deep-dive-discussion

[icy halo]

ah, and u also gte them from deep dives yes? cuz i got 1 for engineer from it

[latent temple]

yes you get infused and blanks from every deep dive, promo or core hunt

[mellow cradle]

you get blank cores, and jeter told you what to do with them, but you should also have a ready weapon overclock

[mellow cradle]

that means you can make that overclock for engineer

you do that in the forge

[latent temple]

yea you need to forge em first

dammit beat me to it

[icy halo]

Ye but is it once per weekly deep dive or is it every deep dive different cores

[latent temple]

once per

[icy halo]

Sad

[latent temple]

yeah but otherwise you get them very quick lol

[mellow cradle]

once per week from core hunt, DD, and EDD
9 cores total

[icy halo]

So once per week u get patterns for forge and elsely just blanks... Ok?

[zenith ember]

there is the grinding way of promotions

[mellow cradle]

you always get a set of three from deep dive: a blank core, a weapon core, and a cosmetic core

[zenith ember]

each promo gives 1 set of them (weapon, blank, cosmetic)

[latent temple]

i struggled this week with the edd

[icy halo]

Yea but only once per week I thought, u said elsely it's blanks or huh

[mellow cradle]

you don't even get blanks if you do the same dive again

[icy halo]

oof

[mellow cradle]

just money and exp

[icy halo]

Does everyone get the same core?

[mellow cradle]

no

you get random ones, from the ones which you don't have already

[icy halo]

Ah

Can u infuse the blanks to what u want or random

[mellow cradle]

you get a choice between 2 classes

and you get a random one for the chosen class

[icy halo]

Prob gonna be engi and gunner for me ;-;

[mellow cradle]

unless the game presents to you a choice of driller and scout

because that can also happen

but you should choose something in that scenario anyway, even if it's not wwhat you want, because you won't get the same overclock again

therefore increasing the chance of getting something you actually want

[humble gale]

Are deep dives like missions but they just string together? Like 3 missions back to back?

I've never done one they weren't really a thing when I stopped playing

[mellow cradle]

yeah, pretty much

the other difference is that side objectives get replaced with shorter primary objectives, and you must complete both primary objectives

[humble gale]

Is it like multiplicative loot or something? Or is it just a way to get multiple missions done at once I saw there was like a bamf version which I'm guessing is harder

[mellow cradle]

there are no crafting minerals or events in deep dives

they are just mostly for overclock cores

are you familliar with overclocks?

[humble gale]

Oh, is there an increase chance of getting the overclocks? I think I understand them to be weapon mods but I'm not quite sure if it's something you can just get as a reward for a contract thing or you need a blank one first then a blueprint to turn blank one into said overclock

I noticed their is a contract for a blank core

I don't have any overclocks at the moment but if I did I would need a blank core to make it I think

[mellow cradle]

each stage of a deep dive rewards you with a different matrix core, stage 1 is blank core, stage 2 weapon core, stage 3 is cosmetic core

[humble gale]

Ohhh cool

[mellow cradle]

you make weapon overclocks from weapon core and cosmetics from cosmetic cores straight away

as for the blank, you can turn them into either a cosmetic or weapon overclock for a class of your choice after finishing a machine event, which spawn in regular missions

which are timed little objectives

[humble gale]

Ohhh okay

Yeah I was wondering because I don't have a whole lot of experience with the game now, there are loads of new things.

[mellow cradle]

the assignement you are speaking of is the weekly core hunt, it has 3 missions, and much like in the deep dives, you get a blank, weapon, and cosmetic core from their respective missions

[humble gale]

Oh yeah they are assignments not contracts

[ancient cove]

Just did a EDD speedrun with randoms:
Tip: Use Fat Boy to deal with Mactera spawns in third stage of EDD

[mellow cradle]

hmmm, is it a good idea?
don't the macters get too close when attacking for you to shoot fatboy and not get caught in the blast?

[ancient cove]

Most of the time the whoole swarm spawn in a visible range.
Obviosly you will not get each spawn, but our Engi killed a lot of them. and there is plenty of Nitra in EDD

[icy halo]

elite deep dives give its own matrix cores too tho right

different from the normal deep dive

[mellow cradle]

yes

[mellow cradle]

did they run proximity trigger?

[ancient cove]

I haven't checked it, but I guess so

Would make sense to me

[mellow cradle]

it would

but at the same time, I would be scared xd

[still geode]

prox trigger helps for that if you're careful

[humble gale]

I think I was pretty lucky with my escort mission it gave me a golden bug which made all the bugs drop a gold when they die but I also got Swarmagedon so all the lil guys dropped gold. I also got that pot of gold special from the bar. The only unlucky thing was one of the randoms who joined started the end fight alone and while everyone else was getting loot from the previous room. But I still came out with like over 1k gold before it converted into shekels or whatever currency we use on the station so I was pretty happy

[still geode]

you can aim closer to the edge of the cloud and still get the entire thing while not having it blow up as close to yourself

[humble gale]

That golden bug and Swarmagedon thing is pretty cool

[humble gale]

Killed this conversation lol

[mellow cradle]

well it's not really about the deep dives, lol

[coral pond]

Why use fat boy when i could use tcf :)

[humble gale]

Your right that's why I was like I killed this conversation

[vital agate]

Svsmg is criminally underrated

[stuck quiver]

EDD looks really hard this week. I don't think I can solo.

10 aquarqz + black box + shield disruption ... 😭

[wraith shard]

If I don't deposit and leave with the escape pod do I keep it?

[ancient cove]

yes

[olive flicker]

Just make bosco get all the aquarqs.

[vestal grotto]

Lovely magma core

[waxen fossil]

recently did a deep dive elite, second phase was without shields fucked us up

[worn prairie]

sup peeps

we need 2 more people

for our elite deepdive

👉🏻 👈🏻

[vital sluice]

if you're still looking I'm up for it

[dry crane]

what is a deep dive

[deft urchin]

3 missions in a row where health and ammo carries over

[dry crane]

oh

do you get any special rewards

[deft urchin]

yes

overclocks

1 blank, one weapon and one cosmetic

[dry crane]

oh ok

[hearty vector]

2nd phase of this weeks elite deep dive is fuuucked up

[deft urchin]

and the normal one has industrial sabotage

[olive flicker]

Still don't get why people hate caretaker so much.

[mellow cradle]

they don't like how the mission takes a long time, mostly due to backtracking between the power stations

[olive flicker]

It's like 2 steps in the dd map this week.

[sly ice]

How do i get people to join deep dives I have no friends

[mellow cradle]

you set the lobby to public

you can also post an invite in one of the lfg channels

[sly ice]

how do I post an invite

[deft urchin]

click the triangle button next to chat

It's a circle with a plus in

[brisk pagoda]

morkite is far worse about that, and the cave gen means you usually dont have any nitra for the first 2 rooms which i think is far more obnoxious than having to navigate a cave half the size of a medium morkite.

[mellow cradle]

but collecting morkite is considerably faster than disabling power stations

[ancient cove]

It's Hazard 3, just split in two teams and hack both power stations in the same time

[mellow cradle]

true

[balmy stone]

I’ll take looking for morkite scoobie snacks all day over dealing with shredders, phase bombs and hacking

On dd’s sabo’s alright I guess but it sucks on edd’s

[autumn egret]

I almost had the EDD solo with gunner

Lost all my lives to stupid mactera swarms

Triggering the dreadnought and kiting it was how I actually managed to get all the mini mules repaired without going down

[balmy stone]

Yeah they almost ended my run on the uplink

[thick sapphire]

for the current EDD i'd say overall it's probably fairly easy if you have a solid team working together and getting the objectives done, but if not it's brutal

nastiest threats are either taking too long on stage 2 or maybe all the mactera on stage 3

[balmy stone]

I agree and the terrain was also spicy

I got it first try with randoms that were good about throwing shields and covering blind spots

Scout did a good job kiting as well

[autumn egret]

Yeah it deffinitley wouldn't be bad with a good team. Alas I decided to try solo it with gunner and yeah... It was difficult.

The second stage was particularly rough. The swarm countdown with PE made it so that by the time I had the final aquarq the floor was made of glyphids and I had used two entire resupps worth of shields and ziplines just to make it out alive.

I kid you not I was at like 5 HP with a mactera projectile aimed at my back when I stepped into the drop pod

[balmy stone]

Half my team got wiped so I bolted as soon as it started dropping and if I was a few seconds later I would’ve died for sure

[hot vessel]

New to server. Where can I find info on this weeks deep dives?

[sharp grove]

pinned message

[thick sapphire]

starts with floor is lava, ends with the floor is glyphids and the air is mactera

[olive flicker]

Sounds like you weren't going fast enough. I like doing black box right after first swarm and by the time you're done with that you should be almost done with aquarqs.

