I assume just minimules
#deep-dive-discussion
merry monolith
EDD
yeah I can see another one from prior week with uplink explicitely listed
so i assume just minimules
this doc is very useful
jade basalt
edd: 1. drilldozer, 2. egg + ? (I forgot :D) 3. egg + morkite
merry monolith
Yeah Im reading off the google doc
jade basalt
yeah it was minimules
A good tip, if you have Rocky Mountain as beer, it's very useful: you can use the "dig the rock behind" tactic with oil shales to refuel the drilldozer cannisters
It's way faster than refilling it from the raw unmined oil shale directly
jade basalt
I guess it would work but not really worth
if you have c4 that means you're driller, so just drill behind it?
merry monolith
true
but why would you mine behind it if you could just laser the part that touches the wall
jade basalt
well, the dropped ore is faster to fill the cannister
jagged spruce
i give up on normal DD in second stage, its pure cancer for me soloing it
i gonna sit in corner drinking tea from now on
jade basalt
Soloing dd and edd with the new missions is absolutely harder
I did try soloing edd as I've said
failed as scout
Whereas in none of the missions before I'd have any trouble, because firepower/dps wouldn've been an issue, I'd just take my time and ammo's not a problem obviously since all the resupply is yours
vapid monolith
Edd is soloable
Took me over seven tries
Scout is a no go anymore
Stage one of you need aoe for mining the stone
jagged spruce
true i manage to solo the EDD but not the DD TT
sharp mica
Tried doing the EDD today while also deciding to try out the new autocannon on Gunner, que Mactera Plague on 2nd level. Fun times. Gonna give it another go tomorrow.
vagrant oak
the buff to ai stability means GK2 can twoshot grunts to the mouth
wonder if they intended that
heavy oriole
How close does 1 get to killing it
vagrant oak
just over 50%
it works out to like 54.4 per hit
have to take 16 damage and the hollowpoint
heavy oriole
Hmmm, how’s that fair to BoM on mouth under effect?
vagrant oak
not sure how BoM works on the total calculation
fringe kettle
the buff to ai stability means GK2 can twoshot grunts to the mouth
Yes, that was intended.
heavy oriole
I’m guessing since it’s a weakpoint bonus though, frozen targets it’s not so great against
in comp to BoM
quiet wyvern
I love Ai now, was using it earlier and it is fantastic
native pike
I lost ALL progress when I uninstalled and re-installed the game? Any fix for this. Im not starting at level 1 again..
azure spoke
which platform?
nova vine
Just doing bulldozer quest, and the dozer TELEPORTED back to spawn!!!! wth? Deep dive Elite
thorny geyser
AI stab for GK2 feels like smart gun now
fallen rune
This week's normal deep dive stage 2 was a pain in the arse
Anyone feel the same?
Especially the placements of the pumpjacks is so hard. Two of them are obnoxiously placed at high and steep angles above the pump station. Out of those two one is almost directly above the station, having to drill a tunnel with twists through a wall that is very close to the pumpstation
All while having the annoying unknown horror constantly harras you. Thank goodness they added Bosco ability to repair and build pipelines
kind bough
yes, the ghost is quite nasty
and on-site refining in general feels annoying because it so blatantly favors driller/engineer
fortunately I have been lucky enough to play with VC teammates who will run those
jagged spruce
i feel your pain, especially if you play solo
kind bough
scout in general feels really screwed on the new mission types
he's great to have on refineries to root out those morkite wells but god help you if you're solo scout
and the drilldozer, forget it
on page 1 on the Textbook Guide to Scouting written in Karl's divine ichor it says "if you get mobbed, run tf away"
but you can't do that when you're trying to protect a big dumb metal brick with a health bar
though again, these problems are felt most keenly in solo, DD or otherwise
fallen rune
There's a mad lad who did the deep dive as a scout SOLO
https://youtu.be/RYkWUNxF-K4
sacred fiber
now do EDD
stone cosmos
So uh, i never did a deep dive and I'm kinda nervous, can anyone help this wee dwarf
obsidian gorge
which hazard / difficulty are you used to ?
deft kite
deep dive is fairly easy this week but the edd first stage solo is very hard on a scout
it's probably doable but i'm not sure if you can actually solo it on scout
quiet tulip
I'm on the second DD mission with a driller who doesn't drill D: This is gonna take an hour by itself
kind bough
since all 3 wells are kind of on a ring on the upper level I tried to build the pipes in a spiral arrangement
that is to say, tried to keep them all next to each other to make maintenance easier
and not have to make 3 separate paths up to the wells
sage marsh
Winning play ^
old basin
this week's EDD really shafts solo scout
i ended up failing when i usually manage to do solo EDDs first try
kind bough
i haven't gotten to the second mission yet but i'm sure it's very fun™️
seeing as mactera seem to have a nasty habit of just not making noise before they grab you now
old basin
yeah
it's probably gonna be a pain
stone cosmos
I donțt understand why I canțt post an invite in the lfg chat
robust sedge
Yeah if I solo extract or DD I think I'll bring gunner, it might even be an excuse to finally promote driller. But Scout just.. god damn man.
That's some obnoxious shit lol
lament gale
honestly bring driller for the solo
for normal DD
otherwise you gonna make a labyrinth of pipes just to get to where the pumpjacks are
junior imp
hello where can i get a hold on that live skin for my dwarf when im streaming
?
odd comet
Driller and engi are the real mvps of refineries
barren mural
I also just finished this week's normal Deep Dive and I have some thoughts about the liquid morkite drilling. It was super-frustrating on this (mostly) vertical map, and it was S-L-O-W going to get it set up. We had to drill passages and set up Engi platforms (so I can't imagine doing it without those classes). And then constantly being harassed by the horror doesn't help at all. I like Deep Dives because it's this constant pressure to go-go-go, and this really broke the rhythm. Ugh.
sick ingot
The standard deep dive is super heavy handed on bulks this week isnt it. How many did we kill? Five?
6 if you count the horror, but i dont
barren mural
Yeah it was a bunch of bulks 🙄
sick ingot
It might actually be impossible as solo scout this week. Between the second stage. And the majority of bulks being on the first stage. You just dont have enough ammo
covert quiver
EDIT: Oops, wrong channel, sorry 😅
gleaming cave
Crassuses don’t spawn in Deep Dives, right?
fringe kettle
they shouldn't since they're spawned with the map and can be farmed
gleaming cave
Say, whats the difference between normal Deep Dives and Deep Dive Elite?
misty frigate
obsidian gorge
@gleaming cave
haz 3 - 3.5 - 3.5 for Regular
haz 4.5 - 5 - 5.5 for Elite
vapid monolith
Enemies hp and damage scale
obsidian gorge
well, you see actually it isn't just exactly like the regular missions, just that most stats are equal, but 5.5 is just 5, but with some stats being higher, like 2-3 of them
vapid monolith
To 5.5
gleaming cave
Are there Warnings every time or is it just enemy scaling?
gleaming cave
Sounds about right
sharp mica
Mactera Plague is the bane of my existence right now, what can I do?
gleaming cave
Macteras are weak to fire, if that helps any
Other than that, hope that you aren’t solo and can aim well. If not, good luck.
fringe kettle
Walk perpendicular to them while shooting. They’re easy when you know how to deal with them.
covert quiver
The opposite of in a straight line towards/away from them
So side-to-side
Combining that with jumping can also help, especially at closer ranges
wispy hornet
there's a nice diagram in there that shows how strafing makes you take no damage against ranged shots in this game (and many other single-player FPS/action games)
gleaming cave
Oh yeah right, strafing also helps
sharp mica
Yeah, the current EDD is just murder on me. I've gotten to the 3rd level twice over the course of like 8 attempts.
deft kite
@sharp mica are you NA ? i could help you
deft kite
fight what ?
