deep-dive-discussion

[narrow obsidian]

i ended up using most of my revives on the dreadnought honestly

[odd comet]

Well yeah, that's the point. The devs want them to be comparable in strength to the older weapons, not just straight upgrades

[obtuse pawn]

Any1 got any suggestions on how to get through the e.d.d. cant seem to clear the first stage

[sly veldt]

I've failed EDD this week about 8 times so far on second stage, mostly public groups it's rough out here. Was so close to getting through with a group last night and it ended up being me as scout needing to survive for ~1 min after everyone died while drop pod was opening. Almost made it then got scooped by a grabber and got to watch the timer hit 0 😭

[craggy bloom]

After the black box resup try not to waste ammo for the rest of the stage to prepare for the dreadnought

[shadow shoal]

Just win

[sullen nest]

just don't get hit by bugs bro, lmao

but yeah this week is kinda rough

[sly veldt]

Trying lol

[worthy moss]

I know the feeling, I've died in the eleventh hour once or twice myself there

[feral atlas]

to be honest, past 5 attempts, I would seriously consider just giving up and trying for next week

[worthy moss]

Yeah but I want my matrix cores and my own hubris is my downfall

[feral atlas]

If you're not beating it by 3 attempts, to be blunt you probably won't make it without getting carried. And unless you have a premade, the further the week progresses the less likely that's going to happen. Especially during a sale period.

At that point, you're going the throwing shit at the wall technique. Which ends up taking far more time than its worth.

Problem is that you only need to beat the EDD once to get the relevant rewards. Meaning that the good players tend to beat it during or before the weekend in the first or second attempt, and stop queueing, so the available pool of players gets progressively worse as time passes.

[worthy moss]

I do kinda wish there was some nice encouragement to re-run them in place

[feral atlas]

You would have to pay me. The EDD format itself is boring. Why would I want to lock myself into an hour long mission with map I already know?

[worthy moss]

but at the same time, it's the same shit over and over again so maybe not

[sly veldt]

I just like it for the challenge lol. So I'm complaining but it's also what I want to do so it's all good

[hybrid goblet]

depends entirely on why you're failing; a lot of the issues with the second stage for this week's EDD is that it demands a level of coordination beyond what you typically see in pubs

if it feels like you're firing on all cylinders and you can't identify what's going wrong, then I agree with you about not making more than a handful of attempts

[sly veldt]

Yeah in my fails there's a lot I can do better but ultimately it's lack of coordination on high priority targets, like in stage 2 killing the breeder asap is important, and getting rid of all the spitballers and clearing the cave in general asap

Getting a lot of very new players in the EDDs so it's a steep learning curve. I try to help lol

Someone yesterday started the mission and was like why do these bugs hit so hard

[feral atlas]

Generally speaking, this is how I see it:
-If you fail stage 1, unless it was a literal freak accident you gotta reassess if you can handle the rest of the EDD if you're stumbling at the first step
-The first time you fail it should be at stage 2 at worst, and you should have a good idea of why you failed stage 2
-Second time you fail, it should be at stage 3, and same applies, you should know what's killing you by this point
-By the third fail, you should, theoretically, have a coherent plan
-Past that, there is something inadequate on some level regarding on a basic mechanics, deathmatch, or equipment quality. At this point, the strategy basically boils down to trying it enough times hoping for a miracle, or mulliganning the team enough times.

Coordination realistically helps, but is not essential if you get good enough on engi or gunner, and to an extent driller.

[obtuse elm]

Same, I rerun sometimes because I enjoy carrying. Bad situation mitigation is my specialty 😄

[feral atlas]

Scout's the only one where there are legit situations in EDD where you can do nothing.

Or Haz5 in general.

Since he sucks so terribly in static defense without assistance.

[hybrid goblet]

but a large part of the game's longevity comes from how big a factor the RNG can be, beyond just what's on paper; there are plenty of times when, even without modifiers, a haz4 or even a haz3 can feel more difficult than a haz5 due to a particular series of spawns, cave layout, or some other bit

[feral atlas]

If you're newer, sure. But at some point, you should become good enough that the RNG simply doesn't matter.

[leaden cypress]

until the game just wanna give you apocalypse & summon 7 spitballers, 3 breeders & 2 menaces in the starting room

[sleek quest]

At the cave mouth opening into the second stage's big room, set up turret(s), have gunner throw down shield (max duration), have everyone inside and focusing one-by-one on the brood nexuses and spitballers, fall back into the tunnel after shield ends or for any hordes, rinse and repeat

[sly veldt]

yeah playing primarily as scout the only way I can carry is by explaining the sweaty strats to everyone and hoping they can implement them, while keeping the rooms lit, the high priority targets dead and/or away from everyone, and reviving people

But there are a lot of moments where I just have to watch while kiting and doing my best smh

It's a team game tho so it is what it is, as long as the newer players learn something it's not the worst experience

[sleek quest]

yeah, i generally try to be chill and encourage learning without being too pushy

my one and only go on this EDD, i had to gently remind our engy to put up their turrets and plug the resup holes

[sage ravine]

I'm new, why do you plug resupply holes?

[sinful bison]

It’s another place bugs can spawn from and another angle where they can attack you from. Especially bad if spitters spawn there

[hollow iris]

Oh good the non-dropping shield bug

Very glad that happened in EDD stage 2

[hushed sequoia]

seems like its a visual bug and you dont actually have any shields

that happened to me and i was just running around with an empty shield generator in my hand waiting for it to recharge

then i wasted a shield after i resupplied because i thought it just wasnt working

[hollow iris]

No it wasn't letting him place it down; its a bug that's existed for at least a year now

He had to go down before it worked again

Minutes later

[hushed sequoia]

it said i had 4 shield charges and it was showing the icon on the right fully white but i couldnt place anything until i resupplied

[hollow iris]

He hadnt used any that map yet

[chilly obsidian]

Bugs crawl down the tubes. That can be bad in certain situations

[thorny geyser]

Scout carry on EDD, again. Good scout makes everything so much easier.

[zealous coral]

Weekly reset hasn't happened yet right?

[next pebble]

Thursday

[tacit ravine]

i experienced real pain, host quit after stage 2

[hollow juniper]

Hello there. Almost never played deep dive (only 2 time with friends), it's "ok" in pickup or really hard to find good team ? ,(sorry for potato English)

[shadow shoal]

Heh, potato

[next pebble]

You'll have better luck finding randoms to join your lobby on the first four days of a deep dive's release, so Thursday-Sunday, but you can always try placing an invite link in here for your deep dive lobby when you're ready

[shadow shoal]

Tater

Tater why must you hurt me so

[shadow shoal]

Like Tater said, normally if you place an invite for a deep dive in #lfg-steam, you’ll get a team. But the quality of teammates does tend to decrease towards the end of each weekly cycle

[hollow juniper]

I'm need the deep dive only for the empty overclock for skin/emote/overclock, and i'm scared about my english for going in vocal with some of people here 😄

[shadow shoal]

Feel free to state no VC. You can also check out #fan-communities which has DRG enthusiasts of many different languages and areas

[hollow juniper]

Yep thanks, I've already joined my community, but it's 3:30 in the morning here, so I won't find many answers to my questions there 😄

[shadow shoal]

Fair enough, been there before

[hollow juniper]

The deep dives are 3 "basic" missions in a row or they are necessarily more complicated than the simple missions?

I've only done 2 so far, I'm still a novice in this, I'm a bit afraid to get into it, but I'm in dire need of skin, it's the kind of thing that totally motivates me (I want a nice beard !) and I'm running out of empty overclock (I don't know the name in English).

[shadow shoal]

3 missions in a row, with 2 primary mission types per level. the secondary type is normally trimmed down in some way, such as only needing to kill one dreadnaught.

[hollow juniper]

And what's the difficulty? 4 and 5 for elite ? Or something else?

[hybrid goblet]

I think it's 4.5-5.5 for the EDD, and something like 3-3.5 for the regular (the difficulty takes small jumps between each mission)

minerals also carry over between missions

[shadow shoal]

EDD goes 4.5-5-5.5

[hybrid goblet]

though you'll only see gold and nitra under most circumstances (no crafting materials or compressed gold)

[shadow shoal]

DD goes 3-3.5-3.5

[hybrid goblet]

thanks for the catch

[shadow shoal]

totally didn't have to pull up the wiki to remember

[hybrid goblet]

I knew it started in the 3ish range

😄

[hollow juniper]

It looks easier than I thought (for the non-elite), I often play on difficulty 4 without worries

[hybrid goblet]

yea, then the DD should be easy for you with random people

[hollow juniper]

Good 🙂

[hybrid goblet]

I'd definitely recommend having access to voice/comms for this week's EDD if you end up trying that, though

the second mission definitely requires more coordination than usual

[hollow juniper]

Because DD and EDD are not always open ?

(And i'm not gonna start today with the EDD 😄 )

[hybrid goblet]

what do you mean by "not always open?"

[hollow juniper]

We can't farm them ?

[jaunty crag]

edd is pure hell

[hybrid goblet]

ah; you only get the rewards once per week for each

[shadow shoal]

you get rewards from each dd once per week

[jaunty crag]

at least this week's edd

[hollow juniper]

Because you spoke about some days of the week

[hybrid goblet]

they get reset every Thursday

[shadow shoal]

every Thursday the dives reset and you can get rewards again

[hollow juniper]

Oh so only 1 time each of them (DD/EDD) per week we can play ?

[hybrid goblet]

you can play them more often for practice/etc, but you won't get more cores/overclocks/cosmetics and the amount of gold and experience you get isn't great relative to running normal missions

[hollow juniper]

Ok thanks !

[hybrid goblet]

np

[hollow juniper]

So at least i should get one time each of them before thursday

[hybrid goblet]

ideally; and the rewards always follow the same pattern: blank core for the first mission, overclock for the second, cosmetic for the third

[hollow juniper]

Ok, sound interesting

[west merlin]

Yeah IME Haz 4 is drastically harder than a regular DD, like surprisingly so

Although the fact that my friends and I are always playing our mains/promoted classes on DDs may affect that

[west merlin]

Yeah there are 3 things that reset every Thursday: the two deep dives and the weekly core hunt (not counting weekly priority for crafting minerals) each of which gives rewards in the same pattern Ashery described

I'd do the DD and weekly core hunt and then if you have time try the EDD

[hollow juniper]

I was a main driller, but the last new weapon give me a bad taste vs what other offer, so i'm on the limit to pass scout in main, love the plasma gun and the gamepaly more nervous than other 😄

[west merlin]

I'd recommend trying the other classes anyway just for fun and to learn about the game

You've got to play a promoted class for DDs so play Driller for those and play the other 3 for regular missions, or perhaps pick a second main for regular missions to promote one at a time

[shrewd bane]

Play all classes and see how each has an impact on your main, if you still want to only have a main.

