deep-dive-discussion

[coarse wharf]

I haven't used Quick Fire, so I can't really say, you can give it your endorsement tho

[pliant yoke]

The reload speed isn’t super noticeable, but it’s a nice increase still. What makes it better is the projectile speed part, which means you don’t nearly have to compensate with arcing projectiles over greater distances to hit things

And don’t have to spend a mod slot for that (also T3 mod only increases projectile speed by 50%, whereas QF increases it by 100%)

[woeful niche]

quick fire is diet m1

[alpine smelt]

I think the Fire Bolts are also pretty fun. It turns the Scout into a sort of puzzle solving class that is looking for big win opportunities.

[crystal folio]

Shield disruption dread

[scenic jetty]

that part was easy when we had turret arc and corrosion to make it stuck on a very ideal spot

idk if radiation gives slow down to enemies since i nuked it a lot

[upbeat kite]

yo all my friends are offline, anyone wanna do a deep dive

actually nvm, got pots o gold, time to gold rush

[wheat dew]

Easiest part of the stage tbh

At least for a scout

[runic plaza]

just tried my first elite deep dive, encountered a bulk detonator, hiveguard dreadnought, 2 breeders, spitters and brood nexus, as well as exploder infestation in the first round and died

[crystal folio]

The second stage was horrid

Someone popped the egg before everyone was ready

We were still fighting off a swarm

Economy was fucked so for like half the deep dive I have an average of 4 shots total left

[tacit jungle]

DRG gets a tiny bit harder when your teammates are throwing, yes 🙂

Sometimes they're really funny about it though, had to fight two dreads at the same time a few times

[placid musk]

i run out of ammo when i use ASS

i bring hipster purely for ammo XD

i use AISE 9 out of 10 times anyway

[coarse wharf]

hey, I wanna follow up with some tips with Fire/Cryo Bolts

you can use Pheromone Bolts to bunch up to 18 bugs on one bug, then shoot a cryo or fire bolt into the target marked with a Pheromone Bolt

and maybe shoot a few more Cryo/Fire bolts around the area

[tulip idol]

Up to 18*

[coarse wharf]

oh, thanks Sentro

[tulip idol]

6 primary positions and each bug in those receives 2 secondary positions

6 + 2x6 it becomes

But on practice affected bug starts attacking back so it becomes 17

[coarse wharf]

so pheromone is even stronger than I already thought

wow

[tulip idol]

For the canister it is 4 + 2x4

[white wraith]

anyone has any ideas to get past the 2nd elite deep dive

i keep dying at the exact same spot

[tulip idol]

Voice communication and watching over each other, saving with tools and cc

[white wraith]

ye faiirr. everyone keeps splitting at that one spot fairly early on where it just drops deep into a huge cave 😓

if you stay up there you get swarmed and die

if you jump off there's tons of stuff waiting for you down

[tulip idol]

Find a tunnel, clean and slowly advance

[white wraith]

never got past that part in 4 tries

[tulip idol]

Hmm it's salvage op, then you enter the cave, go back, clean what has spawned

Then go forward with driller while cleaning dangers

Don't go 1.5 m near mules until you're ready, it summons 2-spawn waves

[white wraith]

oh does it

damn

[tulip idol]

Yeah within 5-35 s after you got close to it

[white wraith]

yeah we never even got as far as seeing a mini mule ☠️

[zenith ember]

you can directly access the large cave if you drill to the right side of the tunnel, close to spawn

[zenith ember]

if you ask me though, the box/fuel cell can be an absolute nightmare if rng doesnt favor you

i got a box in a tunnel, then a fuel cell on a floating piece of land in one of my runs

[uneven lotus]

I left a couple dwarves behind guys.

[coarse wharf]

if it gets the job done and save everyone's time, you're doing fine

don't worry

they just end up in the med-bay, no one got truly left behind

(unless you are Karl)

[uneven lotus]

Okay, good.

[inner mauve]

do any of the deep dives have an elimination mission

[coral pond]

Ran the edd duo with a friend, quite possibly the easiest one we've done in a long time. First attempt we took too long on stage 3 and just couldn't keep up with the swarms, next 2 attempts we tried with randoms which failed miserably, final try i went sticky flames driller and it was a breeze

[coarse wharf]

check pins

[coarse wharf]

Sticky Fuel Driller 👌

I was REALLY wrong about CRSPR back then... I have much more appreciation for it now

[coral pond]

Yeah sticky fuel made stage 3 such a breeze

It didn't help that on our first attempt i was scout and we had 3 swarms, one of which was mactera, vs the 1 swarm we got as i was driller

[coarse wharf]

oof

[crystal folio]

Two of them

In DD

[placid musk]

crspr is like the nuke, it seems meh and then just gets more broken the higher you increase the hazard

also who has a good ecr build

i heard of 22221

[coral pond]

That's a really bad build

21111 is the go-to

[dusk vessel]

personally like 21111 as well because you can trigger electricity on enemies that survive the blast

[coarse wharf]

yep, 21111 is only how you build Explosive Chemical Rounds

Macro Lens is just good for having more control where your locks would go to, Electro-Chemical Rounds since it has synergy with Electric Generator Mod, Shutter Speed Sensor for faster locks

almost half of LOK-1 mods are just... bad

you use 11112 if you run Executioner

[stiff pumice]

Dropped regular DD twice in a row now. Any problems with it this time?

[tiny portal]

Agree, 21111 is the best one I think

I tried 21113 for a bit but with 3 locks the fear is barely doing anything

So 21111 is the best imo

[dusk vessel]

fear probably wouldn't be good cause it spreads them out too

so less value from explosions

[tiny portal]

Yea, I thought maybe when glyphids are close it could be good, but it wasnt

Saw some guy in yt run it and decided to test it, but nah

[tiny portal]

You got a good sticky flames build? I just got the overclock this week and curious to test it out

Is it better than sludging the ground with charge sludge pump shots?

[coral pond]

2323X

it's quite possibly driller's most ammo efficient build in general

little less than half a tank can kill a whole swarm

[coarse wharf]

it's much more consistent, and heat spreading is strong

you don't have to worry about where the sludge could end up

[coral pond]

also the flames can stick to ceiling and walls a lot better

[coarse wharf]

yup

that being said, Sludge Pump melts armour, which helps against Shellbacks

those fuckers are annoying lmfao

[coral pond]

true

[coarse wharf]

it's also funny seeing naked bugs too

[coral pond]

guards without armor is so cursed

[coarse wharf]

yup, hahaha

[woeful niche]

even without the armor dmg, sludge blast and Vim just obliterate shellbacks

[coarse wharf]

well, armour damage is built into the CSP now anyways, hehe

but I guess you were talking about pre-buff CSP

[woeful niche]

the innate armor breaking is nice cus it def was never worth taking as a mod before

[coarse wharf]

yep

not when there are better options

it made sense to be an innate stat anyways, since the sludge is supposed to be corrosive

[rigid sorrel]

This week's EDD feels rough

[woeful niche]

it’s not too bad

want me to help ya?

[dense pebble]

Stage 2 is death if you're not prepared

[tough osprey]

Is 1h 30m an ok time for solo EDD?

[dense pebble]

but with proper use of bunkering its not too hard

if you complete it successfully, any time is good in my books

[tough osprey]

1 death and I'm furious lmao
I misplaced the fat boy

[tough osprey]

What was that again? ||elite threat, morkite and salvage||?

[tough osprey]

Have u seen praets 🙈

[dense pebble]

Yeah it is

[tough osprey]

I got 2 ||elite|| menaces at once and I had 0 ammo 😭

[wraith shard]

Elite grabbers are when the fun begins

[tough osprey]

Had one of them at spawn

There was a vein of nitra and it was just waiting for me to start mining it

Then we went on a tour of the world

[wraith shard]

On my first two attempts we had elite grabbers… little huggy bullet bastards

[wraith shard]

“I can show you the world” takes a whole different meaning when it’s done at Mach 5

[tough osprey]

Lmao

[wraith shard]

Honestly, the sludge pump and slowing sticky fuel are so good for point defense

Then again when everything moves super quickly the sludge fields are such a life saver

[tough osprey]

I like fat boy ngl xD

U can literally make a fallout shelter

[tough osprey]

Is sticky fuel an OC?

[wraith shard]

Yeah it makes the flames that stay on the ground last longer and deal more damage (add the slow on the flames perk and you have a burning sludge pump)

[wraith shard]

Fat boy is super fun

[tough osprey]

Ohhh ofc ofc

Thought u meant for sludge pump

[tough osprey]

It carried me through solo EDD today

As long as u have a solid primary and dash you're unkillable

[wraith shard]

Turret whip is too much fun to leave behind (haven’t found my stride with the stubby)

[tough osprey]

I own it but dont use it

I don't like having to stop, build a turret in the appropriate place then move myself around it

But mb worth a second chance

[wraith shard]

I tried the turret builds and OCs for stubby… they don’t hit the same like turret whip does, and that’s not even an OC

[tough osprey]

I'm literally using a random clean OC for it and tbh I think it's my base mods which carry it

[wraith shard]

What’s the build? I might test it out as I complete my gunners promotion

[velvet raptor]

what’s the best build for solo dd or even edd?

