deep-dive-discussion

[tall relic]

It's a super good utility tool tho and a ton of fun to use

[rancid cedar]

tcf is leagues better then most driller secondaries for combat its insane

[maiden prism]

Makes me think tho which is the last thing I want to do while playing driller

[tall relic]

Nah I want something that takes skill lmao

I just don't get much combat use out of it with cryo

Using TCF explosions on frozen enemies is kinda redundant

[rancid cedar]

not redundant at all cus cryo struggles with swarm clear the most out of all the driller primaries

[summer widget]

ugh this elite deep dive is horrible...

[jagged sun]

how hard is solo edd

[rancid cedar]

this weeks might be a bit rough solo due to the position of the pump jacks

[ancient sapphire]

https://i.imgur.com/5GoxXim.png

i've never sweated so much

[karmic flame]

second stage is pretty much impossible if you arnt gunner or driller
gunner for shield to hide from macteras
driller for the bunkie

or just get lucky with the spawns i guess

black box is always the one thing that makes solo deep dives so fucking difficult

and salvage operations

salvage is not designed with solo in mind at all, same for the black box

[plucky anvil]

man this week edd got hands

we barely scaped by lol

[blazing aspen]

For the scout who abandoned us cuz no nitra no ammo and dreads got popped, we won u know who u are

It was awful and we needed u for the morkite section

Thats all

[tall relic]

There fr needs to be a penalty for leaving EDDs

Third stage without a scout to call down pumpjacks sounds awful

[stray bane]

is it that bad???

[echo crystal]

I've done several deep dives now

And the fact that Deep Dives have 2 main missions instead of side missions is a god sent

Like the side missions are just tedious man

[quasi sleet]

You can do it without much issue using scout with phero bolts

Also has anyone else gotten the version of this EDD that has jet boots and bet-c in stage 2? The aquarqs were all in the same places but the black box was somewhere else too.

[zenith ember]

Depends on team comp, my randoms were chill af for this edd, the refinery pump positions are quite messed up though

[wraith shard]

Secondary Objectives are fine imo

EXCEPT fossils

I hate alien fossil hunting they're so cringe and ugly and I bet their mother's hate them too

It feels like unless you're scout you will basically not get it done or spend an unreasonable amount of time on them

God forbid you bring driller to a fossil secondary

[still geode]

i really havent had that much issue with fossils

as driller u just drill up behind it

[wraith shard]

Its just so tedious to do

[little halo]

I use Brighter Objective to make fossil more bearable

[still geode]

gunner is annoying because u can zipline up but then u have to get off your zipline to grab the fossil

[wraith shard]

And they're barely visible

[still geode]

so u have to time getting back onto the zipline or you just fall

[wraith shard]

And they arent as plentiful

Sometimes it feels like there are only 10 fossils

[little halo]

But if you have to do fossil in a huge Magma Core cave w.o Scout, god bless lmao

[wraith shard]

Which makes getting the 10 you need harder

Gunner gets the job done but its expensive since you essentially waste a stair lift zipline

And the timing thing

[still geode]

its not really a waste unless u were going to use those ziplines for something else

[wraith shard]

I usually don't have issues but occasionally I waste a revive

[still geode]

u generally have more ziplines than u need throughout a mission

[wraith shard]

Yknow what fair its not like they're useful aside from some bad map generations

[still geode]

yea

[wraith shard]

Like when you get a 2 floored chasm with some mario ass platforming

You can skip that and its cool for that

Alternatively you could uh

Play engineer

That works too

Which Segways into engie, he handles fossils better, I feel the only time he can't is when they're on a weird ass inward slanted wall

Idk if you know what im talking about and im bad at explaining

But sometimes the indent is too much

And driller just has the most time consuming method and aside from gunner, the most resource intensive, and unlike gunner, his traversal tool is goated

And scout is scout, worse case scenario you burn your cooldown cause you fucked up the power attack ledge cancel

[still geode]

engi has issues when fossils are very far up

gunner can too though

[compact shard]

dd is extremely easy but the edd is so fucking hard

[wraith shard]

True gunner has the angle limit

[still geode]

driller usually not really because you can drill up the wall very easily

[compact shard]

especially with a stingtail that just kills you with fall damage, very fair and balanced attack

[still geode]

but like if you're at the angle limit for gunner, gunner just places a zip

while with engi u have to put down like eight platforms or smth

[golden barn]

stage 2 I assume?

[still geode]

if its slightly above the angle limit then suddenly gunner gets screwed over

[compact shard]

stage 3

[wraith shard]

Actually wait

RJ250

[still geode]

what are you struggling with on the edd

and what class are you playing

[wraith shard]

Suddenly engineer is as good as scout

[golden barn]

I just hid in a tunnel I made

karl bless sticky fuel

[still geode]

yeah i was going to recommend a sticky flames crspr build

volatile guts and swarmageddon are both modifiers that sticky flames do well on

it helps to have enemies dying further away from you with volatile guts and when grunts burn to death theyll blow up and do a lot of damage to larger enemies that usually are not very vulnerable to sticky flames

if you're good with tcf its a solid combo with sticky flames and helps deal with mactera plague

if you're solo then the dreadnaughts might give that setup some issues

for solo i think disperser compound would be better

you can shoot charged shots like under the mouth of big enemies and a large portion of the fragments will hit them and deal damage

[wraith shard]

I'm a religious sludge blaster so I would recommend sludge blast

[still geode]

sludge blast is really good vs dreadnaughts but its not very good on swarmageddon volatile guts imo

[wraith shard]

Ah

No its not

I was thinking more to solve the issue of matters AND dreads

I think its good swarm clear but swarmaggedon spawns more swarmers than normal swarms spawn grunts iirc

So probably not good enough

[golden barn]

engi ssg with ecr lok and lwc breach could do the job on solo for the edd

[still geode]

yeah swarmageddon spawns extra swarms that are smaller than normal swarms but consist only of swarmers

if it was just adding swarmers to regular swarms it wouldnt be a big deal

[wraith shard]

Wait im confused

So less swarm or more swarm

[still geode]

you have the same amount of normal swarms

then on top of that you have extra swarms that consist of only swarmers

[wraith shard]

Oh ok

Swarm dlc

[still geode]

and due to that it can have quite a big impact on weapons that already struggle with ammo

[wraith shard]

I thought it was "swarm gets replaced with smol but more numerous swarm"

But I understand now

Sludge blast would be less out of place than I thought then but still not good enough prolly

Just play with a sticky flame driller

You kill the flies and bosses he kills the babies

In terms of soloing idk what you could do to cover for all 3 issues

[still geode]

gunner is always a safe option for solo imo

[wraith shard]

Maybe

I feel more comfortable with scout tbh

[karmic flame]

Wait so
RJ250 compound works on teammates right?
What if, you shoot a teammate that also has RJ250, and he syncs your grenade with his own, do the explosions stack?

[still geode]

you can fix most problems by applying shields to the issue

[karmic flame]

Better yet, what if all 4 have the rj250, they stand right next to each other, and all rocketjump at the same time

[wraith shard]

Triple shot crossbow and AISE GK2 are my go too combo

[still geode]

and gunner has a good variety of strong options for crowds and single targets plus huge amounts of ammo

[wraith shard]

Nvm scout cant handle crowds

[karmic flame]

Overkill on single damage

[still geode]

rj250's rocket jumping power is diminished if u hit multiple people with one blast for some reason

its pretty awkward when you try to jump and someone is 1 pixel inside of the edge of your blast and u basically dont move

[wraith shard]

Not enough dedication tbh

[karmic flame]

Bodkin points crossbow, certain boomstick builds, pheromone canister, agressive venting drak

[still geode]

av drak, double barrel and fire bolts are your best options

pheros can be slotted into every build but generally you want some kind of followup if you want to actually kill the enemies

ifgs are also very solid in chokepoints

[wraith shard]

I like that combo because AISE makes you hella accurate so I can fight while kiting better and triple shot nishanka helps cheat dreads

[karmic flame]

Phero into agressive venting drak or double barrel broomstick is just

[wraith shard]

Also how does aggressive venting help

[still geode]

it ignites enemies

[wraith shard]

Is the range big enough

[still geode]

and then they burn to death

[wraith shard]

I kinda assumed it was bad

[still geode]

the range scales based on how far you heated it up

so with manual heat dump the range is kinda bad

if you just overheat it fully its good enough

and it fears enemies too so they'll run away from you while they burn to death

and if there are a lot of enemies the enemies you ignite will run through other enemies and the fire will spread to more and more enemies

[karmic flame]

Same reason why fire bolts are better than they seem

Without heat spreading fire bolts would be trash

Pretty sure fire bolts dont even have AOE burn when you hit an enemy, they only do if you hit the ground, and even then its pretty small

[still geode]

the aoe isnt bad if its on the ground

you do generally want to double em up

two fire bolts ignite a lot faster than just one

but yeah once enemies start igniting and you have both the fire bolts + the heat spread from burning enemies it really picks up the pace and everything else just goes up inf lames

[karmic flame]

Damn, dead chat

Anyways, opinions on the shield drak overclock?

