#deep-dive-discussion

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dense pebble
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One got loose

hidden venture
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wtf thats like 10 bans in 20 minutes

dense pebble
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Thank you.

eager flame
grizzled pawn
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What happened??

dense pebble
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Bad person got yeeted

grizzled pawn
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10 of them?

finite vigil
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oh man, at least the low oxygen one is liquid morkite

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and as someone mentioned, can use the ghost against the Hiveguard

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seems ez pz

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how are the cave seeds this time round tho

maiden finch
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Is Cryo or Flamethrower driller best for this weeks Elite Deep?

finite vigil
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ehhh it's up to you

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whatever you're most comfortable with

maiden finch
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ait ^^

dense pebble
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Flame should work well since there’s only one dreadnought

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But cryo also works

rugged portal
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theory fighting here but flamer probably better for both

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there only dread in the first stage of edd afterall

whole locust
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wheres the deep dive details

finite vigil
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pins

burnt sandal
burnt sandal
rugged portal
whole locust
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thx

rugged portal
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as of now muffin haven't updated for this week lmao

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the actual this week dd/edd you have to scroll up a bit

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they literally added the date recently too

finite vigil
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ohhhhh I see

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right, so with that in mind, best to use flamer for EDD imo

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dreads + rival presence

rugged portal
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you want big single target oc for your secondary though

fallow niche
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might not be super useful for stage 1 but haz4.5 dreads arent all that threatening so with a half decent team it ought to be fine with flamer yeah

finite vigil
rugged portal
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run like explosive reload or heavy hitter

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not sure about bn

finite vigil
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tbh I've never actually liked using it, never produces the blisters quick enough

rugged portal
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the rng is real

burnt sandal
rugged portal
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or you can run vim sludge

burnt sandal
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Besides, you have a secondary that can do work too

finite vigil
rugged portal
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vim is very generalist

fallow niche
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it's great at everything basically yeah

rugged portal
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disperser/gbs work for cc

fallow niche
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(probably could do with adjusting)

rugged portal
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if you want big single target only with good range then sludge blast

sonic arrow
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is there a good place to see the mission types for the EDD each week?

burnt sandal
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It's quite good overall

burnt sandal
grave coyote
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I'm not seeing our current weekly dives in pins, what's goin' on?

fluid cliff
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try reading

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the message directly above yours, or even the series of messages directly above that

grave coyote
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Why would I do that, Janice?

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Sorry, couldn't resist

fluid cliff
fallow niche
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this week was pretty straightforward

still sonnet
eager flame
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D:

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Aww... i know he was the one that brought the info but... come on TwT

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sadge

pallid void
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Fucking Haunted on normal Dive?

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No.

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Just... no.

fluid cliff
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oh yes

grim wadi
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o man even EDD stage 2 caught us up a bit, rolly bois kept coming at us in tight tunnels hitting us like bowling pins

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the third stage was indeed exausting, pretty much no time to breathe

finite vigil
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ok, what the fuck is stage 2

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we had a handle on the initial swarm then exploders zoomed in out of nowhere

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rolly boys too

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AND THEN A BULK SPAWNED

grim wadi
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oh unlucky, we got a bulk stage 3 only, wasnt much issue

finite vigil
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swarm went from 0-11 real quick

grim wadi
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yeah the no open areas in stage 2 was an issue, at the bottom theres more room, but thats where our betc was

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we opted to not trigger it and just egg and leave lol

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we only had a betc on one stage, not 2 like some had

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no rando dread either

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morkite smuggler is just cursed i guess

tropic slate
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hows edd

fallow niche
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bulk popped an egg for my group right at the end of a swarm lol.

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a good time was had by all

finite vigil
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ok, wow. stage 3 is no joke.

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didn't help that our dumbass scout kept dying in places we couldn't reach.

fallow niche
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it's quite vertical

finite vigil
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how can you be bronze 3 and not know how to use grappling hooks to escape

fallow niche
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throwing out a bunch of ziplines helps a bit

grim wadi
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our 2 gunners made a nice web of lines too

finite vigil
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doesn't help that the biome makes the nitra harder to see

lusty dew
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If it spawned in the second egg room you could just completely ignore it

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Unless your engi gets bowling pinned by a youngling into it

grim wadi
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xD interesting, we very nearly did

finite vigil
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oh my fucking god, these randoms are trash.

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popping eggs in the second stage without asking

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and dying in the spike pit

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morons

rugged portal
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that why you dd with at least 1 person you know

placid musk
severe tusk
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Breach Cutter can accidentally pop eggs. I am level 1k+ and I still do that every once in a while.

rose yacht
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just use the plasma thingy mod and those swarmers die from the trail.

woeful garden
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my brother in karl what was tha edd second stage

bleak charm
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ugh

woeful garden
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i got 4 bulk spawns

bleak charm
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bet-c made the edd hard

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it spawned on stage 1 and 2

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lost the second one

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skill issue

woeful garden
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we killed bet-c, got a swarm, 2 bulks at the same time, passed trough the swarm, grabbed the first egg and another swarm, got to the second egg, another swarm, more 2 bulks

bleak charm
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I got bet-c with bulk and shit-tons of grunts slashers swarm

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and no ammo

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and a very closed room

wraith flame
# finite vigil and dying in the spike pit

This is exactly what happened to my run. Driller blew C4 on an egg without asking, we were in spike pit directly under a Bet-C we didn't fight yet. So we got a wave, Bet-C, and a bulk while in the bottom of a very small pit. Was doom as soon as driller blew the c4

grim wadi
fallow niche
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the key to stage 2, as far as i can tell, was 'dont fight in the stupid cramped vertical pit of death, you idiots'

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worked for me

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a healthy amount of claustrophobia is always useful

rose yacht
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pheromone woulda easily dealt with dread.

