deep-dive-discussion

[burnt sandal]

both are actually outdated

The owner didn't edit the 1st and reposted instead. A mod came by and pinned the new one

and this week, he posted instead of editing

again

So that's what happened 😄

[outer fiber]

I can't even advice people to look at pinned messages if there are outdated ones

[stone lava]

This current EDD is insane

I kinda love it but it's really hard

[torn citrus]

How many do we have in 'lost at stage 2 EDD' gang?

[little cove]

At least... 5

And dare I say... Maybe as much as... 6

[fallen raptor]

What is deep dive

And what can u get there

[burnt sandal]

https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Deep_Dives

[fallen raptor]

Ty

Are deep dives possible with random teammates

Or not a good idea

[burnt sandal]

it's possible

[vocal chasm]

i did it 3 times and it worked 2 times

so i guess it's gonna be ok

[hazy wave]

I do that all the time, normal deep dives shouldn't be much of a challenge

[fallen raptor]

Last question how long does it take on average

[hazy wave]

Anywhere from 45-75 minutes usually

[fallen raptor]

ok and at least how long?

[hazy wave]

Unless you're speedrunning

[fallen raptor]

Thanks brothers rock and stone !

[supple quarry]

Depend aswell if you're part of people taking time to dig gold or not
Estimated times above sounds good to me, even if on my end it's more an average of 1h for Edd

[fallen raptor]

bought the game in early access but only played it sometimes

[wide barn]

i wanna cry i just lost my 8th attempt at stage 2

[stone lava]

hey jpeg 👋

[wide barn]

ayyyyy

my suffering has brought me friends

[stone lava]

I just tried to warn a group about zone 2

and they didnt listen and all downed immediately

and im just like 🤦‍♂️

[wide barn]

the farthest ive gotten was our run

[stone lava]

same lol

[wide barn]

to be fair, on my last one the engi quit out (like a bitch) cuz the scout kept downing

[stone lava]

was it ted? XD

[wide barn]

YUP

that dude does NOT know how to stay alive my god

[stone lava]

poor ted, can't stay alive for the life of him

[wide barn]

at least he had a good attitude about it

[stone lava]

yeah

[wide barn]

i think im done with this shit for the day but ill come back and try again soon

my sanity is depleting rapidly

[stone lava]

fair

im probably gonna try a few more times

[stone lava]

and another group bites the dust

I think I'll call it here for today as well

[outer fiber]

time to carry

[spiral yoke]

Elite deep dives harder than normal?

[stone lava]

first in last out fam @outer fiber I've been trying XD

[outer fiber]

yes, hence the "elite"

[spiral yoke]

What's the difference?

[stone lava]

@spiral yoke very much so yeah. DD is like, haz 3/3.5/4

EDD is 4.5/5/5.5

[outer fiber]

dd is 3/3.5/3.5

[outer fiber]

just the hazard, and the biome/seed

[outer fiber]

what are you playing

[stone lava]

every class but gunner so far

my best run has been engi so far, we got both eggs and almost got to refine morkite

on area 2

[wraith shard]

2nd one pure cancer

[stone lava]

ironically that run also had the most downs but we constantly picked each other up

scout went down 25 times

[wraith shard]

Want try EDD again?

[stone lava]

yeah im down

[old widget]

Holler if y’all need a 4th

[final merlin]

why is stage 2 of the edd so god damn hard

the first time we got 3 detonators to spawn at once

[stone lava]

We got it done! and had a toast afterwards

Thanks @wraith shard @old widget @rain turret for a great run

Literally took an hour to do the second stage

probably one of the longest single segments i've played a mission in this game

[final merlin]

on the edd, we got demolished by the grabbers that wouldnt leave us alone, especially with the cave leeches it was not very fun

[wraith shard]

Yeah, was fun. 3rd one is a joke lol.

[stone lava]

Yeah if you can pass 2nd, 3rd is cake

@final merlin I had a run done in by grabbers as well. Kept me from reviving people

[final merlin]

it’s just so annoying

[viscid notch]

I went down 18 times on this weeks EDD. Should've got an achievement called 'One with rock and stone' I spent that much time down there 😔

[wraith shard]

We had same tactic and won

[wintry saddle]

man

[patent river]

@wraith shard awesome Rock and Stone!

[wintry saddle]

this weeks EDD is rough

3 tries and no luck

[final merlin]

the edd is very hard, stage 1 is fine and then stage 2 throws a whole bunch of stuff at you

[wintry saddle]

double/triple detonator is rough

on a mostly vertical map lol

[wraith shard]

@wintry saddle RNG, we had only 1.

[broken cape]

Went into EDD w/ 3 buddies first time just sorta yolo'd around and died stage 2. Second time, we hard bunkered with a very long entrance tunnel and the plan to make an exit tunnel as soon as we heard Detonator digging. Not the funnest strat, but worked out in the end.

[wintry saddle]

I'm envious I've gotten 2-3 every time

well

2/2/3

I've only tried 3 times

[final merlin]

i drilled up to the mine head and instantly saw 2 detonators and a pretorian staring me in the face

[old widget]

yeah we bunkered heavily on stage 2, couldn't believe we only saw one bulk and it wasn't while we were bunkering

plenty of opps tho

in my paltry 250ish hours I don't think I've ever seen more than one bulk at the same time, that would be quite a sight

[sleek verge]

yeah but theyre not as bad as they sound

keep them close and just focus one

its death will kill the other

[old widget]

it's true, they aren't much of a threat as long as you have enough room to maneuver

[analog halo]

they seem much less scary now when oppressors can potentially be more dangerous if they catch you off-guard

[wintry saddle]

finally

beat this weeks elite deep dive

that was a pain in the ass 2nd mission

the rest was easy af

[fallow moat]

I love getting random ASS teammates for the EDD. The only thing they know how to do is go down

[bright parcel]

That’s the point of the edd tho

To go down and deeper

[fallow moat]

I'd rather have bosco...

[fair iris]

I failed this week's EDD 3 times

No team was good enough

Did it solo as engi with bosco and steeeve and it wasn't too bad

[sage kiln]

if bosco revives you in the first stage of an EDD, do you get those revives back in the later stages or is it consumed for all stages

[fair iris]

You get 3 revives each stage

Or however many you normally have

[sage kiln]

that's nice then, thanks

[coarse grove]

Hey guys are trainers allowed in DRG lol

[bright parcel]

Trainers?

[coarse grove]

cheats

[scarlet jewel]

They arent

[bright parcel]

They aren’t but there’s really nothing you can do but report on steam

[plush schooner]

The elite deep dive left me feeling kind of like a shellshocked veteran

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315537331073449985/821014138880655370/unknown.png

Eventually pulled out a win tho

Nukes and plasma bursters ftw

[delicate geode]

Nothin like dead baby jokes to celebrate the EDD win amirite

[plush schooner]

Nah that was just a Civvie video I was listening to while playing

[trail quest]

Anyone know when the next Deep Dive kicks off?

[fringe kettle]

Thursday

[trail quest]

Gracias 🤙

[versed hollow]

Better to try one's first EDD solo, or with a group?

[plush schooner]

I suggest solo

With 4 people it was fucking murderous

[silk aspen]

Stage two of this week's EDD is cursed

[spiral raptor]

So this weeks EDD was my first epic one and

I fell like never doing that again. That second stage was so....fucking....hard

[narrow nexus]

I agree

Did you solo?

[spiral raptor]

Oh helllll naw

It was my first ever edd

I had q full premade

[narrow nexus]

Hope your driller was experienced in pipes!

