i just noticed there's a green bar on the gun when you are charging it
#deep-dive-discussion
desert tangle
scarlet willow
id recommend trying to be parallel to the ore vein when you do it
gives you more wiggle room with the timing
high vigil
I don't even use it for mining, it's a mactera crusher.
Very good for this elite deep dive.
Though still nice to have a breech cutter engi
warm light
I'm officially giving up on randoms for this week's EDD
This is now the third time no one has listened to me about the mactera plague
they all split off and die
supple quarry
That's probably the best message I could read to begin a day with, since I joined this server. 
tawdry quest
It was very satisfying indeed
white marten
Justice has been delivered
copper summit
Do you do dd or edd 1st?
Also is what happens if you leave someone during 1st or 2nd stage of deep dive?
supple quarry
I do EDD first
He will continue without you, people can't join ongoing DDs
And you will have to redo it from the start from your side
leaden cypress
Do you do dd or edd 1st?
EDD first
copper summit
He will continue without you, people can't join ongoing DDs
And you will have to...
I mean if someone dies and isn't revived before leaving
Does he get revived at the start on next stage?
supple quarry
Yup he will be alive with the amount of health you get when you are revived I guess
forest temple
Stage 3 dread, 1 sentinel spawns God knows where and we're fighting mactera while trying to find him. Gunner had quit on last stage and we ended up having to go to the tiny tunnels at the bottom to find it, at which point the mactera and hiveguard chewed us up since there was no space to move. In conclusion, I hate mactera and that gunner.
They really need to tweak sentinel spawn/behavior. Too often one ends up hidden away and never comes to the fight.
quiet wyvern
Yea I failed this dive twice now, both duo and full group, I'm not sure if I'll attempt it again đ
That stupid generation on stage 3, along with broken sentinal spawns, try again? Yea right, maybe after sentinal spawns get Fixed!
leaden lynx
First dd what do I do 
obsidian lion
Deep dives are just 3 normal missions back to back but wide missions are replaced with main missions and the ammo, health, and nitra do not reset after leaving the mission
little cove
First dd what do I do <:Sconk:767874469771214859>
Mine minerals. Kill bugs. Drink beer.
white marten
First dd what do I do <:Sconk:767874469771214859>
Play it like any other mission I guess, just know that your ressources are kept throughout the entire dd ( health, nitra, gold, ammo etc ... ). That's about it.
supple quarry
Note that there isn't any crafting minerals to collect, no machine events, no crate, no lost helmet ...
All you have to care is to proceed with your primary objectives.
If you're able to get through Hazard 3 missions, then you're good to go without worries
static skiff
What are the stages for this weeks EDD
worldly oracle
What are the stages for this weeks EDD
it's in the pins
static skiff
oh thats nice
winged elm
The first stage of the dd was just weird
All of the eggs and mules just clumped together
finite vigil
someone please tell me that random swarms don't start till we trigger the dread in stage 3 of the EDD...
outer fiber
đł đ đ
short charm
Doho, stage 2 is pretty brutal this time aroun. 2 tries so far. Sadly, on the second try two teamates did things all wrong... Dug around a perfectly level area near the uplink, turning into uneven chaos. Engi made a ceiling around it, reducing our weapon range to beloiw 50%.
Its time for attempt #3.
Need a 4th player though.
dim gorge
Just finished an EDD with a friend. Stage 2 is definitely the most brutal one. 3rd is fine, just had to lure Hiveguard into the next chamber that has better layout and then it's all pretty straightforward
tawdry quest
Platform ceiling works fine for mactera plague because it shields you from mactera flying overhead, and it forces the mactera to fly down to your level
It's kind of like a bunker that isn't also a potential deathtrap
Unless the engi makes the ceiling too low, that is
Which might have been what happened in your game
digital elk
doing it with randoms was pretty challanging for this EDD
was definitely challenging
but at least no escort lol
short charm
3rd try was a fail, which is nice. I like that this one is a proper challenge. I tried both cryo and fear builds, but I ended up having to carry for the 1-2 star people and that didnt work out. 2nd try was as far as we got.
To be fair, since its Friday I had a beer, a bit of fireball and gin, so they had to contend with drunk me. But the stats dont lie.
outer fiber
wait, you guys drink ?
errant forum
Wait, you don't?
scarlet jewel
Are you really a dwarf then
short charm
I drink out of game, and in the game. At least on Fridays. Guily pleasure and all that.
Drunk Rock Galactic is a lot of fun. Usually works out, but the stage 2 of this one.. Oh boy, its both frequent and stupid. Normal mactera? Pfffff. Try hards and grundles? Tons and TONS of those.
outer fiber
Brundles are less annoying since I learned you could actually shoot them in the mouth for normal damages
short charm
That's good to know, I always aim for the belly. With that said, this week would've been easier if people were just more used to dealing with mactera. All 3 attempts, I played with people with 1-2 bronze stars for the classes they chose to do this with. Not that I blame them, the EDD is supposed to be hard. I'll have another go some other time-
outer fiber
I think mactera plague is the mutator where your build matter the most
people that come without any gear to deal will them will get fucked pretty hard imo
might be what happened to your teammates
Like, an engi without triple line breach cutter, a scout without cryo grenade
short charm
I went in with both cryo to insta-delete swarms and also Precision Terror on the M1000. But if you have teamates that dont know about this, then it doesnt matter. The swarms spawn frequently so there is very little room for error.
Probaby wouldve made it on the 2nd attempt, if the engi hadnt made a low ceiling above the uplink. I hate those. You basically completely shut down half of the weapons with that. I cant light up the room, gunner cant bombard stuff from a distance wit hthe thunderhead, I cant snipe priority targets etc. Its just a bad bad idea.
short charm
Dont know. I guess its just something inexperienced players do. Imo, open space rules. The more bugs we can eliminate before they reach us, the better.
Yes, mactera dive in pretty fast, but with the right loadout, you can deal with them no problem. Anyways, it is what it is. I like that this one is challenging, gonna try again after the weekend.
idle warren
To be fair, since its Friday I had a beer, a bit of fireball and gin, so they ha...
I'M DRUNK, YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXCUSE
I'M A BLACK SCOTTISH CYCLOPS
THEY GOT MORE *********** ******** ***** * ******** ********************************** THAN THEY GOT THE LIKES OF ME
Anyway yeah I am not looking forward to stage2
Imagine the coming double-warnings
Shield Disruption Mactera swarm
you are taking every piece of that acid damage
short charm
Double warnings dont apply to deep dives, sadly. I want them to, but that aint happening. And yes, I am, or was drunk, and had the most kills, revives and minerals mined. Im level 600, the people I played with were all below 50.
I dont think it wouldve made a difference in this case, if I hadnt gone for a couple or drinks. Stage 2 was just pure chaos, as soon as every player dropped into the main room. On round 3, the last two players alive were both in the tubular hole on the opposide end of the room from the drop pod, one spent his Iron Will to reivive the other, but when youre surrounded by mactera in a pit, it doesnt matter, youre going down. Expect stage 2 to be pretty rough. đ I do like it though, I'm not complaining, the game is at its best when youve tough missions like these ahead of you.
warm light
Man, that mactera plague really filters people
idle warren
you know cockroaches
ugly bastard but you just kill it and move on
but when you see a cockroach start flying...
thorny geyser
I got EDD done with greenbeard friends and double scouts, feels rock and stone man
wraith shard
That is good I got my ass handed with some randoms in mission 2 when we got carped bombed.
