deep-dive-discussion

[wraith shard]

you only get cores when you complete a given deep dive stage for the first time, so six from deep dives total per week

[wraith peak]

easy day, thanks

much easier way to get cores than getting blanks, and doing regular missions

[lucid nest]

Each week you can get 3 blanks, 3 weapon cores and 3 cosmetic cores this is excluding the bonus cores you get for crafting 5 ocs

[wraith peak]

and the bonus cores are just that self kept 5 bar at the forge?

[lucid nest]

Yeah

You get 3 from the weekly core hunt 3 from dd and 3 from edd

[chilly pine]

Don’t have 5 yet

3-4

[waxen terrace]

well normal deep dives are just slightly harder than haz 3

its like haz 3.5

but elite dives go up to haz 4-5.5

[vocal compass]

dd: haz3, haz3.5, haz3.5
edd: haz4.5, haz5, haz5.5

[polar jungle]

holy shit this weeks EDD sucks

stage 3 is awful

[safe plinth]

lol yeah, with a random squad it was a bit more tough than usual

[lunar helm]

EDD stage 3 can be rough

luckily my team was all level 200+

[waxen terrace]

stage 3 is fine

just stick close to your mates whenever you hear bugs spawning

[supple hollow]

Stage 2 was the hardest for me, keeping the dozer alive while playing solo is tough

[wraith shard]

if they kick you does that mean loot gets split in 3 instead of 4? Or does everyone still get the same amount of loot?

[burnt sandal]

everyone get the same amount

besides, the important part of the deep dives is the cores

there are no materials in deep dives

[wraith shard]

o

[shut heron]

Finally cleared EDD solo for the first time

this week is definitely easier than usual

rock and stone brothas

[hardy nacelle]

now do it again, but on karl mode

[coral raven]

Now do it as a pacifist

[shut heron]

no

[midnight grove]

Hey whats a good build for each gunner weapon?

[vocal compass]

what was todays deep dive

i will maybe play it now so i need to be ready

[jolly hazel]

check pinned messages

[vocal compass]

ok

found it

[pearl plover]

looking for a 4th

deep dive elite

[jolly hazel]

#lfg-steam

[pearl plover]

yeah we posted there too

[unkempt saffron]

Surprisingly the final stage on this weeks dd was kinda challenging with the mactera swarms patrolling the bottom of the cave, though the toughest part was the grabbers tryna fondle your dwarf

And the edd was pretty straightforward, which is always good

[open ledge]

I couldn’t get past stage 2, on the last stage of the drilldozer the beams shot up and there were too many bugs

[unkempt saffron]

Were you running it with a team or solo?

[open ledge]

Team of 4

One of each class

All with OC’s

Good ones too

[tawny zenith]

failed the edd on stage 3

i am frustrated

[unkempt saffron]

For stage 2 id suggest on exploring the entire cave network first, all the way to the end, that helped a lot in gathering nitra and getting an idea on the lay of the land (but its an edd so this isnt too necessary)

[hardy nacelle]

predrill is your friend

[unkempt saffron]

For the dozer battle id suggest clearing some space around the dozer and just treat it as any other final dozer battle

[hardy nacelle]

move fast, move smart

[unkempt saffron]

Also, your gunner should imo be putting shields when dotty starts to crack health wise, but for the final stage of the battle if dotty is still in full health id suggest your team move around to handle the swarm

[open ledge]

Pre drilling wasn’t the issue

[unkempt saffron]

You can risk to lose the 2 healthbars on dotty if it means your teams survival, also after a healthbar is gone i assume dotty has a sort of invincible state for a certain amount of time, which helps greatly to prolong it from getting more damage and going all the way till the end

[waxen terrace]

good OCs as in?

like are those OCs good for handling swarms and large enemies?

[marsh haven]

depends

some are

[jolly hazel]

driller should be taking care of the beamers

[marsh haven]

others arent

[marsh haven]

or scout

scout can one tap them

[jolly hazel]

scout gets one crack at it per power attack or engie needs to be on top of his plats

gunner wastes ammo/time shooting at them

[marsh haven]

it does help in a bad situation tho

[open ledge]

Yup

I guess we just didn’t play good enough

[waxen terrace]

also the weapons used can help

[open ledge]

I’ll try again today, I just want the weapon oc

[jolly hazel]

team skill matters more than weapon oc 99% of time

either have driller w/dash for beamers

or engie plat/scout grappler at the tips

[waxen terrace]

epc miner driller makes easy work of the beams

also imo swarms are a more prominent threat than the beams

just 1 person should deal with the beams the other 3 deal with whatever bug

[jolly hazel]

ya they dont even really do THAT much dps

they look very flashy though

[true lotus]

If one teammate leaves, is the difficulty gonna decrease

[jolly hazel]

yes

does not decrease from 2->1

[true lotus]

So
4>3 yes
3>2 yes
2>1 no

?

[jolly hazel]

yep

[true lotus]

Oki thanks

[lime lance]

anyone wanna do a DD or EDD?

[smoky gorge]

this week EDD is really hard

stage 3 is just brutal

[open ledge]

Oof

[midnight grove]

Whats the best overclock i can put on the cannon for gunner

[old widget]

#drg-chat - this channel is for discussing the endgame deep dive content

[jolly hazel]

weekly core assignment

[marsh haven]

and deep dives

you can get 6 OCs a week

[smoky gorge]

i had no problem with stage 2 but i always die in the last stage

i'm playing engie and with engie dorreta is not very hard

[open ledge]

What’s your turret setup? And are you using turret whip?

[smoky gorge]

1111 and yes i’m using turret whip

[marsh haven]

turret whip is so nice

[smoky gorge]

If i dont use turret whip i use 1211 or 2211, because you dont need the extra ammo then

[wicked ravine]

What's the current Deep Dive mission set?

[sick ginkgo]

Give me a second

Normal deep dive

[wicked ravine]

oh

[sick ginkgo]

Sorry

[wicked ravine]

oh its in pins

sorry

[sick ginkgo]

A

Ok

Good luck i'm the five

[wraith shard]

Which AC build should i use for this dd

[floral meteor]

I did this week's DD with a friend, a level 11 scout.

It's not hard at all.

Just be careful on the second stage in the black box room.

[fallow spruce]

Finished solo wits scout. This week Edd is not hard

[jolly hazel]

you should be able to get away with basically anything for the dd

if u want meta, its neurotixn/fear or splintering shells/carpet bomber rof

[wraith shard]

Is it better to take out dreads first?

[fervent trellis]

whats the ratio of difficulty for norm deep dive?

[fervent trellis]

if you can resupply its mainly your choice though i would say yes mostly because you dont want to pickaxe it to death

[severe tusk]

DD is haz 3/3.5/3.5.

[tawny nest]

how do people beat this week elite deep dive playlist? 3 tries, 2 failed at lvl 2 (menaces, spitballs, exploder+swarms combos) and 1 failed at lvl 3, any specific tips to get good/prep?

[rotund ivy]

hey im knew here, are there people to help with dives?

[graceful needle]

?/10?

Last week would put it at a 2.5-3/10 for reference

[old widget]

Usual Haz5 advice applies. Always be repositioning, don’t let bugs get behind you, prioritize fliers/spitters, etc.

“Try not to die”

[jolly hazel]

do not stand still

if you have a mental layout of the cave you are in, you are less likely to get caught

also what he said ^

[jolly hazel]

try #lfg channels

[jolly hazel]

id say yes because you might pop the dread by accident doing black box

[rotund ivy]

TY TY

[jagged pumice]

completed the deep dive, was fun

decided to record it and it took a lot of storage space

[wraith shard]

Need one more for DD

[jolly hazel]

it is 40-1 hour of recording

[wraith shard]

Way easier than last week imo, also because of a pretty decent cave gen (lots of big, typical Weald open spaces to set up fighting areas).
Last stage is the only one that can get messy if the group doesn't stick together.

[wicked ravine]

holy shit this week's EDD is insane

the Escort Mission is pure RNG ass

[wraith shard]

Do u only get an overclock for one deepdive? Like if u do the dd twice u still supposed to get oc?