gleaming cave
Dude is asking about Mactera swarm
In here
Says it’s on the third mission
aeugh
deft kite
what's wrong with mactera swarms though ?
deft kite
you can deal with it using flamethrower
using fire pgl
using snowball on driller
using subata on driller
using cryo grenade on scout
using triple line breach cutter
gleaming cave
I mean I know I can get them, but I’m also concerned about the part where I might not be able to
deft kite
?
gleaming cave
Again, I either do well, or go down a lot. If it’s the part where I go down a lot, well...
deft kite
usually player who go down a lot are just not used to being careful
macteras make a noise before shooting
you can fight them a lot easier if you retreat to a closed space vs fighting them in a big room
gleaming cave
I’ve noticed, too. Shooting them as they’re preparing to shoot also interrupts them. That or I stun them mid-attack
deft kite
not only that but the weakpoint is much easier to hit when they are about to shoot
gleaming cave
Still, all the knowledge in the world, I’d like to account for the part where I’ll make mistakes. I’ll try my damndest not to, but still
deft kite
here the trick
if you know you have mactera infestation
and he calls a wave just retreat
it's not worth losing 3/4 of your hp to finish mining nitra or gold
if you hear them just move
gleaming cave
I mean of course I’m gonna wipe out everything before I continue
I’m just concerned about my skill and luck in combat lol
gleaming cave
“NA?”
sharp mica
I got it in me for another run
deft kite
i'm ready to go
gleaming cave
West
I was gonna join some co op game anyway, itd be madness to try Elite solo
not after heccin killing a Dread on a Haunted Refinery
deft kite
got to level 3 but host dced so i still have to finish it
but we were done pumping
and dread was dead
gleaming cave
You talking about Normal or Elite?
gleaming cave
Oof
sharp mica
I already did normal, Elite's been the killer
gleaming cave
I’ll be on in a sec
sharp mica
It's posted
gleaming cave
Aight it- uh
It ended?
e
I uh, guess I'll just kind of
Me: "I'm afraid of this one, I'm gonna be honest."
Ally: "Haha, I don't have skills, so be very afraid."
Aaaaaaaaaaaa
Heccin guy just died as we got to the first room after start in the EDD and left, I aborted almost immediately
reef ledge
Can I just say
I am so glad the EDD ended with just a Morkite Mission
Me and my friends would have just failed if it was Drilldozer or Refinement. Hazard 5.5 with Lethal Enemies is not the easiest thing in the world, the fact that the main objective was simple was SO nice
Drilldozer Hazard 5.5 with Lethal Enemies... oh god poor Doretta.
Doesn't help that Stage 2 - Eggs and Mules with Mactera - is just... irritating to do in general
sharp mica
@deft kite Thanks for the help mate, GG
deft kite
np was fun
turns out it's the dd i bugged out on
edd was already done but it's always nice running it
azure spoke
Every EDD I've done this week has gone: meh 1st stage. Second stage: "let's all stand around this murder hole for a while so someone can mine that one nitra, tehn jump in that murder hole and die surrounded by enemies and separated from each other.
and if, by some cosmic joke, we survive to stage three, let's not learn anything and do the exact same thing
deft kite
well for having just done it there first one is drop the mule in third room for first stage the rest is easy
second stage is avoid open room when fighting macteras
3rd stage is stay grouped
azure spoke
which is first murderhole and second murder hole, respectively
so, you've given the exact advice I am saying they didn't follow
azure spoke
thanks.
I've gotten to stage 3 twice. Everyone died in the big open hole
no communication, no coordination
also, so many swarms spawned surrounding me.
I swear there's a spawn point lodged in my rectum
azure spoke
ah well, sooner or later I'll get it. or not and the week will roll around
bold prawn
I lost on stage 3 two times with randoms and decided to do EDD solo
took me 1h49m to complete since I took stage 3 extra slow though got my first EDD win as a result
visual lake
I think mactera plague is actually worse than lethal for escort
as if the scout isnt on point with cryo doretta is going down
that or engy paying attention with BC
flint zephyr
Gotta have to agree with you on paper at least. There's no actual cover to take during escort.
robust sedge
2nd EDD stage has 2 brood nexus spawners, 2 spitball infectors, and iirc a naedocite breeder. All in the same damn room with a hole to your starting room.
Already finished the Elite Deep Dive, but it took a second try lol.
outer shard
i tried to solo (+bosco) the EDD yesterday with enginner on my first try, but failed on the 3rd stage. any advice on stuff to change for it?
two things that come to mind are:
- is RJ250 bad for a solo EDD? would i be better off with a breach cutter?
- warthog or voltaic SMG? i use EM refire booster and mods are 22212
(sorry if this is not specific enough to deep dives)
screenshot of my build in #drg-gallery
old basin
RJ250 isn't something you should bring with the intent of winning in higher haz levels in general, nevermind an EDD
it's a stupidly fun overclock to use, but it's impractical at best + proper planning should lead to platforms being enough for mobility
either use fat boy/pack rat, or the breach cutter
and warthog/voltaic is basically up-to personal preference, so just take the one that you enjoy more
plush wind
the edd room with tons of eggs around is a trap
it’s waiting for you to trigger them all when horde spawns and you have to run and kite
calm belfry
Is the normal deep dive bugged right now?
drop pod just dropped onto the box the drill comes out of and failed the mission when we got in
sharp mica
I've had the EDD glitch out on me twice. The first time we were missing a mule leg and the second time, one of the dozer fuel cans jettisoned itself into the 5th dimension.
vapid monolith
@outer shard even with em refire, I don’t find stubby can match warthog for dps, but the grenade overclocks is the main problem as Freddy said. If you want to play stage three safe, get a swarm before descending the pit, if you get caught out you’re dead
flint zephyr
The leech at the pit is also a terrible spawn. It's very hard to see, it can grab you before you can react, and even if you're saved, you're now 50 meters below your entire team.
wintry kiln
EDD can be done without overclocks if your team is working together well
And EDD can also be failed horribly with good overclocks if your team doesn't work together well
really just do whatever's fun
and nice frog car @calm belfry
azure spoke
Is the normal deep dive bugged right now?
@calm belfry Might not be the DEEp Dive, but the Escort mission. I had a game where the Drilldozer despawned, and when we respawned it at the crate, it traveled back to where it despawned, then pulled a 180 and dug a path staight back toteh orignial drop pod location, turned around, and failed us the mission.
visual lake
@haughty knot
The leech at the pit is also a terrible spawn. It's very hard to see, it can grab you before you can react, and even if you're saved, you're now 50 meters below your entire team.
@flint zephyr lol the leech grabbed our driller and he drilled his way back up to us avoiding the entire whole mess cus we all had convenient tunnels to ascend/descend levels .
flint zephyr
It was I think our gunner that got dropped, and a swarm showed up as soon as he was released, so we weren't exactly in the best of situations. We just came up to that leech when he got grabbed so we didn't have any tunnels made.
true plover
Can Escort Duty and On-Site Refining spawn as Deep Dive Objectives?
visual lake
@true plover yes but only as primaries
true plover
Nice.
shut sierra
similar to say, point extraction
manic pivotBOT
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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks 
Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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visual lake
btw anyone know if Karl is updated with new patch ?
balmy yacht
When is the Halloween event starting?
wraith shard
Had mactera plague in an elite deep dive run. We lost in less than 5 minutes 😩
deft kite
@wraith shard on the second level avoid taking fight in open spaces, use narrower tunnels
loud lodge
oof
daring quiver
[bug] dammit, we finished the deep dive, but i didn't get the 3rd prize
median siren
Tell the devs in #bug-discussion
kind bough
at least ninja grabbers are fixed now
sudden pendant
haunted on pipe mission is the most annoying thing ever
wraith shard
@sudden pendant preach brotha
unborn heart
How long do deep Dives typically take?
obsidian gorge
iirc 40min - 1 hour, depends if you already know what you are doing / speedrunning / etc etc
lavish oyster
Can a same deep dive happen twice?
obsidian gorge
it is seeded, you will always get the same one before it resets (weekly)
vague elbow
It won't be exactly the same since wave spawns are still randomized, but every time you enter with the same number of players it will be laid out the same way
vocal knoll
Standard DD does not look solo friendly this week.
gleaming cave
Hell no it ain’t
opaque widget
I did it but it took me nearly 2 hours
gleaming cave
Took me nearly an hour attempting to do the second mission, heccin nightmare on solo. I didn’t even lay all the pipes before I got downed a fourth time.
