deep-dive-discussion

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the usual overload?

[dreamy dragon]

Yes

[dim silo]

Man this week's EDD is harsh

[chrome quiver]

It’s only my second, but it was easier than last week imo

Just the first round was annoying, with explorers on magma region

[dim silo]

Alright whew, it wasn't that bad

Fighting dreadnoughts and the goddamn earthquakes

That almost decimated us

[chrome quiver]

The fact it was a dreadnaught and hiveguard round 1 and 3 was funny

[old widget]

Yeah I expected more earthquakes in magma

I think we had no more than one per level on this week’s EDD, I’ve had basic Haz 4 magma core missions with like 10+ quakes

[slender river]

This one was definitely the easiest of the month for me, abundance of nitra and easy modifiers, with the dread's being the primary objectives on two of them. Good luck to those still doing it, just need a competent team.

[final plover]

Yes, but it is hiding in the first level.

[severe tusk]

For this week's EDD, I found fighting the dreads in the starting room to be the easiest. Try to kill exploders when they are on the walls and patch the floors with platforms. Not too hard.

[old widget]

Yeah our engi was working overtime with his plat gun. Cryo driller also managed to freeze 80% of exploders which helped keep the floor damage down

[tender geyser]

New record on deaths in the elite:

https://i.imgur.com/WZtwR1T.png

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[chrome quiver]

Cool

I only went down 10 times in this EDD, wow I’m so good at this game

[leaden cypress]

epic

[shadow shoal]

Easily one of the easiest DD/EDD cycles I’ve seen, dreads are a joke if not paired with something like Point Extract

[heavy torrent]

You pansies will never know the pain that is low O2 PE on a map which is literally a straight cylindrical climb upwards when you only get 90 nitra on said stage.

[odd comet]

Oh god

Now I'm having flashbacks

Was that the one in Magma Core?

[finite vigil]

the only thing that was annoying was the slowly disintegrating floor

[next vigil]

HERRO

[half magnet]

hey yall me and some friends need one person for a deep dive

dm open

[cinder hull]

how do ppl do deep dive elite?

like holy shit that jump in level is absrd

Died +300 times already D:

[burnt sandal]

Are you comfortable with haz 4/haz 5?

[fallen pivot]

How long is a deep dive? do I need to put any time aside for one?

[eager parcel]

It's 3 missions back to back

It usually takes roughly an hour but it might be longer for your first attempt

[fallen pivot]

ok, ty for help ❤️

[cinder hull]

yeah

probably should do more haz 5 missions

[radiant obsidian]

the main thing you need to do at harder difficulties is learn when to reposition. Stop shooting into a horde you cant kill before they reach you, turn around, sprint away to a better position. Just learn when to reposition. Running away is what elves do. Dwarves reposition.

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[hazy comet]

budget an hour for elite deep dives. they rarely take half an hour

usually 40-50 mins

tip for elite deep dives: try and keep your sightlines in a 180 degree cone at most. engineer platforms with bug repellant upgrade can create a horizontal wall along a cave wall to protect your rear. just keep it one wide and long enough that the bugs won't ignore them. Those platforms follow tower defense rules so if there is no way to get to you or it is too long the glyphids will just ignore them.

[limpid glen]

we ran this one as 4 engineers. it was ridiculous, had to rebuild the floor out of platforms after every fight

[old widget]

I’m not sure our crew has ever finished any of our several EDDs in less than an hour, but we tend to be very un-Leeroy in our approach

[hazy comet]

the longer you take the more miniswarms spawn. in general its a good idea to go as fast as possible

ignore gold to clear the missions faster. it takes so long to mine

[wraith shard]

this edd is cancer

[final plover]

https://tenor.com/view/brutal-metalocalypse-fucking-brutal-nathan-explosion-adult-swim-gif-5930445

EDD

[heady plover]

Gold takes long to mine? Blast the gold in a sec with the driller

[hazy comet]

still takes more time than just ignoring it

[old widget]

Yeah we never grab gold

We don’t dally, but we also communicate/plan heavily before entering big /new chambers

We did this week’s in 1:10 with ten total downs across all four players

But mad props to those who can keep an even crazier pace

[chrome quiver]

Bruh that’s how long regular deep dives take for me

[verbal osprey]

"Dwarves don't die easily!"

[shadow shoal]

Scariest part of this EDD for me was in the last room of stage 2, I was gunner and looking around when I see about 20 TriJaws all pour out of the tunnel and surround our driller. Thankfully got a shield to him before the end, but man that was a lot.

[keen spoke]

Ok story time

I played driller in deep dive elite

Lets just say I didn’t get to do the team killing

Because my team killed me so many time

And i got kicked

For being bad

Feels bad man

[drifting pulsar]

I specc'd my Driller to have Cold Radiance and simply just froze bosses while my teammates deal with it (works surprisingly well; you can almost permafreeze a Hiveguard since the stream from Cryo and the AoE stacks). Whenever it was close to freezing, I tell them to start unleashing their most powerful attacks to deal max deeps so when the boss freezes, it's just in time for those attacks to hit before it defrosts (since freeze status only lasts for a very short time). Dreadnaughts are the most annoying ones to deal with since their AoE can literally OHKO from full hp.

In line with this build, I finally found a practical use for the Friendly perk (-50% friendly fire) during EDD. Definitely looking forward to almost flash freezing bosses from now on during EDD.

I've put Friendly since I'll be at the receiving end of their attacks because I'm almost always close to the bosses in an attempt to freeze them.

[old widget]

Does FF perk reduce friendly freezing power as well? Or just the AoE cold damage?

[raven grove]

Last week's lack of dreads was nice.

[torn oar]

anyone willing to help me run some deep dives. i have yet to do one and i would like to try

[burnt sandal]

Depends, what's your region ?

[torn oar]

US east

[burnt sandal]

I'm a bit too far off then 😄

good luck though

[torn oar]

thanks

[ashen solstice]

So I'm at a loss here, are deep dive rewards once per account per week or once per character per week?

[fresh escarp]

Once per week

[chrome quiver]

Account

[ashen solstice]

pain

[viral nymph]

There is a Huuli hoarder right out the gate in the deep dive and i wanna know if it will be there if i leave??

because it is like...RIGHT in front of me

[full ridge]

Should Be?

I know all deep dives is same

idk bout bug spawns

[burnt sandal]

Huuli hoarder are a seed spawn so they spawn with the cave generation

[viral nymph]

wait....so i can.......keep farming this?

[shrewd bane]

Do deep dives even have crafting materials in the first place?

[chilly trail]

i cant stop getting overclocks for the burst fire pistol for gunner

[viral nymph]

ok for real, can we make it so they cant just run on the ceiling to leave because this is honestly more frustrating than it should be

literally the only reason its escaping is because theres a bunch of little things on the ground it can crawl on so i cant shoot it and then it can just run up the ceiling

[odd comet]

Crafting minerals don't spawn in deep dives, the only way to get them there is from a Huuli hoarder

[odd comet]

You can, but you'll get more minerals from just running normal missions.

[shrewd bane]

Yeah, 3 missions w/ the chance at Mineral Mania sounds better.

[woeful bolt]

That DD was real easy, like 500 extra Nitra too lol

[burnt sandal]

yeah, not that it's very interesting but you can

[odd comet]

Well either you quit after the huuli and get 20% minerals, or you run the entire deep dive and have to do 3 missions' worth of work for a handful of minerals

In either case you're honestly better off just doing a regular mission

[wraith shard]

Was the EDD really that hard to other people?

I really thought it was unreasonably easy this week

[wraith shard]

Gunner looking for regular crew for elite deep dive, or looking to start a new crew with someone competent, floridians preferred

[robust arrow]

how hard is it to do the EDD? we usually do pugs on hazard 3, and blasted through the normal one this week super duper easy

we did it on the reset day

i want more blank matrix cores :<

[quaint lake]

try haz5

that's what EDD is like

[robust arrow]

oh....yeah we have like no overclocks right now so maybe not 😂

[quaint lake]

third stage is harder than haz5

[robust arrow]

we havent even done the assignment to unlock haz 5

done a few 4 though but yeah

[quaint lake]

people say to get very comfy on haz 4 or be somewhat confident on haz5 for solid EDD experience

[robust arrow]

okay thanks :> was last weeks normal DD really hard? we always did it on private and were two manning, but we just got wrecked by the glyphid dreadnought as two (i was a scout so i could get away, but my bf was an engineer and he was just a sitting duck and couldnt escape the speed)

but it was our first DD though

this week was super super easy, we rolled through it easily, its alot easier to deal with them when there are more than just the two of you

[quaint lake]

classic dread?