[jolly hazel]

no

one time per week

[wraith shard]

the first mission of the EDD was hardest for me because I was solo eng and just missed like literally half the morkite first pass while advancing to the black box

the last chamber is awful verticality hell too

which you can avoid if you collect all the morkit in the preceding

[vernal willow]

the last stage gets me on EDD

[jolly hazel]

kite either in the low area u spawn in or the top area to the left of the minehead

[fluid plover]

top area is better because minehead turrets can help

[stuck hamlet]

this week dd was a fun one
stage 1 both my engies died near the end and had to survive till the slow molly would get back to the pod, plus with twin dread random spawn

how are we on edd this week? is the spawn trash?

[unkempt saffron]

The last stage of the edd is relatively easy, just set some plats or zips to get up to the dispenser pod and then just treat it like any other PE mission, the cave layout for stage 3 is pretty much the default PE mission cave, which is great if one is familiar with them

[supple hollow]

I just used bosco to get all the crystals in stage 3 edd

And i stayed near the turrets

[unkempt saffron]

Well if you play solo then thats a fine option too

[brisk pagoda]

id reccomend not using auto cannon on magma core, your bullets will leave fire all over the floor.

[wraith shard]

All weapons dont destroy terrain?

[burnt sandal]

no

only some weapons do

PGL, bulldog and every gunner's primary do and I think that's pretty much it (if we're only talking about guns)

the EPC can as well with the right build ofc

[jolly hazel]

i dont think that outweighs how much more useful ac is than minigun on a 0 dread mission

[wraith shard]

Just use bullet hell

[unkempt saffron]

Or just stick with ac

[ripe shard]

Can you survive EDD without overclocks?

[burnt sandal]

yes

[ripe shard]

Fosho I’ll have to give it a try sometime!

[hazy comet]

thats how we did it when deep dives first came out

[burnt sandal]

pretty much

[hazy comet]

i still remember the first EDD what a shit show

[charred kiln]

For EDD, at what level do you stop kicking people ?

i get kicked pretty quickly even tho i think i'm a pretty decent player

[atomic prawn]

what's your level tho 😂 other people don't play long enough with you to know if you're decent or not

[burnt sandal]

I don't kick people because of their levels but a lot of players like to think that level = skills for some reason

[atomic prawn]

it sorta rings true for low levels

[old widget]

I recall that frustration from my early days, had to hit about player level 50 to not get instakicked 100% of the time when trying to join pub EDDs.

I’d recommend hosting a game in #lfg-* if you’re running into that problem.

[atomic prawn]

yeah, since EDD is roughly an hour's time, and people just can't be arsed investing that into a stranger

[old widget]

Basically

[burnt sandal]

nah

[atomic prawn]

ehh bronze 1s don't always give me hope

[burnt sandal]

never got problems personally

[atomic prawn]

i've seen one too many join hoping for carry, not just edd but like double xp missions n shit

[jolly hazel]

for double xp i just get super impatient people

who immediately run into the drop pod and then leave if the pod doesn't go in 30 seconds

also depends if u are getting kicked during the lobby or during the game

if its you getting kicked early in the game its probably a you problem

[gentle shore]

I just did a deep dive and got a blank matrix core I think it’s called. What do I do with it?

It’s by my credits

In the top right

[knotty cloud]

in missions youll come across machine events, at the end of some of the eventst therell be a loot crate that you have to stick that into to get the reward

[jolly hazel]

you get to choose the overclock (out of 3 choices) instead of it being random

[gentle shore]

Ah. Thanks

[unkempt saffron]

Technically, the oc you get is still random but its only limited to the class you chose

[charred kiln]

not high, i have about 40 hours in and i main enginner. I succesfully did a solo EED a few hours ago

[unkempt saffron]

Its best to host your own games, either if youre a low level or a high level player

You may have those who join and have doubts, but they probably arent gonna find any other edd game so there wont be any second guesses

[wild glade]

question, im new to the game. if you've done your deep dive and got the 3 matrix cores. can you get new ones if you do deep dive again or only next week when they reset?

[violet warren]

You can only get one reward from each deep dive, though you can get rewards from both the regular deep dive, elite deep dive, and weekly core hunt

[wild glade]

gotcha, thanks mate

is the elite deep dive alot harder?

[hardy nacelle]

yes

[wild glade]

hmm well this is gonna be fun then lol

[burnt sandal]

good luck

[burnt sandal]

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/548430/extras/AboutThisGame_Top.gif

[wild glade]

thank you! bought the game 3 days ago and im loving it so far.. got 30h+ on it already lol

[violet warren]

Regular deep dive is relatively simple and I'd say the average team can handle it easily, elite deep dive is pretty brutal and you'll want to bring in optimized loadouts and builds

[hardy nacelle]

speaking of, I had a nice run of normal DD

had a crew of fresh promoted dwarves, but they held their own weight for most of it

[wild glade]

1/3 done in EDD.. lets do this

doable so far with good teamwork

[viscid oak]

Dont stand on doretta for stage 2 when the rocks start coming ..you’ll get team wiped quickly …if you got a gunner with you get them to drop a shield every now and then on the side to fix doretta up

also if engineer is with you helps they put some platforms on the ground behind doretta and keep em topped up…,this week it’s sunk into the ground a little and you seem to get snagged running in that zone

[wild glade]

yeaah we died end stage 2.. 2 teammates died last stage.... and then got overrun

[wheat shadow]

is there anything I should worry about while doing a deep dive by myself?

[burnt sandal]

just be mindful of leeches

and abuse bosco's capabilities to do objectives/mine/slow bugs on command

[wheat shadow]

good news, bosco immediately comes to your aid when you get leech'd

[burnt sandal]

yeah

[wheat shadow]

more good news, I'm an engie with a grappling hook and shield

[fierce glen]

Hey is there a recommend gear mod guide for the driller ? 🙂

[unkempt saffron]

For this specific dd or edd? Not really

But if you want some general weapon modding guides or ideas then check out karl.gg

[fierce glen]

ty

[fluid pewter]

had a good dd until the last 30 seconds. Knocked off the zip line that i had direct to escape pod. everyone else died. I think this game makes you lose at the last second. I'm not happy, gotta put this down for a bit.

died too*

[humble sparrow]

rock and stone brother, that's always a tough way to go out

[wraith shard]

looks like you've never played souls games don't give up

[orchid jasper]

yeah I just tried solo EDD.... not sure how anyone does this... exploder sneak up on you... swarmers 1 hit your shields.... even in a 4 man I only got past stage 1.

[fluid pewter]

https://imgflip.com/i/62d4ss

[humble sparrow]

same, I don't want to let people down so I haven't tried an EDD group yet, but that 4.5 difficulty hits hard

[fluid pewter]

I'm playing gunner, and it seems like such a weak class when you get to dd. It's not even a glass cannon, it's just glass. "Here's a zipline to help you get across chasms! Whoops, forgot to tell you that any damage from enemies drops you into the chasm! Oh well!"

[waxen terrace]

have to learn when to not get on the zipline

[humble sparrow]

I always appreciate a good zipline over dreadnaught fights, and sometimes even just over big waves. Maybe level up another class and see if their mechanics strike you better!

[waxen terrace]

and ngl gunner is still a very important class

[stray dock]

yea, especially if u got NTP

[fluid pewter]

Don't get me wrong - I actually love the gunner class. I try to play like its a support role. Dropping shields, shield link, AOE damage, try to be thoughtful on zipline placement. I'm just like 1/10 on regular dd and this one hurt the most haha.

[stray dock]

what kind of build are u running?

[jolly hazel]

don't stop moving

[jolly hazel]

you have one of the most important roles in the game as a guaranteed revive for each shield

alternatively a 10 second bunker to wipe a swarm

[jolly hazel]

what class do you play usually

[humble sparrow]

I main engi

[waxen terrace]

in higher difficulties its pretty key to know how to juke bugs

[jolly hazel]

^

dash helps

especially on low mobility classes

[jolly hazel]

its unuronically hard to go wrong with engie as long as you keep moving

[fluid pewter]

This last one was Hurricane 32122 - don't have an overclock
BRT 13211 - only have microflechettes
Elemental insulation, thorns, born ready, shield link, iron will

[jolly hazel]

have you completed haz 5 missions?