[tough osprey]

Not on the game rn, I'll check in like an hour

Iirc it was 23321 tho

[dusty pine]

depends, but just one weapon that's heavy ad clear and another that's heavy damage. and or speed and just ignore everything

[velvet raptor]

so nishanka and m1000

[dusty pine]

ye

you playing scout?

[velvet raptor]

yea

or just special powder and don’t care?

[dusty pine]

mm prob for the normal dd yeah but elite might be too hard to ignore everything

also try supercooling m1k and ice imbed zukovs, that's my personal go to

[valid orchid]

hipster m1000 + zhukov/bow

[velvet raptor]

i like zhukov but with detonators it just loses ammo like instantly

[valid orchid]

I used Ice Zhukov but I think it works well either way

[dusty pine]

oh actually I just remembered

drak rewiring + embed zukovs

drak for large crowds and economic large boi shredding and imbed dets for smaller groups or faster kills

[velvet raptor]

rewiring only gives ammo to the drak right?

[dusty pine]

yes but it's alot

like effective 2000 I think

plus you can proc hot feet alot

also the manual heat dump is mandatory cuz it gives you more ammo for a manual overheat

[velvet raptor]

damn so drak never gets ammo issues

[dusty pine]

ye, the down side is if you don't over heat you lose a lot of ammo. so you need chunky targets to shoot

[stark girder]

Also nishanka pheromones bolts actually good

Shoot supressor/pretorian and enemies distracted and fat guy die (but pheromones grenade good too but i found using it in nishanka better)

[velvet raptor]

lfg is cooler

[hollow shale]

Just finished the EDD. 1st stage was super short, 2nd was a little rough, 3rd was smooth crusin' 😎

[velvet raptor]

nice

[hollow shale]

definitely a step up from last week's

[velvet raptor]

ive never done an edd

how hard is it compared to a normal one?

[hollow shale]

Well, i'd say quite a bit

You need to know your stuff, not as forgiving as a normal DD

A fair bit more dying

[tough osprey]

I aced this weeks EDD solo as engineer. My build was:
Stubby 32211 well oiled machine OC
Deepcore 21332 fat boy
Turret 1121 (this is preference tho)
Platform gun 212 (again preference)
SSG
Deep pockets, resupplier and vamp passive perks
Dash (to escape dangerous situations) and berzerker (for praets/oppressors) active perks

Sorry for late response lmao

[velvet raptor]

whats axed?

[tough osprey]

@wraith shard

[tough osprey]

aced*

[velvet raptor]

oh ok

[tough osprey]

Edited now lol

[grim wadi]

EDD was pretty chill as a goop driller

yeah xD

[wraith shard]

Thanks man ⛏️ 🪨

[stone cave]

Need a new EDD right now!!

Recently became obsessed with deep dives especially the elite ones

[grim wadi]

you can play the regular DD at haz 5 difficulty with mods, thats what we started doing to add more fun :D

[stone cave]

Starship troopers I saw the whole wall light up with detonators as my frames dropped to 30 XD

[grim wadi]

yeah that works too if your pc can handler it xD

hmmmmm i might prep a build that is DD but haz 3.5x2.5 or something

[granite olive]

Did elite deepdive get tougher after last patch?

[bright idol]

Newbie here, so like, what is the story or concept if this game? Whats the concept here

[hollow shale]

Kill bugs

With guns

Get rich

Mushroom

[wraith shard]

There are precious minerals to be had, go find them, bring them back, and DON’T DIE

[wraith shard]

Though seriously, there’s a vague storyline for Hoxxes IV, where we have to deal with a rival mining company to keep competition at bay, as well as the recent threat of the rockpox mutating the caves and stone

[bright idol]

Alright cool, I love it so far, super fun

One of my friends got me into it

[wraith shard]

Yeah it’s not like Monster Hunter where there’s a story but it doesn’t matter at all, it’s all gameplay focused and you can glean whatever you wish out of the antics

[bright idol]

Honestly I just like getting as many minerals as I possibly can and absolutely prioritizing that

Enemies and combat are second to me honestly, more of a inconvenience

I also enjoy just sorta, looking around

[meager gyro]

honestly, same. some of the biomes of drg can be really beautiful. but always try and upgrade your weapons for however you like to play, once you start doing deep dives its necessary

[sacred solstice]

what hazard level are deep dives?

[languid rune]

3-3.5-4 I believe

[sacred solstice]

for normal or elite?

[languid rune]

normal. EDDs are 4.5-5-5.5

actually standard might be bumped up one half-difficulty but I can't recall

[sacred solstice]

ight, ty

[dusty pine]

normal dd go 3, 3.5, 3.5 apparently actually

[normal shale]

3.5 then 2nd stage is 4 and 3rd also stays at 4

for normal

[coral pond]

No

3/3.5/3.5

[normal shale]

yea

my bad

elite is 4.5 /5 / 5.5

[reef raptor]

My first elite EDD messed me up with the amount of bugs i had to kite

Now its all just casual grinds

[placid musk]

any good big bertha builds

[craggy plover]

To the Gunner, Digger and Engi that made the EDD a bit easier despite how tight the cave was, cheers. I was the Scount with the plasma rifle with the broomstick and boomerang. Cheers lads.

[valid ginkgo]

I love how this week's EDD is just a veeeeery long morkite mission.

[hollow citrus]

more-kite

[reef raptor]

Id normally run 32311 on it

[pliant yoke]

33111 has been working greatly for me

I gave 22111 recently a try too, and while you definitely feel the lack of sustainability (low ammo), you definitely get to have a much better uptime (110 mag, high RoF = beeg damage)

I'd only ever take 22111 into an Elimination I think, though

[round beacon]

EDD is hell. Failed it 3 times at the second stage and then my connection curse kicked in.

[kind sleet]

What’s the best build for the stubby to be a good all rounder weapon so I can run low ammo secondaries liek fat boy and the spinny breach cutter?

[coral pond]

321X1 or 111X1 em refire is pretty stronk and compliments both of those options well with good ammo + good damage + high single target dps

[kind sleet]

Thanks

[ancient cove]

What exactly? I found the second mission the hardest, because you have to hold Uplinks 2 times and Elite spawns

But if you have Driller and Engi, they can make a Bunker

[round beacon]

We tried all gunner. That's where it disconnected 😦

[ancient cove]

Pro Tip: If you have trouble with a Haz 5 mission or EDD, let the whole team take S Tier builds

Most important is to have Sticky Flames Driller. It's the strongest build possible with Driller and it makes a huge difference

[little halo]

Did EDD with a driller who doesn’t terraform and an Engi who makes really low ceilings. Died twice in stage 2 so we just do DD and call it done.

[edgy topaz]

Yeah this weeks EDD really tested my patience with greenbeards this time around

[little halo]

I'd say this week's EDD is deceptively easy until it doesn't. Volatile gut makes exploder a joke, but that stage 2 main room with high up leeches was not fun, and fighting elite mobs without kiting them is a real challenge

Feel like need serious firepower or CC, or bunker up really well

[round beacon]

Eliminations, but what about elites?

[pliant yoke]

IMO you don't really need that much a sustained fire against elites for 22111 to be worth it, although if you don't mind the ammo malus, it probably can also do fine

It’s best paired with a secondary that can either provide you with swarm clear or crowd control, like Coil Gun with Ultra-magnetic Coils or Hellfire

[valid ginkgo]

We did EDD blind at reset, it was pretty easy. We rushed things and got sub 25.

3 of us were grey and 1 green.

[edgy topaz]

2nd stage isn't that bad I think, if you take the cave to the right at the crossroads it takes you to the flat area which is ok to fight in

[little halo]

Yeah, it's easy for greenbeards to take the left path and die where only a scout can reach

[candid kindle]

Just did the EDD on my first try with a full greybeard team, tho my mates were on their 3rd or 4th tries.
1st stage is straight forward, we screwed up by calling the pod right as a wave started and got overwhelmed in a tiny tunnel, but one guy made it out.
2nd stage was madness, exploders everywhere, it was frantic, we survived because driller and engie held their hands together the entire time and made some fantastic bunker areas. We were at deaths door at the very end but one dwarf wisely saved his iron will to get up and walk into the pod at just the right moment.
3rd stage was also straight forward. Swarmageddon was handled by the sludge driller + gunner combo.
Overall I think crowd control is key this week. Engies better get their A game up and plug those holes on the 2nd stage and gunners spam those shields, they'll buy you time. Otherwise nitra is plentiful so you can make it.

[round beacon]

If I announce in the server title that I'll request bunkering, would anyone join?

