deep-dive-discussion

[lime hollow]

management doesn't wake up in the morning excited about your best interests. Get out there and duck and cover miner

you'll eat your acid spitter vegetables with barrage sprinkles and you'll like it

[sand juniper]

Who would win?
16 macteras, 8 brundles, 6 goo bombers and 10 acid spitters
vs.
a roof made of 5 engi plats

[spiral tapir]

Guys, I'm about to do my first deep dive but I don't have anyone to do it with

[eager atlas]

solo is doable since the game scales down with players (you also have bosco)

you can also join a random lobby

or you can also host yourself, and see who joins and go through

if you want people from here to play is prob best to ask in the #928582985559736360 channels for your platform

[vestal sapphire]

Normal deep dives are very easy, they dont even reach hazard 4

[lime hollow]

This weeks EDD is so fun, holy

escort with brood nexus spam, a bet-c and bulk detonators with stalkers on top is just 🤌

[raven carbon]

Rock and stone

We just did it together I remember your name

[lime hollow]

aaaye, thanks for scraping me off the rocks when laggy swarmers took out my kneecaps lmao

I'm absolutely going to try it again either on a closer team or solo to get a smoother ride

Also sorry for spooking Bet-C, I was looking for the jet boot crate

I accidentally took the wrong Gunner loadout this week but we made it. My loadout was LSLS and UMC Coilgun which isn't too far off what I wanted to try but if I was to go again I might heavily consider the Thunderhead with either Carpet Bomber or Neuro Payload. The crowds are absolutely massive on all stages and there's less pressure without a warning on the Caretaker. If anyone else is playing Gunner I cannot stress enough bring leadbursters. We mercifully had the Bulks come in pretty manageable positions but if one needs to go and it needs to go now, you're the guy for the job.

Otherwise very fun and challenging dive. If you're a certified Iron Will hater may God be with you

[raven carbon]

Our fate was almost sealed when scout started the dozer without waiting

Betc will be spooked at some point anyway

[raven carbon]

I think umc coilgun takes care of most of the weaknesses of lsls

But needs positioning for swarmers and there were a lot of those

[steady stream]

bulk det clapped dotty in the second stage of our EDD

miserable

[hearty ginkgo]

Leadbursters my beloved

[sand juniper]

Haha leadbursters go PRRPRRPRRPRRPRRPRR.

[raven carbon]

Bulk does not target drilldozer

You need to lure it away

[steady stream]

...I did not know that lol

thank you

[raven carbon]

If you're on the dozer then it will target you and damage the dozer in that process

[eager atlas]

do not leadburster if it's next to doretta though

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[primal nexus]

😨

[vague lantern]

i ended up with a rather skilled team and we were able to take down bet-c in about a minute thanks to me spamming point blank scorching tide at the charge suckers

[alpine trail]

Nice

[old widget]

we got six bulks on that EDD

five on stage 2, one on stage 3...I didn't even know bulks could spawn on IS objective maps

two of the stage 2 bulk spawns were doubles

good thing our gunny had a pocket full of leadbursters and great shield timing

[sand juniper]

It's been 10 days and I still think about this message everyday.

[teal river]

its never about the individual kills

its about the team

[cyan birch]

Killing an opressor/bulk detonator counts as much as a swarmer, it's not about the number of kills, it's about the impact you made in the game

[eager atlas]

engie's kit is so good at farming kills too, it's kind of expected

[teal river]

There's an argument to be made for exp to be determined from enemies on a point basis, that swarms give a very small amount of exp and stuff like Opressors a very large amount

[cold kindle]

Alright miners,time to try solo this EDD.It looks pretty hard ngl.

Max length deep scan + escort duty + sabo

...And i hear nemmy.Great start!

[mellow cradle]

also if the game counted total damage dealt, instead of kills, gunner would probably be much higher than engi

[burnt sandal]

from my experience with MOTD, engi usually ends up with the most damage but it varies from loadout to loadoud (and obviously from what happens in the mission and the skill of individual players).
It's overall pretty close in damage though.

Fat Boy is one of those exceptions, as it allows engi to deal a stupidly high amount of damage

[cold kindle]

Jet boots on stages 2 and 3...And drillevator on stage 1...I'll be jet boots addicted after finishing this EDD

[weary walrus]

If ammo levels carry across stages so should boots. Management, please

[cold kindle]

That edd was long as heck but doable

[forest tendon]

Definitely longer than last week. I think my group got a 41 minute time last week on the EDD but this week we got like an hour and 2 minutes

[forest tendon]

LOK-1, Breach cutter, defender system and shredder grenades

everything just dies

[wraith wharf]

power of automation baby

engi can just go around throwing shredders, place turrets and will still end up with most kills

[void quiver]

I am pretty sure that that glitch can only be done in pc

[cold kindle]

Stage 1 was rough (I LOVE BEING COVERED IN ALIEN GOO!),but alright
Stage 2 was hardest one cuz menace with regenerative on escort duty is biggest asshole.He just depleted 1 health bar of dotty in no time. Stationaries placement was annoying as heck. I'm so glad that bet-c placement didn't instantly triggered her,i just finished everything without triggering her
Stage 3 was simple. Power station placement was not so complicated + nitra from previous stages. Yeah i didn't bring smth like hyperpropellant but shotgun go pew pew.

Conlusion: finally interesting edd

[vague lantern]

i agree that stage 2 was the hardest

a betc on hazard 5 can either be a pushover or a run ender depending on how things go, especially rough with doretta in the room

and regenerating menaces are, well, a menace

thankfully some of them were dumb enough to appear on the ground and i walked up to them with scorching tide

[void quiver]

Are EDD's randomised every week or do the devs pick them cause there is no way that almost every EDD has duck and cover

[cold kindle]

Dives are randomized

But god damn it

It feels like chance of duck and cover appearing are significantly increased

Or devs trolling us and choosing d&c on purpose

(i doubt cuz they have rogue core work in progress)

(they're too busy)

[void quiver]

I barely see other mutators other than duck and cover or mactera plague

[tawdry geode]

I personally would say that EDD was quite fair

[old widget]

the data does seem to support a bit of D&C bias

`
S05 Warning Count - DD/EDD
(as of 2025-01-20)

Cave Leech Cluster 5
Exploder Infestation 10
Haunted Cave 4
Lethal Enemies 9
Low Oxygen 9
Mactera Plague 11
Parasites 9
Regenerative Bugs 10
Shield Disruption 13
Elite Threat 9
Swarmageddon 11
Rival Presence 7
Duck and Cover 31 (!)
Ebonite Outbreak 6

Stages with Warnings 144
Stages without Warnings 48`

Source (see pins):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cvRHDfmBKK8Ggmoga6A3PrlyBaunZpbQhZuy987gGKk/edit

[tawdry geode]

like it was a bit hard but that's what I would expect from an EDD

but I'm biased as I play haz 5+ regularly so I enjoy harder content

[old widget]

EDD was decent, yeah. cavegen was pretty friendly, nitra was plentiful, was just rough to combine the three longest primary objectives into one EDD

[tawdry geode]

ye nitra was more than plenty

imagine if it was also a nitra starved EDD 🙂

[tawdry geode]

ye cavegen was also quite good not much verticality

[old widget]

yeah the hidden warning: low nitra EDDs are some of the most interesting for sure

[tawdry geode]

another hidden warning: random greenbeards but that's a welcome surprise

as long as they don't double dip unnecessarily

[old widget]

ours had a lovable goof of a greenbeard host carried by three vets, it was a hoot

they were super psyched to clear their first EDD and everybody played well as a team, peak DRG

[tawdry geode]

I played with 2 friends (both beginners) and a random

it was an interesting experience lol

was playing driller with scorching tide

[old widget]

what was your build? I still need to get around to trying that outside of messing around

[tawdry geode]

but I like used scorching tide like once during the entire EDD against nemesis in stage 1

umm I believe scorching tide with 22322

and wavecooker with mega power supply 31113?

[tawdry geode]

honestly should've just ran fuel stream diffuser if I knew I wouldn't use the scorching at all lol

but it's good to have for emergencies I guess

so just having the option is nice

in case it's needed 🙂

[old widget]

Filed a bug on the skewed statistical distribution of duck and cover warnings in DD/EDD. Might be working as intended but it seems a bit iffy.

https://app.betahub.io/projects/pr-5632787018/issues/258

[tawdry geode]

but duck and cover is fun 🙂

if only it's possible to get double warning stages on EDD

duck and cover + haunted caves or shield disruption 😈

[mellow cradle]

well yeah

but I am kinda tired of picking the same loadouts, because there is a duck and cover

[old widget]

yeah, for me it's more about variety

[tawdry geode]

hmm ye that's kinda understandable

ye would love to have another haunted cave EDD

[old widget]

I also love me some haunted cave. interesting that the stats show it has a very low rate of appearance, one of the lowest frequency warnings across all seasons

[tawdry geode]

ye I've seen it once

[tawdry geode]

I recall it was in sandblasted corridors in a point extraction in stage 3?