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oh wait it doesnt work on dread.

rose beacon
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I never had trouble stage 2

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Stage 3 royally fucked me

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I left the drop pod and was greeted by a nice bulk detonator, nemesis, and three sniper turrets along with a few glyphids

hollow shale
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Also rather surprising having BETCs on 2 of the stages.

tacit jungle
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somehow didn't have betc on stage 1 the second time I tried it

tacit jungle
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EDD wasn't too bad, though I peaced out with the rest of the team dead on stages 2 and 3

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just a bit of that scout magic

split anchor
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question, I did crash for dd stage 2. Does trying again skip stage 1 or you just can't get stage 1 rewards again

tacit jungle
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no, you play from stage 1 every time

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no repeat rewards

split anchor
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ah

tropic slate
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how edd

zenith ember
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Very rng apparently, either nothing much spawning or BET-C, bulks and nemesis

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Objective-wise nothing much that can screw you much

lucid frost
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doing DD, how did i miss the part where it says haunted cave on the first stage

scenic wyvern
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flamethrower driller to deal with rival bots

scout to capture eggs

engineer placing platforms in case an accident from high fall

gunner clear enemies around

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yeah make sure you clear them first and destroy rival turrets

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otherwise you get snipers peeping at you

whole locust
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disabling the turrets should always be top priority

rose yacht
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drillchamp kill any four legged freaks.

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that tries to nibble yer leg.

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#Gunner zip lines needs a buff

whole locust
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they gotta buff my man scout

brave thorn
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dd is haz 2 haz 3 haz 3 right?

rose yacht
void stump
rose yacht
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he never dies unless yer potatoe.

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but sometimes

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i feel like focused shots feels weak.

brave thorn
hasty meteor
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On this week's EDD 3 it's really easy to disable all the turrets, just have the driller take a hard right after leaving the pod, dig towards the root of the turret controller and hack it, having at least one dwarf to watch his back, since the bugs will likely come down the tunnel

wintry valley
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Can someone help me with the EDD please?

sick umbra
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2 EDDs in a row stage 2 is a menace for some reason

scenic wyvern
gusty grotto
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stage 3 EDD, we had 2 bulks spawn on us as we dropped in

vagrant acorn
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We lost all of our “Iron will”s during the first minute of edd stage 3, but other missions are rather easy

cunning bronze
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2nd one had betsy and dread twins rng spawn in the middle of the goofy room

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Stage 3 was so fucking scary

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But we made it through after a greybeard engi joined the lobby

vagrant acorn
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The first stage has awful dreadnaught caves, it’s better to lure them in starting cave or the one near black box

hybrid niche
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Are the deep dives this week awful abominations on purpose or what's going on ? Maybe next week...

vagrant acorn
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The deep dives are ok

earnest fox
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stage 2 EDD cave is poop otherwise its chill

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got it done in 43min with 3 randoms 2 having 25 downs each

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really not a bad one this week

sick umbra
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edd 3 was breeze, though we almost died
edd 2 cave is better than the last week one, thank god we didn't activate BET-C

fast lark
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Are you also struggling with the elite dd ? We got wiped twice on the stage 2 "egg room" 🥲

inland harbor
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What is the deep dive this week

queen rampart
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@rugged portal 12pm to 6pm? Available?

rugged portal
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when

queen rampart
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Tomorrow

rugged portal
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i acn

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can

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just helped someone doing dd today

queen rampart
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Alright

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Cyan tomorrow

finite vigil
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maybe I'll just go scout for this one to save the trouble

rose yacht
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scout with bosco

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makes solo easy

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😂

foggy pilot
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I thought I was in for a chill little solo dd, and then I get haunted cave jumpscared

dense sage
paper ingot
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this week was easy

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27:04 DD and 31:41 EDD

vagrant acorn
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First stage of DD is fun

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The second one has mushroom which we pinged until the stage ended

placid musk
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wiped on stage 3 edd twice now

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any advice (scout specific)

next blaze
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If you have one or two resups of nitra available going into it, you can probably just rush all the aquarqs as soon as the initial chaos is over

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everyone else will likely be nabbing some nitra here and there as they come across it, and tons of the aquarqs are really high up, so it's good to dig em up and chuck em down right away, you can likely have them all deposited within 4-5 minutes of starting if you're speedy

severe tusk
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I have not played it yet, but it looks like stage 3 of the EDD this week is 200 Morkite and 2 Eggs with Lethal enemies, not Aquarqs.

next blaze
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The pin this week has the DD on the bottom this time :p

severe tusk
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Oh, sorry, you're right 😛

next blaze
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it surprised me too, going into it!

severe tusk
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greasedfish, are you doing solo scout or playing in groups?

runic relic
# placid musk any advice (scout specific)

Snipe from spawn all you can in stage 3, use the time of peace after the first wave to get the aquarqs in the sidecave up top, get both eggs last and then just focus on survival for the droppod. You should go into stage 3 stocked with some nitra so dont waste time on it if you dont need to and resup generously.

