deep-dive-discussion

[vapid robin]

Yes.

But its not the niche I like.

[woeful niche]

there is also anti synergy in this game

[dense sage]

to similar niche effect too
like freeze stops enemies in their tracks, while sludge (which as mentioned is solid on machine enemies) slows

[woeful niche]

you can fight with a vb gunner for what status gets inflicted

and in most cases, the vb gunner will do more dmg if the thing is on fire

[vapid robin]

Id rather freeze than slow.

because I never trust slows in any game.

[dense sage]

the slows here are pretty slow

[vapid robin]

Do they still attack at the same speed

and this always assume a vb gunner

[woeful niche]

not really

[dense sage]

sludge is also slow + DoT, letting you focus other enemies while the first few die on their own

[vapid robin]

i dont really see a gunner on my team a lot

[woeful niche]

breach cutter does less dmg to frozen targets and all aoe weapons don’t gain much benefit from frozen debuff

[vapid robin]

Ok

I still want my Niche.

[daring sandal]

i'm ashamed to say i never played deep dives before, is it pretty much one mission with multiple primary objectives?

[vapid robin]

Yep ^^

[dense sage]

yesn’t
it’s that, but 3 in a row

[daring sandal]

what happens if u lose at any point?

[dense sage]

(rewards given after each stage, full completion not needed)

[daring sandal]

nice

meanwhile payday 2 = die and get no reward whatsoever

[vapid robin]

You just get pulled back with whatever you got in the last ones

[dense sage]

blank core, then random weapon oc, then random cosmetic oc

[vapid robin]

Yeah lol

But its typically shorter than a crime wave spree anyway ^^

[dense sage]

we can’t stop you from going full tilt cryo driller
but you’d better get darn good at it be the best miner you can be, whatever that means to you

[vapid robin]

Yes

Thank you

I just wanted to know how important the Overclocks for cryo were ._.

[daring sandal]

I feel like after they got rid of the "infinite exp" system for crime spree it's been a ghost town

[dense sage]

mmmm, moderately
snowball good for big aoe freeze, ice spear nice for big ST “screw this guy in particular”
tuned cooler very nice for general freezing power, etc
not core to functioning though
just nice to have for when a certain mission wants you to lean a bit differently

[woeful niche]

i’m the type of player that switches builds every mission

[vapid robin]

It always been a ghost town. Never any real point to it

[daring sandal]

ya i guess

[woeful niche]

like i don’t like collete but if we are heading to a shocker biome i’ll bring it just so the team doesn’t get stunlocked

[vapid robin]

Alright gotcha

[daring sandal]

I have an OC for cryo and it says "shoots an ice ball blast" but I'm not sure how it works. It just shoots like a normal cryo to me

[dense sage]

did you press the reload button

[daring sandal]

o

[dense sage]

some weapons repurpose “reloading” to toggle or trigger something

[daring sandal]

the driller wave cooker i know there's different firing modes when pressing reload but it feels the same to me

i just treat it like an smg

[woeful niche]

freeze power isn’t that useful on cryo

[verbal agate]

Fellow dwarves! I found a way to squish every resource out of lootbugs without killing them!

[dusty cairn]

shoot them with the lithofoamer

[verbal agate]

So it's not new 😄 Ok, thanks for letting me know

[worn hamlet]

shoot them and kill them

ez

[still geode]

feel free to spam resupplies for oxygen in the DD

we had >1000 nitra at one point

[eager flame]

This DD was piss easy

No shortage of nitra, caves wide open, no random mini boss spawns

[still geode]

we had a bet-c but it died so easily

[eager flame]

haz 3

bet-c on haz 3 can be melted by most single target builds

[still geode]

but yeah by the end of it we were literally just messing around with platforms/ziplines/c4 because we had 10 resupply pods sitting around doing nothing

[eager flame]

True

I think my team had 7 resupplys at the end of the last mission

available

[still geode]

i've also heard that stage1 is tight in regards to morkite, we had absolutely zero issue though with dark morkite being our drink of choice

[silk furnace]

this new deep dive feels hard to me

ppl always after the first dive out of ammo

[hybrid niche]

regular deep dive was pretty fun maybe too much nitra though

[wraith shard]

alguma casada no grupo?

[dense sage]

Que 🇺🇸

[dense sage]

Did you
Send that to the right server

[wraith shard]

yes and no

depends on whos reading it XD

just trying to find a brazilian person here

[random rampart]

what do you exactly mean by "casada"?

[wraith shard]

its just a brazilian joke

[random rampart]

also, pretty sure this is wrong channel, but i cant judge well without knowing your motives

[wraith shard]

Im not up to harassing women

[random rampart]

so just regular person?

youre looking for ppl to play drg with?

[wraith shard]

if you cant understand anything thats written here, then that means the message isnt for you

[random rampart]

i speak portuguese. i understand what is there

[wraith shard]

just wanted to find a few brazilians to play with

BR ou portugal?

[random rampart]

youll have way better luck in the brazillian server, although there are brazillian ppl here too lol

[wraith shard]

yep

[random rampart]

roles answer that lol

[wraith shard]

wanna find the few ones here

[random rampart]

btw, lets move out of here if its not about deep dives

[wraith shard]

entao talvez seja por isso que vc nao entendeu

vc é brasileiro (a) ent?

eu vi pt-br nos roles

😄

[random rampart]

no, i forgot im the single eu-pt translator with the port-translator role. also, #deep-dive-discussion message

[wraith shard]

aw ok 😦

[stone yacht]

Elite Deep Dive was fun. Was trying a new scout build and it was very successful. But oof my team...

I was going for a no death run, even made it through stage 2 shield disruption without dying & I was successful until the last level when they all died to a swarm....

I rezed them about 6 times during that swarm but they kept downing

And all of them popped and wasted iron will prematurely. So welp swarms kept growing. I was fine until I went to resupply and an exploderer blew up on me when I was zipping away so my body flew and died far from the resupply pod so couldn't iron will rez myself...

Gotta love EDD with randoms 😍

Felt like such a brain dead team.... Think someone had 30 deaths.

[autumn egret]

The second level of that EDD was terrifying and I don't know how my group and I made it out of it alive.

[alpine smelt]

EDD2 mainly tests you cohesion.

For example, I went in with just 1 other person.

This drastically reduces the amount of spawns

Each ammo pod is a full ammo restore for 2 people.

2 people are easier to coordinate than 4.

My pal will ALWYAS rally to me during a swarm or I'll rally to him.

And as a result? No one even went down once.

So EDD2 this week mainly tests how well you work together. You could even be fairly average at the game as long as you stay together and follow the orders of a more experienced player.

[still geode]

this honestly applies to DRG as a whole

keeping your team together, having at least one person fill their role effectively (like a driller killing the majority of the swarm or a gunner shooting down all the dangerous enemies), and having an experienced player be in charge of decisionmaking like when to push into a new room or when to start events is enough to get you through a lot of tough scenarios, even if the rest of the team is lacking in experience

[short haven]

Thankfully this edd isnt too difficult, whew

only really third stage is with all the rough terrain

honestly I'd say its very doable solo for me

maybe go in with a rocky mountain for 1 hit terrain for pipelines and play someone other than driller

or better yet just play driller

[grim wadi]

i tried to make more room for us in the 3rd stage, just now realized i should have used c4 to make more room much faster lol

[short haven]

driller would actually be very good for this edd since aside from the dread he's almost perfect for dealing with everything else

Makes me wonder how difficult it'd be to handle twins solo though

if you dont use sludge pump

[grim wadi]

yeah for dread im either gooping him and watching, or occasionally ice spiking him...... while watching

[short haven]

I'm a crspr kinda man

so uh

yeah

[grim wadi]

im trying to warm up to crspr, sticky fuel was literally the last weapon OC i unlocked out of all of them
edit: pun intended

[short haven]

maybe stick around the minehead and let it do some of the work

and bosco ig

yeah sticky fuel is the main reason i've been using crspr so much

11 second sticky flames mmm

[grim wadi]

clip runs out so fast, i need to have a different mindset for its use

[short haven]

fuck it I might just go ahead and try it solo as driller lmao

never done an edd solo before iirc

and if I have it was only ever as gunner

[short haven]

So far stage 1 and 2 have been relatively easy

havent gone down once yet

jfc stage 3 though

i havent had a moment to breathe since I spawned in, there's been like 3 menaces

[severe tusk]

The challenge of stage 3 is just the starting chamber. Fight in the other big chamber with the pump that is farthest away, that one is a nice wide open and fairly level place to kill bugs in. The other chamber is a death trap, although you can terraform it a bit to help out.

[short haven]

yeah thats what I've been doing, its been working so far now that I have things sorta worked out

[wheat gull]

I'm also tempted to try solo EDD, first time, as driller, despite being a gunner main.

