deep-dive-discussion

[cold lichen]

There’s a regular and elite deep dive to choose

And you can get crazy loot from it

@warm pollen

[warm pollen]

oh i didnt even know there was loot in the game

[cold lichen]

@warm pollen cosmetics, upgrades, modifications

[warm pollen]

ohh lolo

[rough venture]

Jesus

What is with this week's EDD

This shit is mad cursed

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[verbal wagon]

Everything went smoothly in the EDD...till stage 3.

[dim trellis]

stick together

stage 2 has various tunnels filled with juicy nitra/morkite it’s important to stick together OR regroup in a larger area. Stage 3 is a beast. first sign of bugs whether u get an alert or not, regroup ASAP

[hoary badge]

Русские

[untold sinew]

Yep

[vale falcon]

@hoary badge #fan-communities deep rock galatic-ru for the russian community

[hoary badge]

Спасибо

[ruby bear]

cheeki breeki

[vale falcon]

любое время

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[empty topaz]

Gawd, is it just me of is the current EDD extra brutal?

[cerulean trellis]

Current edd is rough. You gotta go fast on stage 2 and 3. Don't stay to long in the spitballers pit in stage 2, it's a deathtrap

[half hill]

I just avoided the pit in stage 2 with a drill right to the last egg

worked pretty well

[nimble creek]

Yeah, this dive is far more difficult than usual. My advice may sound stupid, but it worked for me: do it solo as gunner. Finally got it on my sixth attempt (second after ditching teams and going alone). Less stuff, easier to kill, plus you get two BET-Cs to help you.

[cinder zenith]

map seed poses an extreme challenge

haha drills go brrrr

[cerulean trellis]

You ever just lack one of the fuel cans?

[nimble creek]

No, not really. In both solo attempts, enough oil shale broke around the drilldozer to fill 1 can and about 1/3 of the second, and I just took it to the far end of that room to harvest the rest. If you're quick, you can get them both in and start moving again before any swarms spawn.

[lime pivot]

wait, where did you find 2 bet-c's?

[lament pecan]

^

[ancient beacon]

he probably means bosco

[sinful swallow]

What do you mean, 2 BET-Cs? I just played a solo EDD as scout and there were no BET-Cs

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[rapid snow]

Dives scale difficulty based on player count, if you run solo you're unlikely to see as many insane spawns as a full team

nevermind, ignore me, the person you were responding to was also solo
(see: I have a tiny brain)

[plush dew]

bet-c is a static spawn, ie: generated on map generations. those are the same troughout all deep dives.

[sinful swallow]

Yeah, but current EDD has no BET-Cs at all? Or did I completely miss them.

[plush dew]

been a week since i did them ¯_(ツ)_/¯ so i forgot

[verbal wagon]

I do not recall seeing any on the EDD but

its been a few days

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[plush dew]

glacial and fungus dd/edd meh

[verbal wagon]

could b worse! could be magma!

[rapid snow]

fungus isn't much better than magma, but... yeah, could be magma

[nimble creek]

Yeah, I don't get it either, but I'm not kidding. Got one of them right at the end of stage 2, and another near the refinery in stage 3. They never appeared during any group attempts, so the "static" spawns (spitballers, BET-Cs and so on) must be different if you're playing solo or in a group.

I regret not recording the full run now, lol

[sinful swallow]

Crazy. Do BET-Cs following you across stages?

[nimble creek]

Nope. Wish they did, cause that refinery stage would have been crazy 😂

[plush dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587512346604208130/791648446024515624/unknown.png

AAAAAAAAAA

WHY IS IT DOZER TWICE

[signal pawn]

because who doesn't love Doretta 😄

[dapper belfry]

excuse me

[signal pawn]

this EDD will be 45mins minimum now

[onyx timber]

Is this the DD or the EDD?

[signal pawn]

EDD @onyx timber

anyone happen to know what the name of the Deep Dive is this week?

im away from my rig 😦

[dapper belfry]

DD = Forsaken Hand EDD = Massive Salute

[signal pawn]

👍

[plush dew]

both are 2 stops

fuck me

[dapper belfry]

Well now i really regret not doing last weeks lol

[drifting pulsar]

Finally finished that blasted EDD this week after multiple tries. Pretty difficult, but rewarding.

[dusk vapor]

ohhh that edd looks annoying

not hard but very long

[eager parcel]

Oh boy two hour long edd

[dusk vapor]

low o2 aint so bad on escort at least

better than the alternatives

[eager parcel]

Wait is 3 escorts in a row technically possible

[dapper belfry]

so help me god if I wake up a week from now to 3 in a row because of you

[signal pawn]

https://reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/kjc52k/weekly_deep_dives_thread_24th_december_2020/

Dive details since Muffincat is probably doing holiday stuff

[signal pawn]

Don’t think so, 2/3 is the most. That being said - double two stop Doretta is a doozy

[misty scaffold]

"Please, no more escorts on deep dives"

hmm how about two

[clever inlet]

Someone prayed "I don't want to see A SINGLE ESCORT on DD anymore!"

And devs were like "Okay, no single escort this time"

[proper wing]

ugh lethal enemies 😦

[plush dew]

overall easy EDD, second stage had like infinite grabbers

but snowball + breachcutter trivialises mactera plague

[dusk vapor]

can't imagine there were too many tall rooms for them to drop you in on mining expedition

[plush dew]

grabbers are more dangerous when they can hug a wall and grunts+mactera shots cant be avoided anymore

[signal pawn]

Lethal enemies on Haz 4.5 is fiiine just remember to not let slashers get close

[dusk vapor]

yea grabbers are more of an issue because they incapacitate you and drop you in the middle of a swarm

[cosmic osprey]

start the new deep dive when i go to work and its halfway done when i come back goddamn

[crisp surge]

took us 1h 15min to finish the edd this time

not fun at all

every week you need to finish the dozzer mission

pretty annoying

🥶

[plush dew]

1 hour 10 minutes here, went at a decent speed, no premade group tho and didnt do fuelstage skip once. just takes forever sadly

[misty scaffold]

fuelstage skip?

what do you mean

[safe shale]

If that's the one I'm thinking about, if you grab the canister and instantly press e to put it back, it's fully loaded

[plush dew]

^

[cobalt harness]

@safe shale this always work? Or was it a bug in the deep dive?

[safe shale]

I think that works "all the time" because you can do it in normal mission

[dense obsidian]

Had a very powerful experience in the EDD today.

Level 1 went hella smooth, we did all of the objectives in 2 and called the pod which lands 220m away.
Driller drills us into a cave so we're at 200m away then just gives up and runs away into a tunnel in the opposite direction, following molly to die to the mactera plague for some reason(????).
Despite there being another cave they could have shortcut drilled us to instead of the rollercoaster of hell the natural tunnels would have brought us on.

We got to 40m before getting overwhelmed by the Grabber + 20 thousand Mactera Spawn whombo combo.

😭

[opal burrow]

Stop forcing escort down our throats until you unfuck the mission type. That is all.

2 hours down the drain because we got 2 detonators during the very last phase of the EDD.

[split bison]

Bulks just shouldn't be able to spawn in some places honestly

[sleek verge]

Oops

[little cove]

On the pod for one
Right over you for another

[split bison]

Like in the uplink phase of salvage while solo, you can do absolutely nothing if they appear during the beginning

[dim trellis]

double doretta duty

lots n lots of nitra

[opal burrow]

I don't mind escort when it's a regular mission, even with double refuel. But four refuel stages in one EDD is just torture.

[split bison]

Wait what biome is it in this week?

[opal burrow]

Bungus

So enjoy 10000 webspitters

[split bison]

If it was in Biozone I would've sued

[untold sinew]

How long do deep dives take normally

[vale falcon]

depends really on how good the team is

id say the average for the regular dd is 40 mins to 1h

[opal burrow]

Enjoy 2 hours for this week's EDD

[grim fjord]

hour and a half

this was like getting coal on christmas

2 escort, 3 of the worst warnings

our scout left during the first mission so that was even worse

computer crashed prob

normal deep dive looks quite fun though

except that management wants omelettes again

[split bison]

egg bad

[opal burrow]

Nah normal dd was fun. Just the EDD is horrible.

[quiet wyvern]

Wtf, why 2 Escorts, maybe I won't do this one then, forget it

[dense obsidian]

I was almost tempted to try the EDD again after the teamwork disaster of earlier

But then I realized I have better things to do with 2 hours of my time.

[split bison]

go start a business or smthn

[dense obsidian]

Such as play the DD and corehunt for 2x the reward in the same time.

[can't wake up]

Atleast magma core mactera plague - haunted cave - stage 3 point extract/salvage was difficult vs being long and tedious regardless.

[vernal salmon]

this week EDD was easiest of them all

[dense obsidian]

It's easy but tedious.