I tried it and holy shit its good

There arent any reals downsides

As long as you dont fuck up and let it overheat

Honestly, i'd say its would be worth it for the faster shield regen ALONE

Its that good

[wraith shard]

I like it but im bad and I let it overheat all the time

Not like it matters cause it comes back soon enough

[karmic flame]

And besides, its not like its worse than regular drak without the shield

Aside from the extra heat

It deals more damage and has more ammo

Im not saying that the battery booster for the drak is op now or anything

But the extra damage and ammo are really unnecessary now that it has the faster shield regen

[rancid cedar]

no the extra dmg is very necessary considering that your heat gen and cooling is doubled

[still geode]

and considering that base drak is one of the worst weapons in the game

[tacit iris]

It’s a pretty good overclock I think

[ancient sapphire]

I got a version in stage 1 where we got nemesis and a rival presence spawn when dread was still alive

[late lance]

had the rival/nem the moment we spawned the dreads aswell lol

[cyan birch]

EDD This week is a nightmare

[wraith shard]

heh, love those stage 3 terrains

[onyx dirge]

Our engie was last alive with iron will and ran for the drop pod at stage 3, died on the ramp

[ancient sapphire]

Gg

[patent zenith]

First EDD after 2 months away, and I actually thought it was modded when I played. 😂

Just non-stop harassment.

[tough skiff]

regular DD felt so easy when we don't have 3 dreadnaught objectives

[patent zenith]

We all ran out of ammo and couldn’t resupply. So we’re just resurrecting eachother and running around.

[slate stump]

first stage was kinda rough

with twins and nemesis

and close to 0 nitra

[thick gulch]

almost completed edd with a rando team

[slate stump]

and

biting your ass to death

[thick gulch]

with aggressive bunker strats

[slate stump]

finished it, but took us over hour

[thick gulch]

it's the mactera

[slate stump]

you just need to make sure you don't leave drop pod right away on stage 2 and 3

[thick gulch]

even after that

[slate stump]

as for macteras i went gk2 aise and cryo grenades

so i could maximize the removal capabilites

and cryo was good for swarmers in tough situations

[cyan birch]

First deep dive where the Snowball OC might actually be useful and more ammo efficient, the number of Macteras is absurd

[surreal turtle]

Easy deep dive so far

2 mules and morkite now

[tall relic]

I thought about taking snowball but I figured improved thermal efficiency would be best with the two dreads

[cyan birch]

My plan was to only really use my secondary a little to help, but in the end, give my ressuply to someone like the gunner who'll most likely do more damage/need more ammo for said fight

[wise ridge]

edd was painful but team was good and i managed it on my 2nd try

in stage 2 i was cryo full freeze speed driller but it still is barely enough for macteras

i dug like a mole to avoid firing line of fliers when going to pod, but still almost died

would be fine cos scout was already there but still. it was a scary moment when gooers covered everything at the entrance to dp

so i was very slowly walking into it over 10 secs or sth and not being sure if im immune to dmg yet or not

3rd one was very thrilling and i think 3 times we needed iw to recover entire team at refinery

i'd say thorns really saved my ass from swarmers because i think my guns werent quick enough to consistently stop them

the arbalest twin has been brutal, refinery has little maneuver area, maybe couldve made better arena from it

also one of pumpjacks is in a weird vertical location, i did my best digging there but people kept going down on it, i think the cave there is just rly open

just the verticality of the zone always makes refinery missions likely to have them spawn so above that grinding to pump isnt good, everyone except scout cant do it quickly

[tall relic]

Two of the pumpjacks were in super weird spots

You had to drill spiral staircases basically

[wise ridge]

i wonder if anyone will finish this one below 1hr time

azure weald layout on these 3 missions may be among the most difficult in the game tbh

[tall relic]

I'm no speedrunner but I think the first stage can be done relatively fast if you're quick with disabling the turret controller

My group unintentionally speedran it with our engi accidentally bursting the dread cocoon immediately after I disabled the turret controller lmao

Stage 2 is just standard point extraction + black box, only 7 aquarqs

Stage 3 you just need scout to call down the pumpjacks asap and get the driller on digging duty

[tired snow]

Anyone else having a nightmare with the elite deep dive? 😅

[wraith shard]

SAME

I thought it was just me

Also does anyone have a good Hurricane build for Deep Dives? Mine (I'm guessing) is pretty mediocre. I have it set as 12212 with the overclock "Overtuned Feed Mechanism"(Since its the only overclock I have for it)

[ancient sapphire]

Honestly, the pierce OC and minelayer is good on hurricane

[rancid cedar]

try 31122

[hardy fractal]

depending on what kind of enemies you know you'll be facing based off of the pinned description you might change it a bit. Personally I run 32222 on overtuned feed mechanism

[outer cloud]

tbh i think minigun is better for solo (if you're doing that) with aoe secondary

[wraith shard]

Im doing EDD with a team

[outer cloud]

what secondary are you using? as for hurricane with that oc i think i would go with 31222

[slate stump]

minigun with hellfire coilgun feels like a good setup for this edd

you have something for swarmers/macteras/robots

[outer cloud]

hurricane already has plenty of ammo so i think ammo from t1 is wasted

[slate stump]

my gunner picked ntp and i outkilled him as scout

[harsh dagger]

e

how do i get roles?

[wraith shard]

Armskore

[outer cloud]

yea minigun would definitely be more suited for this edd too

[rancid cedar]

that’s good for literally anything

[slate stump]

true, leadstorm leadstorm hellfire

[wraith shard]

So i shouldnt go for armor breaking in tier 2?

[outer cloud]

yeah armor breaking is kinda iffy with it

[wraith shard]

alr

[outer cloud]

it's ok with jet fuel homebrew but i would not use it with any other oc

[wraith shard]

And in tier 4, is better area damage better than weak-point damage?

[outer cloud]

pretty sure you can hit some breakpoints with t4a but don't trust my word on that 100%

what problems was your team having this edd?

[wraith shard]

Getting overloaded with enemies

which is why i was asking for a build for my hurricane

for better kills

[outer cloud]

right

[rancid cedar]

minigun is amazing in teams too tho

[outer cloud]

yeah absolutely

always reliable

[woven panther]

I have just started playing Deep dives. Do I need to do the first deep dive solo or can I go in with a full team….because I am not having much succes going in solo.

[civic yoke]

you can do both, but if you are struggling solo try with a team

trying a different build could also help

[woven panther]

I’ve tried with Engineer with Shard difractor, SMG and Shredder swarm. And Driller with Cryo canon, CWC and Springloaded ripper.

[wraith shard]

I have the overclock "Lead Storm" for the minigun I think its good? So how should I build it based off that oc

[still geode]

32113 is the usual for that one

blowthrough works too

and the faster spinup can also work

[civic yoke]

i would recommend scout with some sort of pheromone, to get the swarms distracted so you have time to kill them, for driller crspr works better for swarms also springloaded rippers are very situational, so unless you know how to get the best out of them pick another grenade.

[woven panther]

Thx

[civic yoke]

if you build ur primary for swarms try to build the secondary for damage to kill the big guys

[wraith shard]

32322 is my build rn is that good for edd?

