deep-dive-discussion

[ivory marten]

👍

[eager flame]

Should be updated now, work got me rough

Btw Industrial Sabo is back huh

[vestal grotto]

No low O2 thats good

[ivory marten]

Sure looks like.

[prisma bluff]

ROCK AND STONE

[ivory marten]

Glad I could help with some of the formatting, Yuna.

[round mountain]

Man, stingtails are the worst on uplink missions... One grabbed me from the ceiling and launched me so fast into it, that I bumped it and hit the floor within like 3 frames and died immediately.

Sometimes their grab strength feels a bit OP

[ivory marten]

I fucking know, right?

[lament lantern]

this is the first industrial sabotage i've seen in a dd / edd

[ivory marten]

I feel like they show up just infrequent enough for people to forget about them then BAM, it's back.

[ancient cove]

Can you let a bot update it for you?
There is an API for that https://drgapi.com/

[pliant yoke]

My only problem with stingtails at the moment is that while they have “ground preference” for their sting attacks, they often treat high elevation ground as ground legible for attack

I died so many times from being launched high into the air that I’ve lost count, but clearly this isn’t very enjoyable an experience to learn from, if you’re not a Scout

[ivory marten]

I feel like it's tradition by this point to fill in the stuff for the Dives ourselves.

[round mountain]

Im gonna post a video in #deep-dive-speedrunning of how bad mine just was lol

It flicked me at mach 10

Through a wall

[turbid dawn]

its worse if they spawn on the crystal spires, ive been launched across the map with a stingtail on a spire

[round mountain]

Yeah, I swear every time I encounter one, they either pull you two inches, or pull you to the nether realms at light speed, instantly killing you

[unique lotus]

is it normal that the deep dives are in -1 hour when they should refresh?

[round mountain]

I think you need to restart your game

[unique lotus]

ah will try

[pliant yoke]

Skissue, at the second launch you should have drilled the wall and caught the ledge to negate the fall

Jk obviously, that was painful to watch

[round mountain]

Yeah, barely even had time to react honestly

First time I could kinda catch myself but that second one was so fast

[lament lantern]

hmm
industrial sabotage is my worst mission, thank fuck it's dd not edd

[pliant yoke]

Using terrain to break LOS is one of the strategies I have to adapt more as of stingtails’ introduction

[lament lantern]

making?

[pliant yoke]

It is problematic on objectives like Salvage Ops, though

[round mountain]

Yeah, I mean I thought I was clearly below its sight on the second grab, but it looks like it grabs through the floor anyway

[ember scarab]

Just did my first deep dive, heard you can only get rewards once per week or whatever the rotation is, so how much should I progress before I do elite deep dives? I take it I'm much too early in the game for them right now.

[lament lantern]

how hard did you find the deep dive

[ivory marten]

Dive and Elite Dive both give their own stuff, it resets every thursday.

[lament lantern]

indeed

[pliant yoke]

I think you should give it a try, as soon as you feel comfortable with challenging yourself a bit

You have one promoted dwarf, and that’s enough, given that you have all the equipment upgrades available to you besides overclocks

[steep tartan]

this elite dive sounds like my nightmares come true

[ivory marten]

Dives go from Haz 3 to Haz 3.5

Elite Dives go from Haz 4.5 to Haz 5.5, the highest vanilla difficulty in the game.

[steep tartan]

haz 5.5 uplink/fuel cells after a PE+BB+shield disruption and a hive guard + mactera plague drains all your resources

[pliant yoke]

EDDs can typically be perceived as easier than regular Haz4/5 missions, largely due to nitra siloing over stages 2/3

[lament lantern]

it looks alright tbh
sure stage 3 is hard, but at least it's not important

[lament lantern]

and yeah this is true

[steep tartan]

PE+BB+ no shield is downright evil

[pliant yoke]

It’s not a cakewalk, that’s for sure

[lament lantern]

i went into last EDD's stage 3 with 5 full resupply pods in stock

[onyx dirge]

We had a detonator visit our black box first stage 😄

[steep tartan]

because obviously

[pliant yoke]

Shield Disruption is giving you a slight damage resistance, though, so it’s not outright unfair

[steep tartan]

that doesn't help when you got a BB uplink going and get revived

and since it's PE the regular spawns wont stop

so you will get flooded

[pliant yoke]

Thank you, moderator with no name!

[steep tartan]

and the last time i had a salvage in an EDD it was on stage 2, and that was overwhelming

not looking forward to that on stage 3

[lament lantern]

yeah... i lost first try of last EDD to that

[pliant yoke]

It’s true, it’s tough. Being or having a Gunner is an immense asset on this type of objective

[steep tartan]

all 4 dorfs are essential on any EDD

[pliant yoke]

And not all folks have to be in the objective - Scout can for instance kite and keep some bugs following them

[pliant yoke]

Eee… not necessarily

[lament lantern]

i solo heh

[steep tartan]

but if scout goes down (which is a high risk because no shield) you can't get him back up if he's far away

[pliant yoke]

The experience is more wholesome if it is so, though

[ember scarab]

It seemed like it was hazard 2? Not hard at all, there was only two of us, idk how much harder that makes it.

[pliant yoke]

Which is exactly why Iron Will comes in handy

[lament lantern]

3.5, 4, then 4.5

[still geode]

its 3 3.5 3.5 for normal deep dive

4.5 5 5.5 for elite

[lament lantern]

oh

[steep tartan]

honestly the worst one is stage 3 because after stage 2 and a hive guard drains all your resources you will get hit by the hardest fight you can possibly get, which is a fuel cell event on haz 5.5

[lament lantern]

i thought dd was 3.5 4 4.5
knew about edd though yeah

[steep tartan]

not counting how RNG can fuck that up either

bulks

[ivory marten]

Stage one done!

Woooo!

[steep tartan]

prepare your anus, you're about to enter pure evil

[ivory marten]

I'm doing regular dive

[sudden mirage]

whats the edd?

[steep tartan]

ah, well that's not as bad

[ivory marten]

So just morkite and eggs.

[steep tartan]

Magma Core
Stage 1: 200 Morkite + Black Box
Stage 2: 10 Aquarqs + Black Box | Shield Disruption
Stage 3: 3 MULES + Hiveguard | Mactera Plague

[ivory marten]

Black Box

Shield Disruption

https://tenor.com/view/jesusisafriend-out-of-this-house-exorcism-cross-church-gif-9309545

[steep tartan]

and since it's MAGMA CORE, defending a tight arena gets even worse with all the hot rock that's generated

and no shield on top of that

[steep tartan]

I told you it was pure evil

[lament lantern]

good job i can cover said hot rock

[ember scarab]

Oh I didn't know each stage is higher hazard level

[ivory marten]

AND THEN THERE'S THE FUCKING MACTERA PLAGUE ON SALVAGE.

[steep tartan]

also since it's PE you will keep getting regular spawns WHILE the BB is going

[ember scarab]

I assume I should at least get me an overclock before I bother with elite deep dives or hazard five

[steep tartan]

haz 5.5 salvage with a hive guard draining your ammo

[pliant yoke]

There’s plenty of means to dispose entire Mactera groups

[steep tartan]

this is a good attitude to have

[lament lantern]

you should have tons of nitra from the previous stages

and also uhh
Could do the hiveguard last

[steep tartan]

no you can't

fuel cells are last

[lament lantern]

true

[steep tartan]

also hive guard fireballs making more hot rock

[ember scarab]

Idrk how to get overclocks tbh, i did that tedious assignment that has like 9 missions and unlocks "core hunts" or smth and I got a couple overclock blueprints or smth, none for any weapons I care about or have though.

I take it core hunts give them

[steep tartan]

you get matrix cores from weakly core hunt assignment, deep dives and elite deep dives

those are forged into overclocks

you also get cores from promotions

and each dorf can be promoted several times over

[ember scarab]

It says I have a core by my money what does that mean?

[lament lantern]

weekly core hunt, DD and EDD all give one blank core, one weapon core, and one cosmetic core.
Core infusers, found randomly in missions, let you infuse the blank core, giving you three choices.