[spiral raptor]

I

Was the drillee

[narrow nexus]

o

Oh

[spiral raptor]

The amount of chastising and pain

We only needed to drill for 1 pump jack

The other 2 the engi did

But we got 3 bulks and

So

Many

Jellyfish

Shocky fuckers

[narrow nexus]

IKR

So many of those damn things

I had to play around my sentries or else I was dead

[spiral raptor]

Yea definetly

We needed to use zip lines tti get around since

[narrow nexus]

So glad I brought Fat Boy, was seriously thinking of using Hyper Propellant at the time

[spiral raptor]

I couldn't tunnel a path up top the base

And when those fuckers spawn, and you're on a zip

instantly dead even with thorns

[narrow nexus]

fall damage
fun

[polar widget]

time to hit that baby into reverse and get to ground

[narrow nexus]

My run almost ended with fall damage actually

Thank god for platforms, was on 20 health or something

[spiral raptor]

I feel like shockers need to be tweaked. I feel like they shouldnt slow you since they pop out of thin air with no warning

[narrow nexus]

And there's too many of them

[polar widget]

Everything slows you down, is it not?

[narrow nexus]

Nope

[spiral raptor]

I'm not shitting you, 5 different times they spawned around me in a cloud

[narrow nexus]

Slashers, shockers will slow you down

[spiral raptor]

No warning at all. No chance to do anything

just jellyfish

Bit i did it. It was stressful and i got a beard

And the 3rd mission? Only took 20 minutes

Super easy

[narrow nexus]

Yeah even with leeches

[spiral raptor]

Leeches are easy

[narrow nexus]

Though the pod being in the ceiling was wack lmao

[spiral raptor]

I always run heightened senses and irom will for everything but scout

For scout I'm either so beast master or field medic

[tawdry birch]

I thought they were reducing the amount of Nitra in the regular deep dive? We ended this one with like 600 extra nitra

[burnt sandal]

it's been reduced by 15%, nothing too game changing

[tawdry birch]

One of the team calculated we must have had over 900, and didn't get some that was in the escort segment...

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[outer fiber]

Does someone know who has access to this bot's code ?

[flat dirge]

Did you ask this before?

[outer fiber]

yup

[burnt sandal]

why do you want to know that ? 😄

[outer fiber]

I want to suggest some QoL feature to make mod's life easier

[burnt sandal]

I think you'll want to tell that to them then I guess

if they are interested

[outer fiber]

that's pointless if they can't edit this bot

what I want is to provide some code

owo

[little radish]

FINALLLY

BEAT MY FIRST EDD

[burnt sandal]

GG

[little radish]

bunkered so much in stage 2

[burnt sandal]

EW

nevermind

[little radish]

we had like 4 bunkers because they kept getting wrecked

[burnt sandal]

not GG

[little radish]

LMAOO

[burnt sandal]

😄

[old widget]

Bunkers in stage 2 were an absolute lifesaver. So much verticality in that seed, was very challenging to set up a kill box in the open

Just had to keep ears open for bulk/opp growls

[formal rock]

damn i hate this weeks dds

[coarse grove]

any strats for EDD stage 2

we always get rekt on that stage

[scarlet willow]

bring a driller

[coarse grove]

what's bunkering. Sorry i'm a greenie.

[scarlet willow]

bunkering is a strat where you dig yourself into a hole so the bugs can only dig in which takes a long time or go through the choke you made

its looked down upon by many for being a cheese strat

dont be sorry for being new

[coarse grove]

I guess if the situation's dire that's a nice strat lol

I've only promoted my scout tho so may not be able to complete this week's EDD.

[lusty stratus]

If you fall on pipes while holding e, you won't receive fall damage

Also don't make pipes too steep in open spaces...

They can just throw you off and you fall to death

[coarse grove]

damn drillers really shine on the refining missions huh

[lusty stratus]

Best class for refinery mission for sure

[fallow moat]

Anyone wanna do EDD with me?

[lusty stratus]

Driller can use throwing axes to destroy the annoying shooting cacti and pick axes up after too

[fair spruce]

Best class ~~for ~~refinery mission for sure

[lusty stratus]

Tbh I find him the most boring

[coarse grove]

Whats ur region?

[lusty stratus]

But he's supa strong that's true

[fallow moat]

East cost

[coarse grove]

Havent played my driller. He's the only one I have at lvl 1 while the rest are ranked up. 😭

[tepid pollen]

Anyone know sights with upgrade pick rates and stuff, I saw a few one a site but wasnt sure if there was a full list somewhere

[lusty stratus]

I try and rank up classes equally

[tepid pollen]

with ratings and everything

site*

[fair spruce]

Interesting, to each their own obviously, but I find driller to be the most fun overall. I think the drills' flexibility is the most fun tool for cave traversal.

[coarse grove]

Not sure if I can help. Im in SEA. You can try the lfg channel.

[lusty stratus]

Drills are cool

But his main weapons are boring honestly

Vampire build with cryo cannon is very unique though, gotta say

[coarse grove]

Same reason why I dont play him. I dont like the flamethrower.

[tepid pollen]

I think the cryo cannon is fun as hell lol

[bright parcel]

(broken as hell)

[tepid pollen]

yea and fun

[visual nacelle]

cryo + axes through multiple bugs feels badass

[idle warren]

doesnt plasma pistol have a penetrating overclock or something?

if you give up TCF

[pine river]

This EDD is just mean or I'm bad. Either way, it really is good at ruining my confidence playing the game lol

[old widget]

yep, at T5

[idle warren]

could be good with Cryo

[bright parcel]

Except it does trash damage

Compared to tcf detonation to a hoard of enemies

[idle warren]

word? well shit

[old widget]

good enough damage to frag a frozen swarm?

ah, well yeah

[idle warren]

i should really try to detonate things other than gold veins

i mainly use it for bulletspam at far-away mactera or for skipping mining minerals

[outer fiber]

flying nightmare mod, but you need to build it correctly in order to make it a minimum viable

with the overcharger OC

[idle warren]

eh

[outer fiber]

yup it's "eh" like you said

[little radish]

just gotta bunker and take your time on stage 2 🙏🏽

[idle warren]

I had to solo it in bunker to pass

I couldnt get randos past Stage2

they just kept wandering off and dying

[lusty stratus]

Same

Bunker is cringe though

I just jumped around like a maniac

Solo edd is not fun tbh. Too bad I either get kicked for being low level or lose with low levels that are actually bad. Dilemma

[earnest barn]

EDD is one of those things that people dont really wanna help carry low level people on

mostly cus you cant

[sinful token]

ya this weeks elite deep dive was nasty

[unkempt belfry]

wow that EDD was a beat down

failed on refinery

[graceful needle]

Very true, the only class in a 4 man that can be dead weight and you'll still be fine is scout

Bad driller or gunner is an L

[feral atlas]

TBH, the most tolerable low levels on pub EDD are scout, and then driller.

Engi and gunner, it depends on mission type and mutators

On this particular EDD, a bad engi is intolerable

A semi sentient engi can probably easily get 700 kills, while a good engi will get at least 1300

[graceful needle]

Really? Feels like the difference between a bad driller and a good one are massive, considering TCF and cryo vs flamer and none. Was the reason I only use driller on edds.

Engi can agree, though engi skill cap is pretty much limited to positioning with platforms since breach cutter is super easy to do well with. Good driller can cover a bad engi's shortcomings generally, but doesn't really work vice versa

[feral atlas]

new engi, with me on gunner: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1744554700039493020/C100BED1FBD5F19A9D82C0AE5D1854B31CD5CEBE/

me on engi: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1744554700039491983/705C2DE87BE912A15C9263B689F143246625A671/

I've seen engis with 20+ downs still get 800 ish kills on the finish screen

if you've got enough brain cells to put a turret up that isn't in a hole in the ground or facing a wall, 700 is the minimum with the amount of jellies and swarmers that spawn on stage 2

Engi and gunner are the most important classes on harder EDDs because they cover a lot of edge cases that normally don't come up too often but can screw you if you don't know how to react.

They are the only two classes with both good swarm wipe, and a big pool of ammo for their anti-large equipment, respectively the BC and gunner's pistols. Scout lacks swarm wipe, and driller's best anti-large are his axes, which he only gets 8 of.

Drill's anti-large options all either draw from small ammo pools, or are combo based. Like fire + volatile bullets, or cryo + axes.