[coral pond]

edd stage 1 was by far the worst imo. wave spawned in the middle of us fighting the twins and the map is not ideal for the twins fight at all

[short haven]

I have no idea what you're talking about, stage 1 map is super open and easy

even as crspr driller I had no issues

[coral pond]

it did not feel open at all

[short haven]

Well I think that's a you problem honestly, there's 2 good very open spots, one of them is where the minehead is

[coral pond]

that was where we fought it, and it really didn't feel that open

[short haven]

well then I dunno what to tell ya, that's about as open as open can get

Anyways

I successully did it

I had plenty of nitra to spare by the end, and I even grapped resups when they werent 100% necessary in terms of ammo

so what I did was open up the roof with some satchel charges along some pipelines so I could really schmoove

and once I had done that it worked pretty well

I ended up putting pipeline 1 on the ramp pointing towards the pumpjack next to where to spawn since I had no engie and it actually worked pretty well

not overly in the way or anything

By the end of the mission I had about 702 gold collected so if some peeps decide to do this, pots o gold might be a justified beer to bring

[short haven]

If you do, I recommend using Red Rock Blaster, I used crspr with 11321 for mods and sticky fuel oc, and the subata with 12111 and homebrew powder oc, 2113 for satchels so you get 2 from each resup, and I used 1111 drills

you dont have to use all that but that's what I ended up using and it worked very well, I only went down once

and it was on stage 3

as long as you're careful and use RRB beer then should be ez pz

oh yeah and I use Deep Pockets, Thorns, Vampire, Dash and Iron Will for perks

Iron Will and Vampire is just for security in the case that I end up going down and no revives left on bosco

speaking of bosco, I use 31323, but something like 11133 could be better, or 21233 if you want the extra revives

[hybrid grail]

big words

[short haven]

to be completely honest I'd go for 1 in tier 3 just for extra visibility

[hybrid grail]

ive entered the wrong chat

i will escape in absolute terror

[short haven]

I've just discovered that despite literally just doing the edd as driller, I havent gotten credit for it in my stats screen

does it only update once the weekly dds reset?

or does it just take a while

[placid musk]

my best attempt wiped at the refinery

we had 2 praet waves back to back 💀

absolute insanity

[wheat gull]

Doing EDD3 atm, our biggest issue this dive seems to be friendly fire :S

[topaz zephyr]

edd hard this week?

[placid musk]

decent

exploder infestation while aquarqs is a pain in the ass

and cave gen of edd3 is also a pain in the ass

otherwise simple

[topaz zephyr]

rip

just like last edd3 cave gen

big ol' rip entry

[placid musk]

shield disrupt isn't an issue as long as you stick together

[placid musk]

yep

[wheat gull]

EDD2 will probably be the most challenging mechanically (shield disruption, volatile guts, exploders; easy to go boom)
EDD3 will probably be the most challenging for coordination (cave layout is... suboptimal)

[placid musk]

ice + ntp just obliterates stages 1 and 2

[short haven]

stage 2 is very easy so long as you're just really careful, there's a nexus and spitballer in the big room so those should be taken out first

the black box is in a bit of an unfortunate position but you could just c4 the roof once or twice and visibility goes way up

don't do what my driller did on the first run and dig the black box into a hole of a bunker

that just makes things worse

[placid musk]

the bugs only spawned on one side of the tunnel on my second try and i just stood like a lemon guarding the other side while the rest of my team mag-dumped down the hole

[short haven]

what does it mean to stand like a lemon

[placid musk]

doing nothing

i was scout

[short haven]

I've just never heard that kind of metaphor before lmao

[placid musk]

i kept anticipating a humungous swarm to spawn in my face and all i got was an acid spitter and 5 grunts

[placid musk]

british metaphor

[short haven]

makes sense why i've never heard it before

from canada

[placid musk]

britian is a weird place

[halcyon phoenix]

is there a looking for group but like for deep dives?

[placid musk]

just say lfg EDD in the desc

[halcyon phoenix]

ahh thanks!

[topaz zephyr]

yeap

that was a tough one

[alpine smelt]

EDD is pretty average this week.

EDD3 can get dicey if you don't have a way to connect the pipes in a timely manner. You could get more swarms than you're happy with.

I got hit with a grunt swarm, and it was slasher/grunt guard city.

The worst part is that since I was on stream, I was too busy talking and not paying attention to Mission Control, so I assumed it was a basic attack wave and didn't make the appropriate preparations.

[placid musk]

I got hit by 2 praet waves in a row man

that was harsh

[alpine smelt]

I never respected the radioative praetorians until that on-site refinement EDD some weeks ago.

I got hit by a Praetorian Wave, and they do not play games with their radioactive attack.

I think the worst thing about EDD3, the main villain, is the terrain.

They deployed the damn refinery on a LEDGE half on and half off.

And the whole cave is like a series of pits and pillars.

I had to build my own swarm arena out of plascrete platforms.

And without a driller, or rocky mountain, my pal (gunner) had to manually carve through the rocks to connect the pipes.

We probably suffered an addition 2-3 swarm waves due to the delays.

After we survived the grunt swarm, I went into like no commentary gamer mode.

It was like nothing but tactical callouts.

But it shows the lesson that errors come with comfort.

You can be too new at a game and make silly mistakes, but you can also be too comfortable with the game and make silly mistakes.

One of the notable elements of this week's dives is that there is de-emphasis on boss fights.

[topaz zephyr]

yeah we just bunkered the egg swarm

[alpine smelt]

Only EDD1 contains a boss.

[topaz zephyr]

and ran around for the repairs

[alpine smelt]

I've never tried bunkering.

My audience seems to be opposed to it, and I play to entertain them, so I just have to tough it out.

It does rapidly make you play better though! I will say that.

Sometimes I wish I could replay Deep Dives but like skipping to the exact mission and not having to go in order.

After the mission, I was talking with my pal about how we blew it by not paying attention to Mission Control.

And how some of the Elite Deep Dive missions would be great for drilling on.

Like last week's EDD3 would have been amazing for stress testing new builds in a real mission.

But it sucks that you'd have to do EDD1 and EDD2 to get there.

I'm not happy with a theoretical build until it clears an EDD, but I also don't want to jeopardize my real EDD run by trying out experimental builds.

[topaz zephyr]

I remember either the first or second EDD ever being the absolute worst mission I've ever played in my life.

I cannot remember a single worse than that.

Wish we'd see harder ones again tho

[alpine smelt]

I remember getting wasted in in a Hollow Boughs EDD. I wish I could go back and play it again.

You know what'd be an interesting thing?

Something like "Horrors of Hoxxes IV" like intentionally awful Deep Dive for no reward just pain.

[topaz zephyr]

Lmao

No matrix reward

"We're just seeing if you'll make it.

[alpine smelt]

Yeah, it'd just be there for the purpose of violence.

And obviously trying out new builds to see how they perform. Find weaknesses in the kit etc.

[tacit jungle]

what are you talking about, EDD already has no reward

[woeful niche]

you can find a weakness in a kit just by using it against different enemies imo

if you want to stress test something, trying to carry new players through a haz 5 is the worst it gets most the time for me

but honestly that usually isn’t even needed

[alpine smelt]

That doesn't work for me because, since I'm a content creator, I don't need to play with randoms.

So playing with randoms doesn't simulate my experience well.

Since I will never play with randoms in the actual game.

[woeful niche]

if ur playing with ppl who are confident with haz 5, build doesn’t matter most the time imo

that’s the main reason i brought up randoms

[topaz zephyr]

I think mine was something in Sandblasted Corridors, had a Black Box on a little staircase, and had mactera plague

[woeful niche]

if i play with friends we bulldoze haz 5s

[topaz zephyr]

goddamn I hated that dd

[alpine smelt]

Not all of them are Haz5 ready. Some of them are still training in Haz4 and Haz3. More likely they don't have any... ambition to become any better than Haz4 or so.

Sometimes I will go solo into Haz5 with double warnings with a build I'm not confident in on stream and let people take bets on whether I can win.

[woeful niche]

my favorite edds are the early escort ones where doretta did 360 no scopes after grazing a wall

[topaz zephyr]

Lmao

Or if that hellish dd ever gets implemented

straight up

that'd be something to see

But I was actually wondering if the devs would've considered implementing some sort of roguelike, since they already have the base with the dds on the 'string of missions.'

[alpine smelt]

I agree that co-operation tends to overcome most things. The thing is that the Deep Dives sometimes have very specific mission situations that are pretty interesting, and it'd be nice to be able to replay those specific missions at least while the Dive hasn't rotated.

