deep-dive-discussion

[waxen surge]

in stage 3

and it went pretty smoothly

[scarlet oar]

for me it went about as smooth as iceskating for the first two stages
and it crashed just as hard in the third stage as tripping while iceskating

no detonators needed, all you need dumb areas and an unprepared bronze driller

[waxen surge]

Our bronze driller did fine

[ebon anchor]

ye EDD was really easy this week

got it done in like 40mins or something

ended up with 2 gunners and with so much nitra we just chained shields at the end lol

think we had about 450 or 500 or something

[waxen surge]

yeah, we had 6 resupplies at the ommoran lol

[scarlet oar]

(I was the solo bronze driller, to clarify)

[waxen surge]

and we used them liberally during the other 2

[scarlet oar]

so I'm unsure on if I should actually use my tiny dwarf brain and use something else for this weeks EDD,

or if bashing my head against the wall like last week will eventually work

bashing my head against a wall and wait for it to break sounds way more fun

I'll do that tomorrow though, for now I'll do the other weekly stuff

[fierce stirrup]

South West. North East is to head back to spawn

[ivory marten]

Which Dread is in the Western egg.

Twins or Guard?

[fierce stirrup]

You don't like it to be a surprise? More fun that way. You can see the first stage and only the first b4 you start

[icy river]

Yep it was very edd

[kind field]

the surprise is what makes edd fun

you can bring a build that absolutely sucks balls for some type of warning and when you make it work its great

[fierce stirrup]

Yep

And yep

[ivory marten]

Fuck it, I'll find out myself.

TWINS

FUCK

[fierce stirrup]

Shoot em in the face!

[kind field]

i havent played this week's edd but i manage to not get spoiled by this chat because dementia

👍

[scarlet oar]

and in the arse once the armor is gone!

[fierce stirrup]

You may or may not be able to break the armor as easy depending on the build you bring. In solo atleast they will be facing you majority of the time

[fathom hound]

How we looking this week guys?

[fierce stirrup]

Sexy as always

[fathom hound]

Anymore bullshit stage 2s?

[fierce stirrup]

As for how you are looking Carl.....well.....

[ivory marten]

They're dead.

Time for the Guard.

[scarlet oar]

nah, stage 3 is the bullshit stage for this week (in the EDD at least)

[fathom hound]

Ah, what's it look like?

[fierce stirrup]

I kinda like the hard one to be at the end. Only because if it's stage 1, then the rest if the dive feels too EZ

[scarlet oar]

escort duty, mules, shield disruption

[fierce stirrup]

N I don't like quitting or failing stage 3 just cuz it's a cosmetic(like some people). Karl would not approve

[scarlet oar]

on top of the usual 5.5 haz on stage 3

[fathom hound]

Ah fuck

Damn near worst case for a driller

At least it's not elim secondary

[scarlet oar]

I like both hard stage 2's and hard stage 3's
hard stage 2 to make stage 3 feel like a victory lap
and hard stage 3 because you get the blank and the weapon overclock more easily

I mean I have the blank and weapon overclock of the EDD, so I can try it as the last thing after the usual weekly stuff

to at least try to get the cosmetic

[scarlet oar]

can confirm, can't do shit against the "oops! all glyphid menace" spawnpool I got

at least I didn't get a single detonator

[fierce stirrup]

That's what I'm saying. That is leaf lover way of thinking, and Karl would not approve. Then again Karl runs haz100

[ivory marten]

Dreads dead!

Time to go deeper.

[fierce stirrup]

Kinky

Good luck :)

[fathom hound]

I just want my driller cosmetics and victory moves.

[scarlet oar]

ha
you fool
you shall get that ugly "crescent moon" moustache for scout or something

because management hates you and everyone else

[ivory marten]

Phase 2 engaged.

Liquid Morkite and another box.

I'm really glad I had that Rocky Mountain earlier.

[fathom hound]

I mean at least I can get my crafting level up.

Which means maybe more driller stuff

[next vessel]

the 3rd edd is cosmetic reward only right?

[ivory marten]

I've just been listening to my Deep Dive playlist, which is mainly Payday 2 music.

Because why not

And I think it's legitimately putting me in the headspace to just fight through all of these damned bugs.

[jolly hazel]

mod the music in

I think there might be a payday mod

[ivory marten]

Yeah I don't think there's a mod that adds GAS GAS GAS to the game.

[inner linden]

failed the EDD on the final drilling phase of the final mission 😔

[ivory marten]

oof.

[inner linden]

people went for rezzes and the beamers + mactera tri jaws annihilated the dozer lmao

wish they'd give extra respawn health on shield disrupt missions

people kept getting chain killed

[viral kayak]

it was horror, took my team about an hour to find the lil bit left over

[ebon anchor]

if you can get to beamer phase with 2 parts remaining you basically already won

[inner linden]

we had like, one and a half

it got destroyed with like, 10-20 seconds left

very painful

[ebon anchor]

damn, sounds close

[inner linden]

yeah the final couple waves spawned 5 million trijaws and they melted the last bit of the dozer while people were rezzing

[ebon anchor]

I have experienced a couple of clutch escort Haz 5 by just leaving dotty by herself due to bulk or overwhelming spawns snowballing from team mates dying and ended up winning

but you need someone to sit there and spam repair

[ivory marten]

You guys wanna know what's currently the final song on my deep dive playlist?

[ebon anchor]

Dotty gets some invul phase after repairing to 100%

think like 2 seconds or somethin

[inner linden]

standing on the top to repair was too risky unless gunner had his shield up because as I said, a lot of trijaws

think there was a menace there too lol

[ebon anchor]

Sometimes it do be like that

team mates dying during drilling phase can snowball the amount of hordes

cos everyone trying to rezz each other while the enemies keep coming

[ivory marten]

TIME TO GET OUT OF HERE.

[inner linden]

yuppp, people kept getting chainkilled thanks to shield disrupt (especially me lul)

[ivory marten]

Mission Complete!

[merry lagoon]

Oh god escort duty on edd stage 3

not good

[inner linden]

can confirm

[fathom hound]

Yeah, it'll be at least 2 tries for me.

Unless I get lucky

[merry lagoon]

so glad its stage 3

[scarlet oar]

less go, I got big bertha from the DD this week

oh of course it crashed right after

management just doesn't want me to get the cosmetics from the deep dives this week, huh

[merry lagoon]

Zero fucks given about cosmetic cores

[fathom hound]

I want cosmetic cores

[scarlet oar]

don't really care about the cosmetics, I just want the deep dives finished

[surreal inlet]

the only cosmetic core i actually want is dark desent
so ill try for them but its eh if i dont get them

theres probably some others that look really cool too but that one kinda stands out to me

[jolly hazel]

trusty rusty looks great too

[dull night]

I wish dark descent was actually darker.

[jolly hazel]

the purple is a nice color

have to get dark future for any kind of black

[split dome]

this was the easiest elite deep dive ever wtf

[cyan fog]

good to hear, cause last weeks was rather bootycheeks

[echo storm]

last week's was the right amount of intense

[fathom hound]

Stage 3 for drillers will be annoying

[undone parrot]

Thing about the end of the EDD is that you can liberally use all your saved nitra

[hexed crystal]

Why

[fathom hound]

Escort is an annoying mission for driller

[glossy walrus]

oh hadn't heard about this one, how do you trigger this?

[jolly hazel]

how? especially sticky flame trivializes it imo

[echo storm]

love me sticky flames on escort

i feel so cool spamming sticky flames in the tunnel

[verbal sky]

man that last stage of the EDD tho

[cyan fog]

just lost there, very tough

[scarlet ravine]

aw yeah, EDD first try

[cyan fog]

got it second try, helps to have a good gunner!

escort can still eat my shorts

[trim flame]

what are the deep dive missions for this week?

[wraith shard]

check the pinned messages

[trim flame]

thank you very much

[wraith shard]

no problem

[frosty delta]

What’s the EDD stages this week I can’t seem to find it?