Those things came out of nowhere and before I could turn around the whole team was down.
Like WiseDuck wrote in a pit you are gone for good. I think you also need to be lucky with your seed or do all deep dives get the same one?
copper warren
All deep dives are the same
wraith shard
Good to know. When you have clues on the terrain from failure you can adapt.
sturdy anchor
Gonna play with my crew tonight! Canât wait to dive in!
burnt sandal
Gonna play with my crew tonight! Canât wait to dive in!
good luck
sturdy anchor
Thx!
glacial harness
My character said to torch a swarmer tunnel. Does that actually do anything?
sturdy anchor
I usually play scout but my teammate will activate the swarmers then use a flamethrower to kill em all
old widget
C4 (ideally with rock mover) also works nicely
grim fjord
Just beat the deep dive dotty mission without healing her once
lost one plate to a bulk and then like 50% of the other one
thorny geyser
elite deep dive had some icky moments, like screen being filled with trijaws and bulk detonator popping the hiveguard cocoon
mental herald
I now how you feel, I had a driller on my team that said he was actually high, we got 3 bulks on the last stage while fighting the hiveguard in some of the worst tunnels ever
Only regret was not recording it
we turned that place into a nuclear warzone
also of note, our scout had more kills than the driller that mission
dense pond
How's the Elite Deep Dive for this week?
errant forum
Stage 2 is the hardest. Stage 3 seems to have a tendency of spawning a bulk in tge dread room. My team also had one.
copper warren
lure it into the tunnel nearby to detonate like the devs did
dim gorge
Stage 1 is very straightforward, nothing to add really. Stage 2 is indeed the hardest. I'd say clear initial spawns, make some quick preparations and fight the dreads first since I feel like they're probably the hardest part of this stage. On stage 3 I found it better to run into the next chamber after popping the egg and just let Hiveguard to dig its way to it. IMO that next room is much better for this fight, just gotta clear a couple of roots and you're good to go.
tawdry quest
Something to keep in mind is that swarms can spawn during the hiveguard fight on stage 3, because for some reason secondary objective boss fights ignore the âswarms canât spawn during dreadnoughtsâ rule
(Devs must have forgotten to add a no swarms flag or something in the code)
Hiveguards take a while to kill, so youâll usually get a swarm during the final cycle of the hiveguard fight
Just keep that in mind
If youâre supremely unlucky, you might even get a second boss fight!
Someone in here posted a picture of a double hiveguard fight the other day
Honestly? Iâd take that over a swarm any day
Far more controllable, especially because hiveguards are slow
dim gorge
Yeah, had a swarm during the fight myself. Made things much more cluttered but still pulled it off. Had to kite stuff for some time with some grenade tossing on the go
little cove
Bulk spawns are a dread skip, thankfully.
finite vigil
Something to keep in mind is that swarms can spawn during the hiveguard fight on...
best strategy is to wait till the next swarm starts up, and once that's done pop the cocoon
scarlet willow
takes too long best strat is just to grip it and rip it
outer fiber
best strategy is to wait till the next swarm starts up, and once that's done pop...
that's what I do too, it's the safest when you're not as good as speights or MefyTwa at this game 
thick ridge
broken juniper
Hey guys, quick question. Aren't all deep dives the same seed?
I logged into the Elite Deep Dive a day or two ago (the one with mactera plague and the mules - stage 2) and failed a couple of times
Yet today the map had changed on the same Elite Deep Dive - Stage 2
How is this?
leaden cypress
the maps don't change, the swarms do & the drop pod location do too
Also the starting monsters are always the same iirc
broken juniper
That is what I know as well, but the Stage 2 of the EDD was totally different. The mules spawned right in front of us
So it was some kind of bug then?
copper warren
So the reason that swarms can spawn during the dread fight is that it's the second objective.
Spaghetti code something something
outer fiber
No one reporting the bug something something
weak dune
Double warnings dont apply to deep dives, sadly. I want them to, but that aint h...
let's create DD+ and EDD+
broken juniper
Double warnings dont apply to deep dives, sadly. I want them to, but that aint h...
Why not let us choose? Some of us definitely want the double warning for EDD. As a matter of fact, when it comes to EXTRA and NEGATIVE modifiers, why not just always let us choose?
What I mean is to be able to choose a negative modifier on top of the one randomized for each mission.
That way, randomization won't be hurt, you can't choose your way out of missions.
round flare
If youâre supremely unlucky, you might even get a second boss fight!
this happened to me not even 20 seconds after we killed the hiveguard on stage 3
leaden cypress
same but that was the opposite
we got the twins 20/30s before fighting hiveguard đł
tawdry quest
If your group is fast enough, the swarm will usually show up on the final cycle of the hiveguard fight anyway
So you can finish it off quickly and then fight the swarm
quiet wyvern
long as the cave don't get busted up too badly, last time i tried it with a group, the cave area was so bad after we finished the hiveguard, a swarm came seconds after, which left us with no time to prepare, and not as much good terrain to run on, so we ended up overrun and lost
i did beat it last night with my friend tho, it was just with the group that was bad, ugh
vital grail
wuts this deep dive like i havent played it yet since nojne of my friends are on
but i would like to know wut the map is like and the cave generation and how much nitra there is
half hill
Maps are pretty easy this easy this week
Nitra was plentiful on both
EDD stage 2 was the hardest but nothing to hard
pastel wasp
Like, an engi without triple line breach cutter, a scout without cryo grenade
The lingering field is better at keeping an area clear, great for the parasites and swarmers on mission 3, especially with turrets being aimbots against mactera
pastel wasp
Why not let us choose? Some of us definitely want the double warning for EDD. As...
I often have trouble finding full groups for DD/EDD with good ping, splintering the playerbase just gunna make that worse
thick lichen
Me and the boys have been doing the edd with 4x scouts for fun lol
We picked the wrong week to do it, 3 hold out sections in this weeks EDD
thick lichen
It was. We almost made it but died at the last second it was rough.
Had to pack it in cuz it was getting late, I hate logging off for the night knowing we werent able to complete the EDD lmfao.
pastel wasp
yeah right? it's in the back of my mind some weeks that I haven't beat this weeks yet
thick lichen
IKR
pastel wasp
stayed up til 5am last night fixing that one
thick lichen
I think my one friend snapped but I know the other 2 are down to go at it again tomorrow.
We will win through sheer WILLPOWER.
Because we're dwarves 
I will say besides failing I enjoyed the run, 4x scouts being forced to play like gunners and stay in secure zones is a good challenge and really intense.
It made for some of my favorite and most intense moments in recent gaming memory, like when we fought tooth and fucking nail up the drop pod ramp helping eachother up cuz no dwarf left behind.
I really hope they add a toggle for double warning on EDDs for us masochists.
pastel wasp
oh god no, hard enough for me to find a group as is
lucid trellis
I just rely on randoms all the time
since I have no friends that are dedicated to any of my games
strange zinc
hey need 3 for elite deep dive. Australian host
short charm
Lol, just went into a lobby that said "60+", host was at 70. Some dude that was at level 58 joined, we all had our beers, then the host kicked the guy. I left too.