[woeful niche]

i think a new game mode wud be sick if they ever get around to it

[topaz zephyr]

Prolly would jeopardize the sit down and game for an hour or two feel of this game tho

But alas

would be cool

[brave thorn]

low o2

[pure pond]

anyone waqnna hop in m6y game

need one more

we gonna edd

[woeful niche]

imo most edds tend to be easier then haz 5. I really don’t even feel the haz 5.5 difference

[pure pond]

ez mode no sweat epic poggers

[brave thorn]

shield disruption on elite hell naw i aint doing that shit

[topaz zephyr]

it's not that bad

second map is pretty nice

[woeful niche]

worse then that, it’s volatile guts too

those 2 combine is what i mean. U can very easily get constantly chip dmg from guts

[brave thorn]

nah shield disruption is the worst

[alpine smelt]

I don't think that's the difference maker. It's more about the consistency of the map. Once the map is locked in, that's it for 7 days where as a random H5 mission is going to expire once the missions refresh in a few minutes.

Like last week's EDD3 was an interesting mission.

And you could play it for 7 days.

[topaz zephyr]

lmao

funnily enough

[alpine smelt]

Where as that same experience as an H5 normal mission would disappear.

[topaz zephyr]

not even in top 10 my worst drops

[woeful niche]

i do wish there was a way to do seeded missions in this game, but i think that’s more along the lines of adding a new game mode. Like maybe a custom games thing. Anyways off topic

[topaz zephyr]

^

Would be epic

[alpine smelt]

Like if you wanted to try and recreate last week's EDD3, you could try to do a H5 Point Extraction with Rival Presence, but it'd still be different.

[brave thorn]

well there is a way to do seeded, axis(? is that his name?) did seeded runs to get stats on the gold/no gold thing

[topaz zephyr]

After seeing a 16-man lobby, I'd actually believe it to be possible somehow.

[vagrant acorn]

It also had bulk in spawn pool

[candid bobcat]

there is a way to do seeded missions: you can use Mission Selector mod, although it is a sandbox mod

[candid bobcat]

old EDDs can always be rerun in sandbox so as long as you have the old EDD seed

[alpine smelt]

I am not familiar with doing stuff with seeds in DRG, but it's probably like 7 Days to Die or Minecraft. I'll have to take a look at it and make a bank of some of them. Good idea.

[candid bobcat]

for example, last week's EDD seed is {"Seed":4239698200,"SeedV2":1960317040,"ExpirationTime":"2023-04-27T11:00:00Z"} , you can simply enter SeedV2 into Mission Selector and it will give you last week's EDD

[coral pond]

honestly the most dangerous part about them is how their breath attack is swapped out for that radioactive aoe. So while you'd normally have a safe spot directly behind them to delete praets, you really don't with those guys. And it can catch you off guard every once in a while

[alpine smelt]

I didn't respect the size of their radiation roar. It was WAY wider than I imagined it'd be.

[coral pond]

tbh it's pretty boring, i've done it a few times and it's just snooze. Really only useful for that guaranteed swarm clear

[alpine smelt]

SeedV2? I'll going to try that tonight.

[coral pond]

yeah that radiation radius is bigger than expected a lot of times

[candid bobcat]

as in 1960317040

[alpine smelt]

Where did you go to find the mission's seed code?

[candid bobcat]

you can always visit https://drg.ghostship.dk/events/deepdive, GSG's API endpoint for Deep Dive seeds, this will refresh every week whenever the dives reset. Since I'm also doing Dive Info, I have a repository of the historical DD info and seeds

[alpine smelt]

So this URL always show's the current DD?

[candid bobcat]

correct, unless GSG's server crashes

[alpine smelt]

I notice the end of the URL says deepdive. Do you have to type in elitedeepdive at the end to get the Elite variant?

[candid bobcat]

The number in Seed is the DD's seed, and the number in SeedV2 is the EDD's seed

no, they are bundled together in the same JSON object

[alpine smelt]

I see it now.

[topaz zephyr]

I used to bunker alot before they added Bulks and Oppressors, but now I only ever do it if someone drills a bunker, which is what happened in this case.

I do admit it is a cheap way to bypass swarms and shitty uplink/cells/bb locations but it still valid in completing a dd.

Most tech I ever do as a driller is make uplink zones larger, i.e., the basics.

[coral pond]

question; can you only access mission seeds with mods? like non-dives?

[alpine smelt]

I play a few games with strategies people consider cheap. I've always taken the perspective that... "It's the developers job to counteract 'cheap' strategies that come from emergent gameplay rather than player's job to self-police themselves."

[topaz zephyr]

Same, which is why again, they added both the Bulk and Oppressor variants.

[candid bobcat]

no, you can get the regular seeds by looking bottom left in mission in ESC screen, there is a triplet of numbers

[coral pond]

oh word? bet

[woeful niche]

iv done this edd 3 times and it’s always been on the high part of the cave

very weird

show me a vid of it if u ever record it

i’ll look it up

[candid bobcat]

it is possible for objectives and cave gen to change between a few positions even on the same mission seed unfortunately, have seen this happen when trying to run the same 8 Egg Rival Presence mission multiple times, turret controller location changes, nitra location changes, secondary objective location changes

[woeful niche]

ik that certain things can change but i was completely unaware that the entire refinery was one of those things. Like cud the same thing theoretically happen to the minehead?

[sinful steppe]

This week deep dive is fun

no bulks no wierd stuff

(exept that 1 wierd bet-c placement on mission 2, regular dd)

[gloomy frost]

Molly ate my energy bar :[

[wraith shard]

elite deep dive is cancerous. might just be bad at the game lol but the biomes nitra is non existent

[sinful steppe]

thank yuo

[wraith shard]

got a bet-c on my third and final drop- nearly ended my run istg. solo deep dive is painful lmao

[tardy radish]

our team had 200+ nitra by the third mission

granted it was still REALLY difficult but we had quite a lot of resupps

[wraith shard]

yeah we scratched our way past the first one, started the second one with no nitra 🤯 no ammo 🤯 and no health 🤯 lasted all of 4 minutes

[tardy radish]

oh no 😭

yea the first one has lots of nitra

[fluid aurora]

second one had 2 brood nexuses and a breeder

that + shield disruption

death ,

[wraith shard]

trynna be like u mahboi, resupps??? lmfao

[tardy radish]

it was the volatile guts that pissed me off

[fluid aurora]

volatile guts was absolutely not helping

deep dive algorithm rolls worst warning/anomaly combination, asked to leave space rig 17

(granted i did it like first try with a full team but it was still death)

[tardy radish]

during my 3 attempts at least 3 people went down bc they killed a grunt that was rapidly approaching them

[fluid aurora]

haaate volatile guts

fun 40% of the time pain 65% of the time

[wraith shard]

I gotta give it another go, it was my first ever elite deep dive so that being said we didn’t do too bad. just gotta do better I ‘spose

[fluid aurora]

stage 2 made me so thankful ziplines exist

even as the resident engi it was fucking awful to get around

[wraith shard]

mactera in the reg deep dive bullied me. trynna get dorettas head back while being swarmed isn’t fun. evac pod spawn was aids

[wraith shard]

engis putting in the work- it’s normal that we get the most kills right?

[fluid aurora]

i spawn in i see glyphid spawn i'm already on the verge of alt f4ing, then i go down into that hellhole and find a breeder and another nexus

[tardy radish]

this regular deep dive had my team fooling around for like an hour
we had 9 resupplies by stage 3 so we bullied our engi into plugging up the massive drop pod hole

[fluid aurora]

i was very fortunate to be carrying cryo nades with me for that reg deep dive run

regular deep dive was so nitra rich for 0 reason

[wraith shard]

ong

[fluid aurora]

we had about 8 resupplies worth of nitra and we burnt it all for funsies
(then an exploder sniped all 4 of us and i had to iron will to clutch the fuck up)

i think edd stage 2 isn't that bad, you just gotta play more methodical and have a more thought out plan beyond waltz in and shoot whatever threatens your life
our team got through it in the end but not without a bunch of downs

(actually on second thought i lied it's exactly that bad, so you have to do that AND play the best drg of your life)

[tardy radish]

i grappled into a small hole crevice leading into the large cave and got grabbed by a cave leech once

[fluid aurora]

surprisingly i don't think i had any Leech Moments TM in both deep dives

might have had one in stage 2 regular dd? not sure

[wraith shard]

I had my share, one during the Bet-C fight 😞

[fluid aurora]

betc???

there was a betc in regular? i don't think i saw one in edd so i assume it's in regular

i think my brain might be rotting from all this em refire gameplay

[wraith shard]

yeah I’m talking reg apologies for the confusion. I dont have enough wrinkles to complete an edd yet

[fluid aurora]

i dont remember anything from dd apart from the main objectives and it being nitra rich even though i did it 2 days prior

who needs brain wrinkles when brech cutr :)

[wraith shard]

only just got the cutter today

I did a hazard 3 earlier thinking it was gonna be a breeze yk how it goes

[fluid aurora]

cutter is very very very fun

[sinful steppe]

I fear neco arc coming from celling

[wraith shard]

by the end of it I had 535 kills. what type of haz 3 has the AUDACITY to have that many bugs

[fluid aurora]

haz 3 point extraction mission (minute 2)
look inside
2 simultaneous bulk detonator spawns

[wraith shard]

lovely, but if you’re in an open space taking them down is more than possible

just run for your life

[fluid aurora]

oh i took care of it just fine
just like. brother it's haz 3 why's the game doing this to me

[wraith shard]

no clue, haz 3 trynna be a 4 for no reason

[sinful steppe]

Bulk is fun to deal with now

[fluid aurora]

bulks r boring until they die
then it's really really funny to see who gets sniped by a cluster

[sinful steppe]

la bomba

[odd pike]

Is it just me or bet-c in the regular deep dive just get melted by the drill ?