I just remember it was around when I first started playing so it was quite chaotic for me

sigh how the heck do you do search but filter to a specific chat on discord now

ah with in

yep it was this one

ye this was like week 2 of me playing

😂

cause I started around aug 17, 2024?

[old widget]

oh man, yeah a dread fight + haunted cave is always a hoot

[tawdry geode]

the minehead was also in a small pit

so getting out of it was harder lol

[vague lantern]

i only ever run scorching tide for caretakers so that i can actually deal dps to the eye and instantly ignite tentacles and patrol bots in my way

the guaranteed nemesis and betc gave me extra value

[vague lantern]

31 duck and covers? yeah lets see management try to talk their way out of this one.

[exotic belfry]

It has a lot of missions it can’t spawn with, so that makes sense

[old widget]

Huh. Good point.

[full flume]

what about the 4 bulk detonators?

[eager atlas]

bulks in pool are seeded, but spawns aren't

you might get 0, or 99, rng is one hell of a thing

[full flume]

ooh

[cold kindle]

I'm so glad that i encountered 0 detonators. Rng was on my side

[tacit jungle]

got two bulks on the doretta stage, pretty relaxing othewise

absolutely drowned in nitra

[eager atlas]

saves are a feature for sure

[bronze cave]

Basically an exploit though. Using/abusing the games mechanics to get a desired reward

[lime hollow]

Do what brings you joy in your videogame

[upbeat blade]

yay im not criminal!

i wouldnt survive the sentence

[bronze cave]

Social shaming

[cold kindle]

[cold kindle]

I wonder if nitra is edible

80 nitra = 2 full health bars and 2 full ammo bars

Via resupply

Does that mean that nitra can be used to heal?

Then why dwarves aren't trying to eat nitra?

Are they stupid?

[clear zephyr]

We trade nitra to the boss man for a resupply

The nitra itself doesn't become the resupply

And yes dwarves are stupid

[candid comet]

Ah yes, just the dwarves are eating the nitra

[vague lantern]

supposedly nitra is the main ingredient in the creation of most munitions, similar to how nitre, or pottassium nitrate, is used irl for gunpowder

but i guess management is gracious enough to send a med pack down with it

or a sandwich

honestly it's probably just sandwiches

as for how a gunpowder adjacent mineral accounts for replenishing force fields ziplines and gasoline, don't question it it's a video game 🙂

[jade spade]

I think i just realized you only get 1 overclock per deep dive

[worn tendon]

You get a blank too

[jade spade]

yeah

im looking for gunner overclocks

I have a bunch of sout ones

elite deep dive is crazy

[digital halo]

i calculated how much you can get for overclocks

in a week if you do all the deepdives the core hunt quest you can get 6 weapon overclocks (machine event included)

if you promote 2 times you get an extra 4

[jade spade]

I havent found like any machine events

maybe like 1

[stone sierra]

how bad is the edd this week

[open ginkgo]

so deep dives are NOT what you do if you want to complete your battle pass?

it felt like I got almost nothing from the deep dive for all that effort but maybe I'm just silly

or maybe I did it wrong somehow

[burnt sandal]

nope

it's the worst way to go about it

[open ginkgo]

in turn you get matrix cores

[lime hollow]

Yeah, dives are just good for loot unfortunately. Probably for the best though. I'd get very burnt out if deep dives were the best way to get progression on a season

[raven carbon]

The best way to do that is the season terminal assignments

[graceful rock]

what do you think the new deep dive will be

[raven carbon]

Something with duck and cover

[graceful rock]

impossible

[raven carbon]

1 blank, 1 overclock, 1 cosmetic is a pretty good haul

Deep dives get less rewarding in late game

Now I just get 2 blanks and 1 mineral container

And I have more blanks than I could ever use

So beyond a point dives are just for fun the rewards even for xp and credits are less compared to three separate missions

[graceful rock]

i do deep dives for the challenge mostly

and I think its cool that the whole community discusses it and gets a new one every week

keeps the community active

[cunning zinc]

Elite deep dive stage 1. Where is the black box?

[mellow cradle]

one of the higher segments of the cave

[cunning zinc]

Greatly appreciated

[open ginkgo]

what are blanks for?

[raven carbon]

Agreed that is the fun part beyond the rewards

[raven carbon]

Infusing in machine events

You require at least 1 promotion on any class to access a key that allows unlocking machine events

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[cold kindle]

I bet next deep dive set will contain 4 duck and covers

2 for dd and 2 for edd

And smth disgusting for edd

Mactera plague maybe

Or haunted cave

[tawdry geode]

let's hope we have some haunted caves

those were fun

[celest laurel]

haunted cave + low O2

idk if it's possible tho

[silent willow]

this EDD is fucking my ass

jesus

2 losses on record

prolly the hardest one I've done

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[lime hollow]

C'mon scanners, lets see some double Duck and Cover

maybe a low O2 10 crystal point extraction if we ask extra nice

[alpine trail]

Haunted Elimination 5.5er would be cool

[ebon oak]

Do the devs curate deep dives or does it get generated by the game

[lime hollow]

they are randomly generated seeds every week afaik

[raven carbon]

If you do it right the ghost is the best driller

Multiple tunnels between every cave

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[drifting tinsel]

PLEASE dont be duck and cover

[zenith ember]

Give 2x d&c and its another skip week

[sand juniper]

D&C together with Mactera Plague, calling it now.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[forest tendon]

Oh boy!

Does anyone have the information?

[drifting tinsel]

Weekly Deep Dives information for 2025 January 23 to 2025 January 30 (Week 279)
Deep Dives will reset <t:1738234800:f>

DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Peeled Rising
Stage 1: 2 Dreadnoughts (Classic & Twins) + 2 Mini-M.U.L.E.s | No Mutator
Stage 2: 7 Aquarqs + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 3 Resonance Crystals & Drillevator + Twins | Rich Atmosphere Ebonite Outbreak

ELITE DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Endless Shelter
Stage 1: 3 Resonance Crystals & Drillevator + Black Box | Rich Atmosphere Ebonite Outbreak
Stage 2: On-Site Refining + 150 Morkite | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + Black Box | Duck and Cover

[zenith ember]

Its... Not bad?

[potent comet]

ebonite + drillevator = bad

[zenith ember]

D&c again but its morkite ig

[drifting tinsel]

we FINALLY got some ebonite outbreak 😭

[zenith ember]

Ebonite warnings dont do anything lol

Time to find a pub ig

[mighty raptor]

Rich Atmosphere on Drillavator, the bugs are gonna catch up to Drill earlier

And Ebonites too

[celest laurel]

I haven't done any deep scan + ebonite outbreak, do you get enough canisters in the drillevator section?

[mellow cradle]

rich atmosphere doesn't affect enemies

[mighty raptor]

I thought it does?

[drifting tinsel]

it doesn't! https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Mutators#Rich_Atmosphere

[mellow cradle]

the in game description is incorrect

[mighty raptor]

Ok stage 1 is a breeze then

[exotic belfry]

Its supposed to, but for some reason doesn't, and they never fixed it lol

[mighty raptor]

If enemy moves faster it may be more interesting

[exotic belfry]

Yeah, would make the whole mission faster, rather then just making it really easy

[drifting tinsel]

if im on a haz 5+ rich atmosphere mission and i see an exploder sprinting at full speed towards me, i WILL cry

too bad it doesn't affect the drillevator's speed :P deep rock didnt invest enough into equipment

[lime hollow]

(We're) Rich Atmosphere bug speed fix and Lithophage Outbreak on deep dives are my current wishlist items if I'm real

Now that I don't have to constantly beat Rockpox off with a stick it's kind of nice to see a contagion spike every now and then

[drifting tinsel]

at some point in season 5 experimental, you were able to get lithophage outbreak on DDs (no idea what wires had to be crossed but it was completely accidental), but it also counted as a tertiary objective. i think the litho spikes being a mandatory objective is the only thing preventing it from being in dives in the first place :|

[lime hollow]

I hope it gets fixed eventually. Rockpox is really fun in smaller doses. I love how it mixes up the usual weak points on bugs

Now that I'm not constantly grinding infected caves I can truly see that GSG cooked with it

I would also like to see a lithophage stalker at some point just because that's evil

[zenith ember]

imagine elite grabber speed, but exploders

[steady stream]

Duck me like a cover

Happy to see cave leech cluster, its a comedic modifier

[ebon oak]

Oh god someone was memeing before reset that it was gonna be low oxygen aqarks

[drifting tinsel]

the gift of prophecy

[cold kindle]

AHAHAHHAHA YES!

ANOTHER DUCK AND COVEH!

And finally

Second warning added in season 5

Let's bloody go

We saw it EIGHT times in deep dives!

And we saw duck and coveh TWENTY TWO times in deep dives!

Fair and balanced,isn't it?

