deep-dive-discussion

[tall meadow]

We spent the longest in stage 2 because of a dread made hole the dread made coming up to spawn

[odd path]

I fought the dreads in their rooms. Wasn't so bad until their fireballs had remodeled the floor a bit.

That's the worst part about dreads for me.

[crimson tinsel]

Hell we had the one Hiveguard launch rocks while moving and without doing the animation at one point lol

Engie was losing his mind when that hit him

[odd path]

I've had Hiveguard shoot through itself

[crimson tinsel]

Just craps fire at you lol

I got a couple OC’s I want to try out from these Dives. Explosive chemical rounds for the Lok and Six Shooter for the Bulldog

[waxen terrace]

Im still surprised salvo has no downsides besides salvo mode

[crimson tinsel]

Rest were ehhh

I prefer Unstable OC’s having the downside be the function changing significantly. I don’t like when the function changes and it takes away most of my ammo. Unless it’s something ridiculous and OP like the Fat Boy.

Like Goo Bomber’s downsides basically just translate to it does something else now

I heard the shotgun blast is pretty bad because of the downsides

[tall meadow]

One thing I always remember is , no matter whoever says anything about weapons and overclock, listen to what others say all you want but always take with a grain of salt no matter what. Always use and try the weapon and overclock yourself and base your judgement of that

[crimson tinsel]

I just haven’t wanted to use it since the description doesn’t make it sound like it’s a play style I would enjoy.

[tall meadow]

I say that for many things but still make myself at least use it more than a handful amount of times before I give my own opinion but each to their own

no harm in trying

[crimson tinsel]

I just prefer using the sludge pump as area denial instead of a pure damage dealer. If I want that I would just use my flame build.

[tall meadow]

kek same

i like pump more of area control

[gaunt valve]

holy shit

[crimson tinsel]

shit be holy

[gaunt valve]

I decided hey let me pop two eggs at once in the first stage of the EDD

they were both swarms

[crimson tinsel]

Oof

[gaunt valve]

playing solo scout

[crimson tinsel]

Double swarm hours

[gaunt valve]

shit was hella spicy

[red aurora]

why would you do that to yourself on EDD of all things

[gaunt valve]

I'm alive though

we VIBING

[crimson tinsel]

Memes

[gaunt valve]

I was like yeah I'll be fine with a swarm and a wave

nope two swarms lmao

[crimson tinsel]

Scout wants his eggs HARD BOILED

My experience today with the EDD is an example of why level isn’t everything

I’d rather play with a level 80 who communicates and plans with me than a level 400 who gets pissy after getting downed once because they wanted to lone wolf a four-dwarf EDD

Especially on that first stage today

Those two dwarves today who left the game right after I used Iron Will to revive them really bummed me out

[manic spade]

oof

I never ever want to leave a game I’m in the middle of unless I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TOO, or if I am told to walk the dog.

[crimson tinsel]

Like one of them just did the XD thing in chat and bailed while I was waiting for him to revive me back

[unkempt saffron]

Walk the dog in hoxxes, im sure itll love the biomes

[gaunt valve]

aw damn that sucks

[manic spade]

my dog just rips the glyphids to shreds

[gaunt valve]

I bet they're working for our rival mining company

[manic spade]

my dog is actually a hunting dog so she could probably take one on

[crimson tinsel]

I bet they’re wanting an even higher level to carry them

[unkempt saffron]

Could probably give it some modifications, im sure we could give it a dog sized exosuit

[manic spade]

AND she’d be allowed on the space rig!

maybe

Idk what the policy on pets is

[unkempt saffron]

Management is a little bit stuck up nowadays, but im sure we could find some room under the bar

[manic spade]

hell yeah combat dog

[crimson tinsel]

What is the most ammo efficient gunner primary OC?

[red aurora]

NTP for hordes I guess? then your standard brrrt build

one of the few unstable OC's with arguably a downright benefit most of the time except against single target, even then its a slow and DOT

[tulip idol]

is it even a question? Minelayer ofc

[gaunt valve]

stage 2 edd down

DAMNIT no impact deflection

sadge

last stage should be ezpz

first egg spawned a bulk

[waxen terrace]

Famous last words

[trail hound]

damn this edd was tight on nitra

last one we lost because we dreadnoughted first and ran out of ammo

at least we got the two important rewards

[severe finch]

Yeah, but it's pretty easy once you start managing your ammo

Was warned about ammo ahead of time, and did the full EDD first try

[gaunt valve]

LETS GO

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

edd solo scout

first edd actually

[humble sparrow]

I've noticed the tunnels of Hollow tend to be packed with Nitra compared to the sparse veins in the big sections.

[warm imp]

How's the solo experience for this week?
I see cave leech cluster and I get visions of getting caught and Bosco failing to help

[humble sparrow]

EDD is tight on nitra/ammo because of sheer enemy density and biome. Tons of leeches in a huge cave in Stage 2.

[red aurora]

EDD is probably rough as hell for solo this week, but doable, we've already had I think 2 people say they've done it

[uneven mountain]

It wasn't too bad as Driller with Ice Storm. I ran Heightened Senses and only got grabbed once.

[crimson tinsel]

Lok is my new favorite Leech hunter. Don’t even need light to find them, just scan the ceiling and shoot whatever it finds.

[waxen terrace]

Fat boy is my fav leech hunter

Kills the leeches

Destroys their nests

And lights up the cavern

[crimson tinsel]

Lok also good for saving dwarves who are caught lol

[obtuse pasture]

damn... 1 death on the solo scout run.. SOOO close.. but I got stupid .. totally my fault

[obtuse pasture]

finished solo scout.. with 1 death.. but is not a fun EDD at all #deep-dive-speedrunning message

Was it just me or did nitra feel a little tighter than usual on this one

that and a ludicrous number of breeders... i think I had something like 8 or 9 in total .. and that was solo

[opal minnow]

EDD in hollow bough

fear

[bronze escarp]

The second stage of edd is too tough

We pretty much beat it with one breath left

[gaunt valve]

bosco was good to me leech wise, saved me a couple times. I just spam X as soon as I get caught and he usually gets there in time.

[gusty grotto]

my bosco just looks at the swarm of enemies coming my way and just watches

[stuck swan]

This weeks DD was just annoying to the point we’re the last stage was just exploration

That was a massive waste of time, no enemies whatsoever

[granite hearth]

Have they taken on-site refining out of the deep dives? I feel like i never see those in Deep Dives anymore

[stuck swan]

I think there was one a week or so ago but I may just be crazy

[obtuse pasture]

still there.. was one in the EDD last week or the one before (with dread secondary)

[granite hearth]

Must have missed it. I try to check most weeks. Thanks, folks

[stoic ocean]

Yeah it was two DD ago there was an on site

[simple glade]

anyone else having computer issues with the EDD?

i've gotten blue screens both times i've tried it, at different parts of the first stage

[crimson tinsel]

Wonder if the amount of bugs at points might be part of it

[stoic ocean]

Like blue screen of death? Looks like a good amount of people are getting an insane amount of crashes and I think it's probably either due to an update to the game or the recent windows service patch

[simple glade]

yeah, crash

[stoic ocean]

I've gotten a dozen crashes in the past few days after 100 hours with literally zero crashes

[simple glade]

i think it might be at least partially because of the amount of bugs, the first cave has 2 breeders and 2 brood nexuses and the cave leech cluster means it’s hard to quickly take them all out

[obtuse pasture]

my game got SUPER busy and a tiny bit chuggy.. but even with a bunch of visual mods.. no crash issues.. if you are getting crash to desktops.. and it pulls up the crash reporter, you probably wan to report the reason

[stoic ocean]

For me the game is just fully closing, no dialogue or anything except for one BSOD. Not sure if there's a crash directory

[old widget]

Game troubleshooting probably belongs in #bug-discussion, but I'll offer the same advice here that I would there - if the game is crashing your PC or exiting without a crash log, I wouldn't necessarily assume that's a game problem. Update your graphics drivers. Make sure your GPU meets the minimum system requirements. Check your PC's stability under stress, as problems with PCs can be subtle and only show up in certain circumstances. DRG seems to tickle the CPU/GPU in ways that other games don't, so it can often seem like DRG is the source of the problems when it isn't. There are plenty of tools out there for PC stability testing, OCCT and TestMem5 being a couple.

(Also, a general plug for the FAQ in the pinned messages in #bug-discussion which covers a lot of this and more if you are troubleshooting crashes)

[stoic ocean]

Actually thought I was in #bug-discussion my bad. In other news excited to attempt solo EDD. Made it through 2 stages last week, thinking I won't make it past the black box this week

[obtuse pasture]

what class you planning on running?

black box is in an annoying place this week. .but I managed solo scout so def doable

[stoic ocean]

Gonna try gunner, seems like the obvious choice for this one. Anything but scout for black box though I'm sure pros can run scout too

Bosco seems to make eggs a joke mostly and like a point defense mission

[obtuse pasture]

At this point I am comfortable running scout on pretty much any mission type except Doretta solo .. but anything Doretta. solo can suck. Bosco is just not that helpful on those missions types.
Hint: use bosco cryo rockets to help out a lot with black boxes to buy time when you absolutely need it

[placid crane]

for my solo no bosco run i used jet fuel missile launcher + elephant rounds bulldog

probably nowhere near the best build solo but i didn't want to play driller even though that probably could've helped me 20x faster

[wraith wing]

@hollow cobalt

[tulip idol]

I went 24k total dmg bertha and electromines for max ammo and dmg this edd
and... we were still tight on nitra, unfortunately my greenbeard mates decided to die a lot on the last hiveguard and I spent all my left bertha ammo on sentinels and couldn't really do anything to hiveguard with electromines
should've taken lead spray max ammo instead despite electromines being better in terms of total dmg against crowd

[wraith shard]

this week was my first EDD, which i attempted solo with engy. are they always this...grueling? or did i set myself up for failure? i got halfway through to the third mission and it fell apart after that

[tulip idol]

it'd be too boring for me to go for 3 solo missions in a row

[random rampart]

EDDs are always supposed to be a dumpster fire

[wraith shard]

oh ok, then i got the proper experience lol

[severe tusk]

This was a harder EDD than most, but not too bad overall. It was a bit nitra tight for a 4 man group if you aren't going quickly was the main thing.

