deep-dive-discussion

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[fresh escarp]

Ok

[patent sinew]

It's so many times a driller that fucks things up for me.

We're defending the black box, and the driller decides to make another tunnel to the black box. Giving the bugs another chance

It's an elite mission, and driller decides that he absolutely needs to split away from the team right when Mission Control warns us about a swarm

[dim trellis]

u said another tunnel

u guys were doing bunker strat or something?

[patent sinew]

No, he drilled an entire path from one naturally generated tunnel to the other

so that there's a whole new path to the black box

[dim trellis]

lmao oh like connecting it

[patent sinew]

Then he planted C4 in it.
Yeah, great idea. You'll kill a fraction of the bugs you decided to let in

[dim trellis]

be driller

ez

make a bunker

i feel da pain tho

[patent sinew]

..then when we were getting the egg, I blocked off a tunnel with platforms. He drilled through it so bugs could get in.

Note that I am shotcalling to let people know exactly what I'm doing

[dim trellis]

comms is always good

cough

[patent sinew]

I’m usually like “Fuck the gold, run” in Elite Deep Dives

[karmic yew]

oh snap, i thought this was general, not edd, lol

[patent sinew]

I managed to get my friend and some other guy through his first deep dive

He bought the game for me after playing for a bit.
I outlevel him now by like 25

[silver shore]

I've been careful with this, but I'm still wondering. As an engineer in a Deep Dive, do you keep the sentry ammo to the next stage even if you don't recall it, or do you have to recall it to keep the ammo?

[odd rover]

What are good solo classes for EDDs if I want to beat at least some of the content for cores?

[dim trellis]

In Bosco we trust

[odd rover]

I mean, yah, but I also need to deal with greater than extreme difficulty as a Scout that's missing overclocks.

[dim trellis]

well if u think about engie for a brief minute, turrets, platforms, possibly thebreachcutter,

lure grenades

all this without needing any overclocks

perhaps engie is the right fit for you

but if you did consider oc

fatboy

[devout vortex]

fatboy? Engie approved, nsfteammates

[abstract flume]

why are drillers so keen on c4'ing teammates

[humble tendon]

Because we gotta go boom sometimes.

[narrow nexus]

Because drilling is boring

[plush dew]

in deep dives, currently the engineers turret ammo 100% refreshes as if you would've takesn 2 resupplies. the same goes for drillers c4, so the question cant really be answered untill they bugfix it.

[sick finch]

what are the modifiers for the elite deep dive this week?

[vale falcon]

check the pinned messages for the spreadsheet

[sick finch]

ah, i didnt know they pinned it

[sick wren]

What drops from DD second tier once you have all the weapon overclocks?

Also how viable is engineer for the first 2 tiers of the EDD solo if I just grab primary obj and push on, for this week. I worry about the leeches. Don't have a lot of range (without wasting ammo) unless I use the smg or whatever. Stubby

[plush dew]

whenever you whould gain a weapon overclock while having all weapon OC's unlocked, you will gain a blank matrix core instead. this is true for deep dives, weekly core hunt and end of the year special assignment.
the same is true for cosmetics aswell. once you have all, you get 3 blank ones per deep dive.

[sick wren]

Thank you thank you that seemed like the logical conclusion for it as well.

[candid agate]

hey guys, i wanna do my first deep dive , should i get people to do it with me or go in alone fine?

[zenith warren]

if you're nervous about making a fool outta yourself you can just solo it

but then once you have the hang of it, you'll be like me and refuse to do it in a party because bosco #1

[frail apex]

what is the difference between normal and elite deep dive? just got done with my first regular one

[feral atlas]

elite is harder

same rewards, both can only be done once a week for the overclock rewards

[zenith warren]

you can run it as much as you want, but the rewards are once a week

in case his wording was confusing there

if you do the core hunt and both DD/EDD each week you'll have 11-12 cores, since you'll get 2-3 from crafting

[spark spade]

What is the deal with this week's EDD stage 2? I either get overwhelmed trying to do the box, or can't find the last couple of aquarqs

I'm using AC gunner with Splintering Shells, the swarms should not be giving me so much trouble.

Idk, maybe I'll try Engi

[zenith warren]

yeah, do engi or driller. gunner is harder to solo with

and you're far, far from the only person having that issue with stage 2

try to get the aquarqs behind the drop zone first, then do the box, then get the rest

[spark spade]

Driller I'm just concerned I won't be able to stop the rocks in stage 3

[zenith warren]

he can do it, just bring the right setup

that said I just run engi

also, and this is important to note: if the armor panel is full hp, the rock will not one shot it

it does like... 95% damage?

and if you're trying to repair it as another one comes up or as one glyphid sneaks to the side, good luck

but engineer has cheese, which he can use to cheese corridors

stage 1 is trivially easy because of the choke points plus just yelling at bosco to retrieve the eggs for you

platform your backside, platform them into a very narrow corridor, both turrets down, maybe snag a steeve for company, and enjoy a cold brew while you plink at anyone that makes it past the dethklok kill corridor

[wraith shard]

I just beat my first deep dive
Holy [REDACTED] that was so much fun

[wraith shard]

Yeh for sure, especially if you're using the EPC

[warm adder]

Still couldnt beat the EDD stage 2 myself. Does the swarm ever stop spawning? I died after 1500 kills or something and was just wondering if it would EVER stop

Couldnt get the last aquarts because I didnt even get a second to dig a hole and get 2 more crystals out

[zenith warren]

you're far from the only person to have this issue

[odd rover]

Point extraction spawns more and more enemies as time goes on (apart from swarms), it will get increasingly overwhelming if you're not making good time.

[zenith warren]

the terrain is always exactly the same for dives

[warm adder]

wait, point extraction equals infinite monster spawns?

[zenith warren]

so rather than going to the minehead, immediately turn around and head to the rear caves and work forwards to the black box

no, but some people seem to think the game could never have bugs despite being a game about shooting bugs

regardless, it is doable

you just need to make the most of your time and be looking at getting out within 15 minutes

because it starts off bad and gets worse

I absolutely got mobbed to a ludicrous degree on stage 2

[warm adder]

But need to be very fast then yea... think thats more easy solo or try getting a 4 man group?

Totally

[zenith warren]

I think solo is better unless you know your group

also, bosco is a really good teammate

[warm adder]

I was playing engineer with dash and breach cutter (LUL) and still got problems after the second swarm

[zenith warren]

breach cutter is good

ignore people that say use shotgun/40mm

use what works

I do smg/bc

[warm adder]

Yeah me too

[zenith warren]

also, electrocution is underrated, and the SMG actually has really high DPS

a single bc line will shred praetorian armor, and a clip from the SMG should hose them down

[warm adder]

The biggest problem I have with breach cutter is FF honestly. There is always someone running in front of you just as you get the perfect angle to oneshot 20 grunts

😄

[zenith warren]

eh. if people run into your active line of fire, that's their issue

and it certainly doesn't shield the glyphids

some people have zero spatial awareness and don't think that maybe things die faster if their teammates can shoot the bugs too

[warm adder]

I had such a moment 2 days ago. But my gunner reminded me to turn the brain back on. Something along the lines off: "Please dont stop using your IQ, dont run in front of the chaingun"

Anyways- EDD. Is it worth trying to kill the swarm then even? Or clear them out rather. Or should I just kite them as much as I can to save time?

[odd rover]

Depends on how far in you are.

Once you reach the point that they spawn as fast as you can kill them, it's no longer worth killing them.

Before then, you can buy yourself time windows to do stuff.

[warm adder]

Yeah gotta manage some lightning fast plays. btw: Does that have any relation to how far am I with mission objectives? Like, if I collected all aquarts but didnt turn it in, was my thought. Or does that not matter

[odd rover]

Shouldn't matter, just time based.

Had a EDD group where team took way too long setting up for black box, we were getting swarmed by the time we started.

[warm adder]

Alright, well, hope I can do 15 minutes later. I woke up with the taste of defeat in my mouth.

[odd rover]

Had maybe 2-3 aquarqs.

