deep-dive-discussion

[desert lynx]

and the carve radius is tiny

[blissful elk]

But most fat boy users I've seen shoot it at large targets instead of grunts which is what bothers me the most

Also since this is the deep dive channel, the amount of people I've seen bring fat boy to EDD is annoying.

[desert lynx]

one shot can render a praetorian pack essentially helpless if you take the stun but it's mid against oppressors(like every other pgl oc not named hyper prop)

it's good for ticking a hiveguard because it doesn't resist radiation for whatever reason and it's good for vents + gills

[blissful elk]

The most baffling is when we fail, and when we try again they're still bringing fat boy

[desert lynx]

and it's probably my favorite way of taking out sentinels

[desert lynx]

I'm not convinced fat boy is the issue

[blissful elk]

It would definitely help to bring something else

[desert lynx]

I suppose I build more for primary reliance but I've also had successful runs with fat boy running unstable ammo and turret whip

[blissful elk]

Since it is a gimmick oc and if you've failed an edd run, you'd think "ok time to get something better"

[desert lynx]

that's more like a skill issue than an equipment issue

[blissful elk]

So you're blaming people who blame fat boy poorly?

Because that's what I've been getting at the whole time, it's just most people who stubbornly insist on using fat boy use it poorly

[desert lynx]

unless a mission specifically counters fat boy use(twin dreads) or has low complexity it's not a disadvantage by any means

[blissful elk]

"yes shoot the swarmers off our downed teammate with it, now we must wait to revive him"

[desert lynx]

you began by stating that fat boy objectively sucks, which is clearly not the case

[blissful elk]

Then I should rephrase then

I concede that fat boy has its uses and can be used effectively

[desert lynx]

oh btw it's about the only thing engie has with terrain damage other than the platform reactive oc for the uhh
laser thingy

[blissful elk]

But personally I still believe it has too many drawbacks to be considered beyond a gimmick oc, and lots of people don't see it that way and think it's an easy to use win button

[earnest geode]

How many ammo does fat boy even got?

[blissful elk]

5 at most

[desert lynx]

the power of fat boy also scales(maybe more exponentially this time) with the amount of nitra you have

5

max 5

one of my favorite fat boy situations is an escort with enough resups such that no one gives a shit about double dipping, and I just conveyor out nukes at anything that spawns

[blissful elk]

Cool

I still hate it tho

[desert lynx]

if you can convince your team to give you a whole pod you can probably sit through 2 or 3 haz 5 swarms by yourself

not sure on how good it is in radioactive exclusion zone tho

[chilly wigeon]

Sounds like a skill issue

[desert lynx]

that's the one thing I'm not sure on
whether radsploders and radswarmers are immune to fat boy fallout or just the environmental crystals

they seem to be the same effect

[chilly wigeon]

It’s def not overkill there have been many instances were I’ll nuke whole swarm with 1 fatboy

[desert lynx]

so I just take discount fat boy(clean sweep) instead

[blissful elk]

Ffs this is what I mean

[desert lynx]

just bring friendly

[chilly wigeon]

Ahh

[desert lynx]

and the fallout isn't an issue really unless you have shield disruption or is in hollow bough

well not for me at least

the first shot kills the most as far as I've seen

[blissful elk]

Try to dispell the notion that fat boy is a great oc and all the fat boy users come out claiming it's actually good, when nearly every fat boy user I've seen in public lobbies uses it like an idiot

Stupid oc

[desert lynx]

🤓

[chilly wigeon]

It is a great overclock just because people don’t use it correctly doesn’t mean it’s bad

I play haz 5 exclusively and use fatboy except on elimination and never have much a problem with it

[earnest geode]

I only play breach, because it's more versatile.

And more ammo.

[chilly wigeon]

I need to try breach

[earnest geode]

Oh yea, and the diff too. All 3 engi secondaries are good.

[desert lynx]

I can fucking never run out of ammo on breach

[chilly wigeon]

I just love being the fat boy engi will be hard to switch

[desert lynx]

Usually I interchange hyper prop or fat boy because I can't stand low ammo on shard diff

but I don't let myself resupply until I'm out of everything and I can simply not run out of breach

maybe I should take t2B instead of ammo

[earnest geode]

Other reasons I use breach is because I can maximize its output while kiting on open terrain.

[next whale]

🤔 ok first deep dive today... couldn't do it solo. was able to beat it in a party

[true rover]

What is the weapon overclock for dis week

[lost mortar]

this weeks elite deep dive is too hard

4 tries

and i’ve not made it past 2nd stage

[gleaming falcon]

i was going to go to bed but im more than happy to log on and help out

one and two shouldnt be too tough but its stage 3 thats bad

if you're interested?

[lost mortar]

mb for not responding

i’m not doing that deep dive no more

i’m going back to missions

thanks for the offer though

[burnt sandal]

they are randoms

[next bay]

<@&296918282403840000> bots are spamming in drg chat

[empty knoll]

bruh my eyes hurt seeing the spam

[dense sage]

oof ouchy my eyes

it keeps getting worse

[empty knoll]

the mod active rn

[deft shale]

Discord just took me on a joyride cause i pressed the see new messages button

[empty knoll]

@still sonnet

[sand bane]

What is happening

[empty knoll]

spam

[next bay]

there was another mod active when it started happening but then they went offline

[sand bane]

SWARM! IT'S A BIG ONE TEAM!

[deft shale]

there they go again

[empty knoll]

bruh my discord broke

[thorny gull]

It's just 80+ blocked messages per second

[deft shale]

how can the game be so not toxic and then this happens to the discord

[empty knoll]

fr it broke my discord

[short bloom]

oh dear lord, it's swarmaggeddon over at drg chat

[alpine mauve]

Game crashed when I started pump sequence on the last edd stage 😿

[snow hound]

The chat lit up like a Christmas tree

[short bloom]

dude, HAVE FUN with that, it took me 11 tries to come across a team that knew their stuff :/

[keen mural]

#drg-chat looking kinda,, fuckfest lol

[snow hound]

This is the refugee camp

[hollow barn]

what the hell did i come back too

[dense sage]

blocking did not work it somehow made it worse

[snow hound]

I messaged a mod so

[alpine mauve]

I was playing solo so it wasnt too bad, it's certainly a hard stage though

[short bloom]

I pinged everyone I could

[alpine mauve]

Carpet bomber shreds

[hollow barn]

oh shit TF2 is free

[snow hound]

They def need to add a verification step to get into this server

[keen mural]

fr

[alpine mauve]

Are they new joined accounts?

[snow hound]

Most likely

I wouldn’t think they’d be like, sleeper agents

[keen mural]

yep they got the funny leaf icon next to their names

[short bloom]

all of em have leaves so yeah

[alpine mauve]

I see

Bruh

[keen mural]

JESUS THEY FOUND THIS CHAT

[dense sage]

NO

[empty knoll]

fianlly

[alpine mauve]

okay so yeah, last stage is a lot of fun but you need to be prepared for it

[dense sage]

Oh yeah. Basically no time to set down pipes if you aren’t prepared for all the bugs

[modest tinsel]

why do I keep getting pinged in this channel, earlier a guy was trying to get banned and I just got pinged again :/

[dense sage]

maybe don’t have a name that starts with “mod”
people misclick a lot

[short bloom]

I don't think I've come across a edd this hard since the O2 fiesta last year

[modest tinsel]

i've had this username for almost 10 years tho T-T

[short bloom]

elite mactera are the worst, full stop

[dense sage]

you are at the top of the list for @Mod

maybe a slight variation like “The-“

[modest tinsel]

check my account, I am TheModdedOmega

[short bloom]

when I type @ along with mod, your name pops first

[olive flicker]

Pretty sure @s search both nickname and username.

[proud coyote]

Don't listen to them fatboy is what I run on edd that it's always carried me

[dense sage]

your season pass is maxed already?

