deep-dive-discussion

[tidal salmon]

after all i did manage to get to the laser phase. so maybe it is possible

but one thing above all that infuriates me is that you need luck

[brisk pagoda]

do you have a bosco loadout for rocket spam?

[tidal salmon]

and naw im not gonna chew through 2 stages just to get wambammed in stage 3

[tidal salmon]

nope

i dont think bosco is very useful in combat

so i just leave him to do his thing

he is great at mining tho

[brisk pagoda]

well if youre solo scout youre going to need to use his rockets to conserve ammo and do aoe

[tidal salmon]

well i do a ton of solos on haz 5, 6 and more recently 7 (which i will never do again)

and naw

you dont rlly need bosco

just good positioning

but fuck haz 7

done with a swarm? Great heres one 15s later

ifgs become your best friend

aight

time to rumble

edd still seems p easy tho

[brisk pagoda]

thats the thing with escort. you arent allowed to position

[tidal salmon]

oh i assumed you meant in general

well i could try on a separate ocassion

[lone lance]

At this point easy mutations for EDD just make me suspicious, lol

[tidal salmon]

but i really dont think its gonna work

[crisp snow]

SAME

every "No mutations you can trust us :)" mission is like Hazard 10 difficulty. That shit is bait lmao

[tidal salmon]

and one thing. unless someone has actually seen the viability of bosco on a solo escort with scout in the sense that you can reliably win

then im not at all convinced

[crisp snow]

Bosco's kinda strong ngl

[tidal salmon]

hes aight

a good companion and mining buddy

[crisp snow]

I have him built for pure support though since I mostly play Gunner solo.

But in the off times I've played something like Scout solo he can be a pretty big powerhouse when built for damage dealing

[tidal salmon]

on haz 5?

🤔

[quaint lake]

the only issue you have when playing scout solo is swarmers and all other small pests, and Bosco is a killing machine against those

[ruby glacier]

bosco is pretty bad in high haz lol

damage is piss even with full damage upgrades

[tidal salmon]

all i need bosco to do in terms of combat if its ever applicable

is kill low hp targets

[quaint lake]

I only really want Bosco to take care of small stupid stuff, and it does that nicely

[tidal salmon]

thats all

yep

targeting priority

[crisp snow]

This, yeah.

Plus electric bullets can help slow enemies, too.

[quaint lake]

also, uhm, bosco is never useless, because of the busted electric bullets

[tidal salmon]

instead of. you know, flying through a goddamn wall to target some bug 50 miles away

[quaint lake]

slowdowns everything to a crawl

just learn to spam X from time to time

it fixes the AI

[crisp snow]

He's not gonna solo waves or anything but he's very good at supplementing your shortcomings.

I do wish he could do a little more but I think if he was too strong it'd start reaching that territory of "Why would I ever play with people when I've got Bosco"

[quaint lake]

also point extraction Bosco is super nice

[crisp snow]

VERY nice.

[quaint lake]

an Aquark spawn in the ceiling? Bosco

[lone lance]

remember kids, ninja bulks are not a mutator, lol

[crisp snow]

Or the classic "Oops! All Slashers"

[lone lance]

The Devil calls the algorithm who generated the map just to say he was a fan of his work.

[brisk pagoda]

spawn wave of 1 web spitter and 9 acid spitters

[lone lance]

you 5 minutes ago: "nah it's fine, we can do this without a scoot"

[brisk pagoda]

the walking lightbulb is useful

[quaint lake]

AI stability scout with an actual aimbot aim versus swarm of acid spitters

[lone lance]

noticing the buggers before you get a hot load in your face are the hard part

[ruby glacier]

not too bad EDD this week

2nd stage had some pretty crazy stage gen

[crisp snow]

Funnily enough we were talking abt solo scout earlier

normal DD is like, precision built for Scout

LOTS of ores up high, huge open caves to fly around in.

It's a good time.

[vapid storm]

More like all aquarqs? Bosco, while my dumb ass scrapes all the gold off the walls

[quaint lake]

nah, takes too long

[vapid storm]

That’s the point of it for me

[ashen rock]

lots of morkite in the EDD this week

[keen bronze]

edd is easy if you go fast

[azure wraith]

edd stage 3, a bulk spawned directly on doretta while she was still in the cage and the bulk got instantly killed

[shadow minnow]

Sad, had a EDD team, one person with 20 deaths, one person with 13 deaths...

feels bad

And then I get blamed for us failing, the person with 1 death because I couldn't clutch it when everyone died and I was last man standing.

[lone lance]

some people need to find less toxic ways to cope

[azure wraith]

yeah they were looking for a scapegoat

[shadow minnow]

xD

[uncut raptor]

that EDD was not fun

lmao

did it first try tho

had a greenbeard that dropped out on 1st stage because we didn't help them up during escape

[quaint lake]

just play scout and don't die, 4head

[lone lance]

worst start i have had of an EDD, someone drank my buff beer 😦

[uncut raptor]

we didn't have a scout lol

slayer stout helped a lot

[lone lance]

i am scout, the lack of fall damage beer annoys me every time i fall, lol

[tidal salmon]

quite ez edd this week

apart from nuking myself

[lone lance]

have been in stage 2 for ages, on the plus side, a pleasant russian, minus, the greebeard stereotype itself, in the form of an engineer.
He only platforms gold, not morkite and nitra.

our driller left.

[tidal salmon]

had so much nitra by stage 3 the entire omoran fight was just me sitting on top of the dozer periodically firing fatboys at everything that moved

turned the place into a radioactive wasteland

[lone lance]

yeah, nitra was fine this week at least

[ivory cypress]

How’s the cave generation for the EDD?

[lone lance]

following tradition, the "no modifier" one, stage 2, got bad generation haha

[tidal salmon]

yep weird gen

but not necessarily deadly

[lone lance]

bet-c in stage 3 EDD?

trying to decipher russian, lol

[tidal salmon]

not that i know of

but my sound is always off so dont quote me on that

[lone lance]

yeah betc

after the refuel

drill juust avoided it, ha. but fighting a swarm with betc 5 meters away is eeeh

[tidal salmon]

damn its amazing that i didnt see it then

i went through that same area at least twice checking for morkite

also i somehow never touched it while using the fatboy

[lone lance]

probably did not appear for you, but for those it does spawn for, drilling ahead sounds like a good idea

[tidal salmon]

bet cs always spawn

on seeded runs

that have them

i prob just didnt see them by coincidence

and its not like i can hear them either

[lone lance]

Did you get a lot of opressors in stage 2 btw?

[tidal salmon]

y e p

[shadow shoal]

Depends on how many players you have

[tidal salmon]

i thought the game pre determines whether special spawns will occur

[lone lance]

3 players then for the record

[tidal salmon]

additionally its not like i have not seen bet cs that occur for others on the edd

the edd 2 weeks ago had that bet c in the spawning area

[lone lance]

oppressors were a pain with only cryo mine nuk17s.
Gunner had incenerary grenades and greenbeard had fire on his PGL ><

[tidal salmon]

it was the same for me as was with everyone else

[tidal salmon]

i wouldnt freeze praets with minelets in any case

its honestly a pain and really ammo hungry

plus they just break out of it in a second

[lone lance]

I was kinda doing everything this run, ugh

they are mostly CC but they freeze things alright

[tidal salmon]

they are p powerful yes

but not brain dead powerful

[lone lance]

you can freeze a swarm of grunts or dumb a mag at the feet of a praetorian

[tidal salmon]

wdym

i see it a lot

[lone lance]

hard to notice embedded dets i guess

[tidal salmon]

not rlly

they make the loudest fuckin sound ever

apart from grabber screams

scouts useless on haz 5? hmm

[lone lance]

still not scouts job to deal with swarms, but they are great for not dying

[tidal salmon]

also ED on swarms?

weird

very weird

[lone lance]

I mostly like cryo mines for killing spitters and nexuses, haha. Nice to clear them out when i am ahead anyway, before they start dealing damage

[tidal salmon]

well i cant dispute that special powder is a lot of fun and id be honestly more obsessed with going at turbo speeds than contributing to my team

ngl most scouts i play with carry their weight

on haz 5

they arent swarm clearing obviously. But killing HVTs, supporting the team with nades be it IFGs or cryos

its nice

and can come in clutch

[lone lance]

after driller left and with the gunner maving minigun IFGs were basically what got us though the worst swarms, ugh

[tidal salmon]

(thats not to say scouts cant swarm clear)

[lone lance]

cryo i guess

oneshot swarms of macarenas

[tidal salmon]

most powerful?

i mean

it really depends

i do have preferred set ups

killing shit means quite a lot of things

[lone lance]

last week i ran EDD with a really good cryo driller, my BoM GK2 was a joy to use then

[tidal salmon]

killing basic mobs, HVTs, slow CC combinations etc.