[vernal salmon]

just learn to do escort faster

it's not that hard

[little cove]

Here, you forgot this: ":^)"

[odd comet]

He also forgot the "git gud"

[vale falcon]

how do you do escort faster

[little cove]

In serious: Have all dwarves keep near molly at all times.

[dense obsidian]

Yeah, all dwarves by the dozer to keep speed up, rush fuel stops when possible

Bonus points for a driller that c4s/epcs out of reach veins for easy access

[sinful swallow]

I found the EDD hard.

Also annoying. 2 Dozers mission. Ugh.

why

And Mission Control went crazy during both doretta missions. Shouting at us that dorettas is fuelled up and ready to go, LIKE ON FUCKING COCAIN.

[vale falcon]

he has high expectation from you, dont disapoint

[sinful swallow]

THere was a massive wave incoming and he shouted at us that the dozer is ready to go for 5 straight minutes.

non-stop

although I admit, it was kinda funny

[nova blaze]

Had my first deep dive yesterday on haz 4.

I am proud of myself.

[wraith shard]

same 😄

[vale falcon]

gj! karl would be proud

[vernal salmon]

:^) git gud

here

[dense obsidian]

gz lads

[sinful swallow]

What do you mean? You can't set the haz level on deep dives.

[nova blaze]

I don't know why I wrote that to be honest.

You can tell I'm a total greenbeard at this.

[sinful swallow]

Or you drank just enough beer for a dwarf

[nova blaze]

I forget to read what I type.

[ancient beacon]

I'm not sure if that is true, because I don't recall a BETC last week or this week

in any of the deep dives

definitely no betc in this week's dives

if there was one in last week's, we probably blew through it without noticing

[plush dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587512346604208130/791765857654669362/unknown.png

this is this weeks EDD seed. it's in the bottom left corner, thats why the devs want you to send esc screenshots whenever you find a bad molly seed.

the brackets are to seperate the individual seeds from oneanother. they are map generation, static enemy spawn generations and dynamic spawn generations afaik. thats how the deep dives are always the same, because you simply have the same numbers loaded.

the dynamic one wont always reproduce the same enemies during a mission because its player dependant and probably system time aswell, i dunno about the specifics.

[zinc coral]

in all the previous weeks i've done, i've never seen a BET-C in a DD or EDD. and i remember there would be some weeks where people say they encountered a BET-C, never encountered them and sometimes i would replay an EDD even when completed for the fun of it and never encountered them either...maybe i'm just lucky throughout these past 4 months?
in fact i rarely even encounter BET-C in regular games now, maybe i just dont play enough

[plush dew]

and betc is an enemy that has to be there once the map is generated, else you wont see one since it doesnt spawn in after the fact. same with lootbugs, breeder etc

bet-c is a 6% chance encounter or something like that, its simply rare

i dont remember ever seeing a betc in a dd/EDD but i couldve easily forgotten it. they (the dives) kind of blend in with normal missions since they dont really stick out gameplay wise after the fact

[zinc coral]

in like the past 2 months of regular games, i've encountered like quite a bit of crassus and regular bulks but only 1 bet-c; kinda weird

[plush dew]

on one day we had several missions with a bet-c and a machine event in a row

its just random ¯_(ツ)_/¯

altho if you do systemtime stuff you could probably reproduce missions

[zinc coral]

lol yeah, i've actually encountered quite a few times where we had a helmet + cargo + machine event and/or korlork too all in one...those kind of combinations seem to be more common than a BET-C in my experience ironically lol

yeah i'm in NA region and i typically do EDD/DD like during midnight my time...maybe people who do encounter BET-C in EDD/DD do them earlier in the day

[plush dew]

by reproducing missions, i ment outside of DD's.
for DD/EDD, all static spawns will always be the same.

spitballers, nexus', breeders, bet-c's etc are all generated the same so if you have a spitballer right outside of your pod, every other player who starts that DD at any point during the week, will also have that spitballer infront of the pod.

[distant ore]

I got a bet-c on first and second stage the dozer ran it over the first time and did all the work for me the second one I just avoided

[ancient beacon]

that's how it should work, but it doesn't explain the inconsistent reports about BET-Cs in deep dives

you can hear the BET-C through walls across the whole map, so it's not like you can miss her

[plush dew]

this week or last week? first or third stage of the EDD?

because this shouldnt be the case at all hmm

stuff that's too far away doesnt get generated the same way then, maybe?

[fringe kettle]

RNG be like that

[distant ore]

This week first stage edd

[plush dew]

do you happen to know in what room?

its 2 stops, so that mission has 7 rooms

[distant ore]

I play on Xbox though and it was right in the 2nd room the dozer gets to

[plush dew]

which is icluding the spawn room

oh on xbox

that might actually be the reason why

i wonder if thats why there are reports of people seeing bet-c's, while others dont

[distant ore]

Yeah that made that mission so easy

[plush dew]

loan said that there were differences between the terrain generation. i wonder if static enemy generation is also affected then

[fringe kettle]

That I don’t know

[distant ore]

I failed my first attempt because of stage two wave had three oppressors in a tunnel but on second try there was still a betc in the same spot

[plush dew]

reeves, you whouldnt be able to do me a favor and show me a screenshot of the numbers in the bottom left, when you open the menu while in the first stage, right?

i wonder if they are even the same

maybe its just the same missions

but different unique enemy seeds?

[distant ore]

I’m gonna do it with my girlfriend later mind waiting a little while?

[fringe kettle]

Static enemies should be the same run to run if the amount of players is kept constant.

[plush dew]

oh playernumbers

that could be another reason

maybe bet-c is only 2 players then?

or rather, 1-2 players maybe, since enemy amount is the same i think

since i only ever really do EDD's in 4 player teams

ill ask a friend tomorrow if i can test that out, should be quick to check the next room as driller anyway

[short charm]

So, now that I've done the EDD. I have to say, double-escort for the EDD or even the regular DD should NOT be a thing. Takes too long.

Same with refinery, please, just keep it to one per deep dive. Everything else, I don't care.

[celest oasis]

Ive done the edd today took my random team 1 hour 20 minute's

It was insanely long lol

Yea ideally just have 1 reinfery OR doretta per dive, and no repeats

Two or even 2 of the same is insanely long dive

[lament pecan]

wow this edd

might be one of the most boring ones

infinite nitra

60+ min

basically unlosable but takes forever to complete

5.5 on stage 3 escort would be intense

but not when u already have 500 nitra banked and can call a literal circle of drop pods at the hearthstone

[crude pewter]

escort duty used to be fun in dives

[vapid monolith]

Pain.

[lusty flare]

This edd is painfully long

For the longest time I thought there was something in place to prevent multiple escort missions in one deep dive

But clearly we all just were lucky to not suffer under the opressive boot of multiple waiting missions

(even if it is a fun mission)

[ruby bear]

Just wrapped up the deep dive

done in about 80 mins

wrapped up 880 kills with my driller

830*

[dim trellis]

engis turrets shine on escort missions

[molten raft]

It's nice that we've only had to deal with one EDD without an escort since they've been added tyvm for double escort this week mission generator

Merry Christmas

[thick lichen]

I wish it was 3 escorts

I sort of got the pain train which is 3 escorts in a row

2 with a mactera mission slapped in the middle is close enough.

[echo comet]

I'm so done with escorts

can there be at least a 4-week period with no escorts on DD

[vestal portal]

who tf is karl ?

and we will get him as a future miner ?

[random rampart]

Karl is supposed to be the 1st dwarf

The dwarf before us all

He is now presumably dead

And is considered a demigod I think

@vestal portal

[vestal portal]

so dwarf religion ?

[random rampart]

Kinda, yes

[celest oasis]

Protect dorettaaa

[quiet mortar]

Thank you @signal pawn and @normal cedar for covering for me Yesterday!
Merry Christmas, Rock and Stone! ❤️

[signal pawn]

My pleasure. It was a lot of fun to break the news of double Doretta with two stops 🍿

[normal cedar]

<3

[dim trellis]

Long live Karl

[glossy wind]

Please tell me those 2 escort missions in EDD are joke

please

[quiet wyvern]

wish i could bro

[vale falcon]

we are sorry fam ;-;

[glossy wind]

I swear that 60% of my missions are ducking escorts. I cant remember last time I played liquid morkite

[quiet wyvern]

yea i'm more of a liquid Morkite fan, love grinding those pipes

[vale falcon]

dont say that or the next EDD will have an low ox liquid morkite

[glossy wind]

Because liquid morkite is actually fun

[quiet wyvern]

i'm known for jinxing things, quite frequently

so don't judge me, Ever!

[vale falcon]

dont worry, if its really an low ox liquid morkite we will come hunt you down.

[quiet wyvern]

i'm not scared of you

[plush dew]

low ox liquid isnt that bad

[vale falcon]

low oxy liquid morkite during an EDD?

