You gon' die on first swarm peasant
#deep-dive-discussion
white marten
abstract rain
Do I need to log in and out to do the new DD?
Because I keep trying to que and its doing last weeks name?
quiet mortar
While you don't have to restart to play it, you do need to to select it
cursive path
EDD stage 2 liquid morkite 2 eggs regenerative bugs
cobalt hemlock
lotta 2-eggers
tight heron
anyone got stage 3 yet?
flat terrace
im saying it
stage 2 of EDD sucks
also stage 3 of EDD is 6 eggs and repair 2 mini mules with cave leech clusters
hushed vale
Are we supposed to do an omelette this week with all those eggs?
quiet wyvern
Hmm, maybe I'll skip both this week, not into guarding Dotty right now
opal rivet
hey look, no shield disrupt
cobalt fiber
Hmm, maybe I'll skip both this week, not into guarding Dotty right now
Next week's EDD: three Dorettas š
white marten
Would be fun
hallow forge
Whats the deep dives?
supple quarry
Better idea, 3 escorts, but 1 doretta
If she get damaged in stage 1, she remains in the same state onto the next stages
hallow forge
Can someone pin that guys messege
viral crater
How is the DD this week
cobalt fiber
Don't get the devs any crazy ideas please.
white marten
I mean ... some players are in need of more challenges
I know that's not the case for everyone
But personnaly, I would like a VERY challenging difficulty
Something that you go into and you know that you're gonna get pummelled
Yes I'm saddistic
cobalt fiber
Remove overclocks and mods and see how you do on Haz5.
vital sierra
Why deleted?
next pebble
@vital sierra you were already pinged and told discussion of that topic is not allowed on this server. You'll be muted the next time you do so.
vital sierra
What??? oO So, gl.
hallow valve
i found this weird blue dot thing on the map but i can't find in the game. I have dug out where its suppose to be but there is nothing there.
supple quarry
Remove overclocks and mods and see how you do on Haz5.
Already done.
That being said, it's not that much fun, even if it's a subjective notion. But real difficulty make you think on strategies, composition, loadouts ... getting rid of everything is challenging for sure, but it's as fun as it sounds
hazy wave
We got refinery on DD, let's go!
supple quarry
i found this weird blue dot thing on the map but i can't find in the game. I hav...
Was it maybe your waypoint showing up on your map ?
supple quarry
Yes
hallow valve
hehe whoops
hot gazelle
Bungus fogs again 
hot gazelle
Also, egg festival. Going to need to enforce discipline so we don't get double swarmed.
AFAIK you want to pop the eggs in the first stage after doing the heartstone, but in the second stage you gotta do the eggs first to avoid getting perma swarmed.
Do mini mules trigger waves?
They certainly used to in salvage missions but idk if deep dives are different.
unborn minnow
I'd assume not but I'm not sure myself
wraith shard
That EDD refinery is awful, refinery is at the top while 2 of the pumpjacks are all the way at the bottom. Not fun 4/10
hazy wave
Do mini mules trigger waves?
I don't think they do so even on normal salvage missions
It's when you walk up to them
Not when you repair
As per the wiki
wintry root
This weekās DD is garbage. Played for over an hour and only managed to get a blank core. Dreadnought in terrible terrain plus exploders and oppressors. Beat the first leg on my second attempt. Then second leg has more dreads, regrnerating oppressors and tri jaws
Not used to fighting the original dread style any more especially on this difficulty. Killed me with a 360 attack
I should just get some pros to carry me thru DDs till I get all the weapon overclocks
quiet wyvern
@cobalt fiber don't test me ok, not in the mood for it
quiet wyvern
Whatever
cobalt fiber
(Supposedly.)
quiet wyvern
I know it's random, I just don't care
viral tulip
Throwback to a couple weeks ago where we had 3 morkites in one deep dive
and I think two of them were paired with eggs
quiet wyvern
That's alot of omelets
supple quarry
I should just get some pros to carry me thru DDs till I get all the weapon overc...
You don't need any OC to get through DDs, but that's a good idea to find some sherpas to play with, community is very nice you may find veterans willing to teach you stuff š
crystal jungle
wintry root
Why thorns?
You learn how to stay out of the way
Oh I thought they could spawn anywhere
Kind of like the worm trawler on sand dunes
odd rover
Naedocytes don't have specific biomes I thought?
Huh, nvm, wiki says otherwise.
I just assumed they were a common enemy, only really occurred to me now that I've seen them in literally just those two biomes.
wintry root
Just got hipster from the weekly core hunt
odd rover
One week gave me hipster, face melter, turret arc, and inferno
scarlet willow
ocean kraken
that was the least cancer escort ive had in a while on an edd
maybe i just got lucky with a coordinated team first try but its still refreshing
then driller ragequit super early in stage 2
hot gazelle
Boo
raw coyote
This weeks EDD wasnt that bad
leaden cypress
Stage 2 was annoying as hell
celest oasis
stage 1 was pretty chill for edd
stage 2 had two bulks spawn it was heck xD
gl going stage 2 without a driller xd
formal thorn
pretty excited to do the first two stages and then check out for the last one.
If only the EDD had doretta on the last stage as well. Then we could just force fail and not waste the time.
The reason is actually in the comment.
hardly
not at all, you keep all cores for successful stages. The last stage is a cosmetic core, and I'm not too worried about them. If doretta was the last stage every time it spawned, I would greatly prefer that. I wouldn't need to do the mission at all to get cores worth getting.
that isn't something I'm concerned about.
Yes I am.
You must think I'm clueless
wintry root
At a rate of about 0.1 extra weapon clock per cosmetic clock
formal thorn
If it takes me even 5 more weeks to get all of the weapon overclocks, I don't care, so long as I don't have to actually play doretta. I would pay $50 more dollars to never play doretta again.
wintry root
Game has been messing with me all day. Tyrant seed killed me on my way back to the drop pod after the hardest haz 2 hive guard
I canāt get behind the stupid thing
Time to haz 1 this assignment
formal thorn
this is the way
wintry root
I donāt hate Doretta but Iāve never tried her above haz 3
One overclock for every 5 overclocks. But half of them are cosmetic that you get from@forge mastery
formal thorn
You're creating a false dichotomy.
wintry root
Patch 34 is mod support
burnt sandal
Patch 34 is mod support
And weapon balance.
wintry root
You have at least 4 months to get the rest of the overclocks
I thought you meant ābefore new weapons dropā
also, the game gave me the useless 800 ammo minigun overclock
i dont know if the breach cutter inferno is also useless
maybe i can get something good next
burnt sandal
Inferno is pretty bad. Compact feed mechanism is alright.
wintry root
Whatās the point of sandstorms pushing you into dead ends? Give you time to get a drink?
hazy comet
burning hell is really good if you pair it with volatile bullets bulldog
you can 2 shot most things with it
wintry root
Yeah I donāt have either of those yet though
hushed vale
Why do you need a driller when you can dig a hole with a team of 4 fatboy engineers?