grim wadi
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rng completely shat on us, as soon as we activated betc, swarm started, then bulk

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first stage was not easy either, we were way too uncoordinated, nitra situation was shit too

old widget
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That googly-eyed oppressor drillchamp

grim wadi
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oh yeah i forget i have that im so used to it xD

desert lynx
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what kind of events are in this week's edd?

dense pebble
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BETT-C stage 2

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Potentially

pastel lantern
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i dunno if there was something with the spawns but EDD 3 just kept spawning wave after wave with basically no rest

grim wadi
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yeah, haz 5.5 + rival gives you little room to breathe

lusty dew
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You gotta go fast

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The longer you take the stronger and more frequent the waves get until you run out of ammo and die

pastel lantern
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yeah but there was basically NO time between waves

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even regular spawns were the size of normal waves in non EDD

round cedar
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yeah I noticed that right after the bunny event started

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raonmdomly getting waves that never end and are really large

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by the time we cleared that wave another one was spawning

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not sure of the mission type though

rugged portal
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on point extraction after 15 minutes the bug spawn constantly

pastel lantern
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except the constant spawning initially made us go past 15 lol

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kinda hard to get aquarks when there are constant waves every other minute

grim wadi
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helped that i went sludge pump and epc persistent plasma, slows and hurts em as i run away and drill

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our scout was mostly just screaming

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somehow our gunners managed to get quarks with ziplines lol

dense pebble
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I had a moment like that on a regular mission

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But I was also the only one alive in a 4 man haz 4

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And as Scout I couldn’t kill fast enough

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Sure, I never died, but I did eventually run out of ammo

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400 kills though.

clever topaz
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if i lose connection during an elite deep dive, am i able to rejoin the mission?

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cause the info tab says I can, but it doesn't look like there's a way to do it

tacit jungle
# dense pebble And as Scout I couldn’t kill fast enough

If you find yourself as scout fighting bugs for any period of time, you should find something more useful to do. If you're the last one standing, find a way to lead the bug swarm away from a teammate, then bounce back and try to sneak in a rez

dense pebble
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I did a few times.

round cedar
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omg

dense pebble
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We had 3 scouts and engie, and the others were kind of new.

round cedar
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My wife and I almost beat the elite DD

dense pebble
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We beat it when we restarted with an actual team comp.

tacit jungle
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ah, scout solo carry is rough

round cedar
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I pulled the last leg and it fucking spawned a detonator in front of us

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with no way to skirt around it

dense pebble
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thats fun

round cedar
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*last egg

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I'm so mad. That shouldn't even be allowed

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What terrible programming that is

tacit jungle
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I played other classes just enough to understand their capabilites when well built, which is deleting any amount of grunts with a couple of clicks

round cedar
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Literally nothing could be done

dense pebble
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I had a haz 5 mission mining expedition yesterday where 3 bulks spawned and a dreadnought

round cedar
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it spawned in front and in 3s triggered its attack and we died

tacit jungle
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neither of you were scout?

desert lynx
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NO FUCKING SHOT

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A NEMESIS SPAWNED ON THE EDD

dense pebble
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rival presence be like

desert lynx
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WHEN EVERYONE BUT THE GUNNER WAS DEAD

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the scout saved us

tacit jungle
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That sounds glorious, game creating Additional Content for you

round cedar
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no, I was driller and she was engineer

tacit jungle
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I would've tried to dig away or try to dash past. 3s is pretty tight though

round cedar
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It happened so fast. Mayb e I could've dug. I don't remember what my fuel was at

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but we were hihg up

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with nothing behind us

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it was the highest egg up all the way in the back

tacit jungle
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almost tempted to play EDD again in case it goes hilariously wrong

placid musk
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are egg waves set in dds? will the first egg popped always spawn a wave

grim wadi
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it seems random for the order, but the amount of waves they will spawn are pretty deterministic

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i cant remember the exact stats, but if theres 2 eggs, 1 of them will be an announced swarm etc

dim lotus
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this edd feel very easy and short for anyone else?

grim wadi
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certainly easier if done at speed xD

placid musk
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down a gunner for the second try

vital sluice
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It's definitely short

primal venture
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Watched a gunner pick up a bunch of red sugar I mined for him

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Then lose all of that health in a second

grim wadi
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(im sure we can all relate tho)

primal venture
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Bro I felt that deep in my bones

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Specifically my femurs

grim wadi
alpine smelt
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3rd mission for this week's Elite Deep Dive was pretty fun.

Despite being a mining game, sometimes DRG can capture an assault pod space marine attack better than full action games.

The pod is immediately attacked by the bugs who who between the spitball infectors with overwatch acting like artillery cannons to the hardened turrets the Rival Presence spawns makes it feel like you're being dropped into a battlezone to crush the enemy's front line rather than mine the 7 aquarqs you're actually being sent to grab.

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After hitting an egg spawned swarm wave directly into a normally spawning swarm wave, my pal was like "Oh god, another wave? They're stacking on top of each other!"

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While I was like "WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY FOR BATTLE!"

rose yacht
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this is why i love em discharge.