[lament lantern]

blank cores

[steep tartan]

blank core. needs to be infused. to infuse it you need to complete a machine event

[ember scarab]

Oh aye I did that, think it gave me an emote for gunner

[steep tartan]

youthen get a choise of 2 overclocks and 1 cosmetic

[lament lantern]

always go for an overclock over a cosmetic imo

[steep tartan]

the cosmetic is the middle option

OCs are on the right and left

[ember scarab]

Which is unfortunate because I can't think of anything I care less about right now than emotes

[steep tartan]

oh, and forging also gives you a forge mastery level

every 5 levels you get a cosmetic or an OC

it alternates

[steep tartan]

never pick the middle option

[zenith ember]

Who is that guy who wished for magma core recently

[ember scarab]

Oh

[zenith ember]

Mfker

[ember scarab]

I just picked the gunner option and it happened to be the middle one

Well now I know ig

[steep tartan]

btw since starting this game, this is the first deep dive lineup I've seen where 1 of them isn't salt pits or crystal caverns

[zenith ember]

Thats pretty lucky, magma core has some of the worst cave gens

[steep tartan]

you can tell by the frames. cosmetic has a pink frame with a hat symbol, OCs have a blue frame with a gun symbol

[steep tartan]

magma core with static defense objectives (BB, uplink and fuel cells) is NOT fun because of hot rock

no shield makes it even worse

[zenith ember]

Have you gotten fat boy engis on it before

Great fun, double the griefing

[lament lantern]

fat boy is one of the few engi overclocks i don't have

[ember scarab]

Oh I see, I just picked the gunner one tbf because gunner is the only class I've ever played apart from like 3 missions of driller

[steep tartan]

no, but I did get a double bulk on a refining, who both exploded on the same spot (one spawning in later).
After we had layed the pipeline there.
Became a surf over lava grand canyon

[steep tartan]

level up all dorfs and promote them ultiple times to get more cores faster

and forge what you get to get cores from forging mastery

[lament lantern]

i should really promote more than engi

[steep tartan]

I would recommend skipping this weeks elite dive in particular if you just got your first promotion

[outer cloud]

i wished for magma core and got what i wanted

[vestal grotto]

Super overrated imo, gets outclassed by breach cutter in every way

[lament lantern]

oh i don't like the deepcore at all, it just feels weak

[small idol]

fat boy is fun as shit though

[lament lantern]

but fat boy would be fun as fuck

[steep tartan]

fat boy is very good in min lengh min complexity caves that are full of bullshit

[vestal grotto]

Yeah its fun but you only get 5 shots 💀

[steep tartan]

you gotta use it right

[vestal grotto]

Also tickles big enemies

[ember scarab]

It takes so long to level them though lmao

[zenith ember]

At least the first 2 stages can be rushed

[small idol]

it's pretty manageable

[vestal grotto]

Its only really good against swarms of bugs up to guards

[steep tartan]

playing on higher hazard ratings gets you XP a LOT faster, and so does playing on missions with modifiers like swarmageddon and rival precence

[zenith ember]

Try haz4/5 double xp rooms, 20-30k exp depending on events

[ember scarab]

Double xp?

[steep tartan]

also if you do a machine event you get bonus XP even if you fail it

yea there's a double XP modifier

[zenith ember]

Yeah there is a modifier called double xp, yellow

[small idol]

with how much I've played the game at this point I can't be bothered to min max everything. I just use what's fun

[zenith ember]

People are mostly pretty decent because they want to run twice at least

[vestal grotto]

Play double xp missions, if they arent available, play missions with as many modifiers as possible and try to speedrun them, thats how u lvl fast

[steep tartan]

also always do the secondary objective for more xp

[ember scarab]

I've done a good few haz4 missions, haven't unlocked haz5 and I'm not really in a hurry to do so tbh until I've got an overclock

[steep tartan]

haz 5 is brutal but SO rewarding in terms of money, xp and sense of pride and accomplishment

[zenith ember]

The mission list mod helps alot to know if there is 1 on rotation

Forgot what its called

[vestal grotto]

Haz 5 is the only real way to play drg , everything else is a walk in the park

[steep tartan]

doing misisons with litophage outbreak seems to reward a decent chunk of bonus XP

[silver spoke]

When’s the deep dive refresh? Rock and stone brothers

[vestal grotto]

Already happend for this week

[steep tartan]

just, dont do a point extraction with litophage. trust me

[small idol]

it refreshed already

[silver spoke]

Oh nice!

What’s the refresh time actually

I know it’s Thursday but not sure when

[zenith ember]

1 hr 43 min ago

[vestal grotto]

I think its like 2pm GMT+3

[steep tartan]

Elite dive:
Magma Core
Stage 1: 200 Morkite + Black Box
Stage 2: 10 Aquarqs + Black Box | Shield Disruption
Stage 3: 3 MULES + Hiveguard | Mactera Plague

Welcome to your personal hell

[silver spoke]

aight thanks

[languid rune]

7AM UTC-5.

[silver spoke]

Oh god damn

[zenith ember]

W/e your time is

[steep tartan]

also look at the numers, max aquarks and max mini mules, means large af caves

which is BAD for mission 2

you'd best do the BB ASAP

[outer cloud]

recent edds have been a cakewalk so i hope this one is a bit different

[steep tartan]

mission 2 EDD is pure evil

and mission 3 is gonna be the most brutal shit ever

[small idol]

it wasn't that bad imo

[silver spoke]

gonna use driller, any rec build for the elite deep dive?

Gonna play with friends

[small idol]

vim sludge pump works always

[silver spoke]

Hmm

[small idol]

that's what I typically use for solo deep dives

[silver spoke]

Vim?

[ember scarab]

I mean I'm sure I can learn to get good enough, I'm a seasoned vermintide player and as much as both games have similarities and perhaps some skill that carries over since they are both 4 player horde shooters, the gameplay isn't remotely the same so learning how to play generally and how to properly play as a team in drg is a new learning curve, I assume I'm not ready for haz5 yet

[small idol]

volatile impact mixture

[silver spoke]

Ah

[steep tartan]

play on haz 4 with red modifiers and do the normal deep dive

good experience for haz 5 and elite dive

[ember scarab]

I've done the normal deep dive

I assume red modifiers are the glowing red borders around certain missions on the map

[zenith ember]

Warnings yeah

[steep tartan]

mouse over them and you see them. you can check the miners manual in the pause screen for a description of all the yellow and red modifiers

I'd say the most dangerous ones are elite threat, lethal enemies and rival presence

low oxygen is also a real dozy on some misison types, ESPECIALLY point extraction

[ember scarab]

Alright nice, I haven't taken much notice of this stuff right now because so far I've such selected an assignment and then clicked whatever mission the assignment wanted, maybe stupid but I'm not one for looking at modifiers and stuff I find out the hard way 😂

[steep tartan]

that can bite you in the ass when you get a low oxygen litophage outbreak point extraction 😅

[ember scarab]

I've only ever done low oxygen on the drill dozer mission but the drill dozer had oxygen so it wasn't a bother

[full saddle]

i think the main thing in this game compared to vt2 is understanding that holding a single spot is not actually the best play all the time

in vt2 you can basically choose any choke as a good place to fight but in this game its sometimes not that simple depending on terrain

[steep tartan]

low oxygen on mission types: drill dozer is the easiest, on mining and eggs it's fine as long as you dont split up the team, on elimination it's similar but a bit worse during the dread fights, on sabotage it only gets bad on the caretaker, on refining it's a pain but manageble because you can surf back to the refinery, on PE it's DEATH

[full saddle]

need to be quite a bit more mobile

[still geode]

fighting in chokes is really strong as long as you can actually set up a good choke

[full saddle]

yeah

but in vt2 any choke is a good choke

[ember scarab]

I assume choke points are good in any game tbf

[steep tartan]

on a low oxygen PE you NEED to strategically place the supply pods because they have oxygen on them

[full saddle]

its really easy in this game to get baited into thinking you're in a decent hold spot but its not

[languid rune]

there's so much nitra in any IS mission that the Caretaker fight should have more oxygen than any other part lol

[ember scarab]

I assume low oxygen is better the less players you have for probably obvious reasons

[languid rune]

nah

[steep tartan]

not really

[languid rune]

it depletes at the same rate

[onyx dirge]

my game crashed 30 seconds before drop pod was powered up in stage 3 EDD

[ember scarab]

No what I mean is you don't need 4 people huddled around the same mule

[steep tartan]

you can also get missions with 2 warning modifiers

like elite threat and mactera plague

say hello to your new best friend elite grabbers

[languid rune]

you don't but going from 2 to 4 really doesn't make much of a difference

[steep tartan]

i saw one elimination with exploder infestation and mactera plague. both of which don't stop spawning during dread fights

[ember scarab]

Depending on the team comp sure, but obviously there are enemies that can swiftly break through a choke if you don't have anyone to properly deal with it, which can happen when playing with randoms

[steep tartan]

oppressors are prime choke breachers

[ember scarab]

Yea i assume so because you can't really hit them from the front can you

[full saddle]

that's true, but my assumption is that you're playing with competent teammates; you don't really need to learn how to kite hordes at all in vt2, nor to stay mobile during any sort of pressure situation aside from stuff like righteous stand mid event