wintry root
The huuli hoarders arenāt as hard on haz1
hazy comet
because you need a team of 4 fatboy engineers to do a driller's job :)
driller best dwarf you cant change my mind
burnt sandal
If anyone wants to know about the DD and EDD
wintry root
Imagine doing 3 complexity pipe mission without a driller
Platform gun is a poor substitute for drills
Ok Iāll stop spamming the dd chat
white marten
Stop being delusional
half hill
Pipe mission are more fun without driller
kind bough
drills and platforms can be used pretty interchangeably most of the time
half hill
with all the funky path you need to make
kind bough
in the sense that if you don't have either, welcome to suffering
population you
wrangling with annoying-ass pipe controls trying to get it to sit in a spot it won't complain about
half hill
4 gunner
Lava zone
Platform drop in the bottom of a pit
idle warren
Repairing pipes in a drilled tunnel is hit or miss
Cover from mactera, but tunnels seem to be deathtraps in Haz5
supple quarry
In a tunnel, you're not locked with them, they're locked with you 
idle warren
As a driller or breach cutter, sure
As a gunner or scout without penetrating ammo on their primary, haha bye
nova fossil
laughs in c4
pure notch
*doom/doom eternal sound track intensifies.
hazy comet
you should always be running something with blowthrough anyways
not doing it is a huge waste of ammo
bright parcel
Scout shotgun blowthrough or gunner stickies are good in tunnels
lilac copper
does dotty release o2?
round flare
does dotty release o2?
yes
pine scaffold
what are the 3 stages in this weeks edd
bright parcel
This weeks edd took forever to do
rigid dove
It's a long one
But both the DD and EDD were fine and dandy for me
Easy first tries
bright parcel
Yea
Just the edd took so long
Also played with 3 peeps only so that may be a factor
Swarms never stopped coming
quiet wyvern
yea some folks just don't completely understand coordination, communication, and of course team work
which i understand
keen raptor
tawdry quest
The Refinement in stage 2 of the EDD is really fun
Cool map
It's Scout heaven (except for the jellies and swarmers in the spawn pool)
It took us about 30 minutes to set up and I was still finding Nitra veins I had missed the entire time
pure notch
i would agree
except i just lost right before finishing the extraction lol and i am NOT happy lol
viral tulip
It's really not a bad one
noble flower
drilldozer and refinery are my two least favorite types on high hazards
I prefer to solo missions but I do not want to be forced to play driller just to get through the second stage
beat stage one, saw the three pumpjacks that were 100 meters below the refinery and then killed myself four times
formal thorn
In the deep dive stage 3 with 11 supply drops on the ground
thorny kernel
just want to say
the EDD oil mission
is one of the worst missions I've ever done
that
SUCKED
formal thorn
Ok we ended with about 13 pods. Man alive the nitra
thorny kernel
wow that final drop pod placement in the EDD really is the final fuck you huh
obsidian sail
did it with sniff. standard one was fine. edd was hell. you ever get a twins swarm in the middle of an elite deep dive?
i am going to email ghost ship a video of me crying into my webcam
thorny kernel
whats their PO Box so I can sent them a jar of my tears
ember mural
Solo Driller with Sticky Flames....... took me almost 2 hours, but damn, that EDD was not a pretty experience, especially stage 2....... had to make the most convoluted pipes and tunnels to reach the pumpjacks. Stages 1 and 3 were fairly mild by EDD standards.
tulip mirage
is anyone up for a deep dive in maybe like 10 minutes? i just tried and failed with a team. the fungus bogs are the worst
fresh escarp
I was doing the DD with PhoenixReviving and she screamed: BIG DICK ENERGY during a classic dread fight
Then power attacked and killed the dread
celest sluice
fresh escarp
dies of laughter
viral crater
Anyone willing to take a greenie into an EDD in about 9 hours ornsk
dark arch
hoooooooooollllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy fuck the second mission
4 bulks more oppressors than i can count ran out of like 450 nitra
had 3 gunner and we didnt make it
also fuck nanocita
and swarmers
a fuck ton of small enemies that take out you sheilds in 2 to 3 bites is broken
especially when 50 spawn in one second
bright parcel
3 gunners seems not necessary
outer fiber
pastel wasp
At a rate of about 0.1 extra weapon clock per cosmetic clock
0.125, the 'extra' core from leveling the forge cancels out one of the spots, so it takes 4 more cores to fill each new level (0.25), then half of the level up cores are weapons (0.125)
unborn acorn
man what a waste of time trying to solo this weeks EDD
xynarch are impossible to deal with as driller other than spinning around like you have a spinbot and hoping you kill them
i dont understand why a single one of them zapping you kills all your momentum instantly
burnt sandal
xynarch ? The parasite on BET-C ?
unborn acorn
oops
i meant the stupid jellyfish zapper things
whatever
i dislike them enough that i forgot their name
feral atlas
this EDD needs a non-incompetent engi
burnt sandal
Yeah naedocytes are dangerous in higher hazard
feral atlas
i've done it twice now
I wouldn't trust any bronze engi with this
there are so many small targets it's actually dumb
unborn acorn
i finished a rough 2nd liquid morkite mining and has no revs left on bosco and went to jump over this pit that was a simple jump, but SINGLE naeocyte zapped me and i plummeted to my death because they completely kill your momentum
unborn acorn
i also just really dislike the massive vertical ness to the biome
feral atlas
the guy actually had carpet bomber
thing is, he was also bad
but engi should outfrag on this EDD by merely breathing
I could have spent half my time drooling at a wall and still probably hit 800 kills
unborn acorn
idk if everyone's missions are exactly the same or whatever, but my luqid mining head also spawned directly above my pumpjack so i had to drill a spiral pipeline going down which resulted in me going down from a swarm that spawned
i'll just have to stay away from anything past the 1st mission of the EDD from now on since i really only play solo
feral atlas
my first attempt I was gunner, and the engi was using mkII + hawkeye
I think I felt physically ill once I realized it
I still won, but I think i lost a bit of my sanity in the process
outer fiber
xynarch are impossible to deal with as driller other than spinning around like y...
do you run radiance ?
feral atlas
ummmmm
outer fiber
well now you see one of the reasons to run it
unborn acorn
yes
feral atlas
it's worth on haz5 solely because it passive clears enemies around you
the other choice is not worthless, but almost pointless given that a lot of the time targets simply die to burn DoT
unborn acorn
oh yeah i forgot the explode doesnt trigger on dot
feral atlas
....
unborn acorn
oh well
its what i get for not playing for awhile
i got my blank core thats all i care about
unborn acorn
nty lmao, im not going through that 1st one again solo
outer fiber
you will have an easier time though !
unborn acorn
but the first mission wasn't annoying because i didn't have radiance it was just annoying cuz its a slow escort mission
esp now that it wont have a reward
outer fiber
oh oki
feral atlas
you need engi for this one
unborn acorn
i just wish there were dailies to do instead of just weeklies
feral atlas
no
I despise dailies, might as well save edit at that point if the game is going to try to force you to play every day
unborn acorn
not for cores obv, just some objectives to do for minerals or something
or even just like, exp or something idk. would give me an incentive to play more than twice a week
and not be overbearing
feral atlas
if the game is not good enough to play without time gated rewards
it's not good enough to play; find something else
outer fiber
I kinda disagree with that
unborn acorn
Moreso just a lack of incentive besides levelling dwarves which is a moot purpose besides like...idk meeting the standards of tryhard players?