Which inherently make them worse at dealing with "oh shit" moments than BC spam or shield + minigun/secondary spam.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[deft kite]

https://ibb.co/vLSnLS9

to be fair we kinda went fast through this

so he had less opportunity to kill stuff but still

add 20 minutes and i'm sure he'd be in the 800

also this team was stellar for the level they were, especially driller which impressed me

[feral atlas]

this seed is extremely jelly and swarmer heavy

just free frags for turrets

[dark flower]

Hey all, new DRG discord poster here, so I apologize if this is the wrong channel. I'm trying out Deep Dives for the first time, and I'm having some trouble getting a Deep Dive group together. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or breaking unspoken rules or something? Every team I join kicks me with "I have my reasons." Some without warning, a few made fun of me first. I hosted twice, and no one would communicate, and they all just sort of bail out five minutes in. I read up on the wiki, I've clocked over sixty hours, I'm comfortable a Haz 3 and 4 - any idea what gives?

[quasi cradle]

just sounds like bad luck

[hazy wave]

If you ever need help getting a group together, I'm willing to join if I'm free

[dark flower]

I hope so. I've never even seen a player drop out or get kicked before today, but it's been like this for hours.

Thanks Thaeta, I appreciate it, but I think I'm too frustrated and burned out right now. :/ I work in healthcare and spending my work hours treating cancer patients with Covid doesn't leave me a lot of energy for stuff like this.

[hazy wave]

Gotcha. Once the new DD comes out if you're feeling up to it, I'd be happy to join

Hope you're holding on well yourself while you're on the front lines

[deft kite]

are you NA east ?

[little cove]

Sorry to hear that. Looks like you've had a run in with some bad company. If you're up for trying again tomorrow, ping me. I wouldn't mind filling in.

[modest inlet]

How badly does a new dd player get smitten?

I Play on haz 3 regularly

[deft kite]

join a haz 5 lobby

[little cove]

You should be comfortable. Play a few haz 4 rounds too, just to get an idea of what can go wrong.

[deft kite]

if you die 3 times in a row within the first 5 minutes you might find edd rough

dd are always accessible though

some edd are very accessible though

[little cove]

They're talking dds, though...

[modest inlet]

Yeah I was planning on doing more dd than anything

EDD, it scares me lol

Like my laptop can barely handle haz4

[deft kite]

like i said

some weeks are very easy

other week less so

very much depends who you are playing with

[modest inlet]

Fair enough

[deft kite]

because if you play with 3 player who play haz 5 all the time it should be a breeze

[modest inlet]

Mhm, plus I only have 38 hours and just promoted

Def need more practice lol

[strong sequoia]

find some people who can help you get use to haz 5

[deft kite]

i say take it to haz 4

the jump between 3 and 4 is barely noticeable

[modest inlet]

Yeah that was def the plan, just wanna work on my aim a bit in 3 lol

[deft kite]

once you are comfy in haz 4

do what i said earlier

die 3 times within 5 minutes on haz 5 and begin your beautiful adventure into haz 5

[modest inlet]

Beautiful, sounds great thanks for the advice, didn't know if DD was a sweaty part of deep rock ya know?

[deft kite]

nah dd is basicaly haz 4 with too much nitra

[modest inlet]

Like this community is great but there's always the few ya know?

Gotcha gotcha

[fresh escarp]

EDD is like, cancer

I've tried like 12 times and second stage always gets me

[feral atlas]

Hopefully this doesn't come across as too harsh. I'm gonna say a lot of things that are unpopular and rude, but likely true to one extent or another.

1. Generally speaking, nobody cares about you in random pubs. They care what you can do for them. Given how difficulty scales with more players, it is quite possible for players to literally be worse than nothing. There will always be exceptions, but your general operating assumptions should be this unless otherwise proven wrong.

2. Blue level matters in a way. The people that say it doesn't matter at all are liars, trying to make you feel better, or delusional. Given that there is no way gauge skill in the game in a direct manner before jumping into the actual game, people can and will resort to proxy measurement, which would be blue level and promotion level. Deep Dives can and do take a significant amount of time, 45 min to 2 hours. If you fail, you get kicked back to the start, and since players can't join in progress dives you are stuck with the players you started it with. And most people don't want to take a teammate in, and 30 minutes in find out that he doesn't know what he's doing. So they preemptively screen based on their proxy measurements, or give up early when they see something that makes them believe that the mission is doomed to fail.

3. Timing matters. You can only get the rewards that matter (i.e. cores) on your first success on all stages. Meaning that for most people, when they beat the dive once they don't do it again. This creates a selection effect where the good players finish the dives in 1-2 tries early after the refresh on Thursday morning, and as time goes on the people still trying it are the ones that keep losing. I.E., you begin to scrape the bottom of the barrel, and find teammates that are some combination of unskilled, new, stupid, incredibly unlucky, or combative. I personally believe that it is not worth it to try public dives after the weekend.

[feral atlas]

Generally speaking, I personally don't kick very much, in large part because I do my EDDs early, I actually enjoy playing the 2 main carry classes, and my server name and level probably already scare away people. But for EDDs in particular, bronze players and players with levels <80 make me kinda nervous.

[lilac estuary]

Isn't it hazard 3.5 max?

[feral atlas]

3 - 3.5 - 4

[lilac estuary]

That makes me feel better about dying once with the twins on the second stage lol

Although it was me just being stupid around and paying the price

[lilac estuary]

I feel attacked because I normally do them pretty late because I am like oh crap i need to like, do them lol

[feral atlas]

nevermind, I was wrong

it is 3 - 3.5 - 3.5

must have been change since I last played regular dives

[lilac estuary]

I am doing them :P they are a fun hour for matrix cores

Still missing a few OCs

[feral atlas]

Eh, I stopped doing them sometime mid-last year

kept putting me to sleep, so I only do the EDDs now

[lilac estuary]

But the matrix cores

Once I have every weapon OC I'm gonna not care much about them anymore though

[feral atlas]

There are 98 weapon cores iirc

you get 7.125 a week, if you forge all cores for mastery and use all blanks for weapon cores

[lilac estuary]

I have been getting cosmetics to choose from

[feral atlas]

so, 14 weeks for all weapon OCs, or around 3.4 months

[lilac estuary]

For the past 4 events or so

Only missing 3 OCs on my drillee

Driller*

But I'm not forging because I don't wanna run dry on croppa & Jadiz because scout promotions are pricey

[feral atlas]

that, and I gave myself all the cosmetic OCs after I got all my weapon OCs and got tired of regular dives

I've been playing since 2018; regular credits and resources are not a problem

[lilac estuary]

I have been playing since September i think

[lilac estuary]

EDDs are still pretty hard for me & running the same map a few times is kinda annoying so i don't even bother finishing then if I got the weapon OC so I'm super behind cosmetics

Might try to grind eventually

Any loadout tips for scouts EDD now that i think of?

Other than improving my aim I'm kinda not sure where to go for now tbh

[austere cradle]

just finished the EDD...that shit was nightmare fuel

[fresh shell]

i did too, whats your steam name?

[austere cradle]

same as Discord username

[fresh shell]

okay good, because the guys i were playing with were really bad lmao

[austere cradle]

LOL

that was easily, without question, the hardest EDD i've done so far

only blue level like 60 or smthn but still i've got a dozen under my belt

thankfully my driller and gunner were A++ miners

[fresh shell]

imo the biggest difficulty swings in an EDD is decided by your teammates. I have had easy EDDs be really hard and vice versa depending on team

check out Schandefreude's last bullet point above. It really is true. You find way better teams the first 2-3 days of reset

[austere cradle]

yeah, kinda goes back to what FeelZe was talking about. EDD grouping is the most strict just because of the time investment. you really gotta trust those dudes

yep

honestly i got so lucky tonight. i played well but definitely not as well as those two dudes

note to self: deep dive well before Monday

[fresh shell]

yeah i run it with a buddy of mine, and every time we have waited this long it is a slog, we usually try to do it Friday

[austere cradle]

i've always been opposed to bunker strat but it was absolutely necessary for stage 2 and 3

if you ping me on Friday i'll join yall for next week's

[fresh shell]

eh, we didnt bunker just gotta stay mobile. I had 3 downs, my buddy had 4. Our other guys had 15 and 11 hahaha

okay sounds good ill try to remember 😄

[austere cradle]

yeah check the screenshot i posted in speedrunning, it was a bloody bloody game

there wasn't much room to maneuver on stage 2, where most of my downs were. platforms going under resources underneath...pretty messy

1 and 3 were clean thoug

[fresh shell]

stage 2 map was a mess

[austere cradle]

that biome is just the absolute worst for engi i tell you hwhat

[fresh shell]

i usually like that biome but yeah that was rough

[viral canopy]

how was the EDD this week?