[plush dew]

just put the resuppls on the way close to the end of the pumpjacks and its fine

[molten raft]

I'd rather 3 low ox refineries than another doretta edd

[plush dew]

^

[vale falcon]

dont hurt yourself like that limes

[quiet wyvern]

Bring it On!!!!!!!

[vale falcon]

its not worth it

[molten raft]

low ox is hardly a threat you just have to go fast

[quiet wyvern]

Zip zoom!

[glossy wind]

Well in case you have pipes up you can just quickly grind back to refinery

To refill O2

[signal pawn]

This is why devs didn’t add 02 tanks to the pump jacks

[molten raft]

and if you have any verticality dashing into a mantle on the refinery

[vale falcon]

dont be too confident or it will jinx us by giving us a super remote room for the third pump

[glossy wind]

SInce I am driller main I really like when pumps are far away. Tunnel digging and pipeline construction are best parts of the mission for me

[vale falcon]

ur gonna get one super high up

mega jinxed

[plush dew]

not a problem, make a long step

tunnel up in one direction, then 180° up to the well

[glossy wind]

Or spiral

Anyway. I am going to suffer through that EDD.

[plush dew]

i think spirals are usually bad. mostly because you cant see much ahead and can get surprised by a ton of bugs suddenly being ontop of you. that doesnt happen in long tunnels

[hazy comet]

always make long sightlines and try not to build on cliffs if possible

[deft kite]

last stage of the deep dive is omegalul

wait till doretta opens the first room

lol

[stray flare]

How many refuels are there on the last stage?

[deft kite]

usually at least 2

[stray flare]

Ok thanks

[mossy jacinth]

say are EDD's on hazard 4 or any specifc difficulty?

i wasnt able to tell them apart

[dim trellis]

elite deep dives have a hidden difficulty ranging from 4.5 on the first stage, 5 on second and a 5.5 on the third

deep dives standard are 3.5 scaling to 4.5 I think was the general consensus

[plush dew]

normal deep dives go 3 / 3.5 / 3.5

elite is 4.5 / 5 / 5.5

[mossy jacinth]

aah okay

[stark sky]

Does faster time give you better rewards on either dd or edd?

[little cove]

No.

[full arrow]

this week's EDD 😐

i think i'm just going to skip it

haven't done an attempt yet but it looks rough

[wraith shard]

regular deep dive is really easy this week

haven't tried the EDD yet

[teal flume]

So after 8 tries I finally managed to finish this Weeks EDD as scout solo.

never had so many cryo grenades in my hand

[celest oasis]

The EDD is hell on earth, especially if you do it with 4 ppl

Make sure you allocate more than an hour to do it (unless you're some crazy speed runner) XD

[teal flume]

yeah longest EDD ever

really hope they reduce escort from 2 stops to one stop in DDs

[solemn pulsar]

TWO escorts, are you kidding me... Took me over an hour to complete the EDD, was a chore.

[teal flume]

yeah 1h 19m

[livid seal]

Can I ask if the active part of a skill (like Field Medic) reset between maps?

[fringe kettle]

Yes

[livid seal]

Ok, thanks

[vale raptor]

Since the next deep dive is the last of 2020, how about adding double XP to it? Would be a sweet way to end this year that was a general mess.

[sick rapids]

if two people were to attempt the EDD, which two clases would be the best combination to succeed it? I was thinking a Driller atleast, to make the laser crystal phase easier.

[teal flume]

Cryodriller and engineer for this week

Keep em freezing and keep em dying

Also turrets help a lot if you need to let doretta alone to collect nitra

[sick rapids]

All right, I was thinking engineer would be the second one. Thank you for the confirmation and the tips 👍

[long sparrow]

how hard is the EDD this week

Minigun Gunner is very good against the beamers if he has accuracy upgrades

[cunning kraken]

first try, we had 600 nitra at some point. so quite easy if you play with people who know how to play escorts

easier than last week for sure

[gloomy herald]

edd isn't really hard just double dorry is annoying af

[celest sluice]

I might get my SO to attempt a duo EDD this week... But he mains scout. So I'm bracing for an engi carry.

[dim trellis]

be the engie carry instead

[zinc coral]

did EDD on first attempt with a good team.
by end of stage 3 we had 700 nitra leftover, so don't be shy with the nitra. engineer with fat boy nuke spam is definitely a big plus with all the nitra.
stage 2 i recommend scout with cryo grenades or driller with an EPC. lots of tunnels, so very easy to take out the entire wave of mactera with either of those 2 classes.

[dim trellis]

DID SOMEONE SAY FATBOY

yes

fatboy oc appreciation post #09

[wild sigil]

1 hour 20 mins in for my retarded EDD team to wipe

ventover

[opal burrow]

For me it wasn't even a bad team, it was a bulk detonator spawning on top of Dory right as the beamer phase started

No idea why they're allowed to basically spawn right next to the drilldozer

And that was our second detonator in a short time

[zinc star]

thanks for the info @zinc coral, was about to ask how the nitra was

[plush dew]

i thought this week was a pretty easy one again lol

we had 800 or so nitra in the end and just made a resupply wall haha

[fresh escarp]

Cool

[celest oasis]

Can a bulk one shot a dozer?

Never seen it yet lol

[quasi galleon]

It can knock off a health state in one shot at higher haz. But it can't insta kill it unless doretta already lost it's sides.

[plush dew]

^ doretta is damage capped with the sideplates. it can only take as much damage in 1 hit as the plates still have health, and after they die there's a brief invulnerability window.

[marble veldt]

Completed the EDD last night with an Engi-Driller duo.
I now have a newly found appreciation for Hyper Propellant PGL

3 Bulks during last mission, none ever got close to Doretta

[dapper belfry]

Hm maybe i'll give hyper prop a try

[marble veldt]

That things tears pretty much everything to shreds

Anything you hit the weakpoint of will be obliterated, very useful against Wardens, Menaces and Naedocyte Breeders

Even on Haz 5.5

[pure spruce]

whats haz 5.5?

/what does that denote

[quartz badge]

There are different hazard scalings for the Deep Dives. For the normal DD it's 3 - 3.5 - 3.5 and for the EDD it's 4.5 - 5 - 5.5. The differences are listed on the Deep Rock Wiki under "Deep Dive Scaling"

[marble veldt]

What Chief said, it also change HP scaling and spawn rate for enemies, plus friendly fire damage for dwarves

[pure spruce]

ah

is that scaling based on levels or just on player count

[quiet mortar]

It's scaled based on the Stage. So EDD Stage 3 is 5.5, player count does affect health on enemies though.

[plush dew]

its the same scaling as it is when you select the difficulty on a normal mission

but unlike normal missions, in DD's you're not allowed to select the difficulty manually, instead it's forced to the above mentioned ones. 5.5 is basicly half a difficulty above hazard 5

[pure spruce]

ahhh understandable

[wraith shard]

just finished this week's double-escort EDD
on technically the 2nd try
tho the first ended with a game crash halfway through first escort for some reason so that might not count

also we didn't have a gunner

[pure spruce]

oof

get any cool weapon ocs?

[wraith shard]

nope
i main driller and still don't have any flamer OCs, except for lighter tanks
and even for the subata i only have homebrew (a.k.a. miss thresholds randomly) and full auto (but i don't mind the click spam and the recoil+spread is cancer on that OC)

[restive crane]

hey quick question can you do deep dives without being premoted by playing with someone who is premoted

[odd comet]

No

It won't start the countdown unless everyone in the lobby is playing a promoted class

[agile plover]

everyone is so fucking bad at the second DD

[odd comet]

The EDD?

[exotic maple]

Yeah

It's 2 escorts

It immediately sucks

[short charm]

The second level is surprisingly devious though. It doesnt appear to be too bad at first, but then you encounter about a million small enemies that quickly drain all your ammo. And that tube is a real deathtrap. In one failed run, we lost at the very very last millimeter. Only two people left standing, Doretta was down to 20% hp with bugs on all sides and a laser going at her. For some reason, none of the bugs targeted me. So i kept repairing and we wouldve made it... Until my fellow driller thought it was a brilliant idea to blow up a praetorian nearby with C4. Took me AND doretta down.

Lost, with probably less than 5 seconds left on the timer on stage 3. I had 1.300 kills as engineer that time.

I actually used Turret Arc on my gemini turrets, Stubby and BC with plasma trail. A weird and in most missions, a very inefficient combo. But for this EDD, it wrecked all the small stuff.