feral atlas
if the only thing making it good is increasing the time frequency of the skinner box mechanic
then you're not playing for the game itself
outer fiber
at some point on a lot of games you want to optimise the time you spend on them and you can be fine just playing it when the weekly rewards are available
feral atlas
but rather the rush of progression, which you can get from nearly every game
unborn acorn
Like once you got the upgrades for weps and equipment, and maybe a few promotions and what not, the only 'optional' things to grind for are Beers that are fun for a few times with friends who are new, the Miner's Manual, Achievements, and Promotions
unborn acorn
Yeah but if there's dailies that aren't overbearing how are they cancer
they just give you something to do besides pray for a double xp or modifier you want
outer fiber
yeah there could be a daily mission giving you a simple exp multiplier or something
unborn acorn
it would take a veyr long time to unlock every overclock and cosmetic
and even then
by then you've gotten your plays worth
so if you decide to stop, you got your worth of the game
dailies would help keep you playing while waiting for the next weekly reset of the dd's and weekly core hunt
feral atlas
look, in that case, your perfect game is an MMO or looter game like diablo
unborn acorn
wdym, you're acting like i dont like DRG
Like take yourself for example, once you do the EDD and DD and all weeklies what do you do? Stop playing, or do you just grind missions with modifiers to get promotions?
feral atlas
I just played haz5 pubs
because I like shooting things
I don't give a shit about promotions in and of themselves
if they happen, they happen
but I don't go out of my way to xp optimize or grind them
unborn acorn
Which works, now imagine if on top of that you had a daily mission that would give you bonus exp, or minerals or something, not necessarily something huge but imagine if it was just useful, it wouldn't be overbearing on a player, it'd just be "woah cool a double exp daily on glacial strata morkite mission!"
im not saying its necessary, it'd just be a nice thing to have to do
feral atlas
DRG is perfect without some sort of mechanic like dailies that make people burn out on it because certain personalities will feel like they must do it every day
plus, all it will do is further narrow down the mission variety
as a good chunk of the lobbies will purely be the daily
unborn acorn
i dont really see your logic when the daily wouldnt have massive rewards
just like a bonus daily sdouble exp or something
feral atlas
people are simple creatures
they can and will just grind the daily mission
Killing floor 2 also had dailies
unborn acorn
okay...so then that's okay i guess? If a grinding daily missions on the game would burn someone out because "they're not hitting max levels of optimization" idk what to say
feral atlas
and it was ass
unborn acorn
Killing floor 2 went downhill the minute they added microtransactions for guns
wasn't the dailies at all
feral atlas
dailies made it ass because the random objectives made people play in ways that were not playing to win
like beat suicidal, and some kid with a lvl 0 firebug jumps into a lobby trying to do it
unborn acorn
having to spend 10 dollars for a best in slot gun for a class isn't optimal, and killing floor 2 dailies are really different than anything DRG could add. If they just added a daily to do a mission in a certain area for exp, that wouldn't change or affect anyone.
feral atlas
any sort of outside incentive system always has the potential of creating a perverse incentive
unborn acorn
It's no different than someone joining a lobby and asking to do something for one of their level 50 aromor sets or something in drg
feral atlas
it will likely reduce the diversity of lobby mission somewhat significant, especially if the dailiy is repeatable
it already happens with double xp missions
feral atlas
if this is some sort of daily one mission assignment, that's also just more assignment bloat
unborn acorn
not really bloat when its minimal reward with a daily thing, make it unlock at a certain level or something, as the bloat for new played and missions and assignments is already crazy
feral atlas
then why add more bloat?
if anything, we need to cut down on the number of assignments
unborn acorn
It's just an idea man, you're taking it way too seriously and acting liek the addition will send shockwaves throughout the game
feral atlas
it won't
I just despise the very idea of more MMO elements coming in this game
If I wanna do more dailies, I would have gone to WoW
unborn acorn
i mean yeah Asheron's Call invented the daily quest, but i still think it would be a nice addition to do instead of logging on to see no good modifers and logging off until later
especially if you're a newer player and need a certain mineral that isn't evenly distributed among the biomes
feral atlas
dailies, weeklies, and all that stuff are usually just ways to juice the player count
by bribing otherwise unenthusiatic players to login and populate the servers
unborn acorn
i can't really argue when something can be seen in more ways than one i suppose
feral atlas
I have never seen it more than anything but a cheap trick
unborn acorn
i can tell
outer fiber
no u
merry monolith
On the bright side I actually managed to get 4 swarm notifications at once on the last mission
white marten
On the bright side I actually managed to get 4 swarm notifications at once on th...
I see I'm not the only one who tries to get as much chaos as possible in my deep dives š
kind bough
I just despise the very idea of more MMO elements coming in this game
I like the cut of your jib
winged elm
I got a terrible jury rigged oc and a clean oc for the breach cutter
Im not happy with either one but i still have the edd andļæ¼ two blanks to use
vagrant hound
deep dives are pretty fun
kind bough
I've come down with a terrible disease where I'm 4 OCs away from having a complete collection but I'm too lazy to even finish the weekly core hunt, much less the dives
celest edge
May i ask here how to unlock/ what the elite deep dives are/do
delicate geode
You need to get a class to lvl 25 and promote it to unlock the deep dives, along with a few other features
celest edge
I have 1 promoted am close to the second promotion (for a different class) although i cant do elite deep dives
kind bough
you need to complete 1 standard deep dive before you can do elites
if you can do haz3 missions, which I imagine you can, that shouldn't be a particularly onerous requirement
celest edge
Oh i guess I'm just blind then, thanks you two!
pastel wasp
i'll just have to stay away from anything past the 1st mission of the EDD from n...
the dives scale for player count, solo or not is no reason not to beat all 3 levels
pastel wasp
I've come down with a terrible disease where I'm 4 OCs away from having a comple...
I'm the opposite, the dives are so straightforward, standardized weekly challenges that we can discuss. But the weekly assignments are just random missions that I wish I could be bothered doing
random lynx
Any tips someone doing their first Deep Dive?
pastel wasp
keep your hp above 0, keep dorettas hp above 0
if you can beat haz 4 occasionally, the dd should be cake
robust sedge
I got elephant rounds so that's going to be fun
robust sedge
I'm the opposite, the dives are so straightforward, standardized weekly challeng...