Using something as cover for mactera helped a ton, which was just gunner shields a lot when repairing mules.

[thick sapphire]

my first four attempts in an ebonutshell

attempt 4 was us ready to start black box right after second swarm and the scout got completely lost

so by the time we actually started it it ended up overlapping with third swarm and we died

ideally you still want ammo in the platform turrets when you've launched the aquarqs and are waiting for the drop pod

[wary yew]

it wasn't too bad to solo either. also, i just did the normal deep dive and there was so much nitra. i started caretaker with 850... the line of resupplies was glorious to look at

[wary yew]

solo with engineer. engineer >>>>> insert any of the other classes here

[autumn egret]

How do you survive mactera plague on haz 5.5 with no shields in a small area? Seal yourself in with platforms?

[wary yew]

50% yes, 50% just kiil 'em. the shotgun Turret Whip mod is pretty strong for killing clumps of macteras

[wispy tusk]

that's a relief i only have engineer promoted

[wary yew]

I find the proximity grenades OP for macteras as well. Just in general tbh

[brisk pagoda]

spam stun or fear.

[dense sage]

Def not OP if it relies on them being close to the walls/columns, since they usually fly out of range in open spaces

[wary yew]

one well placed platform above your head works wonders in salvage operations like this though, and you can also stick grenads to the dropship. it's not a catch all by any means. having a Steve meat shield helps as well

[cunning pond]

I do my usual prayer for #nomagmacore and with some free time I log in today and what to I see.

The forsaken land of godlesshood.

[brisk pagoda]

uncharacteristically for magma core, this week actually has terrain to stand on

[cunning pond]

If you're lying I won't do anything because I'll already be dead and on fire.

[brisk pagoda]

only took like 3 hits of fire in the whole dive

[shadow matrix]

React if Bosco deserves a raise

[spiral badge]

What sort of raise? Robots don’t get paid

[night island]

More beer

[proven thorn]

Better equipment ig

Speaking of, isnt there a bet c in the 3rd EDD mission?

[olive flicker]

I didn't find one.

There are 2 spitballers right next to each other and 2 breeders.

[slow quarry]

pretty sure bet-cs aren't preseeded

[woeful niche]

they are to my knowledge

[rare pike]

btw what the deep dive stages?

[mellow cradle]

pins

[rare pike]

oh thanks

[paper oasis]

normal deepdive has enough nitra for days

first time cracked 1000 nitra

[urban pagoda]

If you got a decent Scout lol

[paper oasis]

i was the scout 😛

[olive flicker]

Boltshark users got any favourite builds? I'm trying new scout loadouts.

I tried electric special and cryo bolts, it's alright.

Gonna try pheromones next.

Couple bolts freeze a preto. Been pairing it with +damage +spread unstable oc on plasma carbine.

[mellow cradle]

I think 2 bolts are enough

[mellow cradle]

pheromone bolts are very good

they are good on their own, and even better with cryo or fire bolts

[olive flicker]

Yea the electric bolts were ok, putting down a couple in a line and baiting a pack.

But it felt cumbersome.

[rose gazelle]

i just accidenta1lly equipped a unupgraded primary for an EDD

[storm tulip]

Suffering

[dapper moth]

this week's DD's are a pain in the butt holy

[mellow tapir]

I thought the DD was super easy but EDD sucked

Magma core + shield disruption tho

[olive flicker]

When is DD ever difficult?

[dapper moth]

they're just long

standard DD is anyway

[olive flicker]

True that.

[dapper moth]

help
It took 57 minutes

[spiral badge]

This DD looks like a job for gunner

[hoary palm]

tried a deep dive solo with the scout today with the M1000 and the shotgun as the secondary. That was a mistake

💀

[mellow cradle]

why?

[hoary palm]

there were so many bugs lol

plus on the 2nd stage there was regenerative bugs and had 2 different Oppressors following me

[mellow cradle]

blowthrough on the m1k and boomstick should take care of the bugs

[young mulch]

Anyone else enjoy the mactera plague final stage?

[lament ibex]

any tips for the second stage in EDD?

[proud zealot]

hows the EDD this week

[outer cloud]

very easy cave generation, it was a breeze

[mellow cradle]

idk man, shield disruption on 10 aquarqs, and mactera plaque on salvage can be spicy

[olive flicker]

Fast fast fast

[balmy stone]

Pretty much

[still geode]

do black box early cuz spawns ramp over time

[olive flicker]

Black box either immediately at spawn or right after 1st swarm.

[balmy stone]

If you’re engi then you can make the terrain easier to move in plus not take damage from all the holes in the ground

Driller should make shortcuts so you can get in and out

[olive flicker]

If you're solo you don't have to go far from the rig, all 10 are visible from around the rig.

And if you can see them bosco can get them.

[balmy stone]

A lot of mine were in the cave at the very top so I had to make a trek up there

[ruby wolf]

i ran Sludge Driller for EDD Stage 2 and it went mostly better than my first attempt using Engie.

Wave 3 wasn't so bad after that.

(no it wasnt Solo.)

[mellow cradle]

how did you approach the uplink?

[balmy stone]

Plats on the ground and buried empty resups to make more space in the circle

Driller could’ve given us more space in the back wall but they only came from two directions with the way it was positioned

[mellow cradle]

did you have a platform roof?

[balmy stone]

There was an overhang from the cave and I blocked off the resup holes

I make ceilings with 4 or 5 platforms in a line against the wall when I do need them

Keeps the line of sight open and also bugs will go over roofs if they’re too big

[dusty sonnet]

hey guys my haz 5 assignment is bugged how do i fix

[onyx dirge]

Aren't you usually able to rejoin a deep dive? I can't rejoin after a crash

Third stage EDD crash again..

[mellow cradle]

1. After you get disconnected/crashed, go to the DD/EDD Terminal and find the lobby you were in before (it will be grayed out)
2. Mouse Right-Click on the lobby to open the Steam Profile of the Host.
3. If Host's profile isn't private/invisible etc. there should be a green "Join" button
4. Use the Join button to rejoin the lobby.

this is the only way, as you cannot join a deep dive in progress directly from the game

@onyx dirge

[onyx dirge]

Ah alright thanks

I can't see it anymore

[mellow cradle]

damn

it probably ended unfortunately

[onyx dirge]

Thanks for the advice anyways. Just gotta accept stage 3 is cursed for me this week

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[worthy anvil]

sounds like skill issue tbh, m1k and boomstick worked wonders for me in the deep dive

[lost vortex]

i blame stinky magma core

[restive steppe]

Can caretaker be affected by ifg?

[daring sandal]

playing deep dive solo, i see you enjoy pain

[earnest geode]

Fucking mactera plague. All my homies hate mactera plague.

[slate oxide]

what does one do with a blank matrix core?

[woven anvil]

I'd give this week's EDD about an 8/10 on difficulty, first stage ain't too bad, and you're gonna want to call a pod right before you get into the drop pod. Second stage starts you off being super swarmed with shield disruption, with some very dense swarms later on, and being an aquarq primary certainly doesn't help. The third stage is pretty damn hard with mactera plague on mini mule primary. You'll at least have a decent bit of breathing room at the beginning of stage 3 to get your bearings and resupply. If you play efficiently on the first 2 stages, nitra should be the least of your concerns on stage 3. Just make sure you have enough mactera cloud counters like RJ250 PGL or suppressive fire autocannon.

[zenith ember]

Do any normal missions and hope that there is a machine event(white box with triangle hole). Clearing it allows you to use the blank to exchange for a weapon OC or cosmetic

[slate oxide]

oh okay ty

[zenith ember]

Watch for the icon and the class it shows, there should be 2 weapons and 1 cosmetic icon for you to pick from.

[slate oxide]

cool my luck seems to be rlly bad not nothing for driller yet

[daring sandal]

personally i always pick the weapon when picking the core reward

slightly alters gameplay because of the weapon changes as opposed to cosmetics which usually gives me the bad ones

[boreal shuttle]

Mission 2 of the EDD is impossible

[spice summit]

fr just lost connection mid deep dive

[subtle rain]

after nearly 16 attempts the EDD is finally complete.

I can finally rest

[rose yacht]

mactera plague is pretty ez... with bullet hell + minigun stun mod.

being able to stun their asses by holding a button feels good.... except grabbers

[balmy cradle]

how's the first EDD?

[placid musk]

the hard part is the shield disruption on stage 2

the rest is pretty standard

bug spawns on stage 3 were eerily low for haz5.5

[pseudo wedge]

anyone livestream with me for a few min to see if u can help me fix the game not launching?