[civic yoke]

if u are not used to lead storm I would recommend another damage oc, not being able to move will get you killed if you dont know how to get the best out of ziplines or know to bhop.

[still geode]

cold as the grave is of very limited use imo

especially on LSLS which does so much damage that its rare for it to overheat before everything is dead anyway

[spring vessel]

what the fuck

is the weeks edd

like a joke

THERES ZERO NITRA

STAGE 2 HAS ZERO FUCKING NITRA

[civic yoke]

it's really good to test your team ammo economy

damn instant dunce lol

[dense sage]

asking to get yeeted

[wraith shard]

lmao wow

[dense sage]

<@&296918282403840000>

[wraith shard]

How do you live with yourself sir?

Ayo mod check?

[wraith shard]

is armor breaking better than penetration for the third tier?

[still geode]

for single target dmg armor break is really nice

especially for stingtails and shellbacks

if ur using it for more general purpose then blowthrough is convenient but be careful that you dont shoot your teammates through the enemies

ive beent eamkilled many many times when people shot dreadnaughts with blowthrough lsls and just ended up hitting me while i had the dreads aggro

[wraith shard]

thx for the info

[thick sapphire]

i think stage 2 has an okay amount of nitra but it's scattered about and you're probably going to burn through it all

[sharp salmon]

I've re-tried the EDD. This time I was packed with knowledge and equipped a cryo driller to deal with the mactera... I got about 3 minutes more progress than on the last run and died

We've got a swarm during a black box right after we got a swarm

And gunner got the shield bug where it wouldnt deploy

And there was more mactera than I can count Jesus Christ

[civic yoke]

maybe he didnt had ammo

for the shiled

[sharp salmon]

nah they did, aparentely its a bug

[civic yoke]

idk i have never seen it

[thick sapphire]

but i feel like there isn't really much easy to get to nitra that you can grab quickly at the start for stage 2

[sharp salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-just-dodge-yeah-just-dodge-bullet-hell-gif-26068620

^how it feels to stage 2

Stage 2 definitely has more nitra. Tbh I didnt have amo problems this time

[civic yoke]

i mean if u are really having a bad time with stage two I hate to say it but you can always bunker.

[sharp salmon]

Stage 1 has like no nitra

[sharp salmon]

tbh not a bad idea, but it wouldnt really work well with the box

A vertical bunker would be bad with all the normal glyphids

[civic yoke]

why not, its just like bunkering on salvage

[sharp salmon]

I always thought bunkering on salvage is a meme

[civic yoke]

yeah

you don't need to bunker like at all, but you know, if u are really desperate.

[sharp salmon]

in stage 2 there werent many tanks spawning so bunker wouldnt be actually a bad idea

[civic yoke]

also idk what you mean with a vertical bunker, just make a long tunnel to the surface, and cover the hole on top

thats because most drillers never do an emergency exit

[sharp salmon]

But like in theory, with no tanks you can just focus fire on a single hole, benefiting from piercing and splash, instead of having to turn around 180 degrees (or more with mactera covering the whole sky)

[civic yoke]

and they panic

I cant remember the last time I did a bunker shit was like 2 years ago lol

[sharp salmon]

I am :stuff:

[civic yoke]

most of the time I see drillers like lv 50 trying to make one on salvage, and the whole team dies and I have to clutch

[sharp salmon]

Stage 2 box is really fucked with positioning as its in the middle of a field

you got a whole dome view to watch and shoot

[civic yoke]

like this time an engie didn't knew what a bunker was an didn't cover the top lol

idk I never have problems on edd, always do them first try, sometimes second try if its really fucked up, maybe I just play with competent randos

[ancient sapphire]

You drop the black box down next to the minehead

[sharp salmon]

Yeah EDDs aren't usually a problem but sometimes there are ones like this once

[ancient sapphire]

I tried the edd 5 times. I only succeeded because the 5th team was competent

It makes a huge difference

[sharp salmon]

no you cant

its like 30 meters away

[ancient sapphire]

Well I dropped the black box all tries

Black box also can spawn slightly off

[sharp salmon]

you cant move it oter than vertically

[civic yoke]

this one I also did it with randoms, first try, a driller with cryo, gunner with dps and scout was actualy god and running pherome

i was with engie, got like 1k kills lol

maybe im just lucky

[sharp salmon]

phero do be kinda busted

[civic yoke]

that shit can like make a whole swarm a joke

[sharp salmon]

didnt they buff it this season for some reason?

[civic yoke]

dont remember

if they did why tho

[tough skiff]

join edd central europe on steam we have 2 slots

[wise surge]

What are deep dives like

Then what's the point in doing an elite deep dive if it's the same rewards?

[jaunty wadi]

EDD rewards are in addition to normal deep dive

so if you do both you get 6 cores

[tall relic]

They're fun

I do EDDs exclusively

Regular DDs are boring imo and not worth the overclocks unless I'm really trying to get a particular one

[wise surge]

Ok

[inland arch]

well, I just completed my first deep dive!

[burnt sandal]

It's an extra set of reward per week

[balmy stone]

I had the twins spawn from a random wave on stage 3 before I popped the cocoon

Wtf

[burnt sandal]

happens

[willow nimbus]

Me when im about to do the elite deep dive knowing whats expecting me

[spring beacon]

-ammo efficiency deep dive run

[viscid patrol]

I beat my first deep dive
I’m happy

[hasty wraith]

how do i get more perms in this server

[chrome inlet]

f

[forest carbon]

Anyone have advice for solo EDD black box mactera plague

Feels cancer

[karmic sundial]

scout with cyro minelets/nades

[quasi sleet]

phero bolts

[forest carbon]

I’m driller

I might try scout though

Mactera plague+ black box is fucking aids on some classes solo

[quasi sleet]

I would say bunker under the black box but idk if there's enough terrain to do that

[forest carbon]

I tried but 3 goo bomber camp my face

[burnt sandal]

pick a role in #welcome-and-rules

[jagged sun]

speaking of those, I've been having an issue with the phero bolts specifically where many of the bugs don't even get attracted to the pheromones

they just keep attacking me

it feels like only a small group of the swarm gets distracted

any info on that?

[forest carbon]

YEA

finished my first EDD solo

[quasi sleet]

I don't know how many, but a pheromoned creature does not attract every enemy

[forest carbon]

Scout was better for EDD

The pheromone let me finish black box

Ty for advice

[thick sapphire]

yeah i think there is a limit to how many enemies can get aggroed to a pheromoned enemy

so for big groups you'd pheromone multiple bugs or use a pheronade

[ancient cove]

man, Scout dced on second EDD stage

[ancient cove]

too bad, failed Stage 3. Greenbeard gunner had the smallest shield possible and never used ziplines 😔

[random dust]

is sharing image on this channel disabled? can't send it

seen some ppl post images here. do you need permission

[ancient cove]

nobody can post images here, only in #deep-dive-speedrunning and only of speedruns

Depending on what you want to post, there are also channels for that like #drg-gallery , #modded-gallery , #fan-art

[random dust]

this made me wonder ^

I'm not tripping right

mysteries oh mysteries. but thanks for input

[random dust]

I find small shield to be better in almost every situation. As you know there are two ways to use shield; active or reactive. Actively, you're putting it down before anyone downs. And in that situation, it concentrates swarms around smaller parameter instead of thinning them out. A lot of our arsenaries are AOE. And you get longer duration to clear them. Reactively, you can safely raise up to two dwarves instead of one boyo because of longer duration.

I guess the only situation larger shield would be good is if everyone is running around far away. But it drastically reduces Active effectiveness, which is much more encouraged.

[calm sky]

what is this weeks deep dive spoilers?