[unique plover]

This week's edd is unusually hard

The elite mactera in 2nd stage suck

And I've only reached 3rd stage once and it was hell with second betc and two breeders

[chilly wigeon]

Yea the fat boy slander was ridiculous lol

[placid musk]

fatboy is the single most potent CC engineer has for his secondary, in terms of bugs killed per ammo

if you like teamplay run fat boy at your leisure

with ECR ofc

but this dive isn't fat boy friendly due to elite threat

[coral pond]

Ya know, i enjoy fat boy a lot. The rad field is awesome to look at and the initial explosion is great. But even i know how wrong that statement is purely because breach cutter exists and one shot can clear just as many bugs if not more

[ancient cove]

Breach Cutter is objectively better than Fat Boy. Also simple Deepcore with Pack Rat or Compact Rounds is more effective as well. You have more ammo to eliminate multiple small to middle size groups of bugs, which is much more common and won't get your team wiped, if misused.
Anyone who is using Fat Boy is doing it primary for fun, not for the optimal damage output.
Saying that Fat Boy is most effective is coping.

[tiny portal]

It is the most effective in time spent vs bugs killed

Also rj250 compound is better for ammo (and more fun to use)

I also think breach cutter is superior in general use but lets not skip over some positive fat boy facts

Fat boy is also objectively best in terms of fun

[proud coyote]

I don't know if fatboy is the most effective I haven't played others to compare - I just care that it works well even against elite threats, caretaker, dreadnoughts and bulks, even if I'm told it's bad against them, I just nuke them over and over and they fall

[chilly wigeon]

I kinda disagree I completed the EDD with fat boy and felt it was very effective

The second and final stages had huge swarms and the fat boy was great in those cases I guess it depends if your squad are doing their part because I’ve realized if engineers are doing the heavy lifting in terms of targeting different enemy types and controlling the swarm it can get dicey if they are using fat boy

[proud coyote]

With enough resupplies (2-3 pods), caretaker gets trivialised by fatboy. Shoot the open vents you can damage three per hits, then when the eyes open you dont care which way they face so you can stay inside your fortress. I make towers out of platforms and the ressuplies are behind, the sentries are on top of those, I spam shredder grenades so they're always active and keep resupplying => nuking

[chilly wigeon]

Fat boy works even better when your squad are killing all the big enemy types it allows you to focus on the swarms

[proud coyote]

fast resupply perk is a must have

[unique plover]

finally

[chilly wigeon]

Hyperprop is probably better for caretaker though

[unique plover]

took me 4 tries

[chilly wigeon]

In these cases I would 100% use hyperprop it’s just better than fatboy for these enemies trust me

[proud coyote]

Unsure, I should try it. It would do more single part damage but no hitting three vents in one explosion, and will have to run around into the open to shoot the eye

[unique plover]

it oneshots turrets and patrollers

[chilly wigeon]

Fatboy is great for nuking swarm as you know hyperprop deletes big enemy types

[unique plover]

so its super useful for sabo

[chilly wigeon]

If you run fatboy elimination it’s not super helpful for your squad

[proud coyote]

It is, if the squad accepts that I get half the resupplies of the team

[mellow cradle]

lmao

[coral pond]

Fun is subjective so, depends on what people find fun

[proud coyote]

I find a portable nuke launcher fun

[chilly wigeon]

Yea nah that doesn’t fly lol

[coral pond]

This is also not true considering fat boy struggles to kill anything stronger than a normal grunt with the rad field. And thanks to the tick rate, there's even the possibility of a grunt going all the way through the field and barely surviving

[proud coyote]

Flies pretty well in solo

[chilly wigeon]

But that’s not the purpose of fatboy

It’s not for killing large enemy types

[coral pond]

Fat boy is wasted on caretaker, especially if you have a driller who only needs 1 resupply pod

[chilly wigeon]

100%

[coral pond]

I'm referring to slashers and guards too

[proud coyote]

It's chip damage that combines pretty well with shredder swarm and sentries - swarm charging through that ? Ignore it it'll die quickly

[chilly wigeon]

Slashers don’t survive fatboy

[placid musk]

yeah

fat boy > c4

[mellow cradle]

they are talking about the rad field

[proud coyote]

I rarely see the driller do the c4 thing on caretaker

[placid musk]

for caretaker

[coral pond]

If they're not hit by the initial explosion, they definitely do survive

[proud coyote]

Nothing survives fatboy cause I have 600 nitra

[placid musk]

we bring lure for fat boy

for this specific reason

[coral pond]

Sounds like greenbeards who could use some teaching

[proud coyote]

Never got big success out of joining randoms, still sort of a greenbeard myself but edd always goes smoothly when I try solo

(running the fatboy)

[coral pond]

Cause you get like 1k nitra and 4 resupplies per pod all to yourself

The most killing power in fat boy is that initial explosion

[proud coyote]

Yeah ! I use the most nitrally challenged build (ultra fast shooting stubby, shredders, twin turrets)

[placid musk]

use ECR with fat boy

or run thorns

[proud coyote]

I have another build that's just full explosions (ecr, mines) but I just don't like the loki

[mellow cradle]

didn't know thorns could replace ecr

[coral pond]

Pog thorns, perfect swarmer control

[mellow cradle]

fr fr

[placid musk]

people don't wanna run ECR

ofc it's not a replacement

[proud coyote]

I don't like it they have to damage me for it to take effect

[placid musk]

ecr makes a fat boy sized explosion

[proud coyote]

no it does not 🤨

[placid musk]

it does

test it yourself

not damage

but the radius is equivalent to base fat boy

[coral pond]

Actually yeah, without any area increase mods they're both a 4m radius lmao

[mellow cradle]

that's true

albeit fatboy will usually have a 5 meter radius, because that's usually what people take in the 4th tier, and you can't change anything about ecr

still, pretty pathetic

[coral pond]

I've debated taking stun, hoping it'd get more kills from the rads. Haven't put it in practice yet tho

[mellow cradle]

or you can use lures

[coral pond]

Ya know, i never actually considered that

[warm knoll]

rock & stone?

[chilly wigeon]

Just completed the EDD again with some grey beards it was basically a speed run

[gleaming falcon]

how fast was it? :D

[solemn gazelle]

EDD is faster than the regular DD

[solemn gazelle]

Took me like 40 min for the DD and 30ish for EDD

[gleaming falcon]

nice time :D

[dusty spindle]

Is vampire driller on deep dive good?

[spiral badge]

Yeah, especially with IW

Driller is the only class I’d run vampire tbh

[gusty ingot]

Because it's busted, drills, pickaxe and axes all trigger vampire

[spiral badge]

Ya

I mean Driller is the melee class

[raven carbon]

Not even close to replacing it

[wraith shard]

This week's Elite Deep Dive is insane

the last map specifically

any tips? We tried hunkering in the pod and shooting but we run out of ammo

Getting out gets you sniped by spitters

[leaden cypress]

This EDD has a lot of nitra

[wraith shard]

they're just constantly coming in

[leaden cypress]

What happens in the last stage for you to run out of ammo ?

[wraith shard]

it's not that

we actually came in with full ammo

it's just the sheer number of enemies

more aoe

just eats up all the ammo and you can't call a resupply in the pod

[solemn gazelle]

More AOE with driller and gunner should do

[wraith shard]

hmm

[coral pond]

Seems like a good edd for bullet hell aggvent

[wraith shard]

I was the gunner, using the minigun with the stun chance on hit + bullet ricochet on enemies

very good to quickly stun entire waves

Might have to use to autocannon carpet bomber

[solemn gazelle]

You dont need to stun ennemies when they are dead :p

[wraith shard]

true lol

[gleaming falcon]

we had 1 driller (me) 2 scouts and and engineer. what was your team comp? i personally found having an engineer that knows what they're doing was (and is) infinitely better than having a gunner

i played cryo drill which seriously helped against the swarmagedon

[wraith shard]

standard 4 class team

all pretty good

maybe we just didn't have enough AOE

[gleaming falcon]

the last part is seriously tough

[coral pond]

A good gunner will always be stronger than a good engi. A huge part of that is because of the shield gen

[mellow cradle]

my guy, I was joking

[gleaming falcon]

save as much nitra as you can before the third stage, and use them for health (thats what we did hah)

[gleaming falcon]

i dont quite know how to explain it but i dont find myself wanting a gunner more than an engineer

maybe i just know better engineers than gunners :p

[coral pond]

Guess so, cause the shield generator is strong af

[gleaming falcon]

i dont see it man

maybe you could show me a good gunner 👉🏼 👈🏼

[coral pond]

I wish i was a good gunner lmfao

[sharp tundra]

Gunners are the best class in the game for carrying

[dense pebble]

I'd argue Scout is better for clutches, since he can move so quickly

Gunner is the best at keeping the team from dying in the first place

[coral pond]

There's a difference between clutching and carrying

[static lichen]

funny thing is, iirc in modded difficulties there's a reversed sentiment

there, engi's the weakest class, and replacing the engi with a second gunner is viable

[bitter canyon]

whats better class in modded?