I'm usually against dailies/weeklies/monthly things but tbh the weekly assignment is sometimes the only reason I get on lol
small stratus
Best kit to solo EDD stage 1 only? That's 1 doretta and 2 eggs in low O2. I tried cryo/epc driller twice and failed. No range vs boulders didn't work. Might try gunner next. (yes I am bad at EDDs)
neat ingot
can someone tell me what the deep dives are like this week
like ezpz or nah
aight thats fine
if edd easy normal should be too
cheers g
gloomy herald
does the driller cheese still work on rocks?
abstract rain
Idk if engi does, rocks shouldnt hit doretta in 4p mode
viral tulip
Drilling them as they fall?
gloomy herald
yeah
viral tulip
Yep
gloomy herald
it must be intended then
viral tulip
Even if it's not, it's not all that strong imo
gloomy herald
the only use case i see
is its nice to not have others waste ammo if you're low on nitra
but escort usually has lots of nitra
viral tulip
It's because the rocks apparently turn into a destructible projectile when they fall, and drills have a big damage hitbox
abstract rain
I'd say its a feature
It's like bunkering, It's just not needed to succeed so if others can do it why would I care?
viral tulip
It's also pretty unreliable since you can't just sit there with your drills spinning due to ammo/heat, plus it means your driller can't focus on swarm clear
abstract rain
How do you feel about the icestorm OC for driller cryo?
viral tulip
And if you do miss, especially on higher haz, it can easily down the driller and do a lot of damage to dottie
It's not my favorite, but it works and it's pretty popular in elimination missions
abstract rain
I've seen it can get to 18 damage and still have 5 cooling power instead of 8 so...
I'm not against it
The ammo loss will hurt but
viral tulip
It does solid damage, but it costs you a lot in terms of being able to freeze things
abstract rain
Yeah, ammo with one of the green OCS and a freeze build is almost a joke except for dreads
I just realized I was in DD discussion my B
vagrant hound
May i ask here how to unlock/ what the elite deep dives are/do
elite deep dives are pretty hard so be careful
idle warren
Has anyone got a good strat for Stage2 of the EDD
The seed is just so bad everyone spends too much time traveling and runs out of health
blissful swan
more gun
idle warren
My only thoughts are to just drill to each pump and subvert the map
viral tulip
We drilled to 2/3 and platted to the other one
viral tulip
It wasn't too bad
Although I was on gunner so I mostly just hammered things and played around with Zips while the engi/driller did real work
idle warren
Well, I hate vertical maps like that where the only good ground to fight on is at the bottom, nowhere near the pumps or refinery
Just gonna tunnel it out and go vietcong on bug ass
fickle valve
yeah
idle warren
That way I only have to worry about oppressors
fickle valve
i just played with some guys on a drilldoser mision
idle warren
Cuz constantly getting surrounded by shockers and shot at by spitters is just annoying
fickle valve
they didnt repiar it at all
warm garnet
Looking to do my first DD as a 1star gunner, any tips?
idle warren
Proceed normally, just remember not to waste any ammo on the way out of a mission as your ammo and health and nitra will carry over into the next stage
If you can do Haz3 every day, the deep dives should pose no threat
the Elite dive is more like Haz5 so don't try that without a solid team
warm garnet
Thank you TJK, haz 3 is no problem, just didnt want to jump into my first one without knowing and upset the team š
jaunty flower
Thank you TJK, haz 3 is no problem, just didnt want to jump into my first one wi...
If you need help with the DD/EDD let me know, I can help you through them
Hopefully we get another nitra nerf to the dives. Still finished this weeks with 3+ resupplies in the bank, and we stopped mining nitra both times on stage 3 as it wasn't necessary anymore
plush dust
what are the mutators this week
warm garnet
If you need help with the DD/EDD let me know, I can help you through them
Thank you Moose š
plush dust
nvrmind
hot gazelle
Conclusion: Stage 2 is brutal
1 and 3 are pretty easy
3 is really easy if you remember to look up. There's basically no serious threats and all the eggs are in one tiny room.
hot gazelle
But stage 2 is just getting repeatedly nibbled to death by swarmers and shockers while you try to build pipes vertically.
hot gazelle
We had a natural hiveguard spawn on stage 2
Heck.
How tough is Hiveguard on Haz 5? I don't think I've ever fought one
feral atlas
Stage 2 is only hard if your team is bad, or specifically if your engi is bad.
eager parcel
Hiveguard is fine, no more difficult than the other dreads
hot gazelle
Even with the best turret placement in the world you can't protect the whole cave from shockers.
feral atlas
if your team has a brain
which, hopefully they should
they can go towards the turrets
hot gazelle
I mean, good luck going towards the turrets while being shocked, but I take your point.
feral atlas
if they don't, well, sadly, you need a new team
shockers have a loud enough movement sound, and you can outsprint them
hot gazelle
I was playing gunner, and I didn't try to build pipes. We weren't on voice comms and I didn't want to second-guess what the engi and driller were doing. I mostly hung around, put up some ziplines in case someone fell, and shot bugs
feral atlas
AC or mini?
hot gazelle
Mini.
jaunty flower
Just right click the shockers.
hot gazelle
It would have been embarrassing to die to the stage 1 rocks.
hot gazelle
We did win.
jaunty flower
if you want to win, play engi
That's a cop out, any class can carry
feral atlas
engi carries better
jaunty flower
Eh I disagree, gunner and driller have crazy survivability
jaunty flower
we're talking about the point extract in the EDD right?
hot gazelle
Refining, not PE, but yeah
feral atlas
this week doesn't have PE
jaunty flower
er, refining
sorry I always call them the same thingg
I think most people struggled on that stage because they don't drill pipelines.
Saw lots of people trying to platform pipes around, etc.
feral atlas
engi is more important the driller for stage 2 due to cave structure
in any case, engi is simply the most self reliant for this EDD
jaunty flower
I was driller, and it was no problem to just drill straight lines. There's a few openings, but
feral atlas
too many weak players that can't kill fast enough and burn ammo on wounds that get wasted by regen
jaunty flower
The DD/EDD is never hard unless you're carrying some dead weight, you get so much nitra lol
feral atlas
they were dead weight
hot gazelle
I disagree, last week's EDD was hard.
feral atlas
other than the scout, he was okay as a miner and lightbulb
hot gazelle
At least for me.
jaunty flower
I don't remember last week's EDD
feral atlas
the rest just kept dying
jaunty flower
I don't do dives with randoms though
hot gazelle
It was the stage 2 mactera plague elimination
jaunty flower
I don't really remember it. As you play more it gets a lot easier
hot gazelle
Stage 3 had some leeches ideally placed for horizontal yoinks too
Yeah, I imagine the best players can handle EDD just fine even with the hardest mission and modifier combos
jaunty flower
Yea the game is only difficult when you get people making cascading mistakes.
feral atlas
well, to be clear, the most consistent EDD is the solo
jaunty flower
Once you've got the time in and you know the audio for the various bugs, you can be pretty prepared for everything
hot gazelle
Yeah, but playing with others is just more fun
jaunty flower
Yea I've got a buddy I play with and then sometimes we drag in two randoms
2/4 people knowing what they're doing makes it pretty easy, and we typically play driller/engi so
All we want from the scout is flares and the gunner is to kill some things
My biggest pet peeve is the platforming engi, so usually don't take a random engi
pine scaffold
anyone need a scout for EDD
shrewd bane
I started doing EDDs solo last week, getting the cores has never been easier. I help others complete dives every now and then, but playing through the dives without worrying about how the rest of the team is doing is nice.
white marten
no mistakes, other than your own
Then play solo ? Everytime i see you a message from you, it's always to say that people are bad. Then don't play with them
somber jacinth
this is just me, but I really don't like seeing Escort Duty on the EDD. on the normal DD, its annoying, but its still somewhat doable. on the EDD, especially if its stage 3 with Escort Duty on Haz 5.5, that's just makes me dread doing the EDD at all.
feral atlas
Then play solo ? Everytime i see you a message from you, it's always to say that...