[warm adder]

Yeah that happened to me on my public try too

Ran out of Nitra eventually and were missing a handful of crystals

[zenith warren]

eggs will spawn waves, even if it's mini waves

except stage 1 is really easy if you have an engineer, or are one

stage two, as I said, work from back to front. turn right around and grab the aquarqs from the rear caves first

bosco can nab the ones in the open while you're being slightly less mobbed to death

then do the black box, then wrap it up

I think I would've not had my first wipe there if I hadn't tried to hold onto the resupply for too long

[late elm]

@warm adder There is a bug in PE's that can cause literal endless hordes sometimes, outside of the usual escalation mechanic.

It can happen with some frequency during activation of machine events.

The usual danger zone time period is the 20-25 minute mark, for the normal escalation.

Before then there should be discrete waves/hordes which are manageable.

If you're just getting dumpstered, could be the bug and you'll just have to clutch or run it again.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

This EDD PE was 11 crystals with 10 required, iirc?

So not super forgiving.

[warped rune]

okay, solo edd, escort done, 3 revives left and iron will, everything can go wrong

also the second is not too forgiving, but i havent had difficulties with it

[fresh escarp]

Can someone help me with this EDD? I'm losing my marbles trying to solo it

[warped rune]

I lost to a bulk with driller and won with engi

Bulk on doretta is funny

[fresh escarp]

Bulk doretta is fun

Im telling you, when a bulk det spawns on haz 5 and the entire squad is engie with breech cutter, the bulk dies within 20 seconds

[weak zealot]

What day was it again that the missions like deep dive refreshes?

[plush dew]

thursday 13:00 gmt+1

[dense belfry]

Is there a way to see the haz of this time's deep dive?

[echo edge]

It s always the same, for deep dive it s 3.5-3.5-4 elite deep dives 4.5-5-5.5

Might be 2.5-3-3.5 for DD I m not sure but it s easy in any case

[plush dew]

DD is 3 / 3.5 / 3.5

EDD is 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 as you said. they are always the same difficulty

[late elm]

*5.5

[zenith warren]

ayup, and two are in the same cave in the very back of the area

[plush dew]

ah yeah 5.5, misstyped

[quiet wyvern]

i'm gonna be trying it again tonight, would've been easily beaten the first time if a "freakin' Bulk Detonator" didn't spawn and f us up on the third stage!

[zenith warren]

that happens

just remember the three rules of bulk detonators: doretta, distance, death

don't let them be near doretta, don't let them be near you, don't let them be near you when they die

[quiet wyvern]

since when were those rules, I haven't heard of those before

guess i didn't learn about them yet

[zenith warren]

you'll implicitly learn them over time even if you don't know them in words

[spark spade]

I legitimately can't get past the PE for some reason, I've tried Driller, Engie, and Gunner. I either get overwhelmed during the Black box, or take too long to get the aquarqs, and get too many stragglers surviving to move around and grab them all

[zenith warren]

are you abusing the everloving hell out of bosco

because his peashooter isn't as important as his ability to bring you every aquarq on the map

[spark spade]

Absolutely

[zenith warren]

hm, maybe you need a different weapon setup then

also, you're far, far from the only person that feels stage 2 is overkill

it really does feel like the waves are nigh endless from minute one

it was my first wipe and I'm pretty dang good at shooters

[spark spade]

The best I did was with Cryo driller, got the 10 aquarqs, but got overwhelmed due to a damn bulk appearing during the black box

[radiant granite]

the black box is pretty brutal bc of how it interacts with the spawn timer

imo you should do it last, so that you aren't spending time doing it and making spawns worse when you still have aquarqs to get

but I think that's what most people do anyways

[zenith warren]

I had a bulk on the box both times, it seems like it's practically guaranteed

[spark spade]

I either get a bulk, or oppressors. Both are absolutely terrible for the black box objective

[zenith warren]

eh, I can just BC oppressors

slow them down, do some damage, run to the back and hose them with the SMG

people run the SMG as an electricity generator when that's really not the best use of it

when it's a 30 round clipazine with 13 damage a hit with a 30% damage boost on top of the weakpoint bonus

I have em refire for it, which is the popular one and run 12112

ammo isn't important since, you know. nitra.

and you're soloing so you're getting 4 resupplies

for BC I run 12112 with crossover, since return to sender requires not immediately weapon switching or throwing grenades and I ain't about that

you don't need the extra radius, it won't do more damage, it will just ensure max damage in the first place

and since you already have hefty damage, run LUREs not the mines

mines aren't useful at range, which is your big weakness, and they're not massively useful against bulks

but with the stubby/bc you can electrocute a bulk nonstop, and they'll be moving at a glacier's pace at you

an oppressor, for instance, has 1080/1170 hp in a solo EDD stage 2/3

one/two BC shots and a clip of SMG will clear them no issue

bulks are over 4 times that, but you have the power of tesla in two guns

[spark spade]

I don't have crossover, any other suggestions? I have Light weight cases,, Stronger plasma current, or return to sender

[zenith warren]

return to sender is very good, I just don't care for it myself since it doesn't suit my playstyle

forget the cases, you don't need to have most of your ammo in one mag and then... increase reload speed by a tiny amount. doesn't matter

remember you're not maining the BC, so the ammo down isn't that important

it takes you down to 6 shots, but that's 6 shots with potentially double damage

you may consider doing more ammo instead of more damage in t2 if you find you need more shots, stage 1 is kinda lax on the nitra

and then at that point you're trading 175 bonus dps for the ability to double a shot back, that's pretty good

considering base dps is 575, you roll it back for even a fourth of a second and it's even on damage

anything more is just bonus

also, fucking shellbacks. if you don't get shellacked by the bulk then it'll be shellbacks making problems for you. spam them platforms until the only words you know are PLATFORM I MADE A PLATFORM HERE PLATFORM ARMED

cover your edges, give yourself a roof, blow through as much ammo as you need

stage 3 is hard, but it's not nearly as rough as stage 2

especially if you use bosco to mine what you need and cover dotty while you go shale mining

[spark spade]

Oh wow, return to sender seems pretty damn good imo. Lol

[zenith warren]

it is, I just prefer voltage crossover

and I luckily have both

so I get to make that decision

[spark spade]

Also, in EDDs, is it acceptable to say screw it, and kill every loot bug? sometimes that nitra is REALLY necessary

[zenith warren]

what? yes absolutely

there's no downside to kill loot bugs except you'll feel bad

but sometimes necessity dictates getting your hands dirty

blame mission control for your crimes

in normal rounds if we have more than 160 and it's not a golden I just pet them

otherwise, euthanasia

[spark spade]

In EDD, no time to pet, only murder. Lol

[zenith warren]

I mean on haz 1-2 I don't care at all even if we have no nitra

I just run whatever just started and has room since all I care about is more unlocks now

[spark spade]

Lmao, just hit a praetorian perfectly with return to sender, and it immediately became naked. Never seen a completely armorless Praetorian before

[zenith warren]

yeah, BC absolutely rips through armor

[spark spade]

I don't use SMG much, is it normal to feel like you're burning through ammo so fast?

[zenith warren]

depends on the terrain around you. the black box on stage 2 is right up against a sheer cliff, with a slope leading to you. make a hut

[zenith warren]

only if your enemies aren't burning faster

do max damage, forget electrocution. it already does that and it doesn't do enough damage fast enough

anyways, I'd platform against the cliff itself to narrow the point of focus for shots

in military tactics there's a concept known as a kill zone. this is the area your enemies will be in when you ambush them with your combined traps and fire

the smaller you make their space within that zone, the more bullets they're going to eat. in the face. in their stupid, stupid, space spider face.

engineer functions off this principles specifically: make the area that you need to turn into a hell of lead as small and choked as possible, while maximizing your own protection

start with an arch for the box, so the angle of attack from shellbacks goes from 180 degrees to more like 140

this should take something like.... 16 platforms?

this also means your turrets, if placed correctly, will never have to stop firing until there are no more bugs. there will not be no more bugs.

with extra platforms, and you won't need to save absolutely any, you can widen your roof and extend the sides

a lure at the entrance will bring every glyphid into a concentrated point, and a single BC shot will kill anything weaker than a praetorian

plus, you're not worried about spitters, because to shoot at you they need to walk into -your- line of fire.