[burnt sandal]

check the pinned message

[calm sky]

thanks mate. didnt know they pin the message

[still geode]

small shields suck

frequently results in getting hit when standing in it by enemies outside because you're too close to the edge, if more than one person goes inside you very frequently get headbumped out, no room to dodge stuff like shellbacks when they roll into the shield, can't be effectively used to push bulks away due to being too small, much more prone to being missed because there's less leeway, harder to fit 2 people into it to rez them both unless they died on top of eachother

just to name a few reasons

the mid sized shield with both duration mods can rez two people just fine since the first person you rez can help rez the 2nd person

i personally run large shields but its much harder to make good use of the extra size than just running full duration so i wouldnt recommend that unless u really want the full size

[ancient cove]

Small shield is always bad. You should put at least one upgrade into the shield size.
Because the shield doesn't block any damage, it only blocks projectiles and restores your personal shield. Any explosion that happens near the shield will damage you, therefore it's important to have a lot of space between you and the edge of the shields, so you don't get hit by exploders or something.
While in normal missions the shield normally outregen your armor shield fast enough, it's fine most of the time, but as soon you get into a mission with shield modifier, any explosion can kill you inside the shield (on Haz 5+).
Small shield covers too little ground, if you misplace it, it becomes completely useless very fast. There isn't even really enough space for 4 dwarfs, unless they are very close to each other what leads to more friendly fire.
And it's exactly what happend as we got wiped at the end. The gunner throw the shield to revive and while he was 1cm into it, he got grabbed by Stingtail and killed.
Meaning, bigger shield is simply easier to use and doesn't require you to be very skilled with it to make it useful.

[tight orchid]

I've been trying to complete the elite deep dive with my friend recently but i cant get past the second mission. what weapons should i use as engi

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[timid lotus]

I went loki with executioner and shard with the overloard oc to melt the dns

[tight orchid]

any specific mods?

[timid lotus]

for the second mission the best option is to mine under the black box to put it closer to the minehead and its turrets

[timid lotus]

nothing in specific, just pure dmg for the shard

[tight orchid]

ah good idea

[timid lotus]

you can melt a twin with one boost

as long as you coordinate with your teammate

ig you can use the shard mod that deals more dmg to electrified targets as long as you have a source for that but the other dmg mod is also in the same tier so

[tight orchid]

ok ty

[forest carbon]

If you have the appropriate OC Lok is best primary. Executioner for ST or Explosive chemical for aoe. If u don’t have that the warthog+ turret whip is good even with no OC. Breach cutter is best secondary generally

Use stun mod. My breach cutter can 2 tap sting tails/ praetorians. The stun also prevents sting tail from grabbing you

Only issue engi may have is he can’t do aquarq fast so have ur buddy either driller or scout

[lime dirge]

Plus, if you have a small shield, people will joke about it

[tight orchid]

i will try that

[forest carbon]

Turret whip is a unique playstyle though just fyi so if u don’t like babysitting ur turrets don’t run it

U shoot ur turret and it shoots a rocket that does 160 aoe dmg

[tight orchid]

i have exec so i will use that

[forest carbon]

100% Lok is better as long as u have those oc

[outer cloud]

this edd was fun, lots of diversity

if only it was on magma core

[forest carbon]

Mactera plague solo on aquarq gave me aids

[outer cloud]

m1k fear was very useful in that stage

focus shot mactera in the middle of the swarm = profit

[forest carbon]

Worked well but swaragedon on last stage was so rough with m1k. I ended up brute forcing 2nd stage with Drak AV and breezing 3rd stage

[random dust]

I'm gonna combine response to you and the comment above in one.
Exploder-wise, in no shield map I agree. But majority of the times you won't be running in that mod. I personally don't like to sacrifice something for a specific situation. Same goes for needing to push a bulk away with your shield. It is not the primary purpose of your shield and even so a lot of map layouts actually do let you keep it at bay when you absolutely need to.
Poking your head out just a little is fine as long as you're still touching the shield.
Stingtail-wise, big or small shield, somebody will get snatched regardless. It's not the purpose of the shield to defend you from stingtails. Unless you're running solo mission as gunner and you have to fit every role possible, gunner isn't the best at dealing with stingtails since CC or nuking it is the best way to deal with it. Gunner is consistent dps or sacrifice dps for fear with neurotoxin.
Dodging shellback... just step away from shield for a second if you think you can't dodge it inside shield. It won't kill you to step outside for literally a second.
Misplacing it is skill issue. Friendly-fire comes from misunderstanding how shield works and everyone trying to stay completely inside the shield when just touching it is fine. Take an edge and your teammates usually won't shoot at the back of your head. Most likely your team is surrounded so there's something to kill every direction. That's something people would try to get better at naturally I hope. But yes I agree it is green friendly to sacrifice duration for ease of use.

If you understand to take an edge of shield for positioning and recognize that stepping away for a second is completely fine to dodge a couple of mob types, and learn to use it actively rather than reactively (though it doesn't lack in this department either as long as you know how to aim correctly), often times you get enough time to clear out high priority threats like swarm of macteras or clear out an entire swarm with just your fire grenade since the concentration is so high.

[still geode]

u can do all of those same things with t1 size too

the duration is the same

the only difference is that u dont get to pick the recharge mod

[random dust]

Wider shield is much more focused on reactive playstyle. Which imo is waste of a shield compared to using it actively because your team is wasting time resing someone when the damage they took could have been avoided in the first place and take that time to clear mobs.

[still geode]

big shield is absolutely a proactive playstyle, no point taking it outside of escort unless u specifically use it for area control

[random dust]

recharge mod so nice though. can't let go for me.

[still geode]

id much rather have a functional shield than a disfunctional one that comes back slightly faster

[random dust]

have you tried this week's edd as a gunner for stage 2

[still geode]

95% of gunners ive met who used small shield were using it really badly and shouldve just taken the normal sized shield

the other 5% had extremely specific playstyles that honestly were of questionable use despite working

[random dust]

duration for shield was so crucial for clutch situations to clear out hoards of macteras

well, hope they get better.

if someone drives horribly, it's not the car's fault

[still geode]

if one car drives badly its not the cars fault

if every car of a certain brand drives badly it makes u think

[random dust]

you wouldn't believe how many ppl work out the wrong way at the gym with the same machines

[still geode]

and yet despite that

the toilet isnt the right machine for a workout

despite being located at the gym

[random dust]

😂 😂

I mean do you think you perform better with a wider shield as a gunner?

Personally.

Whereas you tried small shield and you were much worse in that case

[still geode]

also like literally all ur counterarguments have been "just ignore the shields downside its not actually that big of a downside"

[random dust]

For me, I have zero complains when someone brings a small shield because I understand how it works and I know I can clear out mobs comfortably. Whereas if they bring a wider shield it almost has no benefits for me because it doesn't bring anything on the table for my skillset.

That's the point

[still geode]

then u have no skillset

🤷‍♀️

[random dust]

it's not a comfortable house to stay cozy inside

poke your head

it's fine

it still works

understand the primary purpose of it which is to avoid projectiles and clear mobs

[still geode]

yeah i understand basic game mechancis

[random dust]

then what of it do you have complains about

unless you can't handle it

[still geode]

the fact that small shield sucks

[random dust]

well that is very articulate

maybe you just don't know how to use it

ah well

[still geode]

i indeed do not know how to excercise on the toilet

[random dust]

that came out of your mouth not mine haha

figures

[thick sapphire]

even for myself my tendency is to save shield for shit hitting the fan or is otherwise about to, the problem is often it's hard to gauge when shit's about to hit the fan until people start going down

but that comes with experience

[random dust]

oh yes I agree with you. it's no problem though we're all here to learn.

to be fair you can play however you want. the game allows that which is nice.

[thick sapphire]

i mean sometimes it's more obvious in a black box/salvage situation when the entire team has to stay in a small area anyways

[forest carbon]

When there is a lot of pearls but I’m forced to skip it bc it’s 10 aquarq 12 gunk seed solo mission

[still geode]

id rather skip the gunk seeds and get the pearls

[forest carbon]

I should have done that tbh

[thick sapphire]

at which point my tendency is to throw shield as soon as we're getting a lot of bugs in the zone, or if there are a lot of nasties like mactera etc. that we're not quickly clearing out

[forest carbon]

Aquarq is the only mission where I feel super rushed

[random dust]

it's entirely fine to misplay. as long as you recognize it that's growth.

