deep-dive-discussion

[lone lance]

low o2 cave was great! it was TINY!

only one egg was almost outside gunner 02 range

i gathered two loads of nitra. team gathered 10 aquarc at the same time, lol

DD stage 3 is more like electrocrystal hazard, haha. tons of those things!

Betc on EDD

stage 1, next to dotty 😦

[quaint lake]

the stage 3 on EDD is leech horror

5 leeches per square meter

not even leech cluster

oh wait, it is leach cluster, nvm

[tidal salmon]

wow

the edd was way easier than i thought

salvage spots are really good

require very little terraforming

solo scout done

[lone lance]

hilarious amounts of fuel on the EDD p1 dozer refueling. formula 1 refuelling times, lol

[tidal salmon]

yea

2 veins right next to each other for 2 cells

the 1st stage was so snooze i just stood there and let dotty get whacked around

ty betc

very cool

[lone lance]

i wonder if we can skip betc

[tidal salmon]

prob will instantly aggro the moment you pass through with the dozer

[tidal spruce]

Tiny low o2 cave? Pog

[uncut raptor]

these dives are to compensate for the absolute terror of some previous dives a while ago

[restive patrol]

the narrow caves of stage 2 edd

with bet-c's on stage 1 and 2

is some spicy sh

[lone lance]

oof, sounds fun

about to start stage 2

wait betc on stage 2 too?

[restive patrol]

we had like 180 nitra left over from 1
literally a god-send cause it's like going deeper vertically

its fun lol

side note
a 3 star legendary driller did not play like a 3 star legendary driller

i got catfished

AND

actally thats all for now

goodbye

[tidal salmon]

never saw 1

just dipped the moment i got the morkite and dread

[restive patrol]

see there are multiple seeds of the dives

had betc on 2

[tidal salmon]

its prob because i didnt travel far enough to see the bet c

[merry shadow]

looking for a deep dive group, just unlocked them, but keep getting booted from peoples groups likely because of level

[lone lance]

mind that you need a promoted dwarf to start the mission

[merry shadow]

yep of course, i played on xbox a long time ago, just re started on pc

[lone lance]

the dwarf you are playing need to be promoted, i mean

[merry shadow]

yea he is

cryo dwarf

i need to do deep dives to get the things for overclocks right

[lone lance]

you get more of the things at least

there is an assignment too

[restive patrol]

do report back if u see !

it's like after the vertical pit of death

vertical isnt necessary in the sentence but

sounds cooler

[tidal salmon]

the next cave is at the bottom right?

[restive patrol]

almost bottom

[tidal salmon]

weird

[restive patrol]

the dirt cave is like 2nd from the top

[tidal salmon]

never saw it

[restive patrol]

and bet-c's perched behind the mushrhoooom

[tidal salmon]

i dont even rmb a mushroom

prob walked right past it

[restive patrol]

the big orange thing

scratch that, not mushroooom

big orange coral

wrong map hehe

best of luck friend

[tidal salmon]

bruh idk if i want to slog through escort again

it maybe easy but it takes forever

[restive patrol]

hot take

escort edd was easier than haz4 escort mission

like wtf

[tidal salmon]

with the inclusion of betc the whole experience was very snooze yes

[restive patrol]

mission control* gave us a laundry list of enemies on 2

ghost det / haunted
bet-c
bulk det
praetorian attack

oh and the dreadnought egg got triggered

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaineedtherapy

[tidal salmon]

huh

i got the bulk det twice

in a tunnel

[restive patrol]

i really want the devs to try this

[tidal salmon]

with teh ghost one blocking one side

and bulk det on the other end

very cool drg

classic dread was annoying

cause of the ghost det blocking the shots

the 2 overlapping one another

[hazy comet]

you should just host your own so you dont get kicked by toxic people

[lone lance]

yeah, that was how i got my first ones done

[merry shadow]

thank you

[lone lance]

ugh, the EDD part 2 is pain

the second room is awful, and tends to hit you with a swarm

[grim badge]

Whats missions for dd and edd

[lone lance]

check sticky

well, pin

[tidal salmon]

are you going solo ingen?

[lone lance]

no, with groups that had little issue in p1

shame on me, got downed the same place, in room two. at least we ultimately wiped to fighting betc

Considering just running circles in the first EDD s2 room till the first swarm is dealt with but that does not sound fun either

[tidal salmon]

wait you got wiped to a betc on stage 1?

[lone lance]

no, the betc on stage 2

[split plover]

Just got the EDD done under 1 hour

[upbeat obsidian]

Good EDD this week, about on par with last week but some fun traversal challenges

Only had two downs due to being FF'd and then flung by terrain. xD

[tough hawk]

Where can I find the weekly EDD info? Don't see it on reddit yet

[west warren]

go into the pinned messages tab

[zinc coral]

pins in this channel. also its a pinned thread on reddit. edit: woops nvm looks like its not updated for reddit

[tough hawk]

Rgr ty

[azure wraith]

They didn't pin it there yet

But there's a deep dive thread on reddit

[fringe kettle]

something something pinned messages

[restive patrol]

just beat

have engi be on electro stubby build
babysit the haunted (slowing it down)

we did it boys

[oak jay]

That Stage 2 was a doozy the first few times, gets easier when you aren't running around chicken-head-off style.

[lone lance]

3rd try right now, hopefully i won't fall into the same pit a third time.

[lone lance]

bleh, really need a plan for EDD stage 2, survived the second wave but got split and kinda did nothing until the russian got bored, pulled betc and left.

did you just fight the dread in the room the cocoon was in?

[restive patrol]

honestly the stomp of the ghost has twice cracked the dread egg

either that or the bet-c did
but its hard to have control over when the dread egg pops so yes

[lone lance]

well getting to the egg would be a start, ran into roadblocks well before that yet..
currently thinking of waiting in the spawn room for the first swarm, then all four bypassing the bet-c and going for the egg.

just some form of plan for the group to focus on will be of great help, i hope.

[high garden]

Possibly farmable hoarder on regular dd? Spawns right next to the pod right after you begin

[odd comet]

Really not worth it

You have to complete the entire Deep Dive to get the full minerals, and you'll still get more from just doing a normal mission

[next stirrup]

Hows the deep dive and EDD this week?

[vale lintel]

deep dive is very easy, EDD might catch you off guard with stuff

the one cave leech first section and supposedly a BET-C with a full team, and the second stage is... something interesting

[next stirrup]

Jesus

[vale lintel]

not good generation for haunted cave

[next stirrup]

So a bad beginning

With haunted cave?

[vale lintel]

first stage doesn't pose much of a problem with the team I tried with

second stage killed them twice in the same place, being the first chamber you go to from the spawn one

[lone lance]

Failed three times on that second stage, the second room got horrible generation and a bunch of enemies just out of the door.

Got a bet-c too, with 4 players, but it might be skippable.

[pure hazel]

did EDD a while ago with a team here, and yes, BET-C can be dodged on stage 2

we had to maneauver the vertical rooms with several ziplines, though

and on the way back, after having to deal with both dread and horror as a combo, we had to drill our way back

we were afraid we might crash into bet-c at the end,

but we didnt

best advice is drill/zip away from her, you can definitely avoid her for stage 2 and i encourage you to leave her asleep

[civic yoke]

everything was going so good on the EDD, until that second cave on the second stage

[granite valley]

How experienced should I be before I try to run a edd?

[warm light]

You should be able to get through a hazard 5 mission with little to no deaths

Today's EDD was pretty simple, we got two BETCs, one on stage 1 and one on stage 2.

Stage 2 was made touch and fucking go because my friend decided to set off betc for fun

we nearly wiped four times

[granite valley]

huh

[warm light]

But other than that, it was pretty easy for me and my friends.

[zinc coral]

if you're generally comfortable with some haz4 missions and u know how to kite enemies, u can get by an EDD without it being impossible

[quaint matrix]

this weeks dd was ez

[tiny latch]

piece of cake, easy sub half hour

[granite valley]

Tried it and my team choked at the second cave

[tiny latch]

they forgot low o2 modifier and suffocated?

[granite valley]

On edd

[tiny latch]

ah

[granite valley]

Regular deep dive was easy

[warm light]

Choked on their own tongue instead of no air

[scarlet jewel]

How is the edd this week?
Is it bad, is it okay?

That haunted cave dreadnought and morkite stage is making me question it a bit

[vale lintel]

haunted cave mining expedition is never fun, dreadnaught and BET-C are just sides

[scarlet jewel]

For stage 3 though, are any of the 2 mules high up where a scout could easily access them but other classes would take a bit?