[silent pollen]

question. Just started playing and was wondering on the progression system. Do you feel like you progress and play for a goal in this game or is it just "play for fun"

because me myself i really need a goal pretty far off in a game to really enjoy it

Like cosmetic goals are fine if you feel like you have to play alot to get it

did i go in the wrong chat for this uum whoopse

[sturdy field]

in the first ~20 - 60 hours between your first promotion and leveling up all your classes to be swaged out and promoted I seemed to play for a goal of getting good builds and gear. Now sitting at about 780 hours, I still have cosmetics to get and play every week but I wouldn't say I have a goal. Just too fun.

[silent pollen]

ah ok thanks for the answer @sturdy field

[deft kite]

my goal is to have all my classes legendary 3

once that's done i'll wait for DRG 2

or whatever new ip GSG releases

[sturdy field]

on the topic of deep dives, every week I play the Elite dive with my pals and its always loads of fun even though I only get a cosmetic at the end and 2 blank cores.

[silent pollen]

Playing to leveling up classes is a good goal so i should be fine

[sturdy field]

I also have 3 achievements left to get

[deft kite]

i try to level them up all equally

[sturdy field]

lol I got gunner to gold 3 before I had driller at bronze 3

[deft kite]

makes me aware of what works and what doesn't and how classes are meant to be played

have all my classes at least gold 3 @sturdy field

[sturdy field]

same

[deft kite]

but driller has taken over engi in my heart

[sturdy field]

did a huge xp grind a few months back

[silent pollen]

Unfortnately im all by my lonesome i told my friends abut the game but they didn't seem to even care about looking into what it is

rofl

[sturdy field]

use #lfg-steam

[deft kite]

man pubs is the best place to learn

[sturdy field]

and then maybe befriend some regular players

[deft kite]

yeah there bound to be a new batch of player now and most likely a big batch if DRG wins co-op game of the year

[silent pollen]

I've played one normal pub and it was fun i gotta say. The random players did know what to do though

[sturdy field]

also ur friends r dumb for not playing drg

[silent pollen]

I think it was the driller class that litteraly just made a hole to the depart vehicle thingy rofl

that was pretty cool

[deft kite]

@silent pollen here the secret to driller

you have a better tool than ropes and platform combined

you can make molly come back up faster (useful in this week 2nd level edd) and you can make everyone else tool seem trivial

just don't bunker because they'll add more stuff like opressors

[ruby bear]

nah bunker up, just have an exit tunnel ready

dont finish it completely of course

[cerulean trellis]

Throw a c4 on it to make a easier escape

[zinc coral]

yeah you'll still have fun even with random pubs. in my 300+ hrs playing this game, i've only really encountered like 3 "toxic" players....this game is generally very welcoming even to newbies

[vast valve]

its another lethal enemies escort in the edd

[scarlet shoal]

Oh god that EDD was hell

[fresh escarp]

This weeks normal deep dive was super easy

Literally last stage was like: Bosco go here I'll go here

[scarlet shoal]

Am I supposed to be able to find a cube inside the EDD

[plush dew]

yesno

normally not, but presents drop them at the moment

[wraith shard]

fellow driller thought it was a brilliant idea to blow up a praetorian nearby with C4
i main driller and keep the candies for grunts almost exclusively. praets eat axes, not candy.

[verbal wagon]

so for the EDD...I honestly only care to get the first two done, the third would be nice but from what I can hear it is a real PITA. What would y'all recommend?

Class makeup wise*

[inner heron]

Looking to do my first deep dive. Need a good team. I'm currently leveling gunner.

[dim gyro]

If you wanna go alone any career with which you can survive comfortably in combat will do. The secret to surviving escort solo is to dig to the Heartstone before deploying the drilldozer: this way you clear every room of enemies and minerals and so when you escort the drilldozer combats are easier and you only have to gather fuel and can leave immediatly. This should ensure that you arrive to the last phase with full armor on Doretta. This is the safest method which is just more time consuming.

Lot of long range enemies on the first map (lots of acid spitters) so you need some long range option. You can see the Eggs to collect on the scanner so you'll know where the next rooms are. 2nd map is Mactera infestation so spec for that, you are gonna burn through ammo quickly. Third map (escort) is a bit easier on the main part and harder on the last event (I don't know if spawns during events are fix though).

I completed this week EDD solo with Scout in 2h30 (taking my time to dig to rooms in escort).

[verbal wagon]

ooooof. I don't tend to solo edd ;3; or dd...I like to play with people!

[dim gyro]

Fair enough ! Hopefully there are still some useful information for you in my second paragraph

[verbal wagon]

always love going incendiary PGL and watching them drop like...well, flies.

[dim gyro]

Should work fine. I can at least recommend to have a Scout with Cryo grenades in the team

[verbal wagon]

does a dread spawn in part 2 XD

[plush dew]

dread spawns are random

they arent set for everyone, they just happen

[verbal wagon]

well then god just hated us

[surreal spade]

Haha 😆

[verbal wagon]

Next go around should go more smoothly

[wraith shard]

This is the safest method which is just more time consuming.
and by "time consuming" this person means "you better have 2 hours for this shit"

honestly just find a team of randos, the first escort has some leeches but otherwise okay, and make sure you bring a gun that can take care of the mactera spawns on the second

i did it all with two randos and we didn't even have a gunner. if you're driller, here's a tip: save some axes for the flying rocks during escort.

[drifting parcel]

Is it just me and my team of greenbeards, or are EDDs insanely tough? It feels like you need to have perfect builds + good overclocks.
Especially with this first stage, the lethal enemies + huge swarms shreds us

[deft kite]

@drifting parcel do you usually play haz 5 ?

[drifting parcel]

Not really, the friends I play with come and go from the game so we usually sit at haz3 or haz4 if we're feeling daring lmao
playing more haz5 would probably be good 'practice' though

[plush dew]

if you basicly never lose h4's then EDD's should be doable, altho can be a bit difficult.
if you spam h5's and never lose, then most EDDs will be a breeze and a half.

[deft kite]

so here's the thing edd have 2 stages in haz 5

[plush dew]

but ye, if you're a haz 3/4 regular, then EDD's are going to be very difficult.
the 3 stages are set for difficulty levels 4.5 / 5 / 5.5

[deft kite]

if you ain't usually playing haz 5 not only do you not have the habits of haz 5 but you're jumping in into some things that are design to be though

depending on what week you doing it edd are very doable even while just playing haz 3 or 4

but fungus bog is imo the toughest biome

[little cove]

It's good to be acclimated to the climate of higher difficulty

[deft kite]

running optimized build will also help going through these

[plush dew]

mission type and the seed play a big role aswell yeah. some weeks will be quite easily doable for you, and some rare weeks may seem impossible with the 3-4 skill level.

[deft kite]

there also a few things in haz 5 that are greenbeard traps

opening eggs while doretta is moving

[plush dew]

atleast you can memorize the layout (nitra and mission objective) and get the main things quick if you fail.

unless its drilldozer pepega

[deft kite]

the other important aspect of playing haz 5 is learning to use your tools it'll make a big difference

[fringe kettle]

You’re telling me I shouldn’t be generating a wave while there’s already one going on?

[drifting parcel]

I find the higher difficulty more fun but also exhausting sometimes because you actually have to think, but i guess that comes with time

[deft kite]

@fringe kettle maybe i am saying that

[plush dew]

but how else am i supposed to maximise max range c4's

if were not even at spawn cap

[deft kite]

@drifting parcel don't worry the more you play the more some things will become obvious

not taking macteras wave in open rooms and fighting them in tunnels instead

making shortcut all the time during the mission to facilitate mule movement, player kiting and mule escape at the end

having to fight macteras for 1 more minute can mean a whole lot more dmg taken

i can run a few haz 5 with you if you are in NA explain a few things

[drifting parcel]

Bunkers seem like they're just generally very good when you're going to be staying in the same area for a while. Are there any reasons a bunker wouldn't work in most situations?

[deft kite]

@drifting parcel you can do bunkers

but they are very shunned upon by the community

[drifting parcel]

I'm not NA but I appreciate it the offer

Why are bunkers shunned? Are they considered cheese 'tactics' or?

[deft kite]

yes

[drifting parcel]

fair enough

[deft kite]

if you want more info about why they are shunned i suggest asking on #drg-chat

[drifting parcel]

i dont wish to poke any sleeping bears

[vale falcon]

basically it usually promote bad recurring habits, its better to get used at fighting in the open that using a "crutch"

basically, feel free to use them, but dont make it a habit

[drifting parcel]

I see, well thanks for pointers all

[vale falcon]

also make sure to have an exit tunnel

the last thing you want is to have a bulk spawn while you are inside a bunker

also some people will simply refuse to enter bunkers by principle

[little cove]

There are definitely some in this discord. The search function is your best friend when it comes to finding info about questions.

[wraith shard]

when you feel comfortable on haz4, it's time to try EDDs. won't be easy but you'll at least stand a chance. just don't think about soloing it.
all haz increments are quite big in relation to the previous ones, since bug damage, health, projectile speed, number of spawns and frequency of spawns all increase. and those affect overall difficulty multiplicatively with each other.

