deep-dive-discussion

[jade tusk]

9/10 greybeards agree that hugging dreads increases the chance of death by 1000%. The normal dreadnaught's AoE stomp is very fast and you don't have a lot of time to get out of it before being instant downed

[old widget]

Eh. I hug dreads as cryo driller. Their patterns are easily learnable and cold radiance is OP

[jade tusk]

I'll hug the twins and Hiveguard. I'll never be in hug range of the normal Dread

[old widget]

Fair, he’s the most dangerous to hug fo sho

[jade tusk]

Its stomp comes out very very fast and by the time he does the animation for the start up you really don't have a lot of time to react

[jolly hazel]

ya u can dodge other two

classic dread hitbox is sussy when not hosting

I got annihilated by twins on bad connection too

hiveguard stomp is a joke

as long as a rock isn't hidden in terrain

[jade tusk]

Anything is sussy when you're not the host

[hardy nacelle]

skill issue

I never host and I haven't had an issue with dread stomp that wasn't my own fault

[jolly hazel]

I've seen people teleporting and getting rolled back into fireballs on "close" connections

some hosts connections are godawful

[round mountain]

It took me a moment to get used to dread classic on solo, Im so used to the pattern on multiplayer, so it took me by surprise, when I ran away to dodge, only to run right back into the stomp attack, which was way slower than usual.

And yeah, sometimes I experience rubberbanding with hosts, even when it says my ping is like just 60-70, which should be great.

[jolly hazel]

I think its little spikes that are too quick to get picked up by the tracker lol

I've seen a guy go from 100 to 2 thousand before

I dont even know what you have to be doing to get it that bad

[jade tusk]

Very...I swear their internet is a Potato running at 1.1 volt on 3G mobile data that's very choppy on a good day

[jolly hazel]

well

thats exactly what you get with such a large playerbase

[jade tusk]

Generally I get a real bad host maybe once or twice a week so thankfully the Potato internet hosts are mercifully rare

[hoary cove]

og is pretty easy solo. He’s significantly slower and has a new roar attack he can easily be baited into where he is open to attacks for a good while

[jolly hazel]

roar attack? is that solo only?

[jade tusk]

Classic Dread always roar being doing the big stomp attack. Solo the attack has a larger window being kicking in unlike 4P where the attack is very fast

[jolly hazel]

oh so its just the stomp lol

[jade tusk]

Roar is the "Get the fuck out of ass kicking range"

[jolly hazel]

the sound is embedded in my conscious now

and almost exactly when the stomp occurs with 4 during the sound clip

(if im hosting)

[signal flower]

I couldn't remember but I think so

Cus im a bot

[woeful patrol]

Yeah, DD is 3 , 3.5 , 3.5

[signal flower]

Ok

[lunar helm]

probably me

[jolly hazel]

I meant you lived because it was haz 3 lol

[jolly hazel]

he said it was fine and only in lobby after I saw it spike once. little did I know he was lying!

edd btw

[lunar helm]

haha

I try to avoid hosting cause I know my connection is trash

I start the game with 50 ping and at the end of the mission it's between 300 and 400

[jolly hazel]

how

packet loss?

[lunar helm]

no clue

It's just... shit

[hoary cove]

nope it’s a completely different attack

[hoary cove]

the roar does 0 damage

he does it a lot on solo and he can even do it in multiplayer if only 1 person is alive

[hollow shore]

Getting ready to do my first Deep Dive later today, what should I expect?

[tulip idol]

death
many many times

[austere mason]

normal deep dive is easy

[hollow shore]

Is it easy to solo a normal Deep Dive?

[lunar helm]

Shouldn't be too bad

If you can handle haz 4 then normal DD is easy

This week's is pretty tough though, with haunted PE at the end, so you could get overhwelemed if you dont hurry

[sonic garnet]

FUCK

bruuuuuuuuh

i was at stage 2 of edd

ran out of all my bosco revives

ommoran got to stage 4

and a blew myself up with a c4 cause i forgot to get rid of that t1 upgrade that makes damage radius bigger

[lunar helm]

F

[sonic garnet]

I mean, that was my first edd, which I booted just for the blank

Cause I'm kinda scared of haz 5

I got what i wanted

[lunar helm]

understandable

[sonic garnet]

but damn that's fucking embarrasing

[lunar helm]

Take your time, try haz 4 with modifiers first, get used to it, then easy has 5s

and slowly you will be able to do haz 5 consistently

[sonic garnet]

I play only on haz 4 actually

but the gap in difficulty between haz 4 and haz 5 looks kinda funky

Guess I'm gonna try haz 5 now

[hollow shore]

Wait do Bosco revives reset after every stage or do they keep count of how many have been used the whole time

[jade tusk]

Reset every stage

Along with any active perks you have

[hollow shore]

Based devs

[woeful patrol]

It is worth mentioning that the ammo for the engi's turrets also get reset unlike the others weapons/utility

[old widget]

Others also get reset

Shields, flares, C4

All the support consumables

[jolly hazel]

the biggest thing is that bugs are faster and slashers will outrun you

kill order in swarms is slasher>grunt>guard because guards slow down anyways when they get hit once

[jade tusk]

And be very mindful of what's going on around you at all times. Sometimes the swarm in front of you isn't the biggest threat. A group of swarmers or a surprise slasher from behind is a big killer

Or worst a Tri-jaw landing pot shots at you

[jolly hazel]

yeah I swear the ai coordinates that kind of thing to get a slasher behind you

id like to see how advanced the ai really is

because I have seen bugs take paths towards me that weren't direct, even without engie platforms

[sonic garnet]

I try to prioritize slashers>mactera(especialy tri-jaws)>acid spitters, and then everything else

(my hatred towards macteras grows with each day)

[jade tusk]

If a Tri-jaw is taking aim at you. You can attempt to run at them after they fire to dodge their shot

[sonic garnet]

on haz 3 and lower they aren't that big of a deal

[halcyon zealot]

The spawning looks for places players cannot see

When new mobs spawn in, so everyone watch each other's back

Why vision arc for salvage so important

[sonic garnet]

Usually I kite in spirals to group up the swarm, so dodging tri-jaw bursts is kinda challenging

But that's a great advise regardless

[halcyon zealot]

Less likely to be overwhelmed if you know where they're coming from

[jade tusk]

Big thing speaking of vision. When dropping a supply pod. Always check for Engie sentry gun(s)

Or else you just put up a giant LoS block to a sentry gun

[halcyon zealot]

Edge of the circle okay, better in the back against a wall than in line with the open area or pod

[jade tusk]

I can't tell you how many times someone drops a damn pod in front of a important line of sight of my sentry gun and they suddenly get more bugs because my Sentry gun can;t see them anymore and complain the engie is not doing their job

Jee! I wonder which one of you dumb fucks dropped a resupply pod in front of my sentry gun?

Even better when it's on 3 hit maps so I have to waste more time trying to drop the pod in a hole just so my Sentry gun can do its job

[jolly hazel]

so thats why they always spawn in the drop pod hole lol

can't see up there

[jolly hazel]

if u have that down already, hazard 5 shouldn't be that big of an issue

[halcyon zealot]

You can pancake holes

An nothing spawns up em then

Same for fuel pump and resupply

Hacking one v useful to plug

[jade tusk]

Any holes made by Resupps as well. Last thing you need is a surprise bugs coming out of the hole

[halcyon zealot]

Driller resupply last, drill it down when done

[jade tusk]

Were it so easy to do. I swear 90% of drillers don't drill. Even if I ask them to drill they'll refuse to "Save fuel"

[halcyon zealot]

I want 20 in the tank minimum when we press the button true

But I always take 1112

Or 1111

So I'm drilling shortcuts between caves and tunnels aim for a 2 minute walk from any point on the map

Gotta put in the infrastructure

[jade tusk]

I use my drills often as I can. Drilling holes, Drilling into bugs, Drilling anything that looks drillable

[halcyon zealot]

It a game with mining why would anyone not want drill

Best item

[jade tusk]

🤷 Wish I knew

[hoary cove]

you can also dodge them by getting between the second and third shot while strafing

[jade tusk]

Nothing beats drilling into a group of frozen bugs and healing almost half your HP very fast with Vamp

[jolly hazel]

I meant the vertical area above the broken drop pod, always seem to spawn there first and then climb on air to reach the pod lol

[halcyon zealot]

They're hiding in the hottub

[jade tusk]

Damn Hot tub. I knew it was a bad idea to blow the sandwich budget on it!

