Gotta use your secondary/nades/support item
#deep-dive-discussion
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glossy marlin
yup
the c4 is a weapon
axes are weapons
the guy was a freeze driller that wasn't finishing his kills
left sleet
use your secondary
no way you're at 3 bars if you're low on both primary and secondary
tulip idol
resupplying on 3.5 is fine if your hp really matters there
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Driller is probably my least liked character but c4 is great, used it on multiple elims to just rip the ears off hiveguard instantly, just gotta be spacially aware of your teammates(and they of you of course)
glossy marlin
@tulip idol please don't resupply on 3.5 bars unless you read that the EDD has extra nitra
tranquil apex
I do use both of my guns but i'm not going to purposely use my secondary for 10 minutes until you feel I can be justified for refilling
that's just silly
glossy marlin
@tranquil apex um... you should be using your secondary along with your primary to never have this happen
tulip idol
I think I resupply sometimes just for resupplier's hp and it's fine
left sleet
there's 3 other people who have to play with you so it's pretty selfish tbh
but it depends on the edd as well
if you're playing DD, I probably would be more lenient
but I'd be annoyed if you called it on stage 1 and you have 3 bars
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Like if you're at 3.5 bars and almost dead, don't see any sugar, sure
left sleet
you need to manage your ammo better
tulip idol
I can carry with one hp but negating risks is important so you better refill your hp any way in critical situations
tranquil apex
it's not selfish, the EDD even this week had plenty of nitra for my team of 4 that did it. You're taking this as me saying I dont use my secondary when I do use it all the time
tulip idol
also digging 2 eggs at once is nothing lol
glossy marlin
@tulip idol I mean, I want 0% chance of failure
tulip idol
4 eggs is already smth
tulip idol
there is no risk if you can handle it lol
tranquil apex
doing 1 egg at a time is w/e that's fine if that's how the team wants to do it
tulip idol
but if you can't...
tranquil apex
we did 1 egg at a time for this weeks edd personally
tulip idol
2 eggs is more like skill issue
left sleet
the only way you're getting 3/4 with 1.5 clips on your primary is if you pretty much never use your secondary
glossy marlin
^^
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We did.. 1 egg till swarm, cleared swarm, then 2 eggs from there
tulip idol
I mean if someone calls that he doesn't want 2 eggs then fine, you should do 1 egg at a time
glossy marlin
the guy who I kicked triggered a double swarm
tulip idol
to not be selfish
glossy marlin
and we KNEW it would be a double swarm
and we WARNED HIM
(it was egg 5 and 6)
and he kept going
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Randoms gonna rando lol
glossy marlin
like 🙂
tulip idol
swarms are rng, how you knew lol
left sleet
when I play EDDs, I always ask teammates if they want to do a drop or if it's ok to grab something
those decisions affect the team =x
glossy marlin
@tulip idol if you don't get swarms on the first 4 eggs, you get swarmed on the last 2 eggs - it's basic math
you get 2 swarms on 6 egg missions
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Also on final stage EDD we had like 5 resupplies and just kept dropping one for every wave lol
tulip idol
so it was last 2 eggs
then it's very easy to just load them into the mule and get out
glossy marlin
the guy is trolling
tranquil apex
Also on final stage EDD we had like 5 resupplies and just kept dropping one for ...
yeah, this weeks edd has plenty of nitra. We left supply drops when we went to the pod in both the second and third level because we had so much....
left sleet
he's saying his teammate grabbed two consecutively
tulip idol
kiting max enemies is not that hard
glossy marlin
we hadn't done the black box
tranquil apex
idk why they're tryna say this weeks EDD is suffering for nitra
glossy marlin
@tranquil apex nobody is saying that - but you don't know if you are struggling for nitra until you get to the last stage
trim stream
It's not, competent scout and engi, plenty of nitra
tulip idol
scout should make to drop pod easily with double swarm
cause double swarm isn't actually literally double swarm
tranquil apex
when you leave the first stage with ~200 nitra you have a good indication that the nitra for the rest of the dive will probably be fine
tulip idol
enemies start despawning and there's actually less enemies than if you trigger it one by one
left sleet
not really
last week's EDD, we needed all the nitra on the third stage
you're wrong
glossy marlin
^^
tranquil apex
I didnt have any issues with last weeks edd at all, it was the easiest of the 3 levels actually
even with the SD
glossy marlin
it is good practice to not waste nitra
trim stream
Well last week it was low O2 refinery so.. needed the oxygen from the nitra more than anything lol
left sleet
I know a lot of people who had trouble with last week's 3rd stage
I don't think I'm in the minority there
tranquil apex
well yeah but you can just call 1 supply for each pump line and be fine
how is that hard
left sleet
if you can't get the nitra?
tulip idol
I think I just covered everything in goo last week's edd and it worked out 
left sleet
we lost a lot of time just getting the pump lines and finding them because of O2
tulip idol
I won with 3 people which ranks were not higher than 50 or smth lol
trim stream
I think we're just trying to encourage you to be a little more strategic with resupplies, if your group was fine with it, no big
tranquil apex
if you're losing due to o2 while trying to make the pump lines then your team screwed up
im sorry
tulip idol
they even killed me 2 times and those were my only deaths
left sleet
if you're losing due to O2 making pump lines, you don't have enough nitra
why aren't you getting this
be strategic with your supplies
talk to your teammates
don't be a dick
tranquil apex
because it's not a nitra issue when you can ride the pipe back 10 seconds and get o2
🤦♂️
left sleet
you still have to dig there and build the pipe
if you don't have the nitra, you don't have the O2
tranquil apex
yes just have the driller drill it
tulip idol
I think I planted only one pod in the middle of the pipe
left sleet
because you need to do a drop to have the O2
tulip idol
and I was the only one that used it probably
so pods for o2 don't matter that much on refinery
depends on map tho
tranquil apex
yeah, idk how they're dying trying to setup the pipes due to o2
tulip idol
that's a green move
tranquil apex
no you forgot it's my fault for not using every last bullet before resupplying
somehow
left sleet
calling a resupply because only you wasted all your primary ammo is selfish
tulip idol
not really
tranquil apex
what
tulip idol
there are some weapons that can't be spent fast
left sleet
if you didn't try to manage your ammo at all, I think it's selfish
tranquil apex
how is it selfish when you take just your 1 and the team eventually takes theirs
it's not like ur taking 2 resupplies
left sleet
because if the team doesn't need to use it now, you wasted ammo
tulip idol
and being low dps for the next several mins when you have nitra to spend... is not good
tranquil apex
if i'm all out of ammo odds are my team is atleast at half
tulip idol
some weapons just don't meant to be spent and meant to be wasted
tulip idol
unless you appear in some critical situations where its economy will save you
tulip idol
generally yes, you better combo your weps well but I tell you there are really ammo saving weapons
you don't have to spend it all
tranquil apex
you could argue randomly calling a droppod is selfish beacuse yes it shouldnt be random it should be near an obj or somewhere you know they'll be
tulip idol
how you land drop pod near objective lol
left sleet
I wouldn't care about the drop as long as you ask your teammates
tranquil apex
maybe at the bottom where people are throwing eggs to or by the black box or something
or by the refinery
left sleet
but I wouldn't do something like that on my own
tulip idol
I think I called it randomly this edd just because I mixed it up with turrets 4 button
tranquil apex
😭
tulip idol
but it turned out to be good since I was placing turret in the middle of tunnel for EM Discharge
and we stayed in that tunnel to the very swarm randomly
tranquil apex
hardest level this week is the first one but once you get past that should be fine from my teams experience
tulip idol
so it was kinda super calculated
tranquil apex
third level can be rough if you cant handle swarms good
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Still don't have em discharge :( but got exe for lok so it's ok lol
tulip idol
and I was almost out of hyperprop too so it paid out
tulip idol
you know no matter the primary ammo having hyperprop is really important
especially when you driller plays facemelter and dies 12 times
tranquil apex
hyperprop is what I always use as engi
tulip idol
and gunner doesn't have good single target
trim stream
Idk.. my breach cutter saved my ass a bunch this edd
And exe does respectable damage(not as much as hyper but.. eh)
tranquil apex
hyperprop is engi 😛
left sleet
and gunner doesn't have good single target
feels like only bulldog volatile bullets, but that's if you can even burn them
tulip idol
me and Ailen were both 1k+ ranked greybeards carrying 2 greenbeards this edd
left sleet
are you playing random when you do the edds?