I remember when I was lvl 100, heck even around 500 I was learning stuff

[thick sapphire]

it's more the random swarms and stuff where everyone can be running around where it's harder to gauge shield

[still geode]

in those situations ur often best off just focusing on keeping urself alive

[random dust]

just throw it down and see. sometimes it won't be worth it but it is what it is

[still geode]

its their fault for not sticking with the gunner

if u overextend trying to keep someone alive whos not sticking with you it just results in both of you going down

but if you keep yourself alive you got the option to use a shield for a revive to get them up again

[random dust]

I think I know where he's coming from now. He's more focused on reactive playstyle, which is fine.

but math if you wanna be better at active shield playstyle, you just gotta throw it down and see. comes with experience.

won't know until you fail a lot

[still geode]

im super duper active with my shield usage lol

at least compared to what u see in the majority of lobbies

[random dust]

yea but you're encouraging him to save it for reactive play to res ppl. he's talking about not knowing when to throw it down for active play.

[still geode]

there are some really good gunners out there who shield way better than me

yeah so use it actively to keep yourself alive

because you can always use it reactively to revive someone else

if they actually play as a team and dont just run off on their own u can actively keep them alive too

but if u try chasing them while they run around like a headless chicken you just both end up dead

[random dust]

yea I agree most ppl will come running to the shield haha.

not a lot of scouts but they be their own thing I guess

[thick sapphire]

or say i make a mistake kiting and get surrounded so i shield myself

[tall relic]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[wise surge]

Completed my first deep dive today

[split anchor]

thinking of doing EDD solo, any build and class tips to use?

feelin slightly afraid of mactera with black box hh

[chilly lotus]

Big shield is a must in coop
But small shield has the shortest cooldown with almost same defensive duration (0.5sec difference), very good for hardest contents where you need 2 gunners, while that 1 gunner is medic gunner

[chilly lotus]

That will be tons of essay, sadly..
But high haz need builds about aoe, aoe CC + single target

[zinc current]

that EDD was pain

[hardy night]

what's up with the EDD stage 3 cave generation

like why is it so terrible lol

and we had a dreadnaught spawn of twins in the 3rd stage too

so much

[lavish hill]

The terrain, twins and volatile gut swarmaggedon

[fresh tangle]

elite deep dive really is something

having a really rough time even on stage 2

[lavish hill]

Yeah, my team barely survived the mactera plague in stage two and we just couldn't survive stage 3 thanks to near constant swarmers

[fresh tangle]

you want to team up ?

[lavish hill]

I'm unfortunately in a lecture right now

[fresh tangle]

it's ok

[mental kettle]

hello

how do i surive macter plauge

[lavish hill]

Don't stop moving and shoot the glowy bits

Or bring driller cyro main or scout Cryo nade

[mental kettle]

any tips for engie

[lavish hill]

Try to let turrets do the heavy lifting, Loki with executioner oc does wonders for weakspot damage

[mental kettle]

so 2 or 1 turret

[lavish hill]

Two, either for crossfire killzones or to have one as a backup for quick deployment

[mental kettle]

alright

[lavish hill]

Decoy nades are helpful in getting bugs to go elsewhere for a bit but shredders can kill them reasonably quickly. Especially swarmers.

[candid summit]

Dose anyone want to do that deep dive?

[livid drift]

hello

im scout

how can I join a voice pod?

[bitter canyon]

ya need roles

in #welcome-and-rules

[livid drift]

yup

done

[bitter canyon]

gl miner

[quasi bolt]

is it just me struggling af with the DD elite this week?

[peak prawn]

stage 2 is hell hole

the edd

[quasi bolt]

ok so not just me Xd

[peak prawn]

i cant move past it

[restive steppe]

edd 3rd stage was hell without driller

[thick sapphire]

mactera hole

[limber pond]

😋

[wraith shard]

Can someone who has already completed the EDD this week help me with mine? After 13 failed attempts(and not making it past the 1ST STAGE) I think its time to ask for help

[lusty coral]

THERES A DEEP ROCK REFERENCE IN CLASH ROYALE

[foggy harness]

I just did the roller coaster achievement. 180 seconds long, yet I STILL didn't get it

Wtf happened

[burnt sandal]

are you using mods ?

[foggy harness]

No

I'm on Xbox

Lol

Oh shit

Wrong chat lol

[raven oar]

sa

turkıs

Does anybody speak Turkish

[burnt sandal]

#fan-communities

[raven oar]

which is turkish server

[untold saddle]

https://discordapp.com/invite/NYmdykf

[ancient sapphire]

If you get lucky with randoms, you can get carried like I did

[random dust]

lmk if you still need it

ran it back to back for 2 days straight for fun

3 scouts 1 driller was the most fun teamcomp so far

[waxen matrix]

why cant i write in other chats

btw im looking for comrades to deep dive

[civic yoke]

get roles on #welcome-and-rules

new people always come to this channel to ask idk why mods haven't done anything about it

[next pebble]

cause mods don't have the power to do anything about it

[civic yoke]

ah I see, my bad then

[waxen matrix]

oh thanks

[cinder tiger]

Any reccomendations for doing this edd solo? I have pretty unstable internet so there's very little choice

[wraith shard]

I've tried scout prom. 2, engie prom. 1, and gunner prom. 1

ik

yeah

field medic, iw

resupplier, deep pockets, veteran depsoitor

the main problem is surviving its the sheer amount of bugs especially in stage 2 with the mactera swarm

I don't know if i do enough dmg

my scout uses m1000 with 12213 and my zhukovs with the imbedded detonators overclock, using 11232

it'd be cool but I dont have the overclocks

what build should i use for my engineer, maybe its time to switch classes for edd

i have fat boy too

is it good for edd?

i thought the ammo would be a problem

[civic yoke]

it is

but if u can get the best out of it fat boy its a good choice

but if you use Fatboy to kill the same amount of bugs that 2 breach cutter shots would, the choice its easy

[random dust]

most ppl hitting 20 deaths average this edd from what I've seen

[wraith shard]

yeah

[random dust]

yea I did idk 20+ runs

I had to res ppl a lot

with gunner I had to res like 40+ times

[civic yoke]

I had a run with a scout that had 40 downs lol

[random dust]

one of the runs they were all downing constantly I was like okay I'll just solo dreads

scout is rly op in this edd surprisingly

bonk and move away bonk and move away yeah

[wraith shard]

for me the dreads are easy, its the mactera plague that fucks me up on the second stage

[random dust]

that's alright. it's like driving a car. don't know the extension of your character or parameter in the beginning

[civic yoke]

just dodge

[random dust]

scout pheromon gren disables all masteras. it's so funny

ran as 3 scouts. macteras were jokes

[civic yoke]

I think mactera tryes to predic your movement just like sting tails, go In the opposite direcy

direction*

lazy to edit

[random dust]

#drg-gallery posted reference here just now

[civic yoke]

yeah just like stingtails, you can stand still, and as soon as they make that weird sound, just move to the side

or again, if u have a swarm behind u, change direction

even if u dash they will grab u

[random dust]

I like being grabbed my stingtail oddly. I bonk it at the last second.

[civic yoke]

all fun until they send you to the atmosphere of hoxxes

[random dust]

love it when they lauch you into the air

[civic yoke]

I thought they fixed that

they didn't

[random dust]

if it's on the high ground like ceiling I think it still does that

catapult

[civic yoke]

I love the laws of physics

[random dust]

what they need to fix is walls lauching scouts into the ground

instant death

[civic yoke]

me walking on a 90° slope

[random dust]

gravity boots would be sick

[random dust]

my offer still stands if you're looking to clear. I have 1 more run left in me.