[steep tartan]

almost their entire body is unbrekable armor and they have a ton of HP and resist every damage type except melee

[ember scarab]

At my point in drg I'm not really sure how you'd stop with an oppressor breaking through a choke actually

[still geode]

you power attack it

[steep tartan]

and they are immune to stun and fear

and break out of freeze nearly instantly

[ember scarab]

I can tear through them if I hit the weak spot yea but they aren't like pretorions where I can also shred them up through their face if I need to

[steep tartan]

thsoe damage resistances start to be felt more at high haz

[still geode]

on haz5 with 4 players an oppressor has 1350 hp, a single power attack with the power attack damage mod does 360 damage to it
if 4 ppl power attack it it just dies, with 3 it's low enough on hp that it easily ends up dead to various sources of chip damage that get by its armor (like explosions and fire)

[steep tartan]

yea melee is their one weakness

[still geode]

you can also freeze em, they don't stay frozen very long but you get 3x damage and you can hit them anywhere while they're frozen

[steep tartan]

also, haz 5 acid spitters will kill you through a full shield if you are at min hp

and haz 5 swarmers are no joke

[ember scarab]

I'd say kiting enemies isn't a huge aspect of vermintide yea unless you're doing fortunes of war, vermintides difficulty is more from motor skill like blocking and dodging at the right times etc

[full saddle]

yeah thats just what i was saying, you can actually outrun enemies in this game it's extremely sick

[steep tartan]

yea DRG definitively has more movement than vermintide

I mean you can rocket jump in DRG

[eager flame]

Yesn't
Bunch of stuff
Basically, i'm usually on my work's PC to update it, and i prefer not downloading anything from the internet, even if it is safe. Aaaand having a bot on my discord account isn't the best of ideas anyways.
And... well, having it be handcraft is kind of the charm, i'm not here to give the quickest information, there are people here who bring it a lot faster, sometimes even minutes after it resets, what i do is only formatting the information into a visually pleasing/easy to read text so people can just get a quick look and have the general idea of what they are in for

[olive flicker]

This EDD looks spicy af.

Aquarq blackbox shield disruption

Salvage mactera plague

Sounds like hell solo.

[steep tartan]

mission 2 is pure evil and mission 3 will be the most brutal shit ever, AFTER draining all your resources

[small idol]

I did it solo and it wasn't the worst

[steep tartan]

RNGeesus blessed you

[small idol]

experience more so

[ember scarab]

I think most of my difficulty simply comes from the fact that I don't understand ranged combat anywhere near as well as I do melee 😂

[steep tartan]

play driller. he uderstands the art of glorious melee combat

[olive flicker]

Last 2 weeks EDD has been pretty tame though. About time.

[steep tartan]

there are also several overclocks that turns guns into "extreemly effective at close range" mode

[ember scarab]

I played a bit of driller, mate told me I can use the drills as melee but he also said they aren't good, used them once and I'm like yea they don't do much damage but they shred things way better and I believe they also stun

[steep tartan]

also in regards to close combat, watch LazyMaybe's videos on the shotguns (warthog and boomstick) as well as his videos in general

[ancient cove]

Oh, you're not a mod. I got it.
I thought it got maintained by a mod, they could let a bot get data from the API that I posted and update the post every time.
User mods are not allowed by discord anyway.

[steep tartan]

how to use drills in melee: pick the damage boosting mod, pair with cryo cannon, have fun drilling frozen targets

with the vampire perk

drilling unfrozen targets is asking to get chomp'd

[ember scarab]

See I watched some tier list video that said the cryocannon was bad but when I see people using it it makes everything so easy to kill

[steep tartan]

not every tier lister knows their stuff

[ember scarab]

Yea

[small idol]

no weapon in the game is "bad"

[ember scarab]

Man even said the heavy autocannon was bad which goes against basically everything I've heard

[ancient cove]

What I learned from reddit is that the community is very divided about everything regarding DRG.

[jagged sonnet]

neurotoxin payload

[ancient cove]

There is a builds site for DRG. Called karl.gg .
Last time as I mentioned the most upvoted build for Gunner, which I personally also used and it's definitly one of the best, I got downvoted.

Generally, there are no bad builds, unless you have no synergy at all

[ember scarab]

Well it's like one of my vermintide builds, it does hardly any damage because I've put alot into stagger, elf players judging my low kill number yet not realising that the hordes that they killed were far easier to kill after i sweeped all of them onto their butts and made them all take 40% more damage

[storm tulip]

Support playstyles are never rewarded appropriately

[small idol]

I do think that it's the worst gunner primary (at least imo) but it's still not necessarily a bad weapon

[ancient cove]

Yeah. In DRG someone who plays modded Hazard 6x2 with a full premade team will tell you which build is bad, while you play on normal hazard 5 with randoms.

[small idol]

at least on haz 5 basically everything is viable

[outer cloud]

hurricane does everything autocannon does but better, it also has actually good overclocks unlike autocannon where everything else other than ntp is kinda meh

[small idol]

the game isn't that difficult

[ancient cove]

And to be honest, Hazard 5 is not that hard. It's challenging, but you don't have to min max everything to fullest.
As long you have synergy between your main weapon, secondary and perks, your build is mostly good.

[sudden mirage]

DD and EDD done, i was never told stage 3 edd was fucking HAZ 5.5

i did fairly well tho

[ember scarab]

Granted going full support or full tank isn't a great idea in vermintide, but if I can swing my great hammer a couple times and knock a patrol full of chaos warriors on their feet completely stunning how are you gonna complain that I didn't get loads of kills 😂

[ember scarab]

Yea and a build may be bad in that team, but could be brilliant in another

It's also todo with who's playing it because any ranged class seems inherently worse to me than any melee in practically any game

[ivory marten]

After some faffing about doing other things...

Mission complete!

[rapid totem]

i didnt know you could get an industrial sabotage for deep dives

[languid rune]

it used to be that you could get IS on both

[candid bobcat]

funnily enough, I think you got it a bit backwards: people like dora and me use sandbox utils to manually go through DD/EDD each week on reset to find out the DD/EDD stages as soon as they come out, then the maintainer of that API manually obtains information from our comments to update the API information

that being said, what I can do is write a simple script that formats dora's/my info into the emoji-fied version (I'm too lazy to type out the emojis manually)

I can post the JSON version too so the API maintainer can just copy/paste the JSON (let me know what format you want)

[ancient cove]

Thanks for your effort.
I just like automation and make peoples live easier.
The pinned comment can obviously be only edited by the author, therefore there is not much what can be automated.
The best think what I can think off, is to make a place where the information can be brought by different people and can be used automatically to update a central source of information for others.
Because as long we depend on one or two person to keep a system running, it will fail and has to be reinvented as soon these persons have no time or stop playing the game.

Another, ideal solution, would be, if Developers would agree to host an API themself.
They have a server that generates weekly DD seeds, so out clients can get them. They could simply run an API that provides same information to the public without effort.

[candid bobcat]

To the best of my knowledge, how seeds are generated and decoded are implemented within the game itself, not by some external tooling (modulo maybe how the random seed numbers are generated). The developers AFAIK don't want to maintain such a "deep dive information" API endpoint because how the DD/EDD seeds are decoded would have to be maintained in parallel to every game update (and every minor game update could affect how DD/EDD seeds are generated/decoded), and could break every update otherwise. This is extra maintenance burden for GSG developers that they likely don't want to handle for such a niche use case -- to post weekly DD/EDD information in this specific channel.

[young yew]

I remember an EDD last year in MC where my team spent what felt like hours playing catch with a Dreadnaught in a giant lava pit. It involved a ton of revives and a lot of running. Unforgettable

[candid bobcat]

The best think what I can think off, is to make a place where the information can be brought by different people and can be used automatically to update a central source of information for others.
In addition, what you are suggesting is basically this existing manual workflow of someone doing the DD/EDD info gathering and someone doing the updating of pinned post. Implementing this would require someone to maintain such "central source of information" and someone would have to audit the DD/EDD information in the first place -- what if two people provided conflicting information?