[stone chasm]

cryo zhukov + bullets of mercy gk2 is a good one for swarmers/grunts

[lone lance]

single most powerful weapon with no support are probably gk2 ER memes, lol.
I N F I N I T E D P S

but that is just why you can't ignore the rest of the kit.

[shadow shoal]

Hipster with AB and blowthrough, and cryo minelets with blowthrough. Bring IFG grenades

Easily his best crowd killer

[hazy comet]

detonator zhukovs is the only single target you need on scout

[shadow shoal]

Eh, its honestly overrated

[tidal salmon]

you can also swap his secondary for the shotty if you want

i run jumbo/compact shells with either fire for the former or fear for the latter

but really you can do anything

the hipster set up is strong enough to do both grunt and HVT damage

[quaint lake]

hol up, why are you gamers fighting opressors with explosives

they have like 80% resistance to explosions

you melee those goofs

[lone lance]

doesn't embedded dets ignore petty stuff like resistances anyway?

and have transcended weakpoint damage

[quaint lake]

nah

they do deal a TYPE of damage

but what is it I don't know

[tidal salmon]

they can be boosted with IFGs tho

weird

[quaint lake]

also most powerful scout grenade is IFG

cuz +30% damage to enemies affected is not a joke

IFG and 2 Gemini Defender turrets can hold a whole chokepoint by themselves

if you have something that can take out the big bois that is

[burnt sandal]

IFG is the exception to the rules and work with anything

embedded dets do ignore resistances and such, but also any kind of debuff (outside of IFG)

[quaint lake]

goddamn warhammer bullets

[shadow shoal]

Embedded dets destroy oppressors

[next blaze]

Absolutely on eliminaton imo, though elite threat's an oddball in that most of the elites still have weakspots you want to aim for that don't benefit from embedded dets

imo the most well-rounded scout build is hoverclock blowthrough M1K and embedded dets. I actually don't use them much except for on praetorians and oppressors (and breeders if you don't have cryo grenades), but whenever any uncommon enemies show up like omen, betc, korlok, or even any bulk, I'm always glad I have them

then IFGs for proactive crowd clear and control, or cryo grenades for reactive crowd control and easy mactera kills

[quaint lake]

special powder

[hazy comet]

cryos are kinda eh unless its mactera swarm imo

most of the time you'll have a cryo driller

they only kill swarmers. you still have to kill the bugs you freeze

[next blaze]

Personally, they're just what give me that feeling of safety at all times. I can't deny IFGs are great for the team, but it's so nice to have them for emergency swarmer clear when you're stuck mining out an aquarq, or to chuck at a praetorian on top of a downed ally

or stuck in an uplink, chuck one at your feet if your team's getting overwhelmed

[quaint lake]

you will never be out of position if you use special powder

[shadow shoal]

You’ll also never be in position

[vale falcon]

Except if the position you want to be in is the Peter Griffin death one

Cuz you were going at 200km/h

[old widget]

This is why berserker is good for scout, IMO. You can spec for full mobility/exploration/hover/whatever, then come in clutch with berserker for a quick rez

(That said, I prefer the “battle scout” loadout of hipster/cryo/IFG)

Swarm clear of hipster is pretty stronk

Most effective…I won’t touch that. 😉

(Also probably heading into #drg-chat territory here I guess)

[zinc coral]

Base m1k is already pretty good that most of its OCs are just an added bonus. I believe by the numbers hipster has the most DPS but if u ask me most people spam their hipfire too fast that they end up missing a lot because of the bullet spread so it cancels out. However the large ammo it gives make it a very forgiving weapon if u dont perform well with it

[quaint lake]

DPS is all that matters

[sour raptor]

The deep dives look tough this time

[quaint lake]

did you do something?

like, left a dwarf behind

or took 2 ammo packs

[civic yoke]

this looks like a piece of cake compared by the others dives 3 weeks ago

[quaint lake]

yea, the dives are not hard, mostly cuz of the region

[sour raptor]

Yeah these are in a decent region

[median minnow]

In this case I can only assume his internet gave out

[lone lance]

oof, second 3man try at EDD stage 3, had 3 bulks lol, last one finished off the drilldozer. Just a few seconds of drilling left too, regrets all around

same as last time, had a bet-c after the refuel, in a room between heartstone and refuel room, near a swarmer wall

[zinc coral]

We had like 800 nitra by the start of hearthstone i just decided to spam resupplies and use grenades lol

[lone lance]

ooh, mineral hoarder on DD S1

4 players

[tidal spruce]

Shield disruption, haunted cave, low o2, cave leech cluster, it's like mission control is trying to kill us

[woven abyss]

he is tired of watching dwarves badly dance to copyright free music instead of making money for management, so he is taking matters into his own hands.

[civic yoke]

that dd was really easy, at least for me

[shadow shoal]

His mom said time to go to bed

[hushed spade]

i feel like someone spilled some swarmageddon on my DD stage 1

[covert plaza]

we lost 2 players halfway through stage 2 (one a leaf lover greenbeard the other just exhausted i guess), with only driller and me (engi) remaining we bunkered the hell out of that stage 2

with 8 pods at the ommoran i was just firing at the first sight of a beamer with the fat boy

[analog fossil]

we wiped on stage one in the EDD twice, just now

how are you guys dealing with the bulk in the third swarm, with the low O2?

[random path]

the bulk just spawned far away from us and we killed him before he got close to us

[analog fossil]

honestly maybe I should've just focused on popping it instead and then rev'd them afterwards

[thorn flower]

Just when I thought this week might be the first deep dive I complete I see stage two is fucking haunted

[shadow shoal]

you got this

he's a real softie

[thorn flower]

I’m really bad at kiting it and knowing where it is

[shadow shoal]

idk, kinda sounds like Leaf Lover excuses

[thorn flower]

I only got my engi promoted a week or two ago so I’m still pretty bad at the game

[shadow shoal]

whats the worst that'll happen?

just group up, either with pubs or #lfg-steam and I'm sure you'll have a great time

[thorn flower]

I almost made it just now but I was too low on ammo to fight the twin dreadnoughts

[shadow shoal]

plus, you may get more shinies for your weapons

[thorn flower]

Yea I think solo is gonna be rough for this

[shadow shoal]

solo dd's are rough, especially if you're newer and don't have all the spicy weapon OC's

[thorn flower]

Yea I think half of the few OCs I own I can’t even use because I don’t play scout and gunner much

[old widget]

Seriously, just host a deep dive yourself on #lfg-steam, hop in a voice pod if you like, advertise that it’s your first time and you’ll get so many cool people joining to help. It will be 20x more fun than drudging through with Bosco

Once you get over the hosting / voice chat hump a whole new world opens up

[pure hazel]

voice chat makes everything easier as well

communication on top of everything makes decision-making and team cooperation fluid

also we wiped on EDD stage 3 to two bulks

[warm light]

This EDD was a big one

[tidal salmon]

what does that even mean

[thorn flower]

elite deep dive i assume

[pale sigil]

this EDD was so elite and deep

[tidal salmon]

Yeah i know what edd means. I meant what does he mean by big

[atomic anchor]

Like interesting or extra tough?

[warm light]

What I mean by big is there are a LOT of bugs.

Every stage was surfing tidal wave after tidal wave of bugs.

This EDD is one where you will not stop firing for even a moment, you simply do not have the time, you need to be constantly killing bugs.

[tidal salmon]

I had an average amt of bugs

[warm light]

This week's EDD is not one for cryo drillers, cryo drillers will get obliterated.

[tidal salmon]

Apart from the unusual amount of oppressors

X to doubt

Cryo drillers can do everything

[warm light]

Not in this EDD, there are enough bugs for everyone, the bugs you freeze will thaw before your team has a chance to kill them.

[tidal salmon]

Why would you wait for your team to kill bugs that you freeze?

You can just do it yourself

[warm light]

Because there are too many bugs to do it yourself, you'll never have a moment to drill them because more never stop coming, there are enough bugs to out damage any amount of health you might gain from vampire.

The only time anyone on my team could stop firing is when we had to reload.

[pale sigil]

you sure you didn't play a modded server?

[warm light]

And during those reloads, we had to constantly dodge bugs.

[tidal salmon]

Ngl it sounds modded

[warm light]

This was EDD

[tidal salmon]

Yeah?

Many people here are veterans at edds and haz 5s

[warm light]

and?

Being a "veteran" doesn't lower the amount of glyphids in this one.

[tidal salmon]

Youre missing the point

Void and i were wondering if you had accidenrally stumbled into a modded server

[warm light]

No, this was completely vanilla.

[tidal salmon]

Because to have literally never ending glyphids on haz 5 sounds p abnormal

[warm light]

Either you played the regular dive or you got insane luck and a normal amount spawned.

[tidal salmon]

You were a 4player team i assume?

[warm light]

Yes

Why, did you solo?

[tidal salmon]

Yep

[warm light]

Maybe that's it then

[tidal salmon]

We'll see with what other people say here

[warm light]

Because by the time we finished, which you can see in #drg-gallery, we had killed over 4k glyphids.