[ancient cove]

try it, never seen one before

[edgy topaz]

be prepared for people completely disregarding it though

[round beacon]

MOVEMENT IS FOR LEAF LOVERS

[fallow niche]

dunno if I'd say 'strongest possible' but it makes trash v easy to deal with

[fair quest]

Any1 else think the elite deep dive this week was easier than the normal deep dive

[copper horizon]

no idea, 2nd time dead by detonator in first stage of edd (team of randoms)

[coral pond]

It's definitely up there at the very least as driller's strongest build

[dense sage]

EDD2’s just been a major wall for me this week

[ancient cove]

I know nothing what could be stronger. You put Sticky flame all around with certain upgrades, bugs walk over it, get slowed and die pretty fast. And it's very cheap ammo wise.
If you don't have to hold a point, by spraying flames in the path of the bugs and run away from them, you can almost deal with a whole 4 player swarm yourself. Secondaries can be used to deal with ranged and flying bugs.
I carried Haz5 and EDDs often with this build almost by myself. If you have enough room to kite, not much can happen to you. In worst case, you can dig into a wall, spray flames behind you and make a tunnel to another side.

[coral pond]

Oh i know how strong it is, don't gotta tell me

[wild sapphire]

what do you mean not terraform?

[coral pond]

Clearing out terrain like pillars and walls to make the area more desireable for your team

[dusk vessel]

usually it's referring to making an objective easier by removing rocks from the area

yeah

[copper horizon]

how do you terraform in stage 2?
I mean, besides clearing walls in immediate vicinity of uplink/fuel

do you work on entire room?

[tropic crater]

does anyone know why the layout of the EDD is different on steam than on xbox on stage 2

[copper horizon]

because xbox version apparently has a bit different level generation in general (something about consoles, crossplay etc)

[dusk vessel]

all you really need to do is give yourself some space around the objective circles, then clear anything blocking sightlines to bugs (usually pillars, uneven terrain)

[copper horizon]

sightlines blockers huh... well there's just so much various walls and pillars around

[coral pond]

Pillars are priority, at least the ones in the immediate area of the objective. Engi should be making a decently high plat roof or at the very least patching holes in the terrain

[copper horizon]

kk, because sometimes my c4 clearing actually creates new holes...

[rose yacht]

welp

2nd stage was nasty today

its like triple spawn rates

or something.

with elites.

[copper horizon]

ok better terraforming effort seemed to help - 3rd time was success

funnily, stage 3 is quite easy compared to 2 and even 1

[cloud oxide]

Deep Dives are seeded right? Because when I tried the EDD second stage solo, my uplink was located in the super tight tunnel, while on the second try with a mate it was right next to the droppod

[grim wadi]

some bits arent seeded, ive noticed those things can change position a bit ya

almost like theres only a few positions theyll randomly choose

[cloud oxide]

Ahh alright, thanks for the info (:

[coral pond]

Honestly the only problem in stage 3 is time, since you gotta get all the way to the end to finish the morkite. And if you're not prepped for swarmageddon, it really takes it's toll

[dark stump]

anyone doing any dives?

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[elfin mural]

Ok I spent a solid 7 minutes or so scrolling and can't figure out this week's DD and EDD

[grim wadi]

check the pins

[elfin mural]

Oh-
Thanks lol

[young nest]

where do i promote character ?

[dense sage]

once you get a class to 25
and finish their promotion assignment,
go up the elevator to the right of the pickaxe station
and to the memorial hall
at the far end of the room, you promote your character at the terminal

[young nest]

thanks

[dark stump]

note, you can play other classes for the promotion assignment, so you don't get exp on a maxxed character

[coarse wharf]

if you want a faster way of doing it, you can get a verified mod that puts the promotion terminal in your cabin

[young nest]

how do i do that

[coarse wharf]

hit Esc, look for the modding tab

have to do an agreement first

then manage mods on the bottom right of the screen, just type "promotion" in the search bar on mod.io

[young nest]

thx

i cant do that coz it doesnt let me donwload

sadly

ah now i let me

and funny mods that you would recommend.

[coarse wharf]

googly eyes glyphids

[wise ridge]

i got 3 levels for the one solo deep dive haha

thoughts - the gravity for the first one was a little help but there was point where it hurt quite a bit because to repair drilldozer you have to jump and well with how slow you fall repair can be too late

second one im guessing i couldve died, thank god the fliers are so few because if i didnt freeze any right away that would be chipped hp. dreadnought wasnt easy but after digging paths the kiting wasnt too hard

on third one i only dropped once to be resed by bosco, to arbalest. i had to take time to find nitra to prepare for second cocoon, thankfully arena there was decent and even with red sugar that helped when i got low so i didnt die second time

truly it is a hassle to travel with just mule as air source but at least enemy spawns were more merciful in 3rd stage

[pine terrace]

I did my first deep dive today. Both of the cores I got were of the one class I haven't been playing.

[dense sage]

you'll get more later

[subtle bridge]

I am going to do my first deep dive

[copper horizon]

Lol why would someone make a mod for avoiding memorial hall

[tribal sandal]

Secret leaf lover

[ashen estuary]

i wouldnt want to avoid memorial hall but that god damn elevator deserves to be thrown into magma core of hoxxes

[coarse wharf]

don't like wasting my time, but you do you

[brisk spear]

memorial hall = downtime

[copper horizon]

Half minute of time to reach the terminal from your room, but I guess for people who go from lv1 to lv25 in ten minutes this may matter

[coarse wharf]

so... you ultimately agree with our sentiment about valuing our time

[copper horizon]

So... you ultimately agree that this specific "time economy" gives so little, it's barely worth even the time it takes to install the mod

[low jungle]

The walk to the memorial hall is almost ceremonial to me, i grab a beer and go there to ponder my experience

[coarse wharf]

mod installation takes less than 30 seconds lmfao

what are you on about?

[low jungle]

then i need to get back to mineral trading hall cuz i don't have 2 fucking bismor for promo or sth

<@&296918282403840000>

[coarse wharf]

your only argument against having a promotion terminal in the cabin is, "hurr durr leaf lovers" instead of an actual one

you want to role-play? go right ahead, I am not stopping you

but at least respect other people's choices

[zenith ember]

it gets tedious after a few times tbh

[coarse wharf]

yup.

diamond 1 on all 4 dwarves btw

would rather get back into the action sooner

also, the real irony is you taking your time to react unfavourably to those you disagree with, and react favourably to those you agree with

👏

good job

[dusk quest]

k

[coarse wharf]

goddamn, more of 'em

[serene zenith]

current deep dive is hard?

[coarse wharf]

not too bad

[serene zenith]

should i solo it?

[coarse wharf]

sure, why not?

[serene zenith]

or with ppl?

im prob can solo with my gunner

[coarse wharf]

it's completely up to you

[eager flame]

Yeah and there is even a mod for having a hotkey for every terminal in the rig if they want to argue about wasted time, you can literally not even need to move to do all the stuff you want
https://mod.io/g/drg/m/hotkeys

[pliant yoke]

That’s neat - I was curious the other day whether there’s s button to more easily access Deep Dives terminal (and order beer remotely), so this is sure to come in handy. Thanks for sharing!

[limpid rune]

This week’s deep dive is easy. The only thing that slowed me down was getting a a Hiveguard on stage 2. As a gunner, it was a pain to get behind him. Otherwise, totally doable alone

[eager flame]

Depending on the terrain you can do 2 tilted ziplines, so you can grab and speed behind the dread when you need to damage the weakpoint

But otherwise, yeah, it is really annoying

[limpid rune]

Yea I didn’t set it up correctly. I was doing a personal “speed” run for fun, no supply pod until I met him haha. It was a bother regardless. But a solid tip I’ll take into my rerun later! Ty

[slender relic]

are the deep dive rewards account based or character based? And does normal and elite deep dives have diffeferent rewards each week?

[pliant yoke]

You get one set of rewards for completing each type of Deep Dive, so it’s worth it to complete both a Regular and an Elite one weekly, and yes, the rewards are different (I.e., random) each week

Rewards are assigned to your profile, so they are not exclusive to each class type you complete the DD as.

[brisk spear]

best use of this mod is ordering leaf lovers special as soon as i load in to the space rig

[ancient cove]

😈

[zenith ember]

you convinced me, time to install it

[low jungle]

Engineers, what is your preferred turret setup for deep dives? Do you determine from the mission types what will suit better (mk2 Hawkeye or Gemini Defender) or run one

[dense pebble]

I always use two hawkeye

Gemini requires too much handholding

Its really only useful against dreads, and only somewhat at that

[low jungle]

what

Gemini are amazing against swarms

[coarse wharf]

Hawkeye is... not great.

Defender is a lot better

[dense pebble]

Wait

Defender is the limited FOV?

[low jungle]

yes

[coarse wharf]

yes

[dense pebble]

I meant that one.

[coarse wharf]

good

[turbid yoke]

what's the deep dive missions like this week?