[hollow juniper]

I try to touch a little bit on everything even though my gunner and engineer sound pretty low lvl, but I really have the driller and scout in mind for gameplay. Maybe the engineer next (to be mounted and unlocked weapons to see further) but already I know that the gunner gameplay is the one I like the least. Yet I love big weapons 😄 but I find its gameplay really flat/stiff compared to the others

My driller is on his second bronze stars, and i just got my first scout star ~1h ago

[alpine mauve]

playing other classes helps you understand what they can and cannot do, makes it easier when playing with people that main that class

[hollow juniper]

I think I already have a pretty good grasp of this, the little I've played engineer I've already prepared some platforms as soon as possible for the scout since I like his gameplay and I know what he needs, I'm not going to leave the other classes aside, at least give them a first promotion with time, but for now I already have 2 classes that seem much more fun than the others ^^

[alpine mauve]

there is a lot more you can do with platforms, but I get your point

[hollow juniper]

The only sad thing about having classes that don't interest me (gameplay-wise, and personal opinion-wise of course) is when I drop skins for them 😄

[hollow juniper]

Yes, bridges, or blocking some passages

[west merlin]

I used to not like the Gunner until I got the Autocannon, like the way it fires better
All of them took awhile to grow on me really

[wanton stratus]

I don't know how I feel about the autocannon tbh, even with carpet bomb. Shreds swarms but the minigun is just so good

[naive bobcat]

Have you tried to the hurricane?

[vale falcon]

Just don’t use it then lol

[wanton stratus]

Love the hurricane so far, yet to get any overclocks

[jade shell]

I've never done an elite deep dive

how hard are they compared to the normal ones?

[naive bobcat]

Much harder, you should be able to clear Haz 4 missions with ease before doing edd

[valid phoenix]

deep dives are haz 3, - 3.5, then 3.5. edd goes 4.5, 5, 5.5.

[jade shell]

H4 is not that hard as long as the dwarves play as a team

[wanton stratus]

Imagine doing shield disruption with volatile guts, while needing to kill a dreadnought, and realizing you still have 2 more missions to do

[jade shell]

5.5 huh?

that's not even close to H4 then

[naive bobcat]

As in you should be able to solo/carry a h4 mission

[jade shell]

what you're telling me is I'm just gonna get kicked automatically when they see I've only promoted once or twice 😦

before I can even try

[naive bobcat]

I've failed this week edd with greenbeards 5 times so far

[hushed sequoia]

depends on who the host is

[naive bobcat]

Most of us don't mind greenbeards if they listen to advice

[wanton stratus]

I wouldn't kick yeah, but im also super lenient

[jade shell]

I would understand kicking somebody for EDD but some do so even in h3-4

[naive bobcat]

Now that's just mean

[hollow juniper]

Pretty like it, better feeling than the minigun. But i have almost 0 nice overclock for my main's guns

For now at least..

[deft patrol]

Is there a link to the details on this week's EDD?

[hoary basalt]

pinned message

[deft patrol]

Thanks, didn't even know that was a thing.

[copper oasis]

what are the elite deep dive stages?

[feral atlas]

read pins

[copper oasis]

sorry they arent showing up on mobile

[feral atlas]

they're there

swipe left and you will see them

or it might be right

[copper oasis]

I had to close the app and reopen it. they are they now, it was just the app I guess

[topaz kiln]

This weeks EDD is one of those nightmare EDDs, very satisfying though to finish!

[worthy moss]

https://chibi.blatant-lizardry.moe/vtcev0x9cvh4.png

fuck

finally

a overclock for my cryo gun

and I cleared the second mission in a party of 2

200 morkite and 2 alien eggs sounds simple enough...

[topaz kiln]

Grats! Good luck!

[woven anvil]

FUCK THIS ELITE DEEP DIVE

30 SECONDS TILL 2ND STAGE COMPLETED

AND FUCK QRONARS THEY ARE THE LITERAL WORST IDEA EVER

[novel ore]

nah its good

its an edd its supposed to be hard

[wraith shard]

you don't like pinball?

[opal burrow]

Went in blind, at the 2nd stage I was like "should've brought hyper propellant"
Then 3rd stage came and I thought "HYPER PROPELLANT"
Still, pretty easy deep dive apart from the non-stop onslaught of mactera during the 2nd stage

[hearty harness]

I just completed a normal dd and didn't get any of the overclocks. The host left as soon as we got back to the station so I have no idea if that might have caused it.

[leaden cypress]

You should still have overclocks

[hearty harness]

Nevermind, I'm silly. I just read that the rewards are once a week. :p

I saw I got a blank matrix core so I thought I got the rewards as normal, but I wasn't entirely paying attention. I got a connection error because the host left and didn't get it, so it freaked me out.

[worldly raft]

Just cos I ain’t yet done one, are the overclock rewards for a deep dive random? Or do you get to choose which weapon they go towards at the end?

[supple quarry]

Random

[odd rover]

I'll have to retry EDD tomorrow, would have had it if I didn't waste my revives.

How is stage 3? Looked easy at a glance, but...

[dreamy python]

hey guys, for EDD stage 2, if we do the mini-mules first, what happens? droppods lands n we fly off, thus not clearing dread, thus failing?

[sharp tide]

You cant start the uplink without dread iirc

[dreamy python]

thanks

[brisk pine]

i believe deep dives need all objectives cleared before starting the extraction process

[supple quarry]

Yup, you can't initiate the final objective that will call the pod if the secondary objective is not done

[pine nexus]

Are people doing the dread in that small room? Or would you clear the bigger room first and then lure it to the big room?

[supple quarry]

We did it it the room the egg was. Just go where you feel the most comfortable tbh

[low flax]

We're having trouble with EDD 2nd stage dreadnought. Having PTSD now lol.

[old widget]

I'd clear the big room then come back to the dread if your team is not confident. At a minimum, you don't waste time / ammo fighting the dread when the bigger challenge is the chamber (where you might wipe anyway)

[supple quarry]

Try to identify what's making you fail
Maybe the player targeted by the dread is not respecting enough and try to fight back when he should mainly focus on kiting the boss so the others can safely shoot the weakpoints
Maybe the environment is killing you by blocking your movements, and so you should take time to clear the roots, rocks crystal whatever is being an obstacle
Maybe that's the opposite and you fight in a giant empty room where you have nowhere to hide in case you're targeted by the fireballs

Make the most of the classes you have with you, the driller should make sure the room is safe to navigate in, maybe even create some loop in the walls in case someone needs to escape
Gunner should put ziplines downward as much as possible to give the team fast escape
Engineer should not sleep on his platforms to make sure you can climb without struggling during the fight, or patch any little hole in the ground
Scout schould keep everything bright as daylight

In general try to keep the boss pinged, so everyone even through walls can see where the boss is and what he is doing ...

There is a ton of things that could be done right, try to spot what makes you fail

[prisma dune]

Random but at least you dont get copies of them

[fierce pecan]

has there been a deep dive with the new mission type yet?

[feral atlas]

no

helllll no

[fierce pecan]

imagine an escort/sabotage

[burnt sandal]

I don't think that's possible.

[fierce pecan]

its not?

[burnt sandal]

no

It hasn't been integrated to deep dives

yet

[fierce pecan]

thats a shame

honestly i kinda wish we got to manually plant explosives on the power station

[sullen nest]

I hope we get more seasonal bosses like the caretaker
Then someday someone can make a modded elite deep dive that's only those missions

[fierce pecan]

[grave cairn]

Out of curiosity when do the deepdives change? Like what day do they switch to a new one?

[burnt sandal]

every thursday

[grave cairn]

ty

[brisk pine]

i wouldn't mind a regular deep dive with sabotage

but i don't think EDD would be fun with sabotage part

[forest temple]

You could have a hack as a secondary similar to a random black box.

[hoary cove]

devs mentioned in a stream they wudnt mind doing that once this season ends maybe

[wraith shard]

That would be nice

[thorny spoke]

can someone help me with edd

[quaint flame]

edd stage 2 is insane dudes

[manic meadow]

People playing this on a 32:9 super ultrawide display: what's your FOV set to? Mine is so warped and magnified around the sides

[old widget]

I don’t run UW, but there’s a mod that enables a different rendering perspective in Unreal Engine that’s designed to fix that

Search for Panini Projection on mod.io

[shadow shoal]

Smh mod links in my private minecraft christian server

[wraith shard]

So I’ve got a friend who’s a returning lad looking to do the EDD, I need to know what makes the second floor so spicy

Specifically the second floor

I’m a whitebeard and can handle anything but he needs to know

[sleek robin]

are there any specific tips of what to do or waht mission to pick (besides mineral mainia) if i wanna farm minerals

[pure arch]

found out going near a minimule leg starts a swarm today from that EDD

[pure arch]

cannot help you there, on my downtime i do missions that I know ill need its materials in the future tho

[odd comet]

Going near the mini-mule itself for the first time starts a large unannounced swarm after a short delay. In addition, one of the four legs associated with a mule will also spawn a smaller unannounced swarm when mined.

Fun fact: These swarms can stack, so if you have a team that doesn't know what's up and starts mining legs and getting close to multiple mules simultaneously, you can have quite the swarm spawn on you.

[wooden solar]

Tried doing my first EDD this week. Easily the worst mistake of my life, I'm just gonna wait till next week to get my EDD achievement, that second floor is impossible with randoms.

[severe tusk]

I get to make my solo attempt at the EDD tomorrow on my potato-quality travelling laptop.