[proud coyote]

Is using fatboy the easy mode for elite deep dive ?

[full saddle]

not on sabotage thats for sure

[proud coyote]

Are you kidding ?

[mellow cradle]

no lol

[full saddle]

i dont really think fat boys a good pick for this week

[proud coyote]

I dunno the main difficulty back when I was trying it as scout was not enough damage, and the high haz 5 and + spawn rate meant i just gathered a constant horde behind me

[full saddle]

and yeah fat boys really rough on salvage most of the time a misplaced fat boy will just ruin your teams chances of actually doing the objectiver

[proud coyote]

But one fatboy round is a horde annihilator and a get out of jail card

[mellow cradle]

any other engi secondary can deal with hordes just fine

in a more flexible way

without having 5 shots

[proud coyote]

I dunno I just found deep dives still tense but doable since I started running them with fatboy and resupplier

Last stage is always a nuke spam

Since I hoard nitra through the entire deep dive (0 resupply on first mission, 2 on second mission, 5-6 on last, didn't use them all)

[mellow cradle]

do you play solo?

also, the third EDD stage has mactere plaque, so you must be careful to not blow yourself up when they fly close to you

the last stage also has a hiveguard, and fatboy is not so great against dreads

[cold jetty]

Just did my first ever deep dive today it was really fun

[full saddle]

rock and stone, nice one

[cold jetty]

They're really long tho way longer than regular missions

The pay out is fantastic tho not Even talking like ocs and stuff like the xp is really good

[cold jetty]

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[ancient cove]

If someone from Europe needs help, feel free to ping me

[proud coyote]

It worked pretty well, some of my nukes flew through the mactera swarms but I only need to hit one to clear the mass of fliers

And it worked fine against the dreadnought too, used shredders and stubby to shoot the summons, then one fatboy to almost kill all the glowy bits (finished with studdy) then fatboy from a distance so i don't have to aim for the glowing ass while it's throwing volleys of exploding rocks, repeat 3 times and hiveguard done

Only got downed twice, both of which when repairing the mini mule at the bottom of the cave, this hole was a death trap with very little place to move

Also, I only saw one stingtail around the end and it got randomly crushed by my last resupply drop

[olive flicker]

Just be bosco whisperer and have him one shot the mactera swarms.

[proud coyote]

Oh yeah I always forget about rockets

Guess that's why I didn't take upgrades for them

[zenith ember]

Id say fatboy is actually decent against hiveguard's 3 tumor stage

[pliant yoke]

But so are other classes’ options, and that’s basically the only sensible use case of Fat Boy in Dread fights for it

[zenith ember]

Yeah

[ancient cove]

High AOE damage like C4 or Fat Boy are most useful to do damage to multiple targets. And this is exactly how you should use it.
For Caretaker to take out his vents, for Dreadnought Hiveguard to destroy his protrusion weakpoints in his second stage or to destroy multiple Sentinels at once.
I agree here, that for other type of Dreadnoughts AOEs are not very practical.

Therefore I wouldn't take Fat Boy to an Elimination mission, but for a Deep Dive where you have to fight only 1 dread, I wouldn't focus on him, unless maybe you're doing the deep dive completely solo, but in this case I would take a completely different secondary, which can deal with multiple targets and a single target similar good.

[proud coyote]

Fatboy is good against anything when I'm hoarding nitra and playing solo so all 4 reloads of any resupply pods are mine

here's my fort at the end of this week's normal deep dive (fatboy worked well against the caretaker) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806954062775320617/1127238615932608582/image.png?width=817&height=460

[coral pond]

Try to get Fat Boy lovers to use anything else challenge(Impossible)

[proud coyote]

Hey, as long as it works

[tall meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/1127930978673889440/20230710175926_1.jpg?width=1051&height=591

EDD fun

[ancient cove]

true to that, I forgot that alone you have all 4 resupply slots 😅

[cobalt raven]

what's the best upgrades for the plasma rifle?

i don't really like it like it is, feels weird

[dense sage]

do you mean mod setup or OCs
what feels lacking to you

[cobalt raven]

upgrades

idk how to say them in english

i'm not native

sorry mods yeah

[subtle rain]

I still cant believe we Had 2 bulks spawn at the same time yesterday during stage 1 of the elite

[lusty ice]

What hazard level is edd?

[olive flicker]

4.5/5/5.5

[lusty ice]

wow, i have never done haz5 before 😓

[celest ruin]

it is suggested that you be comfortable with haz 5's before attempting edds

for your and your teammate's sanity

[outer cloud]

edd is easier than many haz 5 missions tbh because there isn't as much random shit going on

so if you get comfy with haz 5 then edd will feel easy

[ancient cove]

Depens on missions

[outer cloud]

no random stuff like tyrant weed spawning next to doretta refueling spot

[ancient cove]

That's true.
But missions where you have to hack or hold points like black boxes can spawn a ton of bugs on Haz 5.5.

Caretaker can be also very difficult, because it spawns a lot of shredders and other robots

[olive flicker]

Just do them solo so you only affect your own sanity.

[sinful dew]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-gif-21824862

Just completed my first DeepDive

[main gate]

How many hours do you have

[storm tulip]

Congrats friend!

[daring sandal]

rank over 2000 dang son

[lusty ice]

Just completed my first EDD with no familiarity with haz5

I had a great team tho, we played our roles perfectly

[olive flicker]

Imo if you regularly play haz 4 you're good to go for edd.

[cursive skiff]

hello

[near onyx]

finished my first ever deep dive, that was fun, had a great team

[vagrant quest]

2nd stage edd felt harder than 3rd stage

otherwise pretty comfy deep dives in general

[willow tendon]

What do you guys reccomend for the Engineers turrets.
I like playing Engi, though i feel like the time i need to spend building the turrets is awefully long.

It might be that, due to my rookie status, i'd misplay here a bit though

[outer cloud]

1221 is good

you don't always need to have your sentries out, many engis i see spend too much time placing their sentries only to recall them in 20 seconds because the rest of the team has already moved on

[coral pond]

Quick deploy is a must have imo

Gemini is just better than mk2, and defender outclasses hawkeye by miles

The tier 3 choice is pretty much the only one with actual options imo, that being stun vs armor break

Armor break helps it's killing power, so it's not spending like 50 ammo trying to kill something cause armor is in the way

Stun is more supportive and helpful for chokes and suppressing swarms imo

Both have their value, you choose which of the two you'd like

[young yew]

You can go mk2 hawkeye with fast build, the lazy engineer's choice.

That way you only have 1 sentry to manage, you don't care about the angle, it is more ammo efficient, it will cover a large area as a spotter and cleaner and you can build it quickly.

[spiral badge]

Yeah I don’t necessarily think Gemini is a requirement for every mission type, I use it on escort and usually elimination but I think it’s flexible on most other things

And Hawkeye I think is maybe better in elimination so you can tell the turret(s) to only shoot the dreads and ignore anything else

[coral pond]

Gemini outputs better dps than mk2 in every situation, and in any mission where you're moving a lot is far more flexible

Hawkeye is definitely not better in elim, one of the big upsides of turrets is clearing out shitters so telling it to ignore said shitters is purely a downside, not to mention you're losing the massive damage gain of defender

[coral pond]

• using gemini efficiently you're only managing one turret a majority of the time anyways
• the limited angle is an upside and taking an extra 2 seconds to consider where you place your turret isn't a big deal
• covering a large area is actually bad cause it's wasting ammo on things that aren't a threat more often than not

[lean crescent]

Honestly I think both are applicable in any situation it’s just how you use them that counts

Sure, the MK 2 is less concentrated with its fire, but I often use it on higher haz’s with the intention of it firing at the smaller annoying things so the rest of the team can focus on the big boys

Gemini having limited area coverage does allow you to concentrate where they’re shooting

But that requires taking a few seconds to get them to the best position, and a few seconds to reload the both of them when they run low

And on haz 5, a few seconds is the difference between life and death

The Mk2 is a bit more “fire and forget” than Gemini, which has its own upsides and downsides

I use both depending on which loadout I use (and how much I feel like using my brain) to play effectively to that particular loadout

[still geode]

those few seconds you need to think are compensated for within a few seconds by how much it does

gem defender reloading really isn't a big deal, especially because you get more upfront damage loaded than any other combo on those mod tiers

you build them, they come with ammo when built, and two gemini turrets with defender has the highest amount of damage potential with said ammo

also you can hold r to recall them, if they are recalled and then rebuilt they'll be refilled with ammo

[lean crescent]

True

[still geode]

and using hte limited angle to have the turret only watch your flanks instead of shooting the grunts coming from the front also saves a lot of refilling

while passively prioritizing the enemies you want it to shoot

or you can intentionally point it towards the chokepoint if you're using turret whip, being able to rest assured that if a bug show sup behind you, you won't accidentally shoot yourself or your teammates with turret whip due to it suddenly doing a 180 flip

[worldly root]

is there anyway for me to desselect an assingment?