[vale lintel]

not sure

[wet vault]

Stage two is pain

Just unbearable pain

[granite valley]

just did it, theres one really high mule near the drop pod

stage 2 is suffering

[scarlet jewel]

Would you say it could be reached with ziplines? Im planning on playing gunner instead of scout for this edd so i wont have all that sweet mobility

[granite valley]

ziplines will work yes

thats what i did

stage 2 is the real thing you should be worried about, stage 3 isnt horrible but can trip you up

not that i should talk for the difficulty of edd because im bad at the game but other comments above are right

[worn bramble]

alas couldn't finish the third stage due to the fuel lines glitching out and duplicating themselves

[eager palm]

had a solid team this week which made the EDD a walk in the park

funniest moment was when I used a cryo nade on the brood nexus so that i could kill it without making the spawns

minigun gunner decided to shoot it with their burning hell minigun so that it thawed immediately, and then when the things spawned just left without killing them for me to deal with

[azure wraith]

He was a pointy eared leaf lover for sure

[desert moat]

Anyone doing a depp dive>

Would like to join

[neat forum]

#lfg-steam

[desert moat]

Thhnx

[zinc fog]

Is there an EPC mod for Driller that let's them dig? I forgot the mods or whatever to do so.

[scarlet jewel]

Thin containment field i believe it was

[zinc fog]

Okay, I haven't played in a few months so I completely forgot.

huh. Seems I can't do it.

USually it seems that they just shoot the orb at the wall and it explodes.

[scarlet jewel]

From what ive seen and tried myself, you have to shoot the orb before it touches the wall

I cant for the life of me figure out how people do this, but i also dont play driller much

[zinc fog]

Yeah, I can't do it either.

[neat forum]

Make a focused shot, release it and shoot sphere in mid air

If you don't shoot sphere it will not explode, will be regular focused shot

[high garden]

Why learn how to epc mine when you can join the enlightened and use subata

[onyx dawn]

I failed for about 30 minutes straight and thought I was being trolled until I finally figured it out and then it started to get easier (still takes a loooooooooooong time to master).

https://imgur.com/XbwKrpf

[mellow cove]

Or you could just ctrl+m1

Saves ammo and time running around collecting everything

[pallid cipher]

oof, it does get a bit too close to solipsism, playing with randos without voice comms. one could easily start to feel like the other dwarves are just well-written, random AI programs.

[lone lance]

Nah, computers at least act with SOME intent. People often don't.

[idle bay]

just gave the elite deep dive a go with some randos. first stage went really well. second stage, we got a huuli in the first room and were like "oh cool that's rare"

then second room we get a swarm with a menace and a real bulk detonator accopanying the horror

we ate it then haha

[ionic furnace]

Hey guys, had a weird result today - after killing the Dreadnought in S2 of the EDD, it didn't actually count.

Anyone else get this??

[tidal salmon]

no

that is really weird

a bug

maybe

[leaden storm]

I've been softlocked before, I somehow took both canisters out the drilldozer at once and one of them despawend

[digital viper]

The regular DD's first mission is just about the smallest cave you can get

[tidal salmon]

I had a fuel cannister drop into the heating pool holes on glacial strata b4

Oh boy those were annoying

Nvr had them despawn on me tho

[digital viper]

It's really annoying when nitra falls into those pits

[iron forum]

Omg I was with you I think lol

[left musk]

you don't get more lives from one stage of the dive to the next, right?

[pale sigil]

Attempt 2 was a success!

[idle bay]

Oh yes hello!!!

It was fun playing with you o/

[pale sigil]

Map 2 cave 1 of the EDD is such a death trap, but once you get past it it's pretty smooth. Shout out to "dog with a gun", our scout who kept ghost aggro the whole time so we could clear the cave out without worrying about the big spooky boy

[iron forum]

It was fun playing with you too!

[iron forum]

In my 3rd attempt a huuli spawned too

[lone lance]

on my third attempt at EDD stage 2 i got three bulks, lol

[civic yoke]

finnaly, on 5 attempt

[lone lance]

but at least i got past the second room! hopefully next time i will find the blasted way down to the egg. It's a maze.

[pale sigil]

I think 2/4 dirt patches in stage 2 are down huge pits IIRC

it's weird cave gen

[civic yoke]

at least it was a huge cave for the dread

[lone lance]

i should have just kept going towards the egg to see the blasted room, instead of spending half an hour reviving, ha.

I am more happy than i should about a 1 hour wipefest that was a fail.

[ashen patrol]

so that second mission was hell

on edd

[shadow shoal]

Bosco lives should reset on a perstage basis iirc

[left musk]

I tried my first deep dive and got killed too many times 🤪

[oblique meadow]

Oof! Hang in there! You'll get it eventually. Or keep trying with different teams. A good grey beard should be able to carry a normal Deep Dive.

[tacit jungle]

man this EDD :/

nothing about it should be so hard

and yet ghost+bet-c+swarm combine into a voltron and punch you

[left musk]

Thanks for the encouragement. I have to keep trying.

[next stirrup]

Hows the EDD for everyone this week

I somehow managed to finish it with a fragment of sanity

[pure hazel]

when its haunted cave
in the second stage
who youre gonna karl

[halcyon nacelle]

I don't tend to do the EDD. Did it the one time like 150 levels ago and not really ever since.

I solo the DD every week though for the cores though.

[quaint matrix]

Aww man my edd host disconnected

[oblique meadow]

That sucks. We did the fungus bogs with the low oxygen/refinery a few weeks ago that was awful. On our 4th try, all making it to stage 2, we finally got the jacks connected but before we started pumping got disconnected. Our two other team mates ended up finishing. Couldn't bring myself to try again.

[tidal salmon]

not too bad

had an easier time with it than the edds about 3-4 weeks ago

[tulip idol]

it's ok, 3rd stage on haz5.5 was like haz1 with no enemies around, 2nd stage had tricky cave structure with lots of pits but I was driller and didn't care about it, ghost was going all the way around when I was changing positions through the drilled tunnel and... 1st stage was ok, I forgot anything about it

died only once to dread that got me in the air jumping down, damn he's fast

there were also lots of jellies but I brought flamer

[mellow cove]

Oh, so is this who I was doing it with

That nickname felt familiar but didn't remember where I could see it

[tulip idol]

man we're playin' in the same region lol

[mellow cove]

Are we? Your ping wasn't that low

[tulip idol]

region is kinda big tho

[mellow cove]

Fair

[ionic furnace]

Yea, must've been a bug of some sort. It was weird bc we broke the egg, and there was a solid 30 seconds before the dread spawned in

And after killing the dread it just... didn't check it off?

[fierce pecan]

stage one of this week's DD is the easiest i've ever seen

[lone lance]

Stage 2 is the smoothest low oxy PE I have seen. Tiny map. I gathered a load of nitra, team got the aquarc in the same time, lol

Only one egg were farish away, but even that were close enough to zipline up to, mine, and get back in one run.

[sudden mural]

Where can I check the dd missions of this week?

[azure wraith]

Pinned messages

[sudden mural]

@azure wraith what do you mean?

[azure wraith]

The pinned messages of this channel, that's where the dd missions are pinned at

[sudden mural]

Yea but I didn't find it

[azure wraith]

@sudden mural

[sudden mural]

Thank you very much mate 🙂

[golden granite]

I protected the drill dozer solo in the edd then my power went out

[ashen plover]

Third try on the EDD, screw stage 2 srsly

[lone lance]

ugh, yeah

[jagged pasture]

For the EDD that Stage 2 how best to counter the influx of enemies lure them into that big room with the horror and clear them out before moving to the betc/leech room?

There's just so many enemies

[old widget]

can you drill some loops in/out of the room for kiting the horror / enemies?

[jagged pasture]

I guess I could give that a try. It's just Horror + multiple Oppressors suck with Wardens

[old widget]

oof. yeah.

[zealous pond]

and bulks spawning in as well

[pale sigil]

yeah, the way i succeeded was we killed bet-c asap, then left back into the starting room first swarm, then went back in to clean it out and move forward

no matter how you do it you shouldn't try to fight the swarm in that cramped area with bet-c

it's a death trap

[zealous pond]

finally made it through stage 2 and then had the worst luck imaginable on stage 3

[old widget]

can the bet-c on EDD stage 2 be drilled around/avoided? (haven't had a chance to try this week's yet, our crew isn't back together until Wednesday sadly)

[hazy comet]

you can totally ignore it

[old widget]

cool

[barren isle]

who in their right mind passes up a betc tho?

[hazy comet]

tbh it does more team damage than actually helping

and it pushes you around and blocks bullets

[old widget]

yeah betc in haunted mining mission seems particularly annoying

[random path]

yeah edd was particularly annoying this time

at least the regular deep dive was super easy and quick though

[neat forum]

Betc is more of a bother then help most of the games

And epecially on the mission where you already have 2/3 of morkite and dreadnought to fight

If you have builds to kill it in one go, then why not. If not - it is not worth it with a bad location and ghost around the corner

[lone lance]

Nitra is tight this EDD, the first room of stage 2 is almost barren, and the second room is a death trap. Fighting a swarm, betc, and probably a second swarm during betc with no extra nitra have been a death by a thousand cuts for us.