[whole condor]

ok wow EDD stage 2 is fucking cancer

they spawn a fucking NEMESIS on you

[worthy patio]

thanks for the headsup. going in there right now on solo scout LOL

and it's shield disruption too

[whole condor]

Shield Disruption
10 Aquaraqs
Black Box
Worst Map
NEMESIS

good fucking luck, you're gonna need it

[worthy patio]

Bosco carry incoming

[whole condor]

remember, get grabbed and thats a revive

good luck

rock and stone, fellow dirt digger

[ancient cove]

Yes. GitHub is actually a good "central source". Anyone can contribute.
Since we have no other way, but gather the information manually, at least we would have a central place where anyone could help out. You can add trusted people as project contributors, but in the worst case an external person can still make a pull request with new information if no one from the contributors is available. There can't be conflicting information from trusted sources, since Deep Dives are same for all, if someone is trying to troll, it will work only one time and he can be banned from contributing. But I doubt that it will happen, people who take time to contribute are rarely trolls.

About the pinned post, I guess there isn't much what can be done. Unless discord server admins allow us to create a bot or a simple webhook, that will check for changes in the API and will post updates automatically.

Ah and it's very easy to parse JSON from the API into a template with emojis, like the one Yuna uses.

[worthy patio]

Just waiting for Extraction now. Had to use IW on the Black Box, but no Nemesis spawned?

[whole condor]

then we got stupid unlucky

and now im pissed

[worthy patio]

I'm only at 25:19 now that I'm in droppod

Maybe it was a later wave

[tall relic]

What biome is this week's EDD in?

[whole condor]

nope, it was on us at spawn

[worthy patio]

Magma Core

[whole condor]

Magma Core

in other words, no fun allowed

[tall relic]

Just woke up and don't feel like booting up my PC yet lol

[tall relic]

Daaaamn

[whole condor]

deep dive data is always pinned

[worthy patio]

Mactera Plague Stage 3 is gonna be fun tho

[tall relic]

Ah gotcha

I just started doing EDDs two weeks ago

So I'm gonna be going from Crystalline Cavers to Magma Core

With no in between

[worthy patio]

With a decent team you'll make it through

Mules as last mission kinda sucks for solo, ngl

[ancient cove]

I understand. In fact, I just found out, that Devs have an official endpoint, that provides seeds.
https://drg.ghostship.dk/events/deepdive
Also the creator of the API is already working on a solution that uses the game to update the API automatically.
https://github.com/MoritzHayden/drg-api/pull/3

[oak pecan]

Anyone do the EDD as a solo gunner yet? What loadout did you use?

I used NTP+Lead spray last week and barely made it on stage 3, and I know this dive is harder

[worthy patio]

Just finished EDD on Solo Scout. Last stage really is tough with the Mactera Swarms. Wished I had gone for the boomerang instead of IFG for that stage alone lmao.

[worthy patio]

I think Six Shooter Bulldog is gonna be better than Leadspray for this week

Leadburster also works very well against Mactera Swarms

[oak pecan]

👍🏻

I usually tend to run clusters on most missions, if I run leadbursters I usually use them against stuff like bulks

Mactera are really my only weakness when it comes to haz 5

Besides stingtails

[worthy patio]

Yeah Leadburster takes good care of those

[oak pecan]

Yeah, I am running the DD right now as solo gunner and I just removed a bulk with leadbursters on stage 2

[spiral badge]

Exploder infestation doesn’t mean a lot of bulks does it?

[round mountain]

Oh god, imagine if it was waves of bulks

[oak pecan]

i wish it was

Stage 3 has exploder infestation

I was in stage 2

Caretaker fight was a pain

Exploders spawned during the phase where the caretaker spawns the shields multiple times

[spiral badge]

Caretaker fight should be interesting for me who likes to solo DDs

Think I’ll have to go gunner, I can’t deal with caretaker’s shields/armor/whatever very well without Gatling or autocannon

[supple remnant]

Edd stage 1 was easy, 2 was a challenge but not terrible, and 3 was hell

Gunner left halfway through the edd so no shields on stage 3 was absolute hell

Boomerang is a blessing for the mactera though

[spiral badge]

Mactera while fighting a dread doesn’t sound very fun

[worthy patio]

Exploder Infestation doesn't increase Bulk Detonator spawn chance

[indigo bolt]

EDD on magma core, this is not very rock and stone

[outer cloud]

magma core is my favorite biome now, used to be azure weald but i broke up with her after the dystrum incident

[earnest jacinth]

Magma core + shield disruption

[rare dawn]

oh i just realised caretaker is on edd

wait nvm

dreadnaught seems interesting

[supple remnant]

our black boxes went well

first black box was a cakewalk

second was a bit more difficult

but even without shields it wasnt a problem

yeah maybe

driller wouldve worked better with gunner tbf

but scout's stun boomerangs are amazing for the boxes if the scout had those

oh dang

[supple remnant]

since you can just stun the macteras that come at you

driller and gunner/engi and scout are pretty common pairs

id personally go driller and gunner for shields and swarm clearing but if yall dont have a promoted gunner yet then id go either driller and scout or engi and scout

or you could just drop scout entirely but scout was very helpful this time around

at least for us

[primal venture]

I do not recommend going on a DD while drunk

I nearly died three times because I stumbled off a cliff

[spiral badge]

You or your dwarf?

[primal venture]

Dwarf

Takes 30 minutes for the effects to wear off and it carries between missions

[raven carbon]

Just finished the deep dive, new mix of objectives this time

Final stage can be a bit tricky but very much doable

Sabotage with exploder infestation can be annoying

[primal venture]

Yeah
Rest in pieces hacksy

[spiral badge]

Yeah only drink safe for work drinks before lol

[junior plover]

the exploder infest on stage3 DD kept things... interesting

[oak pecan]

Yall were right about the nemesis on stage 2 of the EDD

Good thing my drop pod landed on it

[prisma ocean]

Does anyone know how I can start using the pods?

[coral pond]

you need a role from #welcome-and-rules

[prisma ocean]

Wicked thank you

[delicate saffron]

finally a fun edd

that was really cool

a bit too spammy on the black boxes but very fun

[coral pond]

you didn't play the edd where each secondary was a black box then, huh?

[oak pecan]

Pray for me, going into 3rd mission of EDD solo

[oak pecan]

My god I did it

[ancient cove]

👏🏻

[spare beacon]

is there somewhere in this discord where i can find the current DD/EDD missions?

[leaden cypress]

Check the pinned messages

[static lichen]

yea, on my first edd attempt we left the drop pod and got attacked by a lot of phase bombs

but we lost it on stage 2, since the team was huffing glue instead of getting anything done

second attempt

stage 1 is smooth and easy, barring a bulk that decided to drop in during black box

but not panicking and calm leadburster+shield usage pulled it through

stage 2, we didn't have a scout, but we pulled it together, not really hard as long as the team knows what they're doing

stage 3

i've never seen that many mactera

some of the miniswarms from the broken mules were easily above 20 in size

[compact bay]

EDD stage 3 was wild because of the mactera lmao

[static lichen]

but hellfire being strong + driller doing god's job was enough

protip, if you're not sure about surviving stage 3, get a friendly driller to make a hole in a wall

trust me, it will be useful

we made it through without any bunkers or the like, but if you don't like mactera, stage 3 will clap your balls like crazy

also, there was a huuli on both dives

iirc

dd had it on stage 1, i hyperfocused on killing him and got killed by falling refinery

but i got the kill, so there's that

also, normal deep dive has a stupid amount of nitra

we were going into the stage 3 caretaker fight with 700 nitra

[delicate saffron]

somehow accidentally triggered hiveguard

[static lichen]

leadburster?

[delicate saffron]

had to lure it to spawn and seal the hole with cheese to stop the mactera / endless naenaes from coming in

[delicate saffron]

nah

literally no idea what happened

[wraith shard]

holy cow this weeks EDD is something else

took 5 tries

YO actually btw the blackbox on the second stage just started floating in mid-air when i dug it straight down for a bunker

that was fun

i nuked it with c4

still floating

[spiral badge]

Yeah some objects don’t check for collision underneath and some do

Resup pods and the other pods that get called down are ones that do

[wraith shard]

no way i went in with 3 fresh lobbies and 3 other classes and it took 2 greybeards + my main class + a leaver to win

(also tangent, the game gets a bit too easy if someone leaves mid-dive)

[thick sapphire]

edd 2 doesn't pull punches

about to stabilize after black box and boom another swarm

[oak pecan]

Leadbursters and using resupplies as cover saved me during the uplink section

[thorn jewel]

EDD was fun

we had two people do randoweisser and it was super cursed

[thick sapphire]

managed to get the pod to come for second stage but nobody could get to it

once the minehead runs out of ammo it's rough

gonna try the normal DD

[thick sapphire]

tbh i don't think i was doing too poorly, maybe just not doing objectives too quickly (though i'm gunner so not too easy to rush objectives compared to more mobile classes) and it gets hard to clear stuff when getting overwhelmed, but just surviving i haven't been doing too badly

[shell raven]

i didn't received my "Deep for Speed" achievement, need to have DD and EDD under 45min?