[static lichen]

gunner

not a modded player myself, just something i've heard

[tidal otter]

Do y’all think sticky flames or face melter is better

[bitter canyon]

sticky for sure

[tidal otter]

I jus got smacked in a dreadnought mission, I don’t think the flamethrower is supposed to be used for those😭

[sharp tundra]

Yeah don’t

[coral pond]

The crspr is the worst weapon for elims tbh

[gleaming falcon]

sticky flames iirc

[coral pond]

And as much as i enjoy face melter, sticky flames is 100% better than it

[dense pebble]

face melter is best in robot missions

(aside from nemesis, where sticky flames is better)

[untold topaz]

I swear all my deep dives always either completely fall apart at the start, or someone always leaves near the end during a swarm, need to figure out what I'm doing wrong

[spiral badge]

Have Bosco set for 4 revives and you should be fine if they leave at the end

[worn quiver]

What are the modifiers regarding the standard DD?

[dense sage]

check the pinned message

[dense pebble]

If someone leaves suddenly for no apparent reason, they most likely got disconnected.

If you’re hosting, and this happens a lot, your internet could be to blame.

[blissful elk]

There's also an ongoing issue with Steam's authentication, so it could just be bad luck

Recently as a host sometimes I get a network error message followed by people disconnecting, and then even after connection was re-established they get an error message when trying to rejoin

But sometimes they don't disconnect at all

[stray nest]

is there anything i should know before doing my 1st deep dive?

[blissful elk]

Have fun

Regular deep dives aren't any harder than a normal mission. They're just 3 missions back to back on haz 3 and 3.5.

[stray nest]

ah okay

thanks

[placid musk]

engineer isn't really that good at anything

people usually run max AOE to make him some kind of a ranged driller

[livid meadow]

just did SEDD pog

took exactly 1 hour

[chilly lotus]

Skill issue
All classes is good on something

[placid musk]

ok let me rephrase

he has no self-defense and is most reliant on terrain advantage

the various uses of platforms can be worked around quite easily by the other 3 classes

turret damage become less significant on higher hazards

bascially he's a worse gunner

in terms of build and use

• driller can self synergize(crspr + sludge)

[chilly lotus]

Seems like you using tons of wrong builds
Literally everything you said also can be worked around that made engi also special on its own

[placid musk]

exe inferno parallels LSLS hellfire

[chilly lotus]

What blue lvl are you?

[placid musk]

ECR fatboy parallels NTP hellfire

they serve a similar purpose but gunner has

a shield

and 20 more hitpoints

and better grenades(imo)

blue level is moot, people can cheat for blue levels

[spiral badge]

I’m pretty effective with Lok1 on at least haz 3.5 so I dunno what your deal is

[placid musk]

the discussion is about engineer being the least needed on modded

[blissful elk]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[placid musk]

engineer is OFC very strong in vanilla

[chilly lotus]

Indeed, but im not fan of cheating too
*It break the immersion

[blissful elk]

Did you unironically pull the "what's your blue level"

[placid musk]

i have 430 hours

[chilly lotus]

Haaa, i see
If you need good engi build for modded servers, i can help

[placid musk]

i don't

[spiral badge]

Lotta people have way more than 430 lol

[chilly lotus]

Again, depend on what mods the host use

[placid musk]

i've seen enough guides to know my shit

[blissful elk]

This is actually funny ngl

[chilly lotus]

Most guides is trash to be sure

[placid musk]

the fuck do you use

[chilly lotus]

Mostly they putting wrong stuff for a sake of "content"

[placid musk]

i've tried 6x2

[chilly lotus]

I hv tried 5x20 and 6x6
I mean, engi still doing fine

[placid musk]

he can perform well

[chilly lotus]

Even i prefer engi than my gunner, coz the swarms cant kill themself

[placid musk]

are you serious

what gunner build do you use

[chilly lotus]

Well, my gunner also really good at modded servers, i just using him if there's lack of gunners

[placid musk]

YOUR BUILD

[azure dune]

Just use minelayer if swarms are the issue

[placid musk]

ntp > minelayer

[azure dune]

For modded, no

[placid musk]

imo

[azure dune]

Vanilla sure

[placid musk]

i see more ntp than minelayer though

[azure dune]

Minelayer is 8x2 verified

[chilly lotus]

Fuck, go figure out yourself then if you got triggered

[placid musk]

i was asking for your build

[chilly lotus]

If you're extremely capable yourself

[placid musk]

stop avoiding my question

i'm curious what you're running

[chilly lotus]

Im not, im still typing fuck ass

[placid musk]

if you believe gunner can't SC as well as engineer

how slow do you type dawg

[placid musk]

makes sense

[chilly lotus]

You looks like a pro, unicorn of dwarf, you seems dont need any healthy conversation or build trade with me

[placid musk]

...

what engi builds are used in 8x2

[azure dune]

Since this dude won't help, usually 31222 minelayer is a good gunner primary on modded. 8x2 is a meme and not a sustainable difficulty

However, gunner shouldn't be the one swarm clearing on modded, that's drillers job

[placid musk]

but NTP is still viable

[azure dune]

Yes, typically in cryo comps

[placid musk]

ah i see

[azure dune]

You see a lot more 32223 Burning hell or 32123 lsls

NTP doesn't have the finishing power it does in vanilla on trash, and it's just not usually what the gunner should be doing

Unless you have no driller or some weird thing

[placid musk]

I most play with CN players so the philosophy and meta are different

[azure dune]

CN? Sorry

[placid musk]

but i see what you mean

[rugged sandal]

yo I got a question can you upload a playstation game to pc?

[placid musk]

nah

[rugged sandal]

dam

thanks tho

[rare field]

I have question, what is the chance to meet cargo crate?

I just met 2 cargo crate in one day

[stray nest]

I just bought the game on summer sale, what do you guys mean by 8x2 and modded and stuff like that?

[earnest geode]

Simple, modded is just modded. 8x2 is hazard 8, x2 spawn. If you see 5x2, 1x64,... then it follows the same formula.

[stray nest]

Also where a good place to look up updated builds so I can kinda figure out what each class does?

[stray nest]

Thanks

Hazard 5 isn't the hardest?

[upper glade]

i think above 5.5 is modded

but im new so idk

[earnest geode]

It's the hardest normal game missions have to offer. Then you get 5.5 in EDD, which is hardest in the game.

Anything above is modded.

[rare field]

Thanks for the answer

[stray nest]

Thanks! What's EDD?

Ph

Oh

Elite deep dive

[earnest geode]

Hmm I would recommend karl.gg, but that's if you're looking at stats only. The builds on there are meme at best, and bullshit at worst. You're better off just asking in #drg-chat

[stray nest]

Cool, thanks

[open folio]

[raven carbon]

If you're new to the game just experiment a little bit

Even if you get optimised builds it's hard to know what each mod does with less gameplay experience

[ancient cove]

Overall it's fun to explore and try builds out, you can always try out builds on lower difficulties first, then if you like it go up.
Also https://karl.gg/ is a site for DRG builds. You can sort by "Salutes" (upvotes) to find most popular builds

[hollow scarab]

guys since im playing gunner, is it a good idea to replace field medic with dash? i can just shield down and revive but also i need more mobility

[little crater]

so i failed the 3rd level of this week deep dive, if i start again the deep dive, do i start from level 1 or level 3?

[hollow scarab]

lvl 1

[little crater]

ohh sadge ok ty

[tiny portal]

Yes this is what I did, every other class has IW + field medic but gunner has IW + dash for me

[little crater]

my gunner use iron will and dash. although i think it depends on what mission for me.