The betc is kind of tricky to lure into the first room too, it is just a tad too far away.

[uncut raptor]

sounds like the best course of action is to avoid betc altogether

[leaden cypress]

or destroy it

[radiant granite]

betc is good actually. just don't, y'know, stand in the glowing red AoE marker

[lime drift]

Me and my team finally had success by setting up cheese towers maybe about 8 high in the starting room of stage 2 to use as cover against BETC’s hitscan machine gun attack

I was the team scout, special powder shotgun. Went into the spaghetti cave, woke BETC and ran back to the team. Driller made me a second tunnel just in case the horror blocked me off

Use the scouts IFG grenades on BETC, does wonders

[leaden cypress]

Sentries are pretty nice against bet-c too

[short charm]

Probably one of the most successful runs lately. Nothing to it! https://i.imgur.com/cbFzKFy.jpg

Guess my beard has plenty of grey hairs at this point.

I went for a fairly standard setup on my end. Warthog with 21221 + Mini shells, PGL with 21322 + Fat Boy. Turret with 2121. Platform gun with 111.
Turret Whip anything that moves if it aint within shotgun range, blast everything else with the shotty. Plasma Burster on smaller groups. Fat Boy whenever you see a big horde or if you catch a huge horde spawning in on a distant wall.

High Velocity Grenades is absolutely amazing for the Fat Boy, this negates all of the downsides of the suppsedly "heavier" projectile. You can hit anything, at any distance, the nukes travel insanely far. (They'll hit the top of the drop pod hole with ease) And with the recent PGL changes, you now have 5 nukes on you. Honestly, this thing is borderline OP. It just gets so much done.

[raven grove]

5 nukes has been the amount for some time

[short charm]

I believe it used to come with SOME kind of tradeoff, but then some mods were shuffled around. Could be wrong though.

Oh yeah, the high velocity grenade upgrade was moved from T2 to T3. So before you had to choose between more ammo or the high velocity shots. I went for the high velocity shots. And after the recent balance patch, you get to eat the cake and have it too.

[odd berry]

The DD seemed very quick this week. Posted a 34:05 time, but I'm sure we could have gone sub 30 minutes if we got a shift on.

[neat forum]

Well the difference against regular build is that fat boy kills slashers, trijaws and has radiation

All for having 5 shots instead of 11. I would rather have 11 and shoot twice if, for some reason there is tons of slashers

Also #drg-chat

[short charm]

DRG chat isn't terribly great for the more in-depth stuff I find. Not that I have much more to say other than that I typically run Fat Boy almost exclusively when using the PGL, it's just too much fun and incredible at what it does. I rarely have to try all that hard to destroy hordes as engineer, easy life every time.

[dreamy island]

So you can only get rewards once per week With deep dives. But Does that also count towards Elite Deep Dives?

[odd comet]

Yes.

[scarlet jewel]

Yes

[dreamy island]

Thank you

[oblique meadow]

And by yes, they do mean the reward pools are separate for both. So only once per each dive type. By doing both dives you can get 6 cores, but redoing any levels completed doesn't net more.

[dreamy island]

Ooo awesome, thank you much. My green beard self

[fierce pecan]

this EDD is fun

just barely made it into the pod with dotty's head on stage 1

[fierce pecan]

mined all of the morkite, was almost done killing the dread

the unknown horror killed me and the dread at the same time

and i didnt have any revives left

[lone lance]

the horror damages dreads? we were arguing about that in my latest EDD attempt. It is not like the horror oneshots players.

anyway, finally got the dive down! some pleasant chaps from this discord instead of randoms were the key!
Also i am not as incompetent of a scout i thought i was. First dive as something else than gunner, lol.

[old widget]

Its smash attack damages / heats up bugs, yeah

Caught one in a clip a couple of months ago smashing a praet and getting it halfway to on fire

[lone lance]

More if it deals enough damage to bother with, but nearly killing a prae is descent i guess

[old widget]

Well…didn’t nearly kill it, just did /some/ damage and got it halfway on fire. Damage didn’t seem all that crazy against other bugs, but not sure if there’s a modifier there

(New challenge for haunted elims: no weapons when fighting dreads, only ghost smash attacks)

[fierce pecan]

it does a chunk of damage, not enough to severely wound a dread but its enough to deal the killing blow if its only on a sliver of health

[lone lance]

In either case, just shooting the Dread in the ass as normal worked fine on EDD stage 2 worked fine. The egg room was full of plants, but big enough to comfortably kill the dread without too much pain.
Had two breeders in there, but just pushing onwards past that awful second room and the worst were past us, it felt like.

[quartz pollen]

Can anyone give me tips on this weeks EDD I’ve failed over 8 times already all on the second stage before dread :(

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[pale sigil]

Betc can be skipped. Try to not fight the swarm in the first room and instead run back to where the droppod landed. Once it is over, then push forward. Communicate about ghost location and aggro when you can

[tidal salmon]

I didnt even see the betc on stage 2

Dk how i missed it

[odd comet]

Map spawns (like leeches, spitballers, BET-C) are based on player count.

So one group may encounter completely different map spawns than another

[tidal salmon]

I thought bet c was a special spawn

Like the game rollingto see if it spawns a huuli

[vale lintel]

it's a miniboss and as such can only spawn the one but other than that no

[tidal salmon]

Plus i saw the bet c on stage 1

Its poszible that i missed it

But idk

I dont think so at least

Everyone should stop at the same area for the morkite

[naive geode]

The edd this week is hell

[feral atlas]

unremarkable EDD

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1689399835372207763/216335201ED74332289FC0816E903008F41B1C8F/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[tidal salmon]

Kinda weird that there are such differing opinions on this weeks edd

[buoyant wing]

it happens

it's usually influenced by personal experience (solo) or how well the team works together

[lone lance]

Seems pretty close to unanimous to me?

[buoyant wing]

however most people seethe when haunted cave rears its ugly head

one of those plague mods people avoid

[radiant granite]

https://i.imgur.com/phgKYlb.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P0yfq2wDvU&t=24s

oh shit, darren sharper unknown horror

[tidal salmon]

i mean you have people that go "damn this edd is fkn easy and p unremarkable must be a godsend due to the recent edds"

and then you have those that go "FUCK STAGE 2 UGH HAUNTED CAVE AND BETC WE GOT WIPED BRUH"

[flat dirge]

Every week there are people that go "easy" or "hard" when describing the deep dives

[mellow cove]

Not really

Sometimes everyone agrees EDD is hard

[wet vault]

The AI that came up with stage 2 can go fornicate with a rusty spoon

It’s one thing to be a bad mod “haunted” but to force us into a cramped vertical stage with a Bet-c it’s just wrong

[neat forum]

Everyone has different experience in the game

For some every EDD aside few is a chore, for some haz5 is unreal so are EDDs

[lone lance]

You can skip the bet-c by the way, herding that thing into the starting room cost us too much time on one of the fails.

[feral atlas]

The experience in the EDD is almost solely dependent on player ability. Some teams have multiple players that regularly play with Haz5. Probably 3/4 or 4/4 of my team was like this, which was why we only had 1 down combined (me eating a dread fireball). Other teams have no players that play Haz5 regularly, and those are the ones that will suffer.

Haunted Cave was annoying, but ultimately just that. Annoying, but not necessarily fatal. The vertical cave structure of stage 2 is only an issue if your driller doesn't know what his job is on the mutator. Which is to prioritize getting to the next room so that people don't get cornered at the dirt and to put some space between you and the ghost.

[uncut raptor]

failed the first attempt because our driller accidentally activated the bet-c after we all agreed to skip it

we should've run back into the first room to deal with it but w/e

[lone lance]

I found Communication were a lot more important this time around. Usually you can get by without too much of it, but everyone having the same idea helped a lot this time around. Driller making tunnels on stage 2 are of no use if the rest of the team are going for bet-c.

[feral atlas]

Well, put it this way. Generally speaking, if those teammates are worth having to spend stage 3 with, they should be able to handle bet-c if they consciously go for her.

I'm not the kind of person that wants to sweat through the equivalent of having to herd a bunch of squirrels.

[lone lance]

I have been avoiding the other kind of sweat by signing with randoms, worked well enough the previous weeks.

[feral atlas]

Just do it early in the week.

[lone lance]

I know, got three failed runs done on thursday.

[feral atlas]

rip

I guess you can also add the "know a lost cause" addendum to that.

[lone lance]

Yeah, caving in and making a premade group was the hail Mary, and it worked.
The digger screaming incoherently as he accidentally dug into the Ghosts tunnel was pretty amusing, too.

[feral atlas]

You don't need to go as far as make premades tbh.

Just purely lobby shopping will work.

[lone lance]

I think we are talking about the same thing, though discord voice was an added bonus.

[feral atlas]

premade to me means I wrangle everybody together before they get in the lobby through other means

lobby shopping is just popping in, taking a look at the levels and promotions, and moving on to the next lobby if you don't like what you see

different methods of getting the same thing

[spring harness]

is deep dive elite hard?