[thick sapphire]

i feel like cryo vamp driller would be good for edd stage 2?

too bad i only have gunner promoted so far

everyone else is pretty close though

on my last edd attempt i wanted to just run to pod at the end but the tremor made me too slow

to kite

or dodge mactera

edd1 is pretty easy

[naive galleon]

jeeeez, what was that entry room for edd3

3 breeders, 2 spitballers, and mactera

[rose urchin]

oof

[shell raven]

someone can help me with DD sub 45?

[thick sapphire]

on the edd attempts so far it's always at least two swarms by the time we get the aquarqs in

i'm tempted to try and get driller promoted and try edd as that

with cryo

for the mactera

third attempt was us wiping on black box (mistake not to get more supplies in place before starting it though)

[full saddle]

do you have a scout on your team?

[thick sapphire]

all my attempts so far we had all roles, random teams though

[full saddle]

gotcha

[thick sapphire]

not a premade with friends or anything

[full saddle]

well if your scout knows where the aquarqs are, they can get a lot of them very fast

[thick sapphire]

yeah i feel like if scout and engi are faster on objectives that would help with stage 2 a lot

[full saddle]

tell your scout, if they havent done the stage before, to go up the side cliff thing, theres around 6 aquarqs right above the minehead

the scout can mine and drop it down the hole

other classes can help too ofc but scout can grab em all very very fast

[thick sapphire]

true

i feel like i'm skilled enough to do fine but not skilled enough to carry

so far

[full saddle]

you're gunner, right?

[thick sapphire]

so far yes

i play other classes but i'm still working on getting them to first promotion

in the long run i want to play them evenly

[full saddle]

yeah so s2 is definitely a place where you cant do very much to get a lot of the objective done

just have to do your best there

[thick sapphire]

so far for the aquarqs i usually try to get the ones near the ground and i can throw a few ziplines here and there and shoot bugs and mine

[full saddle]

yeah so i just checked theres 5 aquarqs above the minehead

scout gameplay 💯

[thick sapphire]

hopefully once i get a run that gets through 2 that 3 won't be too overwhelming

[full saddle]

3 is where you'll shine as gunner

shields are great against mactera

[thick sapphire]

just got to remember to throw them down when the team needs them and not just for self panic lol

like if there's 8 mactera i should probably just throw one down proactively unless the terrain is nice enough to kite and dodge easily

[ornate beacon]

tell ur scout to bring m1k for stage 3, if u hit the breakpoint of damage (upgrades) to 1 shot the tri spitters its very nice

[clever pelican]

you're gonna run out of shields extremely fast if you use them that often tbh

[thick sapphire]

currently i'm using barrage hurricane with stun and a brt7 (no oc's for it though, not sure if the hand cannon would be better but also no ocs)

[thick sapphire]

well sure if that many spawn every minute i won't waste shields all the time

[clever pelican]

me and this guy just first tried the EDD as Scout and Engi, kinda surprised to see that people are struggling the most with stage 2 instead of 3

I think it is just a matter of getting your Scout to really rush the aquarqs

[full saddle]

shield disruption can really throw people off and if people dont hurry up its pretty easy to get overwhelmed on PE

[ornate beacon]

to be fair we had like 8 resupply pods called down before we attempted the boss and uplink/refuel

[thick sapphire]

edd has a lot of mactera in general

that's why i kinda want to promote driller and do cryo war crimes

[clever pelican]

btw mathchamp, idk if you know but Iron Will is an extremely strong perk if you aren't already using it

[thick sapphire]

yeah i run iw + dash for gunner

[clever pelican]

it resets every stage so it's especially strong here

[thick sapphire]

i tend to underutilize shields and grenades

[clever pelican]

also for stage 3, the Drop Pod provided key cover during the Dreadnought fight in our run

[thick sapphire]

though half the time i'm worried when it gets to a point throwing a nade it's going to blow up my team lol

maybe should try a different nade type

[clever pelican]

what grenades are you using

[thick sapphire]

currently been using cluster, usually i throw it if there's a ton of enemies on the ground or something

[clever pelican]

ah yeah it tends to do that

for weaker groups the Leadburster can fill the same role but tends to be less of a teamkiller

Incendiary Grenades might also do well but now that I'm thinking about it I don't think I've ever actually equipped them before

[thick sapphire]

yeah i was thinking to try leadburster

[clever pelican]

Leadburster's probably gonna have an easier time with the Macteras in Stage 3 as well

[thick sapphire]

what tends to work better for those buggers, brt7 or bulldog?

for brt7 i run the burst stun

[shell raven]

someone can help me with DD Deep for Speed achievement?

[thick sapphire]

but yeah i probably just need to find a team where scout gets things done quickly enough

how many aquarqs before swarm 1 would be good?

[dusky mauve]

If you arent doing the box til after the swarm 6-7

If it's just one person doing it if you have a group of 4 you can probably get all fairly easy

[coral pond]

A full team can get all of them before the first swarm, if you split the team to 2 aquarqs 2 box, can get at least half if not more

[vestal sapphire]

My friends and I just did our first one but stopped for the night, is it the exact same cave every time or just the same missions?

[olive flicker]

Same cave, even similar spawns.

[static cape]

Nah bro we got this 💪💪

[nocturne tiger]

what build do guys suggest for this week for some1 w/o overclocks?

what class/build

not aiming for stage 3, just wanna get 1 and 2 done

[runic relic]

Deep Dive or Elite? Id certainly run Driller for DD since this refinery sucks

[nocturne tiger]

elite ^^ got few OCs like hipster, frostbolt

[runic relic]

Prob gunner for black boxes, its not too movement intensive stuff, any basic build should do

[onyx bison]

When in doubt go driller, I go sludge and subata but another one that I like is cryo and the wavecooker

[earnest geode]

Go driller and dig yourself a bunker. You can never go wrong with a bunker.

Unless you got yourself a bulk.

[runic relic]

Remember, cancelling Blackbox in DD/edd doesnt fail Mission in case that bulk does show up

[woeful niche]

only if it’s a secondary

[versed finch]

Im kinda new can you explain what a bunker is

[earnest geode]

A bunker is digging a path into terrain, then using driller's c4 to make a big hole inside, then just camp in there.

[dense sage]

if it’s not secondary you’ve run into salvage, not black box

[earnest geode]

That way, bugs will only spawn outside and try to move inside through the narrow path you dug, making point def and managing swarms very easy, since there's only 1 path to shoot.

Unless it's a bulk, since bulk can also dig through terrain.

So always make sure to drill a second path to act as emergency escape.

Btw, how useful is hellfire in this week's EDD?

[coral pond]

hellfire is good everywhere

[coral pond]

#drg-chat

[random rampart]

wrong chat, this goes to #drg-chat.

[grim vortex]

Oh

oops.-

[random rampart]

this chat is for deep dives

[grim vortex]

Sorry

I’m new here

[random rampart]

yea, i noticed lol

[pliant yoke]

This chat is sometimes all over the place, although it’s good to have at least an idea of order to keep it intact

[vestal trail]

is nemesis always going to spawn during stage 2 of this weeks deep dive?

i should clarify i meant the elite deep dive.

[zenith ember]

no its a chance thing

although i did get it too

[versed finch]

[young yew]

DD was ez, but last stage got pretty heated. Bunch of greenbeards and exploders = fun party

Engie built a ton of platforms on top of the caretaker but the two drillers didn't drop any c4 on top 😂

[vestal trail]

2nd stage it was right at the beginning as we got out of the pod

i sure hope so

wym easier than stage 1?

its 10 aquarqs with shield disruption

darn acid spitters

speaking of projectile enemies is the third stage mactera plague?

[static lichen]

wdym, stage 1 was easy af

the only remotely difficult part was bulk spawning during black box

but tbh, i'm kind of happy since there's finally a tough edd

last couple of them were easy af

[somber dew]

I got special powder out of this EDD.

Worth the few hours I spent tormenting myself

[ancient cove]

Don't worry, you will get every overclock sooner as you think

[hoary palm]

how dumb of an idea is it to do a deep dive solo?

[earnest geode]

Not at all.

[somber dew]

Regular dd is easy enough solo.

EDD really just depends on what it is

[earnest geode]

The only problem is time.

You're gonna be in there longer than doing it with a team.

[hoary palm]

ah ok, cool good to know 😄

I've thought about running one myself just to see what it was like, but didn't know if it would be too difficult or not

[earnest geode]

I mean, it's no different than doing regular missions solo.