[robust arrow]

i cant remember, it was in the egg but i think it was an elite glyphid dreadnought if thats even a thing

[quaint lake]

big orange dood

[robust arrow]

yeah and super fast

[quaint lake]

there are no elites in deep dives

unless there is a warning

[robust arrow]

oh okay!

[quaint lake]

were you fighting it in a big open area?

[robust arrow]

yeah thats what we did wrong, we realised that afterwards that we were fighting in a horrible place

lots of holes and he kept falling down lol

me being a scout, didnt have a problem, then i was like "ah yes..."

😂

i think maybe it was just too late and we were sleepy

[quaint lake]

classic dread is usually the easiest dread

very slow and stupid

just don't get cornered and you should be solid

[robust arrow]

i thought the hivemind seems the easiest with the extra mobs

[quaint lake]

hive mind has busted AOE attack that hits through walls sometimes

[robust arrow]

oh jeez XD

yeah if we had a gunner with a line, it would have been alot easier, but it was a big whoopsie

think we were just panicking as was our first DD

as yeah...like i said this week was lol

(we didnt know that the materials carried through)

or status

ty tho!

we were just being panicky noobs then 😂 i think the videos i watched in prep was the EDDand i think i made him panic hahahaha

[drifting pulsar]

Just the damage afaik. but FF cryo damage is low already to begin with. I used Friendly because I know I'm going to get bombarded by my teammates' attacks, since I'm attempting to freeze the dreadnaught at close range.

[terse patrol]

any tips for the first deep dive?

[leaden cypress]

classic deep dive is pretty easy if you're used to play on haz 4

even on haz 3 actually

Anyway skip gold, focus on getting as much nitra as possible, and act fast

[rose current]

Skip gold

[hazy comet]

gold doesnt give much reward for the time spent mining it. do it if its fun for you, but it really doesn't help

[plain frigate]

I love unloading metric tons of platforms to cover all the lava during the dreadnaught fights

[terse patrol]

If you have the repellent mod for the platforms will dreadnaughts avoid it as well?

[burnt sandal]

I don't think they do

[fringe kettle]

I'm not sure, but I don't see why they wouldn't be affected by it. It simply increases the cost to pathfind over it which doesn't prevent pathfinding over it if it would cost too much to go around.

[burnt sandal]

Dreadnought are immune to a lot of things so that wouldn't surprise me if they were not affected but I guess I'll just ask the wiki people about it

[hazy comet]

afaik dreads just ignore them

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in case someone missed it in #519428953945931786 :

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/npku98/here_is_a_collection_of_data_on_normal_and_elite/

[chrome quiver]

Black box?

[old widget]

the "uplink" portion from salvage...sit on a box inside a bubble and defend it

[chrome quiver]

Ah okay

[old widget]

as a commenter suggested, it does explain the burnout on escort

[chrome quiver]

I’m actually fine with the amount of escort

I quite enjoy escort missions

[fringe kettle]

I've just skimmed the data as well as some of the comments. Looks like people are drawing conclusions without understanding why things are occurring the way they are. Most of it can be summed up as pure rng.

The warnings are skewed without any indication that they are. Elite threat and swarmaggedon were just introduced so naturally they wouldn't have a chance to cement themselves in the ranking for warnings which biases the data towards the other warnings. Really those charts should be separated into the ranges where no new missions, anomalies, or warnings are introduced. Additionally missions like escort, OSR, PE, and salvage can't exist as anything other than the primary objective. As a result they don't show up as secondary objectives while the other mission types can show up as either. I don't disagree with the conclusion reached by egglad52, but I do disagree with the lack of proper disclaimers for the limitations of the data shown.

[wet shale]

Isn't it possible to have 2 mini-mules as a secondary objectives ? they just hop on the drop pod with the regular mule

[fringe kettle]

you're correct, I'm thinking of something else

[short charm]

I dont know about you guys, but Youtube recommended me a bunch of Scout "guides" a while back and all I saw was overly twitchy gameplay. Like, the dudes just zipped around, gave a few grunts a light stroking of the health bar with the GK2 every now and then (didnt kill the target or anything), tossed a cryo grenade then proceeded to not kill the frozen targets etc. It really annoyed me. If you call something a "guide", you make it seem like youre some kind of authority on the matter.

But all I saw was just highly inefficient gameplay.

Kinda spurred me to put up a few gameplay videos of my own. Not gonna call them guides or anything, its just Haz5 gameplay on harder missions that could serve as inspiration for others or whatever.

[drifting pulsar]

Yup it is possible to have this w/o the drop pod repair.

[raven grove]

I would like less escort and less elimination, please. Both are a samey chore.

[chrome quiver]

Bruh elim is like the most fun

[raven grove]

Only twins are fun. The other two are just a chore.

[chrome quiver]

What are the fun modes in this game then?

[upbeat obsidian]

EDD was fun this week. Got a good group that worked together well, and we had fun

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[leaden cypress]

N I C E

Where muh 5.5 aquarqs

[void moss]

What does the disable inertia thing do on my platform gun ?

[short charm]

With the mod enabled your own inertia is added to the platforms you shoot. In some situations, its possible to fall almost as fast as the guns own projectile which often meant death after a long fall. With the mod enabled, your own speed is added on top of the guns own projectile speed. Good for firing down to get platforms deployed before you hit the ground. Not so good if you sidestep whilst shooting platforms, as this makes the projectile veer to the left/right a bit.

If you sidestep right and want to hit a specific spot, you have to aim to the left a bit to compensate for this.

This is how the physics of your grenades has worked for a long long time. As Scout, when I want to throw a grenade extra far, I often grapple forward before tossing the grenade. This is great for hitting distant breeders with a cryo grenade or putting up IFG grenades on walls and ceilings.

[pale dust]

I love Disabled Inertia Inhibitor on my mobile Engineer. If you're into scrabbling around the environment it works wonders.

Throw in Dash and Hoverboots and you can cosplay as a Scout. Not a very good cosplay, but hey.

I can imagine, with some practice, it working really well with the RJ250 OC

[ivory cypress]

If you were to finish a morkite objective could you choose not to deposit at the end of the stage and bring a full bag for the next stages objective?

[buoyant wing]

no it doesn't carry over

[chrome quiver]

I feel like this week went by super quickly

[woven stream]

What is this inertia disabling you're speaking of? Where is it? How do I get it? I want it.

Is it an overclock?

Oh my god, it's an upgrade! Since when has that been there?

This is fantastic.

[ivory cypress]

Anyone have last minute advice for the EDD? More specifically the second stage. I keep getting overwhelmed by the two swarms early on

[nimble fox]

@woven stream it's the last modification of the engi's platform gun, it was added last patch. rank 3

[raven grove]

Make sure you have somebody on swarm duty, whether the driller or the gunner.

Sticky flame or neurotoxin autocannon.

Gunner can still do good dread damage with his secondary, especially if lead spray brt

[ivory cypress]

Thanks, also I’m wondering if it’s even worth it to try and get Bet-c since she’s so far out of the way

[raven grove]

Bet-c is a pushover when you’re kitted for dreads

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[uncut raptor]

predictions on where the DD and EDD are going to be located this week?

[violet niche]

both on magma core with every event being exploder infestation, escort duty only

[dreamy dragon]

and dreadnought secondary

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Swarmageddon + lethal enemies

[atomic anchor]

Featuring dante from the devil may cry series

[chrome quiver]

Motorcycle sword

[eager parcel]

Stage 1: lethal enemies escort with eggs as a secondary
Stage 2: point extraction with a dreadnaught secondary and elite threat
Stage 3: shield disruption escort with a black box secondary

It's possible in theory

[wet shale]

double escort, just like in the good old days

[serene dragon]

Hey everyone, do you think it'll be possible to use a proximity chat when mods will be on the game ? I think the immersion will be awesome ✊

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[void moss]

which players level / experience is reccomended before trying deep dives ?

[uncut raptor]

deep dives do not get any harder than hazard level 3.5, so new players who've just promoted should be fine doing them

[void moss]

So far i'm level 31, got the scout promoted once and about to promote the engineer for the 1st time

[severe tusk]

Yeah, if you can do HAZ 3 and 4 missions comfortably, Deep Dives are easily doable. If you can reliably finish HAZ 4 missions, give EDDs a try too. You get matrix core rewards from each of them every week.

[uncut raptor]

^

if you're feeling ambitious, you could even do deep dives solo

[violet niche]

solo elite deep dives can be pretty manageable, especially with iron will giving you an extra down or just having good gamesense

it seems daunting, but it's a lot more manageable if you're in the right mindset

[flat dirge]

solo gives ya less bugs and bosco

[violet niche]

solo limits your downs, but I've found doing them solo to be less failure-prone

[flat dirge]

solo limits your downs, but I find every other aspect of solo making it easier

[violet niche]

though that's less an endorsement of playing solo and more me throwing shade at my friends

[void moss]

Solo-scouting ?