tulip idol
uhhh I didn't stay that long I think to get those numbers I was more like supportish
Ailen was doing all the resses as scout
I was doing my job with hyperprop and discharge - but it requires to get bugs in discharge range while we also had decent carpet bomber
very nice
I was 1hp few times too but I survived and continued my hyperproping
more like it carries yourself while your team does smth on its own
left sleet
how do people get turret discharge working on maps where they're constantly on the move?
I can't get myself to enjoy it =x
tulip idol
while driller with facemelter lies like on a beach on stage 3 lol
if only you replace it
glossy walrus
I brought ntp gunner, very comfy on stage 3
left sleet
unfinished turrets? you mean call to move it?
tranquil apex
I used goo for this weeks edd bc I wanted to have some fun and my team would call for the 'goo man' whenever a swarm was coming 😂 they loved it for stage 3
tulip idol
ntp is kinda nice weapon to have with lack of nitra
I like calling turret back to quickly reload its ammo
left sleet
that's quite a different way to play it hm
so you have the turret flying around with the effect when you call it to another spot?
tulip idol
I don't think you can hit it while it's flying
trim stream
Yea as long as you build it once, and don't recall it only move it, it will keep the effect
I believe I saw a YouTube vid where you can proc it mid flight
tulip idol
so what it's not really useful
trim stream
Emergency aoe/cool factor :p
left sleet
if you proc'd it right before you move it, you could get the mob in between that location and where you are, no?
lol
tulip idol
also Subby's T5 Arc kills swarmers nice on its own
in case you went far from turret
I mean more like mod, not turret arc
left sleet
for turret arc, you can move the built turret infinitely after the first build and proc on the turret?
tulip idol
it's the same I think
left sleet
I'm surprised that's not a bug
left sleet
oh, it only works for discharge then?
tulip idol
I mean you get some slight good aoe
from 1 turret
which will stop bugs but only in like 1m radius or smth
left sleet
I'll need to give it a try. The idea of having to rebuild and shoot the turret put me off it before
tulip idol
you can do it in tight tunnel without building I guess
left sleet
I didn't think you could avoid it altogether by just building once
left sleet
quite neat
@tulip moth do you use the single turret with this?
the turret discharge
trying it right now and the playstyle is so different
glossy walrus
double turret discharge is crazy yeah, so much coverage
left sleet
just cumbersome constantly moving
I'm used to recalling them
normally I'm just focused on shooting
yeah it's quite efficient
left sleet
the AOE is quite satisfying
Is the effect based on number of shots or is it luck-based?
glossy walrus
it needs to proc an electric bullet to get the discharge
also 1.5s icd
good damage in a huge area for on average 2 bullets
plus very low friendly fire multiplier
median fog
Shout out to last week's morkite refining mission
Honeslty would love to know the seed and just do it on haz 5 for challenging fun
Man I wish I beat it
Rock and stone along
north urchin
Opps wrong chat..
balmy axle
yeah i agree that was a fun hard mission
digital viper
WARNING to anyone going to do this week's EDD:
I can confirm that the third mission is repeatedly causing crashes for some players. Two people on my last team couldn't finish the 3rd mission due to host crashes, and while hosting my game crashed near the end of that mission (which almost never happens).
wraith shard
O
Seems anecdotal, any subreddit posts about it? Thanks for the warning tho for others.
My squad finished it flawlessly without any crashes
yesterday
Those crashes could be due to the huge amount of swarms
and their pcs being "weak"
just a guess
or could be some coding error not sure
digital viper
Seems anecdotal, any subreddit posts about it? Thanks for the warning tho for ot...
My game almost never crashes and before this incident TWO of the three players on my team said their hosts crashed on mission 3. Seems to be happening to a lot of people.
wraith shard
My game almost never crashes and before this incident TWO of the three players o...
Still pretty anecdotal, the subreddit would be filled with it if it was a real issue, you can still report it to the developers. Or make a subreddit posts asking if others faced this.
3 hosts is not enough sample size
to come to a concrete conclusion
I'm not saying you are lying
If you say so, probably they crashed
but sometimes it just happens
There was a lot of swarms in the last stage
maybe your pc or their pc couldn't handle it
needs a lot of computational power
AKA if it was a modern pc then that it could be an actual problem, or could still be a coincidence
can't know until the devs check it out
digital viper
AKA if it was a modern pc then that it could be an actual problem, or could stil...
My PC is very new and more than ample for DRG, and my game crashed, not the clients. Hasn't ever crashed on this PC.
wraith shard
My PC is very new and more than ample for DRG, and my game crashed, not the clie...
Specs? What cpu gpu and ram?
As I said, the sheer amount of swarm might have crashed your pc
digital viper
Bruh, I used to run this on a 1050 and Intel i7 and crashes were ultra rare.
I'm now on a Ryzen 5800x and 3060ti, and have never crashed until that mission.
woeful patrol
You fool, you need at least a GTX69420 to be able to use this game without crashing
wraith shard
Bruh, I used to run this on a 1050 and Intel i7 and crashes were ultra rare.
I'm...
Crashes can be coincidental sometimes, as I said, the subreddit would be filled with crash reports if this was a mass problem, since you have a 3060Ti and a 5800x, its deifnitely not your hardware, and maybe some issue, report it to the developers, not a mass issue, but its an issue then.
I wasn't trying to insult you or be rude i was just curious and trying my best not to jump to conclusions
good day
sage kraken
While playing with my friend duo edd,he got crashed too
He's pc isn't the weak one
wraith shard
While playing with my friend duo edd,he got crashed too
He's pc isn't the weak o...
Ooo
y'all should report it
make a bug report
and make a reddit post
Sometimes its a coincidence but maybe something else going on here
For me in 120hrs the game has crashed only once
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If your PC literally crashes while playing a game, that’s generally your PC. Drivers/hardware stability/stress testing are where I’d start. Also #bug-discussion is the place to chat and troubleshoot, pinned messages there has a faq
open ledge
Also I’d Verify your game files too
jade tusk
And check your mods (If you have any installed). Maybe one of them is conflicting or heavily outdated
glossy dock
I did EDD Scout with two Gunners and spent most of it terrified to sidestep. It went well though.