Mine just got one shot by doretta

[alpine smelt]

Mine appeared off to the side, too far for the drill to ram.

[ember trellis]

Why is regular deep dive scout solo so stressful

[odd pike]

Idk

[alpine smelt]

Probably because Scout isn't ideal for defensive objectives.

[ember trellis]

Just had to do dozer with two mini mules and mactera plague

[odd pike]

It was my first one and I did with gunner

Yeah mactera plague is the worst

Idk why it's so hard

Not just in deep dive I just get melted by this thing for no reason

[alpine smelt]

Driller with the Cryocannon would probably do well solo.

[ember trellis]

Atleast i get good stage 3

Its 3 mini mules with 2 eggs with speed (rich atmos)

[alpine smelt]

If you're going to do DD solo as the scout, the Cryogrenades will kill macteras instantly since frozen macteras shatter as soon as they hit the g round.

That said, I don't think speed is of the essence in the DD unless you're trying to speed run.

[ember trellis]

The stun boomerangs work quite well when you have a massive swarm of mixed enemies

Also what is the difference between EDD and DD?

Is it pretty much haz difference or more effects like low o2?

[zenith ember]

haz difference and max number of warnings iirc (correct me if im wrong):
DD hazard - 3/3.5/3.5, max 1 Warning per stage
EDD hazard - 4.5/5/5.5, max 2 Warnings per stage

[round mountain]

So I was watching someone else play the new EDD, and noticed that they somehow got a different layout than me, on stage 3? How exactly can this happen.

Or maybe the real question is, why did I get a different layout compared to everyone else

Dont think I ever had that happen before

[slim furnace]

ps and steam version have different cave gen so maybe thats why

[round mountain]

Im on PC, other video is too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oizFzrQc0Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVEItPBoqvY

You can see at the start of stage 3, it seems we both have different layouts?

Maybe im imagining, but someone pointed it out at least, and I can kinda see it.

[zenith ember]

I got the USeppin's layout, Steam PC

[hallow oriole]

what is deep dive this week like?

[rose yacht]

pain.

on stage 3 it gets easier.

since rich environment.

[still geode]

regular deep dive was very easy this week imo, massive excess of nitra and easy to navigate caves

takes a bit of time due to escort and a full uplink but as long as you account for the mactera plague it shouldn't be a big problem

[zenith ember]

There might be a BET-C on stage 2, i didnt get it for my first run but got it on the 2nd

[alpine carbon]

the betc was right in the path of the drill, almost caused a wipe

[zenith ember]

ye

[rose yacht]

hmmm idk

i just lead sprayed bet c

easiest slay i had. didnt even last 20s.

👀

[olive tulip]

If a non-host player dcs during loading of next stage , is it stuck there for everyone until they reconnect?

[rose yacht]

nope

anything non host related get booted.

if u have internet issues

🤣

[olive tulip]

I'm not the one who failed to load but still stuck at the load screen

Ok nvm, that took forever

[vale knot]

"low risk" EDD, failed on the first stage cuz funny exploders

management do be trollin us

[tawny pier]

I finished EDD as a solo scout with m1000 on supecooling chamber overclock I regreted every damn second of it

[vale knot]

which edd tho

[tawny pier]

low risk

[queen rampart]

Yeah. It every low on ammo

[soft prairie]

For some reason I'm unable to go into deep dives, there's an error message and the deep dive timer is like -1 million

[vale knot]

management has banned you for mining gold

[soft prairie]

@vale knot I just did a mission solo and it somehow fixed it lmao

[vale knot]

the other dwarves cursed you

[grim wadi]

yeahhhhhhhhh, no doubt

[topaz zephyr]

That's really odd

[rose pond]

Ive never done a deep dive and i want to tonight solo, i figure lowest difficulty but is scout or driller better?

[rancid willow]

Hi my friend just got promoted and we wanna do deep dives together is that possible??

[visual vapor]

yes

[placid musk]

omg

i finally beat edd

with a bunch of player level <120s

and the engi nuked me on accident during a double wave

bunkers are op if there's no bulk

all i gotta say

and the least downs in the party 🙂

[iron wren]

"low risk" 💀

[arctic plover]

It’s pretty easy from what I’ve heard comparatively to other edds

[rose yacht]

the game detects bunkers.

it will spawn a bulk

like every time.

[fast stratus]

That's simply not the case

[ocean thorn]

whats this weeks elite?

[placid musk]

stage 1 is a PE with exploder infestation with a twin fight. simple and easy.

stage 2 is egg collection with a very conveniently placed black box; the large room has all the danger in it. shield disrupt + exploding bugs can kill fast so bring ice drill!

stage 3 is a refinery mission with pretty bad terrain + 2 eggs. the lack of bulk spawns allows you to bunker cheese; however it's filled with special waves(2 praet waves back to back hurts)

in conclusion? totally doable with teamwork. I beat it on a team with an avg hour count of 130.

[coral pond]

non-static spawns can differ between runs. My run didn't have any praet swarms

cryo isn't necessary for stage 2, just good positioning and awareness. Would recommend things like sticky fuel, vir, minelayer, hellfire, etc... things that get bugs off you. But cryo very good too

[placid musk]

this was my first try 😦

the winning run gave me a grunt, swarmer, and mactera swarm

which was really not that bad

first try we got stuck in the pit with a dozen praets

[sweet cradle]

Almost failed with my friends in the regular deep dive today because the last mission gave us a swarm with a lot of shellback younglings cornering most of us in a pit

I felt like I was getting run over on the damn highway

[tawny pier]

I got a hiveguard spawn in the middle of the third edd Didnt even know it was possible

[uneven lichen]

My team actually got twins to spawn

[silver reef]

Can I have som help on an EDD? I’m still pretty low level and I need OCs and xp

Nvm I got in a lobby

[wraith shard]

k4

[tacit jungle]

well, that was a relaxing EDD

[round cedar]

Do the rewards at the end of the promotion quest get better if you play the whole thing at H5?

or is it random, you could play H1 and still get the same amount of RNG

[old widget]

Assignment rewards aren’t affected by hazard level. Though obviously you get more rewards from the individual missions themselves.

[wild crater]

That refinery placement is brutal

[grim wadi]

DD haz 5 edition was pretty fun, i accidentally left the doretta 50% damage resistance and 50% rock health mods on so the stage 2 escort wasnt as hopeless as i thought it'd be with the mactera plague, we closed up the final room in stage 3 with a lot of platforms then a bulk came for us during the last countdown, almost fucked the mission riiiiiiiiiight at the end of the entire DD XD

[coarse wharf]

Might be just trolling, but to make it crystal clear to anyone who doesn't know any better:
The game does not spawn anything due to player actions such as digging a bunker, swarms only trigger when popping eggs or getting close to a Mini MULE

[lost mortar]

There are mini swarms to keep the player moving.

[coarse wharf]

ye

[lean mantle]

Love how this week's edd is called "low risk" and there's a shield disruption mission right in the middle of it lmao

Haven't made it to stage 3 just yet but hopefully it ain't as bad as stage 2

Also, why does it always feel like stage 2s are more difficult than stage 3s

[analog fossil]

3rd stage this week was so scuffed I drilled my team a pipe highway, with all three next to each other before forking off toward the pumps

[split plover]

3rd stage was super easy

We did a jungle jim with engi platforms and did a epic pipe system

[void stump]

The difficulty of this week’s Edd doesn’t come from the warnings and mission types, it is from the damn cave gen

The 3rd one especially

[placid musk]

yep

i did figure out where to drill to the other 2 wells

[tacit jungle]

I don't get it, it's just a matter of drilling, right? We had to do a bit of pipe bending because the driller tunnel opening was high up on the wall for one of the pump jacks

[placid musk]

so that made it much easier

straight into the swarmer tunnels by the pumpjack btw

[tall meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/1102087121675751494/20230429211846_1.jpg?width=1032&height=581

Straightforward EDD with randoms

[coarse wharf]

bullshit ass game sometimes

getting fucked by exploders and all sorts of random bullshit

and then scout could have fucked off to the escape pod and finish the EDD

and he tried to save me (even after I told him to just save the mission) and got fucked by an exploder

what a waste of 40+ minutes

zzzz

[placid musk]

fffs

[dawn oxide]

This week was easy. The first stage of regular DD with low oxygen was a pain in the ass.

