deep-dive-discussion

[summer forge]

142 damage

holy

im taking 14 i guess?

it still feels when you dont have consistent slow from pump without this clock

[weary pecan]

it aint self-damage, try misscalculating a c4 xD

[summer forge]

thats what weird about it

[wraith flame]

Happens like every other C4

[summer forge]

cause it took 2 shots to take my shield off or something

im gonna test it out later i guess

I used sludge normal shots for elimination missions

with OC its straight up dps machine for dreadnoughts

without the need to hit weakpoint

[weary pecan]

shotgun style oc is fairly quick at eliminations, eats nitra tho....

[summer forge]

I think the one i have that makes normal shots 48 damage now is pretty good

i wanted to ask something i forgor what...

guess it didnt matter

[weary pecan]

if only tcf could ignite sludge.....

[summer forge]

can cooker ignite sludge somehow?

i havent gotten any new weapons yet...

[weary pecan]

yet to test that^

[summer forge]

Well, honestly we went really far from deep dive discussion

i guess we should end here

also current deep dive has 3 hoarders and im sad i have no time to play it @-@

[weary pecan]

i just loggedout after grinding all the new oc, have yet to pull up some math about builds for them, wich is why im probably over-crying for the rivals, i guess new weapons will yeld builds to handle them fairly ez

if talking about rivals isn't talking about edd, i remind you about this weeks first room xD

[vapid hinge]

anyone else just give up on the EDD this week? tried it twice and both times we couldn't even get through to the first big room

[summer forge]

might try to just drill away?

[weary pecan]

done it in 4 tryes with randoms, then replayed it other 3 times with my group, it's hard and somewhat rng but have ur driller be well built and the gunner bring fire bombs will make it way easyer, also the first room alone yelds something like 300+ nitra so dw, it's all about surviving the first impact

[wraith flame]

I tried it once with a group and lost and once with randoms and won. It is hard but as others said once you get past the first level then you should be fine.

I think the first loss was kind of RNG. From the get go we had shield turrets aiming into the drop pod so we had to evacuate and was a mess from there.

[warped quiver]

man the first stage on this week's EDD is brutal

second two stages are fine, but man that first stage

[echo storm]

yeah after the first stage the edd really feels like baby chow

[frail plume]

NO

[summer forge]

Go drink leaf lovers

[random rampart]

Not this copypasta again...

[brazen musk]

The only sex that will happen will be glyphid warden and elephant bullet

[pine epoch]

Maximum penetration

[sick ingot]

delete this and take a cold shower before a mod sees

[atomic prawn]

b r u h

[unkempt saffron]

Well, rip

[burnt sandal]

it's been up for 2 hours, just sayin'

[unkempt saffron]

Thats was a sight not to behold

[sick ingot]

yeah fair, i still like to give people a chance to fix it themselves

[burnt sandal]

me too sometimes but that's not up to us

[terse delta]

ok so like, if I throw a incindiary into a group of turrets will they all die

[urban stratus]

I think they should ye

[faint gust]

How to not die in EDD?

[toxic hazel]

Don’t get hit

[jolly hazel]

don't stop moving

[toxic hazel]

falls off cliff

[jolly hazel]

should try to make a mental map of the cave you are in but if all else fails hit dash and pray for a ledge

I consistently fall off the drop pod on egg missions though

[fast kraken]

imagine not having hover boots

second to last cave in last edd mission was riddled with poison mushrooms, this is insane

But I got lucky and had 2 swarmer swarms, I paraded them through the poison clouds, ez

[jolly hazel]

you didn't beat the game

[old widget]

Yeah that was the largest concentration of spore puffer things I have ever seen. Definitely was worthy of a screenshot

[flat dirge]

Familiarise yourself with some of the haz 5's differences from other hazards, keep on moving and if you really need it, call in resupplies just for health.

[jolly hazel]

eh

kinda disagree on last one but if its absolutely dire sure

[old widget]

The number of injured dwarves passing up easy red sugar while walking through a connecting tunnel…smh

Welcome new miner - this is the discussion channel for endgame deep dive content - you probably want #drg-chat

[round radish]

Oh well

thanks

[faint gust]

The biggest difficulty I have with EDD is getting curb stomped early part three and running out of ammo.

[wraith flame]

There really shouldn't be an ammo issue this EDD. The amount of Nitra available this time around is a lot. My team finished it with like 3 extra resupplies.

[old widget]

mining missions can punish slow progress, the longer you take the more swarms you get, and the more nitra you burn

[sterile hare]

Imagine not using scout with the shotgun rocket jump.

[jolly hazel]

ignore gold on edds if you arent already

every mission is a race against the clock due to nitra carrying over

[fast kraken]

Imagine wasting ammo when you have zipgun

[cyan elk]

this weeks edd was pretty fun once getting past the initial rival presence lol

we wiped hard 8 minutes in the first time

[wraith shard]

the first stage seems a lil tricky

just watched my team get massacred

[cyan elk]

ya, it helped to drill to locations and tackle the parts one at a time. so many spitballers in the turret node area

[wraith shard]

Honestly the first mission is most certainly the hardest

[wraith shard]

yeah stage 2 and 3 were a lot easier

[west merlin]

The first stage went totally fine for us except as soon as the uplink started a Nemesis spawned right on top of us

And just made it utterly impossible

Like literally he must have spawned within 10 meters of the triangulation zone, no chance to counter him

[vapid sail]

i finally beat my first elite deep dive... forgor 💀 to take Screen tho
feels good man

hadnt had a nemesis spawn in tho i thought the elite deep dive this week is plagued by them

[west merlin]

We only had 2 in my group so I guess the spawning AI was just lucky for you

[old widget]

It was, before yesterday’s patch which reduced the spawn rate in Rival Presence warnings

[west merlin]

Did anyone else get an unkillable leech on stage 2 near the drop pod?
Driller said he shot it with the microwave gun and thought it was probably a microwave gun bug rather than that specific leech but I figure it's worth checking

In case anyone does, you can cover it over with platforms and mostly stop it from grabbing you

[woeful jolt]

hey guys on the EDDs last stage we popped the boss the same time as a random wave started

and it seems to have caused some sentries not to spawn

so there isnt enough sentries to kill in order to expose the hiveguards tumors

can we remedy this situation somehow or are we fucked

weve been running around the map and digging into walls but to no avail for like 10-15 minutes

[old widget]

Hiveguard is bugged in general in Season 2. Only reliable fix is to push it out of position with a shield.

[woeful jolt]

it was moving around and attacking

after i wrote that suddenly another hiveguard popped up

that we could fight correclty

just with the added difficulty of having another invulnerable hiveguard around

[rain vapor]

This bug was less frequent in season one but still existed, usually it fixes itself after 5-10 minutes. Although annoying, its not gamebreaking.

[leaden cypress]

You can easily fix it by forcing the hiveguard to melee attack you

[old widget]

Been hanging out in #bug-discussion helping folks with this new HG issue since S2 launch, and it’s different than the “mommy won’t spawn sentinels” bug from last season - this one seems to be a solid softlock where HG doesn’t move an inch after spawn.

The /only/ fix for this new bug seems to be pushing it with a shield. None of the other workarounds for the old S1 bug work.

I’m guessing its behavior script/state machine is getting stuck somewhere and proccing fear on it via shield gets it back into a good state

[rain vapor]

Huh, ill keep that in mind. Thanks

[alpine sphinx]

Yea i've dealt with that

it sucks

we had 2 gold chunks and a bitter gem in the stash and got soft-locked and had to abort

[vivid relic]

ive just finished the elite deep dive but it didnt count, any idea why?

[hexed scarab]

yes, we also had to cover with plats

[shrewd pollen]

did the EDD took an hour an a half each mission my team almost wiped very tough

got lucky and only had to deal with 2 nemesis but man they where the worse

we turbo speeded up near the end of the first area and had to play monky in the middle with the second nemesis wandering around the drop pod

[calm jetty]

I didnt get a single nemmy in my edd run

[tame valley]

Down to do a DD or a EDD soon need 3

[west merlin]

I believe you keep 100% of gold mined on losing a mission and might keep the bitter gem credits, but that sucks regardless

[shrewd pollen]

yeah i heard some people got like 5

you really gotta be efficient and hope you dont get too many

[west merlin]

On the same leech near the drop pod? Good to know maybe it's that one specific leech.
And may make it easier for devs to reproduce. Did you do anything specific that you can recall?

