deep-dive-discussion

[past shuttle]

What’s some gunner builds that would be good to solo EDD’s?

[uncut raptor]

i went with 32112 exhaust vectoring leadstorm with the standard magic bullets + neurotoxin bulldog build (23212)

[west merlin]

Does this weeks' dive have any Refining or anything else where I'll regret not having a Driller (poorly placed uplink type event)?

About to start it and have a party of Engineer, Scout and Gunner, wondering how long we should wait to try to get a 4th

[high garden]

The pinned post has the current deep dive missions

No on site refining this week
Though tbh I’d still always recommend a driller because tunnelling to the drop pod makes escaping a ton easier

[wraith shard]

Can you bring a buff beer effect into a Deep Dive?

[hazy comet]

yes

[wraith shard]

Nice

Thanks

[lethal yacht]

honestly the low 02 kicked my ass before i got the hang of it. our squad had to skip betc

[west merlin]

Oh do both the regular and elite deep dives have BET-Cs this week?

[warm light]

No only the DD

[lethal yacht]

the EDD definitely had a betc near the second egg on stage1

and there is one on stage 2 of the regular deep dive

[obtuse ingot]

Hmmm.. Maybe with more players? I played it yesterday with just one person and we never saw one

I saw it with 2 on the regular, though

[lethal yacht]

hmmmm, that is odd

[obtuse ingot]

How many did you have?

[brave pier]

I didn't see a betsy

ran with 4 and 3 players

[lethal yacht]

i had 4 players... that's really odd

i remember it distinctly because we were carful not enter that room. we opted to drill around the egg instead

[obtuse ingot]

Actually now that I think of it, I did the regular one twice. Once with 2 and didn't see one, once with 4 and did see one

[lethal yacht]

i'm curious as to what conditions would make it different.

just number of players?

[burnt sandal]

yes

Bet-C is a "cave generated" enemies, like leeches and spitballers but those do scale with the number of players. That's the only factor that might make it spawns, or not.
That and the microsoft-steam versions differences. Those are minors but still present.

[old widget]

BET-C is an interesting one though…it’s not so much “scaling to # of players” as it is “player count affects whether RNG spawns a BET-C or not”. I’ve seen DDs where 4 players didn’t get a BET-C spawn but 2 players did

It’s almost like player count is one of the bits of entropy that goes into the RNG for whether BET-C spawns

[hearty shale]

How much harder is the elite dive than the regular? What makes it elite?

[old widget]

Effective hazard level. DD is Haz 3/3.5/3.5, EDD is Haz 4.5/5/5.5 for first/second/third stages, respectively

Go play a haz 3 mission then a haz 5. Roughly the difference you’ll see in difficulty going from DD to EDD.

[west merlin]

Btw the Mactera Swarm + Critical Weakness was incredibly fun.
How much decision-making goes into these from GSG? Do they have some playtesters run multiple different ones and choose the one they liked best?

I assume the regular missions are purely automatically generated with no human involvement

[old widget]

From previous times I’ve asked that question here, there’s no hand selection or curation beyond maybe a simple run through to make sure the cavegen isn’t bugged or something

The RNG just does its thing and we suffer or celebrate accordingly

[west merlin]

I suppose that's good because they might not have let Mactera + Critical Weakness through otherwise. Those things really melted as soon as you could hit them

Huh this was a very "rescuing robots week" DD.
If only we could take BET-C with us we'd have rescued 6 robots in total

[hearty shale]

Ah, I see, thanks!

[burnt sandal]

none, it's entirely RNG.

[west merlin]

Did every single person who played this one get Doretta extracting the same egg in the exact same way unless they drilled ahead on their own before starting?

Is the Dozer's path determined during map generation or is there a dozer AI that decides where to go with some amount of randomness/variation

[lavish zodiac]

Well I got a glitch were it had double dreads

[keen vortex]

does the difficultly decrease when you have less member?

[lavish zodiac]

No

But it was double hive guard

[long birch]

I'm doing the EDD this afternoon

Any tips?

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[long birch]

😰

I hope I can manage this today lol

[dreamy dragon]

Start the twins in last stage after fighting off the first official swarm

The rest seems pretty straight forward

[quartz badge]

Oh, that was new to me. So when players leave a DD/EDD you are still left with generated stuff for the number of players initially starting the dive. Thanks for info. Do you know if it resets per stage?

[old widget]

In our run, Dotty juuuust skimmed over the egg, it was popping up from the ground but not released. I believe her pathing is not predetermined at map generation.

Egg positions should be consistent in a DD.

[old widget]

Yes, difficulty scales up and down with number of players in DD/EDD similar to a normal mission.

See https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty_Scaling

[west merlin]

Oh dang that's lucky.
I'm glad my party somehow didn't get screwed by that egg

[old widget]

I was kinda sad about it TBH, had my terrain scanner up and was about to capture an epic moment

[wraith shard]

pull it for double the fun

hopefully the new EDD has a good egg mission for a big pull event

[old widget]

(I did…but then we popped five eggs at once in DD stage 2…)

[wraith shard]

last stage preferably

[wraith shard]

this is the right way imo

[old widget]

Always looking for ways to spice it up a little

[wraith shard]

yeah and you can clump the bugs up to blap them

[old widget]

Probably took us longer to coordinate that five-egg pull than to just pop and go, but it was fun

[long birch]

Update: I was indeed done in by the twins

I'll call that good enough

I can do without a cosmetic

[severe tusk]

I tried the EDD twice. The first try the Scout quit on us on stage 2 and we lost. I was Cryo driller and somehow had the most kills, which obviously isn't ideal. Second try was with a crew of 3 greenbeards. We got to the end of stage 3, but a huge swarm spawned as we were doing the twins and we failed. Apparently, it is best to pop them right after the 1st swarm. There is a ton of nitra available, so that isn't an issue. My second group went super slow and I think we still had 300-400 nitra left by the time we fought the twins.

[tight finch]

im on stage 3 of my first ever deep dive

1 bulk detonator and 3 oppressers

[burnt sandal]

It probably scales at the moment the person leaves. Except for pre-generated enemies ofc

[lavish zodiac]

Have fun

[next badge]

Im getting pwed at stage 2 edd as solo engineer, those elites are hard to deal with. any tips?

[jaunty ravine]

yeah get a team

[next badge]

😦

[thick ridge]

more fatboys :^)

[marble merlin]

if a crassus detonator spawns in a deep dive, will it always spawn?

[uncut raptor]

no because they can't spawn in DD/EDD lol

[marble merlin]

darn

thats kinda lame

[rugged basin]

all three of engi's grenades are good at distracting elites -- proxies and plasma bursters cause fear and lure is a lure ofc
but of course you still need damage to be able to kill them so either hyper propellant or breach cutter

[feral atlas]

the actual answer is to not play engi

and switch to gun with the mini

[rugged basin]

or scout for that matter

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[severe tusk]

Finally completed this week's EDD on my 4th try. Had a veteran team for the first time and it went pretty smoothly.

[oak granite]

Cherche des français pour jouer lvl 4 ingé

[burnt sandal]

https://discord.gg/TBxaXEC

[oak granite]

Yep but no one in this discord

[lavish zodiac]

True

[quartz badge]

Yeah, for the enemy count spawns i knew that. I specifically meant the pre-generated stuff. I guess when a player leaves, for example, on stage 1 you'll be left with the pre-generated stuff for stage 1 and on stage 2, the pre-generation will be adjusted to the current player count. Thanks again 🙂

[copper summit]

I wonder what this edd will be like

[long birch]

As long as it doesn't end with twins on top of a monstrous swarm I'll be happy

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[wanton knoll]

Management will continue to ask for eggs per usual

[uncut raptor]

Will we see the fabled triple escort in magma core for the EDD?

[covert plaza]

for a extra hot summer

[covert plaza]

triple exploder infestation

and with dread along the path of doretta

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[uncut raptor]

will do the DD and post stages shortly

[dusk ibex]

what places are the DD and EDD at?

[uncut raptor]

DD is in fungus bogs

[covert plaza]

deep underground

[uncut raptor]

first stage has a dread, will post what it is in a moment

[dusk ibex]

oh ok thanks

[long birch]

I hate fungus bogs

[uncut raptor]

it's a classic dread

2nd stage of DD is 200 morkite + black box w/ swarmageddon...

[dusk ibex]

am i the only person that likes fungus bogs

[tidal valley]

I don't really mind it

[uncut raptor]

it's not so bad, it's just the sticky goo and the fart mushrooms

[dusk ibex]

fart funny

[tidal valley]

the only biome I actively dislike is glacial.

I hate slowing effects

[dusk ibex]

you must hate slashers then

[covert plaza]

Fartshrooms

[tidal valley]

I take them out with extreme prejudice

[dusk ibex]

lmao

[tidal valley]

along with web spitters

[uncut raptor]

1st stage: 3 mules, 1 dread (classic) w/ exploder infestation
2nd stage: 200 morkite, black box w/ swarmageddon
3rd stage: 4 eggs, blac box w/ no mutators

for the DD

[signal pawn]

Deep Dive | Heavy Den | Fungus Bogs
1 - 3 Mini-Mules Dreadnought Exploder Infestation
2 - 200 Morkite Black Box Swarmageddon
3 - 4 Eggs Black Box

Elite Deep Dive | Jagged Hold | Glacial Strata
1 - 3 Mini-Mules Twins Mactera Plague
2 - Twins + Hiveguard 2 Mini-Mules Elite Threat
3 - 4 Eggs 150 Morkite Regenerative Bugs

[uncut raptor]

EDD doesn't look so bad tbh

2nd stage i'm not looking forward to though

[keen vine]

i wonder how many people will fail on the dreadnought though

[viral barn]

at least 3

[obtuse ingot]

DD seemed harder than usual, at least the first two stages. 3rd was pretty easy I thought

Detonators showing up when you're confined to the uplink is tricky when you're solo!