[pale sigil]

yeah wow

biggest kill count ive seen from one

[tidal salmon]

Hm. Its still weird tho

Guess the rng gods decided that its time for armaggeddon

[warm light]

Reading upwards Jet mentions losing to two bulks on stage 3.

My stage 1 had 3 bulks spawn

two at once early on

[tidal salmon]

Oh yeah the bulks were definitely there

Had 2 for stage 2

[warm light]

stage 2 and 3 had two bulks

[tidal salmon]

But bulks are aight if you have a capable team

Ill try running cryo driller this time and see how it goes

[warm light]

Looking at my screenshots

Half the bugs we killed were on stage 3

Fun dive

We failed the first attempt on stage 1 because we forgot for a minute that it was low oxygen, so we all suffocated.

[pale sigil]

big mood

i always start to drill back and everyone starts to follow before it clicks

then it's a scramble back to molly lol

[warm light]

Yeah that's exactly what happened, I was drilling us out and then we collectively remembered.

[ivory carbon]

I died

A lot

[left musk]

First stage, got all the morkite and 5 of the 6 eggs... then died 🤪

[pale sigil]

yeah im saying Uncle was unlucky or playing in a modded lobby. That was just a normal EDD

[winter lantern]

yo

on stage 3 EDD

anything to note? in duo

(besides leeches

[lone lance]

It was with 3 players but we had a betc after the refuel, can hear her, might wanna dig ahead.

[winter lantern]

thanks

[raven grove]

I try to save a resupply for the extraction for that reason.

[old widget]

This is why I predrill a lot of the time, then you just follow molly

Look for shortcuts between chambers while going down, do a quick jog back to stitch chambers together while the crew presses on

Low O2 extraction from morkite mining is chaos no matter what tho

Almost impossible for all 4 dwarves to keep pace with molly from the button push to the pod

[slender river]

Game tip for greenbeards: In every mission, but especially in EDD don't be the Dwarf Elf who steals 3 of the 4 ammo caches from a resupply, it's leaf lover behaviour

[old widget]

Hopefully the leaf lover received some feedback on his elven ways

[slender river]

Yeah you're right, I managed to complete the EDD, the only trouble we had was the trip back to the drop-pod with the difficult terrain - and a bulk during the final stage of the escort level

[slender river]

Oh absolutely, we stood back and watched them do it after someone mysterious took 2/4 on the prior one. Worst part is that they outright denied it when asked

[lone lance]

I should have known my first EDD run were gonna go nowhere, not only were my supply stolen, my buff beer were, too.

[hushed kindle]

Not the beer! That's the worst.

[buoyant wing]

supply theft? circumstantial. Beer theft? inexcusable, execute him

[slender river]

I hear that, I'm getting sick of these thieving elves

[gentle lion]

What’s the deep dive this week?
Curious.

just tell me the second stage actually, that’s the one I’m probably most interested with

[pale sigil]

It's always in the pinned messages

[plain wharf]

what's a good solo class for the deep dives?

[slim root]

I can comfortably get through the standard DD with Engineer, and 1-2 of the levels of EDD.

I think Engineer has the best survivability in general, solo.

[quaint lake]

depends on the playstyle

scout can be..

special powder

unkillable

but you get overwhelmed as scout on EDD

so you gotta be a total crackhead

and do everything fast

[slim root]

I enjoy the scout, so I'd be interested in some tips. I just find that I spend more time zip-lining away from things than I do shooting them when solo.

[quaint lake]

are you using the special powder boomstick?

[slim root]

If Special Powder is an overclock ,I don't have it

[quaint lake]

yes, it's an OC for scout boomstick

it's VERY good

is your grapple fully upgraded for lower cooldown?

[slim root]

Yup

[quaint lake]

good

you using the G2K? cuz T5 battle frenzy on that thing is incredible

scout is not that hard, just move a lot and don't die

[slim root]

Ah, yeh I'll try the T5 change.

Yeh, I guess that's why I like the engineer. Place turrets, shoot stuff, profit.

[quaint lake]

you can't hold ground as scout

but you don't need to, cuz you can be everywhere you want at any time

[slim root]

My wife and I play scout/engineers twos. That's a lot of fun.

[quaint lake]

don't rely on the platforms much, you gotta learn the way of the mountain goat

[slim root]

I play the way of the moose.

(But, I get your point - she's usually the scout)

[gentle lion]

It’s in sandblasted corridors?
and it’s name is abandoned bottom

honestly I’ve always done engineer for deep dive so far

and don’t think that’s changing

especially not if I get RJ250

you’ll never see me again motherfu-

[pale sigil]

Yes

[gentle lion]

So

that means

the second mission is 2 dreads and haunted corridor?

oh no

OH NO

And it’s the twins too

that’s fucking fun

anyways time to bring nukes

[quaint lake]

twins are not hard doe

just jump on the lacerators head while shooting the arbalest

[gentle lion]

I’m solo

solo against twins

standard dread

[quaint lake]

twins are easier solo lol

[gentle lion]

Doesn’t seem like it

[quaint lake]

arbalest is a menace if not solo

cuz it can just switch targets randomly and shoot you

easy to dodge if it always shooting you

also don't panic when the lacerator is doing it's spike attack, it's actually very easy to dodge

[gentle lion]

I still think twins are hell

Even solo

[quaint lake]

you just need to learn how to fight them

actually since it's just a normal deep dive, so only haz3, this is a good opportunity

[gentle lion]

Deep dive are hazard 3.5, and 4 right?

[quaint lake]

no, normal deep dive, is haz 3 \ 3 \ 3.5

EDD is haz 4.5 \ 5 \ 5.5

[feral atlas]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1677015970652694131/DD1DB35D7285D984EE44DA8C528B566C686E432B/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Meh EDD; only gets bad if the gunner's crap and chokes on stage 3 if a bulk spawns

[gentle lion]

Alright

good to know

[west warren]

3/3,5/3,5 actually

[oblique meadow]

ADP is slightly off, hmm is correct.

The wiki is linked for reference and it's 3,3.5,3.5.

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_Dives

[gentle lion]

anyways this weeks deep dive should be fun

[atomic anchor]

I might try soloing the DD as scout, but I dunno how well that would turn out

Not sure whether to run ASS and embedded dets, or hipster and special powder

[trail dove]

I was doubtful whether we'd finish the EDD since our 4th guy insisted on being a 2nd scout instead of a driller, until only the two scouts managed to make it to the drop pod because of the low o2 modifer.
we also beat the EDD on first try thankfully,there were tons of bugs but we didn't have any trouble with bulks or anything.
it was my first EDD in a while so I struggled a bit but I had a lot of fun ^^

[gentle lion]

damn bro

no black box this week

sad

I liked doing it on my first ever deep dive

it was fun

[thorn flower]

I think twins are the easiest solo because it’s very hard to hit the other dread’s weak spots when they only look at you

[quaint lake]

you can jump over the classic dread and twins, the hive is kind of the hardest in that sense, and also it stalls a lot

[slender river]

Imo, I main scout & M1000 Hoverclock over special power anyday, boomstick is not worth it compared to the other secondary for killing, I've never switched it out of my kit rotation ever since getting it, it's that good, removes any potential fall damage without the need for losing ammo from the boomstick and enables goat mining further without the risk

Not saying the boomstick is bad, it's easily one of the most fun, but practicality wise compared to the zhukov - same goes for the godsend cryo grenades compared to the other options

[wet shale]

not all grenades are born equal unfortunately

[quaint lake]

boomstick is not for removing fall damage

boomstick is for the speed

[rain wing]

and removing fall damage

[quaint lake]

and it also is a completely functional weapon on top of that

[slender river]

Oh yeah I agree, I just meant that I prefer Zhukov as the grapple & Hoverclock offers more than the boomstick

And yeah plasmaghost you're unfortunately right

[quaint lake]

hoverboots would be nice if they were in the passive slot

[slender river]

Hoverboots are kinda redundant though given the aforementioned list
Definitely useful for the other classes though

[quaint lake]

just have scout instead of hoverboots, land on scout's head

yet nobody does that and it upsets me

also you can be a jump pad to your fellow dwarves with special powder, just gotta learn the timing

[slender river]

Definitely some good moments when you save a teammate from a fall by having them land on you

Followed by an immediate rock and stone afterwards

[rain raft]

Hello, I´m new ascend mate. I´ve noticed in the last three events that the column doesn´t give me any reward and I don´t know why. Anyone know why???? THANKS, ROCK AND STONE!!!!

[old widget]

You can boost other dwarves with SP? That’s nifty. Similar to RJ250? Or different mechanic?
I guess different if dwarves are jumping off your own body’s momentum

[quaint lake]

yea, the head bounce thing

[old widget]

Try #bug-discussion for troubleshooting. Rock & Stone!

[rain raft]

Thanks!