[raven carbon]

You got 7 aquarq low O2

Close

[mellow cradle]

it's the regular DD though

[cold kindle]

Tbh regular dd is never going to be hard

Cuz maximum 2 warnings

And haz 3-3,5

Even if system that creates deep dives makes smth disgusting like

Let's say haunted cave 10 aquarqs

[raven carbon]

The original message did not say edd

[mellow cradle]

I know
my comment simply meant that the normal DD is not an issue, no matter what happens

[sand juniper]

Neither is the EDD really. I still don't feel any difference between Haz 5.5 and Haz 5.

[buoyant gulch]

no... No... NO NOOOO

not duck n cover on the last stage of edd

thats gonna suuuucckkkk

[buoyant gulch]

unless we got, like... escort duckncover with eggs on the last stage then yea always pretty possible

[lost oar]

I played EDD and I should say it's not that bad actually, it's very chill

[buoyant gulch]

depends on the team, the beer, and some rng

[sharp cradle]

Duck and Cover back again

[cedar hamlet]

@near python

[lost oar]

as always

[spare minnow]

Gang this week's standard deep dive stage 2 looks like it sucks

[marble turtle]

fr man

[runic sequoia]

where the hell is the aquarq???

please anybody

we spent an hour already lookin for it

[subtle basin]

how bad is the second stage

i just saw PE+morkite with low o2 and already know its pain

[runic sequoia]

its chill, but you are not able to find the last aquarq

we just abandoned it after a hour of finding the last one, which was nowhere to be found

[burnt sandal]

@grave jacinth wanna try it tonight?

[subtle basin]

i found 2 over the needed amount

[runic sequoia]

?????????? 😂 😭

[steady stream]

lol

[subtle basin]

#modded-gallery message the cave we're in wasnt easily available but it had 3 aquarks in it

i assume thats the missing one + 2 over

[safe leaf]

This EDD sounds like a job for Bullet Hell gunner

Then us engies would probably be best off with shard diffractors and LOK-1's

[grave jacinth]

i'm down

[burnt sandal]

let's go

I'll let you know when I'm ready to rumble

[cloud tide]

“Oh boy whats this weeks deep dives!”

checks channel

“Oh boy more duck and cover!”

[strong gust]

I know this question is asked constantly in this channel but, what is this week's deep dive ?

Normal one tho

[mellow cradle]

check pins

[strong gust]

Thx

[elfin yacht]

Elite Deep Dive at the third phase is not funny.

I want to laugh, but it's not funny.

[idle frigate]

okay why does every week have duck and cover

[next pebble]

because we love duck and cover

[vocal bronze]

theres so many bugs that can hit as at a ranged distance... looks like we'll have to dive deep and duck behind cover...

[spare minnow]

Are you able to do the deep dive 3 times, or are you only able to do it once and you can only get 3 cores per deep dive per week?

IK that it gives you 3 by diving once, completing 3 levels

I want to know before going back in to that ||low oxygen aquarq|| level

[old widget]

You can do dives as many times as you want, but you only get the matrix core reward the first time you complete a given stage in a given week.

So naw, you can’t just keep running dives in the same week to rack up cores

[chilly shore]

Out of all the season 5 dives so far, there have been 149 stages containing warnings. 32 of those were duck and cover which is 21.5%, more than a fifth. There are 14 different eligible warnings for dives. The next most common season 5 warning is Shield Disruption with 13 cases (8.7%).

Duck and Cover has been 3 times as common as the average warning in dives, and is 2 and a half times more common than any other single warning. The true chance of a warning being Duck and Cover is probably somewhere between 15% and 29% (95% confidence interval).

*This is not the same as the chance of Duck and Cover being in a particular dive because not all stages have warnings, and each dive may have more than one warning.

[raven carbon]

So the prevalence of duck and cover is statistically possible

But also we have much more than average

Might be that devs have added some bias for a new season warning?

[chilly shore]

It is pretty much certain that warnings are biased toward duck and cover. If the true chance of duck and cover was equal to shield disruption (let's use the 8.7% proportion of observed shield disruptions in s5), the chance of getting 32 of them is about 0.0000016.

[lime hollow]

Fun EDD this week. First two stages are pretty easy to walk in. Final stage I could see going horrifically wrong if you don't pick good spots to hold out.

[chilly shore]

A more typical warning prevalence is like Exploder Infestation or Regenerative Bugs which have each been observed 10 times out of 149. If Duck and Cover had that kind of frequency, there would be a 0.0000000041 chance of seeing as many as we have.

[raven carbon]

Ah ok by true chance you weren't randomising

My bad I misunderstood that line

[raven carbon]

Welp the devs modified sabotage appearance in DDs so I think at some point duck and cover should be normalised

[chilly shore]

surely........

[raven carbon]

Mactera plague and duck and cover are really similar as well

In terms of playstyle

So it feels even more repeated

[chilly shore]

i find them reasonably different
mactera plague is countered by stuff like snowball, cryonades, roll control, stun c4, tcf, stun pgl, hellfire
duck and cover is countered by sticky flames/sticky ice, vir, NTP
though they do have some stuff like leadbursters and bunkers in common

[somber veldt]

yo ima host an deep dive any1 wan join

[raven carbon]

That's one way to look at it

I see it as flying shits that keep trying to kill me from above

[sand juniper]

January 25th, 2025
people are still somehow in doubt that dives and possibly weekly assignments are to some degree manually picked

Disclaimer: I don't think that's a problem.

[burnt sandal]

it's not like the devs have said about a thousand times that it's random

[sand juniper]

The map generation is random for sure.

[burnt sandal]

everything is

[sand juniper]

Okay.

[mellow cradle]

people (in the know) don't think duck and cover is picked manually
it's just speculated there is some error in the warning selection algorithm

[burnt sandal]

that's much more likely indeed

[raven carbon]

That wasn't the conclusion of the discussion above

It was doubt about the randomness specifically for duck and cover

[raven carbon]

Because it doesn't appear to be from the calculation here

[ebon oak]

There can still be rng with different weighting

[raven carbon]

Yes that's what the conclusion was

Sabotage is also very less frequent

[ebon oak]

My bad if someone said that already

Just woke up not trying to read a novel but yeah kinda like how slayer works on osrs

Is what i imagine

[raven carbon]

Osrs?

[ebon oak]

Old school rune scape x)

[raven carbon]

Oh ok

[ebon oak]

Basically a big list of rng selected tasks with weighting

[burnt sandal]

it got tuned down because people were complaining about it showing up too much

it's also the mission with the highest failure rate overall so it's no surprises

[raven carbon]

Yes that's why I'm saying deep dives are not uniformly random there's some bias

Intentional or otherwise

Duck and cover

[burnt sandal]

yeah but we don't have the numbers on those anyway, all we got are assumptions

we don't know for sure if Duck & Cover got extra weight in this

[raven carbon]

The sample of dives since s5 launch are a good indicator and large enough by now

[burnt sandal]

it's a very small sample size still

[ebon oak]

149 rolls seems like a decent sample

At least to show outliers anyway

Not gonna get perfect numbers out of that but still

[chilly shore]

It is a large enough size to conclude that duck and cover is more common than any single season 2-season 4 warning with p=7e-4 which is quite statistically significant

according to what i remember from high school stats, a small sample size is usually less than 30 total samples
we have 149 total samples
wikipedia also agrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-proportion_Z-test

[cold kindle]

Wait THE HELL

My god

Okay it's possible

Chances are not 0%

But come on

Devs definitely increased chance of duck and cover

Or they did that on accident

Instead of let's say

Uhh

Instead of 1/15 they added zero and we got 10/15 chance

Well we have to suffer one more year until season 6 appears and d&c got fixed!

[chilly shore]

maybe theyll tweak it with a patch

(copium)

[cold kindle]

Btw

Did devs said that industrial sabotage appearance was increased during s2 (iirc s2 was season where sabo was added in dives) or it's just theories?

[burnt sandal]

they decreased it during S2

[cold kindle]

Also

Any old players here?

Did we got rival presence appocalypse in deep dives during s2?

[burnt sandal]

IIRc the warning wasn't in DD during S2

[cold kindle]

My bad

During S3

[burnt sandal]

then no, not really

not that I remember at least

I do remember one EDD in fungus bogs with rival presence on stage 1 that was very spicy

[scarlet lark]

Why is an aquark missing in pt2 of normal deep dive

[burnt sandal]

you missed a corridor

[old widget]

There’s a bug out there already on the D&C frequency in S05 deep dives, feel free to add thoughts/statistical analysis:
https://app.betahub.io/projects/pr-5632787018/issues/258

[heavy wind]

is there anyone playing the deep dive now

[raven carbon]

@chilly shore had made a post yesterday with some statistics

[iron cedar]

wheres the last aquarqs in the dd

2nd stagew

i cant find it

[burnt sandal]

gimme a bit and I'll find it

[iron cedar]

thanks

[burnt sandal]

need to do the DD real quick

[lyric harbor]

were is the aquargs on second map

i only fid 5

[burnt sandal]

#deep-dive-speedrunning message
check this

[lyric harbor]

got it tq

stupid mission

[frail sigil]

It was rough lol.