[halcyon zealot]

Sandvich when?

[jade tusk]

What was that Sandvich? Kill them all! Good idea!! HAHAHA

[urban hamlet]

Why is the human speaking to the sandwich?

[jade tusk]

Shhh little driller. Let the big russian man have his sandvich or else

[urban hamlet]

I met Pyro ,Heavy. I can crush you with one sentence

P y r o u p d a t e

[jade tusk]

As a soldier and demoman main in TF2. Jungle inferno was a awful time. Pyros every you go. No projectile was safe

[urban hamlet]

happy pyro main noises

[jade tusk]

Doesn't mean you can reflect bullets from a shotgun 🙂

[urban hamlet]

But I can shotgun back with the panic attack and turn you into a meaty stew

[jade tusk]

Right into a crocket

[sonic garnet]

I'm gonna turn a nibba into a crocket

Les goooooo

(that was awful)

[jade tusk]

Enough to warrant a few "Accident" C4s on you

[sonic garnet]

I don't remember c4s being in tf2

holy shit guys heavy update leak

[halcyon zealot]

happy little accidents

[ocean jackal]

anybody wanna do a DD with me? i jsut got promoted and i want to do a dive

[jolly hazel]

try lfg channels

also can solo

[manic pivot]

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[fervent fable]

You feeling okay, Mission Control?

[jade tusk]

I think one of the dwarfs got into computer and pour some blackout into the systems

[lunar helm]

This has been broken for weeks

[digital chasm]

stop eating the damn error cubes

[lunar helm]

My face when 10 bugs rise out of the ground right next to hacksy

[left sleet]

sounds like management needs to invest in some better equipment

[halcyon zealot]

It looks but it will spawn them anyway if it can't find a close place

[digital chasm]

deep dives should have industrial sabotage missions, change my mind

[jade tusk]

I wouldn't be surprise if that mission type gets added into DD and EDD when S2 drops in

[hoary cove]

the devs said they didn’t want to add it into deep dives, but they’d consider adding hack c as a secondary

[left sleet]

industrial sabotage is pretty tough on nitra tbh. those DD/EDDs would take forever =x

[quick robin]

EDD doesn't give a lot of nitra as well

[left sleet]

it's not being EDD that determines how much nitra you use though

like sabotage by itself needs a few supplies if you're playing as a 4p team because you gotta do two hacks plus the final boss

some EDD missions you can go with 0 supplies and wait to reach the next stage (rare, but they're there)

I don't think you can do that at all if you had industrial sabotage tbh

[quick robin]

agree

[left sleet]

I think I'd cry if I had low O2 industrial sabotage + oil refining in one mission

[hoary cove]

yes it does

[hoary cove]

that wud be impossible because refinery is a primary

and they definitely wud not make you do the entire sabotage mission as a secondary

[jade tusk]

Depends on how the cave generates

[left sleet]

Which ones count as primaries in EDD? I thought you get two primaries

Oh I see. The primary is reduced when used as a "secondary" primary objective

[digital viper]

Plus the top "primary" objective determines cave gen type.

[left sleet]

TIL

[hoary cove]

escort and refinery NEVER show up as secondaries

[jolly hazel]

i could see a power station/data deposit stand in being added as a secondary

that shit is HARD

[hoary cove]

that’s probably the best way to add it into the deep dives tbh

[left sleet]

I'm surprised it's not in there already tbh

[jade tusk]

Better have a driller when one of those missions show up in a rotation just to have to "Bad hacky location" protection

[halcyon zealot]

Well that was rough thank to team

K

Oop

||The o2 start I didn't notice until I was up a side cave drilling egg||

[uncut dagger]

Alright, let's hope for no shield disruption and no low 02 tomorrow.

[halcyon zealot]

I hope it's swarmer golden bugs

[uncut dagger]

Haunted cave is a nice challenge.

[halcyon zealot]

I am okay with haunted but it certainly makes twin dreds spicy

Most of em really, focus on more thing at once, always be like where ghost

[open ledge]

I’m feeling critical weakness

That would be a nice change

[mortal fjord]

goddamn no wonder where the error cubes go mission control eats them

[scenic finch]

Welp

Stage 2 of edd as solo scout

Wish me luck

[jade tusk]

I have a feeling of brutal set ups and little nitra in the caves

[scenic finch]

And a bulk det

Welp im done

[jade tusk]

Just keep kiting it

[scenic finch]

Are you serious

A natural dread

[jade tusk]

Use the bulk to kill the dread

[scenic finch]

Already died

Back in medbay now

[jade tusk]

Here lies scout. He ran fast and died a virgin

...Why did quote TF2 of all things...

[wraith shard]

I am questioning that also

[scenic finch]

Scout isnt exactly a beast at single handedly taking a bulk and dread

Maybe i needed more dakka on my zhuks

[jade tusk]

Scout role is lighting the cave up and playing minecraft

Along with being the member most likely to be last dwarf standing to save the group in a clu-- and a cave leech got him. Rip run

[halcyon zealot]

Moar dakka required

The bulks and dreds spawn is random right?

We still get different enemy tables on deep dives?

[jade tusk]

Dreads are real rare chance to replace swarm Spawn

[vale falcon]

bulks are just rare enemies that cost a lot of points to the director

[halcyon zealot]

L4d Minecraft

[ashen vortex]

What's the Deep Dive lookin' like today?

[left sleet]

The new one is in 8 hrs

Current one is on the pin

[green sequoia]

any1 running elite, happy doing first 2 xD

[round mountain]

Waiting for new deep dives got me like 🍽️

[scenic finch]

Waiting for new deep dives got me like 🥱

I am Canadian, it is 12:20

[lean mason]

I'm giving up on stage 3. Every random team I get doesn't seem to understand low O2 and I'm the only one left facing a horde

[scenic finch]

Not to be that guy but

Just do it solo then

[round mountain]

I had more trouble with stage 2 than 3 on this dde, as long as you are, or have a driller, just make sure to put supply pods in each area, so you can stay there longer.

Maybe I was just really unlucky, because I kept getting like 5 spitters, mactera tri jaws and menaces, that tore dorreta to shreds in seconds, couldnt deal with them fast enough. But for 3rd stage, just had to be quick and manage air.

[mortal fjord]

the eggs are so difficult, my team's strat is usually drilling to them then running back, but there's always a grabber fucking us over

[round mountain]

I guess it helps to have Bosco work on the pipes too for you on solo, while you build more/defend.

Since you can stay and get oxygen at the main point while he builds.

[lean mason]

I mean, fair enough. I did the normal DD solo, I just don't think I'm ready for EDD solo yet. I'm just calling it a night now anyways.

[mortal fjord]

i have no idea how yall play dd's solo, bosco is good but no one class is versitile enough

[round mountain]

Well, new opportunities for this EDD, hope its one that is more friendly, for solo as Scout, or Engineer though, this EDD was basically impossible as any class but Driller on solo.

[mortal fjord]

Yeah, hope they make the next EDD easier, not even for solo play just in general, I've seen entire max teams get decimated by the current EDD

[round mountain]

Pretty much yeah, I cant even imagine 3rd stage on this one, without a Driller or mining buff drink

[lean mason]

As long as it's not another low O2 on-site I'm good

[scenic crag]

this EDD is rediculous

[hallow ice]

i felt like stage 3 EDD was the most brutal one, like we kept getting hammered by wave after wave, and that was before we even built the first pipe

[scenic crag]

third pipe is so far from base it's impossible to stay together

[hallow ice]

my team feared the 2nd stage, but that was actually OK

[hallow ice]

yeah dude wtf

out of all the places, the refinery is in a vertical shaft

you'd think the morkite well would be there instead...