[spark spade]

If placed properly, will platforms actually stop the rocks from the heartstone? I've heard conflicting information on it

No, after all the work to get to stage 3, there's acid spitters? I'll never get this now

[zenith warren]

know when you take a hit and when to let dotty take the hit

remember, you only need the last hp bar on her

and beamers aren't a big deal on solo

have bosco mine the tips

also RE: platforms

uhhhh I don't know. I don't trust them to work

also, it usually stops my sentries from firing

since it'll cut their line of sight too

and rocks on solo are not a one shot for armor

I learned this, this week

like, I've seen platforms work

but I've seen them fail, too

and you have to build them after the phase transition

since that's all destroyed in between phases

[sleek verge]

The platforms do block

But they will destroy the platforms a little so that the next rock may go through

You will have to replat as you go

[zenith warren]

I don't like relying on them, it makes me nervous when I can just be shootin

[sleek verge]

I sometimes just set up the platforms

And then shoot

Maybe I miss a rock and it helps, maybe I dont

Usually it's fine though

Only need to keep doretta alive through that and you should be home free

[zenith warren]

ayup

especially if you're running lure

which I would heavily suggest on solo dives

mines are big area damage. you already have a thing that does that

lures do something you -don't- have otherwise, and make it easy for your big area damage to get maximum usage

[spark spade]

Shit, almost got to the last phase of the heartstone, but lost the dozer. 😢

[zenith warren]

well see? you made it that far, you can absolutely do it

where'd it go wrong?

[spark spade]

It seemed like the bugs were ignoring my LURE during the heartstone, is that actually a thing?

[zenith warren]

bug aggro is kinda weird

to the point I'm not confident in saying -exactly- how it works

but sometimes they consider one target much higher priority than others

[spark spade]

It probably went wrong when two bulks spawned in at the start of the first phase, after dragging them away and killing them, i was basically just playing catch up trying to fix the dozer

[zenith warren]

oof yeah, that's just bad luck

did you do the secondary before getting to the heartstone

[spark spade]

Yeah

[zenith warren]

yeah don't do that

the thing is: if you're doing that isn't related to getting dotty to get you that heartstone, you have more time for dotty to get hurt

this is true on every escort, especially with events

but once you have the heartstone and dotty is blown up, you don't have to babysit her

since she's decommissioned. you can still pat her and she'll still respond, so

[sleek verge]

Lures are definitely not as effective as I'd like/need

[spark spade]

Honestly, I think I did well considering I'm out of Barley Bulbs and can't get any buffs

[zenith warren]

that fresh huh? you know the biggest secret of EDD? waiting until the health boost buff is up

that big boost of hp, especially if it's a shield disruption will keep you alive so much longer

[spark spade]

Ok, dumb question, but is there a way to increase the game's brightness? Gamma isn't doing what I want. I want to be able to see those damn Acid Spitters a bit sooner than them being within range to spit at me

[zenith warren]

no idea

[wraith shard]

Just did this EDD, funny enough the third mission ended up being the easiest for us.

[gloomy herald]

escort really isn't that bad just wacky modifiers mess with it a lot

[zenith warren]

lethal enemies on EDD escort, whew

[amber junco]

Something I occasionally do when the cave complexity / modifiers are sucky, drill ahead of the path the drill is going to take. Will take some resupplying for driller fuel, but works. Drill points straight at the heartstone when it's dropped and as long as you keep the cage closed, doretta can't be hit.

Lets you remove inconveniences like spitballers, natural hazards (e.g. flamegouts), cave leeches, etc.

[feral atlas]

It also seems to increase the occurance of the bug where the drill does a 180 and goes back to spawn.

so, if you do that and pre clear, you honestly have nobody to blame but yourself if this occurs

[amber junco]

Happens less often with the reduced pathing complexity. But yes, it's a small risk.

If you're struggling badly enough that you'd rather risk that than losing it by swarm, your call to make.

[fringe kettle]

It has been significantly reduced with the hotfix, but I’ve seen a few bug reports about it pathing all the way back then all the way back to the heartstone.

[amber junco]

Also works as a compromise, just pre-drilling the first room or 2.

As an aside, this also saved a non-deepdive mission or 2 due to crassus spawning quite a distance away. Those really put sand in your beer when you're halfway from start to first checkpoint and one tunnels towards you from the other end.

[zenith warren]

well, as long as it doesn't go flying to the space rig or in a straight line infinitely

[fresh escarp]

I cant do this damn edd

I swear none of my friends are good enough and fsr I cant find the last aquarq

[indigo oracle]

same

I just lost a run stage 3 cause bosco decided to have a stare down with an acid spitter and a single spitter got a whole plate for free.

[fresh escarp]

And I lost stage two because 4! 4 FUCKING BULKS SPAWNED ON THE DAMN BLACK BOX

4 FUCKING BULKS

[dim trellis]

lol

[fresh escarp]

HOW DO I DEFEND THAT

[sleek verge]

Crit weakness tho

[fresh escarp]

HOW?!

LIKE

4 BULKS, CLUMPING TOGETHER AND PROTECCING EACH OTHER'S WEAKPOINTS

LIKE HOW AND WHY

Im gonna run engie next

[next pebble]

Are you host

[fresh escarp]

Yes

Im doing it solo

[next pebble]

Hmmmm... bulks shouldn't spawn like that ever

[fresh escarp]

Ik right

Like

[next pebble]

That's something to put into #bug-discussion

[fresh escarp]

I dont have any screenshots since i was running for my damn life

[next pebble]

It's all right, the seed should be the same since it was the EDD

Leave a description of what happened in the bug channel, that way the devs can know what went down

[fresh escarp]

Done

[fresh escarp]

Imma be honest, I do like fighting bulk dets

I want a bulk det only mission

[zenith warren]

they're great, normally

the further away glyphids spawn, the longer you get to hear their cries

bulks almost always spawn a fair amount away so you can hear the heavy breathing and thumping

[fresh escarp]

Of course you know

4 spawning bc glitch is fun

[strong sonnet]

the most ive ever seen all at one time was 3, never 4
thats nuts

during stage 2 blackbox i got two bulks twice, but it stopped happening

half the friends i have dont have promoted dwarves yet, damn

better luck tomorrow though

[fresh escarp]

Yup

[late elm]

4 bulks is just 1 bulk

With a bigger boom

[dim trellis]

wasn’t there an achievement of killing a detanator with a supply drop

u don’t waste ammo or save what is remaining but you would need to have someone like gunner with shield to survive guiding the det to the location

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[mystic breach]

Anyone here got any way of dealing with the hordes during Stage 2?

We've been getting swarm after swarm before we can clear one out, and we built specifically for crowd control.

[eager parcel]

You can try get stage two done as fast as possible

Since point extraction builds up swarms the longer you are there for

[plush dew]

do blackbox imidiatly, do aquars after. if you fail then just try to remember where they were so you get it done faster next time

[echo edge]

PE on deep dives use to scale on your whole deep dive time not just the current stage time did they patch this?

[plush dew]

do you have some evidence of this ever having been the case, or a change on a patchnote? because its not the case right now and i dont recall that ever being the case.
it sounds to me like thats a lowlevel player myth like "aquas causing swarms" which is also not true, but maybe i'm wrong and when DD's were released it initially was the case for total time

[feral scarab]

It's a myth that has been debunked over a year ago, but that doesn't stop people from parrotting it. https://redd.it/ehnepd

[wraith shard]

Let me guess, you like the explosion too?