[inner harness]

stage 1 is an easy low o2 escort w 2 eggs, then the second stage is a liquid morkite extraction w 2 eggs but the map and enemy spawns are pretty hard for casual/most players

i havent got to stage 3 myself

egg spawns are easy for both too

[plush schooner]

The third stage is so much more manageable than the second because you can easily set up a killbox and all the eggs are clustered together

All in all the cave is practically one area big

But it is also cave leech cluster and haz 5.5 means that if you all just blindly sprint in it's game over

Especially since there's some 9 or so leeches in that one area

[inner harness]

jesus

hope we get an easier one this week

[viral crown]

stage 2 wasn't too bad. as long as scout can handle not getting picked off by the two leaches and everyone else stays together it was manageable.

[hollow summit]

just had a failed attempt at stage 2... we were doing okay, and then we got a swarm while inside a tunnel and just lost the frigging plot

double gunner was actually doing decent work, but the lack of engineer turret shooting jellyfish was a pain... and stage one doretta rocks went pretty bad

[feral atlas]

I do not understand why you would keep attempting a Wed EDD

Keep in mind that the vast majority of players currently queueing are people that have failed all of their attempts so far.

[hollow summit]

it was a pug, and we were chatting and had a good time in voice

[feral atlas]

It would be better for your sanity to just wait for the refresh.

[burnt sandal]

Or those who were too lazy to do it that week

like me

[hollow summit]

what's your point

[feral atlas]

Wed evening pub is a recipe for a bad time. Most of the time.

Or at the very least, a very slim chance at winning.

[hollow summit]

that has not been my experience

[outer fiber]

what leeches on stage 2?

[supple quarry]

Get back to work or I'll tell management

[versed hollow]

IIRC Leech cluster was stage 3, and yeah, stage 3 wasn't too bad.

[viral crown]

There was 2 leeches towards the back. Far enough from everything else that the scout is a hassle to get.

[outer fiber]

didn't see them

[hollow summit]

holy christ that was so long

1:44:18, but we managed to finish even with the driller dropping early stage 2

screenshotted the results, it's in #drg-gallery

[outer fiber]

damn nice

the engi dying every 4 minutes though

[hollow summit]

engineer survivability is bad when you're surrounded and stunned

if I were engineer I'd definitely have more downs

I might be gold engineer but I haven't quite worked out how to not frigging get murdered when my teammates abandon me on haz 5

[outer fiber]

dash helps

but yes

[hollow summit]

I have dash, and I still get fricking murdered. though the dash does briefly save me from murder events

I only survived that second stage of the EDD with as few downs as that by using special powder as a GTFO technique

I used it a lot

[outer fiber]

[hollow summit]

I feel like I run out of breach cutter so fast

my usual load is MPA shotgun and fat boys

I'm just not used to having a supply of like... ammo

[feral atlas]

fat boy is like the worst self defense option you can get

[hollow summit]

yeah, yeah, not optimal, I know

[feral atlas]

well, that's why you're dying that mcuh

[hollow summit]

The trick is to use it on the front of a huge swarm

[outer fiber]

it's far from being the worst

[feral atlas]

no; that belongs to the unstable BC ones

but it's not far behind

[hollow summit]

what's a good BC load then

[feral atlas]

the cleans

either one, but I pick the damage one

extra mag is also extra ammo

[hollow summit]

right, because you start with a full mag

[feral atlas]

I use it for the increase lifetime

so I can skip that mod

and get + ammo and + mag mods, while still keeping some of the range of the beam

[hollow summit]

okay, how about 22113 with lighter cases?

[feral atlas]

why are you taking more damage?

on row 2

[hollow summit]

well, I was taking wider line on tier 2, but I never felt like I was murdering the praetorians enough with a single shot

[feral atlas]

armor breaking is also pointless

you don't; you put 2 beams in a preat at most

[viral crown]

try stubbies, 2 turrets, hyper propellant and prox grenades.

[feral atlas]

I use 211222 w/ strong plasma curret as much stock build and change mods for mutators

[outer fiber]

ah yes, talking about the worst self-defense option you can get, HP is probably the one

[feral atlas]

at least it dosn't kill you in close quarters

[hollow summit]

stubbies feel like I'm starving for ammo all the time

[outer fiber]

it's not a meme but it's not for self-defense

each OC their utilities

[hollow summit]

I take hyperpropellant on elimination missions, where I miss 1/3 of the shots anyways, but it still hurts the dreds

[feral atlas]

ok, the build for "I can't or don't want to have to trust my teammates" is just minishells, BC with cleans, double sentry w/ defender, and mines

no memes, no gimmicks, no dependencies, just good ammo economy and good enough dps

minishells is just the obvious build

[hollow summit]

I've been forcing myself to slow down on the MPA shotgun and I've been getting much better results than my old stupid "hold the trigger down" strategy

[feral atlas]

60 damage + fire rate

[outer fiber]

MPA is really good, I can't play anything else on the warthog

[hollow summit]

yeah there's nothing like being able to snipe a webspitter

[feral atlas]

mpa is ok but relies on your AoE classes not sucking with their ammo efficiency

[hollow summit]

I don't even run the choke mod, just MPA 11322

[feral atlas]

minishells is what you get when you don't 'want to rely on anybody but yourself

anything too accuracy based suffers when you try to hard carry

[hollow summit]

I can always tell when the crowd control classes aren't doing their fricking jerbs by my shotgun shell reserves

[feral atlas]

because when 40 grunts want a piece of your ass you can't exactly take the time to aim at the writhing pile of bodies

yeah, you might have perfect aim with mpa

but when one grunt's ass clips into another grunts face

that doesn't exactly help

[hollow summit]

I don't, but I forced myself to actually aim at faces close up and it helped me a lot because my old tactic was "be dumb"

[feral atlas]

point is, minishells has the spam power to deal with messy situations

mpa doesn't really; anything that requires too much aim suffers when things get messy

same reason why autocannon excels in clusterfucks while minigun requires noticably more effort

shoot feet, get kills

and with carpet bomber, you shoot the wrong side of the map, and you still get kills

[wraith shard]

Man I join a public for one deep dive and guess what happens

[outer fiber]

You win smoothly and rock & stone

[wraith shard]

gold tier 3 driller gets mad at another player, calls them retarded and kills everyone during extract and then suicides

[outer fiber]

wut

[wraith shard]

basically the pure opposite of rock & stone

[outer fiber]

real asshole behavior here

was he the host ?

if not, he should've been kicked the moment he insulted the other player

[wraith shard]

no but you can't kick during extract

[outer fiber]

true

[supple quarry]

Guess he dived too deep and lost his sanity 👀
Every day another reason to do private game 😌

[wraith shard]

for real

[dreamy dragon]

Maybe he's an undercover glyphid agent

[wraith shard]

Possible, maybe one of those fungal zombie spider things but in glyphid form had gotten a hold of him

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[white marten]

He drank too much blackout stout

[gritty venture]

can't wait

[zenith wind]

Will we see the famed "triple Doretta"?

[little cove]

"No brain? No aim? SoldierGunner main!"

[abstract rain]

It's coming

Triple Doretta, Volatile guts/Shield Disruption/Lethal Enemies gooo

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[abstract rain]

EDD Let's go

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Last Pearl
Stage 1: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Mactera Plague
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Hiveguard + Twins) + 📡 1 Black Box | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Exploder Infestation!