[severe tusk]

I am feeling an O2 hazard in at least one of these two deep dives. It's been a while. I haven't missed them though 😄

[violet niche]

I tend to engie or gunner edds

but engie is my most consistent class in general, so it's really what you're comfortable with

[severe tusk]

I like to play Gunner in EDDs too since you can use your shield to save your teammates.

[violet niche]

and gunner solo with the minigun can really help out with any escorts the game throws your way

[uncut raptor]

i primarily play gunner in both DD and EDD missions for this reason

[violet niche]

also, tip for solo escorts as gunner, I've found substantially more success trailing behind doretta rather than standing on her, but my problem on these missions is always doretta's health rather than my own, so it's really a playstyle thing

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[severe tusk]

Here comes the scouting report.

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Sandblasted Corridors | Code Name: Pure Leverage
Stage 1: 6 Eggs + Dreadnought Twins | Parasites
Stage 2: ⛽ On-site Refining + 📡 1 Black Box | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 2 Dreadnoughts (Twins + Classic) + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Abyssal Death
Stage 1: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen
Stage 2: 4 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Lethal Enemies
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!

[severe tusk]

Well, sadly, my feeling about a low oxygen mission was correct.

[uncut raptor]

escort with low O2???? let's gooooo

[covert plaza]

well escort with low o2 is chill

[severe tusk]

Does the drilldozer provide oxygen when you're near it? I don't even know.

[uncut raptor]

yeah

[severe tusk]

Ah, pretty easy then.

[covert plaza]

piping or point extraction is a disaster with low o2

[uncut raptor]

atleast it isn't stage 3 of the EDD too

dread twins though... ugh

[severe tusk]

Yeah, the last two DDs/EDDs that had O2 hazards were refinery and point extraction missions IIRC.

And they sucked to do 😄

[broken shore]

EDD 3rd mission 250 morkite, 2 egg / no mutator

[uncut raptor]

huh

edd isn't so bad this week then

other than escort being slow, i'm guessing it'll be easy to grind the edd this week?

[high garden]

No dreads, no magma core, no aquarks on the edd? Man glad we get a relaxing one this week

[dark raven]

management ran out of eggs again i see

[high garden]

Can’t remember the last time I saw a deep dive without eggs lol
Not that I’m complaining

[plush forge]

it's a great way to generate some artificial difficulty. every egg has a chance to spawn a wave, so it's a way to keep pressure on the team through the mission that's much more organic than some of the other modes.

[finite vigil]

something tells me that everyone at DRG is a distant cousin of Robotnik

it would explain their obsession with eggs.

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-cool-dance-lights-gif-12332457

[sturdy berry]

i do see a lot of robotnik engis

[mossy jacinth]

Seems alright for an EDD

[limber dragon]

Yeah this EDD should be cake. And thankfully the O2 escort is stage one, get that one out of the way.

[vale lintel]

eggs better than dreadnaught dreadnaught dreadnaught dreadnaught deep dive

last week's was just not very fun

[raven grove]

I am so sick of dreadnaughts.

[unreal talon]

I dont mind dreads as long as they are the primary objective. Having dreads as secondary objectives can be rough since the enemies waves keep coming. Magma area can be a nuisance too. Just dont give me PE and and Dreads as secondary. That combo can be brutal haha

[chrome quiver]

Let me fix that for you

Just don’t give me PE

[sturdy berry]

last weeks dreads was kinda fun, but i would not like that as a regular thing

but i doubt it will be

[chrome quiver]

This week seems easy enough as well

Time to finish the weekly assignments and the 2 deep dives day 1 then have nothing to do the rest of the week

[void moss]

what's black box ?

[uncut raptor]

it's like the salvage missions where you have to stay close to the uplink/fuel

[stone chasm]

uplink just by itself, no minimules/powercells

[void moss]

so it's ez ?

[old widget]

ehhh...depends. sometimes the black box is the "filter" for an EDD that causes a lot of teams to fail. on DD should be fine

getting a black box shoved way down in the bottom of a vertical cave with bulks and mactera spawning non-stop on H5.5 is not EZ

not that I'm traumatized or anything by that week, no sirree

that's a very good point about black boxes in DD/EDD that players (including myself) often forget in the heat of the moment

[chrome quiver]

Now time to wait then start up the EDD with dark morkite

[old widget]

what are the mechanics of restarting a failed black box in a deep dive? do you have to re-repair it from scratch?

[wraith shard]

EDD Stage 2 Lethal Enemies with BETC, no idea how we survived that

[chrome quiver]

Isn’t lethal enemies only melee?

[wraith shard]

yeah, had a wave during the betc cuz it was hiding behind a pillar

[chrome quiver]

Oof rip

[wraith shard]

one guy jumped right into her and got deleted

[chrome quiver]

You got it though, gg

[wraith shard]

I got tf out of there and had to clutch

Good thing the driller made some tunnels

[valid phoenix]

oh god there's betc too?

[chrome quiver]

Yesterday I had a regular mission where we fought bet c over the course of 3 waves, because she was playing some top notch hide n seek

[wraith shard]

oh wow that's worse that this EDD, it was like a game of peek-a-boo for a bit

[chrome quiver]

Big room, about 10 different looping tunnels she kept running off through. Didn’t help we were low on nitra and needed a resupply too lol

[wraith shard]

yikes

[heady wedge]

@torpid plover

[chrome quiver]

I generally like getting bet c earlier on to prevent ammo shortages during the fight, and to make sure we don’t run into her later on at a bad time

[chrome quiver]

Did this guy just ping that person in every chat?

[vale lintel]

seemingly

[cunning herald]

Yes, but on the 3rd one, and you can skip it honestly ^^'

Also if you drink the Morkite beer, that make that Elite deep dive really easy

[chrome quiver]

That’s the plan

[unreal talon]

I’m all about challenging EDDs but this weeks was fun and relaxing. Doretta stage 1. Get that out of the way. Eggs and morkite.

[random path]

so many eggs and morkite

[finite vigil]

what is morkite even used for

fuel for the station?

[burnt sandal]

liquid morkite is space fuel basically

[past drum]

it was super easy

didnt even need to trigger betc

[radiant granite]

snoozer edd tbqh

escort, then 2 stages that are both easy and basically the same

[wraith shard]

Most exciting part of the normal DD was engineer getting stuck inside the refinery hole in the ceiling

[old widget]

Stupid engis and their rocket riding aspirations

[heady wedge]

yea i was trolling my friend lol

[chrome quiver]

Ah okay

[severe tusk]

With friends like you, who needs enemies elves 😄

[hazy comet]

my EDD this morning had dark morkite buff beer so we got to avoid the betc

[frank canyon]

so uhh

this edd

is uhh

special for sure

[hazy comet]

cave gen is super strange. lots of pits

[shrewd bane]

Is there a survival bonus in deep dives?

[old widget]

Nope

[severe root]

EDD is super easy this week - BET-C fight and a couple of surprise leeches were the only things that slowed down my rando pub team even a little bit.

I think in the last 3-ish months, there's only been that one aquarqs + hiveguard EDD that had a significant difficulty spike, due to spawns.

[hoary yarrow]

who is karl?

[burnt sandal]

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Karl

[unreal talon]

Yup. That one still haunts me. And it was mactera plague LOL!

[severe root]

Oof that too, ouch.

[woeful bolt]

The one a few weeks ago was rough, I think that's the one you are referring to?

All I remember is aquarqs on stage 2 and mactera on stage 3

[severe root]

Yeah it was just one stage with a surprising difficulty spike because of interaction between PE spawns + dread as secondary objective not disabling spawns, but most of the EDD's lately have been pretty forgiving with mission/modifier mixes and so on.

[woeful bolt]

I was a scout and ended up having to leave my team behind on the aquarqs stage after I got revived from someone's Iron Will. So many bugs lol

[severe root]

I wonder if there are certain combinations that are disabled, such as whether you can get PE+eggs+O2 on haz 5.5.

With lethal enemies on top of that, haha.

And then a terribad cave gen to go along with it.

Such as all aquarqs/eggs spawn at the bottom of a very vertical cave with no Molly.

[prisma acorn]

Was anyone else struggling for nitra on this weeks EDD? Only had one quick run through so far got to 3rd stage but very short on ammo straight from the drill dozer onwards 😂. Hopefully we just missed pieces somewhere or maybe was just wasting ammo. Lesson learned for next time.

[woeful bolt]

I think we had like 4 extra resupplies at the end

So you probably missed a good bit of nitra

[loud isle]

Everyone asking who is Karl but does anyone ever wonder HOW is Karl?