[twilit sentinel]

I’m scared for the day we get a caretaker in EDD

So many people still have no idea what they’re doin

[cosmic epoch]

? but you zare just shppting the shiny bits and taking out robo tenticles

[ancient arrow]

Mood

[hoary basalt]

do you guys have strategies for fighting dreads solo?

im thinking of trying to do a deep dive solo for the first time

[alpine gale]

depends on what class you're gonna use, it may differ

[hoary basalt]

likely scout or gunner

i doubt im good enough to play as driller or engi solo

[severe tusk]

Engi is pretty easy to fight them with since he has turrets and proximity mines. Also Breach Cutter, so you don't have to get behind them to find their weak spots when their armor is down. Vs. Twins just keep your distance from the Lacerator and try to make sure you spread the damage on them fairly evenly so they don't share health. Although you can force them to share health to buy time for you to resupply for ammo and health if you are low.

[hoary basalt]

i never thought of intentional health share to buy time

thanks

[severe tusk]

Vs. the OG dread, just be sure to keep like 7.5 meters away whenever possible so that his AoE ground slam doesn't wreck you.

[alpine gale]

imo for scout, the double barrel shotgun is highly efficient boss killer but you need to get close and hit dreads weakpoint in order to make your shots effective.
for gunners, I'd prefer minigun than auto-cannon because I feel that minigun deals more damage to dreads than autocannon. you can try the rocket too if you want

[severe tusk]

Also make Bosco damage focused, obviously.

And use his rockets if you're comfortable doing that.

[alpine gale]

the good thing about rockets is that you can hit the dread weakpoint that is located on its back by aiming up, then quickly aim down to make the rockets go straight down to their weakpoint

[hoary basalt]

thanks

dreads are the one enemy i struggle fighting especially solo

[alpine gale]

especially the twins and hiveguard, it's troublesome

[severe tusk]

With Gunner, using Dash should help a lot to get behind them when you need to or to kite away from an attack.

[alpine gale]

Never get too close to twins

[severe tusk]

Arbalest especially can one shot you with its "shotgun" spread shot if you're close to it.

IFGs on scout are really good vs. dreads too.

I'm not sure which OCs you use or have access to, but some weapon loadouts are really good at dealing with dreads--others, not so much.

[hoary basalt]

i have most overclocks for all of the original weapons

new ones not so much

[severe tusk]

If you're Gunner you probably want Big Bertha if using the autocannon to deal with dreads, otherwise use the minigun. If you happen to have the Jet Fuel Homebrew OC for the Hurricane, it absolutely chunks dreads.

[crude radish]

Just finished the EDD, went great. The secret is cryo driller and methodical clearing without letting anyone get too far away.

Oh and on second mission do Dread last

[alpine gale]

1 person goes too far away is the start of the chaos in EDD

[severe tusk]

If Scout, Embedded Detonators with IFGs deals with dreads quite handily. M1000 with Hipster, should be able to handle everything else.

[alpine gale]

even in regular Haz4/Haz5, when a person goes ungabunga further without waiting for teammate, it's like preparing for doom lol

[restive haven]

has anyone soloed edd with scout :? how do you deal with the salvage mission

im guessing jump around to group the bugs and then ice with a bunch of resupplies ?

[zinc coral]

yep. there's even several videos out there of people doing it with no bosco. salvage/black box/escort missions will just be generally harder for a solo scout. lots of different builds/setups that work (IFGs, cryo nades, cryo minelets, hipster, fear mod, boomstick blowthrough, etc etc...). Doesn't really matter what you use as long as you're comfortable with your setup, but it's basically just a matter of just killing things fast. Scout has a harder time recovering an overwhelmed salvage defense compared to other classes, so it is what it is lol just gotta kill things fast and utilize whatever setup you use to its fullest

but yes you should be constantly jumping as it increases your chance of dodging enemy attacks

[thin shard]

HI

[strong bear]

Almost did the EDD, would've finished it if it weren't for the bulk detonator randomly showing up in the escape path on level 3.

Cryodriller def helped clear stage 2 well. our team also just did the boss immediately, so dunno if order is super important

[chilly bluff]

hi
is the thunderhead good? what's it good for/what are good builds for it?
same with the scout plasma carbine

[thorny kernel]

just solo'd the edd, its a really fun one this week

[thorny kernel]

do you have any overclocks for either of those guns?

[novel ore]

i mean the autocannon is good even without OCs

drak, well not so much

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[hearty kettle]

plasma carbine is good if you have overclock which overheats it faster but regains ammo on overheat. It gives you really really great ammo management. Overall tho I don't think its better than M1000 that weapon is imo just perfect for scout.

[violet oasis]

thunderhead is good for AoE

like, really good

almost s good as being driller

I forgot to reply to the post asking. bruh

[obtuse pasture]

I solo DD and EDD every week with driller or engi .. engi if dreads (fighting dreads with driller sucks). I like engi on solo DD for the awareness the sentries give so you don't get jumped and overwhelmed while mining nitra etc

I usually then attempt them solo no bosco.. that is a different story .. mostly time to get nitra and resource/ammo expended in the process.. DD is usually doable EDD can be ROUGH.. and solo doretta on a EDD with no bosco is just horrific (last week stage 2 EDD)

[naive sparrow]

I am just using AI Deepcore and can't get into using M1000, feel underwhelming after using Deepcore AI, but in the other hand so does DRAK, so this one might be on me. Being able to snipe far targets, enough firepower for pretorians / opressors with pretty good rpm for general trash on hordes seems just too pass.

[hearty kettle]

Im using cryo nades with M1000 but Deepcore when playing solo. When im playing with the boys we have driller and engi/gunner or both so we dont need more DPS and burst of M1000 is great for all the annoying stuff like Tri Jaws spitters of all kind goo bombers and so on. But I do agree Deepcore is better for solo. DRAK just doesnt do it for me honestly, really low damage with fast fire rate is okaybut it burns through ammo unbelievably quickly and you dont really have enough fire power to take anything lol.

[naive sparrow]

I have drak with Shield Battery Booster and this is HOT GARBAGE like jesus christ how can weapon be so bad lol.

[hearty kettle]

Oh yea that just sounds unfun lol

Especially that DRAK has sound for overheat on like

50%

Not like minigun on 70 something or more i guess

Or drills with literall % number shown all the time

[naive sparrow]

It cools down so unbelieveably slow. There could be an idea about cool interaction with Gunner shield, but there is none. I'd rather have weapon that burns trough my shield before heating / using ammo or something like that over this what we have now.

[burnt sandal]

I mean the OC just gives you nothing if you took damage outside of some ammo. I wouldn't call it garbage

[wraith shard]

So do Deep dives reset after a time once you do one or just a certain day?

[burnt sandal]

every thursday

[wraith shard]

Ok so Same as assignments for matrix core Hunt, thanks

[burnt sandal]

yep

[hearty kettle]

Also every Scout main on here I want to ask you something.

When were your shields full last time?
This OC basically needs it to work and come on i dont even mean bugs taking tjem down but ourselves.
Imagine that you twist your ankle from grapling hook and your OC is useless

[burnt sandal]

It does take some effort to play around that OC obviously

it's definitely not the best OC for the drak though

[hearty kettle]

What are others?

Bouncing bullets are okayish when yoy learn how to use them

But are basically useless against flying enemies

Also i dont think bouncing bullets take care of low dmg issue

[burnt sandal]

Bouncy plasma is free 30% damage with no downsides against anything that's not flying

[hearty kettle]

yea but as i said

i dont think it takes care of low damage issue

and flying enemies are imo big deal if we are talking about scout whos best at dealing with specials imo so trijaws grabbers and goo bombers just ignore DRAK lol

[obtuse pasture]

I have been KILLING it with SBB

[burnt sandal]

"low damage issue" ?

[hearty kettle]

DRAK bullets are nerf darts

I really feel like Deepcore has more DPS even with lower rof and M1000 has waaay more burst

[obtuse pasture]

SBB has higher dps and effective range than max damage GK2 with OFM

[burnt sandal]

Can't relate, sorry. I find the DRAK pretty good personally, especially for dealing with grunts and the like.

[hearty kettle]

Thats just difference in opinion

[burnt sandal]

I guess if you want more damage, you can always use one of the 3 unstable.

[burnt sandal]

yep

[hearty kettle]

i dont find it really bad just not good enough

[obtuse pasture]

At this point I am comfortable running DRAK with SBB in anything except shield disruption

[burnt sandal]

I like SBB personally

it's pretty fun to use

[obtuse pasture]

And if you using shield link and special powder.. as long as you don't do really dumb stuff.. you seldom have any issues.. when SBB is up it is crazy strong and my uptime on it is really high..

Made me a better scout for sure

[burnt sandal]

I don't use shield link or SP, I just play as safe as possible instead

and I choose my moment to attempt dangerous hook shots

[obtuse pasture]

playstyle diff.. I like extremely risky hook shots.. SP lets you play like a mad man..

[naive sparrow]

SBB?

[obtuse pasture]

that and at some point I got good at using SP for lateral reposition.. jump look left/right at pack of grunt.. tap and reposition. -

[obtuse pasture]

Shield Battery Booster OC

[naive sparrow]

Ah thanks

[obtuse pasture]

VERY unstable OC.. big upsides .. big downsides

[naive sparrow]

Ye that's the one that doesnt work for me at all

Deepcore AI gang

[obtuse pasture]

I advise running SBB - 21212 (give it a bit more time before dismissing it).. during experimental I called it the worst OC in the game.. now it is my go to on the DRAK until the game blesses me with Aggressive Venting OC

[naive sparrow]

Tier 5 doesnt fit into this OC at all, Manual Heat is "i feel like not having a shield at this moment" and Thermal is "yeah I'd like not having a shield in 1 second"

I know its playing around heat without overheating but holy shit this weapon cools down SO SLOW

Feels like I'm using zhukov more than Drak with this setup

[obtuse pasture]

I don't run zhuks with SBB personally i find it unecessary.. with SBB i want things OFF ME NOW.. so I can get my shield moving.. so I run cryo nades and SP boomstick with blowthrough and only 1 ammo mod

[burnt sandal]

The cooling isn't slow at all though

and you can make it even faster

[obtuse pasture]

just do NOT overhead with SBB unless your plan is to DUMP and zip out.. for an essential HVT kill. It takes 2.5ish seconds to cooldown completely from near max heat.. if you overheat it takes way longer. With SBB you can burst our ice cold to overheat in 2.5s so caution advised

[wraith shard]

Week 5 off no good cores

[tame dagger]

its been a while since i last played a lot of drg. ive noticed in the deep dives that you generally get refills going to new stages, but i dont think it was always like that was it? and sometimes not every dwarf gets a refill. so what are the mechanics behind this exactly?

i could very possibly be making up the fact that you used to not get refills during stage transitions

but im still curious why sometimes a dwarf just doesnt get a refill lol

[burnt sandal]

it's bugged

you're not supposed to get refills at all

[tame dagger]

okay, interesting

i figured that was a feature added at some point

thanks for the response

[naive sparrow]

Its just a host and for the everyone else hp and ammo in the weapon you are holding currently that stays the same - everything else resets

[fading fjord]

lost stage 2 EDD thanks to 2 russians who wouldnt communicate, and they were not nearly experienced enough. russian Gunner is doing the carnal sin, camping zipline and not using his shields, russian engie unfortunately brought stickies to shield disruption and placed them all around the black box. yay..