SO much thoom thoom
jade tusk
Best position when there's multiple gunners is behind them watching their back
hollow dust
hey I just finished this weeks edd after 3 attempts and as soon as we got into the drop pod and finished the last mission the game crashed to desktop with an engine error message
is there a way to report this? im a bit miffed but i more want whatever caused this to be fixed
I have the error log
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There should have been an option to send the error report on PC at least
Also #bug-discussion is a better place for such things
copper shore
is there no elite deep dive stream today?
jolly hazel
its friday
copper shore
yes it is
from the twitch channel
"We stream the new Deep Dives live from our office each Thursday at 1PM UTC+1 and the Elite Deep Dives each Friday at 1PM UTC+1."
maybe it's out of date
jade tusk
Remember to convert that to your time zone
left sleet
It's currently 3pm utc+1. I guess they didn't stream today
hazy sleet
I've also experienced one crash on both deep dives on stage 2.
halcyon zealot
How many resupplies is expected total for a DD or EDD? How much flexibility is there in not getting all nitra, using all ammo efficiently?
jade tusk
DD has lot of Nitra
EDD has a fair amount of Nitra to play with, but would recommend to be a sparing on Stage 1 of it
soft token
what’s the best engineer set up for the EDD with overclocks ive got (two clean ammo overclocks for shotgun and breach cutter, Spinning Death for breach cutter, and Eraser for the Lok-1)
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How many resupplies is expected total for a DD or EDD? How much flexibility is t...
It’s pretty random, there’s no data-driven rule that says “you can always spend X resupplies by Y stage” or “you can skip Z nitra veins”
livid citrus
what’s the best engineer set up for the EDD with overclocks ive got (two clean a...
Breach cutter is useful, lots of spitballers especially on the third stage. Being able to kill those things with two BC shots from behind a wall is useful
halcyon zealot
I have been doing DD and saving hard, then having like 250 nitra at the end, which is nice, but maybe I can skip or be a bit more loose with it
lunar aspen
From experience it's better to call in a resupply and stay alive than die
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I have been doing DD and saving hard, then having like 250 nitra at the end, whi...
You can, until you get that one nasty level with very little nitra and then can’t. 😉 We’ve had a few EDDs in the past that have been very tight on nitra where people ended up killing dreads with pickaxes
soft token
Breach cutter is useful, lots of spitballers especially on the third stage. Bein...
guessing by that i assume you’re suggesting the ammo overclock over spinning death
jolly hazel
a good metric is 2 resups per mining mission on edd max
larger missions can splurge because more nitra
livid citrus
Spinning death would kill a spitballer in one shot but it's also not as long range
soft token
so what about primary
warm light
From experience it's better to call in a resupply and stay alive than die
That's something I see a lot of people not understanding, it doesn't matter if you don't need the ammo, you need the health and there's no red sugar nearby.
shut oracle
depends, on shield disruption yes, otherwise u can play a bit on low health until ur <50% ammo on both weapons
always depends how much nitra there is, but i tend to save on first stage if i dont know whats in stage 2 and 3
warm light
Yeah it all depends on the situation, but too often I see people woth 5% health who refuse to heal before a fight just because they're good on ammo, then watch as they go down three times in the fight, often the third time they go down they'll be trying to resupply.
jade tusk
I rather go into a fight at near full health than little health
1 or 2 extra hits being taken can mean the matter of a success or failure
shut oracle
i sometimes just down myself on very low health cause u have bit more after revive
can do that easy anyway on scout 😂
or just grapple to roof and mine all the sugar for team
hoverclock lets me go suicide grapple i love it
tall meadow
I’ve ran this EDD for new folks 7th time now, the placement of everything and the amount of nitra you have roughly per cave is now seared in head
shut oracle
just ran it once yet and we failed at 3 but as its just cosmetic oc idc
got swarmed too hard in the end
jade tusk
I might make a 2nd attempt at this EDD. Just got a real unlucky hand on my first attempt
shut oracle
stage 1 was tough too iirc
but thats always if edd with shield disruption for me
i tend to ignore the small stuff cause they blop themselves on my thorns but that hurts in long run without shield
quiet wyvern
gonna solo the deep dives today
floral meteor
Yeah I usually leave the third stage if I don't get it first try
tall meadow
gonna solo the deep dives today
This EDD definitely easier to solo
digital chasm
gonna solo the deep dives today
good luck
quiet wyvern
well here goes nothin
shut oracle
do u also have bosco in solo deep dives? never tried
if yes can just kite forever and let bosco do the work 😂
soft token
depends, on shield disruption yes, otherwise u can play a bit on low health unti...
this man forgot about EDD being Haz 4/Haz 5
where things just delete your entire shield in one hit
gleaming oar
how are the deep dives this week?
shut oracle
where things just delete your entire shield in one hit
think it still takes 3 hits of grunt to deplete it
soft token
think it still takes 3 hits of grunt to deplete it
how about you take 3 hits of this blunt
shut oracle
id love
soft token
call this strain Glyphid Swarm
soft token
how are the deep dives this week?
stage 1 of the DD and stage 2 of the EDD suck because of low oxygen, but they’re pretty chill otherwise due to the lack of dreadnoughts
shut oracle
hazeard 5
soft token
that’s the EDD though
quiet wyvern
dang
raw maple
This week edd is painful
cerulean lichen
This week edd is painful
it is far better than the last weeks tbf
as long your team cooperates, nothing can go wrong
jolly hazel
it can spawn two bulks next to the uplink/black box
but yeah no shitt low oxy with no mule
cerulean lichen
yep, we had two bulks actually (not a double bulk tho)
raw maple
Imo this is much harder than last week
Can't even beat stage 1
I beat last week on my second try and yet this week i been stuck on stage 1 doing my 6th attempt
scenic finch
stage 1 of the DD and stage 2 of the EDD suck because of low oxygen, but they’re...
Stage 1 of the normal dd is fine
Black box is in a good spot
Edd is hard this week though
soft token
yeah but oxygen cringe
scenic finch
yeah but oxygen cringe
Aight
raw maple
Is there leeches in stage 2 and 3 in edd
wicked roost
Not as far as I saw
raw maple
Ik about that
wicked roost
a couple in the last one, I think
raw maple
I always use heightened sense but might change it
wicked roost
but you have more to worry about on the ground
tranquil apex
first stage was the only stage that was a real pain if you can handle swarmers
last stages issues just come from the swarms
I had went goo randomly bc I wanted to mess around with it so the swarms just died automatically anyways in my run
raw maple
If you attack a leech while it is trying to grab you. Would the leech attack cancel
jolly hazel
no it still comes for u
hoary cove
leaches act strangely when shot at with different things. Iv freed myself instantly from a leach and a few grabbers by power attacking them
wraith shard
Bruh DDs feel like a chore, really easy. People, when I was really new, made it sound like something that's very hard lmao.
EDDs are certainly challening and fun.
tranquil apex
agreed, I did this weeks EDD first when I typically do the DD first and it made the DD feel like a chore as you said
tranquil apex
because typically im looking forward to the EDD
tranquil apex
felt great to be a goo man
wraith shard
😆
tranquil apex
team would jump into the goo and shout for me whenever they saw a swarm 😂
wraith shard
Lol
jolly hazel
Bruh DDs feel like a chore, really easy. People, when I was really new, made it ...
most new players are bad
wraith shard
most new players are bad
O
what's a "new" player?
I mean
Someone who hasn't promoted al the dwarfs?
or someone who just promoted his first dwarf?
jolly hazel
id say first promo? thats the earliest you can do it
wraith shard
Okie
jolly hazel
the latter
tranquil apex
I consider myself new i've only played for a couple months
jolly hazel
most people on 1st promo are doo doo, unless they have co-op and fps experience
jolly hazel
I consider myself new i've only played for a couple months
eh, depends on game time too
tranquil apex
I've got every 1 promoted atleast once driller is twice and engis like lvl 21
tranquil apex
127 hours across 2 months
glossy dock
I have Rock and Stone.
jolly hazel
yeah I sunk a lot of hours in very quickly as well
tranquil apex
yeah steam says 127
wraith shard
for me steam+xbox gamepass is around 125hrs,
But in game time is 60hrs
i guess i spent 60hrs afk'ing or drinking beer
😂
jolly hazel
there is a lot of waiting
wraith shard
but i'd say i'm a half decent scout
jolly hazel
tbh
jolly hazel
but yeah lots of afk time too lol
wraith shard
Yeee
But yea basically, I can do EDDs after 1 month of getting the game, so either people who say its impossible
are as you said new to fps games
or not constantly improving
tranquil apex
~90 hours of ingame time
wraith shard
okie
tranquil apex
3d 17hr
wraith shard
okie
jolly hazel
usually the last one
jolly hazel
lots of people either take time to get better or don't want to
wraith shard
O
tranquil apex
I play pretty much only haz 4 and I think the EDD's start at 4 right?
jolly hazel
4.5
tranquil apex
so it's not that much of a difference for me
wraith shard
I play pretty much only haz 4 and I think the EDD's start at 4 right?