Yes, I failed.
opaque widget
Just gotta play scout and avoid stuff while bosco builds
gleaming cave
Bosco can build?
opaque widget
Yes, command him to build the first piece of pipe once you connect it @gleaming cave
gleaming cave
Huh, neat.
opaque widget
he will then go along the entire line building
gleaming cave
Yay
sleek crescent
Did anybody else here some very powerful roars in the deep dive when breaching a new room with dorretta?
kind bough
i heard the roar of the fusillade fired by 200 webspitters
solar cobalt
The last stage of this week's EDD (plus the halloween) feels like haz 6. I had to solo engi to have a chance and still failed due to a stupid mistake. It's the most unforgiving last stage through all of my 600h of gameplay, and I love it. Lost for the first time in 300 hours.
Without halloween it's doable, but when a swarmer eats half of your face in a hit and the whole map is teeming with them, that's haz 6.
Also, the last explosion of the second stage has interesting interaction with the event: instead of clearing the enemies as intended, it gives you a wave of swarmers due to all pumpkins being simultaneously broken. God I love this EDD.
I propose to set the current last stage of this EDD as a standard of what the last stage should look like: unforgiving, with the success percentage being much lower than usual.
cosmic niche
There are 2 kind of miners, those who love the challenge of pumpkins, and those who hate em. 😂
kind bough
but the last stage of the EDD is already unforgiving
you get one shot and that's it
because all it rewards is a cosmetic and if management seriously thinks I can be bothered to grind through stages 1 and 2 again if I fail stage 3,
azure spoke
oh no. I haven't finished EDD yet, and am trying to get a team together. I've failed it a few times already. I didn't realize that halloween was gonna make it tougher
well, I was gonna bunker a bunch on stage 2 and 3 anyway, maybe that would mitigate teh pumpkin menace a bit
vague elbow
Looks like tomorrow's DD day got more interesting
azure spoke
you do DDs on Tuesdays?
merry monolith
oh
No
Its jsut that as the week goes on the majoirty of the people remain who do it are people who haven't succeeded yet
So you often have to carry the people who still havn't done it by wednesday
heavy oriole
That DD was a slog
azure spoke
EDD pod 10
muted root
Kinda wish they weren't just a once a week thing
faint quail
game keeps quiting mission in deep dive elite 1st mission
graceful stag
anyone wanna do EDD?
royal skiff
The third stage was super short and we had 600 nitra
It helps that your whole team can sidegrade into swarmer killing without any penalty to the rest of the challenges
worn glade
Any advise for someone doing deep dives for the first time? Got first promotion yesterday, and i hope to get at least some rewards before the week reset. Should i just try doing it with pugs until i get a decent team?
solar cobalt
@worn glade In short, yes. Mine all nitra, ask before ordering a supply pod. Current DD will be ok if you did haz 4 before, EDD if you live on haz 5.
kind bough
also if you host don't be afraid to kick people who are cocks, you're not a doormat
I remember when my friend and I were halfway to second promotion and some ass joined our EDD and was like "promotion 1? do you even have fully upgraded weapons"
like one, yes, two, why did you even join in the first place, and three, enjoy your kick
and no, we didn't clear it all the way through, but we made it to stage 3 and we (and the rando I didn't give the boot) had a fun time
Nothin makes people rude like EDD
solar cobalt
aaaaand they've just patched the EDD pumpkins, now there are much fewer of them. Sad.
at least I tried it once more before they did it
Still died at Stage 3 extraction XD
Overconfidence blah blah killer blah blah
So, basically, it was doable if you position your turret properly at all times and don't take any chances with extraction.
royal skiff
@worn glade if you can norm haz4 you can probably survive an EDD with decent teamwork. This week's isn't too bad so it's worth trying. Pub with the #lfg-steam channel
royal skiff
Compared to last week. This week you need to meta a little for the swarmers.
Stubby with EM, even BC with plasma trail and you won't notice them as much
But the fact that cryo kills them now means any driller combo leaning towards ammo should be able to protect the whole team
But you said early you tried it solo. I don't know if the pumpkins scaled their spawns for team count but that seems like a lot of noise I wouldn't want to try it solo lol
wraith shard
Deep dive resets at what time today? I'm not near my pc
@royal skiff is there a website to find out how much hp an enemy has on a certain hazard level? Someone told me EDD goes beyond haz 5
I've been using the bulldog revolver with elephant rounds to one shot mactera. Not sure if its over kill.
royal skiff
I've heard EDD is pegged to "5.5" but I don't think breakpoints are the difficulty, either way you just need to sustain fire vs. groups or single targets and hit the objectives at an even pace
lean raft
Funny enough I've done EDDs with a group of 4 gunners, so that sustained fire is on point lol
royal skiff
imo gunner can handle flyers with it's primary I do think ele rounds are overkill but it's up to you we all have the enemies we most want gone
lean raft
Almost feel it can be a matter of luck at the same time, like the position of some objectives and anomalies vs warnings of a mission
royal skiff
Yeah group clears are so much about magnifying damage spread, either sweeps with the minigun or AC saturation
wraith shard
I still had trouble with mactera plague as gunner. There were too many of them without being able to apply a sort of crowd control since they are in the air.
royal skiff
You mean luck in EDD? They're seeded for pre-design so mostly identical
wraith shard
Maybe its because I play with a controller. Oof.
royal skiff
Lol maybe they're weiners for follow up shots
But if macteras are a struggle the real solution is a engi canopy or driller cave (not even full bunker)
Something that breaks line of sight and forces them to clump closer before they can hit you
Plus with mactera swarms the ground units are halved so you'll never get overrun just hugging a wall
If you take the time to do a bit of team setup you'll clear them every time. But that's not an option for solo gunner. They're probably the worst equipped vs mactera
Imo the bulldog just kills them too slowly if they're really a threat
Positioning is the best tactic against mactera for reducing the threat
wraith shard
just completed my first deep dive.
queen citrus
they are great fun, huh
kind bough
macteras with controller sounds horrible
but i agree, abuse cover
I still have nightmares about that one magma core EDD with the black box right next to a flat wall of an enormous room
naive rose
One time we went with 4 gunners for mactera plague and it worked out beautifully
just chaining shields as soon as the hordes started
amazing
royal skiff
Yeah imo it's usually the mactera you're not looking at that's the one that kills you
when they fan out and can hit you in 2/3s directions suddenly jumping away from one doesn't shot dodge the other
wintry geode
Deep dive resets at what time today? I'm not near my pc
@wraith shard 10/29 UTC 12:00
So I think It would be tomorrow
wraith shard
@wintry geode rock and stone brother
waxen tangle
someone want to join my edd, dm me 😄
somber minnow
Pour one out for me and my crew who got absolutely wrecked in a deep dive last night 
obsidian quail
vocal knoll
Finished a solo DD. Stage 1 and 3 were a breeze, stage 2 as expected was miserable, took over an hour dodging the haunter while trying to lay pipe
dull grove
As a green beard, what should I expect my first DD. I'm usually driller
obsidian gorge
@dull grove expect something like hazard 3 - 3.5 - 3.5
muted root
How hard is an elite deep?
azure spoke
Haz 5+. Not too hard with experience, communication, and a plan. I am by no means a pro gamer and i can get through them with a decent group in a discord pod
royal skiff
I agree a good plan goes a long way, it takes a lot of skill just to bum rush the levels without voice chat
obsidian gorge
@muted root haz 4.5 - 5 - 5.5 for Elite
vocal knoll
If anyone is still planning to run solo DD I’d recommend either using Gunner for an easy stage 1/3 and annoying stage 2 where you’ll do a lot of kiting. Or Driller which should give a relatively quick stage 2 while having what should be acceptable firepower for stage 1/3. Stage 1 has 500+ nitra readily available, so supply drops will never be an issue.
zenith storm
too hard.
vocal knoll
@calm belfry Might not be the DEEp Dive, but the Escort mission. I had a game where the Drilldozer despawned, and when we respawned it at the crate, it traveled back to where it despawned, then pulled a 180 and dug a path staight back toteh orignial drop pod location, turned around, and failed us the mission.