Or perhaps the challenge since they can insta-down

[fresh escarp]

Both

[wraith shard]

Ah

[chrome zinc]

ive seen this guy who believed DD stages in general became more difficult the longer you take and tried to rush objectives without mining nitra and attempting to do black box themselves, then called us bad for not rushing

[echo edge]

I personally never notice because I run my dives only once so I never had the opportunity to compare 2 PE stages I was just wondering because some people seem to have trouble with PE this week

[chrome zinc]

the black box in the PE this week is a killer

took me three tries at least to do it right

[echo edge]

Black boxes are the same as getting an event on regular PE, you either start it as soon as you drop in if it s relatively clear or right after clearing the first wave at 5mins

[shell tapir]

doesnt PE get more difficult the longer you take though? I thought that's how it worked

the frequency of enemy spawns definitely seems to increase over time

[echo edge]

It does

That s why you clear the black box early

[chrome zinc]

what about the link above

[shell tapir]

that's a different thing

[echo edge]

That s concerning my question above

[formal rock]

how long are deep dives usually

i wanna do one before i go to work around 1 pm est

[chrome zinc]

about an hour

[formal rock]

sweet thank you imma do it

[chrome zinc]

both my DD and EDD were 1 hr 3 mins

always depends on the team and the missions

[formal rock]

im hosting a US deep dive if anyone would like to join

[zenith warren]

run and gun, baby.

and yeah budget an hour for a dive

at -least-

sometimes the terrain gen is particularly unfriendly, too

[plush dew]

nah, terrain gen doesnt matter. just how many escorts you get

[zenith warren]

how does terrain gen not matter

you can easily spend more time looking for and navigating to that one last cave for aquarq because generation put it so far back it doesn't show on the scanner as a cave unless you hugged that wall

[plush dew]

because that should only extend your PE mission from like 5 minutes to 6 or 7. while escort on its own will always be 25 minutes or whatever, no matter what

not counting blackbox' which also add an autoscroller minimum time

[zenith warren]

I mean, no matter how much I ping bosco he's only gonna go so fast

[plush dew]

doesnt mean you cant go fast in solo. i was obviously talking about multiplayer, but even in solo it shouldnt take you anywhere near 20 minutes if you know the PE layouts

there are 3 more aquas than required on the map

[zenith warren]

sorry I'm not up to your standards, I will solo my deep dives better

[plush dew]

and no machine events, means no aqua clumbs in some random cave

i'm just explaining to you why i think layouts dont matter as much

compared to getting an escort

[ocean vapor]

guys, i lost connection to a deep dive and it tells me i cant rejoin?

does anyone know how i can rejoin the dive

[fresh escarp]

Cant dude

No late join sadly

[shell tapir]

I thought you could?

[plush dew]

sometimes you can rejoin. if the host crashes you obviously never can

[spark spade]

RIP Steeve 3:29-3:29 He literally walked under the incoming supply pod 3 seconds after I tamed him

Of course he would die at the worst possible time too, at the very start of a swarm in EDD stage 2

[fresh escarp]

F

[plush dew]

you mean you didnt pull him away properly

[spark spade]

I mean I went one direction and he went the other because he was already aggro on something.

[plush dew]

unlucky

[topaz plover]

if you hit ESC and intentionally disconnect using Leave Team or Exit Game, you can rejoin

if you disconnect due to internet/program crash no reconnect 😦

[spark spade]

Well, this sucks. After nearly finishing the EDD yesterday, I just can't get past stage 2 again today. I won't get to do it this week. 😦

[fluid sun]

Not even by rushing the black box?

[spark spade]

Nah, got a detonator this last time after I built a bunker with my Engie, it busted right through the roof and downed me.

[fluid sun]

I'm guessing you didn't notice it approaching? I started using the smg on the Engi because it slows down the detonators massively, could go with that to keep it at bay

[spark spade]

I had no idea it was there, didn't hear anything, suddenly its footsteps were right above me and I saw the particles through the roof. It was too late at that point. Been using SMG and BC, its working well, just keep having bad luck. At this point, I've tried it so many times that I'm getting disheartened and have pretty much given up any hope of finishing it.

[fluid sun]

😔

Certainly much harder to solo than last week

[spark spade]

Yeah, and RNG seems to be against me this time too. The one time I made it to stage 3, I got to the Heartstone, only for 2 Detonators to spawn as soon as I started drilling, got stuck playing catch up with repairing Dotty after beating them, only to lose the dozer on phase 3 a few seconds before hitting phase 4

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[fresh escarp]

Ugh... Im not getting this thing done

[prisma junco]

gonna do the normal DD today before it ends

[fluid sun]

No luck clearing it as group, or also trying solo?

[strong sonnet]

i cleared it under an hour today, good team

[strong sonnet]

if you need an extra dwarf to help just ping me

[fresh escarp]

@strong sonnet thanks for the offer but I'm on xbox

[fresh escarp]

No luck Lancelot. I've tried it 21 times now

[strong sonnet]

[fluid sun]

The black box, just horrible

Horrible placement

[fresh escarp]

Indeed

Second stage placement sucks

[indigo oracle]

Stage 2 is pretty brutal but I just can't solo the heartstone fight as driller.
Bosco AI just keeps letting random spitters get a plate for free and I swear he does nothing during rocks.

[fresh escarp]

I did second stage as gunner with AC I destroyed

Except for when 2 bulks spawn doing black box

[indigo oracle]

Only way I've managed to do the black box was rushing it the second I dropped in.
even had to bunker it as driller.

[fresh escarp]

Noted

[indigo oracle]

did it once as engineer as well, with gratuitous use of bug repellent platforms to funnel them.

[fresh escarp]

I tried bug repellent

[indigo oracle]

I just really lack any decent overclocks to solo it. Only useful one I have for any primary is Sticky Fuel

[fresh escarp]

Sticky fuel is

[indigo oracle]

Strong Arm was nice to have though, stage one to yeet flares for leeches, and stage 2 to yeet and juggle aquarqs.

[fresh escarp]

Well

At least tomorrow's EDD is gonna be triple escort

[fluid sun]

I kinda like escorts because of how messy they can get

Once had one with four bulks along the way

[fresh escarp]

Same

This week on the black box i got quad bulk detoed

[fluid sun]

I don't know why it felt like bulks just spawn more often recently

[fresh escarp]

Is fun

[fluid sun]

Not so much in uplinks
But it's been a while without in EDD I think

[fresh escarp]

Duh

I swear im still pised with that run. So close to victory...

Doing black box but bam quad bulk det and they kept blocked each others weakpoints

I should mention I was driller

[fluid sun]

Did you actually get four at the same time?

[fresh escarp]

Yes

I put a bug report in and everything

[fluid sun]

Did you screenshot it

[tropic bluff]

Oh jeez

I got 2 bulk dets at once and I thought I was unlucky

[fluid sun]

I got that twice yesterday

But four at once sounds otherworldly

[narrow nexus]

I tried soloing the EDD but the black box on the point extraction fucked me over

[fresh escarp]

Sadly no because I tried to fight all 4 of them

[thick smelt]

That blackbox on stage 2 is hell

pillbugs pinballing dwarves left and right

little monsters

[zenith warren]

yeah they have a perfect angle of attack

[whole goblet]

It took me 7 tries (like 5 different groups) before we finishes stage 2 lol, and even then it was barely. Stage 3 was so much easier.

[zenith warren]

yep

except for the condescending XXMLGXX PROZ, this one was rough for everyone

seen "just know the terrain generation!" as a valid reason for why stage 2 is easy

like, not everyone has a thousand hours in the game yet, and if they are, they aren't asking for help because they don't need it

[spark spade]

Crap. Had like ten seconds left on the last phase of the Heartstone in stage 3 and lost the damn dozer. I don't think I've got the heart to try it again 😦

Screw it, I've come this far, I've got time for 2 more good attempts. Here's hoping for the best

[valid haven]

what are the alt weapons of scout?

[wet shale]

M1000 classic, a precision rifle, and the dual Zhukov, a pair of automatic pistols

[valid haven]

what does the rifle replace?

[wet shale]

the rifle replace your deepcore gk2 assault rifle, the zhukov replace your shotgun

[valid haven]

and lastly how do i get the automatic pistols

[wet shale]

level your scout to 15, then you get an assignment at the assignment terminal
do the missions, and you are allowed to buy the zhukovs.

[valid haven]

ight thx

[manic hatch]

Need New enemy: "Get sticked bug lol"

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[plush dew]

how many lootbugs does one have to sacrefice to not get escort for a week

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Bestial Shelf
Stage 1: Protect The Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Low Oxygen
Stage 3: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 1 Dreadnought | Cave Leech Cluster

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Barbarous Den
Stage 1: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + 1 Dreadnought | Shield Disruption
Stage 3: Protect the Drilldozer + 150 Morkite | Mactera Plague

[plush dew]

6 eggs + dread on stage 2, shield disrupt for edd

[hard dust]

did they reset the deep dives then?