[scenic crag]

worthless

good night, rock and stone all

[round mountain]

(But fun to destroy)

[patent carbon]

i made it past the first two stages in the EDD and felt like it wasnt super difficult, just been having terrible team cooperation

I'd like to give the third stage another try but havent made it that far in recent attempts

[manic pivot]

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[unkempt saffron]

Poor mission control, needs some medicine

[random rampart]

Nah

Just needs to FINALLY PASS ME THA COOB

[unkempt saffron]

Probably ran out of cubes, all used up for christmas gifts

[reef bison]

Hopefully I'll have a decent team for this weeks EDD. Last two weeks they've fucked up on the last stage. I'm not bothered bc cosmetic overclock but still would be nice to not carry the team again

I'm probably gonna run neuro toxin gunner as it's my new found favourite class

[round mountain]

The exciting reveal...

[vague otter]

C'moooon⛏🤟⛏

[dawn sphinx]

5 minutes

[north urchin]

Time to get your game face on its time to DIVE soon....

[vocal haven]

Henlo

What are this week's deep dives

We'll learn in 4 minutes :o

Chongus

Last Weeks I've Been Doing The DD And EDD Solo.

[north urchin]

2 MORE MINUTES!!!

[vocal haven]

Pooh

Chonkers

1 minut

[sly kettle]

That's previous week's though?

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[topaz prairie]

👍

[north urchin]

You get it 1 min earlier before me.

[quiet mortar]

Error updating sorry

[vague otter]

Lmao

[vocal haven]

Oiiiiii

[north urchin]

ROCK AND STONE LADS! ITS TIME TO DIVE!!!

[round mountain]

[vocal haven]

Tell us everything xD

[topaz prairie]

Ye i have a dinner

Gl everyone

[north urchin]

Someone is to excited for it.

[sly kettle]

I still work for another hour..

[north urchin]

😦

[north urchin]

Tell your boss, or whoever asks you to work to hold it

[balmy axle]

DD - HOLLOW BOUGH - STAGE 1 - MORKITE + BLACK BOX - LOW O2

[north urchin]

if not Karl will come for him.

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: Purified Dusk
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | Volatile Guts Low Oxygen
Stage 2: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Engineer's Hammer
Stage 1: 2 M.U.L.E.s + Dreadnought Classic | Critical Weakness Shield Disruption
Stage 2: 225 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + 📡 1 Black Box | Swarmageddon

[round mountain]

Damn.. Dreadnaught right off the bat huh?

[quiet mortar]

Eager on the enter key lmao

[north urchin]

dang no shield..

[round mountain]

Oh well

[meager wyvern]

I hope it is not the dread twins

[sly kettle]

I usually work extra other days to quit on time for Deep Dives but sometimes things just don't work out.

[north urchin]

aww

[vital sluice]

is this the same deep dive as 2 weeks ago?

[north urchin]

No..?

[vital sluice]

okay, just making sure. I just thought it was weird that I was doing code-name Massive Let-Down, in the Azure Weald, Eggs + Dreadnought with low o2

[quiet mortar]

Gotta restart your game or the dives don't update properly

[vital sluice]

oh, so I won't get anything if I finish the mission?

[quiet mortar]

I don't think so? Never tried tho I doubt you will

[bold grotto]

Please stop putting the Hiveguard in deep dives if you aren't going to fix the issue with the sentinels not spawning

[woeful patrol]

At least, Shield Disruption is on the first stage of the EDD

[vocal haven]

Chonkers

[balmy axle]

DD Stage 2: Refine + Eggs, Lethal Enemies

[woeful patrol]

Low oxygen on the second stage... What is this EDD

[thorn moss]

at least it isnt OSR Low O2

[woeful patrol]

I smell the massive Escort Mission with Mactera Plague as the third stage of the EDD

[balmy axle]

Low O2 with morkite + eggs is the least shitty low O2 possible

[woeful patrol]

Yeah but still annoying

[balmy axle]

morkite refinery low O2 stage 3

death

(last week lol)

[thorn moss]

it wasnt as bad as the Stage 3 PE we had a few weeks ago

[neon smelt]

stage 2 salvage with shield disruption, and a dreadnought in the starting room

like some months ago

[north urchin]

Its always nice to see a horder during dives

thought a bit odd..

[hardy nacelle]

refinery low oz would be perfectly fine if the cavegen wasn't absolute dogshit

refinery drops inside a pit with all the wells above it

and the whole cave is cramped as fuck

[wraith ocean]

The EDD last week was like that, and people managed.

You just use supply drops and driller tunnels as best as you can.

[hardy nacelle]

that's what I'm talking about

[sly aurora]

As long as there isn't another elim. Three last week was a lot

[woeful patrol]

Oh wow

[hardy nacelle]

last weeks DD was a cakewalk, just annoying

[woeful patrol]

EDD this week doesn't seem to be a pain

[wraith ocean]

There was enough Nitra to make having waystations all over the refinery cave fairly doable.

[sly aurora]

I did enjoy the haunted cave part. Was fun in duo as one distract while other does mission

[hardy nacelle]

honestly the only annoying part of the last DD was the fact that dreads on PE don't stop swarms

[balmy axle]

DD Stage 3: 6 Eggs, 2 Mules, No Modifiers

[unkempt saffron]

This weeks edd looking pretty good from whats been shown

[jolly hazel]

oh boyyyy shield disruption my favoriteee

really easy combos this week though

crit weakness means bulk isnt as scary st least

[north urchin]

Shit we all died..

[jade tusk]

Who kicked Mission control's puppy to give us this round of modifiers

[woeful patrol]

Bosco mvp

[jade tusk]

Stage 1 of EDD isn't gonna be fun. I hope we have plenty of Nitra for it

At least the of the EDD is simple once you get through the Filter in stage 1

[wraith ocean]

Stage 1 should be less painful thanks to critical weakness.

[jade tusk]

Will make Tri-jaws less dangerous since they'll drop in 1 or 2 shots, but that shield disrup is gonna be a bitch. Might have to wait for Red rock blasters to be on tap just to make stage 1 more bearable

At least this DD is pretty simple with nothing too extreme

[vernal willow]

EDD down, with randos as usual

dicey though

[vocal saddle]

fuck i did the regular dd thinking it was edd

i was like oh this edd is a cakewalk

[oak horizon]

Doing one with 400 ping atm 🥲

[jade tusk]

Time to prep my Engie for this round of EDD ||Fat boy is armed and ready||

[thorn patio]

Lmao this weeks edd

Shield disruption, low oxy and swarmageddon

At least crit weakness for the dread will nake it somewhat easier

Hmmmmm methinks driller again this week

[unkempt saffron]

Unless if youre a scout swarmageddon isnt too bad

And shield disruption for stage 1 should be alright

Really not too bad in all honesty

[thorn patio]

I hate low oxy though

Pain in the ass

[unkempt saffron]

Low o2 is always a bitch, but it aint low o2 elim or osr at the very least

[thorn patio]

True that

Last weeks osr was painful

[sinful oyster]

Deep dive pin is wrong btw.

[unkempt saffron]

Yeah its been that way for a year now, just scroll up and youll see the dd and edd details

Or check on #deep-dive-speedrunning

[sinful oyster]

No wait it isn't just I don't have the hollow bough deep dive but last week's triple dread still

[unkempt saffron]

Restart your game, itll show then

[reef bison]

What class is at least recommended for this weeks EDD?