@azure spoke
I had the exact same thing happen with the dozer the day update 32 was released in a regular mission. Though our dozer drilled to the heartstone before turning back around instead of the refuel checkpoint it despawned at. Was kinda cool it flew through the air over one of the caverns 20-40m over the ground for 200m+ while we were riding.
fringe kettle
If you experience that, grab a screenshot of the ESC menu, which contains the seed for the map, and paste it in #bug-discussion
vocal knoll
Will do if happens again. posted in bug discussion when it happened but didn’t realize you could grab the seed. I suspect the cause wasn’t the map seed but actually a gunk seed that despawned/respawned next to the dozer while refueling.
fringe kettle
Either way, if the devs have the map seed then they can recreate it (not the textual name of the map, a numerical string)
vague elbow
I need to change my nickname to "Horror Bait"
deft kite
@stuck tendon look at pins
stuck tendon
tyvm
azure spoke
I need to change my nickname to "Horror Bait"
@vague elbow did you get chased all over the stage by the DD Unknown Horror?
desert void
that second stage of DD was brutal trying it solo XD
merry monolith
Yo we can't find the first mule's leg on EDD stage 1, 2 player
We only found on on the ground, one by the mule
wheres the last leg? Is it outside the starting room?
azure spoke
no, it should be in the starting room.
maybe on a ledge?
should be pretty close to the mule.
gleaming cave
Did you find the Mule leg, Olfactory?
sudden pendant
Yo we can't find the first mule's leg on EDD stage 1, 2 player
@merry monolith I had the same problem until I realized it was under doretta
merry monolith
oooooo clever girl
sudden pendant
that was on the second mule tho
merry monolith
No we never found it
we restarted the level after searching for a minute or two sinc we just began
The second time the leg apperaed
in the place it always does
2 on the ground on that shelf thing, 1 next to the mule
sudden pendant
yeah thats why i hate they removed the 4th leg spawn
sudden pendant
this update
merry monolith
Also is it just me or when I played the EDD from before - it was literally different. Like mule spawns were in different locations
from like last week
azure spoke
this week's EDD was different to last week's EDD, yes
flint zephyr
They are different every week. There are different missions at each stage with different modifiers and cave layouts. Well, I say different modifiers, but we know there will always be a mactera plague somewhere in every EDD.
azure spoke
last week had no mactera plague. Must have been a bug.
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deft kite
they used to be on wednesday at some point i think
median siren
Nah it always was Thursday
vague elbow
@azure spoke not only did it chase me all over the stage, it refused to even look at my partner's tasty looking scout pickaxing it in the butt while I was on the other side of the cave
It had it out for specifically me. Which was bad because I was the one with platforms and pipe laying experience
haughty plank
Engineer: hawkey system or defender?
deft kite
really depends
haughty plank
both good?
deft kite
yeah
haughty plank
kk
deft kite
like in mining expedition
setting a mk2 hawkeye can keep you free of pest while mining
or warn you that something is coming
2 mk1 are hawkeye are great for swarmer/naedocyte control
mk2 defender is awesome for bunkering down
median siren
Gemini defender is the way
@haughty plank you should play gemini defender
They are really good in the live version
haughty plank
steam
vague elbow
Hawkeye is an acquired taste, defender is your meat and potatoes that's good everywhere for almost everyone
Also #drg-chat is usually the place this stuff is discussed
warped citrus
Calling it, shield disruption magma core and mactera plague next EDD
we got 2 weeks in a row with it, lets go for 3
serious talk tho I s2g it is bugged since we had mactera plague so many times in a row with exceptions to 2 weeks ago
coral sun
Hi
Is it worth to play Deep Dives if i just need EXP/Gold ?
obsidian gorge
May be better to go for double exp, gold rush / bugs missions instead ?
coral sun
oke
gleaming cave
Imagine the “Increased Hauntings” affects these dives
grim lark
I attempted to do this current EDD, full squad. Everything went more or less smoothly, until the end of the last segment. Our driller went down b/c lethal enemies, thats how it be. The problem was that while we were cleaning up the wave that downed them, a main wave spawned. Directly above us, in an enclosed area by the dirt patch he was headed for. You can see where this is going.
ancient lantern
what class is the most “powerful” in a way?
grim lark
Gunner is damage, engie is area control, driller is enviroment control, and scout is mobility / solo carry character.
ancient lantern
ah okay!
kind bough
wew, cleared the EDD
that suuuucked
That room with like 8 bajillion eggs near the end of the third mission is the actual worst
ivory hearth
Engineer is by far the most versatile class imo
they can do whatever, nothing really limits them
ancient lantern
i’m gonna continue with scout
kind bough
you'll most likely end up promoting them all at least once anyway
scout is my favorite but have fun using him on escort
and trying to do morkite refining without a driller or engineer is omegalul
ancient lantern
i’m usually the only scout out of my friends kekw
full arrow
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normal DD was more of hastle than EDD imo
lament gale
i agree
kind bough
depends what my definition of "hassle" feels like today I guess
DD stage 2 was certainly tedious
but i did not particularly enjoy EDD stage 3 lethal enemies when mission control decided to ram a grunt swarm and a swarmer swarm up my tailpipe
spare trail
I'll always take difficult over tedious
just like, having to wait for the slow ass horror to walk away enough so I could get back to building pipes was extremely frustrating
deft bough
hey I just completed the elite deep dive for the first time, and if Dreadnought the Driller is here, I just wanted to say thank you again for saving me with one minute left when you could've just left. msg me! you're a great guy
tough zodiac
when does DD and EDD reset?
vocal knoll
I tried to get all 3 pipelines going at the same time, so when the horror got close I could relocate to another pipe to work on.
cosmic niche
Driller really shines in haunted refinery
Having driller, engi, and scout, just got scout to kite ghost while I drilled short tunnels to each
trail quest
Also the new buffs for the cryo gun are an absolute winner. Premium crowd control.
cosmic niche
cryo makes me so happy now.
weary ravine
what exact time of the day do the devs usually update the deep dives
cosmic niche
if you look there should be a timer in game
It's probably in like, 3-4 hours at this point
azure spoke
8 AM US eastern time zone, so 1200 UTC
kind bough
rip scout, ever the ghost-kiting bitch
what a sloggy mission that was
at least until the ghost decides to not project its particle field anymore so it can't be distracted
that's when it gets s p i c y
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quiet mortar
DEEP DIVE
Region: Dense Biozone | Code Name: Jagged Dusk
Stage 1: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | Critical Weakness
Stage 2: 
200 Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | 
Shield Disruption
Stage 3: 
6 Eggs + 📡 1 Black Box | Parasites
ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Open Trail
Stage 1: 
10 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 2: 
2 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | Volatile Guts Mactera Plague
Stage 3: 
Protect The Drilldozer + 2 Eggs | Shield Disruption
quiet mortar
Definitely if we get some fun Missions later in the Dive lol
waxen verge
according to reddit its fun times ahead
got mactera plague and shield disruption
on salvage on doretta respectively
wary grail
Anyone know what the rest of the standard dive is yet?
waxen verge
not yet
wary grail
Is that because nobody has done it and reported back?
quiet mortar
I've heard nothing yet.