[wraith shard]

I am a bit lost in the deep dive reward system. I just played 2 deep dives, only got rewards for the first one, do I get rewards if I now play the deep dive elite?

and when can I do the normal deep dive again to get a reward

[fading fjord]

you get a reward every time you clear a deep dive stage for the first time, so if you beat stage 1 and 2, died on 3, you got 2 rewards for stage 1 and 2, and you gotta try again and win stage 3 to get third reward. then you wait til next weeks dives to get more

[wraith shard]

ah oke, so deep dives are on a weekly reset

the reward atleast

[fading fjord]

indeed, every thursday

[wraith shard]

thanks ❤️

[fading fjord]

new dives, new rewards

[dreamy dragon]

Elite deep dive is separate. You basically can get up to 3 more rewards for beating the harder deep dive as well.

[wraith shard]

cool, thanks 🙂

[main lake]

the stage 2 of this elite deep dive is tough!

[valid mural]

i tought the deep dive caves where unique? how does is come stages are now different? i tried the elite this morning, and now im trying it again and the maps are different? same objectives and mutators tho

[burnt sandal]

Different map ? As in, different biome ?

[valid mural]

no, its same biome, same objectives, same mutators, but the cave itself is different

see in stage 2 of the elite dive, there was a cocoon in the first room, now it isnt there anymore, and the room itself is way bigger

[thorny geyser]

Most people choose to fight dreadnought in the first cave, which is a mistake.

[hasty kite]

I hate this EDD

First time we fought it room 1, got owned.

Second time the cave Gen was different. After some intense clutch plays we actually made it, somehow (despite our scout leaving)

Did the fuel cell etc etc and we died as the drop pod doors opened. Spit in my damn face lmao

[untold siren]

honestly just feels like stage 2 requires so much coordination (maybe it should be the normal or it is when you have a premade party) that I don't see me succeeding with randoms

[hasty kite]

I damn near did it with two very competent randoms. It was epic. We just slipped up at the very end sadly

[untold siren]

not that I played that well but to be very fair I prefer scout and all 5 attempts I was forced into playing gunner or driller (I do know them and play them almost as much but scout is the one I have affinity for)

[hasty kite]

Volatile guts plus shield disruption is just so damn annoying

[hushed sequoia]

maybe if you have thermal exhaust feedback on drak try that

[untold siren]

yeah the problem is we were about to win it several times but we die every time at the drop pod section because of bowling strikes of the qronars

[hushed sequoia]

it works good for the spitballers in the first room

[hasty kite]

I think I’m gonna have to accept that I won’t get my EDD weapon OC

[hushed sequoia]

make trenches with the drills too

infront of that cave with the uplink

[untold siren]

I think last attempt we lost when a qronar literally bumped into both the last teammates at once and killed both like that lmao

[hushed sequoia]

all the qronars will get stuck there then

[hasty kite]

Terkaza that sounds like exactly what happened to me

Me and one teammate got killed by a youngling, it was brutal

I was gunner using rockets

[untold siren]

oh yeah you know what actually was difficult during these attempts and that I don't see poeple talking about? the massive amount of wardens (and I guess the problem of scouts not killing them fast enough)

there was literally one or two every single wave or swarm

[hasty kite]

Those were annoying

I think in my last attempt of that scout hadn’t abandoned us we would have won

[untold siren]

but yeah I probably can't do it either by lack of high level skill or optimized build orf lack of party

[hasty kite]

Someone had to divert needed attention to deal w the acid spitters and wardens

[untold siren]

I'll just wait tomorrow

[hasty kite]

Ye

I’m gonna do the normal DD now

Should be a breeze by comparison

[main lake]

Yeah thats what I tried.. I think ill have to pass this week, playing with randos can be tough sometimes haha

[hushed sequoia]

well ive also heard that going near mini mules spawns mini swarms

so if all of your team goes to all of the mules itll spawn a lot of swarms

[untold siren]

it does yeah both that and one of the legs when dug up at random

I just wish I had gotten the chance to play scout lol

gunner is probably my least liked role just because of the absent mobility

also fire forces the q'ronars to open right? I was sure it was true but it didn't seem to always work

fuck it I'm trying solo scout a single time I have nothing to lose

[worn pond]

yup, stage 2 EDD is a god damn hellscape

[old widget]

No, they open on their own timer. They will happily roll around in a full burning state (same with frozen)

[untold siren]

ah shit

managed to beat stage 1 solo scout

cave gen did change so that threw me off

black box defense with scout is an absolutely terrible experience combined with exploders infestation and 3 oppressors

[zealous coral]

in how many hours is the weekly reset?

[severe tusk]

About 16 hours from now.

[austere scaffold]

did cavegen change because of a hotfix?

[old widget]

It has happened in the past that patches end up slightly tweaking the cavegen for deep dives. Previous examples I’ve seen are relatively small things like the locations of secondary objectives changing (eggs in new spots, black box in a different chamber, etc)

I’ve never seen just an outright whole new cave from a patch before though

The patch notes did mention changes to the cavegen algorithm though (extra passes at the end of cavegen to remove floating things or something similar) so usually anytime that code gets touched we see some kind of glitch in the matrix

[untold siren]

i did it

[urban stratus]

Managed to beat it as a team of two today after 3 failed attempts
The trick was to just take everything slow as heck I guess. Also we spammed resupplies like no tomorrow and cleaned every nitra out of the main room. Due to shield disruption I would resupply every so often just to top off health. My friend I daresay was too stingy with resupplying and worried we wouldn't have enough for stage 3. (Stage 3 was very easy compared to 2.) He ended up dying to chip damage quite a bit
Also do not fight the dread in the starting room it's too small

[burnt sandal]

possible

[crimson pine]

we just got a Dark morkite beer and powered thru.

rock and stooooooooooone!

[leaden hill]

Should I bother doing EDDs with randoms or is it better to just try and premake groups for those?

Have some couple hundred hours in the game, have done some HAZ5's with some success, but haven't really bothered to try EDDs yet since it sounded like a pain with uncoordinated teams.

[hot gazelle]

I've only ever done EDDs with randoms and I have a pretty good success rate

Teams doing EDDs tend to be a bit more coordinated than the ones you get by picking random missions from the Hoxxes map

[old widget]

The biggest tip for playing with randoms for EDD is to get your runs in shortly after the refresh hits (Thurs/Fri). Once you get past the weekend, you get a lot of dwarves that have tried and failed over and over again.

(Which is understandable and OK — EDDs are literally the hardest content in the vanilla game — but if you’re looking to join a random public EDD team and succeed on the first try, your chances go down as the dives age)

[brisk pine]

maybe i'm just unlucky but i haven't found random EDDs shortly after reset

i found some during the weekend but i didn't try to join

and i need matrix cores, cause i'm out of blank ones

[near raven]

How come I'm unable to join most deep dive groups? are there some kind of entry restrictions for newer players>?

[keen cliff]

I'm too scared to join random EDD's, and my usual group tried one last week or the one before, failed miserably and now they dont seem to want to try agani

might be that they started already, you cant join DD's mid-game

[near raven]

ah ok, does it still show them in the server list while they're in progress?

[keen cliff]

tbh, I never checked, but I assume they do

because I also have tons of greyed out groups

[old widget]

Can’t join in progress dives, even if there are open slots. But they still show up in the list as greyed out.

[proven stirrup]

is there a posibility that the EDD changed now?

It feels like a different seed with the same Missions

[quiet mortar]

They altered carving code, so entirely likely!

[feral atlas]

Updates tend to refresh the seed, but I haven't go in and actually confirmed that though.

[feral atlas]

I do not recommend pubbing EDD after the weekend unless you are both able and comfortable with solo carrying.

It is a recipe for madness.

[proven stirrup]

aww maaan, wanted to show a friend the fun of Level 2 before it resets, thanks for the Info tho

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[hot gazelle]

Elite bulk detonator on Escort. RIP.

[leaden cypress]

There was no escort on this week's deep dives though

[hot gazelle]

...wrong channel, sorry!

[junior tangle]

that explains my 5 losses in a row

[indigo moth]

That explains why i experienced hell just now

Did they bloody up the spawns or someone for this EDD? I might be a bit rusty, but i think that's been the hardest EDD iv been through.

[chilly bluff]

@hearty kettle @violet oasis
agreed i use deepcore for regular missions when soloing/with randos but for DDs I think I should M1000, haven't used it in literally a year+ so I should practice it again
i'll lay off the plasma rifle until i get overclocks, and yeah I specced the autocannon for AOE but no OCs, wasn't sure what the purpose of that gun should be
thanks !

[junior tangle]

Didn't feel like it to me, it's just Exploder Infestations are usually very intense

[indigo moth]

Volatile + shield disruption

[junior tangle]

That being said I'm also pretty rusty so I wouldn't know perfectly

[indigo moth]

Even ended with lethal enemies

[junior tangle]

I believe with Stage 2, and other salvage missions for that matter, the Mini-Mules spawn their own swarm sets, so they may seem like they overlap

also no shields makes things more stressful in general so maybe that's just a matter of tension, but I don't think the spawns have been increased in either size or frequency beyond the norm

[indigo moth]

723 kill as engi alone. 649 on gunner with somehow the driller falling half behind that

Totalling on about 1600 kills

But eh. Was a good time even with pug. Somehow had a heroic save on the end

[junior tangle]

I think I'll have to reconsider my habits of leaving EDD until last minute and actually do them ASAP

[indigo moth]

Probably a good idea. Or you might end up with some real last minute fellas. Or get good enough to carry alone :D

[junior tangle]

I'd rather solo than carry

[supple quarry]

Yup, if you are good enough to carry, you better just launch solo

[indigo moth]

How will you get 15 revives as engi then?