[dawn oxide]

He did well. Leave no dwarf behind.

[placid musk]

that was the hardest part of the entire dive XD

after that is just freaking ez

ice drill completely screws mactera plague

and it's haz3.5 so not really that terrifying

[dawn oxide]

Even EDD wasn't very sweaty. A nice change of pace from the recent ones.

[placid musk]

and the mules were very simple and chill

[placid musk]

it's named low risk for a reason

[dawn oxide]

Yeah.

[placid musk]

my relatively green group beat it quite successfully with teamwork

[dawn oxide]

Throwing us a bone before season 4 brings out Haz 6 I'm sure.

[placid musk]

although we had like 6 downs in the one large egg room because of fall damage XD

[placid musk]

hope to god they don't make dds harder

[dawn oxide]

I hope they do. It's the endgame content after all.

I need the adrenalin.

[coarse wharf]

I hope I am not being snarky, but "Waste no one's time" would be a much better mantra

doesn't feel great to have 40+ minutes of everyone's time wasted

[void stump]

Make a new dive sitting between dd and edd, and the difficulties would lock at 3.5, 4 and 4.5 to fill in the gap

[thick solar]

discussion

[fluid aurora]

agreement

[coral pond]

This is why me and my friends have an unwritten rule to just dip out if shit gets bad when the droppod has been called. And we don't rerun dives if we fail at stage 3

[short haven]

yeahh the whole leave no dwarf behind thing kind of needs to be discarded on edds, there's no point in risking the entire mission to save the rest of your team, literally

there's no survival bonus so there is zero practical reason to try and save your team

It's only worth doing maybe if you have one person in the drop pod still while the other goes to save the other 2

[coarse wharf]

yeah, I still like to re-run dives for the drip

[still geode]

leave no dwarf behind is primarily a roleplay thing that feels good to accomplish

[formal sapphire]

What do elite deep dives give?

[short haven]

cores

[formal sapphire]

ok

[short haven]

first stage is an empty one, second is weapon oc, third is cosmetic core

[still geode]

the actual rewards for doing so are minimal in normal missions, and in DD/EDD you're often just wasting ammo on top of risking mission failure by trying to get everyone in the pod

[short haven]

so really you only need to do the first 2

[formal sapphire]

ok

[short haven]

but should still try for all 3 if you're playing with others

[short haven]

also yeah, in normal missions the survival bonus is usually around 300-400 credits per person from what I can tell

[still geode]

its worth noting that there are far more cosmetic cores than weapon overclocks, so you should at least try for all 3

[short haven]

so its not really worth it

[still geode]

yeah its like 300-400 after haz bonus

[coarse wharf]

@marble mango you will need to add me, can't add ya

[still geode]

an extra 900 credits from 4 ppl surviving vs 1 is nice, but if 0 ppl survive you lose like 8000 credits sooooooo

[short haven]

well the reason I say you only need the first 2 is cause if you don't care about cosmetic cores and you're not playing with others, then its not super necessary to finish the last stage

[marble mango]

got it

[still geode]

the cosmetic does contribute to forge levels however

[short haven]

I mean i guess but only if you forge them

it's not super necessary

[marble mango]

requested on steam + discord

[placid musk]

they should make the core order cosmetic-blank-weapon

so ppl don't just do 2 stages and call it a day if they fail

[still geode]

this is imo the best order

[short haven]

I don't think forcing people to play all 3 stages to get a weapon oc is the best idea

its fine as is

[still geode]

it provides the most accessibility to players, where they first get a core that can let them pick what they want from it to some degree, then a random overclock that most people want, and then as a bonus you get the cosmetic

[placid musk]

there should also be a completion bonus, with rewards from completing individual stages being cut and added to completion rewards

[short haven]

if anything just swap stage 1 and 3

get a blank core on the last stage

[placid musk]

there's an incentive to actually beat the entire dive

[short haven]

I do think there should be an actual completion bonus though, yeah

maybe extra xp for finishing it as opposed to just doing stage 1 and 2

or something

idk

[still geode]

there is an actual bonus though, you get the cosmetic core

[placid musk]

i'd say more creds and also xp

[short haven]

aside from the cosmetic core

[placid musk]

maybe another core

[short haven]

maybe a bonus blank core if you do all 3 stages on your first run

[still geode]

even if you don't care about the cosmetic itself it gets you progress towards forge levels

[placid musk]

or some weekly missions giving you an extra core in dds

like mining this amount of gold

[still geode]

this will result in toxicity towards less experienced players

[placid musk]

killing this amount of enemies

doing the dive in this amount of time

[still geode]

people will get mad at their teammates and blame them for throwing the EDD and ruining their chance of getting an extra core

[short haven]

to be fair if there's players that are experienced enough to get mad about that then they probably have all the weapon ocs at that point

I'm not even that experienced but I have every weapon oc

guess it depends on your definition of experienced

cause I've got like 550 hours total on steam

maybe about 400 of that is spent in missions tho

[placid musk]

or they could add leaderboards

give a badge to ppl who beat the dive the quickest

[short haven]

Also

[placid musk]

next to pfp

[short haven]

Another thing on the extra blank core for completing whole dd/edd on first try

if people were really hard-pressed on getting that, they wouldnt play with randoms/greenbeards

if they do that's their own fault

but I do understand where you're coming from

it's just that its a blank core and you get enough of those already

so I feel the people that are really eager to get that would play with a coordinated team

[dawn oxide]

Leaf lover, I'd say.

[coarse wharf]

sure thing

[devout peak]

What is the EDD this week?

[coarse wharf]

then I guess the rest who share the same sentiment are leaf lovers

but that's ok

[coral pond]

Such a wholesome community, amirite :)

[coarse wharf]

if being considerate of others is being a leaf lover, that's something I would be proud of

ye

[sinful steppe]

Reg DD is fun enough

[short haven]

Check pinned

[coarse wharf]

check the pinned message

[short haven]

it updates every week

[devout peak]

Thx

[sinful steppe]

Screaming and somehow surviving til shield cooldown finally ends

[short haven]

cave layout is fairly simple save for refinery room on stage 3

[sinful steppe]

While facing a swarm in one ravine

[devout peak]

I know it updated

[sinful steppe]

Also leeches r everywhere

[devout peak]

How do I see pinned ?

[sinful steppe]

Slide right if you are in phone

Or find pin icon if you are in PC

[devout peak]

Thx

[coarse wharf]

leave no dwarf behind is a great sentiment, and I will happily do it if I know someone else will help us secure the mission by tucking themselves safely away in the drop pod

but never compromise the mission, for the sake of everyone

[zenith ember]

Are randoms really that bad in western countries? I never have any issues for either deep dives since the start with randoms here

Especially EDD, people tend to try harder and communicate more

[coarse wharf]

well, bad is universal

everyone will have their fair share of bad runs/players eventually

[zenith ember]

bad, sure, but i dont think they are fooling around

[coarse wharf]

ah, so people being bad on purpose?

the leaf lovers that grief randoms with C4s/Fat Boy on purpose... yeah

[grim wadi]

oh yeah true, literally zero bonus

[primal venture]

A level 11 just joined my EDD

Oh well

[primal venture]

Mission failure

[left geode]

is sticky flames ok for the edd?

[uneven lichen]

I hear Sticky flames is great in general so yeah

[torn kayak]

wow gunner with 30 revives and 2 incap, 540 kills and etc

that is some huge carry

[coral pond]

While you'll be hurting on the twins fight in stage 1, you'll be great for everything else so i'd highly recommend it

[kindred panther]

what does joining the union chapters do

[burnt sandal]

give you a monthly reward (if you don't forget to pick it up)

[hybrid grail]

you have to pick it up?