[dense sage]

most yea
you can abort from the same terminal
some lock you in, they state as much before you choose them

[worldly root]

so i cannot abort this one?

the critical corruption part 1

[dense sage]

correct

[spiral badge]

Think it’s mostly just those season ones you get locked in

[dense sage]

can’t abort prestige assignments iirc

[daring sandal]

ew, got disconnected on the third stage

we were doing so well too

we got data rack + mini mule which got me thinking, does that mean we would've had to do both of their "finales"? fighting the caretaker and the mini mule stand off survival at the end

never found out because dc'd

[proper matrix]

Doesnt hawkeye/mk2 have considerably improved target "Lock on/switch" time vs not?

A smoother, slightly quicker targetting system or w/e

[proper matrix]

Minimule is just a side objective if it were caretaker first

Mission would end like caretaker's typically would, but with the added 5 second wait as the droppod picks up the additional minumule(s) first before BET-C goes in & the DP gates open

All in all, no real alteration from the typical run to droppod finale

[ashen bobcat]

I completed my first elite deep dive

the second mission was wayyy harder than the third

[spiral badge]

I think mini mule is only allowed to be a side objective, unless it’s coupled with something passive like morkite or eggs

[hollow citrus]

mini mule as main objective is just normal salvage mission

[dense sage]

no shield in magma core is a special hell

[ancient cove]

Funny thing, each time I played, people said "lol, I didn't even noticed that we have no shields".
It was easy

[spiral badge]

Ok DD stage 1 is kind of annoying

But then i probably shouldn’t be trying to listen to a podcast at the same time

[turbid dawn]

is the highscore on the jet boots game the same for everyone?

[ancient cove]

No, it's bound to the lobby

[runic forum]

dude the second stage of the deep dive is genuinely cancer

whos the guy who thought shield disruption was a good idea i want to punch them

[pliant yoke]

It is challenging in a way, but do mind that you have a passive damage reduction on SD to compensate for the lack of shield

[turbid dawn]

thats kinda sadge

[eternal frost]

new to deep dive, any tips?

[full saddle]

mine all the nitra you can because it carries over between stages

[pliant yoke]

Play one, see what happens and how you can manage it

Also, don’t stress too much about nitra preservation

[lofty crown]

this elite deep dive is kicking my ass

[full saddle]

if you're okay with spoilers, check the pinned message and see what's on the docket and tailor your build for it

[eternal frost]

i've done it once, and died at the last mission during caretaker

do i have to do all objectives in a mission?

[full saddle]

mhm

[lofty crown]

deep dives are super varied! you do have to

[full saddle]

the secondary objectives in the DD arent really secondaries like normal one

they're required objectives

[full saddle]

stage 2 i assume?

[lofty crown]

the only general advice is to not waste nitra. make sure you have some for next stage

stage 2 and 3, actually :( at least last night

i played with the same group of randoms twice, we died stage 2 first, then we barely pulled through stage 2 on the second, but couldnt handle the mactera swarms and 2 naedocytes

[full saddle]

i think the key to this weeks DD is having a scout that gets all the aquarqs on s2 relatively quickly, and a gunner on s3 that actually uses shields

[lofty crown]

gooootcha, i thought that black box mightve been prio bc easier to deal with w/o 37544985 mini swarms

[mellow cradle]

do the black box on s2 first thing

[full saddle]

well, i've only run it with premades/solo so the priority is a little different

i know the swarm timings enough to get the aquarqs done asap and i like to do them early and then do the BB before first swarm

[eternal frost]

oh it says what missions on pin

[lofty crown]

right, gotcha!! i pushed for that when i played, but we were slow on the uptake too (dealing with all of the spawns at the beginning was hard)

[eternal frost]

would have been helpful

[full saddle]

yeah dedi's definitely right though

considering how aquarq missions work with swarms and ramping spawns

[lofty crown]

no comms + a random who forgot to read chat sometimes LMAO

mhmmmmmm

shield disruption w/ the magma spots is AWFUL

[full saddle]

yeah absolutely

[eternal frost]

is it worth to do it solo or should i wait until someone joins before starting

[lofty crown]

some people like the surprise!!

[full saddle]

especially if you have someone on your team who uses explosives a lot

[lofty crown]

easiest with 4 imo

but ive never done it solo

in general, this game is more designed to have 4 players...? it can get dicey alone (bosco is not the most reliable)

[mellow cradle]

some people will say that solo is easier, and some will say that a full team is easier

[lofty crown]

it might depend on your mindset/playstyle too tbh

[full saddle]

solo's pretty nice with DDs because of the abundance of nitra and all resupplies to yourself, and i enjoy moving a bit quickly which doesnt mesh well with everyone in pubs

[lofty crown]

sometimes teammates can get you killed, directly or indirectly (them making mistakes, you making mistakes trying to be too altruistic etc.)

but they're a great help, depending on your class (you wont catch me playing solo scout on hazard 5, for example)

[eternal frost]

what happens if a teammate gets downed between missions

[full saddle]

and solo does have pretty low spawns compared to 4 player, especially noticable this week on mactera swarms in s3 where its actually extremely low threat compared to regular 5.5 BBs

they come back at the start of the next one

[eternal frost]

can we proceed, or do we have to rez em

[full saddle]

you can just move on

[lofty crown]

proceed!!

[mellow cradle]

you can proceed

[full saddle]

no real benefit to ressing them

[lofty crown]

dont worry about them, just go if you need to

i forgot that solo has smaller swarms too, the mactera swarms on s3 EDD with 4 players were horrific

[eternal frost]

do they participate on the next one?

[full saddle]

i believe you come back at the start of next stage with the same hp as if you got ressed?

yep

[lofty crown]

they do!

[full saddle]

they're on the drop pod with you

[lofty crown]

yup

it happened to me, we left 2 players behind on stage 2, and they were res'd with normal res health

[full saddle]

dunno what class you play but snowball driller is super good for this weeks s3

[eternal frost]

so going for the pod when everyone else is down is a strat?

or will i get kicked

[full saddle]

nah thats what you should do

if you can get in the pod, go

[mellow cradle]

you are mission insurance

[eternal frost]

i like playing scout but im trying to play with all of em

[full saddle]

in general, if you're the last one up and the pods there and you can get back, just go for it. it's really rare for someone to legitimately get upset that you didnt try to solo save a mission by ressing everyone instead of just leaving

[eternal frost]

been spending a couple of days promoting them all

[full saddle]

its way better to complete a mission with 1 player than lose with all 4

[mellow cradle]

especially on a deep dive which takes ~45 minutes

[full saddle]

yeah id be legitimately upset if i lost in s3 because someone wanted to get the reses instead of just leaving lmao

[eternal frost]

ok ok i might try again tomorrow

[lofty crown]

if someone actually gets upset, they don't understand how it works

honestly, even outside of deep dives, it's prob best to just go

if it's way too dicey/you cant get out of a bad situation easily

as scout with special powder and pheromone grenades, i tend to try, bc i can get out of there if it's too dicey

[mellow cradle]

the way I do it, if at least one person is in the pod, then the others can try to go be heroes

[lofty crown]

yup!!

[eternal frost]

thanks guys

[zenith ember]

Saving the run is always better than attempting to save 1 person that is being swarmed

[lofty crown]

np!! gl with your deep dives :D

[zenith ember]

Especially on deep dives, no one wants to repeat the 40 min run, and they get res on the next stage

[lofty crown]

in normal matches, the bonus for escaping is pretty small iirc, so it's not worth losing at all

[zenith ember]

Yeah that too in general

[lofty crown]

also tbh, i don't think i've ever had someone get upset about being left

ppl tend to understand that it's best!

[coral pond]

I've seen people make snarky remarks about it, but most of the randoms i've played wjth understand it's better to save the mission than go on a rescue mission that could have us lose everything

[frail arrow]

ha

[boreal badge]

Hello tryhard here 👋🏻
I here to ask if you have "best" build to follow for all classes ?

[coral pond]

Good luck getting that answer here lmao

[young yew]

There is no such thing. Everyone has their favorites and ideal setups, suitable for their playing styles. That being said, some are more viable than others, and it also varies according to mission type and haz level.