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Jagged Arm
Stage 1: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Twins + Classic) + 📡 1 Black Box | Parasites
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + 1 Dreadnought (Hiveguard) | Low Oxygen

[supple quarry]

Escort let's go !

[exotic flax]

lethal enemy escort

dear god

[supple quarry]

That's pog
And in magma, it's going to be a fun ride

[quiet mortar]

Been a long while since we've had Magma Core in Deep Dives

[idle warren]

lethal escort edd? at least its on stage-1...

[quiet mortar]

Don't hold your breath, can still reappear on Stage 3

[idle warren]

hopefully i will get a shotgun overclock this time... i have 1-2 overclocks for every gun except warthog

[zenith wind]

No, no, stage 3 will be "exploder infestation". Calling it now.

[quiet mortar]

Probably XD

[idle warren]

Ah man, the exploders is what made me fail a solo on stage3 last time

Fuckers are silent

[white marten]

Magma

Core

:))))

Oh escort lethal enemies

Let's gooo

[supple quarry]

Give us a stage 3 dreads shield disruption

[white marten]

Hurt me

[viral tulip]

I'm really hoping for a haunted refinery in there

[abstract rain]

More boring than hard

[supple quarry]

I wouldn't care, it always focus my brother so it'd be a classic mission for me

[white marten]

I don't know what I did to him
It's like I attract them or something

[hazy wave]

Awaiting Dive Info...

[supple quarry]

They smell your weakness 😏

[gleaming tinsel]

Ohh.. cool... more Drill Dozer...

[outer fiber]

Dreadnoughts (Twins
god damnit

not again

[idle warren]

how is there not a Doretta emote

[quiet mortar]

I have no idea! I really wish there was lol

(Honestly, if I we just had Mission Emotes, my job would be so easy)

[buoyant sun]

How long do deep dives take and do you have to do all 3 missions in one sitting?

[outer fiber]

@quiet mortar that would be nice if you removed your outdated messages in pinned

[supple quarry]

My wish has been heard

[outer fiber]

[quiet mortar]

I'll be updating it when I have all the Stage Info, don't worry.

[outer fiber]

I mean, there still is a message from january pinned

[supple quarry]

Ok now, a little PE or refinery to wrap things up nicely

[outer fiber]

you're evil

[quiet mortar]

Oh there is, weird.

I sadly don't have Pin options so not much I can do. :(

[outer fiber]

you can delete your message

[quiet mortar]

Oh true

[outer fiber]

You're the best

[supple quarry]

Oh eggs really ?

[supple quarry]

Maybe I am who knows

[hazy wave]

oh god mactera plague

[outer fiber]

air army again ?

damn

oh in the normal dd

[abstract rain]

Dude bosco is legit EDD

Second time soloing a mission offline

[outer fiber]

borco OP

[idle warren]

bosco is pretty god-tier

risk-free revives, flight for getting ceiling eggs/aquarqs/nitra, endless ammo, ice rockets and electro bullets

[hazy wave]

What do y'all use for your bosco config?

[idle warren]

stronger bullets, extra revive, ice rocket, electro bullets

[hazy wave]

Ok, that's the same as mine

[idle warren]

great minds

[hazy wave]

I've been wondering if it's worth taking the better mining speed over the damage

[idle warren]

no

you dont need more speed when its safe to mine

you need more speed when its time to kill

on Deep Dives, at least

[hazy wave]

Hmm, true

[viral tulip]

Dreads

[torn condor]

so um

is this current elite deep dive possible?

[outer fiber]

wdym

every edds are possible

[torn condor]

if i had an organized team maybe id see it but after failing it 4 times with randos it seems incredibly brutal

[quiet mortar]

Just gotta find the right team

[torn condor]

have you tried it?

its like 3x harder than all the other edds ive done

[quiet mortar]

You kidding, that looks Brutal! No way I'm getting past Stage 1

[torn condor]

stage 1 is mostly fine

stage 2 is just the most massive roadblock ever

the map is generated with like a refinery at the top of a huge pit where you spawn in the bottom of

[little radish]

oh last weeks EDD

yeah you gotta zipline out of that pit ASAP

[torn condor]

ohh it just got updated

agh

[little radish]

🤣

[torn condor]

yeah you should but unless you instakill the breeder you just cant lol

also eggs dont help

[deft kite]

ahem sentry 1222

[hazy wave]

Don't have my engie promoted sadly. I'm close

[deft kite]

are you na east ?

[supple quarry]

Previous EDD was beyond fine, I won't dare call it easy since it's subjective
But the only thing in the all 3 stages was, that you didn't have a plane map, you had to climb a bit
But it's not like every class had tool to do so

[hazy wave]

North America east?

[deft kite]

a good driller can make tunnel and that made the verticality trivial

[deft kite]

yessir

[hazy wave]

Then yes

[deft kite]

running dd right now then edd

join me if you want

i named it i train you for deep dives or something like that

[supple quarry]

I wouldn't call someone good for using his tool as intended and do his basic job
But let's call it that way ^^"
A scout has his zippy so he doesn't care
A driller can drill tunnel as he wishes
Gunners can setup series of ziplines and transform the map as you were doing a tree-climbing parkour
Engie got his platforms gun and make staircases

[hazy wave]

Thanks for the offer, but I don't think my physics teacher would appreciate that 😆

[deft kite]

tell him coulomb is weak sauce

[supple quarry]

That being said on refinery topic obviously engie/driller shines, not gonna lie

[floral tusk]

how is the new edd is the caves hard to navigate?

[torn condor]

building a staircase up that stage 2 was impossible rip

even just ziplining up there was impossible

youd get swarmed immediately

i can see it being done for sure if you have a squad youre coordinated with

but with randos idk

maybe i just got hella unlucky

[outer fiber]

oh last week's edd was almost impossible with randos tbh

I suggest you try doing them alone or with people you know in cases like this

or get lucky

[torn condor]

guess i shoulda joined the discord earlier

[wicked storm]

Egg again management really like omlets

[burnt sandal]

They have a lot of hungry dwarves to feed

[supple quarry]

I guess part of my opinion is biased since I premade as duo everything

[torn condor]

bugs in omeletes mmm

[supple quarry]

That being said, at least on paper, it had nothing special as en EDD

[torn condor]

i wish my duo was still around ;-;

[wicked storm]

I prefer more beer 🍺

[hazy wave]

XD will do

[supple quarry]

Nothing is impossible, just, DO IT

[little radish]

eggs for EDD stage 3 again? time to do the egg -> run to bunker strat 😎

[supple quarry]

Jokes aside, I did play gunner on this one and did zipline up there, so it is

[wicked storm]

Someone have a good build for a pyro driller on edd ?

[torn condor]

id do it but i got 20 of those little blue zappy fellas up my ass and theres just nothing i can do ;-;

[outer fiber]

you forgot the "-> die to a bulk"

[wicked storm]

Kill them and build your stair

[supple quarry]

what did you have class(es) / weapons ?

[little radish]

not with evasive tunnel maneuvers

just start screaming and tunnel kite the bulk

[wicked storm]

[torn condor]

i was always playin engi

often low on ammo unless i saved hard the previous stage

[supple quarry]

Stay in front of your turret, maybe add a thorn if you're unsure and jelly should be fine

[torn condor]

oh is thorn enough to kill the lil guys?

[supple quarry]

And if you're feeling it, fire a PGL round on one of the jelly standing in kinda the middle of the pack, even more effective

Thorn maxed out kill on hit jellies and swarmers on H5, at least as duo, I don't know how it handles itself on H5 4 people since health scales up

[torn condor]

oooooh

that seems more valid now

[outer fiber]

thorn one shot 1 swarmer or jelly every 0.75 second

it helps

[torn condor]

the passive perks always seem mostly useless

[supple quarry]

You just have to know that it has a small cd on it, like if 10 jellies hit you at the same time, it will not proc on all of them at once
They have to come one after another with slight delay

Ah blank already mentioned it

[torn condor]

i always go speed boost, more heal, resupply fast

[little radish]

vampire forever

[ocean kraken]

lots of drilldozers lately

[supple quarry]

Speed boost ? The one that makes you run faster after X time ?