[winter lantern]

Amazingly me as Gunner and my friend as scout who is not very confident beat stage 2 of EDD

Then we got rekt on the third drill stage lol. Any tips for the third stage?

[severe tusk]

Bring more people 😄

[fierce pecan]

what's the deep dive like this week

anything big to look out for?

[hasty crystal]

Normal deep dive is a normal deep dive

Just relatively easy

Could be remembering it wrong idk

Elite deep dive was pretty brutal

3rd stage is particularly insane

[buoyant wing]

normal dd has dreadnoughts+haunted cave, not hard but annoying

[hasty crystal]

3rd stage of EDD was basically a final boss

It requires the whole teams concentration

[severe tusk]

I did the regular DD with two random but really good players, then we did the EDD right after with relative ease despite our random driller being a bit new.

[sleek crescent]

man, they really do want morkite

[zealous pond]

so many bulks on that EDD

had a clutch team though and we made it through

also the terrain in stage 2 was not pleasant

[ashen patrol]

classic 4 bulk edd by second stage 😎

i inted the 2 leeches in the top cavern of stage 2 that stage is so gunked

[winter lantern]

For solo EDD, engi or gunner?

[civic yoke]

i would say engi, you will not have enough ziplines for that morkite

[mellow cove]

You'll have enough Bosco for that

[kind grail]

I prefer platforms over zip lines, and u get a lot more of them

So engi

[shrewd bane]

anyone else encounter a bet-c in the edd

[tidal salmon]

Yep

[tidal spruce]

that haunted cave elim was painful

[next stirrup]

Is it in dd or edd

[buoyant wing]

dd

[next stirrup]

Jesus why

[tidal spruce]

classic + ghost decided to stay in the same room

ghost triggered the classic

couldn't kite the ghost away from the classic

in the end, me as engi, ended up kiting the ghost in circles in the classic room whilst the gunner + driller went to kill the twins

[buoyant wing]

I tried to kite the classic away into the neighboring room but the ghost caught up

[tidal spruce]

i died like 3 seconds before they killed the twins, so i told them to just run

[buoyant wing]

I think the ghost blocked my ice+axe combo

[tidal spruce]

i managed to kite the classic through an entire tunnel, right back into his room

also, the double spitballer + brood nexus in the classic room was hell to deal with without hitting the cocoon

also, another thing. Third mission, driller says: "thank god, this last mission is easy". We get out of the droppod and theirs a bulk on the wall behind us

pain

[warm light]

alright so I just talked to my friend

and

[buoyant wing]

the order of the dreadnoughts you fight is in order of the cocoons you pop

[tidal spruce]

ye

[buoyant wing]

the classic/twin room can be any room

[tidal spruce]

well

the one with the nexus

pain

[buoyant wing]

I don't even remember the nexus

[tidal spruce]

DD stage one has a guaranteed huuli though

[warm light]

He was accidentally running the starship troopers mod while doing our EDD

[buoyant wing]

no huuli solo

[tidal spruce]

oh

[tidal spruce]

pain

[warm light]

so I have no idea what the EDD is suppose to be like

But hey we did beat it

[buoyant wing]

the EDD is fine

[tidal spruce]

[buoyant wing]

stage 3 is dicey because of the drilldozer babysitting+leechfest

[warm light]

during stage 3 I drilled head to clear out the caves

You especially want to scout ahead during EDDs when stage 3 is an escort

gets so much out of the way

[gentle lion]

failed the deep dive

got my ass handed to me the first time because of your local eldritch fucking horror

and the second time because of the arbalest

[pale sigil]

I knew it. That's so funny tho 😂

Regarding the EDD, I found stage 2 the hardest because of the terrain, but then again I was gunner and my team was kinda braindead

[hazy seal]

got through the DD first try with an Engi, Gunner, and Scout.

[sonic tulip]

Jesus, DD stage 2 was just too much for my crew. First dead + ghost was hard enough, but we all got demolished at the twins-

[zenith plank]

driller C4d everyone else stage one of DD, got us all back up and then dipped

finished the whole thing tho

[buoyant wing]

dangerously based

literally

[normal cloud]

DD stage two really messed me up

[hard pebble]

i got to 2nd stage of EDD then host crashed

[ebon bloom]

Whoops! all morkite!

[chrome fractal]

Late reply, but I recommend either Engineer or Gunner. Both have the fire power to deal with anything that comes their way, and Bosco can mine everything.

[chrome fractal]

You should always pickaxe/drill ahead to all of the rooms if the last stage of an EDD is a drilldozer. Let's you deal with pesky cave leeches and collect minerals so that way when you start up Doretta, refueling is quick and easy.

When you're defending the drill at the heartstone, be liberal with shields. Throw em on the sides of the drilldozer so your friend can repair it through the damage and you can kill the bugs.

Insane amount of Wardens, so make sure to focus them as soon as you can. Can lead to Doretta getting overwhelmed real quick.

[trail dove]

is burning hell + volatile bullets good to bring on an EDD or is it too risky? I find myself having to reposition a lot when using it and often using up shields/incendiary grenades quickly

[leaden cypress]

Anything is fine on an EDD as long as you know what you're doing

If i did it with bullet hell + magic bullet, anything better than that should do the job

[slender river]

Yeah all of this concern of the 2nd EDD should be resolved with even a semi-competent scout

Just that first EDD journey back to the drop-pod is an issue with the 02 and difficult terrain to follow the mule

[old widget]

Also, in addition to the predrill tip, don’t open up dotty’s initial drop pod cage while you predrill. Bugs can’t hit her if the cage isn’t open (though they can still suicide if they happen to somehow touch her idle drill)

[hybrid violet]

What's wrong with bullet hell? oO

[vast mirage]

People incorrectly think it’s bad for some reason. But nothings wrong with it. Just don’t take blow though/catg they are terrible.

[graceful lodge]

Dreadnought hunt + haunted isn’t a very nice experience for a greenbeard’s first solo DD

[barren isle]

As I recently learned as a not-greenbeard, somehow dreadnoughts make me completely forget about the ghost bulk

[quaint lake]

boosted greenbeard to graybeard transformation

[tiny latch]

on my solo dd i think i cratered once and then dread got me

tried to kite past the horror and made sure to have enough shield to get through it taking a hit

[rough kite]

Dread + Ghost is just bad times in general

[somber owl]

Did anyone else have BetC on EDD Stage 3? I watched the dev stream and they didn't have it. I thought BetC was seeded but I guess not.

[azure wraith]

yeah I don't think it's seeded

[fresh escarp]

Anyone up for the EDD on Xbox/Windows

[plain wharf]

jesus why were there so many bulk detonators on EDD

I counted 6 total

[vale falcon]

They love you

[graceful lodge]

They want to give you a warm hug

[ivory cypress]

About how many leeches are in the last stage of the EDD?

[civic yoke]

yes

[hybrid violet]

I think it's awesome! But I'm indeed running both blow through and catg. My current general purpose build is 32312 for basically everything except dreads. Could you explain why blow through is bad? I get it why catg is bad and basically never take it on my other builds.

[plain wharf]

roughly 15 or so,

[burnt sandal]

because if you want to go for damage, you're better off with Armor Break on bullet hell because of the 20% reduction damage of light armor. In my opinion, blowthrough is overrated and it's quite situational. It also tends to do a lot of FF.

Bullet hell really shines with the stun mod though. You can completely stun a whole wave and keep the bugs from even getting near you or your team. Eventually, if you run Aggressive Venting, you can just keep stunning the wave until you overheat, and if you're close enough, you'll be killing a lot of enemies on top of the consistent CC.

[hybrid violet]

Alright, 20% thing is new for me 😄
I'll definitely try both stun and AV here.
What is FF?

[burnt sandal]

Friendly Fire

[hybrid violet]

Ah yeah, good point. I already thought about it, but kinda missed that blow through is not essential for this build

[burnt sandal]

Since you don't control the ricochet, you'll be hitting a lot of armor. Light armor (the basic grunt armor) reduces incoming damage by 20%. Heavy armor completely negates damage until it breaks. With armor break, you'll be hitting armor a lot less and gain a significant damage boost overall.

[hybrid violet]

So either armor + hot bullets or stun + AV?

[burnt sandal]

Also, thanks to bullet hell, you already have innate blowthrough. There's nothing wring with trying to double down on it but I think it's less good than Armor Break or Stun in my opinion ^^

[burnt sandal]

I prefer AV over hot bullets but yeah, both will probably work better

[hybrid violet]

Cool, thanks!
I have legendary gunner and it turns out I know nothing 😄

[burnt sandal]

it's the hardest content in the game so yeah, it's fairly hard.

Should be doable if you're used to haz 4 or 5 though.