[lyric harbor]

i rather play 5++ drilldozer mission

[formal harbor]

Thinking about doing my first Deep Dive solo. Is there anything I should prepare myself for before hopping in?

[sand juniper]

Set your Bosco build for max revives, other than that you'll be fine.

[clear slate]

third stage EDD, JFC

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[fleet needle]

i did them i did them mission control are you proud of me

[full flume]

i just did my first solo EDD!

[cold kindle]

Congratulations,miner!

[full flume]

thanks!

i’m curious

what was the hardest EDD yall remember?

[cold kindle]

Rival presence 10 aquarqs 2nd stage sandblasted corridors

Secondary was dreadnought

3rd stage was salvage (3x mules) morkite and elite threat

1st was on-site refining swarmageddon (iirc) with DISGUSTING pumpjacks placement

That was 1st deep dive i didn't completed cuz skill issue

I was skipping deep dives earlier cuz i was busy but that deep dive

That was nightmare

For me.I was greenbeard

Smth like level 80? iirc

I didn't got all ocs and i was kinda unskilled

I think i could complete this edd now cuz i got slightly better at the game and got powerful ocs as well as builds.

[full flume]

oh my goodness

sounds terrible

[mellow cradle]

oh hey, I remember that one

[stable slate]

so was the EDD (at least last stage) hard even for y'all?

this was my first time doing the EDD ever, and each one me and my friends went down like 15 times, but we [BARELY] made it

[full flume]

the second stage was hard cause i got ambushed my 50+ glyphid grunts and almost lost the run

the third stage, i just bunkered with the black box and built bunkers everything there was a swarm, i was also an engie and the shredder drones def saved the day

[lyric harbor]

the hardest ive played is ghost cave with pipeline mission, restarted 5 times, played with 2 different team (the first team gave up)

we figured that someone need to keep an eye on the ghost and become easier

still, an immortal instantkill machine is constantly on one of ur ass when u try to fix the pipe

[molten harbor]

First 2 stages were smooth like honey, last stage our scout left, leaving me with only my engi but he made a platform roof for the black box so that was easy. Whenever a swarm spawned we started making a bunker at the closest wall because we had the beer that reduces the hits needed to break basic terrain so it was stressful but cheese always wins. We both used iron will at the same time so it almost ended in disaster but fairly smooth especially considering we did trio and last stage duo with a language barrier

[lyric harbor]

and the ai is weird he doesnt target the scout (me) soemtime when i go near them and go for others instead

[sand juniper]

Damn I remember this one. Fighting the dread around the minehead and the sand storms was terrible.

[chilly shore]

oh yeah i also remember a sand rivals aquarq dread stage somewhere, i think we had a nemesis too
i remember it being a little spicy but maybe i just got lucky because it didnt seem that bad
i wouldnt have remembered without those details

[buoyant crescent]

...genuinely cant remember if ive done this week's edd

someone remind me what the stages are

[buoyant crescent]

stage 1: onsite with a well like 200m in the air with no great terrain surrounding it and very little nitra, stage 2: 10 aquarq rival PE with like 4 spitballers and 2 barragers. no idea what stage 3 is, I tried it 3 times and never got past stage 2

[fleet needle]

stage 1: do things
stage 2: complete the objective
stage 3: finish the run

hope this helps

[buoyant crescent]

[neon slate]

Deep dives are longer than normal missions, but how much longer, if I start a deep dive is it gonna take me and hour and 30 to complete it or what

[mellow cradle]

depends between dive to dive

me and my buddies completed this week's DD in like 30-ish minutes, and the EDD in sub 45

at most, it's going to take you like an hour with some minutes to complete one, if the objectives are lengthy

[neon slate]

Awesome thanks for the info

[astral halo]

I always set aside an hour for either deep dive just in case it takes a little longer than usual

[safe perch]

Ok, so Elite Deep Dive pt 3 did not go well for me and my friend. basically bunkered down for the black box, built it as a swarm hit and just hit underground from about a yes amount of Acid Spitters making the walls move. Drilled to the next cave, found the infector room with a vartok. and then the twins spawned.

but at least we got our weapon overclocks

There is nothing of our corpses to have been left behind at least.

[spare minnow]

What does it mean when a deep dive is greyed out and I can't join? It's in process?

[teal river]

Fragile Gods.
Resonance (Duck and Cover)
Eggs (Exploder Infestation)
Elim (Mactera Plague)

The second stage killed so so many people. It opens up into a massive room with a spitballer and barrage in absolutely awful positions, a vartok and a BET-C that is way too close to not trigger when trying to kill the others. It was my first EDD

Congrats on your solo!

[mental rampart]

Yes. You can't join in progress deep dives

Only exception is if you somehow crash during a deep dive, you can rejoin the deep dive off of the host's steam profile

[spare minnow]

So why does it even show up if I can't join?

[weary walrus]

To give you a sense of how populated the servers are that you have selected.

[mental rampart]

If there's 5 EDDs ongoing, but no active regular Deep Dives, you have a good idea of which lobby would fill up faster if you host

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[brittle mantle]

I finished my first deep dive with a friend this week😁

[buoyant gulch]

good

[rain obsidian]

This week's EDD is pretty easy isn't it?

[mellow cradle]

rather yes

[rain obsidian]

Ah well, still need more cores 🙂

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[cold kindle]

New dives available

Let's gooooo

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[cold kindle]

Edd stage 1 looks alright

4 eggs 2 crystals swarmageddon

[turbid coral]

oooo

[cold kindle]

DD stage 1 is sabo + 150 morkite

Smile)

[turbid coral]

sigh

at least its not edd

[cold kindle]

Well we have 4 more stages

I hope there will be duck and cover

[turbid coral]

true

[cold kindle]

THIS IS MY FAVORITE WARNING PLS

[turbid coral]

sammeee

[drifting tinsel]

Weekly Deep Dives information for 2025 January 30 to 2025 February 06 (Week 280)
Deep Dives will reset <t:1738839600:f>

DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Bleak Summit
Stage 1: Industrial Sabotage + 150 Morkite | No Mutator
Stage 2: 200 Morkite + Liquid Morkite Well | Ebonite Outbreak
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + Classic | Rich Atmosphere Duck and Cover

ELITE DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: Infernal Base
Stage 1: 4 Eggs + 2 Resonance Crystals | Swarmageddon
Stage 2: 3 Resonance Crystals & Drillevator + Black Box | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + 150 Morkite | Parasites

[ivory marten]

YOU HAD TO FUCKING JINX IT.

[drifting tinsel]

sorry everyone

[ivory marten]

I am going to beat you with a hammer.

Not you, Vio.

cj.

[cold kindle]

💀

[celest laurel]

EDD seems fine

[cold kindle]

Hollow bough...Yuk.

[turbid coral]

omgg

[cold kindle]

And glacial strata

Disgusting biomes

[turbid coral]

eewwwwww

[cold kindle]

Warnings is alright

[turbid coral]

awww man

[ivory marten]

I don't mind the Strata.

[turbid coral]

edd looks fun

[cold kindle]

I hate strata cuz naedocytes and cold winds

[ivory marten]

No Twins either. Thank God.

[turbid coral]

yayyyyyyy

[forest tendon]

💀

that Elite Deep Dive HURTS

[cold kindle]

Crowd control builds come in play

Swarmers + parasites

[safe leaf]

Cave Leech Cluster in EDD pubs will be spicy

[cold kindle]

THE TENTACLE GOT ME!

I still remember edd stage 3 salvage with CLC warning

That was mad funny.30+ leeches

[drifting tinsel]

the one in sandblasted??? bro that one was so fucked

[cold kindle]

Yeah in sandblasted corridors

[dense nebula]

Happy duck and cover again I guess

[fresh robin]

Oh damn

This deep dive looks easy

Time to go, Carpet Bomber

[knotty elm]

I am a returning player who mained cryo driller.

Is it good this deep dive ?

Also any green beards want to help me to welcome me back since season 2 it’s been.

[mellow cradle]

one stage has industrial sabotage, and another stage has duck and cover

so cryo might struggle a bit, on the sabotage at least

[knotty elm]

Fudge. What about sticky fire ?