[quiet mortar]

They do once a week. Always today, always this time.
So we can all get our rewards again, yummy

[hard dust]

i need me some nummy blanky bois

[tight heron]

I need

Hats

[hard dust]

so i can maybe get turret arc and some more breechy bois

ocs

[plush dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587512346604208130/799254610505498644/unknown.png

its truly impossible to escape

its there, every week

[tight heron]

[hard dust]

ah good another dozer mission

so i can have a bulk det spawn during rocks phase

[main wraith]

got turret arc and its trash

[plush dew]

atleast its only 1 stop

[fluid sun]

A debuff on every stage lol

[signal pawn]

those are the best

karl forbid the endgame be easy

[dusk urchin]

escort in the dives again oh no

[plush dew]

mactera plague was easy, could be hard without cryo nade, snowball and breachcutter lol

[floral tusk]

escort

again

and again

i am not gonna do it

doesn't worth the time investment

[plush dew]

atleast both of them only have 1 stop

and easy refuel rooms

[floral tusk]

i won't be playtesting it for them

[wraith shard]

I like the dozer.

😎

[floral tusk]

i don't hate the dozer

i am a payday player so i have a high tolarence for jank

problem is that it takes too long

and everybody on the team needs to know what to do at all times

[plush dew]

i dont like how predictable it is. you run together, killing spawns that are always the same right behind the dozer, or in the last stage. very little variance. ontop of that it takes long and refueling isnt really great

[floral tusk]

refueling part is nice for pacing

but depeding on the cave this part can take 2-10 minutes

and blowing up oil shale is while time efficient i heard from people that it also destroys some of the shale

so you may ended up getting shale from a different cave

[plush dew]

shale is easy in both ones

small rooms

doesnt take long

atleast

[zinc coral]

yeah i agree. i dont mind the concept of dozer mission, even the time it takes to do refueling stage is fine for me personally.although it is annoying when the cave u have isn't enough shales so thats the only annoying part, otherwise the time to do it is fine for me.

but as u said, the predictability of it feels so off compared to the sense u get from playing other objectives. feels too linear, doesnt have that "exploring" aspect of it imo

[floral tusk]

new areas opening up is nice tho there is nothing stopping players to just dig to the next cave themselves.

predictability is not a problem

[fresh escarp]

I've never done a Low o2 on an On Site

Do the pipes has o2 tanks on them?

[floral tusk]

no

[fresh escarp]

Shit

[floral tusk]

neither pumpjacks

[fresh escarp]

That's cancer

[floral tusk]

bring scout and driller lol

and spread out the supply pods

[fresh escarp]

Will do. Except it's first stage so...

[floral tusk]

i read morkite as first

[fresh escarp]

Ughhhhh stage 3 is mactera plague

[floral tusk]

it shouldn't take more than 15 minutes tops

[fresh escarp]

I hate mactera

[floral tusk]

i like mactera tho on haz 5 they are incredibly dangerous

and since it is escort bunkering is not a option

[fresh escarp]

Yup

So gg bois

Im interested to see how this week plays out

Ya know I dont care about cosmetics (yet). I'm trying to get myself the damn Special Powder OC

[floral tusk]

i tend to kill myself with special powder more than doing sth usefull

tho i recently started to play scout

[fresh escarp]

SP is

So good

Rj250 compound is super fun too

Hate the friendly fire tho

[floral tusk]

use fire with it

you do about 10-15 damage tops

fire is enough to kill grunts i think

i am not so sure because you know... nukes

[fresh escarp]

Nukes

Nukes are nukes

Go mo area damage

[wheat solstice]

finally solo'd edd as scout

got downed three times all on the second mission

[shell tapir]

shield disruption

not sure I'm even gonna try EDD this week lol, maybe just do first stage and after that if we fail I won't bother

[wheat solstice]

shield disruption is especially painful with the dreadnought

fucker 1shots you with the fireball if you can't dodge

[shell tapir]

could go for the elemental resistance perk

not sure if that works for mactera goo stuff

[wraith shard]

EDD Stage 2 sucked so bad. Bulk chased us into dread room, but we didn't know that. I nuked the bulk and the explosion released the dreadnought. Same explosion also killed everyone cuz the room was tiny. Barely got out with Iron Will just to be cancelled by a group of macteras. 10/10

I’m hyped for the EDD tonight.

[plush dew]

doesnt work, dreads "fire"ball is explosive damage. mactera goo "blob shot" is also explosive damage (for some reason)

elemental isolation right now, is an almost completly useless perk, except for radioactive exclusion zone. and for normal missions im too lazy to slot it in, i am doing it for EDD in radioactive tho.

[vale falcon]

very strong against preats and damage chip prevention

[amber junco]

Elemental isolation also makes magma core considerably less aggrevating.

[full furnace]

Oh my god, more drilldozer?

I don't mind the mission, but holy crap, we've had it for how long now?

[vale falcon]

since it released

[plush dew]

once even twice in the same edd

[shell tapir]

I like the drilldozer

my main annoyance is when the fuel is really annoying to get and teammates aren't helping with zipline/drilling

[fresh escarp]

^^

I usually use my c4 and TPC to mine the oil shale

[meager tinsel]

Yo question for theeeeeeeee

Snowball overclock

what's a good perk set for that

I wanna have something handy for Mactera Plague

[plush dew]

perks are like the same as with every cryo loadout. you want vampire and dash regardless.
in multiplayer iron will is just better if you know when to use it and dont just imidiatly fire it because you went down. for solo steeve / hover are a bit better probably, maybe even heightened sense if you dont trust bosco.
deep pockets if you're epc mining, so you can go faster and have to deposit less often, strong arm is decent for solo to spot nitra etc.
quick deposit is good if you use the damage reduction zone wisely.
this weeks EDD and DD both have very few leeches, so keep looking out for them.

[quiet wyvern]

i really hate Dotty, wine's too much, too fragile, and most likely to be destroyed by a bulk detonator, how lovely

[vale falcon]

sounds just like you

[full furnace]

Well, in my Deep Dive, Dotty kept taking random damage from no source what so ever.

[echo edge]

Is it the first time a drilldozer stage only has one fuel stop? On DD 1 St stage unless I didn't pay attention

[full furnace]

Even after I got the heartstone she kept taking damage, so I had to finish it asap afterwards to make sure, I didn't like, fail it because she get destroyed after.

[quiet wyvern]

might be a glitch in the rad. zone, i've encountered it before

[full furnace]

Dotty might have gotten cancer.

Dotty needs a rad suit to prevent this.

[quiet wyvern]

"shouldn't we be wearing protective suits"

[full furnace]

Don't worry, if the dwarves ever get cancer they can drinks drink endless amounts of beer to kill the cells.

[quiet wyvern]

"shouldn't we be wearing protective suits"

srry wasn't seeing the messages load for some reason, that's why i saw 2 of the same thing, my apologies

[fresh escarp]

Drink blackout stout or wormhole special

[quiet wyvern]

the only true way for dwarves to sober up!

[fresh escarp]

Yup

[full furnace]

That guy in Mission Control doesn't have to deal with this.

[full furnace]

Wow, I had bad luck with Bulks on that last phase of the DD.

Three showed up, and the last two got me at least once.

The second one ambushed me the bastard

[wraith shard]

Are you guys soloing the DD’s?

[full furnace]

I just solo'd mine.

[wraith shard]

Gotcha.

[full furnace]

There's no such thing as 'Just one Bulk'.

[wraith shard]

That’s where triple split + return to sender seems to come in handy. It just deletes them.

[full furnace]

They are still very nasty if you get caught in a narrow cave with one, or while having to deal with a swarm.

Web Slingers + Bulks are evil.

[robust wind]

what's the happy happs on the EDD this week

i see shield disruption dreadnaught which is gross

[wraith shard]

Shield Disruption?

Np

Least my games are pretty generous with the Sugar

[robust wind]

yos, what are the first two missions tho

[wraith shard]

#deep-dive-discussion message

Anyone wanna do an Elite Deep dive?