Like with engie I'm a big fan of Stubby and Hawkeye turret, and it regularly helps me win EDDs. Others think these two are weak and can't imagine not taking shotgun, defender system and the electric turret thing

[trim cedar]

Play how you enjoy, search up on the reddit for the different varieties of builds + sometimes bonus explanations for what they do.

Sticking to an efficient or better gun meta isn't even something I'd consider in DRG simply because different combinations do diff things and you can play shit on a good build and great on a diff one

[young yew]

Definition of "best" is where the problems start. Are you going for dps? Ammo? Stunning and kiting? Support, tank, efficient frontline killer? Are you looking to run multiple setups suitable for different missions, or (like me) do you just try to keep one that suits you best without switching much?

[pliant yoke]

a large influx of BEES outta put a stop to that!

[trim cedar]

Find what works for you and explore, and if you want recommended builds (I just searched it all on Reddit tbh). Eventually you'll be able to unlock most things so there's no real pressure to experimenting!!

[still geode]

dps: minelayer
ammo: hellfire
stunning and kiting: minelayer + hellfire
support: minelayer + hellfire
tank: minelayer + hellfire
efficient frontline killer: minelayer
multiple setups: minelayer + hellfire, LSLS + hellfire
one setup: minelayer + hellfire

i dont see the issues here

feels like minelayer/hellfire is the best build ngl

[trim cedar]

(I am 50 hours fresh, but I prefer more ammo so I don't need to waste supply drops in join coop)

[pliant yoke]

What do you mean by “waste supply drops”?

[gentle garden]

What t5 mod to unlock on corrosive sludge

._.

[trim cedar]

(I realized this was the deep dive and not reg discussion, I meant resupply pods but I'm also dipping out sometimes the team members take all the ammo before you can )

[pliant yoke]

T5B is great, the first one is less so BUT it can offer some additional crowd control during say, Elimination/dread fights

[young yew]

You better believe me when I say there's no problem a handy briefcase full of bees can't solve

[pliant yoke]

Well, I’d say that it’s your responsibility to take your resupply whenever you can, but if somebody else is taking your resupply, then thats not very rock and stone of them

More ammo doesn’t necessarily help you conserve your ammo, though, is what I’m trying to say

[young yew]

It's gunner

[trim cedar]

It's okay, I've learned to work around it! And I prefer having more situationally because my aim isn't the best.

Thankfully it doesn't happen all the time

[young yew]

I usually prefer to err on the generous side of ammo. Especially as engie, it's common to run out easily on H5+

[trim cedar]

I've really been enjoying cyro driller, but engi interests me so much (the last one I need to play out). I'd assume more platforms couldn't hurt anyways

I promised to promote the driller before trying out anything though, so I'll probably grab a duo and get that done after work tonight.

I both want to do deep dives and worry about actually experiencing them.

[young yew]

Sounds great, have fun

DD is pretty tame

EDD not so much usually, but still doable. A good challenge for most teams.

[mellow cradle]

I finished the regular deep dive yesterday with 800 nitra

[trim cedar]

I've been seeing exp from the gallery screens @ _ @ that's wild

[young yew]

I'm on my way to blue level 200. Another guy is on like 2300 with 3000 as their next goal 😄

Usually blue level 100 and above can be relied upon to know their stuff. But I often seen ppl with lower numbers doing a bang up job too.

With greenbeards the biggest problem is usually hitting buttons too early, not knowing the prep for OMEN and, of course, being relatively weak at basics like kiting and general survival.

[ashen marten]

So I just got access to my first ever deep dive, and I was just curious as to how difficult it is, should I be concerned?

[burnt sandal]

regular deep dives are hazard 3/3.5/3.5 on difficulty
elite deep dives are hazard 4.5/5/5.5

[ashen marten]

Thank you, that cleared up some concern for me

[spring orbit]

normal deep dives are basically just slightly harder and much longer versions of a bunch of normal missions
EDD's are alot more hectic due to being on the high hazzard spectrum

[cosmic nimbus]

any1 wanna do an EDD?

[timid forge]

I'm running normal deep dive, who's joining?

[slate stump]

how hard is edd this week?

i was thinking of trying it solo, but i don't know if i stand a chance

[timid forge]

look in pinned

[proud coyote]

It went well for me using fatboy

[spiral badge]

Who are you calling fatboy?!?!

[eternal frost]

just try it, it only costs time

[earnest jacinth]

Are miniboss/Gen spawns preseeded?

Asking for EDD stage 2

[coral pond]

Wdym exactly

[spiral badge]

Miniboss meaning….like oppys?

[earnest jacinth]

Stuff like BETC, spitballers, nemesis, spawners, etc

[slate stump]

is 1st stage of edd supposed to have 2 bulks?

or is it randomized

[ancient cove]

I don't have a technical accurate answer to it.
I can only tell from my experience, that there are some preseeded enemies, like spitballers who will scale with players count and there is increased chance for some to spawns like Bulk Detonator.
Bulk Detonator is somehow preseeded to have a spawn chance in one of objective triggered swarms.
I played last week EDD like 4 times, and a Bulk spawned on the second stage during the Black Box like 3 of 4 times. I believe the one time he hasn't spawned, we were only 2 dwarfs because one crashed and one left. But I can't be certain.
Also I experienced something similar in the past, where a Bulk would spawn in one of Heartstone stages in one of Deep Dive missions.

[proud coyote]

I also had a bulk during last week's edd's black box event (i fatboy'd it)

[slate stump]

i had 3 bulks in 2nd stage of edd last week

[proud coyote]

So maybe some of their spawns are scripted

But I had none during this edd

[slate stump]

i tried soloing edd now and i got 2 bulks, but 2nd spawned during uplink

couldn't do much

[proud coyote]

Is it also true for BET C ?

[pliant yoke]

That’s not how disruptive/special enemy spawns work

[proud coyote]

Enlighten me

please

[olive flicker]

Some spawns are scripted, which is to say all spawns are not scripted.

Enemies spawned with the cave obv are seeded.

[pliant yoke]

It’s complex and typing about this is going to take forever, BUT

https://youtu.be/tLiX_GJRdWw

Check out this resource if you have the time

It goes well into details of how spawning of certain enemies works

[olive flicker]

Does blistering necrosis OC for the microwave work on dreads?

I'm assuming no.

[ancient cove]

shoutout to people who datamined it

[ashen marten]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new...

Can you do deep dives with others, or is it solo only?

[spiral badge]

Either or

Solo, join or host just like normal missions. Only difference is once a DD has started it can’t be joined

[ashen marten]

Ok, that makes sense, thank you!

[earnest jacinth]

Bulks that spawn during swarms are random
(Context: I only had one spawn)

[vale ravine]

it does work on dreads

even works on the hiveguard when its invulnerable

not going to do damage obviously but it does place the blisters so you can pop them later

[olive flicker]

Huh, how come no one ever uses it then?

Gotta try it.

[vale ravine]

most complaints for blistering necrosis are about the 10% proc chance, its a bit low

[olive flicker]

I only recently learnt I could damage hiveguard with sludge launcher anywhere as long as his butt was open.

[vale ravine]

sludge + blisters is probably the best dread killer build for driller

because sludge can hit the dread and the blister at once for insane damage

[broken tulip]

A

[vocal current]

what's the best secondary for driller?

[old widget]

yes

[quasi bough]

thin contentment scout is dead field

[old widget]

also, thin containment field is dead scout

[trim cedar]

I need to do one more promote mission!! I will though, probably write a lfg here after

[covert turret]

hey guys is the deep dive easy or not? gotta bring some newbies down idk if I should

[spiral badge]

If they’re good at shooting it should be fine

[mellow cradle]

the regular dd is easy enough

[open needle]

Anyone wanna do a elite deep dive?

[lament ibex]

this elite deep dive is something else man. stage 2 is a pain

any tips?

[high storm]

Use a bunker for the black box but wait till after the first swarm, it comes quickly. A 2nd swarm should right after that before you could leave it

No solid strat for aquarks except like 4 of them are in the ceiling. Have scout get them before and after the bunker and swarms

[lament ibex]

ok. thx

[high storm]

A lookout for scout is good too. Bugs spawn often, dont want him going down too far up

[iron estuary]

what should i bring for the elite deep dive? i've done two deep dives solo, but i wanna try out an elite deep dive

[high storm]

Skill
This elite is Notably more challenging than usual though

[iron estuary]

oh

[high storm]

Id recommend neurotoxin payload if you plau gunner
Pheromones if scout
Then PGL if your engie

[lament ibex]

is stun sweeper an okay choice too

[iron estuary]

i've never even done a level 5 haz before lmfao

[high storm]

Not sure
Dont really user it over cryo and Pheromone

[high storm]

Definitely dont recommend you do an EDD yet then let alone this one

[iron estuary]

fair enough

[high storm]

For reference theres been maybe 4 elite deep dives ive needed 2 attempts for
This one ive failed 3 times

[iron estuary]

damn

i should probably try to do a haz 5 lol

i'm almost lvl 30 and i haven't even tried haz 5

[quartz birch]

what are my odds of surviving a solo EDD as gunner lol

he's my most upgraded dwarf

but obv low mobility might be an issue

guess there's only one way to find out

[quartz birch]

oh.

well!