[hollow palm]

Iron will is great but not mandatory

medic \ dash \ IW are viable in any order

[somber basin]

It is if you are carrying lol

[hollow palm]

it literally helps you from 1 fuck up

[somber basin]

3 fuck ups during a deep dive

[hollow palm]

which may not happen at all, dash is constant value for example

[somber basin]

Oh, I agree 100%

Dash is a must pick for me on every class except scout

[olive flicker]

Everyone and their moms runs IW, so I don't

If a team is dying enough to use multiple IWs, you're probably not long for the world.

[somber basin]

That is true too

I've wasted my share of them

Berserker is underrated, especially for scout.

[olive flicker]

I run berserker for every class.

[somber basin]

Oh, I like you

[olive flicker]

Deleting oppressors is far too entertaining.

[somber basin]

Everything is weak to melee, berserker is so good

[olive flicker]

Tyrant weed? Slap it!

Lacerator close to death? Slap it!

[somber basin]

Need to dig a hole really fast? Slap it!

[olive flicker]

Stingtail pull you in? Slap it!

[somber basin]

Stingtail slaps feel the best

[olive flicker]

That one is more out of spite than anything.

[somber basin]

Indubitably

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[gleaming falcon]

mandatory in my eyes

field and iron will are a staple of all deep dives

[hollow palm]

thats great if it works for you constantly

from my personal experience in 90% of games its either not needed or im too greedy to use it early

[dense pebble]

Depends on class for me

Gunner and engi are field medic dash

Driller and scout are iron will field medic

[woeful niche]

i use dash on everyone

[dense pebble]

Dash isn’t necessary on scout, but its kind of crucial otherwise

[austere quiver]

anyone wants to go deep diving?

never did it before

[coral pond]

most popular doesn't always mean good too btw

[placid musk]

dash?

[sharp tundra]

Only if you plan on everyone dying. It rlly is a backup plan.

Dash on the other hand is mandatory except on scout

[coral pond]

fm and iw is a scout setup, tbh. Dash + iw is everyone else

[spiral badge]

Let’s meet in the middle and say dash + IW

I think field medic is often unnecessary, maybe only 1 person takes it but not everyone

[gleaming falcon]

sorry. i mean iron will and dash. :P field medic is extremely helpful but you have to have dash

[old widget]

I don't think you're in the right Discord mate

[tall relic]

I used to run Dash + Iron Will but switched to Field Medic + Iron Will after failing a Point Extraction that I could have saved with Field Medic

I love the conveinence of Dash, but Field Medic + Iron Will is capable of saving an otherwise hopeless match

The passive benefits of Field Medic are more useful than the instant revive tbh

[sharp tundra]

True

[sharp tundra]

Nah replace iron will with dash trust

Iron will is a last ditch effort tbh.

Dash helps u with literally everything

[tall relic]

Dash felt like more of a convenience than anything

[sharp tundra]

Yes and no

[tall relic]

I play Cryo Driller with cold radiance so if I find myself in a bad situation all I need to do is hold down m1 lol

[sharp tundra]

It’s a convenience and a powerful tool

[tall relic]

Iron Will has saved several games including EDDs

[sharp tundra]

U still need dash for if you get hit by a slasher

[sharp tundra]

Wouldn’t need to save those games if you have dash

[tall relic]

Can't get hit by a slasher if you can freeze them in less than a second

[tall relic]

Nah like for example

Last week's EDD

[sharp tundra]

Then why did u get downed in the first place

Obviously ur getting downed by something if u want iron will

[tall relic]

During the black box sequence in the second stage my entire team was downed on the point and we were completely surrounded by bugs

Dashing would have done nothing

Even if I got away it would have meant leaving the extraction zone

IW allowed me to get two of them back up

We would have failed without it 100%

Dashing is great for getting away from Mactera since they can't be frozen quickly bit Iron Will is much more useful from my personal experience

[spiral badge]

But that’s sort of the point

It saves runs

You can’t account for everything or what every spawn will be like before it happens and there’s so many variables that a fight can easily go south despite your best efforts

[tall relic]

Oh that reminds me

Stage 1 of that same EDD

We got forced into fighting a bulk det in a narrow cave that looped in on itself, the death explosion completely destroyed the floor and was virtually impossible to escape

But I guess in that case you can argue that dash also would have worked

But that was still another instance where IW saved it

[sharp tundra]

Dash keeps runs going. I rather have a smooth experience than a last ditch effort

[spiral badge]

I’m not saying you can’t also have dash

[sharp tundra]

That’s what Chester was saying

[tall relic]

It depends on the class/build

I just don't think it's necessary with my build

[sharp tundra]

Then why is iron will

[spiral badge]

In my mere 7 ish months of playing, I’ve personally saved a DD with IW and I’ve had someone else save another one

[sharp tundra]

So only 2

Meanwhile how many times has dash helped you

Divide ur game time by 30 seconds for the answer

[spiral badge]

🤦‍♂️

[tall relic]

I think I'm a fairly good Driller, but there's only so much I can do against a swarm when my entire team is down. Even with Dash

[sharp tundra]

I use iw too. Just saying it’s not essential or even the top two necessarily

[tall relic]

Some mix of Iron Will, Field Medic, and Dash is ideal

[sharp tundra]

Field medic is rlly situational to me. I’d only rlly pick it on driller and maybe engie

Since scouts grenades and gunners shields make quick reviving not necessary

[spiral badge]

Right. Then you run the other 2

[sharp tundra]

Scout u don’t want to run dash. And a lot of times iron will isn’t as good since ur usually a good bit away. From allies

[mellow cradle]

but you can get to those allies quickly

[sharp tundra]

A problem with iron will is it doesn’t stack well

[spiral badge]

then run beast master

[sharp tundra]

Depends

Iron will is good on missions where ur team is clumped together like escort. Salvage. And elim. But not as great on the others

Dash is great on every mission except maybe like sabotage and salvage

[mellow cradle]

excuse me, but if you can't get to your team within 12 seconda as scout, you are doing something wrong

[sharp tundra]

Field medic is a case by case basement

[sharp tundra]

Usually I’m in a different area

[mellow cradle]

why?

[sharp tundra]

Cuz scout is very independent

So going off on your own speeds up the mission and increases chances of success

Esp on pe, egg hunt, mining, and escort

[spiral badge]

Scout can go back and forth between going a little independent and being close ish to the team

[sharp tundra]

the only time I go back is when my flares have died

[mellow cradle]

I'm talking about during a swarm, because that's when IW and FM have a use mostly

[spiral badge]

But you should be at least like 10 seconds close to them when possible

[mellow cradle]

you probably aren't by yourself then

[sharp tundra]

I am actually

[coral pond]

case by case basement lmao

[mellow cradle]

interesting

[spiral badge]

Every scout I’ve had doesn’t go completely off in Lala land for the whole mission

[sharp tundra]

I just kite enemies for a little while. Throw pheromone nade. And spam shots at all the non pheromone enemies

[coral pond]

being by yourself during a swarm, for any class, is a problem honestly. Cause as independent as you think you are, if something happens and you go down you're not getting picked up till the swarm is done at the very least

[sharp tundra]

Scouts grappling hook makes it so that his surviv ability is basically infinite

[sharp tundra]

Just don’t go down

[mellow cradle]

but your team doesn't get flares or scout's hvt killing power

[coral pond]

such good advice, you must have gotten the almighty leg 4 status with that advice

[spiral badge]

Just don’t die guys, it’s that easy

[sharp tundra]

I mean literally. Ur helping ur team by either diluting the horde or by doing objective quickly

[coral pond]

you know a good way to dilute the horde? being close to your team so you can clear the problems while they deal with the grunts

[sharp tundra]

I wouldn’t recommend going on your own with pretty much any other class tho. Should stay at least within close proximity

[coral pond]

then once the swarm's done you can zip off to lala land

[sharp tundra]

So ur saying scouts combat role is more important than his other roles?