[violet sequoia]

i did my first DD today, so now of course i’m thinking about king a EDD later today if i can. did my first with one other person which went well i think? based off what i’ve heard about EDD’s, it’ll be a tough learning experience and more. so now i must ask if there’s any general tips for EDD’s, and also tips for this weeks EDD?

hope it ain’t too stupid to want to do one. i already read on reddit that they basically have no room to breathe and dawdling. dawdling a lot like this whole paragraph

[magic prism]

yeah, that's pretty accurate. people often skip stuff like gold so that they get done faster. especially for missions like aquarqs where waves are based on time

[magic prism]

mostly, just know how to play your class properly and u should be alright

[magic prism]

for this week's edd, the nitra is pretty constrained so people are often low on ammo

[violet sequoia]

alright, that gives me a bit to go off of. guess i'll try to conserve my ammo best i can then, and remember how to properly play the vidya

[old widget]

Scouts who have run this EDD, I assume being Hollow Bough that a lot of the nitra is well hidden?

[obtuse pasture]

it is nitra tight

[old widget]

just wondering if it's tight because it's hard to find or because it's not there 🙂

[crimson tinsel]

both

Bough always has hidden nitra pockets but even then there's not a lot of expendable nitra to mess around with

[jaunty crag]

This week’s edd was kinda lacking in nitra

[old widget]

hmm, 4 drops of nitra in first stage

320+

other stages more slim I guess?

[obtuse pasture]

for an elim mission stage 2 was pretty tight.. to be clear this is the EDD.. the DD was a plenty nitra

[old widget]

yeah

nitra was definitely not plentiful

we ended up maybe 3/4 of 1 supply pod ahead at the end

there's some sneaky veins in stage 1 though, also break open the gifts for a decent chance at lootbugs, that got us over 320 in first stage

carried 240+ into stage 2 and it was pretty straightforward

then again I brought the easy button of NTP so YMMV

though I wanted to smack driller for continuing to waste EPC ammo doing TCF mining with a 20% success rate

[waxen terrace]

Yea gotta deal with the dreads efficiently

[jolly hazel]

we had ~80 at the end of each stage

[waxen terrace]

80 at the end is ideal

Also dont bring -ammo overclocks lol

Spinning death engis in this edd lmaoo

[jolly hazel]

yeah until the team who is killing the same amount of bugs combined as you are still manage to need a resup every 5 minutes

spinning death is nice for dreads but

dreads should be gunners job

[waxen terrace]

Just bring stock breach cutter with plasma trail

Or turret whip/lohk

[jolly hazel]

we had to finish the last stage of the hiveguard dread with power attacks

I had em refire stubby and pack rat pgl

[waxen terrace]

A sploder triggered the hiveguard in stage 3

[jolly hazel]

and 1 turret

[waxen terrace]

We did that and just speedran the 3 eggs 1 by 1

On the last egg we deposited and bailed

Ignored the mobs

[jolly hazel]

we did hiveguard last

probably would have been a better idea

to do it first

[waxen terrace]

Hiveguard last is preferable tbh

[jolly hazel]

unfortunately my team had communication issues

[waxen terrace]

But imo

2 eggs at once can save some ammo

Since each egg will summon a mini swarm

And the 3 egg room also has shellbacks

Also you better pray you dont get a bulk

So staying too long is not ideal either

Cause that happened in stage 1 and 2 when we were being slow

And late into stage 3

[jolly hazel]

we stayed on the plateau on the far side near the dread egg

not a great idea cuz everyone kept getting explodered

[jolly hazel]

I think that comes down to can your team handle it lol

and are you in a defensible position

[waxen terrace]

Well yea

[jolly hazel]

our driller decided to make a bunker halfway into the swarm and gunner went in there with him to die

[waxen terrace]

Lol

We just stayed outside

And yea cryo the sploders

Its a godsend

[jolly hazel]

he brought sludge

[waxen terrace]

[jolly hazel]

wait no he brought cryo

and he never froze a breeded

[waxen terrace]

Sludge i guess still works

[jolly hazel]

neither did the cryo name scout

[waxen terrace]

If the sploder dies from the goo

Lol

Freezing the breeder saves so much ammo

[jolly hazel]

it still exploded

wait no it doesnt

[waxen terrace]

Those fellas are tanky and rarely expose their weakspots

Breeders dont explode

[jolly hazel]

I forgot if

exploders explode in goo

or the dissolve procs

[waxen terrace]

They dont if they die to the goo

[jolly hazel]

before they enter explode animation

yeah I've got the spider man cryo nade maneuver down for breeders

[waxen terrace]

If theyre in the goo and they die to another source

Then yea they go boom

[jolly hazel]

i guess not everyone is so confident

cuz he never did it once

[waxen terrace]

Kinda hard to pull off when everyone is also shooting at the goo

And goo is dot

[jolly hazel]

yeah

[waxen terrace]

And yea idk if your team underestimates how much of a danger breeders are

[jolly hazel]

personally I'd rather have wave clear speed over ammo efficiency

if I had to choose between

[waxen terrace]

Ideally a balance for both

[jolly hazel]

its why I use carpet bomber and not neuro

yeah of course

[waxen terrace]

Carpet bomber is fine

[jolly hazel]

but wave clear means less dwarfs dying and less waste

[waxen terrace]

Neuro is ammo efficient against grunts

But abit ehh on anything bigger besides the slowdown

[jolly hazel]

yeah idk what they though lol

yeah I have lead spray to complement it

no cc means I have to rely on others with that build though

[waxen terrace]

Also did they freeze the nexuses and spitballers?

[jolly hazel]

or just kill the buggs

they were ok on that when they spawned close to us

[waxen terrace]

Spitballers are easy to freeze and saves the trouble of hitting their weakspots

[jolly hazel]

ya

[waxen terrace]

Nexuses yea you just dont want those annoying swarmers

[jolly hazel]

spitballer threat multiplies exponentially per spitballer lol

[split marlin]

nitraaaaaaaaa

[violet sequoia]

i did two runs of EDD, first one failed at stage 3, second one was a success but there was certainly some stuff there
two bulk detonators spawned in like 2 minutes at stage 3, and me and the driller didn’t make it at the end. or the gunner.
do players not making it at the end not matter for deep dives in general? i didn’t see anything counting surviving players at the results

[jolly hazel]

as long as 1 dwarf makes it to the pod its a succes each stage

I thought it counted survival at end of stage 3 but I guess not

[violet sequoia]

oh good so i should encourage people to leave me behind when i get downed at the end of a DD/EDD

[waxen terrace]

As long as the drop pod is open or if youre too far left behind then yea

Better for 1 person to survive and finish the deep dive for the rewards than risk all 4 dwarves going down

And just leaving for the drop pod is a last resort move

[jolly hazel]

remember that if the mission has a mule that you have to wait at the entrance anyways

so scout shouldn't zoom ahead

[waxen terrace]

Yea ideally you wanna have some backups to defend yourself with till molly gets to the pod

[prime egret]

took Pots O' Gold on the EDD. Scout + Driller... that was not fun, despite the 25k gold at the end. definitely not worth it. (and the worst classes to take this time for sure.)

[split marlin]

yeesh the terrain on thie edd

[waxen terrace]

Pots o gold is kinda useless in EDD

Most of the time youre gonna skip gold mining there due to certain missions having miniswarm intervals when that gold mining time can be used for objectives or nitra

[crimson tinsel]

Could be a fun little extra challenge to prolong EDDs

[proud seal]

What is at the bottom of a drg map me and the lads are goin hard in the paint tonight

[shadow shoal]

rocks

[ebon wharf]

stones

[devout warren]

Is there anything I should be worried about in stage 2 of the deep dive?

[placid crane]

there are bugs

kill bug

[crimson tinsel]

Nitra management against the dreads

That’s for EDD at least

Normal Dive not really, there aren’t any mutators

[devout warren]

I’m gonna try the EDD now

Should I do it solo or public?

[weak carbon]

if you enjoy purgatory do it public

[devout warren]

I do not enjoy purgatory

Solo it is

I’m already scared

I don’t like the sound of the description for it

[weak carbon]

stage 1 is annoying and hard

[devout warren]

What is a black box? never done one of those before

[scarlet jewel]

You know the salvage uplink?
Its that, but you dont fail the mission if you fail the black box

[devout warren]

Oh right

[crimson tinsel]

They tend to end up in unfavorable spots to defend

[placid crane]

they are usually not that bad

[crimson tinsel]

That current one is alright but the one before that was awful

[quaint pumice]

How hard are Elite deep dives compared to normal ones..? I've never dared touch them. x_x

[crimson tinsel]

EDD’s become accessible when you’re comfortable with Haz 4

Just have to try out different load outs over time until you find builds that cover all the bases you need.