[hybrid violet]

Even H6 sometimes 😄

[burnt sandal]

Heh, it's okay. Not everyone has the same depth of knowledge. Besides, this is just my opinion. A lot of people would say the opposite of what I'm saying 🤣

then you should be fine. Just play a bit safer and faster and it'll be okay

don't let yourself get cornered by bugs, try to stick with your team

[vast mirage]

Just saw this and saw that @burnt sandal answered more or less the same way I would have. Stun/AV/Elephant rounds very strong/survivable. Armor Break/Hot bullets/volatile bullets very good offense build if you have a good driller to guard you.
Here is a video with haz 6 double enemies crazy numbers showing what bullet hell/stun/av can survive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIAoP9OWSbU
Edit: Build here https://karl.gg/preview/4182 with a small guide in the description.

Double Edit: Oh and I didn't explain why blowthrough/catg is bad on it. Bullet hell lowers your actual bullet damage considerably, and blowthrough/catg are both mods that rely on bullet damage. Whereas Hot Bullets/Armor Break/Stun all proc on hit which means they scale better with number of bullets rather than bullet damage, so they lean into bullet hell's strong suite which is adding a lot of bullets. AV doesn't really scale with the number of bullets it just happens to have synergy with stunning lots of enemies and building up a pile of stunned bugs near you.

[hybrid violet]

Awesome video, that was VERY cool 😄

[quaint lake]

I am pretty sure Turret EM Discharge engineer can survive anything

if you are playing it smart

[dry charm]

management really wants to see us all rot down there

dreads and a ghost

despicable

[quaint lake]

forgot that you have dash 70% of the time in that video, classic

[vast mirage]

I try pretty hard not to use it in case I need it “later”. So most of the time yeah I just wind up not using it, or using it to cross an empty room when there’s no bugs.

[quaint lake]

you need to really use it as a panic button

25 sec cooldown is pretty small

[rugged basin]

if you get caught in a bad spot in haz6x2 it can very quickly be the end of your run
good idea to keep dash off cooldown

[zinc coral]

Yeah, 25 secs is quite a long time at that difficulty and is easily the difference between getting overrun or not

[tight sequoia]

i was doing solo EDD, first mission i was going down the second corridor, look behind me, boom a detonator spawns right there, i run ahead and then another detonator spawns but this time in front of me

wish i could say i survived but i did not

[ashen patrol]

ive had 15 wardens in edd

wth is happening

21 wardens and 2 bulks on dotty

this week wasnt hard except for second stage but i dont hink ive ever had worse spawns

[wraith shard]

I want to know who thought it was a good idea to have the haunted mode. Literally every other challenge modifier can actually be enjoyed except for this stupid haunted crap

[barren isle]

we should give him a name

[wraith shard]

"dickhead"

[vale falcon]

hey dont be rude to larry

he didnt asked to be cursed

[wraith shard]

"hey that dickhead is on the way"

[quaint lake]

is good modifier, coders just need to stop being lazy and git gud

reusing content andys

[old widget]

The ghost definitely brings a different kind of pressure. On morkite mining primary missions in particular it really spices things up. (That EDD stage a couple weeks back with morkite mining, BETC, and classic dread comes to mind)

[tall heath]

So I've got a baby, and I only get to play while my wife is watching her. So she's doing bedtime, and I decide to do this week's EDD. Everything is going fine, we get to the third stage, the baby gets to bed early, and my wife comes in and starts taking her clothes off (it's been 4 months). Deeply conflicted, I end up choosing my wife. I rush back as soon as I can just in time to see the rest of my team die while trying to protect dotty. I've never felt such a mixture of satisfaction, horror, and embarrassment!

[deft jetty]

im sure its fine, i would understand. being a father aint easy.

[tight mauve]

why does every single mission have morkite

not a bad thing because it makes it a lot easier to do but why

[gentle lion]

family always comes first.

[wraith shard]

I honestly think its a garbage modifier. its an overused trope in games and a lazy copout way of creating a sense of urgency

[keen raptor]

which class would yall say is the best for soloing the EDD?

[burnt sandal]

I honestly think all classes are good, but scout might be a tad harder if you have to do blackboxes I guess.

[keen raptor]

fair enough

[slender river]

Fundamentally all classes have the ability to solo the DD/EDD - with the exception of escort missions
As Scout your survivability is incredible, however you could lack the necessary firepower to keep the drill alive

And as this EDD's third mission is an escort you might have a problem

[keen raptor]

well thank you for the response, i usually avoid solo scout because combat becomes a pain so im glad to know that im sorta right lol

[oak jay]

Finally another person running 21:9, such a breath of fresh air filling the screen 😆

[slender river]

No worries mate, and I agree

[fierce pecan]

stage 1 of this deep dive is really fun

mining a massive cave with low gravity as a special powder scout is amazing

[fierce pecan]

first attempt got me a 45:55

[haughty orchid]

yeah stage 1 was a really interesting map - i really enjoy that biome overall

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[vernal saddle]

but I don't wanna do a haz 5.5 cave leech cluster doretta

[vale falcon]

then dont forget to pay up to mission control

[vague sun]

doing part 2 of the normal deep dive, one dreadnought down

both dreads down

survived part 2

that got stressful

deep dive complete

[shadow shoal]

Hell yeah

[graceful lodge]

[thorn crater]

Solo scout EDD was great until the very end of the last stage this week. Is it even possible? Or an even better question, have any scouts solo'd this weeks EDD?

[gentle lion]

So I did really good on the deep dive every objective completed

but the drop pod spawned in a BS spot I couldn’t get to

I died.

whatever, not doing again for a fucking cosmetic.
Besides, I got basically all of the pay I could’ve.

(And more importantly the matrix cores I care about.)

[hazy comet]

drop pods spawning in really bad spots is really common. if you can try playing with a driller it makes everything braindead

[burnt sandal]

you can always get to the drop pod, one way or another, if you have enough time. the problem is usually staying alive while doing so

[gentle lion]

yes

I got swarmed to death

because I was on my last revive

And was using fat boys

[raven grove]

There we go, beat EDD on the third try

[quaint lake]

all ya fatboy users

I once was a fatboy user like you, but then I learned to love RJ250

[tacit jungle]

how spicy is the current EDD? in 4 player, I mean

[quaint lake]

it's alright

third stage is kinda wack

but you can drill ahead easy

[raven grove]

Yeah, it's pretty close to a straight line

I had a lot more trouble in stage two. All those leeches hiding among the crystals.

[old widget]

Stage 2 was worst IMO, cavegen is pretty bad in the biggest chamber, mostly fighting the map.

Make driller earn his sandwiches and clean things up and it’s fine

Heartstone room is huge on stage 3 and pretty easy to defend

Predrill helps with all the leeches if you wanna play safe in S3

[tidal salmon]

weird. i can barely remember what happened for the EDD

[old widget]

Too many blackout stouts eh

[tidal salmon]

maybe

[shy vector]

My experience had stage 2 and 3 as a constant wave of enemies. It also didn't help that we didn't have much room to work with in the 2nd stage's second cavern. We set up shop in the middle, which was a mistake due to the brood nexus in the cavern above us. We only got through the second stage due to our driller, and the drilldozer died on the third stage due to the endless swarm. The Cave Leech Clusters were annoying, but hardly the issue with us.

[trail dove]

did edd again for funsies as driller this time, 1st and 2nd stages went smoothly since we drilled passages to the drop pod ahead of time for 1st stage and made sure not to fight in the 2nd stage's 2nd chamber, but in 3rd stage we predrilled but only cleared the 2nd chamber because we thought we could handle the journey to the 3rd one for some reason

we couldn't lmao

[lone lance]

Fun with Bet-c on the way to the hearthstone?

[old widget]

We didn’t get a bet-c with 4p

[inner plover]

Hi Guys, I'm looking for a few spanish people to play DRG with, if anyone knows anyone just send me mp please

[lone lance]

Think I saw a link in #fan-communities

[burnt sandal]

https://discord.gg/kHSZXzz

[inner plover]

Thx man!

Hi Guys, I'm looking for a few chinese people to play DRG with, if anyone knows anyone just send me mp please

I didn't see anything in #fan-communities

[neat forum]

Same, had it with 3p tho

[flat dirge]

From spanish to chinese?

[inner plover]

A man has to have a few strings to his bow 😄

[old widget]

Cool. This is a great example of a small detail that some folks overlook in DD/EDD: BET-C spawn chance does not directly scale based on player count, but rather its RNG is simply /influenced by/ player count

[lone lance]

Had it in both my runs, but more importantly, Betty almost running over a bet-c is just the kind of information I figure this discord room is for!

[buoyant wing]

no

[trail dove]

oh nah, I didn't run into bet-c in the two times I reached stage 3

Tbh it was my fault that the run ended lmao, the swarms overwhelmed us during the journey to the heartstone and I died trying to revive scout, so I used up IW to revive scout and engie and dashed back to doretta, then before I knew it engie was dead and scout (the only silver rank+ on our team) died defending doretta.
I was the last man standing and used up my remaining ammo to defend dotty instead of using it to help out my teammates, I was panicking since I barely got out of that chamber alive but that was a huge mistake to make 🥲 maybe I could've saved the run if I revived the gunner so he could use his shield lol

also Dotty's hp was always at 100% during stage 3, I've yet to check if it's the same on normal missions though

[odd comet]

That's a known bug

[slim root]

I can't be the first to say it, but please let it be known: soloing dreadnoughts in a haunted cave sucks balls.