[fluid pewter]

trying to get more overclocks

[jolly hazel]

imo switch out shield link for dash, elemental for resupplier, and stick with autocannon

[humble sparrow]

Yeah I use dash, and i try to stay mobile. I think I just need more reps. No, I stick to 3 or lower on missions, so I just need practice

[waxen terrace]

id also say switch off thorns for resupp

[fluid pewter]

k

[waxen terrace]

born ready is fine there

[jolly hazel]

thorns are nice

fuck swarmers

fuck jellyfish

I'm not dealing with the ONE jelly following me

[waxen terrace]

if youre using AC swarmers isnt an issue

[jolly hazel]

yeah but fuck swarmers

[fluid pewter]

oh we can swear here!
fuck swarmers

[waxen terrace]

and in DDs you should be sticking to your team

aka the swarmer killer aka driller

[fluid pewter]

we stuck together pretty well for a random group. just the last 30 killed us.

[jolly hazel]

yeah it seems a bit daunting at first but if u understand kiting and how not to get surrounded you should be golden

the driller on my edd is usually down for 25% of the mission

[jolly hazel]

yeah the drop pod can be trolly on pe

[stray dock]

think driller usually has the most dangerous role, esp if there are dreads xD

[jolly hazel]

yeah driller requires a lot of situational/mental awareness despite being the big dumb flame thrower class

[fluid pewter]

Yeah I get kiting, and it's part of my playstyle.

[jolly hazel]

also good audio cue recognition

[fluid pewter]

My favorite pair to work with are engi and scout. Beast combo for gathering resources.

[fluid pewter]

Is dash second wind? I'm not a fan of having to sprint for 4 seconds before there is a benefit. I do like resupplier.

[jolly hazel]

no second wind is a passive, dash is an active

resupplier giving u the hp bonus+reload helps esp with gunner

[fluid pewter]

I found it, I'm a dumb

[jolly hazel]

dash u would have to give up shield boost or iron will

id personally keep iron will

because u can get two revives for free basically

iron will, kill bugs, revive during latter half of the iron will, throw down shield before u die, dwarf u just revived can now revive you in safety

even better if people die together then u can shield a whole team up

[fluid pewter]

Yeah thats the plan

I'm only on one promotion, very very few overclocks, not all perks. so that could be it.

Not enough regular assignments, so I go to DD and get toe up

to' up

tore up abbreviation?

[jolly hazel]

torn up

[jolly hazel]

don't worry too much about that, just learning the game will make up for any build issues and more

[fluid pewter]

I appreciate you for trying to help. I don't appreciate you talking to me like I've never played a game before. If you want to say "get good" just say it clearly and out loud.
I was just venting about losing in the last seconds of a dd.
I know I don't have all the things and stuff to just change up my build as needed.

[jolly hazel]

learning this particular game doesn't imply you have never done anything fps related

target prioritization and understanding game movement takes time

you read way too deep into an encouragement

[fluid pewter]

your encouragement sounds like a put down. You do not get to decide how your words come across to someone else. I'm guilty of that also. adding an insult to the end of your comment is not great either.

[jolly hazel]

not an insult, statement of fact

I can decide that my comment is directed towards someone who is not insecure about their ability

[fluid pewter]

It's a fact that I read too deep?

[jolly hazel]

yes that my mindless platitude was a dig at ur skill

[fluid pewter]

Sure you can decide that, but that doesn't mean the other person isn't involved haha

[jolly hazel]

whatever helps you sleep at night

[fluid pewter]

you too

[hasty sierra]

Lol

[tall meadow]

lmao this is some funny convo

[nocturne kelp]

chronic

[hasty sierra]

Lmao

[quasi quartz]

this is a real moment

[placid crane]

words to live by

[hasty sierra]

Lol

[tired needle]

whats the EDD this week?

[wraith shard]

The EDD this week is pain lmao

[tired needle]

D:

[wraith shard]

Check the pinned messages

Last stage is pretty rough

[cunning thistle]

Edd was pretty doable imo. refueling was slightly annoying

[wraith shard]

We struggled super hard in the last stage-

New swarms kept spawning before we cleared the last one

[cunning thistle]

Last stage was like 12 minutes

[wraith shard]

Speed is key I guess

[cunning thistle]

For sure

[jolly hazel]

yeah thats PE for you

[wraith shard]

Once ammo gets low it's pretty much a lost cause with regenerative bugs on haz 5.5

[tired needle]

anyone gonna tell me what it is XD

[wraith shard]

Check the pinned messages

[cunning thistle]

click the pin on top to see

[tired needle]

where is that XDXDXDXD

all the way up?

[jolly hazel]

look to the right

the pin icon

top right

[cunning thistle]

📌

[tired needle]

bro

ive been using disc for years

never new that

LOL

[wraith shard]

Knowledge!

[tired needle]

jesus

the last mission

looks like pain

did someone say stage 2 is also hard? it doesnt look that bad

[cunning thistle]

the map sucks. oil shale is like 100m up

Last mission is easy with speed

[wraith shard]

Refueling is awkard, but other than that it's doable

[tired needle]

noted

[wraith shard]

Definitely speed, ammo runs out quickly with all the swarmers running around and healing back up

[cunning thistle]

I think we did three resupplies on mission 3. Two was plenty but we had nitra to burn

[jolly hazel]

I think we had 5 or 6 total lol

got stuck on the bottom with egg swarm+rng swarm

so we pulled two down there

this week is definetly a speed/efficiency check but I wouldnt say its horrible cave gen rng

just bring gunner with angle zipline mod lol

[cunning thistle]

oof. we did the lower egg last. driller ran back to the mine head with us killing anything behind him

[polar jungle]

bruh this weeks EDD is awful

[cunning thistle]

which part was the worst for you?

[polar jungle]

LAST

[cunning thistle]

Maybe we were just lucky then. Pretty smooth sailing

[polar jungle]

I HATE SWARMERS HOLY SHITBALLS

[cunning thistle]

Infestation problem? Automated turrets mate!

[polar jungle]

our gunner wasn't running a gun good for swarmers 😔

I was dumb and used my ice grenades up so I died to the breeder on 3rd

[river spear]

blue name
I HATE SWARMERS HOLY SHITBALLS
checks out

[polar jungle]

hardest enemy of the game as scout

unironically

[river spear]

I know it man, it's rough

[polar jungle]

would rather have to solo 2 detonators with 3 teammates down

it's funny because for the driller he's probably weakest to detonators and swarmers mean nothing to him

[river spear]

yup, big boys are tough for me but swarmers I can lay down my sticky flame and pick my nose lol

[jolly hazel]

try bubble splash drak

ez swarmer clear

also yeah this is an autocannon/bullet hell minigun kinda edd

[violet warren]

Driller is the only class that can deal with a detonator if you absolutely cannot get away from it

For instance if it's coming down a tunnel into the black box area and there's no way to slip around it to lure it away without being instakilled

You either freeze the bulk or lose the mission

[river spear]

presumably you could also just drill away even without freeze, pop out somewhere else in the cave

[violet warren]

Not if it's right next to the defense zone, since for some reason you can't retry a defense zone

[jolly hazel]

scout can do it too

technically

[violet warren]

In a game with bulk detonators that sometimes cannot be lured away from the defense zone

If bulks are in the mission pool I think solo salvage mission is unwinnable if one spawns

[jolly hazel]

bosco will handle it

[river spear]

what's a good freeze build for driller on EDDs? haven't used it much yet

[violet warren]

Not entirely sure

You want cold radiance for most situations, even though it's suicide to use it on bulks

[jolly hazel]

tuned cooler oc and ^

[versed escarp]

As somebody starting to learn H5/EDD, I've noticed ammo management is a common tip. I understand it's more efficient to swap weapons frequently, but what about situations where one weapon is much more effective? Do you prioritize ammo or effectiveness? Or am I just lacking the awareness to make good use of both weapons?