Also try EDD’s if you want to learn quickly about what not to do during them. They’re punishing but they teach you fast.

I haven’t found a good setup for Hurricane that I enjoy yet. Got Jetfuel recently so I can try that. I mostly just stick with AoE Autocannon builds

Yeah it’s what I’ve been using

That and Carpet Bomber

You’ll find it eventually

The Autocannon has three good AoE OC’s that I remember

Splintering Shells isn’t as powerful AoE wise but it’s a clean OC so you’re not giving up anything to get the extra area damage and size

Carpet Bomber is basically neurotoxin but with less direct damage, no poison and more immediate area damage

The Autocannon is a very good all around gun with good options for OCs. Becomes great for clearing grunts and swarmers, suffers against bigger bugs if you don’t have Bertha.

Hurricane is more specialized and requires more thought to utilize well, plus the OC’s are more hit and miss. Minigun is great for single targets but can get overwhelmed during swarms if you’re not careful. Harder to recover with when you get trapped in stuns.

If you get surrounded with the Autocannon and you’re running AoE, you can practically just shoot your feet to kill everything around you.

[placid crane]

salvo is a really fun overclock

[jolly hazel]

imo need to be able to handle haz 5

why do u think 4

Salvo is fun but I think its really short ranged/long delay for its waveclear

otherwise u are wasting ammo

[placid crane]

very true, pretty shorter range compared to the other ocs, spamming it can drain ammo fast

[stoic ocean]

Yeah I'm definitely to the point where haz4 feels comfortable and rarely challenging but haz5 and EDD are still a huge jump. Agreed that you need to be comfortable with haz4 before having real success... But it's still a whole nother beast for me at least

[crimson tinsel]

I don’t play Haz 5 but I do the EDD’s and have only needed to retry a run once or twice since I started doing them a few months back.

[stoic ocean]

Well you're a lucky or skilled player then haha

[crimson tinsel]

From what others have said, the typical full length Haz 5 missions are harder than EDD’s

[stoic ocean]

Yeah to be fair I've only tried one EDD so far but quite a few haz5 and the one EDD I did had PE which I hear can be nuts?

[crimson tinsel]

Probably has to do with the mission occurrences that don’t exist in Deep Dives

Yeah EDD PE missions are basically speed runs

The swarms quickly get out of hand

The one Stage 3 a couple weeks ago gave people a hard time if they weren’t tasking each member of the team efficiently

[jolly hazel]

only due to nitra constraints imo

its technically harder by stage 3

and ya there was a PE+dread with low oxygen on a crappy cave a few weeks ago

diff between haz 4 and 5 seems to be can you kite lol

[humble sparrow]

I've had stuff go smoother in EDD solo than Haz 5 solo/group runs because you can stock up on Nitra in the 4.5 part, and the objectives are generally easier than trying to finish regular secondaries.

[crimson tinsel]

The multiplier might go to 5.5, but with simpler objectives, Stage 3’s still often pale in comparison to some Haz 5 missions.

[jolly hazel]

fair

I feel people are more focused (usually) on edd so thats why it can go better lol

[crimson tinsel]

And even among just EDD’s there have been a good few times I’ve seen where Stage 3’s have been the easiest of the Dive just because of the way the mission generated.

[jolly hazel]

of course

same way with haz 5 missions though right

[crimson tinsel]

Few weeks ago it was Stage 1 that was killing everyone lol

[jolly hazel]

ya funny vertical shaft cave gen with a hiveguard PE

[crimson tinsel]

Yeah randomly generated Haz 5 missions have more of a chance at having something turn out unfair just from bad luck

[jolly hazel]

"yeah you know how dread missions dont have spawns so you can focus on the dread"

"good luck"

[crimson tinsel]

PE mixed with dread lol

[warm imp]

Just died stage 1 of solo DD because of 3 slashers comboing me into a bulk det how's everyone doing

[jolly hazel]

do you have dash?

absolute life saver of a perk

[warm imp]

Yes but I had used it 5 seconds prior to escape the det slam
Then got stunlocked by the slashers shortly after

[jolly hazel]

epico

whered u get caught

[vale lintel]

something with stun, even just a power attack, normally does wonders against slashers

[jolly hazel]

what class btw

[warm imp]

MULE room, bulk appeared as I was repairing one of them
Was playing gunner
Honestly it's like 5 AM my processing is not the best rn don't know why I decided solo DD was a good idea

[jolly hazel]

shield?

also the det was the last down? how did you go down the first 3(?) times

bunny hopping helps when kiting with gunner

[warm imp]

By Karl I forgot to shield
And this is why I shouldn't game at 5 AM
Doesn't help that I've been playing engie a lot more than gunner recently

[jolly hazel]

damn

[severe tusk]

When I haven't played a class for a while I sometimes forget to do things too, like shield with gunner, places turrets as engi, and use C4 as driller. Scout's flares are kind of hard to forget for more than 20-30 seconds because you're in the dark without them 😄

[jolly hazel]

to me it seems a lot of scouts are fine with the dark

[storm belfry]

throws flare with malicious intent

[barren thorn]

Is it me or was this weeks deep dive just completely horrible to play?

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[barren thorn]

Triple Opressors, Bulky boys back to back, overall lack of nitra with lots of enemies

[violet sequoia]

my successful run had two bulk detonators within minutes of the final stage
don’t remember if there was more after that tho

[barren thorn]

Just failed another attempt with randoms, got two bulk detonators at first stage and driller quit

[crimson tinsel]

Seems to be a lot of quitting drillers lately

The one in my game left when we were doing fine in Stage 2 so something probably just came up

[storm belfry]

I never leave, don’t really see a point as it does nothing good for anyone

[crimson tinsel]

People usually leaves because a.) they lose connection, b.) they suddenly have to do something irl or c.) they get upset at how the mission is going and would rather restart with other dwarves. Sometimes people also just don’t care about the cosmetic core and bail after Stage 2

[storm belfry]

Then maybe I’m just too stubborn to leave :)

[crimson tinsel]

I’ve been on some teams where we came back from what looked like a hopeless situation. Those times usually one person just bails and misses out on us pulling through and getting our cores.

[storm belfry]

To be fair I have that happen on even regular missions pretty often as well

[crimson tinsel]

You’d think the allure of those cores would get people to stay until they knew it was over lol

[storm belfry]

If the scout is alive, I see it as a possibility to survive

Until I c4 him as a parting gift

[crimson tinsel]

Straight up watched a diamond Engie dodge a C4 and ram a Fat Boy right into the driller that threw it. It was amazing and I died laughing.

[storm belfry]

Always a fun moment to see a teammate dodge a c4, and an even more fun time to see if they retaliate

I usually try to keep my c4ing to a minimum though, don’t wanna piss off management

[crimson tinsel]

Pretty sure the Engie was waiting for it. Had that Engie-sense that something was up.

[storm belfry]

Understandable as an engie

I’m too comfortable as a Driller so far to try different classes, I like being able to dig where I want

[crimson tinsel]

I’m most comfortable with Gunner

The one dwarf I’ll run at swarms with. Might even dash into the middle of them just to keep the other three dwarves from stealing any of my kills.

[storm belfry]

proceeds to set you on fire, totally not on purpose

I tend to ride a fine line on how Chaotic Good I am when I play games

[crimson tinsel]

I’d be more mad about the bugs you killed instead of me

My gunner is greedy af

[storm belfry]

I sense consent for c4ing

[crimson tinsel]

Dash bby

[storm belfry]

Fair enough

[magic spoke]

Well fellas

I finished the elite deep dive

Is it me or is there barely any nitra

[humble sparrow]

Definitely an issue players have ran into this EDD

[magic spoke]

I had to berserker the last dreadnought to death, shit was CLOSE

And the scout had to let everyone else double dip since he wasn't really that helpful

Rich atmosphere on level 2 came in clutch though

[crimson tinsel]

Scout should be one of the main Dread fighters

[weak carbon]

barely enough nitra for 4 players

youre most likely gonna clutch the extraction on stage 3

thank god the map is super small

[placid crane]

you know, i had the same exact thoughts in solo, and only got 340 nitra overall i nthe dive, but i found almost triple that amount in a trio of friends

there were some sneaky nitra placements

[magic spoke]

you say that, but cryo is more worth

[crimson tinsel]

Cryo driller is more at risk of getting one-shotted and burns a ton of ammo for only a second of freeze each time. Hipster Scout can spam into the weakspot and melt dreads

[placid crane]

cryo canno has range lol

if a dread is frozen, it's a small window of oppurtunity to dish out a massive amount of damage quickly, e.g. hyper-proppellent/supercooling chamber/axe (and axe-cancelling)/spam in general

[magic spoke]

Exactly

Also, I don't know what you see under 'burns tons of ammo"

Freezing 1 dreadnought makes it so that everyone on your team is actively saving ammo

[placid crane]

I can get 550 ammo w/ cryo cannon if people are saying they burn ammo fast

[magic spoke]

And we had 2 hive minds this one, meaning 2-3 c4s are gonna take out weapsots

[static crown]

How do you promote?

[tidal spruce]

get to red level 25 on a character, and do the mission, then go up to the memorial hall and click the button on the terminal

[static crown]

Ooh okay thanks

[shell kettle]

when you promote you will also need some resources and run 3 or 4 assignment missions

[crimson tinsel]

[thorny geyser]

Sniping the C4 just when driller has deployed it.