[unkempt saffron]

The edd was just released, give it some time and wait in a couple of hours or a day or two to see the verdict

[reef bison]

Well I just did the DD and it was pretty easy

Driller was needed for it so good job I went one

[unkempt saffron]

Thats usually the case for a DD

[reef bison]

Well I'll try the EDD and post my findings

Last weeks was pretty easy too just driller was essential for it for the last stage. If I didnt drill through the map we would have all suffocated

[unkempt saffron]

Driller was a must have for last week, simplifies the escort by grabbing the eggs quick and trivializes osr, until you start losing oxygen

[lunar aspen]

EDD was fine - swarmageddon was annoying but had lots of nitra

[jolly hazel]

carpet bomber time

[unkempt saffron]

Gonna whip out my poop gun for edd

Time to show those swarmers whose boss

[jolly hazel]

God bless swarmer pathfinding

ignore fire and ignore goo

[vocal haven]

Tap On The Reply To See All Deep Dive Info, So That You Don't Have To Scroll Up :P.

[jolly hazel]

its pinned

[vocal haven]

Chongus

[round forum]

becareful guys, EDD lot of detonator 😅

[jolly hazel]

so they are in the pool this week

great

[lunar aspen]

I saw one detonator - spawned during a Black Box

[round forum]

I play with 4 player, got three at stage 2 and two at stage 3... 🥲

[severe obsidian]

all was good till mission 3 and swarmageddon sigh looked promising. well coordinated too, but goddamn those swarmer spawns are so frequent

[jolly hazel]

simply bring aoe

[lunar aspen]

I wasted lots of lok-1 ammo on swarmers

[unkempt saffron]

Unless if youre using ecr dont use the lok just for swarmers

[lunar aspen]

set up a sentry as well - but there were a lot of swarmer's

[jolly hazel]

did u bring double

[compact fjord]

hi! what is edd this week?

[round mountain]

Here is this weeks EDD

[thorn patio]

Hold up. Bet-c can spawn in edd?

[unkempt saffron]

Still, you dont use the lok for swarm clearing, especially with swarmers

[unkempt saffron]

Yes it happened last week

[compact fjord]

thx bro

[thorn patio]

Had to restart bc i fucked the third part and first mission theres a bet c right next to dread egg

I didn't know they could spawn in edd

[round mountain]

Yeah, but its a static spawn, meaning Bet-C will always spawn in same spot every time, its not randomized.

[west merlin]

Dreads are unaffected by crit weakness right? Or is it merely less effected

[round mountain]

They are affected too, it definitely makes it easier.

[thorn patio]

Yeah they're affected

[reef bison]

Just completed EDD, was so much easier than last weeks

[west merlin]

You don't? TIL

[reef bison]

Bet c almost fucked us in the first mission but we did it

[vocal saddle]

there was a bet-c

[reef bison]

There was indeed

[vocal saddle]

failed on 3rd mission trying duo for better ammo

where is it???

[reef bison]

First mission

[vocal saddle]

yea but where

[thorn patio]

Near the egg

[vocal saddle]

edd right

[reef bison]

By the dreadnought for me

So we ended up fighting a dreadnought and betsy

Or bet c

[vocal saddle]

oh wow wtf

[reef bison]

Yeah was wild

But the other missions are cheese

[thorn patio]

I was smart enough to draw it away and deal with it first

[reef bison]

You dont get that luxury in pubs

[thorn patio]

Ah lol

[reef bison]

You just have to deal with whatever impulses people have

[thorn patio]

I'm running solo

For that reason

[reef bison]

Was doable though

[thorn patio]

Easier to manage without randoms doing dumb shit

[reef bison]

Iwas drilled with a gunner and two engineers

[vocal saddle]

this weeks edd right

[reef bison]

Driller was needed to speed things up imp but engineers was essential also

Yes shoe

[jolly hazel]

at least now people can warn others

[vocal saddle]

yea i dont hear it or see it

[jolly hazel]

in lobby

[glossy dock]

Unless that driller is me

[jolly hazel]

cuz we know now

[glossy dock]

I’m a scout, I don’t think in thinking

[reef bison]

All classes are essential it just depends on the mission

Scout wasnt needed this week

[jade tusk]

Beaten the DD

Beware of a nasty Cave Leech near one of the Mini mules in stage 3

[jolly hazel]

idk why two engies are necessary

scout speeds things up immensely

[topaz plank]

Just did the DD aswell with randoms, went surprisingly well

[jade tusk]

Randos as well

Team was Scout, Engie(Me), Gunny, driller

[topaz plank]

Apart from a scout not knowing what low o2 was

[topaz plank]

Wait

Wait

Same

[jade tusk]

Wait a minute.

[topaz plank]

Hold on

[jade tusk]

Did we just did the DD together without knowing?

[topaz plank]

Ps?

[jade tusk]

PC

[topaz plank]

No then

[jade tusk]

Rip

[topaz plank]

Indeed

Sad

[jade tusk]

Would been very funny

[topaz plank]

Yeah I agree

I was a gunner

[jolly hazel]

I did a dd with a guy here

was ez

[topaz plank]

It was pretty good

Stage 3 was meh

[jade tusk]

Wasn't a bad DD. I just fucking hate the Hollow bough so much

[topaz plank]

Agreed

Only second to magma core

[jade tusk]

I kinda enjoy Magma core

[topaz plank]

Eh well the whole "stay too long and the floor will not exist" thing is what annoys me

And any explosion will set said floor on fire

[jade tusk]

And since I like to use the Fat boy pretty often. I leave lots of flame holes

[topaz plank]

Good

[jade tusk]

Nothing like turning an area into a minor bug free zone for the next few seconds and nuking a bunch of bugs

[topaz plank]

Or just to get that one fester flea

Etheir way it's a good use of a nuclear warhead

[reef bison]

Theres nothing really for the scout to make use of his grapple hook with

[jolly hazel]

no ceiling nitra?

light helps gunner apply dps if hes using ac imo

[reef bison]

Not really, and caves had decent light due to radioactive zone lol

Do whatever class suits you but from someone who plays all the classes I think it would be better having an extra gunner or engi

Definitely a driller though

I wanted to go gunner in both dives but no one went driller so I had to step in

[crimson tinsel]

Just did the EDD. Definitely bring some kind of AoE, our level ~1000 gunner brought Bertha and doomed us.

[dry wraith]

the mule def did a funny on the first stage of the dd

almost missed the shuttle due to it going though a tiny tunnel

[jolly hazel]

anyone else getting detonators?

[reef bison]

I had 0

[jade tusk]

Didn't get a Det spawned in DD

[open ledge]

Called it

[reef bison]

For edd and dd

[jade tusk]

But got a got a funny Breeder spawn in Stage 2 and Stage 3

[hardy nacelle]

how's the huuli spawns looking?

we got double spawns for the last two DDs

[reef bison]

Lmfao there was a huuli spawn too but I only saw one

[jade tusk]

There's one in stage 2. None in Stage 1 and Stage 3 for this week DD. Unknown for EDD

[raw maple]

Does dd reset today?

[tulip idol]

sure I got hyperprop for them, scout was amping it with ifg, so 3 hits were easily burying one detonator after another

my hyperprop carried like the whole mission lol

all those rad praets with nasty AoE, all those dets, grabbers and rollers just stand no chance against it

even bet-c liked my hyperprop 😄

there's only one dreadnought but like hyperprop is mvp anyways lol

[unkempt saffron]

2 bulks on edd for me, but never saw betc

[tulip idol]

I got at least 4

we were full team

I paired it with EM Discharge against swarmers and for defense purposes

[old widget]

EMD + HP, I see you are an engi of culture as well

[tulip idol]

our driller died 12 times

he tried to drill swarmageddon waves 😄

he hated those swarmers lol

he was playing facemelter mb that's why

so I had to cover it with my own aoe

[old widget]

Drills work reasonably well against swarmers, but swarmageddon batches are pretty big

[tulip idol]

our gunner was ok, he got some CB but died like 4-5 times anyways smh

and scout was my friend who heroed it 12-1 ress to downs

[sick ginkgo]

Lok 1 can clean swarmageddon

[tulip idol]

as for me, I died 0 times as engi with this build

[sick ginkgo]

If the pack don't spawn above you

[tulip idol]

I was very close at some times with minimum hp but I was repositioning myself well across the map so it barely worked

when scout went down that one single time in the tunnel where many praets pushed him and detonator was walking around I was so terrified...