4-5.5
jolly hazel
basically the same hazard as 4
wraith shard
Yea EDDs aren't that hard
I mean
they are
but people overestimate
if you are all well co-ordinated
jolly hazel
they do require a pulse from all 4 members
wraith shard
its pretty doable
wraith shard
they do require a pulse from all 4 members
Yep
tranquil apex
oh for sure, the way people talk about em I was pretty nervous my first few
jolly hazel
which is a big ask
wraith shard
Ye
wraith shard
oh for sure, the way people talk about em I was pretty nervous my first few
Same! I thought i would never be able to do one
then i did my first DD it was a breeze
tranquil apex
I actually didnt do the EDD my first week that I did the normal dive bc I let the hype/nerves dissuade me
wraith shard
O
jolly hazel
oh for sure, the way people talk about em I was pretty nervous my first few
its hard to judge someone else's skill without playing and its best to bring your A Game every time instead of wiping to carelessness
wraith shard
hm
tranquil apex
for sure, always talk precautionary measures if possible
wraith shard
Ye
My point is, in short, EDD are grossly overestimated in terms of difficulty
Maybe its just my short sighted perspective
Or i've been lucky with matchmaking
couldn't say
tranquil apex
I'd agree, I think EDD's just require a bit more thinking then a normal haz 4 dive mainly because you dont want to wipe on the third stage and waste all that time
wraith shard
Yep!
tranquil apex
if you can get past stage 1 you should be good to go
wraith shard
Ye
tranquil apex
was my experience
wraith shard
I had a great team, it was a breeze, stage 1
And i'm good at scout, idk about other classes, would be harder for me
if its a bad team
then its really hard
jolly hazel
I might skip this week edd
what is giving you issues
wraith shard
Damn DD and EDD took about the same time for this week for me
jolly hazel
Or i've been lucky with matchmaking
probably this, and you have picked up game nuances quickly
tranquil apex
I was driller and it went fine just trying to CC everything around my team to give them time to kill what they could
jolly hazel
I'm pretty good and I still struggle with edd if two people are not pulling their own weight
wraith shard
probably this, and you have picked up game nuances quickly
Ye, I get nice people most of the time, and yes i've been actively trying to learn from guides, from other players and other greybeards here. I love this game, I wanna be the best lol :P
I suppose most people play it casually and maybe 2-3 times a week.
I've been playing it everyday for 3-4hrs
wraith shard
I'm pretty good and I still struggle with edd if two people are not pulling thei...
YES
that's universal
I suppose
jolly hazel
1 person can be carried
wraith shard
I was driller and it went fine just trying to CC everything around my team to gi...
O
raw maple
We got the dread and the bet-c killed but got overwhelmed by guards and praetorians during the unlink
wraith shard
We got the dread and the bet-c killed but got overwhelmed by guards and praetori...
Ooof didn't encounter the bet-c thankfully
tranquil apex
We got the dread and the bet-c killed but got overwhelmed by guards and praetori...
you shouldnt be fighting the bet-c
jolly hazel
We got the dread and the bet-c killed but got overwhelmed by guards and praetori...
if possible kite the dread out of the bet c room
raw maple
We killed the bet-c though
tranquil apex
yeah but it probably wittled the team down atleast a bit i imagine?
wraith shard
^
tranquil apex
could ask ur gunner to go neurotoxin if possible
raw maple
We had no problem with dealing with bet-c and the dread it was the unlink part that rolled us
There was so many grunts
wraith shard
O
Stage 3 has x5 the amount of grunts 💀
Well not literally but that's gonna be very challenging then
tranquil apex
neurotoxin would slow them down, you could also try to build more CC if getting swarmed is the issue
raw maple
I dont like defending objectives
tranquil apex
what class are u playing
raw maple
Gunner
tranquil apex
you could take minigun and have ur driller go cryo. Using like bullet hell as your OC
if you dont have neuro
tranquil apex
are you able to try and buld more for cc at all? im not the most familiar with gunner as he's one of my least played classes
I'm more of a driller guy
im sorry I cant be the most helpful
tranquil apex
me either, i dont personally have neuro or bullet hell
which is why I went driller 😛
I use big bertha on my gunner atm
raw maple
I want big bertha
lunar aspen
I solo'd Engineers Hammer with an Engineer since it felt appropriate
graceful needle
Burning hell is my only cc for gunner
Burning hell is chad, throw on aggressive venting with it and its a monster for swarm clearing
vagrant sluice
anyone boutta do the weekly normal dive? id like to have a full party
old widget
anyone boutta do the weekly normal dive? id like to have a full party
Host in a #lfg channel, plenty of takers this close to new dives day
quiet wyvern
Deep dives are all done
jade tusk
Congrats General
quiet wyvern
it wasn't complex, just gotta have the right builds, and know when and where to expect swarms, and when one does start approaching, find a spot where you'll be able to see them coming, and fight till they are all dead!
sonic anchor
finally
done my first edd
with a full team of randoms
man the happiness
second stage was the hardest tbh
jade tusk
Holy fuck Stage 3 of this EDD and I'm on 8 opps and 2 bulks
Beaten this EDD. ONe hell of a stage 3
hoary cove
Holy fuck Stage 3 of this EDD and I'm on 8 opps and 2 bulks
this is why we bring ifgs ladies and gentle dwarves
crisp pagoda
i havent beaten the third stage yet, ive gone through so many damn teams but we all either die on the 2nd or third stage
jade tusk
this is why we bring ifgs ladies and gentle dwarves
Or throw lots of cyro damage at the problem.
scenic finch
Burning hell is chad, throw on aggressive venting with it and its a monster for ...
Av burning hell, and volatile bullets is a really fun build
jade tusk
second stage was the hardest tbh
I say the first stage is the hardest. Shield disruption is pretty brutal as without shields. Chip damage adds up scary fast.
Stage 3 of last week EDD wants to have a word with you. Low 02 refinery with the pumps in pretty crap locations making a competent driller a must have
sonic anchor
I say the first stage is the hardest. Shield disruption is pretty brutal as with...
start of first stage was tough asf
i agree
had to leave my homies behind on second
since they died on the way to drop pod
wraith shard
dont even get me started on EDD stage 2
the amount of radioactive praetorians me and my squad to deal with was too much to count
had to call it off there since we all died
Even had a Bulk Detonator come and say hi and almost obliterate us
a competent gunner there is a must have since the shield is just priceless
sonic anchor
yes
agreed 100%
our gunner clutched like 3 times
also at least 2 iron wills on team
wraith shard
also, hurricane didnt really work all that well
cause i forgot that plasma burster missiles actually cripple your damage output by HALF
sonic anchor
also, hurricane didnt really work all that well
id say minigun or neuro cannon is a go to
wraith shard
and using salvo module on it would be a death sentence for me
i do have neurotoxin rounds for thunderhead, might try that tommorow, but minigun? i dont have lead storm for it
wraith shard
oh wait, i think i know which ones you talking about
wraith shard
i was lucky i had incendiary nades for gunner on me on 2nd stage, really helped clutch a bit
wraith shard
had volatile bullets on the bulldog so it helped with the opressors
but still, before i even try EDD, i might wanna grab a bit more of those good overclocks
one for hurricane for sure, and one for the minigun
scenic finch
I’d say rj might be a bit better for the edd
Got better use out of the extra pgl ammo compared to bc
jovial delta
I joined 2 deep dives today and got no rewards for either of them, who do I talk to about this lol
quiet wyvern
I joined 2 deep dives today and got no rewards for either of them, who do I talk...
if you already beat the dives once already, then the rewards won't be earned again, you'd have to wait till reset to earn rewards on the next set of dives
jovial delta
if you already beat the dives once already, then the rewards won't be earned aga...