I'll just spend the next 5-10 mins waiting for a full team on my own server I think.
fringe kettle
good choice
half hill
Absolute state of XX+ gamer
outer fiber
Lol, just went into a lobby that said "60+", host was at 70. Some dude that was ...
what an absolute idiot
he knows how it is to be kicked for his level and yet he does that to others too, probably augmenting the requirement as he levels up himself
dude your message literally triggered me
why did you even join a lobby with requirement to begin with
those people do NOT deserve to be carried
don't join them
don't carry them
short charm
Yeah I thought it was kinda funny how close the level was to his own. Also, the level 58 dude? Those two additional levels could literally be a single double XP mission on a low level class, but apparently that makes all the difference.
I typically don't join servers with arbitrary level requirements and such, I host my own games 99% of the time. It took a while to get players for my EDD run, so I joined that guys game, but then left it and decided to just wait for as long as needed to get 4 players.
sand coyote
This is known as "I can't play so you will have to carry" lobby
There's already garanteed one green beard
hazy comet
i dont join any lobby with gatekeeping as a general rule
its guaranteed the host is toxic
fresh escarp
Gatekeeping?
fresh escarp
Ah that's stupid
golden sigil
@_@) Gonna have nightmares about mactera after trying this week's edd...
fresh escarp
Imma use burning gunner for this EDD
Except imma use elephant rounds instead of volatile rounds
sand coyote
Anti-synergy
Use a thin drum wall lighter build instead for 100% hot bullet uptime
Become drillern't
cobalt cliff
about what hazard level is he elite?
cobalt cliff
dang, not ready for that yet
leaden cypress
If you can handle Haz5 without any issue, you should be fine on EDD
half hill
You should try it at the very least
pulling it off after a grueling time is satisfying
leaden cypress
Not to mention some elite deep dives are extremely easy compared to others
cobalt cliff
never done haz 5 before and i have no over clocks for the class I play so idk hgow it would go
fallen axle
Hi all! Strange thing in second mission EDD. A lot problems with falling in to textures. One time we lose because one team member fall in to texture hell)) Two time scout stuck in textures but hook helps to release. Wtf? Anybody have same problems? Looks like this problem more often appears and not only in edd.
half hill
never done haz 5 before and i have no over clocks for the class I play so idk hg...
What class do you play?
cobalt cliff
driller
half hill
You can still do fine work, though Overclock would make it a tad easier
this week's EDD wasn't too hard so Im sure you could manage
Aside from stage 2 with Mactera's from hell
the way I see it
it'llnever hurt to try
cobalt cliff
alright ill try it then
frail zodiac
Lol, just went into a lobby that said "60+", host was at 70. Some dude that was ...
should've bought the host a round of leaf lovers
half hill
You also only need to reach the second stage for a gun Overclock
so if you lose on Stage3
its not too bad
untold siren
honestly besides the mactera plague the biggest killer for this week edd are people disconnecting
well, i had a few groups die the first two stages but the first time i did the edd we actually did it and 3 people army (no driller iirc)
last time i tried to help out finally got through stage 2 through my numerous revives but then engi disappeared
went almost well until we did the dreadnought last and got swarmed in the middle of it
tpk
there arent swarms in dreadnought missions normally so i dont understnad how the hell can swarms spawn IN THE MIDDLE of a dreadnought fight during dives
i think its fine if they spawn before but it should just not be possible during dreadnought fights
because then we would just not start it
old widget
Itâs a rough combo for sure, but I think this game is best when everything goes to hell in unexpected ways
Especially in the EDD where youâre gonna get slapped around a bit anyway
If you fail because of the curveball, fair play, it was a rough curveball. If you clutch and pull it off, the brain gives so many happy chemicals
untold siren
true
drifting pulsar
If you fail because of the curveball, fair play, it was a rough curveball. If yo...
This. Especially when the party gets wiped out but you suddenly pulled off an Iron Will play to the drop pod and you saved the EDD.
outer fiber
there arent swarms in dreadnought missions normally so i dont understnad how the...
that's only true when Elimination is the primary objective
at least you know now
untold siren
i guess i just mean its not very consistent to prevent swarms during elimination because of how bad it can be if it turns up during a dreadnought fight
and then just bypass that idea for deep dives
outer fiber
ye it might get patched if it's not intentional
but no one reported it on Jira
so it's unlikely
devs might be aware though since they're doing deep dives too
did you manage to clear the deep dive anyway ?
untold siren
the first attempt actually
i just keep coming back at it because its more fun than solo h5 and because i wanna be helpful but this hasnt gone so well tbh
lost every single time since that first attemp
t
outer fiber
you can do h5 with people too
untold siren
i prefer the edd because theyre longer and usually harder than 3 h5 missions in a row with the mutators and conservation of ammo health and nitra and its allows me to have the same group for the 3 missions
instead of people always disbanding after 1
untold siren
got all of my overclocks of the week and no blank core and more or less nothing to buy
idk, edds are harder and hard enough to stay interesting redoing again aagain
grim bone
anyone gonna be running/hosting EDD?
wheat socket
idk
i did it today with 3 others
we died in the last mission stupidly
and i have ptsd from the second
grim bone
F
grim bone
though the first 2 are the main important ones, cores :p
grim bone
usually scout it replaced with an extra gunner etc
untold siren
usually scout it replaced with an extra gunner etc
blasphemy
grim bone
or could even be engineer.. but extra dps is defo a must
wheat socket
i mean there were a lot minerals to be mined at heights
and light also helped
but against the swarms of macteras
a scout was just dead weight
from my exp today
i feel like this edd needs 2 gunners
untold siren
i dont know what kinda scouts you get in your games for them to underperform against macteras when it should be one of the fields scout is good at
untold siren
cryo grenades
untold siren
im aware
grim bone
maybe the max damage flamethrower might work better or?
wheat socket
could be
i think with the difficulty
it might synergize better
freeze worked
but it took a bit too much time
for the macteras
untold siren
but when i failed at the 3rd mission the most recently i had barely less kills than gunner and driller, more minerals mined, 10 whole revive and 4 downs and i basically spent stage2 rezing people while kiting the macteras since both primaries are really good at killing them and when i had the chance throwing cryo into the swarm and 10 of them dropping dead on the ground
wheat socket
iron will came in clutch
untold siren
idk, maybe i just have bad teams and relatively do better
wheat socket
in the second mission
but in the last mission
we all sorta threw
one shot the dread egg
when we werent all quite ready
was a bit of a fiesta
outer fiber
I've had literally 0 issue against macteras with cryo grenades
wheat socket
yeah
cryo nades
are the best tool vs them
i believe
because they also spawn so close to one another
manic pivotBOT
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outer fiber
if you're willing to replace a scout by a 2nd gunner, you're sabotaging yourself to me
it's easier when having 1 scout instead of a class duplicate
that's the choices I would make at least
especially in a deep with with 2 dreads
and macteras
wheat socket
depends on the dread
outer fiber
no
wheat socket
scout is really good vs hive guard though
grim bone
can depend of the skill, available overclocks, etc etc...
sometimes a different class can most certainly be making a bigger difference
untold siren
i guess the issue is that a lot of people think scout should be the first class to go because it has less raw firepower than the others
but having light literally everywhere is much more useful than you'd think in literally all situations
grim bone
nah, can be any class that doesn't add the necessary dps etc for whatever reason...