[mellow cove]

Huh, I solo'd and no det

[copper summit]

rng

[idle heart]

Two bulks appear when 4 people, at least that was my experience (on first stage)

[stone crag]

what dread am i getting in the first stage

[old widget]

OG

[tidal salmon]

yikes that elite bulk det

[stone crag]

my team just lost because of the det

[hallow heron]

This week's DD and EDD is comically easy.

Dreadnoughts are completely vulnerable when there's a Driller lugging around a Cryocannon.

[tidal salmon]

i could do without elite threats but ye the mission types are definitely manageable

[tidal salmon]

rip

there was a breeder along with the det as well

annoying to deal with

esp on solo

[obtuse ingot]

What's your player level? Any idea if that has anything to do with difficulty of generated bugs by chance? Mines somewhere around 80

I had a detonator in stage 1 and in 2 when doing the uplink

[mellow cove]

Rank 200, don't think player level has anything to do with it

Probably just random swarm gen

[old widget]

Player/dwarf level doesn’t affect spawns

[regal mango]

dies that random dread spawn on stage 2 of the DD for everyone?

[covert plaza]

welp we just lost stage 2 because apparently the arbalest didnt want to stop launching explosive bombs

[quaint lake]

arbalest goes into rage if you kill the lacerator, and spams bombs for about 8 seconds

[slate mulch]

Looks like an Ice Storm elite dive for drillers of the world

[covert plaza]

they were both alive

[proud fulcrum]

guys this DD sucks

[keen bronze]

whats the edd

[covert plaza]

lol

elite deep dive

[keen raptor]

how many damn twins are these dives gunna spawn

i swear for like a month straight there have been twins lol

[wraith shard]

they want people to learn how to fight them properly

[severe tusk]

Run & Gun.

[old widget]

If you run Ice Storm on this one let me know how it goes, I always debate that on EDDs with dreads and elites. Our crew won’t be running this one til Monday due to holiday

[nova sundial]

whoops

[slate mulch]

Sure thing, I'll likely run it tonight

[obtuse ingot]

Yeah doesn't sound like it. Wasn't sure as it seemed at times it felt like the spawns were easier with lower ranking players, but must have just been the randomness wasn't so bad

[obtuse ingot]

I didn't see one

[void remnant]

if im lfg for deep dive is that in #lfg-steam still?

[obtuse ingot]

Yeah, you can just say that's what you're looking to do in your message

[void remnant]

ah

[idle heart]

Did my first elite deep dive, feeling good

[obtuse ingot]

I remember how stoked I was when I did my first one! Congrats!

The next ones won't feel as stressful since you've already gotten it once before haha

[warm light]

EDD this week wasn't so bad

However even the easiest of missions become significantly harder when you're playing with idiots, on the last stage of my second attempt at the EDD, our driller and scout went down to that little pocket with the three eggs and decided to pop two at once.

We were swamped fast, I'm not sure how I stayed alive during the whole thing, I was frozen several times from the two jets.

They both went down like, four or six times during that fiasco.

Had a good time though, they had the skill needed to make up for their own faults, beat it in two tries.

Both tries were with the first team I found.

[hushed sequoia]

same happened to me

but we didnt make it

i dont get why some people use iron will when theres resupply pods around but dont get the supply pod

bad spot to fight 3 swarms at once because of those ice tunnels

[gleaming spindle]

since we couldn’t bag anybody else to come with us me and a rando just decided to double driller

on last week’s edd

we got to the end of stage 2 and then everything just fell apart

[cunning zinc]

Don't you love it when you join an elite deep dive when you only have enough time to run through once and then the host aborts when you're about 7 minutes in.

[forest needle]

@cunning zinc I love when that happens it’s like Christmas coming early

[next stirrup]

Hows this weeks EDD

[plucky raft]

I cant seem to get past the 3rd phase on deep dive, even with a full 4 people. Any suggestions? Its the first dive, just got my first promotion.

[severe tusk]

I'm not sure, it seemed pretty straight forward to me. What do you think is causing you to fail?

[plucky raft]

Overwhelming numbers of enemies

they just keep coming

lol

[severe tusk]

Are you running out of nitra/ammo? Or just getting blitzed?

Also, what class are you?

[tidal salmon]

P easy overall. Just watch for the elite bulk detonator+elite praetorian+breeder

At least i found them all in one room

But after that its easy

I had a bet c later on as well so idk whether that will apply for you

[severe tusk]

In my 3 man group for the EDD, there was a BET-C next to one of the dreads on stage 2.

[tidal salmon]

Yep next to the hiverguard egg right?

[severe tusk]

I think it always has the dreads spawn in a certain order, regardless of which cocoon you pop first. But it was the one not next to the big icy floor. That was kind of fun fighting the twins on the ice though, skating around the whole time.

[tidal salmon]

That was my exprience as well

Tho the elite bulk det made a huge crater in it :(

Spoiling my ice skating experience

[olive dune]

https://youtu.be/YRX6y1tMXUs
Molly bullying me 😦
video gets a bit overloud

[wraith shard]

First DD run had a bronze 3 bunkering driller. I’m glad I DC’d mid stage 2.

[dreamy dragon]

Hey man I've arachnophobia ok, no need to hate on me like that 😢

[noble rose]

Hi I want to ask something. Why my weekly assignments is active locked? What should I do?

[dreamy dragon]

Is your dwarf promoted yet?

[normal lagoon]

God twins again

[obtuse ingot]

Well, I tried the EDD solo and in stage 2, I was in the big cave with the leech, 2 spitball infectors, a menace and a detonator appeared...plus the dreadnought egg on the ceiling that I was trying not to pop and the elite threat with a swarm 😆 I'm quite proud of myself for getting through all that and defeating the dreadnought after, only to be trying to finish up the level and getting hit by a cave leech in another part of the level when I was searching for some red sugar 🤣

Probably the most fun I've had playing the game

[feral atlas]

pretty braindead EDD

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1684892219953410290/409C99EDC4E4C424F37B94856F51F8D56D5694D7/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[woeful bolt]

What hazard do you normally play? If it's not haz 4 I suggest getting used to haz4

[red palm]

And haz 5 too, as the last two missions are haz 5 and 5.5

[wraith shard]

Well he said DD not EDD

should be beating that DD stage 3 in under 10 minutes tbh. Get the uplink and pull 3/4 eggs at once. do the fight, pull the last one and call the drop pod before you even leave the egg goo.

[severe tusk]

I did a 3 man EDD with a level 21 and level 40 and thought at first, "Well at least I'll get some intel on how to beat it on a future attempt." But they were actually a lot better players than average for that level range and we beat it, even with one guy going AFK for 10-15 minutes on the last stage.

[rough kite]

EDDs aren't honestly any harder than 3 short Hazard 5s in a row

But some hazard 5s are a cakewalk

And some are a nightmare

[feral atlas]

Honestly, this EDD is quite on the lower end of difficulty. Pretty sure an engi can carry 3 people with a general purpose loadout.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're deliberately lowering the difficulty just for the sale rush of new players.

[severe tusk]

It's just random.

[next badge]

EDD seems easy this week indeed, I solo'd first one and almost got the second one down as engi on my first try

Mactera plague is a joke

[chrome quiver]

Okay so I don’t have much time to play the game, and last night I was doing the deep dive and my internet went out partway during the 3rd stage

Should I bother doing it again, or should I just focus on the weekly core assignment cause I got the oc from the dd already (which is the most important part)?

[zinc coral]

if u dont have much time, then just focus on the weekly core since u stage 3 is just cosmetic core anyway

[chrome quiver]

That’s what I was thinking

[zinc coral]

then after u complete weekly core and u do happen to have time to play again, then u can complete it if u wanted to. although it is only a cosmetic core; if u dont mind putting the resources/gold in, forging it will count towards ur forge level which ultimately gives u cosmetic/combat core that alternates between forge levels

or do the Elite deep dive if u havent already

[chrome quiver]

I don’t craft cosmetic cores

I don’t have the resources

[zinc coral]

yeah then just do weekly then and EDD if u have time for that too

[chrome quiver]

I’ve had to buy bismor for the last few ocs I built

[zinc coral]

yeah it can be tough especailly if u dont have time in general to farm resources. i'd suggest in your case to find out which OCs are the most popular for a gun to decide whether forging the overclock is worth it in the first place

[chrome quiver]

Yeah, the problem is though that I’m interested in a lot of the overclocks lol

[bronze rose]

how am i supposed to get a balanced team for elite deep dive, i keep getting duplicates

i feel like one of each makes the whole experience easier

[chrome quiver]

If you’re hosting you can make it so that there can’t be duplicates

[obtuse ingot]

Really? Is that generated randomly too? I walked into the first room and had at least 10+ surrounding me immediately. I was playing gunner and was able to stick one with a grenade to take out several, otherwise I'm pretty sure I'd have nearly died haha

[chrome quiver]

He’s evidently a god gamer

Mactera plague isn’t that easy

[slate mulch]

Depends on the class but Mactera are no joke

Driller has more trouble with them on average than scout for example

[chrome quiver]

Unless snowball

[next badge]

I just bunker them, put electric thingy on my sentry, they get stunned and I pickaxe them to death

not god gamer, just abuse the AI XD

[chrome quiver]

Sounds like high level gamer strats

[feral atlas]

mactera plague is just free kills for engi

[raven grove]

Flame driller can deal with them relatively easily by digging, too

ten incoming trijaws become pushovers in an L-tunnel

[chrome quiver]

Or epc

[feral atlas]

Honestly, there are a ton of ways to easily cheese mactera plague on every class but scout, since he only gets 4 cryo grenades.