I've never done that

[grim wadi]

sadly the thing never works for me, i have to relink discord every time and its a hassle so i just stopped bothering

and then it often isnt clickable ingame

[woeful niche]

it’s extremely buggy

has been for years

the amount of credits and minerals it gives is pretty low for a monthly reward too imo, so don’t worry about missing it

[coral pond]

It's like 100-something of 2 minerals and like 1k credits

[surreal fossil]

the cave gen is goofy in the normal dd

[sullen walrus]

guys, we need a gunner and an engineer pod 18

[surreal fossil]

Why is the cave gen in dd so vertical 💀

[grim surge]

Enter the servers of other people, the nickname changes to the numbers 260-270
Hello, when you enter the servers of other people, the nickname changes to the numbers 260-270 , help please
If I am a host, then my nickname remains, when I access other servers, the nickname becomes numbers
I play through family sharing, I can not buy money no)

[round cedar]

Why does point extraction sometimes seem to randomly decide to enforce the 15 cap and other times it does not?

[coral pond]

15 cap?

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[foggy pilot]

This weeks edd was fun, but man was it tough

[still geode]

my advice for EDD is to be liberal with your resupplies in stage 2

also have your scout thoroughly check all the side caverns for nitra in stage 1

there are like 3 relatively hidden nitra veins

stage 1 has excess nitra, just don't die to exploders too much
stage 2 doesn't have a ton of nitra, but you can have like 2-3 extra resupplies from your stage 1 nitra, and using these liberally to stay high on HP will help tremendously to survive the shield disruption + volatile guts combo
stage 3 once again has excess nitra, so as long as you have ammo entering it you'll be fine (but u need to clear out some stuff immediately since its refinery)

[round cedar]

*15 min cap - before the never ending waves start

[grim wadi]

seems pretty consistent to me, could be that others are just pulling agro more, if it spawns near 1 person itll go for them instead of others etc

[woeful niche]

it isn’t a hard cap it’s just a gradual increase

[round cedar]

Oh

[round cedar]

I do not understand how face melter / exposive reload is supposed to be viable

You have no reach at all, even when you spec for more reach

you also have no ammo. the explosive reload does next to nothing in dmg

[tepid lark]

as a face melter user u pick both the ammo mods and fuel capactiy bexause it is important to kill the enemies before reloading

u get no reach but isnt that also true for cryo

just let the enemies come to you

as for explosive reload. all the driller secondaries suck mega balls so yeah it also sucks but having a flat damage is better in certain cases because it bypasses light armor and no weakspot bs

[woeful niche]

explosive reload has great dmg wdym lol

[round cedar]

Well sure if you play on H2 I'm sure the dmg is just great

[ivory fable]

Starting to get into the weekly core grind I'm wondering what would be the best set up for bosco to run deep dive and elite deep dives with I'm tired of failing because of random teammates not fully understanding thier role

[hushed sequoia]

mining speed, light, cryo rocket, electric bullets, revive somewhere there

don't really need the light upgrade as scout since you have flares but it's a massive increase in brightness otherwise

[woeful niche]

naw i mainly play 5

[grim wadi]

Bullets that deal damage to an enemy's healthbar leave behind a detonator that deals 42 Internal Damage to the enemy upon reloading
sounds like plenty to me, i still need to try that OC tho, only just went back to the subata to try it out more after using EPC for 500 hours

around x3.5 more damage than the bullet itself

[coarse wharf]

to everyone who might want to test stuff out, just get Damage Text, Custom Difficulties (Haz 5 Carry) and Sandbox Utilities mods

trust me, it will save you a ton of time, but F for the console players, sadly

[tacit jungle]

Shop around for higher level players when you're joining EDDs. My heart bleeds for newbros, but they can experiment on their own time

120+ish are usually adequate

Playing DRG solo seems pointless tbh 😄

[fluid aurora]

edds definitely feel better with others

misery doth loveth companyeth

[visual rain]

i find a mix of lower level players with one or two higher levels more fun. the struggle is the funnest part

[woeful harbor]

Can someone help do the elite deep dive??

Just having a lot of trouble

[woeful niche]

based take

[main parcel]

wtf is this week's EDD ffs

everything exploding around at once

mining two veins of nitra up the ceiling on the 1st stage takes no less than 5 minutes, bc exploders and all

[serene fjord]

Yeah, stage 1 was a bit annoying, but shouldn't be a problem so long as you're diligent in having someone or something guarding your back while mining, or simply using bosco if solo

[placid drift]

Just tried it two runs. Second and third are worse

second is shield disrupted with two brood nexuses and a breeder right off the bat.

third just got way overwhelmed

[coral pond]

They're only really horrid if your swarm clear options aren't ideal

Sticky fuel, minelayer, VIR, and cryo/fire bolts keep a lot of things off you that shield disrupt+volatile guts shouldn't be a huge issue. And cryo bolts as well takes quick work of breeders, brood nexuses, and spitballers

[odd pike]

Real question, I want to try to do some deep dives but I never really tried so do you gain core even if you already completed the mission once this week ?

So like can you do the deep dive twice a week

[main parcel]

No, you get cores once a week after the 1st completion

[odd pike]

And if you do a deep dive and then a elite deep dive do you get more core ?

For example if I do a normal deep dive and get a core if I do an elite deep dive will I get something or not ?

[smoky steeple]

Yes you do get a empty core one overclok and one cosmetic ocerclock from both the dd and the edd

[odd pike]

Alright

And what's the hazard level for the elite one

I know the standard one is 3 and 3.5

But I don't know for the elite one

[smoky steeple]

Edd is 4.5 5 5.5

First one is 4.5 second one is 5 third one is 5.5

[odd pike]

Alright

So I'm not ready lmao

Thanks for the help

[smoky steeple]

Glad to help

[ivory fable]

This weeks elite really is keeping me down aquarqs plus exploder infestation is hell

[smoky steeple]

Seems like pain

[smoky steeple]

i had stage 2 dd betcy

[alpine smelt]

@ivory fable Well the turrets on your HQ will knock out the exploders. Take out the boss early while you have ammo then focus on aquarqs and leaving. Grab the nitra you can but don't fully explore the cave. Just need to move onto EDD2.

Also, if the exploders are ambushing you, go in pairs.

1 dwarf mines aquarqs. 1 dwarf overwatches.

[wheat gull]

Make sure you've got your game audio up, you should be able to hear an exploder with enough time to move out of the way. The dash perk is also a helpful get-out-of-jail-free card. The biggest trap with aquarqs & exploders is getting caught in the hole; maintain 100% vigilance while digging, that's when you're most vulnerable.

[woeful niche]

i’d say def take the time to get all the nitra stage 1, the cave isn’t that big but has enough to last for stage 2

[alpine smelt]

I think it's a waste of time to mine the nitra in the first level.

It invites too much chances for error.

And anyone skilled enough to clear the nitra also doesn't need the nitra because they're skilled.

In other words, the player who is sweating EDD1 is far more likely to spend more ammo than save navigating the cave for nitra while the player who handles EDD1 with ease is going to run over this EDD nitra or not.

[edgy jackal]

quick question if you get a promotion for one class can you do deep dives for any class or do you also have to get them promoted?

[grim wadi]

have to promote all 4, only promoted class can DD

[edgy jackal]

ok thanks!

also is it true that you get overclocks for your least used class?

[grim wadi]

thats more of just a meme i think xD

[lusty dew]

Nah its a meme

Its random

[edgy jackal]

ok

[sick cape]

hey guys i just got deep dives unlocked but i cant seem to join anyone, idk why

i havent gone on a deep dive yet tho

[lusty dew]

You can't join DD/EDDs in progress

EDDs you can't join until you do a DD, there may just not be a lobby open yet

[tropic slate]

hows the edd

prob do dd tomorrow

[smoky steeple]

Its fine i guess there could be a betzy in stage 2 on the refuell cafe but thats it

[tiny portal]

I disagree personally, I found the first stage really doable and the resupplies really helped with regaining some health due to the shield disruption in stage 2. We also still had some nitra left in stage 3, with which we spammed resupplies, and everyone went down at some point, so the resupply granted us the iron will clutch. I died at most once every time we played stage 1, and died multiple times on stage 2 and 3 (as did the rest of the team). The difference between haz 4.5 and haz 5.5 is really notable

[alpine smelt]

Well, if you scroll up, you'll hear a story of someone who struggled with EDD1 which means that "people who are sweating with EDD1" should move onto EDD2 where you aren't pressured for time as severely.

In other words, you were someone who wasn't sweating EDD1, so you were able to path through it easily.

Someone who is having trouble with EDD1 shouldn't waste time there because it invites a greater chance of spending more ammo than you gain.

Giving advice is about putting yourself in another person's shoes, the shoes in this case of someone who is struggling with EDD1.

When I completed my EDD1, I still had like 120ish nitra despite not scouring the entire cave and hitting the objectives and moving on ASAP. It was 1 and a half pods.