[leaden cypress]

😔

[shadow yoke]

deep dive this week pretty mellow

[old widget]

Yeah for vanilla DD stage 1 we pulled eggs nonstop, ended up popping double swarms, then scout decided to up the ante and let the twins loose at the same time. Was a good time

EDD was also pretty chill, got a tiny bit hairy on stage 2 when a swarm caught us split up in a bad spot but pulled through. Ended up letting the BET-C sleep

DDs aside, I do wish BET-C gave some kind of post-mission XP/gold bonus like Korlok

I guess having an ally is its own reward

[hushed sequoia]

"""ally"""

we had a driller that was drilling through the cave walls instead of going down the caves for some reason and ended up starting bet-c during a swarm

[shadow shoal]

Smort

[winter herald]

Deep dives have been sandblasted corridors 24/7 the past month or so, anyone notice that?

or am i just going crazy

not like its a big deal

but i swear its just been the same biome for weeks lol

[covert plaza]

better than magma core with exploder infestation

[uncut raptor]

what if you were having a good run

but director said

dread twins spawn on stage 3

:)

[dreamy dragon]

Well

Bad RNG

[uncut raptor]

yep, unfortunate

i just hate the twins as a boss, if it was any other dread i wouldn't have been as mad about losing the run

[high garden]

EDD was super easy this week, aside from the freakishly large number of leeches on the final stage

[woeful bolt]

Wasn't it glacier a week or two ago?

[brisk pagoda]

the one that really sucked was salt pits point extract + black box. box at the bottom of a ditch and spawns filled with shellback and web spitter. that was before u33 though.

[raven grove]

I prefer the twins to any other dread. They’re actually fun.

[dreamy dragon]

Bro, that one leech in a TUNNEL

Never seen that before

I saw it about to grab me and I couldn't react. My brain was in "wtf is going on??" mode

[winter herald]

No clue tbh

[old widget]

Yeah if we hadn’t been on the buddy system that one would’ve fed well

[dreamy dragon]

My lad was just a few meters behind me thankfully

[chrome quiver]

Buddy system is big brain strats

[dark raven]

this week dives were really good fun i have to say, very nice 🙂

[chrome quiver]

Radioactive zone is my second least favourite region, but it was still a fun edd

Escort + low o2 felt like a waste of the modifier though

[dark raven]

uhm not sure about what's my 2nd least favorite, least favorite for sure magma, that's just no

[chrome quiver]

Yep definitely least

[stuck stump]

So i just bought deep rock is it worth putting it on my ssd or does it not make to much of a difference

[round flare]

its a very small game, around 2.1 gb iirc, so if you can fit it on your ssd i would go for it

[old widget]

It’s not a disk-heavy game. SSD won’t help a ton. But as pointed out above, it’s also a small game, so…

[quick glacier]

currently trying to solo the edd, how do i stop bosco from peeving the bet c

[stuck stump]

thanks guys

[civic ledge]

Ping specific areas to keep him occupied, or just avoid her

[celest warren]

How does one join a deep dive?

[leaden cypress]

Is any of your dwarves promoted ?

[soft wind]

you push the big join button under the launch button after you promote the dwarf you want to do the deep dive as, and hop in an existing lobby or make your own open lobby

[celest warren]

All the deep dive lobbies are greyed out

[wet shale]

you cannot join one that has already begun

[soft wind]

id wait a couple hours, NA is wakin up ! it should be more populated later

[calm sequoia]

Promotion, Jaidz, Bismor... You want it?

[wraith shard]

anyone got that spreadsheet for the deep dive info please?

[leaden cypress]

wot

which one ?

[wraith shard]

there was a spreadsheet before like a google doc

that had all the info for deep dives

objectives + the hazards

[eager parcel]

It's in the pinned messages

Both the spreadsheet and just a message with the deep dive info

[void moss]

what's the weakpoint of the twins dreadnought ?

[shadow shoal]

The bums

Gotta break armor off them

[void moss]

Ok thanks, i thought it was the leg

[ebon torrent]

how is the edd?

[old widget]

Like a cup of plain vanilla ice cream

[ebon torrent]

huh

thats an odd way to describe it

but i get what u mean

[dreamy dragon]

i think what AndroidAndy wanted to say is

it's like a the name implies, EDD

a classic EDD

but the "E" stands for "easy"

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[ebon torrent]

LMAOOOO

is scout like

necessary

are the eggs on the ceiling or

is it alright if we dont have a scout

cuz we only have 3 people

[raven grove]

Driller can drill to stuff on the ceiling, gunner can zip line to the ceiling, engi can use platforms to support either.

[dreamy dragon]

maps were pretty harmless

[raven grove]

Or if it’s just the one egg, you can drop a resupply pod right through it.

[dreamy dragon]

you may have a bet-c in the first stage in the first room after the spawn room, might wanna drill through first and take care of her

[raven grove]

Can even hit the egg with fatboy a few times to dig to it, but that’s an expensive last resort.

[old widget]

Second stage, no? After dozer? But yeah

[dreamy dragon]

wdym no

[old widget]

Bland and uninteresting, but still ice cream

[dreamy dragon]

i did say first stage bruh xD

[old widget]

Stage 1 was low O2 dozer. You got BETC on that stage?

[dreamy dragon]

as a duo at least

[old widget]

Us and everyone I heard talking here got BETC on stage 2

Ah. Cool

[dreamy dragon]

might be different with different number of people

or so i heard

[old widget]

Never saw fewer people cause more spawns

[dreamy dragon]

bad rng lol

especially when you don't have a driller and have to manually dig....through a 3-hit terrain

[wraith shard]

Try having a dumb Engineer and mining Nitra with 3 hit terrain no platform

30 feet high

With no hover boots or special powder

[west merlin]

Dang that's genius.
Do any destructive ways of getting resources ever destroy the resource rather than dropping it? I suppose not for mission objectives but it seems like when a Drilldozer drills through Nitra you don't get a full vein worth

[drifting pulsar]

They drop on the ground. They don't disappear. That's the same as when calling supply drops and the supply drop hits resources along the way. You can even use this to get hard-to-reach oil shales as well.

[west merlin]

Nice! Good to know

So literally nothing will destroy any type of resource, just perhaps scatter it or trap it somewhere

BTW I can see the Deep Dive and EDD mission lists but most of the teams are greyed out, why would that be? (Edit: looks like those are missions already in progress)

Oh there's 1 not greyed now

Shame since another has 2 scouts and I wanted to join as Engineer

Guess I'll join this 1 open dive

Welp that gave me a black screen and failed for some reason

I guess the grey ones are dives already in progress? Not sure why those show up at all

There's another non greyed but trying to join gives me "join failed"

[upbeat obsidian]

What an intense EDD this week. Did it with some lower level players, and got to the third stage, but we couldn't keep up with the waves. Did it again with some more veteran players and we finished it. We all thought we'd failed a few times, but everyone clutched it at least once. We got a bulk and random Twins Spawn both in the last stage (not at the same time.) Absolutely brutal but everyone was on the edge of their seats

[severe tusk]

I played it with a newer group too. BET-C plus some random glyphid adds got us on stage 2 the first time. I suggested we drop Driller and run two Gunners instead for more killing power and shield spam. BET-C was a breeze the 2nd run, and we completed all 3 stages without much issue. Two of the players were so happy to have completed it. I know some people turn their noses up at the easier EDDs, but I think it's good for the morale of more casual or lesser skilled players to be able to beat some of them every now and then.

[livid pendant]

Honestly, I like a challenge that I can actually win. Rather than beet my head against it for hours.

[stiff tulip]

I played it two times. First time with a premade squad, later with randoms. First time the bet-c got us (a swarm started and we ran out of Iron Wills). The later run went surpisingly much better and we did it. Sometimes randoms are unmatched lmao 😆

[shadow shoal]

I popped all 4 eggs on the edd at once

It was fun

[ebon torrent]

finished my very first edd yesterday

took me like 3 tries and 3 hours

but was a ton of fun

[chrome quiver]

Vanilla ice cream is the best though

[queen sinew]

Vanilla do be the best

[bitter laurel]

True vanilla, like that gourmet shit at mcdonald's or Dicky's bbq is a cut above most other ice cream.

[queen sinew]

Yeeess

[old widget]

Then this EDD is right up your alley. 😉 I at least like a few sprinkles or some chocolate syrup on top.

[raven grove]

About the only thing that beats vanilla ice cream is raspberry gelato.

That stuff is the best frozen treat in existence.

[chrome quiver]

Can’t really compare this EDD to others. It’s only my 3rd one. It’s better than last week though, but that’s just probably cause I hate magma core

The week before all I remember is not feeling prepared, and dying stage 3 to the mactera swarm

[thorny geyser]

This edd right now is rather easy when it comes to EDDs. Low O2 can be an issue, but stick close to dotty and it shouldn't be too bad.