[wraith shard]

pinned messages

[frosty delta]

Thanks

[summer forge]

actually amazing EDD for solo

only hard part was killing menaces on doretta (and i had to give up one armor plating on rocks stage)

really easy eggs on first stage and good aquarqs placements on second

for bosco

[violet warren]

EDD third stage seemed like it would have been hell but my cryo driller build meant that we didn't even have to use the 4 resupplies we dropped

We did lose a plate during the refuel, probably because we were doing MULEs at the same time and almost got overwhelmed by MULE waves

[summer forge]

i did mules after doretta cause for solo it would take too long

managed to start dotty moving with swarm spawn so saved some time

[violet warren]

Yeah that would be a viable strategy I guess

[summer forge]

also 3 chunks of oil shale near doretta are just enough to fuel 2 canisters in solo

[violet warren]

Predrilling for the MULEs would have worked too but I don't like predrilling unless there's an actual threat to get rid of up ahead

Do canisters scale with team size?

[summer forge]

I think they do

at least it feels like it

it certainly feels like in solo you fuel faster

not faster - more efficiently

so you have to use less shale in total as well

[past drum]

this edd took 35 minutes and it was supposed to be harder than the last few weeks

[sly vapor]

who said that

[past drum]

Me

[glossy walrus]

a 5.5 escort looked potentially annoying, but it turned out to be pretty easy, at least on 2p

[past drum]

yea

[fathom hound]

Last week was the hard one

Just due to terrain gen

Absolute ass biome and terrain gen last week.

This week looks alot better

[queen patrol]

thats a lot of black boxes..

[neat hearth]

Uranium fever would've been a funny name. But seriously this area is awful.

[placid belfry]

naw just grab the biome damage reduction perk (idr the name) and you should be fine

[queen patrol]

radioactive praetorians :(

[restive trout]

Always nice to beat the EDD under 45 minutes. But I had the A-Team to back me up.

[neat hearth]

Completely forgot about that.

What's gunner running this week?

[restive trout]

What do you mean? Gunner running this week?

[neat hearth]

Like the recommended load out for this one?

[restive trout]

Just run with something your are comfortable with and works.

I dont built for specific missions or biomes.

Aside from maybe a fire builts over a cryo built against Rival Techs.

But bottomline is that shooting bugs doesnt change much regardless where you are.

[neat hearth]

How bad is the elite deep dive?

I've yet to do it and I love crystal caverns.

[restive trout]

Its okay. I just did it. Last stage is a bit rough from the set up. But overall the terrain is okay. As long as you have a Gunner or Driller.

*Gunner and Driller

Stage 1 got lots of flyers. So a Driller with cryo works wonders.

[neat hearth]

I only run those two

[restive trout]

Stage 2 was rather relaxing overall.

And stage 3 was kinda tough. We predrilled to the first Dozer stop and cleared everything.

And plenty nitra to go around.

[tulip idol]

haven't rested myself but saw a reddit post that says it keeps it, although it's now deleted for some reason 👀
I also shared my knowledge on this modification and got downvoted lol

[torpid solar]

I think they've patched that bug.

[tulip idol]

there were no patches though

at least for the part I know

[tulip idol]

Yep, I just checked:

1. Triple-Tech: if you do more than one shot resistance stays.
2. All: if you run out of ammo and press fire again resistance stays.
3. Mechanic: triggers on pressing Fire button and it doesn't matter if the gun is charging or reloading so you can keep resistance constantly and only release Fire button to shoot for brief moments.

[fresh turtle]

Last stage being shield disruption and escort honestly doesnt matter much to me because you're probably gonna have lots of resupplies by that point and also if you really want you can dig ahead and just get all the nitra

[restive trout]

I just dont like escort missions at all. And shield disrupt is in my opinion the most dangerous modifier.

[fathom hound]

FUCK ESCORT MISSIONS

That was the more stressful doing solo driller than all of last week put together

[fresh turtle]

You use sticky fuel I thought you'd like them

[fathom hound]

I HATE escort missions

The end phase is why

Drilling into the heartstone

[fresh turtle]

Ah yeah the rocks suck

[fathom hound]

I barely made it

as in both treads were gone by the time I got to the core and I barely kept the body alive

First 2 stages though? 🤌

Had all the nitra I needed

dumped 3 resupply pods before drilling

and thank fuck I did

[fathom hound]

Exaggerated here just due to frustration. Still Doretta took alot of damage by the end.

[fresh turtle]

Oh yeah is the 3rd stage 1 or 2 stops

[restive trout]

Did you carry Dotti back to the Droppod?

[fathom hound]

Just the turret

It was all that could be managed

I'll attach her to Molly so she can mine with me

[lusty shuttle]

Deep dive was way easier this time.

[fathom hound]

Not for solo driller

Okay, now that I'm calmed down, real EDD review time.

Stage 1: Annoying but manageable once I got past the initial mactera swarm.
Stage 2: An actual fucking dream despite eggs being an objective, zero issue.
Stage 3: Getting to the heartstone was easy, holding fucking sucked. Used 3 resupply pods worth of ammo and thank fuck the other stages had plenty of nitra. Lost 1 tread entirely, other tread was down below 25% and the body was around 50% by the time the heartstone was freed. Couldn't do shit about the rocks.

Overall? Not too bad if you at least duo, if you solo then it can be rough depending on your class and build.

[jolly hazel]

stage 3 swarm size modifier was fucking cranked with 4 people

stage 2 cave was ez pz

stage 1 was pretty laughable, I think less than 200 total enemies spawned

stage 3 for the love of god do not walk near both the mules

had about 3 minutes straight of bugs spawning due to swarm during refuel

[fathom hound]

Oof

[tacit jungle]

every class except scoot has an incredibly ammo efficient build, but sometimes people forget to bring it

[fathom hound]

I was doing sticky fuel driller solo

[tacit jungle]

yeah it's turret em discharge, ntp noob cannon, sticky poop or fire

[ebon anchor]

nitra is super generous this edd so just spam it all on stage 3 lol

[fathom hound]

That's exactly what I did

Got to the heartstone area

YOU GET A RESUPPLY POD!
YOU GET A RESUPPLY POD!
YOU ALL GET RESUPPLY PODS!

[glossy walrus]

that's all that's needed? wow

we managed to refuel fast enough to dodge a swarm using the 2 clusters near dotty and then another a bit away (2p)

lost a tread to the end of phase 2 when too many rocks got through (ntp gunner + cryo driller), but other than that was pretty clean

[tulip idol]

ntp gunner + cryo driller
😄

damn why people do this, I asked my random lvl500 gunner not to but he's just super reliant on this build

I know great combos to NTP as well, but I didn't have pre-built anti-mactera flamer option atm and my freeze actually solved so many praets and opps for us (which gunner couldn't kill cuz ntp+elephants, engi cuz nukes and low dps stubby, scout cuz lowlvl gk2-boomstick)

[bronze zinc]

help the Elite Pretorians are being a pain how do I deal with them (playing with a Driller, also I’m Scout)

[fathom hound]

what build for driller?

[bronze zinc]

Flamethrower and Collete, tho he forgot the upgrades to it 💀

[fathom hound]

Sticky or direct?

[bronze zinc]

Also I’m using DRAK with an overheat build with throw boom stick

[bronze zinc]

direct

[fathom hound]

Okay, in that case use the flamer to build heat. Then power bonk the butt

[bronze zinc]

what abt Scout? Should I use M1000 instead of DRAK?

[potent jewel]

Can you call a resupply under the heartstone

[bright girder]

Can't you not dig around it?

[surreal inlet]

hows the cave gen for this week's EDD?

[dawn zealot]

Crystalline caverns, so there's tight corridors with a few blocked ones
Theres one blocked by an objective

[fathom hound]

Not as bad as last week though

[dawn zealot]

Definitely not

Last mission of this edd is brutal, but most of last weeks was brutal

[dim wigeon]

EDD stage 1 is kinda....short

[glossy walrus]

I saw your rant on it earlier, but it doesn't really change that ntp is the lazy man's crutch, and many are gonna rely on that crutch, myself included. I'm all about that lazy when doing edd

damage specced ntp isn't even that bad at frozen targets even if gunner has much better

I run cm brt so can shred frozen stuff fine, does nicely on nonfrozen praets too

elephants sound like they should've been able to do similarly for big stuff frozen or not?