It should be a free win if you've played enough, especially if you know it's coming before hand.

[chrome quiver]

Free win

Lol

[regal mango]

Engi has incendiary pgl to nuke them, tho triple line BC is nice too. MPA warthog is a good primary to pop them with

Gunner has shield and six shooter Bulldog for one shots

Driller has TFC and Snowball, 15 range Tuned Cooler is nice too

Scout has Cryo grenades for instakills

it’s very build dependent but each class has options

[feral atlas]

engi has more than that

after the buff, turret whip will 1 shot normal mactera in clusters

probably shave off about 1/3rd of haz5 4p hp off grabbers and bombers

[regal mango]

Yeah Engi has more than that i just didnt list it cuz incendiary PGL is rlly all he does need, I always take it for mactera plague

For scout I wonder if shaped shells might have a niche against mactera. Think it’d need a damage mod for one shots but idk how accurate the OC makes it

[feral atlas]

eh, either primary is better for it

if you must use secondary, then the embedded det nuks

[raven grove]

I don't really change my engi build for mactera plague. I just keep my cycle overload and fatboy.

[rustic fjord]

Hey, Are the missions in the Deep Dives the same for everyone?
And if they are can someone tell me the missions in the Heavy Den Deep Dive?

[night dune]

the missions get pinned in this channel every week

[obtuse ingot]

Nice strategy! I threw up a shield at one point to pickaxe a hole and hid there to take them out when doing the drop pod recharge, but never thought to do it all the time 👍 Thanks for the tip

[gleaming spindle]

im so tired of twins every week

i mean they’re easy but give me more regular dreads

they’re cooler and don’t smell bad

[uncut raptor]

right... so you want random twin spawns during a twin dread secondary objective?

can be arranged, just for you

[shadow shoal]

I’d actually like that

[raven grove]

Point extraction, but every wave is twins

[restive patrol]

i'd do it

40 nitra resupps

twins are easier than hive imo

[stoic sundial]

question: so for the M1000, if you have only 1 bullet left in your clip and you do a focused shot- does it do full damage?

[radiant granite]

twins are hardest dread

OG and hive both have easier to avoid attack patterns, primarily because there's not two of them but also because arbalest's fireball shotgun is the most dangerous attack any dread variant has

[chrome quiver]

I want to test this now

Also my internet is out till some unknown time tomorrow, so I probably won’t be redoing the deep dive to finish it fully

I’ll barely be able to finish the core assignment

[severe tusk]

The classic dread gives my random teams the most trouble, but for some reason I tend to get paired with some greenbeards whenever I fight him, and they have a hard time learning to keep their distance, even if I mention it.

Dread fights can also be way harder if your team chooses a bad location to fight.

[wraith shard]

What elemental effects can affect dreadnaughts? Like stun, neurotoxin, slowed by sticky flames? Stuff like that.

[hazy comet]

freeze radiation

[wraith shard]

I tried freezing it, but it freezes for like 0.02 seconds

[hazy comet]

i mean it works. also makes them take insane damage

[wraith shard]

Hmm...

[lime drift]

They don’t resist freezing damage as much as fire, the ice storm overclock is awesome for dreadnaught fighting

[hazy comet]

ifgs also work very nicely

[wraith shard]

I see

Oh really? Never tried IFG on a dread. So they slow down just like other grunts?

[hazy comet]

yes less so than normal bugs

but the best part is the damage multiplier

iirc its +20% damage taken

[wraith shard]

thanks for the tip. will try that.

[hazy comet]

also its turning speed is slowed. so you can just kite around it, shooting its ass the entire time

[brisk pagoda]

ifg is 30

[hazy comet]

thanks

[wraith shard]

And what about stun? Can you stun a dread?

[hazy comet]

uhh i dont think so

at least not the same as normal bugs

[brisk pagoda]

dread immune to stun

[fierce raptor]

what's mod for PGL RJ250?

[burnt sandal]

no

[spark summit]

can anyone take a pic of their driller set up

[brisk pagoda]

depends what role you want it to fill

[brisk pagoda]

i posted a general purpose one in the gallery channel

[versed tiger]

id reccomend sticky flames with slow and duration, or freeze ray with max freeze power u can get for driller h5+

[rustic fjord]

How do you check the pinned message on this channel?

[weak chasm]

If you're on your phone swipe to the right and look for the thumbtack icon

[rustic fjord]

Ok thank yoy

You*

[ancient arrow]

Oh so is turning speed lessoned for bigger monsters because it doesn't seem to help vs praetorians or the like

[fading fjord]

Stage 2 elite deep dive today had a betC and when you looked in its direction your frame rate would tank an insane amount. Did anyone experience something similar before?

[tidal salmon]

i saw it but didnt experience the lag

you tried looking at it multiple times?

it could be coincidence

[obtuse ingot]

Didn't happen to me either

The stage 2 map looked very very different when I did it with a friend as opposed to solo. Was that true for anyone else?

[tidal salmon]

ive only solod edd so idk

it should be always the same

could be that you took a different starting path

[obtuse ingot]

Cave had some similarities, but a lot seemed different, plus there weren't any of the same creatures. Solo I had 3 spitball infectors and 2 cage leeches, but duo didn't have any of either, just a betc.

I know they're supposed to be the same, but it seemed off. Definitely with the creatures

Probably just not remembering the layout correctly

[tidal salmon]

hm

[copper summit]

this edd was quite easy

[brisk pagoda]

map loaded enemy spawns are influenced by player count. so the stuff that spawns at the start of each stage (like leeches, breeders, bet c, spitballers) will always be the same for anyone with the same player count.

[quiet wyvern]

My squad failed the EDD, after we got all the morkite, we practically got all the eggs out and got overwhelmed by the 3 spawns and the swarm :(

[obtuse gazelle]

for the elite deep dive how geared should I be? I don't have many overclocks at all yet, should I wait a few weeks before trying it until I have a finished build?

[leaden cypress]

you can make it work even without any OC depending on the weapon

It's all about getting used to haz 5

[ancient arrow]

What's haz for deep dive?

4?

[uncut raptor]

DD hazard level is 3 / 3.5 / 3.5

EDD hazard level is 4.5 / 5 / 5.5

[ancient arrow]

Thanks

Still working towards first promotion

4 levels to go

[lethal yacht]

i just learned from the other day that player count merely influences the RNG of spawns. for example a run with 4 players may or may not spawn a betc, bulk, more spitballers or other mobs but it is far more likely to than a run with 1 or 2 players. even then each run distinctly calls the rng for mob spawns so the enemies that are on those level could be different between runs with the same squad

[jade valve]

I believe that it will take a shot out of reserve ammo

[obtuse ingot]

Seems strange that it would be so much easier with two people ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obtuse ingot]

I'm not the greatest players, but I don't really pay much attention to my perks and gear for the DD/EDD and still make it through now that I'm used to playing haz 5

IMO it's just all about being smarter with using your ammo efficiently so you don't squander nitra, then just making sure you're not panicking when a swarm comes. Try not to stand too still and learn where each weak point is and what the different sounds mean in the game 🙂

[uncut raptor]

yeah this EDD was easy

[final forge]

gotta love trolls guy named degenerate came popepd the egg then did nothing and was trying to shoot us and blow up the exploding plants near us

[uncut raptor]

if you were host you can always kick players who do not cooperate or do stupid stuff like that

[brisk pagoda]

what i mean by it is if you do a deep dive and bet c only spawns for 4 players that week, then every 4 player group that week will always get bet c. any spitballers and cave leeches will also be in the same exact spots. the spawn waves will differ, and so will the swarms, but anything alive at the start of the map will be the same.

[lethal yacht]

that was my impression for a while too! last week I had a betc spawn with a squad of 4 on the 1st stage of the EDD near the second egg, but some others did not get one at all. Perhaps it was a fluke, but someone said the generation is still random every time but influenced by player count

[brisk pagoda]

strange

[fringe kettle]

pinned messages

[lethal yacht]

very strange indeed

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[wraith shard]

Wtf is a pod

[next pebble]

It's what we call the voice channels on the server

It's a shortening of drop pod, from the game

[lavish zodiac]

In my one deep dive the drop pod was not launched to get me

[abstract widget]

at what point should i start trying to do the elite deep dives

[burnt sandal]

whenever you feel ready for it

If you're used to playing in haz 4, I think it's safe to assume you can do it

[abstract widget]

aight thanks

[grim garden]

Can you do a deep dive with party members who haven’t unlocked it yet? And if so do they also get the same rewards you do

[burnt sandal]

you can't do deep dives with non-promoted dwarves

[grim garden]

Sounds good 🙂

[obtuse ingot]

Good luck! If you're not aware, the stages are 4.5/5/5.5. The first two will have a mutator to make it a little more challenging than the level suggests

[abstract widget]

thanks, made it through first try

didnt get stuff i wanted but still pretty fun

[obtuse ingot]

Nice work! Solo?