Though, WhoEven just began streaming the Dives, so that should change soon.
waxen verge
yep
muffin there's more EDD info from the reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/jk5wvl/weekly_deep_dives_thread_29th_october_2020/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
quiet mortar
Cheers! Updating now!
median siren
Does anyone have info about what are the deep dive settings for Microsoft?
quiet mortar
Don't know anything about the Xbox Dives sadly. Not sure if they are different or the same.
Try asking in #xbox-and-windows-store
median siren
They are different and I already asked and there’s no one that know about them
hollow wasp
Jacob said they should be the same: #xbox-and-windows-store message
kind bough
At this point I'm not convinced other EDDs exist besides Magma Core Mactera Plague Shield Disruption
Like not even the ghost bothers to show up
It's ALWAYS macteras
gleaming tinsel
I'm used to it... I miss salt pits or crystal caverns being the EDD
sullen flicker
How often do we have all black boxes in deep dives lol
kind bough
I cleared last week's Dense Biozone EDD and I'm pretty sure it was still Magma Core and I just imagined the coral
gleaming tinsel
It has been..... 6-7 straight weeks of sheild Disruption on the EDD?
kind bough
Feels like it
gleaming tinsel
checks spread sheet in pinned
quiet mortar
I know right? Couldn't believe what I was watching when I marked it down!
kind bough
alao haz 5.5 drilldozer, my heart is not ready for this
gleaming tinsel
It's either majority sheild Disruption or Magma core or both. With few breathing spaces
quiet mortar
I feel nothing but sorrow for Speed Runners. That Stage 3 will be make or Break for anyone doing the Elite normally.
gleaming tinsel
Funny thing is I am a Gunner main. And Bulks used to bring me joy..... but with Drill escort the Dread is back. If you dont use your sheild fast enough on the Bulk to back it off.. it's an instant loss. (Yes I know it takes 3 bulks to actually kill the drill)
quiet mortar
Considering the most I've seen is 4 in a mission, it's not too far fetched to think about it.
Definitely upped their priority during Missions, same with Acid Spitters.
gleaming tinsel
Anyone had a x2 bulk spawn on drill? Seems to happen WAAAAY to often
Like 2 at the same time
median siren
I had like 6 on the refining/haunted cave stage last week
gleaming tinsel
And I had none XD . But 3 on the drill mission prior
My last 300 hours have seen .... odd and inconsistent bulk spawns
indigo jungle
holy hell the dwarves aren't the best this EDD
gleaming tinsel
I have found you need and good engi/ gunner for drill missions if your doing randoms
wraith shard
i had 2 spawn during extraction in regular DD
or was that a weekly core mission...
it all blurs, either way stage 3 of EDD was an actual challenge this week i like it. Was like 2 seconds away from losing doretta but she pulled thru for us
indigo jungle
magma core shield disruption xD
stage 3
and here I am with more kills than gunner as 
wraith shard
i mean... if you focus small spawns while he focuses larger enemies thats normal
or if youre not scouting well and hes gotta farm nitra...
kind bough
i'm happy enough as gunner if i've prevented a team wipe(s) with clutch shield placement
not that i don't like being the crowd control champion too but sometimes your driller is just ballin' out of control ok
wraith shard
More often than not Flame Driller or Engis take kill totals with ease. All those swarmers add up man...
Teamwork makes the dream work 😎
bronze zinc
holy shit stage 2 of the EDD mactra spawn
flat terrace
stage 3 was such a pain
doretta drilled over an egg spawn
triggered the swarm in addition to the first segment swarm
kind bough
and i thought last week sucked when we spent ages looking for the last mini mule leg
that it turned out doretta had parked on top of
toxic sapphire
Welcome to this week EDD, we have:
Spicy rock
One big vertical hole
Pesky insects
Shieldn't
P a i n
On a more serious note, is Magma Core suppose to be this frequent in EDD
merry monolith
Yeah the devs run EDDS seeds until they die to one and then choose that as a seed
can't be convinced otherwise
near swift
are you kidding me
ANOTHER mactera plague magma core
WHY
literally i've been playing for like two months and i think only one of the six or seven deep dive sets i've done has not had mactera plague
kind bough
please tell me the big vertical hole is on the mactera plague stage
it's just not a mactera plague EDD without a big fuck you shaft that's a death sentence if you fall down it
odd comet
Well of course, they have to make the grabbers dangerous somehow
toxic sapphire
Nah the hole's in the first stage, so no grab-and-fall-to-your-death
But still, big fuckin hole mean pain to everyone but the scout
kind bough
it's not the grabbers I'm worried about (now that they fixed ninja grabbers)
visual lake
10 aquaros big hole seems pretty bad
That said grabbers die super EZ now with explosive reload driller
kind bough
it's that if you end up at the bottom of a hole then congratulations, you are now in a location you can't escape easily and have zero cover in
that's like open season for the standard shooty macteras
they'll tear you to pieces
of course if a grabber DID drop you down the shaft then congratulations, they'll camp your body and kill the guy who comes down to save you too
I did have a pretty vindictive grabber once that aborted the whole "dropping me for fall damage" agenda and just dragged me through a big wad of glyphids and a praetorian like 7 times
That was painful
Turns out glyphids can still chomp you when you're grabbed
near swift
the mactera grabbers are just food deliverymen for glyphids
vague elbow
Yeah it's a fun learning experience
toxic sapphire
I have heightened sense on all dwarf, can't relate
visual lake
Heightened senses don’t help when the wave has 3 macta
That said no crazy 50m leech grabs with the pit right
viral tulip
I did find out today that if you fire a snowball right before getting grabbed it'll still pop and freeze the grabber
toxic sapphire
Nop, no leech far as I know
That said, if you're a scout, be prepare to pry a aquarg or 2 off a wall, there isn't enough easy-to-reach aquarg to reach the misson requirement
They're high enough that even driller will struggle to reach
heavy oriole
@tulip sequoia new EDD looks hard af
tulip sequoia
shield disruption stage 3....
toxic sapphire
Imma add more fuel
Doretta will drill through an egg in stage 3 as well
Have fun dealing with double swarm
And maybe a bulk too
tulip sequoia
yeah...dealing with doretta on a duo is going to be extremely difficult
deft kite
ez pz
@heavy oriole only thing that makes it hard is a bad driller and not taking fight at the right place in the first room
otherwise it's pretty easy
you should be drowning in nitra by the third level
i reccomend taking ice build with heavy hitter epc
heavy oriole
Ty for the tips @deft kite
flint zephyr
Mac-fuckin-tera plague and shield disruption, on magma core!
Third week in a row with mactera?
oh god, mactera on a mule primary, that's always a real treat.
warped citrus
FUCK
I CALLED IT LOL
NO I DIDN'T WANT TO BE RIGHT THIS TIME LMAOOO
this hurts me
karl forgive me for I have fucked up LOL
kind bough
at least with macteras I have mostly consistent counterplays by now, we've gotten so frickin many
abuse cover, contract agoraphobia, have driller on standby to drill a panic hole when 20 macteras silently surround you on all sides
be cracked out on paranoia so you hear grabbers spawn immediately and shriek "GRABBER" in VC just in case anyone missed it
Exploder infestation and lethal enemies I have more problems with
and of course shield disruption just blows goats
heavy oriole
@warped citrus thanks for causing this
merry monolith
Wait
Wait a sec
is that the new EDD?