So you only get the matrix cores on one DD? I'm newly promoted so still trying to figure everything out
quiet wyvern
one set of rewards each week, you beat the current set once, the rewards won't be earnable again, until they reset again
so yes
but actually from both
jovial delta
Ohhhh.
quiet wyvern
not just one dive, both regular and elite
jovial delta
I somehow thought you got rewards for the first 3 dives lol, I must have gotten that confused with the 3 ways to get cores, the weekly, DD, and EDD
quiet wyvern
well let's say for example you beat 2 stages of a dive, but fail on the third, you'll already have the first 2 rewards for that dive unlocked, so when you try again and actually beat it, you'll get the reward for the last stage for beating all three, but not the previous 2
cause you already previously completed stage 1 and 2
jade tusk
Though repeat runs still give you Gold, mining resources (If you get them from a hoarder spawn), and XP
halcyon zealot
Do people do dives more than once?
Are they strictly worse without cores on purpose?
meager skiff
I am missing an egg on the second mission in the normal deep dive, i have carved out each egg container thing to no avail
my best guess is it got teleported by either a pumpjack falling or a platform i placed? maybe bosco dropped it in the void
im not sure what to do
jade tusk
Do people do dives more than once?
Likely to help their friends or just help others beat it
unkempt saffron
Do people do dives more than once?
Yes of course, some do it with others to help them, some try to speedrun it to get the best time, some try to do it without getting any deaths, etc.
And of course, DDs also provide a hefty amount of gold and xp too
Such is life sometimes
unkempt saffron
Are they strictly worse without cores on purpose?
Also, yes so that players dont simply farm cores from doing a single weeks DD or EDD
Oof, what character are you using to get the solo deathless run?
halcyon zealot
Yes of course, some do it with others to help them, some try to speedrun it to g...
I enjoy doing hazard 2 with greens and just kinda babysitting, I guess when I got gud I'll deep dive same way
unkempt saffron
Sweet, kinda curious howd you handle stage 3 with those swarms
unkempt saffron
I enjoy doing hazard 2 with greens and just kinda babysitting, I guess when I go...
You can do DDs now, they arent terribly challenging, its really the EDDs thatll give you a headache
I was thinking that clean sweep pgl would be better to manage the swarmers, or maybe my previous engi wasnt using plasma trails on his BC
vale jolt
this elite deep dive was fucked
steady jolt
^^^
unkempt saffron
Fair enough, gotta give this edd another try when i have the time
vale jolt
FREAK of nature
halcyon zealot
You can do DDs now, they arent terribly challenging, its really the EDDs thatll ...
@unkempt saffron mean more being able to carry rather than contribute. Knowing to kill things an keep folks alive but not just do stuff and survive
When able to see what team is doing more than what I'm doing
Kill lots of bugs really fun
brave hare
Tri-jaws scare me the most.
steady jolt
tri jaws were fucking us up
unkempt saffron
<@322346624460259330> mean more being able to carry rather than contribute. Know...
You can most definitely carry in a DD, the max haz is only 3.5 after all, basically its near impossible for everyone in your team to die unless if theyre inexperienced or they got leeched, grabbered, trawlered etc.
For EDDs on the other hand, thats a different story
unkempt saffron
Basically I'm baby
Its your choice after all, but just give the DD a shot, its not too painfully difficult
unkempt saffron
Just play haz 4 and 5 regularly and youll get the edd drift
brave hare
You tried the other classes ?
neat swan
Question. And I doubt the answer is yes, but the voice lines when you do it have me curious.
does the speed boost of max level sweet tooth trigger off vampire? Or is the player saying "RED SUGAR!" just a left over voiceline from getting health back in general.
Because if it DOES... that could potentially help avoid some messier situations in higher Haz missions like DD and EDD.
... If I could justify running both at once.
Like I said, doubt it worked like that, but I figured I'd ask.
neat swan
Damn.... Well, thanks for the test there anyways mate. Appreciate it!
brave hare
Order of test : Took damages off a cliff, killed a bug ( + 5 hp ) noticed nothing else, i went for a red sugar deposit and had the indicator right away
jolly hazel
fun little elite deep dive
3 bulks on stage 3
new kill record too ty swarmageddon
carpet bomber my love
neat swan
gotcha Eybiss.
Well. Good to know all the same. At the very least I'll know to just pick one or the other.
Tend to prefer vampire myself all in all.
wraith shard
i kept being told there were like a buncha bulks in stage 2, we got none, then only one in stage 3
the only parts that were really hard was the pod dropped in a shit location in stage 2 and molly was a total bitch about it, and stage 3 got a tiny bit rough but it wasn't awful
didn't even get any scout cosmetics 
brave hare
gotcha Eybiss.
Well. Good to know all the same. At the very least I'll know to ...
I forgot to mention, you're welcome :D
Vampire-Iron will saved me a couple time ( and the whole party some time )
unkempt saffron
i kept being told there were like a buncha bulks in stage 2, we got none, then o...
Spawns vary for bulks, so different runs will have different amount of bulks per stage
unkempt saffron
The amount of acid spitters in this edd made me want to commit an acid spitter genocide
jolly hazel
lol
its the radioactive aoe praetorians that piss me off the most
plus our scout was very conservative with cryo nades
wraith shard
its the radioactive aoe praetorians that piss me off the most
yeah we had a fuck ton of praets
jolly hazel
I dont believe it revives you
wild karma
https://files.catbox.moe/y6g0gh.png
Nice run, I see your scout had a few falls from heights 😂
halcyon zealot
i like the prateorian one for variety and the idea that they move in herds, but doozy of a swarm by far my favorite cause lotta dead bugs
vocal haven
Preatorian is the thicc boy
random rampart
Preatorian is the thicc boy
bulko boyo* 
vocal haven
:o
jade tusk
https://files.catbox.moe/y6g0gh.png
Good job on your run
jolly hazel
ty lol
driller dc at end of stage 1
thankfully that was the only stage we really needed a driller lol
wraith shard
one thing i can say about EDD stage 3 when playing as gunner?