[coarse wharf]

Gemini Defender is by far the best set up for general use

[low jungle]

check pins

[coarse wharf]

check pins

[turbid yoke]

ah cheers

[dense pebble]

EDD Stage 2 requires all your brain cells to be awake or it will destroy you

Otherwise easy

[low jungle]

we got our spirits crushed by 2 bulks spawning at edd stage 1, twice in a row. first attempt at black box then while escaping

[dense pebble]

Yikes

Bulk at the black box not ideal

The objectives that pin you in place are legit the most dangerous ones

[low jungle]

ye been thinking about not even fucking around with adjusting mk2 / gemini and just always run 1221, just place one turret at a time when not staying somewhere for long

[coarse wharf]

there ya go

[terse wind]

i visibly deflate whenever i see low o2 warning for a stage of a DD

[low jungle]

not that bad this time, just use landing zone as arena for dreads

we did a ring of ressuplies to keep O2

[terse wind]

aye, already did. dropped all my remaining nitra in there and could fight nor- yeah thats what i did with solo scout

could've been worse, all things considered. still dont like o2 as a warning though.

[dense pebble]

Low O2 and shield disruption honestly don’t bother me much anymore

Its aquarqs, pod repair, and elite threat

[low jungle]

depends on the mission, on some O2 is painful

mainly those without molly

[dense pebble]

Aquarqs because time is of the essence
Pod repair because being pinned down is super sketch
Elite threat because elite praets/menaces will remove you

Without molle is an issue true

[terse wind]

o2 on dreads can be really unpleasant if you don't designate an arena. trying to fight twins when you have to stand next to molly every few seconds is uh

not great

oh god i hadn't even considered o2 on aquarqs

[dense pebble]

Yeah thats a real issue

You need some real expertise to make that one in an EDD

[rigid sorrel]

the nightmares... its finally over.

EDD done

Took my friends and I 3 attempts.

[terse wind]

apparently stage 2 is the real killer

[rigid sorrel]

Bunker + Sticky Fuel is overpowered.

[woeful niche]

bunkering in general makes swarms kind of a joke

[karmic zenith]

I just did my first EDD today too and it took 12 tries pugging with the Join / Launch button

the 2nd mission is a fustercluck

[low jungle]

dunno how to bunker fuel pods, they are like in the middle of the room

i guess burrowing it and then a proper underground bunker but that's not my job

[karmic zenith]

i just dug out an overhang so more of having a patio roof to not have things drop on your head than a bunker

[terse wind]

if the team's down for it i usually underbunker stuff like that

you don't have to burrow the fuel pod/array, the zone's a full sphere so you can just dig underneath it

[karmic zenith]

none of my DD runs had any communication at all because of being NA pugging in the middle of the day on a weekday I only see games that are Far or World, almost all chinese and russians

just pings and s

[terse wind]

that does make bunkering harder. if only one dwarf goes in it often makes things worse.

[karmic zenith]

my run that actually made it all the way through was a 3 man Driller / Scout / Gunner fiesta just running and hiding in the wall i dug out to reload or get shield or w/e

it was actually the only one of all those runs i played driller in since right before i had a wipe in the 3rd map's tiny tunnels during a swarm so wanted sticky flames

[floral rover]

this second deep dive is soooo hard

[terse wind]

good work. driller can make or break a run. it's super high impact

[hoary relic]

what is a shitter, someone mentioned it in a previous game and i'm unfamiliar with the term

[terse wind]

either slang for a toliet or someone being a leaf lover and calling someone bad at the game in a toxic way

[hoary relic]

but they called it someone who was a high level

i had a feeling it was a bit toxic after seeing it mentioned on here when i scrolled through the history

[terse wind]

yep it's toxic. level doesn't matter, if someone's gonna be toxic they're gonna be well, toxic.

[hoary relic]

i see

[terse wind]

to get back onto topic, the DD is actually pretty straightforward except for the last one. shield disruption really wasn't that much of a problem

[still geode]

just did dd and edd, wasn't too bad tbh

just make sure your driller is doing their job on the edd

[coral pond]

A shitter is someone who's bad but thinks they're great. If you think you're hot shit but getting carried, i'd call you a shitter. Especially if you're cocky

[karmic zenith]

shitter just means bad and not related to being new or veteran, anyone can be a shitter with 5 hours or 5,000 hours in game

[still geode]

in stage 1 and 3 of edd ur driller has to really be on top of their game for swarm clear because of volatile + exploder in stage1 and swarm in stage 3, and in stage2 u want to terraform for the uplink/fuel because terrain is kinda bad

[hoary relic]

right thank you x

i think the guy i was playing with was on a bit of a power trip

[still geode]

would also recommend sticky fuel or possibly disperser compound sludge, cryo is tempting to nullify exploders in stage1 but cryo really struggles against the swarmageddon in comparison to fire/sludge

[coral pond]

Stage 3 edd was the most important stage to have a good driller imo. Me and my buddy made it there with no problems as scout/engi duo but stage 3 fucked us. I swapped to sticky fuel driller and stage 3 was a breeze

[still geode]

there was also a lot of extra nitra so if you feel the need to resupply for health you can do that

i think we had 3 resupplies worth of nitra left at the end of stage3

[unkempt dew]

Stage 3 on any smooth running dd/edd is nitra city

Use results within reason, obviously

But within reason also means using every resupply available

[still geode]

ye, mostly saying that if you need to call in an extra resup on stage 1 or stage 2 you're fine

we also had a really funny moment on stage2 where someone got noclipped by an elite grabber

[unkempt dew]

Express flight to Brazil

Funny enough I think elite grabbers are both the easiest elites and less deadly than non elite grabbers

Grabbers will hold you in place and drop you from a fairly meh height

But kill you if they hold you near the ground or next to a spitter

[still geode]

i've had to deal with elite grabbers a lot due to playing in lobbies with twitch viewer spawns where ppl could redeem them

[unkempt dew]

Cause then the swarm kills you while frozen

[still geode]

elite grabbers are fucking awful to deal wtih

[unkempt dew]

Elite grabbers move too fast to let other bugs kill you

[still geode]

they fly at 5x speed, literally noclip, and for some reason they hang around in one spot quite often right after moving and you get murdered by anything shooting u wehn that happens

[unkempt dew]

i guess it’s worse when they just appear

But on unmodded elite modifier missions, an elite grabber is the least threatening out of any other elite variant

[still geode]

if u can see it coming for you from across a large cavern u can quite easily deal with it, but in enclosed spaces they are one of the worst enemies in the game because there's zero counterplay to it noclipping through a wall, grabbing you, and immediately noclipping back through the wall and putting you in the middle of a swarm of enemies where your team can't help you

even with heightened senses, you know it's coming but you can't do anything about it because it noclips so you don't get an opportunity to damage it

[unkempt dew]

I haven’t dealt with a noclipping elite grabber

[still geode]

and it noclips through the wall again before you can activate the HS active

[unkempt dew]

I’ll take your word for it

[still geode]

yeah i have witnessed them noclipping at least like 40 times by now

[ruby gust]

What hazard are deep dives

[still geode]

if a wall is less than like 5 meters thick they'll simply fly straight through it, even if going around the wall would be like 50m+ of distance traveled

[unkempt dew]

Dive haz level for stages 1-3 respectively:

Deep dives: 3.0 -> 3.5 -> 3.5
(2 warns total, max 1 per stage)
Elite Dives: 4.5 -> 5.0 -> 5.5
(2-3 warns total, max 1 per stage)

[ruby gust]

Thanks

[plain bay]

bruutal

[subtle bridge]

Did my first deep dive yesterday

Elim on no oxygen on last stage

[wraith shard]

How hard is it to complete an EDD without overclocks?
Only one I got is Goo Bomber Special and don't use it often.

[still geode]

if you feel comfortable playing haz5, edd shouldn't be too bad

if you struggle on haz5 but do well on haz4 you might still make it with a good team but i wouldn't recommend it solo

[wraith shard]

I see. I haven't unlocked Haz 5, still getting all weapons unlocked and promoting each miner once at least. But haz 4 has been my default for most missions

I'll just try the regular DD solo and then try to find a lobby that isn't too laggy. Thanks, ajfish

[dense pebble]

Regular DD will be ez

EDD, get a good team first

[wraith shard]

Gotcha. Thanks! 🙏

[tiny portal]

@night coral can you like ban this guy above me? Pretty sure scams are illegal here right?

I mean the herbert guy of course

[storm yoke]

Whats the deep dive missions?

[wraith shard]

#deep-dive-discussion message

[storm yoke]

Ty!

[wraith shard]

The weekly dives get pinned here, just look for it in the pinned messages (and also on Reddit in a pinned post)

[storm yoke]

Tysm!

[coarse wharf]

minor correction, EDD Stage 2 is Haz 5

[unkempt dew]

I knew that, just fucked it up :p

rip. Anyways, fixed it and am now gonna copy paste that message every time someone asks

Hence the fancy formatting

[coarse wharf]

that's a good way to do it

[arctic plover]

I think it would be pretty cool if they added an even harder deep dive

And allow missions with double warnings

[dense sage]

with how often there are exploder/leech/mactera infestations without the warnings already…

[safe rampart]

Hows this for a special event during stage when your running to the deep dive machine a monster will grab one of the players turning the next deep dive mission into a search and rescue.

or if someone gets left behind they appear in the next mission as being captured.