Its macter plague again?
with shield disruption to boot?
on Magma core of all stages?
kind bough
where's my grabber pog emote
merry monolith
shield disruption last is not thaaaat bad
usually you have excess nitra by that stage
Maybe no this time because I feel as if people are incentivised to rush both stage 1 and 2
deft kite
@warped citrus people still struggle against it so they are going to keep using it
everytime there shield disruption or mactera plague people complain that it's hard
edd is meant to be hard
fringe kettle
the difficult gamemode is difficult?
mactera are not difficult to deal with. People only complain about them because they don't understand how to kill them (burn them or freeze them)
faint quail
so i took a little break from playing, did deep dive elite get a lot more hard? or did i just get un-used to the games pace?
ashen ridge
EDD wasn't as bad as expected. we just ran it with 3.
be ready for a det to come at the drill.
warped citrus
@heavy oriole I'M SORRY LOL
heavy oriole
so far, duos on escort has been a major pain, we'll see how this EDD goes
last weeks regular DD took us somewhere around 50 min...and our EDD time is normally 25-40min
honest trout
the edd is pretty rough, the 2nd one is really cancerous until you can clear out those broods and breeders
3rd one that first wave is nuts too, you should make your driller dig to the egg first so you dont get a double wave at the same time, its not that far
cosmic yacht
Anyone else crashing as you enter the pod at the end of a stage in DD ??Happened twice in a row now
wintry kiln
had some good luck with a public team on EDD, we did well
kind bough
man, fuuuck the EDD
that tall-ass aquarq room blows goats
also, my duo got owned on stage 2 because we both iron willed to rez the other
feelsbad
will have to try again tomorrow I guess
steady narwhal
Shield disruption on magma core let's fucking goooooooo
heavy oriole
tss tss tss
“Ow! Ooh! Hot hot!”
tss tsssss
azure spoke
my boots! My poor boots!
flint zephyr
My only real complaint with mactera plague is that it's in almost every week's elite dive. I've encountered it so many times at this point that I can counter it, but it's honestly getting really tiring having to do the exact same warning every single week. There's gotta be other ways to make elite dives hard instead of piling on mactera plague and shield disruption every week.
It's supposed to be hard but it's kinda like I'm playing the same mission difficulty, just gotta collect one thing instead of another. Like honestly I wouldn't mind ghost on glacial/sandblasted on an elite dive at this point.
warped citrus
@flint zephyr other than 2 weeks ago, it has been in the edd for 6 weeks in a row iirc
4 weeks, a one week break, then 2 more weeks iirc
They really outta blacklist mactera plague for a few weeks since it is ACTUALLY tiresome haha
cause trust me, I'd like to play with other perks other than heightened senses and iron will Lol
honest trout
wew
that was a fun edd
except stage 2, thats cancer
with all the breeders and shit
gleaming cave
Heccin Balanced Team or 4 Gunners, attempting to get into Level 2’s Kill Room suuuucks
Felt like getting into Fort Knox
honest trout
ya its a hard room to push into with all the breeders
gleaming cave
Everything flies
The Naedocites wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the Mactera Plague
terse marlin
anyone having trouble with the elite because of the mactera plague?
gleaming cave
Mactera Plague on its own isnt bad
It’s pretty damn rough with all of the Kill Room stuff
gloomy herald
yeah
an engi with double turrets definitely helps with all the breeder spawn
if you cant get to them right away
terse marlin
I just had 2 breeders, a brood nexus, 2 spitballers and a thousand macteras descend upon me
it was just wave after wave of like 35 spawns
gleaming cave
EDD, right?
terse marlin
yes
gleaming cave
Yeah I hit a new record of 22 downs
terse marlin
nice, mactera plague is just plain OP lol
gleaming cave
Mactera Plague sucks on Solo, but sucks overall when combined with Kill Room crap
terse marlin
yea, didn't help with the plants and stuff
bold prawn
Mactera plague was fine on solo explosive reload driller
gleaming cave
Pfheeh, that I’d bet.
bold prawn
bht yeah, brutal in a 4 team
gleaming cave
Heccin Shield Disrupt in Magma Core, in Hazard 5+
At least you have a permanent lure to keep heat off of yourself.
Sucks that there’s a Bulk though.
terse marlin
of course theres a bulk
what deep dive is completed without one
I'm at least gonna get that weapon core even if it takes the whole night
covert quiver
Not just a bulk, a bulk on the final wave in magma core 
gloomy herald
id honestly take shield disruption over lethal enemies at that point
grunts pretty much one shot your shield on that difficulty anyways
gleaming cave
Oh ye, and enemies are technically weaker against you on Shield Disrupt!
covert quiver
They are? 
gleaming cave
You know how you die a lot faster when you don’t have shield in normal missions, but less so in Shield Disrupt?
little cove
You have buffed health on shield disruption
pure laurel
wait really
fresh shell
Just finished EDD. Stage 3 was nuts
fresh shell
i thought the first 2 were easy. I hate shield disrupt though
gleaming cave
I can manage Shield Disrupt especially if it's on Escort. The Kill Room sucks, as always, but at least you have a permanent Lure.
Conditionally Permanent.
Now Mactera Plague and that monster of a choke point on Stage 2, however...
gleaming cave
Oh yeah, I forgot about the big boi.
Yeah some guys were smart enough to do that. I saw the Bulk, but was focused on direct defense.
fresh shell
didnt know about mactera plague going in, but luckily we had cryo grenades and cryo driller
was fun though, it is better when they provide some challenge
gleaming cave
Yeah, Mactera Plague isn't that big of a deal, but again, that choke point guarded by a Spitballer, 2 Breeders (no frost), Brood Nexus and Haz 5 miniswarm waves
I'm sticking with my IFG's but damn I wish I had Cryonades
fresh shell
oh yeah i remember that, i was able to take out the 2 breeders with cryo grenade and accidentally caught the spit baller in the blast. LUCKY
warped citrus
Cryo nades are super good
summer verge
this dd and edd was easy af 4 man
worn glade
Any advise on edd stage 1? Should i dig eggs after i collected all aquarqs, or at any times? Just had my first try and i felt like i barely had time to do anything between waves. I was collecting all nitra while keeping bosco digging aquarqs 24/7, got to part where you wait for pod to come back and went down to a detonator. But by that time i was already out of bosco revives. I'm relatively new player and trying solo edd for the first time so i bet i'm missing something, especially since point extractions aren't a mission i run often (playing as driller).
toxic sapphire
I would say dig the first egg once you have enough nitra for a pod, and the second one somewhere middle of the mission
Don't dig after you collect all the aquarg, at that point you would be overran by bug
Also EDD are not meant to be solo'd, you want a team of 4 for it
worn glade
Oh well, thanks for advise. I tried to solo DD yesterday and it was a breeze as if i was playing on haz3. So i thought i'd be able to at least do first 1-2 stages of edd for overclocks.
azure spoke
Just finished my first Solo DD
Easy Peasey, really
Black Boxes all three stages, no real problem with a decent bunker
only real threat were the shellbacks, but they didn't really cause much issue
I think second stage was teh one I struggled most on - got down to a very small amount of HP left.