[torn condor]

ye

[supple quarry]

Ok I don't like calling things bad, but I'll have to call this one bad

[wicked storm]

Because dolly is on fire 🔥

[torn condor]

ye cause mostly in combat all the time

what others would you call good tho

[supple quarry]

Yup maybe if you do speedruns you might want the few times of it activating to save somes seconds
But other than that I see no use of it

[wicked storm]

The speed is not bad in the mining mission when we return to the pod

[supple quarry]

Mmh depends on the mission and the class you play and mostly what you feel you need

[wicked storm]

Other than that dunno

[hazy wave]

Thorns is really good on solo

[wicked storm]

Thorns is really good

[supple quarry]

Even you know if it bothers you, stand in the middle of the road, call the pod, make your way where it lands
Half way done already and you will have all the time you need to make 3 times the travel

[torn condor]

born ready is pretty good i guess

depends on the class

[wicked storm]

Mmmmh true

[supple quarry]

Yup I think i have it on all of them except driller

[torn condor]

some of them are just

when are you ever going to use farther flares?

[supple quarry]

when you don't have scout

[wicked storm]

But in reality to lazy for doing that xD

[supple quarry]

To checks ceilings or else

[torn condor]

guess im never usually in that situation

unstoppable also seems pretty useless

[supple quarry]

Same I just call it when I'm done and walk the path the game gives me, make it a fun ride when it's getting chaotic

[torn condor]

think ive only been close to dying one cause of goo

[supple quarry]

Try it in glacial strata 😉

[wicked storm]

If i can i just drill the way to the pod

[torn condor]

oh but ice is fun

[supple quarry]

Works during storms, on snow ground things

[torn condor]

ohhhh

hm

still so situational

[wicked storm]

Fungus too

[supple quarry]

sure, I do change my loadout everytime depending on biome / what dwarves we have

[torn condor]

what about armor rig, what upgrades do you go for?

[supple quarry]

Sure, and sand storm I guess
in the end anything that should slow you down

[wicked storm]

Yup

[torn condor]

ik but its never really like

a huge issue

[little radish]

i run 3213 for all classes armor

[torn condor]

i dont think youll ever lose a run to it

[supple quarry]

For fungus I'd rather go with an engie and put platforms on ground, that's usually long path of glues that you find ^^"

[hazy wave]

Can't you just use your laser pointer

[torn condor]

i go 1211

[supple quarry]

I'd rather not spend 20m poitning my lazer at every dark pixel of every rooms I enter in

[torn condor]

yeah im just used to always picking one scout at least

[hazy wave]

Personally I go with upgrade 2 on level 3

[torn condor]

i love flares too much lol

elemental insulation is the only perk i think is mostly always good

[outer fiber]

for this week's edd, if you take elemental insulation, not only you will be more resistant to the magma core's fire but you will have 80% resistance to the praetorians/acid spitters poisons. I love running it on my engi and even more on magma biome

[torn condor]

ye is good

[wicked storm]

I love having a scout who doesn't forget light

[burnt sandal]

Elemental insulation is always useful tbh

[torn condor]

i cant stand scouts that dont light lol

[supple quarry]

Armors I go +5 minerals space on driller and scout, shield regen on the 2 others
Then always shield unless it's a shield disruption or if I play cryo vampire driller
Then T3 there is only 1 choice
And finally +3s godmode on revives

[hazy wave]

It also protects against cold on the normal dd

[torn condor]

if youre not running out of flare charges as scout youre doing something wrong lol

[supple quarry]

I always have it when going into magma and radiation zone, elsewhere I'm better with something else

It does protect against basic things like said acid splitters, but since it's only on the dot it applies, it's very minimal
I don't feel like it will make any sort of difference in H5, but I may be wrong

[little radish]

whenever i dont run elemental insulation, i run sweet tooth

[torn condor]

man i wish perks were more important overall

idk

[little radish]

love me some sweet toof

[supple quarry]

Better like this imo, it gives a place to shine to every one of them since nothing is important enough to be gamechanging, but good enough to ease you depending on your needs

[hazy wave]

Personally I have a hard time choosing active perks

[supple quarry]

Unless it's dash, this one I'd be dumb to not book it as something above the rest

[little radish]

dash, ironwill/medic

dash mobility is too good to pass on

unless ur scout

[burnt sandal]

It also makes a difference against praetorian, heat changes and environmental damage as a whole

[torn condor]

iw/medic always gets use

[burnt sandal]

lot of chip damage that get reduced

[supple quarry]

I got you, to each their own nemesis
I'd mostly die when it comes to enemies to slashers rather than praetorians so I don't mind that perk too much outside of its environmental benefits 😄

[outer fiber]

acid poison hurt so much I wouldn't call it "very minimal" xD

[burnt sandal]

It's about 30% of the total damage of the acid spitter IIRC ?

[outer fiber]

the amount of time I rushed out of their spit and died few meters away because of their poison

[supple quarry]

Mmmh

[burnt sandal]

checking that out

[supple quarry]

Maybe I dunno I feel like dots or not I'd die to the same amount of hit, but like I said I may be wrong on this one

Considering I'm full health to begin with

[burnt sandal]

at most (haz 5.5 4p) it's 9 damage/tick during 2s

interval being 0.5/1s

Depending if it's 3 or 4 ticks, it's either 27 damage or 36. Which is about 35/50% of their total damage in one shot

so it is pretty substantial

But anyway, I just love the perk because it helps with a lot of stuff in general ^^

[supple quarry]

Sure

More damages than I thought in the end, thanks for the maths

In my experience I either spot an acid before it's too late and I won't be hit, or I don't see it and get rained on, and I felt like dots or not I'd be doomed anyway xD
But I see that on the worst case scenario it really hit hard

[burnt sandal]

Yeah I don't get hit often by them either now because I know how dangerous they are but it hurts less when it happens so I have a better chance to take them out before they kill me

[plush forge]

What about thorns? Does it make a difference in EDD? Does it work on those jellyfish zippers?

Zappers*

[burnt sandal]

It does

and it's useful against them

Mostly on engi and scout since AoE can be hard to access for those class (less so on engi but it needs shooting at your feet with the PGL...)

[supple quarry]

It is helpfull, some people may stand that if you don't get hit, you don't need it ... but yeah ... the famous "I've never been hit in my life" people
I never take it off of my scout

[torn condor]

i mean

if you use the volt smg primary

jellies arent an issue right?

[supple quarry]

You don't always run smg
And even, they may get behind you, or you may need to reload, or you may miss your shots ... or else I dunno :p
At some point even on a driller thorns isn't a waste, it the end it's just personal choices and preferences

[torn condor]

when do you run shotty over smg?

[burnt sandal]

I often run shotty over SMG

[supple quarry]

For now I don't, engie is my least played and I don't get the feel from the shotgun yet so I can't say

[burnt sandal]

Both are good, though the SMG is more CC oriented

I just like the shotgun better to take care of grunts

[torn condor]

shotgun feels really useless cause of no range

theres so much of not doing anything while the rest of the team shoots enemies down like flies and you just sit there ;-;

[burnt sandal]

Well yeah you're not really supposed to be sniping with any of engi's weapons

you can but it's not ideal

scout and gunner are both better at it

[torn condor]

ye it just feels bad when you cant contribute

[robust sedge]

Everyone has at least one other way they can contribute aside from raw combat potential

[rose current]

You can yeet pgl for range

[supple quarry]

With smg's spread you better not focus on range either. I was surprised by the shotgun range at first, played too many gun making the shottys inneffective past 5m, it was a nice surprise

[torn condor]

ye i mean when youre in a large cave and theres a menace too far away for shotty its just frustrating

and smg can shoot much further than it seems tbh

[little radish]

jus scream at your gunner/scout

everyone has their role to play

anyone tried out this weeks EDD?