[abstract widget]

nah, group i randomly joined

[autumn peak]

finally did my first deep div

[chrome quiver]

How was it

[autumn peak]

solo engineer with no overclocks

not too baed

bad*

[chrome quiver]

Nice

[ancient arrow]

Almost to deep dive :(

At level 22 with scout

close

[severe tusk]

Exploit 2x XP missions 😄

[ancient arrow]

Have been lol

Got lucky with 9ne and got to kill a titan

xp for days

[old widget]

PSA: this week's DD is great for the sub-45 minute "Deep for speed" achievement if anyone's chasing it. We cut a few corners because one of our team had to go soon, and ended up at 30 min with a 4-man run

[upbeat obsidian]

This week's DD's are both on the easy side, relatively speaking. Regular DD is a fantastic candidate for the 45-minute time. Don't let the first stage discourage you, if it takes 20 minutes because of the timers, the other two can be run through very, very quickly.

[wintry breach]

can anyone tell me what this weeks deep dive is elite and normal

[raven grove]

Check the pins

[wintry breach]

ty

[charred tartan]

So I've never done a Deep Dive before (friends haven't grinded that far yet), and haven't thought much about it, but now I just wanna do it.
Should I wait for my friend(s) to get promoted so we can do it together, or can one dwarf do it alone?

[obtuse ingot]

People do them solo all the time 🙂 If you're comfortable with hazard 5, the regular deep dive will be pretty straightforward. If you're solid on hazard 4, it still won't be that bad, but mind the mutators. The hazards are 3.5/4/4.5 and 4.5/5/5.5 for deep dive and EDD, respectively, if you didn't know

[old widget]

DD difficulty scaling is 3/3.5/3.5

If you can do Haz 3 with minimal downs you can handle a DD

Haz 5 comfort is more for EDD

Average Haz level across all three stages is 3.33 for DD and 5.00 for EDD

[severe tusk]

I would just play with random people if your friends aren't promoted yet, unless you really prefer solo.

[charred tartan]

well I ussually run Haz 3, (4 if were 3+ people), so I might try it later tonight :D

[obtuse ingot]

My mistake! Thanks for the correction

[obtuse ingot]

Best of luck! Let us know how it goes

[charred tartan]

went fucking great at the start, found all 3 lost mules, and killed a dreadnought no issue, but setting up the comms link -_-

the wave doesn't end until the link is at 100% and they kept coming so I had to leave the area multiple times, so it just never ended, and finally I died....

it was fun tho, got 230 -ish kills (new personal record), and 1700xp :D

[severe tusk]

Time to try again 😉

[charred tartan]

Fax!!

[hazy comet]

dont click that link. it is a scam

its not the right steam community domain

<@&296918282403840000>

[upbeat obsidian]

FYI, if it helps you beat a DD in future, Black Box objectives don't follow the same rules as the uplink for Salvage. If you get pushed out of the black box area, you don't automatically fail, and you can try again.

[potent seal]

kill him

[severe tusk]

<@&296918282403840000> ^

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[floral meteor]

Anyone else looking for a deep dive group?

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[uncut raptor]

will we see the fabled triple escort in magma core for the EDD?

[severe tusk]

Did that actually happen before?

[burnt sandal]

no

I'm not even sure it's possible

but people like to joke about it

[uncut raptor]

imagine if it was possible... the chaos it would cause

[hazy comet]

double escort was a thing before dont think we ever had a triple

because of double escort GSG changed the dives so you couldnt get duplicate missions in the same dive

[burnt sandal]

I'm pretty sure you can't have the same mission twice in a row

[hazy comet]

it used to be this way until shortly after escorts and refinery was released

[soft zephyr]

Aren't deep dives supposed to be reset?

It's thursday already, or are they being reset during NA times specifically?

[next pebble]

later today

[shrewd bane]

Sucks to lose at the last stage, extra lame when you carry the team over :/

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[shrewd bane]

But when the carry goes through, it gives the warm and fuzzies

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[uncut raptor]

surprised nobody has said what the stages are yet

EDD is in magma core 👀

[flat terrace]

great.. magma core, i love it already

can't wait to have escort mission in magma core too

[signal pawn]

1     225 Morkite     2 Mini-Mules     Elite Threat
2     10 Aquarqs     Dreadnought     Swarmageddon
3     200 Morkite     2 Mini-Mules     Shield Disruption```

[covert plaza]

aquarqs+dreadnaught+swarmageddon

oh god

[mellow cove]

Outside of second stage sounds easy

[uncut raptor]

honestly doesn't look too bad

doing the DD now so i'll post the stages when i'm done

[finite nova]

Is deep dive 9n the assignment computer

[zenith wind]

Depends whether you have any nitra left over from stage 1. How abundant is it today?

[mellow cove]

Don't know yet, will find out once I'm home

That if I find a good random lobby

[static timber]

So elite is a morkite type this time

[signal pawn]

1     4 Eggs      2 Mini-Mules     
2     Doretta     2 Mini-Mules     Mactera Plague
3     Refinery    2 Eggs           Regenerative Bugs```

[uncut raptor]

dang just as i got to the 3rd stage ready to say what they all were

[native pulsar]

man past few weeks there are no escort missions surprisingly

[keen vine]

escort
mactera plague

a lot of death and lost segments incoming

[wraith shard]

DD tho. It won't matter

H3.5

EDD looks easy too

[uncut raptor]

yeah the DD was pretty easy

as they usually are

plenty of nitra

[pale sigil]

EDD's pretty straightforward. Double mining + PE makes it a speedy one too.

[old widget]

No, it has its own terminal over by the window past the bar in the space rig

[high garden]

10 Aquarks+dreadnaught+swarmegaddeon+magma core
A c t u a l n i g h t m a r e

[old widget]

Anyone know which dread is the secondary on EDD stage 2? Is it classic?

[vapid river]

It is the classic

[rough kite]

Yep. Classic dread.

In a fairly tight extraction map too. Not super ideal.

[warm light]

Classic dread, tight map, swarmaggeon, extraction mission.

GSG are assholes. What else is new?

Through a hope and a prayer we'll still do it

At least it's stage 2 this time. Faster restart point.

[floral meteor]

I had this deep dive

Maybe you were one of the guys who joined 🤔

[fringe kettle]

Say it with me now; R. N. G.

[fringe tulip]

What are the deep dive elite missions for this week?

[fringe kettle]

pinned messages

[fringe tulip]

Thx\

[worldly jungle]

guys i dont like it when when the deep dive decides to give point extraction and and a funny swarmageddon modifier and it does the comedically perfect unending swarms and we all die

[lethal yacht]

PE should be done as fast as possible. a point will come when swarms are virtually endless

just the nature of the mode. i feel you g

[lavish vapor]

EDD | Pod 22

[chrome quiver]

Lies, gsg designs each and every mission for that one guy to make his games hell

[raven grove]

We need a FYDD, curated to have as much unfairness as possible.

[chrome quiver]

FY?

Fuck you?

[raven grove]

Foxtrot-Yankee /s

[chrome quiver]

Yes

[raven grove]

Alternately, Big Falcon Deep Dive

[chrome quiver]

Alternatively, deep dive where stage 1 is haz 6, stage 2 is elite starship troopers, stage 3 is haz 7, all missions have double threats

[raven grove]

I’m thinking deliberately spawning two bulks in a pincer maneuver, simultaneously with a couple groups of shellbacks to screw up your coordination.

Throw in a webspitter wave for icing.

[chrome quiver]

Diabolical

[warm light]

Just beat the EDD on my fifth try

[old widget]

Where were your wipe points?

[warm light]

First three tries ended because the people I was with basically closed their eyes during stage 2, and my third try we had a new driller that begged for ziplines instead of using his drills.
Fourth try, entirely new team, all three of them wiped within a minute of landing, I followed shortly after.
Fifth try, I found three people who had their shit together, an absolute pleasure to play with them.

[chrome quiver]

Sounds like you’re just blaming others

[warm light]

Posted picture of the fifth try victory in gallery.

[warm light]

Really don't want to start an argument, but this is a team game. I am in control of myself and I do my best to support my team.
When I point out something someone has done wrong, it is not because I am doing something wrong, it is because they are making a mistake and I want to see them improve. It doesn't matter if I die 20 times or 0, I'm just stating the facts of what I experienced.

My first three attempts where with teams that did not function well together, perhaps they'll find a team that works for them just as I did, or they may change and that will work in their favor, I am not the judge of how people should or should not play DRG.
All I'm saying is that when I played with those people during the first three attempts, they kept splitting up and not paying attention to anything other than themselves.

Fourth attempt isn't anything to really critique, we had a level 14 on our team so I knew it wasn't going to work from the beginning, but I wanted to give them their fair chance and so I did my all.
We wiped and they decided to try again later.

I rarely ever question my teammates about how they play unless I think it's funny.

[wraith shard]

what kind of dread is the second stage

[hazy comet]

classic

[wraith shard]

hmmm.

could solo it

[cobalt fiber]

This week's EDD is rad. Finally some challenge!

[chrome quiver]

Downvote cause a wall of text is cringe

Upvote cause upvote was there already and I add every reaction I see

Where’s the tldr so I can agree or disagree though

[analog crow]

Hot takes + inability to read combo is cringe

[chrome quiver]

Where’s the hot take

[lament lance]

Hot takes, hot floor

[chrome quiver]

I was blocked :0

I can’t add reaction :((

I wasn’t joking though, what’s the hot take?