scout, engineer, heck even gunner or driller if the player lacks the necessary things to bring to the mission on said classes
grim bone
but having light literally everywhere is much more useful than you'd think in li...
dunno, the basic flare does well enough in a way, and i don't have my brightness set down to some really low level, nor increased to see better
it defo helps for sure, but idk...
just for the light itself, i'd rather have more things to kill bugs with rather than light when for me flares can do fine
guess brightness etc is a bit different for everyone..
like some REEE they can't see facehuggers (leeches) without a scout flare, yet they're really easy to see on the ceiling for me shrug
or at least not impossible to spot for me :p
untold siren
weird
normally leeches dont produce any light except when they reach out to you so i dunno how do you even see them in the dark
spitters do have some subtle colored armor shiny thing in the dark but even then
also tbh one thing that i consider is the compensation of lower direct dps for scout is the ability to spawnkill wardens that could have made most enemies much harder to kill off for the whole team
grim bone
yea the leeches defo light up, but i have noticed there's still a slight glow or something that still makes them stand out from the ceiling...
maybe some graphic setting? no clue...
untold siren
same goes for stationary threats like nexuses spitballers breeders and to some extent grabbers
the mobility and accuracy gives the opportunity to not let the special enemies actually matter
i also play a bit of a field medic role
grim bone
true
but yea it can depend on a bunch a different things on the player's side, and then also on what the week's EDD decides to throw at players (biome, map layout, bug spawns etc)
untold siren
i just kinda think its reductive to think of the scout as a loss of dps ithout considering the gain of utility and support
typically i won the first attempt for the edd and the driller just disappeared during stage 2
which is held up as "godlike" in the game atm for some people yet we did it with engi gunner and scout
grim bone
well it's not just the scout specifically, nor necessarily a loss of dps at all...
it just depends on many things;
-loadout, player skill, etc, to just sum up many things quickly
grim bone
which is held up as "godlike" in the game atm for some people yet we did it with...
yea true, we had someone leave or d/c during the 2nd stage last week, yet we still managed it fine/easily
untold siren
i actually think scout would in fact be the worst class to double up but that also is not to be ditched away in favor of another duplicate
because his utility doesnt scale
barely
to the contrary of more dps
ill be honest while the shield generator is great i dont really like the gunner because he can only do one thing, combat and with fewer options for crowd control effects
losing the engineer would be a pain if you keep a scout though
idrk who you'd play without tbh
grim bone
that's a bit of personal experience, knowledge etc though...
there's many that don't know how-to scout, etc etc
untold siren
i tend to just stick to the normal configs
grim bone
yea in general it should work perfectly fine..
but something always finds a way to be a gremlin... :p
untold siren
idk, the fire/freeze from the driller are really good against the macteras sooo
well, that is if you use longer range instead of cold radiance
idk if im making much sense atm except arguing both against duplicates and wondering if it would work actually
tbh i was mostly arguing against removing scout if you had to choose
for this edd
grim bone
shrug
we had a run where a scout or engineer wasn't working before, then we got an extra gunner or driller and it worked out fine...
each EDD run is different
half hill
Sometime its the wrong class
sometime its the wrong guy playing the class
hearty spruce
Whatâs the best gunner load out for elimination?
hazy comet
gunner CC is really good if you use minigun. the stun is really underrated. if you fan the wave you can stun a lot of bugs and if you use blowthrough most of the wave
@hearty spruce exhaust vectoring minigun
lead spray burst
half hill
The Big Bertha is good fun as well
or the lead spray if you trust your team to keep the ass open
fresh escarp
Burning Hell is better as a generalist build
hazy comet
the question was for eliminations, which burning hell does nothing for
since dreads are basically immune to fire
drifting pulsar
since dreads are basically immune to fire
- they mess up with freeze buildup đŤ
burnt sandal
since dreads are basically immune to fire
dreads are immune to burning*
Burning Hell still adds flat fire damage per second to the weapon.
burnt sandal
The dreadnoughts don't have any resistance to fire, only to heat.
which, with the damage mod on the flamethrower, roughly translate to the damage of base GK2 with kind of a low RoF.
That's not ideal for damage, obviously.
short charm
For this EDD, I think two Scouts would work just fine. I went for M1000 + Minimal Clips + Precision Terror, pure focus build. Boomstick + Jumbo shells, specced to 26 ammo to burst down big targets, cryo grenade. The cryo grenade was essential for stage two and for dealing with the sentinels. I'll tell you what isn't good tho, if you have two Scouts, make sure you dont both go for pheromones. I typically dont communicate with randoms about loadouts, unless Im trying to avoid clashing with fire/cryo, so I never asked what he took. That was one of the first runs we failed, after that I made some serious adjustments to my loadout.
This was definitely an EDD where I felt I had to make some adjustments to my loadout to deal with it. Cryo for mactera and sentinels, huge damage output on primary AND secondary to burst down heavy targets like the dreads, so we dont get a wave mid-fight.
outer fiber
emb dets is bye bye to dreads
you even have to be careful to not deal too much damage at once, or the twins might heal
tawdry quest
For gunner elim, Iâd take Lead Storm (OC) with armor break
The minigunâs stun doesnât do anything to bosses, so losing that isnât a big deal if youâre primarily concerned with shredding dreads
If itâs in an EDD, though, Exhaust Vectoring and More Oomph are also good options to keep your stun for general utility
Armor break is good for elim because the Twins have breakable armor. Blowthrough does nothing unless you fight a mini-swarm in between bosses
In fact, Blowthrough just makes you more likely to hit whoeverâs kiting the dread while you shoot its butt
wraith shard
I think Blowthrough only combines good with Bullet Hell and that isn't a combination you want to have on EDDs since a dead target is a target no to be concerned about (unless it is an exploder or detonator).
grim bone
anyone going for or hosting EDD?
fresh escarp
im running the DD on my 30fps machine heres a successful mission!
supple quarry
Damn, sounds like this EDD is the one of crashes
leaden cypress
f
old widget
At least you got 2/3 matrix cores?
We just skipped phase 3 of normal DD this week. Nobody wanted to do escort for a cosmetic
Which admittedly isnât very Rock and Stone.
Normal DDs are of course pretty chill but this weekâs was like brokenly chill. 3 players taking our time and we had only one swarm per stage.
We also got Huuli Hoarders on both stage 1 and 2, in tunnels where they were very easy to kill.
fresh escarp
I didnt get the credits or xp though...
old widget
fair
they should grant you credits/XP incrementally at end of each DD/EDD stage, even if it's "behind the scenes"
prisma junco
Whatâs the best gunner load out for elimination?