We currently have a lobby of 2

I'm the host and positioned in Netherland

[random rampart]

You might wanna go over #lfg-steam to try that

[strange copper]

does bosco's revives transfer between the different stages of a deep dive?

[wraith shard]

They refill

[strange copper]

oh thats good

thanks

[brave atlas]

Just got stuck between pipelines on stage 1 EDD. Good time!

This is the 4th time so far

Better than stuck at stage 3 I suppose

Gotta say that low oxygen liquid morkite is the worst type of mission

[unkempt belfry]

ive only done it once and it definitely sucked more than anything else i can think of

basically nonstop grinding back to the platform

[wraith shard]

You kinda HAVE to place a supply pod near every pump

It sucks that the pumps themself don't give o2, some say it would be to easy then, ah well

[meager tinsel]

Oh wait I misworded my prior question, apologies

For a driller's snowball OC what's a good uhhhhh

lord.

the like. Weapon thingies

the actual build on it

[sick coral]

weapon Mods

[meager tinsel]

Yeah ! thank you lmao

[sick coral]

Mods >> weapons, Perks >> character

I always call them weapon perks and confuse myself

[meager tinsel]

I do too oops 😅

Ive only ever used the perfectly tuned cooler I think and it's good but just in case I need something to CC a mactera plague , I know snowballs a handy build, I just dunno what the actual mods are that would make it most effective

idk if pouring too much into ammo capacity would negate cooling power to the point that a single shot is ineffective against a cluster

[sick coral]

I just love flamer so much I'll save the freezing for others

from what I hear snowball and ice spear both get used similarly, that being: secondary use is for edge cases, not most cases

like Mactera or menace

since driller REALLY gets screwed by a mactera swarm. Snowball = all gone

[plush dew]

you can go full ammo without worrying. i play 21132, you should have a ton of extra ammo that way. the lower direct freeze power is only noticeable against macteras tho, since glacial radiance and sticky ice do not scale with it.

[meager tinsel]

Agreed with the flamer, I'll be honoest I've been using sticky fuel for like

The whole pandemic,,,,,

BUT I wanna try some dif stuff and stay flexible

[plush dew]

for everything else, make sure to shoot at the ground below them, oppressors and praetorians, if you can

[meager tinsel]

also Thank you !!!!!!

[zenith warren]

yeah that EDD mission one suuuuucks. here's a pit with a morkite well in it, better hope you have a real quick way back

[karmic yew]

Is it worse than last weeks with the black box on the 2nd stage? Lol

Open area and non stop spawns

[brave atlas]

This week's EDD is easy. Stage one is an annoyance. That's all.

To make an open area easy to defend, I blow sachel charges around the black box to create craters.

This way bugs will take a much longer time to get to you

Prae usually miss their spit attack when aiming up from the pits

I hope the two new areas have jadiz. Constantly running low on jadiz because it is the type of mineral you can mine the least of

Magnite is just everywhere

[misty scaffold]

I think it's about time devs add something to prevent the same mission type from appearing for months straight

[plain depot]

Hello miners, I would like to know if the game will be crossplay between the microsoft store and steam one day?!

[quiet mortar]

Yeah, I do agree. I think we've gotten at least one Escort every Dive since U32

[sleek verge]

the way the game is structured atm does not allow for crossplay @plain depot

[zenith warren]

crossplay is not so much on their end as much as it requires the cooperation of microsoft

[zenith warren]

didn't say it was hard, I said it sucked

[mossy jacinth]

there was a deto in stage 2 edd

[round flare]

our driller kept almost killing me in stage 2 edd

[mossy jacinth]

all of my teammates were down and i was backed into a corner as gunner

i had to outrun the deto with dash

almost killing me

[zenith warren]

also btw on stage 2 EDD: spitballer as soon as you exit the pod

[mossy jacinth]

almost

[brave atlas]

was not replying to your msg

[spark spade]

Ok, where the f is the last pumpjack site in EDD stage 1? I got the one way on the bottom and the one straight out from line 2 that's up just a bit higher than the main pump.

[buoyant scroll]

alright

[zenith warren]

one is past one of the pumps in a cave that hangs rightward out from the pump

[buoyant scroll]

what clown at managment is in charge of the edds lately?

another escort third mission? and mactera plague?

ffs

[zenith warren]

like, there's the one in the pit, there's one not in the pit, there's one in a back area cave

also, no black boxes

decent amount of nitra, mactera plague isn't that big of a deal and the escort is only one fuel stop

if you can navigate the pain that is stage 1's layout you should be good to go

[zenith warren]

ah you used the same word shortly after, so I couldn't tell

[spark spade]

Found the cave its in, this is a stupid weird layout.

[zenith warren]

the best way to say how to find the third well is looking from the minehead towards both wells, stay on that height and go straight across until you find an opening to the right

yeah

it wouldn't be that bad except O2.

O2 means you gotta look go back look go back look go back until you find it, or until you figure a good place to put a drop

if you can hold off putting a drop in early, I'd absolutely put it with the back cave pump just in case. that's also where my pod dropped, not sure how consistent pod location is with mineheads

[patent sinew]

Goddamit I’m dealing with a dumb as shit driller

Ordering Resupply pods while Doretta is in motion

Pushing the call Drop Pod button when I tell him I need to heal

Not drilling through a tiny wall so I can make it to the pod

[spark spade]

I think stage 2 will be the make or break one this time tbh, the no shield is going to be rough at such a high difficulty, however, being eggs, I won;'t have to worry about a swarm until I start it myself, so that may be enough to make it through

[patent sinew]

Extracting eggs while Doretta is in motion

Starting heartstone before engineer sets up his the turrets

[golden musk]

DD done as a classic team , went well
EDD had a 2gunner/driller/engi , a bit tough on the drilldozer/mactera plague but we did it ,
for the low O² stage better try to place wisely the supply pod/O²
good luck to everyone doing it and Rock&Stone lads

[zenith warren]

the layout isn't terribly hostile and you should have plenty of room to hose the dread

and the final isn't bad unless you get unlucky/have lackluster dps

and since dps is more about mods than skill...

[feral atlas]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1751305007958533556/33BFC3A5BBF8087985B1CF2F276C0E3A594CD5EF/

ez clap

[dawn sonnet]

I revived 25 times this EDD
Not that ez clap for us

[feral atlas]

you gotta find better teammates

[zenith warren]

looking at your game's stats I could say the same for you, mr big shoulders

[feral atlas]

they were randoms, and 8 downs is ok for that

[patent sinew]

I didn’t know Hoarders could spawn in deep dives

[feral atlas]

both hoarder and crassus can I believe

[patent sinew]

I ran into a Hoarder on Normal Deep Dive stage3

[zenith warren]

yeah hoarders can

I don't bother with them, since I solo

and they have massive electricity resistance

[fresh escarp]

Yeah same

Also anyone have like, 20 bulk dets on third stage of DD?

[odd rover]

First EDD done for me

Damn

[digital scaffold]

I had two. That was pretty rad.

[zenith warren]

I think I had only one in stage 2

[fresh escarp]

I had 8

8. FUCKING. BULKS

[digital scaffold]

Holy smokes.

Did you manage them?

[zenith warren]

didn't you have this issue last week? did you anger a witch?

[fresh escarp]

Idk but I used one to kill the dread

[digital scaffold]

Lol nice

[fresh escarp]

It doesnt matter anyways a full mag of my BC kills them anyways

[prisma junco]

any tips for this EDD?

What worked well for everyone, what were mistakes that people made?

[feral atlas]

don't die

[prisma junco]

this week's looks p hard on paper so I wanna be prepared before I attempt tonight

[feral atlas]

otherwise, just build for mactera

[fresh escarp]

Honestly? Have a cryo driller on your team

[prisma junco]

snowball?

[feral atlas]

there are ton of ways to cheese mactera

but since stage 2 is dread, probably a 3 line BC

[prisma junco]

hmm

[feral atlas]

a minigun build is also simultaneously okay for both the dread and mactera

[prisma junco]

cryo nades also I'd assume?