[coral pond]

you're misinterpreting my words, good job

[mellow cradle]

idk man, I usually put off objectives when a swarm gets announced

[sharp tundra]

The faster you finish the objectives the less swarms there will be

[mellow cradle]

going fast carries risk

[sharp tundra]

The risk is slowing down the game

[coral pond]

the targets that scout should be prioritizing make dealing with swarms easier and safer for everyone else, hence why those are his targets to prioritize and why they're called High Value Targets. You being off on your own leaves those targets open and force your teammates to split their attention even more, which can cause issues

There's a balancing act to create between going fast and not

[sharp tundra]

He focuses on those cuz he’s shit at dealing with crowds. Not because he’s like amazing at it

[mellow cradle]

what more do you need than an accurate primary?

[coral pond]

exactly why your teammates shouldn't need to worry about those, yet you being on your own forces your teammates to worry about them

[mellow cradle]

and things like aise and m1k have high damage

[sharp tundra]

Exactly. So why can’t engie and gunner deal with them

[mellow cradle]

and accuracy

[coral pond]

idk about you, but i don't like getting sniped by a spitter or trijaw cause my scout is off in narnia while a swarm is here

[sharp tundra]

Shoot ‘em urself dingus

Lol didn’t realize that was ur name

Lmao

[mellow cradle]

pretty much only engi with loki can do that well, and even then, he could be doing other stuff

[sharp tundra]

Shotgun can do that with certain unlocks and so can the smg

[mellow cradle]

I guess minigun with accuracy too

[static lichen]

y'know, your engi/gunner could tell you the same thing about the main swarm

[sharp tundra]

Busy doing objective and diluting horde in next cave

[mellow cradle]

there's a very nice video on youtube comparing stubby and exec

[static lichen]

ah, busy dying, got it

[sharp tundra]

I watched it. Still seems suitable for the situation

[sharp tundra]

Skill issue

Just grapple

[mellow cradle]

I think this ends this discussion

[static lichen]

yeah, yeah, you're a legend 4 player that never ever died

have fun

[sharp tundra]

What kills scouts? Leeches and ranged enemies. There’s a perk for leeches and scout is amazing against ranged enemies

[spiral badge]

Is there a perk for saving you from getting C4’d? Cause I’d imagine that happens to you a lot

[mellow cradle]

friendly

[sharp tundra]

Don’t be a dick buddy just cuz someone disagrees with you

That’s what we call being toxic

[spiral badge]

I was just joking

[sharp tundra]

I’m sure it was

[sharp tundra]

Also most ppl prob running Loki cuz it got two goated overclocks

Rarely see smg sometimes see shotty

[mellow cradle]

yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that even base loki is the best engi primary to deal with hvt's

[sharp tundra]

And that means?

[mellow cradle]

it kills them the fastest

[sharp tundra]

Yeah. So hvt shouldn’t be an issue even if scout isn’t there

[spiral badge]

They can be

[mellow cradle]

engi also has the weakest self defense

[spiral badge]

You not wanting to support your team for swarms is very telling

[mellow cradle]

so if something creeps up on him while he's staring at the ceiling, it's going to end badly for them

[sharp tundra]

Sentry guns and ssg don’t exist apparently

Or repellant platforms

[spiral badge]

They can’t protect you from everything

[slender hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[sharp tundra]

If a driller goes off to do the second hacking pod on industrial sabotage, is he abandoning his team?

[mellow cradle]

when I'm talking "self defence", I mean a situation where "oh shit, I turned around and there are 2 slashers and 5 grunts behind me"
gunner has a shield, driller can drill into a wall and use primary, and all engi can do is either dash or breach cutter

[sharp tundra]

Or set up sentries or platforms to watch his back

[mellow cradle]

yes

[sharp tundra]

And isn’t breech cutter the strongest weapon in the game

[mellow cradle]

but I'm talking about a situation where you are unprepared

[sharp tundra]

That’s his fault engies job is to prepare

[mellow cradle]

you won't be preparing while on the move, that's paranoia

[sharp tundra]

Why do you think all of his grenades last a long time

[sharp tundra]

I hear attention swarm incoming. I should probably prepare

It’s not like the game doesn’t warn you

[mellow cradle]

of course you have everything set up then
even so, if you spend 10 seconda looking at the ceiling clearing spitters, something can ambush you despite your defences (if the turret stun doesn't proc for example)

[sharp tundra]

And that’s prob where ur 2 other teammates come in

Also it rlly don’t take long to kill spitters fun fact

So assuming in the 2 seconds it takes to kill spitters a bug gets past ur platforms sentries nades and other teammates.

They hit u once

Then u either power attack or whip out breech cutter

[coral pond]

you must always play with a coordinated team to think people are always prepared for everything

[sharp tundra]

No I do public hosting

None of my friends play this game

[coral pond]

then you've found gaming gods to think everything's going to run smoothly no matter what

[tulip idol]

It's hard to get ambushed when most spawns are perfectly hearable and visible.

[sharp tundra]

There’s enough fail safes where usually it works out

[tulip idol]

Steps sounds and screams do exist too

[sharp tundra]

And if it don’t scout can come back and rez

@tulip idol what’s ur thoughts on roamer scout

Apparently I’m a bad team player for being by myself as scout during swarms or clearing caves ahead of my team

[coral pond]

you are a bad team player, cause you're not a team player

[sharp tundra]

Team doesn’t benefit from objective being done? Didn’t know that

[warped storm]

btw for this weeks EDD what do you think is the best class

for it

for solo

[sharp tundra]

Driller

Might want cyro for this one

Lots of stationery’s third stage

First two stages are thankfully easy

Third one is cramped stationary hell with a side of swarmers

[warped storm]

stationay? you mean refinary and pumps?

[sharp tundra]

No. Stationary enemies

Like breeders and sputballers

[warped storm]

oh that stationary

[sharp tundra]

Yeah gotta hurry tho it changes tonight

[coral pond]

in like 14 hours

[tulip idol]

Don't people already play like that on modded difficulties? I don't really watch VoDs but I suppose Special Powder is popular for a reason. Team needs scout to clear HVTs, stationaries and mb light a few things on fire on distance. But in big caves Scout is better be mining and doing small objectives while team's moving around and protecting themselves using different types of constructions and carving. All in all, just be there when your team needs you to survive (like when you have cryo nades against mactera swarm) and other times you can be by yourself, it's just that you need to tell your mates not to do your work wherever they go without you trying to reach some stuff on ceiling by themselves or annoying you with platform pings.

Feel free to correct me on that, since I haven't experimented with this personally, just giving my thoughts on this.

[mellow cradle]

people certainly play like this on speedruns

but I wouldn't be doing something like this in random lobbies unless you are hosting a speedrun lobby

otherwise, I think people are going to be mad with you or even kick you

[sharp tundra]

Hasn’t happened to me

Not like I’m skipping objectives. U must either be toxic or play with toxic ppl to think that

[still geode]

this is exactly what good scouts do lol

like, the entire class design of scout is centered around being able to keep yourself alive and progress the mission even when there are enemies present

[sharp tundra]

That’s not a long time for ppl who have things to do

[still geode]

and u pick off stuff that's a threat to you and your team too if needed

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[lost mortar]

i just beat the elite deep dive

just in time

[stray nest]

How is it? Is it super hard?

[coral pond]

Harder than some previous ones, yeah

[lost mortar]

stage two is really hard

[coral pond]

Stage 3 is fucked, but the wells are in decent positions

[lost mortar]

everything else is easy

[errant night]

i got to stage 3 once and it felt like playing risk of rain on monsoon

[lost mortar]

stage three is just small

[errant night]

A sea of enemies in a small cave

[lost mortar]

ong

[errant night]

as if stage 2 wasn't enough of a hell pit

I will probably not be getting this weeks EDD cosmetic core.

[coral pond]

Stage 3 is small, which is a good thing, but haz 5.5 swarmageddon is fucked

Especially if you have a cryo driller without cold radiance like i did

[errant night]

the floor is alive

(it's made of swarmers)

it's extra fucked because you have no time to pay attention to important things

i have NO IDEA how you'd do the whole pipe building process with so much on you at all times

obviously its possible, people have and are still doing it

I think bet-c shows up?

i remember three dwarves being down and a boss bar on the screen

[coral pond]

Bet-c is there, yeah. Idk if her spawn position can change but i had her in a spot where we could completely ignore her thankfully

[errant night]

i'd rather blitz her and pray her support makes a dent

[coral pond]

Wasn't worth it to our group when we wasted all 3 iron wills just trying to leave the droppod. Honestly the spitballer was the worst of all

[lost mortar]

personally taking out the nanocyte breeder while in the drop pod helped me a lot

on stage 3

[errant night]

we were a man down and we managed to actually get out of the pod

we got separated just a little bit and the tsunami of insects did what they designed to do

i remember getting revived, putting down a shield, reviving the teammate who iron willed me, shield goes down, death.