TIME TO DIE I SUPPOSE

[mellow cradle]

solo gunner should be good

mobility shouldn't be a problem as bosco will grab all the aquarks for you

[dense sage]

solo gunner is your best option against a potential surprise bulk during edd2’s black box

[mellow cradle]

and the shield will be very nice for black box and mactera uplink

[quartz birch]

oh ok nice

good deal then

never done a solo EDD before, running lead storm, wonder if i should swap to fragmentation missiles instead

[coral pond]

Frag missiles overrated imo. If you got minelayer tho, pretty solid

[mellow cradle]

some sort of fear or stun would be good for the mactera

but remember that you have to fight hiveguard

[mellow cradle]

hot take, I wouldn't take minelayer on this EDD

[quartz birch]

i dont have minelayer yet

[mellow cradle]

it's going to turn the floor into magma, and isn't good against mactera or hiveguard

[quartz birch]

frag missiles is my best hurricane overclock atm, ill just mod for damage and stun to cover my bases

[coral pond]

Oh right magma core

[mellow cradle]

what secondary are you considering?

[coral pond]

Frag missiles will do the same as minelayer iirc, so have fun with lava floor

[quartz birch]

i basically only use bulldog on gunner but apparently my hellfire OC for the coil gun is super good and i havent played with it enough

so i might try that

[mellow cradle]

well, true, if they hit the floor
with minelayer it's guaranteed

[mellow cradle]

I would recommend doing that
hellfire with the fear upgrade should do wonders for the mactera

and since your aoe needs would be covered, you could take lsls

[coral pond]

Lsls + hellfire is pretty optimal. Not minelayer levels of optimal, but it's up there

[quartz birch]

lsls?

[spiral badge]

DD stage 1 is annoying this week due to the placement of the mine head in relation to the pumps

[coral pond]

Good driller makes that a non issue

[mellow cradle]

leadstorm overclock for the leadstorm minigun

[spiral badge]

Yeah but I don’t really wanna fight caretaker as driller particularly (solo)

[coral pond]

Sludge + epc, easy

[quartz birch]

"easy"

still sounds annoying

just best shot for driller

[quartz birch]

tyty

[mellow cradle]

even better with VIM or sludge blast

[coral pond]

Caretaker in general is annoying tbh

[quartz birch]

is see you in hell good for solo saves? you can heal with it after death right?

yeah caretaker is definitely annoying

[mellow cradle]

see you in hell doesn't heal you?

[quartz birch]

i mean if you use it and then grab some sugar

or something

[mellow cradle]

do you mean iron will?

[coral pond]

See you in hell doesn't res you

[quartz birch]

oh

i meant iron will

my bad

LOL

[coral pond]

Yeah iron will is always good

[mellow cradle]

its a one more revive practically on solo

[quartz birch]

ok ill definitely take that then

[mellow cradle]

I tend to take heightened senses on solo, but that's just me

[spiral badge]

I always prefer gunner if I’m taking caretaker on solo so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quartz birch]

i considered that, but it just feels Wrong to not have dash equipped

dash my beloved

[mellow cradle]

yeah, you would have to give up iron will

your choice really

(remember that macteta grabbers will be more frequent)

I didn't see many leeeches on my plathrough though

[quartz birch]

true true

good point

[coral pond]

I'd genuinely give up dash before iron will

Gunner has the safety net to not rely on dash so heavily thankfully

[mellow cradle]

that is true

gunner doesn't have to run from bad situations

[coral pond]

I'd say engi relies on dash the most, followed by driller then gunner then scout

[quartz birch]

is the damage reduction on veteran despositor decent for solo stuff?

[dusky mauve]

Not really unless youre putting a lot of effort into micromanaging it and not getting hit is easier

[quartz birch]

ok thats kind of what i was thinking anyway

ty

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713872428727795815/1128445910012137603/image.png

final loadout

still probably gonna die tho

my group always does a beer + dance ritual before missions

gotta do it by myself this time

[coral pond]

Would really recommend a small adjustment to that minigun setup

[quartz birch]

yeah?

[coral pond]

Same with the coilgun actually

[quartz birch]

feel free

[mellow cradle]

and with perks xd

[quartz birch]

LISTEN I LIKE DEEP POCKETS

i know its not optimal lol

if i cant mine the whole vein as soon as i see it my dumb ass will forget to come back to it

[mellow cradle]

that's why I wasn't saying anything before dingus initiated

I don't want to put my meta slave ideals onto you lmao

[quartz birch]

no its ok though it's good to know the meta regardless

and i dont

[spiral badge]

You look like a turtle. A very deadly turtle

[quartz birch]

I CANT HELP IT ALL GUNNERS LOOK LIKE TURTLES

but deadly ones indeed

alligator snapper

[coral pond]

Minigun;

• t1: accuracy. The thing becomes a deadly laser with that
• t4: damage. That 15% on full spinup is huge with leadstorm
• t5: hot bullets or aggvent. Catg really just isn't as good as the other two options

Coilgun;

• t1: ammo. More ammo is always good
• t2: cmf. Partial charges are amazing no matter what
• t5: electric trail. Paired with partial charging from t2, you can kill grunts and web spitters with a bare minimum shot, and only using 10 ammo from coilgun to do so(which also ties into picking t1 ammo

[mellow cradle]

and my 2 cents are: power attack damage bonus lets you one shot slashers on haz5+, and the vampire perk basically ensures that you keep standing after iron will

[spiral badge]

Am I wrong for not being fond of the coil gun?

[mellow cradle]

it kind of sucks without hellfire or mole

[coral pond]

Without ocs it's not great so i understand

And the other secondaries have pretty fun ocs too

[quartz birch]

minigun:
for t1 i figured rate of fire = dps and that accuracy isnt really an issue most times, unless im fighting caretaker or something. that's the only one of your suggestions im not so sure about

for t4 i wasnt sure how much time i actually spend at full spinup so figured shorter spinup would help increase my accuracy faster since i didnt take the accuracy mod. but lsls spins up pretty quick i guess

for t5 i just took catg to simplify cooldown management, but that's just a skill issue i guess, i should try to get used to one of the other two

[spiral badge]

The game is being super stingy with gunner OCs for me. Gives me plenty of driller/engie and even a couple scout

I got the clean leadstorm OC though which is what I have now

[quartz birch]

coilgun:
t1: never really had ammo issues with the coilgun. but that's probably just bc i dont use it enough with hellfire
t2: i considered cmf but wasnt sure about it. will take it
t5: same here. this makes sense. will take

[coral pond]

I understand your sentiments about t1, but also remember the minigun ammo is effectively halved because each shot uses 2 bullets(shit system, same goes for the scout's zhukovs btw)

And for t5, heat management is generally pretty easy to get used to, very easy to go from being bad at it to good at it. hot bullets lets you balance heat above 50% with a pure upside, and aggvent rewards you for mistakenly overheating(or purposefully). Aggvent also lets you focus a large target while the grunts are getting close and then rewards you by fearing and igniting them all(i will admit this takes practice to pull off without dying but it's worth it imo)

[quartz birch]

this is very good advice

im not good with situational stuff usually so maybe ill try hot bullets

[dusky mauve]

id run 32113 for lsls you can run blowthrough but you dont really shoot through crowds with hellfire on;
22213 for hellfire you can also run 23212 overcharger and shockwave both suck tho and you have infinite ammo with t1b

you can proc the fear even on a minimum charge level

[quartz birch]

32113 looks good for lsls

ty

[dusky mauve]

oh and for armor id run 3213 the shield mods are bait

[quartz birch]

reallyu???