[astral ermine]

Stage 2 tho

Lethal bugs taking away shields with one hit, kinda wild

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[void moss]

Each time i complete a deep dive I got the same rewar d ?

Like the matrix core each time ?

[fringe carbon]

QUI EST FR

[wet shale]

https://discord.gg/TBxaXEC

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[brave flower]

What's the fr server

[steel merlin]

What's the fr server
@brave flower I think that fr it's for "France"

[severe tusk]

French players, I assume.

[woven kayak]

I have a question

But what exactly is a good build for deep dives on a m1000 and boomstick scout?

Im promoting him soon and wondering what could work well on my preferred weapons

[atomic anchor]

Hoverclock is good if you're running special powder

[idle hollow]

overclock is also special powder for controller users

[idle hollow]

so for deep dives i would recommend higher ammo builds for the m1k

boomstick i like to use as a get off me tool

so i run jumbo shells

max damage and fear

[woven kayak]

Hipfire build or focus build

[idle hollow]

either or

deep dive builds i just use my higher ammo build

[mossy marlin]

Looking for a scout to run an elite deep diver (sorry if this is the wrong place to put this)

[woven kayak]

Was-

was that a rust ad

[soft stratus]

man, that was a really good EDD to get into EDDs LOL... this week was easy peasy :P

[lament summit]

whoops

that message is 2 hours old

[brave flower]

Thx

[cobalt fiber]

@woven kayak Take a look at this page: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/mxroiw/an_indepth_m1000_classic_build_discussion/

[harsh forge]

edd with 2 people was very uh, interesting

betc in the first stage, nothing of interest in the second stage, 2 dreadnaught events and 2 bulk detonators in the 3rd stage

[warm stirrup]

Real deep dive discussion when?

anyone know when the deep dive gets posted?

[wet shale]

soon after they are generated, so shortly after 13:00 UTC+2

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[void moss]

https://tenor.com/view/pogchamp-pepe-dance-pepechamp-emote-gif-9358907

[uncut raptor]

prediction: all escort edd in magma core

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[wraith shard]

I'll be so happy when I unlock Deep Dives

Probably

[uncut raptor]

gonna solo the DD now, will post stages soon

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Unveiled Citadel
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | Mactera Plague
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Classic + Hiveguard) + 📡 1 Black Box | Volatile Guts
Stage 3: 7 Aquarq + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: Shattered Armpit
Stage 1: 2 Dreadnoughts (Hiveguard + Twins) + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + Dreadnought Hiveguard | Rich Atmosphere Haunted Cave
Stage 3: 225 Morkite + Dreadnought Twins | Parasites

[wraith shard]

Seems very fun tbh

[quiet mortar]

It is!
Though it can be tough sometimes

[wraith shard]

that's what I'm here for

...once I unlock them

Lmao

[uncut raptor]

i'd recommend dropping the black box on the first stage, since you get more room

[void moss]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dog-weird-funny-dog-intensifies-gif-15547612

shattered armpit

[uncut raptor]

2nd stage of DD is elimination and black box with volatile guts

will post the dreads shortly

there's a bet-c on stage 2 as well

[wraith shard]

Are the DDs the same for everyone?

[quiet mortar]

As far as I know BET-C is not seeded, seems to be insanely random.

And yes!

[wraith shard]

Oh nice

I can't wait until I unlock them

[quiet mortar]

Well you only have to promote 1 Dwarf so shouldn't take you too long!

[uncut raptor]

you can only use the promoted dwarf in them though

[wraith shard]

Level 25 on a dwarf to promote right?

My Driller is almost level 20 already so probably gonna promote him and torch the DD

[quiet mortar]

Yep

[paper gull]

iirc stuff like bet-c is seeded but the seed is affected by the number of dwarfs, no ?

so if you get a party of 4 and see a bet-c, then bet-c will be there for every party of 4

but it might not be there if you go solo or with a party of 3

[quiet mortar]

Maybe? Honestly no idea, which is enough for me to not mention it XD
Potential Surprise!

[uncut raptor]

first dread is standard, 2nd dread is hiveguard

[paper gull]

nah, I'm fairly confident it works like I said, if you see a bet-c, it'll always be there for that dive with the same party size

and like, exact same spawn location every time too, was pretty apparent in the one 2 weeks ago with bet-c appearing in room 2 every time (for parties of 4)

[uncut raptor]

low o2 point extraction...

im really not looking forward to the edd this week

first 2 stages look very tedious

[naive monolith]

its taking the piss with all these dreadnaughts. Think the week before last week, we had to fight dreadnaughts in every stage in magma core and then an extra one spawned in on the middle stage with the lethal enemies.

[uncut raptor]

idm doing eliminations in deep dives, but i really don't like elimination + low o2

[void moss]

Haunted Cave is a bit less painfull with Rich Atmosphere

[upbeat fable]

2nd stage EDD is hell

You start in the middle of the room, and there are like 6 spitballers around you

also Bulk spawned when we fought Hiveguard there

[lucid trellis]

Oh crap new missions

I missed that

[subtle epoch]

That new EDD sounds like P A I N

[keen raptor]

omg the number of stabber vines EDD stage 2 is insane

i was initially going to shoot them all from the safety of the droppod but the ghost started to get mad so i had to run into the chaos lol

i also just had 2 bulks spawn as soon as i decided to fight the dreadnaught

[raven grove]

Sounds like a free dread kill

[keen raptor]

in an ideal world true lmao

[atomic anchor]

Normal DD seems like it'll be a neat challenge to solo

The dreads, low oxygen, and mactera plague seem like they'll be the toughest.

[elfin falcon]

the edd seems ok on paper but so little nitra

karma for all those weeks in a row where you end up with 400 nitra going into s3

we managed, but barely

[raven grove]

I may skip this EDD. It looks really stupid.

I hate elimination more than escort.

[quaint pebble]

yeah it's pretty stupid

[lament hamlet]

EDD - Pray for the fallen drawfs

[river pawn]

just fucking died because molly got in my way on stage 2

[chrome quiver]

Yeah I’ll try it once and if I fail then I’ll be done with it. Doesn’t look too fun

[quaint pebble]

stage 2 is just rough

[river pawn]

that shit's fucked

[hazy comet]

EDD is pretty ok, the only tough stage imo is the 2nd one where you just get dropped in a huge cavern and every single bug in the map aggros on you immediately

[radiant obsidian]

yep that was fun, that's the sort of thing I play this game for tbh

[atomic anchor]

Time to die soloing the DD

[cunning zinc]

Could I justifiably kick an engineer from my team on the deep dive Elite if they were using breach cutter rounds against single enemies?

[chrome quiver]

Okay regular dd was a breeze

Not a single down

[burnt sandal]

unless he's throwing intentionally, not really

but that's your game so you do you

[chrome quiver]

And only once was I worried about my o2 in stage 3

[cunning zinc]

I down and there was a grunt attacking me and there was nothing else spawned in and he used a breach cutter against it. He probably went through well over half of his breech cutter ammo in a situation where his shotgun or SMG (I didn't catch which one he had) would have done just fine

[uncut orbit]

That's was strange

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628295395759620106/852604127606734859/unknown.png

[cunning zinc]

we failed that deep dive because I was just in shock that an engineer would only use breach cutter and no shotgun or SMG

[chrome quiver]

That uh is a lot of downs

[cunning zinc]

If they won they won it doesn't matter how many gallons they had

*Downs

[chrome quiver]

Okay?

I was just saying it was a lot of downs

[old widget]

It's definitely not what I would consider S-tier gaming, but if he didn't run out and didn't fail to support the team at a given moment, I don't know that I'd care much, certainly not enough to fixate on it

Maybe he was running a max ammo BC build?

I think max ammo builds are like 20+ rounds so some room for indiscretion

[cunning zinc]

Even if he's running a max ammo build at best he's going to get 50 kills before he's completely out of ammo in his breach cutter and remember this was the elite deep dive where there was two dreadnoughts we would have to fight I don't want to have to use three supply drops to kill a dreadnought.

[cunning zinc]

Max ammo with the breech cutter is 27 shots.

[old widget]

I hear you - it's not a great sign by itself - just saying I'd wait to observe the rest of the behavior before giving up on 'em.

[cunning zinc]

And like I said we didn't last long enough because I was

1. A bit too tired to be doing the elite deep dive
2. Incomplete shock that a platinum promotion engineer would be using breech cutter rounds against a single grunt.

*In complete

[old widget]

But I tend to be pretty forgiving, even in EDDs. It's a PvE game with a huge mix of skill sets and a /lot/ of people trying things that are probably above their current skill level, sometimes you just gotta roll with it and always blame the scout

[cunning zinc]

The main reason I would be less forgiving in that specific situation is because it was just me and him

Because under normal circumstances I would be a little bit forgiving of failures of tactical knowledge like that but I'm not good enough to carry the weight of someone wasting their ammo.