Thunderhead with Neurotoxin rounds, its an absolute must
jolly hazel
idk about must but its meta
wraith shard
that thing let me survive a horde of praetorians, and menaces
and the poison works quite well against oppressors
wraith shard
i would have used the big bertha overclock but i dont have it, so...
jolly hazel
but ya it does keep surprisingly good dps for the debuffs it gets lol
jolly hazel
i would have used the big bertha overclock but i dont have it, so...
imo dont use big bertha on edd
neurotoxin is way better
if you have it
wraith shard
neurotoxins decrease direct damage. i can handle those, but i also need overclocks for the hurricane
preferably the jet fuel homebrew or whatever the firerate projectile speed overclock its called
vale falcon
Yep, jet fuel
wraith shard
cause id rather not wanna deal with plasma burster missiles or salvo module
and if i had a build for hurricane with salvo module i would have used it no issue if i combine it with the burst fire pistol, but ye
jolly hazel
jet fuel turns it into ghetto big bertha/minigun
salvo is fun for the memes but at this point I believe its a direct downgrade to autocannon
vale falcon
Direct upgrade because of the damage boost, but you gotta account the wonkyness
jolly hazel
I meant hurricane in general
everything it does the other primaries do better
also dmg boost is great but then unless u are unloading into praetorian butt or sea of bugs some rockets are probably getting wasted due to spread
jade tusk
Homebrew makes the Hurricane into a good single target killer, but it comes at the cost of being less effective in swarms
jolly hazel
yeah just bring funny magic exploding neurotoxin bulldog I guess
jade tusk
Most of the time. I run Frag missiles on my Hurricane
wraith shard
Also. plasma bursters are quite possibly a direct downgrade for the hurricane as well
blowthrough missiles with higher maneuverability at the cost of HALF of its damage. for EDD of any kind, id say its worthless
i mean, sure, you can focus your aim on one target so the missiles can hit it over and over again but thats more for single target damage
jade tusk
Plasma bursters has 1 use case
Stage 2 of the heart stone dig as it currently just instantly kills the rocks
west merlin
Just tried the EDD, we managed to get to the 3rd stage with 1 guy alive then spent like... 15 minutes running in circles reviving each other on the last stage without pulling a single egg or doing the black box.
It felt busier than a Point Extraction, we just never managed to clear all the enemies for that entire time
I guess just the occasional small spawns plus the Swarmers added up?
But the occasional Grunt spawns were absolutely insane you'd see like 20-30 fresh grunts coming out of the wall
And we had 2 bulk detonators spawn at once at one point! But managed to chain kill them
I'm very satisfied just from having finished the first 2 stages though
jade tusk
Swarmers really do add a lot of "weight" to the swarms
In Haz 5 they're faster than your normal sprinting speed so they'll catch up and nib your ankles and come in huge numbers so if you don't have good form of dealing with crowds you're gonna get chunked hard
digital chasm
bring the flamethrower then
jade tusk
Not everyone has flamethrower. Scout and Engie are generally gonna have a hard time with mass swarmer spam
quasi loom
I found this EDD sorta easy there were had parts but in total it was fairly simple
jade tusk
As a whole package. It's pretty simple, but the devil is in the modifiers it throws out.
Low 02 is always a constant reminder to hug Molly or else you'll drop. Shield disruption makes chip damage even more painful. Swarmagedon is a very hard area damage check to your set up
digital chasm
Not everyone has flamethrower. Scout and Engie are generally gonna have a hard t...
plasma bursters + cryo grenades
jade tusk
Limited supplies of each. 6 plasmas and 4 cryos. Scout at least can kite them with grapple and special power (assumes he has it) and the Cryos have better targets to be used on
open ledge
But the occasional Grunt spawns were absolutely insane you'd see like 20-30 fres...
Fat boy go brrrrr
west merlin
In Haz 5 they're faster than your normal sprinting speed so they'll catch up and...
Oh they didn't seem that bad to me but I was cryo driller and was really good against them
A flame driller might've been better. I only managed to get health from frozen enemies a handful of times
west merlin
Fat boy go brrrrr
Our Engy was going to bring Fat Boy and we were like "OK" until I remembered the enemies would have radiation resistance
Although we also all ran Elemental Insulation.
Which turned out to be not so good, very few pillars and few Praets and I didn't see a single Exploder
open ledge
Our Engy was going to bring Fat Boy and we were like "OK" until I remembered the...
I haven’t done the Edd yet
That’s smart tho
I just thought fat boy would be funny in that situation
west merlin
Probably better to bring RJ250 or something like that to have a lot of ammo
open ledge
I normally run clean sweep with the napalm build
west merlin
One of our problems was the Engy never got his sentries set up although they'd have run out of ammo on grunts in no time
open ledge
It works wonders
open ledge
One of our problems was the Engy never got his sentries set up although they'd h...
Sentries are clutch
west merlin
That'd probably have been good to
open ledge
The passive kills they get are insane
west merlin
Or a sticky flame build for me would've helped
Cryo was an OK choice against both dread and swarmers though and my teammates really shredded frozen enemies when they were alive
Even though every time I froze the dread it closed up instantly.
Glad I didn't bring the sludge pump though
open ledge
Do you think carpet bomber would be fine for this edd? Even tho there is dread first stage
jade tusk
Neruotoxin would probably help
teal torrent
whats a common driller EPC setup? im floating between a few and curious what others use, same for the cryo cannon
jade tusk
They'll generally fall around X-2-X-2-2 for the EPC with either of the clean overclocks it has
fickle rose
is 50:30 a good time for my first and solo deep dive
woeful patrol
whats a common driller EPC setup? im floating between a few and curious what oth...
22122 with Energy rerouting, it's one of the best for EPC mining which is still very common
hot cargo
Welp, I suck and I quit. "Oh, just solo EDD, It's easy af. git guud!" Died on the last stage in the whole when I went after some loot bugs for enough nitra to call down a resup next to the black box and ran out of revives. Grand total of deaths, 9.
jade tusk
Welp, I suck and I quit. "Oh, just solo EDD, It's easy af. git guud!" Died on th...
That's still pretty good for a Solo run!
west merlin
is 50:30 a good time for my first and solo deep dive
Winning your first deep dive at all is an achievement but 50 is extremely good time.
My first was over an hour
hoary cove
whats a common driller EPC setup? im floating between a few and curious what oth...
epc has alot of builds you can search up. Cryo cannon is easy, just take cold radiance and get close
west merlin
Welp, I suck and I quit. "Oh, just solo EDD, It's easy af. git guud!" Died on th...
Solo EDD is not easy at all it's one of the hardest things in the game. Getting to stage 3 by yourself is very impressive
fickle rose
Winning your first deep dive at all is an achievement but 50 is extremely good t...
it was a normal one
ill attempt the elite one tomorrow
west merlin
Although I suppose solo wouldn't be too bad on this one, esp for the low oxygen
west merlin
ill attempt the elite one tomorrow
Elite is a huge difficulty jump.
I've only just started even trying them and it's been more than 6 months since my first deep dive
They're harder than haz 5 missions (at least haz 5 no warnings missions)
fickle rose
i know, i'll give up after the first try
i just want the experience of failure and misery
west merlin
Worth a try yeah
devout wren
This weeks EDD is harder than normal (with the exception of a couple from like 3-4 weeks ago)
It’s definitely a challenge
Try to find a group to jump into a voice pod with, will make it much easier than no voice comms/organization
hot cargo
Solo EDD is not easy at all it's one of the hardest things in the game. Getting ...
I went in blind to the modifiers and stages and didn't build gunner at all for aoe. I went with my go to build that usually gets me the best results. Exhaustive venting on minigun, blowthrough and cold as the grave with lead spray on the burst. The swarmagedon on the last stage was did it. That and I called in another resup at the beginning of the third stage outside the drop pod thinking I would just camp out and let bosco pop all the eggs, but I got rushed down to the bottom.
jade tusk
I went in blind to the modifiers and stages and didn't build gunner at all for a...
With the knowledge you have. You know what's coming up so you can better plan for it on your next solo attempt
tropic plank
is it possible to rejoin deep dives after losing connection?
bother and i were doing a deep dive and the internet died. we were calling in drop pod on the third mission and now he doesnt get the rewards
jade tusk
is it possible to rejoin deep dives after losing connection?