[dusky mauve]

breathing room still very good solo

[mellow cradle]

the shield explosion mod deals between 8 to 15 damage

[quartz birch]

😐

[coral pond]

15 damage is only enough to kill a swarmer btw

[quartz birch]

that's so lame lol

[mellow cradle]

and that 15 is only reached when the enemy is very close to you

the explosion has damage fall off

for the stun mod, it doesn't actually stun, but electrifies

[spiral badge]

Always do HP over shield

[quartz birch]

ok good to know

i will inform my team as well

[dusky mauve]

static discharge is even more meme not only can it not stun but it does 2 damage over 2s but I guess it applies an 80% slow

[quartz birch]

my thought was "never let it get to the hp" i guess

but the shield mods are shit

apparently

[dusky mauve]

never taking hp damage is good on paper but in reality theres a lot of chip damage in this game and never taking that much damage is unrealistic

[coral pond]

Oh and for perks, deep pockets is alright if you wanna keep it, even i sometimes use it. But i'd definitely trade out thorns for vampire. Dedi already mentioned that it'll let you stay up after iron will if you melee kill a grunt or higher, but also with coilgun the trail will kill swarmers and such(it looks like you have the shockwave mod too which helps ensure they die) and this also pairs nicely with running ammo and cmf, so it doesn't feel horrible to use the coilgun for those little shits

[dusky mauve]

3rd perk for lsls/hellfire is pretty flexible I mostly still run born ready because I dont wanna reload the coilgun

[spiral badge]

Also driller axe counts for melee for vampire

[mellow cradle]

think about it like this: in this game, do you die from constant chip damage, or high bursts of damage?
the health upgrade simply gives more points, so its more likely to save you when the going gets tough

[earnest geode]

I die from falling.

[mellow cradle]

that is a high burst of damage as well

and the hp upgrade helps more with that than the shield

[dusky mauve]

also just noticed youre not running the fall damage on ziplines, its permanent til you get downed and you can hop on it as host which is pmuch just as fast as the speed from the upgrade

[quartz birch]

even constant chip damage would wear down the shield pretty quickly tbh

i havent looked at my zipline mods in like

[coral pond]

Iirc, the shield vs health mods is like

[quartz birch]

300 hours

[coral pond]

5 shield vs 25 health

[mellow cradle]

this still works?

[dusky mauve]

worked in s3 and not aware of it having changed yet

[quartz birch]

i wanted the speed bc ziplines are fucking painfully slow

[coral pond]

I don't think i ever saw the fall damage thing get fixed in the patch notes

But i run speed too cause fuck how slow they are

[spiral badge]

Don’t forget sometimes there’s shield disruption meaning extra shield stuff does no good

[slate stump]

tried doing my first edd solo and i gave up after kiting bugs for nearly 1 hour in 2nd stage

i reached the point when there was no break between swarms lmao

[dusky mauve]

ye thats fair but you can just jump and grab it again to go faster

[spiral badge]

But there’s no health disruption

[coral pond]

Being in an aquarqs mission for more than like 10-15 minutes results in pure pain and annoyance

[slate stump]

yeah but i couldn't locate the aquarqs

being chased entire time

and bosco was just there chilling 😄

[coral pond]

I've actually been doing that lately. Fallen to my death a few times cause i fucked up the input

[slate stump]

and somehow i got 3 bulks in 1st stage

i kinda want to try scout instead, but how do i survive uplink after i spend my time collecting aquarqs

too greenbeard for doing this solo

[mellow cradle]

pheromones and / or cryo nades

on solo, you probably won't get bigger mactera clouds than 10, so a single phero bolt should distract them

[dusky mauve]

if youre going with scout id def run double barrel

[mellow cradle]

also m1k fear is good here

[outer cloud]

fear mod on m1k is also good for buying time

[dusky mauve]

trivialises salvage/blackboxes

[boreal shuttle]

Bro my group has died on stage 2 of the EDD 4 times, why tf is it so hard

We finally made it to the extraction phase but got absolutely swarmed by hundreds of guys

[spiral badge]

Ah, those darn guys and their swarming

[coral pond]

shield disruption is pretty rough tbh, especially if they're newer players

[boreal shuttle]

We have combined like 900 hours in the game lol

[thick sapphire]

just gotta get the objectives done quick

and nitra if you have time

[earnest geode]

If you feel it's too hard just fall back to bunker.

[foggy harness]

We almost beat the mission

Drop pod

But ffs

[boreal shuttle]

We did, but then a million bugs came out when we called the drop pod lol

[wraith robin]

did they nerf the edd

my stage 1 spawns changed

😔

[foggy harness]

Same here.

I went from getting bulks to no bulks at all

[atomic grove]

are deep dives doable if ur a new player with no overclocks?

[dense pebble]

deep dives? yes

[atomic grove]

i have them unlocked just never bothered to try

[dense pebble]

regular ones are fairly easy.

[atomic grove]

whats the main difference between the two

[dense pebble]

elite deep dives, you'll want good OCs and a developed gamesense.

regular deep dives are haz 3, 3.5 and 3.5 on each mission

elite deep dive is haz 4.5, 5, and 5.5

aka much more dangerous

[atomic grove]

do u gain the same amount of cores in each one?

[dense pebble]

yes

[atomic grove]

im tryna get as many cores as i can

cuz i want OCs for my gunner/scout

[dense pebble]

doing the core hunt mission and regular deep dive is pretty good

and promotion gives 3 every time too

[atomic grove]

when is the weekly "reset" for those

[dense pebble]

thursday

there's a countdown in the mission terminal as well

[atomic grove]

ok so every thursday the weekly core hunts reset?

[dense pebble]

core hunts and deep dives both

[atomic grove]

ok

thx

[dense pebble]

np

[atomic grove]

but yea im OC less for the time being

i take it all the madness for those happens at the forge terminal

[dense pebble]

yes

[atomic grove]

and the more i forge the more cores i can earn

i take it u cannot target OCs for a specific class?

[dense pebble]

you always get to pick between two

but targeting really isn't a thing no

[atomic grove]

when u forge?

wait im dumb nvm xD

[dense pebble]

when you forge, or use a blank OC in a machine event

[atomic grove]

ok

what's a good way to encounter those events

[dense pebble]

longer length missions

the ones with 3 footprints

[atomic grove]

ah ok

thx for the OC tips

[dense pebble]

good luck!

[atomic grove]

i did watch a vid but alot was said and its alot to take in as a noobie

but basically just do the core hunts and deep dives

for cores

than go to the forge terminal and forge whatever i seek

[dense pebble]

Assuming you always use blanks for weapon OCs, you can expect to get every single one by level 220-250 or so.

[atomic grove]

god..

account lvl ?

[dense pebble]

yeah

its not as bad as it sounds

you'll get ones you want way before that

[atomic grove]

ah i see

idk who i should focus on promoting

i like everyone lol

[dense pebble]

I play every character

[atomic grove]

gunner is fun

scout is fun

driller kinda annoys me

engineer i haven't even touched

[dense pebble]

experimenting with OCs will make every class quite fun

[atomic grove]

once i get OCs i will try em all

[spiral badge]

Have you done the OC assignment that unlocks the weekly OC missions?

[atomic grove]

wdym

ru talking abt the core hunt?

and i think im in the process of doing it

[spiral badge]

Yeah

That’s sorta like DDs but 3 separate missions and you can pick the haz of them

Also need to bank some blank cores. I’ve been getting a lot of machine events lately

[young yew]

Welcome to the club then. Nowadays I play multiple characters per day as the fancy strikes me

[atomic grove]

idek who i wanna play sometimes i currently am just mindlessly lvling up the other characters

every1 is op so might as well just play someone random

well not so much driller

not a fan of some parts of his arsenal

[earnest geode]

I usually play which class is most useful for a mission. For example, egg hunt/extraction = Scout; refinery = Driller; elimination = gunner.

[atomic grove]

ah i see what u mean

the first lvl 1-25 grind for each class is just so i can unlock upgrades for the weapons and armor at least

then i kinda have to decide what i wanna use

[atomic grove]

gunner SHREDS the twins

[atomic grove]

what abt engineer? does he have a place in the current meta

[spiral badge]

I like engie for escort

Turrets really help chew up stuff attacking dotty

[atomic grove]

ah i see

[coral pond]

the 4 dwarves are balanced enough that a team comprised of one of each is technically most optimal afaik

[olive flicker]

Engi has incredible crowd clear with pgl and breach cutter.

Driller has great crowd control.

[turbid dawn]

most optimal for what?

[ancient cove]

wrong chat?

[urban sundial]

can the assignments be done with deep dives?

like the season assignments

[zenith ember]

No

[young yew]

Wave Cooker is fun and effective. I run it with Blistering Necrosis. Igniting swarms with the Flamethrower is also a ton of fun. And nothing gives you a more satisfying feeling than to see a swarm coming at you and letting them fly in all directions with C4 😁

[olive flicker]

Painting flame walls for swarms is pretty entertaining.

Esp in tunnels where you get to do a spin.