[somber dew]

EDD's will scale to you like other missions but it's not nearly as forgiving just because of the nature of it

[earnest geode]

I should try soloing EDD sometimes.

Bringing all the op overclocks with me.

[somber dew]

Playing scout on 2nd stage this week sounds fun

Lots of room to jump around in.

[earnest geode]

Minelayer or NTP if I wanna solo EDD?

[somber dew]

Been hearing that neuro isn't as good as it used to be lately

Atleast from the gray beards I've come across overtime

Not to say it's useless though

So probably neuro

Just make sure to take some elephant rounds with that

[earnest geode]

Man I don't even have elephant rounds.

Sad gunner noises.

[somber dew]

Six shooter maybe?

[earnest geode]

Minelayer + hellfire?

Six shooter sounds good too, but I'd love something to kill the bloody dreads.

I could also go lsls + hellfire.

[somber dew]

Fair enough. Yeah probably that then

It's mainly the swarms that are a pain in this EDD

[solemn forge]

My first deep dive solo I did it in like 20 mins, this one took me an hour.

[ancient cove]

Why are you comparing? Each DD has different mission types. Some mission types have a fixed length or just take long not matter how fast you're.

[still geode]

if you're not speedrunning, minelayer does fine vs the dread on stage3 id say

[somber dew]

As I said before.

I feel the concern of this EDD is the swarms and the flying enemies.

The last stage on this EDD has like 4 breeders in one room

the fact me and my team beat that stage first try was a miracle. We were running out of ammo

[low arch]

Tried 5 times 😦 and always lose

[somber dew]

If I had to give some advice

The engi we had made a roof barrier during the uplink refueling sections so the mactara couldn't constantly rain down on us without being in view.

The driller can also dig a hole into the wall to bunch them up together if he needs to clear them out. Don't take sludge pump for this though. You won't do enough damage before they shred you to bits. (I found this particularly helpful when reserving ammo)

Also on the second stage. Make sure your driller makes multiple paths up and down each of the edges. Your worst enemy in this mission is the lack of walking space since there's so much magma all over the place.

1st stage you just gotta worry about the bulk det. That's easy enough

Honestly, despite how much of a pain it was. It's nice to see an EDD that took some actual brain power

[low arch]

TY for advice!

[brazen forge]

dear god this EDD is just about impossible

[zenith ember]

It's surprisingly ok for a magma core edd

Wouldnt say its a walk in a park but its already better than some seeds a few months back

[outer cloud]

i hope we get magma core next week too 😎

[zenith ember]

2nd stage will test if your scout is competent, 3rd on teamwork in the early part

I mean

If the gen is as tame as this 1 its alright

Its mostly flat on the important objectives

I still have ptsd on that 1 magma core with 7 cylindrical layers of floor

[maiden matrix]

So when I did the edd we had I think

3 bulkies spawn during the black box

Is there any advice on how to prep for that

[zenith ember]

No one with slows? Because in my run we were just staring at the bulk while hugging a corner of the zone

[maiden matrix]

I was playing gunner but

I guess just having a driller with cyro would be enough?

[outer cloud]

ifg scout

is the best

[maiden matrix]

Good to know

I’m pretty baby with EDD only did my first one last week

So new territory for me

[zenith ember]

If you are gunner you can bait it away and throw 2 leadburster to burst it down

[brazen forge]

biggest issue with this EDD is the massive swarm that spawns the second you land in 2nd stage

And my entire team runs out and loses their hp because shield disruption

[maiden matrix]

I just don’t know what loadouts people like to run

So I feel like I’m running weaker stuff

[zenith ember]

Thats kinda normal for PE/on site & salvage

[outer cloud]

don't exit the drop pod immediately in point extraction

[zenith ember]

You are supposed to clear the initial area

[outer cloud]

you can still shoot bugs from there

[brazen forge]

trying to get my team to do that

I camped in the pod but everyone goes cowabunga

[outer cloud]

darn

[zenith ember]

Frankly speaking most pubs run whatever unless you want to somewhat carry

... like face melters or some weird stuff

[brazen forge]

one dude was running fat boy in stage 2

that man did more dmg to the team than the bugs

[outer cloud]

worst is when people run heat/cold loadouts together

[zenith ember]

Thats ok due to mactera swarm on third

My engi was smart with his fat boy and got the most kills

[brazen forge]

directly firing it at the rig tho

:p

[outer cloud]

i have been itching to try out snowball driller so that might be fun this week

[maiden matrix]

I wanna be able to be like

Competent enough to hold my ground but also

[zenith ember]

Snowball would do really well

[maiden matrix]

Strong enough to help babies get the clear

[zenith ember]

You arent gonna carry 3 totally new players on this 1

[maiden matrix]

Oh no I know this one seems spicy

[zenith ember]

Unless you are cracked

[maiden matrix]

But generally I just wanna be able to like drag one or two to the finish line

[still geode]

you can throw a shield onto the bulk to push it away, usually gets it far enough away that you can rapidly kill it with leadbursters and run to the other side of the zone

electric trail coilgun is also super good vs bulks cuz its easy 80% slowdown

volatile bullets kills them super fast

[zenith ember]

They will respawn back on the next stage as long as one of you reaches the pod

[outer cloud]

i thought leadbursters were awful for the longest time but turns out i was just shit

[zenith ember]

Dont think ive removed leadbursters after unlocking

Its just good to remove anything high health or a scattered group of enemies

[outer cloud]

didnt help that most gunners i saw using it just hurt their own team

[spiral badge]

I’m generally not good enough with placement of leadbursters so I should use something else

[olive flicker]

On release lead burster had higher friendly damage.

[maiden matrix]

How do you guys like to use leadburster?

I’ve been using cluster because I found more results

[still geode]

throw em right under the mouth of bulks

or right behind and below hte rear of dreads

or under groups of mactera

[maiden matrix]

Ok rad

[still geode]

or in large uncleared rooms

throw them on hte lfoor if the ceiling/walls are covered in spitters, and on the walls/ceiling if you wnat to hit grunts on the floor

[maiden matrix]

From my experience it feels like gunner is the least played class

[still geode]

they are not very good vs praetorians and oppressors however

[maiden matrix]

Feels like every group I join has gunner open

[still geode]

be mindful of friendly fire with leadbursters, sometimes you just want to put down your shield when using them so your teammates are safe

other times try throwing them over a hill or something so that shots don't come your direction

[dense vessel]

Did both DD’s first try, The Elite was a little rocky towards the end but it was simple enough with some coordination.

[raven carbon]

Edd was a good one this time

Last few were quite easy

Good challenge

[gusty loom]

edd has my friends and i busting our asses since were not too experienced but damn its fun

we havent even beat stage 2 tho

[raven carbon]

You really need an experienced gunner on this one

[gusty loom]

i can tell

[raven carbon]

Good shield usage is essential

[gusty loom]

moment i hopped off of gunner there were so many moments where shield would've been a miracle

[raven carbon]

Stage 2 is shield disruption and 3 is mactera plague

[gusty loom]

sadly my friends are sleeping on gunner rn so only two of us have it promoted

[raven carbon]

For 2, you can get by if you have a fast scout

[gusty loom]

we managed to get the aquarqs but the swarm after it kicked our ass

[raven carbon]

Depends how long it took

[still geode]

i recommend doing black box ASAP before the bug count scales up

[raven carbon]

Point extract needs speed

Yeah it might make more sense also to avoid losing time if you fail

[gusty loom]

about 2 or 3 swarms passed before we died

[raven carbon]

If you die in black box might as well not spend all the time collecting aquarqs

[still geode]

also if you know the aquarq positions you can get them real fast

[raven carbon]

Do you have an engi with you

[gusty loom]

im the engi

[raven carbon]

Oh ok

Little bit of a personal preference but depending on how you build it, engi can be incredible at crowd clearing

And all stages this time need that

[still geode]

driller gunner seems like the best combo to me

driller for swarm clear gunner for single target

and driller gets aquarqs fast

[gusty loom]

oh yeah engi crowd clear is nuts

[raven carbon]

I used Lok1 ecr inferno breach cutter and shredder swarm

[gusty loom]

i dont have any ocs for warthog yet but inferno breach cutter saved my ass

[still geode]

yeah inferno is great

[gusty loom]

no have ecr yet sadly

[raven carbon]

Yeah that's true

What are you using as your primary

[gusty loom]

warthog

i dont have ecr yet for the lok

[raven carbon]

I'm not sure how useful warthog is here

Personally I don't like it, but if you're used to it then you could make it work I guess

[still geode]

exec lok is also really good

[gusty loom]

i do have exec lok but im not confident about the ammo

[still geode]

if you're smart about how you use it the ammo lasts long enough

[raven carbon]