[jolly hazel]

swapping weapons is merely to take advantage of the automatic reload of born ready/keep ur dps up during harsh times

if you arent running born ready (you probably should be) you still need to reload so stay with the weapon for the situation

I like to build my classes with one anti-single target and one anti-swarm weapon

[violet warren]

I don't run born ready on my main because cryo+EPC driller literally has nothing to reload

[jolly hazel]

fair

I dont run born ready on drak either

because funny ammo supply

minigun on born ready doesn't matter much either

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[violet warren]

R&D, please debug the mission control bot

[random rampart]

mc bot?

what're u talking about?

[bold maple]

I don't run born ready with lead storm but it's good for autocannon

[random rampart]

lad's just smoking the coob

and wont give me some

[bold maple]

I didn't even select a union that I can recall, yet it says I'm a mighty miner lol.

Ah well, I might have chosen that one anyways

[random rampart]

well? arent you?

[winter garnet]

what is a deep dive?

[crimson tinsel]

Set of three missions strung together for promoted dwarves. There are no other minerals besides the objectives, gold and nitra. There are no machine events. Everyone experiences the same exact maps each week. At the end of each stage you receive a core to unlock a weapon overclock or cosmetic.

Other minerals may sometimes be found if a hoarder spawns in

The difficulty for the normal deep dive goes Haz 3 > 3.5 > 3.5. The elite dive goes 4.5 > 5 > 5.5

[granite terrace]

I'd like to hear an opinion of some folks here, but on Engi, what's generally better?
Duo turrets or the single, buffed one?

[waxen olive]

Duo, always.

Way more damage, way more area denial.

The only downside is longer setup time, but if you're relying on setting up turrets super fast you're probably in deep trouble regardless.

[granite terrace]

thanks for the answer, With the quicker build perk it's decently enough to manage.

[waxen olive]

Indeed. I usually go all-in for damage and ammo myself.

Gemini turrets with good damage can be a lifesaver during nasty swarms.

[jolly hazel]

ya I uses to think they were interchangeable cuz of dual turret ammo issues but i feel like double is always better now

especially with ammo surplus on edds

[waxen olive]

The only credit I give the single turret is that it looks cooler. That's about it.

It could probably use a buff, like a bonus against weakpoints or something.

Or an elemental effect.

[jolly hazel]

well there's oc that only works with gemini

I think devs like dual

[hazy comet]

single turret used to be good, then they buffed the base damage of the gemini turrets by 1

its enough that the breakpoints mean the turrets overshoot much less than the mk2

[river pawn]

EDD stage 2 is just not my day man

[rich frost]

Same

[open ledge]

Stage 3 ain’t it either

It’s more because of stage 2

Your almost all outta nitra when you get there (enough for 1 at best) and the swarms/not official swarms are near constant

But I cant complain, I had a goated team for it even though we failed stage 3

[jolly hazel]

if you are out of nitra by stage 3 you are using too many

you can save ammo by just not shooting bugs on the last stage of the drilldozer depending on how much of the drilldozer is left

[open ledge]

Driller dozer just really ammo consuming on haz 5

[outer beacon]

Idk, I like the extra range and ammo on the upgraded turret to be more likeable than gemini turrets myself, but then again, I also want to shoot the bugs myself.

Gemini turrets are good but they chew through ammo damn quick.

[open ledge]

^

I find it takes too long to setup turrets with extra ammo (for Gemini)

for those on the go swarms

[outer beacon]

Besides, I don't think there's a 'bad' aspect to preferring faster turret setups. I just like it being quicker to deploy and that's it, same reason I like the resupplier perk a lot or born ready.

[stiff igloo]

Love born bready

[severe tusk]

Yeah being quick and conserving ammo is important to make some EDDs run smoothly, if the nitra is more limited.

[unkempt saffron]

Predrilling will help with that since you dont spend time looking for nitra when dotty needs refuelling, but im sure youd know that

[waxen terrace]

how do you run out of nitra by stage 2?

this edd actually has enough nitra from stage 1 to give 1 or 2 resupplies in stage 2

[unkempt saffron]

You could end up using more nitra than necessary during escorts, though it should be a habit to save resups till yoi reach the hearthstone at least

[vernal willow]

I can't for the life of me get a team that can do end of stage 2 / all of stage 3 consistently. I already got the first two rewards and wonder if I should just leave the last. This stubborn dwarf wants to beat it though.

For the EDD

[unkempt saffron]

For stage 2, predrill all the way to the stone, grab all the nitra, and speedrun dotty all the way to the end and got through the stone as usual, if you do it right youll have enough nitra for at least 2 to 3 resups in stage 3, then for that stage make a beeline to the mineral deposit machine, and make sure your gunner place ziplines to get up and engi place plats as a fallback to the zips

Also, youll find quite a fair amount of nitra on the walls, so get your engi and scout to grab em asap

Whatever it is though make sure you have enough resups to wait for the drop pod at the end, cuz thats when shtf usually

[waxen terrace]

its usually a habit at least for me, to only use 1 resupp when refueling (not including the extra resup from stage 1), and make that ammo count till the omoran drill stage, which then i use 1 or 2 resupplies for the entire stage

[unkempt saffron]

If youre really only refuelling once then imo the acceptable amount of resups is 3, once during the refuelling phase, then 2 more at the end

And by then there should be enough nitra for 2 more resups which is adequate for the start of stage 3

[waxen terrace]

if you're refuelling twice the 2nd fuel cavern usually will have enough nitra to compensate for another resupply

i also don't think you can really run out of ammo before the refuelling/drilling phases unless you only use 1 weapon explicitly

but its standard practice to try to use half of your entire arsenal before a resupp

[vernal willow]

<3

[soft token]

anything i need to know for my first deep dive

i run garand and zhukov with cryo grenades on my scout

[fluid plover]

if its a DD and not an EDD then definitely not just run it coop itll be ez

[ripe shard]

Anyone wanna run a EDD? We need 2 dwarfs! We have a gunner and a scout, so a driller/engineer are preferred or even a second gunner is cool too!

• mic only plz for communication (:
• PM if you’re interested! we on PS4

rock and stone! ⛏

[fluid plover]

post in LFG playstation please and not here

https://discord.com/channels/257785731072786435/928583139692011560

[random rampart]

i do love born 🍞y too

[vocal compass]

i have its a bug thing

hmm

[grim flower]

what are the mutators on the current DD?

[quasi quartz]

check 📌

[random rampart]

the pinned msgs have a list of the weekly stage info for each deep dive, including mutators. the list is updated each week, so you'll always know the current week's info

[quasi quartz]

honestly its a lifesaver

[grim flower]

but its from march last year

[frail plume]

are the deepdive caves always the same?

[tardy crow]

changes per week

[waxen terrace]

its edited weekly

[grim flower]

nice

thanks

[cosmic pilot]

Big fat greenbeard when it comes to deep dives and playing this game on any sort of actual difficulty, I am not all about the damn hiveguard this week

[vocal compass]

hmm

[jolly hazel]

technically hiveguard fireball is slower and the aoe stomp is avoidable

[grim flower]

but they're huge ammo sinks

[waxen terrace]

hiveguard is prolly the easiest dread imo

[open ledge]

Find 3 others to play with in #lfg-steam and with some good communication you will make quick work of it

[waxen terrace]

the sentinels are easy to kill

[open ledge]

The stages to it are annoying

Time consuming

[jolly hazel]

yeah they are ammo sinks but that usually isn't an issue in dd/edd

[open ledge]

When the engi brings railgun lol

[jolly hazel]

I'm more worried about my team wiping or God forbid the egg being a secondary objective and I still have to deal with a fucking swarm

regular dread can be an actual threat on edd even on dread main stages

[stray dock]

especially dreads in magma biome :/

[cosmic pilot]

At least with the twins/ normal dread I don’t have to worry about firing tiny inconspicuous parts of the damn thing whilst tryna avoid landing in all the spicy potholes it makes. The room its cocoon is in is most definitely not ideal, even when luring it to an area with less fire.