[vale falcon]

Yes

[spring harness]

good to know thx

[shadow shoal]

Not really

[pale sigil]

it's hazard 4.5 - 5 - 5.5, in that order

[spring harness]

thx

[winter lantern]

I know stage 2 seems to be the killer this time around, but what is/how hard is stage 3

[scarlet jewel]

from what i remember of it, its been actually easy compared to stage 2

for one, there werent bulks

[pale sigil]

stage 3 was p smooth. one of the mules is on a cliff and it's awkward but the uplink n cells are in good spots

[hot bear]

the elite deep dive this week with ghost and dread is making me weep lol

as well as a bulk detonator always showing up in the cramped ass mapgen

[gusty galleon]

EDD broke for us on stage 1 no second fuel canister spawned just said it was floating at spawn but did not exist

[silent furnace]

EDD second stage was rough anyone have any advice with the haunted cave?

[oblique meadow]

About to start stage 2 of EDD. Wish me luck. 😂

[old widget]

Sadly this is a long running bug. Clients with high ping / packet loss picking up the fuel canister seems to be a trigger. No workaround, have to bail. Thankfully escort is on stage 1!

[oblique meadow]

LMAO. It was as bad as advertised.

[drowsy pilot]

god this week's EDD has been kicking my butt

not adding anything new here but i havent even gotten past the second room in stage 2

we enter the room, a swarm starts, we all get separated and then turned to glyphid chow in the panic 😔

[mossy finch]

onces the swarm starts you need to kite back to room 1

if you do betc before of after is up to the group

but you all need to be on the same page to kite back/ rush down betc

fighting in room two gets to crazy with all the verticals

[drowsy pilot]

im crying

we were at the last stage doing the fuel cell charge

and i lost connection

the second stage went so well too

i followed your advice and it went relatively painlessly

the dreadnought wasnt even that baddddd

[tidal salmon]

o o f

[drowsy pilot]

i dont have the willpower to do that all over again

[oblique meadow]

That's how I felt about Fungus Bods a few weeks ago. Did it 3 times with randoms and failed on the 2nd mission with refining/low oxygen. Then played with friends and got through on the 4th time only to lose connection. It sapped the will out of me.

[shy jacinth]

DAMNNNN, i can't pass stage 2 whatsoever. i lost like 5 - 6 times already

I NEED ADVICE!!!

[drowsy pilot]

make sure you have a clear line to the room you spawn in, retreat to it whenever the first swarm starts

be ready for the swarm too b.c it starts pretty early on, usually by the time everyone's made their way in

either have a driller make multiple paths to the spawn room or lure the ghost around so that it doesnt catch you off guard

you can also have someone like the scout lure bet-c into the spawn room so that you have a much better arena to fight it in

if you can handle the bet-c and the first swarm you're pretty much in the clear since the dreadnought fight is pretty easy to manage with the big open room, though don't forget about the ghost since it can be really tricky to revive a teammate during a dreadnought fight

[tidal salmon]

Or you can just ignore the bet c

[drowsy pilot]

thats a valid option as well

[wary wyvern]

DD, 2 more people, pod 4

[lone lance]

If you kite bet-c, she gotta be lured somewhat, she is a tad too far from the starting room. If you grapple right out she might stop following.

[raven grove]

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[summer pike]

just did the EDD

the second mission was particularly 'interesting' 😄

I really liked the middle part with the confined terrain

[raven grove]

Had a much better time of it the second attempt. Big thing was leaving betc alone.

Then I drilled right past it on the way back and woke it up, but we just ran.

[oblique meadow]

Probably not attempting it again, but it might be an interesting strategy to drill from the pod room past that first big room until you hit flatter room and then work your way back up, drilling staircases.

That way you can kind of run in and loop to kite the horror away if needed.

[summer pike]

I did it as scout with a gunner and engi, and I spent a lot of time kiting it away while the other two actually progressed

the dread fight was tricky, good room to fight but we got off to a bad start and it was difficult dealing with swarms, horror, and dread at the same time

I find it hard to spot the horror

the other hard part was the evac, the other two ended up dying and I had to escape by myself

the hardest part for me personally was the tight space halfway through the mission, with the extreme height differences between floors

very cramped area that makes a scout unhappy

[languid gorge]

Amusingly, I had a very similar experience, as a Scout playing with Driller and Engi. I kited while they progressed, re-upped them throughout the Dread fight, and ultimately had to get in the pod alone. Brutal second phase, but wicked fun.

[summer pike]

yeah

that is why scout is handy

[raven grove]

I died right outside the pod and they saluted me as they went down.

[lone lance]

Oh we had not one, but two breeders in the dread egg room. Luckily we watched our fire.

[copper quartz]

Dive deep

[pulsar mason]

Yeah just failed the EDD for the third time haha

[tight mauve]

oof

[fierce pecan]

this EDD really is a scary one

how many leeches does stage 3 have

ah nvm i died again

[pure hazel]

all the leeches are on the last room of stage 3, scattered all over the massive roof
my teamed counted about 10, spread wide across the roof

[safe dragon]

hyper prop is soo good for taking care of betc quick

[wraith shard]

we destroyed betc in a couple of seconds, almost felt sorry for it, almost

[tidal salmon]

still waiting for the devs to stream their edd run

is it today?

[rustic fjord]

Hey guys! When does each Deep Dive Reset?

Like what day and hour?

[tidal salmon]

i know its thursday

thats all

some time in the evening for me

but thats timezone shit

[tidal salmon]

4am?

Damn

[shrewd echo]

can't it be thursday already

zzzz

does anyone know what happens when you get all weapon overclocks?

do you start getting two cosmetic cores in core hunts and deep dives instead?

[severe tusk]

You get 2 blank cores and 1 cosmetic core per completed DD/EDD/Weekly Core Hunt after you have unlocked all weapon OCs.

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[dark grove]

2 betcs in one EDD is a bit harsh

[tidal salmon]

not rlly

[lone lance]

you can skip the second one, if you prefer. It is the least of the problems with the second stage anyway, ha.

[dark grove]

we didnt rly get a choice to skip it

we had detonator and betc and the ghost all targetting different players it was just a mess

[leaden cypress]

Thursday 12 AM GMT

[slender river]

Same as last week, BET-Cs are notoriously easy to deal with & uniquely provide you with an ally which otherwise does not occur

Gl to those doing it before tomorrow

[old widget]

finally got a chance to run this week's EDD for the first time...that stage 2 was a hoot

just gotta keep pushing down, decent sized arena down near the dread

[winter lantern]

Can I get confirmation for stage 2 EDD if betc can be lured back to spawn room to kill? I saw some mixed messages on it

[lone lance]

It can, it just is a bit far away, so you gotta bait it towards the exit. If you just have the scout pull and immediatedly grapple and sprint, it might lose focus. happened to us once.

On the second attempt i was scout, played it safe and made sure she was chasing me.

[old widget]

It’s tucked off to the side and pretty easy to avoid honestly. I’d suggest avoiding it if you can

[shadow shoal]

Avoiding a challenge sounds pretty elf-like, ngl

[languid gorge]

Wait there was a Betsy in the second stage

holy shit

my crew must have missed it, damn.

Well enough anyways. We got two Bulk Dets at once while defending the Uplink in stage 3, so we didn't need any more struggles lmao

[old widget]

I think EDD stage 2 betc is a sure spawn for 4p this week, dunno about 1-3p

[languid gorge]

ohhhh, okay, yea, we were a three-player team.

[leaden cypress]

got one in both stages

[old widget]

yeah, stage 1 and 2

with 4p at least

[wraith shard]

yeah stage 2 of this dive is BRUTAL

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[wet vault]

Only hope the next edd doesn’t beat me like a red headed step child

[lone lance]

I wanna get it done before i need to catch a plane, so same, lol.

[restive patrol]

electro stubby on engi

babysit the horror

[tacit jungle]

or just don't run into it

it's an IQ test, I pass it like 80% of the time

[uncut raptor]

oh i completely forgot to try the EDD again lol

maybe i could sneak in a solo run tomorrow

[west merlin]

Oh gods the 2nd stage of the DD

We did it perfectly and called the drop pod and it landed like 30 meters through a wall

But it was at the end of the absurdly long curving tunnel that we hadn't actually found

I think maybe 1 egg was there but we forgot about it

That's a case where a Driller was really essential I guess, having 2-player Engy and Scout was a real problem

Does the escape pod always land in the same spot on each mission?

I'm so mad we were so close to getting the overclock and had so much nitra for the 3rd mission and lost because of that. Stupidest loss I've had aside from glitches.