[wraith shard]

EDD this week was ez. Sure there were Lethal Monsters and Low Oxy but we got lucky with the lack of special enemies.

[white marten]

Engi is supposed to control an area, not the entire cave, that's why he has low range weapons

But he is damn good at it sooo

[wraith shard]

@little radish Once you get past the first stage you're in the clear.

[little radish]

cheers shouldn't take us too many times this week then

[wraith shard]

Gl with the 3 Dreads

[hazy wave]

I kind of want to try DDs, I'm pretty comfortable on haz 4, but thinking I should probably wait

[wraith shard]

You could do regular DDs @hazy wave

They aren't much harder

[white marten]

+1

[hazy wave]

Sorry, I meant EDDs

I've done plenty of normal ones

[white marten]

You can give it a shot

[wraith shard]

Git gud at Hazard 5 first tho

Although this week's EDD is easier

your choice

[icy river]

Everytime reapeating again drilldozer

No liquid morkite no point extraction mission

[little radish]

there was liquid morkite last week

@icy river

[wintry root]

How about that hiveguard on ice fight in the second stage of the DD

Dreadnoughts every week is starting to wear me out. At least I have the core hunts

[supple quarry]

[exotic notch]

Where is the second mini mule on the 3rd stage of the regular DD?

[burnt sandal]

You should be able to see it on your map

[exotic notch]

oh I see

found it, awkward spot

[outer fiber]

you will like MPA

[exotic notch]

I cant

[wraith shard]

@exotic notch Have you tried up top?

[exotic notch]

Yeah I finished it

but I didnt see it on my map

just mined towards the sound

[spare lion]

Deep dive is better solo or multi?

Want to do my first one

[outer fiber]

depends what you mean by "better"

[spare lion]

Better for enjoying

And completing if possible

[outer fiber]

I mostly only enjoy them with other people

it's a chore to do solo

despite it can be easier

do them how you want, both are perfectly viable

[spare lion]

OK I think I'm gonna try solo first and then join with a basic experience

gonna be roasted if fail

[outer fiber]

you're not going to fail the normal deep dive if you do hazard 3 consistently

:3

[old basin]

imo EDD's are easier with a team
but normal DD's are just a glorified haz3 mission in practice

[spare lion]

Oh OK!

[supple quarry]

DDs are glorified H3, EDDs are glorified H5

[halcyon silo]

i play on haz4 like 90% of the time and am starting my foray into haz5, the EDDs so far have been hit or miss for me lol, just gotta get better i suppose. i say try it out, never know until you try

[old basin]

some EDDs can absolutely brutal, others extremely easy

a lot of the difficulty in them tends to come from environmental factors imo

since dreadful terrain tends to hurt a lot more on haz5 than haz3

[supple quarry]

The thing is DDs are the same to regulars H3 as EDDs are to regulars H5 players

It's just that most of people don't play H5, so when you add mutators, complex cave generation, and the fact that you have to make 3 of them in a row ... it starts to be rough

For regulars H5 players EDDs are just ... H5 missions, nothing else

[dusky spear]

What is the recommended order when there are eggs and Doretta? Wait for dotty to hit a refuel then grab a nearby egg?

[outer fiber]

no I'd do them at the end so I ain't bothered at the bugs attacking dotty

[dusky spear]

Yeah, that’s a good call.

[bright parcel]

this weeks edd has like no nitra compared to the last one imo

[finite vigil]

I mostly do H3 atm, feel that I need more practice with a particular class at a time if I wanna tackle 4/5

[supple quarry]

same as Blank, safest call is to pull them out after the escort, so you may not find yourself in a wave of egg + wave of escort at the same time

[pine scaffold]

how long til reset?

[supple quarry]

Really depend on what your weaknesses are, try to spot what make you fail higher hazards
Maybe you facetank bugs and you may learn to kite and it has nothing in common with class knowledge, jsut a example from X reason you could struggle

[odd comet]

It just reset today

[supple quarry]

1 week

[finite vigil]

@supple quarry I've only done H4 a couple of times and I was surprised by how big of a jump the difficulty was from 3

it dreads me to think of what 5 is like

[burnt sandal]

the jump is not as big, even though still significant

[radiant summit]

There are some videos on YT... they don't seem to stop shooting!

[supple quarry]

In between waves in H5 are clearly there, you won't need to wait management to call a wave to shoot walls of bugs (sometimes) 😄

[supple quarry]

I guess you base yourself on numbers and fact 😄
But may it be because of inexperience ? I think from H3 to H4 it's mostly that you encounter way more variations of bigger bugs
In H3 a guard feel like a shiney pokemon, while in H4 you start to see them more often along warden and stuff

[grand zodiac]

Yeah, I made the jump up to permanently H4 today, and have to say that I didn't need to wait long to get a good Steve candidate.

[finite vigil]

when I run Beastmaster I always wait to befriend a Guard or Slasher

[supple quarry]

yup when we go for DDs, we actually do ping guard, we have to look after one it's ridiculous, in H5 you can have waves of them xD

[burnt sandal]

For once, I base what I'm saying on experience more than facts, but I could for the facts if you want 😄

[finite vigil]

by all means, the more info I have, the better I can prepare for making the jump to 4/5

👍

[supple quarry]

That would be much appreciated
I felt like after some experience in the game that 3 and 4 were not that much of a difference, I feel like the bugs's speed and the in between spawn of H5 make it something else

[supple quarry]

I'm afraid I wouldn't be good advice on this, I started right way H4 and quickly switch on H5. The only time I did some H3, like maybe 10 missions ... ? was on solo when I just wanted to farm minerals and chill with some music on the bg

I guess, mostly kite, learn to kite really, a hit by a slasher and you can call yourself dead for example ... target's priority sense
Maybe also good positions / not being greedy. Spot a battle ground on every room you are, at any moment if it looks like the situation heats up, you have to know where to run and hold ...

[burnt sandal]

@finite vigil @supple quarry
(I always take numbers at 4 players)

damage scaling : 1.5 / 2.5 / 3.4 => slightly higher jump between haz 3 and 4
attack speed : 1.00 / 1.25 / 1.50 => linear scaling, not much here
Projectile speed : 1.00 / 1.30 / 1.70 => Slightly higher jump between haz 4 and 5
Move speed : 1.00 / 1.00 / 1.15 => Biggest jump in hazard 5 is the fastest bugs, no big surprise there
Friendly fire : 0.30 / 0.40 / 0.70 => big jump between haz 4 and 5
Environmental damage : 1.00 / 1.33 / 2.00 => same here
Revive Health : 0.40 / 0.20 / 0.10 => biggest from haz 3 to 4
Max health regeneration : 0.15 / 0.15 / 0.10 => haz 5 is the only change
Point Extraction scaler : 0.90 / 1.00 / 1.10 => linear scaling

I've been checking the resistances of the enemies as well. Lot of numbers so I'm not going to put them all down but :
Enemy count is a linear scaling
No resistance changes between haz 4 and 5 for normal enemies
Large enemies resistance (any big regular enemy basically) : Linear scaling
Extra large enemy resistance (Dreadnought and BET-C) : BIG jump between haz 3 and 4
Extra large 2 enemy resistance (Korlok) : No change between haz 4 and 5

Deep dives have a scaling of their own as well with the 3.5 and 5.5 difficulty

Overall it seems haz 5 is a slightly bigger jump in difficulty when looking at the numbers ^^

I think the movespeed of the enemies is the biggest factor

[supple quarry]

Oh thanks that's some good intels there

[burnt sandal]

all numbers can be found on the wiki page for the difficulty scaling

https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Difficulty_Scaling

[supple quarry]

I'll be kinda afk so I'll end up by throwing an idea in the air, but you may find it way more effective Strutsss to join a lobby of (a) regular(s) H5 player willing to teach
I don't know if sherpa is a common thing here, if it is, that would be the play to get ready faster for higher hazard

[finite vigil]

sherpa?