[obtuse berry]

hooo 2nd stage edd was spicy

1st try tho 😎

[quiet wyvern]

any advice for a Solo gunner loadout for the EDD? looking for ideas or anything recommended

[raven grove]

Neurotoxin/lead spray, perhaps?

[quiet wyvern]

hmm, interesting

i could solo the regular as well, but i will use my driller, and my Soldier Bosco loadout as there is an Escort on stage 2

[uncut raptor]

with the abundance of nitra and the easy access to the oil shale for the 2nd stage, you can solo it as scout

[ancient arrow]

Hey do you get infused cores from deep dives?

[radiant granite]

better to take splintering or carpet bomber than for the swarmageddon IMO

kill the swarmers fast more consistently

[old widget]

yes, first stage gives blank core, second stage gives random infused weapon core, third stage gives random infused cosmetic core

then you gotta actually forge 'em with materials

[unreal remnant]

Am I the only one who is having a lot of trouble with EDD groups over DD groups? All my DD groups are well communicated in chat and voice, take things slow, and are careful. EDD groups have been a lot of AFK players and people who just run off and get killed on the other side of the map as quickly as they can get out of the drop pod. Really quite frustrating.

Last night the EDD I attempted, one person dropped as soon as we landed and the other two shot off in different directions on the map. Not sure what to do myself since, I just dropped since I didnt want to waist 30 mins chasing res around.

[radiant obsidian]

every time i come in here i see that guy and his hot takes, I leave again. Thanks for calling him out :) Actually, I Was thinking of another guy, but yea that was a spicy take for sure :)

[raven grove]

Wednesday nights typically have the worst crews. They’re the guys who haven’t successfully finished the dives for a week. Think about what that means for your potential players.

[unreal remnant]

This isn't just Wednesday's, and I will continently run DD's over EDD's if there are no groups running just so I can get seasoned players over green beards. Which the steam sale has brought no lack of.

Every DD people are well prepared. Second time in a row someone went AFK on stage two of an EDD which wiped the group as we spent too much time in the main room waiting on them.

Just bonkers since I dont see a lot of it in gameplay even.

[chrome quiver]

Please explain the hot take :((

[sharp igloo]

These deep dives felt pretty easy

imo ]

we got them done in 36 and 39 mins respectively on first try

Just need a carpet bomber gunner

[analog crow]

Yeah, this community is too good to be tainted by a few abrasive peeps.

[chrome quiver]

Holy crap that’s fast

[unreal remnant]

Totally. DD's feel like a cake walk.

[chrome quiver]

Nice, maybe I’ll try the EDD this week then

Though the main reason I haven’t been doing edds is lag

[severe tusk]

Or they are just the procrastinators. I have waited to do EDDs until the last day and have found good groups. Even if they are people who have failed the EDD a few times, they have probably learned something from their failures and will be better for it.

[mortal oasis]

i just finish my first deep dive and there is a timer under

what is it for?

[burnt sandal]

probably time left before next reset

[raven grove]

It's not so much that you can't have a good team, it's that the pool of players is disproportionately people who have failed multiple times.

[vale lintel]

sometimes it just takes that long to get a good group

a 'good group' being the sort who can't complete a hazard 5 mission much less the EDD because they refuse to try to coordinate and/or can't hear you

[radiant granite]

if players are good enough they don't really need to coordinate, or at least not much

standout exception this edd being if people pop coccoon at a bad time it's very bad

[severe tusk]

Again, I think you are assuming that people who have failed previously are not good players. That is true for some of them but not all. I am also sure some lesser skilled players get into a group with really good players and succeed on their first try, while some pretty good ones fail multiple times. Some of that can be due to getting grouped with greenbeards or teams who won't coordinate, but some of it is just the randomness of spawns too. Some weeks I do the EDD early, some weeks I wait until the last day or two. Sometimes I fail a run early then wait until the end of the week to try again. This is my experience in my 3 months of playing.

[radiant granite]

Ok, but the point is that you are more likely to win early if you're good and more likely to fail early if you're bad, which is why most good players do the deep dive either as soon as it comes out or on the weekend if they don't have time thur/fri, and then by next wednesday the remaining population is worse on average

there being exceptions doesn't make this not true

[worn bramble]

man that 2nd stage is hella tough

[woven kayak]

Stage 3 was really EZ for no reason

Quite refreshing

[worn bramble]

my second run had 4 dets total, 2 of which spawned at the same time

[woven kayak]

Detonators were really common

[chrome quiver]

Regular dd was nice and easy

As gunner I mined over 1000 minerals

I think I’m doing this wrong

[kind idol]

Regular DD was a breeze
EDD was a nightmare

[rancid ocean]

anyway to start DD at the last mission? dced and team finished mission before i could rejoin and i didnt get credit

[zinc coral]

unfortunately not

[copper summit]

how difficult is this edd?

[wicked storm]

Just finish killing the first wave on the second part of EDD than kill the Dreadnought after it's very smouth

[buoyant hatch]

We used a bulk to kill the dreadnaught in EDD lol

[wraith shard]

oh hey it’s you the heavy on my game! That was fun!

[buoyant hatch]

lol hey, that was fun. Sucks about the last round though lol

[wraith shard]

Hey we did what we could :D Beside that was one of the most fun game. Being driller and sacrificing myself to bait detonator :D

[buoyant hatch]

lol that was epic. Are you going to try again?

[wraith shard]

Not right now probably. Too burned out on that EDD D:

[abstract gulch]

need one more for DD already publish pt

full ty ;3

[wraith shard]

that's working as intended. Dread is the second objective. The swarms only don't spawn if the dread is primary.

Nothing to fix

[carmine urchin]

stage 2 of edd is hell on earth

tried it 3 times and we always get overrun

[rotund yoke]

no argument here

[cinder patio]

run it multiple times with good people, this time with coordination
we got the furthest this time, but the dread fight is far too difficult with the swarm that inevitably comes with it

[carmine urchin]

it's not just a swarm

it's never ending, feels like

[rotund yoke]

I've mostly resigned myself to only getting the first floor of it done this week

[carmine urchin]

it's not endless but by the time the wave pauses you're dealing with the aftermath of the swarm + swarmaggedon + dread

and when you mop that up another wave pops

[cinder patio]

i think to beat it, you genuinely need to be 4x people in vc with good coordination, which while befitting of elite... is not how most teams will be when you play online

bah

this week's EDD is going to be a pass for me anyway

that stage 2 is not worth the frustration

[rotund yoke]

first board is a free core. that's not bad

yeah, stage 3 with shield disruption I wrote off without ever even seeing it

[cinder patio]

i mean what i hear is that stage 3 isn't that bad

[carmine urchin]

id pick shield dis over swarmaggedon

[cinder patio]

but stage 2 is barely passable

[rotund yoke]

really, shield dis over swarms?

[carmine urchin]

at least then i can actually breathe

[dreamy dragon]

Shield disruption is vastly overrated imo. People forget or don't realize that while you don't have any shields, the enemies deal a lot less dmg to you

[rotund yoke]

didn't realize that was a thing

[obtuse ingot]

Woah, really? Is that in the wiki? Checking now...

Yup! 30% less damage. Cool! Thanks @dreamy dragon

[tidal salmon]

woooh

damn stage 2 was a nightmare

playing scout made life a living hell

[short charm]

Cryo Scout actually made that a fun challenge. GK2 with Bullets of Mercy, Zhukovs with Cryo Minelets (Blowthrough, extra ammo and reduced recoil is a must here), Cryo grenades. Swarmers basically don't stand a chance. However, this setup is not great for Dreadnoughts.

[old widget]

Shield disruption modifier also makes the cave RNG produce much more red sugar, IIRC

[pale dust]

Scout: ''But I need my Blue Bouncing Bar!''

[night dune]

just do it in the server list. I've literally never failed an EDD from the server list. All of my failures occur on this discord. I tried 3 times yesterday until I just joined a silent game. Was cake compared to the other 3 attempts

[rotund yoke]

exact opposite of my experience. server list you often find greenbeards who have no idea what to expect in an EDD and are punching way out of their weight class

[night dune]

That's what it's like on the Discord for me, but also I play with sub50 dwarves on the server list sometimes and they do better than some 300+ greybeards

[rotund yoke]

yeah, I've run into a few chuckleheads on the discord, but it's still heavily skewed toward rando server idiots

[night dune]

Biggest difference of my 4 attempts is the scout had embedded dets on the success. He just basically solo'd the dread while I was on swarmer control with crspr.

[zinc wave]

How are folks who completed EDD approaching the 2nd stage? Rushing the PE first, or Dread then PE?

At my wit's end

[old widget]

The usual strat for PE + dread is to rush nitra/aquarq until you hear first swarm announcement from MC, then pop the dread as the first swarm winds down

[zinc wave]

Gotcha, thanks for the advice!

Will change up the game plan next run

[old widget]

Gives you max unswarmed time

[chrome quiver]

That’s pretty smart

[zinc wave]

What we did was rush aquarq until completed, then pop Dread. That just came with an endless onslaught of swarm and near impossible to handle.

[old widget]

Yeah. PE swarm frequency increases steadily.

Gotta take the dread as early as possible without overlapping with swarm

For max ease

[warm light]

@zinc wave On my first time completing it we did the dreadnought first.