[civic yoke]

knowing R&D they would just combine some shoes and plungers

[random dust]

I'd love any new content

[civic yoke]

gotta wait 6 months

[wraith shard]

I'll be on in a few hours so I'll msg you if you want to do it then but its ok if you dont

[random dust]

lmk

Haz 6 would be great

and higher difficulty than EDD

[civic yoke]

Reminder that haz 5 wasn't a thing, if they add haz 6, then people will ask for haz 7

[random dust]

I say why not haha

cater to all players

[civic yoke]

at least steam players can mod it in

[random dust]

might create more elitists but majority is casual so I think it's alright

problem I have with modded lobbies is it's hard to find the one to your liking. too many cheesy stuff like stormtrooper + everyone nuking over and over

one lobby it was invincibility. silly

[civic yoke]

where it's the fun in that lol, could accomplish the same thing on haz 1 if they turn on god mode

[random dust]

I just avoid all modded lobbies

[still geode]

so add haz7

it stops at either 7 or 8

8 is a silly difficulty

theres little reason to go beyond 7 and no reason to go beyond 8

[quasi sleet]

it would be nice if they added another thing other than EDD for endgame content, but something other than haz 6

[ancient cove]

Miner Six, Going Deep

[ancient cove]

wtf with Greenbeards in EDD again

really bad, no communication, no game awareness. Dying and leaving in the second stage

[civic yoke]

just had a run and one guy left 3 minutes in after dying to the turrets like 4 times, there were 2 drillers and none of them drilled under the turret control even tho I told them and also died, host aborted the edd lol

[ancient cove]

Lately the game is full of clueless greenbeards

I wrote in my EDD description "A good Gunner Required".
A lvl30 bronze promotion joined. He was even using voice chat, so I let it play out. But he died all the time to fall damage.
Scout and Engi weren't better and no communication. Scout died in the Second stage few times and left

What I also don't understand. I run with Iron Will to the drop pod, while all were down, but the drop pod hasn't left. I'm not 100% about this mechanic, but from my knowledge, as soon you touch the green the drop pod leaves, if all other dwarfs are down

[random dust]

idk what it is but happens sometimes

pod doesn't leave even if nobody is IWing but just down and you in the pod

greens are nice though. maybe not at all times but at least makes me think outside the box

prime example just now, ran edd we struggled with dreads probably due to lack of dps focusing so I had to lure one away.

and then there was a green I saw earlier that cussed at the host for telling him what to do then got kicked LOL

[still geode]

if someone has iw available and hasnt used it yet but is dead, the droppod won't leave

[random dust]

oh that's what it is. that's inconvenient.

[lost prism]

I have a major skill issue and would like tips for EDDs (me and my team always die at stage 2), can people give some advice?

[random dust]

pheromon grenade for second stage macteras

engi use plats to make flat surfaces or roofs

gunner utilize ziplines for defensive

driller go brr. focus on pipe paths

if you're standing around doing not much, it'll be rough.

always find something to do

general tips I suppose

[still geode]

cryo grenades are good for mactera too

coilgun with fear is crazy goodv s them

hellfire just toasts em

mactera plague is piss easy with hellfire

[bleak zinc]

This... This elite deep dive...

My god

I'm genuinely convinced something about it is legit broken

[ancient cove]

What do you mean?

[sweet hedge]

yo I wouldn't be doing this unless it was the last resort and I can't message in any other server but all of my save data just got reset can anybody help me out

[ancient cove]

read #welcome-and-rules and get your roles there

[bleak zinc]

Stage 1 of the elite was pretty damn spicy, but we managed. But when we stepped off the pod stage 2 and there were already what seemed like several dozen mactera that had us completely surrounded, I couldn't help but feel something was very wrong here.

[random dust]

haz 4 and 5 often have mobs already there when you land

[ancient cove]

Well, it's called ELITE Depp Dive for a reason 😂
It's just most of the time too easy, so now as soon it has a proper difficulty all got a problem with it

My problem is no the difficulty but Greenbeards, who aren't even playing Hazard 5 on daily basis are jumping in.
As soon I open a lobby, it's full with low level, low ranked players, who don't even read the lobby description and don't write in chat

[random dust]

that's toxic brah

you were green once

[ancient cove]

I don't have a problem with new players and never limit my lobbies to "lvl200+ only" or similar, but they are simply ignorant

[bleak zinc]

I've done haz 4 missions before, so I know a thing or two about them. This one just feels like a different animal from the 2 elite deep dives I've been on before.

[random dust]

some EDDS are really easy. this one is just harder.

[ancient cove]

Because last EDD was mega easy, and the week before last it wasn't hard as well

[random dust]

some of us enjoy it for the difficulty and a lot of ppl suffer

[stray kraken]

Playing engineer and placing half my damn platforms to scale any hill whatsoever

[bleak zinc]

I like a good challenge for sure. I'm planning to try and take this one on again, but I just need a bit to mentally recover from the hour and a half revive juggling that was this attempt. Lol

[random dust]

just need one good leader in a chaotic team from experience

[bleak zinc]

We made it all the way to stage 3 but got swarmed just as we were pushing the button to start pumping and got fucked

[random dust]

you killed the dreads?

[bleak zinc]

We decided to save the dreadnought for last. We'd just connected the third pumpjack.

[random dust]

so you can't push the button until you kill the dreads

fyi

[bleak zinc]

To start pumping?

[random dust]

yup

[still geode]

refinery in deep dives requires completion of secondary before it can be started

[bleak zinc]

Okay, good to know.

[random dust]

almost there though. that's pretty good. if you can clear stage 2, 3 should take a couple more tries.

[buoyant glade]

swarmagedon on elite ddeep dive

looks like i'll wait for next week to have fun i guess........

[still geode]

just play sticky flame driller

[buoyant glade]

yeah but what if i don't want to have to spec for the single mission in the deep dive because that's lame as fuck

[tall relic]

Sticky flame driller is also garbage against the dreads

[near island]

Just joined this discord to say what the fuck was the elite stage 2
How did anyone else get through stage 2 and 3

[random dust]

you play long enough, it becomes easier

like you can even sense stuff before they happen

[half vine]

i let them grab me and then just unload my entire arsenal on them and power attack their ass into hoxxes orbit

[bold zodiac]

Yo any recommended driller loadouts for this EDD?

[civic drum]

new here, I have had DRG for a few weeks but I can't play it. I've re-installed multiple times and I've restarted my PC multiple times. Can someone help me out or point me in the direction of someone who can?

[fossil onyx]

Honestly my recommended loadout would be to not put on Driller at all for the EDD LOL

[bold zodiac]

Lmao

[fossil onyx]

Soooo many Dreadnoughts that every other class can deal with better

[bold zodiac]

Was thinking driller cuz of the refinery mission at the end

You could prob get away with plats only tho

i got to the final stage with just the normal comp with 4 players but the gunner (and host) went afk on stage 3

[rigid badge]

We failed it 3x

Stage 2

Mactera hell

Even tried running cryo

[bold zodiac]

oh hell nah that opener sucks balls 💀

[river sedge]

can u get caretaker fights on Deep Dives?

[rigid badge]

probably

[bold zodiac]

yes

they suck

[humble harbor]

we had one recently, but it was easy considering everything

gigantic open arena full of pillars for mole to one shot caretaker parts

[high edge]

Anyone else think deep dives are due for a facelift?

Just in general

[zinc pecan]

Im new-ish to the game and I only realized now that I've done a deep dive like 4 times in a row and I thought i was getting new stuff each time lol

[random dust]

ok I ran edd for 3 days straight now. I probably shoulda played Baldur's gate 3

need edd rehab

[undone pecan]

Is trapping the invisible exploder possible?

[old widget]

Do you mean the Unlnown Horror? If so, no, it can dig like a bulk detonator and can’t be trapped

It does have an aggro range though. It is possible in some caves to get it aggroed on one dwarf and all other dwarves get far enough away that it won’t switch targets. Then the lone dwarf can keep it busy

[daring sandal]

i keep forgetting deep dives are the same for everyone and not randomly generated

[rigid badge]

stage 2 on the edd

is absolute hell

[daring sandal]

even normal dd scares me

i find drg for some reason gives me really bad ping compared to any other game so that doesn't help

[rigid badge]

normal one is fine

unless you get shield disruption + data

[vital olive]

sorry if this is annoying but how do i talk in #drg-chat ?

[burnt sandal]

read #welcome-and-rules and pick a role

[fathom shore]

Any suggestions for what i should run on scout for the edd

[vital olive]

Thank you, totally missed that

[final oxide]

Rock and stone , anyone ?

[candid summit]

ROCK AND STONE YAY

[forest carbon]

Rock and stone you beautiful dwarves

[candid summit]

ROCKEDY ROCKEDY STONE

[gusty maple]

IF YOU DONT ROCK AND STONE, YOU AINT COMING HOME

[candid summit]

I got in to drg like 3 months ago and who is carl

[gusty maple]

1. *Karl 2. Karl is the best dwarf ever and you should respect him very much

[hollow kelp]

Hey how do I meet people to play with?