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fear everything

split anchor
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did edd and died on stage 2

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Hiveguard and blackbox are on the same area

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BETC spawns on Stage 2, bulk detonator appearing on first swarm

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2 menaces appeared on stage 2 as well

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fighting the bulk on a small area is not fun

rose yacht
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welp, if only u chose driller

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u create yer own space

vagrant acorn
rose yacht
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does stage 3 have turret control system?

rugged portal
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I don't think so

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our team can't find it

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but we still did it anyway

hoary viper
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I just drilled to it right after landing

rugged portal
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@queen rampart wah

queen rampart
rugged portal
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in like 50 mins

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I just eat

vagrant acorn
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You both have very based pfps

dim lotus
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another 3 matrix cores, another no aggressive venting 😔 ✊

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guess ill try again next week

sinful steppe
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why is there 2 bulks on mission 2

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in regular deep dive

hazy sigil
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Got jumpscared by the unknown horror on regular deep dive. Started the mission, saw the dreadnought cocoon, started making preparations and the ground opens up beneath me. Needless to say I forgot to check the warnings.

spice oak
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ughgh fuck the edd

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finished it

alpine smelt
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EDD3 is a lot easier if you hack the turret controller ASAP.

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It's really, really close to your drop pod too.

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It's just down the ramp onto a ledge on the right.

spice oak
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yea thats what we did

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gunner shielded while one hacked

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became easier

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but still, bulks and oppressors spawning

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😩

alpine smelt
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I had an anti-boss loadout.

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So we were able to put down high HP enemies.

spice oak
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i used sludge pump driller

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asshole couldnt move

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kekw

alpine smelt
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That usually makes quirk work of thick enemies.

spice oak
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yuh

alpine smelt
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I went with the Smart Rifle and Shard Diffractor.

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It came in handy for zapping all of the webbers on the roof.

spice oak
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yea those were the actual reasons for first wipeout

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all was downed except scout

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got caught by a web

alpine smelt
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We got a back to back swarm.

spice oak
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how long did ur stage 3 take

alpine smelt
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Pulled an egg swarm, then a natural swarm.

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I can't remember since I did it on Thursday.

desert lynx
spice oak
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iirc stag 3 edd is haz 5.5?

alpine smelt
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I did get a Nemesis.

desert lynx
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oh wait normal deep dive

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nvm

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i got a nemesis and presumably so did everyone

alpine smelt
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Nemesis is not effective in EDD3 though because it is vulnerable in wide open areas.

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The main thing it does is waste your time and invite the next wave in.

sinful steppe
umbral wind
sinful steppe
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indeed

queen rampart
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@rugged portal Funny DreadNoughts running away from 2 dwares

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XD

rugged portal
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weaponized incompetence vs big mommy

queen rampart
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@rugged portal tHAT'S was lucky with bunch of pheromione

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Almost die there

rugged portal
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consider staying alive

hoary viper
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How was this week's edd

rugged portal
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easy

hoary viper
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I will have to carry 3 greenbeards so thats why im asking

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Since these goobas are still scared of anything above haz4

still geode
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scared of anything above haz4 but they want to do edd?

hoary viper
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Im stupid i wanted to ask bout dd

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Brain malfunction

queen rampart
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Everytime a bulk got pheremone

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Every bug got distracted by it

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@rugged portal

rugged portal
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i saw taht

queen rampart
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That's not me

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Mod

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anyway

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We done it

next pebble
smoky harbor
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My blood pressure rising each time I see a Hiveguard

spice oak
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doign first stage dd

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fucking bulk + oppressor spawned at spawn

smoky harbor
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They have this very unique talent of parking up agaisnt a wall wit htheir ass conviniently protected

spice oak
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????????????????

smoky harbor
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It's the only way

spice oak
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ik ik

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ive already done elite dd

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just

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why did those 2 spawn at first stage dd

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xd

sinful steppe
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Regular deep dive

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Haunted cave and cocoon near the spawn

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that was pain

grim wadi
twilit birch
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How tf do you complete edd 3rd stage with that ass map gen

grim wadi
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i drilled lots of escape tunnels into the upper area, helped kinda

runic relic
swift robin
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Have your digger dedicated to the singular goal of making a tunnel that goes trough all the caves (That's how it happened in my last game)

placid musk
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can someone help me with the edd in lfg

fallow mist
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go solo

foggy pilot
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edd was really fun, rough but fun

burnt shuttle
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we had one swarm, detonator, bet-c, one swarm

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back to back on stage floor

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and died 😭

torn kayak
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when scout carries you all 3 maps to keep the team glued and going

broken hull
vapid roost
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EDD was going smooth
fuck the nemesis
hour wasted
delete from gaem pls

queen willow
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what is this weeks dd and edd look like

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missions?

foggy pilot
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They are in pinned. dd has haunted cave elim, egg hunt at first stage, rest is easy. edd has some tough caves in the second and third stage

queen willow
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going for a record

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first stage done in less than 5 min

foggy pilot
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Second stage is sluggish, bc its onsite refinment. At least solo its kinda slow bc of pipes

queen willow
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ruight

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ill try

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doing a solo speedrun with scout

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lets see how it goes

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rn doing the blackbox

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2nd stage

broken hull
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I never saw it

rugged portal
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did edd twice and no nemesis for me

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bulk is on both though

broken hull
rugged portal
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stage 3

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in the big room

broken hull
queen willow
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refinery started at 12:11

foggy pilot
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With my engie I got 32 minute solo run for dd

queen willow
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this is really fast