[crimson tinsel]

Sniping it just as the driller deployed it onto the drop pod ramp and running by his body to finish the mission without him

[sick cloud]

Do elite deep dives give better loot than regular deep dives

or is it just for a challenge kinda deal?

[minor bloom]

Just for an extra challenge and additional rewards(both dives will give a blank matrix core, a weapon overclock and a cosmetic overclock)

[old widget]

both DD and EDD give a fixed base amount of gold and XP. EDD gives more than DD

[sick cloud]

thanks 👍

[tardy elbow]

edd is insane this week

both times i got to 3, somone accidently broke a dreadnaught egg

[crimson tinsel]

Sounds like mistakes more than the mission being that bad. Gotta slap the egg breakers upside the head

[tardy elbow]

cant lmao we ded

i didnt say it was bad

its just hard

we spent like 30 mins in 2 with no ammo killing one of them

[opal glen]

can i join somebody?

looking for edd

[old widget]

#lfg-steam you can host or join if you see one. pinned messages in that channel has instructions on how to link discord/steam so you can post invites

(It's pretty late in the weekly cycle though, EDDs reset every Thursday, so there may not be as many dwarves looking for one)

[wintry breach]

that elite dive was tuff,

nitra was running thin haha

[spring valve]

getting the last egg and immediately call the drop pod and doing an epic escape sequence with 0 ammo and 0 nitra is indeed stressful

[thorny geyser]

EDD was good.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1836904735695726975/B4B7FCFB56138D1F80F901054536D7BF1DD0AC1A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Very relaxing.

[placid crane]

“What an easy dive”

[crimson tinsel]

Medic Gunner Medic Gunner

[thorny geyser]

First stage had broken ass terrain that made fights harder for those who stayed down there, i just took zipline up

[crimson tinsel]

Yup I ended up having to take the lead with my group and bring everyone back up whenever an egg was pulled

Same tactic saved my group in the Stage 2 of the previous EDD too

We couldn’t move around well in that diagonal terrain so we had the scout grab eggs while he fought the swarms

[thorny geyser]

Definitely, better safe than sorry.

Scoot didnt listen to us, he kept popping eggs despite still fighting previous swarms.

Needless to say, he went down a lot.

[crimson tinsel]

Scout looks around and realizes he’s by himself with four freshly pooped eggs

[jolly hazel]

would have kicked at egg 2

tbh

[plush cosmos]

EDD was great solo.

Attempted to do it with friends and kept getting bulk detonators during the black box

once we cleared first stage though it was fine

lots of naedocyte breeders and leeches all the way through

[little timber]

is a bulk guaranteed during black box? I got one too solo

always an interested EDD when you look at dreads and sigh in relief

[split marlin]

not guaranteed but bulks seem to like showing up in EDDs

[old widget]

Dynamic enemy spawns during waves/swarms aren’t exactly the same, but the parameters that go into the RNG pool are, so you can see a lot of similar experiences for sure

[oblique meadow]

So my game keeps crashing upon getting to the second stage of the deep dive. Anyone else experience this? Upon loading the screen just turns black and I'm out. I'm with 3 other people and they redid the dive and it happened again - none of them had an issue. I'm also on the same wifi as another friend so it's not just a coincidental drop. On an Xbox Series S.

[sour ibex]

what is best for the gunner? I dont know if the autocannon or the minigun + ricochet mod is better

my main problem is dealing with dreadnoughts

[marble veldt]

Bullet Hell (ricochet) makes you lose damage so it's not the best choice for Dreads
I suggest you try a simple 32212 build (it works with no OC).
The Stun in T3 is to have a CC option to deal with ambiant swarms

[shy vector]

For this week's EDD, I've been hacking away at it as a driller

I look at terrain differently now, as if it was Minecraft dirt. Granted, Rocky Mountain drinks also help a ton.

[hardy storm]

yes, surprisingly i had EDD runs with 2 bulks on first stage, and another with none for the entire run this week

[worthy moss]

https://chibi.blatant-lizardry.moe/oytg7mavvepy.png

how do me and my old roommate keep pulling this off

we were perpetually at the skin of our teeth and extremely low on nitra & ammo

[crimson tinsel]

Great job!

[short charm]

Did the EDD first try with another group.

Tried again with some randoms just now. They wanted to bunker with the uplink, but two of us refused and they dug down about 30m deep. We warned them, they insisted on it and thought it was peak gaming.

Im sure ya'll know exactly what happened after that.

[jolly hazel]

they got kicked?

[marble veldt]

They died

Alone

In their hole

[violet sequoia]

i wonder what management thinks of bunkering tactics

[humble sparrow]

Probably fine with it when it works, maybe bothered by the time spent getting it setup.

[violet sequoia]

when there’s two bulk detonators coming and they stay in the bunker

[final plover]

Bulk spawned right next to uplink, we all scattered, bulk went boom next to uplink.

[short charm]

Bulk spawned right on top of the hole, ignored me and Gunnerman, dug straight down, GG.

Management of course cried over and over about the uplink and and that we should be getting back into it, but the uplink was mostly fire and death.

[odd comet]

https://c.tenor.com/ZIZ-fvdjmnMAAAAM/hail-king-elmo-elmo.gif

Yeah when a bulk gets onto the uplink and just kinda sits there there's really not much you can do

[soft stump]

Gunner can throw down a shield to push it back. I'm not sure if bulks go for engi lures.

[vale lintel]

they don't, they can't target things other than players for the most part. Same AI dreadnoughts have, makes them unable to target objectives and ruin them and their difficulty - stuff like pipes particularly

[tacit fulcrum]

Radius of bulk AOE attack is bigger than even a max radius shield.

[foggy sentinel]

The shield is still useful for pushing it away from where the team is sitting

[obtuse pasture]

Gunner shield is magic.. it fears the bulky bois

[vale lintel]

gunner shield cancels all attacks because its fear is so powerful, dreadnoughts will abandon a slam when a shield is tossed at them

[stray dawn]

Anyone available to take me through a E-Deep Dive? Prestige 1 Level 8 Scout btw.

[molten osprey]

Anyone for either deep dive?

[old widget]

#lfg-steam

[warm imp]

I have successfully run it back with solo DD stage one

No unfortunate slasher-bulk combos this time

Also my braincells are working now yay

[floral meteor]

How's this week's EDD looking for solo?

Is it possible to do stages 1 and 2 solo at least? I don't care about stage 3

[thorny geyser]

should be doable, if you do run solo, maybe heightened senses?

[unkempt saffron]

Stage 1 is a bit frisky due to the cave layout imo, the other stages however should be fine

However, the black box is close to all the eggs and the eggs themselves arent spread out too far apart, theyre all within one cave complex at least

And also, there really arent as many leeches as i anticipated for stage 1, but id still be very careful moving around the cave

[tidal spruce]

all the leeches are in very "hidden" places, so don't get grabbed

[dire jackal]

I've found this week's EDD pretty tough as a solo, but then I main a flame driller so the number of Dreadnoughts (fire resistant) & limited Nitra is not a great combination for that loadout. I've tried Gunner but quickly become overwhelmed. Might just wait for next week. 🥳

[unkempt saffron]

I think youd be better off using cryo or even the poop gun for this edd, they be of much greater use against the dreads at least

[warm imp]

Just got past stage 1 of EDD as solo gunner
Bloody hell that was pain

Hollow Bough is the bane of my existence

[unkempt saffron]

Those slasher vines will do that to you, probably more of a threat than cave leeches tbh

[humble sparrow]

The leeches I'd count as a hassle until you're dealing with them mid-swarm.

[warm imp]

Got leeched while kiting a Dread
Fortunately Bosco decided to step it up and actually got me down before my health got rekt

[split marlin]

terrain

making it hard to see everything while swarmers everywhere from the dozen brood nexuses

also a lot of the nitra is located in hard to see places

[unkempt saffron]

Well, hollow bough will do that to a dwarf

[split marlin]

there's a leech in stage 2 or 3 that pulls people from out of line of sight through a ceiling

grab path almost horizontal

[warm imp]

Holy hell EDD stage 2
Rich atmosphere made the escape sequence so much more intense

[old widget]

Why’s that? Should’ve been a lot easier.

[warm imp]

It wasn't harder

It just felt more, well, intense

Pod spawned like 3 caves away and it just felt way more hype than usual bhopping through the tunnels at supersonic speed

[tall meadow]

It's all fun and games in rich atmosphere until your supreme speed and momentum clashes with DRG physics, causing you to get insta down at the corner of a wall as you pass by

[unkempt saffron]

On the brightside, you can get to the dreads ass quicker

[vale lintel]

all fun and games in the Hollow Bough until you jump on top of a fallen bough cone or a tumbleweed and are catapulted into the floor at maximum velocity by barrel physics and instantly downed. Also works with Comba Buds

[warm imp]

If you jump on Molly just right you noclip all the way to Hoxxes' star

[graceful needle]

Geez, did one edd with randoms. We died on stage 1 of second egg. With a total of 11 downs. Then I did solo Edd and finished with 2 downs, all on that first stage. Randoms are

[graceful needle]

True, scanned the ceilng often with Lok and still got nabbed once

[haughty nova]

i do not like that cocoon in the tunnel in the last edd level

also clipped into nitra

[unkempt saffron]

Good thing its near spawn, but the way the dread hiveguard spawns is kinda weird

[haughty nova]

my team was starved for ammo, by the time we got to the nitra behind it a random silent swarm took us out

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[magic spoke]

No one doesm

It's nasty

[opaque jetty]

hello guys

[dire jackal]

thank you! completed it.