Exactly, this thing is in the magma caverns, so less than ideal

[crude flume]

Hey, is the Neurotoxin or Big Bertha OC better for deep dives?

[jolly hazel]

big Bertha ammo count is a liability

[jolly hazel]

they are giant yellow glowing limbs

lure it out to the big room right next to it

[old widget]

For EDD, Neurotoxin on the AC is an easy button IMO

For DD, whatever

[jolly hazel]

I will live and die by carpet bomber

[old widget]

Also stronk

But if I only had NTP and BB, I’d take NTP almost every time

[open ledge]

What’s your build?

And secondary too

[jolly hazel]

22123 Carpet Bomber AC

21121 Lead Spray BRT7

might be 23121 lead spray

I dont remember

probably first one though

[open ledge]

Lit thx

[jolly hazel]

carpet bomber for everything smaller than a grunt guard+ close together mactera swarm

lead spray for everything else

if its something lead spray can't hit its not your job

[open ledge]

So in this case gunner is the crowd control?

And the lead spray is for praetorians, it’s like a pocket shotgun yeag?

[jolly hazel]

yes

u can switch out with six shooter revolver

but I think brrt shreds a praetorian in one mag+power attack

if u get it to spit acid

and yes gunner is max range cc that doesnt stop

[stray dock]

23231 Compact Mags BRT7 is also another secondary possibility for gunner

[lunar helm]

Gunner and driller are both good crowd control

[open ledge]

Yes Ik

I was referring to that specific gunner build

It’s a cc build

[jolly hazel]

neurotoxin+fear is better for actual cc imo but the best cc is death

[raven steppe]

Just lost once again to expert dive level 3. Same cause every single time time: Team gets overconfident and thinks they cannot lose after the previous match, they split up to get each objective individually instead of sticking together like glue, each person dies individually while I try to get to the closest teammate, when I end up dead the game keeps going cause someone has Iron Will, but doesn't use it. I remind them that it recharges each stage, and then game ends. Then the host quits and I get no money. Yay.

I cannot begin to describe how many rank 200+ end up getting the team offed because they don't know that IW recharges each stage and will instead refuse to use it at all because "they used it already at stage 1" like no bro the game isn't immediately over yet because you can still use it dude. It's telling you to do it with a flashing "press space" prompt and you literally deny it like "hmm no sorry I can't".

In conclusion: Iron Will recharges each stage. Use it. Use it. USE IT. USE IT.

[thorny geyser]

"No, I'm gonna save it until I really need it."

[raven steppe]

-A dwarf who was left behind.

[lunar helm]

The thing that annoys me most is when multiple people use iron will at once

And then end up being less effective

[jolly hazel]

communication is key

[raven steppe]

Yeah, but like there's the thing

Talking is scary

And also difficult to do if you don't have a mic

Cause what else you gonna do when you getting ate at by bugs, sit still to type on your keyboard as your arse gets torn to shreds?

Naw, I think the best way to get around it is to just keep the one rule in mind: You are not as epic of a gamer you think you are, but TOGETHER, you are epic gamers. So STAY TOGETHER. Or die like a dummy.

[jolly hazel]

you can type while you are down to communicate iron will order

[raven steppe]

Yeah but who the heck even does that bro. Haven't seen one guy do that. They just use it on the spot to try to get that epic shweet self-res with vampire and IW.

Only to botch it and die twice

[jolly hazel]

good players?

guess you've just had bad luck

[raven steppe]

I've seen people with 600+ player rank do this kind of stuff. Gamer skill goes to peoples' heads

[jolly hazel]

communicating popping eggs and ready for events is important

[raven steppe]

I must be a magnet for people who are good at the game, but not "GOOD" at the game, cause all I ever see are lads like that. It's upsetting seeing an epic pro gamerz scout rush ahead only to die to a leech and quit instantly. It's also kinda funny, unless were in a deep dive.

Ironically its the lower rank players who actually teamwork more, because they HAVE to.

[lunar helm]

that's what I put in my server host thingy 🙂 yet so many people still don't know how to use chat

I never use a mic yet I still communicate almost every game, especially when things go badly

yet there's always that one guy who starts pulling eggs without warning on a mission while someone is down and we're fighting the prospector and have no nitra

[raven steppe]

But they gotta do it bro, they gotta prove they are a leet gamerz to you and to themselves. They gotta play OpTiMaLlY, and OpTiMaLlYmeans rushing as stupid fast as possible and splitting up from your entire team as to die instantly "cover more ground".

It's just sad at that point

You wanna tell them, you wanna tell them that rushing like that just makes you look dumb

But all it will do is make them respond with "lmao you just bad"

[thorny geyser]

most people barely use text chat, about 10 years ago you couldnt shut up people in text chat

[wraith shard]

I still get teams where we use tc

[jolly hazel]

I get good mileage from text if u start

[glossy dock]

If I leech, I bloody well fire up the mic AND type leech LEEEECH

[lunar helm]

I almost always start text conversation in my games

[lunar helm]

"leech" probably one of the most typed things in the text chat

[glossy dock]

R?

[lunar helm]

r

[glossy dock]

R

[lunar helm]

y

[jolly hazel]

flares

plat

[wraith peak]

R

"hey! There's nitra over here!"

Sweats in scout

escort moves along while bugs spawn, trying not to die for nitra

How many times have you guys had to do the EDD to crack it?

I've had 5 runs of it and the last mission creams us

Also, in terms of communicating, I always do my "glhf" at the start of every mission and type fast in case something happens

[feral atlas]

It's not truly elite until the combined player rank hits over 2k.

[small hare]

completed it a few times, whats wrong that happens for you?

[wraith peak]

We get to the third mission (random lobbies), someone snags an egg, a wave starts and then we clear the wave and a exploder dude and a giant swarm come right after and we all perish

Also, I don't really own any overclocks, and newer to the game so I could just be bad and not pulling my full weight

[small hare]

usually for last stage in EDDs, its better to stay together unless if you all are really good at getting out / clearing solo.

[open ledge]

Skill

Your teams and yours

That determines wether you fail or pass

[small hare]

it is harder without OCs, but you could do EDDs without em.

[open ledge]

I failed twice until I found some better players and we beat stage two

[wraith peak]

Yeah, I figure it's probably a slam my head till I get it kinda thing

[small hare]

imo, if you're not comfortable doing Haz4 missions, you should try to stay away from EDD

but you can do whatever you want, i aint ur mission control (:

[wraith peak]

I can do 4 and usually squeeze by on 5

[open ledge]

I bet you’d make for a better mission control than the one I got

[small hare]

so EDD is 4.5 / 5 / 5.5

[wraith peak]

Mission control must be a cozy job

[open ledge]

I’d find a team of higher skill players to help you do it, and teach you the ways of high haz

[small hare]

try to also join on a class you're highly familiar with, instead of maybe filling out the class

[open ledge]

Yea

[wraith peak]

I only got the one promoted, lmao

[open ledge]

What class?

[wraith peak]

Scout

[open ledge]

Sick

Your job is don’t die lol

[jolly hazel]

if ur going thru with scout its your teammates responsibility to clear swarms

and if they arent clearing swarms

you cant impact the game as much as them

as long as you are lighting and mining nitra

[small hare]

agreed

[feral atlas]

scout isn't impactful on EDD

[open ledge]

Also take out key targets with your m1000, like spitters

[small hare]

lighting > mining > bug killing

[feral atlas]

if the rest of the team sucks, and you have a defense objective, you probably lose

[open ledge]

And mactera

[wraith peak]

Yeah, I kinda put myself into 1 don't die 2 fuel the ammo of my allies 3 use grenades for random swarms and fire at armored dudes with my 1000

[feral atlas]

honestly, scout barely matters for EDD outcome

[small hare]

rude!