Then I played it with me friends and we just casually strolled through it, we had two thunderhead gunners and one of them had damage everything elephant rounds, so bugs were a non-issue and the bulldog chunked the fuck out of the dread.

[zinc wave]

Noted, thank you!

As difficult as this week's EDD is, I do appreciate how much more planning has to go into the 2nd phase at least.

[tidal salmon]

went boomstick fear the bang and m1k hipster AP blowthrough

was p fun

all swarms were p much a joke

but swarmers

at least fear the bang gives me some breathing room

did you go solo on cryo scout?

sounds like fun

[chrome quiver]

Hmm I’ll give the EDD a try tonight and hope my computer doesn’t blow up

I’ve done haz 4 and it was definitely playable, so I guess edd shouldn’t be too laggy, but it depends on the individual circumstances of the mission and how it’s going

[short charm]

I didnt go solo, went with a group of 3. Engi, Scout and gunner. Me and the engi were 400-650 level players, gunner was a single bronze star gunner. We got through it all just fine.

Boomstick with tons of ammo is also pretty decent for swarmers. Zhukovs with Gas Recycling + Blowthrough is also very good since each bullet can kill two swarmers.

[tidal salmon]

had to utilise fear based upgrade cause of solo. need that balance for good mob control and bossing

but there are definitely other viable builds

prob wont go gas recycling just for stage 2 tho

maybe ill try another solo with cryo build

ez shatters

[tidal salmon]

actl i take that back. it could be fun

idk about that 50% slowdown tho could be nasty for swarmer waves

[balmy beacon]

Holy Moly now that is finally a real deep dive elite!!! The gates of hell are open Miners!
Love it!

[forest temple]

I'm assuming the Steam summer sale is why there are so many greeenbeards over their heads in DD and EDD. It has been rough

[chrome quiver]

Or just some people are bad at the game

Like me

[wraith shard]

well you can see levels before the dive starts, because they cant late join

so it's easy to see if they're new

[forest temple]

Yeah, lots of just-promoted "can-I-play-this-class-please" players. Normally not an issue but this week's EDD is pushing my own limits---stage 2 in particular---and trying to revive a couple of dead greenies every 30 seconds is too much for me.

[wraith shard]

taking 2 is a noble move though, I would only take 1. Having to explain basics to two people is just a lot.

[chrome quiver]

I did the dd with a player level 9 scout

Bronze 1 level 1

[wraith shard]

The DD or EDD

[chrome quiver]

Just dd thankfully

So it wasn’t bad at all

[wraith shard]

right

[chrome quiver]

I would’ve left the match if it was EDD

[forest temple]

I like doing the EDD first every week. The DD feels like a really casual stroll after that.

[wraith shard]

feel like a casual stroll every week.

[forest temple]

I really try not to just pull the plug...we were all new at some point and I'm in a public server. But it isn't without frustrations

I wish the EDD required you to promote all 4 to bronze or something...just a little more experience

[chrome quiver]

Hmm

[wraith shard]

promoting all 4 to bronze wouldnt make someone better at one class though.

[chrome quiver]

But it’d get them more game experience

[wraith shard]

technically yes. But what Haz?

Haz 3? basically won't matter in an EDD

[chrome quiver]

I mean you can get yourself to promo doing only haz 2

I have a friend with bronze 3 engi from only playing haz 2

[wraith shard]

I rest my case

[chrome quiver]

You gotta be gold 3 in every class to do EDD

[wraith shard]

that would be silly

[chrome quiver]

I wouldn’t be able to do EDD if that was the case lol

[wraith shard]

each promo is like 8-10 hours. that's like 280 hours and suffering through unfun grind just for EDD that you can beat after a few weeks of learning DRG

[chrome quiver]

Or a week

[wraith shard]

eh, a week is quick to be able to actually be good in an EDD for the average person imo

some people, sure, but most? that's fast.

[chrome quiver]

True, my first EDD I wasn’t too great

[wraith shard]

the system they have is good, the issue is people go into missions expecting that they were half carried before so it can happen again, but a few people have this same thought so it stacks up on one dive.

[stray atlas]

GreenBeard here, in DD al least people do bunkers or use voip? There is so much I can hold shooting to my own turrets and using prox.mines. A lot of situations were i had struggled, a bunker would do wonders instead of zip-lining back and forth.

Having people to coordinate with is a game changer

[wraith shard]

you can use voice, but you should be able to be on the ground and fighting, not on zips or in a bunker to survive.

[chrome quiver]

Bunker bad and unfun

[wraith shard]

don't stand still, you are much faster than the bugs on DD

use your platforms to direct bugs using repellent

one of the platform mods

[stray atlas]

I guess i lack practise, when the swarm never ends i just end running out of ammo and falling through a cliff.
If the terrain is not that hard I can handle it

[chrome quiver]

I use zips sometimes, cause it’s an easy way to counter no movement with lead storm

[wraith shard]

well this DD has no PE so you will have breaks.

[chrome quiver]

Cause sometimes the jumping requires too much brainpower

[stray atlas]

Definitely will try more hazard 4-5 before DD, under 4 if it isn't escort, ends feeling like a breeze

[wraith shard]

DD is only Hazard 3.5

EDD is more like H5

[chrome quiver]

DD is 3, 3.5, 3.5 and EDD is 4.5, 5, 5.5

I think

[stray atlas]

Oh well, not that bad. Ill give it a go as soon as I promote

[chrome quiver]

If you can do haz 4, you can definitely do DD

[radiant granite]

I did it second try with randoms and no voice

first try lost because there were people on my team who went down like 14 times

[chrome quiver]

But if you mostly play haz 3, you’ll probably still be good

[radiant granite]

if the players are good enough, you really need barely any communication in this game

[wraith shard]

that first caveat is a big if.

[chrome quiver]

Just spam ping to communicate

[wraith shard]

it's hard to explain some more complex ideas through ping. So it's a context thing of if that person has the experience to have seen this scenario before, and the foresight to see what we should be doing.

[chrome quiver]

Also if you’re on steam, it’s super easy to send a quick text chat

[wraith shard]

sometimes

[chrome quiver]

If there’s not a large amount of bugs yeah

[upbeat obsidian]

Voice chat may not itself guarantee success, but it helps a lot. Hard to say things like "The spitballer is dead" through pings while bugs are chasing you so you can't type.

[leaden cypress]

You can also use the universal language

V

[random oyster]

EDD Stage 2 is possibly the worst thing I have seen so far in this game

[old widget]

our seasoned crew wiped twice so far, it's pretty rough

we're gonna try again tomorrow

[native grail]

yea first attempt on stage 2 we had 2 bulks. 2nd sttempt, 1 bulk, 3rd attempt, 1 bulk.

feels like they have seeded bulks now 😐

[old widget]

we were able to use a bulk to kill the dread on second attempt of stage 2, and thought that would be the easy part, but the vertical cavegen ended up doing us in

[random oyster]

we were lucky that the drop pod appeared right in front of us

[mellow cove]

I was unlucky that it appeared god knows where and I just died on the way to it

[unique river]

has anyone had this happen? end of the deep dive and I can't advance.

[west merlin]

There's no BET-C on the 2nd stage normal DD this week is there? If there were that'd be the perfect time to go solo as an Engineer with Gemini + Beast Master for I think 9 buddies in total

(Counting mini mules which aren't actually useful)

[unique river]

no BET-C

[ashen patrol]

the farthest ive gotten on edd so far is duo scout engi

but yeah this is hell

the 10 aquarqs on a 3 hit map just eat too much time without a competent driller

[atomic anchor]

Dd this week doesn't seem too bad but that mactera plague on escort seems a bit

[west merlin]

What do you mean by can't advance? Is the button to refine liquid morkite not working? Can't find a certain objective?

[potent ermine]

Finished the EDD with a lvl 20 and 30 on second try. Dont be afraid to suggest certain loadouts. Also consider swapping scout for another gun/drill (maybe?). It was still very rough. We got lucky i think

[fringe tulip]

I had to do the secondary mission to complete the 2nd stage in EDD

Maybe you have the same problem, before completing secondary mission, I couldn't call the pod.

[old widget]

Heh, just watched the dev stream, the devs wiped twice on EDD stage 2 then moved on.

[fringe tulip]

I played with some extra enemies mods in the EDD, and we had around 15k kills total.

didn't manage to finish the 3rd stage :(

[old widget]

Congrats, this was a tough one. What was your approach for stage 2?

[potent ermine]

There's a decent sized room thats good for the dread so we set up a zip line first. I drilled for aquarq and scout got nitra for the first 5 min. Dread after first wave. We took a long time to kill it so we were drowning in waves as we scrambled for aquarq lol. Absolutely no time to breathe

Neurotoxin AOE autocannon is what whittled the swarms down since most of the time we were just trying to escape being swarmed instead of shooting stuff.

Thorns ate a lot of swarmers

[chrome quiver]

Atom Eve

[old widget]

Thanks, I was thinking NTP AC would be good.

[hard tide]

Finished edd with a couple of 30-60s in tow

As a scout. Scout is actually not useless since the 2nd level is hellish

Gunners on zipline managing swarms is key, just gotta keep an eye on grabbers

And acid spitters

We pulled the dread before the first swarm and i just went around digging aquarqs while they fought

I fkin hate swarmers btw, worst enemy in the game

[upbeat obsidian]

I just had a run where we attempted to do similar. I was the NTP gunner trying to be on the line, but we couldn't get the spitballers down quickly enough to make the zips safe, and we got two bulks.
I tried it twice with a different team earlier and we had zero bulks. I felt bad for the low level guys in the run we just tried.