I just have a bunch of season 1 builds

[mellow cradle]

you can check the deep dive stages in pins here btw

[knotty elm]

I wouldn’t know how to understand it or read any clues into it since it had been so long since I last played

[mellow cradle]

I guess that's true

this deep dive has 2 mutators which just got added in season 5 as well

[knotty elm]

How is cryo in general. I usually run the aoe freeze around me and melee them all dead xD or shatter. Not the talent that makes them auto shatter

[knotty elm]

My god I rage quit on season 2. What have they cooked up over the years

When the game got too hard to get overclocks I stopped playing the game lmfao

[mellow cradle]

cold radiance is very good to use
and cryo cannon got a very good overclock recently
but that's a conversation for #drg-chat

but yeah, I probably wouldn't run cryo on this deep dive

[safe leaf]

Regular Deep Dive I'd expect Fuel Stream Diffuser or Scorching Tide work best
I'd grab 22331 build for either even if sticky flame reliant ones are considered meta
Alternatively AG mixture sludge pump

For Elite Deep Dive I'd expect cryo cannon to work fine, but so would flamethrower, especially on sticky flame

I'd be more afraid of bringing sludge pump between swarmageddon and parasites

[chilly shore]

nah 22221 fsd works perfectly fine even in 5+ sabotage, 22331 is ammo paranoia and worse than a sticky build against spitters in stage 3 duck and cover. You could honestly be just fine with ice spear or ice storm or vim or sludge blast. with cryo or sludge you may want cooker as a secondary for stage 3, gamma contamination is especially convenient against spitters if you have it

[vague lantern]

cryo would probably be fine in the edd

[safe leaf]

Actually, can cave leech grab heat radiating or cold radiating driller?

[burnt sandal]

from experience they freeze/start burning before grabbing you

they'll grab you while burning but die shortly after

[safe leaf]

Sounds useful for CLC in stage 2 then

In pubs at least

[worn tendon]

This weeks deep dive cool or nah?

[brittle mantle]

Last week deep dive was pretty easy

The fungus bog one

Or was that just me

[teal idol]

It's glacial strata so I guess so

🥁

[tepid hamlet]

[weary walrus]

[ancient lily]

Wow only one duck and cover this week, that's a miracle

[mental rampart]

EDD this week wasn't too bad

I got like 1.1k kills as Engie by the end

[celest laurel]

how is the aquarqs positioning in stage 3? I wanna do it solo engi but idk if it will be a pain if there are a lot in the roof

well nvm I'm stupid I forgot I can use bosco lol

[rain stag]

good luck

[mental rampart]

A lot of the aqarqs are in a side cave

but there weren't any in the roof that I saw

[celest laurel]

oh nice then

[sick coyote]

Theres a comically large a hidden drop in the second mission on the deep dive towards the end of the cave. Heads up.

[cloud tide]

COME ON

MORE DUCK AND COVER?!

[lofty valley]

I feel like it's an essential part of any deep dive at this point

Like it wouldn't feel like a deep dive if there wasn't a duck and cover inside there

[sand juniper]

Did both dives this morning before work.

Another heads up: on the DD stage 2, all of the morkite you need is in the same room as the morkite well.
On EDD stage 2, the black box is very close to the spawn room.

[polar raven]

3 duck and cover EDD next week to make up for it

[lime hollow]

Super short EDD this week, always love the Hollow Bough

played Engie, brought shredders, Stunner Warthog and HVC Breach Cutter. No complaints but holy cow did I go through grenades and turret ammo like nobodies business. Keep your Scouts above platforms gang, it's an ammo-hungry dive for sure

If I had to make a change to make my effort a little more productive to the team, Micro Conductor Stubby would go crazy on this dive

EM discharge too

[blissful citrus]

Do Deep Dives all take occur on the same seed, I know you get the same objectives and modifiers across attempts, but do you get the same cave generation? Got fucked up on this weeks Deep Dive by a Nemesis, and don’t want to deal with that again.

[zenith coral]

Yes i think

[wraith shard]

yes

[cold kindle]

Dives are almost identical.Almost.Stationaries scales depends on players count,some spawns might be randomized

Bet-c,for instance,can spawn here,for other player it can spawn here

[ancient lily]

We should actually riot aboard the spacerig if they did that

[fresh robin]

Somehow this EDD our engi left early so I had to carry both Scout and Driller as Gunner
Ended up with 1k kills this EDD, my back hurts carrying the three person team lol

[golden radish]

What's about nitra in edd?

Scarce, or fine?

[grizzled warren]

the usual, nothing too crazy

[humble reef]

edd sounds fun, ill try it

[lime hollow]

Nitra was fine. The higher up stuff can be a little difficult to see but just keep the flares flying and it'll pan out.

[mellow cradle]

the first stage had a pretty messed up terrain layout

and two vartoks, one guarding the weakpoints of the other

[lime hollow]

yeah the first stage cave is awful

get out of there as fast as you can. It looks so small and easy but it's a horrific killbox

I made it out of there with like 5 shotgun shells to my name. The vine and wood generation on the floor made excellent little trenches for the bugs to avoid the sentries. Very frustrating place. Hated every second of it lol

[hot vessel]

Definitely rough today

[humble reef]

vartok wasn't too bad for me: just strafe shots at high health and don't fight in it if there's other enemies
alternatively use gunner shield. pre-emptive gunner shield triumphs over one that needs to revive people (wasting half its "damage" duration"

or play from weird diagonal-spiral tunnels because those are the worst to revive someone in

avoid playing from* weird low los spiral tunnels*

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[graceful rock]

I had to work on weekend, papa

[lean mantle]

Honestly I should be using my gunner shields more often, but I always forget

[humble reef]

id like to also suggest to gunners to use their shields more in escort duty on a new room/cave opening up

no-one thinks of it in the moment, but it's really helpful

[teal river]

This 100%

[ornate zenith]

what is the best loadout for engi in a glacial strata deep dive

[old widget]

in general, anything that gives good AoE/crowd damage on one weapon and good single target damage on the other

[chilly shore]

make sure you have some kind of anti shocker weapon
in deep dive hazards that can just be shredders but make sure there is something other than having to hold e on a turret for 4 seconds while the shockers kill you

[primal nexus]

hot take first stage of edd is worst

[tacit jungle]

Sleepwalked through this one, very easy after playing haz 5+ with double bugs double bitiness

Only ran into one vartok and I deleted it while the team was dealing with the crowd

[meager hatch]

hey, I just completed this weeks Deep Dive and didn't get ANY matrix cores/rewards?

[burnt sandal]

had you done it before ?

[meager hatch]

no

[burnt sandal]

are you using mods ?

[meager hatch]

no

[burnt sandal]

what version of the game are you on?
(you can find the version number in the escape menu, at the bottom, it should look like something 1.39.xxxxxx)

[meager hatch]

1.39.110917

it was my very first deep dive 😢

[burnt sandal]

can you screenshot the terminal and post the screenshot in #bug-discussion ?

[meager hatch]

which terminal?

[burnt sandal]

the deep dive terminal

[tawdry geode]

I find it weird that whenever I start a deep dive or elite deep dive, it kicks everyone out of my lobby. Does that happen to anyone?

[teal river]

solo driller def wasn't the right pick for this EDD

mainly because of that last mission

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[ancient lily]

3 hours miners, tick tock team

[digital isle]

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[ancient lily]

Tick tock miners

[distant cave]

Tik Tok

[mellow cradle]

🦆

it's coming

[turbid coral]

hopefully a challenge this week

[zenith ember]

3 d&c cmon

[ivory marten]

I wonder what the dive will be

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[fresh robin]

I pray for Industrial Sabotage

[drifting tinsel]

Weekly Deep Dives information for 2025 February 06 to 2025 February 13 (Week 281)
Deep Dives will reset <t:1739444400:f>

DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: Sacred Edge
Stage 1: 3 Mini-M.U.L.E.s & Uplink + 2 Resonance Crystals | No Mutator
Stage 2: 7 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Duck and Cover
Stage 3: 3 Resonance Crystals & Drillevator + Liquid Morkite Well | Duck and Cover

ELITE DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Dark Nest
Stage 1: 200 Morkite + Liquid Morkite Well | Duck and Cover
Stage 2: 4 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + Classic | Parasites

[turbid coral]

triple d&c

dammm

[zenith ember]

YES

too bad the double d&c is on dd

[turbid coral]

yea true

[mellow cradle]

HAHA

so I have spoken

[mellow cradle]

.

[turbid coral]

fr fr

[ivory marten]

YOU

[zenith ember]

[ivory marten]

https://tenor.com/view/mitskidiamandis-homer-gif-22246587

[zenith ember]

The d&c agenda must continue

[drifting tinsel]

please i cant take this anymore

[turbid coral]

nah it must continue

[ivory marten]

I will kick your ass.

[turbid coral]

hehe he he

https://tenor.com/view/burnt-xion-xion-lol-gif-9658055169254022969

[distant cave]

What is it with duck and cover on DD?

[outer cloud]

please fix duck and cover already holy shit lol

i'm tired boss

[mellow cradle]

there is already an issue opened at the bug reporting site

I would help if I could, but like, I am not going to provide the same data and analysis that was already presented

[nova hearth]

what the DUCK

[cold forge]

Hoxxes has fallen, billions must duck and cover

[ancient lily]

seriously

Can the dfevs get off their fucking ass and address this shit

[steady stream]

Can we get like, haunted cave or something

The duck and cover spam is just tiresome at this point

[ancient lily]

I'll take low oxygen on the typical offenders [point extract, refinement or escort] over duck and cover at this point

it's beyond tiresome

I'd rather have my ebonuts cracked than do low oxygen on anything outside of those three.