But I was stingy with resupplies - one pod per level.
played as driller, btw
ooh. Ice spear. I've heard some good and bad things about this overclock
hot cargo
Seriously, what's with doretta drilling directly into the first egg on 3rd stage EDD?
plush ravine
Solo DD is actually pretty easy but just time consuming
hot cargo
I solo'd my first DD just because no body would join my lobby 😦
plush ravine
I manage to not call a single supply in this week's solo DD btw
pretty doable
But the achievement seems not work on DD
Im sad
As a driller
I just drill into where the egg is first
Then flaten and make stair first
the fight became pretty easy
^ for EDD
hot cargo
Yeah, that's what my team came up with right after we failed
just drill to the eggs first, deal with the swarm, then summon doretta since she can't take damage while in the cage
plush ravine
I done both on the first try, but my EDD random team are some veterans
azure spoke
yeah, I have heard that difficulty scales with number of players
and bosco is a big help, so solo is supposedly pretty easy
plush ravine
most of the swarm doesn't even reach my sticky flame
azure spoke
I've failed black boxes before on solo, but I wasn't playign driller, and it might have been haz 4
probably
toxic sapphire
Nah, DD doesn't scale to haz 4
azure spoke
No, the black box I failed ... hmm no, yeah, it must have been stage 2 of DD, my bad
summer verge
all I know is edd is 5 5.5 5.5
azure spoke
aquarq mission.
plush ravine
EDD is 5,5,5.5
plush ravine
oh I see
royal skiff
Dory drilling the first egg is so funny. That's the kind of little things they craft into EDDs.
plush ravine
isn't it random
I thought it's random
It is fun tho, yeah
We had a large swarm and it's amazing
royal skiff
It's "seeded". They start with a random map and tweak it
plush ravine
I see
royal skiff
Yeah I think they think up specific challenges that way
But like when caverns swallow the black box that's, afik, something they script in with a probability
plush ravine
Kinda want another even more challenging game mode
suicidal dive lul
hazard 5,5.5,6
royal skiff
A "no one makes it out alive" scenario where you go as far as you can
Till you're doing 2x BETC or something
plush ravine
Will be good
I need a ultra dangerous situation to dig out even more potential of sticky flame
Still didn't reach it's limit even in 3rd stage EDD
Or I need to get in a group then watch my whole team die
in order to face a higher difficulty
wraith shard
Finally managed to clear EDD Stage 3, so scuffed run took an hour but we scraped it together
Cryo Driller is life saving in that god damn stage
wraith shard
Cryo Driller is life saving in that god damn stage
plush ravine
You save your teammates' ass but very likely not yours
lul
If your team do not know what they should do
cryo is pretty useless
waxen verge
not if you drill everything down >:D
ashen ridge
did the drill go through the egg for everyone? it didn't for us
sturdy field
yo how is the DD this week? I want to take my greenbeard friends on the DD
worn glade
I found it super easy, this is the second DD for me ever and i don't have any overclocks, decided to try and solo it for shits and giggles and actually did it with only 1 down over 3 stages.
@sturdy field
it was also my first shield disruption experience, but apart from ton of those obnoxious cacti on the second stage it wasn't that bad
copper steeple
i had 1 and now i was on a mission found a crate and got a nother onež
Borg Cube?
also that thing only pops up when i'm in the item shop
spiral perch
did my first edd yesterday. it was a nightmare. first attempt had 3 bulks in stage one. got gunned down by mactera in stage 2. died did it again and stage 3 was chaotic.
the no shields was terrible. but we did it.
royal skiff
@wraith shard drill and collect the eggs first, then start dorry
covert quiver
Yup
worn glade
Dotty just wanted to help, why you so mean to her 😦
kind bough
Still holding a grudge against dotty for parking on top of a mini mule leg last week
Took forever to find the damn thing
hot cargo
Yeah, my team figured out the hard way that they purposefully made doretta drill directly into the first egg on the last stage. Got raped
worn glade
My favorite part is when dotty touches tiny cactus and takes damage, you'd expect industrial drilldozer to be stronger than some puny plant.
hot cargo
Or when the cactus's set off the bomb plants and she takes even more damage
i don't want to make a reddit post for this. What grenade is better for Bullets of Mercy scout? IFG or cryo?
kind bough
considering BoM procs on both i'm pretty sure it's still down to personal preference
IFG is better damage potential but is harder to use and doesn't come with cryo perks
worn glade
imo it depends on whether you trust your team or yourself
kind bough
like safer revives or "AAAA MACTERA GERROFFOME"
hot cargo
I always saw IFG as a mob clearer where cryo is saved for priority like breeders.
kind bough
being able to delete breeders is also very nice since they just love camping the far side of huge caves
unless it's also cave leech cluster in which case omegalul
if you feel like minmaxing there are definitely missions cryo is "meh" on
blowing them on oppressors/dreads is a waste of time and resources
personally I don't like changing my loadout every mission so I just bungle along with cryo
hot cargo
It's just I was running BoM for the first time since getting it on this weeks EDD and took IFG. Stage two obliterated me with the maci plague AND two breeders.
agile patrol
jeez imagine leaving edd as gunner on first round
and then we still manage to complete it
royal skiff
Ouch
agile patrol
feels like a proper campaign with drill being last
worn glade
i had similar experience with edd last week. At first stage, Engi went down on the other side of the cave from the rest of the team, typed noobs and quit. We still completed all three stages, and i got my first ever edd done on the first try. Beginners luck i guess.
kind bough
my first EDD clear was last week too
I cleared through stage 2 a pretty good chunk of times but I always choke on stage 3
and stage 3 just gives a cosmetic so the amount I cannot be assed is very high
including a particularly painful EDD where we wiped 9m from extraction
I failed on stage 2 this week though so gonna have to try again
Hoverclock aint gonna drop itself
tough zodiac
Any tips or notes for this weeks EDD? I'll do it once I get home from work. Want to prep as much as I can
eager parcel
Drill to the first egg on stage 3 so you don't get a load of bugs at once
cedar summit
Does anyone know what this weeks DD drawbacks are
fringe kettle
pinned messages
wraith shard
is it considered in any way impressive that i soloed the regular deepdive without bosco?
kind bough
first stage is verticality hell so I hope you know how to get around fast
some of those aquarqs are in very uncomfortable places
wraith shard
are you talking about the elite? i'm talking about the regular.
gloomy herald
yeah elite is the vertical one
ashen ridge
just did stage one of elite while drunk
lost on 2 for the second time as people can't get the concept of staying in the circle.
viral tulip
Real glad I brought snowball for 2nd stage of the EDD. Really cut down on the mactera bullshit and made those naedocytes so much easier to deal with
bold prawn
1 snowball shot is 40 ammo right?
viral tulip
35 iirc
Really gotta aim those shots too - Immediately having to repressurize afterwards leaves you pretty vulnerable
But, it's worth it if you're able to take out a big clump of mactera spawn in one go
worn glade
i just dig 15 meter tunnel with a small side step at the end, wait for clown car of macterras get in, and either let engi kill them all with one BC shot, or use normal Cryo cannon fire to freeze them all at once. You don't really need snowball when you are freezing over a dozen of them at once in a tight space.
iirc opressors don't spawn on mactera warnings so no reason not to bunker
summer verge
alternatively galaxy brain suicide rush the mactera knowing when you die see you in hell will kill them all at no ammo cost
worn glade
I want c4 overclock that lets you drop and detonate it when downed 
summer verge
iron will and throw c4 at team mates so they can join you
worn glade
By the way does iron will make you invincible or simply prevents going down for the duration? I.e. if i kill something to get 5 hp from vampire, and then blow up c4 under my feet, will that take away 5 hp and make me go down after iron will runs out?
cosmic niche
invincible for the duration
Someone did a test the other week
If you gain health, you are still invulnerable
sacred fiber
one time use post-mortem ubercharge
stoic zealot
For all who have done deep dives, at what level/promotion should i consider dropping down?
plush ravine
Does the normal revive have that invincible buff also?
Deep dives are just hazard 3 and 3.5
Easy even for solo
Elite deep dives tho
Is 5 to 5.5
If you are used to play on hazard 4 on daily basis
Both aree pretty doable with the 3rd stage of EDD being pretty intense
stoic zealot
@plush ravine thank you! Might give it a go later. Just returned and had a few runs in hazard 3/4 without having to much of a challenge
worn glade
Basically if you can do haz 4 without sweating that means you can do EDD sweating
modest sapphire
I found the elite deep dive this week , just retarded. The thing just glitches you into walls left and right on stage 3.