[hard tide]

Scout has to manage the spitballers with cryo

There are really only 2 very problematic ones

[upbeat obsidian]

Bulks in the spawn pool in Swarmageddon PE with a Dread is a really nasty combination

[hard tide]

Yeah i failed twice before d/t bulk spawns

[upbeat obsidian]

Yeah, in my runs earlier today I was the scout in our last attempt, and my #1 priority was freeze and kill those spitballers. It helped, but we didn't have enough firepower overall for the swarmers. I think Gunner had LS

[potent ermine]

Yeah I'm trying to imagine stage 2 w/o light also - probably not fun. We had a lot of tri-jaws for some reason. Most of my downs were from them.

[upbeat obsidian]

We beat the Dread once, I think, but there just wasn't even room to stand up. I was reviving the guys over and over, but no one could even get onto a zipline before getting downed. I was basically playing "The ground is lava" with Special Powder

Scout is useful for stage 2, but relies a lot on having someone who can watch to keep the swarmers off him so he can do anything

[hard tide]

Point extraction with 2ndary dread is just a tough mission type overall, it's really easy to fall behind the ramp

And swarms spawning during dread is just awful

[upbeat obsidian]

Absolutely. My first EDD was PE with Dread(s) and it was a rough time until the teams I was on learned to rush the dread.
If you get a wave during the Dread, it's not a horrible idea to kite the dread, clear the wave, and then finish the dread. NTP works a treat for this task, as long as you don't get fireballed off of a zip trying to keep the team clear

[short charm]

Om Stage 2 you should be able to collect 7-8 aquarqs before you have to pop the dread. As Scout you can just zip from aquarq to aquarq and toss them into the pit where the minehead is. When we did stage 2 the other players completely failed to notice they could push the button to get the heck out. I had to kite everything away from the button while the other two were down, then just grapple around until the pod came to pick us up.

[zinc coral]

https://imgur.com/a/SlLa8eP Well that ended up taking six attempts to do lol was fun though

[native grail]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1696151833167117249/82AAA25FE33E36F78074E54FDF1C6C5EA7E60780/

We had 400 nitra at the start of stage 2 so ammo wasnt a problem. Our strat that worked (after failing 4 times) was to wait with the dread fight for after the first swarm ends, and in the meantime we mined more nitra and aq's, and created lots of ziplines to stay relatively safe on top of the mine head.

We decided to go 2 gunners for this 5th try, one with ac that deals wiht swarmers, and one with minigun for direct dps. Was a good choice imo.

[hard tide]

Yeah tbh engy is not really needed this deep dive

Fat boy makes too much lava floor

[obtuse ingot]

We also got two bulks and our scout went down right away up high and it was hell trying to get the spitball and one bulk during a swarm. Managed to get like 4 quarks but couldn't take the dreadnought down

[unique river]

Sorry was trying to upload a screen shot. This happened to 2/4 in the party. After completing the third mission, I went down and the drop pod left. We got to the continue screen. I briefly saw the 4 characters at the end screen, but then my screen went black. After that I got the end screen with nothing on it and no way to continue. We had to Alt-F4. Luckily we still got our credits and matrix cores. Here’s a link. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aLhbj3DyIOvVhTpu4KvSC03a3QD2yyZG/view?usp=drivesdk

[knotty scroll]

i am in a desperate need of a scout that knows what he is doing to finish this cursed elite deep dive PLEASE if you are a scout with more than 1 silver star dm me immediately

[west merlin]

That's bizarre and worrying! Glad you still got the credits and cores.
Also glad that even if you do have a failure inducing bug at the very end you get to keep the first two cores

[unique river]

The other weird thing is that the other person in the party that this happened to was not down. It was only me. Weird. I just panicked when it happened thinking it wouldn’t count

[hollow pawn]

Eh edd marred by poor teammate performance

[tidal salmon]

just solo edd 4hed

[wraith shard]

Is cryocannon a good weapon to fight the stage 2 dread?

I do really well on haz 5 with it but I don't know if it's a good choice for a dread fight.

[old widget]

Freezing the dread is a great tactic if you have teammates who are on the ball and ready to take advantage. That can be tricky to coordinate with a random team though, especially without voice chat. Dread unfreezes very fast

Driller seems to be less crucial than usual in this EDD though (IMO). I run cryo driller on our seasoned EDD team, but after two failures on stage 2 we are going to try double gunner (me as NTP AC, our usual gunner as LS) in our next attempt later today

If you have the Ice Storm OC you could also try a cryo build based on that, for direct damage instead of freezing. Search for “dread killer driller” on YT (I think that vid is based on U33 but is still relevant)

[wraith shard]

@old widgetThanks for the detailed reply. I do have the Ice Storm OC. Will check the builds.

[hard tide]

If you still need help in about 12 hours I'll be home from work

[wraith shard]

hey. so i do i need 4 player for a deep dive or can i do it with my friend? is there any difference ?

[hard tide]

It scales with player count

You can solo deep dives if you're good enough

Generally i find 2p the easiest

[wraith shard]

nice thx

[hazy comet]

tried the EDD with another pub group again after i failed on thursday. the key is to DPS down the dread on stage 2 after the first swarm asap. make sure to get the out-of-the-way aquarqs first so its easier to finish before the next swarm starts.

managed to win this time which was nice

[regal mango]

idk i’d rather be without engi than driller on this one. swarmageddon + 10 aquarqs on a biome with 3 hit terrain is rough with no driller, that’s his element

[hazy comet]

you can run a flak gunner instead and have the same effectiveness really

[feral atlas]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1684892941682238203/4FC7BC231CA81DF81012D84B6B672DAC032AACC9/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

that was a lot of swarmers

probably one of the harder ones, since stage 2 requires 2 competent players

[old widget]

We brought in a neurotoxin AC gunner for EDD stage 2 and that made all the difference...coasted through it for the most part instead of getting slowly ground into dwarf meat like the previous two times. NTP is just so strong for keeping pressure off the team and clearing swarmers

[feral atlas]

i mean, if you won, you won

[old widget]

yeah, we got somewhat lucky in our third run (double gunner, no driller) and got rocky mountain for that one-hit goodness

[feral atlas]

but it was crap without pre-mades

simply does not kill the dread fast enough

so other people had to pick up the slack; probably was the primary reason why the first pub I joined failed

you would probably have to build around neuro AC; the other players would need to be running dread kill loadouts

[old widget]

we had 2 gunners and left driller at home, other gunner ran LSLS

so it worked out

[feral atlas]

shrug

[vast mirage]

Only done one attempt so far with solo BB gunner, but with that stage 2 seemed a lot easier than stage 3 to me.

[feral atlas]

driller works well for the swarm clear part

don't don't be an idiot and take an appropriate loadout

[old widget]

what was your driller loadout?

[feral atlas]

stick flame unstable and gas grenades

[old widget]

ah

[feral atlas]

told the gunner to go mini, scout to go embedded, and engi took hyper prop

first pub I joined as engi, the driller had cryo and gunner had neuro AC

saw the stage 2 and just sighed

[old widget]

I was the driller that flipped to NTP gunner, I definitely struggled with my usual cryo build on stage 2

thought about going sticky flames but decided to just go gunner for extra zips and shields and sweet sweet NTP

[feral atlas]

cryo was shit at mass swarm clear, and neuro is shit against the dread, and it was an obvious failure in hindsight

[old widget]

heh

I actually really like neuro against dread, again assuming the one carrying neuro isn't the only HVT damage dealer

[feral atlas]

stick flame slows it down anyways

[old widget]

slowing down a H5 OG dread makes a huge difference to the team

oh, that's cool. didn't know that worked on dreads

[feral atlas]

not much though, I think they added resistance to slow effects

point is, more dps

and have 1 guy on swarmer duty

and don't be a tool and trigger spitballers

first team wasted 2 minutes since somebody managed to trigger both and got us trapped trying to get cover

[old widget]

And stick together so the guy on swarmer duty can actually help

[uncut raptor]

jfc that 2nd stage

not fun

i'll give it another try later but i might skip this one

[finite bay]

no

this is not the only way

[hazy comet]

i never said that

[finite bay]

you can also kill the dreadnought with the detonator, what i think is the purpose of detonator

ah, ok

but

killing the dreadnought before the 1st swarm is IMPOSSIBLE

[hazy comet]

but i typed after*

[finite bay]

at least while looking back at my teammates i got xD

aaaah

after

so yes, our tactis is very similar, but mine includes killing it with detonator

otherwise i find it impossible

but of course i had to got very bad players :c

[hazy comet]

my two attempts never had a bulk detonator.

rng spawn

[finite bay]

wut

only my one attempt hadn't detonator

[hazy comet]

i made myself gunner on my winning try because dps on the dread is so important. maybe try that

[finite bay]

hadn't*

i was gunner

[vast mirage]

I did not see a det either, I was there for 18 minutes looking for aquarqs.

[sweet tapir]

I instakilled Dred with Bulk explosion so that was nice

[finite bay]

wut ;o i wonder how the sequence of events influence the game

but i fcking couldn't pass the eedd

i done it around 10 times

and with every attempt my teammates just was doing their things

[hazy comet]

number of players influence spawns and also just normal rng

anytime a special can spawn, a bulk has a chance to spawn

[finite bay]

"a special can"

[hazy comet]

sometimes in deep dives they are seeded on player count

[finite bay]

?