[raven grove]

Any mission with haunted sucks balls. There is no fun mission with haunted.

[slim root]

I'd have to agree with that. My regular play group avoids them if at all possible.

[vast mirage]

I don’t find it to be very impactful usually. Unless it’s like 4 egg tiny map. Even then just bring 1 electric weapon and keep it moving super slow.

[raven grove]

Oh it isn’t remotely unbeatable, it just turns the mission into an irritating chore.

[rough kite]

The ghost creates a dangerous wandering no-go zone that you constantly have to avoid. This can be anywhere between trivial and cancerously painful depending on the terrain gen.

[slim root]

Wait... electricity can slow down the haunted bug?

[rough kite]

AFAIK all debuffs work on the ghost

It just can't take damage or die

[slim root]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-amazed-explosion-space-omg-gif-10279314

[rough kite]

I think you can even freeze it for a moment

[raven grove]

Yeah, sticky flames work fine too.

[slim root]

Could someone with a slowing weapon kite it?

Or does it not have an aggro table?

[vast mirage]

Yes electricity makes it very slow. Stubby can burst it now and then and make it pretty harmless.

I use electro mines on gunner brt a lot so I tend to have that available. Also works very well since it has so much ammo.

[slim root]

I'm just going to say that today was ok - I was reasonably productive, my wife came home safe, and we had a fun evening. With that context, knowing now that I can slow the ghost is the best thing that's happened today.

(Don't freak out, it's facetious hyperbole. But, thanks for the info 🙂 )

[haughty orchid]

yeah ghost bug was a challenge but not awful during this week's DD. just need to be mindful of where you engage the dreads - make sure you've set up whatever mobility you can (zips, platforms, drill paths) before popping the egg

but yeah way more difficult i'd imagine if yer solo

[mighty pawn]

im just glad we got haunted + dreads on normal and not elite

[neat forum]

it is dangerous to kite it, but possible

you can return aggro to yoursellf if you make it stomp (what is obviously death sentence if you dont fall back in time)

[old widget]

Shooting it doesn’t gain its aggro though, in my experience

If you keep your distance it seems to change aggro somewhat randomly (but usually with some minimum amount of aggro time)

Neurotoxin is my favorite ghost slow method, lasts a nice long time

[ruby epoch]

So- when are we deep diving on the hoxxes moon boys?

[hasty kite]

doing a solo DD now

https://karl.gg/preview/4290

using this build. we'll see how it goes

[hasty kite]

stage 1 was great, didnt even need a resupply

stage 2 is gonna suck

haunted dred missions...

[tidal spruce]

yes

have fun

[daring geode]

Dont mess this up like your former colleagues

[cursive vine]

I hope you know what you've signed up for

[hasty kite]

made it

i never died but it was still super tough

took fuckin forever too

[hasty kite]

this biuld worked super well

I like it a lot

i didnt even switch off field medic so i only had one active that i never used (iron will)

TOok me an hour but I finished the DD w/ no deaths. Very clean, combat mobility rules

[patent cliff]

Haunted & Low O2
Now we're cookin'

[weak nebula]

.

[upbeat obsidian]

Tried the deep dive with a buddy who I regularly duo Haz 4 with and normally do the deep dive each week together.
Dread and Haunted cave was too much for him, so he got flustered, frustrated, and then when we failed, he didn't want to make another attempt later in the week even. He really, really hates haunted cave.
Solo'd it tonight instead, and it's a shame we didn't get another try, because the cave it's in is so generous for space.

The only real problem we had was that he was trying to kite the ghost through some of the long tunnels that looped around, and the Dread kept switching aggro and wanting to follow him, which got me trapped by a wind tunnel, and then him trapped when he wanted to revive.

[gleaming wren]

huh, a lot of people struggled with the 2nd stage of the DD it seems

[upbeat obsidian]

tl;dr, there's plenty of space in this week's DD to kite the ghost and still fight the dread(s). Just don't get trapped in tight spaces and use the space you are given.

[gleaming wren]

Guess it's understandable, haunted caves is probably one of the more painful mutators

[upbeat obsidian]

I think it's less that a lot of people are struggling, since most players who don't have an issue with it don't tell you about it, but imo there are a lot of players who make a conscious decision to avoid Haunted Cave, so when it's in a DD, it's pure pain

[gleaming wren]

ah, I see

[upbeat obsidian]

Haunted Cave is one of those hazards that when you are starting out is pure stress and anxiety, but once you encounter it in an EDD, or in harder levels, or are forced to learn to deal with it, it's really not so bad. A few above have pointed out that it's just a roaming no-go zone. It's slow and predictable, you just have to be aware

[gleaming wren]

I guess it's an intimidation factor

[upbeat obsidian]

I think it is intimidation factor in general, even outside of a dive. Most players won't play it enough to learn how to deal with it, given the choice. Then when it's in a dive, they want the rewards, so they're confronted with their old nemesis George xD

[gleaming wren]

lol, in that case it's completely understandable xD

I will say that that stage did take me considerable longer to complete than I normal take, since working around the ghost does slow things down

[upbeat obsidian]

As long as you have room to work, even solo, Dread + Haunted Cave is just time. Waves don't spawn, so it's just attrition as long as you focus on not being dead

[gleaming wren]

I also spent quite a while breaking down pillars and even digging down a hill to make a flat open area next to one of the eggs to make things easier

[upbeat obsidian]

Yeah, I took a while in there as well, but I only used three resupplies for the whole dive, and I probably didn't even need two of them. Called one at the end of stage 1 just to be prepared for 2 and one at the end of 3 because why not? Left a ton of nitra on the walls in stage 3, and I had hundreds to spare.
Apart from kiting a ghost bulk, this week's dive is pretty easy, barring the time factor that Haunted Cave adds

[gleaming wren]

probably over-prepared tbh, but I'd rather over-preparedness than not being prepared enough

[upbeat obsidian]

I think clearing some of those pillars is a good idea, as long as you aren't using them for anything. They're a bit of a deathtrap in places if you want to kite the Dread and have room to avoid George

If I was playing Engi, I probably would have put platforms on some of them to have a space for rapid traversal off of the ground, otherwise they're mostly a hindrance

[gleaming wren]

I was doing a duo for this week's DD and EDD, with me playing scout and my friend playing engineer. I think between us we used around 6 resupplies in the DD, used 2 at the start of the 2nd stage, 2 at end of the stage, and then 2 more in the middle of the third stage.

Both George and the Dreadnoughts really liked my friend so he spent most of the time kiting while I shots the dreads xD

[upbeat obsidian]

Definitely more call for resupplies for an engineer (and a duo team) in this DD.
I was playing solo scout with blowthrough M1K, and avoiding a lot of the spawns for the sake of speed.

[gleaming wren]

Fair, Engineer is definitely a class that needs ammo fairly frequently imo.

[upbeat obsidian]

Especially in the large, open caves in this week's DD. I saved a lot of ammo by being scout and just ordering Bosco to go get everything xD

[gleaming wren]

Bosco truly is the most efficient for saving ammo xD

[upbeat obsidian]

Ammo and time. I used to laugh seeing lobbies in the server browser named "Please be better than Bosco." but it's a reasonable request to ask of random players looking to join xD

[gleaming wren]

understandable tbh xD

Bosco is pretty useful though all things considered

not exactly the most reliable friend for saving you from leeches though

[tidal salmon]

hes a good mining buddy

[radiant granite]

he's strong for awkward minerals but way weaker in terms of firepower than having another person

and amounts of bugs per wave are the same between 1-2 people

[gleaming wren]

I almost never bother using him for mining stuff lol, but it's probably because I play scout and can easily get to 99% of minerals

probably veering too off-topic here though, this is meant for talking about deep dives not bosco :p

[tidal salmon]

He is a very weak combatant tho

[upbeat obsidian]

Bosco good for time if your objective isn't held back by killing stuff, but bad if you do have to kill stuff quickly to progress. Mining/Egg and Aquarq/Mining DD objectives are bosco country.

[gleaming wren]

true, he does help with grabbing eggs and aquarqs by quite a bit

especially on crystalline caverns, magma core, and radioactive exclusion zone

[digital viper]

If Bosco gets an update they really should rework him so he can be built to complement solo Scout. As of now Bosco is best as a Scout surrogate for other classes but has atrocious combat performance no matter how you build him.
You really should be able to build Bosco for respectable hordeclear in exchange for removing his ability to mine / light up places. That way Scout can actually complement him and other classes will have to choose between utility and combat prowess.