[wraith shard]

I just wonder if lithophage cleanup is gonna be an objective in the deep dives… would be interesting

[smoky steeple]

This week's second stage is really hard holy i kant get past it

[wraith shard]

Yeah the placement is rough for the salvage

[wanton monolith]

is there etiquette to doing an elite deep dive? i just got promoted recently and i'm wondering if i'm too new to do an elite deep dive

[wraith shard]

Treat it like a normal mission, wait for everyone to be ready, only take one resupply in a group of 4 (ask before double dipping), grab all nitra you see as it carries over for each stage

If it’s the normal dive, people are pretty chill, it’s haz 3 so there’s no issue besides purposely making things harder for everyone, but the elite one you should get some of the good overclocks for your guns before going in

[wanton monolith]

ic, i did normal dive and it was really easy

is there a place to find what are the "good overclocks"?

[smoky steeple]

No its random

[wanton monolith]

i mean a list of the good overclocks

[wraith shard]

Sometimes it’s up to preference, there are always a few good ones (asking the general chat area can give you their thoughts)

[wanton monolith]

gotcha thanks!

[smoky steeple]

Ntp is op (neurotoxin payload)

[wraith shard]

It really is, I love being swarm control master with hellfire coilgun and NTP cannon

(Both with fear perks)

[smoky steeple]

You are a meanace to society and a living warcrime at the same time

[wraith shard]

As a Fat Boy enjoyer, I couldn’t agree more

[smoky steeple]

As a rj enjoier i love jumping

[wraith shard]

(Honestly though nothing beats deleting an egg collection ambush instantly with a FatBoy)

[smoky steeple]

Yes

[wraith shard]

I tried it once but I couldn’t get the hang of it, I went back to making staircases out of my platforms

[smoky steeple]

I also love the shenanigans I am able to do with hoverclock

[wraith shard]

I have to give the m1000 another go, I like the drak a little too much

[smoky steeple]

I used to play only gk2 then i got hoverclock and went back to m1k and im enjoing it a bit to much

[zenith ember]

<@&296918282403840000>

[smoky steeple]

The edd

[still geode]

for the EDD make sure you bring a good driller

sticky fuel is my recommendation, it really helps clear out the exploding grunts and exploders in stage 1, then you want your driller to help create better space to fight around for the uplink/fuel cells in stage2, and sticky fuel once again helps out greatly against swarmers in stage 3

[pliant yoke]

What if you bring a bad driller, though

[still geode]

suffering

[pine terrace]

But consider the following:

Cryo cannon go brrrr

[still geode]

cryo cannon struggles against swarmageddon because it's far more focused on directly shooting enemies while fire/sludge have sticky flames/sludge pools

cryo's ice trails are comparatively much weaker than those two

[pine terrace]

I mean you're not wrong but I find the cryo cannon funny

[smoky steeple]

I had goo bomber driller with us ut wörkt pretty good

[little halo]

yeah, pretty cool to mitigate fall damage without costing ammo like Special Powder (although not as instantaneous)

[coarse wharf]

Cryo Cannon trail needs a good buff

you can't even upgrade the dang thing

[unkempt saffron]

damn the caves in this edd are rather claustrophobic

[coral pond]

That's just salt pits cave gen for ya

[heady mortar]

I know right. When my crew of three did it, we had to quickly rush out of those corridors everytime a swarm happened.

[placid musk]

there's guides on steam & yt for them

but the best of the best imo are neurotoxin payload for the autocannon, hellfire for the coil gun, volatile bullets for the bulldog, explosive chemical rounds and executioner for the lok1, and persistent plasma for the epc.

the OCs that are the most fun to use are fat boy/rj250 compound for the grenade launcher, special powder for the boomstick, and lead storm for the lead storm minigun(yes they named an oc after the gun)

[bronze anchor]

hyperprop

:(

[smoky steeple]

And I gues hoverclock

[gloomy dove]

Any YT videos you can recommend on building dwarves for EDD and DD missions?

[little halo]

I personally use ReapeeRon’s “5 Scout/Driller/Engi/Gunner Build for every job” (4-vid series) to get some quick build presets. If you want to focus on a specific build, it’s better to search for weapon- or overclock-specific videos.

[coral pond]

I've seen some of those and there's some questionable choices iirc

[little halo]

To me, ReapeeRon is somewhat questionable in the sense that he pumps out too many vids too fast, so quality & depth may suffer.

I agree that the builds he present can be optimized better, but i think some of his compilation gives a convenient foundation to build upon.

[sleek verge]

yeah it seems mostly intended to be a general convenient foundation like you say. i think if you go with his advice youll pretty easily be able to figure out what areas of the build need to be adjusted for your use case/playstyle with a bit of playtime with a given build

[brittle tulip]

How many refills is the drill dozer mission

[still geode]

i believe one

[wraith stratus]

one or two depending on the mission length

a mission length of "2" is one stop, a mission length of "3" is two stops

[long sequoia]

i love you

[spring palm]

What do yall think about cycle overload on the warthog?

[languid rune]

probably Warthog's best OC, along with MPA

the others have their uses but CO and MPA are consistently good

[spring palm]

Sounds right, but out of the two which on is more fun?

[jagged sun]

thoughts on face melter?

[languid rune]

up to you. I think they play in similar ways—in that you pump out a stream of hot lead in front of you—but MPA tends to be slightly more long range

[languid rune]

generally the OC you want if you're not emphasizing sticky flames

the build should be clear enough: get one (or two, if you really want) ammo mod(s) and stack up on damage

[jagged sun]

yeah direct damage

my issue with sticky flames is that the sludge pump is designed for AOE DOT damage

so why not just run that instead

[languid rune]

not necessarily; Volatile Impact does great direct damage.

I would say flames tend to do more damage more quickly

additionally they can help out in a few circumstances (Korlok, for instance) but those shouldn't really be the primary motivator

[jagged sun]

and w/ sticky flames I have a feeling I wouldn't be able to take out 3 dreadnaughts solo

[languid rune]

well, no, because dreads take very little fire damage.

[jagged sun]

not enough direct damage

so i was thinking face melter to try and maximize my damage on driller

[languid rune]

sticky flames certainly have their uses, and you can use them on cave walls where it's much trickier to get sludge. but it's not the end-all-be-all

[languid rune]

this kind of depends what type of mission you're going for

if you're doing a lot of swarm clearing, SF is usually better

[plush wraith]

so called "Loot bug lovers" when they see a cluser of lootbugs on refinery and they have a cluster grenade

[coral pond]

sticky flames can stick to walls and ceilings better than sludge and are far more ammo efficient than sludge. But yes, it does struggle against dreads. As flamer does in general, no matter the build

[frosty jacinth]

so i havent played since JAN did the devs ever say when the next season will come out??

pretty sure it released in like NOV

[scenic jetty]

How effective is the resupply platform drop kill on dreadnaughts ?

[icy ledge]

Not at all, but very funny

[languid rune]

6.15.2023

[scenic jetty]

Oh, does the resupply doesn’t do any dmg once dropped ?

[languid rune]

no, it does damage; I think they were alluding to it being very hard to actually get the dread into place

[frosty jacinth]

a whole month huh oooffff

any idea whats gonna be the theme?

[languid rune]

they tweeted about it and it should still be in the Steam news

[scenic jetty]

Continuation of the plague fall

[frosty jacinth]

the pic?

[languid rune]

yeah

[spring palm]

I thought it was going to come out on the 18th?

[coarse wharf]

19th May is the reveal, 15 June is the launch

[coarse wharf]

Don't skimp out on Lightweight Magazines too, that OC is good

[coral pond]

the 19th is only the dlc reveal

[coral pond]

minishells doesn't

[brave blaze]

hey anybody know how we can tell wether we've done a deep dive or not?