[hard topaz]

Anyone have recommendations for the Elite dive this week using the thunderhead? I'm curious how other people build it for the hardest content for solo. It's my favorite of the gunner weapons. Currently running lots of fire rate and increased area. I have few mods for it (currently running carpet bombing).

[burnt sandal]

For solo you're probably better off using either Big Bertha or Splintering shells

[leaden cypress]

Neuro🅱️oxin

[obtuse pasture]

biggest problem with thunderhead solo EDD is dealing with dreads.. it just takes a while.

[leaden cypress]

that's why your secondary weapon exists

[humble sparrow]

Break the shell/armor with Thunderhead and unload secondary

[obtuse pasture]

killing dreads with secondary only is not an ammo effecient experience.. it works.. but only if the primary is good for breaking armour etc

Splintering shells probably best bet

[hard topaz]

I built my secondary for maximum damage that melts dreadnoughts in literal seconds

[obtuse pasture]

brt brt brt brt

[hard topaz]

I wish I had neurotoxin but I don't

[hard topaz]

I've tried using armor breaking features but they never do more damage against dreadnought's yellow health.

[burnt sandal]

AB doesn't work on Dreadnought "armor" indeed

[humble sparrow]

Dread's yellow HP is a "shell", doesn't count as actual armor apparently.
You'll completely disintegrate the armor on the Twins though.

[obtuse pasture]

twins armour is a good example

[hard topaz]

Okay yeah

I beat the Elite dive using engie. I'm curious about my "paladin" gunner build now

[obtuse pasture]

good old splintering shells is pretty nice balance.. but something like carpet bomber is horde clear and kinda poo on single target

like trying to use sticky fuel to slowly and painfully kill a dread and eat ALL the ammo in the world

[tranquil apex]

can people join mid dive?attempting my first one

[obtuse pasture]

#lfg-steam - big suggestion to try them out

Just ask nicely and somebody will jump in.. follow the instructions in the pinned link

also.. if you are worried - you can try solo for a feel first

Normal DD is not too scary"!

[humble sparrow]

Pretty sure it only joinable at (before) start

[old widget]

in addition to what greenhatman said - no, there's no "latejoin" capability for deep dives. all players intending to dive together have to start the dive together

if you are in a dive with a team and get disconnected, in theory it's possible to rejoin, but only if the game gives you that prompt

in practice, it seems to work about half the time

[random rampart]

nope

[tranquil apex]

TY!

also good to know about the late join thing andy. Sometimes it just tells me like match closed

[tranquil apex]

will check it out for future deep dives, attempting this one solo to see what it's all about yeah

[old widget]

yeah it's kinda dumb, but any dive in the public server list you see that's greyed out is already in progress and not joinable (not sure why they even show up)

and sometimes the dive starts in between when you see the open dive and hit "join", which can cause join fails

[tranquil apex]

ended up crashing on stage 2 of that solo one so dunno if i'll attempt another one just yet.

[tranquil apex]

I've ran into this problem with normal dives yeah. I assumed that was the cause good to have it confirmed.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[chrome crystal]

Comba Buuuuuu- SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!

[west nest]

this edd was pretty scarce on nitra wasn't it

didn't help that a hipster scout was bleeding $400,000 worth of ammo every 12 seconds but we made it somehow

[tiny frost]

yeah, it was a rough one for sure

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[random rampart]

There's a void in this ba-I'M DOWN!

[lethal goblet]

What’s the hazard equivalent for a regular deep dive?

[dawn sphinx]

i think it was 3.5 - 4 - 4 but dont quote me on thatt

[stone chasm]

3 - 3.5 - 3.5

[marble thistle]

3/3.5/4 for DD
4.5/5/5.5 EDD

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: Everlasting Retreat
Stage 1: 7 Aquarq + Dreadnought Classic | No Mutators
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + Dreadnought Twins | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 3: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Mactera Plague

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Azure Weald | Code Name: Dirty Heart
Stage 1: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Elite Threat
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + 📡 1 Black Box | Cave Leech Cluster

[wraith shard]

Azure Weald... 😫

[tight trout]

azure weald is pog weald

[fast sluice]

elites on escort

smells spicy

[tight trout]

would be fun if

they added a new modifier

grabber swarm

elite
grabber swarm

[wraith shard]

😆 I take my "yes we go" back

[fast sluice]

you're thinking too small

trawler swarm

on any region

[tight trout]

you're thinking too small

bulk swarm

but they ride trawlers

and have ranged attacks

[wraith shard]

Bulk swarm + huge nitra deposits

[tight trout]

+trawlers

[marble veldt]

DD never goes above 3.5

[broken shore]

EDD 2nd = 250 Morkite + 2 Mini M.U.L.E.s / No mutators

[drifting parcel]

hollow bough and azure weald

[old widget]

This is incorrect. DD goes 3/3.5/3.5.
(and yes, I can't read scrollback this early in the morning apparently)

[marble thistle]

My Mistake then. Thanks for the correction.

[broken shore]

EDD 3rd = 6 Eggs + 1 black box / cave leech cluster

[rough slate]

DD 2nd = 6 eggs + twins

cave leech cluster

[crimson tinsel]

Looking like another nice EDD once you get past stage 1. How are the cave layouts?

Also NO DREADS IN EDD?!

[weak carbon]

Azure weald is worst

cant change my mind

[broken shore]

why still no info for dd 3rd

[weak carbon]

Slow miners

[broken shore]

DD 3rd = protect drilldozer + 2 eggs/ Mactera plague + Low gravity

[violet sequoia]

cave leech cluster for stage 3 EDD
on one hand i know now that there’s gonna be those bastards
on the other hand everyone is gonna get grabbed anyways

[quiet mortar]

You saint, I love you ❤️

[echo mauve]

true

[unkempt saffron]

It looks nice, i love the stingrays, but the terrain sucks and i find it too dark in some parts, so you have a point

[haughty nova]

Comba bud

[weak carbon]

gurken shuck

[crimson tinsel]

Best thing about Cluster is that it’s not a repeating hazard. Once they’re all dead, they’re dead.

[violet sequoia]

clearly they should make cave leeches respawn

[crimson tinsel]

Imagine being halfway through heartstone and having a cluster spawn above Dotty

[drifting parcel]

cave leeches hunt in packs 😳

[crimson tinsel]

Ain’t no party like a cave leech party

[brave yarrow]

eng is actually better than gunner at killing/protecting than gunner?

I wrote gunner twice lol

[drifting parcel]

depends, he can be yeah

[tiny frost]

no dreadnaughts in the edd? pogged

[tight trout]

cave leeches

should spawn

in waves

[crimson tinsel]

Imagine leeches mixed with Menaces. Pop out above you and retreat when fired at,

[violet sequoia]

surely this EDD won't be as bad as the last one

even though having trouble with how little nitra there was is clearly a skill issue for me

[crimson tinsel]

I went in with NTP autocannon which is very good on ammo so that helped

[obtuse pasture]

wel... today's EDD was the longest EDD I have ever done. took me 1h40 solo (granted i went in blind and was hunting nitra)

[leaden cypress]

How nice it is to play with a driller that keeps killing me with cryo/C4/TCF because i did the huge mistake of mining nitra on my own

Good thing host kicked him a few minutes later

[tight trout]

so basically you got in drillers way and are sad that you got what was coming to you

[obtuse pasture]

this EDD was definitely worse than the last one in my opinion. AT least stage 1 is a lottery - Elite + Doretta = pain - and the cave layout in stage3 suuuucks.. but stage2 is a doddle

[leaden cypress]

[violet sequoia]

not nice

[leaden cypress]

stage 3 is compensated by the huge amount of nitra you get when you reach it

[violet sequoia]

nice

[tight trout]

i kinda just wanna do stage 1 of the edd

[obtuse pasture]

Stage 3 EDD - got a bulk during black box, had to abandon the box and restart it later... and got a SECOND bulk.. this is some next level RNG

[leaden cypress]

as for black box you can dig it so it goes completely under the egg "area" so you don't struggle with it

[tight trout]

mfw you're dicking the box

[leaden cypress]

T9

[obtuse pasture]

if driller 100% .. i was playing solo engi.. so picking my way to the ground seems a little too high risk for my liking

[leaden cypress]

no driller since he was kicked

took us less than a min to dig the stuff

[obtuse pasture]

I also did the dumb thing of forgetting i was playing solo and left steeve at home and went with the super useful.. first-aid active.. sadness ensues

[tight trout]

i have never used steve

[obtuse pasture]

steve in haz5 4player is borderline useless. In solo he draws aggro and is an early warning system.. also pretty good against opressors and other annoyances.. even had him kill a few cave leeches for me

gotta say the cave leeches in stage3 did not feel like a cave leech cluster.. had more issues with leeches in stage 1 - due to them being on the dorreta path

[old widget]

Steeve can kill cave leeches? I did not know this.

Guess they’re just ceiling mounted enemies to munch

[red aurora]

takes him a while to get there but he can

also is anyone else getting dejavu with the regular deep dive? it struck me on the third mission cause I remember having to dig through eggs blocking the tunnel to the final chamber with a massive stone bridge in the middle of the cavern

[old widget]

DRG uses a lot of prefab cave chunks. After a while you start to notice them repeat

[zealous coral]

mfw dreadnought swarm in DD first mission immediately after i killed the dreadnought...