Should be possible to rejoin if something like that happened
tropic plank
we tried and he was unable to
had no option to join me, and my invites werent sending
west merlin
I've had the same problem on a normal mission oddly enough
A couple days ago
So it may not have been your deep dive but some kind of... steam or DRG hosting problem
tropic plank
well i mean our internet died
the reason we dc'd was understandable its just that it wouldnt let him rejoin
west merlin
Weird it should have let him rejoin
opal minnow
Oh boy is the EDD spicy this week?
jade tusk
Lot of mean negative modifiers to play around with
mint pivot
Did my first deep dive today, finished it in an hour flat
jade tusk
Did my first deep dive today, finished it in an hour flat
Congrats!
mint pivot
Took so long to talk my buddy that hosts into it
jade tusk
The first DD isn't gonna be some speedrun. It's gonna be slow and steady
mint pivot
I was just impressed we did it in like 1:00:15 or something, like it was exact
digital chasm
EDD was tough, had a praetorian swarm, dreadnaught, and bulk det spawn on stage 2
lost stage 3 after the black box, somehow a shellback got into the bunker
steep vault
Only done 2 deepdives so far(not counting stage 1s of edds) my fastest time on one was about 50 flat 5 mins short of the trophy
jade tusk
EDD was tough, had a praetorian swarm, dreadnaught, and bulk det spawn on stage ...
Shellbacks. They'll fuck lot of shit up
mint pivot
Run armor breaking on most of my weapons specifically for them
digital chasm
armor break wont help when you're trapped in an enclosed space with one
mint pivot
Them and praets get hyper propellent pgled
jade tusk
Tight space with a shell back is one of my top 3 ways of a very quick death in DRG. Getting pinballed around so you can't get a clear shot on them
jade tusk
First rule of a bunker is always, always, always have a escape route unless it's a panic bunker
digital chasm
we did
jade tusk
I guess DRG told you "No. You're not allowed to win this time"
jade tusk
If there's an enemy in DRG I hate the most. It's shellbacks
Extreme knockback on hit, ignores gunny shield, can't be frozen, just common enough that you have to think about, and a range attack just to be a "F U" if you try to zipline above it
digital chasm
acid spitters, menaces, and swarmers, just a bunch of things that drop your shield so everything else can kill you faster
open ledge
edd stage 3 is tough
swarmers are and always have been my least favourite opponent
id be fine if they didnt exist
amber belfry
@open ledge Yeah our PUB group failed at the last 3 eggs at around an hour and twenty minutes in.
jade tusk
Breeders and Broods are my combine 2nd least favorite enemy
amber belfry
I really underestimated it. I'm working on a Scout build with swarm clear in mind to try again.
open ledge
<@!688858624042467453> Yeah our PUB group failed at the last 3 eggs at around an...
oof, same here basiaclly
open ledge
I really underestimated it. I'm working on a Scout build with swarm clear in min...
not much scout can do against swarmers sadly
idk if its worth trying it
amber belfry
i'm thinking at least ifg will slow down
open ledge
ifgs are clutch indeed
jade tusk
I thinking building towards being effective at dealing with HVT like pats, Opps, spitters. May be more worth it
amber belfry
another problem was nitra, but I don't know if it was because of the swarm or our team was too ammo inneficient
jade tusk
Even softening them up so they're easier to clean up for the rest of the squad
This EDD is pretty decent on Nitra
jade tusk
but depending on how you handle Stage 2 it'll be huge burden on Stage 3
digital chasm
my team only had enough nitra for 2 resupplies on stage 3 because a dread spawn on stage 2 made us call in an extra one
amber belfry
ahh yeah, the oxygen, I think that slows you down in general though
Same here Ice, we dealt with two of them I think in the three stages.
digital chasm
we were just recovering from a praetorian swarm when it spawned
jade tusk
I swear stage 2 most have a modifier for Dread swarm
Because I been seeing lots of Dread surprise spawns in stage 2
open ledge
the EDD was just unenjoyable
digital chasm
was pretty tough
open ledge
too many bad modifiers that made it cancer
amber belfry
I like the challenge a little
open ledge
i like a challenge but i like a fun one
amber belfry
maybe because I was playing scout and had the mobility
so I could get away from swarmers easier
jade tusk
As a whole package. It's pretty simple, but the devil is in the modifiers it thr...
This is how I sum up this EDD in general
open ledge
that sounds right
jade tusk
If you remove the bad modifiers this is a very tame EDD
digital chasm
second stage would have been easy were it not for the dread, bulk, and prat swarm that made it a living hell
open ledge
and you get a primary for a secondary mission
amber belfry
and not just sit there and have waves of swarmers attack me with their entrails
jade tusk
There's a reason I call Swarm spam "Scout's nightmare"
Only class that doesn't have a strong anti-swarmer option in his kit
digital chasm
he has cryo grenades, but those are limited
amber belfry
well, berzerk + shockwave on pickaxe sort of worked lol
maybe that's why I died so much
well, I didn't die that much but I had to take risks
digital chasm
gunner build I was using isnt the best for swarmers either, but i was running incendiary grenades to at least have a chance
jade tusk
Driller and Gunny has good ways of dealing with swarm spam (Unless Gunny uses the Minigun)
amber belfry
We had a Driller with Cryo, I'm wondering if Flamer + Sticky would've worked better
but bad on the Dreadnought
frail patrol
There's a reason I call Swarm spam "Scout's nightmare"
Plasma rifle with the small aoe effect on the projectiles works pretty well, but imo only on swarmageddon. otherwise m1k is king
digital chasm
Driller and Gunny has good ways of dealing with swarm spam (Unless Gunny uses th...
if I wasnt using the lead storm we would not have survived the dreadnaught on stage 2
amber belfry
@frail patrol Yeah, I'm bringing impact deflection w/plasma splash for the edd
jade tusk
if I wasnt using the lead storm we would not have survived the dreadnaught on st...
Though this is speaking more of in a vacuum and ignoring any sort of Randomnes DRG throws out like a surprise Dread
brazen cape
Can you do deep dives again if you fail?
jade tusk
Yes
brazen cape
Ah okay thank you
jade tusk
But any rewards you got from stages you won in won't be earned again
brazen cape
Ah okay thanks
Woops
I've been sitting in my lobby waiting for others to join for 20 minutes
Only to realise I had it on private by default..
jade tusk
Yeah that happens if you forget to change the settings
jolly hazel
Can you do deep dives again if you fail?
no you are fired by deep rock galactic
nocturne tinsel
that settles it
when I eligible to do a deep dive, im gonna throw the dive intentionally
mint pivot
Can you do deep dives again if you fail?
They disappear you, just like if you don't kill a fester flea
fossil orbit
when I eligible to do a deep dive, im gonna throw the dive intentionally
very good idea
nocturne tinsel
barren girder
i lost connection during the begining of the last stage for edd
i got seeker rounds though
uneven torrent
I'm going to start my first normal deep dive with a friend of mine rn
are there any tips we should know going in?
quasi loom
I thought that the EDD caves were suppose to be the same gen, only difference being spawns, but a video I saw for this week has another generation than what I got?
amber pawn
@quasi loom can you dm a link pls im interested
quasi loom
<@!264044484679958530> can you dm a link pls im interested
i didn't record my edd but ill send the video
inland dome
Okay so
EDD?
Attempted it
just now
with a full team
HELL
UNRELENTING ABYSS OF BLOOD AND ENEMIES
ACTUALLY THOUSANDS
ON THE FIRST STAGE
wraith shard
Third stage is the worst this week imo. I really don't like the cave gen, first thing I did after leaving the drop pod was dashing right into nothing and falling all the way down to the bottom of the cave 😆 enemies constantly spawning thanks to swarmaggedon, but lots of bad (and way too small) fighting areas. I took more fall damage than damage from enemies lmao
But overall definitely one of the more fun EDDs of the last weeks. Lots of nitra on stage 2 and 3, spicy modifiers, good stuff
jade tusk
Third stage is the worst this week imo. I really don't like the cave gen, first ...