I only bitch about the games worth complaining about. In actuality most teams are quite decent. It's a selection bias.
white marten
Is it really necessary to bitch about it though ?
feral atlas
no; on the same vein though, is it really necessary for you to complain about said bitching?
buoyant wing
I like [TEAM] they were [GOOD]
little cove
"EPC is a tool"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298687486195138561/820110147900801084/548430_20210312190727_1.png
Yeah it's a tool
A tool for killing
:^)
little cove
I guarantee you that if you do a search in #drg-chat, you'll find multiple people saying that
...unfortunately...
buoyant wing
that gunner needs a hug
just kidding hugging is for elves, give that poor bastard a beer
outer fiber
guess I'm an elve
light quail
has anyone completed the EDD as a duo if so what builds?
wintry cairn
I haven't, but I'd recommend something like driller gunner
I'd highly recommend driller for stage 2 alone
shadow jolt
am back
shadow jolt
eddie diead
Wanna deep dive
wise pulsar
deep dive
shadow jolt
pod 7
wise pulsar
nani??
wise pulsar
uno momento
shadow jolt
Steam name eddie gaming
wise pulsar
feral atlas
*"EPC is a tool"*
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298687486195138561/8201...
not even 1k kills
gotta sweat harder
feral atlas
you can't latejoin an EDD
viscid orchid
Does Doretta get O2 tanks?
viral tulip
Yep
median cloak
can someone help me with a elite deep dive please? i keep getting to the second part and canāt complete it
viscid orchid
Has anyone else gotten a Hiveguard on the first mission from a random swarm event this DD? We were super confused after because we didn't get Dreadnought kill credit.
Had no idea that was a random spawn for a few minutes.
steel escarp
quiet wyvern
Of that I am quite sure they are, never saw them affected by it, so they must be
round sluice
I am trying to set the Razer Chroma and for some reason it does not work like in some videos. (ie https://youtu.be/VpJB83XlPfA)
Is there any way to modify the behaviour of chroma?
warped rune
getting a random dread on dread mission is hilariously bad
knotty radish
Got bored of Valheim and refunded it for Deep Rock, 10/10 what a great game.
knotty radish
whats vaalheim anyway
its a pve open world with a big building aspect however it takes ages to grind for resources
Its not bad it just takes a long time
dreamy dragon
Are deep dives always scaled for 4 players?
viral tulip
They're scaled for the number of players playing them
hot gazelle
Are deep dives always scaled for 4 players?
No
burnt sandal
Yeah they also scale with the number of players
And since the seed is the same, there can be major differences between 2 players and 4 players (like : A BET-C showing up with 4 players when she wasn't there before)
dreamy dragon
Okay thanks for the answers lads š
ivory meteor
warped rune
you can solo deepdives too
round sluice
What does the dinosaur icon mean at the end of the mission?
I cannot provide images..
There is aim icon, pickaxe icon, health icon and a dinosaur
viral tulip
That's a dwarf lying on the ground
warped rune
yeah
viral tulip
The "dinosaur head" is the left arm
round sluice
Oh. So it is.. how many times I was down?
viral tulip
Yup
warped rune
yes
round sluice
Oh
I did asume that it is something about killing heavier enemies.
There are many things like that in this game that are not explained at all.
I have no idea. Checked the wiki and other websites but it still is not clear to me.
So... @silk trench @night coral @vestal panther @still sonnet
What does the laying dinosaur mean? I am unable to provide the image but I would assume you know the thing.
burnt sandal
Why did you thought it was a good idea to ping all mods for that question...?
The "dinosaur" is the picture a dwarf laying on the ground. It's the number of time you got downed during a mission.
night coral
loot raptor
night coral
@round sluice don't ping mods
the bot muted you for that lol
i will take it off in a bit so you can learn your lesson :P
vale falcon
Ser stop trying to suppress the truth smh
weak venture
xD laying dinosaur
round sluice
<@!359832001689419776> don't ping mods
I am sorry for pinging mods. I was not aware that this way of gaining attention to a specific problem is not going to help.
But stilll... these are some damn trexes trying to stand up.
vale falcon
Trexes?
round sluice
t-rex
They have a lot of body, they did not skip the leg day and obviously they forgot about arms.
vale falcon
loot raptor
remember those two keywords
round sluice
ashen hollow
Anyone done the 2nd part of the elite deep dive? Tips?
obsidian gorge
what went wrong ? don't remember anything special about it
warm garnet
How long do DDs normally take?
obsidian gorge
like 40 minutes if done super well, 1 hour and 15 minutes or so if played not super well
warm garnet
Ok not too bad either way, thank you š
astral gyro
has anyone completed the EDD as a duo if so what builds?
Iāve done EDD Duo with Driller & Gunner.
For your reference,
Driller - CryO (Perfectly Tuned Cooler), EPC (Heavy Hitter)
mainly freeze everything and let gunner do his job, for Guard/Slasher you can freeze then 1 shot kill with EPC heat (Temperature Shock), Oppressor Clearing
Gunner - Minigun (Leadstorm), Revolver (No:OC)
Zipline for tricky terrain, Swarm clearing, Shield for appropriate timing.
For Perks we all bring the same.
Red Perk : Sweet tooth, Resupplier, Thorn
Blue Perk : Heightened Sense, Iron Will (Well Combo with Armor-Mod Breathing Room)
Hope it helps you !
light quail
thanks
exotic notch
How hard is this EDD compared to other EDDs on average?
The second mission with the pipes took a really long time
obsidian gorge
how are you guys doing EDD Solo with gunner ? ended up having problems for not being able to attack all the web spitters, while getting shocked by naedocytes, and being biten by glyphids, and having to protect Dozer
viral tulip
Terrain on the second stage sucks but other than that it's not too bad. There are some that feel pretty sadistic, though
exotic flax
Stage two has secret mactera swarm i swear
obsidian gorge
bosco is not strong enough to take care of everything, and even if I am fixing the naedocyte and web spitters will still damage
might be easier to just use engineer, without a video it gets hard to understand the order of priority, considering that all falls apart when you can't do much while being shocked, and if I turn to find naedocyte it means I am not aiming at the spitters, or exploders, or oppressors
not like naedocyte spawn too far away
would be fine if you could always see them coming, but you don't have 360 vision
I mean, you have to stay close to it, oxygen , and to be able to hit the glyphids nearby, if I had the option I would certainly be in open space, you know without tight spaces and the dozer I can handle things better
why would I stay so far away from the dozer
not like there is stuff to find, and considering thing doesn't stop, seems risky to not have it always in sight
exotic flax
I finished... im free
obsidian gorge
tried finding a video, could only find one with engineer, oddly enough there were 2 spitballers, thought the seed would make it the same when you are at the same number of players
round sluice
OK... SOOOOOOO..... What happens if I will not get to the pod on time?