[old widget]

I would never use LOK-1 on swarmers unless I was doing something like ECR, great way to run your clip empty in first 2 min?

[tulip idol]

I juked him in the tunnel somehow, killed bugs with earlier placed turret discharge and kited to another end of the map

[sick ginkgo]

What is ECR

[tulip idol]

scout said he could IW and that moment I said yes when I was about to die lol

he IWd and we survived

[sick ginkgo]

Sorry i'm not good at English

[tulip idol]

ecr is electro-chemical rounds fyi

LOK-1 Explosive OC

[sick ginkgo]

Aaaaaaaaa

Yeah i'm use that

[tulip idol]

I was kinda relying on T5 Stubby's Arc too when I was repositioning and didn't had turret nearby

it works well against swarmers

[sick ginkgo]

Turret wip is also good

[tulip idol]

uhh it's more like against grunts

[sick ginkgo]

Yea but i'm Hazard 5

Everyting is usefull

If that can kill many enemyes

At 1 time

[tulip idol]

if you group them with lure it can do stuff

otherwise its efficiency is very situational

[sick ginkgo]

Or You can force the IA Pat finding

And use proximity mine

[tulip idol]

sure, I just didn't do it with Discharge cause there was no need

all grunts and swarmers just die to that, you just stand and spam 1 place

doesn't matter from where bugs go

all the heavy units die from hyperprop

but yeah there are more difficult ways with repellent and such

Stage 3 black box doesn't need repellent I think

they go around the corner all together like through choke point

but you can have nice setup on expedition in the tunnels I guess

I just discharged the main direction in the tight tunnel for the whole swarm and it's all I did lol

[sick ginkgo]

Nice

1 question

[tulip idol]

also you can cheese classic dread with repellent so it's useful there too

[sick ginkgo]

Hyper propelant for the boomstick is a good overclocks?

[tulip idol]

hyperprop is for PGL

you mean Jumbo?

[sick ginkgo]

Yea

I'm got confussed

The name are similar i'm the spanish vercion

[tulip idol]

I think it's the best you can get on boomstick

it's meta go-to on sabotage as well

due to temperature robots' breakpoints

you can also combo it with pheromones

cause it ignites crowd pretty fast

basically deletes guards, good against praets and oppressors

although Embedded Detonators are better against heavy targets

but Detonators are significantly weaker against crowd than Jumbo

[sick ginkgo]

Nice

[outer beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/943894239660605440/20220217123326_1.jpg?width=1202&height=676

This week was a lot more tolerable. First try, though I will say bringing Fat Boy to REZ does clash a little with radioactive praetorians and swarmaggedon. 🥴

Low O2 is so much more tolerable with Molly.

[unkempt saffron]

Id prob take clean sweep

[jade tusk]

Clean sweep or Hyper Prop. Unless the scouting reports are wrong about a Bet-C being in the area

[jolly hazel]

with crit weakness the dread dies anyways

clean sweep swarm clear is too nice

[unkempt saffron]

Especially with swarmy in stage 3

[jolly hazel]

I am worried about a bulk on stage 3 black box though

might be an IFG kind of edd

[old widget]

pretty sure crit weakness doesn't apply to dreads
(saw a couple of comments in here since the DD/EDD rollover implying that it did)

[jolly hazel]

I had a hunch it didn't but I saw two pro-weakness comments

in any case one dread is not worth bringing hyperprop for

[violet kraken]

im pretty sure it does ive had some insanely fast dread missions w/ crit weakness

[old widget]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/548430/discussions/9/3114770913752224849/ is the source, been discussing with the wiki crew in the background

Dread Tweaks:
-Dreadnoughts no longer are affected by critical weakness mutator

crit weakness does not apply to dreads since Jan 2021

[lunar aspen]

@old widget good to know - the dread felt easier than usual but the oppressor basically fainted

[jolly hazel]

reading those patch notes talking about hollow bough flying rocks

i genuinely cannot remember ever having an escort mission in hollow bough

[hardy nacelle]

I think I did a single escort in hollow bough

[soft barn]

so uh

My spawn Table for the final DD mission has been pretty bad

Mainly Exploders

[violet kraken]

elite deep dive 3rd mission was legit nuts

had 3 bulks

[soft barn]

Oh yikes

[violet kraken]

are deep dive spawns not the same for everyone

[soft barn]

Nope

Spawn Tables are still randomized afaik

[jolly hazel]

static spawns are the same if the number of players are the same

naturally spawning enemies are random, but I believe the spawning pool is the same

because nobody got a bulk last week

[soft barn]

Well I've been in this final Deep Dive mission for like 5 minutes max and I've killed like 20 exploders lmao

It's like Exploder Infestation is on but it isn't

[jolly hazel]

radioactive exclusion zone moment

at least they die fast

[soft barn]

True

[fleet yarrow]

just finished both of them, EDD took 3 tries

[unkempt saffron]

Damn 3 tries a few hours after reset, quite the dedication

[soft barn]

Regular DD was pretty easy this time around

Only about 1:02:00;

[west merlin]

Why is the pinned message March 21st 2021 instead of this week?

[old widget]

It’s edited in place each week

[west merlin]

Oh I see

IDK why I never noticed that before weird

[old widget]

(Presumably because the author doesn’t have pin/unpin privs? Dunno why)

[quiet mortar]

Yeah, didn't when I started, still don't think I do now lol

Don't wanna bug a mod each week lmao

[unkempt saffron]

Time to be a mod then to update the pins

[open ledge]

I dont feel like scrolling

how is EDD this week for the "average" player

[placid crane]

it's alright 3rd can be pretty rough but the first 2 are easy

[wraith ocean]

Checks the pins then.

[open ledge]

i meant like from your guys experience

cause that differs from my hypothesis of what it will be like

[open ledge]

ok, good to know thx

[placid crane]

my group of 3 encountered a few things here and there that were troubling but we pulled through and one of our friends c4'd himself and me on stage 3 XDDDD

[jolly hazel]

id say unless someone else knows your skill level its really hard to judge how you will do lol

based off randoms opinions

[placid crane]

true

[jade tusk]

Stage 1 is pretty brutal and is the Filter for this week. Shield disruption salvage operation with Dread

[vernal willow]

I don't think the dread is the hard part, given they basically one shot you if you aren't at full health anyway, so no shields barely makes a difference for that fight specifically

O2 stage is ok, I hate how it slows things down though and I made the mistake of drilling a tunnel to the drop pad. Had to waste a resupply cause of my noob mistake.

[jade tusk]

It's a combo of REZ and shield disruption. So chip damage adds up a hell of a lot faster than normal. It's pretty bad if you don't go in without a game plan

02 at least has Molly unlike last week EDD

[vernal willow]

I can't remember the third stage at all, so either I have PTSD or it wasn't memorable. I know nitra, like most weeks, is plentiful

[jade tusk]

Stage 3 is eggs with box. Modifier is swarm spam. This stage

Last week was on site refinery with 2 eggs and Low 02

[vernal willow]

With randoms having Molly is almost a curse 😅, everyone forgets O2 and then she plays ping ball between split up dwarves. Last week, at least everyone had to be responsible for themselves.

[jolly hazel]

don't forget the bulks

[old widget]

extraction on low O2 mining is always the best part

"oh, molly got ahead of me and dash is on cooldown? guess I'll die"
(or even worse, everyone piles in behind the driller's beeline tunnel to drop pod and forgets O2)

[jade tusk]

Bulks is a random Spawn. So DRG luck is a factor as well

[violet kraken]

did this on driller today

[jade tusk]

And DRG likes to give you those "Fuck you" spawns just to let you know it hates you

[violet kraken]

forgot o2 was a thing

dropped a resup in the tunnel tho so we didnt wipe in the EDD

and then3rd stage ass blasted us with bulks and spitballers

there were like 4 maybe 5 spitballers in the last stage was nuts

[old widget]

IMO best way to handle extraction on low O2 mining is to make sure you drop a supply pod in each chamber on the way down, then ignore molly and hop from chamber to chamber to pod on the way up

[jade tusk]

DRG: Drops the drop pod in a way you can't resupply pod hop to it

[violet kraken]

last weeks deep dive o2 on the last mission was legit that

[raw maple]

Did the deep dives reset today

[jade tusk]

Yes

[uncut dagger]

Oh wow, we got BOTH shield disruption and low 02.