[drifting parcel]

Is it only swarm size that scales with the number of players in the mission?

[wraith shard]

iirc it's actually bug hp that scales, not number of spawns, depending on player count

[plush dew]

damage of monsters scales aswell

not by a lot, but a little bit

also resistances of enemies. their hp does not scale but their effective health does, since the damage you deal is being reduced by a general resistance stat that reduces all damage and varies from bug classes to bug classes and depends on player number / difficulty

[wraith shard]

resistance is basically the same as hp scaling, just different math

in fact i think it'd be better for the game if resistance was remodeled into direct hp increase
the only funky interaction would be with prespawned bugs in caves or when someone joins/leaves during a wave but at least there would be no weird rounding

[plush dew]

yes, basically the same, but not literally the same. and it'll be confusing if you look at the wiki and see their actual health.

there's no rounding, atleast not to full damage numbers

fractions of health and damage are preserved. using a global resistance stat that is applied to all damage is easyer than having to apply that for each bug i assume

[drifting parcel]

Thank you for confirming this. I could have sworn I was dealing less damage with more players but I thought I was going crazy

[plush dew]

it doesnt apply to all enemies, but everything thats not a grunt (version) / swarmer essentially

[wraith shard]

it's why we don't talk about kill thresholds of anything that isn't a grunt variant

(tho im pretty sure mactera spawn also has static hp)

[drifting parcel]

What are kill thresholds? searching here/wiki didnt return anything useful

[wraith shard]

basically
how many shots it takes to kill things
important on higher dmg weapons where it can impact ammo efficiency quite a lot

for example there is not much point in taking dmg increase if you can't reach a threshold with weapons like M1k or bull since it'll be wasted overkill

[drifting parcel]

Ah okay

[drowsy spruce]

is this a ammo vs damage vs utilty talk?

At what point you are wasting bullets or preisely kll bugs?
I would say the engineer shotgun is a good example.

You can get to a 1 shot kill on glyphids, but at some point, adding more damage is not effecient when it costs you more ammo capacity

so if the total of damage gained from having extra shots is not better than the damage, than take damage. Bigger targets will stlil need the damage output

but i think at that point you are talking about crowd vs single target

So for the EDD this week, i say is damage, there is so much ammo

[wraith shard]

on guns with low-end damage overkill is basically nonexsistent
minigun is a good example, flamer is another

[drowsy spruce]

i love DoT damage

it makes kiting so easy

[wraith shard]

u mean dot slowdown?

or are u referring to bull aoe+toxin?

[misty scaffold]

Just lost the edd because of mule getting stuck 😦

when will this be fixed?

has been going on for ages

[wraith shard]

did it turn upside down?

[misty scaffold]

no, just stopped

we had to go back and drill underneath it

and we lost because of this

[wraith shard]

i had that with a mini-mule
it started walking on the correct plane but the wrong side of it lol

[misty scaffold]

there should be a fail-safe

like if mule is at the same position for over 20 seconds

teleport it

[plush dew]

you dont have to go back

and there is a failsave

if the mule doesnt reach the pod, then the door automatically opens 15 seconds before the timer runs out

mini mules dont need to reach the drop pod

[misty scaffold]

hmmm interesting

didn't know that

[wraith shard]

yeah it does work like that
but i remembered last 10 secs

was it changed recently?

[plush dew]

there are conflicting reports between 10 and 15 seconds

need someone to actually make a recording of that happening ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but yeah, its within that timeframe

[wraith shard]

or just ask the devs 😛

[plush dew]

maybe the animation starts at 15, and the gate is fully open at 10, dunno

[wraith shard]

that could be the thing

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[pallid lily]

What’s the avg win rate on EDD?

[visual lake]

i think it depends on each week by alot

[pallid lily]

just curious about this week vs previous weeks due to well... bs

[dim trellis]

last week was big of

ooof* but this week is like not as bad

think someone rates the nitra bountiful-ness per week on Reddit

but yeah a good scout and a better engi with platforms, u should have loads of nitra this week

[lapis river]

we had 10 supplies surrounding doretta at the hearthstone last mission. Usefull for O2 too!

[atomic oasis]

so does ammo refill between dd missions? doing my first one solo

[rugged bear]

Of course not. Thats why u have to grab as much nitra as possible in each stage

[atomic oasis]

didnt think it would, just asking thanks

[atomic oasis]

I did not enjoy lethal enemies solo, lol

[hexed dagger]

Just stopping by to say this week's elite deep dive is, without a doubt, the roughest one I've ever completed. Holy cow.

[lilac linden]

so what's the difference between normal Deep Dives and Elite Deep Dives?

[atomic oasis]

difficulty i believe

[wraith shard]

yeah pretty much

[leaden vortex]

EDD stage 3 gets up to hazard 5.5

not certain on what hazard level stages 1 and 2 are at

[wraith shard]

hmmm i guess it was relatively easy for me because i had a 3-dwarf squad instead of 4. gunner DC'd right after starting.

[wraith shard]

4.5 and 5, respectively

[leaden vortex]

makes sense - that's what i assumed but wasn't sure

[late elm]

My first few runs my rando teams were griefing

Going afk without saying anything, taking more ammo than they should in first one, taking ammo and then leaving to waste it.

Second I got a half decent team we rolled it though.

[sinful flicker]

2 drilldozers for edd this week

took me almost 2 hours

jeeez

[wraith shard]

maybe don't solo
i did this EDD with 2 randos, we didn't even have a gunner for floating rock patrol

[reef terrace]

[lilac linden]

I'm guessing the day that Deep Dives change that's when the most of people can be found doing them?

and when do they refresh?

[fringe kettle]

Thursday when the countdown timer in the deep dive terminal hits zero.

[sinful flicker]

Its unnecessarily long

[wraith shard]

if you solo it, yes

otherwise, not so much

[plush dew]

solo is not terribly longer than in a team

most of it is an autoscroller anyway

[karmic valve]

yeah, just did EDD...it takes so damn long ;_;

wasn't too difficult though, couple bulks on the last mission

[vivid socket]

man management really wants omelettes this week huh?

[plush dew]

we had one recently with a 6eggs main mission and all 3 submissions be 2 eggs

mad craving for eggs

[vivid socket]

honestly

[plush dew]

...?

did you mean to say "really?"

[hot wharf]

Did we ever come up with an explanation for why this week's EDD is so shitty and breaks conventions?

[sick rapids]

two escorts

[hot wharf]

That's what, not why. Why do we have two escorts and three warnings without an anomaly?

[feral atlas]

It's not that bad.

The only challenge is that you need 2 players to do their job, instead of just 1.

[verbal wagon]

edd take 2

here is to hoping a dreadnaught doesn't spawn in part 2...again~

[hot wharf]

I solo them anyway. I prefer bosco, and bertha is ample to take care of anything scaled-for-one-player. Takes a little longer, but it lets me tune out while I do them.

I'm more interested in why this week breaks from the usual patterns.

[verbal wagon]

eh when i am the only one talking in an EDD something is wrong. Hope they do well~

[somber breach]

Do you have any suggestions for EDDs?
I reached the stage 3 two times but couldn't get through the first wave. Both of them were drilldozer missions btw.

[feral atlas]

Any decent crowd killing autocannon build, or a flamer thrower, to handle the mobs composition on stage 3

An engi with a BC build to handle stage 2 mactera and stage 3 bulks or heavies

If this is still a problem, well, to be blunt you're probably not at the skill level where you can do this without being carried

[misty scaffold]

Tried third stage of edd with 3 drillers and 1 scout, worked very well expect for second stage of hearthstone (the one with the rocks)

no single target damage

first escort went fine though

[feral atlas]

the rocks are a range DPS check

[misty scaffold]

exactly

[feral atlas]

that class comp is basically failing the check at the loading screen

[misty scaffold]

but everything was so easy with that much aoe damage

everything else*

[feral atlas]

as long as you won the mission

[somber breach]

I was playing engineer but couldn't build turrets because drilldozer wasn't drilling in a straight line and it was turning too often.

Also i am playing with default engineer guns maybe that is a reason too. But i just don't like the upgraded weapons. Now trying to get hyper propellant to get rid of those warden and others quickly.

There were players from each class and i got more kills than xxx level gunner.

[feral atlas]

I'm gonna be that guy and say that if the PGL is being useful, your team isn't being useful.

The gunner and/or driller should be performing crowd clearing well enough that the grenade launcher simply is not needed.

and hyper propellent isn't a solution

you only need 3 things covered for this to be a snooze EDD

1. something to deal with the mactera on stage 2

2. Something to deal with the swarm on stage 3

3. something to deal single target damage no stage 3

[misty scaffold]

Having snowball oc for cryo on second stage made it easy

[feral atlas]

The easiest solution is autocannon gunner + an engi with a breach cutter

[somber breach]

Why breach cutter is better than pgl?