Molly is just way too slow

[sand juniper]

I'd much rather play D&C than Low O2.

[ancient lily]

Just in general or with those 3 in the mix

[marsh sonnet]

This week's Elite Deep Dive was the easiest and shortest I've ever done! Even without much Nitra, it was more than enough because of the short mission lengths. A great Deep Dive for anyone looking to complete one for the first time! 😄 If you want to check out my run, I posted it on the channel! #drg-videos

[cold kindle]

I want to kiss developers

I love duck and cover

Thanks for adding more duck and cover in deep dives!

I can't imagine my life without duck and cover!

This is wonderful mutator!

I-i can't remember since when we saw this mutator last time!

Definitely not in previous deep dives!

[steady stream]

D&C's strongest soldier

[cold kindle]

Can you please do me a favor

And add in next deep dive

Not 3 duck and covers

But

FOUR!!!

I WILL BUY EVERY SINGLE COSMETIC DLC FOR DRG IF NEXT DD IS 4 DUCK AND COVERS

[reef pine]

Let's rename Deep Dives to Duck and Cover Dives and replace every warnings with Duck and Cover

[fresh robin]

If we get a double industrial sabotage imma empty the entire cosmetic store cause I wanna burn through my credits

[cold kindle]

I approve

5 duck and covers

This would be so juicy

[sand juniper]

I second this. I have only four cosmetic DLC left to get them all.

(bro said it ironically and I'm saying it unironically )

[cold kindle]

💀

Well

Guess our wallets is about to get empty

[sand juniper]

They're at 67% discount for me right now.

Special offer ends Feb 14th so it should still be active by the time the dives refresh.

[sand juniper]

Anyways I did the DD so that's 2/3 duck and covers out of the way. First time I see a salvage op cave gen where you have the drop pod literally right next to the spawn cave, no walls, no tunnels.

(The tunnel from spawn room to drop pod room is still there, it was just generated weirdly and out of the way; additionally, both rooms are close enough to each other to have no divider wall)

[zenith ember]

getting 4 in a row would be as cool as hitting it in a poker round ngl

[pearl kiln]

very easy edd

took 24 mins with randoms

[ornate dagger]

So if i have one class at lvl 25 i can play deep dives with only that class

I can promote it so i have to get to 25 again to play the dp or is it still open cause you reached 25 once or does your class need to be lvl 25 to enter

[pearl kiln]

you only need to promote a class once to be able to play deep dives for that class forever

[ornate dagger]

Nice thanks

[near lynx]

#drg-memes-no-talk message
The state of DD's right now
Feel like this meme aged nicely

[frail beacon]

if i see one more duck and cover mission

[steady stream]

I have a feeling that you will

we all will

[frail beacon]

THERES TWO??????

i am one beer away from a generational crash out

[steady stream]

3 total across both deep dives :D

[frail beacon]

i am going to GET whoever is responsible.

what is this sick joke

[humble reef]

i just want more salvage operation missions, duck and cover is fine

i like that it forces the team to play differently

[fading light]

Duck and Cover more like Dumb and Cstupid

[next pebble]

No u

[mossy turtle]

Sorry, we do not terms that insult the occasional Steeve we may find down there.

Like Distanced and Cowering before the big gun.
(Can you tell I'm a gunner player)

[weary walrus]

What's the Scout D&C build? I've only played Engy and Gunner to counter

[fading light]

I would probably go with M1000, Boltshark, and Cryo grenades? Though I'm not anything close to a Scout main so take it with a grain of salt

Could see an argument for Stunsweeper instead of Cryo

[novel epoch]

are we still ducking and covering

[lime hollow]

covered but she still duckin'

[tacit jungle]

hide behind a corner is the build

[chilly shore]

electrifying reload gk2 could be big

[weary walrus]

Definitely Boomerang

[lime hollow]

For me it's fire bolt and pheromones boltshark. Pheromones draws a lot of attention and fire spreads like crazy among the acid spitters. It's also great against stationaries and mactera

I also like to take the stun sweeper just to give the team extra breathing room and ensure the fire starter actually catches a light on some bugs. IFGs are usually my go to for that but there's just too many high targets in D&C. Sweeper is so much more convenient for ensuring you're safe now

Primary is pretty much whatever you're comfortable with. I like the m1k just because of the on demand stun. It's outrageously valuable when there's spreaders and menaces abound

[mental rampart]

Man, EDD first stage has a really nasty room in it

You walk into the cave to find the scalebramble in front with the nodules behind it, but there's like 5 spitballers and 2 barrage infectors, as well as a leech, behind it

the other two stages were pretty easy, it was just that one room that really gave me trouble

[sand juniper]

I'd say just bring elemental bolts. Any primary and grenade are fine.

[humble reef]

base m1000 2312X

• 1 shot x focus body **acid **spitters
• 1 shot x hipfire head **acid **spitters
• 1 shot x hipfire body **web **spitters

if you care about m1000 breakpoints

otherwise i like having some form of cryo since stationaries i think are increased and will shore up way too much ammo without the 3x damage multiplier

[mellow cradle]

cryo bolts with phero are also just good for duck and cover waves as well

[dusky crystal]

how many darn planty long spitter guys are there in first stage EDD?

[deft holly]

Also, is it just me, or is D&C GSG's new favourite mutator to put into Deep Dives?

[mellow cradle]

it's not just you

@deft holly see this and this #deep-dive-discussion message #deep-dive-discussion message

also, there is an excel sheet pinned in here which contains the numbers used in those two analysis'

[deft holly]

As, while I no longer have an urge to do all the Deep dives due to me having completed my hunt for Weapon Overclocks and Machine events spawning rarer than I gain Matrix cores, it is very intimidating to do them knowing that a "Phantom Menace/Acid Spitter" glitch is guaranteed to pop up and cause a headache at best and end the run at worst.

[deft holly]

Oh my, yeah, that is a bit absurd, give Ebonite Outbreak as the other new kid on the Mutator block some more love (it being a fun anomaly in disguise is besides the point)

[astral halo]

What is the phantom menace/acid spitter glitch?

[cold kindle]

(Un)usual density of D&C caused menaces and acid spitters to glitch

[sand juniper]

Re-quoting just so it doesn't get buried in the conversation. Come on devs. Make it 4 duck and covers. I will buy all cosmetic DLCs left if they do this.

[cold kindle]

Just kidding.I dunno what is this glitch

[sharp cradle]

Three?... Duck and Covers?.....

Seriously?.....

[narrow oak]

How many credits at the end of the elite deep dive anyone paid attention yo that?

Also don’t think duck and cover is that bad o2 is the real pain

[rain echo]

the true worst combination possible: D&C and low o2

[sharp cradle]

To me O2 depends on cave gen, for supply placement

Eggs are generally 1 big room so it's often ok

Haven't played it yet tho, might be hell under Hoxxes

[rain echo]

intro: escort the drill

[narrow oak]

Ewwww

[void quiver]

Why don't jetty boots stay with you for the whole deep dive

[old widget]

they're only calibrated to work at a certain depth, diving deeper messes them up so the dwarves take them off

(real reason: each DD/EDD stage is basically a new reboot of the gameplay engine starting a new level with a new seed, it's just not programmed to carry over stuff like jet boots, only beer / ammo / minerals, and even ammo it gets wrong on occasion)

[old widget]

20250 credits per completed EDD guaranteed (+ extra for any gold you stop to mine) https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Deep_Dives#Rewards

[thorny geyser]

am i the only one with ridiculously short EDD?

[teal river]

Brain was asleep with on the DD

I'm gonna install custom diff to make it harder next time

Low Grav plus boots on Aquark was fun though

[royal spoke]

My boots spawned in the ceiling and they were levitating

[tepid hamlet]

Yeah that's what they're meant to do

[sand juniper]

Brain is always asleep on the regular DD.

[cold kindle]

At least no haunted cave

[fresh robin]

EDD today is super short and easy

if you dont fuck up I mean

last cave on 1st stage will have a lot of stationaries, so either the scout or gunner must deal with em

[spare jasper]

Can someone help me do some haz 4 and elite deep dives?

[polar grail]

pretty sure this week's elite deep dive is the easiest since i started playing - i got 21:34 with scout, though there were approved mods so im not posting at #deep-dive-speedrunning

[polar grail]

are there no lobbies available?

[spare jasper]

No mot rlly

[gleaming laurel]

The deep dive this week went pretty smooth

Last week, it had some hands

[deep temple]

Yeah

[chilly delta]

This week's elite deep dive went hella fast

Morkite to Eggs to Aquarqs has to be the best deep dive I've seen

Good caves too

[fading light]

i'd say it's straight up easier than the regular Deep Dive this week

[sour frigate]

I'm learning Haz 4 and played both dives with a friend who is better than me. We did the DD with pubs, then told the others going into the EDD that we weren't that good and would probably lose, but had a really friendly pair who gave tips and carried hard. We wiped on stage 3, but had fun and it felt like a really helpful learning experience. Was fun, and because it was short didn't feel a big time loss.