[still tinsel]

that was almost unreadable

[candid cypress]

And general tips from some grayer beards than my own on how to improve to make that jump from haz 5’s to Elite deep dives? Had trouble last week and just about to try this weeks

[severe tusk]

EDDs are HAZ 4.5/5/5.5, so it's basically just HAZ 5 three missions in a row. Last week's EDD was one of the harder ones in recent memory so, if you normally handle HAZ 5 missions fine, most EDDs shouldn't be a problem for you.

I'm not really sure what tips to offer, as I do not know your experience level, but generally I notice otherwise competent newer players go down a lot due to lack of movement and not finding good, open terrain to fight in during combat (sometimes you need to terraform bad terrain to increase your odds of winning via pickaxing, drilling, C4, and engi platforms over trenches, ledges, and pits). Just strafing/backpedaling while also constantly jumping during fights to avoid being hit by both melee and ranged enemies also increases your survivability a lot.

[glossy walrus]

if you can clear haz5s consistently, it shouldn't be too bad to go to edds. like was said, last week's was pretty rough

this week's is much easier in comparison

[native bridge]

After ive started doing deep dives solo its been alot easier and i always have tons of nitra

Ntp needs a nerf atleast to 25% chance

And it would still be great

[blazing current]

Kinda boring when I have to use NTP in deep dives

[candid cypress]

What is ntp?

[potent vector]

neurotoxin payload

overclock for gunner's autocannon

[hollow citrus]

aka one of the best swarm clear weapons in the game. almost too good imo.

[candid cypress]

I do like the auto cannon, maybe I should try for more gunner oc’s

[potent vector]

it's really good, I remember when I got it and I was screaming in chat "YESSSS"

some players consider it braindead

[hollow citrus]

but yeah, if you have not too many problems in haz 5 EDDs should be doable. having a good team that communicates and having good game sense will help too.

[stone fractal]

What level is this weeks?

[potent vector]

huh?

DD's and EDD's always have the same preset of hazard level

the difficulty is mostly from the terrain, objective mix, spawnpool and modifiers/mutators

[stone fractal]

Ik but they vary in difficulty

Like in Steam last weeks DD was marked as a 3.5

[hollow citrus]

I've heard that the amount of mobs passively spawning and during swarms etc. is also determined with the map seed, so there are cases where the EDDs are full of enemies and others where its comparatively light. If you're getting overwhelmed during a particular week's EDD it could just be bad luck for the roll for that week

officially, DDs are 3, 3.5 and 3.5. EDDs are 4.5, 5 and 5.5

but within each difficulty level there can be a lot of variation as well

[rare nexus]

wait there is a .5 difficulty

[hollow citrus]

yeah it's a DD exclusive difficulty

[rare nexus]

huh

ive never done a deep dive

what the difference between a deep dive and normal

[torn verge]

three missions in a row, nitra carries over between missions, secondary objectives are main objectives but fewer and must be completed to proceed
e.g. objective 1: gather 7 aquarks, objective 2: gather 2 alien eggs

[rare nexus]

i see

[hollow citrus]

4.5 — DD Haz 4.5 "12.5% -> 100-200 75% -> 300-400 12.5% -> 400-500"
5 — Lethal "12.5% -> 100-200 75% -> 300-400 12.5% -> 400-500"
5.5 — DD Haz 5.5 "33% -> 100-200 66% -> 250-350

datamined values for swarm sizes, even within haz 5 swarms can range from 100-500. pretty big difference dependent on RNG.

[rare nexus]

so it can range from 100 enemies to 500 enemies

[hollow citrus]

err... these are points that the game director spends to spawn enemies. so more points usually means more enemies or tougher enemies.

[rare nexus]

ooh

[hollow citrus]

but you won't get 500 grunts lol

[rare nexus]

that would be terrible

should i try DD

[summer forge]

those 500 points mostly spent on turning grunts into slashers and guards
also much bigger chances for special enemy per wave or several of them like warden/spooder

[stone fractal]

Warden can be funny with pheromone

[round beacon]

Also there are no random events and no minerals except gold and nitra veins. And no beer plants too.

[stone fractal]

Everything just attacks it

Yeah, it’s very plain

No events/collectibles

[summer forge]

BUT, huuli hoarders can spawn in

[round beacon]

Oh, yeah! Met once like two in one dive.

Don't remember though if they still had minerals.

[scarlet oar]

They do

They're literally your only source of crafting materials in a deep dive

[rare nexus]

does anyone want to do a DD

[summer forge]

they do, i remember a really fast deep dive that i speedran for 2 hoarders

several times

[boreal moss]

EDD IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH 2 PEOPLE

[round beacon]

Wait, so their spawn is also determined by seed and if they are in a dive, they will spawn always until the dive updates?

[summer forge]

Yep

[dull nexus]

Dude during the EDD stage 3, at one point literally 50 grunts spawned immediately

[summer forge]

but unless there are 2, its not good idea to farm them

[dull nexus]

That was mind blowing

[glossy walrus]

haz5 pure grunt waves are fun, very satisfying to aoe them all at once

[lost jungle]

not using m1k

💀

[tall meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/997412624436301824/20220715001826_1.jpg?width=1155&height=650

good fun EDD

[solemn vine]

i was very surprised by how smooth the EDD went this week. pretty easy going

only iffy part was predrilling the rooms on stage 3. otherwise pretty fun

[tall meadow]

never predrilling

[solemn vine]

normally dont, but escort at the same time as salvage would've been a lot harder

[tall meadow]

that fun

[robust mirage]

whats the current EDD?

[tall meadow]

Refer to this channel pinned messages

Updated every week

[robust mirage]

alr thanks

[tall meadow]

Np

[wanton knot]

that edd was hell, our team of 3 without a driller wiped on stage 3

pretty confident we could do it next time but not having a driller really hurt lmao

[cyan fog]

stage three is no joke, defending doretta can be hell

it's the second phase w meteors that makes or breaks the run imo

[unkempt saffron]

stage 3 has plenty of nitra for an escort mission, but the spawns are damning

[wanton knot]

we made it past meteors but we had already lost 2 parts

[cyan fog]

same, lost most of our armor first attempt from mainly meteors then it just was all downhill

second run was a lot smoother with a solid gunner keeping the laser towers down and actually shooting the meteors lol

[solemn vine]

i ran engi on my attempt and made a ceiling. we ignored the meatballs meteors

[fathom hound]

I managed solo so it's possible

It sucks

But it's possible

[tired sand]

does that actually work

because i might just start doing that

[wraith shard]

yes

[wise pagoda]

You have to place them at the start of the phase

[tired sand]

because the shockwave breaks them right

[wise pagoda]

Yupp

[solemn vine]

yeah, the plats get detroyed by the explosion between phases by the shockwave

[tired sand]

that's cool to know though

[solemn vine]

i normally build a bridge from the tunnel we came through, then build out over dotty on the phase

[cyan fog]

first time it wasnt placed correctly i believe so they went right through

second time was gr8

[tulip idol]

Since you saw it, you might've also seen me saying that my Gunner was not assisting much with Elephant Rounds - only in obvious marked low hp cases, I do play with Elephant Rounds myself in another setup and I feel like I do a lot more with 'em. Anyways, he was lacking DpS in both theory and practice and I had been the only consistent single target destroyer while I had axes to follow up. Tried to save some axes time to time leaving praet half hp - Gunner didn't do anything so I had to Drill-PA near other enemies instead.

[tired sand]

i see

[tulip idol]

Also there's stronger alternative to NTP which doesn't make bugs run away from cryo cannon and that also can directly stun-shut targets. I use that instead when I want guaranteed result with lower effort. Also does good dmg to single target(s) when stacked & stuns right away allowing for easy team fire follow up.

[safe shale]

That stage 3 of EDD is bullshit. Menaces, Macteras, Acid Spitters with doretta and no shield. In solo it's barely manageable, if not.

[tulip idol]

Not solo then, even bad team is better.