[shrewd pollen]

also its possible you did get one but it just spawned far away

[jolly hazel]

we got very lucky with 1 nemesis spawn 30 seconds after we landed in the spawn room and then nothing

my teammates said that 6 different hiveguard health bars popped up one after the other,, then we popped the stage 3 dread

but me (the host) has it act normally

and during the first vulnerable phase of the hiveguard after weakpoints died, the aoe rock bombs were invisible/sunk into the floor

very weird behavior from hiveguards

[echo storm]

i must have lucked out

the edd only took 1 hour

[mellow cove]

Got one nemesis, killed it with bulk

[west merlin]

Our Driller says he first froze, then microwave burned the leech, any chance you did something similar

[jolly hazel]

that leech got me, it died for us though

very buggy edd

[hollow summit]

Regular deep dive is incredibly fast this week folks. If you don't have Deep for Speed, this week is a great time to go for it. I solo'd it, and I wasn't even trying to go fast, and I got a 39:14

[hoary cove]

poggers

[real kiln]

Bit new to Deep dives. Do you guys usually just join random people in them or do you have a group of folks ?

[burnt sandal]

Yeah, I do it with randoms personally. You don't have too though.

[real kiln]

Okay thanks !

Was just not sure if people were cool with it

[tall meadow]

Yup I just just or host in public

[midnight citrus]

waiting for players is pain

[manic pivot]

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[coral crest]

https://imgur.com/yGQtxLW

flawless 1st try

...although to be honest I could not have been luckier in stage 1

not only did no nemeses spawn, but the game threw two hackable patrol bots at me before the fuel cell

[jolly hazel]

we also got 3 patrol bots right before fuel cell

[orchid panther]

any tips for first deep dive?

[turbid arch]

Stay relatively close to your team, and communicate

[orchid panther]

anything different to deep dive that i should know?

[pine epoch]

You have to complete all three stages in a row. You don't go back to the space rig between missions. Ammo and nitra is carried over between stages.

Machine events are disabled, so the only reason not to leave as soon as you can is getting more nitra

Be as quick and efficient as possible

[orchid panther]

really great info ty @pine epoch !

[pine epoch]

You're welcome!

Oh right

No secondaries

Instead, you get two primary objectives and you have to complete both to advance

And there's a new type of objective called a black box, which is the same as the uplink portion of a retrieval mission

I think that's it

[orchid panther]

hope i dont weigh the team down now i know a few things to expect ty! ty!

[jolly hazel]

just know your role

[orchid panther]

can i only do 1 deep dive per day? or any sort of limitation?

[random rampart]

You can do as many dives you want, but you just get each stage reward once

[orchid panther]

and it resets 1x a week?

[nimble bobcat]

yes

it will reset tomorrow

[orchid panther]

ty for the advice! i had a super successful first run!

[hexed scarab]

The leech I recall was in the cave right next to the drop pod - above a ledge

[coral crest]

haunted cave leech

[hexed scarab]

Pretty much

It was kind of funny - 2 of us got grabbed then our 3rd went down and we had to Iron Will and get creative to revive everyone. We did learn that you can just cover them with plats so that was cool

[jagged oasis]

dd this week was actually real nice

pretty fast

i was scout and flying around power attacking mactera in mission 2 was great

[jolly hazel]

eggs are speedrun missions

esp on haz 3.5

3x egg dd could probably get done in under 5 minutes

[midnight citrus]

oh right this week's deep dives

totally didn't forget

[sly aurora]

Just had a bulk appear during a black box event...

[unique mason]

The last stage of the EDD was very interesting.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947141368181043210/971462493190893650/unknown.png

[toxic hazel]

One question,

H O W

[jolly hazel]

it happened to us too

its for everyone but the host

there is still only one hiveguard

its a ui bug

[brisk pagoda]

hivegaurd just seems to love being buggy trash

[jolly hazel]

that is normal unfortunately

as long as bulks are in your spawn pool

[brisk pagoda]

free swarm clear and box excavation

[jolly hazel]

until it spawns on the wall above the black box

[unique mason]

Management cannot prove that we didn't kill a ton of hiveguards that day, so we're still taking credit for doing it.

[jolly hazel]

management definetly has mission feeds on engineer suit

[old widget]

One thing to keep in mind on black box objectives in DD/EDD - unlike normal Salvage missions, it's OK to fail a black box uplink. You get the opportunity to restart it if the uplink bar disappears completely and you fail. Don't team wipe due to panic if you have to evacuate the bubble.

[jolly hazel]

management advises wasting as little company time as possible

get in there and finish the black box

every extra attempt at the black box will deduct 500 magnite from your company account

[worn hare]

I didn't realize the deep dive changed lol

[old widget]

Console updates dropped early, probably caused deep dives to re-roll on consoles

the deep dive "seed" for the week hasn't yet changed AFAIK, will change in about 15 hours

[jovial sail]

Wait they did?

Did they drop already?

[old widget]

yeah. #community-and-server-announcements

PS dropped, Xbox should be out shortly

[solemn bolt]

Is there anything you can do when a hiveguard doesn't move and doesn't summon his Sentinels?
We've waited for ~10mins, attacked it with everything we have, and dropped a resupply pod on it

[jovial sail]

Shield

Drop a shield on it

[solemn bolt]

No Gunner 😦

[jovial sail]

Get under it and jump into it

[solemn bolt]

Driller & Engi

[jovial sail]

Over and over again

The goal is to either force it to move or make it bite you

[solemn bolt]

he's wiggling, but still not responding

dug out everything around him, he's floating now lul

he's also constantly spewing slime particles from his belly

[old widget]

From the week I’ve spent helping out in #bug-discussion on this issue, it’s shield or nothing. QA also suggested pickaxe to face but haven’t heard of that working with this new variation of the Hiveguard bug. If you have no gunner and nothing else works then you’ll have to restart.

GSG QA says they think this will be fixed in next patch, praise Karl.

[manic pivot]

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[jaunty wasp]

Does anyone have a chart with all the new overclocks for the new secondaries on it? Could of sworn I saw one earlier in the week

[old widget]

Season 2 info is here on the wiki:

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Season_02:_Rival_Escalation

There are links to individual new weapons there that have all the OCs listed

[mystic quest]

middle of deep dive, the game freezed and closed itself

what a great day

never happened before

[wraith shard]

my game keeps on black screening

[stark kestrel]

the council will decide your fate

[old widget]

Pinned messages in #bug-discussion might help

[copper oriole]

Is this the spot to talk about builds?

[unkempt saffron]

#drg-chat

#deep-dive-discussion as the name implies is discussion about all things deep dive related

[copper oriole]

ah, ok. I misread the channel name. tyvm

[jaunty wasp]

Ah thanks!

[sick hull]

What kind of gear do I need before I try EDD?

[sly spade]

Just make sure you have a fully modified weapon in each tier, and preferably an overclock that you like as well.

And get the beer of the day if you can

perks filled out too

and bosco filled if you're doing solo

[sick hull]

Will my neurotoxin payload autocannon and brt with safe overclock work fine then?

Gunner is my only promoted dwarf and those are the only oc I have for him

[sacred flume]

So how many times have you guys been softlocked by Hive Guards during this week's EDD? Because this the third time as of now for me

[sick hull]

I need help with edd

only a few hours left to do it

been trying for 2 hours but couldn't beat the 2nd stage

[wooden drift]

anyone down to try the edd? attempted a few times with some less experienced friends but id like to actually get it done before the week's out

||scout main by the way||

[sick hull]

I can but I never beat it

[wooden drift]

well getting tier 1/2 is better than nothing, right?

we'll clear 2nd, at least i hope haha

[sick hull]

problem is I don't have a build to deal with dreads

I only have neurotoxin payload on my gunner

for crowds

and that's it

[wooden drift]

i can run a decent build against dreads

[sick hull]

I'm just being gatekept cus when I join a high level they kick me and when I join a low level they all wipe on 1st stage while I run around and revive

[wooden drift]

silver 2 scout, i dont gatekeep either

just need someone to play with ya know

[sick lake]

Weird to gatekeep based on level. Im silver 2 engie, bronze 3 on the rest. Level like 120+. Ive never run an EDD and have only run like 2 Haz 4s

[wooden drift]

well, if anyone wants to join, i'm public in the EDD, the name's breckdogg on steam as well

[cursive nacelle]

I've had a team of bronzes that did better than a team of high levels quite a few times in EDDs, it was very funny.