[feral atlas]

the ability of the engi and gunner matter much more

[small hare]

xd

facts

[open ledge]

Solid, for scout all you need it some solid teammates to do the killing while you support em

[wraith peak]

Yeah, I like mining more than I do killing and it bugs me when I can't see

[open ledge]

Let’s talk about your perks? What you run

I’m just curious cause I play scout too

[small hare]

im a scout main as well

[wraith peak]

I think I go deep pockets so I don't have to do triple trips, spikes (melee retaliate) cause I hate the little buggers, iron will, medic. I forget my third passive

[open ledge]

Ye the deep pockets is key for edd (on scout)

Saves time

I find

Also That’s a solid build

[wraith peak]

Feels like if you don't take it, it compounds how slow you get the mats

[sonic sandal]

I kinda like the red sugar upgrade for scout

it's a lot easier for you to get to it, since some of them are up high and on ceilings

[open ledge]

Sometimes people ditch thorns cause on haz 5 you shouldn’t be getting hit a lot, but it’s nice quality of life and works great on haz 3/4

But it’s all préférence

[feral atlas]

Generally speaking, the only 2 upgrades that tend to be important on scout (in a competent team) are Born Ready and Field Medic.

[sonic sandal]

yeah, whatever makes you more of an asset and less of a liability in your own playstyle

[feral atlas]

Born Ready to improve DPS so you can passively reload whatever is your mag dump weapon.

FM for drive by revives.

[sonic sandal]

yeah I always take FM for scout

Never really took Born Ready though. I'll have to try that next time I'm the scout

[feral atlas]

Rest can be lived without. FM can be lived without if the team is good enough.

[open ledge]

I run deep pockets ressuplier and vamp, hover boots and iron will with randoms, for a legit team I run born ready and field medic instead of vamp and iron will

[feral atlas]

But to re-emphasize, scout is the one class where there are definitely scenarios where if the rest of your team is garbage, you can't do anything.

[wraith peak]

Fair enough, good to have some validation on that

[open ledge]

But

[wraith peak]

I just try and shoot the big dudes with my weak point bonuses

[open ledge]

Scout can also save the team as long as you don’t go down

Just kite around picking off the swarm until you can cryo and get a revive or fm it quick

[feral atlas]

Good teams don't get in situations where it's 3 down and the scout's the only one alive.

[wraith peak]

Oh, you go cry grenades?

I go pheromones

[feral atlas]

I've been the scout in those situations.

[sonic sandal]

how about nades. I know cryo nades are a go-to for a lot of Scouts but what about other ones in EDDs?

[feral atlas]

It's not worth the effort. Would have been faster to just quit.

[open ledge]

Sometimes with randoms, on lower haz or haz 4

[feral atlas]

Specifically for EDD.

Haz4 and lower, I don't really care. Haven't played that for a while.

[small hare]

3 down sometimes happens when its a bad chain of events

[feral atlas]

Extremely rare, especially when gunner has a god mode on his 4 key.

[small hare]

but ya, i feel your frustration when that happens.

[feral atlas]

It simply does not happen in practice.

[open ledge]

It’s only happened to me once on a haz 4 a while back with a bunch of randoms

Who were under leveled

[small hare]

with 2 newer players in EDD, it can happen quite frequently. if you dont want to carry them, then a new team is warranted.

[feral atlas]

As a scout, your revives are only as worthwhile as the ability of the player that gets picked up. When the team is bad, that revive trends towards worthlessness.

It's not uncommon to essentially get into a failure spiral of chained revives and downs, and you eventually lose due to ammo exhaustion.

That is, if it's the EDD, and the scout is the only experienced player.

It's somewhat specific to each EDD, but defense objectives are scout's worst scenario.

[wraith peak]

Is there a defacto best weapon for scout? I'm running 1000 but haven't put much time into the Lazer one

[tranquil apex]

is it possible to kick mid dive? this dude just called in 3 supply drops as we was running to the drop pod at the end of the first one so we have no nitra left

and i dont want to waste another 40 minutes with a troll in the dd

[feral atlas]

You can kick as long as primary obj is not done.

[tranquil apex]

it was done, we was heading to the pod

😦

[feral atlas]

Well, you can try it now.

Or beginning of next stage

[small hare]

most likely he thought the dive was over

[feral atlas]

Best case, refill your ammo completely, then attempt next stage.

There hasn't been an EDD yet where you'll lose to ammo starvation if you arrive on a stage with full ammo.

[small hare]

usually theres 1-2 supplies for next stage

(in nitra)

[tranquil apex]

well we think he's a troll because he killed himself as well twice

during the dd, it's just the normal one

[feral atlas]

Just boot him then.

[tranquil apex]

like in the little lava volcano thing

[feral atlas]

Is his existence enriching your experience, or at least not a detriment?

If not, why aren't you getting rid of him?

[tranquil apex]

we did kick just now , so the dive will be fine even with ~200 nitra wasted?

[feral atlas]

Doesn't really matter if he is a troll as long as he's acting like one.

Depends on how good you are, but yes, should be possible.

I've ended EDDs with 800+ nitra

They give you too much.

I've heard of DDs where teams end up with 1.2k+ excess nitra.

[tranquil apex]

yeah you're right, we're already at 300

ty guys ^^

[jolly hazel]

drak bouncy shot oc and splash upgrade work best for me

others like m1k

[cunning thistle]

m1k hipster is good too. But can't go wrong with bouncy drak

[wraith peak]

What do you mean by bouncy?

Ah, OC, got it

I shall keep an eye out

[austere wagon]

Can you change the daily deals like we can with season challenges?

I see the arrows symbol but nothing happens when I click on it

[lunar helm]

Completely untrue. Getting the nitra is fundamental to the team, and having low light on azure weald can mean a slower reaction time to threats

[ember maple]

low light also means its harder to see that morkite that blends into the surroundings

[lunar helm]

No i don't think so

[lunar helm]

There is no best weapon, all of them are good depending on your playstyle, overclocks and preference. Since the others recommended drak and m1000, i use a few powerful builds with the starter rifle, for example with bullets of mercy overclock or with the ai stability engine overclock and weakpoint mod.

[jolly hazel]

use laser pointer

ai stability is so slow

seems like same niche as hipster

[ember maple]

very time consuming when u are constantly being sawrmed by enemies. better to have ascout use a flare

[jolly hazel]

if you are being swarmed by enemies you should not be looking for/mining morkite

[ember maple]

when i tried my edd solo i was non stop being swarmed by enemies on lvl 1 due to exploder infestation. was no time to pull out the pointer

ended upo having to backtrack the entire cacve to find enough morkite that was hidden

[lunar helm]

Slow how? I tooka fire rate mod

[ember maple]

so yes scout flares are important

[jolly hazel]

there is at least 30 seconds between each exploder wave

[lunar helm]

I can share my build at some point if you want to see it, I've done haz 5 missions with it preforming well

With ai stability engine

[jolly hazel]

sure i think

the important (imo) mods were on the rof tiers

[lunar helm]

Okay, not at my computer rn but I'll dm you when i get to it

[jolly hazel]

also

my game does not run at a constant 60fps

so my accuracy is suspect

that might be why i thought it wasnt good

[lunar helm]

That makes sense to use the drak then

Smart move

And yes with ai stab you really want to hit weakpoints

[jolly hazel]

ya i was having same prob with hipster where i just couldnt hit the weakspots on moving grunts

[lunar helm]

That must suck since its because of framedrops

[jolly hazel]

yeah the game started running worse after last update

idk why

[lunar helm]

Ive had mostly issues with bad Internet connection but only rarely framedrops,

[jolly hazel]

it runs a bit better when i turn off particles

but i like seeing bugs explode

[lunar helm]

Who doesn't

[jolly hazel]

i dont have as much of a problem with engie guns because rapid fire/shot

also im always focused on moving as scout and drak helps where i just overheat, then grapple, then overheat, then grapple

[lunar helm]

Yeah, gunner also sounds like it could be fine

[lunar helm]

You use AV overclock on drak?

[ashen veldt]

How do people solo deep dives?

[jolly hazel]

kill

good

[ashen veldt]

No but like

[jolly hazel]

which one is that

[ashen veldt]

Does any class work?