[latent gazelle]

that can be debatable unfortunately

[tulip idol]

Well, I've played with all sorts of random players in my playtime, haven't been annoyed once on my memory with low level ones. I can be more amazed on how similar can hundreds of lvls be to low level players.

I can lose cause of sudden no-nitra map (but I know the biomes still so it's my fault not taking ammo efficient builds there).

Or cause of my own mistake. But cause of players? Doubtfully so.

[wise pagoda]

My biggest flaw in this game is that I have done about 90% of it either solo or with my scout friend

no experience with drillers or gunners on my team lol

[viscid idol]

Is there 1 or 2 refueling stops in EDD?

[wanton knot]

yeah when i do a second run i'm bringing a full team. first stage was annoying with cavegen and a driller would help with the ridiculous amount of bugs everywhere

my scout and gunner were fine, fair share of mistakes all around though

i definitely died to fall damage twice

[vale barn]

hmm should have posted this here https://youtu.be/zBuZQ4FjQAU

[surreal lynx]

how plenty is nitra this week for dd/edd?

[sly vapor]

a lot for edd phase 3, youll need it

dd phase 2 is the easiest one in history

[surreal lynx]

i heard someone suggest to predrill edd phase 3, why tho?

[solemn vine]

so you dont have to do mules at the same time as protecting dorretta

[summer forge]

Solo EDD was piece of cake for my flamethrower driller

Just do the mules after the doretta, you can start the ommoron without second objective done

[echo storm]

edd stage 3 was pretty easy if u got enough nitra

we had 4 resups at the stone

with 2 spare

lol

[unkempt saffron]

no need, both mules are at the mid point refuelling cave

also, you dont wanna waste time predrilling for stage 3 as swarms can overwhelm at times, name of the game is to be quick in this edd, mainly for stage 2 and 3

[torpid solar]

Our 4 dwarf team predrilled most of the way and didn’t have any issue with swarms. We even still had over 500 nitra left by the time we started the drilldozer 🤷‍♂️

[old widget]

escort does spawn timed waves, but they're generally small single waves, and never big MC-announced timed swarms

so a bit less punishing to take your time than some primaries

[burnt sandal]

escort has waves, but only when the drilldozer is in the refuel phase, and those are announced by MC

[old widget]

ah, true, that's fair, forgot that detail. so don't dawdle at the refuel phase

but still doesn't really apply to predrilling

unless you're really dumb at predrilling 🙂

[echo storm]

this edd was pretty fast

only took 33 minutes

[jolly hazel]

I wish I knew the specifics for those refueling waves

so I knew exactly how long we have until its party time

its probably rng like haz 5 swarms though

33 minutes with time tax black box and escort? nice

[fathom hound]

Barely

Tbh the rocks are the bigger problem on stage 3

If you don't have an answer for them solo then say goodbye to the run

I managed with explosive reload and bosco

[glossy walrus]

I was getting the impression that it was very much a skill issue involved yes, good to see confirmation

ntp is ntp, it has its reputation for good reason and there's not really much that can be done about how much people will crutch on it, other options or not

then again, you sound like you intentionally play with randos to make runs more interesting, so the roll of the rando dice is always fun

we predrilled the first two rooms. the driller originally wasn't planning to, saying it'd be fiiine, but then he saw the big drop of the first room from the scanner and went ehhhh maybe I'll predrill a bit

it did end up being fine because dotty went straight through the rock to the bottom part instead of the top, but she's def done the latter before, so couldn't trust that

the 2nd room was out of direct scanner range, but the 'dotty always goes at angle 220' tip really helped with that

[humble zinc]

Wait what, is this a thing?

I once drilled like, 5 different holes until I actually found the next cave :^)

[glossy walrus]

was my first time actually making use of it since I tend to not predrill much anymore, but yeah it worked out wonderfully

the driller was shocked when the room came into scanner range on the first try

[old widget]

Yep, the caves are always aligned on the same compass heading in escort cavegen. I’ve always used 210 vs 220 but principle is the same

It’s aligned with the direction dotty is facing in the drop cage

[hoary cove]

even better tip, the next room is always southwest

[tulip idol]

I think I only pre-drill to wait up for randoms to join

there's just literally no reason to do it in full team

[drowsy hollow]

how many refueling stops are there in phase 3?

edd

[hasty hamlet]

@drowsy hollow one

[drowsy hollow]

alright thanks

[grave marsh]

Dose the bet-c auto wake up when the hearthstone fight beings if you haven't already done it

[burnt sandal]

all escort are now only 1 stop in DD and EDD

[glossy walrus]

the path is aligned with dotty, but back when I was greener and predrilled more, it wasn't unusual to miss in later rooms as being off by a little bit meant it was really easy to completely miss when that far out and trying to just eyeball it from the scanner

having a precise number to reference like 220 really does wonders for accuracy

[summer forge]

all objectives are generally easier in deep dives, but you have 2 main objectives to fulfill

BETC cant spawn in deep dives

as long as i remember

or

maybe it can

but it wasnt in EDD for me, thats for sure

i seriously cant remember seeing betsy once in deep dive

[scarlet shoal]

Bet-C was in last weeks EDD's 1st stage but then again I still don't know if Xbox and Steam versions share the same layout/configurations

Wasn't as useful as I thought it'd be for dealing with Dreadnaught twins but hey its better than nothing

[old widget]

BET-C can definitely spawn in dives, though the RNG is weird and can be influenced by player count. Sometimes on a given dive, 2p will see her but 3p or 4p won’t (or vice versa)

[summer forge]

player count def messes up breeders spawns as far as i remember

but i remember hoarders still spawning on same stages

i thought that betc/korlor/crassus follow same mechanics

[scarlet shoal]

yeah either the placement is somewhere else or they're straight up not in the map even though its EDD where the map layout is the exact same

[proper timber]

QRF

GAAAAAH

WHAT THE HELL

I WAS ON THE LAST STAGE OF THE EDD AND I GOT KICKED

I DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRING

I WAS LITERALLY REVIEWING THE ENGIE

WTF

IM SO MAD

I DODNT EVEN GET ANY OF THE XP

THATS THE WHOLE REASON I WAS DOING IT

GAAAAAAAAH

I just don’t understand why I got kicked

[summer forge]

kicked or lobby crashed?

it could be that host just dced

[proper timber]

That might be what happened

It said “you have been kicked” though so I don’t think so

[hardy oar]

@gray skiff Sorry about that, I lagged out and Steam isn't letting me rejoin ☹️

[gray skiff]

Ah, that's okay! I got dropped out as well. We did pretty darn well and we had that though.

[still tinsel]

i just promoted my first character, and i'm wondering how these work. I know materials don't generate, and that it's about hazard 3, but not much else. what's up with the whole stages thing? what makes them differ from a normal mission

[surreal inlet]

essentially, its 3 stages in a row, but:
you have to do both primary and secondary
the secondary is instead replaced by a smaller version of a primary (take eggs, if its a secondary there will only be 2 eggs)
nitra, ammo, health and gold are carried over

have i got that right?

[still tinsel]

interesting

so 3 missions back to back

and a bit harder

that's certainly interesting. is resource management a nightmare in these?

[surreal inlet]

fir deep dives, the hazard scale goes
3 , 3.5 , 3.5
and the elite deep dive, the scaling is
4.5 , 5 , 5.5

[still tinsel]

eek for that elite one

[surreal inlet]

resourse management can be awful with nitra scarce maps, but its generally a non-issue

[still tinsel]

alrighty

[surreal inlet]

also, the deep dive has the same seed every time you attempt it, so that nitra will be in the same place every time

[still tinsel]

it's good if i just pop into one then? i'm going to assume that there's no barriers or anything for it

[surreal inlet]

the barrier is promotion
you cant do a deep dive with an unpromoted dwarf

[still tinsel]

gotcha

also would iron will be bad? would it only have 1 use or 3

[surreal inlet]

uses referesh every stage

so you'll have 1 iron will use for each stage

[still tinsel]

gotcha

alright thanks mate

[surreal inlet]

no problem!