[supple quarry]

A guide
"Sherpa's are guides. Originally from Nepal, they would guide visitors on the mountains."

That's a well known notion around the Destiny 2 community (At least thats where I knew about the concept), sherpa would be people available to guide newcomers through harder content to teach them

I guess its a bit out of drg topic, but in D2's lfg discord, you have a closed channel where mods post messages from players, they thank and shout out names of people that helped them getting through like for example raids
So then players have a list of non toxic and skilled player that can get messaged to teach people

I'm still kinda new here, I don't know if there is known veterans here that provide such service

[burnt sandal]

There is

I do it myself sometimes

we don't really have a list though

[supple quarry]

Yup so you can ask Ser for example 🤓

I'd would not mind doing that kind of stuff from time to time, but I'm a terrible teacher, bad in english, and unsure of my own advices xD
Better ask to true and nice greybeards

[burnt sandal]

so far I'd say your english is decent so don't worry too much

Well I'm not a native speaker so take it with a grain of salt 😄

[supple quarry]

I have time to think about it when it comes to writing, when you're in comm, arf
I mean, baguette accent and so on haha

[burnt sandal]

I never go in vocal 😄

So that helps I guess

[supple quarry]

Oh 🥺
No blabla no fun
But if everyone knows what they have to do, its fine in this game

[burnt sandal]

I type fast

[outer fiber]

No blabla no fun
my social anxiety disagree

good thing talking is useless in this game

mostly, at least

[supple quarry]

I get over it by not playing with people at all xDDD
I mean I don't have like strong social anxiety, but it's still there

Or I don't mind talking with random, but selected random. Like if it was a game with someone I see often on the server being nice and chill, I'd not mind
otherwise, private

[burnt sandal]

anxiety gang, yaaay

[supple quarry]

Let's make a gathering of anxious people

[outer fiber]

need to find a 4th anxious french

[burnt sandal]

I know plenty

[supple quarry]

Samy or scout X are french, lets find out if they are anxious 🤓

[outer fiber]

lmao

[burnt sandal]

Actually we have at least... 8 regulars that are french I believe ?

Anyway, we should stop going off-topic now 😄

[supple quarry]

I was about to say that

Is it possible to get a haunted cave in DDs btw ?

[burnt sandal]

Yeah

First EDD ever was haunted cave IIRC

[supple quarry]

Ouch

I mean its not hard, its just ... annoying I guess

[burnt sandal]

I know you can't have haunted on an escort but that's about it

[supple quarry]

Fair enough

[outer fiber]

haunted on salvage seems as annoying

[burnt sandal]

I'm not sure you can get it on salvage either

I would need to check

[proper mauve]

well the DD was simple enough as engineer. EDD I'll probably do it with a friend. looking at the missions and the map Engineer and Driller seems good? Maybe Engineer and Scout

[outer fiber]

ok the wiki says you can't for salvage, but it doesn't say anything for escort

[burnt sandal]

I think it just need to be updated 😄

[outer fiber]

I'll trust you and add it

[supple quarry]

@proper mauve
I have to admit that driller in magma, I don't have much fun 😦
And with escort + dread maybe not the best

That being said nothing is impossible so

[proper mauve]

Driller in magma, yeah... It's just that Cryo is so good in general

[supple quarry]

Yeah sure 😄

[proper mauve]

Oh I said driller. I meant gunner lol

[supple quarry]

Gunner is good everywhere imo it sounds like a good choice

[proper mauve]

Mhm. It's pretty nice against stuff like lethal enemies too. Shield lets you resupply and revive for free

[supple quarry]

Its good to get bugs off doretta, kill rocks, tempo the dread, damage the dread, resupply, revive, "negates"canyons formations / cracks ...
The list goes on

[proper mauve]

yeah. Also, I imagine people already do this but Engineer is amazing at the drilldozer mission especially at the end with the magma core. Placing gemini sentries on top of the magma core does everything for you

[outer fiber]

I don't like doing that because it's annoying to go there every time I wanna ressuply lol

[proper mauve]

I just stay up there and go down for the resupply instead lol

[supple quarry]

I placed them behind doretta

One sligthly on the right, the other one same one the left
On platforms

Pickaxe a little part of it to get access to the turret from under if you want to min max the setup

[proper mauve]

I used to do the same but I found them to do way better against the rocks up there

[supple quarry]

Oh, I place them for the bugs anyway

[outer fiber]

exact same as mefy

especially the minmax part

[scarlet willow]

[outer fiber]

[supple quarry]

Oh and obviously, one mine on the right, one on the left
symmetrical Pog
Engie is so satisfying on escort

[modest inlet]

the only part i don't like is moving sentries up near doretta

but at least with gemini you always have one farther down the tunnel wearing down the bugs

[raven juniper]

just did edd with my friend who had really shoddy internet

spent 41min on the first mission waiting for them to eventually recocnnect

and then on the last 10hp of dread stage 2 he c4ed all of us on accident

👌

[bright parcel]

i wait like 4 secs between me throwing a c4

and me detonating it

enough time for people to process what i'm doing and not walk into the circle

[proper mauve]

lol last week my friend had terrible internet problems (over 800ms when he usually has around 50) so he decided to leave in the middle of an EDD. we discovered him joining back and leaving again gives bosco all his revives back so we used that to finish the second stage. I spent over an hour on that one map and died 17 times

I'm pretty sure that counts as cheating, but also that map was bullshit so I don't care about cheesing it like that

[raven juniper]

that's really crazy the game doesn't remember, lol

[outer fiber]

we discovered him joining back and leaving again gives bosco all his revives back so we used that to finish the second stage

I kinda want to report it on jira lmao

because that's mostly not intended and thus a bug

[proper mauve]

shhh I didn't say anything...

[outer fiber]

if you want to cheat you have better ways anyway

[ancient beacon]

this week's EDD is excellent

[outer fiber]

'-'

[ancient beacon]

5 out of 5 stars

I never thought I'd see a low O2 mactera plague spitballer cluster

but here we are

the mactera trijaw is a great addition

those things are fucking murder if you leave them unchecked for 10 seconds

and stage 3 spawns 4+ of them in every single wave

this is what EDD should be like every week

[modest inlet]

whats the draw of EDD as opposed to DD?

difficulty? rewards?

masochism?

[outer fiber]

just difficulty

[viral tulip]

Yes

[outer fiber]

and since it gives the same rewards you double them

[viral tulip]

Difficulty, rewards, masochism

[deft kite]

you get the reward twice instead of once

not as in you get double the amount in edd

but more like

you get the same reward but since you are doing the dd and the edd you get it 2 times

[modest inlet]

huh, interesting

[deft kite]

i mean it's also meant to be harder

[modest inlet]

so masochism

got it

[deft kite]

not really

most of the time it's super easy

like first try didn't break a sweat super easy

[modest inlet]

good to hear you're a god

[deft kite]

lol this isn't even close to being a god they are very accessible

it would suck if they just made it absurdly impossibly hard

most people wouldn't play them

[outer fiber]

most people don't play them already

[deft kite]

there always plenty of lobbies

i guess it depends where you live and at what time you play but login NA east around 8 and you'll have plenty of people

[outer fiber]

that's not most of people

[deft kite]

then again i never made the claim most people play it

[outer fiber]

idk you said "most people wouldn't play them" like that's not already the case

[deft kite]

i feel it isn't but if you have some stats to make your arguments i'd be curious to see them

[outer fiber]

you're just in your own world

[deft kite]

also define what's the percentage of most player cause i'm thinking 95%+

[outer fiber]

yeah I'd say about 90%+

[deft kite]

damn i'd love to see you back up your statement with numbers then

since you're the one claiming more than 90% of player don't engage with the content

[outer fiber]

yeah I'm 100% sure at least 90% of the active playerbase doesn't do EDDs

a lot of them aren't even promoted or can't do the lethal assignment

like I said you're in your own world, I can see that the moment you said edds are super easy

[deft kite]

you just need to have a promoted dwarf

you don't even need the lethal assignment