[burnt sandal]

and that's exactly why you shouldn't lock your game to players under a certain level 😄

[forest zenith]

just spent 2 hours on the EDD, so brutally hard

got to the last stage, last hiveguard was half-dead

so low on ammo team-wide that i was the only one with enough ammo to kill it

but i was desynced and couldn't damage it

got told i could reconnect, so i alt+f4'd and booted up the game

and nothing

just can't even see what happened

i guess they all died

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[honest tide]

mission control's on the fritz again

[zenith wind]

Our rivals sabotaged it.

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[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone!

[topaz prairie]

ligma

[supple crest]

EDD cave leech cluster refine liquid morkite and 150 morkite

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Covetous Position
Stage 1: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | No Mutators
Stage 2: 7 Aquarq + Dreadnought Classic | Volatile Guts Rival presence
Stage 3: 2 Dreadnoughts (Hiveguard + Classic) + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Insane Derail
Stage 1: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: 10 Aquarq + 📡 1 Black Box | Mactera PLague
Stage 3: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | No Mutators

[supple crest]

nemesis on the first edd level

there might be a bugged cave leech that you cant damage so be careful

[sly kettle]

D;

[supple crest]

I'm checking it again

[waxen terrace]

stage 2 edd 10 aquarq + blackbox | macterra plague

[supple crest]

its not bugged anymore

[topaz plank]

Oh no

[vivid zinc]

10? 7?

okay

[topaz plank]

Well at least the edd's name checks out

[jolly hazel]

aquarqs should be ez especially on crystalline

[oblique glen]

dd 7 aquarqs, 1 dreadnaught, rival presence and volatile guts

[topaz plank]

[unkempt saffron]

Fuck nemesis and rival presence, all my homies hate nemesis and rival presence

[rocky oar]

whats m3 of the edd?

[oblique glen]

oh and a nemesis a min or two in of dd stage 2

[jolly hazel]

we will find out soon

people have to go through em

very friendly biomes this week though

[waxen terrace]

stage 3 edd, escort + 2 eggs | no mutators

[vivid zinc]

yeah no machines

[sick ginkgo]

Guys

Any recommendations for rival presence

I'm play on ps4

[oblique glen]

dd dreadnaught is normal dreadnaught

[unkempt saffron]

Take weapons which can do heat

[waxen terrace]

bring a crispr driller, preferably one with heat setup + sticky flames

[unkempt saffron]

You see a nemesis you take out that hyper prop with incendiary and you send that fucker back to the scrapyard

[sick ginkgo]

Im got that

[waxen terrace]

crispr driller shreds rivals

[sick ginkgo]

Facemekter is a option?

[waxen terrace]

facemelter uses alot of ammo

[sick ginkgo]

Well no overclocks then

[waxen terrace]

try 2 2 2 2 1

[sick ginkgo]

Nice

[waxen terrace]

sticky flames legit make nemmy super easy

[sick ginkgo]

How mucho nemesis spawn un rival presence

?

[random rampart]

Random

[waxen terrace]

idk now since the spawnrate is fixed

its random but the spawnrate should be super low now

[random rampart]

I got Rival presences without any nemesis

[sick ginkgo]

Ok

[oblique glen]

dd 3 is 2 dreadnaughts, 2 eggs and regen bugs

[crimson tinsel]

Seems like a good week

Lot of variation

[jolly hazel]

escort

😪

[crimson tinsel]

No mutators so it shouldn’t be too bad

Will have to see

[frank viper]

EDD feels very easy

Like VERY easy this week

[topaz plank]

Does mactera plague waves replace the normal waves or is it a combo of both?

[jolly hazel]

so

mactera cost more "points" for the AI swarm director to spawn than normal glyphids

[frank viper]

Seemed like they replaced normal waves when they spawned

[random rampart]

Combo

[jolly hazel]

so on average there will be less enemies

and yes there is a mix

but usually one mactera for every glyphid spawned

[oblique glen]

dd 3 one hiveguard

[topaz plank]

Ok thanks for the clarification 👍

[jolly hazel]

in my experience the mactera come first and then glyphids later in the swarm

mactera plague is generally going to be easier

generally

[frank viper]

Macteras spawned late for me, like very late

[jolly hazel]

the first few waves were glyphids?

[frank viper]

Yes

[jolly hazel]

must be rng then

its more of a drip feed of grunts plus the mactera lol

[real plover]

are there 10 aquarqs for EDD this week? can't seem to find the last one

[jolly hazel]

there will always be more than 10

[real plover]

u done the EDD?

[frank viper]

There is indeed

[jolly hazel]

no thats the mission type though

they can be hidden real good in back caves though

[topaz plank]

Is the cave gen any good?

[frank viper]

I liked it alot

[topaz plank]

Ah good

[frank viper]

Best EDD i have played yet imo

[topaz plank]

Weird because I thought the 10 aquarqs plus black box and mactera plague would be troublesome

For the edd

[frank viper]

Definently hardest stage of the EDD, but not that hard if you bring the right weapons

1 cryo nade and u can take out 15 trijaws spawning

[oblique glen]

dd stage 3 2nd dreadnaught is classic dreadnaught

[frank viper]

we had 950 nitra on stage 3 EDD

[topaz plank]

Jesus

I would only expect that from a mini mule stage

[lusty fiber]

Another fucking rival presence?

At least not edd this time

I just wanna play cryo driller ffs

[weak carbon]

No rival EDD, rejoice

[topaz plank]

Now the normal DD is its home

[hollow citrus]

the rival presence DD stage was surprisingly light, there were no turrets at all. just occasional patrol bot and shredder spawns. no nemesis too, though that might be luck.

[topaz prairie]

we had 1000

[arctic sorrel]

edd stage one has a hoarder and a nemesis on spawn

[arctic sorrel]

embrace the enlightened ice spear driller life

[lusty fiber]

Boy I do wish i head it

[arctic sorrel]

first cryo gun OC I ever got, started using it back when everyone and their mother was shitting on it, well who is laughing now I say >:)

[cold cove]

Yay, no Rival Presence on EDD

[umbral flower]

normal deep dive mission one summary from our game: the gunner stays IN the pit with the blackbox during sex

(we had the gunner do the blackbox on his own)

[old widget]

reminds me of the scout in our old EDD crew, we'd do DD after as a cooldown and he would gleefully pull every egg / pop every dread egg while the rest of us hung out in the BB bubble

[obtuse pasture]

touch and go run on my solo EDD this week.. stage 3 dotty almost lost her

[jolly hazel]

why would you have a gunner do it on his own

I can understand scout being outside

[old widget]

probably so rest of team could build pipes

[jolly hazel]

oh right normal dd

[old widget]

ye

[jolly hazel]

I could see some players having trouble though lol

[old widget]

seems like teammates outside the bubble would probably draw a bit of aggro, though waiting 3-4x as long for the bar to fill would be a bit annoying

[stuck moth]

This week's edd is piss easy

[jolly hazel]

ya even for time purposes with it being a dd

would rather plop engie in there too

[elder orchid]

2 bulks at the same time on stage 3 EDD 💀

[obtuse pasture]

feels.. bad... man

[wary seal]

Dreadnaught hiveguard got stuck in air on my DD 3rd stage. Couldn't finish the DD. sigh

[west merlin]

I've gotten 2 missions that I'm pretty sure had exactly 10 since the update and one where we couldn't find the 10th and had to give up after 40 minutes

The second one of those was crystalline caverns actually, Engy finally spotted the last aquark way up in the ceiling and I think it was right next to a glowing crystal which was obscuring the aquark glow

[old widget]

you see the patch notes today?
- Fixed a bug where long Point Extraction missions would have 10 or less Aquarqs spawning

...you weren't crazy!

[jolly hazel]

that seems like

a weird thing to suddenly get a bug in

[west merlin]

Oh sweet! Glad they fixed it, thanks for telling me

[undone ferry]

are there rewards for doing dives daily? or just weekly?