[languid rune]

Mini Shells is fun, which is a use all its own

[languid rune]

if you go to the deep dive screen, the numbers will be lit up if you've completed those stages

[coral pond]

idk how that overclock is any fun when light weight mags is just the same without any of the downsides

[brave blaze]

thx a lot chief

[languid rune]

you can be a lot more frivolous with your ammo and it feels very good to dump an entire mag into a praetorian's ass

[coral pond]

Cycle Overload magdumping is more satisfying as it actually kills, and again lightweight mags gives you ammo without the damage loss

[languid rune]

CO magdumping is a lot trickier. you can do it but personally I find MS fun on its own

it's not that good compared to MPA/CO, but it's fun

the important thing with MS isn't really the ammo anyways; it's the reduced recoil

[coral pond]

how is co magdumping trickier? outside of REZ praet's, you can be right in their ass so nothing misses

[languid rune]

gun bucks like hell. the spread is pretty brutal too unless you're right up in there

[coarse wharf]

it's pretty manageable tbh

[languid rune]

it's definitely still my preferred Warthog overclock

CO, I mean

but I think MS is fun once in a while

[coral pond]

i can't see that massive damage loss as fun

[languid rune]

eh, Bodkin Points is objectively not a great OC, but it's fun regardless because the visual is hilarious

[coarse wharf]

Fun is subjective, so we can just do what we want

just need to keep objectivity in mind when recommending stuff to others

[languid rune]

right, and the original question was about CO and whether it's good (it is)

[bold maple]

face melter is still very bad against dreads

sludge pump is generally your best option for solo dread hunts

[coarse wharf]

In a (co-ordinated) team, take Cryo Cannon

if you are really good with your freeze timing, use Ice Spear

It's very much possible to launch an Ice Spear at the Dread while it is frozen

but the timing is tight

[coarse wharf]

yup, very much so

I generally prefer LWM for more consistency at longer ranges

decent fire rate in case my personal space gets violated

[languid rune]

why not MPA then

[coarse wharf]

feels a tad too slow in terms of fire rate

that being said, the tooltip is not accurate

If you take fire rate in T1, the in-game number says 1.7, when it's actually 2.25 iirc

enemy bugs and lots of technical bugs in this game...

[languid rune]

MPA is 0.75x fire rate but I can't remember whether it's before mods or after mods

[placid musk]

if you want some cc with your primary then yeah

though it's not something you can bring to every mission

[placid musk]

mpa is too weak at self defense

if shit hits the fan you're either forced to use breach cutter or die

[placid musk]

heat spread

[languid rune]

hard disagree, but you really don't need to be playing up close with MPA anyways. and even if you did feel the need, surely your turrets, shredders, and secondary are backing you up

[placid musk]

people don't always bring the ssgs and you bc will run out of ammo

[languid rune]

you don't even necessarily need to take BC here. PC/VIR Shard Diffractor work just as well

[placid musk]

if you get caught pants down in some hallway with any mpa build even with turrets your secondary ammo is your only viable cc tool and that's basically giving up survivability

[languid rune]

you're essentially saying that MPA is bad at self-defense because you're playing it like you'd play CO

when you should be staying a healthy distance away regardless

[coarse wharf]

not always possible

[placid musk]

bc is still more consistent

[coral pond]

😴

[placid musk]

if you get clipped by a slasher it's game over unless bc/rj250

[languid rune]

maybe, but this seems like too many assumptions to conclude that MPA is bad at self-defense (it's quite good at it)

[placid musk]

it kills too little at once

[languid rune]

that's never really been my experience at all

[placid musk]

i use stubby more cause of the cc anyways

[coarse wharf]

MPA isn't bad, it's just that the scenarios that the game can throw at you won't always favour MPA's longer range

[languid rune]

what, do you hug a turret and take EMD?

[coarse wharf]

Engi's primaries have always functioned more as PDWs

[placid musk]

i take em refire booster and blast the shit out of the glyphids

with max electrocution

just spray into a crowd and watch all of them die

[languid rune]

I don't think you can criticize MPA for not killing enough when you're taking EM Refire Booster

[placid musk]

while you nuke/sd the rest

[languid rune]

you're still relying on your secondary to mop up!

[coral pond]

all 2s stubby

[placid musk]

i use the nuke to take out swarms on the wall

who the hell nukes to self-preserve

i just lure at that point

engineer is the bug filter, just ignore praetorians

[coarse wharf]

keep in mind I did make this reasoning when I talked about my preference for LWM

[placid musk]

sure the gunner/scout can find some way to creatively kill it

[placid musk]

i mostly just use stunner/mpa

minishells doesn't click for me

CO if i wanna have some fun

[languid rune]

MS isn't really for everyone

[placid musk]

and i don't have light weight mags XD

[coarse wharf]

Lightweight Magazines for me since it felt the most consistent while still maintaining the role of Engi's PDW

having more ammo and being able to take more pellets are nice

[placid musk]

yeah i should try that

i mostly just use ecr on lower hazards to get better with it and use em refire + nuke/inferno on high hazards to obliterate grunts en masse

[languid rune]

the fact that it's basically just two clips more has always meant that I find LWM underwhelming

[coarse wharf]

I checked out USteppin's Engi Solo EDDs, they really surprised me with LWMs

[languid rune]

(depending on clip size, it can technically be 3)

I guess the other draw is the reload speed, but it's not like Warthog has a long reload time to begin with...

[placid musk]

it's kinda long compared with the other primaries

wait nvm it's not

[coarse wharf]

from anecdotal experience, reload canceling with LWMs felt really smooth

[placid musk]

it's decent but not scout level

[languid rune]

just dunno why you'd necessarily take LWM when there are other options that give you more utility

18 ammo isn't actually that much!

[coarse wharf]

trust me, it's more than enough

[coral pond]

getting a free 18 ammo with no downsides is pretty good

[coarse wharf]

it's very consistent in one-shotting grunts

[languid rune]

but then why wouldn't I just take CO instead and get better ammo economy

[coarse wharf]

the spread screws it

even at 3m range, it won't always one-shot a grunt

[languid rune]

but didn't you just say that you wanted it to be a PDW? that's literally where it excels

and sometimes that happens but it's fairly infrequent

and when it doesn't oneshot it at 3m, the pellets are flying into other grunts

[coarse wharf]

well... when there's a lot of bugs... you would ideally want to start popping them way before they are even in 3m range

[languid rune]

and that's even better for CO, because you can just hold it down and pop away

[coarse wharf]

heh... I take Turret Whip

Explosive damage is pretty good against Mactera and Slashers

[languid rune]

it's fine but IMO not really necessary for either. you have SD, which absolutely annihilates macteras, and you probably won't be having too much trouble with slashers—especially with CO

I guess it might be more appealing if you don't want to take SD? but I really like Miner Adjustments

[coarse wharf]

well, Turret Whip has good ammo economy

fire it into a crowd of bugs, it will one-shot grunts and Slashers if they are close to the blast

Turret Whip gives Engi another avenue for crowd control and damage, but I won't invalidate Miner Adjustments because I understand how people's playstyle may not involve the turrets as much

[languid rune]

I'm always unlucky with TW besides as my turrets would prefer targeting the swarmers on the ceiling rather than the grunts in front of me, though that only seems to happen when I take TW

[coarse wharf]

it happens, just gotta be aware of where your turrets are shooting before you whip them

[languid rune]

unless I'm specifically playing around turrets (things like EM Discharge and so forth) I tend to leave them as set-and-forget

[coarse wharf]

EM Discharge is great, especially when paired with platform repellent

one of Engi's greatest strengths is abusing bug path-finding

you are basically playing first-person tower defense as Engi

[languid rune]

depends on the mission type. in a bunch of missions it's not worth the trouble to set up

the ones that stand out where it is worthwhile are Salvage and Escort, obviously

[coarse wharf]

to be fair, it can work in any mission type

[languid rune]

it can but I'm definitely not going to bother in a Mining Expedition and probably not even in like OSR

[coarse wharf]

if you are in a tunnel, you are gonna likely be in a situation where bugs can come from two or more sides

completely blocking off all but one side relieves a lot of pressure, unless there's Bulks/Oppressors...

[languid rune]

thankfully I have three other teammates

the issue is that in a situation where we're in a tunnel and we hear "swarm incoming" the best thing to do is usually just to get out of the tunnel

[coral pond]

engi can effectively make his own bunker

bunkering without the bunker

[languid rune]

it's pretty uncommon to see players stay in tunnels during swarms; usually they go back to the previous room or up to the next one

so a lot of that effectiveness is essentially neutralized since nobody wants to stick around

[coarse wharf]

waste has a pretty good demonstration of Engi bunkering in his video assessing Plascrete Catalyst

he completely blocked off the tunnel behind him, so all of his attention can be focused in front of him, granted - he played Haz 6 2x true solo (most people won't touch modded difficulties)

[languid rune]

PC is maybe the one exception you can make here, since it explicitly incentivizes building plats to blow them up, but even then I dunno

[cinder oracle]

how do you reload cancel btw

[languid rune]

usually right-clicking once you "finish reloading" but the animation is still continuing

[coarse wharf]

watch your magazine counter refresh, then use your pickaxe or previous item keybind

[languid rune]

you can also accomplish it by switching weapons

[cinder oracle]

ty, knew about deposit cancelling if that's even what it's called but not reload

[coarse wharf]

yeah, it's deposit canceling or fast deposit

[languid rune]

depo cancelling has always been kind of janky for me and I suspect it's usually because I host

[coarse wharf]

Veteran Depositor works with it too

[cinder oracle]

yeah was gonna say it's clunky but works

[coarse wharf]

nah, it works very well as host

probably input timing

[cinder oracle]

i think you slightly delay it between spams

[languid rune]

I've timed it and I either save a substantial amount of time—about 1.5–2s—or I save no time at all, doing the exact same thing

[coarse wharf]

AxisKronos has a very good video of fast depositing

[languid rune]

might just be my mouse

[coarse wharf]

that can be likely too

[vagrant silo]

EDD is brutal this week

[valid ginkgo]

Weird, I thought it was easy this week.