[lunar helm]

I think you have to be really good, and be able to do haz 5 solo

[lunar helm]

Where the overheat does fire damage

[jolly hazel]

yes any class works but engie gunner and driller are a lot better at killing than scout is

[ashen veldt]

Hm nice

[jolly hazel]

yeah i was using that before i got bouncy balls and that rocked too

[ashen veldt]

Okay good to know

[jolly hazel]

bouncy balls seems to double up the splash damage

and i dont overheat as quick

they are basically interchagable for me though

cuz they instapop guards

[ashen veldt]

Do people go for cryo with driller when they're solo? I feel like the single target damage isn't good enough

[jolly hazel]

at heat

only weapon I think would be rough for driller is sludge cannon

incase funny macgera moment

[lunar helm]

Bouncy is awesome, i also like the damage one, the shield one and agressive venting. Honestly don't like the ammo mod overclock on drak

[jolly hazel]

I dont do solo runs but its up to you

yeah I dont like it either

because I'm not always shooting

and oh ing

[lunar helm]

I would guess no, you need more damage

[jolly hazel]

and manual reload turns it just into a drak

[lunar helm]

And the fire damage one seems hard to use

It feels like it doesn't output enough fire before overheating

[jolly hazel]

I thought dmg buff made it too inaccurate at the right ranged and shield mod is unreliable because scout gets stray hit a lot imo

it only instalights stuff if u have the rof booster mod

ag tier 5

[lunar helm]

Yeah, it does happen and also depends on biome, shield battery overclock is just bad in glacial strata and fungus bogs

I meant magma core

It's usable in glacial

And probably bad in hollow bough too

[jolly hazel]

I usually play too close to not get hit lol

[blissful pivot]

is over mining worth it?

is there any benifit? apart from the crafting minerals

[hardy nacelle]

there are no crafting materials in a deep dive, unless you get lucky with a huuli spawn

[blissful pivot]

ah wrong chat

sorry

[wraith shard]

is deep dive non stop until you hit the last stage4?

oh no I'm deep diving into stage 2..

[old widget]

there's a pause/continue button in between stages

and loading screens

but aside from that, yeah

[wraith shard]

But oh yeah there's pause.

awesome.

[old widget]

late reply, but try building EPC with normal shot damage (and heavy hitter OC if you have it). subata can also be spec'd for good single target DPS. when you freeze everything first, secondaries do a lot more damage to single targets. also axes ofc

[ashen veldt]

Oo single shot damage is viable? Cool

[unkempt saffron]

Alternatively if you have persistent plasma you can just use charged shots or even tcf and let the dot take care of frozen bugs

[lean phoenix]

I'm curious about viable strategies for solo gunner edd, anyone have reliable builds?

So far I really enjoy magic bullets on bulldog and the autocannon but it seems to fall flat. I don't have any good overclocks for autocannon yet

[graceful needle]

Edd was pretty easy solo

[graceful needle]

Neurotoxin Payload autocannon + Lead storm brt. Just solo'ed the edd and didn't get a single down using it

[lean phoenix]

Awesome, I guess I'll just have to hope I get those eventually lol

[copper mist]

I know the dreadnoughts are Hiveguard and Twins, but is the order fixed?

[graceful needle]

If you have burning hell for the minigun + volatile bullets for the bulldog that's a really, really solid build too

[copper mist]

Cuz i tried to plan for my second attempt, as the room was twins on my first attempt, and it was Hiveguard

[graceful needle]

You can also probably make minelayer for the rocket launcher work with leadstorm brt too

[lean phoenix]

That's the issue @graceful needle, I have some good overclocks but nothing that synergizes

[graceful needle]

Hmm what oc's do you have other than the ones I listed

Leadstorm leadstorm can work too if you're good at bunny hoppin around

[fluid plover]

wouldnt recommend leadstorm leadstorm for a soloer who is new to soloing

[graceful needle]

Good point, the bunny hopping is pretty essential to make it work

[fluid plover]

i dont think soloing requires much special setup though. just use a gun / OC that you are very comfy on in multiplayer, change active perks to not be field medic and go slay

[lean phoenix]

I have no reasonable overclocks except for clean on minigun and the rocket launcher. I might just brute force it, I can get through the first two stages but for some reason the last one gets overwhelming

[graceful needle]

Bosco on solo does soo much for ya, you can make do with a lot

Are you doing the current* edd?

[lean phoenix]

Of course, on ps4

[fluid plover]

last map, its key to get near the drillhead soon cuz its turrets help

unless ps4 is different map

[graceful needle]

Yeah on last map you can just sit pretty and let bosco get everything for ya

[lean phoenix]

No it's the same, is cryo on Bosco a good thing to take?

[graceful needle]

Cryo rockets are my go to, just cuz I don't really use the rockets except to take down the flying breeders

Which are very tanky and difficult to deal with on some classes

[unkempt saffron]

There arent really too many breeders in this edd

[graceful needle]

Yeah I didn't see a single one

This one is a pretty decent solo, just really gotta check around for nitra. Its there, but in a loot of blind spots

[lean phoenix]

I appreciate all the advice guys, I'm gonna focus down on this but I feel like I picked a bad starting class for drg lol

[fluid plover]

why not do it coop?

[lean phoenix]

Have you played on console with others? Lol

[graceful needle]

Gunner is a really solid class!

Every class is awesome, they just pop a lot more with ocs

[lean phoenix]

I wish the rng would give me better ocs, I got Salvo for hurricane my first oc...

[unkempt saffron]

Thats a solid oc

Basically the closest thing to a shotgun the gunner will get, besides the brt

[west merlin]

I believe it's fixed that the first cocoon you pop is one and the second is the other

Not fixed by which one is in which cocoon

[copper mist]

Ah

[lean phoenix]

And in my first go at it I nailed it lol thanks @graceful needle

[graceful needle]

AYE LETS GO

[lean phoenix]

Killed 650ish enemies, I took way too long lol

[graceful needle]

All that matters it that you made it through

[vernal willow]

Oops wrong place

[vocal compass]

hmm

[ripe shard]

Escort for EDD is fucking impossible 😩

[lethal goblet]

goddamnit

i died at the end of stage 3

back to back swarms (one from egg and another immediately after from time) but i didnt get a chance to restock

not too bad for my first solo edd tho

[rose escarp]

Too many damn swarms on EDD 😠

Got like 907 kills on my driller.

[graceful needle]

Hang around the minehead and just use bosco to bring everything to ya!

[grim thorn]

Is it easier to do deep dives solo? Tried 4 times to do EDD now and every time we run out of ammo and get overrun on escort

Playing with randoms that is.

[stray dock]

I think it really depends, if u’re comfortable doing haz 5 solo, then edd solo shld be alright

[unkempt saffron]

Depends, though solo will no doubt be more of a challenge, also playing with randos for things like edd require some planning with each member knowing what to do and being capable of handling swarms themselves if need be

[balmy stone]

Dd is fine public but I’ve had not great results with edd random

[unkempt saffron]

Also, consider builds which are ammo efficient and be more careful with what you shoot at, treat ammo wisely and grab as much nitra as you can, you dont need the gold so thatll save you a lot of time

[stray dock]

Imo, the sweet spot is with 2 ppl

[unkempt saffron]

Edd have always been fine for me with randos, though there have been instances where it was impossible to run an edd with randos they arent as common as i thought it was

[balmy stone]

Teammates need to be on the same page and more on top of things in edd

My experience has been some randos are great but limited nitra and the loss of momentum with continuous revives can make it unsustainable

[unkempt saffron]

Thats why you need to move quick in an edd, the less time you spend on a stage means less time shooting bugs hence you save ammo and dont need resups often

[balmy stone]

Randoms don’t necessarily know that

[unkempt saffron]

Maybe not, so thats why one has to remind them

Also if one member needs ammo then consider telling them to take your sup, thats what i usually do if im playing as gunner and an engi or scout needs ammo

[balmy stone]

Comms is the issue

[unkempt saffron]

It can be, but the lack of comms is only a slight hindrance, as long as someone is giving orders, guiding others on what should be done etc. then it should work out fine enough

It doesnt have to be constant orders all the time, as long as something is said early on in the stage or during downtime

[balmy stone]

Edd is super fast paced so matchmaking with people that communicate or understand what’s going on is a gamble

If you do a haz 5 with a random and have good teamwork they might be good to add to an edd team

I’d say it’s fine if you can work out the details at the space rig before the mission actually

I tell people what the stages and modifiers are before we drop in so they can prepare

[lunar helm]

solo is more challenging I think

[wraith shard]

Agree. I've done this weeks EDD twice, one with a full team, one as duo. Both with skilled players, so comparable.
If I was struggling I'd go for duo all the way.