[raw maple]

The modifiers this week doesn't even sound that bad except for the black box

Prob can use gunner with burning hell

[woeful patrol]

Apparently, there is a lot of bulk detonator

[cerulean lichen]

how is nitra situation in EDD this week?

[woeful patrol]

You get plenty of it

[cerulean lichen]

and how are the caves? not too complex i hope

[woeful patrol]

The first one is pretty straightforward, not a lot of space tho

[cerulean lichen]

thank you!

[scenic finch]

Oh no. Salvage dreads

And shield disruption

Welp

Scout gaming

[woeful patrol]

• Bet-c next to the pod ahah

[scenic finch]

You’re kidding.

[woeful patrol]

Absolutely not

[scenic finch]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[woeful patrol]

Next to the escape pod, not the one from which you came

And the bet-c is next to the cocoon of the dread lmao

[scenic finch]

Wow thats brutal

[glossy dock]

Karl said there’d be digs like this. There’d be digs like this Karl said.

[scenic finch]

At least stage 2 isnt terrible

[woeful patrol]

The cave is pretty tiny so everything is next to each other

[scenic finch]

Thats annoying

Hows the refining for normal dd?

I have ptsd from last weeks edd

[woeful patrol]

I haven't done it yet, I'm doing the EDD first

I almost threw my game by calling the pod without any O2 source next to me

[reef bison]

No, its just chance. I had 0 for dd and edd

[woeful patrol]

I just had one at the start of the stage 3 lmao

Next to the black box

[reef bison]

Well that's unfortunate

But I was lucky I suppose

Main threat is bet c in stage 1 of EDD

Just make sure your team doesn't activate dreadnought and fight bet c at the same time like mine did lol

We did it with a few downs but still could have been easier

[steep vault]

Shield disruption bet-c is a tortue method that should be illegal

[lunar aspen]

I don't think bet-c appears in solo - or at least it never bothered me

[woeful patrol]

I'm doing the edd in solo and I got a bet-c

I was going to ignored it but Bosco shoot it while trying to shoot a glyphid

[lunar aspen]

Really? I did the edd at 6;30 am so maybe I just totally forgot but I really don't remember one

[steep vault]

Right next to the drop pod, can't miss it

Plus it's loud

[lunar aspen]

That's why the generation and spawns will be slightly different between bersions

[steep vault]

Playstation

[lunar aspen]

Generation is slightly different between versions

I'll play it on xbox after work but did it initially on Steam

[woeful patrol]

The last stage of the EDD was so much stress omg

[wraith shard]

This was fun

Just did the EDD

[wraith shard]

Huge amount of swarms

[woeful patrol]

Too much swarms lmao

[wraith shard]

ye

[steep vault]

Me and the randos i played with didnt survive 2nd stage and after taking 4 tries for first i decided to take blank core and leave

[wraith shard]

O

I was also with randos

I guess I got lucky

[livid citrus]

last stage has a lot of swarmers and spitballers

[wraith shard]

yea

[woeful patrol]

I don't trust randos so I did it solo

[jade tusk]

Stage 3 is a Egg hunt. So the swarms are to your pace. Always confirm when to pull eggs so you don't catch your team mates with their pants down if you pull a swarm egg

[lunar aspen]

@jade tusk that's why I like egg hunts got big swarms at egg 4 and 5

[stuck tapir]

This deep dive seems harder than last weeks to attempt under 45 mins

Those damn refining missions

[jade tusk]

On site has a pretty decent set up for the DD. It's stage 1 that kills the pace since you have to hug molly on the way to the drop pod. Low 02 sucks

[stuck tapir]

I gotta get more practice in with Haz4 and 5s before doing a full EDD. Happy to just get the blank cores at this point

[jade tusk]

EDD is recommend to be competent in Haz 5

[stuck tapir]

Yea agreed. I actually got 46 mins last week and it had low O2 first stage. Was surprised to get it that quick

[jade tusk]

As long as you do Stage 1 and Stage 3 pretty fast. Stage 2 isn't gonna hurt you that much for time

[wraith shard]

At what point do most people start doing EDDs?

I started doing them at my 50-60hr mark, and they have not been as "hard" as people told me.

Like they are definitely challenging, but whenever i joined a lobby with my once promoted scout and me being player level 20-30(now i'm 30)

They always asked me if i can do it and EDDs are rough and some kicked me

[violet kraken]

i did them on gunner as soon as i hit promo i think

[wraith shard]

Ooo

noice

I guess some of us pick up the game faster than others

My friend is a lvl 24 driller but still doesn't know the basic stuff

[violet kraken]

eh i think newer gunner vs new scout or engi make a bigger difference

[wraith shard]

O

[violet kraken]

yeah a new gunner vs pro gunner im still gonna shoot my team mates a few times

[lunar aspen]

Your ready for EDD if your comfortable (I.e not going down all the time in haz5)

[jade tusk]

And some EDD can be rolled to be pretty easy such fast missions with weak modifier (Cave leech cluster as one example)

[pallid maple]

Having EDD pain, even bunkering we barely beat cave 1

[jolly hazel]

might be unironic skill issue

[violet warren]

So, did anyone else end the regular deep dive with 400+ nitra?

And I was testing how bad the ammo economy is on a 500 ammo cryo cannon build

[stuck hamlet]

we are doing dd no hud, last stage we both died, i iron willed, was about to res, but dd decided we were both down
so we failed it (?)
how is that possible

[jolly hazel]

you ran out of iron will time

[stuck hamlet]

no i just iw and was almost done ressing

[jade tusk]

Stage 2 of EDD. Got a hiveguard random spawn >.<

And 2 bulks

But survived it

[tacit grail]

stage 3 EDD is funny tbh

[jade tusk]

I hate swarmers so much

[worldly tulip]

What's the stages this week for DD and EDD

[tacit grail]

i swear to god stage 3 had 9 spitballers

[stuck hamlet]

pinned

[jade tusk]

There's 4 spitballers

[tacit grail]

i remember a lot more

[jade tusk]

And a brood just because

[tacit grail]

just me ig

[jade tusk]

Just to make sure there's more swarmers on your ass

[spiral panther]

What difficulty is EDD?

[cerulean lichen]

4.5/5/5.5

[jade tusk]

Wiped on stage 3 of EDD

3 words

Fucking. Hate. Swarmers

[viscid oak]

same ^ was going well up until then we just picked wrong corridor to hold the swarm back …game over 😂

our driller just randomly left after stage 1 so we were a 3 not ideal for edd tbh

[digital chasm]

bring ze flammenwerfer

[scenic finch]

@worldly tulip

[jade tusk]

We had a flamer driller, but he went off on his own adventure and the rest of us had our ankles eaten by swarmers beyond swarmers

[lunar helm]

I started them way later, over 150 hours in i think. Cause I like playing within my comfort zone before moving on to harder stuff

Now i try the EDD every week

[stuck tapir]

I'm just getting into the EDDs

I have quite a few promotions already and feel like I'm ready to try the next step up. Doing Haz3s with ease now but still haven't tried any Haz5s. Just finishing that hazard assignment

A lot of the friends I play with are much lower level so I've just been enjoying playing with them

[lunar helm]

Try haz 5 before edd

Imo

[stuck tapir]

I just did the first stage yesterday haha got through stage 1 with ease

Got our asses handed to us on the driller tho 🤣

[lunar helm]

EDD on average is about haz 5 level

[stuck tapir]

I was happy to at least get the blank core

[lunar helm]

Yeah that drilldozer mission was rough lol

[stuck tapir]

Yea it humbled us real quick

[lunar helm]

Stage one is haz 4.5

[stuck tapir]