[unkempt lantern]

DD is ez, just maybe take some time to clear the big room with all the eggs so you have sightlines. Suprizingly made it through the first two stages of the EDD, ended with the first refuel in stage 3. IW clutched but party went back down again

[unkempt lantern]

yeah

[still tinsel]

did my first dd, went well

everyone else seemed to know what they were doing

[tired kindle]

Do you get rewards for every deep dive?

[tall meadow]

Once you complete this week deep dive, you won’t get anymore cores from it

Will wait for next reset to get another 3

[grave mantle]

"Completing the same variant Deep Dive a second time, in the same week, will not grant additional Matrix Cores, but will still give any XP, Credits and minerals found inside the dive."

[unkempt lantern]

helped a greenbeard get the sub 45 achievement. Made it in 35 :)

probably could have done sub 30 if we really tried

[still tinsel]

funky.

[fallow niche]

oh hey i forgot to do the deep dives

stage 3 escort duty shield disruption

aaaaaaaaa

[bleak wharf]

idk could be worse possibly

[fallow niche]

it could always be worse

[bleak wharf]

true

[crisp lance]

What are matrix cores

[bleak wharf]

u use them for overclocks or cosmetics

[crisp lance]

When do overclocks unlock

After a promotion?

[bleak wharf]

ye

then get a upgrade of a weapon in each tier

[sterile basin]

is this week's EDD especially hard or nah? thinking about doing it for the first time

[bleak wharf]

only the last stage is hard

[sterile basin]

I've been playing h5, I need to just buck up and play it haha

you get rewards for both the DD and the EDD?

[bleak wharf]

ye

1 blank core 1 overclock 1 cosmetic

for each

[sterile basin]

well dang, I simply must be doing these

[bleak wharf]

then u get like 10+k exp and credits

[bright finch]

I was having a pretty fantastic DD, team working together well, everything going smoothy. We were all playing like pros, honestly.

Then the driller dropped out.

Then the engie dropped out, and it was just me and the scout.

I was still playing incredibly though, it was like I couldn't get hit!

[fallow niche]

last stage isn't so bad actually, i guess, since you should have a nice nitra stockpile by then and shouldnt have to worry about having enough for the drilling phase

a lone saving grace

[bright finch]

Turns out, I couldn't. Scout was using a modded client.

I didn't wanna waste the entire 35 mins, so I kept going, just ignoring bugs and doing the objectives.

I told the guy it was scummy though.

He said, "free to leave, i'll play my way you play yours"

I told him that this was more like him deciding how everyone else with him is going to play without warning them, and he was quiet the rest of the time.

I dunno, just wanted to vent a bit. The whole experience soured what was supposed to be a fun end-of-night activity.

Their name was "Rogueone" if it matters.

[still tinsel]

uncool scout. you already invested the time, it's a little late to just back out.
having 2 people dip is a pretty big loss on its own: but then, to top it off, having your last teammate cheat just isn't fun.

really the whole "free to leave, i play my way you play yours" thing is pretty narcissistic as well

[bright finch]

They probably left because they realized sooner than me that we were all invicincible, and I respect 'em for it. Turns out I was being a little arrogant in thinking that I was playing that well. 😅

Didn't honestly know this was able to happen though, so didn't know to watch out for it.

[still tinsel]

Probably, but there's nothing wrong in thinking that. we all have our moments, but thinking you're having one and then finding out that it's someone else's crutch is a bit crushing

i mean, if you're completely engrossed in the game then believing that you're doing that well isn't exactly a stretch: critical thinking isn't really in place when you're just trying to survive

it's probably more a matter of when each teammate realized that it was happening due to some clearly undodgeable event, e.g an explosion nearby or some gryphids behind em

[bright finch]

Yeah, I saw the engie take a hiveguard fireball to the face, and in retrospect was impressed how little damage it did when I glanced at their health.

"None" being the actual answer.

Ah well. I'll get a good night's sleep, and try out the EDD tomorrow. R&S, man.

[still tinsel]

funky, but one anomaly isn't enough to completely raise suspicion in that. honestly you just got the short end of the stick with that scout being on your team. R&S brother! sleep well

[fossil schooner]

hows the dd and edd this week?

stage three of the edd sounds tough

[bleak wharf]

the only hard bit

the dd and the rest of the edd is pretty easy

[fossil schooner]

sounds good

ive only done one edd ever so wish me luck

[timid matrix]

This week is brought to you by Black Box, so we have 4 of them in the deep dives

[dull nexus]

The black box contains footage of Morbius 2

That’s why mission control wants it so much

[unique ore]

how bad are the pipes in the dd?

without a driller

[hasty hamlet]

not bad at all really

[swift inlet]

Easiest deep dive for awhile

[potent vector]

don't need driller at all. I was driller and was busy mining nitra and stuff. the other teammates laid out the pipes before I was finished.

[native bridge]

Regular deep dives are too easy unless they get crap map gen and objectives

[glossy walrus]

the refinery in dd is probably the easiest refinery I've seen in a pretty long while, dd or not

my driller friend laid the pipes and he said he didn't have to drill anything

[unkempt lantern]

Objectives in the last couple DD’s have been boring. Lots of repeats.

[unkempt saffron]

this dd with 3 black boxes
ya dont say

[gloomy dome]

Dd pump mission is a joke lol. Funny how easy it is considering my last pump missions

[terse delta]

are we talking dd or edd

[hollow citrus]

DD refinery maps are usually really small

[analog blaze]

WTF is up with mission 3 of the elite dive
we got destroyed from all the macteras, menaces and other horrible stuff during drilldozer

[bleak wharf]

cuz people dont know how to deal with shield disruption

and scout dies to fall damage

😔

its also a genuinely annoying part

[analog blaze]

Hell the dmg wasn't even that bad, we just got pummeled by the sheer amount of things to handle at once

like, a menace, 3 trijaws, 3 macteras and 400 grunts all zerging the drilldozer, downing everyone in secs

[bleak wharf]

i mean u can reserve majority of ur nitra for last part so u can just spam everything without worry

[analog blaze]

We did lol

[bleak wharf]

what were u guys running?

[analog blaze]

Felt like it was a mactera plague all through mission 3

[bleak wharf]

thats just the spawn pools doing their thing

[burnt sandal]

haz 5.5 + no shield, and a ton of bugs. It's a hard time

[jolly hazel]

kill things quicker

also I think standing still will be punished a lot harder on shield disruption due to the mentioned mactera and menace spam

not to mention the praetorians

[analog blaze]

which is great on a mission where you have to defend and repair a giant target for every mactera and menace

[amber walrus]

Reached 2 times stages 3 of the EDD and both times i reached the heartstone, but then i couldn't handle the damage that doretta took from mactaras, menaces and acid bugs.

[analog blaze]

Yeah it's just too much attack spam at once

[bleak wharf]

just 1 guy repairing the other 3 swarm clear

[amber walrus]

Played it solo 😉

[bleak wharf]

idk can bosco repair

[analog blaze]

Liar, you had Bosco

[amber walrus]

Ok sorry, but we two didn't stand a chance in this case. Second time a oppressor hurls me everytime away from repair.

Will try it again, its only too bad that this is so late in the EDD.

[ember terrace]

i got through it by having one person just sitting on dozer constantly healing it

barely worked

got down to 20% hp no armour left

[amber walrus]

Sadly Bosco can't repair Doretta

[bleak wharf]

rip

[ancient cove]

Why nobody is joining my Elite DD lobby 🤔

Are players that biased?

I see some lobbys like "lvl 150+ players" or "+100 lvl"

[jolly hazel]

may have friends only on

[ancient cove]

oh right lol

[blazing current]

or too far from you

[ancient cove]

thanks

[jolly hazel]

np it randomly turns on for me too

[ancient cove]

what is the best secondary for engi on Elite DD?

[bleak wharf]

any

[jolly hazel]

probably varies from week to week but clean sweep pgl/clean oc breach cutter can't go wrong

you can basically get away with anything though

[bleak wharf]

preferably swarm clear

[ancient cove]

trying cutter right now

[hexed crystal]

You're still waiting?