[crimson tinsel]

One per stage per dive per week

Redoing stages you already did won’t give you more cores

[wintry delta]

so much nitra

jesus

on EDD

[crimson tinsel]

♾️

[wintry delta]

used like 1-2 per stage and last stage we spammed 10 with the left

[somber breach]

any good build for engineer against damn robots?

[old widget]

shard diffractor, built for single target damage + heat (no OCs needed)
PGL w/hyperpropellant OC and heat mod

both will overheat robots in seconds, hyperprop w/heat will one-shot all patrol bots and turrets regardless of haz level

[undone ferry]

BC with heat is also amazing for nemesis

[old widget]

oh, good point, BC + inferno would be good too

[somber breach]

does pgl with heat works also against dreadnoughts?

[old widget]

not really, dreads are /very/ hard to set on fire

and don't stay lit for long

and don't take much damage from fire regardless, since they, y'know, shoot fire

[somber breach]

im trying to make a good build for todays dd. There is both robots and dreadnoughts

[old widget]

solo?

[somber breach]

nope

[old widget]

then it's OK to not spec for everything IMO, especially on Haz 3/3.5 pretty much any build will do OK

build one weapon for swarm/crowd clear and one weapon for single target damage

warthog can be built as a great burst DPS single target weapon, for example

then pair it with BC or PGL built for AoE

[somber breach]

i will use warthog cycle overload with pgl hyper p. then

but without the heat mod

[old widget]

definitely a dread killer build

oh, on the PGL + HP

[somber breach]

and lure for damn patrol bots. its too useful 😄

[old widget]

always take heat

hyperprop + heat is "bugged"

it doesn't actually take away the damage component

you just get free heat

(but only with hyperprop)

[sly spade]

how much heat does hyper propellant do

[old widget]

(I use "bugged" because IIRC someone pinged a dev on it and they said it was intentional)

[somber breach]

really?

[sly spade]

can you kill nemesis one shot?

[waxen verge]

Armor break is actually bugged (damage doesn’t carry through armor), heat is strange and has a small chance of actually being intended

[old widget]

2 shots nemmy, 1 shot bots/turrets

[old widget]

yes

it's easy to test by grabbing the damage numbers mod if you want to confirm

[somber breach]

I already have that one. Will test it out asap 😄

[sly spade]

So how are my chances of cheesing this elite deep dive as scout?
I'm almost thinking scout may not work for floor 3 due to it being escort

[old widget]

haz 5.5 escort as solo scout would indeed be pain, definitely not impossible though

[bold maple]

Minigun with a hellfire armskore

[old widget]

this EDD supposedly has stupid nitra, just drop 10 resups and spam cryo nades

[bold maple]

And incendiary grenade

[somber breach]

engineer

[bold maple]

Lok1 ecr with inferno hyperprop

[old widget]

^ yeah that's a good mixup

also EM Discharge w/hyperprop, "my favorite"

[bold maple]

Iirc inferno is broke on hyper to where it went reduce dmg

It only adds fire

[somber breach]

do you think hyper propellant + armor breaking mod is good against dreadnought classic

[old widget]

AB does nothing against dreads really

[bold maple]

AB on hyper not good

[sly spade]

doesn't AB a requirement for the twins?

[bold maple]

Twins have weakspots on the mouth

[old widget]

I guess if you know you're fighting twins, maybe

[sly spade]

wait twins have weakspots on mouth?!

[bold maple]

But yeah inferno hyper doesn't reduce dmg at all afaik

It just provides fire and no downside

So free body one shots on patrol bot

[sly spade]

I've been ignoring it this whole time because years of Dreadnoughts taught me butt is only weakspot

[midnight citrus]

the entire body of the twins are weakspots

[bold maple]

Only after breaking armor which can waste ammo

Mouths require no armor breakage

[old widget]

"at least we can shoot these in the face"

[sly spade]

Driller exists. Sludge Blast doesn't have weakspots

[somber breach]

for d. classic

[sly spade]

it has kill Dreadnoughts in 30 seconds-spots

[bold maple]

Still no

AB doesn't affect dread armor

[sly spade]

I feel like it should

you should get damage bonus to yellow armor hp

[bold maple]

I'm not sure if inferno hyper is the absolute best play on dreads cause you can screw up a cryo driller, but it will annihilate patrol bots and other random robot enemies

[somber breach]

so armor break only works against guards qronars and preatorians etc?

[sly spade]

don't forget Grundles

[bold maple]

Yeah even then AB not that good on the majority of weapons

[somber breach]

I thought it was working against dread armor hp bar too

damn

[old widget]

it's...pretty complex. https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Creature_Armor
it's also still pretty bugged, many weapons that have AB mods don't actually work properly.

[jolly hazel]

I thought that was gonna get fixed in season 2

guess its a bit harder to fix

[old widget]

some did get fixed

still a lot left

[jolly hazel]

armor break technically works on grunt variations too

[old widget]

a bit OT for details here but there's plenty of history and writeups in the wiki channel on the ways in which AB is busted, and on which weapons

[jolly hazel]

but besides guards they will die before you notice

ya I remember the write up i think

as long as it works on weapons with meaningful ab

[old basin]

stage 1 on the EDD does not seem pleasant in the slightest
the terrain is pretty awful + there's an instant nemesis
and then leech cluster makes it kinda difficult to find a safe spot to fight the nemesis right away

[lapis kettle]

When do deep dives move to the next

[old basin]

they've already rotated for the week

it happens every thursday

[lapis kettle]

Alrighty

[sick hull]

I mean

Stage 1 last edd was just as awful imo

Spawn into a turret network, then get into an enormous cave with a jellyfish summoner, crawler summoner, patrol bots and nemesis while mactera swarms bombard you

And it’s on the poison map too

[molten carbon]

how do i prevent clipping into the oil refinery and soft locking myself???

it just happens at random

[opaque hound]

Does anyone feel like breach cutter is better than sun laser?

[old widget]

for deep dive builds? depends on the rest of the loadout

[old widget]

probably worth discussing in #bug-discussion

[opaque hound]

Single target damage

[old widget]

shard has infinite range and accuracy, which is just a different weapon than BC

[opaque hound]

You are right, I didn’t know the inf range

[old widget]

I generally wouldn't think of BC as a single target damage weapon

(though it's powerful enough that it does that job too)

[hoary cove]

depends how u build shard. If you take weakpoint damage and 33% damage vs electrically afflicted targets, i can guarantee you it has higher dps without needing an oc

[hoary cove]

they reduced to the spawn rate significantly, which was apparently a bug. First time i did EDD before the patch, i had 5 or 6 nemmies. Second time after patch, didn’t see a single one

[cursive nacelle]

You want to talk about pain, try an escort with 7 dets in an EDD

[cursive nacelle]

Though I've yet to get 5-6 nemmies. That sounds like a fun time though.

[frail gyro]

this edd was humane tbh

[burnt mountain]

EDD had soo much nitra this week

i used 5 resupplies the entire edd and ended with 914 extra nitra

[crimson tinsel]

So basically a chance to use those ammo hungry fun load outs

Sludge Blast Hose

[burnt mountain]

well i was solo and did get to conserve quite a bit given all i had to do was run most of the missions. Scout gang 😎

ended with like 450 kills

[violet warren]

I ran a "meme" loadout with radiation+contagion wave cooker alongside sludge pump and it worked really well

Don't need direct damage when you have teammates and you can stack so many debuffs on things that a bulk spawn during the uplink can barely even move

[crimson tinsel]

That’s honestly the loadout I’ve been using normally lol

Setting up my team and making it easy for them to finish off the bugs

[calm gate]

my game crushed on entering EDD3 yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[burnt mountain]

its only a lame cosmetic over clock anyway

[calm gate]

yeah but its a lame cosmetic overclock i was gonna get

: (

not worth it now to repeat the whole thing just for that

[jolly hazel]

just did edd

obscene amount of nitra

anyone looking to do their first edd

now is the time

very easy

[calm jetty]

Easiest edd i have ever played in my life

[lofty parrot]

650 nitra and we're still rationing

[craggy basalt]

Got destroyed on the EDD

Twice

By that mactera plague

Had people quitting, worst EDD I've played by a landslide

[violet warren]

Somehow we didn't have a hard time with it even though I was running sludge and wave cooker

Although I've heard that this EDD is unwinnable for solo players because the nemesis spawns right outside the drop pod and it's impossible to not get grabbed

Drop pod invulnerability doesn't apply to a nemesis, neither does dashing through its range to get to cover

[craggy basalt]

Yeah, the dive itself is not bad, there is an insane amount of nitra

But I can't stand being screwed over by people quitting mid game

I'm gonna try it out again later this week for sure

[craggy basalt]

Yes, this was highly annoying, I died inside of the drop both times I tried this EDD for that repulsion thing he throws at you

[unkempt saffron]

Its impossible to do solo? Ethosaur did it solo in #deep-dive-speedrunning though

[glossy walrus]

the nemesis did spawn right outside the drop pod, but it didn't grab either of us out of it

we actually got to dance around a good bit inside too

the patch notes sounded it was fixed, and it was in our exp

[cursive nacelle]

Ya callin the funee hat/beard lame?