[restive patrol]

did it land near your spawn by any chance

[west merlin]

No our spawn was directly uphill of the minehead

At the top of a cliff.
I walked down the ramp and was like "watch out don't go straight off" because the minehead was about to land directly in front of us

Maybe the escape pod was right behind the same wall though

[winter lantern]

Just failed a EDD run with two stoners who were too high lol

if anyone is sober enough to EDD lmk lol (xbox)

[old widget]

No, but whatever algorithm determines the landing spot usually picks from a small set of candidate locations so it can seem like it sometimes. But for example if you’re on a morkite mining mission and are down at the bottom and call it, it will spawn above you…but if you walk up the tunnel far enough before calling it, it will spawn below you

[west merlin]

Oh so when the DD is generated it generates a set of candidate locations, and each instance chooses among those at the point you call it? Interesting

I was just wondering if we got especially unlucky or if everyone had the exact same drop pod location

Well our bad luck was not having a Driller for it, with one of those it would've been trivial

[neat forum]

I think drop pod location will be persistent unless you are close to it. Then it will choose next option

Never specifically checked for this but feels like it

[west merlin]

So you've played the same DD multiple times and noticed it seems to be the exact same spot and orientation usually?

[neat forum]

Yeah, I quite often play same EDDs if they are interesting

The part I am not sure about is about changing locations in case of proximity

[deft willow]

Omfg was in stage 2 of a EDD and we had to dealt with the ghost dreadnought and a BET-c only to be at the very bottom of the cave when the drop pod is called by some idiot all the way at the top of the cave.
Only way up was my zip lines and there was a mactera swarm...

[oak jay]

Thank you for an awesome EDD! With 90m to spare for the week. @bright parcel @fossil nexus @smoky cliff

[bright parcel]

np

[deft willow]

Graz maybe I should get a group here next time, most people here seem to have a working thinker.

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Crying Heart
Stage 1: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | Rich Atmosphere Elite Threat
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 4 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Dense Biozone | Code Name: Red Sorrow
Stage 1: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: 200 Morkite + Dreadnought Twins | Parasites
Stage 3: 3 M.U.L.E.s + Dreadnought Twins | Critical Weakness Elite Threat

[lone lance]

jeez, those names. Did Mission Control lose his girlfriend this week or something?

[azure wraith]

maybe he got drunk as well??

[vale falcon]

we are the reason Mission control drinks

[lone lance]

Mission control drinks, but my headcanon is not decided on whenever it is leaf lovers or torpedo juice.

[scarlet jewel]

Its both of them

[lucid grove]

bofum

[lone lance]

lol, we got two dets on EDD stage 2, second was during a swarm in a tunnel

elite critical weakness sounds bearable too

[summer pike]

EDD wasn't very bad

[lone lance]

we pulled twins by accident. still went down, ha

[summer pike]

twins got shredded by crit weakness

[neat forum]

There shouldn't be positive modifiers on EDD, especially OP ones like critical weakness

[median minnow]

Funny you think mission control could land a girlfriend in the first place

dude doesn't even like dancing

[lone lance]

oh hi, an Elite bulk!

aand goodbye.

plenty of nitra this week

[summer pike]

reached finale of edd 3 with 450 nitra so we spammed them resups

[lone lance]

got some sneaky bulks defending at the end, but nothing especially nasty this week!

critical weakness no-sells elites, ha. some elite trijaws died faster than regular ones

[high garden]

Crit weakness last stage? Lol easy week

[lone lance]

crit weakness on twins were less noticable than expected tbh

i guess they still got some nice healthpools

[elfin falcon]

i dont think crit weakness applies to twins, isn't their head just a normal damage spot

like theyre armoured + head unarmoured

[lone lance]

their ass got an actual weakspot under the armor, unlike other enemies?

other dreads. at least i think

[elfin falcon]

i dont think they have weakspots

just checked wiki

[lone lance]

hm, is it the OG dread i am mixing up with?

exposied back should be an 1x weakspot, triggering the critical weakness

[elfin falcon]

breaking the armour reveals a normal damage area

all this is on the wiki, you can look at the models and its clearly only 2 colours- grey for normal damage, and red for the breakable armour

[pale sigil]

crit weakness no longer works on any dread

[summer pike]

ah ok, it felt easy so thought it worked

[knotty ledge]

just had the dread not spawn in on 3rd stage EDD. is there anything we can do to fix this?

[kind cipher]

Hey guys anyone here that can help me finish elite deep dive?
that stage 2 is hard af

[lone lance]

#lfg-steam is more suited

[pallid cipher]

like that story about 2 guns that did the same damage but had different SFX so one felt OP and one felt weak, i wonder if this week people will feel like the dreads melt cuz they'll feel incentivized to really focus fire.

[tidal salmon]

huh edd this week is quite easy

tho i fucked up my twins fight by going full ballistic and attacking the arbalest at close range

while it was firing its fireballs

got rekt

poor elite bulks

saw 2

instantly rekt

[lone lance]

yeah, our problems this EDD were solely of our own making, haha. But we DID salvage half the team hugging a bulk in a cave during a swarm.

[radiant granite]

critical weakness stage 3... time for minigun, lads

[ruby glacier]

v nice EDD this week

[tidal salmon]

quite the streak of easier edds this time

[zinc badger]

is this weeks edd good for 1st time edd

[pale sigil]

yeah i'd say so

[elfin falcon]

yep for sure

no real difficult modifiers, no escort, simple caves

[zinc badger]

okay, thank you

[vernal fox]

Just did my first EDD ever (tried for the first time last week, but failed). Really fun. 🙂

[lime drift]

Last weeks EDD stage 2 was brutal, don’t feel bad about failing that one

[old widget]

Honestly, a dwarf should never feel bad about failing an EDD. It’s designed to be the hardest content that the vanilla game has to offer…it’s OK to fail.

[sour raptor]

The regular deep dive looks so easy this time

[sour raptor]

On which stage of the EDD? cause there's twins on two dif levels

[lone lance]

Only stage 3 had elites

[tidal salmon]

oh i was talking about the elite bulks

but if youre asking which fight i fucked up

its the 2nd stage one

[weak zodiac]

Oh god is there an elite bulk on stage 3

[tidal salmon]

theres 2

prob more if you have more players

i was playing solo

but not to worry

crit weakness solves all your problems

[opal minnow]

Yeah but critical weakness

[ashen patrol]

bulks are random spawns no?

[opal minnow]

“Random”

I’d say if there’s a bulk in a dive you’ve got maybe a 10% chance of it not spawning on subsequent runs

[tidal salmon]

i think theres definitely some kind of pattern to these things

[opal minnow]

Also last weeks stage 2 was brutal yeah

[tidal salmon]

most of the mobs i see reappear again on other edd games

[opal minnow]

But I’d say it still wasn’t as bad as Shattered Armpit

[tidal salmon]

rare spawns*

[opal minnow]

from a couple months ago

[weak zodiac]

It was bad enough that I actually recognize that code name lmao

[opal minnow]

^

[tidal salmon]

was that the one with PE swarmegeddon and classic dread?

[opal minnow]

That was the hollow bough with haunted cave egg hunt and hiveguard

With the 8 spitballers

[tidal salmon]

there was a previous one at magma core

not hollow bough

[opal minnow]

that one sucked too

[weak zodiac]

I remember that one too

[opal minnow]

Oh the armpit one had stabbervines too

an unredeemable number

[west merlin]

That's an incredibly amusing story, was this in DRG or somewhere else?

[pallid cipher]

someone was talking about it either in drg-chat or non-drg-chat a few days ago. talking about how the warthog sounds i think, so probably the former.

[hybrid violet]

I wonder if GSG saves old dives before they rotate. It'd be cool to revisit old hard-as-hell EDDs as some kind of holiday event. Like here's 10 best EDDs from previous years - come challenge your skills once more!

[shadow shoal]

“Our previous attempts have proven a bit… less successful than we would like. Get in there miner and prove your worth, and we’ll give you a nice holiday bonus!”

[old widget]

From previous discussions on this…while you could preserve the seed that generated a deep dive, what the game /generates/ with that seed often changes in later versions as the code changes.

Maybe when modding support becomes official we’ll at least see someone mod this option for the current version though. Would be swank

[hybrid violet]

Bummer 😦

[fierce pecan]

why have there been SO many deep dives in fungus recently

[fringe kettle]

because RNG

[azure wraith]

3 bulks spawning on edd stage 1??

did we take too long or what the hell

[leaden cypress]

didn't get a single bulk spawning on EDD stage 1 tbh

[azure wraith]

we got extremely unlucky then

[ruby glacier]

when will deep dives start including double warnings

[quiet wyvern]

not sure they ever will, they've said they will be excluded from assignments and deep dives indefinitely

[ruby glacier]

ultra elite deep dive with 3 double warning missions

[raven grove]

Just throw all the warnings on it

[normal lagoon]

A deep dive that karl would approve

[west merlin]

Glad to hear that TBH. You can deliberately do a double warning if you see one that looks fun.