I can join

[ancient cove]

after removing "friends only" all joined 😂

[hexed crystal]

Bru

[bleak wharf]

unbiased opinion

100%

[ancient cove]

it was always off before 😅

[bleak wharf]

ye thats why i said unbiased opinion

it was but im confusing u now

[lyric bridge]

Sticky makes me sad on eliminations

[bleak wharf]

only reason why cryo is worse imo is because if one of u teammates is using anything slightly heat related u just lose ur effectiveness

[lyric bridge]

But to be fair even with 3 outta 4 dorfs the DPS is always more than enough

[lyric bridge]

Just go be effective somewhere else ez 🧠

[bleak wharf]

ye and sometimes ur impact axe and secondary can do enough

[lyric bridge]

Drill the armor off and go deal with mobs, “my work here is done”

[jolly hazel]

driller is best used as dreadnought bait

even better if he had sludge blast because he can do full damage from the front

[ancient cove]

failed last mission

escort with no shield is ass

[weary blaze]

Since dreadnoughts don't get ignited, do they gain heat when weapons are used against em that should give heat?

Or do they only gain heat if they have a cold count from other sources

[wraith shard]

You know what I love

Getting DC’d by internet, literally seconds BEFORE THE EDD WAS OVER

And of course I can’t rejoin hahahah that would make tooooo much sense

[thorn mirage]

Happened to me twice last week, at least the second time it was funny

[wraith shard]

I have no idea why you can’t join late if you were already in the EDD

it’s so stupid

[untold yoke]

Im a newer player who just managed to promote their scout, and im looking for a group to do a deep dive with.

Anyone who'd be down?

[wraith shard]

Eyoooo!

I’d be up, what platform tho

[untold yoke]

Steam

im in pod 7

[untold yoke]

YOu comin?

[ancient cove]

is it worth it to do Deep Dives multiple times? As far i see you get all rewards only once right?

[past sleet]

Yeah, only once

They give decent XP I guess, but even then you'll get more for the same time if you just do missions afaik

[ancient cove]

alright thanks

[lofty parrot]

The DD was really easy. Cave gen is a bit weird on stage 2.
EDD was also fairly simple. The last stage needed some caution but wasn’t too bad

[formal ore]

Hey

[stone fractal]

I was so close to the 45 minute achievement

45:28

[grave mantle]

how is the elite?

[hasty hamlet]

a breeze until stage 3

[timid matrix]

Stage 3 is mean

[thick jetty]

jesus christ shield disrupt with escort and mules??

[timid matrix]

Honestly the mules are nothing. But Haz 5.5 + Shield Disruption + Escort is painful.

Also jokes were made about the number of black boxes in the DD and EDD

[sharp lake]

On PlayStation, joined a random teams’ DD, but it’s making us do last weeks DD.
Still earning cores though

Found it odd given that the DDs should’ve changed 3 days ago

[thick jetty]

got my first solo edd today

[shrewd bane]

edd going fine until the last stage. Don't try that with greenbeards

[robust hearth]

I only run EDD with 90+ dwarves now.

Happy to report we got through on our first try with no major issues 😄

I had a tiny heart attack when I saw the third mission, I misread it as a salvage mission with shield disruption but it was only escort.

[vast solstice]

can anyone help me with the edd im level 72 and have all my dwarfs promoted but am having a very hard time with that last level. failed it twice already

[quaint ferry]

hows the ammo on the edd?

[shrewd bane]

Enough nitra to go around.

[quaint ferry]

so is ammo efficency needed?

[shrewd bane]

Not really, no. Just beat it 2nd try and we had enough for at least 2 drops per stage

As long as everyone is up and killing bugs the 3rd stage is not that bad.

[magic lava]

Do u guys ignore the gold in deep dives ?

[flat orchid]

I do

[hasty hamlet]

that kinda depends per person

i do with randos if ive got time to kill

[magic lava]

Ic

[quaint ferry]

just beat the EDD

Yikes

but we save dorreta

[bleak wharf]

good job

[quaint ferry]

only 3 downs, 8 rezes

[stone fractal]

On the last stage of the EDD we ended up having 240 extra nitra

[edgy tinsel]

anyone else having 400000 bulks in the normal DD this week

[scarlet oar]

starts the drilldozer at the ommoran heartstone
>first armor breaks within seconds

amazing

haz 5.5 escort duty

so much fun

with a spawnpool that looks like the mactera plague warning from stage 1 bugged out and is now stretching to stage 3

oh and now the second armor broke at the start of phase 2, amazing

still pulled through somehow

[safe plank]

Is it just me or are elite deep dives easier with fewer dwarves?

I completed this weeks EDD with a gunner and an engi with excess nitra. could it be the additional resupplies?

there were no downs, but we did have red rock blaster for the daily

[bleak wharf]

cuz their is swarm scaling

and what not

for more players

[safe plank]

i see

[jolly hazel]

same scaling with 1 and 2 players so 2 is technically easiest

[jolly hazel]

I feel like sticky fuel would make it pretty easy besides rock stage

[lament trail]

Sticky is nice in general on escort yeah other than rocks

If solo can potentially make a very large axe rack with some extra resupplies before starting and grab em and use em during rocks phase

[dreamy terrace]

how do we report player?

[burnt sandal]

There's no ingame report system

[dreamy terrace]

then in can troll as fuck ?

sersly what the dev are doing? oh yeah puting new player in every game

[burnt sandal]

?

[bleak wharf]

U just kick them

[novel ore]

french people...

[sacred escarp]

what's dd and edd tasks today?

[tulip idol]

see pins

[severe tusk]

Axes and Thin Containment Field EPC can handle rocks pretty well though.

[jolly hazel]

true

idk if rock spawns are turned down solo

but theres a lot of them on 4 player lol

[torpid solar]

The rocks do scale with the number of players

Same with the laser spires

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[lament field]

yes

yes

[sonic palm]

That last (3rd stage) elite deep dive tough.

[humble zinc]

insert sad cat meme

I finished DD twice to help some friends

But no edd because I succ and PC dies in any haz 4/5 full lobby

[short bluff]

shield disruption hurts, especially on escort duty

the rest of the edd is actually pretty easy, never did an edd until yesterday when i tried it with my friend twice, both times we failed on the last mission

[ornate badger]

I was the same, 2nd week of dd and first try at edd, went smooth enough until we got owned 30 seconds after the dozer started moving

[lament field]

yes

[jolly hazel]

3.5->5.5 is a considerable spike lol

gotta bring lots of AOE

[echo storm]

just keep movin!!!!

[drifting fox]

is it just me or is this deep dive incredibly easy

godlike pump placements

only 4 eggs and 2 dreads

[echo storm]

deep dive is always easy though

[scarlet shoal]

not last weeks tho imo 😏

but yeah this weeks deep dive and EDD haven't been to harsh except for EDD 3rd stage more or less because its Escort and No Shields

[weary blaze]

So true, anything that would take more than 5 times is probably difficult

[echo storm]

so true

[jolly hazel]

5 times for dd

🤨

[hollow seal]

hello, i swear there used to be a channel to squad up for deep dives?

[old widget]

#lfg-steam (or your platform, if not steam)

[weary blaze]

So true

[weary blaze]

I thought it said edd

[echo storm]

there have only been 3 edds I can remember that took more than 1 try
i haven't done that many though

[jagged vessel]

Do you prefer EDD solo or in groups?

I have been having bad experiences in groups. Lag paired with spawns through the roof and drops in fps...

3 weeks ago EDD was a hollow boigh point refine

My computer barely hit 20fps 🥴 so i kept fucking dying

Solo runs infinitely better, but good god are mistakes unforgiving

[blazing current]

I heard 2-man runs are the best

[woven sail]

does normal eep dive give cores?