[feral atlas]

because if your teammates are worth playing with on this EDD, the pgl is not necessary

in this particular context, if I find myself needing to use the PGL, it's likely that i'm better off leaving the lobby

as for single target, hyper propellent is not as economically as breach cutter for the relevant targets this EDD

[somber breach]

Shotgun-smg?

[feral atlas]

shouldn't be relevant

[somber breach]

Hmm

What do you think about the perks by the way

[feral atlas]

only things I would care about would be what primary the gunner is using, the driller's primary, and the engi's secondary

[somber breach]

Now i am using vampire, resupplier, sweet tooth
Iron will and berzerker

[feral atlas]

i usuually only run steeve, revive, deep pockets, born ready, and vampire

[somber breach]

I am trying to combine iron will and berzerker to get up and refill some of my health

And sometimes to kill some oppressors instantly

[feral atlas]

my choices are mainly quality of life ones

I don't run iron will because I very rarely go down

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1644342628212252282/7CBEA998EA450B59D5DA872D78C3E671D3215B0B/

don't need IW if you don't die

[somber breach]

Yes logical 😄

Driller should use cryo right?

[feral atlas]

flamer

honestly as long as gunner is running a decent autocannon build, it's either

[somber breach]

Okay. Thanks for help 👍

[sleek verge]

I don't play much gunner, what do you recommend on autocannon?

[vale falcon]

more gun

[narrow nexus]

Gonna try out the EDD solo wish me luck

[unborn plover]

Best of luck!

[wraith shard]

carpet

bomber

[narrow nexus]

Phase 1 done

I heard it was the hardest

Glad it's over with

[dim trellis]

BIG

Bertha

[wraith shard]

here's a protip for you for the future: driller's axes are effective against the floating rocks. and by effective i mean they hit 'em for 60% or so.
this is how i did this EDD with two other randos, me as driller and them as scout and engie (our gunner DC'd during loading screen of first phase).

[molten raft]

This wasn't even that bad of an EDD other than the mandatory time requirements but it feels like Deep for Speed might need adjusting if escort is basically going to be in the majority of dd/edd's
https://puu.sh/H1Rt5/ab039e20bb.jpg

[wraith shard]

good thing i got it way before escort was a thing

[plush dew]

or just epc tcf the rocks, you have all the ammo you need anyway this week. just restock your ammo before the phase

[narrow nexus]

I've seen groups take eggs while Dotty is stationary

Any reason as to why?

@silk trench

not even creative smh my head

[wraith shard]

okay
<@&296918282403840000>

[plush dew]

you take the eggs so that doretta cant drill them out and avoid overlapping swarms

if you do it right at the beginning of the DD before you start the dozer in the first room, then the bugs cant even damage doretta

[opal burrow]

Why would you avoid overlapping swarms when you have fat boys though

[plush dew]

should i entertain that question or just ignore it?

[silk trench]

👀

[mossy jacinth]

dotty is a nickname for the drilldozer?

[somber breach]

I unlocked breach cutter. Any idea on gear mods?

[unborn plover]

Return to sender

A bit less ammo, for the effective of double damage of big guys, and more reach on attacking swarms

My favorite by far

[somber breach]

i didn't mean overclocks

i mean gear modifications

[plush dew]

1/1/1/2/3 without any OC's.
if you have light-weight cases (more ammo OC) then you can decide between beamwidth in tier 2 or sticking with ammo there aswell.

regarding other OC's, return to sender is very good aswell, can use explosive goodbye with it when it comes back for extra single target. takes some getting used to tho.
high voltage crossover and spinning death (which really wants more beam width) are notable mentions aswell. little bit gimmicky, but they arent bad at all.
inferno and roll controll are meme OC's

armor breaking really only helps with praetorians a little bit, but it doesnt add damage to the BC itself since it already ignores armor by default.
the stun will trigger instantly on contact and lasts for 3 seconds.

[somber breach]

That build was exactly what i was thinking of, thanks.

[dim trellis]

amigo what does binm mean

[opal burrow]

It means "I'm spamming my discord server link in places where it doesn't belong"

[civic ledge]

I haven't seen anyone mention the regular deep dive, so:

Stage 1: 4 Eggs + 1 Dreadnaught No warnings
Stage 2: Salvage 3 Mules + 2 Eggs Lethal enemies
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs Regenerative bugs (Plus surprise Bet-C)

[plush dew]

#deep-dive-speedrunning , its a slower channel so you can see it imidiatly. it was mentioned in this channel aswell, but its pretty far up by now i think.

[civic ledge]

Gotcha

it's actually not that far back, but I don't check the speedrunning channel because I don't speedrun

[vale falcon]

ty cake very cool

[shut gale]

lot easier dive this week than last, two escort missions seems like a bit much though considering one already takes forever lmao

[untold sinew]

What hazard levels are deep dives

[jolly crown]

this deep dive is breaking my balls

edd even

twice full teams lost on the omeron on stage 3

[plush dew]

DD 3 / 3.5 / 3.5
EDD 4.5 / 5 / 5.5

[untold sinew]

Thank you

[wraith shard]

ok

the bulk det on the last stage of the EDD is super not cool

i dont have the hour and a half to try again:(

[lavish basin]

oh, we almost lost to that shit twice. Ended up having to cheese the first with freeze nades and just sacrifice a plate on the second one

we still ended up beating it, but a few of our players did some nigh-unimitatable things :/

[glad solar]

[quiet cave]

What do you think about Zhukov Embedded Detonators build? Every available slot for ammo and GK2 for DPS
With this setup I can get 3/4 of opressor's health with one (2 to be honest) mag of 40 bullets from zhukov, then finish with GK2.

Any suggestions? Change this, leave as it is? (Give me like 10 minutes and I will check the exact perks and post here)

[delicate geode]

Yeah sounds about right to focus ammo on emb dets

I take the mag dump speed boost because thats how I end up using them anyways and Im pretty sure conductive bullets doesn't effect the detonation

And accuracy over direct damage iirc on zhuks

[quiet cave]

On deep dive being able to stun/freeze/burn (other teammates can apply A LOT of effects on enemies), jump behind opressor and nearly 1-mag kill him, then jump to another is hidden gem for scout. Imo, if you want, change my mind ;)

[quiet cave]

GK2: 2,1,1,3,2 and gas rerouting

Zhukov: 1,1,2,3,2 and embedded detonators

[fresh escarp]

This DD was easy

The EDD? Screw that Im not doing two drilldozer missions

[narrow nexus]

DDs are always easy when you know the game

But the EDD this week is bullshit

[quiet cave]

the mightiest yellow shit

x2

[wraith shard]

idk i did EDD with two randos and we didn't even have a gunner

[eager oxide]

EDD cannister bugged on stage 1?

[wraith shard]

nah
your game instance might be tho

[eager oxide]

has 2 bugged in a row

but its fine now

now its glitched in a new one

keeps telling us its fueled and ready to go lol

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[dawn sonnet]

Did EDD successfully few hours ago with 4 and 0 bulks spawned on stage 3
No idea how

[wraith shard]

spawns are still random

[hot gazelle]

I'm very rusty and my builds aren't well optimised, but I can generally do Deep Dives - anyone want to get it done before the week is out?

nm, found a group.

[ionic echo]

Did the EDD with 2 greenbeards. Luckily scout and driller were both running cyro and we were able to clutch the last one with both sides down

[silent bear]

Can someone help me get through the EDD? I really want to finish it before it ends.

[half hill]

tried to do the EDD alone
Driller was miserable
Gunner wasn't much better
Fuck acid spitter

[little cove]

Fuck acid spitter
I AGREE

[wraith shard]

you better have corrosion resistance down there

[little cove]

I have something better.
A bullet to their faces

[green glen]

Might I recommend MANY BULLETS to their faces?

[vast valve]

i just did stage 2 of the normal deep dive and it seems like there's an Inordinately high amount of praetorians, i did it solo and i swear i fought like 40 of them

[fiery canopy]

my team decided to try something new and replaced our scout with a second gunner

double autocannon, one with neurotoxin oc+fear, the other with carpet bomber

that much cc+firepower made really short work of the waves and having two guys not worrying about friendly fire and having shield panic buttons made things pretty dang easy compared to the experiences a lot of people were having

[wraith shard]

i did EDD with 2 randos and we didn't even have a gunner
i prefer scout to 2 gunners, even tho scout's dps isn't enough to wipe molly's butt
them flares tho, spitters get focused really fast when you can actually see them

[fiery canopy]

that's true, but since we just had two guys with massive splash damage, we could just strafe the ceiling and they'd just die

[wraith shard]

that
is an interesting choice
i suppose double cannons can do that, yeah
hmm, new meta?