I was actually surprised at how easily we did that one

So it kinda gave me hope but nooope

[lunar helm]

Adrenaline kicking in cause it's EDD helps, at least for me lol

[stuck tapir]

Still got some work to do haha gotta start doing haz4s regularly

I feel like I'm more than qualified with the promotions and time I've put it but other than playing more Haz4s..not sure what else to do

[lunar helm]

Rn i play mostly haz 4,haz 5 when I'm feeling it and my connection is good

[stuck tapir]

Yea I gotta make that next step to Haz4 regularly

[tall meadow]

hm not gonna bring hyperprop for this EDD this week, one dread no problem

[stuck tapir]

Also still figuring out best load outs/perks for certain missions

[lunar helm]

Yeah, haz 3 will seem too easy once you get used to 4

[stuck tapir]

Its already much easier than before. So its good to see progress at least

[lunar helm]

I wouldn't ever bring hyperprop to EDD unless dreads on every stage lol

[stuck tapir]

Cause getting my ass handed to me on Haz5 driller escort sucked haha

[lunar helm]

Escort is painful

Especially if you don't have a full team

[jade tusk]

Escort isn't fun with a small team or solo

[wraith shard]

Escort is slow

[neat swan]

Having done a two man Escort EDD for the second mission, I will forever be scarred by just how low that healthbar actually was when doretta finally drilled her last.

... That was a bitter defeat.

[jade tusk]

Remember this for future attempts. If you repair any segment of Dotty to 100% she'll gain 3 seconds of damage immunity

[neat swan]

Oh

Oh that is GOOD to know

what about the whole one person repairing vs multiple thing?

[jade tusk]

Better to have 1 person repair. There's no benefit to multiple players at once

[neat swan]

alright. Heard that earlier today, but it's good to get that confirmed via multiple sources

[jade tusk]

One more thing. If Dotty has lots of HP and the heart stone is at the last bit of it's health and you're down to a last dwarf standing due to all the chaos. It may be best to hang back and let Dotty damage boost to the end

[ebon anchor]

There's a nice alcove to funnel swarms in on stage 3 EDD if your engi has repellent

Can set up sups there as well

Somewhere on the middle level

[neat swan]

On a related note to that... would you consider fatboy worth taking on EDD? It's... kinda the only overclock I've got for the PGL right now.

[jade tusk]

Ehhhh. For this week. Not so much

REZ glyphs have resistance to Rad damage making it less effective normally

Maybe be better to go overclock less for this EDD for more ammo to throw out

[neat swan]

Yeaaah. Had a feeling about that.
It's fun to use, but even with both ammo upgrades it feels.. situational. At best

[ebon anchor]

Fat boy is good for wave clear and area denial cos enemies who walk in it get damaged after

[neat swan]

I just like the PGL more than the breach cutter, in the end. Breach ain't bad per say. But I'm a lot more consistant with the 'nades

[jade tusk]

5 shots isn't a lot to play with. Just have to be know when it's a good time to use the fatboy shot which takes time using it to get a better feel for it

[ebon anchor]

I am too used to the PGL cos I like to shoot stuff off the walls

Lol

[jade tusk]

I like the PGL as well. I like having a group clear

If to help you make a better choice. EDD has 1 dread to slay and the dread is the Classic dreadnaught

[neat swan]

Honestly the only boss I've felt good using the Fatboy on at all is the bloody caretaker. And an EDD boss it is not.

But yeah. We'll see how this goes. Push comes to shove, I can wait for the rollover and at least net myself another blank core from EDD mission one

it's like getting your feet wet, all in all. Learn the mindset. Learn the difficulty and the patters, and eventually it gets nailed down.

[jade tusk]

EDD is best done once you're good enough at Haz 5 that you're not the team's resident Glyph bait AKA being competent enough

And this EDD isn't good for first time runner since it slams a lot of brutal modifiers up the butt. Shield disrupt, Low 02, and massive swarmer spam

[neat swan]

Yeaaah. I get that. Which is why I don't jump in with randoms to do this. just my mates. I'm competent at the game... but I'm FAR from a master yet

That said, I can appreciate the slowing ability of Nerotoxin on dreadnaughts. It has save more than a few dwarves bacon. My own included.

[old widget]

it's a great support effect

[jade tusk]

NTP gunners are always good to have.

[old widget]

turns haz5 speed demon 'naughts into dopey haz 2/3

(just stay out of range)

[jade tusk]

Or turn a slasher into slow grunt

[neat swan]

I really lucked out in that regard for my gunner setup. NTP on autocannon as my first and only overclock, and magic bullets on the revolver. Granted, I don't overstack on that. The autocannon gets paired with the BRT7, the minigun gets the revolver. And both have a fresh, reliable slow effect.

[jade tusk]

I been running 6 shooter on my Revolver

[neat swan]

Granted, I tend to bring the minigun if I KNOW we'll be dread hunting... which means that for DD and EDD, I normally have the auto on missions

Haven't gotten that yet. I have gotten elephant rounds and homebrew powder though.

I... cannot personally justify using the former over the latter on anything. I get it's more consistent for raw damage, but there's so many trade offs

[jade tusk]

Elephant would be my choice over homebrew.

Homebrew can either give you a nice boost in damage or make you miss a breakpoint because you rolled low

[neat swan]

Yeaaah.
Honestly the biggest trade off for me between the two is ammo.

the rest I can compensate for with time, effort and practice.
Ammo... ammo is a hard limit

[jade tusk]

1 ammo upgrade will cover the weakness of hit.

[odd path]

If you pick your targets carefully you only need 36 rounds

[jade tusk]

Bulldog is more you pull out to deal with 1 or 2 targets at most before swapping back to your main weapon

[neat swan]

Yeaah.
Gunner is probably my least played class, all in all. In Deep dives and otherwise.
Still a bit of a greenbeard for solid building with things like the bulldog, so using it properly is... gonna take some getting used to.

[jade tusk]

Think of this. The BRT gives you a fodder killing if you spec your primary into single target killing. Bulldog is the opposite giving you high single target killing if you spec your primary into crowd clearing

[neat swan]

Aye.
I've mostly been building the BRT for guaranteed stun. I've got a single clean overclock for... I wanna say reload speed and fire rate?
Most of my OC's went to the bulldog... or other classes.

[jade tusk]

I have Lead spray, Experimental, and full chamber for my BRT.

[neat swan]

I've heard good things about lead spray. I haven't looked into the other ones quite yet.

I think I have two or three hurricane overclocks.
The one gunner weapon I currently don't even use. Funny thing, that.

My friend uses it, but... it does not seem like my kinda weapon, tbh

[digital chasm]

hurricane is decent, still like the autocannon better

[jade tusk]

I like the Hurricane because it doesn't have a "get going" like the Auto and Minigun which is nice if a swarm spawns on you or you and your team is caught with your pants down

[neat swan]

Which I can understand. It's just...
To be honest I really don't even have an excuse. It seems well rounded between single and swarm. The guided aspect just wigs my brain out a little bit.

On a similar note. Thoughts on incendiary vs cluster for swarms? I know most gunners are drawn to the latter for one reason or another, but I feel like the former might be a bit more consistant.

[odd path]

Hurricane also is the only Gunner primary that doesn't (noticably) hinder movement while firing

*Without OCs

[jade tusk]

Incendiary if doing more "Hold the line" style missions. Cluster for more general purpose

[neat swan]

And if one is pairing it with the NTP Autocannon build, per say? Would that remain the same or would that be a bit of 'hold the line' overkill?

[odd path]

I would say stickies with NTP

More "single-target" grenades

[jade tusk]

And with sticky you get 6 of them

[neat swan]

Sith sticky.

Something something force grenades

But yeah, I get that

I'll bear that im mind going forwards. Thank you.

[unkempt saffron]

It really depends, in general sure you can do it this way but since the bulldog has magic bullets the opposite can be applied too

Also, if youre brt is focused on killing fodder, then it can also be used for single target damage, though ymmv

[odd path]

BRT is not good at swarm clear

That's just a thing with Gunner, where his only AoE secondary option is Magic Bullets Bulldog.