[gleaming wren]

as for using him for combat... though he doesn't do much on his own against most enemies, I found him to work well as providing fire support, and using his cyro rockets to freeze certain dangerous enemies like spitballers, can really help save ammo in the long term.

[quaint lake]

just use See you in hell + Vampire combo in DD to literally never die to anything

see you in hell pickaxe hit one-shots grunts in the face

also, bout haunted modifier, it's bad cuz it relies on the randomly generated map layout which is a terrible game design, mixed with the lazy programming so the horror for some reason has collision and is still affected by the random effects

you also don't get any notification when it targets you, which is awful as well

[safe gulch]

Not sure if this is intentional or not, but it's possible to debuff the ghost using neurotoxin, forcing it to slow down and give everyone extra breathing time

[quaint lake]

it's neither intentional or a bug, they just reused the bulk code

[safe gulch]

Swt, I was like... "Wait a second, why am I seeing orange cloud coming from the ghost"

[quaint lake]

really wish they start caring about small details like that sometime soon, maybe even remove collision and add some more voicelines for when the dwarf passes through the ghost

[tidal salmon]

hmm i think bosco's fine for where he stands

as for how scout can swarm clear. You can. You just gotta apply some neat little tricks

but of course. some missions will be harder to complete

fortunately theyre also missions that take a relatively long time to do even in a team

looking at you escort

[gleaming wren]

Scout's swarm clearing is slow because his mobility allows him to survive any amount of enemies if he has enough space to work with

[tidal salmon]

what? he has slow swarm clear speed naturally because of very little aoe options

[gleaming wren]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying

I meant that because he is so mobile and able to avoid enemies nearly indefinitely, he has slow swarm clearing speed and low aoe options.

[tidal salmon]

So thats from a design choice perspective. I mean yeah. Its just natural balancing

Was just confused as why you would even mention something like this

[gleaming wren]

I'm mentioning it because I don't think giving bosco swarm clearing abilities for solo scouts would be a good idea, since to me it'd essentially be removing the only thing the scout is really weak at.

[tidal salmon]

Ah ok. For me it would be because bosco was never meant to be a player. Just support. So having him mine stuff is great

Not saying that he cant be improved tho. I wouldnt mind bosco having to prioritse enemies based on healthpools

So firing upon swarmers first

That will be nice

[gleaming wren]

agreed, I'd love to see bosco improved, especially on his ai

[severe tusk]

Embedded Detonators on the SMG can be decently effective at clearing bugs if you get them to clump together and spread out your fire between targets for maximum effect before reloading to detonate. IFG grenades can help with this both because they increase damage and also because it makes it easier to strafe around the bugs to keep them clumped up.

[tidal salmon]

Ed for wave clearing

Truly a based idea

But no. Id rather use blowthrough zhuks with the field damage boost

Its more effective and ammo efficient

But better still. Id use phosphorous rounds to do everything for me

because fire spreads

[gleaming wren]

hm, you know, I was going to argue that embedded detonators would be too ammo inefficient to reliably use for wave clearing, but then I remembered that on solo you have more than enough nitra and resupplies to keep yourself topped up for a long time

so for solo I can see using it to some effectiveness

[tidal salmon]

Ifg + shotty phosphorous rounds

Very good swarm clear

With decent speed

You can use fs fear to keep the bugs closer for longer as well

The DoT spread and damage will finish off the grunts

[severe tusk]

I guess I didn't catch your whole conversation, didn't know you were talking about solo.

[tidal salmon]

Guards and praets are to be kept alive for maximum pain to bugs

[gleaming wren]

ah, yeah we've been mostly focusing on solo here xd

in mulitplayer I leave swarm clearing to my compatriots

and mostly handle priority targets

[tidal salmon]

As all team scouts should

All is well and good

[severe tusk]

Me too generally, but when the team goes down and you have to finish the wave off as scout to revive them, I've gotten pretty good at using Embedded Detonators for that purpose. But I am also one of those boring players who just uses the same general loadout for almost everything.

same

[gleaming wren]

damn my discord is acting iffy and not sending messages now

[gleaming wren]

honestly sounds like a good setup, I usually run cyro grenades though, love them way too much to easily switch from them :p

[gleaming wren]

I mean, there's nothing wrong with running the same loadout if that's what you want to do, if it works for you, keep doing I'd say.👍

my discord died for a minute there lol

[mellow cove]

Can't you just use embedded dets with blowthrough for wave clear
Afaik blowthrough will cause two internal explosions and it still gets multiplied by IFG

[tidal salmon]

Its really overkill

[severe tusk]

I used to only run cryo grenades too, and they are still great, but I think I actually prefer IFG now except for mactera plagues.

[tidal salmon]

Cryo setups are great for emergency denials,support and hvt killing. But for swarm clear, phosphorous rounds would be the winner imo

Esp if youre going solo

Or if you go carry mode

[mellow cove]

Cryo is decent for swarm clear, especially against swarmers

Might work well with blowthrough m1k, never tried

[neat forum]

Both cryo and IFG works great with blowthtough, since allow you to line up more, but IFG is better, giving you much more time for that

[tidal salmon]

Like i said. The only reason why phosphorous rounds beats out cryo is because the onfire status spreads to other mobs. Has the added benefit of being more ammo efficient in general, dealing large amounts of DoT when youre kiting mobs in the ifg fields. Added bonus of auto killing swarmers

[gleaming wren]

yeah I won't argue with you there, ifgs and phosphorous are definitely the go-to for swarm clearing

[tidal salmon]

They touch something thats on fire. They die instantly lmao

[mellow cove]

It's not as much about time as about affecting mote bugs
With cryo one cluster of bugs get frozen but other bugs quickly cover them, IFG just slows everything else that goes into it

[tidal salmon]

You can clear an entire swarm with AV gunner by just baiting all the mobs to crowd around you on a zipline and setting them all on fire

[mellow cove]

Sounds like an easy but not very ammo efficient way

[tidal salmon]

Is prob the most common tactic in h6x2 or h5p4 runs

Its actually highly ammo efficient you get to just wait for the DoT to do everything. You dont even have to take it from me either. There are vids out there that show this

I dont think many players here even know that fire spreads

[mellow cove]

I know how it works, but in my experience I'd kill more bugs before overheating rather than procing AV on purpose

Guess I don't have enough bugs for it to be efficient

[neat forum]

How is it supposed to work with 4 people?

If gunner gets on Zipline bugs will just attack other 3

And if you mean for all 4 people to get on zip then I have never seen it on h5p4 in 500 hours

[tidal salmon]

Oh uh. I mean like its modded

H5 scaled to 4p

[neat forum]

I see

[tidal salmon]

Ye

(I can alr hear the mods scramble for the delete buttons)

[quaint lake]

mods are cul now

but don't talk bout them much, so people don't get confused

[obtuse owl]

What's the current deep dive?

oh nvm

pins

[trail dove]

finally beat the edd again 😆 bringing neurotoxin grenades instead of axes really helped with edd stage 2 and stage 3

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[thorny kernel]

if there is doretta on it I will scream

[random rampart]

maybe you should start now

theres escort in deep dives almost 99% of the times lmao

[jaunty crag]

I bet 10 magnite, theres gonna be another haunted caves mission xd

[shadow shoal]

Haunted cave escort

[halcyon umbra]

No

[trail dove]

Just curious, has that happened before?

[neat forum]

DD is not here yet and someone is already complaining! Faster than light

[neat forum]

Haunted cave warning cannot be on salvages and escorts

[shadow shoal]

Sadly

[jaunty crag]

damn

if only

[burnt sandal]

the first ever DD on the experimental build had a haunted cave mining mission in the REZ as the first mission

right away, it was spelling it for disaster

[jaunty crag]

👀

[flat dirge]

well better be a literature teacher and correct the spelling

[wind pelican]

Every time ive done the elite dive for this week molly gets stuck either in the drop pod (and gets sent to the top of the drop shaft) or the ground (and falls to the bottom of the world) in the first mission (which is low o2 so we all suffocate nad die)

[trail dove]

I'd love to see a playthrough of that

[gentle lion]

If there’s a haunted caves dreadnought again

I’m legit just not doing it

Last weeks was fucking hell

[jaunty crag]

Oof

[gentle lion]

If there’s a escort duty I may stick around

But not haunted escort

that’s like trying to kill a bulk

but you can’t

[burnt sandal]

you probably can find something on the internet tbh 😄

[radiant obsidian]

elf

[pale dust]

Final stage of EDD. Escort, BET-C up ahead. Doretta stears close but looks like we'll get by without triggering.