Leadstorm Leadstorm
100%
~40% more DPS than Exhaust Vectoring
shadow shoal
I got smacked on stage 3 with 4 bulks, all in a row once we were at stage 3 of the drill
solemn shale
anyone wants to dds? experienced players pls
half hill
anyone wants to dds? experienced players pls
I can come for the EDD if you haven't done it yet
halcyon nacelle
Why did my DD Drop Pod fall in the middle of the sky for the first round?
half hill
Fun one
solemn shale
yes
acoustic wedge
whats the EDD this week >?\
outer fiber
pinned
reef isle
I completed my first Elite Deep Dive :D
raven grove
Man, second stage EDD this week is nasty
raven grove
Think I might switch off my cryo driller to clean sweep engie for those mactera
Just nonstop mactera
viral tulip
Snowball
raven grove
Ah right, I haven't actually tried snowball out
viral tulip
It's a boon on stage 2
Mactera are dense enough that you can get a whole bunch of them with one snowball shot
finite vigil
yeah, second stage is brutal
if you just stay in the open
best strategy is to make bunkers - annihilated everything that came through
raven grove
I was kitted out for dread hunting with ice storm. That was a mistake.
finite vigil
course, make sure to not be in there if the bulk comes knocking
finite vigil
nice
copper warren
We got unfortunate - double bulk during the twins and during a mact wave
barely won, but we had no ammo left
opal rivet
outer fiber
just finished my first EDD
bonk
lucid trellis
I honestly thought I could use flamethrower to maintain dps on the swarms then I used cryo
If I had it my way I wouldâve played engi but I know bunker was crucial to the second stage
feral atlas
if your engi was competent, bunk would not have been necessary
lucid trellis
But the 3rd stage is honestly the kicker
lucid trellis
if your engi was competent, bunk would not have been necessary
How so?
feral atlas
both engi secondaries have builds that 1 shot non-heavy mactera variants
in an AoE
plus turrets can be built to stun lock them
lucid trellis
He used the 3 lined breach cutter
feral atlas
you end up killing them faster than they can shoot
unborn slate
I did a DD as scout alone
lucid trellis
Not edd right
unborn slate
Yes
lucid trellis
Oh yeah
unborn slate
Just a DD
unborn slate
Although I did run out of ammo on the third stage
lucid trellis
Right at the end we got cocky by not watching our nitra count
And being too inefficient with resups
unborn slate
oof
lucid trellis
We literally
Just killed the hiveguard
And the swarm comes in with a bulk
Everyone was extremely low
unborn slate
I ran out of ammo as a bulk spawned
lucid trellis
It wasnât even the bulk that killed us tbh
The sheer number of grunts made it so we could barely move
And all of us kept accidentally hitting each other in the chaos
unborn slate
dose not sound fun
lucid trellis
We all had iron will but we split up near the end trying to get to the resups we left behind
unborn slate
I had to resupply with a bulk chasing me
lucid trellis
It was painful
Iâm contemplating whether or not it was a good idea running neuro
Cause the swarms were massive
unborn slate
Nuero
unborn slate
Ohhhhh
lucid trellis
That helped a lot but the gunner ran hot bullets
unborn slate
Axe is better tbh
unborn slate
It has a small amount of aoe last I checked
lucid trellis
Iâd rather just have the safe zone of mustard gad
unborn slate
Hmm ok
lucid trellis
I shouldâve just spammed it when the swarm arrived aa
unborn slate
I am only level 46 after all
lucid trellis
Iâm level 97
unborn slate
Noice
lucid trellis
It wouldâve been better if the gunner ran carpet bomber thunder though
I did try it in edd
unborn slate
I see
lucid trellis
It wasnât too effective especially near the end
Since itâs not big bois that Iâm worried abiut
unborn slate
Incindearies are pretty good
lucid trellis
Shoulda used incendiary or cluster
unborn slate
Yea
lucid trellis
Sticky is good for the elims
But on edd where a swarm can appear in the middle of a dread fight
Not good
unborn slate
I mean I use slowdown on scout
lucid trellis
Yeah itâs good for certain missions
But the second stage you really wanna run cryo
unborn slate
Yes
lucid trellis
I donât think I ever saw my scout use the grenade against the mactera swarm
unborn slate
I only use the stock grenades on driller and scout
lucid trellis
Ah ok
unborn slate
I should start using cyro
lucid trellis
Ugh edd is damn brutal, idk how I should spec my driller next time
I used both flame and cryo
unborn slate
Cyro grenades
unborn slate
Use ethier ice spear or ice storm
lucid trellis
I could just get a team that takes over the stuff I canât do
unborn slate
I forget what it was called
lucid trellis
I have ice spear
unborn slate
Ok
lucid trellis
It doesnât do much for me
unborn slate
I forgot what it was called
unborn slate
The direct damage bounus
That reduces freezing power
It was called blizzard or something
unborn slate
No increased damage
Ice storm
It's called ice storm
Reduced tank capacity, reduced freezing power, increases in damage
old widget
Yeah, I ran that on my driller in the EDD this week, worked well
Only downside is I ended up murdering grunt packs outright rather than freezing for a vampire drill-through
So vamp was a little harder to use
Little worse ammo economy too, but plenty of nitra
And great for dreads
(Assuming someone else has the aggro)
heavy girder
if i just wanna do the 1st level asap, what's the strat/things i should look out for
other than leeches ofc
half hill
There's a ledge around the middle we're a leech can horizontal grab
hearty mason
tips for day 3?
leaden cypress
regular DD or elite ?
shrewd belfry
4 bulk dets ? 4 ? FOUR ? In one stage ? Including a doublie spawn ? You serious game ? FFS
hearty mason
regular DD or elite ?
elite sry
hearty mason
4 bulk dets ? 4 ? FOUR ? In one stage ? Including a doublie spawn ? You serious ...
you'll laugh at it soon enough
shrewd belfry
elite sry
Elite
4 in one stage is unheard of in my playing history
And it's not fun
hearty mason
tragic and comedy compliment each other
shrewd belfry
needless to say the 4th one wiped us
shrewd belfry
Mactera plague
Who came up with that
I wanna die
I'd be OK with that if it was mostly spawn
But getting 5 tri jaw every 30 seconds is annoying
pastel wasp
A double spawn is better. Less pleb enemies spawn in while you bring the dets together to blow each other up
odd comet
I think my personal best was 5 bulks in a single mission. It was an escort, of course
quiet wyvern
dang 5 bulks on an escort, that's rough
raven grove
Anybody else have a swarm come during the hiveguard fight? A proper swarm, with warning and everything.
half hill
Yes, dread prevents swarm only when theyâre the main course
wraith shard
just finished edd tonight with a great team. last stage with the deadnaught was enhanced with a pack of praetorians. It was a slaughterhouse but we finally did it.
gaunt mason
when do these reset?
worldly oracle
no it's random
leaden cypress
With blank cores & machine events you can choose the character, but not the overclock you'll get
half hill
Spam weapon OC first on machine event to get them cleared out of the way
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raven grove
Nope, Wednesday is the last day, not the first.
lucid trellis
Didnât get to finish it aw well
I tried doing it tonight but I got a couple racist miners that I really didnât wanna do a elite deep dive with
half hill
Didnât get to finish it aw well
If you're NA, ping me during the day, I can help you clear it
raven grove
I never was able to finish it, died in stage 3
But I got my weapon OC, so not much was lost.