That isn't very rock and or stone of you.

[wispy monolith]

Well it's 1/10 of a weapon oc

1/9 if you don't count the free cosmetic oc you get

If it's worth to repeat the (e)dd for that is another question :-) depends on the frustration level you encountered imo 😀

[spring axle]

Are DD's/EDD's not rejoinable after a crash like a normal mission? Game just crashed while loading stage 2 and I restarted, but wasn't given the option to try and reconnect 😦

[buoyant wing]

correct

unfortunately

[storm spindle]

where is the last aquarq on stage 2 of the normal deep dive?

[dim gorge]

I just did it recently and there's definitely more than you need to complete the mission. A bunch are visible from the main room and there's a few in a small cave thing opposite to the turret controller

[storm spindle]

wait whats on the second stage of the deep dive

[dim gorge]

Deep dive objectives and threats/modifiers are always in this channel's pins

[storm spindle]

wait

does yours say rival presence

mine says unknown horror

[viscid sage]

yeah, rival + volatile

what platform are you on

[storm spindle]

im still in season 1

because piracy

[viscid sage]

thatll do it

[dim gorge]

Well then we can't help here

[azure wraith]

During EDD stage 3 my team thought that we could pull an egg that would spawn a swarm. Despite my warnings, they thought we could handle it because we had 600 nitra. So they pulled it and a big swarm came on us during the second phase.

Spoilers: We all died.

smh

[old basin]

it’s perfectly winnable in solo, you just have to wait inside the pod until it wanders out of range

it’s still a really obnoxious spawn, esp due to the breeder, but it’s perfectly doable without getting downed

[alpine raptor]

Just rolled the EDD with Pubs. Good lot. 3 Bulks in the third stage.

[merry monolith]

rolled the EDD as well. Carried the second level to an extreme just by snowballing 10+ mactera swarms

[left sleet]

A common mistake lol

[jolly hazel]

simply kill the bugs

[left sleet]

A greenbeard did that in a edd I did a while back and his response was "I thought we could handle it" even though it made us lose twice already lol

Only difference was it was mini mules, not eggs

There's no distinct sound like when you pick up an egg so obviously we had no idea he kept going near all the mules to activate them

[jolly hazel]

I feel a lot of people still don't know about mini mule swarms

[left sleet]

I think they should add a sound for the group like eggs

[jolly hazel]

ya if it made a high pitched ping or something that would be nice

same for the leg

or maybe leg should still be silent because its basically booby trapped

[left sleet]

Please no more high pitched sounds. I prefer low rumble like how the eggs are

Molly and the dozer already annoy me enough

[jolly hazel]

too bad its drilldozer squeal pitched up and at 3x volume

[midnight citrus]

doretta voice doesn't increase in pitch in rich atmosphere

[inner rover]

wait i thought it was random which egg spawns a swarm

[feral atlas]

There is always 1 swarm somewhere if the eggs are a secondary.

If you take the first egg and no swarm...it's guaranteed on the 2nd.

[azure wraith]

If there are 2 eggs, 1 will spawn a swarm for sure and we hadn't triggered one.

[obtuse pasture]

when in doubt.. do eggs after doretta

when i run solo that is the only choice.. but safest no matter what

[vital sluice]

The eggs that don't spawn a swarm will spawn a wave so it's always worth it to be somewhat careful about them if you're already fighting stuff

[frail sorrel]

yeah. the first try i had at the EDD this week the driller popped the egg right after the starting cave spawned a swarm on us when we weren't ready, as well as a bulk with it. those eggs are hellaciously more dangerous then most people give them credit for

we lost that run, btw, in case you were curious

[dim gorge]

Really nice EDD this week, definitely beginner friendly!

Only thing I'd say to truly be ready for is the Nemesis at the start, otherwise it's all good

[astral citrus]

I felt this week was rough even thought the mutators weren't that bad.

Very tight quarters.

Super plentiful on the nitra though.

[dim gorge]

I feel like it was also because we got a pretty good team overall. We got 2 downs total for the whole EDD

[astral citrus]

Oh, well, yeah, that didn't happen for me.

Felt like every time I turned my back a pack sneaked up on me with 2+ slashers.

I spent more of this EDD on my belly than I care to admit.

[dim gorge]

Yeah... unfortunately the team tends to be a bit of a gamble

[astral citrus]

I did finally get Magnetic Pellet Alignment for engineer though.

I've been hunting for that OC for weeks now.

[dim gorge]

Ayyy! Well done!

This EDD actually gave me the last weapon OC I needed to have them all

[astral citrus]

I'm not there yet, but it also got me one of the unstable wave cooker OCs.

-Damage
-Ammo
+25% chance to radiate enemies

[dim gorge]

Yeah, getting them all takes a while, but it is definitely satisfying when you get an OC you've been looking for

[wraith flame]

Congrats. Just got it myself recently. Definitely makes a difference.

[glossy holly]

why are the lootbugs always on the ceiling?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/220594013818847234/972243492757700688/unknown.png

oh pog, the pic just there

[jolly hazel]

thats where the nitra is

[astral citrus]

Little puff of fire and that's a few trips to the MULE.

[glossy holly]

my flamer couldn't reach them (T_T)

the wave cooker did tho

[jolly hazel]

wave cooker has really deceptive range

firing animation makes it seem like flamethrower range but it reaches out and touches things

[pallid tendon]

this image makes me feel very lustful

[glossy holly]

100% this, when i saw the teaser i was really not looking forward to it, i thought it was just more wave clear for the driller, but now i've got my hand in it it's become my fav driller secondary

made dealing with the breeder on level 1 of the edd ezpz

[jolly hazel]

it does wave clear job well too lol

very versatile weapon

[cursive nacelle]

breeders are never really that much of an issue anyways, just a waste of ammo if you don't freeze them with a freeze nade.

[jolly hazel]

scout is busy fighting a brood nexus

[old widget]

if you ever have less than 100% health on this EDD, just drop a resup and refill, and you will /still/ have leftover nitra at the end

ended up using resups to literally keep a continuous chain of lures on each side during the whole heartstone

[half perch]

hi all, a simple question about EDD, ¿its bugged the second mission because all the time respawn enemies?, i mean infinite respawn, cant explore the cave or collect nothing.

[slow laurel]

welcome to haz 5

[jolly hazel]

hazard 5 point extraction mini swarms get like that if you take too long

[half perch]

But this is not fun at all, very boring.

[toxic hazel]

[slow laurel]

As gamers would say:
Git gud

[jolly hazel]

it is always fun to kill bugs

[solid smelt]

The game is currently unplayable for me on pc, the game has crashed 5 times 4 of which was from just from trying to launch the game and 1 was from applying my mods

[jolly hazel]

try #bug-discussion

[half perch]

@slow laurel ok

[old widget]

I would say you should play with a full team of dwarves who can help kill bugs.

It’s a lot more fun with a team

[glossy walrus]

and if you're solo you should be using bosco to get all the aquarqs quickly and get out of there

mainly have to remember to do the black box earlier than later (we did it after first swarm)

[atomic prawn]

verifying game files and delete the mods

iirc having outdated BPMM always causes the game to crash

even if it's not enabled

[lofty parrot]

Did the edd and almost lost to macteras. Then it was ezpz. And then we blitzed the dd after

[dawn cosmos]

we lost to second phase ommoran because driller started it early

not trying that again, not worth it for a cosmetic OC

[left flame]

did anyone notice the Stone and Rock or?