[ornate badger]

Yes

[old widget]

best typo ever, from now on particularly hard EDDs will be called "Eep dives"

[jolly hazel]

may want to lower settings

I never do them with less than 4 people if I can help it, i like having all bases covered when it comes to roles

[hoary cove]

If u are struggling with an edd, 2 player is the easiest the game gets

[hoary cove]

it’s cus single player to 2 player doesn’t make the game harder at all really

[jagged vessel]

Not an option

Im already at min res textures, no shading, no antialiasing

I cant even read what is written on my laser pointer lol

[jolly hazel]

you can try the particle remover mod

doesnt edit anything other than particles

helped my fps a lot

[hoary cove]

that helps if ur fps is dropping during combat

if ur struggling with just running the game at 30fps you might need a new cpu or smth

[short bluff]

this week's edd showed me a newfound appreciation for neurotoxin payload on the autocannon

[jolly hazel]

boreotoxin is really good yeah

so good in fact that it trivializes the game

more or less

[distant ivy]

It took me 4 tries

insane

[short bluff]

pair it with fear bullets and you can be practically untouchable, save for praetorians (or when the fear chance won't proc)

[distant ivy]

hardest edd I've done in a while

[short bluff]

i tried the edd twice, first 2 stages are cake, last one i failed both times

[distant ivy]

Yeah it's that last one

[short bluff]

like my friend and i were actually about to do the whole thing in 1 run until i got domed by a stray trijaw shot, which made me realize that their needles have splash damage...

splash damage with no falloff, might i add

[magic lava]

how hard is this weeks elite deep dive compared to others ?

i found the shield disruption hard to deal with

[wraith shard]

Hey any suggestions for how to tackle the third edd level?

[magic lava]

the team i worked with drilled ahead before starting dorreta

[wraith shard]

Yeah we did that too but got wrecked by the third cave

[magic lava]

tbh my team was filled with lvl 200-300 dwarfs, they carried my greenbeard ass

[wraith shard]

A suprise swarm happened and an opressor blocked the driller hole entrance so we were split in two and couldn't reach our other teammates

[wraith shard]

True, our team averaged at around 100, but i have confidence i could have done well alongside higher levels too

At least as a gunner, i literally haven't touched any other class

My biggest issue is when the team gets separated and we get cornered

[magic lava]

how often do u use your shield as gunner ?

i mostly use it to either revive other dwarfs in a hairy situation or safe myself from getting cornered

[fresh turtle]

just got around to doing the DD tonight with the strangest group of 3

their engineer existed solely to be a hazard

no joke, calling in resups to take all 4 nodes and then fatboy and platform spam everyone

building mile long pipes in the 2nd stage

i think he finally got the message to fucking cool it after he spent all of second stage dead in a hole after i gunnered him to death and no one revived him

[proven ferry]

jesus chrsit

imagine being so toxic in a coop game

smh

sorry you had to deal with that

[fresh turtle]

The thing is

This was a group of 3

As in the other two people besides me were in a call outside the game

With the engineer

[tacit jungle]

sometimes one of your friends is a dumbass but you keep him around anyway

[blazing current]

Pretty often, since I must be the frontline of my team

But I only deploy them when I am certain to be overrun by bugs and my dash are on cooldown

[fresh turtle]

most of the time i toss it down for revives but sometimes if i have 3 and are due for a resupply i'll toss it onto the pod and let other people resupply safely as well

[sinful remnant]

for this week's EDD, after finishing the first stage Molly gets sucked into the drop pod, which then continues onto stage 2. Molly is with us when we are collecting aquarqs in stage 2. Therefore we should have Molly running around with us on stage 2. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[potent vector]

I mosty use shields just so I don’t have to feel bad when resupplying while still having 4 shields

[severe tusk]

Arguably the best time to use a shield is to prevent a massive amount of damage to your team right before it would happen, such as when you crest a hill and flock of mactera including 6+ trijaws are right there or when you are about to be overrun from multiple directions when you are having to defend an area during an objective. It can also be really good vs. the Hiveguard dread during its exploding rock phase when it is vulnerable to take damage, if you and another teammate or two are behind it, or if it is focused on you, you can easily lock it into place so that your teammates have easy shots at its rear.

[sacred escarp]

anyone up to edd?

[thorn jewel]

I’ve used the shield to divert bulks as well during black box and doretta encounters; not so good at discerning the “about to take big damage” situations on the fly yet like Ryan mentioned

[blazing current]

EDD is not so bad

Tho I did 2 man run

Kinda nice that I didnt have to use NTP

[jolly hazel]

refuse to use boreotoxin

do not conform

[jolly hazel]

10 mactera spawn and you can't kill em all in time or praetorian is about to acid spit on the uplink

I always rather save for guaranteed revives

because those are usually edge cases

[odd comet]

That said, if the shield is used properly you can often prevent needing the revive in the first place

[jolly hazel]

I cannot stop driller from face hugging the dreadnought or scout from dying to swarmers

generally people are going down away from me (because I am killing all the bugs near me)

[empty sinew]

any one up for a deep dive

[obtuse pasture]

that feeling when you go in blind into a solo EDD and everything is going ok and then you see... Shield Disruption + Escort + Mules for stage 3... ewwwwww #deep-dive-speedrunning message

[finite robin]

.

[still tinsel]

almost finished a deep dive, disconnected at the end of stage 2
ag

[warm carbon]

Oh the misery

[obsidian moth]

guys

need 1 teammate

for deep dive

elite

[idle blaze]

Has anyone done the EDD solo on scout this week?

[cursive bough]

any tips for the last stage of the elite dive

me and my friend are on gunner and scout and we just get overwhelmed every time

[lethal chasm]

play as driller

[wicked frigate]

rok an ston

[lethal chasm]

or neurotox on the autocannon, something for big AoE and crowd control

[jolly hazel]

or any kind of autocannon build that isn't big bertha lol

[cursive bough]

im using autocannon with splintering shells

[limpid pond]

What are the both of you using? I did the last stage EDD easy peasy with Gunner + Scout. Gunner probably can just take whatever's decent for Escort (I used Frag Missiles + Lead Spray, I'd recommended against NTP because it's shit for Flying Rocks and you can't make up that loss of firepower in 2P), but Scout needs a build with good DPS (read: Hipster/Drak + Embedded Detonators). Gunner can't kill everything.

...really it'd be Hipster or Dets. I've seen people say Hipster + Dets is good, but it just completely fucks you vs Swarmers and Naedocytes, I don't think it's that good.

Didn't list anything in particular for Drak because it's a Scout primary with actual build diversity 😩

Impact Deflection, Aggressive Venting, Overtuned Particle Accelerator, Thermal Exhaust Feedback... so good!

[cursive bough]

gunner autocannon with splintering + revolver + cluster grenades, scout m1000 + zhukovs + cryo grenades

[limpid pond]

No Scout OCs? 🤔

[cursive bough]

he doesnt have any

[limpid pond]

OCless Scout 💀

I'm sorry for their loss

[cursive bough]

whats embedded detonators?

[limpid pond]

+Embedded Detonators (38 Internal damage per bullet, all dealt at once when reloading)
-6 Damage
-20 Clip Size
-400 Ammo
Basically you mag dump anything and they just evaporate. Oppressors, Breeders, Dreadnaughts, gone.

What exactly are you struggling with? Can't really give recommendations for build changes because I don't know what OCs you have. If I had to guess, maybe Oppressors and the Flying Rocks?

If Scout is really hurting that bad in combat, swap them out for a Cryo Cannon Driller. The missions will be slower, but it'll make problem enemies a non-threat.

[jolly hazel]

rocks are dealt with by scout and secondary, neurotoxin payload is the best crowd control/swarm clear in the game for ammo cost

gunner really can kill everything because his damage is applied at all ranges and anything he isnt killing scout should be

[limpid pond]

NTP honestly doesn't do much that you can't with just Hurricane nowadays

It's two player, there's no need to ammo pinch. Minelayer's probably more ammo efficient anyway.

Leaving OCless Scout to deal with Rocks just sounds like suicide, especially with their "irreproducible" tendency to just spawn during the third health bar for no reason. And Bulldog doesn't have the DPS to make up that difference. I know for experience both people in Haz 5 2P need to focus their firepower on them.

[jolly hazel]

just shoot em with zhukovs lol

and hurricane doesn't have automatic crowd control that applies ez win dot and requires no forethought like minelayer

not that minelayer is particularly difficult on escort lol

should probably switch to brt anyways from bulldog

[limpid pond]

This implies Hurricane, or any Gunner primary requires thought lmao

[sterile estuary]

What are the 3 stages of the deep dive currently?