We never got a chance to really start the mission

[coral pond]

The breeder wasn't nearly as troublesome to us as the spitballer was

[errant night]

I didn't even really have the chance to even notice the breeder

there was SO MUCH going on

[boreal patio]

if there's a group of majestic dwarfs willing to take a greenbeard into his first deep dive, feel free to contact me cause I'm said greenbeard, thanks

[dusty spindle]

Is minigun viable in deep dive?

It just always seems to be running out of ammo at the worst times

[hushed sequoia]

it's very viable but easy to end up using it on everything

[copper cedar]

Yeah it is

[hushed sequoia]

i'd try and only use it for one thing and then build your secondary to cover up for the weaknesses, generally it's better for purely single target

[copper cedar]

Played it once, got it first time with randos, haven't finished it sinve

[tall relic]

Try running it with a 13212 Bulldog

You can shoot it into a group of enemies and hit them all at once, and if you inflict Grunts with neurotoxin then they're guaranteed to die over time

So use that against big groups, and save the Minigun for bigger targets or priority enemies

[coral pond]

13212 is really only reserved for magic bullets

[tall relic]

Figured they prob don't have it yet

But isn't it still good without magic bullets?

[still geode]

magic bullets makes it over twice as strong

[tall relic]

Really?

[still geode]

the aoe applies when u hit the floor and applies a second time when it bounces into an enemy

and on top of that u get extra ammo

[tall relic]

Oh shit

I never knew it applies twice

[still geode]

its way more consistent at applying toxin to groups of bugs and also means u get 60 aoe damage instead of 30

[hushed sequoia]

coilgun is decent at base for light aoe/cc

[tall relic]

Damn, I've been hitting groups directly this whole time and I still thought it was really strong

[still geode]

yeah if you shoot the floor right next to them with magic bullets its very noticeably stronger

[tall relic]

Gotta try it

I've generally been shooting in the middle of the group

[hushed sequoia]

forgot magic bullets only ricochets on ground hits, bullet hell is the one that ricochets on enemy hit and on terrain hit

[tall relic]

I've tried going for the floor if possible but most of the time they were too closely packed

[hushed sequoia]

magic bullets has quite generous range for ricochet, like 5m or something

[tall relic]

Yeah I've noticed

I'll occasionally use it for picking off Web Spitters and Mactera

[quasi bough]

magic bullets is great if you like a bad coil gun

[tall relic]

I don't have hellfire yet

But I kinda like being able to immediately pull out the Bulldog and use it on hand

[quasi bough]

the pull out method doesnt work

[mystic yacht]

who wants a leaf lovers special?

[outer cloud]

magic bullets bulldog is so fun

it does not hold a candle to hellfire coilgun but i like it

[quasi bough]

liking things is a skill issue

[gleaming falcon]

i loved stage 3

it was alot of fun to play

[sand fossil]

Edd stage three this week is hell

[dense sage]

it's just dense af with a ton of things spawned in when you drop in, hard to find your footing in

[wraith shard]

Whats special about magic bullets

And just that type of OC in general cause I genuinely don't see an obvious effect in gameplay

Bullet hell makes itself more known ig

[dense sage]

less aiming needed
2 hits for 1 bullet
both hits trigger inbuilt mods for explosions and neurotoxin on the bulldog, for major synergy

[earnest geode]

Elephant rounds big number.

[gleaming falcon]

its a load of fun :D

[sharp tundra]

Factual

[sand fossil]

It is fun, but also death. Haven't gotten through it without wiping yet

[wraith shard]

Wdym 2 hits

Isnt it just miss=hit

[dense sage]

Near miss + hit = hit + hit when they’re all AOE.

[wraith shard]

So the play ISNT super blowthrough

[dense sage]

Especially when pointing at a crowd

[wraith shard]

So whats the magic bullet build

[coral pond]

13212

[warm hazel]

hi im new to deep rock and i just started doing deep dives and i have a question. why dont i get my reward after completing the mission

ive done 2 deep dives to completion and i didnt get the rewards for either of them. did i do something wrong?

[wraith shard]

You get them but you get your reward after each 3rd of the dive

1st one gives you the blank, 2nd gives you the overclock, 3rd gives you a cosmetic core

The only things saved for the end screen are the exp and gold

So there isn't smth like the assignment complete screen showing you your cores like with the weekly core hunt assignments

Just go check your forge for new core and a higher blank core count on the upper right

[placid musk]

magic bullets are used mostly for AOE

to spread the neurotox

[earnest geode]

The only thing I'm spreading is misinformation and liquid morkite.

[somber monolith]

I just finished the elite deep dive solo with over 1,100 kills and 11 downs. Now I am tired.

[somber basin]

Get you some rest, dorf.

[somber monolith]

Don't gotta tell me twice

[cobalt shale]

Anyone got good Haz 5 gun combos/builds? Trying to master all weapons. I've got driller well covered.

[floral yarrow]

@cobalt shale On scout, I really enjoy AI Stability Engine OC on the Deepcore GK2, I take accuracy in 1st tier and fire rate in 5th to balance the negatives. Makes for amazing single target and getting rid of those far away killers like septics and spitters. I pair that w the Zhukovs and make sure to take conductive bullets in tier 5 and blowthrough rounds. I then use IFGs. This is amazing up close swarm damage and can also pair well for solo takedowns of bigger enemies. And I alwasy run sweet tooth, iron will and field medic

Overall just a really reliable all purpose build that hits all the ranges and works well in Haz 5

[cobalt shale]

Thanks! I need to look into IFGs and AI Stability Engine. I usually use boomerangs and the drak OPA with gas recycling zhuks, all close range.

[tall relic]

For Gunner I've been running Lead Storm Minigun with Magic Bullets Neurotoxin Bulldog and I'm in love with it. Minigun for huge single target damage/dealing with priority threats, Bulldog for wiping big groups of Grunts. Accuracy and armor piercing are probably the most important Minigun upgrades, but I'd also recommend taking the additional T1 damage over extra ammo. No ammo issues as long as you know when to use your primary and when to use your secondary. Lead Burster as my grenade since the build is more focused on single target damage, and being able to instakill Bulk Dets is insane. The build is great compensating for the Driller's weaknesses

[cobalt shale]

my driller's weakness is that I kill everything.

[tiny portal]

Nice, I have almost the same build, use it mostly for dread missions. For normal missions I like to use big bertha AC and hellfire coil gun, pairs just great. Hellfire for AoE on biiig groups of enemies and AC for anything else, leadbursters as a bulk delete button ofc

[tall relic]

Except Bulk Dets and Robots

[tall relic]

Yeah I know people love Hellfire. I haven't gotten it yet but I'm def gonna try it once I do

I got Big Bertha recently and I'm thinking of trying it with my current build but I don't think I'll like it as much

The movement penalty of Lead Storm doesn't bother me at all, and it seems all around superior in damage/range

[tiny portal]

Yea lead storm is the only OC I use for minigun, I agree

[tall relic]

I'm addicted to it

It's basically become the Gunner equivalent of the Cryo Cannon for me

[tiny portal]

For any single target purpose I love taking lead storm lead storm, especially on escorts and eliminations its super good

[tall relic]

Yeah definitely

[tiny portal]

Deletes rocks on phase 2 ommoran

[tall relic]

Also really great on Industrial Sabotage

[tiny portal]

Yes, that is where I like to pop a shield before firing tho, the mobility is needed there

The brt7 experimental rounds is good on sabotage too

[tall relic]

I usually burst fire while bunny hopping if I need the mobility

[tiny portal]

Ah that works too

[tall relic]

Yeah brt is great but it drains through ammo super fast

[tiny portal]

It is alright if you take more accuracy and less recoil, you will do the same dmg because more bullets hit but wont take as much dmg

Everyone is obsessed with lead spray for some reason but a brt build with good accuracy and decent dmg is better imo

[tall relic]

Lead spray seems fun if you have a ranged aoe primary

It's basically a pocket shotgun

[tiny portal]

21121 experimental rounds is what I use for brt7, it is a stunning sniper gun

[tiny portal]

Thats true, but for sabotage you need some range

[tall relic]

That sounds like a good build, I'll take note

[olive flicker]

Industrial sabo has so much nitra ammo efficiency is moot.