[wraith shard]

is this where we talk about the edd

about to head into it, anything i should know going in?

[odd comet]

I feel like a lot of people underestimate Magic Bullets Bulldog's effectiveness against big enemies too though. The ability to proc Neurotoxin on a dread, for example, from anywhere in the room regardless of what direction it's facing is vastly underrated

[vague sun]

when molly went to the drop pod in stage 1 (normal DD), we kept running out of oxygen so we had to keep reviving each other while the driller made a path to the drop pod

[odd path]

It's bad at doing actual straight damage, but you're right

The quick neuro proc is very useful

Man, if I got the first two stages of the EDD done, I would finish my weapon OC grind this week

But that looks... real tough.

[jolly hazel]

DD is comically easy this week

[odd path]

I had a full party when I started mine, I finished it solo.

[jolly hazel]

the edd doesn't look too bad

[left sleet]

how's it compared to last week?

[odd path]

Had a dude join for his first DD, called the pod early while the Driller was sweating every drop of nitra in the last cave, then spent a resupp trying to have air to make it back. Driller got pissy and left, Eng ducked out right before the 1st stage ended.

Gunner, the greenbeard, just randomly says "bye bye" in chat halfway through stage two, and leaves little Scout me just as an Egg swarm kicks off.

:[

[left sleet]

ouch

[jolly hazel]

good practice

[ancient arrow]

OOF

[jade tusk]

Times like that I wish for a vote mechanic on drop pod calling

[gray terrace]

Just joined the discord. I think I was in your party. I was a scout. TNTizzle. I just want you to know I was not the one who pushed the button. The driller did. And I was trying to get my mic to work the whole time and was getting real heated at my headset lol

[odd path]

You were not.

Because I was the Scout./

[jade tusk]

There's an elf among us

[unkempt saffron]

Lmao

[unkempt saffron]

Not swarm clear, just fodder clear, i dont really think we need more taxonomy for certain ways to kill enemies but i view fodder clear as just killing off some of the leftover bugs, not really a swarm size kinda deal

The brt works fine enough for that, but then again almost every weapon works well enough for that

[gray terrace]

Ah got ya. Well I was in a deep dive where a driller pushed the button early and my mic wasn't working and the party leader was getting understandably mad. And I felt bad but like I was more mad that someone who had played a while would still hit the button early like that.

And it's just common courtesy to let the party leader do it when they are ready

[odd path]

Well it was the DD, I didn't really care

We were gonna get more nitra in stage 2 so

[gray terrace]

I just wish I could get my mic to work. I have no idea what the solution is lol

[odd path]

It's easy to have an abundance of nitra the deep dives

And with DD being sub-Haz 4, like, it's fine

We already had enough for like 3 resupps at that point anyway

[left sleet]

did you end up finishing

[odd path]

Oh yeah

[left sleet]

or did you just quit with it being a 2P DD

[odd path]

No, 1P

Last dude besides me dipped at Stage 2

[left sleet]

lol

that's OK

bosco is better

[odd path]

Well whaddyou know, I managed the first two stages of the EDD after all

[tranquil apex]

what got ya on the third

entering the EDD rn blind

[odd path]

I did, I quit

I maybe could have done it, I still had all my lives left, but it's a cosmetic, I'll be rolling in those now

[unkempt saffron]

Stage 3 is quite the bitch, need to try it again later

[acoustic peak]

you can proc neuro through armor, you just need to hit the thing

[bold maple]

Managed to get 1300 elims with my engy build in this weeks EDD lol

On a 3 man team

That stage 3 was super fun. LOK1 ECR with breach cutter made it fairly easy, and turrets and prox mines supplemented.

[tranquil apex]

what do yall reckon is the best weapon driller wise for this weeks edd

we're struggling to beat the very ending when watiign for the pod to power

[tranquil apex]

this sounds stupid but in options audio screwing with the audio input/output devices got mine working finally after it just stopped working randomly

it was set to default which is correct but I guess I had to change it, not completely sure. Disc works on default fine so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip idol]

cryo cannon... Ice Spear

cryodriller can easily carry all that

no shields? take best cc in face of cryocannon
dreads? freeze n kill em with cryocannon
multiple rad praets? freeze n kill with cryocannon

salvage's tight circle? no thing will pass in with cryocannon

Ice spear is good anti-dread weapon and also will help with detonators, grabbers and brundles at distance

[tranquil apex]

is ice spear a OC? i dont think i have that

[tulip idol]

it's fine, the main power of cryo is main freezing beam and Cold Radiance at T5

Ice Spear just helps with heavy targets you can't reach or freeze properly and there's plenty in this edd

use axes instead

to have synergy with cryo cannon Gunner should take minigun and since there's swarmers... Bullet Hell is the way I think

bullet hell is actually the best synergy for cryo cannon

lead spray would be highly advised too

[undone parrot]

Bullet hell with blowthrough?

[tulip idol]

I prefer stun cause it turns into the best cc gun

It stuns the whole wave and in that matter it's like cryo cannon with infinite range

[gray terrace]

Thank you for the info. I'll try screwing with it, see if it helps.

[tulip idol]

stunning Bullet Hell + 6-burst lead spray is very good combo and getting amped the most wtih cryo cannon

blowthrough/AB Bullet hell is good but it's just another aoe dmg dealer which looses to true aoe guns

although, I prefer snipin' with elephant rounds but for this edd lead spray is the way

[tranquil apex]

fingers crossed, I tried a dozen different things in support channel and that's what fixed it

[woeful lark]

3rd stage of EDD is brutal. Swarms, Swarms everywhere

[haughty orchid]

Yeah we wiped hard on stage three

[woeful lark]

Shellbacks yeeting us out of my shield(gunner) into hordes of swarmers, truly the worst way to go... well that and cave leech clusters

[unkempt saffron]

Yeah stage 3 is tough, recommend getting some weapons with solid aoe

[glossy walrus]

yeah so many swarms, then we got bulks in our pool so that was extra fun

[unkempt saffron]

Bulks are fairly common for this edd

[glossy walrus]

we only had bulks on stage3, didn't get em on the others

[woeful lark]

for us stage 2 had one just at the end of evac

[unkempt saffron]

Got for stage 2 and 3

[wraith shard]

Oh okay

I might have progressed too fast then

As soon as I unlocked the DD

Did my first

It was very very easy

Then edd I jumped directly

Was hard

Lost the first 2-3 times

Now as long as the team is semi decent I can usually do the EDDs

I can only do them with my scout

Others I'm used to haz 4

Haz 5 I haven't played much with other classes

I'm good at scout, kinda, not a greybeard but not a greenbeard either. At scout. I feel atleast.

It's really fun. Haz 5.5 it is, the last stage of EDD

[tranquil apex]

edd finished, wiped twice on stage 1 but after we got past stage 1 we did it first shot 😎

was good fun

[wraith shard]

Yay

Yes

The last stage was fun

Huge amount of swarms

[tranquil apex]

I was using goo so whenever a swarm started we just stood in it

worked wonders

[trim stream]

Stage 1 we accidentally started the dreadnaught somehow, and then accidentally aggro'd a betc mid dread fight.. 5 deaths there but 0 deaths for the rest of the EDD, first try, felt good

[glossy marlin]

just had a horrible EDD that I had to kick a newb out of

the guy just had no clue

resupplied on 3.5 bars

like 2 times

and then at the end dug out a double-egg that caused a double wave that almost wiped us

even though it was clear that he should not dig out 2 eggs at the same time

[trim stream]

New people gotta learn somehow lol

[glossy marlin]

I mean, yes, but you learn by reading and listening

[trim stream]

Preferably not on EDD.. but yea lol

[glossy marlin]

I sent like 6 messages as he was digging

being like

DONT DIG THIS

[tranquil apex]

I was at 3 bars and i had under 1.5 clips of ammo left, the bars arent always a perfect indicator

but yeah , learning on EDD is deff rough