In a Dreadnought battle on hazard 4

[finite vigil]

stage 2 tho

but rich atmosphere will help

[old widget]

I hear nitra is tighter this EDD?

[dapper vigil]

it is

[cobalt fiber]

We did EDD, run into nitra issues. Very low, but manageable.

[dapper vigil]

if youre going full squad youll have to be ammo efficient

1st stage youll have enough nitra for only 3 resupplies

[old widget]

eep

good to know

[dapper vigil]

it might sound a lot, but keep in mind youre fighting twins and the hiveguard, alongside a swarm from eggs

and the mini waves that happen

[old widget]

yuuup

[cobalt fiber]

We did 2 resups after killing dreads and went to the 2nd stage half-naked. That was a mistake, because the welcoming party was hard and the supply we ordered right next to the pod was immediately overwhelmed by stabber vines...

[finite vigil]

welp, missed out an entire cave in the 1st stage cos the other team called the drop pod early.

this is gonna go well...

[cobalt fiber]

It's better to resup before stage 2 IMO.

[dapper vigil]

^^^^ this

and also keep enough nitra for a resupply

youll seriously need it shortly, the amount of bugs that pre-spawn can be overwhelming

[cobalt fiber]

On the 2nd stage most of the nitra is high up, scout needs to flare it for engi to put platforms. Without scout and engi both (or a driller with crazy-ass EPC skills) it's impossible to get any sensible amounts of nitra.

[finite vigil]

aaaaaaaand everyone's dead

[old widget]

and nitra is fun enough to spot in Hollow...

[finite vigil]

because these idiots called the drop pod early without exploring the whole of stage 1 first

[past drum]

wtf? how the fuck are we supposed to beat 2nd stage

edd

[old widget]

I assume you can't cower in the pod to handle the welcome committee on stage 2 because of casper

[compact quarry]

yeah stage 2 went so badly everyone left by the time we all started getting downed

edd*

[old widget]

heh

our regular crew can't get together for this EDD until Saturday, so we appreciate all the reconnaissance 😉

[leaden kindle]

tips for no a no-overclock player doing the EDD?

[old widget]

what class?

[past drum]

dont even try

this one at least

[leaden kindle]

Well, thanks for the encouraging words

[old widget]

(always try!)

[past drum]

D: sorry

[leaden kindle]

it's fine! I saw how hard it was for you, and I understand. I'm flexible and don't have an established team

I play all 4

I started with driller, if you would like a specific class though

[old widget]

cryo driller probably easiest to contribute/stay alive with no OCs IMO

[raw bloom]

@brisk venture go watch his videos on youtube

he never uses OCs!

[leaden kindle]

never played cryo driller, how do you play it?

[compact quarry]

hopefully i can at least finish edd stage 2 so i get all the weapon ocs i can get this week

[old widget]

cryo gives you excellent crowd control, and if you're good with timing it can be real useful against hiveguard and OG dreads

twins a little harder to get close to

[compact quarry]

yeah

since they can dig away while your trying to freeze them

wasting ammo

[old widget]

with cryo + barbed drills + vampire, you also effectively have three weapon ammo pools

cryo freeze + drill to death for grunts, freeze + axe for praets, etc.

[leaden kindle]

barbed drills?

[old widget]

it's a mod on the drills

[leaden kindle]

ah i see

[old widget]

does more damage to enemies

I'd probably go play some H5 with cryo driller before hopping into an EDD with an unfamiliar build tho

[leaden kindle]

Gotcha

I have never touched cryo mods, what are the differences in the builds?

[old widget]

if you're looking for vanilla cryo driller build advice, #drg-chat is probably a better resource than here

[leaden kindle]

thanks!

[finite vigil]

so uh, how to get through the start of stage 2?

[severe tusk]

Gunner shields and lots of grenades?

[elfin falcon]

IMO scout m1k with ammo, armour breaking, blowthrough rounds is really solid without OCs. also since boomstick special powder is good enough, you can just use base boomstick and try and make do without the mobility. I know that's the whole point of running special powder, but I find myself using it in combat against things like mactera and it does fine

[old widget]

@leaden kindle another viewpoint on vanilla class in an EDD ^

[finite vigil]

jeez, stage 2 really is fucked

a million everything

[dreamy dragon]

Just spray breach cutter in every direction while sitting in the pod still

Scout grapples away and snipes the rest

Just theorycrafting haven't tried this one yet lmao

[leaden cypress]

i love how we died when extracting at stage 3

cuz some dreadnought twins decided to spawn instead of a swarm

[finite vigil]

it's those fucking spitballers that are the problem

dozens of them around you

[finite vigil]

the problem is tho that Casper exists

[past drum]

ok we managed to get through stage 2 because im a god at this game

is stage 3 hard

[runic turret]

jesus, 3 negative modifiers on the EDD

[leaden cypress]

not as cursed as stage 2 but still annoying as hell

you'll love dreadnought swarm

[past drum]

yeah we made it

[finite vigil]

omfg this is impossible

spitballers everywhere

[compact quarry]

was able to do it

took alot of patience

[finite vigil]

above, below, behind

fucking ridiculous

and you can't cover in the pod because of the ghost bulk

[hazy comet]

LURE + nuke engi was how i managed it for my pub group

that allowed them to just kill all the spitballers

[modern tinsel]

Reading how rough this is makes sense with the quote on the terminal.. "This is the kind of place they say we lost Karl"

[finite vigil]

aight, engy in my team's got em equipped

why the fuck is every driller on my team leaving after they get downed

ffs

[hazy comet]

usually driller players are good players in my experience ¯_(ツ)_/¯

definitely not biased or anything 🙂

[finite vigil]

it's just odd how they're all ragequitting today for me.

on stage 1.

[burnt sandal]

not at all

[hazy comet]

[hazy comet]

in my experience this is always scout players. especially scout mains who die in extremely hard to reach places

[finite vigil]

last thing I need rn is people ragequitting outside of the abhorrent stage 2 today.

[compact quarry]

yeah we got to the last of stage 3 before we all went down, so close too

[hazy comet]

my whole team wiped after we pulled 2 eggs at once i had to solo the whole double wave

[compact quarry]

ended up all using iron will on the dreadnaut

[hazy comet]

hence why i recommend lure + nuke for this stage lmao

[finite vigil]

ok we managed to clear out the spawn room

course, since our bitch driller ragequit, we can't make any bunkers ._.

[leaden cypress]

i love it when engi just spam fat boys on everyone then instantly leave whenever we fail the EDD

such as shooting one at me when i'm reviving a mate

for some reason 😔

[compact quarry]

yeah seems people really don't like this week's EDD

[finite vigil]

YES

STAGE 2 DONE

and I get lighter tanks for it. a shitty ammo oc.

https://tenor.com/view/killme-adamsandler-robyhart-weddingsinger-miserable-gif-6213633

[uncut raptor]

it's pretty easy solo, did it blind and got sub 40 minutes

[finite vigil]

EDD done

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[severe tusk]

Wrong biome.

[finite vigil]

lel

byeah, that was torturous

and all I got for it was a shitty ammo OC

[radiant obsidian]

yea 2nd stage is kinda a hot entrance. I just did it by going back behind the droppod, away from all the spitballs, and drilling into the wall, holding up for a bit killing the grunts, mactera, then coming out to clear all the stabbers and spitballs after that initial chaos had died down

did like a semi circle so I could get out the other side when the ghost came

[finite vigil]

I thought there were spitballs behind the pod

it honestly felt like they were everywhere

[radiant obsidian]

behind the pod is just a stabber, and a big wall

the spitballs are all in front of the pod

[river pawn]

the worst aprt about the EDD stage 2 is that even if you do manage to weed out the starting enemies

the haunted fucker just catches up with you by then

[radiant obsidian]

the ghost is something that seems hard at first, but then you realise he's actually quite easy to kite, and is basically just an annoyance. Also you have rich atmosphere so can easily manouver

not saying that stage 2 isnt hard, cos it is, but the ghost isn't really the issue, it's the incredibly hot landing area

[ebon lagoon]

guys really quick: are dreadnoughts and their variants affected by engineers l.u.r.e. grenade???