Exec might not do that well for crowds

[still geode]

breach for crowds, exec for all the dangerous bugs or for cleaning up 1-2 remaining ones

killing dangerous enemies fast lets you line up breach shots on crowds more effectively

as you can afford to take the time on lining bugs up

[gusty loom]

true true

[mellow cradle]

exec will do especially nicely for the mactera swarm

[gusty loom]

only things im not sure about is if wide array or macro + triple split or plasma trail

[mellow cradle]

macro

[raven carbon]

I use 23111 ECR and the 3 burst thing can be hard to manage but does a lot of damage efficiently

[gusty loom]

makes sense

[still geode]

i run 11112 exec but some people like blowthrough

[raven carbon]

Triple split better for flying enemies

And in general plasma trail is overkill for most enemies

Everything is dead with the base damage anyway

[mellow cradle]

plasma trail secures the area form swarmers is what it does

[raven carbon]

Yeah it becomes really hard to aim at flying enemies

And breach cutter has decent ammo, can fire twice at a crowd if needed

[gusty loom]

once usually enough though

[raven carbon]

I use zoom lens, from what I've seen it's not a very popular choice

[gusty loom]

i might try lure next time to see if it can buy any time

[raven carbon]

It does a bit of both of the mods in that tier is what I feel

Without a big downside

[mellow cradle]

the decreased scanning is not a downside

it's an upside

[gusty loom]

yeah

[mellow cradle]

because it makes you not waste ammo

[gusty loom]

helps focus on one thing

[mellow cradle]

esepcially on exec, when you want to target weakpoints

[raven carbon]

On exec it's good

But for crowd control ECR it becomes too narrow

I tried both and zoom lens felt better

[mellow cradle]

if the scanning angle is large, you shots will curve and not hit weakpoints, and target unnecesary bugs'

[mellow cradle]

then you run into the problem of not getting 3 locks

[still geode]

on ecr u want to attack fewer enemies so that you can get 3 locks more reliably

[mellow cradle]

because your locks are more spread out

[raven carbon]

If the swarm is that big I use breach cutter anyway

Waste of Lok1 ammo

[river smelt]

hows elite?

ez?

[raven carbon]

Harder than the last few weeks imo

Good challenge

[gusty loom]

fun challenge

[runic relic]

3 was tough solo, first 2 stages whatever

[raven carbon]

I guess if there's a cryo driller mactera plague might be easier to deal with

[runic relic]

Cryo anything or just engi turrets, solo gunner was tough getting them all down quickly

[spiral badge]

freezing mactera and watching them fall and shatter never gets old

[rose yacht]

so when will they add caretaker fight in deep dives.

[spiral badge]

Wdym? There is one this week

[olive flicker]

I was wondering why my hipster mk1 felt terrible, finally realised I wasn't running mag size.

[sharp tundra]

Why is this elite deep dive so hard

[raven carbon]

It's there this week

[sharp tundra]

First mission is breeze but it’s hard to do the starting wave for second mission quickly. And third mission got too many stationary as

[raven carbon]

Yeah our entire team was shocked lol

Massive welcome wave

[static lichen]

also, if you're afraid of mactera, take something with fear

mactera are very vulnerable to fear

hellfire, ecr, that one upgrade on m1k, even the flamethrower (if you're not running cryo for some reason)

[runic relic]

If anything run cryo, also for the 2 breeders

[static lichen]

leeches and breeders aren't locked in iirc

leeches can spawn in different places

[runic relic]

I thought breeders count for stationaries, maybe not sry

[static lichen]

not sure myself

but point is, if you don't like cryo, flamethrower should also work

just take the fear upgrade

[still geode]

or just epc them

tcf 1shots mactera

[static lichen]

if you can use tcf, yup, they get instakilled

[mellow cradle]

snowball also one shots mactera, is easier to use than tcf, and is much quicker and safer than freezing mactera's manually with the cryo cannon
unfortunately, snowball is much harder to get than tcf

[zenith ember]

Both are fine, just depends if you want the primary or secondary to be the one killing the yellow flies

[olive flicker]

Stage 1 DD hoarder got killed by refinery

[static lichen]

happens

i killed that hoarder, but the universe balanced it by killing me with that refinery

[sharp tundra]

Cyro bad most of the time

It’s funny how ez the first mission is tho

Only problem is there’s slight chance for bulk spawn

[spiral badge]

Mactera have nothing to fear but fear itself

[tall relic]

Are satchels useful at all for the EDD?

Feel like using them in Magma Core is always a detriment to your team

I'm thinking of just taking the stun upgrade and chucking them in the air during swarms

[mellow cradle]

you kinda right

even if you use them for terraforming, you'll have to clean up the magma

[tall relic]

Yeah, so I'm thinking it probably ain't worth it

[sharp tundra]

Damage

Build it for damage

For oppressors and bulks

[tall relic]

Aren't satchels bad against bulks?

[mellow cradle]

oppresors and bulks have explosive damage resistance

[tall relic]

and I can delete Oppressors pretty easily with my build

[sharp tundra]

Still does damage

[tall relic]

Yeah but probably isn't worth the magma crater

[mellow cradle]

oppresors have 66% resist, and bulks have 50%

better to use it on praetorians, which don't resist explosive at all

[tall relic]

I'm gonna go for max ammo and stun

All I know is that there's a Mactera Plague in one of the stages

and I wanna keep spoilers to a minimum

[mellow cradle]

will the c4 help you with that though?

[mellow cradle]

you should probably leave this chat then

[tall relic]

Yeah I just popped in to ask that question

Stun is pretty good against Mactera tho

Trying to hit them directly hasn't worked out well for me

[coral pond]

Tcf has a pretty good radius

[mellow cradle]

if they are in range of the c4 that is

and you can't throw it very far

[tall relic]

Doesn't stun get bugs outside the satchel range?

[mellow cradle]

ah, true

[tall relic]

From my understanding you can just chuck a satchel in the air near enemies and stun them without hitting them

[mellow cradle]

I just checked the wiki, and the stun has a 10 meter radius

so that's pretty huge

[tall relic]

I tried TCF on a few Mactera swarm missions and haven't had much success. Think I need Energy Rerouting to really make it viable

[tall relic]

Yeah it's busted

I'd use it more but the larger terrain clear has came in clutch for me too many times

[mellow cradle]

do you run charge speed?

(you should)

[tall relic]

I was running it when I tried TCF

Right now I'm running a full Heavy Hitter normal shot build

[subtle rain]

anyone elses game crashing on them when trying to do a dd or is it just me

[silent tree]

anybody got tips for the magma core elite deep dive?

suffering currently

[coral pond]

21222 is pretty easy to tcf without energy rerouting, as long as you're not using an oc that increases heat gain

[sharp tundra]

Have a driller with cyro cannon. Make a bunker for start of second mission. Thankfully there’s lots of nitra second mission. Have gunner use zip lines to get to aquarics on top

Third mission is just suffering

[raven carbon]

Which stage

Get out of point extract as fast as you can

Stage 2

3 needs bunker the mactera are way too many

Good gunner shield use will help

[sharp tundra]

Yeah give gunner all the tesupplies lol

[dense vessel]

This

Our driller bunkered and it made black box light work

[thick sapphire]

yeah the teams i've had so far have been fairly slow, like 2-3 swarms to get them

the fastest was 2 swarms and then we died on box

[thick sapphire]

but the scout was level 90 something and the rest of us (including myself) in the high 30s blue level so no actual greybeards to carry

[worthy patio]

Idk, EDD was pretty manageable on solo scout

2nd stage you just want to rush for Aquarqs first then do the Blackbox after

Have some solid CC and lock the place down

I was using IFG for this one, but for Mactera Plague on Stage 3 I'd have prefered the Boomerang 😕

[ruby wolf]

i always use rang at this point

[subtle rain]

its literally impossible to get out of the drop pod on stage 2 lmfao

[coral pond]

cryo nade too good for mactera

[ruby wolf]

DD or EDD

(havent played either yet)

[subtle rain]

EDD

[ruby flare]

just did my first DD, is the hour timer at the terminal a cooldown for recieving a new overclock in a run?

[thick sapphire]

you can get the OCs once per week each time the DD and EDD refresh

[balmy stone]

The timer is for the current dd, you only get rewards once for each dd

[ruby flare]

but, there's the week long timer, and then there's also the one at the bottom that's an hour long

[balmy stone]

The edd this week has its own cores so you can try that if you want more

Is it your mission time?