[rancid cedar]

try #steam-profile-sharing

[bleak zinc]

To give you a non-meme answer, we don't actually know. The player dwarves just speak very highly of Karl and we take their word for it. Theory has it he died slaying the Glyphid Queen while under the influence of Skullcrusher ("Die like your mother did!")

[candid summit]

So that’s y they say that well that makes more sense

But the dumbest thing is drg THERES NO KITCHEN the dwarves even say “after this it’s sandwich time”

[bleak zinc]

Hmm... A kitchen with sandwich crafting to go with our beer could be fun.

Like eating before a hunt in Monster Hunter.

[restive steppe]

This week edd made me question my gaming skill

[wraith shard]

That's basically what the beers are

But I sure wouldn't mind if we had 2 systems like that

Especially if the robots serving it do a cute jingle like the felynes in monster hunter

[fathom shore]

I cant get a competent team on edd its killing me

[rigid badge]

happens

[lavish hill]

Ah stage 2 of EDD, thank you shredder nade and turrets. And a lot of last second revives. Honestly was a miracle my team made it through, though naturally we didn't survive stage 3 afterwards.

[runic relic]

Solo it, unless you cant be a competent Team with Bosco either

[woven panther]

https://youtu.be/2WfHgzMTxRM?si=TPqHFy7gIj_pjbem

[olive acorn]

yeah whoever thought mactera plague on stage 2 was a good idea is a leaf lover

[brazen willow]

MUSHROOM

[wraith shard]

The only oc i have for my nishanka is Fire Bolt, so what should a build with that look like?

Bulk, dread gaurd, nemesis, with an egg swarm

[pulsar stream]

Mosquitoes during summer

[outer cloud]

12111

[lost prism]

should you do black box first on stage two or mine the aquarqs first?

[alpine olive]

this second stage elite dive is the hardest ive seen in a long while

i feel like the game upped mactera plagues period

[lost prism]

haz 5 is much easier, i know, i played it everyday when i was promoting all my dwarves

[lost prism]

i have been told that stage 3 is even worse

[alpine olive]

the moment you step off the drop pod on dive 2 its just

immediate death, if you dont have someone stay in the pod

an there's no way to really recover

[lost prism]

or you can go as driller and build a bunker

[alpine olive]

def a good try, but ours ended up fucking us

ran out of ammo

[lost prism]

the thing is, when you exit stage 1, you gotta immediately call in a resupply since the dreadnought or the swarms have drained your ammo

[runic relic]

Just call resup at the end of stage 1 then, possibly while waiting on molly

[ancient cove]

Finally, EDD finished. Was pretty easy with a decent team, even played Scout

[bleak zinc]

You're not wrong, but if I'm understanding the system correctly, most of the beers that give actual buffs are daily specials you have no control over.

Or to set sandwiches apart, maybe they could be like "Buffs to Go" that you bring on missions. Like, you could eat a sandwich and take half damage for a minute or maybe just to pop an emergency health restore. Have the text for expanded ammo finally make sense. (Please don't make Ammo capacity actually affect sandwich capacity)

[zenith ember]

you can change the buff beers by pressing the "disband team" button. Not intended, but allows you to cycle for the beer you want (usually red rock blaster)

or pass/fail a mission

[dense pebble]

Stage 2 was rough, but 3 was really confined and annoying to fight in

I haven’t used bunkers in a long time, but my team had to for this EDD

[lavish hill]

My team took too long and got worn down by swarmers, followed by mactera

Really hating this EDD

[civic yoke]

Man people really having trouble with that second stage, if you're getting overwhelmed try to run some sort of cryo, fear or pheromones, stun could also help

yeah new players can be a burden because they don't know better, teaching them is the best, I always told them to find something to do to get the mission done faster

[lavish hill]

We got stage 1 and 2 done fine, just stage 3 terrain and sudden swarmers really wore us down as we tried to build pipes

[civic yoke]

In my opinion swarmers are way easier than mactera, a good build for swarms gets the job done

just run damage on a weapon because dreadnoughts

I actually like deep dives like this, where you really have to try to win, but that's because I play a lot

[forest carbon]

2nd stage is def worse

Aquarq is non stop swarms and every actual swarm is tons and tons of mactera

Black box also one of more difficult side objectives

With mactera makes it a headache

[forest carbon]

Yeah take your time. Liquid morkite has timed swarms but they are consistent. It’s not like aquarq where it’s gets progressively overwhelming

Refinery also has plenty of nitra

Having one driller speeds it up too

[forest carbon]

I enjoyed this EDD. I failed like 10+ times before I got it solo

[ancient cove]

Take guns to deal with them fast and take Thorns perk.
Drillers Microwave is very good to deal with swarmers, even without sticky flames or goo (sludge).
Biggest problem with most unexperienced people is that they don't stay mobile.
Escpecially as gunner it's important to place smart Zipline to use in the 3rd Stage, so swarmers can't get you.
Driller has many ways to deal with them, Scout have to grapplehook around caves on cooldown and Engi is better staying with Gunner on Ziplines and use Shard Diffractor

In Stage 2, it's important to move around a lot and have terrain to take cover from Matera.
It's more important to not get hit than to kill them fast.
For Driller to freeze Mactera, it takes a bit of time and he has to be on close range, while he is freezing there is a high chance that he will get hit by multiple projectiles and die or be very low on HP

[civic yoke]

If you get used to 4 players haz4/5 games, solo gets easier, everytime I play solo it feels that the enemies have no health

[ancient cove]

In my case, our Driller had the Sludge pump, shot Macteras with sludge and run away, it's also a good strategy, to let them die slowly why you dodge projectiles

[forest carbon]

Solo was only a hassle bc mactera plague

I swear it feels like 4 player mactera spawn rate when solo

[forest carbon]

I do haz 5 exclusively. It’s a lot of fun

[civic yoke]

remember you have all the ammo pod for you, so get the best out of it

[compact prairie]

What are the strange pillar things at the 1st stage of edd

[civic yoke]

Trying to understand what you're taking about but idk what those strange pillars are lol

[burnt sandal]

Given it's Azure Weald, I imagine it's the POQ crystals, so :

The errorhenge, as I like to call it. Gives 50% damage resistance to anything within it (enemies and dwarves), and last for 15s once you're out of it.

[civic yoke]

wait is there one of those in the edd?

haven't seen it

[compact prairie]

Really? We destroyed it out of curiousity

[compact prairie]

It's like, near the ceilimg

[lost prism]

so
strategy for stage 2
make a driller drill a bunker that the black box will fall into
make engie cover up the bunker
and turn on the black box
then go on a scavenger hunt for aquarqs and launch the minehead

[civic yoke]

Wich stage? now I'm curious

I have played this edd like 20 times lol

[compact prairie]

Stage1, they look like pylons with white cracks

And if you ping it, it'll show weird name

[lost prism]

(thats at least how I and a team of randoms succeeded)

[civic yoke]

yeah I know how they look, I just haven't seen it, idk how

[lost prism]

then we got kicked around by dreadnoughts on stage 3

and died

was fun tho

definetely not worth the reward i got, but fun

[forest carbon]

Make sure u have plenty of room. If it’s too small u get like 2-3 goo bombers that fly in and tank all the damage

[lost prism]

but dont have too much room because then engie wont be able to close the bunker

[forest carbon]

U can also cheese it pretty easily without bunkering. Using 4 pheromone nades can stall long enough to get you through

Save gunner shield when things get dicey

[civic yoke]

wdym, I haven't done a bunker in years but usually you make a vertical hole, expand it with C4, and a single platform closes it

[forest carbon]

This is why I don’t like solo driller. If u make a single mistake in bunker ur screwed

Bc u cant fill up the hole

[rancid cedar]

that’s like the worst kind of bunker lol

i call that the noob grave

[forest carbon]

Just drill large area under the black box

And ur fine

[civic yoke]

yeah but you make a long tunnel for bugs to come in

[forest carbon]

Any holes use engi platform

[rancid cedar]

under bunkies are fun since you aren’t forcing anyone to be in it with you

[forest carbon]

Yeah dig it very far away long tunne and then make larger space directly under black box

[civic yoke]

like having no way for bugs to get you it's like very risky lol

[forest carbon]

Just have tunnel good distance away. They will funnel there as long as it’s not too far

[civic yoke]

if shit hits the fan a good driller always makes an emergency exit, if not you are fucked

can always try the black box again tho

[forest carbon]

When the bulk says hello

Like what do u actually do in salvage uplink if solo and bulk

Can u retry those?