[modern radish]

ngl this week's edd was suprisingly easier than normal dd

probabbly cuz of duck and cover only being at the start

the rest was actually fun

[unkempt lotus]

Anyone wanna load up

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[tacit jungle]

Told my team we'll do the stage 3 dread after the first wave... someone accidentally shot the egg during the wave 😄

[teal river]

There was a lot of accidental egg popping on the third stage of the edd

its just such an open place right next to the minehead

[vague lantern]

that explanation actually works really well, because in real life rocket engines need to be designed to account for the change of outside air pressure in order to function best at the most crucial points of the flight

[teal river]

Very cool explaination, 10/10

[spare jasper]

Looking to do an elite deep dive need 3 for now

[stuck musk]

guys is something on with deep dives rn? I've done like 2 and didn't get any matrix cores also the final boss fight isn't there and its just a morkite seed thing

[alpine trail]

Final boss fight?
You mean when the third mission randomly is a drilldozer or industrial sabotage mission?

it's not guaranteed it ends on any boss-involving mission

[stuck musk]

Oh damn in the past it was 100% of the time some final boss fight for me

[ornate dagger]

Are deep dives diffuculty the same as on haz 5

[tepid hamlet]

regular deep dives are easier than haz 5, elite deep dives scale from a little easier to a little harder than haz5

[teal river]

In stage order:
DD missions are: | 3.0 | 3.5 | 3.5 |
EDD missions are: | 4.5 | 5.0 | 5.5 |

[teal river]

You asked the exact same question in main chat and got the same answer, you probably didn't see it but this is what it is.

[graceful rock]

Why do I feel like DDs seem harder?
Dont get me wrong, these days I do them without a challenge, but before I started with DDs I used to play Haz4 all the time without too big of an issue.
How tf did I fail DDs in the beggining then?

[mellow cradle]

maybe you used to avoid mutators, therefore you weren't familliar with them

[cold kindle]

Just 2 more days...

[sand juniper]

I too reiterate I WILL buy all remaining cosmetic DLCs if we get 4 D&C this week.

[raven carbon]

The edd was so easy it genuinely felt easier than the dd

Duck and cover continues

[raven carbon]

More data for this

[humble reef]

thank you for providing the population mean and variance, this reads pretty well

or well calculating the approximate mean for it

[vague lantern]

it is statistically improbable that duck and cover has the same weight as the other modifiers

[exotic belfry]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a misplaced decimal or something lol

[proud zealot]

[humble reef]

if there is anything to be gained

It's that I can now spot acid and web spitters, without scout flares, by a discernable amount.

assuming the sun is not blasting my monitor

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[cold kindle]

Just 20 hours 25 minutes until my wallet gets empty

[sand juniper]

The only thing we need is the devs giving us those sweet 4 duck and covers on the same dive rotation.

[patent elk]

Please let the next one have D&C on all stages. It's all I ask for 🙏

[tepid hamlet]

6/6 duck and covers

[sand juniper]

The voices of the Duck and Cover Lovers™️ will be heard.

[sand juniper]

Trade offer, GSG.
I receive: Four Duck and Cover warnings in tomorrow's deep dives reset.
You receive: My money going to all remaining cosmetic DLCs (that's four of them).

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[prime sky]

||two scalebrambles :(||

[turbid coral]

I hope for d&c this week it’s too fun

[hot vessel]

Finally gathered the courage and did my first ever solo Deep Dive, an Elite one at that. Rock and Stone to all those who have done it before me. I salute you.

[torpid turret]

Can't wait to get 6 Duck and Cover.

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[void quiver]

Please anything but duck and cover

[fresh robin]

Double Industrail Sabotage pleaseeeee

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[drifting tinsel]

Weekly Deep Dives information for 2025 February 13 to 2025 February 20 (Week 282)
Deep Dives will reset <t:1740049200:f>

DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Sacred Cavity
Stage 1: Escort Duty + 2 Mini-M.U.L.E.s | Exploder Infestation
Stage 2: 200 Morkite + Classic | Rich Atmosphere Duck and Cover
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + 2 Resonance Crystals | No Mutator

ELITE DEEP DIVE
Region: Dense Biozone | Code Name: Fierce Thunder
Stage 1: 10 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 2 Dreadnoughts (Twins & Classic) + 150 Morkite | No Mutator
Stage 3: 5 Resonance Crystals & Drillevator + 150 Morkite | Low Gravity Elite Threat

the year is 2028. double warnings have been added to deep dive stages. secret secondary has been added to the deep dive mutator pool. all primary objectives are guaranteed to be length 3 missions. duck and cover has appeared more often than every other warning and anomaly combined. haunted cave has still not been present since week 265

[torpid turret]

Wait, really? Haiunted caves have not been seen that long in DD and EDD?

4 month, lol

[solid karma]

It felt longer than that honestly

[drifting tinsel]

since the start of season 5, we have seen haunted cave a grand total of FOUR times! what a big number!

[torpid turret]

You need to publish your statistics.

[drifting tinsel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pWqs5RRacUbdMRcYNYQvfC1C0VSr71BA4LJubtTxvAA/edit?gid=1794627381#gid=1794627381

[burnt sandal]

I personally don't mind not seeing the worst mutator of the game

[drifting tinsel]

i don't enjoy haunted cave that much but i'm starting to miss it tbh (；・∀・)

[torpid turret]

Sneaky mod

[mellow cradle]

do you mind seeing duck and cover for the n-th time?

[burnt sandal]

I don't mind duck and cover

also helps that I've not needed doing deep dives for an age

[torpid turret]

You should pin it.

[drifting tinsel]

i don't think it needs to be pinned

the pinned spreadsheet already has all this info. mine is just limited to s5

[trim crescent]

haunted cave is pretty free

[torpid turret]

Right, I am just blind.

[distant cave]

Only one duck and cover

How am I supposed to enjoy myself

[frail beacon]

surely this week doesnt have duck and cover..

give it up for week 6

[cold kindle]

Sweet sweet duck and cover!

But...Why

Only ONE duck and cover

Where's my four duck and covers?

Devs this is totally unaxeaptable

Next deep dive rotation must contain 4 duck and covers OR i'm uninstalling drg forever

||I'm kidding.I won't uninstall drg.||

[astral halo]

Duck and cover my beloved

[cold kindle]

Yeah

[steady stream]

...is it me, or do we have resonance crystals and mini mules every week

[ivory marten]

DUCK AND COVER AGAIN.

[sand juniper]

Beautiful duck and cover.

[patent elk]

One one on DD? D&C lovers out here starving this week

[cold kindle]

At least not zero duck and covers

One isn't enough to satisfy our hunger but it's something

[marsh sonnet]

The Elite Deep Dive this week was easy but very long, and for the first time, I felt a shortage of Nitra, hehe. Normally, there’s plenty of Nitra in EDDs, but this one was really tight. I agree that maybe it was just me not finding enough. I wasted a lot of time trying to locate the Aquarqs in the first stage and the Resonances in the last stage, but other than that, everything went fine. If you want to check out my run, I posted it on the #drg-videos channel. 🚀💎

[opaque canyon]

shouldn't be the date of the deep dive be from february 13 to 20 ?

[drifting tinsel]

i forgor, my bad gang

[deft holly]

Well, looks like I will once again need to pray that I can complete a normal Deep Dive despite Duck and Cover enemies being guaranteed to glitch out the game for me

(Or do it in a team with people who don't experience the glitch, which is embarrassing since normal DDs are something I can easily Solo when the game works as intended)

Thank goodness it's just one stage this time around, as having the stress of "will it glitch out, or will I be able to play the game" two stages in a row was way too stressful.

[old widget]

If you are experiencing consistent glitches with D&C then #bug-discussion may be able to help

[fading light]

just got disconnected right as Molly was getting picked up by the Drop Pod on the final stage of the EDD

[deft holly]

Update: I managed to avoid the glitch by spawning the dread asap to disable swarm spawning, got the morkite while dancing circles around it, then dealt with it and used the tunnel it made to the first room as a "driller extract at home", with me experiencing only a few enemies as part of the extraction swarm.

Cheesy, but in a way that gets me really happy with how effectively the strat worked out

[vivid haven]

current elite deep dive... 4p... how are people managing it?? We finish normal deep dive today in 30 odd mins but cant even get iff first mission on elite

[fading bronze]

are Deep Dive lvls decided at Random or by the Devs ?

[drifting tinsel]

random

[fading bronze]

so is there some bug or something that chooses Duck and Cover so often, or did they increase its chance because its new?