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ngl

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betc and bosco are carrying rn

broken hull
queen willow
broken hull
rugged portal
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stage 1

broken hull
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All we got were hacked patrol bots

queen willow
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2nd stage done in 16:51

vapid roost
broken hull
old siren
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Almost finished EDD stage 2 then SOMEONE decided to wake up Bet-C when we had a bulk

rugged portal
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it kinda unavoidable in 1 of the 2 spawn location

queen willow
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dd done in 24:23

rugged portal
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also i got leeched into bet c on doing edd again for today lol

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if he in the small side cave then you can just skip bet c

queen willow
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@rugged portal irrelevant all i wanted was time

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besides if i wanted to make it my banner, could do that]

rugged portal
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i mean why did you even take time to crop the pic lmao

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alr

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fair enough

queen willow
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not my fastest time tho

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sucks

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was just avoiding bugs and getting nitra + minerals while getting chased by a hoard of angry bugs lol

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@rugged portal im gonna speedrun the edd now ill show the whole screen this time, didnt think it mattered but ill do it for your sake nice

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first edd stage done in 6 min

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second edd stage done in 12:10

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another betc spawned

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funny

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@rugged portal thoughts

rugged portal
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swarm size controller and custom difficulty is appoved

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😍

queen willow
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no mods were on

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ill take the compliment tho

rugged portal
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man randomly decide to speedrun dd/edd and having record time is totally legit

queen willow
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that isnt record time

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i can do better ;))

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hey if your willing to put bets then ill send you my cashapp

rugged portal
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dunno just upload the video to youtube with only damage text

calm quest
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only mined 7 gold, no nitra?

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or does it not show that

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nvm i see now lol

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i am noob

grim wadi
crude timber
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friend just forgot the name for an E.D.D and asked me what the “gigachad deep dives” are called

old siren
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Almost finished the EDD but Driller popped IW as the mission started and that was that from there. Thanks for two back-to-back team wipes Drillboy

woeful niche
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nothing wrong with popping iron will early

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it’s not that needed of a perk + you get 3 charges of it on an edd anyways

woeful niche
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it recharges each stage

crude timber
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oh cool

old siren
woeful niche
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idk what some ppl consider a “waste” tho

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if scout died in a shit spot, i’d rather him iron will then wait for me to@get him for ex

queen willow
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red sugar - mining more nitra = more time saved

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atleast for solo

idle blaze
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im surprised your dd time is that from your edd time

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how many resup did you use on dd?

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because im sure you had nitra left over you could have left

queen willow
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so focused on not dying and grappling too safety and past massive hoards

idle blaze
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8?

queen willow
idle blaze
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how do you go through 8 in 20 mins

queen willow
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i couldnt stand still long

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so when i was safe i dropped one

idle blaze
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thats fair, were you on scaled difficulty ?

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or was it still haz 3.5?

queen willow
#

normal difficulty

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for both

idle blaze
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dont you find not taking dmg in the dd easy for the time you got on the edd?

queen willow
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given that if you get stunned or touched it would be bad

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stun was what killed me on my edd

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disappointing

idle blaze
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you should run the dd again with less mining see how fast you can do it

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try using just 1 resup

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on second stage

queen willow
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hm

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i can try

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thats the stage with the dreadnoughts no?

idle blaze
#

thats 1st

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refine is 2nd

queen willow
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right

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i do speedruns on other games

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most notably minecraft

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so thats why im so accustomed

idle blaze
#

id think youd identify that you mined too much for a fast time

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how many edd runs did you do?

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because i know its a really good week but i dont like the 1st stage of edd

queen willow
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failed 2 then on my third i got it

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(the time i posted for edd)

idle blaze
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nice nice

queen willow
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i needed something with dmg and speed

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m1000 + zhukovs

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run and gun

idle blaze
#

you dont seem to kill much though with your kills

queen willow
#

wouldve been a waste

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could also risk getting sneaked by a mactera or a slasher

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and then what

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yk

idle blaze
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it can speed it up in the long run keeping the bugs under control so you can focus more on objective

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not first stage dd though but i think second stage dd first room is good to clear and also refining while theres nothing to do its always good to clear the room

queen willow
queen willow
idle blaze
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ah

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thats cool thank you

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bigger ones hit you though

queen willow
#

although be careful with the pretorian

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yes

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ab to say that

idle blaze
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and exploders

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haha

queen willow
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need to knock those guys down

queen willow
idle blaze
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i think im done with the normal deep dive for this week on the running side of things, ive done it 5 times now

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but i think the edd would be a good one to do because it would be nice to get a good edd time on the stats page

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and i dont think a faster edd is going to come around for a while

queen willow
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after mine? yeah

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gonna be a while

idle blaze
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no i mean

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the stages

queen willow
#

o

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right since there is no IS

idle blaze
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and why do you think its going to be a while?

queen willow
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not everyone can run times like mine im aware, i always get the common "cheater" comment so

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cheater = compliment

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(to me)

idle blaze
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do you think your dd time is good?

queen willow
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edd yes

idle blaze
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ill be interested to see if anyone beats it

queen willow
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the edd i did is 6 min per stage x 3

idle blaze
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how did you do the hiveguard?