[pliant yoke]

Fox, just for clarification, are you also assuming this (the no nitra chasing scenario and killing the boss early) is happening in a lobby of 4 strangers, or are you primarily focusing on the solo/coordinated duo situation?

[tiny portal]

I see what you mean, I was just saying that EDD3 might be a struggle then

[alpine smelt]

Just in general, if a 4-man team is having trouble in EDD1... then it's probably people really feeling the pressure of Point Extraction knowing that the "water is filling up the room" while you search. If a team can't inhale/exhale and efficiently scour EDD1 because it's a Point Extraction, then the logical thing to do is get out of Point Extraction.

A long term solution would be to just throw yourself at Haz5 PEs with warnings and beat the fear of PE out of yourself until you've grown numb to it, but I don't know if people want to hear that advice.

[alpine smelt]

That's also a likely result: getting owned in EDD3. I almost blew it in EDD3 because we took too long setting up the pipes.

[pliant yoke]

People generally don’t like playing with warnings in my experience, so I will leave it at that.

Overall, it’s a decent breakdown. I wouldn’t necessarily be on the same level of experience re: de-focusing nitra on stage 1, but with that in mind I’m not a super experienced player (roughly 400 hours on the clock, while primarily playing Haz 5), so this is something I could potentially improve in

[alpine smelt]

A piece of advice I live by is if a part of a video game frightens/gives me anxiety, then it is the part of the game I must force myself to do. Not everyone wants to do that, but I will say I learn very rapidly in any game I play where I do this.

[pliant yoke]

I’m not afraid of PEs personally, I just don’t get to trust 3 other people to handle the time pressure management very adequately

[alpine smelt]

I ran with 2 people in my EDD.

Me included as 1 of the 2.

I like party of 2 in EDD. You get to split the ammo pods so full ammo every 80 nitra, full HP every 80 nitra, and you get half of the tools the dwarves bring. Usually enough to punch the bug's tickets.

And you get reduced spawns.

ADMITTEDLY, I do have the advantage of being a content creator so my team is always handpicked people.

[pliant yoke]

Haha, I imagine this makes quite a bit of difference

[alpine smelt]

Huge difference, my wingman knows my playstyle and doesn't always even need me to communicate what I'm doing with him.

And he has faith in whatever I say like if he's fleeing bugs and I say: "You're clear. Take the time to make the jump" he'll stop even if he thought the bugs were right behind him and time all of his jumps with full concentration.

HOWEVER, I always recommend that anytime you play with someone and you have a hugely positive experience, slam that friend request.

And build your own deep dive strike team.

People are "randoms" until they aren't if you know what I mean.

[pliant yoke]

Oh I have folks to play with, it’s just that it’s only me playing DRG lately, and I want to also experience a different situation than always having a person to rely on. Sometimes having no trusted folks in the team makes for a very positive experience in the end, still, but I can’t say that everyone should be liking the chaotic element of pick up groups

[alpine smelt]

Sometimes you learn things from chaotic groups.

I like to see how groups fail as well. The mechanics of failure are just as valuable as the mechanics of success.

[pliant yoke]

The one thing I never try to do is complain on other folks, other than verbally with no microphone involved, because in the end if I died/whatever else bad for mission outcome happened, I try to think of what I could’ve done better, to avoid allowing this situation to unravel badly in the first place

[alpine smelt]

Yeah, being solution focused is great for morale.

And for your own sanity.

Like I almost got owned on EDD3, and I know exactly why.

I was flapping my big dumb mouth talking to the chat instead of reading Mission Control.

And he said something about a "grunt nest" that I assumed was a normal swarm.

Then suddenly I had an army of slashes and guards chasing me that I wasn't ready for.

When I reviewed the footage, I went back and read the line and saw that it was in fact a grunt swarm.

When the next swarm hit? We were on super try hard mode and like obliterated the swarm. That's when I realized the previous swarm was anomalous.

And since I wasn't paying attention, we almost lost.

[velvet raptor]

whats deep dive?

[alpine smelt]

If the main way you get your overclocks.

[wraith shard]

A mission type made available after you promote a dwarf

[velvet raptor]

what are overclocks?

[alpine smelt]

Super upgrades for your guns.

[velvet raptor]

what is a promote?

[wraith shard]

essentially 3 missions in a row done consecutively

[wraith shard]

reset your level once you reach level 25

[fringe crater]

3 missions with 2 main objectives. Usually takes 45m to 90m to complete one.

[velvet raptor]

without fail?

[wraith shard]

ideally

[alpine smelt]

Yup, back to start if you fail.

[velvet raptor]

wow

so promote first?

[alpine smelt]

You have no choice.

The game won't let you in if you aren't promoted.

[velvet raptor]

how do i level up my dwarf?

to promote

[wraith shard]

play the game, do missions and assignments

[velvet raptor]

for example?

[smoky steeple]

A nuke

[velvet raptor]

for real?

[wraith shard]

you'll receive a promotion assignment at the appropriate level, complete that to promote

[zenith ember]

engi can turn his nade launcher into a nuke, yes

[alpine smelt]

nuclear grenade launcher, sniper grenade launcher, icicle launcher, electrical beams that connect to your turrets

[zenith ember]

thats just one of the overclocks

[wraith shard]

yes, if you play Engy you can overclock the grenade launcher into a fat man. Overclocks are serotonin

[velvet raptor]

so like really game changing stuff not just a small perk

[alpine smelt]

They can also be small.

[wraith shard]

not all of them are so extreme, but yes they are designed to switch up gameplay

[velvet raptor]

why would you take a minor one?

[wraith shard]

if you don't have the bigger ones unlocked yet lol

[smoky steeple]

Yes some just Dose it so you get more ammo

[alpine smelt]

The crazier the effect? The greater the penalties like much less ammo, much less reload speed, maybe you lose all explosive power and have to score direct hits etc.

[zenith ember]

further modifications basically, some are small improvements over the existing gun but some changes how the gun functions

[velvet raptor]

oh wow

[alpine smelt]

Minor bonuses have no penalties.

[velvet raptor]

the game you are playing sounds like a whole different game to what i’m playing

[zenith ember]

you also get overclocks from your promotion

[alpine smelt]

That is why it is the end game activity.

It is there to increase replayability.

[zenith ember]

but deep dives changes every week for you to try

[alpine smelt]

Play the game in a variety of ways.

[wraith shard]

and a few more after a long ass assignment

[zenith ember]

oh they give them via assignments now? didnt know

[wraith shard]

When I promoted I got an assignment of like 15 missions lmao, gave overclocks to 'get me on my way'

[zenith ember]

but the bottom line is that, you can see deep dives as a challenge of 3 chained missions that rewards you with said overclocks

[alpine smelt]

Oh one thing to know is you need a lot of minerals and credits to build the overclocks though.

[velvet raptor]

you need a lot of that for everything anyways

[alpine smelt]

They are pretty fun though. You should get at least 1 of them.

[zenith ember]

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[runic relic]

Letting the mods get in first, how privileged

[rancid willow]

Hi wanna ask if I do a deep dive with my friend but I don’t have a promotion do I still get overclocks

[coral pond]

Can't do a dive if you're not promoted

[short haven]

Yeah you cant do them to begin with if you arent promoted

[lime zealot]

You also need to play as a class that's promoted.

So if you only did so on one class you're stuck with it

[potent rune]

If you're really desperate to level up and promote, go ahead and grind out double xp missions

But it's better to just progress naturally that way you have all the knowledge and equipment to handle one as well

[hot moat]

Did anyone mention you cant do it if youre not promoted?

[zenith island]

Yep

[granite anvil]

hı

[vapid roost]

Me seeing title of EDD is "Low Risk" 🙂
Me after 5 attempts with friend before finally beating it: "SO that was a Rockin lie"

First EDD in...months that took us more than 1 attempt, we were a lil rusty I guess, few weeks since we played seriously, but still damn good EDD

[wheat gull]

I've had remarkably good teams for this EDD, I figure. Might run it again tonight just for shits 'n giggles lol

[edgy jackal]

any tips for deep dives in general because ive only done one

[hybrid grail]

do objective without dying and you should win

[tight kestrel]

Hey folks, I completed the tutorial recently and wanted to know if there was any good tips or videos on knowing what/how to progress as efficiently as possible.

[edgy jackal]

honestly just go to the assignment board generally stick to one class and ask a lot of questions in chat (the community is very welcoming to greenbeards) and you should be fine

[tight kestrel]

Thank you!

[edgy jackal]

np

[placid musk]

i would advise actually trying out all the 4 classes non-promoted before deciding on a main. I play scout the most but I do enjoy the other 4 classes. They're just too unique and equally enjoyable that maining means missing out a lot.