Somehow, i feel some EDDs end up easier than playing with people though.

[junior tangle]

Oh they definitely do

[supple quarry]

Playing with people may be a good time, there is some good fellows
but if you aim for high success rate, you better play in premade or if you can't, solo

[junior tangle]

Yeah pretty much, I normally play with plenty of Greenbeards around H3-5 and I don't mind if they screw up, but coming to EDD I have some expectations

If enemies scale up with the amount of people then EDDs can only get easier if everyone carries their own weight, which is more difficult the more chances you have for that one Driller who really insists on a bunker but doesn't know how to make one

Why take that chance if you can just venture out with Bosco

[indigo moth]

It's always bitter to lose out on a EDD, especially when you get as far as stage 2-3. I have to say tho, that even like the game just now, where the driller and gunner took off after calling the drop pod when a swarm came, it felt amazing to save the scout and myself and get to the drop pod.

Hard to get those if you play solo or even with premades, as you kinda know what to expect then

[leaden hill]

I'm glad bosco is so useful, makes playing solo worth it

[indigo moth]

What's a good DD without a few unknowns?

[junior tangle]

probably a successful one

[indigo moth]

But each to their own. As long as you rock and stone, i rarely even mind a loss. Tho i agree people should at least have a degree of sense, and not just jump into it after their first promo

Heard a lot of people on reddit talking about greenbeards these weeks, not seen too much myself tho

[junior tangle]

Actually the closest I got to a win was with a squad of 18 and lower levels

[supple quarry]

Understandable, I'd not have the patience for that I think ^^
I'm not tryharding the edd, we take the time to explore the cave, we mine everything, but it's enjoyable to see things going smoothly even if something unexpected occurs

[junior tangle]

turns out overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[indigo moth]

I got that reference

I think its just about getting a bit of each. Some successful ones, and one just barely. And ofc a crushing defeat every now and then. Does make you appreciate the ones you barely make by the last inch.

Though i dont think i could do another one like this EDD til next week. wheeze

How do you even get 15 revives as engi anyway ._.

[leaden hill]

I was going to finally try the EDD this week but decided against it when I saw shield disruption. That crap is worse than low oxygen.

[junior tangle]

This one does remind me of the EDD when DRG left Early Access

[supple quarry]

What people found hard in this edd ? I saw everyone calling it a hellgate but we went through just fine

[junior tangle]

I still have flashbacks from that one

[indigo moth]

Think i missed the early EDDs sadly

[supple quarry]

We even reached the shield disrupt stage with a double shield links, we left the pod looking at each other, and had a really good laugh xD
we spent the mission jumping on each other giving us useless shield boost 😂

[indigo moth]

Tbh, i dont honestly know what went wrong here. At most, the scout was a bit slow to grab the minerals. Otherwise, poor positioning and a LOT of spawns. Had at least an oppressor and several praetorians every wave. Queue the last minutes where im surrounded by 3 praetorians, a oppressor and 20 grunts, and me and scout on the floor.

Also, a lot of backstabbing grunts that explode

[old widget]

The cave generation algorithm changed with today’s hotfix, so none of the comments about specific cavegen challenges apply anymore.

[indigo moth]

It did what now?

[supple quarry]

It seems, updates sometimes mess up the DDs generation

[indigo moth]

So it changed from what it was earlier this week?

[old widget]

Yes

[supple quarry]

From what I heard, yes

[indigo moth]

What im hearing is, i got majorly screwed. Id like my 1 hour of suffering back please

[old widget]

Originally there was a rather challenging 2nd chamber in stage 2 with the kitchen sink of every possible hazard. No idea what it is now

[supple quarry]

But even so, I don't recall there was a bad cave gen

I guess it comes to people not taking 2m to prepare the room they are fighting in

[indigo moth]

I think the biggest challenge on stage 2 on this one was a bunch of rollers coming from cliffs + standing by the fuel cell as it charges. Add no shield and volatile with grunts coming from every side and being ping ponged across the room... pretty painful

[old widget]

It was challenging and the filter for most folks complaining in here this week

Cave itself was fine but static enemies in that chamber challenged some teams.

[junior tangle]

Stage 1 is alright but the sheer amount of swarmers and exploders and few sources of nitra make it very stressful as people struggle for ammo.
Then you also have that one room with shellbacks rolling around everywhere around the time you get the swarm alert.
Defending the black box is always more difficult with exploders, and can be even worse the more passages people start to dig with resupply and bunker attempts.

Stage 2 is just difficult because acid spitters and mactera keep attacking in the dark without shields and that is a nasty situation by itself, even worse if people don't flare up the ceiling to take down the spitters. Other than that it's just a Haz5 with Shield disruption that seems difficult to handle for the most part

Couldn't tell you about Stage 3 unfortunately, never got there [*]

[supple quarry]

Ok I see, fair enough

[indigo moth]

You probably saved a fair bit of suffering from skipping the third one. Last room was pain, + swarm in the last moments. Pretty much being in a locked room and having an oppressor go "HERE'S JOHNNY!"

[wraith shard]

stage 2 is brutal. Especially because you come into it with next to no ammo

[supple quarry]

I always doubt about people's judgment on how hard an edd is, last week one, 3rd stage was a giant flat sand field and they called it a hell gen.. so yeah

[indigo moth]

Oh yea. Felt there was a lot bigger need on ammo this run...

[wraith shard]

yeah I'd suggest taking extra ammo upgrades

we were fighting our lack of ammo as much as the bugs

[junior tangle]

But yeah around the release of DRG from Early Access there was an EDD with a Stage 2 with shield disruption like this, but it was in fungus bogs field of stinky mushrooms, 3-4 naedocyte breeders in a very large area that would just chip away at people's health, and then you also had leeches and 2 spitballers in the same room that would just hit you all

combine that with glyphids and you'd have a bad time

[wraith shard]

the main room in stage 2 has a breeder and leech, and a few spitballers

[indigo moth]

I mean, each has their own definition on difficulties. Some might struggle more with some missions/gens than others.

[wraith shard]

stage 1's challenge is lack of ammo, stage 2 wrecked us, I havnt seen stage 3 either

[supple quarry]

tbh I mostly think a lot of people jump into EDD without knowing it's H5, it may explain the harsh feedbacks

[indigo moth]

That's also true. It's still 5,5 on stage 3 I assume?

[wraith shard]

Isn't it always 5.5 on stage 3 for edd?

[junior tangle]

Haz55

[indigo moth]

Haz55 when

[supple quarry]

It's 4.5 / 5 / 5.5

[wraith shard]

haz55, haz 55.5

haz 555.5

[supple quarry]

But the .5 makes little to no difference, you can call it H5 😛

[indigo moth]

Your grunts are now as tanky as bulks, and deal the same damage as its explosion

[wraith shard]

excellent

[junior tangle]

In Haz55 you fight Karl himself

[indigo moth]

Blasphemy. Karl would never fight us!

[wraith shard]

karl is surviving on haz 55

with his bare hands

[indigo moth]

Missing a few zeroes

[junior tangle]

Just a friendly spar for a morning cardio

[indigo moth]

pickaxe to face

[junior tangle]

Not even 1% of his power

[lament pawn]

Is there any way to play previous deep dives?

[indigo moth]

Not entirely sure i agree on that tbh. Considering i have had a fair share of games with haz 4 that has been harder than haz 5. So adding another 0,5 on a already rather dangerous difficulty, does feel like a decent step up in misery.

Though I will say that other times that 5,5 has felt like haz 3

[junior tangle]

I think it just makes little difference for people well acquainted to H5

It's like noticing the difference between H2 and H3

[supple quarry]

mmh yeah I mostly talk about my personal feeling, and a just a quick look at the wiki
You can only some small hp boost on some really specific enemies

But I may be wrong

[junior tangle]

For a Greenbeard it might be a big deal but at some point you just don't feel the difference

[indigo moth]

Dont think so just yet. I dont believe they have any intention to make it anytime soon either, if at all. Considering we have had repeat DD's before.

I mean, the scaling differences should not mean terribly much. I just notice that there are so many other factors playing in. From enemy types, to locations, to amounts... etc

[chilly bluff]

is this a good m1000 build ? all damage, no ammo 2-1-1-2-1
only oc i have is hoverclock

[junior tangle]

That's true, but those factors create the difficulty in itself regardless of a hazard level.

[wraith shard]

for me its more how the rooms are when you enter them than the haz

[junior tangle]

I've had H3 games more difficult than some EDDs just because of unlucky map generation or a very nasty spawn

[indigo moth]

That's why i find it hilarious to join greenbeards on haz3, and somehow end up getting utterly screwed

[naive bobcat]

Although having 10+ younglings and a million spitballers is very noticeable on edd stage 2

[wraith shard]

a horrible gen haz 4 room is worse than an easy gen haz 5 room

[indigo moth]

Id rather have a mission where im not screwed by both the terrain and the other factors tho. Nice enough to not be downed by a single swarmer. Bloody critters

[indigo moth]

You dont like being made to play pong, where you're the ball?

[wraith shard]

the first room hash that pit full of them lmao

just dont fall in the pit

[supple quarry]

That's what I was playing for a long time, now I switched on ammo on tier 1 instead of raw damages
I loose the one tap on web spitters (Need a focus shot now) and the one focus tap in the guard, but it's not a big deal for more ammos (If you consider that you may have IFGs for example to compensate)

That being said, you may be warned not to ask general question in the deep dive discussion 😛

• you may conserve the one tap body shot on web spitters with armor breaking, but it's really not a wise choice just for this unique purpose, keep the AB for a blowthrough hipster build I'd say

[indigo moth]

I'm off for the night. So good talk fellas, and may your EDDs be less frustrating in the future

[supple quarry]

good night

[wicked briar]

did the devs reroll the elite deep dive because we got a different one then the rest of the week

same modifiers but completely different cave

[old widget]

A hotfix was released today that included changes to the cave generation algorithm. These types of patches often cause the DD/EDD to change. Not an intentional reset effort by the devs

[wicked briar]

oh so they just accidentally put it on the same week as a really hard one

[old widget]

Complete coincidence that it got easier (if it did…I haven’t tried it today). Sometimes it gets worse

[wicked briar]

I dont think it could make that stage 2 much worse

[old widget]

It can. 😉

But full ack that it was a tough chamber.