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and where did you resup?

queen willow
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freeze missiles for bosco helped

woven osprey
#

wow stage 3 of the edd is brutal

queen willow
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m1000 helped with the hiveguard stages

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zhukovs cleaned up the sentinels

idle blaze
#

what overclocks?

woven osprey
#

I managed to solo stages 1 and 2, but I just instantly died to the welcoming party on stage 3

woven osprey
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engineer

idle blaze
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ouch

woven osprey
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I did not have the luxury of standing still for 2 seconds ever

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so I could not set up my turrets

queen willow
woven osprey
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I almost lost stage 2 in a dumb way

queen willow
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Voltaic stun sweeper

woven osprey
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died twice at the start of extraction

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and used my last 2 bosco revives

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but managed to escape

idle blaze
queen willow
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not sure

idle blaze
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what perks do you go because i cant decide what i like best for it

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dash is nice for the time saving in some situations

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but then i think berserk can be good for getting through dirt

grim wadi
#

i usually just run resupplier, thorns, vampire, or swapping out for born ready if a class could help with it, then always dash (unless scout then maybe heightened senses), and iron will (unless im gunner then field medic)

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ive tried to make berserk work, kinda handy especially with vampire, first issue was i really need an alternative way to trigger it, i often trigger it accidentally (found a mod to add a keybind but havent tried it)

cunning bronze
#

Yeah hope they add keybinds for perk abilities

idle blaze
#

@queen willow did you say youre going to record your edd?

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what was different ?

grim wadi
#

both deep dives have one, mentioned in the pin

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well the latest pin, regular reliable pin is missing updated info this week

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iz fine drillchamp

sinful steppe
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According to my first deep dive experiment

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Its fun

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very

queen willow
idle blaze
#

i never said i dont think its legit

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i wanna learn from it

dim lotus
#

has anyone made a mod that just generates new deep dives to play?

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that would be cool

grim wadi
#

ive not heard of it but that would be great yeah

twilit ice
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Whats the elite deep dive lookin like this week?

tacit jungle
#

medium spicy

gritty ember
#

Hey y'all, just wanted to pop in and see if anyone has this problem. So playing the game normally I can launch a mission and everyone who joins has great ping, no connection issues, but when I launch a deep dive, everyone who joins has around a thousand ping. I've verified the game files and they're fine, so I don't know what the problem is, anyone know anything?

foggy pilot
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People join games that are farther away for dds, because there arent that many open lobbies

placid musk
#

if you can cooperate and go fast you'll be fine

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and if luck fucks you so be it

rose yacht
#

current EDD is pretty smooth sailing

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as long as your miner knows what he's doin.

misty cosmos
#

lmao I just got stuck in solo deep dive bc silicate harvester pushed me into refinery

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any way I can escape?

rose yacht
#

uhhh die?

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bosco should revive u

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dead players are glitched out smh.

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or maybe its just me.

wraith shard
#

hi

outer mural
#

The last mission with rival presence was pain

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At least the turret controller was directly right of the drop pod

jovial shore
#

I have never done a deep dive before. How long is a deep dive?

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Also what is an elite deep dive?

uneven lichen
#

A deep dive is essentially 3 regular missions long

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An elite deep dive is the same as a normal deep dive but harder

lusty dew
# jovial shore I have never done a deep dive before. How long is a deep dive?

Depends on how competent you/your team is, could be 15 minutes if you speedrun, more likely it will be 30 minutes to an hour. Deep dives are 3 missions with two objectives each, back to back to back, at hazard 3, 3.5 and 3.5. Resources like Nitra, health, and ammo are shared between stages. Elite deep dives are pretty much the same but are hazard 4.5, 5 and 5.5.

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The first stage will award a blank core, the second a weapon overclock, and the third a cosmetic overclock, only one DD and one EDD per week though, they can't be farmed.

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Also outside of potentially a Huuli hoarder, regional resources do not spawn to prevent farming.

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Also to clarify, time spent heavily depends on the week

fast stratus
tall meadow
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Recommend these good players, they did it hard and fast

severe finch
#

Tried the Elite Deep Dive, got to the final stage and failed

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Gotta say, 2nd and 3rd stage are the perfect seeds to kill you

manic pivotBOT
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whole locust
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mushroom

brave dune
#

Why do I not have the deep for speed achievement?

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me and my friend did a deep dive, he got the achievement.

placid musk
#

i've lost a run where no betcs spawned

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but the game crammed a bulk and a nemesis into the last stage

mossy patio
#

Hahaha thats always fun

placid musk
#

did manage with a competent team

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i mostly play scout really conservatively so i think i had the second least downs on the winning run

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i beelined for the eggs

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thank god the wave spawned when i popped the first one

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that second egg is a recipe for disaster if you're a scout

severe finch
#

Mmm, weird

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Both the first and second run had the betc at the same spot for the second stage

tacit jungle
#

Sometimes you're the Safety Scout and your job is to get in the box without breaking your legs or getting your ass ate

alpine smelt
#

Mission 3 in Elite Deep Dive is pretty spicy. It's a lot of fun though.

#

I think my biggest tips are to...

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  1. Clear out the initial bugs that will attack you even as you drop pod is opening including the Spitball Infectors that will have overwatch on you. Look on the ledges above you.
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  1. When you exit the drop pod ramp, there's a ledge on the right that leads directly to the Turret Controller. Have the team clear the area and hack the Turret Controller ASAP.
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That will reduce the threat level immensely. Then it's just a matter of collecting the objectives in a timely manner.

placid musk
placid musk
alpine smelt
#

@placid musk It's become a standard practice for my squads to stay in the pod, setup turrets, then the scout goes out first and gives the all clear before we disembark.

unkempt dew
#

best beer for the DD?