[feral atlas]

sure, but if you're confident in your skills, I wouldn't go scout

[prisma junco]

I always do them full team

that's just how I have the most fun

[feral atlas]

then have the best players in the team go engi and gunner

scout and driller can contribute, they're just not the current power classes given weapon balance

the EDD overall is pretty easy except if you get jumped by a mactera cloud on the last stage

even including that, depending on the classes you usually player this EDD is on the easier end

[prisma junco]

@feral atlas I'm thinking MPA warthog and lightweight cases triple split line w/ extra line width?

I'm running Engi to be clear

[feral atlas]

I've probably run Minishells since I got them so I wouldn'tknow about the primary

but stock bc with triple split should be fine

[prisma junco]

coolio

[zenith warren]

only stage 1 should be an issue and if you've got a full team, finding the three wells is scout's job anyways

[spark spade]

Wow, got this EDD first run. Lol

[zenith warren]

ayup

the only thing that I got downed to was O2

[spark spade]

I used the same basic setup you told me about with stubby and BC. Works pretty damn well

[zenith warren]

yup

[mighty bone]

Hey all, I just got my first promotion and I'm not sure how things go from here- should I finish Breach the Core before doing a Deep Dive? Are Deep Dives brutally hard and/or really need synergy or should I be alright with a team of randoms?

[zenith warren]

Yes, not really, it helps, and maybe.

[feral atlas]

if you can handle haz3, you should be able to handle normal dives

[zenith warren]

it scales with amount of players, I just solo it so I know it's all on me

[feral atlas]

if you can handle haz4, you should be able to solo elites or perform non-critical roles in a decent pub team

if you want to carry pub teams or be trusted with anything important, get used to haz5 with mutators

[mighty bone]

So finish Breach first, I should be alright, I have no idea what actually synergises in a team anyhow and okay maybe I should try solo

[feral atlas]

and by get used to, I mean something like an 80%+ win ratio, and you're good enough to the extent where haz5 is your default difficulty

[zenith warren]

the only thing you lose on failure is your time in a solo, no one can get mad at you or you at them

[mighty bone]

I'm not around to minmax or anything, I just want to finish one for now and see what happens

[zenith warren]

and pubbing it is a real grab bag

have you done okay in haz 4s?

[mighty bone]

Why would people get mad, there's nothing to lose

With people, yes, but usually not in random teams

[zenith warren]

because some people are Just Like That

[mighty bone]

I play Scout if that means anything

[feral atlas]

losing pub EDDs result in wasted time

cus you get sent back to the beginning, and that's a long time for the longer ones

[mighty bone]

Losing isn't wasted time, it's just fun minus some payoff, leading to more gameplay :S

[feral atlas]

losing is not fun for many people

[zenith warren]

yeah some people aren't MLG PRO at the game yet

[feral atlas]

especially if you feel like the loss was due to somebody else's mistakes

[strong sonnet]

You don't need to be a god to do edd, just do your role, and listen to your superiors

[mighty bone]

Superiors? Bruh

[zenith warren]

there are no superiors

[feral atlas]

meh, just learn through suffering then

[strong sonnet]

Dont be the scout that goes off into the distance and doesnt mine the nitra in the cave everyone's in

[strong sonnet]

This is how greenbeards learn, because telling them certainly doesnt help

[mighty bone]

Well yeah, that's just doing your role

[zenith warren]

how does anyone get good at the game if they don't learn

[feral atlas]

everybody learns

not everybody needs to be taught

[mighty bone]

I'll just jump into one eventually on my own I guess

[feral atlas]

but some people can't learn without somebody else actively teaching them

[zenith warren]

they're not as intimidating as he's making it to sound like

[mighty bone]

Well I'll get the assignment done first sure 🙂

[feral atlas]

It depends on the circumstances.

You can often tell, in the lobby, how the missions is going to go.

[mighty bone]

Yeah well duh, if they don't rock and stone they're not coming home

[feral atlas]

You generally want experienced players in the power classes.

[mighty bone]

I want nice people playing what they like

[feral atlas]

Scout and driller you can be more flexible with on EDDs.

Because usually their role is more non-critical.

[mighty bone]

Hell yeah, low expectations ❤️

[feral atlas]

But generally speaking still, if you want to beat EDDs consistently without racking up 5 or 6 attempts, you should be comfortable with Haz5 with mutators.

Otherwise, your strategy will effectively boil down to throwing shit at the wall until you get lucky.

Not matter whether or not you decide to fill in the power class slots.

[odd rover]

@prisma junco Last stage rewards cryo grenades on scout, there's a breeder in the last room and you can nuke the 5-7 mactera you get every once and a while w/ them.

First stage for O2 we set up resupplies by the two further pumpjacks, had a third at a mid-point.

Second stage is incredibly ordinary, just a lot easier to die w/ shield disruption.

[devout vortex]

Relatively new and haven't failed any deep dives just yet, but this week's might do me in

[prisma junco]

Noted, thanks!

[fresh escarp]

Im defo struggling here

Like

I got 8 bulk dets on the DD and im scared for the EDD

[pallid lily]

8 bulk dets on DD? that’s some Dream Luck right there

[fresh escarp]

Yup

The cave leeches istg have like

3 dwarves worth of reach

I'll be like, 9 feet away from the grabber and BAM

Ya got grabbed!

[patent sinew]

I got less cave leeches on the final deep dive mission

Which is the one with the Cave Leech Cluster

The first or second one had our Driller run into two in the span of a minute

He FINALLY calmed down after that

[hard dust]

so

me n my bro did the deep dive

got the first two done ez

then the third

we hop off the drop pod, a bulk spawns behind us

i kill it but get grabbered in the process

my brudda got downed by an unlucky kaboom

he somehow went the one wrong direction to get bulked in the face outside det range

anyway

so i escape the grabber,, into a spitballer, and then get cave leeched right after breeching that boi

i think hoxxes said no

[fiery hedge]

That's some Final Destination right there

[true gust]

I felt your pain deep in my bone brother, that might be how Karl was gone.😩 😩 😩

[shell tapir]

spitballers are brutal sometimes

[dim trellis]

the mactera on stage 3... I’ve never seen so many spawn at once

scout had Kobe’s spirit with some amazing cryo nades

[restive bay]

[fresh escarp]

I cant remember but some kindly dwarf was gonna help me with the EDD today

[torpid matrix]

your discord status is a mood >.>

[fresh escarp]

Huh?

[vale falcon]

mood

[fresh escarp]

Oh

Yeah... I have a lot of parent issues

[torpid matrix]

big same

[fresh escarp]

F

[fresh escarp]

Soooooooo

This weeks DD was interesting for me

I did it again as gunner

Im cursed or some shit

I got bulk detoed 13 times this go around

[zenith warren]

that's absolutely bonkers

[fresh escarp]

Yes it is

IM FUCKING CURSEDDDDD

[zenith warren]

take screenshots, that sounds amazing

[quartz badge]

i really admire your additude. very cool, even if i can't relate 100%

[sick coral]

also important to remember, each mission of a deep dive completed gives you a reward so losing in Mission 3 is still progress because you get 2 overclocks. Mission 3 is the least important because it is always a cosmetic forge item that you can also get from your mission 1 blank core (should you choose to go cosmetic over weapon at machine events)

the only things fully finishing a DD/EDD does is make your matrix core progress a little bit faster and the milestone completion. Since you have about an excess of ~60 perk points when all milestones are completed the only reason to care about that is if you are trying to 100% complete EVERYTHING

[prisma junco]

2 attempts for an EDD is v reasonable

[mighty bone]

That's good to know 🙂

[knotty rune]

Hi

[mossy jacinth]

had like 4 this time

[fossil urchin]

@fresh escarp I should run with you some time, I had a total of 4 across all 36 tries on last week's edd

[zenith warren]

I don't know reddit at all, but I can guess what that means

no, I don't go to reddit

I think it has a bad layout that's hard to read

it's not like the game is bug free

the entire premise of the game is shooting the other kind

it's not impossible, because nothing is

[sick coral]

if the internet is to be believed then every game is either completely bug free or completely unplayable

[zenith warren]

also every single story is a lie, even if there's zero reason for it

ok

I don't care so much about this as you do so sure whatever. maybe it's an exaggeration, maybe it's true, maybe it's entirely made up

[sick coral]

a lot of those posts are also from modded servers where the statement is true

but also, the game really likes to spawn bulks

I've had two spawn at once on top of each other during a Black Box holdout

[zenith warren]

I swear I only get to shoot bulks like once per dive now, unless I'm not solo, in which case here's 3 in a haz 2 you joined just to get your core missions done

ok

[fallen axle]

Hi all! I have a problem with deep dive re-connection. And i can't report in bug-report chat. I was playing and disconnected because of bad internet connection. After this i tried many times to reconnect, but no luck. This is sad 😦

[grizzled ledge]

how difficult is this week's EDD?