So you can run all the inefficient damage you want.

I frequently get close to the caretaker when it opens his eye, because why not.

But if you wanted to be safe it is just as easy to sit back with resupplies.

[tiny portal]

I mean, if you hit only 2 out of every 6 bullets you fire with lead spray, and have to reload every 4 bursts, your damage will not only be inefficient, your DPS will also be lower

[olive flicker]

You're easily hitting more than 2 out of 6.

[tiny portal]

Lead spray is good dont get me wrong but dont ignore that 4x base spread

[tiny portal]

On caretaker? No shot

[olive flicker]

I'm not shooting his vents with brt.

I shoot his eyes with it.

[tiny portal]

You gott get real close then

Gotta*

[olive flicker]

That's what I just explained.

The shortest path to an eye on the opposite side is through the center, so you are close anyways.

Plus you want full mobility in that moment so ls minigun isn't very nice.

[tiny portal]

I think you would still do more dmg with experimental rounds, test it

Lead spray requires you to be on the enemy to hit all bullets

And that just isnt possible with caretaker

I know I tested it, did you?

[olive flicker]

With vents I would agree, on the eye I don't.

[tiny portal]

You can even use a less accurate but more dmg focused variant of this

[olive flicker]

Pretty clear from the conversation you are playing at a different range so a different setup is better for your playstyle.

[somber basin]

I miss getting double industrial sabotage on dives...

[tiny portal]

That doesnt answer my question, have you tested it?

[olive flicker]

I usually power attack the eye atleast once while doing sabo.

[somber basin]

Same

[olive flicker]

If I'm close enough to do that I can hit all lead spray shots.

[somber basin]

Make that eye close quick, nah mean?

[olive flicker]

Well yea, the goal is to get through it quick.

[tiny portal]

So you havent tested it. Okay. Maybe test different builds before convincing people of stats?

[somber basin]

But I like it when it lasts long too

[tiny portal]

The stats on screen only say so much

You may think you hit all bullets but if you take a more accurate build you may notice you were actually missing half of them

[somber basin]

Do you play on Xbox?

[tiny portal]

Nope

[somber basin]

Aw man

[olive flicker]

If I miss at that range it's because I aimed like a potato.

Which does happen every now and then.

[tiny portal]

No its because the bullets fly in all directions

[somber basin]

I agree with Chill. Lead spray is the best OC for industrial Sabo.

[olive flicker]

My man it's inaccurate, it doesn't fire backwards lmao

[somber basin]

I've tested lead spray. It's bonkers.

[tiny portal]

All Im saying is try out your lead spray build with the experimental rounds OC, see how the dmg difference is. If you still prefer lead spray, sure. But dont state your facts before testing it.

[olive flicker]

Unless you're saying lead spray misses in melee range, which uhh, is a dubious claim.

[tiny portal]

At 1 meter from a praet like only half the bullets hits, I tested this

Its horrible

You gotta be within half a meter or something

To hit all

[tiny portal]

Maybe 2 or 3, but still

Its really bad

[tiny portal]

It only hits in melee range is my claim

[ivory marten]

I wonder if I should go in blind this time or if I should wait.

I usually just wait for the dive team to explore the dives before I go in myself.

[olive flicker]

I don't know if I have experimental rounds but I'll give it a whirl when I play gunner next.

[woeful niche]

that’s a pretty massive over exaggeration lol

[tiny portal]

2 or 3 meters

[woeful niche]

expitemental rounds is ok, the main issue i have with it is the god awful ammo efficiency if u want to have anywhere near the dps of ls

[woeful niche]

still a massive exaggeration that makes it sound like youv never actually used the oc

iv used lead spray on menaces at mid range so this saying 50% of bullets will miss a prat at 3m is pretty insane

[tiny portal]

I have multiple times

[woeful niche]

is this without the accuracy mod or something?

[tiny portal]

You use lead spray with accuracy mod?

[woeful niche]

ofc??????

bruh what

[tiny portal]

Then why not use experimental?

[woeful niche]

???????????

[tiny portal]

If you gonna shotgun anyways

[woeful niche]

what

dude my brain is melting

[tiny portal]

then you use lead srpay

[woeful niche]

you take accuracy to reduce the spread

[tiny portal]

If you want a non-shotgun just use experimental with dmg mods, better all way around

If you want a shotgun use leadspray

[woeful niche]

dude wtf is this logic

[tiny portal]

Sound logic

[woeful niche]

when you build an oc build it the best it can be

don’t build a great oc in a bad way then complain about it lol

[tiny portal]

You're aware lead spray is 1.5x dmg right? So taking dmg mods is more beneficial for lead spray

[woeful niche]

if ur not taking accuracy on ls and can’t hit shit that’s your own fault

[tiny portal]

Experimental is a flat +9 dmg

[woeful niche]

not when the accuracy mod substantially increase your range

[tiny portal]

If youre gonna take some mediocre accuracy, just take experimental with dmg mods, better stats all around

[woeful niche]

there are other dmg mods, so even if u take accuracy, ls will still be better dps and be more ammo efficient. Why tf wud you miss the accuracy mod just cus you think the oc is supposed to be a shotgun

[olive flicker]

Oh you figured out why his spray was so inaccurate.

Checks out.

[woeful niche]

except no cus according to u, without accuracy you are missing all shots outside point blank range while with my build i can literally snipe fucking menaces

[tiny portal]

Thats no what Im saying

[woeful niche]

i consider 3m point blank range

[tiny portal]

Im saying that IF you want a build that can snipe menaces, experimental does a way better job

At both long and close range dmg

[woeful niche]

lol no

ls is leagues better up close

[tiny portal]

1.5x dmg on 21 base dmg only adds 10 dmg my guys

experimental adds 9 dmg

Its the same

So if u dont take dmg mods on lead spray its just a worse experimental rounds

[woeful niche]

21 base dmg? bruh why are u building ls so shit

[tiny portal]

U said u wanted accuracy

Then u sacrifice dmg

[olive flicker]

You're taking one of the damage mods so it's 24*0.5, aka +12 damage.

You don't lose any ammo efficiency, but you lose range.

[woeful niche]

there’s more then 1 dmg mod bro 😭

you forgot 2 tiers

[tiny portal]

So take experimental with 1 dmg mod, you get the ammo efficiency back with ammo mod, and +12 dmg. Way better accuracy.

[woeful niche]

i don’t disagree that expiremental has better range. But ls indeniably has better dps

[olive flicker]

The loss from range is variable depending on what range you actually use the weapon.

[woeful niche]

and almost no ammo

[tiny portal]

You get plenty

[woeful niche]

wait u said ammo?

[olive flicker]

With experimental you keep range but always lose the ammo.

[tiny portal]

Its about 168 plus your magazine

[woeful niche]

you mean tier 4 ammo mod?

[tiny portal]

Yes

[woeful niche]

you lost weakpoint dmg which means ls is massively beating ur dps in almost all cases lmao

[olive flicker]

Which brings me back to the point I made initially.

[tiny portal]

Its almost doubles your ammo in any case

Idk why u wouldnt take it

[woeful niche]

who tf wants ammo

[tiny portal]

Non double dippers

[woeful niche]

ls has both dmg and better efficiency

[tiny portal]

I see why u run out with experimental now

[woeful niche]

i don’t need ammo

[olive flicker]

The starting context of this conversation was sabo btw.

[woeful niche]

because i don’t run a dogshit build

[olive flicker]

Where you get tired of mining nitra.

[woeful niche]

dude you legit are advocating for taking ammo. On brt. For sabo.