[fiery canopy]

while lots of people prefer minigun for its unmatched single target sustained dps

[wraith shard]

i wouldn't mind a scout buff, let's push scout out of meta so devs have to buff him

[fiery canopy]

i think autocannon is king of just wiping out waves

extremely ammo efficient too it feels

we didn't even miss single target damage, the gunners sidearms are very good at that

i think my favorite part of it all was that if we saw a teammate being swarmed, we could shoot at him with no worries

[wraith shard]

it do be like that sometimes
i do that with driller
the trick is to never worry indeed

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[unique pawn]

This week's dde has to be the worst deep dive I've ever experienced over the course of the 550 hours I poured in this game jesus christ

[hazy comet]

its not the hardest but it is definitely the worst EDD ever released

[wraith shard]

yall just salty about double escort
put down the leaf lover's and just do it

[turbid kestrel]

Imagine a triple escort duty EDD

[unique pawn]

blah blah blah real gamer blah hard mode blah

[wraith shard]

it's not even hard
stage 2 is the worse of all 3, tbh

[civic quarry]

Is it me or this EDD has issues? It's the 4th friggin time I start over because I lag out, have FPS drops, random issues, etc. I never saw FPS drops like that. And can't see Doretta's health most of the time, plus mission control keeps repeating fuel cells are full. HAven't had this much difficulty finishing the EDD since the last 500 hours

And if it's not lag, end up with assholes that double dip or hang out back in the tunnel in the middle of all the aliens on lethal enemies then die in 2 seconds. Even one guy went AFK during a horde on last stage..

This makes me hate escort missions even more :/

[turbid kestrel]

@civic quarry Lagging out, FPS drops, that’s most likely on your end since I did the EDD with none of those issues. Mission Control saying the same voice lines repeatedly is a common bug that happens in escorts. And as for the incompetent people, I highly recommend playing with people that take the game seriously.

[civic quarry]

The other players lagged out as well, 2 times :(
I really feel like the game lost a lot of its optimization with the last major update

Also, Molly got stuck in the first escort mission on 3 of the 4 tries, without drilling ahead

At the end of the mission, we had to go get her she was stuck a million miles away

[fiery venture]

Fellow miners I am done with DDs, never again

Every god damn week there's an escort if not 2

[sick coral]

EDD begins and ends with one, yeah

the last is also Low o2

fuuuuun

[fiery venture]

😠

[sick coral]

they weren't hard, just.... tired of riding instead of digging

[fiery venture]

Salvage > escort and i hate salvage

[sick coral]

diggy diggy hole no more

[fiery venture]

Enjoy your retirement Dotty

[sick coral]

wait for 1.33

the new hotness will change

[fiery venture]

The hotness of Escort missions being nuked?

please

[hazy comet]

low O2 escort is a free mod. You're hugging Doretta, who is an O2 source, the entire game.

[fiery venture]

The mutators aren't the problem, the mode is just no fun allowed

[sick coral]

until you fall behind and no one can get to you and there's a swarm with a dwarf permanently down

[hazy comet]

well you're dead anyways if that happens

[sick coral]

o2 escort is a non-coordinated KILLER

[hazy comet]

all i had to say to my greenbeard squad was stick together. and they did and we won

[sick coral]

nah its easy to go back, but not when your o2 source is literally running away

[fiery venture]

lmao I had a bulk spawn on the drill dozer crate about 5 seconds into the trip

[sick coral]

we had 2 spawn on the Omarin in phase 4

[hazy comet]

I had about 3 on mine

kited away and cryo'd it just incase

[fiery venture]

[hazy comet]

[sick coral]

[limber dragon]

If you die on level 2 of deep dive and miss the drop ship, do you spawn back in for level 3?

[odd comet]

As long as another member of your team made it, yes

[limber dragon]

Cool

We just finished the final level and stepped into the drop ship for evac and then the host crashed...

[sick coral]

oh that's a classic

[limber dragon]

I clipped it. May post it later when the depression wears off a bit

[fresh escarp]

I wonder what tomorrows DD and EDD is gonna be

I need them cores

[wet panther]

Hello, which union is best to join?

[pastel wasp]

I don't think it matters

Pick any union

[knotty elm]

xbox deep dive b4 reset beastlylolol

[drowsy spruce]

Lol

When is reset?

Midnight?

[sacred prairie]

3 AM Pacific

I tried and failed... had one good teammate and two bad ones lol

died near end of second mission fucking opressor made me waste my iron will... I tried to grab resupply 4x and 4x it knocks me away

[wraith shard]

and u still have molly for O2

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[glossy wind]

Looking forward to double escort mission

[plush dew]

2 escorts+2 blackboxes in EDD, 1 escort+refinery+2blackboxes in DD if we continue this trend

no more going fast, only autoscrollers now

[wraith shard]

all mactera plague btw

[tight heron]

3 escorts

[wraith shard]

3 escorts with egg hunting only

[tight heron]

Shield disruption + volatile guts

On magma core

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[tight heron]

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Gutless Wreck
Stage 1: 7 Aquarq + 1 Dreadnought | Haunted Cave
Stage 2: 4 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Lethal Enemies
Stage 3: 200 Morkite + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Dense Biozone | Code Name: Full Reserve
Stage 1: 200 Morkite + 1 Dreadnought | Haunted Cave
Stage 2: Protect The Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 3: 2 Dreadnoughts + 2 Mini-M.U.L.E.s | Cave Leech Cluster

[plush dew]

oh wow we didnt have haunted cave for a while

[dapper belfry]

ooo

[tight heron]

Regular DD really liking strata lately

[wraith shard]

no 3x escort, hmmm

[quiet mortar]

Don't hold your breath yet, these Dives could turn hell quick

[wraith shard]

inb4 mactera plague on stage 3 of EDD

[marble veldt]

Lethal Ennemies Naedocytes on Escort... 😭

[wraith shard]

lmao
escort with lethal enemies again, but this time 5 instead of 4.5

[slate zephyr]

New deep dives aren't starting for me, minus 32 minutes on the timer

[wraith shard]

acid spitter one-shotting dory plates when

[red swan]

Log out then log in

[wraith shard]

restart game

[slate zephyr]

ty

[broken bramble]

wouldnt be edd without at least one escort

[signal pawn]

Stage Primary Secondary Anomaly Warning
1 200 Morkite 1 Dreadnought None Haunted Cave
2 1 Doretta 2 Eggs None Lethal Enemies
3 2 Dreadnoughts 2 Mini-Mules None Cave Leech Cluster

for EDD

[tight heron]

Why is there no reconnect option after DCs wabfuigFKWBFkjfb

[wraith shard]

because asdfghjkl

[signal pawn]

anyone know what the regular DD's are looking like?

[quiet mortar]

Scroll up ;)

[plush dew]

one of the mules in stage 3 only has 2 leggs

have to bring one from the other mule to fix it

atleast it doesnt show on the map

[dawn sonnet]

EDD, last Dreadnaught, about 20 seconds left and we are done with it
Connection lost to the server

I want to rock and stone myself in the head

[wraith shard]

inb4 host pulled the plug and is laughing

[dawn sonnet]

Wished they finally solved host migration mid-game

I remember CoD 4 and MW2 doing this on PS3

[wraith shard]

were those also P2P?

cos i don't think u can do that with P2P

[dawn sonnet]

Most probably as I remember sometimes getting this message mid-game

[tight heron]

P2P is the only time you can do that

[plush dew]

there is no host migration in drg

[tight heron]

There's no player host with dedicated servers

[clear pawn]

1st stage edd is a tough one

[plush dew]

didnt find it too rough, the dread+ghost section maybe but you can avoid having to deal with both at the same time if you do morkite first, and then run up a drillers tunnel to the dread if you wanna have them seperate

[vast valve]

its another lethal enemies drilldozer+eggs mission in the EDD

[deft kite]

The problem with drill dozer mission is people don't understand how to use doretta

Ends up taking forever

[dim plaza]

@vast valve go double cryo driller double gunner and they will never touch you.

[fresh escarp]

This weeks Normal DD is super easy

Literally PE 1 dread, then 4 eggs 150 morkite, then 200 morkite and 2 eggs

[elfin yacht]

Is the EDD this week difficult and scaring people away? Difficult to actually gain players for the EDD.

[floral tusk]

if you have the time for it

join one as soon as weekly starts

ended up doing the edd and dd less than 90 minutes

[dim plaza]

@floral tusk depends on the mission. Xmas EDD for me 1h 14m

[floral tusk]

last week was long

this week is shorter no doubt

sure times can change

[civic quarry]

Something similar happened to us, last stage could not get in the drop pod, we kept falling through the floor

[plush dew]

its silvester, so many people are going to have family obligations

this is one of the milder ones besides maybe stage 1, spooky ghost and dread

[sage narwhal]

This week's edd looks fun

[elfin yacht]

The EDD is BS.