There's also a large number of spitballers. 4 of them
ivory agate
I didn't mind this weeks EDD. had an unfortunate double detonator situation, but other than that, we cleaned through it pretty smoothly.
Highly recommend a Neurotoxin payload gunner to deal with all the chaff tho'
jade tusk
If you drop the modifiers this pretty simple in terms of EDDs. Nothing too insane or time consuming. The modifiers is what makes it a lot harder then it should be
lofty sandal
this weeks deep dive looks much more manageable
except the low oxygen
never really do any low oxygen mission to tell how hard it is
at least we have molly
tiny crow
I actually enjoy low oxygen missions. It makes for lots of teamwork.
jade tusk
Low 02 missions have 2 difficulty settings "With Molly" and "Without Molly"
vale falcon
Normal and Hell
jade tusk
I forgot the hidden 3rd difficulty "With molly, but someone wants to hog Molly"
maiden walrus
Deep dives ?
lunar aspen
@quasi loom windows/xbox -- Steam -- Playstation (assume) will generally have the same layout but there may be slight differences. For example last week's EDD had the minehead spawn in a pit on Steam but on windows it spawned in a pit but a very high pit :/ while the pump jack spawned in the pit
maiden walrus
Is there a limit to how many deep dives you can do?
maiden walrus
Can do as many times as you want
Oh so you can only get 3 cores pee week well 6 since theres elite ? 🤔
Per*
jade tusk
Oh so you can only get 3 cores pee week well 6 since theres elite ? 🤔
9 cores. You get 3 cores from the weekly core hunt
maiden walrus
Ah I see
jade tusk
If we factor in the 2 foundry level up freebie cores. That'll be 10 or 11 cores per week
jade tusk
The EDD is pretty brutal this week because of the modifiers
I would 100% recommend to check out the pinned message to know what's coming up
If you choose to go in blind
God speed you crazy dwarf
manic crane
oh wow looks like the EDD this week SUCKS
topaz prairie
acoustic mantle
Just completed the edd. We were running low on nitra a few times but it wasn't too bad
quasi loom
<@264044484679958530> windows/xbox -- Steam -- Playstation (assume) will general...
thanks, i figured that was the reason but I wanted to make sure, thanks
west merlin
Low 02 missions have 2 difficulty settings "With Molly" and "Without Molly"
I actually find on site refining and PE are sometimes easier since you have a base that doesn't move unexpectedly, plus you can place resupplies at key points since the entire mission happens around the same area
Drilldozer is the best time to have low O2 though
The worst seems to be the extraction on a mining mission
I just did the regular DD with 2 less experienced players around 30-40 and it went pretty well, they were both decent players and knew how to voice chat but then 30 seconds into the 3rd stage one of them pulled an egg with no warning and we wound up scattered around the pit
And died pretty fast despite 3 Iron Wills which was pretty oof
jade tusk
I actually find on site refining and PE are sometimes easier since you have a ba...
On site is always cave dependent. Sometimes you get a nice cave generation other times you get crap like last week's EDD
Escort is the easiest Low 02 missions since you spend 90% of the mission near Dotty who's a 02 canister on tank treads
west merlin
The Engy and Gunner both IWd but couldn't reach anyone, then I IW'd and managed to get Engy up, call a resupply and power attack for more health but I died like 6 seconds later since I couldn't get my bearings to zipline to safety
Do the Uplink and Fuel Cells give O2? I just learned on this DD that the Black Box does and never thought about it before.
I'm not sure I've actually done a Salvage with Low O2 before
jade tusk
No idea. Never did salvage with low 02 either
violet warren
I feel like swarmageddon is literally the worst possible modifier
Like I'd rather take both shield disruption and low O2 at the same time over swarmageddon destroying your ammo reserves extremely rapidly
leaden cypress
pick someone with a CC weapon
autocannon, sentries, breach cutter, PGL, cryo grenades, C4, CRSPR, Cryo cannon, Sludge pump
violet warren
Even with a cryo cannon I chewed through a resupply every minute or so
leaden cypress
i don't know how the hell you manage to do so tbh
jade tusk
best advice for Swarmageddon is use more AoE weapons like the HUrricane, Autocannon, PGL, Flamethrower
leaden cypress
takes me less than 30 cryo ammos to deal with a swarmageddon wave
And that's without considering my allies' weapons
jade tusk
Or 3-5 hurricane rockets for me dependning on swarmer size
violet warren
You have to direct hit every single swarmer or you get deleted by the 5 that you missed
leaden cypress
use melee on the last 5 ?
violet warren
Thus you have to hold down the trigger for like 15 seconds
leaden cypress
You can burst shot
violet warren
5 swarmers can eat through your shields before you can melee them down
leaden cypress
it doesn't instantly go into cooldown
they eat your shield and take 10 HP
is it something that catastrophic ?
violet warren
Maybe the problem is that it's at the tail end of a deep dive that had a dreadnought fight earlier
So I can't just go sticky flames to deal with the swarmers because then I'd be useless in the dread fight
jade tusk
Driller isn't the best at boss fighting anyways
leaden cypress
Driller can be amazing with cryo & axes
violet warren
Except against swarmageddon
leaden cypress
Cryo works fine against swarmageddon
violet warren
You basically need to take an entirely different build to deal with that modifier, which in a deep dive means you lose to the earlier stages without an effective build
leaden cypress
Even if driller was, supposedly, shit against swarmers
are teammates not a thing ?
Even more with cold radiance
violet warren
Driller's the only class that can effectively engage swarmers with AoE and sticky weapons
Except cryo isn't a sticky weapon at all so you need to burn ammo direct-hitting all the swarmers
leaden cypress
Cryo has a sort of sticky effect actually
violet warren
And they're too fast to cryo radiance down in haz 5
leaden cypress
But it's so negligible it can only be useful on swarmers
What does speed have to do with cold radiance anyway ?
The moment you start shooting they'll be frozen around you
violet warren
Doesn't cryo radiance only proc once per second?
One second is plenty of time for a swarmer outside the cryo radiance area to dash in and land a hit
leaden cypress
Once per second, 60 cold, 4 m
Except if you have the aim of a donkey, you theorically should be left with less than 5 swarmers around you
If some of them are still alive after cold radiance, kill the last ones with pickaxe
violet warren
Or drills since pickaxe does an annoying slowdown after you hit an enemy with it
leaden cypress
Annoying slowdown that can be cancelled
You can take on several swarmers with pickaxe alone without losing your shield if you do it properly
violet warren
How do you cancel pickaxe slowdown?
leaden cypress
by reusing your pickaxe the moment it hits
if your pickaxe key is RMB, press RMB right after hitting an enemy or minerals to cancel
it's negligible on minerals (3 frames per cancel if done properly iirc), but it's definitely useful against enemies
where the cooldown is much greater
jade tusk
There's always the driller method of clearing anything around you. Put C4 at your feet and blow it up!
steep cloud
Driller's the only class that can effectively engage swarmers with AoE and stick...
I found AoE build autocannon quite effective as gunner
in EDD I did earlier I was the primary swarmer killer
wraith shard
Driller has sad range
sudden mortar
driller's range is as far as you can throw the c4
scenic finch
Subata is drillers range pretty much
jade tusk
I mean there's Ice spear OC for the Cryo
ashen vortex
What's the deep dive like for this week?
leaden cypress
pinned message
ashen vortex
Awesome.
jade tusk
Going back into the conversation here lets you see what the DD is like from other players
violet warren
Swarmageddon