(“Shattered Armpit” stage 2 was the worst EDD stage I’ve ever played. Probably some YT vids of it)

[wicked briar]

I think I played that one and didnt have as much trouble as this weeks

[severe tusk]

I think I ended up 3 manning Shattered Armpit and we were still out of nitra, but luckily we were able to defeat the dread on stage 2 by detonating a bulk.

[chilly bluff]

thanks! I'll try that (idk any of the breakpoints)
and roger that
thought this was the right channel to ask about DD builds

[severe tusk]

It's still probably the best feeling I've had in my 800 hours of playing DRG.

[keen vine]

do y'all think 4 drillers can finish the EDD?

4 drunk ones at that

[supple elk]

Does the enemy spawn seed also stay the same?

[wicked briar]

no

[supple quarry]

Yup give it a try, the way you feel about a build is the most important thing
If it's a build question for DD then yes you're in the right place. It's just that I've already seen people being told to move to drg-chat, so I felt like letting you know but it was dumb from me, I'm no mod or else to say this to people x) (if you ask me I'd not, when you see how chaotic and toxic the general chat is, but hey...)
For the breakpoints, I don't know them either from memory, I use karl.gg for damages of the build + the wiki for health + a calculator ^^

[dire dragon]

I just did my first Deep Dive with a friend and we ended up getting it done before 45 minutes, so that's two achievements taken care of!! (Died quite a bit but made it.)

[dry tinsel]

Anyone know when update 35 comes out for Xbox

[severe tusk]

Tomorrow, I think.

[chilly bluff]

i didnt know about karl.gg that's great! thanks

[covert steppe]

Tried doing the EDD with a friend yesterday before the resets hit. We got pretty far in stage 2, died at the fuel cells due to mistimed plasma burster usage (so it's on me). EDD ain't undoable for my gang as I thought, but there's a lot of thought that goes into it.

So a very different change of pace compared to memey Haz 3/4 missions

[charred radish]

Yeah edds are definitely way harder than haz3 and 4 lol

[covert steppe]

I was expecting us to completely flat out fail the second a bug touched us, but it wasn't that bad

A lot more careful gameplay sure, but otherwise very fun to get right

I'mma force the rest of my greenbeard friends to promote quicker, gather some OCs and we'll be tackling the next EDD

[charred radish]

Thats the beautiful thing about dds they help get more ocs!

[autumn vigil]

How stingy is the nitra in the EDD stages?

[burnt sandal]

you generally overflow with nitra, like in normal missions, but you have much MUCH more at the end.

[olive tulip]

Important bit is at the end aka stage 3

You might be starved for nitra for stage 1 or 2, depending on objectives

[wanton vessel]

i think if you don't rush EDD and take time to explore, you wouldn't run out of nitra for sure

[strong sequoia]

i might remember it wrong but i think there was only like 5-6 veins of nitra in the stage 1

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[raw jacinth]

-1 min !

got it now

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Azure Weald | Code Name: Gangrenous Armpit
Stage 1: 225 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Shield Disruption
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Classic + Twins) + 📡 1 Black Box | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Driller's Legacy
Stage 1: 10 Aquarq + Dreadnought Hiveguard | Volatile Guts Low Oxygen
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Twins + Hiveguard) + 📡 1 Black Box | Elite Threat
Stage 3: 200 Morkite + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators!

[potent patio]

gangrenous armpit

[wraith shard]

I really like how the EDDs look after an update and some new players joined. It is like this:
"Oh you got promoted! You think you know the gameplay now? Well how about this! Feel like a again? Good!"
Even with a Legendary Team you can get this feeling lately.

[merry holly]

EDD first map, all the nitra is on the ceiling bring a good scout he will have to do the mining

[crimson tinsel]

Also Regen bugs is great with a Steeve. Better anomaly than volatile guts

Even though it’s not

[ashen mist]

-loads Fat Boy with malicous intent-

[crimson tinsel]

If the explosion doesn’t kill the scout, the radiation might.
If the radiation doesn’t killed the scout, the fall might.
If the fall doesn’t kill the scout, the C4 might.
If the C4 doesn’t kill the scout, kick him.

[obtuse pasture]

I usually attempt EDD solo with engi.. today stage 1 .. man it was a nightmare.. really feels awful with massively vertical maps

[obtuse pasture]

anyone had any luck soloing the EDD this week so far?

[junior tangle]

Wow it really is a different experience if you do the EDD on day 1 rather than the final call

I might just start doing it regularly

[obtuse pasture]

todays EDD stage 1 is kicking my ass for some reason

[obtuse pasture]

anyone else getting massive swarms during the EDD dread fight in stage 1?

[clear pawn]

yeah, failed edd stage 1 couple times

seems like a good edd to bring HP

[dense obsidian]

What time are you fighting it at? Aquarq missions enter an effective infinite swarm at the 20 minute mark.

[obtuse pasture]

i specifically did it super early.. rushed 80 nitra.. dropped resup in the flat plan ice area.. probably less than 6 minutes in

I don't leave things late on PE missions .. from experience

[flat terrace]

Man.. stage 1 is a real pain in the ass.. a detonator spawn every wave is tedious

[old widget]

Yeah, in PE+dread EDD, if you hear a second announced swarm and the dread is still alive, chances are you’re gonna have a Bad Day

Either do the dread immediately after you clear the welcome party at the drop zone, or rush nitra/aquarqs and pop dread egg while the first announced swarm is winding down

[wraith shard]

Looking to do my first Deep Dive, today.

[lilac root]

got a hub for it right now, regular

EU region though

[wraith shard]

that's cool, I have trouble with discord-DRG integration, so I cannot join a group with the LFG buttons

[lilac root]

if you're in the EU region it should show in the list in game, "team players only"

[wraith shard]

It just says Deep Rock Galactic Net Detected

okay will check it

I guess that I am not in the EU Region.. I just see US CA games

[lilac root]

well where do you live?

[wraith shard]

US

[lilac root]

then yeah, you're in NA region

[wraith shard]

oh ha ha

I thought people posting that in LFG were saying something else

[boreal glade]

how is this week's EDD compared to last week's?

[lilac root]

rough

stage 1 especially

[junior tangle]

easier IMO if only on the account on no Shield Disruption

but its Glacial Strata and Point Extraction so of course it's not a walk in the park

[wraith shard]

is there any way to change the regional server?

[lilac root]

no idea

[dense obsidian]

Be sure to use the bulks to dunk the hiveguard

purely for giggles

[boreal glade]

yeah, i'm not expecting an "easy" EDD, i just don't want something as painful as last week's stage 2

[junior tangle]

I think best you can do is increase search distance to "world"

[dense obsidian]

This weeks Stage 1 is harder than last week's Stage 2 IMO.

kek

[spring egret]

any body done the new EDD?

not enough ammo for stage 2 lol

[junior tangle]

hard disagree but I guess it's a matter of personal opinion

[lilac root]

yeah just did

[dense obsidian]

Last week was an exercise on dunking priority targets, this one has a lot more general pressure I found.

Both are decently difficult.

[junior tangle]

I really don't like getting chipped down on Shield Disrupt

[boreal glade]

i guess i'll just have to see later

[flat terrace]

managed to kill dread on EDD1 with the detonator

[junior tangle]

but then again I attempted last week's EDD after reset yesterday so my experience probably differs highly

[flat terrace]

clutched that stage lmao

[junior tangle]

End of stage 2 today was pretty fun, we got chased down by two bulks during the escape

didn't even bother wasting ammo on them

a total of four bulks in stage 2 alone, almost makes me miss the times when getting one was a rare occurrence

[atomic prawn]

wat, there's plenty of ammo for mine

we used one resup stage 1, three resups stage 2, and went to town for stage 3 lol

[crimson tinsel]

I haven’t seen the map for Stage 1 yet, but is it feasible to lure a bulk to the dread? Where is the dread egg?

[atomic prawn]

you can, but it's hiveguard

it's the single deep column map

so it'll all come down anyways

[hallow path]

5 swarm during dread fight

Holy f

[atomic prawn]

we used the bulk explosion to clap the dread's three bits, and finished it off ez

[crimson tinsel]

If the weak point is exposed when the bulk goes off will it still only take off a set chunk of the HG’s health?

[atomic prawn]

it'll only take the health off when the health bar is vulnerable

we just couldn't be arsed shooting the nibbly bits since the HG was already like 20% hp

[wraith shard]

WTF is wrong with people why is everyone I joined for an EDD quitting even when things work out. They just insult each other until one gets pissed to the point of leaving.

[obtuse pasture]

EDD ... Stage 2... Elite Bulk Detonator.. sigh (rip ammo)

[hazy comet]

EDD sounds fun based off what I'm reading here cant wait to try it later

[neat oxide]

Wondering about just bringing lots of cryo. Nades, minelets , and a cryo driller

[atomic prawn]

Yeah

Don't need minelets

[neat oxide]

@crimson tinsel if you get extra damage off when it's vulnerable, you can skip a phase.

[atomic prawn]

Cryo driller and cryo nades is enough

[neat oxide]

They just nerfed the overturned cooler OC though :(

[atomic prawn]

Tuned cooler still good

That's what I used

[onyx crypt]

I just doomed an EDD by rage quitting. And I feel bad about it.

[neat oxide]

Awesome, thx! @atomic prawn

[atomic prawn]

Taking the less delay to repressure and faster repressure

And I think I took the bigger ammo mod

And radiance, and the freeze power to get 10 power in the end

[obtuse pasture]

Gonna run scout in my team run of the EDD later (succeeded stage 1 with engi solo).. Solo stage 1 four times before I nailed it down.. That map has really terrible placement of a lot of stuff.. and if you get unlucky with swarm timing on the dread fight you are pretty much doomed. My recommendation is rush 80 nitra ASAP call a resup in the flat area with the icy patch that on the tier above the station and take the dread fight before going for any aquarqs.. if you can get it done before first swarm call the rest is a LOT better..

Trying to fight the dreads + a swarm by the base at the bottom is death

[atomic prawn]

lol we did 10 aq, and then did the dread fight at the bottom

happy fun times

[obtuse pasture]

did you succeed?

[atomic prawn]

yes

cleared edd on first attempt

[supple jewel]

the DD isnt hard right?