[icy ledge]

I don’t even have a main

I have every class played equally mostly

[tight kestrel]

Yeah that makes sense, I loved the gunner but the driller dude looks interesting based on some videos I've seen

[icy ledge]

Also makes it so getting an oc later is never disappointing

[placid musk]

this is kinda my own subjective take but i feel like scout + driller are the more overrated classes idk

i play a lot more gunner and engi, mostly because of salvo module + the handful of good engi ocs i have

gunner a bit more since he can pull off some serious clutch moments

[icy ledge]

That’s just like… your opinion man

[placid musk]

yeah that's what i meant

take with a grain of salt

i play all 4 equally now

i have 230 hours clocked in and still no silver promo

[icy ledge]

More so was going for the reference here but yeah all classes are equal

[tight kestrel]

I just see myself worrying about keeping the other players alive by mowing everything else down more often, at least until I get the hang of traversal and mining.

[icy ledge]

Community is actually a split an even 25 down the way

[tight kestrel]

Oh cool, so I won't have to worry about matchmaking or can multiple of the same class join?

I know most of this is FOIG, but I'm playing D&D lol

[placid musk]

yes

although stacking different clerics is a viable strat from the stuff i've heard about the class XD

same with engineer stacking here

that class has everything

some lobbies will prevent late joiners from picking duped classes

[tight kestrel]

Ah, cool that's good to know. I was also curious about them as well. well all 4 tbh

[placid musk]

but games are winnable with an unorthodox composition

[placid musk]

engi is the best late game

same with gunner

[tight kestrel]

Does it feel like babysitting a turret though?

[placid musk]

many of the best engi builds don't need the turrets as main dps

turrets are for picking out stragglers and such

there are ways to play a turret focused strat with overclocks but that's very lategame

[tight kestrel]

Oh cool, okay that's good to know

I picked up on the steam sale a few days ago so I've been pretty excited to really sink my teeth into it so I've been watching a few videos here and there.

[placid musk]

what class you playing the most rn

[tight kestrel]

I've only played gunner since I've only completed the tutorial, but I see myself pouring myself into being the heavy.

[placid musk]

people often mistake gunner for some tank class but in reality he's just as killable as everyone else

the shield ain't permanent

but he is the class with the highest single survivability

[tight kestrel]

Oh no, I just have terrible aim and put my faith entirely on spray and pray.

Having a beeg gun helps with that.

[coarse wharf]

honestly, every class can do solo Haz 5 and modded difficulty content just fine

Haz 6 2x enemies Escort Duty is possible on Scout

[placid musk]

yea i saw waste's vid on it

insane shit

[coarse wharf]

One class is not that much stronger than the rest.

[placid musk]

they have diff strengths

if you're trying to swarm clear as scout in a full balanced team you're making a mistake

[coarse wharf]

Tbh, you end up having to do that if your teammates are door knob lickers

Scout is extremely flexible if you run a certain build

[placid musk]

what build

boltshark's wave clear seems finicky to execute

[tight kestrel]

Sir, they are delicious if prepared properly I'll have you know.

[coarse wharf]

Hipster M1K, Fire/Taser Bolt Nishanka, Cryo Nade

you have a tool for every situation

[placid musk]

i used to run that build but with phero

just felt fire bolts acted too slow ig

[coarse wharf]

Taser Bolt helps with chunkier enemies, bosses/HVTs will slow to a crawl with 2 Taser Bolts

[placid musk]

i just go full single target enemies

aise + gas recycling

[coarse wharf]

just use your grappling hook back and forth over your fire bolts, kiting is extremely easy on Scout anyways

[placid musk]

or embedded dets

[placid musk]

ah ok

[coarse wharf]

I suppose

can run Aggressive Venting DRAK and Embedded Detonators Zhukov, only problem will be Shellbacks

[placid musk]

i will try this out, this looks fun as hell

do stun sweepers stun shellbakcs

[coarse wharf]

oh, I forgot, run IFGs too, it buffs the detonators' damage

and no, Shellbacks are immune to stuns

I run 11311 AV DRAK, 11231 ED Zhukov, IFGs

IFGs are universally good, don't have to worry about burn builds ruining your freeze from Cryo Nades

Manual Heat Dump is there so you can just use your reload key as a panic button without needing to build full heat to trigger AV, you will always apply fear to praetorians for easy kills with Embedded Detonators

[earnest geode]

Guys any tips on first time deep diving?

[coarse wharf]

communicate with your team, ask questions if you are unsure on what to do

move fast

[earnest geode]

It's gonna be an all-newbie first time deep diving, so we all won't know what to do lmao.

[coarse wharf]

ok, that's fair

[placid musk]

regular dds are a walk in the park

play normal and just keep an eye on nitra

i mostly blind run edds once to get a hold of terrain and then formulate a strategy to avoid the blunt of the difficulty

this week's edd is trivial with good terrain manipulation starting stage 2 if you know what to do since no bulks spawn to force you out

[earnest geode]

Okay thanks. Man gotta get those overclocks but I'm scared of deep diving. Gotta do it someday.

[coarse wharf]

don't worry, regular DDs are easy, you won't really notice a difference if your group is used to Haz 3

just be mindful of your nitra pool

in general, getting your DD objectives done as quickly as possible is ideal

less swarms to deal with = more nitra to use in later stages

In stage 3, feel free to go nuts with re-supplies

[swift slate]

try driller, his primaries are a flamethrower, a cryo cannon and a sludge acid pump

[placid musk]

aim gets better with practice

[uneven lichen]

Or just use bullet hell

[placid musk]

i force myself to use hipster even though my aim is hot garbage to get better

[coarse wharf]

@placid musk speaking of my DRAK build, you can apply electricity to a HVT, then switch to ED Zhukov and delete it

you can save IFGs for oppressors since they are immune to electricity, but not the IFGs' electricity effect

[placid musk]

alr

[swift slate]

hvt?

[coarse wharf]

High value target

[placid musk]

i mostly just bulldog the hvts as gunner since the scout on my team isn't noticing

[swift slate]

ohh

[coarse wharf]

So stuff like Wardens/Menaces etc

[placid musk]

as he's doing sth else

[swift slate]

yeah

[placid musk]

homebrew does so much damage

i love the bulldog now XD

[coarse wharf]

Bulldog is fun, ye

[swift slate]

i was trying it to fit into a hiveguard or a korlok acronym lol

[coarse wharf]

I generally run Compact Mags BRT7 on my Gunner

[placid musk]

my build is salvo module + homebrew powder

still waiting for ntp

and volatile bullets

[coarse wharf]

I use Big Bertha for the Thunderhead

[placid musk]

so i can one-tap wardens hehe

[coarse wharf]

and yeah, Burning Hell Minigun or Minelayer Hurricane w/ incendiary missiles paired with Volatile Bullets Bulldog

[placid musk]

is salvo module worse than minelayer

minelayer just seems boring ngl

same with electro minelets

[coarse wharf]

well, both are good

I don't use the Hurricane as much as the Minigun and Thunderhead

[placid musk]

salvo is my one interesting oc

for gunner

[coarse wharf]

If I run Hurricane, I generally run Jet Fuel Homebrew

[placid musk]

for raw damage right

[coarse wharf]

yup

I pair it with Hellfire Coilgun for crowd control

[tropic crater]

anyone notice that stage 3 on the Elite Deep Dive is different on steam than on xbox?

why is that

[raw latch]

Good lord that elite deep dive was a doozy

[placid musk]

how'd it go?

[raw latch]

not bad

just very intense

had a lot of close calls

[placid musk]

how were the stage 3 special swarms

[still geode]

i remember stage 3 being fairly easy

nothing particularly notable, aside from one of the pipelines being really ass if you don't have plats

[placid musk]

i just drilled to both of the wells

through the swarmer tunnels near the pump

[still geode]

yeah the two wells in the side cavern can be easily drilled to

its the one in the main cavern where the start of the pipeline has to be built on a bunch of tiny pillars if you don't have plats

[woeful niche]

depends which version of the edd u get. 1/5 times iv done this edd it spawned at the bottom of the cave. I didn’t even know that cud happen till this week

[still geode]

you're talking about the refinery, ye?

or the pump

[woeful niche]

both

the alt version has 1 pump in a different spot and the refinery at the bottom of the cave

it’s really weird

[placid musk]

refinery yes

[still geode]

yeah that would make that one pipeline easier without engi, but sounds like an absolute pain without a driller

[woeful niche]

i didnt even know that cud happen

the alternate version doesn’t have the pipe that’s all the way in the back of the last cave

that one gets moved to near where the pod lands

again, iv never seen that happen before till this week. I’m curious if the same cud happen to the minehead

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[burnt shuttle]

FINISHED MY FIRST EDD YESSSS