As in their mission types, mining, escort, egg hunt, etc.

[drifting shore]

It’s in the pinned messages 🧷

[lusty shuttle]

The elite deep dive was way easier this week than last week.

[blazing current]

I predrilled to finish the mini mules first. We had rocky mountain that helps a lot

[potent vector]

honestly for 2 man missions, I think big bertha might be better

big bertha+coilgun for swarm clearing and extra cc should deal with anything the game throws at a 2 man mission

[wispy stag]

A fellow coilgun enthusiast

[potent vector]

yea, been trying to get away from NTP. now BB+hellfire is my new best friend

[shy matrix]

oh god shield disruption + drilldozer in edd

[potent jewel]

It was pretty fun since we had red rock blaster

Pre drilled to the minimules

[calm hedge]

Want to do my first deep dive

Is it possible solo?

[odd comet]

Regular deep dive, easily

It's just hazards 3 and 3.5

I wouldn't recommend trying to solo the EDD until you're comfortable in hazard 5 though.

[calm hedge]

Gotcha

Is it any different from a regular level?

[odd comet]

Three missions chained back to back, no breaks in between so make sure you have an hour or so open to do it. They're short-mid length missions but the secondary objectives are replaced with a lesser form of a primary objective.

[calm hedge]

So DDs are just really big missions basically, yea?

[odd comet]

Yes. Your health, ammo, and gold/nitra reserves also carry over between the missions.

[calm hedge]

oh

well that sounds rough

[odd comet]

It's really not bad, not on the regular DD

Just gotta keep moving as usual

Also no crafting minerals or events.

So there's nothing to distract you from the main objectives

[calm hedge]

Interesting

Anything else I should know?

[bleak wharf]

every one u do in a week is the same

[odd comet]

Either read ahead on what the mission types will be or bring a jack-of-all-trades loadout. Don't want to go into the third mission with a swarm clear loadout only to find that there's a dreadnought secondary

[calm hedge]

👍

real quick

I love scouts grapple hook

but the damage I output always feels pretty lack luster

[bleak wharf]

u will love special powder

[odd comet]

That makes your damage even more lackluster though

[bleak wharf]

what do u use?

[calm hedge]

m1k

[bleak wharf]

special powder is a clean

[calm hedge]

Damage, faster focus, more focus damage, hollow, fast reload

[odd comet]

Yeah and you're sacrificing an overclock slot that you could be sticking stuffed shells or jumbo shells in to use it

[bleak wharf]

what upgrades and any oc?

[calm hedge]

just listed, and nope

[bleak wharf]

true but sp is just utility and fun

but taking jumbo/stuff shells or just another secondary is more practical ofcourse

[bleak wharf]

id take armour break

[odd comet]

As far as builds go, scout is good at nuking big targets but struggles with waveclear

[bleak wharf]

and blowthrough maybe

reload works but i like stun more imo

[calm hedge]

@bleak wharf so basically just commit to killing big things

I barely notice the stagger on praetorians

[odd comet]

Your best option for waveclear at this point is probably just high-ammo boomstick

[bleak wharf]

u can do a general m1k and just commit to damage with one of ur secondaries

[odd comet]

Any time you get a cluster of grunts, whip that out

[calm hedge]

ive been using the smg for that, yea

[bleak wharf]

or u can swap it around

[odd comet]

I don't generally recommend the zhukovs unless you have the Embedded Detonators overclock for them

[calm hedge]

really? they shred though ads like paper

[bleak wharf]

id switch upgrades to 1321X

on m1k

[calm hedge]

also only weapon i have w/ OC

[bleak wharf]

cryo minelets are good too

[odd comet]

But feel free to ignore me, I'm a salty old vet from the days when the game wasn't quite as well balanced so there was an objectively better choice in most weapon slots, and I became set in my ways

[past sleet]

Zhukovs are fine rn imo

even without minelets and embeds

[bleak wharf]

kinda like subata they are pretty good without oc but with oc they become much better

[past sleet]

ye

[blazing current]

They're just good in general

[unkempt saffron]

Subata is pretty lackluster without an oc, id say it heavily leans towards its ocs moreso than any other weapon

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[obsidian moth]

who wants to edd?

two players need

[random rampart]

best channel to post this is your platform's lfg

[obsidian moth]

got it

[humble zinc]

i did till stage 2

i still succ 😔

[fleet yarrow]

you know what, they should use the deep dive icon as the game logo

it feels like I'm opening some bootleg mobile game everytime I click that icon with the scout's mugshot

[lime dirge]

Is edd painful this week?

[dull nexus]

stage 3 can be

but its overall easier than last week's

[lime dirge]

Aight

[blazing current]

I concur, 1 and 2 is managable

[lime dirge]

I hope cave generation is not bad lol

[echo storm]

cave gen is good and lots of nitra

we had 4 resups for stage 3 with 2 backup

[lime dirge]

Nice

[plain condor]

<@&296918282403840000> rival company sneaked bots into our discord

[fleet yarrow]

1st mission on last week's edd was the hardest for me tbh

I just can't with shield disruption

[blazing current]

It's not too bad if it's the first stage, but stage 3 is where the swarm cooldown is the lowest

Combined with doretta, it's a sweat

[fleet yarrow]

yeah it was tough, but any mission with shield disruption just completely breaks me

[old widget]

just remember your ABCS, Always Be Consuming Sugar

[blazing current]

Do mind it's highly addictive

[hollow cypress]

The last group I did the EDD we had Bet-C in the first cave right after the drilldozer spawn room. It was horrible and we got a wave of enemies immediately after we started the fight.

[grave mantle]

I cleared my first edd last night!

[summer forge]

Piece of cake for solo (my was flame driller) just get something to kill menaces well

[strong cairn]

Bring pheromone bolts for last mission

Makes it trivial

[sonic palm]

Same here.

Final stage was a heart attack.

[wraith shard]

yes

yes it was

[grave mantle]

We drilled through most of the rooms and did the mules first. Then did the escort. It was a little rough but not too bad.

I can't imagine dealing with both at the same time.

[strong cairn]

If you’re not predrilling a 5.5 dozer with double mules you’re a sadist

[hoary cove]

i didn’t because pre drilling is dum

let the swarms come bby

[echo storm]

this one was so easy

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[humble zinc]

[frosty viper]

kuyo tiga henya

KUYA TIGA HENYA

[short bluff]

especially on escort duty, god it hurts so much

[short bluff]

and mactera plague

god that 60 damage trijaw bolt hurts so much

[jolly hazel]

just run towards/away

trijaws cannot hit you if you run directly at them

[copper cedar]

Wow I didn't know that

[idle meteor]

pls no shield disruption in tmrw's edd 🙏 🙏 🙏

aight imma go to sleep now with that prayer

[digital chasm]

dont jinx it

[lofty parrot]

granted. Now DD has 3 sd and lethal enemies

[vital horizon]

I'm 0/3 with public groups, always lose on 3rd mission 😦

[jolly hazel]

play a class that you can carry with

and host

[blazing current]

Glacial strata for next EDD fingers crossed

[tacit jungle]

you do have to shop teammates a little bit, if you join and everybody is level 50ish, a medium spicy EDD will probably wreck you

[thorn jewel]

Are we talking about just first attempt success groups or capable of doing it at all?

Last week's nightmare Hollow Bough EDD I did at low teens on my fifth try with one group I found randomly

This week's though my random team we one shot it

[tacit jungle]

Last week's was a little spicy yeah. Some incredible possibilities for main room spawns in the second stage

[glossy minnow]

so what's up with getting turret ammo back between stages in deep dives?

also that final stage of EDD was rough

[boreal ibex]

Does minerals not give extra xp in deep dives?

[surreal inlet]

wow
first time attempting an EDD solo
took quite a few times but i died at stage 3 after the refuel
did the minimollies beforehand

i think i did pretty good for not being good at this game in solo

and i dont care about the cosmetics for now so its good enough for me

[magic lava]

when does deep dive reset ?

[fossil tulip]

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[surreal inlet]

actually 30 mins before that i believe

nevermind
you're right