This EDD was just plain nasty. Had to bunker. I hate bunkering.
outer fiber
you never have to bunker
plain frigate
I mean, the second stage with the mactera plague was arguably worse than the third
I would honestly attribute bunkering to the team succeeding this one
supple quarry
I mean, if you dive without any ways of dealing with a certain type of enemies, especially when most of people go in there with 4 dwarves and they make sure to know what are the mission types / Mutators beforehand, that's on you
Nothing justify bunkers
plain frigate
The thing is our plan was to bunker
You don't always get dwarves that set up their gear appropriately
sleek verge
Mactera plague is trivialized by the existence of an engie, driller with cryo/epc, gunner paying attention or scout with cryo grenades for the juicy multi kills
But yeah it happens sometimes
obsidian lion
When does this week's deep dive end?
elfin falcon
in like 16hours or so approximately?
i had my third go at the EDD with randoms, after failing at s3 each time
we got a random dreadnought twins spawn during our hiveguard fight
won somehow, pog, then died to the next basic wave
not wave, swarm, but still like cmon
feral atlas
They reason why they are still trying on refresh day is likely because they have failed multiple times.
And the reason why they failed multiple times if probably because they choke like that.
elfin falcon
we're all chokers i guess đ¤ˇââď¸ anyway im happy to takeaway the fact that we fought 2 dreads on haz5 and lived (for a short while after)
not complaining haha just sharing what just happened since im still hyped
high garden
Random hiveguard spawn in the tiny second room on the first stage is a good start to the EDD this week đŹ
finite vigil
dafuq
compact moon
yeah we got triple penetrated by dreadnoughts too. I just left without my cosmetic core. not worth it.
olive dune
anyway to know whats deep dive is going to be?
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burnt sandal
anyway to know whats deep dive is going to be?
nope
pastel wasp
I think it's always a different biome to the one it was previously
that's about all the information that you can divine though
oook actually looked into it, even that is wrong, 24/12 and 31/12 were both glacial on the normal
aaaaand if id checked the elite first, literally this week and last was fungus
elfin marlin
died on stage 3 of the edd because i was typing when my last teammate went down and couldn't get out of it to pop iron will in time 
unborn slate
Good luck! Have fun!
wraith shard
died on stage 3 of the edd because i was typing when my last teammate went down ...
how exactly
you can press ESC to close the chat, or send the unfinished message
elfin marlin
i tried to hold space while in the chat box
tame siren
elfin falcon
ive had similar moments where for some reason, when i play engi i always press esc to cancel putting down a turret rather than just switching weapon. Idk either
anyway if next edd is also fungus bogs we riot, correct?
i just want sandblasted corridoors, havent had that in the rotation since i first started doing DDs a few weeks ago
outer fiber
i just want sandblasted corridoors, havent had that in the rotation since i firs...
ah yes, sandblasted corridors where you get one shotted by a trawler appearing out of nowhere, or get slowed down by the sandstorm in the middle of the fights
so much better than fungus bogs indeed <w<
supple quarry
haha, those sharks feel really unfair most of the time, we had one just flying Mac10 accross the room in our first EDD
supple quarry
Yeah I don't like the sharks either, considering how little of his body is showing, you have to mlg flick shot him sometimes, to actually be able to hit it..
All biomes are rng, all of them can come with unforgiving generation, but my vote will go to glacial pog
dreamy dragon
But can we all agree that dense biozone is 95% of the time not very poggers?
calm sequoia
But can we all agree that dense biozone is 95% of the time not very poggers?
Cave Urchin not poggers
supple quarry
Cactus not poggers
outer fiber
glacial and dense are not very poggers despite how beautiful they are
calm sequoia
I like how you can melt the ice in glacial with the flamethrower
that's all I like about it tho
supple quarry
If you go in there with unstoppable, glacial is really pog
I don't think I did an EDD in glacial so far, please
atomic apex
i just dont like the cave structures of dense, sometimes i need objective, then boom, its on a 1 by 1 ledge mm in the ceiling
elfin falcon
denze biozone is just tooooo big
even as a scout i feel like i can never get my head around some of the caverns
outer fiber
lmao
elfin falcon
ah yes, sandblasted corridors where you get one shotted by a trawler appearing o...
yep, i want my one hit terrain
outer fiber
dense bio as a scout I'm like "ight I guess I'll spend the whole mission exploring"
elfin falcon
trawlers do suck though
calm sequoia
trawlers do suck though
just minding my own business then s m a c k
outer fiber
yep, i want my one hit terrain
Rocky mountain yes please
elfin falcon
true
i just also like the aesthetics of sandblasted tbh
also salt pits, although its so easy to miss enor and nitra in that
atomic apex
i love the big open rooms of sandblast, i will also say that magma is prob my second least fav
atomic apex
yeah is pretty bad
narrow drum
think I got time for one more try before it flips
calm sequoia
bro the mactera on EDD 3 suck
ikr. I couldn't do it solo so I joined a team. Had to bring the Sabata with toxin coating to even stand a chance
narrow drum
I just need a driller with cryo gun and I think it could be manageable
calm sequoia
ye
narrow drum
fingers crossed one joins
outer fiber
I just need a driller with cryo gun and I think it could be manageable
it takes too long
the time they freeze the air army already shot you
unless you took snowball
dreamy dragon
Did anyone say cryo grenades? Oh wait forgot, scout is useless kapp
Stage 2 edd has what feels like millions of nitra too
calm sequoia
yeah the nitra gods were good to us
supple quarry
Diller got tcf
Engi got pgl / lure
scout got cryo grenades / M1k
Gunner got shield
Macteras should be fine to deal with, at least in theory
I find the plague funny but not really difficult
outer fiber
I find triple line breach cutter way better than pgl to deal with macteras for engi
supple quarry
Mmmh, maybe, I'm not really into the BC myself
supple quarry
Don't rush it, keep your cool, wait for one of the centered macteras to channel its attack, shoot a pgl in its face
Most of it die, the rest is feared
ggwp
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river pawn
hoping for a week with no drilldozer
narrow drum
Fingers crossed for Azure weld
supple quarry
hoping for a week with no drilldozer
Please no, something at least
Morkite / mule / morkite was so bland
pliant dragon
any gunner wanna do a simple deep dive? 3/4 team rn we looking for a 4th
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quiet mortar
These Dives should be identical on the Experimental, however the 
Mutators and Mission layout may be different
DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Hunter's Haunt
Stage 1: 
225 Morkite + 
2 M.U.L.E.s | Shield Disruption
Stage 2: 
7 Aquarq + đĄ 1 Black Box | Critical Weakness Regenerative Bugs
Stage 3: 200 Morkite + đĄ 1 Black Box | No Mutators!
ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Salt Pits | Code Name: Green Valley
Stage 1: 
2 Dreadnoughts (Classic + Twins) + đĄ 1 Black Box | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: 
4 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Muators!
Stage 3: 200 Morkite + 1 Dreadnought Hiveguard | Parasites
winged elm
Crystalline lets go
stark zephyr
first stage of DD is 4 eggs not morkite
second stage of DD is 225 morkite, 2 mules, no modifier
quiet mortar
The dives have just reset, you might be running the old one, the new dive is definitely 225 Stage 1.
outer fiber
salt pits KEKW
copper summit
these two are biomes are the best imo
muffin but what are the codenames of these dives
quiet mortar
Hunter's Haunt and Green Valley
No idea how Salt Pits is green though
narrow drum
anything can be green with enough goo bugs
signal pawn
Hunter's Haunt and Green Valley
*No idea how Salt Pits is green though*
colourblind gaming
quiet mortar
XD
quiet mortar
How do you rejoin a deep dive
It's a disconnect thing, if you are fast enough after a game crash or something you can rejoin by opening the game.