[tiny frost]

This week's EDD was a BITCH to solo

[summer badge]

Agree

[wraith shard]

Thinking about it now, the best way to do an Elite Karl Dive is all of the previous rules, but , you're near blackout drunk, how Karl would have probably done it in my opinion

[obtuse pasture]

Gotta abuse bosco.. HARD

[wraith shard]

What does this week's Deep Dive have in store? I'd look deeper in the channel, but I don't wanna.

[raven grove]

Look at the pins.

[wraith shard]

Found it—thank you so much.
I feel dumb for asking.

[upper geyser]

Finished team EDD. pretty simple one to just beat face.
The only major problem encountered was Nemesis spawning directly outside the droppod at the very start. Team got nuked inside the droppod trying to deal with it so it inflated our death count a bit

[soft token]

just dodge the nemesis nerd

[boreal phoenix]

scout main here

dodging the nemesis is a very easy task

scout main out

[viral hemlock]

🤣

[unkempt saffron]

one of those edds where theres too much nitra, but thank god it didnt start with escort or else there may have been a genuine lack of nitra

[wispy monolith]

I heard this week's EDD has a ton of nitra, is that right?

[unkempt saffron]

yes, can probably get upwards of 400 nitra in stage 1 and 2, maybe even 500, for a grand total of about 800 to 1000 nitra in the first 2 stages

[wispy monolith]

thanks!

[upper geyser]

Pulled up my stage 1 results card and confirming, stage 1 we gathered 445 nitra, and there's probably a bit more

[unkempt saffron]

we had so much nitra to spare after calling in 2 supplies in the 1st stage

and theres probably tons more hidden in stage 2, but the nitra that you can see is already overwhelming

after that stage 3 is simply trivial with the ludicrous amounts of nitra available

[jolly hazel]

I think we had about 12 resups on stage 3 lol

[lime heron]

another edd crash as host 🥳🥳🥳🥳

[echo storm]

hmm we had 840 nitra just before starting the mining for the escort

[viscid seal]

do they usually make the first dds of the season this easy?

[atomic anchor]

2 classic dreads? Come on that's just annoying

[old widget]

DD biome, cavegen, and objectives are completely random, so it's just RNG

[idle warren]

anyone find an immortal cave leech in the EDD this week?

[old widget]

kept hearing it but didn't ever see it

was near the minehead in stage 1, kept hearing its "I'm frustrated that I missed grabbing you" sound

[valid ginkgo]

Saw lots of cave leech but they die so I guess not.

[idle warren]

What channel here can I post clips in?

[valid ginkgo]

I'm not entirely sure.

[idle warren]

I got a clip of the immortal one though I was modded so I'm not really sure if it's my fault or not

I dont have any mods that effect enemies tho :/

[valid ginkgo]

Then I guess it's a bug. Have you tried to do the dive again and see if it's the same?

[old widget]

#bug-discussion if it's a bug, #drg-gallery for misc

[outer beacon]

EDD done! Steeve carried us hard on the last stage. I tamed him and he not only lasted all the way to the Ommoran, but he also tanked all the way through the extraction process and gave us a lot of breathing room
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/972627418907025488/20220507182528_1.jpg?width=1202&height=676

It's also the first EDD that I can complete as Gunner after a lot of previous failures so I feel great about it.

[devout wing]

Last stage of the normal deep dive had 2 leeches near an egg, that embarassed me because i didnt realize the team went to the other direction

[jolly hazel]

I think there was like 4 in that cave

[devout wing]

There were two togheter near an egg, i forgot that they can spawn in small caves

In my head they spawn only in big open caves, i always forget that its anywhere

[sick lake]

Tips on this week's DD? running only 2 dwarves.

[unkempt saffron]

DD? Just use whatever you have and dont die

Theres really no preset strats for DD since its usually pretty easy

[sick lake]

I see we've got rival presence and dreads. Should driller go cryo or crispr at this rate?

[unkempt saffron]

Either or, matter of preference really for DD

[sick lake]

So like i get a majority of the people here play haz 5, but tbh the DD is about the current peak of my skill level

[unkempt saffron]

Anything haz 4 and below most builds will work fine, even if theyre bad

You dont really face much issues with enemy health or swarm size since theyre somewhat manageable

So for DDs just run them like howd you normally do with any mission

Theres no need to overthink it greatly, but if you really want thats fine too

[sick lake]

I had a game earlier today where i got hit with multiple nemeses, 3 dreads (original, twins and the minion one) and a crassus and the enemy health was not manageable for my group

[unkempt saffron]

You wont get such an exorbitant amount of enemies for DD

Just keep an eye and ear out for them and youll manage just fine

[sick lake]

Cool, thanks

[unkempt saffron]

Also you dont have to rush, if you wanna take your time doing the DD then do so, the swarms may get larger and more frequent over time but theyre not haz 4 or 5 level or anything

[sick lake]

Full disclosure, the mission i mentioned. This shit all came at me at haz 2

On hollow bough that was not giving much nitra

[unkempt saffron]

Shit happens, but for the sake of DD find nitra as soon as possible, you can ignore gold since the payout is already quite lucrative, manage your time well and get straight to the objectives

Also, it helps if you can find a spot to hunker down and fight swarms or even dreads, constant movement is key to fighting let alone managing a swarm

[sick lake]

Part of it was we just could not effectively kill the nems.

Driller had face melter but kept getting grabbed. I was runnin engie with micro shells and fat boy

Id almost rather have low o2 or shield disruption in my DD than rival presence

[unkempt saffron]

Face melter will be ineffective when you have to get super close to the nemesis to do anything

You want to maximize range when fighting the nemesis, so build that crspr with that in mind if youre worried of encountering the nemesis

[sick lake]

I usually run executioner lok and burning beam on breach cutter in DD's so hopefully i can melt those bastards a tad better

[unkempt saffron]

Inferno should work well against nemesis, anything that can proc heat from a distance will be good against it, maintain your distance and unload your breach cutter on the nemesis until it starts to burn

[sick lake]

Neato, thanks

[delicate hamlet]

Y’all, a team kicked me because I found a Big gold piece and I said “we’re rich!”

That ain’t cool :/

[sly spade]

Just letting you know, the Deep Dive was pretty smooth solo going Hurricane Gunner with Coilgun

The hurricane was really nice keeping groups of mactera in check

[sick lake]

Thats not very rock or stone of them

[wispy stag]

Neither rock nor stone

[echo storm]

very leaf lover of them to do so actually

[spring maple]

they tried to deny the sacred ritual

[jovial sail]

*Rich-ual

[jovial sail]

That’s messed up. Leaf lovers.

[fossil juniper]

guaranteed they deposited it too

[brisk pagoda]

ice storm will handle robots and dreads effectively

[balmy knoll]

do you need all 4 players in the drop pod to advance a deep dive stage now cause all 3 players are down and 1 person is in the drop pod but it didnt go deeper

[unkempt saffron]

No you dont

[dim gorge]

They need to be in the green area deeper inside. If they're near the entrance it won't depart

[shut oracle]

prob one of the downed dwarfs had iron will and didnt use

[ripe shard]

For those who have hellfire on the coilgun, do you find yourselves doing a lot of DoT with the electric + fire trails?

[plush stump]

Did anyone had a bug where the magma stones spawned at 3rd stage of a heart stone fight? Like this should not happen right?