[atomic prawn]

haven't done dd

[obtuse pasture]

DD looks easy on paper this week

[atomic prawn]

edd 1 and 2 can be a pain, after that, 3 is easy mode

[obtuse pasture]

EDD multi looks ok.. EDD solo is a donkey

in fact 10 aquarq haz5 solo with shitty aquarq positions is just rough anyway..

[old widget]

point bosco at aquarq, take a sip from dwarven flask, repeat?

[obtuse pasture]

pretty much exactly what i do for the hard to reach ones.. but you still have to see them, and you still have to find them

[old widget]

fair

[obtuse pasture]

Not that many "easy access" - in this case 4-5 that are bosco-able

the issue is you NEED nitra early and the nitra is also in shitty places.. so bad either way

[willow tulip]

how long did the EDD take?

[atomic prawn]

4-man cleared in 42m40s

[willow tulip]

Alrighty, thanks

[sullen nest]

Solo Scout went fine for me - negated the pain of the aquarqs on stage one, and the cavegen made the black box real easy in stage two
the excessive nitra meant that the dreads weren't too much trouble even as Scout, and the last mission was just a normal haz5 morkite pretty much

Though I did go down once per stage, but that's what Iron Will is for (and technically bosco I guess)

[supple jewel]

DD is easy

we had enough nitra at the end

for 7 resupply

[dusty meadow]

Edd 4 man clear 59 mins

[uncut raptor]

how's the EDD?

[dusty meadow]

Stage 1 vertical.

Doable

[wraith shard]

It is. But it is annoying.

[prime egret]

is the Lok-1 usable this time or is it still a little low on ammo?

[old widget]

I find LOK is fine for H5+ as long as you don’t try to use it for crowd control

[acoustic bolt]

still a little low so I use to to kill targets that go past gunner and scout lines of defense. You have to use nades and your turret a lot more than other weapons

[old widget]

That’s what BC/PGL is for (IMO)

[wraith shard]

Just did EDD with LOK, used it for single-target and small groups. Works just fine. Also Stage 1 is hell.

[burnt sandal]

If it was unusable for you before because of the ammo, then it still is.

[prime egret]

I never tried it last dive b/c I heard about ammo worries and I didn't have a lot of time for retries. I also had ammo trouble for a while until I got electric chemical rounds, so I might give it a shot this time.

[burnt sandal]

People having trouble with the ammo are the one who can't understand how to use the gun properly.
The gun isn't designed to take on large group of enemies. The secondary weapons are.

Also, curve your bullets to hit the weakpoints.

[supple quarry]

I did a couple of H5 missions with the gun vanilla (No OC / no upgrades at all) as I always do for new gun, didn't have any ammo issues
So you should be fine as long as you don't use the gun for an inappropriate purpose

[burnt sandal]

Pretty much

[prime egret]

I know about the weakpoints bit, I hadn't had a lot of experience with the gun so I was definitely playing it poorly. I'm better with it now, might actually give executioner a go again. (but not in the dive without practice first)

[burnt sandal]

A slight ammo buff is still not entirely out of the question in the future but don't hold hope for that.

[vocal cradle]

lok-1 11111 + explosive chemicals OC = instagib small bugs

just charge it up to 3 locks on any bug and you can release the button

this way ammo is not a huge, but still a problem when it comes to beefy enemies

[jovial cairn]

the amount of swarmers and macteras on this dd is something

[vocal cradle]

oh, join edd

o2 + guts + 2 detonators + dread

[ivory cypress]

How’s the cave generation for the EDD?

[vocal cradle]

not bad, not good

you got 2 big rooms on this one

[brisk pagoda]

21111 without overclock will also meet grunt breakpoint with 3 locks, after like 2 hits of shock dot

[vocal cradle]

naaah

without oc it's not as good

cuz every 3-d lock there is explosive bullet

it really makes cleaning bugs much easier

[brisk pagoda]

is the explosive aoe?

[burnt sandal]

yep

[glass wagon]

My buddy and I finished our first deep dive last night in under 45 minutes. Time to shoot for elite XD

[vocal cradle]

ooh

good luck on this one

[glass wagon]

lol

we actually just got the game

[vocal cradle]

this elite deep dive is fucking killer

[glass wagon]

really been enjoying it so far

wait isn't the deep dive reset today?

[vocal cradle]

yep

[burnt sandal]

it happened already yeah

[glass wagon]

I totally forgot about that, looks like we're doing the new regular one tonight first

kinda want some overclocks for the elite dive if we can get them

[rose pilot]

meh, last weeks was worse

[vapid hinge]

hmm, it says "deep dive database could not be reached" for me, anyone else?

[supple jewel]

restart client

[fresh nova]

"complete a deep dive in under 45 minutes"
completes deep dive in 44:55

[dense flame]

man the new elite deep dive sucks

[wraith shard]

what makes it so bad

is it as bad as the last onew

[dense flame]

low oxygen ice biome aquarqs in a vertical room lmao

and barely any nitra

and second objective dreadnaught and maybe guranteed the first swarm spawns a nuke guy

[wraith shard]

...oh

[velvet gorge]

That EDD stage 1 was oof. took a couple tries

Stage 2 with double elite detonators during black box

back to Stage 1 cry

[dense flame]

lmao yeah

and the second map an absolute maze too

[velvet gorge]

Hard EDD, but not as horrible as last weeks shield disruption + exploding guts combo

made me want to uninstall for a moment

This one was much harder than average Imo, but not BS hard, just hard hard

[wraith shard]

last weeks was inconceivably hard

even with a perfectly coordinated team, it's got the "mission that makes you want to uninstall the game" difficulty

[crimson tinsel]

That ‘bulk spawning in the pod to save you the time’ kinda difficultly

[rose pilot]

I didn't find nitra too bad on mission 1

I got I think enough for 3 resups

[deft kite]

This week was easy enough

[velvet gorge]

There is a lot of nitra if you are very quick to farm. if you spawn the hiveguardian past 10min, it's easy to get 3-4 swarms while trying to bring it down

[crimson tinsel]

PE is always a race against the clock

[deft kite]

Just get a first ressup then pop

Can be done within a minute

[crimson tinsel]

Illiterate Driller: pops the scout

[velvet gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/myth-busters-c4-explosion-when-in-doubt-gif-14612449

[sour totem]

Aquarqs or dreadnought first on stage one?

[iron sail]

tried aquarqs on edd first, not good idea

[charred radish]

Why not?

[hoary cove]

dread cause if you do it later, chances are it’ll come with a swarm

[charred radish]

Ah

Makes sense

[hoary cove]

or at least a passive one

[iron sail]

fighting dread spawned 2 full swarms in it

[mellow cove]

From what I remember swarm/wave frequency on PE doesn't change with time, but the amount of bugs spawned does

[iron sail]

there was at least 15 ambient waves during the dread fight

[mellow cove]

So you're still likely to get a swarm during dread if you do it early, just not as many bugs

[iron sail]

pissed me and my duo off

[iron sail]

yo

why is there is an infinite fucking swarm

on first stage

edd

likie

we encountered 2 swarms during the hive guard

and close to 5 swarms during the gathering of the aquarq

because of not being able to grab the aquarq in the very roof of the cave

[worn bramble]

How is this week looking like?

[crimson tinsel]

Swarmy

[prime egret]

you should have seen the one a few weeks (months?) ago, it was glacial, point extraction, twins and swarmaggeddon. 1/2 of our nitra use was on the first stage, had to call like 4 resupplies for 2 of us - mostly just for health at that point. still beat the dive but that was a ride

[mellow cove]

I remember that one, not sure if it had swarmageddon though

But the magma core with second stage PE with og dread had

[wanton nymph]

my first team waited until 5 swarms before a HIVE dread so best bet is to get nitra and remove said dread imo

worked out better second time with dread first over aquarq

[atomic prawn]

it's PE...

so don't drag ass 😂

[covert swift]

is this weeks EDD easy?

[atomic prawn]

not for many i feel

stage 1 is the great filter, and stage 2 is the finisher 😂

once you pass that tho, stage 3 is chill af

[wanton nymph]

I swear driller with flamethrower vs driller with cryo is snow miser vs heat miser

[atomic prawn]

gonna want cryo driller for this edd tho

single elims stage 1 and double elims stage 2

[obtuse pasture]

worst part is I was almost through stage 2 solo. EDD when.. elite bulk + elite slasher and that was the end.. sad

[atomic prawn]

oof

[obtuse pasture]

I hate elite mod.. I always get maximum bollocks

the elite salvage a few weeks back took 4-5 attempts before I didn't get ludicrous elites during the salvage phase.. still have flashbacks

whole pack of elite grunt guards defending a salvage point solo.. shrugging off breach cutter shots like I was shooting a flare gun at them

[old widget]

Max simultaneous elite spawns is 2, though sometimes that can feel like a pack

[summer wigeon]

Oh god the number of dreads on the edd

And elite threat

[vague storm]

This one is the hardest edd since I started playing

[fallow niche]

sheesh, and here i was thinking, after last week's EDD being my first the rest should be easy in comparison

mostly just trying to scrounge up nitra on stage 2 is annoying as the cave layout is a bit of a pain, though I've got a good feel for it now after a practice run

volatile guts seems like a boon on stage 1 for conserving ammo in any case, and also helps in killing the sentinels with some careful positioning i think

[vague storm]

I only been playi g DRG 3 or 4 months tho

And only been may be a month or two most since I been doing EDDs but certainly most difficult ED in that time frame

Gonna try killing dread first tonight

[odd path]

EDD Stage 1 is garbage

One of the worst PE cave gens I've seen

[low garnet]

it's an incredibly easy cave

[odd path]

Cool, didn't really ask for input

[low garnet]

then don't give an unsolicited opinion! have a great night!

[sullen nest]

the aquarq hidden inside of the dreadnought spawn was pretty great

[jolly hazel]

stage 1 is hairy cuz of the stupid spawns

had to use 4(!) resupplies because we took too long

only had 3 for dread level

stage 3 was pretty easy

cleared it first try though

[warm light]

First team I played with fell apart on stage 1, everyone but me(the driller) ignoring nitra, someone randomly popped the cocoon right before a swarm hit, none of them saw any problem with what they were doing. We used up three whole resupply pods in the time it took us to do 10% of its health, mission failed shortly after.

Attempt 2 went nicely, almost no deaths on stage 1 if not for me fucking up as a Scout. Nothing else of note.