So assignments and DDs can get single warning/mutation... can you ever get 2 yellow mutations? I don't think I've seen one

[quiet wyvern]

nope

just regular 2 warnings when chosen by host, or by you on solo attempts

[fierce pecan]

i do not like the pit on stage 2 of this DD

i died from fall damage in it THREE TIMES solo

[spring harness]

i heard a frog sound. whats that?

[median furnace]

Bet c probably

[spring harness]

oh ok

[azure wraith]

Yeah that part is definitely painful

[fierce pecan]

it's even worse when you want to leave

as a solo engi

[feral atlas]

So....you didn't see the hole after the first time you fell in it?

Or was it just dropping off ledges while trying to get out?

[mild portal]

God that was awful

[shrewd echo]

How's this week's EDD

Looks pretty chill

[pure hazel]

everything went well until the last part of stage 3

the swarm steamrolled us and it all went downhill when a menace decided to crash the party

[tidal spruce]

How hard is EDD

[pure hazel]

relatively easy, just watch out for stage 3 battery charge

[raven grove]

Got this EDD on the first try, despite the ceiling being made of leeches.

[iron forum]

I got it on the *third attempt

[weak tangle]

there really b detonator elites out there

[valid swift]

Done EDD on the first attempt with random people. Though, granted, we played carefully and conserved ammo when possible.
Third stage felt like it could be a trainwreck, when everyone jumped into the pit with mule parts and a swarm + Bulk happened (explosion took out 3/4 people, but I managed to dodge the bomblets somehow), but after that we had no Bulks whatsoever. We even dug ourselves into a bunker and had a great time.
So, I was very lucky with the team.

[elfin falcon]

didn't get any bulks on our 2 man edd i think. But there is a pattern in the sense that if you see a bulk, you're probably gonna see more in the same level

basically the game picks a group of enemies for each map

so sometimes you wont see spitters or menaces

but if you do see one you'll probably see a few

crassus bulks are spawned with the map though, like spitballers and leeches. I dont think you can get those for EDD (I might be wrong though)

[lone lance]

We did the same thing in the pit, a friendly reminder from the game to take EDDs seriously, haha. But it worked out with some IFG and more.

[oak jay]

This EDD was way easier than last weeks. The third stage was WAY too generous with Nitra.

[silk plover]

Playing EDD and end up with randos doing underground bunkers. Then bulk appeared, we were to lucky to survive that and finished the EDD.

[tiny latch]

mfw 1st stage edd is cave leech cluster

[valid swift]

It ain't so bad

[upbeat obsidian]

But is sure is cave leech cluster. Emphasis on cluster.
It's a quite fun stage, actually

[odd plank]

Is it possible to get a core infuser event in a deep dive mission

[severe tusk]

No.

[shrewd echo]

Deep dives are as barebones as they can get

No crates, no lost packs, no machine events, no crafting minerals, no beer ingredients, no bitter gems or error cubes

Only nitra, gold and the objectives at hand

I think huuli hoarders can still spawn tho which is amusing

[tidal salmon]

saw 2

didnt manage to get the 2nd one tho

too many mobs blocking the way

[raven grove]

Want to talk about pits, the DD this week has a gigantic one.

But I was driller, so I drilled.

[thorny kernel]

i got leached at the top of that pit

and fell to the bottom when i was freed

fun times

[tidal salmon]

same

broke my legs

[sand shadow]

luckily that pit had some well spaced alcoves for the scout grapple.

[clever ember]

dd this week? I know first level, but crashed, and don't know 2 & 3

[spring harness]

which is better for scout double barrel or jumbo shell?

[lone lance]

Dives are always in the pins

[spring harness]

where do i talk about build?

[shadow shoal]

Jumbo by a lot

Double barrel is one of the worst oc’s in the whole game

[spring harness]

ok thx for the info

[shadow shoal]

No problem

[quaint lake]

special powder

[shadow shoal]

overrated tbh

[flat dirge]

how's flying overrated?

[vale falcon]

how is going at 200 mph overrated???

[tacit jungle]

hoverclock, special powder, dash, hover boots, second wind

do you want to be useful or do you want to go fast?

[buoyant wing]

big movespeed on class with big movespeed grapple hook

though tbh if I wasn't addicted to embedded det powerhouse I'd be going fast too

[leaden cypress]

scout ? useful ?

[tacit jungle]

just shoot a flare every once in a while and let the big boys deal with bugs and mission objectives

[leaden cypress]

Isn't that a description of bosco ?

[azure steppe]

can't farm revive stats unless you have a scout on your team

[thorn crater]

First EDD solo completed; feels good miners

[quaint lake]

the last stage being critical weakness is a blessing

[wraith shard]

This elite deep dive was a lot more fun than the last

Final stage was a lot of fun with a good team .

[wraith shard]

I clutch saved the dive by escaping that giant pit in stage 2 as engie today

I got out with 3 breach cutter ammo and nothing else with everybody else down. It was intense

[tacit jungle]

haha last stage EDD has a surprise

uplink out in the open and lots of steves

[valid swift]

It's never "out in the open" if you think creatively :D

[tacit jungle]

yeah we didn't expect to need to think creatively by the time it was too late

had enough nitra to build a pancake fortress tbh

[granite valley]

My team died on uplink

we screwed up the bunker

[lethal edge]

2nd stage is a nightmare

For the EDD

3 attempts and the dread fight got us all

[ashen patrol]

how to not screw up bunker: don't bunker

[granite valley]

Thats my thought but im not driller

[ashen patrol]

if my team bunkers i 1v4 the swarm

idc im not dying with u

[lethal edge]

Bunkering is a legit strategy

And genuinely helped us on the first uplink

[ashen patrol]

yeah if ur goal is to give a bulk a big hug

[lethal edge]

I mean, we had a bulk and survived it

[granite valley]

There are good bunkers that can take a bulk or oppressor but most people dont know how to make them safe

and in my case engie didnt patch all of the holes so it was practically useless

[tidal salmon]

my main problem is that bunker is just fkin boring

its an ez win button

[ruby wadi]

bunkers are for green beards

[burnt sandal]

bunkering is a valid strategy...

It's still boring as fuck and do you a disservice.

[tidal salmon]

I just think that it destroys the point of playing a horde shooter

If i really wanted to bunker id find a target range

Had a game where we played the starship trooper mod. 300% enemies on haz 5 salvage

We didnt bunker and it was one of the most epic and butt clenching experiences ive had so far with drg

An amazing experience i would have lost if we had bunkered

[ruby wadi]

i honestly don't care how valid of a strategy it is, its not fun.

[tidal salmon]

It is efficient and if you really want to get something done. Then aight

But it definitely doesnt make you a better player

[burnt sandal]

I agree it's not fun. And it's also the only reason I will TK you with no warnings if you do it in my lobby when the name of said lobby is "NO BUNKERS".

[tidal salmon]

normally i just leave it to the party. If they wanna bunker then fine. Its the hosts desire to do so

Although it is funny to watch all of us die when its not done right and a bulk comes crawling down

[burnt sandal]

when someone bunker and I'm not the host, I just stay outside

[tidal salmon]

Same. But i see a lot of bunkers mainly for salvage. So i gotta stay with them

[wraith shard]

Bunkers seem pre valid for uplink missions . If the games gonna make you stay in a tiny circle where a bulk will ruin you anyways might as well fortify it

[next pebble]

bulks only target one player at a time, work as a team and have the person being chased lead it away from the salvage point

[wraith shard]

Sure. But that doesn't mean people can't fortify the point they have to defend anyways . It's just weird to see so much random hate for a strategy that doesn't seem all that big of a deal to me. Lol

If people wanna make bunkers let em. If they don't wanna make em they don't gotta.

[south elbow]

So I joined a deep dive and I noticed host has the DD from last week

[tidal salmon]

Like i said and i think most agree with me. Bunkering is a perfectly valid strategy

The issue being is that its not very fun

(Also some people cant do it right for whatever reason)

Also bulks appearing in defense is the fun part

Its party time

[tidal salmon]

Oh and another thing. Bunkering does nothing to improve your skill as a player

[zinc coral]

My idea of what a good and valid bunker (for defending the salvage objectives specifically, honestly the term "bunkering" is pretty vague imo and can mean many other types of bunkers that some I think are also ok) is that since most uplinks are positioned such that most of the time there's a nearby wall, good bunkering would be to drill out the area towards the wall or at least dig it out enough so that you can fully walk the defense circle radius, and then putting a few 1 platform thick across the area above. That's a fine bunker and actually gives advantage.

However, most if not all bunkers I'll ever encounter ends up being super enclosed and engis put so many platforms that theres now a 3+ platform thick roof. Most of the time this does more harm than good because you just completely negated any line of sight advantage you previously had. Now you're dealing with enemies that you dont see or cant deal with until they're already 5 meters in front of you. Even worse when the engi puts so many roofs that even with bug repellant the bugs will end up choosing to actually walk on your platforms and now they're crawling on top of you under the ceiling of the platforms.