[dim gorge]

I did, but it was like 2-3 at most and they spawned at the start of phase 3

[unkempt saffron]

It should do more damage, its probably the best t5 option for the coilgun

[shut oracle]

didnt play for a while but from the stuff i seen on wiki coil gun seems pretty underwhelming in dmg per ammo

at least if u compare it to six shooter or leadstorm brt

[burnt sandal]

total damage is not the only thing to take into account when balancing a weapon

[shut oracle]

also dps, ive not used it yet but looks like u need some charge to do the 130 dmg

[burnt sandal]

also it's not a single target focused weapon so comparing it to weapon with OC made for that is not going to give you satisfaction

[shut oracle]

yeah i hoped u can build it as a hyper prop style dreadkiller

but ima stay with brt for that then

as i usually do aoe with primary

wonder how it oneshot that praet in promo vids

[burnt sandal]

the teaser video is not an actual showcase

it's just a teaser

[shut oracle]

yeah got me hyped for coil gun a bit but ill pass 😁

[burnt sandal]

you can actually OS praetorian with a specific OC but it demands quite some work so it's unlikely it will perform like that out of this specific scenario
though there aren't any weapons who can outright OS a praetorian either without some work done

[shut oracle]

yeah if u fire through enough obstacles? think ive read about that oc

[burnt sandal]

yeah

[shut oracle]

crossbow and cooker look interresting though

cooker looks good along with sticky flames build

like temp shock everything to death that doesnt die to sticky flames

[unkempt saffron]

Its still pretty disappointing with the coilgun we got in the end

Questionable mod choices, doesnt really excel at single target or aoe without the right ocs, ocs which are straight up broken with reatomizer applying steeve statuses

And overall just a very anemic secondary option

[shut oracle]

idk ive seen a vid where it procced temp shock multiple times in a short duration while sticky flames applied burning again and again

[unkempt saffron]

Same can be said for the microwave, but at least i can temp shock for a flat 200 damage, the only consistent part of the weapon imo

[shut oracle]

and if ive read the mods right it should also apply aoe freeze while doing that

[burnt sandal]

you haven't used it a lot then if you think so

anyway, it's a chat best kept for #drg-chat

[unique spoke]

EDD was pretty interesting this week. Lots of intense moments and an interesting combination of main/sub missions.

"Pls go get the liquid morkite. Also, we want solid morkite."
"R&D's currently putting in work to see if it's possible to extract gaseous morkite too, so keep an eye out for that."

[jolly hazel]

that is the praetorian fart

[vast venture]

Morkite Praetorian: releases Morkite vapors on death, breath attack replaced with a blue flamethrower or something

[drifting parrot]

do the deep dives have some feature where after you get all the objectives done it's just perma-spawning bugs until you leave?

[hoary cove]

no

[neat charm]

not a feature of deep dives specifically but point extraction does

after a certain time

[drifting parrot]

I'm aware of that

maybe it was a bug, mission control was being weird too

on stage one just now, control told me as the pump sequence finished "return to the refinery and start up the pump sequence"
and then the bugs just wouldn't stop coming

ugh, and I can't handle rival pres alone

is it just me or is bosco worse than useless at dealing with sniper turrets?

he just floated up, didn't shoot, and stopped doing anything productive

I'll look for a partner ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unique spoke]

Bosco's programmed to exterminate bugs and is kind of confused at what the deal is with these other, stationary, oddly-shaped Boscos.

[drifting parrot]

he kills the repulsors and bursters fine

[hoary cove]

It’s intentional that the bugs never stop coming after finishing the pumping sequence. You shud always press the button right after finishing

[drifting parrot]

ah, good to know

I guess I just hadn't percieved it as being as brutal before

Mission Control telling me to start the pump sequence immediately after saying it was finished was definitely a bug though

[hoary cove]

for sure

[lament trail]

Yeah it sometimes bugs out and says that line again, but in general the bugs don't stop after it's finished, so do everything you need to do before then, preferably before starting

As those infinite spawns can be brutal at haz 5.5

[leaden totem]

Are the regular deep dives difficult? Or just very long?

[delicate axle]

Generally they take at least 40+ minutes, but they're equivalent to hazard 3-4 in difficulty. unless the cave generation screws you over, not a huge challenge, just time consuming

[leaden totem]

Damn, I should have started doing the deep dives from the get go then.

[jolly hazel]

elite deep dive is

4.5/5/5.5

but not much changes from 5->5.5

so if you can handle haz 5 you can handle an edd

same with haz 3 and a dd

[leaden totem]

What rewards are limited to elite deep dives?

[jolly hazel]

its the exact same rewards as the weekly core hunt

stage 1 blank core stage 2 weapon oc stage 3 cosmetic oc

plus and gold you mined

*any

and minerals from huuli hoarder

there are no naturally spawning biome minerals

just nitra and gold

[delicate axle]

so no limited rewards

just more rewards

[jolly hazel]

Also

[jolly hazel]

some mission/secondary objectives combinations can make things difficult

due to cave gen/wave spawns being tailored for the primary objective and not the second

for example, bugs do not stop spawing during primary point extraction/secondary dreadnought extermination stages

bugs normally stop spawning during elimination mission dread fights to make it easier

in the same way, escort primary/egg secondary can result in the drilldozer digging out the egg in the wall through its programmed pathing dropping an additional swarm on you while trying to refuel

also I think dd/edd have more negative modifiers than usual

[leaden totem]

Thanks for the info peeps.

[calm jetty]

Np

[gaunt forge]

Aquarq blackbox is the worst together

[manic pivot]

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[old widget]

wow, stage 2 of normal deep dive is a little spicier than usual

PE + dread + wide open chamber with turrets everywhere and minimal cover (and jellies and snow and ice)

[severe owl]

which of the eggs on s3 EDD are swarms

[drowsy holly]

first one was for me

the 2nd in the chamber with ommeron wasnt

[severe owl]

im pretty sure its the same each time but i'm not 100% sure on that

[jolly hazel]

it was different on attempts for me

or rather previous attempts

[jolly hazel]

ya I think dd and edd were a bit closer in difficulty than usual

[unkempt saffron]

DD was close to edd? Not really

[old widget]

maybe DD was spicy and EDD was mild, felt a little that way to me

[echo storm]

on par for an edd i feel

flashbacks to the haunted cave edd from a couple weeks back

[unique spoke]

EDD1 and 2 were pretty hairy but stage 3 was kind of a breather by comparison

[lament musk]

A welcome calm after mactera plague

[frank sparrow]

1 more seat for the elite deep dive

[calm jetty]

Wdf were the edd spawns this week

Why the hell did it feel like a regular deep dive

So annoying

[iron summit]

2 or 3 weeks ago we had Aquarq black box Mactera Plague

it was death

[tall crow]

yo

what happens if you leave a dwarf behind on deep dives?

do u just lose a dwarf for the rest of the run?

[lethal chasm]

no, as long as one person makes it to the pod everyone respawns on the next stage

[tall crow]

what about on deep dive elite?

same thing?

[lament musk]

same thing, yeah

[jolly hazel]

closer not close

[unkempt saffron]

Maybe for others it felt different, but i still found the edd to still be somewhat more challenging than facing 2 nemmies and a rival presence on dd

The only thing id note for this dd though is it was somewhat more chaotic, at least for stage 2

[jolly hazel]

yeah thats what I'm saying

its still more challenging but its not hellish edd and cakewalk dd like it often is

at least for experienced players

[dim gorge]

Yeah, compared to some other EDD's this one is definitely on the easier side if you know what to do

[fair blade]

Yay just made the EDD only to get yeeted at the last 5 mins of stage 3 by the connection-.-

[jolly hazel]

hidden swarm size coefficient smaller than usual

same reason why random haz 5 missions can have 50 glyphids per wave

[sinful oyster]

Did the last dread stage 3 DD not have an active AI for anyone else? Just no reaction to getting pounded

[deep plover]

True or false apathy is worse than death. As a rotting corpse at least serves this wretched plant

Also Baki is better than FMAB and that's a fact

If u disagree ur small and I rep your body weight

[random rampart]

...what?

How is this about drg and deep dives lol

[deep plover]

@random rampart mate I don't even remember writing that

[random rampart]

Well, it's here and sent by you

[deep plover]

Oh well

[jolly hazel]

schizo moment

[jolly hazel]

was it the hiveguard?

[fallen jetty]

we had to reset a hivegaurd with a gunner shield a few days ago

[gloomy dome]

is it possible to do this solo? my friends cannot promote yet lol

[fallen jetty]

edd stage 2 will be tough but possible

[spring mauve]

i can do the deepdive with you if you want

[fallen jetty]

i prob couldnt do it

[gloomy dome]

i'd love to but its 1:44am rn lmao

[spring mauve]

aight, its that time in the pm where i am

[pine epoch]

Help them through promotion

[gloomy dome]

Theres only like 3-5 level gap.. im kinda ahead of them cuz im loving the game lmao

[coarse inlet]

It is, but it will be especially tough if it's your first time doing it

[coarse inlet]

You could try and help to promote them before the weekly reset, i think

[wraith flame]

My brain exploded

[shrewd iron]

Deep dives reset on Tuesday, yeah?