[wraith shard]

I mean driller is a great class

he can swarm clear high hazzards by himself

[radiant obsidian]

driller is probably the strongest solo class

depends on the situation i guess, but driller has a lot of tools at his disposal

[old widget]

I think it simply becomes a fifth potential target for dread aggro. It definitely does /not/ work on dreads like it does on trash mobs where it pulls 100% aggro nearby

[leaden cypress]

I love how with correct teammates, everything just go smoothly

we ended with like 200 nitra lol

Though that stage 2 truly felt like apocalypse

same vibes as that azure weald EDD stage 3 when you had to get 10 aquarqs + fight a classic dread as secondary objective

10 min in and you already had a swarm every minute

[random path]

[tidal valley]

I need therapy ice cream after EDD stage 2

[tight heron]

I need therapy after being the last alive in stage 2, clearing most of the enemies, and being 0.01 seconds away from reviving the gunner before my internet connection shat itself and I disconnected

[tidal valley]

my internet didn't give out, but I was in the same situation as you

only ammo was in me drills

[tight heron]

vamp drills kept me going

[tidal valley]

I don't even know how we made it

it's all a blur now

never again

[finite vigil]

nah that was like smooth butter for me

this felt like a bull shark

[tacit fulcrum]

Can we talk about that EDD stage 2 landing zone!!!

I don't even think I got to count the stabber vines ....

I clocked at least 4.

And of course ... three heads each

[tidal valley]

plus the four spitballer

[wintry kayak]

And the Haunted Cave

+it's a bulk seed

[tidal valley]

loved the three bulks in stage 2

[tacit fulcrum]

Oh, there's four?

[tidal valley]

I think?

[tacit fulcrum]

We weren't alive long enough to see more than two.

[tidal valley]

there were more up high

[tacit fulcrum]

And one of them was floating, because fuck you thats why.

[tidal valley]

plus a leech

yyeeeeep

[tacit fulcrum]

We wiped in trhee minutes.

[tidal valley]

you were saved

it was bad

three bulks spawned in addition to the haunted bulk

there was enough nitra for two resupplies

[tacit fulcrum]

between two spitballers at least four stabber vines a ton of mactera in the welcoming committee the ghost ... and me with only 150 rounds of minigun at low health at the landing ... not even to mention the horrible terrain gen ...

we did not survive that LZ long 😛

[tidal valley]

yeah

I wish I could say it got better

but it never lets you stabilize

at the very least, the third stage isn't a complete mess

[severe tusk]

Reminds me of the original X-COM game where your squad could be killed inside of the dropship before they even had a chance to act.

[tacit fulcrum]

Apparently the ghost can do that but that was not any of our cause of death 😛

[severe tusk]

Yeah, I have not tried the EDD yet, but it sounds horrifying. Normally for that second stage I would say to just have the Gunner drop a shield for the group while the Driller digs a hole in the ground and bunker up, but that strategy will not save you vs. the Unknown Horror 😄

[hushed sequoia]

2nd stage of the edd wasnt actually too bad but we had 3 people instead of 4

i built sentries in the droppod and targetted the spitballers that were visible then just dashed out and aimed for the spitballers

[native pulsar]

did solo on edd with out the help of randoms, it was pretty fun ngl

on 2nd stage just quickly get to the cliff at the back of the drop pod and just resup there, thats a really good hold spot honestly

also did a big brain play, on the 1st stage was fighting the twins, in a conveniently timed detonator arrival, thought might use it to kill the twins one shot

it killed the lacerator one shot but not the arbalest but was low health so finished it off with my breach cutter.

very nice timing ngl

[frank halo]

wtf this is week EDD 2nd stage

[severe tusk]

You are not the first and will likely not be the last person to utter that phrase 😄

[shrewd lichen]

This EDD is cancer. Each time I fail on the ridiculous stage 2 I have to redo the completely unfun dreads and eggs with no oxygen.

[severe tusk]

I do prefer when the worst stage is the 1st one, but at least it's not the last!

[elfin falcon]

I'm wonder if it was just us who struggled with nitra issues throughout. We were 4 so maybe that exacerbates it but we were ammo starved throughout the edd

We made it through but it was nerve wracking

[severe tusk]

The regular DD was pretty chill. I will try the EDD in a day or two.

[atomic anchor]

The regular DD was pretty smooth, the low oxygen arquarq or the mactera plague was probably the worst of it. Not bad to solo

[elfin falcon]

I must shout-out the randos I did the edd with for the dread fights, I think we killed both hiveguards in 3 cycles and both twins with only one regen cycle. Given we were already nitra poor that mightve been a game saver

[radiant granite]

pretty sure my team only got 1 bulk during stage 2

this EDD definitely is nitra poor

kinda enjoyed that part of it, tbh

really came down to the wire

[digital viper]

So... are they gonna fix this week's EDD having like 1-2 resupps of nitra per level?

[radiant granite]

definitely not

https://files.catbox.moe/x4476n.jpg stats btw

[leaden cypress]

There's a lot of nitra on stage 2 actually

iirc there are like 7 veins

3 at the same spot

[radiant obsidian]

I mean the elite deep dive is supposed to be hard content, so what do they need to "fix"?

Personally, I wish there was even harder content available :)

[night sleet]

agreed

need to cater to the tryhards 😄

[leaden cypress]

low nitra but it shouldn't be as nightmare fuel as stage 2's beginning tbh

[radiant obsidian]

I just really like stuff that seems so hard it's unfair, then working out a way to beat it.

[gleaming spindle]

gotta find different builds and stuff

[elfin falcon]

i mean we had more than a month of edds with way too much nitra so it was only a matter of time before we got one with less

[naive glacier]

This week's EDD was definitely a nice change of pace. I felt like the last couple have been on the easier side. Felt a nice sense of danger especially with stage 2 this week.

[finite vigil]

well it's a bit more interesting than finishing the dive with a 1000 nitra

my last attempt (successful), the Naedo breeder spawned right in front of the pod so the scout was able to cryo it immediately

[woeful bolt]

I love flying into caves as scout when there is multiple breeders and I insta freeze them all. So satisfying

Until I get lit up by multiple spitballers in weird locations

[elfin falcon]

cries in IFGs

[woeful bolt]

I really enjoy the situational uses of cryo more though. IMO it outshines IFGs when used correctly

Or at least it's more satisfying for me

[wraith shard]

Cryo builds can really help with exploder infestations.

Anyone else a fan of cryo minelets?

[old widget]

I’ve been trying it and still don’t like it. Seems to take a fair bit of skill to get the timing and placement right that I haven’t mastered yet. (And I am finally using blowthrough now which was a duh moment)

The delay before the minelets do their thing is what gets me

[wraith shard]

Hehe. The minelets work best when fired in the path of a bug.
Works wonders if you draw a minelet line infront of a swarmer horde.

All frozen and gone.

[old widget]

Definitely would be nice for swarmers

[wraith shard]

It is somewhat similar to the drillers sticky flames build.

[steady mountain]

anyone wanna deep dive rn? its my first time

[simple smelt]

i don't use them any more but i used cryo minelets with the piercing mod. you shoot at the bugs at the front and then the minelets freeze the rest

[raven grove]

I don’t find ammo starvation an enjoyable mechanic in any game.

[woeful bolt]

I like having just enough. Too much Nitra makes it too easy most of the time

[raven grove]

I like having more than plenty, and enough pressure to make it difficult anyway.

[fluid sun]

the struggle for ammo was a little excessive

managed to not die but my team accumulated about 60 downs

[woeful bolt]

Lol damn

[fluid sun]

Yeah

At least they stood to the very end

Unlike the previous random leaf lovers that left simply because they were downed at stage 1

Thunderhead with splintering shells and bulldog six shooter did it for me

[cobalt heart]

Is Nitra in a deep dive randomly spawned or is it always in the same places?

[fluid sun]

The stage remains the same for a week

It resets and changed every Thursday

[cobalt heart]

yeah but morkite is randomized

so is nitra also randomized?

since it's a mineral?

[fluid sun]

Wdym

Everything is the same for a week

[cobalt heart]

even the mineral locations?

[fluid sun]

Yeah

[cobalt heart]

huh ok

[trail bone]

what about crates/helmets and krassus?

are they the same for every match?

[void moss]

I don't think there's random event on deep dives

Like there's isnt mineral except gold and nitra, i don't think there's gonna be crates

[trail bone]

That makes sense

[hollow geyser]

The quote under the elite deep dive says "This is the kind of place they say we lost Karl." and I believe them.

[fluid sun]

I'm sure many lost their will after this EDD

Four people rage quitting on me across two attempts

[radiant obsidian]

elves tbh

[opaque zealot]

probably this dive is easier solo. you get all the ammo for yourself

[fluid sun]

I say duo

Scout + Gunner/Driller maybe

[feral atlas]

EDD was unremarkable: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1744563034496075265/2F22A3F838AFA563980235770B83CE2A9FCDF24F/

[raven grove]

I dunno, I feel like 11 downs is pretty remarkable.

[fluid sun]

^

[feral atlas]

The engi was bad.

That's pretty unremarkable.

[dreamy dragon]

Nah i think you hate him

0 revives scout

maybe teamkilled him even?

[feral atlas]

With 2 gunners I expect them to be the meds. And I was being perma aggro'd by all the dreads and the ghost it seems.