[vagrant silo]

it's salvage with elite enemies
it barely gets worse than this

low o2 400 morkite is probably the worst

I ran it in a party this week though so it's probably easier for solo

[valid ginkgo]

I don't usually solo. I also ran it with a full party.

[neon snow]

It made me really feel alive

the salvage with elites was hell

If not for the fear on thunderhead and shield spam we would've died

[valid ginkgo]

Maybe it felt easy 'cause 3 of us were grey with 1k+ hours and just one green.

[vagrant silo]

I brought minelayer
ended up with the most kills and revives

I had like 8 but elite grunt guard knocked me back during iron will and we failed since everyone else already burnt theirs

[wraith shard]

If anyone is struggling with the edd this week, I've found a good solution. Engie squad. If one of you has hyper-propellant and/or fat boy, you can wallop the big bugs. Also turret whip using 5 or so turrets is incredible for dispatching hordes during salvage op, black box, and some swarms if you have good positioning. I'm a new-ish player and I beat it with another player my level and someone who was on their first edd.

[twilit marlin]

this elite deep dive is kinda hard

in the salt pits

[twilit marlin]

yeah i'm struggling, doing scout, driller, engie and gunner ain't gonna cut it

the second stage of the deep dive is the problem

[still geode]

is your driller creating a good area to fight in during the uplink/fuel stage?

[twilit marlin]

he does, kinda

[still geode]

personally i dug out everything around where the fuel cells landeda nd just made a big open space

since it landed right under a branch of the cave and i didn't want enemies pouring in from above

[twilit marlin]

do you think not being a scout would help, should i just play another class for this one
Which may result to this team comp
engie, engie, gunner and driller?

[still geode]

doubling up on gunner is probably most effective

you can rotate shields and just have your shield going constantly if needed to prevent getting overrun

[twilit marlin]

right

being a scout on this elite deep dive is not suitable, my firepower is weak for this one

[still geode]

and with two out of the three missions being morkite mining there really aren't that many hard to reach nitra veins tbh

you can just use ziplines to mine everything in the salvage stage too

[twilit marlin]

i notice that too that nitra isn't a problem

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[woeful niche]

it totally is

scout is great for the elites on stage 2

[safe rampart]

When will i be ready for elite deep dive?

[coral pond]

When you're comfortable with haz 4/5

[karmic zenith]

I yolo'd into doing DD then EDD for the first time the same day after promoting all 4 classes once having never played higher than Haz 3 before and without knowing that EDD was haz5+ and there was some struggle but it worked out

So I would say you're ready for EDD whenever you feel like you're not a total nooby dunce at the game anymore in general

[regal heath]

Honestly it depends, scout is the best class to pick priority targets, if u can cooperate with the rest of the team and make them deal with hordes and big chonkers whilst u focus purely and only on lighting and high priority targets (warrens, mactera, menaces, acid spitters, breeders etc.) Basically employ some basic role diffrentiation when fighting bugs

[shell cosmos]

Do you not get random swarms on deep dives? Cause I did my first deep dive ever the other day and did it solo, and I swear I only got swarms that were tied to the objectives. First mission was dozer and 2 eggs, only swarm was when I got the first egg and then the usual ones during drill travel and hearthstone drilling. Didn’t even seem to get any while I was exploring while the dozer was down.

Second mission was mule salvage and a dreadnought, and I only got swarms during the uplink, fuel cells, and extraction.

Third mission was 2 dreadnoughts and 150 morkite, and I got no swarms at all.

[twilit marlin]

hmm i guess

[terse wind]

okay, engi bunkering, i think i get it - but wouldn't an oppressor spawning the other side of a blocked entrance mess it up?

[twilit marlin]

but with amount of grunts chasing me and my team, itgets difficult to deal with them

skill issue perhaps

[terse wind]

I want to say it depends on the first objective? Like that determines the base mission "type".

[shell cosmos]

Gotcha
Do some mission types just not have the random swarms?

[terse wind]

same how you dont need to repair a drop pod if mini mules are 2nd objective

yeah, some missions have swarms triggered by objectives rather than over time

[shell cosmos]

Ahh, interesting

[regal heath]

Try to encourage ur driller/gunner to go big on waveclear

Like sticky fuel/neurotoxin payload

If they have it obviously

[terse wind]

note that those are really good and efficient waveclear but the bugs won't die instantly

[regal heath]

Ye, that too

[twilit marlin]

i did double engie and I'm the extra engie, this time with scout and driller

we had a easier time

[terse wind]

turrets with whip work too but oh god the ammo

[twilit marlin]

tho we still died at second stage because of wrong "bunker" placement

[regal heath]

But the point is to make ur team completely ignore prio targets and keep the meat out of scouts way whilst he deals with them

[regal heath]

Em discharge is stupidly ammo efficient

But personally i hate it

[twilit marlin]

what would I take as a scout for active perks, I'm running faster revive and the speed boost

should i like do see you in hell

[regal heath]

I would swap out speed for iron will

[twilit marlin]

hmmm

[regal heath]

If ur looking to be efficient

[terse wind]

uhhhh... hm. iw? in case of a wipe iw and maxed out field medic can--

nvm, beaten to it

[regal heath]

Iron will resets every stage also

[twilit marlin]

how does iron will actually works, i know getting up but there's this time limit on this temporary state right

[regal heath]

So that's vey good

[terse wind]

10 seconds. But you only fall over again if you don't heal before the end of the duration iirc. So if there's red sugar nearby, you can basically ignore a down of your choice

or a resupplt

[twilit marlin]

oh i see, problem is still the bugs after

[terse wind]

iron will also reloads your guns and you're basically invincible so go ham, make sure to get a teammate up, whatever. iron will is extremely good

[dense pebble]

also, vampirism is a good way to refill health.

its super useful to have

[regal heath]

Ya, but ur completely invulnerable during IW so it can help u revive the whole team basically soolo

[dense pebble]

IW + Field Medic = win

[twilit marlin]

gotcha guys

[dense pebble]

that being said, avoiding going down is obviously the superior option.

[terse wind]

a full team of dwarves with iw+fm is very, very hard to kill if they stick together

[dense pebble]

Things like gunner shield, scout grapple, and dash are good for that.

[wraith shard]

I'm boutta go deep-dive some bitches

[twilit marlin]

hmmm

normally m1 is paired with the dual submachine gun pistols for scout right (can't remember the name)

[dense pebble]

zhukov

[twilit marlin]

yeah, m1 and zhukov

[terse wind]

i run either gas recycling zhukov or bodkin boltshark

[twilit marlin]

you know boltshark is underwhelming to me or I'm not really good at it

[terse wind]

bodkin boltshark doesn't quite have the punch at high haz that it normally does, though

[twilit marlin]

i now think taking the explosive chemical bolt is bad on this elite deep dive

or in any deep dive, pheromones and the taser bolts works better i guess

but i really am not personally a fan of boltshark

but again, skill issue

[karmic zenith]

Someone else already mentioned Vampire but that also does count for keeping you alive from Iron Will too, so you don't even need red sugar nearby just a grunt

[terse wind]

and then there's going all in on vampire with driller

[karmic zenith]

ohgodmuhdrills

[terse wind]

but scout could probably get some mileage out of it with like... cryo nades?

toss one of those, pickaxe some grunts

[regal heath]

I'm honestly a big fan of single target only scouts (with cryo obviously but that's a panic button) and trying to keep his team alive by killing the damage dealers (everything ranged basically) whilst the team need to only shoot normal bugs

[dusk vessel]

boltshark feels really bad in 4p as well

tbh

like you try to set up things only for your teammates to mess it up

[karmic zenith]

I could imagine a cryo driller just attacking things enough to freeze so others can vampire farm HP but then you're cryo driller without sticky flames

[regal heath]

So basically anything with weakpoint dmg or big dps

[terse wind]

i dont like zoom in weapons that much so when called for single target scout i usually use the uh

AISE assault rifle because yeah, crossbow does fall off

[twilit marlin]

you personally, what would you run as a scout in this kinda hard elite deep dive in salt pits

[regal heath]

Probably weakpoint/ammo+weakpoint (also as much accuracy as u can get without loosing other value)based MK2 as I didn't play much m1000 and probably zhukovs if i had the explosive reload, but other than that some phosporus+blowthrough boomstick, maybe special powder or just any OC to get more value? The main point is to keep ur teammates alive and kill high priority targets

Just make them ignore mactera, better, just kill them before they can realize

Lul

Also scan the ceiling for web/acid spitters as much as u can

[twilit marlin]

so as a scout, is it okay not being inside the radius like the uplink and just become a decoy for aggro?