Should come up with a join prompt when you start the game.
warm light
The host's internet disconnected me
It said lost connetion
the game is still going
and the other three are still in there
There needs to always be an option to try reconnecting
quiet mortar
Yeah, I agree.
But yeah I don't believe there's any other way to join sadly
river pawn
yessss no drilldozer
supple quarry
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
tight heron
If you think you're gonna disconnect (other players are just running on the spot or something) then best thing to do is alt F4 the game before you actually DC, then when you start it back up you'll get the rejoin message
limpid python
thoughts on new edd?
viscid oak
At stage 3 I got wave + 4 oppressors while fighting the dreadnought. It was challenging and I wasn't expecting that
But in general it was ok đ
warm light
Stage 3 was the best
I loved how you drop into a perfect size arena
you just have to clear some obstacles and it's golden
I liked how the "leech cluster" is just three leeches
idle warren
This elite dive looks easy
wraith shard
EDD has no escort but the dreads don't fuck around
barely made it past stage 3 cuz wave spawned during the hiveguard fight
other than that it's easy
uneven yew
Anyone else tired of shield disruption in phase one of the normal DD
idle warren
That's literally the easiest stage
finite vigil
idk why the normal DD was harder than it should have been
but I suppose connecting to a guy in Korea + 3 other guys being basically greenbeards didn't help.
especially during the stage 2 black box defence.
what a nightmare that was.
course, driller didn't bother to clear all the crystals
shadow shoal
That edd looks... not bad
finite vigil
I can tell when my teammates farmed for their ranks
3 of them dead almost immediately after opening up the OG cocoon on stage 1.
fuck that lmao
quiet wyvern
ah sheesh, i'm not gonna be able to do this on steam for awhile
idle warren
OG isnt even the hardest dreadnought lmao
finite vigil
I noped straight out of there as soon as they all died
now this next attempt - modded lobby lmao
lucky me
drowsy summit
finite vigil
at least it ain't lethal enemies
warm light
Consider this: Shield distruption, Kill 3 Dreadnoughts
idle warren
eh, dreadnought attacks blow away your shield anyway
outer fiber
eh, dreadnought attacks blow away your shield anyway
yeah, so the shield prevented you 25 HP loss
idle warren
you can still only take 2 hits
idle warren
solo gunner has a good match against dreadnought
you have the most damage of a class, and they have the least hp in solo
as long as you're not using autocannon
sleek verge
Yeah the dives this week are very easy
Just finished soloing both
Scout for the normal and driller for elite
idle warren
Cryo or Crispr?
raven grove
What does solo send at you, like 3 mactera?
sleek verge
Cryo
I did it with the 2x enemies mod on cause yeah they're kinda boring on normal difficulty
shut jasper
i am using autocannon
doesnt even have oc
its working amazingly well right now though
since i can hit dreadnought from behind albeit not well
i havent been downed once but here comes the salvage
so hopefully i can still get out well
this looks even worse
eggs + minimule
sleek verge
is not bad, you can just grab the 2 eggs as you go to the room with both mules
that room also has the last 2 eggs and is good to fight in
shut jasper
ok
shrewd belfry
4 engie team, let's gooooo
tawny cliff
It's happened consistently that i'm pretty sure its part of the edd
Second wash of the day, will try the edd with randoms later
Just the waves in the room with the hivegaurd egg
I could do it if we just had a moment to heal up
shut jasper
turned the hiveguard from hard enough to impossible
tawny cliff
It's just wild. We called 3 resupplies but the wave didn't give us time to reload.
Gonna do work and then try it again tonight. Wish the engi went fire damage instead of the electro build.
tawny cliff
YES
fiery kiln
tawny cliff
It's.... better than previous weeks
just a lot of choke points that'll mess you up if youre not wary of it
And the last dred fight calls a swarm halfway through
so...
shut jasper
the last dread calls 2
it is hell
all the levels before are easy
that last one is next to impossible
narrow drum
Hoping to get on my runs starting tonight, just thankful to have some biomes with a bit more visibility this week
Less dense foliage and more sightlines is always a win in my book
dim gorge
Did an EDD with a friend and two other randoms today and we managed to clear it first try. I'd say it's actually pretty good this week. Yes, you can get a swarm during stage 3 dread fight and it can really screw you over (nearly did it for us) but it's manageable.
narrow drum
Congrats dude! First try is always a rush, especially when it's real clutch at the end
dim gorge
Ayy thanks!
Last time it was just me and my friend and sadly he DC'd when transitioning to stage 3, so I had to fight Hiveguard there solo. Went pretty well, even though swarm really made me run circles for some time, throwing cluster nades under my feet, haha
formal thorn
Did an EDD with a friend and two other randoms today and we managed to clear it ...
how are the first two stages of the EDD?
dim gorge
Not bad, one dread is better to fight in the spawn area, other iirc has a decent cave, just need some quick prep. Stage 2 is also fine, 2 eggs in a tunnel leading to a bigger room with MULEs and other two eggs. Though Qronars can be rather annoying there, haha
shut jasper
i might try and do it again but with others
3rd stage you cant do solo unless your insanely good
dim gorge
I feel like if you can get to stage 3 it shouldn't be too bad solo. It's actually really similar to last week's. I went AC gunner with elephant rounds Bulldog and Hiveguard fight went rather smooth until swarm appeared, but then it's more of kiting and shooting/throwing grenades. A bit tricky but doable
shrewd belfry
EDD is in my favourite biome this week so I'd like it if it was the 1st one I fully cleared
tawdry quest
EDD Stage 2 has a hectic death room
With a breeder, a leech, three spitballers
And some other crap I'm forgetting
It's a very easy week otherwise
Last stage has a dread fight for the secondary
Keep in mind that swarms can spawn during secondary objective bosses
Now I'm waiting for greenbeards to mine every last gold deposit in the regular DD
dim gorge
It's very likely to get a swarm around the last bits of dread fight on stage 3, so I'd say be ready for that
hazy comet
on mining missions the swarm comes at about 5 minutes in
so either kill the dread fast or wait out the first swarm
tawdry birch
Did anyone else get a Bet-C in the regular DD? First stage
I wasn't aware the boss fights could spawn on a dive
random path
formal thorn
DD had 8 extra cans at the end
idle warren
who would win? a dwarf who beat literally everything else up to and including 90% of stage 3 of the elite dive, or one aimbot trijaw
i'll give you a hint
it was the aimbot trijaw who literally shot around a corner
tawny cliff
RIP
idle warren
this game is fuckin lucky i only care about the weapon clocks lol
tawny cliff
Finally beat stage 3 of the EDD. Bless to my gunner
idle warren
I literally had soooo much nitra left, I was decked to the nines, there was no way I thought Id lose
tawny cliff
Put ziplines far enough up that we all could just sit up there on the line and shoot down at all the bugs
idle warren
But one fucking trijaw just deleted me as I was getting space for the breach cutter
idle warren
I had like 75% hp and full shield
tawny cliff
Too young
idle warren
those jabronies need a fuckin nerf
tawny cliff
Any flying thing with a tri shot
It's the same thing with those bugs in Hollow Knight
idle warren
literally there was like 20 other grunts in the room, a praet, and an oppressor, none of them could really touch me, but one fucking trijaw
I was at the end of a Dash, too
tawny cliff
Rough stuff
idle warren
After the Hiveguard was down I literally thought "ok, barring some god-tier bullshit, I got this"
tawny cliff
And thus the god tire bullshit arrived
idle warren
I even have magnetic pellet alignment on, too
All i needed was one more second to get that bitch
Oh well
I'm not going back for it
Half the cosmetic cores suck
and I still have 2 more to get this week
finite vigil
got 2 more blank cores to fill
but Oddworld is calling me again
not Soulstorm cos I'm not sure if I wanna buy it now or wait till it comes out on Steam for the achievements
copper summit
the ones who deep dive currently are on stage 3
naive bobcat
i had a very nice surprise when i was running solo deep dive
how nice of the devs to make stage 3 hot and spicy
outer fiber
devs don't choose the deep dives stages
old widget
I do wonder if someone is at least given reroll power when selecting deep dives
Like sure, itâs all randomly generated each time, but it seems like thereâs a disproportionate number of really evil cave configurations, like they say âthis isnât bad enough, reroll stage 3â
(Have we ever heard from devs on exactly how DD/EDD selection works? Do they play through first before releasing?)