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[subtle rain]

Did they spawn at the same time, because I had 2 bulks spawn on me once

[lament timber]

no

[full vortex]

anyone doing a deepdive rn, i couldn't find a lobby close to me ingame

[slate stump]

one was part of the first swarm

and two appeared during uplink

they didn't come to me at once, one of them had to dig a bit

so i managed to kill them

[hallow saddle]

its all fun and games until the last mission of EDD spawns 4 naedocyte breeders, during a mactera plague

we burnt through 3 resups just clearing the room

[mellow cradle]

same, I too got 4 breeders in the drop pod room

but we had executioner and m1k

so it wasn't a problem

[olive flicker]

I only got 2 solo 🤔

I thought breeder was a stationary.

[ancient cove]

Stationary has also different randomized spawn rates.

[coral pond]

I don't think it's randomized, i think it's based on player count. A couple of EDDs ago, i ran it duo with a friend. Had like 1 spitballer in a room. Ran it in a 4 player group, had like 2 or 3. And in that same edd we had a black box that had a bulk spawn in the 4p group, but never as a duo

[static lichen]

casual efs + exec combo

they never had a chance, lol

[proud coyote]

Does it generally take you a few tries to complete the weekly edd ?

[sacred acorn]

I usually complete it first try

[proud coyote]

Solo or with a team ?

Cause I found out that alone it's generally first try (fatboy build) as with a team it's less of an insurance

[sacred acorn]

I usually play solo but with teams it depends on the randoms you get

[proud coyote]

Yeah

And I don't have enough friends to make a solid team

[sacred acorn]

my friends quit playing before they even got a promotion so yeah me too

[olive flicker]

I do them solo too, depends on the difficulty really.

Sometimes it is a cakewalk, other times takes a few tries.

[solemn void]

i wanna do my first deepdive.. anyone wanna show me the ropes?

[spiral badge]

https://tenor.com/view/rope-primal-survivor-carrying-getting-ready-bunch-of-ropes-gif-19434444

[solemn void]

https://tenor.com/view/my-bad-newgirl-worst-gif-6184016

[livid meadow]

why is it that i cant rejoin deep dives? it makes sense to be able to does it not?

[coral pond]

There are workarounds to rejoin it, especially if you're friends with the host

As far as rejoining pubs; deep dives are supposed to be an all or nothing type deal. You can't join ones already in progress, and without workarounds or a reconnect message popping up when you disconnect, you can't rejoin one you dc'd from

Just like if you fail in like, stage 2 or 3, you gotta start from the beginning again

[spiral badge]

The idea flavor wise is you’re going too deep for a single dwarf pod to reach

though personally I might argue that only stage 1 should be joinable but that’s neither here nor there

[vocal coral]

Damn. EDD is kicking my ass. Can't get past 2nd stage

[quartz birch]

ppl were saying in here yesterday that this one is particularly hard

im about to try it myself

wondering what beer i should roll for this

or just fall back on my usual red rock

[mellow cradle]

red rock should be good

[dense sage]

red rock worked for me
rocky mountain for aquarq speeding is probably a close second if you can live through stage 2

[coral pond]

Red rock is almost always the best

[copper wagon]

how do i get more ammo if when i run out

[night island]

Mine nitra, and once you reach 80 press the 5 key and left click to summon a resupply pod

Once that arrives you can get ammo from it

[tough shuttle]

how much harder are EDD compared to the regular ones? I did my first DD yesterday

[brazen forge]

i swear to god this EDD is just about impossible

[mellow cradle]

do you play haz 5?

[brazen forge]

I think i've tried stage 2 over 10 times now

[mellow cradle]

an EDD is a little easier than 3 haz 5 missions

[brazen forge]

haz 4.5, haz 5, haz 5.5 with supplies carrying over

[mellow cradle]

yes, that's why I said it's easier

[brazen forge]

it's mostly more time consuming

[vocal coral]

I think stage 2 of the EDD this week is harder than any haz5 I've done so far, which is only like 20ish or something, but still. lol

[spiral badge]

Crap I gotta buckle down and do DD today

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[brazen forge]

This EDD is harder than any EDD i've done so far lol

[wicked meteor]

i don't think i've ever had to deal with a black box in an aquarq mission before, it's painful

[dense sage]

if you black box early before anything has time to build up, it’s not so bad

[coral pond]

Black box is a dd/edd only objective, so it's pretty rare to be paired with aquarqs

[untold topaz]

Finally did my first deep dive and it went surprisingly well (even though I got no Gunner overclocks)

[jaunty briar]

anyone want to help me with first deep dive?

[naive tendon]

Did dd reset yet? Not sure if I missed it or still got time

[lean swift]

hi somebody doing Deep Dive Elite rn?

acquarc + black box + no shields + lava

[thick sapphire]

let's see what we're getting tomorrow

[thick sapphire]

still some time

[orchid lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/943722649656389662/1128896029308235797/image.png

...

This EDD.

[wraith shard]

worst edd ever

[orchid lantern]

3 Nanocite breeders.

[earnest geode]

Lmao I had to resort to bunker at stage 3.

Fucking nightmare fr.

[orchid lantern]

NAH FR- we used all our iron wills within 10 min ☠️

[orchid lantern]

AND- we got a nemesis on 2nd stage

[foggy harness]

Just beat it. Lucked out with a team of greybeards

[olive flicker]

I've seen aquarq black box once before, it was with mactera plague and people hated it just as much.

[lean swift]

macteras ugh

[foggy harness]

Bro, I just resupplied and for some reason my shield was not charged

So uh... Tried torevive a guy but my plan failed miserably

[zenith ember]

P sure its doable to clear stage 2 at least

[foggy harness]

We did

[zenith ember]

Even w shield disrupt + black box

[foggy harness]

But stage 3 completely fucked us over

Gonna run bullet hell to try and help clear the swarm ig

[zenith ember]

Theb you arent really missing much for overclocks

If you are running gunner id highly suggest just throwing down shield the moment a cloud of mactera spawns

Teammates being alive is always better than being down

Although you still have the problem of clearing them

Shield + leadburster is my goto but any minigun/aoe works

[foggy harness]

I sadly don't really have much in the way of minigun OCs

My game tends to like to overload me with OCs for certain weapons, and leave others ones begging for a crumb

[earnest geode]

Pro tip: If you feel a stage is too hard, fall back to bunker. It's always the sure-win last resort.

Also only 1 dwarf needs to escape for the whole team to survive.

So if it seems hopeless, revive the Scout and tell him to make it to the drop pod.

[spiral badge]

Scouts job is to make it home

[fossil cipher]

Just did the EDD, actually ended up being fun as hell

Stage 1, pretty chill. Stage 2, magma core + shield disruption is rough, platform that lava! Also go fast 'cause aquarqs. Stage 3...hang onto your bloomers 😛

Lost count of how many drop shields I put down just because you're not taking all those mactera out before some of them shoot.

[foggy harness]

Same lol. We almost won, but we ran outta shields and got overrun by mactera

Fr

That, on top of the breeders, spit ballers, and regular enemy spawns was just too much lol

The spitballers did most of the killing for us tho, ngl. One of us died to a spot a spitballer from 3 miles away could shoot at, and people kept dying trying to rev us lol

I tried to tell the gunner to slap a shield down (there were no nearby enemies), but xbox chat slow asf

So he died too lmfao

I wasted an IW reviving two people, died myself, put a shield up tho before I did

And we got to the third mini mule before we got nuked

Mactera were just too much

I ran outta shields at the end, as did the other gunner

[olive flicker]

You want to pull the initial mactera spawns to the drop pod before moving on.

[floral hollow]

Wait did any of you get a nemesis on stage 2?

[full saddle]

yes

[floral hollow]

Yeah that was extra oof

[static lichen]

yeah, but he got crushed by the drop pod

lol

[floral hollow]

That laso happen to me!

[floral hollow]

And then I redid it with some other friends and the nemesis was alive :[

[static lichen]

out of three stage 2 attempts, first one didn't have nemesis, second and third got crushed by drop pod

[naive tendon]

bruh all 3 of my stage 3 edds getting connection lost'd :(

if I host I get no players since I play during night time my area

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[olive flicker]

Solo 👍

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[quaint pasture]

he didnt think fast

[naive tendon]

funny how nemesis dying actually caught my team off guard twice with the explosions

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[indigo vine]

ah shit here we go again

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone!

[indigo vine]

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[candid bobcat]

Weekly Deep Dives information for 2023-07-13 to 2023-07-20.
Deep Dives will reset in <t:1689850800:R>

DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: Sacred Salute
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 2: 2 Mini-mules + 2 Eggs | No Mutator
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies

ELITE DEEP DIVE
Region: Azure Weald | Code Name: Frightened Ghost
Stage 1: 10 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 6 Eggs + 2 Mini-mules | Elite Threat
Stage 3: On-Site Refinery + 150 Morkite | Swarmageddon