I am pushed to do it but noiwhere it is explained what happends if I do not oblige.
obsidian gorge
at least on group missions you just spawn on the next stage, not like you will get kicked from it
round sluice
But is there some penalty? Less minerals or something?
obsidian gorge
I guess you spawn with just the revive health ?
round sluice
I think you do not understand Mr WikiEditor.
pastel wasp
How hard is this EDD compared to other EDDs on average?
The second stage is whack, but i imagine a second go knowing what to expect makes it less awful. Stages 1/3 are relatively easy.
Id rate it somewhere around normal yeah. Definitely seen much harder
exotic notch
what are some characteristics of the most painful edd stages?
pastel wasp
Well. Drg actuality sets a wave timer based on seed, so there's some hidden stuff behind the scenes that can make it a lot harder
eager parcel
what are some characteristics of the most painful edd stages?
Shield disruption/ lethal enemies, escort missions in later stages, bad terrain in general
Then you also have a bunch of specific mission Modifier combos which are annoying
Like haunted cave/ refinery
pastel wasp
Low o2 refinery
That sand refinery a few weeks ago
More dangerous biomes
Honestly it's easier to do a case by case basis than point to what makes it hard
If all three stages are hard, that goes a long way
Some weeks beating the first mission means you should have enough skill to beat the other two
gentle aspen
can i only do a deep dive with a promoted drawf?
obsidian gorge
aye
scarlet jewel
gentle aspen
solo scout deep dive outta be fun, 100%
random path
tight spindle
Damn this second mission of the deep elite is hard
nerf it please
I won't want to make any more deep anals after this
bright parcel
Most popular thing iāve seen people do in edd 2 was just bunk near refinery and dump their ammo into the tunnel
I mean itāll work ig
eager parcel
Have your driller and engi make the terrain less bad and stage 2 is fine
I used c4 to hollow out a space behind the refinery to kite bugs in and we did the mission fairly easily
fresh escarp
How fucked up is the second stage of the EDD?
bright parcel
One under refine one way to the left and down then the other behind a wall and next to a cliff
Pain
No good terrain to fight swarms
I didnāt bunker but when I went in to edd again they insisted on bunkering almost every time
naive valley
Leaf Lovers
delicate geode
Had our driller drop out right at the end of first stage on my first run at EDD, second stage didn't end well
burnt sandal
I am pushed to do it but noiwhere it is explained what happends if I do not obli...
If you're in solo, it causes you to lose the mission.
In group, you'll just get to the next stage with low health.
That is, if you're talking about the Deep Dive (which I assume you do in this channel)
astral gyro
Although this week refinery has a bad terrain, I still appreciate it than that wind-tunnel-everywhere, Sheild Disruption, Stage 3, Refinery š±
worthy zodiac
did my first edd earlier today, tough stuff https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/652745614953807884/820516924546744360/unknown.png
inner harness
second stage is ROUGH
desert crag
i dare you guys to try phase 2 without a driller
bright parcel
Carpet bomb auto cannon
rugged basin
i dare you guys to try phase 2 without a driller
https://youtu.be/sGh6zBDIZUk?t=2078 running pipes as scout š
desert crag
@rugged basin very educational, thanks
jellyfish were the worst part of our run
i kept getting anxiety on zips lol
static hound
each week "I wish EDD was harder!!" and then when a harder stage comes along "ahhhhhhhhh too hard!"
torn citrus
desire sensor punishes us all
obsidian gorge
now this went much better compared to Gunner, but instead of losing from lack of revives, it was the Dozer exploding at the end, biggest problems being oppressor not dying fast enough, and the rock attack from ommoran, the only way I can destroy the rocks fast enough from what I could tell was BC, not sure if I need bosco rockets to help with it
lament gale
i dare you guys to try phase 2 without a driller
we did it with an engi and a gunner
obsidian gorge
how should I deal with the Rocks (?) should just the base stubby be enough to deal with multiple rocks at once? since I traded damage and RoF with more ammo
lament gale
if you have hyper propellant its works wonders
tribal wigeon
just platform if you really don't wanna fail
obsidian gorge
I feel BC works better than Hyper because you can hit multiple rocks at once, was afraid it would consume too much ammo though, but I guess not too worrying, and will see how much I want to change the stubby values, I may be having way more ammo than I use
cunning thistle
Man that second level edd is nasty.
worthy zodiac
really just need to get out of the starting crater
place is awful
i joined 3 or 4 pugs and kept failing because everyone kept dying down there
then yesterday i join 1 and we did it
azure rock
second stage is only hard because of the awful cave generation
azure rock
i tried twice and gave up
somehow that one cave leech near spawn managed to kill me when my friend was downed
refineries are either a walk in the park and you get good generation or itās the hardest mission ever
short charm
2nd stage was pretty brutal, we failed on our first attempt, two people left so me and the driller waited for a new crew. Armed with knowledge of the locations of the wells and where to drill, we finished it. Stats don't lie, oh yeaaahh. https://i.imgur.com/xxbz0ML.jpg
worthy zodiac
Prior knowledge is king, good stuff
By stage 3 we had 600 nitra so we were just chilling lol
prisma junco
2nd stage was pretty brutal, we failed on our first attempt, two people left so ...
scout carry
short charm
Maybe. Seriously though, couldn't have done it without the driller on the second stage. I told the crew I was on nitra duty because that stage had so many nitra veins. Whenever a wave showed up, we regrouped at the refinery and dealt with that before resuming work on the pipes.
outer fiber
damn good job
that's nice to see a good scout player that hasn't darkened into arrogance and elitism
that gunner head cosmetic is absolutely cursed though
why ghostship why
brazen ridge
is there an unstuck feature? I'm almost done with EDD stage 2 but im stuck on the morkite pump
im on solo so its paused atm
outer fiber
I have bad news for you
manic pivotBOT
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hollow nimbus
Lfg deep dive before reset
hazy wave
Go to #lfg-steam
scarlet willow
look around harder
civic orbit
thanks
little radish
theres alot of nitra
sleek verge
^
static hound
kek
drifting laurel
t
somber vortex
man
this weeks EDD is brutal
I've failed it like 3 times due to bad RNG
3 bulk dets on stage 2
and a betc in a cramped corridor during escort
somber vortex
pretty sure there was rng involved
I didnt get betc on my first 2 runs
egg locations also changed on my last run
first 2 runs I had eggs directly on the path, 3rd run I got 2 eggs off to the side before the first stop room
also pretty sure betc isnt a scripted spawn
she's considered an RNG spawn like hulli hoarders in DD
outer fiber
betc appears or not depending of the seed and the number of players
hollow nimbus
Lfg EDD or lethal assignment. Xbox
meager ginkgo
Am I dreaming or do both deep dives not have shield disruption for once
somber vortex
well it makes up for it in stage 2 edd being completely horrible
wraith shard
lol true
lime storm
Yooo
I just went on my first elite deep dive
Can someone tell me what the fuck that just was?