Leech grabs driller. Team shoots leech. Leech drops driller on BET-C 🥳

[left geode]

We cleaned up all the leeches before starting the escort

[stray pivot]

anyone wanna help me( a scout or engi or driller) and my gunner pal get thru the elite deep dive?

itll be a great help, we can never complete the elite dives

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[west merlin]

My GF (Scout) and me (any class) are gonna try in a few hours but it's our 2nd EDD attempt

[shadow shoal]

Shoot me a ping when yall are going in and I’d be willing to join

[vale lintel]

EDD this week is infuriating to most teams I come across

for some reason people don't like combined length 3 complexity 4 low O2

[patent cliff]

Need to get nitra faster : P

[wind pelican]

Im not that good at this game :P

[patent cliff]

I really enjoyed this week's EDD, did it once with each class

[wind pelican]

Its no biggy if i cant get this weeks edd done, ill do next weeks

[vast mirage]

I just found it tedious

[formal summit]

looking to do elite deep dive

[dreamy dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459404391343063040/881288217146585128/20210828231925_1.jpg

I'm back in business

[gleaming wren]

I gotta say that the 3rd stage for EDD was surprisingly fun and not too hard despite playing scout for escort, honestly was fully expecting me and my friend to die before reaching the heartstone. Somehow we only lost a single segment of Doretta, and we only lost that segment mostly due to the sheer number of rocks spawning at once, and got out relatively unscathed.
With Doretta's head brought back with us of course

[vivid torrent]

I hate molly taking weird shortcuts after calling the pod like come on, I'm getting choked and swarmed and she just chute through the ceiling on the 1st stage

[tacit jungle]

that was quite a cave leech cluster

can't imagine doing it without predrilling

[polar orbit]

bro this elite deep dive

triggering lol

[lone lance]

Sometimes I catch myself thinking "man I hope molly doesn't use this" when making shortcuts, ha.

But not making weird shortcuts is definetively something to keep in mind for low O2.

[quaint lake]

man, why do I do this to myself
https://youtu.be/IWdNQw4CpHs
https://youtu.be/NScuJyinZZs

[neat forum]

Also thinking before pressing button helps

No point to blame molly on low O2 if you pressed button at the bottom of pit

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[dreamy dragon]

Anyone hyped for new dives?

[flat dirge]

Weird hype, but ok.

[lone lance]

The feeling is more "so what bullshit do we have to deal with this week". but i like the pain, haha.

[leaden cypress]

Hype to do 4 escorts

[lone lance]

Escort egg hunt

Or are Escort dreadnoughts an option

[burnt sandal]

I don't think it's a possible combination, for obvious reasons

[neat forum]

Should have shot him in mid air! What is the scout doing!

P.S. I am not even sure that betc will stay still if dead body were to land on it

[lone lance]

Karl deep dives. Escort, doretta starts herself and are running over the eggs.

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[azure fog]

radioactive exclusion zone

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Crazy Skull
Stage 1: 4 Eggs + 📡 1 Black Box | Volatile Guts Exploder Infestation
Stage 2: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | Shield Disruption
Stage 3: 7 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Crying Nightfall
Stage 1: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 225 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Swarmageddon
Stage 3: 10 Aquarq + 150 Morkite | Parasites

[lucid grove]

magma AND rads? fuck...

[lone lance]

Crying Nightfall, Mission Control is not completely over his ex yet :(

[jaunty crag]

yikes, magma and first mission is exploder infestation

[lucid grove]

no its exploder AND volatile

[jaunty crag]

Oooh boi

[lone lance]

4 engis. Make your own floor.

[lucid grove]

its like the first mission was sponsored by TORGUE...

[lone lance]

Just gotta rush the black box before too much of the floor becomes lava I suppose

It rarely comes up so imma mention that you can pickaxe/drill hot rock to remove it, handy in a pinch.

[uncut raptor]

yo DD in magma core? sweet

[lone lance]

It is xp you need, not missions completed. #drg-chat

Anyone in the EDD? How is the terrain?

[valid swift]

No! Because you are asking an off-topic question in a channel dedicated to Deep Dives.

Ask in #drg-chat

[tidal salmon]

woah m8

dont be too aggressive. Mods will hunt you

[still sonnet]

aint nobody gonna answer your question now lol

[jaunty crag]

he asked in the main chat but he was still hostile

[tidal salmon]

plus the ppl out there are currently completing it and helping us by mapping out objs

dont be ungrateful

[quiet mortar]

I bet my man probably just hadn't promoted XD

[tidal salmon]

he says he has

but apparently confused that he cant level up

which is p weird if he is 58

[neat forum]

Refineries

[lone lance]

Stage 3 DD got no mutators. Very suspicious.

[uncut raptor]

simple PE just get in get out, no problem

[lone lance]

Upside of rad and magma zones, less growths hiding aquarqs.

[odd comet]

It's a stage 3 PE though

You know what that means

[uncut raptor]

the devs are on stage 3 of the DD rn if you watch the stream, if you want a bit of intel about it

[gentle lion]

OH MY GOD YES

TWO BLACK BOXES

[dreamy dragon]

What's so weird about it?

Unless you're anxious about what's coming more than hyped to see the next challenge then yea I understand

[icy river]

Edd completed 2nd cave bad all tunnel lot of swarmers

[dreamy dragon]

Yea looks like another edd where my scout has to pass lol

Swarmageddon? Parasites and even a refinery? Fine I'll play driller again then

[tough hawk]

how was the edd this week? pretty greasy?

[safe gulch]

Looks deceivingly easy...

[ivory cypress]

Any cursed generation in this weeks EDD?

[lone lance]

"They're coming out of the damn walls! "

[olive tulip]

That dd stage 1

Rest look easy but have to see the cave generation, notably EDD and stage 2 DD

[uncut raptor]

check the dev stream from today, they did the DD

okay doing 2nd stage and all the wells are in accessible places, no need to drill

[lone lance]

got through the EDD, we played pretty bad, normal nitra spawns in stage 1 and 2 but tons in stage 3, at least.

had a breeder in both EDD stage 2 and 3, 4 players.
In stage 2 i met it in a tight hallway, froze it with cryo minelets, lol

[gentle lion]

I’m hyped

we got

two black boxes

[sour raptor]

Did management turn 14 today lmao

Look at the names

I guess management hasn't gotten over that breakup

[pallid cipher]

They should be more mature, and space-dwarf inspired, ya know like, "Glyphid's Arsehole".

[cobalt fiber]

Looking for a gunner or driller for EDD right now. Anyone interested?

[raven grove]

No dreads, so I'll enjoy this one

[warm light]

Elite Deep Dive is pretty standard this week, it's easy enough that you could possibly beat it with one person AFK.

[lone lance]

Aquarq in the regular DD stage 3 were semi-hidden in clusters in some nooks and crannies, ziplines were useful for once, heh.

[shrewd echo]

i'm going to shit and cry nobody ever joins my EDDs

the curse of south america

[high garden]

10 aquarks on final
Rng please don’t make the cave gen painful

[feral atlas]

unremarkable EDD

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1678142466926271961/ED1D07A17375CE497E8B92330016AD936023A8DB/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

scout left halfway on map 1

[tidal salmon]

recent edds have been p unremarkable

more annoying than lethal

[vague sun]

time for me to do the regular DD

[vague sun]

and done

[simple bough]

I've found a lot of lethal missions being worse than the EDDs lately.

Mostly corkscrew caves.

I hate those.

[buoyant wing]

deep dives have the benefit of being static too so even if you fail or technical issues happen you're still more mentally-prepared for it

random missions can be a little more unstable

most of the recent dives have been kinda tame though, can't lie

[tall heath]

Just tried EDD. We failed the first stage 3 times before I tried building a bunker (first time!). Judging by the number of enemies that came pouring through the opening I have a hard time believing its possible without a bunker. Then the gunner ragequit at the scout for mining gold in the second stage and we got overrun during the drama.

[buoyant wing]

drama kills teams all too easily

shit sucks

[tall heath]

yeah, like, the gunner wasn't wrong, but save that until you're back on the space rig eh?

[pale sigil]

i mean it's just mining gold? why say anything at all about it?

[tall heath]

we were pretty pressed for time

like, barely hanging on, needed nitra, weren't getting much time between waves to do the objectives. It really wasn't a good priority.

still not worth a ragequit though

coulda just said "let's skip gold for now" or something

[buoyant wing]

a suggestion works more than an argument

sometimes I screw around mining gold if I know I can take it easy or if I'm deliberately passing time timing a swarm for something like a dread cocoon secondary

but there is a time and place for it and it sounds like that just wasn't it

[tall heath]

agreed on all points

[simple bough]

People who tell you to skip gold but still ping nitra when you have 400 of it by the last stage

It literally doesn't even give xp to mine in edds.

[quaint lake]

yea don't mine gold in EDD when your team is falling apart and you don't have time

kinda bad idea

actually don't mine gold in deep dives at all, don't be silly

[tawny forge]

EDD is super doable, we ran driller 2 gunner and scout, nitra is everywhere just be fast in the onsite and quark and youll be fine

[tall heath]

I've only done a handful of EDDs before, but this one seemed to have like 5 times as many enemies. It was pretty much insane.

we all had over 1,000 kills by the end of the first level

like, I was honestly wondering if it was bugged or something