[hard topaz]

Oh boy I can't wait to suffer in EDD today!

[obtuse pasture]

and you will

[hard topaz]

If I had a full experienced team it might be better but I almost always solo with engie or driller. I only care about the weapon overclocks

[obtuse pasture]

I posted a pic of my solo run #deep-dive-speedrunning message It was NOT fast today.. slowest EDD I have ever done

got some crazy bad RNG and went in blind so spend extra time hunting nitra to be safe

[hard topaz]

This was perhaps one of the hardest elite dives I've done in a while

The first area hits hard and fast. 3 godamn swarm spawners

[obtuse pasture]

also so annoying cave leech positions on the doretta path

[hard topaz]

I found them immediately and managed to survive. I never do that

[drifting parcel]

this edd is quite chill

[hard topaz]

Once you get past the first stage the rest of the EDD isn't bad.

[obtuse pasture]

I got some horrific bulk spawns during black box.. had to stop and start it from scratch TWICE

stage2 of the EDD is chill AF.. if you get past stage1 .. you will def finish stage 2 no probs

[hard topaz]

I also got a bulk during the black box. Bosco kept him slowed enough for me to finish

There better be no elite threat for this week's EDD...

[lunar helm]

no dreadnoughts on EDD this week?

coool

[hard topaz]

Adds so much unnecessary challenge without being interesting.

[magic spoke]

Is there low o2

[red aurora]

doesn't look like the pin has been updated yet

oh wait it has

[hard topaz]

Sigh. Of course elite threat. I'm so tired of it

[red aurora]

lmao I did it again then, cause I just did normal Deep dive like an hour ago

and its refreshed late again now its hollow bough

[red aurora]

from the pin no, but first stage is elite threat so enjoy that

[placid crane]

what's wrong with elite threat, i think it's a great addition to the game

[red aurora]

mainly just making stuff into massive and fast bullet sponges especially with EDD difficulty is just groan worthy

[old widget]

Only two elite anythings can be alive in the game at any one time. It’s not so bad IMO

[red aurora]

god help you if its two elite grabbers

[old widget]

There is that

“Off to Brazil with you! Let’s go!”

[red aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHx1lFp5oXY&ab_channel=BlαckWolf

not seen is it going at mac 1 out of your line of sight and appearing for two frames just to take you to brazil

[old widget]

Elite slashers are my least favorite. Friggin one shot murder machines

[red aurora]

but yeah anyway memes aside, unlucky elite spawns can take normally fine bugs and then completely eliminate their downsides and make them real pains to deal with

like trijaws, and standard mactera, and praetorians

mactera and trijaws don't get stunned as often and don't stand nearly as still to get shot, charging faster and hitting you way harder

prae basically suffocating you and chasing you to the ends of the earth with their speed

[hard topaz]

Don't forget elite bulks.

[red aurora]

elite bulks are fucking scary

[obtuse pasture]

worst by far on dorreta mission - 2 elite menaces + high ceilings.. good luck not getting doretta dumpstered

[hard topaz]

Bulks sre already bullet sponges

[obtuse pasture]

Elite bulks are scary but really a pack of elite slashers/guards can ruin your day pretty hard.. they just take a lot to kill and will most of the time get damage on you

[inland dome]

If I'm not mistaken elite bulke are faster than walking

[obtuse pasture]

they are

[inland dome]

They WILL catch up to you

[hard topaz]

I'd love to see a video of someone soloing this mission. If anyone does that reads this ping me with the video.

[red aurora]

yeah its just, it takes an already fine bug with nuance and then it pumps it full of steriods and says, good enough, so with EDD scaling and elite buff were talking some serious like, one bug team wipes

[inland dome]

No contest

[obtuse pasture]

solo of which mission - this weeks EDD?

[hard topaz]

Yep

[inland dome]

Elite lootbug teamwipe

Fear

[obtuse pasture]

Done it sir.. posted completion screen on other DD discuiossn

[hard topaz]

I legitimately believe it's impossible to solo an elite threat with dotty's slow ass

[obtuse pasture]

scraped by with engi after losing both sides - 1 during the rock phase and 1 just before

during a death

[hard topaz]

What is your set up? Engie is probably the only class I can consistently solo EDD on because of the turrets

[obtuse pasture]

using the advanced platform path tricks for 2 tapping the tips of the beamers

[hard topaz]

I usually just have Bosco handle the pylons

[obtuse pasture]

MPA + Turret Whip, Lure, Spinning Death BC with ammo stun and plasma trail mods

Gemini turerts with stun and defender

[obtuse pasture]

i save bosco for cryo rockets on packs closing in dotty to buy time.. or more important cryo rocket a menace so i can 3 tap it with MPA hog from range

Lure + Spinning death buys soo much time..

[hard topaz]

Hmm. I thought lure was too weak for haz 4+ because of its terrible health

[obtuse pasture]

lure is better the harder it gets. throw a spinning death on the lure location and bugs charge into the bledner.. throw a few turret whips on that nonsense and you are good

[hard topaz]

Hmm ok

I usually use em discharge with gemini to keep monsters feared and to clear swarmers with little ammo

[red aurora]

yeah can attest, CC is way more important for engineer so even if lures are kinda doo doo health wise, they do stick around long enough for the set up to happen

[obtuse pasture]

until a month ago i would almost NEVER run lure.. i was a hardcore plasma burster abuser.. but since moving to spinning death BC and LURE my consistency is way way higher. MPA just runs it out with dealing with threats FAST and turret whip is kinda busted when you get used to it

[red aurora]

defender turret whip is cracked

[obtuse pasture]

also spinning death blender stops bugs getting to the lure. stunned taking damage from blender and plasma.. rip bugs

[hard topaz]

I haven't switched from proxy mines since I unlocked them. 440 damage is too good

[red aurora]

well if we are talking solo EDD you want consistency and consistency is luring 10 bugs and then more into a blender over maybe popping one or two grunts with a mine

[obtuse pasture]

proxies are too inconsistent for me.. sometimes they do the job i need (nice on salvage and end/tunnel stages of escort) but otherwise too high risk

[obtuse pasture]

this man lures

[red aurora]

damn straight

[crimson tinsel]

Wow. This EDD felt like a DD

[hard topaz]

I don't know if I have spinning death OC yet

[red aurora]

you sure you got the right one tinker?

[obtuse pasture]

also lure.. help you buy time for a desperation resup.. which i actually needed this mission.. after the bulk box, bulk box experience

[crimson tinsel]

Yeah just finished both dives

[obtuse pasture]

Like all ELITE mod EDDs.. if the elits you get are not a problem it is a mostly normal mission.. if you get the bullshit package.. well it turned into a shit show

[red aurora]

I mean even without spinning death, if you have the reversal one, or even just a solid BC build or PGL build, with turret whip defender to supplement you have GREAT stopping power regardless

[crimson tinsel]

Three of us in the EDD went without getting downed at all

[obtuse pasture]

looks like I got all your bullshit.. I got a bulk during the black box, had to abandon it and restart it, then got ANOTHER bulk and had to do it again.. (playing solo)

[crimson tinsel]

We got one bulk before Black Box and used it to clear the black box terrain lol

[obtuse pasture]

stage 2 was super easy .. basically a basic haz5 mission

[obtuse pasture]

lucky.. I had 3 bulks during stage 3.. one during first 3 eggs and then 2 during the BBs

[crimson tinsel]

Tons of nitra too

we had like six pods outside the black box

[red aurora]

but yeah personally I run a build very similar to greenhat but its usually 1 turret and fatman, its my go to for most missions I have to pick engi for, MPA is great OC and lures fatmen and turret whips take out loads of the small fry and then make sure anything left alive is very very unhappy with being that way

[obtuse pasture]

about 300 nitra in stage 1 and only needed a single.. and quite a lot in stage 2 as well. By the time you get to stage 3 it is mostly getting the job done..

[obtuse pasture]

I like fatboy as well.. but normally not solo. Only because it is a terrible panic button and I like having it as a wave pruner in multiple.

[red aurora]

true that

[obtuse pasture]

Spinning death is the "oh shit 4 slashers and some grunts, no turrets up and jammed on a ledge/corner/tunnel etc"

also another solo tip for ammo risk reduction - always get bosco to cryo rocket nexus/spitballers - so you can clean em up on the cheap with MPA hog (or whatever it is you are using as primary)

[red aurora]

yup, cryo is a god send

[obtuse pasture]

pretty much mandatory for solo scout when doing point defence salavage/BB

I think this week might have been easier with my usual solo scout EDD build - because of how irritating azure weald map layouts can be.

[nocturne oracle]

I HATE ACID SPITTERS

ALL MY HOMIES HATE ACID SPITTERS

[olive tulip]

Menaces are just as bad

Also Elite Threat is basically rng the game

[obtuse pasture]

yup .. elite threat has some really screwed up difficulty spikes.. and not in a good way.

[brisk pagoda]

you mean you dont love a grabber so fast it grabs you through solid walls?

[red aurora]

or spitters so deadly you go down in one shot?

[shell tapir]

urgh

greenbeard immediately building the blackbox on last EDD mission

[fringe kettle]

Have you tried maintaining situational awareness? Seems to solve most problems with elite enemies.