I died more to glitches and bugs , because betsy smacks me into non existing voids. Then actually losing because off waves
180 degree to 90 doing a 360 degree betsy move
stoic zealot
Alright tonight is deep dive for me with randoms
atomic oak
fierce jacinth
Imagine losing stage 3 on EDD with 5% of health left on the stone
obsidian gorge
@atomic oak a failed project from DRG company, they tried sending Mollys (that thing you deposit minerals into, and that walks) with turrets, but a parasite corrupted them, turning them hostiles, now you can find them on missions (low chance), if you can defeat the parasites, Bet-C can help you, combat wise, for the rest of the mission
obsidian gorge
it can
steel thunder
it can
fierce jacinth
It can for sure
worn glade
I'm not sure it is a good idea to touch one on EDD tho. Although maybe i just suck at fighting them.
fierce jacinth
It really depends on how good n well your team communicates
steel thunder
it's probably not worth the time you spend getting it
unless you can nuke it with an alpha strike
the swarms start coming so quickly as the clock ticks
peak glacier
oh hey, game
go fuck yourself for giving me TWO BULKS in the last phase of the EDD
which already had shield disruption
and where neither player had any weapons strong against bulks
fuck you game
zenith marten
certainly was interesting to deal with all of that with 2 people
im surprised how easy it is for doretta to just have one health bar erased
pure laurel
i mean... i hope your not sitting on the dozer when a bulk spawns... thats just a way to get her deleted
worn glade
I think there is invul window after losing a part, we had a bulk detonate on top of her and only lost 1 part, other didn't even get scratched.
flint zephyr
Getting a Betsy is worth on the first and maybe second stage, but definitely wouldn't touch on the third stage on an elite dive if at all possible.
Depends on the nitra in reserve too.
royal skiff
the devs love to drop crazy situations in the EDDs that you can prep for the second time around
The need to adapt is a real test of the first run-through and I've def played pub matches where the team just completely floundered.
Like when a cavern swallows the black box, team builds a shack of a defence that'll fall to a strong wind, then someone starts it so "we don't waste too much time" and everyone is dead in a minute
small gate
I regret# wasting 3 hours trying to complete this EDD with randoms
But hey, we’ve managed to get to stage 3 twice without troubles as 4 bronzes while 3 lvl69420s could not “carry” me
chuckles were obtained
warped citrus
@peak glacier the EDD is absolute hell solo
peak glacier
even with two people it's hell
it's hell in general
I mean it's in magma core
it's literally hell
and figuratively
warped citrus
infact I genuinely think it is impossible to do solo fast enough and safe enough to go the 3rd stage without loosing 2 parts instantly before GETTING to the heartstone
kind bough
i'm just sick of breeders, man
kind bough
feels like a solid 75% of my wipes are because the game generated a big fuck-off room and slapped a breeder at the far end
so I end up having to rush to not get dunked by the naedocyte war of attrition and then get owned by <everything else, but in this case macteras>
warped citrus
ALSO CAN WE BLOODY PLEASE GET MACTERA PLAGUE BLACKLISTED FOR A FEW WEEKS LMFAO
kind bough
lmao
warped citrus
IT'S BEEN IN EVERY EDD WITH EXCEPTIONS TO 2 WEEKS AGO 6 TIMES IN A ROW OML
kind bough
mactera plague is doing its best to hold off cave leech cluster
next pebble
Lay off the caps man
kind bough
when it eventually falls then we will know true pain
small gate
Only one way to pass the true gamer trial
Look up constantly
Because no one looks up in FPSs
warped citrus
https://sergal.feen.us/mg2t6v.jpg https://sergal.feen.us/1ys9k7.jpg https://sergal.feen.us/7l6u1d.jpg
in basically the last 3 months only 3 EDDs DIDN'T have mactera plague
small gate
Also if I’m running Cryo driller (no overclocks for him atm), is there a point in taking subata over TCF- oriented plasma charger?
I’ve gotten really good with implosion mining but wasting them on Mactera feels off
warped citrus
@small gate once you get explosive reload, then it can out do the EPC for convenience and damage
however if you really want to stick to the tcf epc that gives flexibillity for mining obviously haha
kind bough
cryo really shores up the low dps of an epc mining setup, so your main disadvantage is that you're going from "not great at engaging long range targets" to "absolutely garbage at engaging long range targets"
menaces will, in fact, be a menace
small gate
That’s for the long run
However the immediate issue still stays
I kit out my Driller for utility in general, and considering that stage 1 is a geological rock and stone torture skyscraper and that stage 3 is escort, implosion mining becomes invaluable
But acid bug bulli me real hard 😦
kind bough
implosion mining is indeed stonks on escorts
warped citrus
I play extremely agressively with the cryo
small gate
Barbed drills go brrrrrr?
warped citrus
I use Ice storm with 2, 3, 1, 1, 2
small gate
Ooo
Now that’s not something you see every day
warped citrus
Then use the subata with explosive reload with, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2
pretty fun to use, also the dps is about 144 damage around for the cryo yet the pressure drop is more or less un noticable due to the reflow and never needing to baby sit your pressure meter when it hits 0
not to mention it DOES help keep you from unessasarly wasting a ton of ammo just keeping the button mashed down since with the amount of damage + the 60 area cold in a 4m radious every second, it basically will freeze big enemies and damage them a good amount and ice storm will kill off grunts and swarmer like enemies near instantly without the need for shatter
however due to that you have to remember to gtf in there and not play far away like you tend to normally do with the cryo haha
since that area cold is what makes the build viable to begin with
Also yes, 450 ammo is less than stock but you'd realistically never need to worry about it since by the time you run out of ammo you'd have a few resupplys on hand already and the effeciency of the dps built is way better than if you were to maximize ammo instead, but that point you're probs going to use shatter PTC basically and play from a distance
that build has basically made some EDDs go from slogs to actually a joke, specially if it is a dread mission haha
visual lake
we managed to break DD3 by popping 4 eggs simultaneously while doing BB .. hit the NPC spawn limit and stuff was despawning before it reached us
twin valve
this week's EDD is ridiculous
super challenging
drilldozor running through an egg was such a brilliant idea
visual lake
we pre drilled ahead and cleared eggs
and then did dozer after
you can see the egg rooms on the map
its a little cheese but we figured we needed all the help we could get
worn glade
There is no such thing as cheese when doing EDD
quasi galleon
aw hell, shoulda done that, we skirted by death like 8 times on stage 1 and 2, then ate dirt on the first egg on the EDD3. Really rough EDD this week.
Least the mactera explode and kill their buddies.
visual lake
yeah we were paranoid and pre drilled out the oil shale too
in the second egg room
was afraid of getting ambushed by multiple dets during the defend
warped citrus
I still really think mactera plague should be blacklisted for a few weeks Lol
to think in the last 3 months only 3 weeks the EDD DIDN'T have mactera plague
August 6th, September 3rd, and October 8th were not Mactera Plague
sturdy berry
This week's EDD was pretty fun
Definitely beneficial to pop the eggs and clear ahead a bit before starting the drill though
kind bough
now that i have every scout overclock i could ever want i don't need to care about EDD anymore
...is what i would say
but then gunner butted into my life and now I'm chasing Lead Storm
sturdy berry
I'd like to pick up lead storm, but I don't think I could put down carpet bomber long term
sturdy berry
Yeah I only got it like a week ago and I can't put it down
kind bough
it's not lost on me that neuro payload is basically a shittier carpet bomber
oh well, it'll drop eventually
In the meantime I'll get my jollies from abusing elephant rounds
sturdy berry
Do love me some elephant rounds