Can you explain to me how i, as a scout main, get stressed out by the fucking terrain while the waves of grunts and swarmers feel like they just swamp straight from one into the other
That was so intense, even if we failed on the second mission just infront of the escape pod
sly cave
Elite deep dive is just that
Elite
You are expected to be skillful
and prepared
not like a more casual level
it is the least casual game mode
@lime storm
lime storm
Yeah, of course
feral atlas
scout is the worse class on average to be attempting the EDD
lime storm
I mean i did the regular deep dive and it went fine, i usually host 4 hazard missions and they mostly go fine
Yeah i NOTICED
That was just a whole different level tho
Or maybe the map really was as horseshit as it looked
feral atlas
Generally, I don't expect anything from a person on EDD unless he is a Haz5 regular
This EDD is a bit harder than average, but not on the extreme end
bronze berry
what is a deepdive. just unlocked it
lime storm
Fun
grizzled depot
pain
lime storm
Not mutually exclusive concepts
sly cave
yeah fair enough
challenge can be part of fun
don't get too sweaty
unless that's the way you like it
grizzled depot
i like it hard
feral atlas
By haz5 regular I mean something on the level where you expect to win Haz5 w/ modifiers
like a 90-95% win rate
lime storm
Me neither and it shows
sly cave
haz 4 and 5 are sweaty for me
feral atlas
generally, I haven't seen an EDD yet that requires more than 2 players on that level
sly cave
3 is my regular
lime storm
To be fair we were all somewhere around level 20 to 30
feral atlas
yeahhhhhh
white marten
Yea ... if you struggle oh H5, don't even try edd
lime storm
So i think we didn't do too bad almost winning two missions
Shame the driller died just infront of the escape pod
sly cave
yo, is it upgrades and overclocks
or is there something else that makes you better at haz level
grizzled depot
haz 3 to 4 nothin change that much
lime storm
Overclocks help a lot i imagine
sly cave
more boss spawns
white marten
Hmmm ... OC is a bonus but you don't need them to be efficient
lime storm
SO MANY GRUNT GUARDS
grizzled depot
haz 5 yep haz 4 noe
grizzled depot
play it more often and you will see its not much of a change from haz 3
sly cave
3 I win like 90% of the time
the few 4s I tried sucked
maybe got a bad team or something
lime storm
4s are fun
lime storm
But that's coming from someone with a grappling hook and a flare gun
That said, short question unrelated to deep dives
lime storm
Do most scout players just suck?
grizzled depot
depend
lime storm
I mean i main scout, but the few times i played driller i can't recall flares, or someone taking out priority targers, or mining the ore on the ceilings
grizzled depot
well you can just drill straight to the minerals
feral atlas
The way I've seen it, the class has always attracted bad players because of how easy it is to escape death with. That, and it's obvious when the scout is bad.
lime storm
Maybe i was just unlucky, thought it was a trend perhaps
feral atlas
Because you can't see.
lime storm
True
Not saying i'm that much better per se, but at least i generally run low on flare gun ammo
white marten
or is there something else that makes you better at haz level
I mean, if you want to get better, every time you lose, ask yourself what you did wrong
Maybe you got overwhelmed because the area was not suited for a fight, maybe you weren't aware of sneaky bugs, maybe you didn't kite enough ... many reasons can't drag you down and make you struggle at higher difficulties
Or maybe you can play with someone that has a lot of experience and he can simply teach you the miner's way
grizzled depot
just dont die
lime storm
All high level players i've met just told me to play on a lower difficulty
white marten
Or that, it works lol
lime storm
Played more haz4 just out of spite at that point
grizzled depot
not really play on high haz
white marten
Well ... it is the easy way out, if you REALLY want to play hard difficulties, train, learn, improve and make them see that you can do it
Everyone has a different level, some people juste have poor skills and that's ok, everyone is different
But there is always a way to improve
grizzled depot
All high level players i've met just told me to play on a lower difficulty
like i said high lvl player wont care so much if you dont die alot lmao
white marten
Yea š
lime storm
Ok so
MAYBE i died in a hole, in the ceiling, while mining for Aquarz a couple of times
Happens to everybody right?
white marten
Never played with random people so can't tell much about high level player's expectation
white marten
Happens to everybody right?
Of course
white marten
my god you have friends to play with
lmao, I mainly play with my brother
grizzled depot
hm, fair enough
bright parcel
#lfg-steam has fun people to play with
lime storm
I'm trying really hard to bully my pals into this game
white marten
Happens to everybody right?
I still do it sometimes, we're not robots, mistakes are sometimes inevitable
lime storm
One of them got stressed out at haz level 3...
white marten
Me neither, i don't english very fluently sooo ... kinda hard for me to chat on vocal channels x)
supple quarry
Not gonna lie, the best way to have high rate of success w/e the hazard, is to play with same people
even if randoms got good skills, you may not be on the same thought process and can cause failures
grizzled depot
haha nothing can stop lead storm with leadstorm OC
white marten
One of them got stressed out at haz level 3...
When me and my brother just started the game, we straight out started H4
We lost A LOT and then ... we did it casually ... then we found it boring
Same for H5
Practice is key
feral atlas
Never played with random people so can't tell much about high level player's exp...
Don't die, don't throw, listen to instructions in a timely manner, don't push buttons or advance objections without asking.
Well, don't die alot at least.
round carbon
feral atlas
Generally it's like this:
0-1 deaths: normal
2-3 deaths: unlucky
4-5 deaths: sloppy or a disasterous games
6+: go down a hazard, immediately
lime storm
Does fall damage count
lime storm
feral atlas
added 2 downs to the metric for lethal enemies or shield disrupt
grizzled depot
white marten
Lmao yea it's really painful if you struggle on a normal basis
lime storm
Nah it's because my shield is my cushion for my grappling hook
feral atlas
dying to fall damage is just careless unless you basically got chased off a cliff
grizzled depot
and frickin swarmer just nible your ankle
lime storm
What are you even supposed to do as a scout vs swarmers and those pesky flying lightbulbs once you run out of cryo grenades
Just run?
lime storm
Hard to switch mid mission
feral atlas
switch in lobby then
white marten
Don't tell him to swith, he plays what he wants to play
feral atlas
well, then his option is merely to suffer
olive karma
Quick question that's been bugging me about Engi:
lime storm
So business as usual then
feral atlas
or aim better
pale sigil
His grenades are effective against them, GK2 can pick em off without waste, and the sawed-off can kill a lot in one shot
white marten
I never suffer on scout vs anything
feral atlas
lethal enemies + a jelly and swarmer map
supple quarry
I either play g2k + boom or m1k + zhukof
to have at least an auto solution to somewhat deal with those little things
- thorns
They may be your weakness, but nothing you can't deal with, with practice
desert crag
@lime storm shotgun with shockwave tier upgrade clears trash if you dont mind losing blowthrough
lime storm
I prefer the M1k, maybe that's my problem
feral atlas
thorns has an internal 0.75s cooldown
lime storm
<@!494214433489420288> shotgun with shockwave tier upgrade clears trash if you d...