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morkite might not be bad but like

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yeah

placid musk
#

since i play scout the most

alpine smelt
#

@placid musk You do have to have cooperative players, but that's something I have in spades since I'm a content creator.

cunning pond
#

Red rock is just the best beer in general because who doesn't benefit from a massive health boost

coarse wharf
#

Slayer Stout is good too

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5 second power attack cool down is nothing to scoff at

tacit jungle
#

the other pickaxe one is alright too, just lovingly tap each grunt in the snout

sweet cradle
#

What's a solid class to use for a team Elite Deep Dive?

#

I can't figure out anything decent to survive past the first portion of the Elite Deep Dive

runic relic
#

Whichever youre best at? Usually want one of each anyways, if its personal survival, prob gunner or very cowardly Scout

tall haven
#

Just finished this weeks EDD, it was a spicy meatball but also I found it super fun. Anyone else think so?

unique ore
#

it was decent, one of the easier weeks

tardy panther
#

Anybody got a good engi build for deep dives

placid musk
#

regulars give you room to explore

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or are you asking elites specifically

tardy panther
#

Or just like a complete meta build

#

Including perks

tall haven
#

Pretty much anything is viable in normal DD

tardy panther
#

EDD

placid musk
tall haven
#

Iron will and field medic don't hurt

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dash if you are proficient

placid musk
#

the third one is dependent on liking, i use money bags on medic

placid musk
tardy panther
#

Awesome

tall haven
#

field medic is more of a team player and dash helps with personal survivability

placid musk
#

weaponwise i would suggest explosive rounds lok1 + fatboy/bc for maximum aoe output

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i don't know the best bc OC though

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it's already strong without one

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there are builds for the lok1 specific to the OC online

#

people've made videos about it since it's so effective

tardy panther
#

Wats fat boy

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Lol

placid musk
tardy panther
#

Ok

placid musk
#

so your teammates don't have to deal with them

tall haven
#

Breach cutter light weight cases is a good generalist take

placid musk
#

pressure reliever

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i just got it and it felt pretty great to use

#

if you want single-target go for hyperprop on the grenade launcher or overdrive on the diffractor

tall haven
#

primary is kind of a toss up I think

#

I prefer the hog myself

placid musk
#

stabber vines for example

tall haven
#

I like MPA for the hog so accuracy is at least decent

tardy panther
#

Ooo fat boy is the gernade launcher

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Fuck I’m slow

tall haven
#

fatboy is kind of a trap, it isn't actually good single target

tardy panther
#

I really like the beech cutter

tall haven
#

always take both ammos with it

tardy panther
#

Copy

placid musk
#

the people who shoot a fat boy at a dread are dumb

tall haven
#

Same applies to the nade launcher in general

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unless you're taking hyper prop

cunning pond
#

Whenever I see someone shoot fat boy as a single target weapon.

I mean. I assume that's most casual players

placid musk
#

i just prepare for a shit-load of apologies when i use fatboy because i know i'll shoot one somewhere that fucks people over

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i actually try to micromanage the fatboy

tall haven
#

me occasionally confusing the grenade launcher and the shotgun cause I have frameworks and nuke the team

cunning pond
#

I don't apologize cause I've already decided I'm gonna be evil today if I'm using fat boy

placid musk
tall haven
#

I noticed that if you rail slide and exit it automatically equips weapon 2 I think

#

I dunno would have to look again

cunning pond
#

Look are the bright side guys

tall haven
#

but could lead to an error lol

cunning pond
#

I don't know what it is.
But if you can find it and look at it.
I hear you're supposed to feel better

tall haven
#

I think earlier in my EDD Engi shot hyper prop right into the back of scouts head

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was good fun

earnest fox
#

ineffcient 90% of the time

#

unless theres like 20 grunts in the same place

proud coral
#

or lootbugs

earnest fox
coarse wharf
#

If you use ECR on LOK-1 already, you are better off with a single-target DPS secondary like Hyper Prop PGL or Overdrive Booster Shard Diffractor

#

being able to melt a Warden or Menace that's far away can help

woeful niche
#

iv done hundreds of missions with fat boy and had ammo to spare. If ur constantly dry, you’re just using it in the wrong places

fossil tulip
#

I have never equipped fat boy and it will stay that way nice

hollow brook
fossil tulip
#

Correct

frail rapids
#

this weeks regular deep dive had some rough spots

#

i was playing gunner so that one segment with all the goo in the first stage was rough

kindred tangle
jolly obsidian
kindred tangle
#

not your teammates?

runic relic
burnt sandal
#

people don't have trigger discipline

woeful niche
#

ammo is for the weak

#

embrace the boom

oblique wren
#

I have been testing the fat-boy build and it is very viable in hazard 5. If you use the fatboy well you are a killing machine.