Second stage really shags players over HARD

It is a dozer mission, and every second there is a bleeding mini-swarm/swarm. Once you make it to the heart stone, the 2/4 and 3/4 stage is Oppressors left and right, and the rocks are relentless.

Not to mention the dam 1st stage has a ghosthas a ghost with a dread.

If I recall, the second stage is also leathal enemies

[vale falcon]

<@&296918282403840000> here too, apologies mods

[real kindle]

Hi, new player here
can we unlock all perks?
wanna make sure I don't waste points

[gloomy herald]

yes

it might take a while though

[real kindle]

tnx

also what level is recommended for haz 3?
I'm lvl 10, been running only haz 2 so far
wanna make sure I'm prepared before going higher

[gloomy herald]

you're probably fine for hazard 3

[real kindle]

cool, tnx again

[plush dew]

you have like 80 perk points left if you get all perk points unlocked and bought all perks with it.

[quiet wyvern]

again with Escort on the EDD, jeez louis

[plush dew]

so much to choose from, have your selection of escort, escort or escort.

[celest sluice]

Inb4 triple escort EDD next week

We had a double last week and that was nuts

[limber dragon]

As in repairing and refueling?

[feral atlas]

This EDD was honestly pretty easy.

[fiery canopy]

they should make gunner shields attach to doretta

[wraith shard]

only if they make C4 attach to scout

[spark spade]

Is Driller best option to solo the EDD?

I keep getting to the heartstone in stage 2 with my driller, but the rocks are too hard to kill before they hit the dozer

[plush dew]

you can use epc mining to do a lot of damage to them. besides that, prep some axes, they do a lot of damage to the dozer

[sleek verge]

I'd say engie is best

Yeah axes and epc

If you're running subata, the explosive reload is good too

[plush dew]

minigun gunner is probably the easyest for escort specifically

minigun destroys the beamers aswell

[sleek verge]

Great for the dreadnoughts too

In the third

[plush dew]

i mean everythung but driller is great for dreads

driller can do support with sticky ice/flames and epc mining does a lot of damage to the armor phase, but once its health phase, you're just there for the slow

[spark spade]

I've been trying to solo an EDD for the last month, and this is the best I've done, I have a good feeling about this one, if I could just get through that heartstone, I think I can pull it off

[plush dew]

if you're solo, with 2 dreads, you might actually want to run icestorm. its pretty terrible for everything else, but when solo you might just have enough ammo for that shit

[narrow nexus]

What are the missions for DD and EDD this week?

[plush dew]

#deep-dive-speedrunning

they were posted here aswell, but speedrun channel is much slower so its always easyer to find there

EDD is average, DD is very fast

[fringe kettle]

It’s my time to shine

Pinned. Messages.

[narrow nexus]

Aight thanks dude

[near delta]

Dozer babysitting with bs eggs and Lethal on 5... The most 2020 way to send off 2020. God I fucking hate this mission type.

[plush dew]

just drill to the eggs before you do dozer lol

[narrow nexus]

How many refuels actually?

[plush dew]

2

[drowsy spruce]

Ithe first phase is very doable if you grab eggs before dozer.

[gloomy herald]

dozer didn't hit the eggs in my game so I assume you can just do it after also

[gloomy herald]

edd was very mild this week tbh

[little oxide]

man, this week is punishing

[dim trellis]

engie hard carry doretta stage

[fresh escarp]

Nein

This thing is fucking tough

Im doing it solo gunner and holy shit is it hard

[gloomy herald]

well thats solo

its not bad with a competent 4-stack

[mossy jacinth]

Is going gunner with auto cannon toxin overclock a good idea on EDD? or should one take a minigun.

[floral tusk]

get the fear in t5

and pair it with single target sidearm setup

[feral atlas]

neurotoxin is a meme build

If I'm taking it, or see it taken, I'm going to assume that that person isn't trying to win

it's one of the builds where the vast majority of the time, it's simply a waste of potential from one of your power classes

[plush dew]

neurotoxin isnt meme lol

i played pretty much only neuro fromgold to legendary on gunner

[feral atlas]

It’s meme in the same way Bertha is meme. It’s such a waste of potential from the weapon on haz5.

[plush dew]

im only playing h5

[feral atlas]

You can still win with it ofc. But you’ll be taking your chances on weaker teams.

[plush dew]

neuro is fine. carries hard enough with sixshooter

[feral atlas]

And be somewhat irrelevant on stronger teams.

Even splinter shells will be more consistent.

If you are playing a pub EDD with players of unknown quality, neuro is one of the last gunner primary kits I would take

It’s fine if your team is above a minimal threshold of ability, but it’s far to specialized to be consistent with low quality teams

[floral tusk]

neuro is good but not as much as carpet bomber

why scatter them when you can obliterate them

[mossy jacinth]

i dont have a lot of overclocks to choose from

yet

might aswell just go engie with breach cutter inferno

thought neuro worked well enough with haz4 escort

[tranquil urchin]

I would never take Neuro on an EDD but I have taken it on plenty of Haz 4 missions. You wont kill bugs right away but they will die eventually, plus with the Fear effect from t5 you can use BRT7 or Bulldog to finish them off. It is pretty satisfying when you see a group of bugs ticking away and then just die from the DoT. BCABB is my go to build.

[mossy jacinth]

yeah i can see why one wouldnt take neuron on EDD

focus on ebign clearing swarms asap

while neuron with fear is good, it takes generally longer to take the rest out

[tranquil urchin]

Works very well on regenerative bug mods

[quartz badge]

Interesting how different every EDD feels for the players regarding difficulty. Sometimes i often read how hard it was and it's very doable for me even with a random team and then, a week later, it's the other way around. Probably comes down to the enemy spawns which are always different and small mistakes at the wrong time 🙂

[strange copper]

when i did the deep dive, the haunted ghost thing never actually spawned in. did the same happen to anyone else?

[wraith shard]

happened once in a regular game

[feral atlas]

How difficult the EDD is will always depend on what difficulty you normally play, what class you normally play, and how picky you are with teammates.

[tranquil urchin]

some level of communication helps too.

[dim trellis]

asking “r?” followed by 3 “r”

😩

[opal burrow]

I'm just consistently getting terribly bad teams on the EDD

Scouts not mining nitra, someone dying 10 times to the ghost, people calling double resupply pods, the works

[hazy comet]

most of the people who play this game a lot do it on thursday

sometimes the day after.

the rest of the week you dont have those skilled players

[feral atlas]

half the skill of EDD comes to evaluating whether or not the team is worth it

and as other people say, the team quality gets worse as time goes on

[gaunt valve]

Should I do some haz 5 missions to prepare for an EDD

Never really done either as I'm pretty comfortable with haz 4 and prefer to play on that

[carmine ridge]

i've never done deep dives before - anything i should know about them (yes i qualify for doing them)

[wraith shard]

i just point at the button with my laser

[wraith shard]

honestly that should do it, as long as your team has similar qualification

[feral atlas]

playing haz4 with mutators makes you okay to play EDD in a fairweather sense

if it's all going well, you'll contribute

but I don't expect you to perform under pressure

[wraith shard]

i did last week's EDD (double dozer) with 2 others and we didn't even have a gunner
and i play haz4
went down only once total
and i had highest player level in my team

[opal burrow]

Well, one run with people from here and we got through easily

We had enough nitra left over to build a wall in front of the final escape pod

[plush dew]

i made a resupply wall on the side of the drilldozer in stage 3 when the edd came out

getting trenched in

[muted scaffold]

What is on the edd this week or where can I find that info

[fringe kettle]

Pinned messages

[cyan palm]

So where should I start for my first deep dive?

Any places for tips or preparation?

(Tag me if you respond, or quote/reply to my message so I get a notification. Thanks!)

[mossy jacinth]

just did my first successful EDD and my god my head hurts

preparation for escort was just painful

[little cove]

Deep Dives will be comfortable to you if you play haz 3-4 a lot. EDDs will be comfortable to you if you play haz 5.

Run whichever class you are best at at first to get a taste of what to expect.

[mossy dune]

how do deep dives work in general? Just unlocked and I cant join any, they are all greyed out

[south sail]

Those have already started. You can wait/refresh until someone opens another, or create your own and wait for teammates

[mossy dune]

are they jsut harder versions of missions?

[south sail]

Basically. The catch is they are 3 missions back to back, which means your health, ammo, and minerals carry over each time

The EDD is generally harder, plus it tends to have a tougher set of modifiers

[cunning kraken]

they are sometimes even easier than regular haz5 missions imo, since you carry nitra over. you usually end up with 500+ nitra at the end of stage 3, except for a few EDDs

they just take long, since there is always an escort in it.... or 2