Difficult to revive while being aggro'd if you don't have the shield.

And iirc, a good chunk of his downs were just falling off zips, walking off cliffs, or walking into the ghost. I just kinda tuned it out after a while.

Nitra was actually relatively scarce compared to previous dives, so I mainly mined and let the gunners revive him after his mishaps. It was a better use of my time.

[dreamy dragon]

I hear nitra being scarce quite often during hollow bogus deep dives

[feral atlas]

It isn't.

What's actually happening is that the terrain in Hollow is very uneven and seems to not reflect light well, which hides veins better and punishes people that don't pay attention. And the biome was introduced somewhat close to the change that reduced EDD nitra gen by 15%.

[opaque zealot]

yep, much easier solo https://ibb.co/GPLnL2n

[feral atlas]

The actual amount of nitra present on the map is not significantly different from other maps.

[chrome quiver]

Not easier solo, bosco doesn’t have enough revives to get me through even the first stage

[feral atlas]

ehhh

[opaque zealot]

I almost died on the third one

[feral atlas]

Solo is not always easier, but definitely more consistent

Basically, if you're good enough to not be a team liability in pub EDD (assuming you aren't a scout one trick), you can nearly always beat it solo.

[chrome quiver]

I’m a liability

[feral atlas]

Gonna have to test your luck then, or find buddies.

[chrome quiver]

Or try once and if it fails, don’t go back so I don’t waste more people’s time

[opaque zealot]

what class are you playing?

[feral atlas]

Find a good team, ask to play scout. As long as you mine and light adequately, the rest shouldn't matter to a decent team.

[chrome quiver]

Don’t have scout promoted yet

[feral atlas]

concern

[chrome quiver]

He’s only like uh 23 or 24

I main gunner, but play a lot of driller too

[feral atlas]

Driller's the next best to scout in terms of not being required to clutch or perform if the rest of the team is good.

If you're familiar with TF2 Mann versus Machine on expert, it's sorta the same thing. The guy with the aimbot and burst AoE matters. The guy with the good sustained single target matters. The rest of the team are less important in terms of if they actually perform at a high level.

If you're not aware, MvM is basically TF2's horde mode, and the standard meta loadout for 6 man teams on expert is basically the equivalent of engi, 3 gunners, the engi but actually his secondary, and 1 scout

so the aimbot, the 3 sustained single target dps, the burst AoE, and the resource slave/debuffer

[opaque zealot]

well, in this particular dive there was a lot of pressure on the scout. We had a legendary scout, but got wiped on stage 2 because we ran out of ammo

[feral atlas]

scout though has a really low bar to pass for minimum effectiveness if he listens

[opaque zealot]

finding ammo in all of the nooks and crannies is not really a low bar)

[feral atlas]

even if he has the tunnel vision equivalent of looking through the center of a toilet paper roll, he can be instructed and will perform minimally well if the rest of the team is good

it's easy to micromanage him, essentially as long as the player cooperates

if he flares at the ping'ed spot when asked, any other player can used their eyes and ping for the scout

it's not that scout doesn't have an important job, but rather a significant amount of the job is composed of awareness which can be substituted by the awareness of the rest of the team

especailly because most of his work is done during down times, where you're not under significant pressure to clutch or else you die

engi and gunner, depending on the situation, have a number of important tasks that simply cannot be taught very quickly and is difficult to adequately micromanage by the rest of the team

[opaque zealot]

you mean fortifying and shielding?

ah, no, fortifying can be micromanaged

[feral atlas]

that, and when to use utility or mag dump

like, how do you teach a new player how to properly position or rev jump as gunner?

or how to not place the sentry is a stupid spot?

or the correct situations to place panic mines or lures?

the other issue is that there are a ton of ways to make dumb, borderline useless engi and gunner loadouts

scout with even the worst weapons can still mine

place an engi with something dumb like mkII hawkeye, a tazer stubby he doesn't know how to use, and a hyper prop he can't properly aim

and he's actually worthless

[opaque zealot]

i managed to make useless driller and had to learn how to play him, to beat dreads on a previous elite dive.
but I understoood what you mean

[feral atlas]

driller's kit is a bit more forgiving

since both primaries are stream based AoE weapons with inherent incapacitation status effects that you can easily spam

in a good team really, as long as he pops the swarmers and stock grunts, he's passible

and digs in the instructed directions and at the instructed times

and so far, I don't think there is a way to make driller's primaries bad at killing the squishies, outside of a cryo that isn't running ice storm and also not running shatter

[opaque zealot]

well, it's dreads that were bothering me. Killing swarmers with a driller is easy, true. For dreads I had to tinker with loadout and finally learn to use satchels (without killing myself)

[feral atlas]

Killing dreads is something where if your gunner is garbage, you will feel it

[woven kayak]

whats the current DD lookin like? gonna jump in tmr and i wanna know what to expect

[feral atlas]

See pins

[woven kayak]

ah, thank you, didnt notice

[feral atlas]

Difficult dread fights are made torturous if the guy with the shield can’t use it properly

[dreamy dragon]

simple scout magic

zip zip bang bang

[chrome quiver]

Hey I know how to use my shield

[dreamy dragon]

whodnought?

[chrome quiver]

Though I think I only used my shield once this deep dive oops

So maybe I don’t know how to use my shield

[feral atlas]

Or didn’t have to

[chrome quiver]

Yeah that’s the real reason

We didn’t have a problem at all

[uncut raptor]

i'm not looking forward to doing this edd tbh

[river pawn]

this week’s a bit painful

the first stage takes so, so fucking long

and then you just get killed instantly by stage 2

[shadow shoal]

Sounds like a fun one finally!

[river pawn]

and i was so close to finally getting every weapon OC too 😔

guess i’ll just wait for thursday

[chrome quiver]

Finishing stage 2 is more important than finishing the whole dive

[river pawn]

yeah

[vapid roost]

Honestly we didn't do too bad. But there was two of us so def easier.
2nd stage opening was a nightmare but after that it wasn't so bad
Clear time was fairly long 1:18 with 1 wipe on stage 1
Loved it tho felt like the perfect challenge

[forest temple]

I have always deliberately avoided hosts with level limits. But the greenbeards jumping into this week's EDD have sorely tested my patience

It's less the ignorance than the absolutely certainty that everyone else is a moron for calling out their blunders

[elfin falcon]

You can do it 💪💪💪

Edd was painful but I had a decent time doing the DD with random greenbeards

[copper summit]

how hard is this week's edd?

[copper summit]

lies

[quick glacier]

Second stage is a hell room spawn, gunner put down a shield immediately but 2 people still died. Just don't piss of the 3 sleeping spitters and it's manageable though

[bronze pecan]

mate its a solid 9/10 on the difficulty scale, not enough nitra for sure and impossible with randoms

not funny at all, especially concidering the nearly inexistant reward for completing a edd

[wet shale]

I mean, a glyphid welcome party isn't uncommon, but the unavoidable three-stories drop upon exiting the pod is a bit foul.

[tulip idol]

I played with two 200ms ping players and one lvl25 player (gunner), they did fine, but in the end we almost got in time to go back to the root cave and break the last cocoon after finishing main objective... swarm spawned in and we had ammo just for it and that's all. I broke cocoon anyways and we died as expected, though we did some dmg to twins before it

have to bring ammo builds here

[radiant granite]

definitely not impossible with randoms

hard tho

my randoms all had 9 or more downs so it definitely would not hurt to find a group lol

[severe tusk]

I only play with randoms, so we'll see if I can beat it or not.

[thorny geyser]

same

[burnt sandal]

I only play with randoms and it's been a long time since I had to do an EDD multiple time to succeed

those weren't very experimented either so that's nice

[digital viper]

Carry me senpai

[burnt sandal]

?

[digital viper]

If you never have to redo EDDs with randos I assume you can carry hard, was just a joke.

[dreamy dragon]

carry him right now, senpai

[burnt sandal]

alright lol

[violet mantle]

what is this weeks deep dive missions?

[dreamy dragon]

check pins my lad

[random path]

i would like tougher edd

[violet mantle]

im bringing in my dreadnaught slaying machine this week

aka hyper propellant

[random path]

[wraith shard]

drg is literally a troll fest

i got downed by a fuckin dumbass last second of the deep dive

[radiant obsidian]

Demonstrably untrue

[unreal talon]

I did the EDD two man. I went gunner and the rando went Scout. Scout grabbed all the eggs and was lighting up the room very well so I could paint the walls with my NTP AC. Good times

[dreamy dragon]

Uh huh

So all you huh

What with the dread fights?

[steep yacht]

ugh i hate haunted cave so much

[uncut raptor]

holy shit you lot weren't kidding about stage 2

jfc

[steep yacht]

The start is rediculous

[uncut raptor]

yep