[buoyant wing]

I don't mind the concept of a bunker I just don't like the execution of it most of the time

in fact I would rather fight inside a driller tunnel

it's also because it takes a fair amount of time to set up a decent one

on haz3 pubs/deep dives it means I'm sitting and waiting for them to finish the digging/platforming and on higher haz/edd I'm pouring even more bullets into bugs

[tidal salmon]

theres a bunker method thats almost always usable on salvage

and p quick as well

drill the link underground. use repellant plats to cover the hole. Then drill a tunnel to a opening on the map

ez bunker

less than 3 mins

you can use c4 at the end to make a sphere so that you can see any sizable threats incoming

is it effective? Very. You cant lose with this bunker unless you fuck up really hard

But is it the most mind numbing and boring shit you'll experience?

Yeah

[buoyant wing]

then I guess I've never seen one that's easy, quick and good

I'm usually stuck waiting several minutes for them to finish up whatever they're doing, if it works

[winter lantern]

can anyone point me to a summary of this week's EDD?

[rough kite]

check the pins

[winter lantern]

gotcha, thx

[winter lantern]

Maybe he just had a lobby up for 24+ hours? 😭

[crystal wasp]

<@&296918282403840000> we got another scammer

[atomic anchor]

DD really is "whoops all morkite"

[wraith shard]

Oh damnit

Low oxygen

[floral sage]

hi, anyone know why some ppl have a little pickaxe next to their name in game ?

[next pebble]

They bought the supporter pack dlc

[floral sage]

ok thx

[rain bronze]

How long does a deep dive usually last?

Im planning on doing one

I wanted to be preapred

[lone lance]

depends on the group, as a noob i plan for like an hour

usually 45-60 mins for me

don't be too intimidated, a deep dive is just 3 missions back to back, hazard 3-3.5 no crafting resources to distract you from the tasks.

[rain bronze]

ty

[pale sigil]

EDD verdict

ez pz

[thorny geyser]

seeing greenbeards scrambling at elite bugs is fun

[tight sequoia]

Anyone know what the EDD missions are

[winter lantern]

check pins

Hey guys, what are the most suitable classes for this week's EDD?

(if we dont have one of each)

I saw so far scout and engi for the leeches and the turrets to kill pests... but not sure if there are any places driller is super valuable

[winged pewter]

just completed my first ever deep dive :D

[pale sigil]

Driller's very useful in general. There's double salvage, so his area denial is nice. And cryo is a big boon vs the twins

[tight sequoia]

Gg

[winged pewter]

solo ;-;

[tight sequoia]

Nice

I did this weeks duo scout and engi

[remote warren]

if you do the same deep dive twice do you get XP & money again

[remote warren]

same!

[hazy comet]

yep the only thing you dont get is the cores again

but just running regular missions is faster xp/money

[agile pilot]

splintering shells or carpet bomber for blind deep dives?

[radiant granite]

I guess splintering shells is slightly more generalist? but if you're using a good single target damage secondary with carpet bomber it's totally subjective

[agile pilot]

i'm using brt with compact mags, I guess i'll use carpet bomber until i feel like dreadnaught dps is lacking

it just feels weird to use my secondary for dreadnaughts after using the minigun for so long

[winter lantern]

In a solo EDD atm, anything particular I should watch out for on stage 2-3? (just did stage 1)

[tulip vault]

How prepared do I need to be for a deep dive?

[valid swift]

Know the basics, be comfortable at playing hazard 4 (not going down too much, not wasting too much ammo), be willing to communicate with other players/plan ahead with your equipment (for example taking some heavy-hitting weapons, if it's 2 Dreadnought missions back to back, or a good crowd clearing weapon, if there is only swarm-focused objectives like eggs/uplinks). And, obviously, have a promoted dwarf you are going to play as.

[tulip vault]

Sweet!

Sounds like im ready to go, thought I'd need things like weapon overclocks etc

[valid swift]

Overclocks would really help, but if you can perform well without them, you should be alright. Just make sure you are on the same page with your team tho!

[neat forum]

Gunner with minigun is really helpful

Good against dreadnoughts and will destroy critical weakness on 3rd mission

Cryo driller+gunner combo sshould be ok, since stopping power of cryo will help with "hold the ground" salvages

[golden granite]

4 scouts also works

[cobalt elbow]

<@&296918282403840000> scam above

[lean oasis]

Hello any info absout DRG and Unreal Engine 5? Will be upragade?

[lone lance]

Huh, UE4 actually is forward compatible. Sounds like a waste of dev resources though. Gib OCs.

[atomic anchor]

From what im seeing, either some DPS/horde clearing gunner or a hipster scout will be best for soloing the DD

The scout can more easily deal with the low oxygen modifier by just zipping back to molly, but since it is the last stage of the DD you could just drop resups down as checkpoints whenever

Though elite threat with mini mules seems like it's a recipe for some bad situations if you lack good awareness

[untold creek]

Critical weakness makes the elites cake id argue

Especially with a gun sporting high base damage

A tap to the head with a subata is enough to drain a 3rd of most lesser elite’s health

It’s a massive help and it reduces the threat from elite tankiness

[vale lintel]

most lesser elites yeah but half the elites are praetorians and the rest are grunt guards

[untold creek]

I’ve found the praetors go down fast even with their health

I’ll concede that I wasn’t the only person on the mission, but the third stage was quite easy for a team of 3

And I suspect the advantages of crit weakness carry over to solo

[atomic anchor]

Unfortunately there's no crit weakness for the elites in the regular deep dive

But an effectivly haz 3 elite is way easier to deal with than an end stage EDD elite

[raven grove]

Try BRT with leadspray. You'll wonder why you ever bothered with minigun for dreads.

[leaden cypress]

BRT compact mags

[somber owl]

we lost the EDD on stage 3 uplink because our engie kept mining the uplink zone.

We kept dying to friendly fire from his mines.

In retrospect I probably should have kicked.

we told him to stop in chat too.

[agile basin]

Sounds like an engi I had during my first edd try this week
Built an terrible platform roof over the uplink, then nuked us after the rest of us agreed to take it down

[wraith shard]

I dug the fuel cell to bedrock once

[spring harness]

ist me or the menace to op?

[granite valley]

Can’t say I have too much experience but I think it’s fair

[patent cliff]

Drill needed for DD at all?

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[old widget]

Driller’s always nice on morkite tunnel missions, but not strictly /needed/

[spring harness]

fair enough

[hazy comet]

nah the menace is only good at shooting people who dont move

it dies really fast if you shoot the mouth or glowy spots

[spark belfry]

how is this EDD

[hazy comet]

pretty easy. just bring dread killing loadouts

[old widget]

Yeah. Was a pretty chill EDD as things go. We didn’t even spec for dread killing, just the usual mix of CC and HVT weapons

[winter lantern]

Is taking less players worth it to scale the enemy amount down?

.... guess it depends on player skill

Still though... Hm.

[burnt sandal]

Since the game will scale with player count, it literally does nothing in the end. It's all up to player's skill

[main cosmos]

I ended up with like 25 revives on my scout in an EDD, got to refueling the last drop pod, I think we kept getting nuked by our Engi, then at one point I think I got shot in the back of the head by an Elephant Round Bulldog shot. We ended up losing it. >,,>

[zinc coral]

Can be worth it if it's known that having a full team will most likely spawn a BET-C or something. But other than that, would mostly say its dependent on player skill. Having more players has its advantages (being able to fully utilize other dwarf tools/weapons), but its main drawback is that if there's dead weight then its harder. But then with less people, lesser experienced players might not be able to make up for the loss of the other dwarf's kit. So basically everything cancels out, so pretty much just depends on individual skill.

[valid swift]

Aren't BET-C spawns fixed on DD?

[zinc coral]

Sometimes they don't spawn for non-full teams. It's happened multiple times before. Full teams reporting that they get a BET-C spawn but non-full teams dont

[valid swift]

Gotta keep that in mind I guess...

[winter lantern]

It feels like nitra spawns change with player count, too

[fading fjord]

oh man... i lost at the very last second in last stage on EDD solo, too bad i forgot to bring any good solo perks .. lol

dash would have saved me for sure

[stark dust]

I just unlocked deep dives, are they worth doing?

[leaden cypress]

yes they are

not only EDD is the hardest content the game has to offer, but both deep dives also allow you to unlock matrix cores, overclocks & skins

There 3 ways to get matrix cores, and deep dives & elite deep dives are 2 of them

the 3rd one being the weekly matrix core assignment

[little timber]

Worth doing is hard to say, the EDD can be very grueling each week (looking at you haunted cave) but as mentioned they are one of the few ways to get overclocks and every other way is time limited so if you want to access some real game changers for most weapons they are a must

they also tend to be pretty fun

since the rewards for the weekly, the EDD, and the regular deep dive are the same I would def do the other two before the EDD each week but once you get the hang of it each is good to do every week

[elfin falcon]

I don't think this is true. It could just be that with less people you might cover less ground, miss nitra up high if you don't have a scout etc

If someone knows for sure then correct me

[old widget]

I’ve never heard of (or personally seen evidence of) mineral spawns varying with player count.