[hazy comet]

specials like oppressors, menaces, etc

[finite bay]

ah, ok

so i guess that

the detonator appears when there are 4 players bcus there are so many monsters that team cannot focus on dreadnought

the fact that lack of communication and solo playing makes it impossible is different thing

[hazy comet]

yes that can happen when the waves keep spawning. more specials > more chance to spawn bulks

[formal prism]

Is there a "best" engi build for this week's edd?

[hazy comet]

probably take a hyper propellant pgl because the swarms arent all that big.

otherwise go nuts

[formal prism]

To me it felt like the swarms on stage 2 were kinda big

unless they can be managed/funneled but didn't get to experiment too much

[keen kelp]

Had the weirdest pathing error for the MULE this DD

[hazy comet]

yep it bugs out after the refuel. you need to dig under it to free the mule

[keen kelp]

Thanks for the heads up, it worked like a charm 😂

[high garden]

Ugh god edd second stage is the ultimate combination of terrible this week

First edd this year I actively disliked doing lol

[clever mason]

pals and i gave up the edd after our fourth failure on the second round lmao.

[hollow pawn]

its doable, you need reliable highly experienced players

so far i am unable to find a full team of high lvls

[clever mason]

i wouldn't say we're all highly experienced, but we're all at least rank 50+

[ashen patrol]

im 150ish and this is by far the hardest edd stage ive done

[night dune]

just finished the EDD solo stage 2 continues to be cruel in both multiplayer and solo. Swarmageddon isn't quite as absurd solo though

[clever mason]

the fact that we would get back-to-back swarms while trying to take on the dread didn't help. nor did the multiple bulks

[ashen patrol]

10 aquarq elim is already a pain but that map is probably the worst layout ive ever seen

[hollow pawn]

you need seasoned vets, people are not bringing swarm control devices

[night dune]

You can get to every aquarq relatively easily. There's 1 way up high on the ceiling, but you don't need that one to get the 10 you need

[hollow pawn]

engies insist on bringing fat boy? kick from lobby

[ashen patrol]

i tried duoing it with a friend from yesterday pgl + clean sweep

1k kills

still lost

gonna try 2 gunners no engi tonight

[night dune]

Take a driller. Driller chews the swarms and can stand his ground against swarmers

[ashen patrol]

yeah ill prob driller

maybe i solo it with ice storm

[hollow pawn]

only with flamethrower, but he will be useless against dreadnought

[clever mason]

we've tried various loadouts and class mixes. the last attempt started smoothly enough but the moment something goes wrong it snowballs quickly

[ashen patrol]

2 gunners helps

[clever mason]

we all decided that it's not worth two OC lmao

[ashen patrol]

shield op

[hollow pawn]

there is a way, you may need 2 gunners and put lot of ziplines all over the place, you have to keep hopping from one to another to dodge the fireball attacks

but if you miss one line youre a gonner

[night dune]

1 driller and 1 gunner can handle a dread fine, but I would recommend either ice storm or a direct damage crspr. Dread's health doesn't increase that much with 2 people

[ashen patrol]

problem is I don't think ive ever had a good gunner pug

maybe like 1 or 2

and im designated engi driller player

[clever mason]

yeah, the last run was 2 gunner engi scout, but a bunch or trijaws showed up and split focus too hard, one of the gunners went down and it all just spiraled

[night dune]

You could do turret arc + spinning death engineer too, or hyperpropellant instead of spinning death

[hollow pawn]

forget engineer, not useful i stage 2

[ashen patrol]

yeah ur building for stage 2 this week

[night dune]

Hyperpropellant sacrifices some of your swarmer clear though

[ashen patrol]

nothing else is difficult enough2 matter

[night dune]

are E/DDs always easier with fewer people?

[ashen patrol]

yes

more ammo so you can play greedy builds

bosco is op

less spawns

so your extra mmo goes even further

[drowsy spruce]

gass canister is a must

[ashen patrol]

also pugs are very unreliable, sometimes theyre more of a burden than a help

[drowsy spruce]

i like plasma trail with incrased plasma uptime on engie

[night dune]

pugs? whatsa pug

[ashen patrol]

pick up group

mmo term

randos is probably a better term

[night dune]

hm, I think I know something similar as 'pubs' for public games, but I can't remember what game I picked that up from

[hazy comet]

2-3 is really easy. 1 depends on your skill and 4 people is just random really

[ashen patrol]

tf2 maybe

[hazy comet]

i like playing with a fully lobby because the challenge is typically a lot higher than normal

[night dune]

haven't played tf2, so I doubt it :P
It was way harder honestly. My first 3 team attempts failed, but got it on the fourth. Solo is kinda leisurely, but stage 2 was still nightmarish

[ashen patrol]

oh yeah 2 gunners helps on stage 3 because you can just turn the pit into a spider web and avoid the swarms

[night dune]

you could do that with engi plats too, just... in a different way

The bowl shape at the bottom where the extraction point is good for it because there's a nice wall

I think scout isn't super necessary in this EDD. The only big cave is stage 2 and all of the aquarqs except for 1 is near the ground floor. Doubling up on gunner or engi prolly helps a lot

[hazy comet]

4 gunners

[feral atlas]

rank 50 is nothing, just saying

[hazy comet]

Ranks don't mean anything. I've had level 20s carry legendary 3s plenty of times. Gatekeeping doesn't do anything

[feral atlas]

Oh, it does do something.

On average, that is.

[hazy comet]

If anything I avoid those lobbies cause they're usually bad

[feral atlas]

Variance occurs.

[ashen patrol]

I mean you at least have more game knowledge the higher your rank is

[hazy comet]

You'd think but this isn't true

[feral atlas]

There are probably specific instances of lvl 20s carrying legendary 3s. I have seen plenty of trash legendary 3s. But on average this is my rarer than trash lvl 20s.

So, play the averages. You're not obligated to give everybody a chance.

This is probably an EDD difficulty enough to merit that.

[hazy comet]

Aight I'll continue to do EDDs with pugs while everyone else struggles to find the 'perfect' team

[feral atlas]

shrug My edd lobbies have a gatekeeping title and I still do just fine. It's only set at bronze 2 though.

In any case, regarding the actual EDD, the mistake I'm seeing is too many players taking swarmer loadouts and getting shit on by the dread because their DPS is too lower and the fight drags so longer that the next swarm happens.

And there are too many single target enemies that swarmer loadouts suck again, like mactera and oppressors. This EDD probably requires some micromanaging from the host just to get the loadouts correct.

It feels like the ramp is higher only because the enemy pool is uniquely bad, and the swarmer modifier is eating up the minehead turret ammo before the 1st wave.

[hazy comet]

Fwiw take elemental insulation. The fire damage adds up when your arena turns into lava

[uncut raptor]

i might actually try and do the EDD solo as scout, see how badly that'll go

[ashen patrol]

gl wiht the swarmers

[tidal salmon]

p much only on PE

but id say with a proper team with decent coordination, its even easier

this EDD's stage 2 only requires one of the 2 aquarqs in the ceiling

the rest can be easily accessed with driller

[ashen patrol]

havent even made it that far 😂

[tidal salmon]

ah

[ashen patrol]

this dread fight is fucking me up

[tidal salmon]

youre doing it solo?

[ashen patrol]

im about to

ive tried like 5 times with pugs

[tidal salmon]

what dwarf?

[ashen patrol]

driller most likely

possibly engi if i can get a rocky mountain at the bar

[tidal salmon]

for this edd id say the difficulty for each dwarf on solo is:
Gunner > Driller > Engineer > Scout

easiest to hardest

[ashen patrol]

im least confident on gunner unfortunately

[tidal salmon]

mhm yesterday i ran solo for all 4 and went NP on gunner with AP on burst

absolutely wrecks stage 2

but driller is a great in between. Went for sticky fuel and p much snored through stage 2

weirdly enough stage 3 was harder for me on driller but its prob just me playing badly

[ashen patrol]

which oc is ap on brt

[tidal salmon]

ah mbad. my OC for brt was Experimental Rounds. I meant that i took armor piercing

[ashen patrol]

ah ok

yeah thats my setup for np too

[tidal salmon]

youll be fine man. p much everyone except dwarf can do the EDD with relative ease

scout is a complete nightmare tho. But i did enjoy it the most

[tidal salmon]

that can change if i had run cryo scout tho

but idk about the full utility of it on swarmaggeddon

[hard tide]

Nice run, the thing that made stage 2 hard was probably the missing star on the last gunner

[tacit jungle]

does repeating a deep dive give you extra stuff?

[hard tide]

No

Just cash and experience

And maybe a few minerals if you find a huuli

[tacit jungle]

regular DD was pretty easy, maybe haz 3ish

oh it says as much on the wiki 😄

[tidal salmon]

Yep 3.5

At max

[tacit jungle]

ah would EDD be kinda rough then? I normally stick to haz 3 and 4

[hard tide]

Starts 4.5, 2nd stage is h5, 3rd stage 5.5

Some people are good enough to carry a low haz player but you will die lots

[tacit jungle]

oh well this random group seems up for it

[hard tide]

Good luck, just remember to be aware of your environment, check the ceiling for leeches, and don't get surrounded

[tacit jungle]

yeah realizing scout has no business standing and fighting hordes

just jump around and snipe stuff

[hard tide]

Most of the time your job isnt shooting at all, only really during swarms