[regal heath]

Those fuckers are the true danger, grunts just eat ammo if u have proper builda

[regal heath]

I guess so? But ur simply safer with the team or elevated close

[twilit marlin]

and just snipe dangerous targets?

[regal heath]

U need to keep urself safe, ye

And light the place up

[twilit marlin]

hmmm i see

fine I'll try doing scout again this time

[regal heath]

U dont need to shoot too much, u can even completely ignore waves and only shoot the prio targets

Also try too keep the team constantly up withedic

Medic

Emm report coming up i guess?

[twilit marlin]

god help me with this elite deep dive once more

[regal heath]

Also last thing, save ur cryos only for very important shit like saving ur own ass or reviving, worst case killing breders or menaces

[thorny gull]

@hidden venture

thanks luv

[woeful niche]

i can carry you if ur down

[twilit marlin]

on a middle of a EDD, thanks tho

[stuck quiver]

Are deep dives solo-able?

[shell cosmos]

I did the current one solo a couple days ago and it wasn’t really bad. Was gunner.

[stuck quiver]

Just prestiged and tried em out.

Seemed really hard.

[shell cosmos]

Minigun and bulldog more than took care of everything.

The O2 mission was tricky but I had never done one before.

When I discovered that resupply pods have oxygen I made good use of it in the second dreadnought fight lol

[shell cosmos]

What class?

[stuck quiver]

I tried it with scout.

I got overrun pretty quickly. I think I just need to get gudder

[shell cosmos]

Gotcha, I could see that being a bit tougher than gunner.

Twin SMGs with hollowpoints might be a good idea since two of the missions have dreadnought fights.

[floral rover]

can you do the elite deep dive with only 2 people?

[woeful niche]

Yes

you can do it with any number of players

[sullen hamlet]

This week's EDD sucks ass

Don't think I've ever done so badly

[river arch]

weird, i finally managed to clear my first EDD with this one

did them in co-op a few times but mostly tried to solo them, finally made it after idk 5 or 6 different EDDs

[formal tree]

can you take doretta down through the deep dive?

[twilit marlin]

by the beard

i have finally finished this week's deep dive

the second stage was the bane of my existence

but jesus christ, the third stage warning "Swarmageddon" is like getting attacked by thousands of them

not as bad as the second stage but still, Swarmageddon third stage is 💀💀💀💀

[coral pond]

Swarmers are only bad if you have no way to deal with them or try to rely on thorns to do so

[low jungle]

A dreadnaught spawned instead of wave on 1st stage of EDD

My first dread wave I've ever encountered

[celest ruin]

its like haz 3 and haz 3.5, not too bad

[low jungle]

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[grim wadi]

for a switch up from dd haz 5 edition, we decided to try dd haz 3.5 x 2.5 max mob diversity, it was a bit of work https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529674786620571658/1108495626330701894/out.mp4

we failed at almost the same spot we did for the haz 5 version, holding out at the fuel container xD

fun challenge, fun way to heal for driller too

om nom icey walking health packs

[wraith shard]

Zone 2 killed me

[sullen hamlet]

Zone 1 killed me and a full team first time

[low jungle]

Gotta do the black box fast

Grab the morkite and nitra and start it up asap

[sullen hamlet]

We did

It was the first thing we did both times

All of us were pretty high level too minus a bronze 3 scout

Got it the 2nd try but the engi disconnected and we failed on the second stage

[low jungle]

damn, engi is quite vital for that stage yeah

Honestly the 2nd stage is the worst, high level salvage is a lot of pain

The room is huge too, so like two billion spitballers and brood nexi guaranteed

[sullen hamlet]

#drg-gallery message

This is how our 2nd (and last) attempt one ended

[grim wadi]

fun times in the jungle gym / ball bit

[low jungle]

Ah yes the quoronar pit ™️

[sullen hamlet]

It's actually some looney toon ass shit

[low jungle]

Ye

[sullen hamlet]

Just kept getting hit and hit

😭

[low jungle]

Shits and giggles when shellback gets inside your uplink bunker

[agile onyx]

first time clearing an edd this week and having an engi partner was so clutch

[sullen hamlet]

God that reminds me

1st stage, instantly black box

All on half/ 1/4 ammo

I had like 1 shield left lol shit was harsh

[rough scaffold]

yes

[indigo remnant]

what was this week's deepdive again?

normal btw

(nvm pinned messages loaded)

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[stuck quiver]

Deep Dives are equivalent of haz3?

[celest ruin]

regular ones yes

elite goes haz 4.5 to 5 to 5.5

[wraith shard]

3, 3.5, 3.5

[void stag]

I tried my first ever deep dive last night solo - got an escort/egg hunt which I scraped through, then a salvage/elimination. Got stomped on the second part of the salvage - couldn't stay on point and stay alive!

need more dwarves next time

[dense sage]

shield disruption is always rough if you aren’t prepared for it, everything chips into your health

[dusty pine]

what's the elite deep dive lookin like

[coral pond]

check the pins

[dusty pine]

ohh thank you

[void stag]

Oh yeah, I forgot that detail. It was rough - I spent the entire mission saying SHITSHITSHIT

[dense sage]

morkite mission trio baiting you into elite hoards during salvage 😱

[void stag]

oh great

The last part of salvage when you have to prep the drop pod is a killer

[dark fulcrum]

this weeks EDD finally got me over the 1k kill mark

i hated every second of it

[little halo]

I spent the entire mission saying SHITSHITSHIT

[zenith ember]

sounds like something went horribly wrong but you somehow passed all the stages

[fossil cipher]

I did the edd earlier, but we got smacked in the second stage 'cause I was the only one who brought iron will for some reason 😦

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[sly kettle]

Soon™

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone

[candid bobcat]

Elite Deep Dive "First Derail" (2023-05-18 to 2023-05-25)
Region: Dense Biozone
Stage 1: Refinery + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 2 Mini-mules + Twins | Mactera Plague
Stage 3: Escort Duty + 150 Morkite | Elite Threat

Deep Dive "Gunner's Fury" (2023-05-18 to 2023-05-25)
Region: Glacial Strata
Stage 1: 4 Eggs + Black Box | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: Escort Duty + 2 Mini-mules | Mactera Plague
Stage 3: 225 Morkite + Black Box

DD Seeds: {"Seed":3397705949,"SeedV2":3741469697,"ExpirationTime":"2023-05-25T11:00:00Z"}

[zenith ember]

argh long long long

[acoustic hedge]

is there going to be enough morkite for the last stage of the EDD?

[candid bobcat]

usually the 150 morkite side objectives have more than enough morkite

[languid rune]

there's always enough morkite, except for that one DD where there wasn't, but they patched that

[candid bobcat]

except for that one EDD where there was a 0.1 difference or something

[acoustic hedge]

Ok, thanks.

[zenith ember]

usually the problem is more of "where is the morkite hiding"

[low jungle]

oh fuck mactera plague and cave leech cluster in DD and mactera plague in EDD

[zenith ember]

mactera on EDD too

[eager flame]

May take a bit of time to update the pinned, just got to work rn and people are already roughing me up first thing in the morning

[low jungle]

Also yeah very fucking long ones

[candid bobcat]

EDD is going to be a marathon

[zenith ember]

would driller on cryo be better than sticky?...

the ecort though....

[dusk vessel]

Not looking forward to elites on final edd stage

[candid bobcat]

it depends on your team really, sticky is fine if your team can help you against macteras

[low jungle]

Yeah I'm grabbing Highthened Senses on DD

[hollow citrus]

they definitely tweaked morkite spawns in general, after that infamous 150 week they made sure most caves overflow with morkite now

[worthy bolt]

ok i have an idea for a challenge on this weeks elite deep dive

all gunners

[candid bobcat]

all gunner is easy because you can cycle shields

[zenith ember]

wait does elites do more dmg against doretta

[hollow citrus]

and did they nerf sabo chance?

[candid bobcat]

sabo has a low chance now, and can only appear in either DD or EDD but not both

[zenith ember]

sabo was changed because of that 2 to 3 week with multiple sabos b2b

[hollow citrus]

huh, didn't see any patch notes for that. but it's a welcome change

[pliant yoke]

Oh, cool, EDD with pro-enemy mutators

[acoustic hedge]

In the middle of an EDD...just discovered I´m on haz 6x2...and it does not stop raining.

5x2*

PC at 37 fps

[eager flame]

I'm back

Time to update

Aaaand, it is updated now

Thanks again to @candid bobcat

[solar mica]

bruh why do i keep getting disconnected???

[eager flame]

Wait

The dc on third is back?

[solar mica]

yeah

[eager flame]

D:

[acoustic hedge]

what is that?

[solar mica]

reconnect aint working too

[eager flame]

Network issue with the servers, people randomly getting disconnected on the third EDD stage

[tulip idol]

Use that knowledge to your advantage: host yourself.

[eager flame]

But it shouldn't be bugged anymore...

[solar mica]

bruh that wasted alot of my time

rip