[shell tapir]

which is in an absolutely horrible position without prep

and obviously we wiped to bulk x)

[red aurora]

greenbeard moment

[shell tapir]

the angle cave leeches can grab you at are very weird sometimes

like I got grabbed by a leech which was only slightly above me on a very low ceiling but was like 20m away

[brisk pagoda]

for most of it sure, but it means almost nothing to elite grabbers, especially since you can have multiple of them spawn at the same time and they can grab during their spawning animation so if they spawn near you you have literally no chance to react

[tall meadow]

this week EDD is another breezy one

only interesting part was the black box in stage 3

but a petal of repellant platforms around the sides of the column solved the problem easily

[nocturne oracle]

There was a spicy Cave leech directly above it

[obtuse pasture]

glad you chaps never got much of the true nonsense.. If stage 3 was salvage and not black box.. I lose this EDD solo 100%. Black box and bulks in that position not friendly.. bulk just cruising on the ceiling towards me.. .. kill all the stuff restart the BB.. NEW bulk.. sigh rinse repeat

never seen that before in700+ hours.. still added some spice after the luxury cruise that was stage 2

[hard topaz]

I'm curious. What are your opinions on a driller building pure freeze for a team EDD?

[upper geyser]

ughhhhhhh 3 of us have to go through the edd phase 3 again from a bad 4th

the 4th started every freakin event he could as soon as he saw it

including the first 2 eggs, which both triggered waves. we hadn't cleared out the leeches

[brisk pagoda]

run max ammo and either tuned cooler, spear or snowball for overclock

and cold radiance

[hard topaz]

Yes I do all that

It's probably the best defense build in thr game while simultaneously making everyone ammo efficient

It's rare to see anyone make snowman build s

[olive tulip]

Try the ones that grab you horizonally, absolute rubbish

[shell tapir]

yeah that's what I'm saying basically lol

[brisk pagoda]

i been pulled through the floor like at least 3 times

[olive tulip]

Also them phasing through objects to grab you should not be a thing

Yes that too

Cheap as hell

[shell tapir]

quantum cave leeches

[nocturne oracle]

i'm just glad EDD had zero dreads

[olive tulip]

My 1 down in edd was due to a quantum leech, grabbed me through the branch that extend across the middle in stage 3

[hard topaz]

I've only been pulled through terrain by a leech only once...

[waxen terrace]

so uhh

is nitra stingy this rotation?

[nocturne oracle]

not for solo

[olive tulip]

Very generous

[nocturne oracle]

No clue about the group dive though

[olive tulip]

We had 6 drops by edd stage 3

Just Azure being dark as usual so you need to keep an eye out for nitra

[brisk pagoda]

i havent done this weeks yet but in the past i think youll typically end up with like 700-1000 nitra total

[waxen terrace]

the last rot is stingy kek

[olive tulip]

1 drop to spare was not fun

Ikr

[nocturne oracle]

in the past caves of Hoxxes we're filled with nitra to the brim, but today dwarfs are struggling to get enough just to pull through the mission

Truly the mighty hand of capitalism knows no borders

[violet sequoia]

my internet died for a few seconds before me and my team were able to complete the first stage of the regular deep dive

i feel bad for them and i wish that didn't happen
guess im doing it solo now

[hard topaz]

I'm excited to test my snowman build in an EDD with a team. I've only ever soloed them up to this point.

[still mural]

Anyone got the pin for weekly DD/EDD?

[obtuse pasture]

pin is showing correct for the EDD - see pin on this discord

[still mural]

Ahh I was looking in the wrong channel. Thx!

[obtuse pasture]

real talk cryo driller = really effective at most things. Can be a little annoying with some Elites that take forever to freeze so stage 1 might be annoying.. but stage 2 will be a cruise.. and having a driller in stage 3 means you can just drop the box to the ground and have a nice fight zone down there instead of the crap location it is in

[shell tapir]

yeah we did the EDD without a driller 😦

[obtuse pasture]

I ran it solo Engi and everything was fiiiiiine.. until I saw that box position.. platform chaos ensues

[crimson tinsel]

Missing nitra from last week ended up hidden in this week

[obtuse pasture]

true that.. i think this week is pretty easy nitra wise.. no dreads and no PE - so lots of time to clean out and collect .. and most is easily accessible. No sky nitra that i can remember

[nocturne oracle]

I had to go back because i reached the last room too fast and didn't even realize that

[crimson tinsel]

They should swap the modifiers from the DD to the EDD

[obtuse pasture]

cave leech cluster is almost a non-modifier most of the time

[nocturne oracle]

Because it works incorrectly

[crimson tinsel]

Depends on if your buddies look up or not

[nocturne oracle]

I want 5-10 leeches in every big room

just hungry for my flesh

from the start

[crimson tinsel]

Cave Leech Infestation

[obtuse pasture]

10 or less leeches feels like a non-modifier to me.. and there lies the problem. Low O2 - always, shield disruption - always, haunted/lethal etc.. but CLC .. zzzz

[outer scroll]

leech cluster when approaching big room with drilldozer full of bugs can kill you--if you did not drill ahead.
can't think of anything else.

[sinful oyster]

So how's the DD?

[crimson tinsel]

DD and EDD feel about the same difficulty this week

both have Drilldozer so they're not the quickest

[stoic ocean]

that's pretty interesting, DD so far as always felt like a cakewalk

stage 3 escort seems to be the hardest DD gets in my limited experience

what's the opinion generally on platforming the escort rocks? Is that super useful or pretty annoying? Seems like a good trick but messes with angles of fire quite a bit for folks depending on where they are

[old widget]

I think you have the sense of it. it can be both super useful and pretty annoying.

my personal /opinion/ is that it can be nice insurance on haz5 escort if your crew didn't spec well for single target burst DPS and/or you've already lost a panel, on haz4 and below just shoot gun at rocks

it's also a little tricky to do correctly as you have to set it high enough that the AoE burst from the rocks doesn't still clip the dozer

[stoic ocean]

yeah i dont personally know how to have sufficient DPS for high haz escort, just a lotta rocks haha
and so with that in mind i'll usually patform it if i'm engi

[old widget]

I've gotten to the point now where I just write off a panel on rocks and not worry about it (assuming I have a panel to write off)

phases 3/4 generally aren't that bad unless a bulk or shellbacks knock you way out of position

[fallow niche]

oh hey new deep dives, let's see what
-azure weald elite threat escort duty
...i see.

[obtuse pasture]

1 panel for rocks if the DPS is off.. 1 panel for random bullshit and the rest is just doing the job. But .. everyone needs to be on the same plan... 2 people trying to fix the dozer only to get smited by rocks and rip mission

[fallow niche]

i'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say stage 1 is, as seems to often be the case, the hardest.

the rest doesn't look that bad on paper

in any case, escort duty phase 2 is for the most part a 'you must have this much DPS to proceed without the dozer getting a chunk blown off' segment, and is largely dependent on whether your gunner is playing with his eyes open

[obtuse pasture]

for EDD!
Stage 1 = Bad and potentially super bad
Stage 2 = Total cakewalk
Stage 3 = Easy except Black Box position which is fixable

[fallow niche]

yeah that's about what i figured. at least stage 1 is haz4.5, which i imagine helps somewhat

[chrome crystal]

Void baskets be dangerous yo.

[upper geyser]

decided to do dd solo this week
Immediately after the dread on stage 1, I got a random dread encounter....

never had to worry about dying, but that was annoying

[dull aurora]

I've never had a dread from a swarm yet

[random rampart]

tiny chance to happen

had one on my 2nd mission ever lmao

[dull aurora]

Damn

must've been spoopy

[random rampart]

i had a friend teach me the basics, so not that hard lol

[mental scroll]

hows this weeks EDD compared to last?

last was ammo starving hell so id rather not do that again

[fallow niche]

seems like there's plenty, and for the most part fairly accessible

especially for solo there was far more than enough, at least for me

[leaden cypress]

Yeah it's fairly easy

[uneven mountain]

Just cleared it with a group of 4, which became 3 right before the Heartstone. We had plenty of Nitra.

[leaden cypress]

first stage can be a hassle but the other stages give so much nitra you don't have to worry about it

[vapid hinge]

dangit, was doing good until gunner went awol at the start of the last mission in EDD

[shell tapir]

during the hearthstone fight an elite mactera yoinked a teammate and brought him back to the starting area lol

[jolly hazel]

no dreads on edd

thats nice

[marble veldt]

Easily the smoothiest EDD I've done in a very long time
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/926237642192978030/cUjlkC79Is.jpg?width=1215&height=676

Elites in Stage 1 were a non issue with Sludge, IFGs and NTP

Stage 2 was a joke

Stage 3, Driller and Engi made a nice fighting ground for the Black Box while I took care of the leeches, everything went swimmingly. Bulk at the end, a bit late to the party

[hard topaz]

I know this is premature but... I just breezed through the first stage of the elite deep dive

For some reason the elite grunts kept just focusing me only so they left dotty alone

[crimson tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565850434376302613/926136060658974791/edd2.jpg

[hard topaz]

How is this person level 2k???

[gusty surge]

Just hit level 5, better tell this guy to watch out.

[old widget]

It’s not impossible, but it would be on the higher end of probable for that to be legit. Ballpark average, it takes about 2 hours per blue player level, so ~5000 hours is a fair bit.