vague elbow
I assume they do not, unless it's part of the Thursday dev stream
outer fiber
they don't touch the deep dives unless something is really wrong, they said it themselves during their streams
vague elbow
They have the power to tweak it, but it works fine on its own most of the time, so it's a question of time management
thorny geyser
EDD was fun
all my downs were from massive multiple youngling impacts in tight tunnels
vague elbow
I hate younglings more than the full grown ones, honestly
wraith shard
I remember Azure Weald and Hollow Bough being the dives on the first day of the update
They definitely play around with the dives, but probably not the extent @old widget is talking about
fringe kettle
It's all RNG. The exceptions being when new missions or biomes are introduced. When the new biomes were introduced, I believe they just looked for a seed containing them and that was that.
elfin falcon
just finished doing DD and EDD back to back with 2 friends and a random
thought the EDD was fair bit easier than last week, the rough part was the one room in s2 with all those spitballers
the first time i tried though, we thought to fight the s3 dread right at the start hoping to get it done before the first swarm. We weren't quick enough though and we got the swarm halfway through the fight
but on the second go we did all the mining first and circled back with all the nitra and timed it so that we popped it right as a swarm ended
anyway salt pits and crystalline caverns are 2 of my 3 fave biomes so i had fun ^^
sleek verge
Nice, I managed to kill all my dreads before any swarms happened in both cases so this edd was kinda boring
elfin falcon
you could have had a random dread swarm
i got random twins during hiveguard s3 last week lol
we survived but died to the swarm after the fight
plush herald
We should have a perk that increases our max carry ammo since we have a perk that can increase our max carry weight for minerals
Nothing too major, like, say 15% at base and each upgrade increases it by 5% up to tier 4?
old widget
Too balance disruptive IMO, ammo economy is such a key tunable in this game
But this is probably better suited for #suggestion-discussion
dim gorge
Too balance disruptive IMO, ammo economy is such a key tunable in this game
Yeah, plus, +30% at tier 4? That's legit +720 ammo for minigun, almost as much as a modification but with no drawbacks whatsoever
plush herald
Fair, fair. perhaps it's too strong? Could reduce the initial bonus to +5% instead so at max tier it goes up to 20%?
jaunty flower
For those who haven't run them, DD/EDD are very easy, both doable in ~30min or less.
Good strat if you have a 4 man is having the driller do the other objective while the rest of the team sits on the black box
elfin falcon
For those who haven't run them, DD/EDD are very easy, both doable in ~30min or l...
30min for the EDD on a blind run?
sleek verge
Yeah this one was very easy
elfin falcon
fair, i guess im still quite a noob. i did find it easier than the last 2 weeks though yeah
lucid frost
EDD today was even easier than regular DD, got 2 bulkies just one after another during the blackbox on the latter :D
jaunty flower
30min for the EDD on a blind run?
yea easily
when it's not escort, DD/EDD are usually 30 min missions
high garden
Think that might actually be the easiest deep dive I've ever done lol
Got random twins and bet-c on first stage and bulk on third, still didn't go down once
Hoping the elite is similarly nice
dim gorge
Seems like BET-C is a guaranteed spawn on stage 1 of regular DD. Did it once again with a friend (was accompanying them) and it was there, still in the same spot
jaunty flower
IIRC BET-C and Crassus are part of the seed
dim gorge
Not a Crassus. Haven't seen it in DD at all
jaunty flower
Not sure how that impacts them being a part of the seed, but
Korlok as well I'd imagine - anything that spawns with the map
dim gorge
Some enemies are just very rare initial spawns. Sometimes you might suddenly encounter a random Huuli crawler or similar even though it wasn't there last try
Iirc that's basically how it is
jaunty flower
Open the DD again and see if it's there.
If it is, I'd wager BET-C is tied to seed
dim gorge
I did this weeks DD several times (on my own and multiple times with friends due to some issues) and it was there every time, so yeah, definitely seeded
jaunty flower
I'd imagine Korlok, Crassus are the same, as they are ambient and there before the pod
dim gorge
I know for sure Crassus always spawns before the pod
old widget
Does player count also impact rare spawn chance for a given seed? Like you might see that BET-C every time with 4p but not solo?
I recall one EDD where we ran it 4p then 2p and boy was everything different, spawn wise. And not just size of spawns
shadow shoal
Last weeks dd also had a Huuli on stage one every time from what I saw
unkempt belfry
shut hatch
is betc part of a cave seed? or just an enemy spawn
burnt sandal
is betc part of a cave seed? or just an enemy spawn
BET-C is always part of the cave gen, just like spitballers and cave leeches are
you might not have it though as the number of players is also changing cave-generated enemies spawn
naive bobcat
I didn't see bet c at all though
odd comet
Yeah
Static spawns, like spitballers, breeders, leeches, BET-C, etc. will change with different player counts
So you may run into one on a Deep Dive with two players, but not with three or four (for example)
narrow drum
standard DD this week was a ton of fun
could do without all the blocked tunnels it generated but other than that it was a pretty solid set of levels
dim gorge
Well, blocked tunnels is just a part of crystal caves experience :P
narrow drum
just give me a hazard at that point
I'd rather something new and weird trying to kill me instead of getting stuck every 2 minutes
native pulsar
Swarmers are really okay though, it felt like a normal deep dive honestly
Todays edd personally felt just like a normal deep dive since its surprisingly easy.
outer fiber
Swarmers are really okay though
found the driller
native pulsar
Was using scout that time though and yes i am driller main hello
supple quarry
Everyday, for 8 years I've brought incendiary grenades into those caves to protect myself and my fellow dwarves from swarmers, and everyday, for 8 years, people have laughed at me.
Well, who's laughing now ?
native pulsar
Fire is good, commit arson on little tarantula.
half hill
Not only does he cook the swarmer, he also cooks the team
shrewd belfry
EDD last stage
I wanna throw shit at the wall
I get that the dread is not the main objective but getting a swarm during the fight is awful
uneven summit
I'm a scout main and realized I made a mistake starting with scout. It's weapons are very unlike the other miners..... hard to do decent with anyone else