[wicked roost]

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[neon smelt]

Salvo is good

the trick is not not fire normally, ever

charging up even only 2-3 rockets is faster than tap-firing

[wet shale]

it would be pretty awkward if tap-firing was better, makes sense

[lean phoenix]

@neon smelt I just don't enjoy having to let things get close, magic bullets with neurotoxin is quite amazing. I wish I had it for my auto cannon. The second stage is difficult if you keep getting flyers, acid spitters, and forget about the spitball and leechs

[jolly hazel]

there's a sweet spot with Salvo versus swarms because if they are too close one bug will eat 5 rockets

[bright horizon]

does this deep dive have a cargo box?

or do they even spawn in deep dives

lol

[jolly hazel]

no

no machine events, no lost packs, no cargo crates, no prospector/data deposits

there are huuli hoarders though

[bright horizon]

thenks

[quiet wyvern]

tf?

[hardy nacelle]

scam

don't click

[quiet wyvern]

i'm not

[hardy nacelle]

just in case

[quiet wyvern]

i know what these are

i've seen them, and their dark history

[warm trout]

Idk about edd escort, but I've realized that whole team on gunner's ziplines have helped us through the entire edd 3rd stage swarms

[hardy nacelle]

only morons fall for them, you have to literally put in your account info on their site to get hijacked

[warm trout]

just watch out for ranged shots

[weary vortex]

Not to be a total noob but my only Overclock for the Lok-1 rifle is Seeker Rounds and there doesn't seem to be much info online regarding how to build for it. I realize it's not considered one of the better OCs but I figured I'd try it out. The mods for this gun are much more confusing than they are for other guns though.

[jolly hazel]

is this an edd/dd related question

[weary vortex]

Well, if I'm going to take it into EDD what would be a decent thing to build for?

[jolly hazel]

a different gun

[weary vortex]

lol. Fair

[jolly hazel]

imo only explosive chemical rounds and maybe executioner are good

but if you did want to bring it on the dd

avoid smrt targeting because the gun doesn't waste ammo anyways and will get in the way if u want full locks

and get the range+tight scope lock mod

personly i got for the full lock=dmg boost tier 5 mod to counteract ammo deficiency

[weary vortex]

That seems reasonable.

[jolly hazel]

so that would be uh

21312

upgrade wise

[weary vortex]

So far I've only made it through the first floor of the current EDD but that was with the Stubby.

[jolly hazel]

blowthrough helps a lot with swarm clear

does seeker rounds make you lose lock easier?

eh even then stick with 21312

[weary vortex]

You think I should stick with the Stubby instead? I got Super Slim Rounds. That's my only other Engineer OC. lol

[jolly hazel]

eh

em refire turns it into a beast

[stray dock]

turret whip shotgun is also strong, even without OCs

[jolly hazel]

super slim is nice though

take recoil mod and aim for faces

[weary vortex]

Yeah, I've been using the recoil mod. It helps a lot.

[jolly hazel]

honestly use whatever suits you

[stray dock]

^

[jolly hazel]

as long as u take the ammo mod for lok 1

its hard to not find success with engie guns

[wraith shard]

Damage mod is better on the lok1 outsude of exe/ecr

[jolly hazel]

how

you get 6048 total dmg out of ammo mod

5832 with dmg mod

[burnt sandal]

breakpoints

[jolly hazel]

is that with weakspot hits?

I dont think that one bullet matters as much

[humble sparrow]

I'm trying to solo that first floor as Engi, with stubby. do you build it for electricity or damage?

[weary vortex]

I put everything into electrical effects, yeah. I think it's literally 22222.

[burnt sandal]

actually it does, at least for grunts

[jolly hazel]

I get that 27x4=108 dmg threshold

but does the weak point dmg turn it into 2 or 3

plus if im killing grunts I've usually hit them with a pgl so far lol

[jolly venture]

what is the best scout weapon

[hoary cove]

anything that isn’t gk2

[shrewd karma]

why?

so far, I dislike the drak25 the most

maybe I don't have the right overclock

[random rampart]

Gk2 isn't great either

Drak's better than gk2 atm, I fell

[unreal crow]

There should be a like an empty aquarium with a lootbug in it in the space rig with a pile of gold and nitra in the tank

Tiny lootbug*

[jolly hazel]

which are you using

[shrewd karma]

I agree gk2 isn't the best. The m1k is absolutely the best.

[jolly hazel]

bouncy balls and the thermal upgrade are nice

[hoary cove]

gk2 doesn’t do anything that the others can’t do better imo

[jolly hazel]

drak is the only scout weapon that deals well with swarmers imo

with splash mod

[shrewd karma]

I don't have good overclocks for it, or maybe I don't get the gist of it, it overheats before clearing waves for me

[hoary cove]

and aggressive venting

[shrewd karma]

for drak I mean

[jolly hazel]

eh

[hoary cove]

what oc do u have

[jolly hazel]

if the swarmers are that close its bad

for me

[hoary cove]

the fear and fire on demand is rly good

[jolly hazel]

if you take bouncy ball mod and splash and shoot below the bug they get hit twice by the projectile in their face weakspot

once by splash and again by splash and direct damage from the ball bouncing back up

[shrewd karma]

Hmm so there's is a mechanic there

[jolly hazel]

its fine if it overheats, switch to ur secondary and think of it as an automatic born ready reload

if you can burst fire while above 50% heat with the rof mod that's even better

[shrewd karma]

I have only Rewiring Mod

[hoary cove]

use with mHd and try to overheat around 80% and you get alot of ammo back pretty easily

[shrewd karma]

I'll deep dive more

look for more overclocks for the scout

[jolly hazel]

'ate rewiring mod

I'm not reloading my plasma gun

[stoic ocean]

a pretty-much-required skill of using the drak is self controlled burst fire

like no matter what setup you run, learning to fire it in bursts and committing that to muscle memory really helps

basically the drak should just never overheat, imo

regarding overclocks, the thermal feedback one or whatever "adds more damage the longer the gun is above 50% heat" is pretty darn solid and i've run that one for quite a while

[tall meadow]

Unless you are using TEF

[stoic ocean]

is TEF the overclock i was just mentioning? If so that's the most important time to never overheat, lol

[tall meadow]

it's also fine to pair MHD with that and hot feet for purpose overheat

but not to actually overheat it completely by firing till 100% yes

[stoic ocean]

yeah i just got the impression from Sargas' message that the gun was reaching 100% overheat while they were trying to clear a wave, which is not what either of us are talkin about

"getting really hot" and overheating as two different things

[shrewd karma]

It doesn't overheat, it runs out of ammo

like, reaches 0, literally.

Maybe I suck with it

(or obviously I suck with it)

[jolly hazel]

well

manual rewiring mod

you get reduced ammo

you need to be either overheating or manual overheating

[hoary cove]

just press r when ur over 50% heat and have nothing to shoot

[shrewd karma]

Lol

Touch that fan

[jolly hazel]

so im assuming you dont have manual overheat mod?

[shrewd karma]

I haven't looked, but plan to

I didn't buy all mods thats for sure

[jolly hazel]

manual rewiring either requires you to overheat every time you pull the trigger or overheat manually to take advantage of ammo recharge during overheat

otherwise its directly nerfing your gun

[hoary cove]

how is it a nerf?

[jolly hazel]

if you do not overheat ever or manual heat dump it is a direct nerf to ammo supply

because you have to overheat to recharge

if u overheat its an ammo buff

[hoary cove]

oh my bad i thought you were talking about mhD

[jolly hazel]

np lol