[drifting tinsel]

just bad luck. ebonite outbreak and blood sugar are also new but we've barely seen them

[fading bronze]

i wish i could remember my statistics course because looking at those stats it seems way beyond bad luck

[drifting tinsel]

i personally have an assumption that there was a weighted randomizer used to generate the first dive of s5 (which was actually picked with dev intervention), (would also explain the frequency of resonance crystal objectives), and the randomizer was never set back to normal. i really don't think it's that probable but i do like to entertain the idea in my head

however, the first dives of s5 didn't have any of the new mutators IIRC, so i really can't back that up even if i wanted to

[vague lantern]

i went through the edd and it was perfectly fine

we had enough nitra every stage and nothing was weird aside from the slightly complicated caves

[cold kindle]

Wait we saw blood sugar literally TWO TIMES?

More than half a year passed since s5 and we got only 2 blood sugars?

Sure it has restriction that it can't appear on sabo but come on

[novel epoch]

are deep dives handpicked or is there an automatic randomizer for them

[fading light]

the latter

[tacit jungle]

another straightforward one, bugs move so slowly outside of haz5+

[vivid haven]

So, totally accept we might just be bad but can I ask what your tactics are. We have 1 of each class.
We found the sheet weight of enemies overpowered us.
Couldn't kill enough fast enough.

[drifting tinsel]

i'm not the other guy, but i'll toss in my two cents. :P

something that helps me keep pace in EDDs is avoiding enemies whenever possible. if you need to revive someone that's being mauled by ten praetorians, that's a different issue, but usually a stun or distraction will work fine. there's no need to really do a lot of killing unless it's part of the objective (like in elim missions). on a time-sensitive mission like point extraction, you really don't want to be spending time killing everything in sight when you can be contributing to the primary objective. enemies can't slow you down if you're not turning around every second to get them out of your sight. you tend to move significantly faster when you're not shooting, after all (〃´ω`〃)
every class has some sort of quick-fix crowd control that's more focused on stun instead of damage. roll control with plasma trail + stun + wider beam length does wonders for a big group of small enemies, and the same can be said about bullet hell + stun, or even scout's boomerangs. all of driller's primaries are great at slowing down targets (and remember to bring slowdown on the flamethrower as well). engi has lures, gunner can equip fear on the coilgun, and using drills on enemies inflicts fear. scout is usually fast enough to outrun threats, but he has options like cryo grenades, pheromones, taser bolts, fear & shockwave on the boomstick. obviously, keep some killing power for things like dreadnoughts, but there's a LOT of options for everyone when it comes to sticky situations

[cold kindle]

Randomizer.But i have feeling that chances of one interesting warning which starts with D,second word starts with A and third word starts C,are greatly increased

It's not confirmed but statistics...

[zenith coral]

Best class to solo this week?

[cold kindle]

I dunno.Hard to say.This edd contains both PE and extermination

Scout is good for PE. As other classes you'd be overwhelmed after some time but as scout you can grappling hook

For extermination - engie with hyperpropellant

And deep scan. Every class fits deep scan but imo driller is the best cuz you can dig through everything straight to resonance crystal

Map generation on deep scan 5 crystals is so confusing sometimes

And gunner which is kinda good for everything

On PE just ask bosco to bring aquarqs,for extermination bring smth powerful (coilgun with mole oc,for instance),on deep scan just don't get lost in the cave

And don't forget about shield when drillevator stops or when you just gets overwhelmed

DD can be beaten as any class cuz it's haz 3-3,5

[vague lantern]

Erm... We killed everything and got on with our tasks?

Idk, might just be little things that go poorly that add up

And I was using a dinky little budget scout build of special powder and overclocked firing mechanism

But I know for a fact that my build has low firepower so I brought ifg's to make my own kill zones on demand if I'm alone

[humble reef]

regardless of level, i find it a big red flag if the team doesn't communicate at the beginning or lacks forms of cc

you point out really good build optioons i scout for before starting a deep dive

[vague lantern]

indeed it helps a lot on high hazards to have a few cc and multi target options

engi and driller usually have this covered, between the driller's very existence (unless he's running the dreaded direct damage 2 second flame duration crispr) and the engineer's secondary weapons aside from the shard diffractor

[trim crescent]

scout with special powder cause you can carry tech the entire first stage, with a faceroll primary like gk2 ofm, m1k hisper or tef/ct drak

and then either cryo to get a bit more burst on dreads and do stationaries easier or phermones to make all swarms afk

if i didnt care about speed then id go stubby breach engi

[humble reef]

even on scorching tide, i also run at least 5s and slow on flames

i.e. the mindset that you need to max out direct damage/dot damage on sludge pump boggles my mind when slows and cc allows them (and the dot damage) to function in the first place in a team

[zenith coral]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[vague lantern]

taking direct damage on sludge is incredibly foolish

like... enjoy your 8 damage on top of what was already more than enough to kill a grunt

or in the case of taking more dot, enjoy your 8 damage on top of damage enough to kill a haz 5 slasher

also, interestingly enough sludge can also one shot a haz 5 4 player tri jaw

[humble reef]

oo ill keep that in mind, that's good to know

[outer bough]

I'll have you know the only form of communication I partake in is homoerotic grunting as I make several waves of gliphids walk in circles with my fear + neurotoxin autocannon build

but I suppose that means I don't lack CC

[tacit jungle]

You don't actually need to communicate. Sometimes it's useful for someone to remind the idiot host (me) that we need to finish events after getting the heartstone

other than that, there aren't a lot of life choices to make

[charred crypt]

@jagged tulip hello

@jagged tulip ?

[outer halo]

this edd is awful

good lord

[viscid sorrel]

do swarm types in deep dives stay the same between runs? My group had a dreadnought swarm (they saw it for the first time and had no idea it was a thing), but im not sure if its something that would happen every run or if it was random

[cold kindle]

It's random

[cold kindle]

That edd was tough,helluva deaths #drg-gallery message

I can't say it was hard edd cuz objectives or warnings

It was cuz my teammates are...kinda greenbeard

A lot of friendly fire

Gunner with cluster grenade

And their load outs was kinda weird

Also they was double dipping

We almost failed stage 3 cuz mactera swarm

Everyone was using IW but nobody except me was using vampire

💀

[astral halo]

If teammates didn't want friendly fire they shouldn't stand near the bugs.

[edgy tartan]

always fun getting the 1% dreadnought on an already tough level

[viscid sorrel]

lmao yeah, they were confused on what "significant seismic activity" meant and i just said "oh this will be hilarious"

[vague lantern]

meanwhile bugs on haz 5 running at you with almost enough speed to keep up

[tepid hamlet]

If teammates didn't want friendly fire they shouldn't stand in front of a gunner

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[vagrant thicket]

whats the hazards on deepdives?

[exotic belfry]

See pinned

vioxynteris posts all the DD/EDD info every week, and the message is pinned. On mobile you have to click on it to see the whole thing

[vagrant thicket]

ty

[cold kindle]

Btw somebody tried to convience me that stage 2 hazard is 5.5 and stage 3 hazard is 6

As dwarves says

"Team me up with a bunch of greenbeards like that,crap sake..."

[drifting tinsel]

gas light galactic

[rapid ice]

Hi I just got my first promotion and I want to know what sets the difference between deep dives and regular missions and can I play deep dives with my friends who haven't been promoted yet?

[mellow cradle]

1. The difference is that deep dives only have mandatory objectives, no events, no crafting minerals, so you generally play them to get them done. Your ammo, health, pockets, and nitra also carry over to the next stages. You can read more here #deep-dive-discussion message
2. No, every dwarf participating needs to be promoted, otherwise you won't be able to start a dive.

[rapid ice]

Ok thx for clarifying

[tacit jungle]

heh that'd be a funny gimmick, you drop resupplies until nitra is below 80 before each stage

after landing, everyone stands around and pings the same nitra vein until the scout mines it (people keep doing this to me)

[safe perch]

Why is duck and cover in every single deep dive.

I don't even feel concern or fear, just "yup, there's another one. like always"

Can't remember the last time i've seen a haunted, but then again I also haven't played them religiously either

[cold kindle]

If next deep dive rotation contains haunted cave then OR 4 duck and covers then i...i dunno.

I'll be so damn happy!

[vague lantern]

Pfft, obviously it's not my fault that someone died after running past me and my 300 dps stubby

But getting focus shotted by the m1000 should be considered attempted murder

[slate lichen]

guys i promoted i can finally talk in the cool people group chat

[outer halo]

The tables are turned when driller is trying to damage the dreadnought on haz 5 and scout has a supercooling chamber m1k

[next bluff]

am new to deep dives, are there any major differences between normal missions and deep dive missions?
other than back to back thing and the diff objectives ofc

[novel epoch]

deep dives and elite deep dives are their own custom difficulty level iirc
and they get harder with each stage

[next bluff]

I thought it was 3 - 3.5 - 3.5

speaking of 3.5 is it actually like h4 lite or h3 but more

[novel epoch]

personally it feels like haz3 but more

[next bluff]

sounds manageable

[novel epoch]

i mean tbf i only play deep dives in a group so it'll probably scale differently if you go solo

[next rivet]

hello

[wind zephyr]

edd solo scout drillivator didn't work out well for me lol

[steady stream]

the caves are also always going to be the same

so if you fail a dive, you can go in again and have a better idea of the cave layout