[zenith warren]

actually pretty reasonable, the first stage's layout is a pain but it's not actually bad, just plan ahead

if you're soloing it then it's going to take you time to navigate the pit and to find the third well

[devout vortex]

My EDD spawned 2.835x10^85 bulks on top of each other. Yes, there were more bulks than available to allocate within the unsigned 64 bit integer limit by a dozen orders of magnitude. Guys I'm being serious please my RAM and GPU are currently a melted slurry pooling at the bottom of my pc, accumulating in my psu and causing an electrical fire.

[wraith shard]

Shouldn’t have mained scout.

[fringe kettle]

Just put the smoke back in, easy fix.

[sick coral]

does that mean that bulk detonators are a replacement for my gas top stove?

[wraith shard]

yes

[pastel wasp]

how many stops is dorry in the DD?

[prisma junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757421745874534555/799803838596644894/unknown.png

Engi carry 😤

[sturdy field]

stfu I kept all those critters off of you

[pastel wasp]

engy is probs the easiest class to look good on

[sturdy field]

but that was one of the best deep dives ever

and really hard

[prisma junco]

true

eh only the first stage was hard

we kinda wrecked it afterwards

[sturdy field]

well hard as in fun to have a challenge

after we hauled 300 nitra out of stage 1

[prisma junco]

yeah the last two were 💤

[sturdy field]

the last one was fun

[prisma junco]

the dives before this one I mean

[sturdy field]

tru

[dark gulch]

Who's got the nice list of what the DD and EDD is this week?

[pastel wasp]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Bestial Shelf
Stage 1: Protect The Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Low Oxygen
Stage 3: Refine Liquid Morkite + 1 Dreadnought | Cave Leech Cluster

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Barbarous Den
Stage 1: Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + 1 Dreadnought | Shield Disruption
Stage 3: Protect the Drilldozer + 150 Morkite | Mactera Plague

[warped rune]

check 📌

[vale falcon]

its already pinned

[pastel wasp]

whoevers maintaining that should add how many stops dorry has

[warped rune]

i mean check the pins

This server doesnt have such emote

[pastel wasp]

the singular pin with the excel sheet

[fringe kettle]

yeah there's no excuse in this channel, there's one pinned message

[warped rune]

well in my solo edd there was 1 stop

[pastel wasp]

im saying the excel sheet should have refuel #

theyre both 1 stop

this week

[vale falcon]

picky picky

your list doesnt have it either

[pastel wasp]

that was a copy paste of someone elses

[pastel wasp]

specifically this

[dark gulch]

ok ok, I've been sufficiently chastised, thanks gents

[feral scarab]

good idea, will look into adding that tomorrow who needs sleep anyway, added

[balmy musk]

what is a deep dive?

[hard dust]

anyone wanna help drag me through a EDD?

i can provide platforms and platform accessories, i can heal, and have turrets

and can kinda hold my own in a fight

[tender heath]

3 back to back missions, where the secondary mission in each is what might be a shorter primary mission normally; you need a promoted class in order to do them; your nitra carries through the whole mission

[rapid sage]

anyone wanna deep dive?

[fresh escarp]

@rapid sage am I too late?

Also what do you play on?

[vagrant lark]

I was praying that I wouldn’t get egg hunt or shield disruption

Go figure I got both

[wraith shard]

look at the bright side, if it's white smoke your PC already knows who the next pope gonna be

[edgy jungle]

how hard is the third stage of elite?

[plush dew]

if you bring anti mactera builds, then its not difficult.

[quiet wyvern]

Indeed

[zenith warren]

steeve

[pastel wasp]

I reckon the first two are harder than the third this week

a good portion of the trouble w/ macteras is the grabbers, and doretta usually keeps the team fairly close together; so if you're able to beat no o2 refinery & no shields egg hunt, mactera doretta should be quite managable

[tardy trench]

EDD stage 2 was a nightmare

Stage 3 was easy by comparison

[pastel wasp]

might tag that guy, he asked quite a while ago, @edgy jungle

[sleek verge]

Not very

7 resupplies for heartstone

[dim trellis]

bruh

actually it’s stage 3 use everything and anything

[odd rover]

I ran scout w/ cryo grenades, so it was piss.

Every time we had a mactera swarm, insta-kill five of them.

Had really good teammates as well.

[quaint gate]

in this week's deep dive, is doretta in the first stage su posed to take constant damage and make a really annoying clanging noise?

[vale falcon]

its a bug

of the not alive variety

[quaint gate]

okay, thanks! we beat it but omg the sound was so annoying

[zenith warren]

it's a bug that happens in the rad zone most commonly

[narrow nexus]

Is EDD escort 1 or 2 refill?

[prisma junco]

1 refill iirc

thank god

[narrow nexus]

ikr

thanks btw

[sick coral]

feels like I only ever see people running EDD on the discord, never reg DD

[prisma junco]

regular DD is p boring

[sick coral]

still gives cores

[prisma junco]

you can kinda run w/e and still win though

[sick coral]

yup

maybe its just speedy enough that everyone finishes it day 1

[prisma junco]

EDD is actually challenging and memorable

people want to prepare for it

[sick coral]

the dreadnaught in EDD Phase 2 was pretty great

just makes me laugh that I do more EDDs than DD because I like doing them on comms

[prisma junco]

I didn't really get to experience stage 2 lol

[sick coral]

No Shields with a million swarmers and a dread

death by a million cuts

[prisma junco]

because we just lured to the starting cave and gunner and I just sort of chilled while scout and driller grabbed all of the eggs full time

[sick coral]

sounds like a good team

[prisma junco]

yeah I play with the same group for p much every EDD

it's definitely been a while since I've had a really challenging EDD

this one was a lot of fun but really really easy for sure

[sleek verge]

i did mine with randies this week and it was an interesting time but definitely fun

[prisma junco]

I loved the last stage

super fun with 3-line BC

[sleek verge]

it was super chill, loved auto cannoning down all those mactera for sure

grabbers aint nothing to an elephant round

[pallid lily]

EDD with randoms is the real challenge

[outer basin]

My first ed was with randos and it landed well clocked 1.06.32 one guy kept croaking lol

I was shocked it went smoothly with no comms

[drowsy spruce]

What y'all used for EDD?

Seems that the biggest concern was the fact that there is an endless supply of swarmers on 2 stage cuz of how brood nexus there were

And no shield

[sick coral]

Gunner with Burning Hell OC makes short work of swarmers

wasn't so bad as long as we all stuck together. If someone runs off/ahead alone they will likely just die. slow and together

[fresh escarp]

Lead Storm OC is also amazing when with a good Cryo Driller

[odd rover]

I've first-tried my first two DDs as solo scout, so it's no stretch of the imagination to suggest that people don't usually need much help to get cores if it's not EDD.

[fresh escarp]

I keep grinding for damn Special Powder

So far havent gotten it

It's been 4 weekssss

Im honestly? Probably gonna try and get it out of Forge Mastery

[odd rover]

How many weapon OCs so far?

[jovial pebble]

this deep dive is fucked

every single wave of the elite deep dive is awful

we died instantly on the third

how do people beat that shit honestly

was easily 500 bugs on screen and their all juiced up on haz 5.5

[devout vortex]

engie w nuke

ez

[maiden kelp]

How hard would these be for a solo player? i haven't got there yet but im kinda curious

[drowsy spruce]

I would suggest an underground tunnels system for stage 1

And a bunker for 2nd stage

[maiden kelp]

i'll keep that in mind, i'm close to the level and really excited for it

[knotty rampart]

i dunno what crassusdetonator is talking about. the deep dive isnt too difficult. it's haz 3, 3,5, and 3.5

the elite deep dive on the other hand