[tiny portal]

Well it seems like ya do

Sabo is more than the final boss

[pliant yoke]

I take ammo on LS, most of the time

[tiny portal]

Ait have fun quadruple diping bro, hope I dont run into u

[woeful niche]

Even if this convo wasn’t in the context of sabo, ls is better in almost every scenerio that long range cus your just doing more dmg for no cost in ammo. Your efficiency is typically way better along with ur dps

[woeful niche]

my man has never had 600 nitra on a sabo

expiremental rounds and ammo efficiency shud not even be in the same sentence bruh

[tiny portal]

Youre really advocating long range on leadspray.... that says enough

[pliant yoke]

It’s not a bad take, I.e., taking T2B on LS

[woeful niche]

The way you build ls, it wud literally only be good on praets and oppressors, 2 of the lowest priority targets in the entire game

[pliant yoke]

Your effective range just isn’t there if you don’t take it

And the 4 damage you miss probably doesn’t net you any significant breakpoints, either

[woeful niche]

ls has no effective range without that mod. You gotta shove the gun up the bugs mouth

your entire reasoning for not taking accuracy is comparing ls to another oc instead of comparing how the mods themselves perform against each other

[tiny portal]

Yes. If you want medium range, experimental works better

[woeful niche]

ig full dmg “shotgun” ls can work on like elim or with a cryo comp, but in terms of overall consistency, you shud def just take accuracy so the gun operates at meduim range

cus otherwise you have all this dps that you can only use against the least threatening enemies in the game

[tiny portal]

Its only one mag less ammo, for waaay more dmg and NO DROP in accuracy

Versus having the same dmg buff and a shit accuracy

[pliant yoke]

Yeah. But you lose one burst worth of 6 bullets or two of 3, and that will deflate your damage output potential slightly

[woeful niche]

it’s more then 1 mag of ammo tho, and it’s literally for less dmg lol

1.5x dmg is more if ur taking the dmg mods, even if you take accuracy

[tiny portal]

Its more dmg, cause the bullets actually hit

Always

Anyways im done

[woeful niche]

expiremental reduces ammo by like 35 right

[woeful niche]

i’m not saying ls is better at long range but you’re saying factually incorrect shit.
Ls is more dps, that’s just a fact.
And if your dead set on taking dmg over accuracy, it’s your build that can’t hit anything, not the oc lol

[pliant yoke]

Both options are still meaningful, but simply assuming that LS should be fully built for damage “because it’s what it does” is very limited a view

Does that damage do anything, even, is probably the most important question

[tribal basalt]

hey, how do i gain access to the pods?

[pliant yoke]

You might want to read #welcome-and-rules

[woeful niche]

ye and i even aknowledged the situations where full dmg cud be better. I don’t get his arguement that ls must be built full dmg cus expiremtnal is just always better or something

[pliant yoke]

Experimental is not always better. You lose ammo, and mag size, and both bits overall are quite significant

LS loses spread, but it can be compensated for with T1B, and you retain all that ammo you would have lost with ExRounds (36)

[woeful niche]

ig it just comes down to how ppl build there weapons. I just try to make the best build with the oc i’m using. And ig other ppl try to make their oc fit a certain role that they think it does. Like aoe size fat boy users kek

[hushed sequoia]

for dps

i only take ammo on experimental rounds and i don't use it like that for dps, mainly for mactera or spitters

[woeful niche]

ig expiremental is more comparable to bulldog

[still geode]

5.5m fat boy is the best fat boy

[mellow cradle]

aw hell nah

[mellow cradle]

why are you taking accuracy on AISE?

it already has perfect accuracy

[zealous knoll]

Accuracy gives it pinpoint accuracy which is really nice for sniping distant acid spitters, menaces etc

[floral yarrow]

@mellow cradle there's no recoil, but shot spread is very much still a thing, so I focus on picking off the annoying enemies in a swarm that are far away and at distance that shot spread can still cause a lot of missing

[zealous knoll]

^ exactly this

[floral yarrow]

it's more a quality of life choice

plus you can get insane dmg on regular enemies when all 3 shots perfectly smack that weak point

reduces ammo waste in the process which is always nice on haz 5+

[still geode]

it does have pinpoint accuracy though

[floral yarrow]

Pos x0 Recoil
Pos x9 Spread Recovery Speed
Pos +50% Weakpoint Damage Bonus
Neg -1 Damage
Neg -2 Rate of Fire

not pinpoint

only recoil and spread recov

post season 3 changes

[woeful niche]

ppl always think im crazy when i say this but ammo efficiency really is not a huge deal in this game

as long as ur build or playstyle isn’t insanely wasteful, your usually just fine

especially in the context of an edd

[still geode]

according to the wiki page on accuracy, AISE reduces your spread value by 5 degrees, which is enough to give you 0 spread

[woeful niche]

did you factor in the placebo making his aim better indirectly

[mild salmon]

when do weekly deep dives reset and the drg api update?

[mellow cradle]

in an hour and 13 minutes

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[coral pond]

Taking accuracy on aise is an enigma to me

[zealous knoll]

Have you actually tried it in a mission? Obviously weapon feel is totally subjective but taking accuracy for pinpoint accuracy just feels so good to me personally, being able to hit acid spitter heads from across the map is just so satisfying

[coral pond]

The thing is already essentially a laser, it's pinpoint accurate enough for exactly that without the accuracy mod

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[outer cloud]

looks like us magma core enjoyers are eating good this week again

[candid bobcat]

Weekly Deep Dives information for 2023-07-20 to 2023-07-27.
Deep Dives will reset in <t:1690455600:R>

DEEP DIVE
Region: Sandblasted Corridors | Code Name: Colossal Dome
Stage 1: Escort Duty + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + 2 Mini-mules | Mactera Plague
Stage 3: 2 Dreadnoughts (Hiveguard + Classic) + 2 Eggs | No Mutator

ELITE DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Madmen's Womb
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + 2 Mini-mules | Elite Threat
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 3: Escort Duty + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Lethal Enemies

Please let me know if any of these are wrong, this information was collected by a WIP blueprint mod to attempt to automate this process, and the blueprint very very likely contains bugs.

[full saddle]

oh MAN thank you low gravity for that final stage 😭

[barren shale]

Stage 3 Lethal Enemies on EDD

gulp

[keen cedar]

Just dont get hit

[full saddle]

just jump a lot 😄

unironically gonna be great there

[mellow cradle]

it's ok, dotty will soak up the aggro

and eat the double damage for you

[barren shale]

oh, low gravity

nevermind

piece of cake

[coral pond]

Escort is one of the most annoying low grav missions to have

[keen cedar]

On the plus side you probably dont have to worry about healing because most stuff will probably be a 1 shot regardless of your health

[mellow cradle]

a slasher deals like 68 damage

[full saddle]

it can be annoying but i do personally like it for the refueling sections a lot of the time

(gunner player)

[coral pond]

And then you try to land on dotty and accidentally grapple cause you were two pixels off, sending you back to the moon for 5 seconds

[full saddle]

weeeee

[nova hearth]

dozer pops an egg EDD stage 3

[leaden cypress]

In our case it didn't pop it up

but i popped it

[round mountain]

Definitely not going solo scout for that EDD stage 3

[leaden cypress]

Even more nitra than before

[wraith shard]

EDD s3 having doretta drill through a swarm egg stinks

Stage 3 is ROUGH

Curious to see what the speedruns'll look like

[leaden cypress]

It's not that much of a hassle when you start it with over 400 nitra tbh

[zenith ember]

pre drilling 3rd stage helped so much lol

egg in drill course, natocyte/spitballer in ommoran

[static lichen]

edd was fun

except for the part when the host was playing scout and went afk for most of stage 3

[eager flame]

Thank once again for this week 🫂
Also, one question, wouldn't it be better to have it be ''Deep Dives will reset in X days'' instead of ''Deep Dives will reset in in X days''?

The timer already adds a ''in'' on whatever language you are

[candid bobcat]

ah i can update the formatter thanks, didn't notice

[eager flame]

np np ^^

[sharp tundra]

Any bad bug spawns for this edd? Like lots of stationarys or bulks?

[mellow cradle]

it varies from game to game

at least disruptive enemies certainly do

not so sure about stationaries