[ruby flare]

oh, maybe

💀

[balmy stone]

Some people speedrun dd’s so it’s mostly for them

There should be an achievement for under an hour though iirc

[thick sapphire]

The edd this week has its own cores so you can try that if you want more to die a lot

[ruby flare]

yeah, i dont even have my third passive slot yet so i think ill pass

[balmy stone]

It’s magma core and I haven’t played in a couple months so dying in the single digits is my goal here

[ruby wolf]

More than just the cores refreshing.

Once the timers hit 0, both Dives get new missions as well.

Both Dives last 7 days, and refresh every Thursday.

Also Deep Dive caves stay the exact same all week.

Same caves, same drop pod locations, etc.

[ruby flare]

oh ok

[balmy stone]

Sometimes events change though especially if there’s a different number of people

A nemesis or bet c might spawn on one run but not the next

[ruby wolf]

actually i might be wrong about drop pods considering they're supposed to land far away.

but if you end the mission in the same spot, it should be approximate.

[balmy stone]

The stationary objectives change too like blackboxes and uplinks

[ruby wolf]

jetty boots can spawn in dives as well;

every other crate or reward spawn doesnt.

[balmy stone]

I haven’t seen those yet cause I’m coming from s3 but they sound fun

There are huuli hoarders in dd’s still

[ruby wolf]

the overheat system for them is fairly generous, but they take a little while to cool down.

[thick sapphire]

in my experience black box spot is consistent

[balmy stone]

I’ve def seen them change spots which helps if the initial one was rough

[cinder stag]

What are the EDD stages this week?

[coral pond]

pinned

[cinder stag]

Oh thx

[balmy stone]

Shield disruption on magma core sounds about right

[cinder stag]

Gotta run vampire ig

[balmy stone]

And dodge some exploder plants and most of the floor

[spiral badge]

“Sure, that might as well happen”

[tall relic]

Just did the EDD first try somehow

That was nuts

I was most scared for the last stage but I think the second stage was harder tbh

[novel epoch]

We almost died on the 2nd stage when met nemesis

[subtle rain]

we've been doing this for 3 hours.

[thick sapphire]

lost again because scout took too long to get to black box so by the time we started it we got another swarm during it

even with hp beer

like we were ready to do it right after second swarm

[subtle rain]

I'm probably gonna wait either tomorrow to redo this or just wait for the edd rotation because holy fuck the second stage is impossible to even finish

[thick sapphire]

i think everyone needs to be on point

[desert lynx]

how's the edd this week?

[bold maple]

stage 3 is interesting lol

other 2 stages didnt seem noteworthy, i dont remember much about them

[thick sapphire]

2 is annoying

you get punished hard for going slow

[balmy stone]

Shield disruption is annoying for pe cause taking time to heal up or rez spawns more enemies to do more damage in a positive feedback loop

Low o2 is bad too cause of the detours but I’ve lost a lot more than other missions on stages with shield disruption pe

If there’s an open lobby I’ll see if I can get the w

[desert lynx]

well
there were 4 engineers

and uhh

[thick sapphire]

first normal mission i did after edd - on site refining but spawn was surrounded by brood nexus and korlok

haz5. We survived long enough to burn through 3 resups before dying

the greybeard engi we had could only carry the rest of us so long

[thick sapphire]

at one point engi even left and then rejoined with a different build lol

[balmy stone]

Normally I agree with 4 engis but a scout or driller make pe a lot faster

They could prolly finish the aquarqs in 4 or 5 minutes if they’re experienced

Engis are good for the blackbox though

[wise cosmos]

TYLER DONT DIE ON US BRO

[thick sapphire]

also, the moment when someone pops the cocoon on edd3 by accident

in the middle of fighting other stuff

[turbid dawn]

these stingtails are soo dumb man

they launch you across the map

wtf is this physics shit

[patent pendant]

Just finished it

That was

pain

[wise cosmos]

They should, theyve been going to the gym to work their tails

[turbid dawn]

theres too many janky effects with them and terrain

your dash mommentum is carried through with it

if theres terrain in the way you get sent flying like a ball

just dumb shiit

[olive flicker]

The fall damage from them feels weird too.

In a recent mission I got pulled upwards, used it to get to higher ground, but took a ton of fall damage even though I wasn't moving particularly fast when I hit the ground.

If you're solo a single bosco cryo rocket freezes them, which is the fastest way to delete them in my experience.

[jagged rapids]

Anyone else noticing that random ammo gets reset between dive stages now?

Before it was always just engi turret ammo but as of late I've noticed that sometimes my driller fuel is fully restocked between stages. Haven't seen it for scout or gunner tho and doesn't seem to be consistent

[tiny portal]

I had a guy with 1700 hrs in the game (I checked his steam profile and it was actually true) be a douche to some greenbeard in our regular DD lobby since they had not done a DD. Told him we'd be fine since I just did EDD and to just start. He said last stage will be tough since it's haz 4.5. I said its haz 3/3.5/3.5. He said I was wrong and he was right since I had less hours than him (300, so I'm no greenbeard lol), one of the greenbeards agreed with him, he said ratio'd (like what, ratio'd a wrong fact? hahaha) and he said I was a prick (I was simply stating a fact?). This was all in the lobby and first 2 min. of the DD. I said I was just gonna probably leave because I could tell he was a douche who was gonna lose his shit for no reason and kick me on stage 3 probably, denying my progress. He then teamkilled me and (ofc) lost his shit completely. Since this was all in 2 min. I considered posting this in deep dive speedrunning for the toxicity speedrun of this guy. It was insane, we were all just nice to him.

I was also surprised to find this in DRG, that guy had issues

Not gonna post screenshots since that's probably namecalling but yea wish there was a report button for times like this

[zenith ember]

Sounds like you got really unlucky with a really bad player if he is malding over dd that much

All i can say is forget it and move on, there are always unhinged players in any multiplayer games

Also whoever is the host can just kick him out, dont need to tolerate such behavior

[tiny portal]

Yes he was the host, which is why I left. I could just tell he was gonna kick me at some later point for no reason

[tiny portal]

True

[umbral zephyr]

do you get rewards for deep dive each time you complete it or just once per week?

[olive flicker]

Once per week, DD and EDD separate.

[umbral zephyr]

ok cool ty

[mellow cradle]

<@&296918282403840000> bro, free ban

[balmy stone]

Edd wasn’t too bad, I played with some level 20s and they had good teamwork

It got close on the third stage though but I put down a lot of plats to make the ground survivable and they showed me where they wanted em

[copper cedar]

How do you skip phases in dreadnaught missions? Can't find any tutorials of it online, and was looking to expand my DRG knowledge

[olive flicker]

Completed solo EDD on 1st attempt

Went pretty smooth all things considered, no downs.

[mellow cradle]

I replied to you in #drg-chat message

you can't skip the entire fight, but you can skip a phase however

hitting them while they are frozen with any high burst weapon like hyperpropellant or trifork volley will do that

[olive flicker]

This EDD I realised that a well placed bosco cryo rocket can have the same effect on a mactera spawn as cryo nade.

Though getting bosco to actually quickly and precisely shoot it is easier said than done.

Managed to wipe 1 entire swarm with it though.

[alpine lynx]

aint no fucken way

threw a c4 at the hive guard on edd stage 3

his projectile hit it midair

stuck midair

blew myself up

[candid bobcat]

if you're lucky enough to get bulk spawns, you can also kite both dread and bulk and use the bulk to insta-kill the dread, provided you get rid of the dread's yellow overhealth and is not in invulnerability phases

[copper cedar]

Yeah I've had a fair bit of success doing this. Managed to wipe out 4 dreads using 1 det once. It was a super satisfying sight

[surreal imp]

GOD edd stage 2 was hard asf to solo

Used 3 rezes and iw bruh

[high spoke]

there's always bad apples, no matter the situation lol

[subtle rain]

What happened

[mellow cradle]

nitro scam, as usual

[subtle rain]

Damn.

[quaint flame]

hopefully I can ask it here, because people in main are arguing way to hard. But is there any fun coilgun setups without oiverclocks? dont have any yet

[coral pond]

Depends on your definition of fun, since fun is subjective. But imo, no. Coilgun really sucks without OCs

[quaint flame]

my fun is simple: kill thing big quick, or kill many thing many time

XD

[languid rune]

yeah you'll hate OCless Coilgun then

[coral pond]

OCless coilgun does neither of those things

[quaint flame]

no coilgun for McLuvin then, thanks

[icy halo]

yo i just did my first deep dive, how do i get the recipes for overclocks? i have an matrix core but no recipe :i

[latent temple]

the blank matrix cores you can infuse by doing machine events which have a chance to appear in nomal missions