Oops, now I see the timer, my b

[deep plover]

Thursday

[subtle sonnet]

Personally tried much the same thing this week (got dragged into the game by friends, myself, but solo deep dive almost immediately after it unlocked since they had already finished it). Regular deep dive was honestly pretty okay, got it first try, though it definitely was stressful. Got rolled by elite dive though. Stage 1 was okay, stage 2 felt doable but I was barely getting through waves and pretty much speedrunning against my revive limit, so I decided to drop it for the time being
Biggest thing I found is that you absolutely need a good 'get off me' option. Whether that takes the form of a strong wave clear or a good escape option, just something to get out when you get jumped. Personally, it was breach cutter+dash perk, and even with those, I think the majority of my downs were to getting jumped on by enemies I didn't notice/spawned on top of me and reacting too slow, be it slashers, exploders, or mactera
Also, for the regular deep dive, I found mining out the entire first cave for nitra helped a lot. Hazard 2.5 enemies on solo are pretty chill, so it's a good place to stack up if the generation allows for it

[burnt sandal]

(the hazard on regular DD at the start is haz 3 though)

[subtle sonnet]

(Huh. Point still stands, but my bad, thought it was lower for some reason)

[sinful oyster]

Nah it was the OG one. It also spawned on the other side of a wall. Wouldn't even scream.

[jolly hazel]

weird

[hard topaz]

Hey guys, I'm wondering if there are any recent solo scout videos doing elite dives? I'm curious to see it happen - I can't fathom the scout being able to do it, but I've become curious

[rustic shuttle]

it's possible i wouldn't recommend it tho

[barren perch]

think it depends more on what the objectives are

[rustic shuttle]

no it doesn't it depends on your resolve, your inner dwarf, your masterfull mining skill and the level of immunity on damage on your soul.

[fleet flax]

I hate this deep dive

Are they all the same across each platform?

[echo storm]

for the most part yeah

[fleet flax]

Well I hate the spitball that sits right behind the first levels landing zone

[wraith shard]

I've noticed an increased trend of "Welcome mat" spitballers.

[fleet flax]

He’s not that annoying

We just don’t get along very well

[wraith shard]

Imagine if it were just a stationary plantlike creature that just observed what you were doing from afar.

It'd make the dives a bit easier for sure, haha

[jolly hazel]

nothing will be as funny as the three spitballer welcome party I had last week

[safe gulch]

... I hate to imagine it

Welcome party by Nemesis

Like, gasp

Robots learn how to camp, those filthy rust buckets

[frank sparrow]

room for one more

[frail plume]

me when heightened senses

[deep plover]

Yes, I think the funniest thing I've had happen is the nemesis get crushed by the drop pod as we're dropping down

[river pawn]

how hard's this weeks EDD?

[deep plover]

Eh, starts off with cave leech cluster on-site refining and morkite collection

Goes to 10 aquarqs, black box mactera plague which is bleh,

and then we have escort duty 1 stop with 2 alien eggs

It's not too bad, I think the hardest thing is second stage but I've gotten unlucky on first with a hiveguard spawning

[jolly hazel]

easier than normal

egg 1 for stage 3 escort is next to spawn room

also excess nitra

[boreal glade]

500 nitra on stage one

[river pawn]

oof yea that first stage is easy

[night zephyr]

Only advice I have for this week's EDD: stage 2 do the black box immediately. If you wait, you'll be dealing with endless point extraction horde + black box horde.

[old widget]

good advice

alternately start it right as you're mopping up the first MC-announced swarm

[jolly hazel]

does black box cancel swarms

[old widget]

we had oddly low spawns for BB, anyone else notice that?

[jolly hazel]

like starting dozer

[old widget]

PE swarms (announced and ambient) don't stop for nothin'

in other primary objectives (like mining) I believe the BB does block announced swarms

[jolly hazel]

oh I mean the announced swarms

epic pe moment

yeah incorporating the PE swarms into the black box

was very low

basically soloed it lol

overall low amount of bugs tbh

on edd

its that hidden swarm size coefficient im telling ya lol

[old widget]

did it with 4p, and yeah, the encounter strength parameter seemed to roll really low

[jolly hazel]

I dont see it talked about at all on the wiki

idk why they don't mention it

[old widget]

last time I asked about it it was "too obscure / too much detail"

but ultimately if someone were to just build the page I doubt it would be rejected

this spreadsheet describes all the various parameters and how they can roll for various haz levels: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ygMn4sHAx0jvgRK0qa9LAOIcETnznkh1MtVLgsfu0ik/htmlview#gid=0

(ignore the haz 6/7, a modder created the doc, the haz 1 ~ 5.5 data is correct though)

"Encounter wave strength" and "Normal wave strength" are variables that control how many "points" worth of bugs can get spawned per swarm or ambient wave

so there's definitely a game mechanic under the hood that produces a fair bit of variability

[jolly hazel]

huh

so that doc is saying there's a 9% chance of 6 specials?

on haz 5

oh no

[old widget]

IIRC "enemy diversity" controls the cap on how many different kinds of "normal" enemies can spawn in a wave/swarm

[jolly hazel]

disruptive enemy

it is hard capped 3

[jolly hazel]

wow thanks for posting this

lots of really good info

[old widget]

there's another doc that describes the stuff in more detail but I'll DM it to you (last time I posted it here it got yanked as "too focused on modding" which I suppose is not entirely wrong)

[jolly hazel]

2 disruptive maximum on haz 4 and below is also very useful info

thought it was always 3

[glossy walrus]

oh huh, I had seen that doc multiple times before and never caught that disruptive enemy column

guess I never scrolled that far over, always thought it was 3 for everything too

definitely explains all those times when I'm counting disruptives to know when I don't have to worry about bulks and then the 3rd just won't show up

[jolly hazel]

assume bulk till proven otherwise!

[glossy walrus]

and getting 3 non bulks is a great feeling of safety

though since then I've finally learned to recognize the sound of a bulk from a distance (and not get it confused with an oppressor who is annoyingly louder than a bulk despite being far less threatening), so it's not as much of an issue anymore

[jolly hazel]

yeah the dread laugh

instantly provokes view panning for me

[lapis copper]

2nd stage of deep dive. 3 bulks. Some oppressors. Nemesis. What is this

[jolly hazel]

hoxxes

[lapis copper]

Basically this deep dive:

1. Hey this is ok
2. WTH IS THIS BS
3. AHHHHHHH HIVEMIND AHHHHHHH

[scenic forge]

what happen in deep dives if you got left behind, does your deep dive stage count as completed or failed?

I know that you respawn at the next stage, but I want to know if there's any downside of leaving a dwarf behind

[sinful oyster]

No downside. Unless you count your morals a loss

[scenic forge]

I see

[sick hull]

I’m convinced that devs trolled us by making dd1 easy to throw us off this week

[storm torrent]

this weeks edd is quite nasty

for solo play

i think

[lament musk]

Stage 2 is definitely a gut punch, but if you make it through that you're basically home scot free
All the nitra you're given goes a long way

[lapis copper]

On stage 2 everything was kinda fine (normal dd) but then we called the drop pod... Let's just say, it didn't go well

[sand terrace]

Are deep dives vastly different from pc to console

This week's deep dive was like chill and bone chillingly cold

[night zephyr]

Vastly in the sense that they both are procedurally generated separately using separate cave generation systems... So yes

[sand terrace]

Ah

Do they use the same rng tables so they're like staggered or entirely different rng tables

[quick coyote]

Nemesis Camping the omoran in stage 3 edd can go fuck itself

[fresh girder]

i just lost a dd because of a bug

you can go see the bug discussion

to see what happened

3rd stage

[merry tartan]

was playing in a group of 4 .. 3rd Stage
while fighting the hive dreadnought (3 glowing bits one) after we had it down to like 75% health we could not damage it any further
it was at the point where we where supposed to damage his 3 weakspots and we got them down to like 80% each but then nothing
completely invulnerable no matter what we tried

[merry tartan]

ah yes we where in the same game .. a shame kicking me (engi with Beastmaster) didnt work

[fresh girder]

well we all suffered together

and you did tell me to do it in the end so

if you go to bug discussion you can see

[merry tartan]

yes no hard feelings from my side towards you

[fresh girder]

what really happened