[boreal glade]

stage 3 EDD was interesting for me and my rando group

we got a random hiveguard spawn after we got all mules, though fortunately we were able to grab the remaining morkite quickly and get the heck out of dodge, so we didn't even need touch the dread. we won, but it was interesting. funny enough, i still though that was easier than stage 1 and 2

thanks game, there weren't enough dreads during this week's EDD already.

[fiery venture]

I would kick or abort after that; I really can't afford to waste time on multiple attempts because people potato

[icy chasm]

once my team got past stage 1, the rest of the EDD went pretty smoothly

had 1 elite bulk spawn tho

[hushed sequoia]

i must really get lucky with random edd groups because it was mostly smooth except for the first stage on my first attempt

terraforming is pretty important though

that big trench would be death had i not drilled ramps down to it

[fallow niche]

this week's EDD definitely has the difficulty front-loaded, i think. once you get past stage 1 and have a comfortable amount of nitra on 2 and 3, it's relatively smooth sailing if you can maintain a healthy amount of paranoia re: cave leeches, dangerous elites in stage 2, and such

[burnt sandal]

EDD ain't that bad but people always have trouble with PE + dread because they are playing too slow/can't kill the dread fast enough

[fallow niche]

and stage 1, from what i can tell, is largely about rushing the aquarqs as fast as humanly possible while also nabbing up the available nitra to make stage 2 go a bit more smoothly, if you can

PE seems to very harshly punish dallying about, which a lot of randos are wont to do

[hushed sequoia]

yea

[atomic prawn]

especially with low O2

[hushed sequoia]

is the low o2 effect new

[atomic prawn]

no

[hushed sequoia]

maybe i just havent gotten that low in a while

[atomic prawn]

just that the stars aligned for this inconvenient edd1

[hushed sequoia]

i meant the status when your oxygen is low

[fallow niche]

low o2 is alleviated a fair bit with liberal application of ziplines

usually its extremely obnoxious on PE but with the rather small cavern, i didnt find it as bad as it normally is

obviously not ideal

[burnt sandal]

I find it alright in PE

you just gotta place the supply pod in weird places, that's about the only annoying part of it

but since you're doing a lot of backtrack anyway, it's usually fine. Just gotta maximise efficiency and make sure you don't come back empty handed. At least bring some nitra back 😄

[upbeat obsidian]

That's literally what just happened to the random team I tried it with

We decided at the start to rush the Dread after the first wave was over, but the first wave didn't show up until 15 minutes in, almost. From there it was almost basically inevitable to not work out.
Two bulks and the team insisting on staying near the minehead for the Dread fight didn't help 😬

[burnt sandal]

rip

[upbeat obsidian]

I tried to move to the cavern near where the egg was, and one of the guys FFed me, I assume thinking I was fuffing about and not helping... Guys, sticky flames don't work on the minehead....

[atomic prawn]

15 minutes for stage 1 👀

[upbeat obsidian]

Yeah, exactly. We had 8/10 aquarqs and were still waiting for the first called wave at 15 minutes. Ideally we should have been done and gone already

[atomic prawn]

i think we got all the aqs done by like 7 mins

then we started the dread 😂

[upbeat obsidian]

Enough of the Aquarqs seemed to be up high, that it requires some good coordination and prioritization by Scout/Engi to get them fast enough. At 10 minutes, I was still drilling up the wall to get Nitra that had been platted, but not collected

[atomic prawn]

scout problem lol

[upbeat obsidian]

I had to laugh at a few things though, Gunner sent up ziplines nice and fast, but didn't spot or clear where they went, so I got over the first rise on one, and a spitballer popped up 2m in front of me, and knocked me off and I died from falling xD

Surprise! 🐍

[atomic prawn]

still a scout problem 😂

[upbeat obsidian]

I suppose it is xD

[atomic prawn]

people asking me why i don't shoot ziplines

because i can't see where to shoot em 😂

[upbeat obsidian]

Gunner seemed to be doing well, overall. He brought NTP and he was keeping the swarms at bay at least until the Dread was out. It was uphill from there with a Dread climbing up and all over the minehead, because the team was just circling around it

[rapid sage]

this elite deep dive -- we just fixed the mules for the last one

is that normal?

dont you normally need to send them back then defend?

[atomic prawn]

honestly don't remember 😂

[rapid sage]

lol

[fallow niche]

yeah that actually caught me off guard as well, heh

was taking my sweet time on stage 3 expecting a big finale, then hit the button on the mule and just. left

i mean, i'm not complaining but it was a little anticlimactic

[feral atlas]

Gunner took flame hurricane to EDD. Was almost physically painful.

Lack of dps on the stage 1 dread really hurts when it takes too long and you get a wave. Didn’t help that I was driller and the engi was somewhat new.

[feral atlas]

Only if mules are the primary objective.

[shell falcon]

im planning to do my first deep dive today, any tips or things i should know?

[fallow niche]

yeah i did a few blind practice runs as bullet hell solo gunner and quickly realized the lack of single target damage is no bueno when you have a total 3 dreads to take down over the course of the edd

not to mention the elites on stage 2, and bulks throughout

[feral atlas]

We won. Messily but we won.

[fallow niche]

any one you walk away from and all that.

[feral atlas]

Ended up doing it a second time as engi to wash the taste of that ass EDD from my mouth.

[fallow niche]

its mostly common sense i think; top off on ammo from any existing resupply pods before you go to the next stage, grab all the nitra you can and dont waste time completing objectives

[shell falcon]

cool thanks

[feral atlas]

what happens when I'm not engi:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1841404754535243325/C75A30A52EFC3879F85821F994CB2D35ED2928E3/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

what happens when I'm engi:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1841404754535243912/7B93E09B98B09EA5D160CCC70762E124555A9809/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[atomic prawn]

15 downs lol

[trail hound]

For elite deep dives would y'all reccomend m1k trash clearer and stun and zhuk burst or DRAK DPS and boomstick crowd clearer and burster

[atomic prawn]

drak n zhuk or m1k n zhuk

[trail hound]

Shd I use electrifying focus shot for the drak zhuk combo

No OCs other than that

Zhuk has no ocs

Drak has TEF

[feral atlas]

Is this solo?

I honestly would not recommend scout in the first place if so.

Jellies are worse than swarmers

[trail hound]

Scouts my only prok

Promo

And preferably I'll be playing in a team lmao

I'll just join a game

So assume 4 playera

[atomic prawn]

yeah, else... just go farm the other classes more 😂

if 4p, bring m1k hipster else just any drak

[trail hound]

Ok

I just rlly like scout :(

[atomic prawn]

if neither secondaries have OCs... i'd still bring zhuks 😂 i like my brrrr

[trail hound]

Also no hipster m1k

[trail hound]

Is it preference or are the zhuks just better

[feral atlas]

Quite honestly, you at best can fish for a carry

[trail hound]

Is scout that bad?

[feral atlas]

He isn’t a carry. Not on this biome.

Skill of the players on engi and gunner will matter.

[trail hound]

So it's not a scout thing right

Just kinda a biome thing due to the limited grappling?

[feral atlas]

Scout not really. On this EDD he might as well be called the mining and light slave

[trail hound]

I mean in that case I might as well take my m1k because it's just very enjoyable to use

[atomic prawn]

as with nearly every other mission 😂

[trail hound]

And what's a game if not a game yknos

[trail hound]

I will leave now before I learn something I dont want to

[feral atlas]

Scout sucks at static defense, escort, and dealing with jellies

[atomic prawn]

scout is only good for carrying PE 😂

[feral atlas]

Of which, this map has the latter two

[atomic prawn]

good thing edd1 has 10aq for scout to mine

[feral atlas]

Blue rocks aren’t the problem, the problem is making sure your engi and gunner brought enough dps so the dread dies before the next wave spawns

That, and the engi remembering turret maintainance so you don’t get molested by the jellies

[trail hound]

Wouldn't scout be good for the dreads

[feral atlas]

As an assist.

[trail hound]

So I'm having serious issues reading the heat gauge on the drak

So I can't rlly use TEF to my adcantage

It just kind of blends into the background so I can't see clearly at a glance

Is there a heat bar mod I can get or somethjg

[feral atlas]

As a primary dps, you don’t have the ammo

[trail hound]

Fair enough

[rose pilot]

i mean, i use supercooling chamber and i've never struggled with soloing dreads

nor really the waves because of cryo minlets zhuk

but without either or anything comparable you might just want to level someone else up

[mellow cove]

TEF kinda sucks against dreads since they're resistant to fire

SCC sucks as well but just in general

[ocean vapor]

DD refill ammo and health now?

[atomic prawn]

No?

Fixed no? Stopped happening when I did edd yesterday

[ocean vapor]

I just finished DD. Between stages all weapons are ammo full

as well as health, all got restored

[static hound]

that bug still exists?

[atomic prawn]

Huh

Have you updated your game?

[ocean vapor]

I will try EDD later

Maybe it got fixed inEDD

[mellow cove]

Afaik it's client only

Damn that's a lot of client side bugs in a single update

[ocean vapor]

Bug and stones

[untold laurel]

How ass is this week edd?

[charred radish]

Ass

Hey hold on your pic is familiar

Aren't you in the gunfire reborn discord?

[untold laurel]

Mayhaps

[charred radish]

Ayeee

Small world lmfao

[untold laurel]

Ikr, theres like 5 peeps in gunfire disc who play drg

Is edd assier than last week edd to complete stage 2?

[vale falcon]

Depends

[mellow cove]

Sounds like it is tbh

I'm just gonna assume people are having issues with it because they don't rush dread

[atomic prawn]

if you take your time on stage 1 you in for a bad time that will cripple your stage 2

[obtuse pasture]

I rushed dread.. still got SHAFTED in stage 2 with horrific elites. my run was solo.. so will only know what team run is like this weekend

[atomic prawn]

4-man?

we just muda-muda'd the elites with melee damage 😂

[odd rover]

SBB? SBB is extremely strong rn.

[mellow cove]

No

SCC

[odd rover]

Not sure what that is?

Oh, supercooling

[mellow cove]

Supercooling chamber

[clear pawn]

the stage 2 didnt spawn as much elites for us, so was able to proceed nicely

took 3/4 resupplies to go through stage 1 tho, that was tough

[quasi cove]

Know what’s funnier than 2 cave leeches?|| 3 cave leeches ||