[neat heath]

anyone want to jump on an EDD? ive failed this fucker like 6 times already and going back for more punishment

[main cosmos]

If you'd like, I can give it a shot.

But according to your status your squad is full, so >,,>

[wraith shard]

if you want the edd advice, take it from a pro : you want 4 gunners. make sure u go in HOT on ziplines, blasting

[neat forum]

my todays EDD was HOT enough, i think we got like 7-8 bulks in total

got a triple spawn completely blocking us on second mission after pressing the button. Good thing scout got away

[west merlin]

There have also been cases where 2p teams reported a BET-C while full teams didn't

It probably raises the odds with more players

[burnt sandal]

BET-C are seeded, just like every level generated enemy, and those also scale with player counts.
The generation is adjusted depending on the number of players.

[west merlin]

IMO if you only do 1 hour of DRG a week make it the deep dive. At least for the first few weeks.
The optimal playstyle is of course "whatever you enjoy the most" but if you enjoy all missions equally, the optimal for core unlocking once you get your first promotion is

1. do the regular deep dives every week
2. Do the Breaching the Core assignment ASAP, then do Weekly Core Hunt every week.
3. In a week where you've finished both of those and also any important assignments like weapon unlocks, try the EDD but be warned you probably won't win, it's Haz 5 difficulty

[pale prawn]

It would be great if EDD would only reward you with OC and skins etc.
Especially "late" game when you are kinda farming for endless skins/moves and you get 2-3 blank cores instead.

[west merlin]

IME taking 2-3 players is slightly worse since you've got the same guns/enemy but fewer eyes to spot things/players to do objectives simultaneously, easier to lose a mission by fluke if just 2-3 players mess up, and fewer traversal tools.
It depends a lot on player skill and just chance though

[west merlin]

Hmm?
It gives you 1 blank core, 1 OC and 1 skin.
The blank core is supposed to be more of a consolation prize I think

Unless you're the type who devotes your life to DRG such that you use up 3/week.
I guess that only take about 12 regular missions

[pale prawn]

This week's elite (failed 3rd stage so far) gave me 2 blank cores. Both 1st and 2nd stages shows blank cores.

[west merlin]

Huh.
Do you have every single weapon overclock unlocked?

[pale prawn]

Yes that's correct to be fair, got all OC

It should give skin instead :/

[west merlin]

Ah yes that makes sense.
That's the game telling you to play a different game

Or just play purely for fun instead of "progress"

But if you really just enjoy farming, if it gave skins instead you'd run out of skins to farm sooner

[pale prawn]

Well with new updates coming I think it's still paced out very well. I still enjoy the game a lot, just thought EDD should always give you more significant(harder to get) rewards because you can get blank cores from weekly and DDs.

[amber maple]

That could lead to gatekeeping the better oc to edd only, its best the pools stay as they are for game balance. Nothing is actually significantly harder to get. Its just a numbers game that eventually get everything as the pools empty out

[radiant granite]

it doesn't scale linearly though. like if you go from 2 to 4 players, the enemy count is less than doubled. and more obviously there's no difference between 1 and 2 players despite bosco not packing nearly as much firepower as a player

not to mention with more players you have more traversal tools, more people to gather resources and find things, and more people to watch angles

[hazy comet]

i always feel like 2-3 players is easier than 4 but maybe that's because i'm used to carrying pubs

i dont like playing solo its boring. there are no bugs

[wraith shard]

i can blast through a dreads butt in like half a second with 2 players

[runic fern]

Literally just did that in a Dreadnaught game, the bugs didn't stand a chance

[buoyant wing]

edd bulk count: 3

let's see if that changes

[buoyant wing]

4 hahaha

[azure wraith]

I had the same amount

and I'm sure another one would've spawned if we stayed further

[mystic rock]

Got 5 bulks and 3 elite grabbers during the edd

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[simple pilot]

Can I just point out the fucking 50 meter hole on the second stage of the deep dive? I was really fucking glad I was engie for that one

[old widget]

Yeah that was interesting

[azure wraith]

bulk spawned while we were at the bottom of that pit

fun

[raven grove]

I just drilled around it.

[frigid root]

I'm in my first deep dive and i just finished repairing the 3 minis but there is no button on molly to uplink to mission control? is it different in deep dives?

[old widget]

Molly’s button should appear if the upper right primary objective has changed to “uplink to mission control”. If it doesn’t, that’s a bug (and one I’ve personally never seen!)

[frigid root]

yes it says to uplink to mission control

i guess i should report it?

[old widget]

If there’s no button, that’s a bug. Yeah.
I’m dumb, do the secondary

Probably no workaround

But you can ask in #bug-discussion

[frigid root]

well that's a great start for my first dive

[old widget]

Indeed.

Are you solo or is someone else hosting?

[frigid root]

solo

[old widget]

Weird.

[quiet mortar]

Did you get all the Morkite?

[frigid root]

no, i assumed it was a side mission like normal

[quiet mortar]

Nah, gotta get both on Deep Dives to progress!

Tends to throw new players for a loop lol

[frigid root]

ah i see, i thought it might have been that but since it said to uplink i didn't bother

[quiet mortar]

Well hey, you know now lol

There should really be a Deep Dive guide or something in-game. DRG doesn't teach you about them at all really

[old widget]

Oh crap. Good catch.

I completely forgot that it locks that button on salvage if you haven’t completed the secondary 🤦‍♂️

I knew about it on liquid morkite or PE primaries but forgot it locked you from progressing to uplink phase on salvage

I guess it’s easier for them to hide the button vs not let you hammer on the uplink

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[upbeat obsidian]

Did the deep dive tonight with a buddy, he played Engi and I played Scout. In the second stage, we got a random Dread spawn at the bottom of the massive pit/shaft. Then he fell three times trying to climb up for extraction, so I had to go to the pod without him.
I came to look on here to see how many people were having trouble with that pit

[novel glen]

yeah one of my buddies fell in that pit and a big exploder came down to say hi 🙂 fucker killed me and I got off

[next stirrup]

It was kinda fun to see the glyphids body's hit the bottom of the pit

[haughty orchid]

That shaft was a real wild environmental hazard

[jade heart]

dude that pit is insane, gunner ziplines can streamline the ascent but it's a doozey

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[buoyant wing]

I just made a long spiral as driller

tbh I feel like that form of pit is rare for cave generation in general

I've seen it only a few times at most

[plain wharf]

the pit was horrid, the gunner got caught by a cave leech right above it and i freed him and sent him straight to his death

[neat forum]

Yeah, it was quite unique in a sense of it's size

Drops without way up is not super-rare, but not this huge

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[strong sequoia]

Edd not updating?

[uncut raptor]

restart your game

either that or the EDD is in biozone again

[azure wraith]

nah mission name is the same

probably have to restart

[uncut raptor]

fair enough

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Sandblasted Corridors | Code Name: Abandoned Bottom
Stage 1: 6 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Low Gravity Shield Disruption
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Classic + Twins) + 150 Morkite | Haunted Cave
Stage 3: 7 Aquarq + 150 Morkite | No Mutators!

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Cold Find
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + 150 Morkite | No Mutators!
Stage 3: Protect the Drilldozer + 150 Morkite | Cave Leech Cluster

[uncut raptor]

low o2 morkite? that's fun

[severe tusk]

My random team all fell to their deaths, one by one. I was engi and managed to hop down using several platforms against the cliff face right after a swarm spawned. I used my insta rez to get one of them up and we pulled it together and won. I can't recall ever losing a normal DD, but that pit tried its best to make it a first 😄

[broken shore]

EDD 2nd : 6 egg + 150 morkite / no mutator

EDD 3rd Escort dozer + 150 morkite / cave leech cluster

[crisp snow]

I was gunner and lemme tell you.

Wasn't fun.

I've never seen a hole like that with zero ledges or anything, just a sheer drop.

[tidal salmon]

Rip its escort for last mission

Looks like no solo scout this week

:(

[brisk pagoda]

bring steve, ifg and embed det

[tidal salmon]

It doesnt really help

I can make it all the way to the end

But it doesnt matter if i spend the entire time repairing

The furthest i ever got on a scout solo was prob the laser phase

Then the spawns were suddenly dogshit and everything became a nightmare

Alsom have you actually tried a haz 5 solo scout on escort b4? Its a fuckin pain

[ruby glacier]

yea solo escort on scout is impossible

[vale falcon]

Unless you are a god

[azure wraith]

dd stage 2 was interesting

stage 3 is really easy with the aquarq placements

only needed 2-3 ziplines

[tidal salmon]

im not even sure about the god part

ill give it a hard maybe