[wraith shard]

Elite Deep Dive felt easier than the regular DD this week (both with the same group)

And last stage on EDD felt more like Swarmaggedon instead of Cave Leech Cluster

[hard topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365587661668352000/926269503153799239/unknown.png

Soloed with my snowman build. I can't believe I did it on first try

[warm trout]

mann I'm looking forward to this week's elite dive

I'm in a lakehouse with no connection rn so can't play, but I've never succeeded in elite dive before

so hopefully this is my chance

gonna get back tmr

[keen ether]

Good to know thx cause the dd this week was by far the hardest one I've soloed yet. Don't usually attempt the elites so I'll give it a go.

[crimson tinsel]

Got two OC’s I’ve been wanting this week so far. Burning Hell and Ice Spear

[jolly hazel]

burning hell is nice

edd was super ez

just bring wave clear

also yeah stage 2 is the easiest edd stage I've ever seen lol

[crimson tinsel]

I swear the EDD was equal to the DD. Past stage 1, the modifiers just didn’t want to offend us.

[fallow niche]

cave leech cluster is pretty much a free modifier as long as you remember it exists

[upbeat obsidian]

This week's EDD seemed gentle for players new to dives (or elite dives.) Even a potentially annoying set of objectives in 1 turned out to be straightforward, with both mini-mules near the end so backtracking isn't needed.

[quasi cove]

How do you rejoin a deep dive?

[past slate]

you cant

[quasi cove]

That blows

[split marlin]

black box is probably a mess without good terraforming

[red aurora]

yeah pretty much

its perched in some fuck off spot basically right next to the ceiling

[frank parrot]

what kind of way to fix it if it happens jammed refinery in mission on site refining? sorry i m stil new player in this game..

[red aurora]

I mean if I'm understanding correctly you should just go up to the leaky bit of the pipe and hold e

[placid crane]

If you dc’d I’m pretty sure there is a way back in as long as you don’t take too long

[frank parrot]

thanks

[severe tusk]

I crashed during the DD once and the EDD twice. When I restarted the game, it gave me an option to rejoin, but it did not work. I was able to rejoin via Steam by going to the profile of one of the people I was playing with and clicking to join the game. He was on my friend's list, but I have also been able to look up people I have recently played with on Steam and rejoin a game that way, although some people set their profiles a certain way to not allow that it seems. Anyway, try that if this happens to you again in the future.

[fast sluice]

is it just me or does this week's EDD go full ultraviolence on stage 3

it's pretty sleepy until you hit that and then it just seems to go mental

[wraith shard]

The cave gen on third was a bit yucky I found. I could imagine black box without someone to prep the area would have been a bit more difficult - other than that, surprisingly tame edd.

did you go in solo?

[waxen terrace]

lol a bulk spawned last minute when the black box was nearly done

[signal pawn]

Wish EDDs had 3 warnings every time 😮‍💨

[coral swan]

someone can help ? in elite deep dive

[keen ether]

Group I was with had a smart engineer while we struggled to kill everything and collect eggs he had dug the Blackbox down and capped and made himself den. Chilled in there like a mole as we collected the eggs then we joined in the cavern to actually do the Blackbox. Sat there undisturbed for the entire duration.

[crimson tinsel]

Trapdoor engie

[wraith shard]

yup, same here. Came a bit late to the party

[crimson tinsel]

The flat bit of land around the Black Box area is where we sat while the scout pulled the eggs. Before we got to the box, our bulk spawned and we led it over the bit of ground that the black box was on top of. Cleared away some land

[hard topaz]

Good luck on your deep dives, brothers and sisters!

[tall meadow]

I like how this week EDD in stage 3, the swarmers were the most annoying of the bunch than anything

[meager field]

lol I just got rekt in EDD stage 3 jn

Team comprise of 3 fresh guys (including me) and a lvl200+ vet

Got nuked by detonator in our black box bunker

[severe tusk]

Bunker hater comments in 3, 2, 1 ...

[fossil orbit]

bunkers are for little baby men

[warm ridge]

Yo, how commanding is elite dives? I had what was probably a elitist give me shit cause I wasn't 25, despite being a silver 1.

Er, demanding

And I usually never do eltie, I tried for like the first time cause cores

[fringe kettle]

The third mission is equivalent to haz 5.5.

[warm trout]

I've attempted many elite dives, always passed the first two and failed the last one

Anyone have any advice on the last stage? Cuz once I die I just never stop dying because my shield doesn't recharge fast and when revived you get a small amount of health and two grunt bites and you're done again

I tried to use the shield perk

And the vampire perk

[winged tiger]

What gun are you using?

@warm trout maybe your build isn't up to the task?

[warm trout]

yeah, I'm fairly new, and I've been almost exclusively playing scout (currently silver 1)

[winged tiger]

That might be it, he does not have great waveclear unless you build for it

[warm trout]

I use the m1000 and shotgun with more pellets overclock

what should I do for scout?

to make it better?

[winged tiger]

Any overclocks on the m1000?

[warm trout]

no

I really want the hover one

[winged tiger]

I'd say find a dedicated scout main and ask for a no OC build with versatility for waveclear

[severe tusk]

Take the Breathing Room mod for your armor to make you invulnerable for 6 seconds. Enough time to gain some distance or resupply.

[winged tiger]

^, definitely the best pick on rig's t5

or 4

[warm trout]

(looking these up rn)

got it!

thanks!

also- thoughts on which grenade to use?

I've used cyro mostly and recently tried pheromone and Idk if it's better

[severe tusk]

The M1000 is pretty solid even with no OCs. Hipster is what most people consider to be "the best" OC for it though. I have moved on to using the DRAK though for it's AoE capabilities.

[winged tiger]

Do you have the NUK?

[warm trout]

what aoe's? I tried getting used to the plasma carbine but I haven't liked it much

[severe tusk]

Cryo grenades are great. I use IFGs though, They are both really good. IFGs might benefit you if you are having trouble separating yourself from bugs on a certain stage. They slow them down, increase your damage, and you get 6 of them.

[warm trout]

I have it unlocked but I don't use it

[winged tiger]

You should try it, it's much better against crowds than boomstick

[warm trout]

ah, good point. Gonna try it next time

[severe tusk]

DRAK with the Impact Deflection OC and the Plasma Splash mod has respectable AoE. You aim and their feet and lots of bounces happen.

[warm trout]

I just always felt it satisfying to basically instantly kill a buggo(or two with the pierce-through) up close with the boomstick

[severe tusk]

Yeah, everyone has their preferences for weapon loadouts.

[warm trout]

will definitely try that though

[severe tusk]

Personally I use Hipster M1000 with Embedded Detonators Zhukovs.

The Shotgun is really fun with Special Powder though as it lets you jump away. It increases Scout's survivability, which is already good.

[warm trout]

got it! thanks a lot

[severe tusk]

No problem, good luck, and have fun 🙂

[random dust]

does anyone know if Zhukov T5 mode conductive bullets, as well as ifg's damage bonus debuff, affect the implosion damage of embedded deto OC?

since it's internal dmg, I don't know if it's considered direct dmg to benefit from them

[marble veldt]

WHO SUMMONED ME?

@random dust Nothing affects Embedded Detonators explosion damage, apart from IFGs

[finite jasper]

Also, if you are experiment-minded, I just found a nifty Verified mod for testing that: https://drg.mod.io/damage-text

[finite jasper]

It doesn't do any damage calculations, it just compares the mob's health bar from this tick to the health bar from the previous tick, so it's WYSIWYG.

[finite jasper]

I had trouble telling what difference Sticky Flames made and had been running Face Melter without using Sticky Flames at all before U35, so I'm going to put it on a spin in the future.

[wraith shard]

Anyone have any trouble with last weeks elite deep dive

That first cave was just disgusting with vertical movement

[random dust]

@marble veldt @finite jasper oh I see. tyty!

[haughty nova]

Last week's was just sinister

This week's is much easier

[astral citrus]

Bruh, fuck this week's Deep Dive for me.

First run ended in a wipe immediately into stage 2 because we had no nitra and a random dread before the actual egg dread.

Second run went tits up because the host crashed in the loading screen of stage 3.

[wraith shard]

normal or elite?

[astral citrus]

Normal.

I actually got out of the Elite literally a minute ago.

[random dust]

I have another question. tested EPC clean OC zero boost to charged shot dmg, still one shots most macteras with thin containment field haz 5 full lobby

does anyone know why this is? it's an aoe dmg so it shouldn't benefit from weak spot multiplier

even considering the damage type it shouldn't really be one shotting stuff that has 350 hp

omg just checked on karl. all this time I didn't know the TCF's dmg is 240 aoe. maybe I wasn't one shotting trijaw. gonna test some more

I guess the new question is if TCF has its own dmg, then the damage on charged shot shouldn't go in right?

because it gets detonated before landing on a target

[marble veldt]

TCF damage is fixed

Nothing affects it

[random dust]

making any damage mods on charged shot a waste if you're just gonna TCF detonate

[marble veldt]

And since it's fire damage, it obliterates Macteras

[random dust]

AOE:
Damage type: 65% Explosive / 25% Fire / 10% Disintegrate

[marble veldt]

So the baseline for TCF is 2X222

[random dust]

it's only 25% fire, 10% disintegrate is amazing but does it rly push it that far

[marble veldt]

TCF is 240 Fire damage on a 3m radius

[random dust]

ohhhhhh

[marble veldt]

Hence the insane damage on anything weak to fire

[random dust]

ty for clarification. even on karlgg it doesn't say anything about 100% fire

[marble veldt]

It does on the wiki

[random dust]

I missed that part somehow. good to know

[marble veldt]

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Experimental_Plasma_Charger#Thin_Containment_Field