[civic yoke]

nah

[forest carbon]

So uplink bulk is just tank and use IW i guess

[civic yoke]

if you have scout they should get the aggro

[forest carbon]

I mean solo

But in team yeah

[civic yoke]

well you are fucked

[forest carbon]

[civic yoke]

you have Bosco tho

[random dust]

from what ive seen you can retry uplink if it's secondary

[forest carbon]

As long as u can kill it bosco can rez at least after

[civic yoke]

it's always secondary

the black box I mean

[random dust]

uplink in main missions?

not those

you fail you fail

[forest carbon]

Yeah

So bulk solo there is horrendous

[rancid cedar]

it’s a primary on salvage

salvage uplink will fail the mission but secondary black box won’t

[civic yoke]

well that's obvious, why would we do black box twice lol

[lost prism]

black box in this EDD needs to be done ASAP since if you dont, well then good luck dealing with 234 quintillion macteras

[forest carbon]

[civic yoke]

also iirc black box can't appear as secondary on salvage

[forest carbon]

Imagine if morkite and morkite secondary

[civic yoke]

yoooo

[random dust]

dread on dread

fea on fea

he's saying not all black box fails or gives you retry. depends on primary or secondary.

[lost prism]

imagine if egg and egg secondary

[civic yoke]

6 morkite wells

[lost prism]

black box is only secondary

[forest carbon]

I changed my mind with solo EDD. I thought driller was best but I’m pretty confident in it being scout

[rancid cedar]

i never said they appeared at the same time. I’m just saying which one fails the mission

[civic yoke]

scout it's always good cause grapple, you see problem, you say adios

[lost prism]

i will never go on solo edd (probably)
as i said, i have a major skill issue and bosco aint gonna cut it

[civic yoke]

Bosco doesn't have a backpack that big

edd Bosco only

[forest carbon]

I was convinced scout was subpar bc black box but pheromone solves that issue

[wraith shard]

Uhhh.

How do I join a union here?

[burnt sandal]

read #welcome-and-rules, pick a role and then head to #drg-chat and read the pinned messages

if you've already interacted with the ingame panel, you just let the bot update your status. It might take some time.

[forest carbon]

Proper gear can help too. Drak with AV is a very solid solo scout option

Allows him to cc and is amazing self defense tool

[civic yoke]

people sleeps on pheromones a lot, they are so useful

[forest carbon]

I have never swapped off them

They are great at stalling and entire swarm

[civic yoke]

and if u throw it to bigger enemies they end up killing most of the bugs

but that's more useful on the crossbow

shoot a oppressor and that's it

[forest carbon]

Opressor is S tier pheromone target. The aoe slam one taps grunts

[forest carbon]

My fav setup is Drak AV, jumbo shell boom stick and pheromone. Covers cc ST and allows you to do salvage/ black box. Super good generalist build

I’m debating not even taking ammo for boom stick and going dmg with jumbo shells bc I only use it vs Hvt

[civic yoke]

My build is almost the same but I use m1k armor break and more focus shoot damage with hoverclock because I like going spiderman mode

[bleak zinc]

Damn... Had one of my best runs yet, tried to type a congratulatory message as Mission Control gave his end of mission incoming drop pod on stage 2... And instantly got obliterated by a dozen Mactera before I could even type "Great job all"

90% sure I cost us that run...

[candid summit]

Thanks

[forest carbon]

How do u cc if u bring m1k. Fire bolt? Or just pheromone and boom stick

[sullen pagoda]

why cant i talk in drg chat

[candid summit]

I’m wondering the same think to

[burnt sandal]

@candid summit @sullen pagoda read #welcome-and-rules and pick a role

[civic yoke]

I usually don't cc a lot as scout, but mk1 can do it all, maybe group the bugs so I can ignite with boomstick, or just use a phero grenade.

[forest carbon]

How do u cc though when solo scout

U just kite and let bosco whittle them down

[civic yoke]

with the boomstick or the mk1, maybe I bring fire bolt and shoot one if enough bugs are together, if not I just use pheromones.

again, you have the whole resupply

[forest carbon]

Ik but on like aquarq I feel if I don’t bring drak av I’m kiting the entire time. Bc it literally takes too long to kill the endless swarms

[civic yoke]

Maybe I got used to the m1k, Drak is not a bad choice for solo tho

[woeful garden]

EDD stage 2 is just straight up ridiculous how hard it is

tried to solo it got overwhelmed by 75 trijaws 38 goo bombers 27 slashers 5 slingtails during blackbox

[bitter canyon]

did you count them

[wicked turret]

is there a way to make it so that deep dives give me overclocks for the class i'm using

[burnt sandal]

nope, it's all random

[wicked turret]

ah welp

thanks for the answer

[ancient sapphire]

There's a way

But not sure if it's against tos or if we can even discuss it here

Oh not the deep dive itself, but there's way to get what you want

[fallow niche]

how do u iron sights

[wicked turret]

tell me

if not in here then in DMs

[ancient sapphire]

shifty eyes

[wraith shard]

The position of the black box is so stupid

Dying makes you lose twice the progress you made

Its fucking ridiculous

Also nitra is so scarce

[outer cloud]

good gunner helps a lot and scout with cryo nades if you're playing with team

[wraith shard]

I play solo

[outer cloud]

darn

[wraith shard]

I've only ever once succeeded with a team and I was being hard carried

I was the bad teammate

Any other time I do pub lobbies I feel like I'm the Greybeard carrying everyone else

I've also only ever once succeeded in soloing an EDD and that was the one everyone said was easy

Idr what it was called

[outer cloud]

do you have good ocs?

[wraith shard]

I think so

Rn im using driller

Because I'm not trying to stick around for a fucking 5.5 OSR

Also makes the twins free af and thats the only dreadnought in the edd

[outer cloud]

solo scout with pheromone grenades (and maybe bolts) can pretty much cheese anything

[wraith shard]

Problem is level 2 is cancer

[wraith shard]

Does it help with black box

[outer cloud]

you just throw the nades and bugs ignore you

while you do objectives

[wraith shard]

Alright imm be playing some scout

Stage 3 is gonna be so aids tho

[outer cloud]

if you have fire or cryo bolts they destroy swarmers

fire is better with pheromones of course

a few bolts and you annihilate the entire swarm

[wraith shard]

I only have cryo

[outer cloud]

yea should be good enough, you can go something like blowthrough m1k to make good use of them

oh and t5b fear is good against mactera too

[wraith shard]

Alright my nishanka is 13111

With cryo

[outer cloud]

yea that's good

if you like m1k i would go 23112

oneshot trijaws with focus shots and you still get blowthrough

[wraith shard]

So is this a hip fire build?

[outer cloud]

it's a good generalist build

works best with minimal clips oc imo

[wraith shard]

I do not have that

[outer cloud]

it's good without ocs because m1k is really good in general

[wraith shard]

I have SCC hoverclock hipster and Active Stability System

[outer cloud]

hoverclock and ASS are fine too

[woeful garden]

yep

[outer cloud]

you can also go hipster but personally i can't give up the focus shots

[wraith shard]

I'm tempted to but one shotting trijaws sounds too good

[outer cloud]

2311x also oneshots acid spitters with focus body shot which is nice

[wraith shard]

No contest

Fuck acid spitters

Bosco really loves to let them live

And miss his rockets on them

[outer cloud]

bosco is a janky boi but sometimes the cryo rockets can be decent against mactera too

[wraith shard]

I didnt think about that

Do they get 1 shot frozen

[outer cloud]

yeah

[wraith shard]

Alright

Does 21241 sound good