Wouldn't blowthrough be better for swarmers?
leaden cypress
Zhukovs do the job when it comes to swarmers
white marten
I prefer the M1k, maybe that's my problem
Play with zhukov secondary, it's my bread and butter for swarmers
supple quarry
Pene make you do collaterals, if the 2 enemies aren't aligned it's not gonna work
pale sigil
default shockwave kills swarmers just fine
olive karma
Is Engi's "Single sentry but has higher damage" upgrade worth it?
feral atlas
currently, not really
eager parcel
The two turrets are generally better
feral atlas
but it's still ok
white marten
I don't like it personnaly
feral atlas
the only brain dead move is to not use defender
eager parcel
You could make a case for a single turret if you don't like maintaining it
olive karma
It really does seem that way, literally every time i swap from double sentry to single setnry, i feel held back
supple quarry
Depend to me, I go geminis on missions like escort / salvage
single turret on others missions
feral atlas
the issue currently is that double turrets have approximately the same amount of total damage in the ammo pool
and more dps if simultaneously deployed
and small enough of a difference on single point dps that turret tunnel vision is not too significantly different between a MKII and a gemini turret on 1 target
this is assuming both builds take defender
sudden mortar
I take single because I prefer playing the game myself which I get more time to if I only have 1 turret to place and maintain
eager parcel
2 turrets also means more armour break / stun
feral atlas
you can just put down 1 gemini turret
and the difference honestly isn't very large
13 damage per bullet versus 11 damage per bullet
supple quarry
2 turrets mean better damages at the moment, but require more maintenance from the player and eat more ammos
On mission like escort you really want to burst as much damages you can to keep doretta alive, same on salvage you really don't watn to let them get to you
It burns your ressources but it does the job
When you don't have to use that much ressources to get the job done, I prefer to go on single
feral atlas
damage is damage
eating more ammo doesn't really matter nearly as much on aimbots
because the damage isn't wasted, you're just expending it faster
MKII was much better because defender used to be a +100% damage boost, now it's a flat buff which makes it more effective on gemini than on MKII
Gemini w/ defender is 6655 dmg with the full ammo capacity
MKII w/ defender is 6695
assuming both take extra ammo on row 2
If it was the old defender stat of +100% damage and before the ammo boost to Gemini, Gemini would be 6180 damage with all ammo and MKII would be 8240
which was a significant difference
currently gemini does expend ammo faster, but in terms of ammo economy it is virtually identical to MKII
especially now that w/ defender Gemini is 11 damage, while MKII is 13, which is a difference too minor to matter on nearly anything
Gemini is 10 bullets to kill a Haz5 grunt, MKII is 9
dusky spear
And donāt Haz5 swarmers have 14 health? Which would make neither style one shot them.
feral atlas
14.8
dusky spear
What are the numbers for the Lethal Enemies mutator? Is it like a 100% damage boost to melee attacks?
fringe kettle
I think it's a 30% increase
feral atlas
um
I thought it was 300% enemy melee damage
i.e., +200%
neverdming, it's +100% now apparnetly
fringe kettle
wiki says it doubled
fringe kettle
don't know where I got 30% from
dusky spear
How much health/shields does a max upgraded dwarf have (assuming health armor upgrade in tier 2)?
feral atlas
30% is the damage resist for shield disrupt
wraith shard
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obsidian gorge
I think that with all masteries that should be
100 x 1.0455 x 1.0455 x 1.0455 x 1.18, so ~134.85 HP, and 25 shield
fringe kettle
thanks deepl https://i.imgur.com/znfGgoN.png
obsidian gorge
actually, why is the base hp not on the wiki... let me check that
fringe kettle
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obsidian gorge
correction, ~148.33 HP, I forgot it was 110 base @dusky spear
dusky spear
correction, ~148.33 HP, I forgot it was 110 base <@!141037660906061824>
Thank you for looking into that!
dark warren
As someone who has to Deep Dives with randoms, this week's elite deep dive 2nd stage can go straight to hell
granite rose
Last EDD was a walk in the park compared to this one
granite rose
Yeah phase 2 with a solo queue is impossible afaik
patent river
Managed to solo queue EDD last night with me as a gunner, driller freezing them for me and an engi for the turrets etc! Was just amazing use of the ping system and that understanding of what each of us meant that got us through, was like the 1000th try though š
granite rose
What's the 3rd one like?
feral atlas
Yeah phase 2 with a solo queue is impossible afaik
I've solo queued it twice.
It's painful but possible,
Your life will be easier if you are the engi and good at it.
desert crag
@granite rose had to iron will right after we came out of drop pod but rest of the mission was a breeze
warped rune
if you got a driller, phase two is cool
also in my attempt on edd, we were doing ok, just engi got downed a lot
only used iron will once tho
feral atlas
solo is just playing by yourself
solo queue is playing with 100% of the rest of your team being randoms
feral atlas
dates back to the first matchmaking programs
you would always do better with a pre-made team stack instead of queueing by yourself
hence, "solo queue"
or "solo queue hell"
old widget
Friend of mine is going through promotion for first time - heās completed promotion assignment (and paid to promote, and has the star) but not the long Breach the Core assignment. Can he still join a vanilla deep dive and get cores?
idle hollow
yes
old widget
Thx
dreamy dragon
Nope, it's correct. But i'd advise to finish the assignment before the weekly reset so your friend can play the weekly core assignment for this week. @old widget
soft gazelle
Hi
ripe nova
Hey
What does everyone average on time with 1, 2 and 3 "feet" long missions? Just curious and sorry if I gave anyone a stroke while reading this
fringe kettle
it depends entirely on your skill level. Could be anywhere from the insane times in #deep-dive-speedrunning or you could take two hours. Most folks are probably going to take between 40 and 60 minutes.
deft kite
the edd this week is more in the realm of 50m+ unless you are running with your own team
alpine gale
I serious have no idea why EDD was so hard when I played with 3 other random players. the enemy damage is greater than DD ?
supple quarry
DD is hazard 3 | 3.5 | 3.5
EDD is hazard 4.5 | 5 | 5.5
alpine gale
what are those numbers btw ?
supple quarry
Difficulty level of each stage
alpine gale
oh so that's why, like that Haz thing ?
bright parcel
yes
versed hollow
Currently doing my first deep dive, and I got a question. Is Nitra saved between stages, or is it reset to zero upon transition?
regal trench
it's saved between stages
versed hollow
Thanks!
molten rune
can someone post this weeks EDD objectives
bright parcel
can someone post this weeks EDD objectives
Check pinned messages of this channel
molten rune
ā¤ļø I was tired of scrolling up
outer fiber
why is there an outdated e/dd pinned
burnt sandal
Because it wasn't updated
outer fiber
there is an updated one
by the same person
why letting the outdated one pinned
that's the question
isn't the point to always edit the same message ?
burnt sandal
there is an updated one
The pin* wasn't updated.
outer fiber
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