#

In my last game I killed about 1000 bugs in 28 minutes with fat-boy build. Also say that it was extraction (hazard 5-only) with enchanted cave and parasites, so possibly the deaths from them have doubled.

burnt sandal
#

just use LUREs with Fat Boy

#

shoot fat boy on a big group, throw a lure in the radiation cloud

#

enjoy and relax while the bugs die.

pliant yoke
#

The only time this is a bad idea is in REZ, because bugs there have radiation resist

burnt sandal
#

even then, it's still fairly efficient

#

it just won't kill swarmers

marble mango
#

anyone having trouble with the current deep dive elite's second phase?

jolly obsidian
lost dagger
#

2nd edd cave is scuffed

#

3rd one was so fun

#

Honestly perfect map for scout

rugged portal
#

I'll say driller

#

once you get up there it only the matter of throwing everything down

lost dagger
#

Right

#

But rocket jump scout makes it so easy

limpid dragon
#

Final stage of the elite dive really is a time bomb, after the 3rd swarm I feel like I can just put the controller down cause it's over

lost dagger
#

Getting rid of the rival bots is key

limpid dragon
#

Also the layout is very reminiscing of the aquarqs missions from one year ago, before they were modified

limpid dragon
#

Luckily haven't seen shredders, would've had a hard time against them with my build

lost dagger
#

I ran carbine special powder boomstick cryonade and breezed through it

marble mango
lost dagger
#

That's tough

marble mango
#

so:

  • first cave: dreadnought and hive guard (move to spawn if necessary)
  • second cave : do not by any means try to fight betc on the cave. pull back to the spawn if necessary
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5th tries but we kept dying to betc xD

lost dagger
#

Get betc for dreads

#

Yeah second cave is just awful

marble mango
#

so no special edge or kaiju vs kaiju xD

lost dagger
#

The second cave?

marble mango
#

so after spawn in second cave, first opening / room. she'll be there

lost dagger
#

Yeah ik luckily my team didn't trigger it

sinful tide
coarse wharf
hollow brook
#

rock and stone 🙂

wet sphinx
#

Rock and stone

wide forum
#

stone and rock

near acorn
#

rock n stone

neat lion
#

rock n stone

arctic ibex
#

Rock and Scone

lucid frost
#

did bet c spawn in every EDD for you guys? so far stage 2 i hear it again

lucid frost
#

4/7 aquarq
1/2 gegg
gg for the night rocknstone

dense pebble
#

Its not guaranteed but it is likely

vale fulcrum
#

are the EDDs the same for pc and ps?

#

also

#

this weeks EDD was impossible

old widget
#

the big picture stuff (biomes, objectives, modifiers for each DD/EDD stage) are the same between PC and console. but the cave generation itself can vary, console cavegen is a little different than PC (I've heard this is because of limited RAM on consoles vs PC)

dense pebble
#

As for the EDD, its doable. If you’re having issues, people post their runs on YT, or you can find a group here in one of the #928582985559736360 channels

tiny portal
#

the bet c on stage 2 is killing

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together with lethal enemies

#

phew

still geode
#

i just brought exec lok1 hyperprop and bet-c got murdered in 2 seconds

old widget
#

Damn, that’s some single target damage engiapproves

north hearth
#

the dreadnought when it sees me with executioner and the death star

flint prism
#

anyone keen to do a deep dive?

placid musk
#

got obliterated by overlapping swarms once we were in the final cave, with the driller ignoring my cries of "BUILD A BUNKER"

#

i still beat it though, by the 5th try the team just focused the betc and beat the shit out of it in the span of a minute

coral pond
#

holy fuck this dive was complete aids

rugged portal
#

just take care of the turret controller early and the rest is mostly free

coral pond
#

3 guys went down trying to get to the turret controller

#

we still got it, and all the aquarqs, then 1 egg

#

then 2 back to back swarms and 7 exploders on me as the final iron will

#

but thank you for such amazing advice

rugged portal
#

me and mini mostly just stay inside after a bit to kill part of the swarm tho

#

when i start hacking he was downed in the small part next to the minehead so I don't have much bug on me to hack the controller

#

kinda help that you can get all the aquarq right on the "second" floor too

#

and for the eggs i just use c4 to pop both

coral pond
#

The beginning part wasn't really the problem, considering we got past that. It was everything else after that that was aids. first egg we pulled was a swarm and by the time we finished that we got another swarm and things just spiraled

rugged portal
#

yeah you want to pop 2 eggs at once since bug limit

#

also if possible just stay on the minehead beam and just deal with ranged enemy

#

we got a bulk so we had to run away

round cedar
#

My wife and I almost beat EDD last stage a few days ago, and then after we turned everything in except the eggs, we got fucked. I pulled my egg and she pulled hers and a detonator spawned in front of me, cutting off my exit

#

died in 3s

#

Not doing the EDD again this week

#

I can live without the OC cosmetic lol

coral pond
placid musk
#

i tried it 5 times and finally beat it with a bunch of greybeards

#

we got the dreads in 10 mins, cryo reigns supreme

placid musk
rugged portal
#

we totally calculated that

placid musk
#

i did nothing stage 3 except dunk cryo nades onto stuff

rugged portal
#

I ran like sticky flames + explosive reload through the whole thing since i thought i might need it more than cryo in the last stage but ended up just using it on bugs

placid musk
#

crpsr is a big trap since the rival presence isn't that, y'know, present

#

the turret controller makes it a lot easier

rugged portal
#

yeah lol

#

mini ended up carrying the boss in the first stage since I don't have much for dread

placid musk
#

i just went sludge as drill but failed miserably trying to haul the asses of 3 people even greener than me

rugged portal
#

scout

placid musk
#

ah ok

rugged portal
#

bom with firebolt or smt

placid musk
#

oooh nice

lean mantle
#

Going through the deep dive solo and I've learned that haz 3 unknown terror doesn't 1 shot somehow

#

Granted it was the edge of the blast zone, but still

#

I'm probably way too used to haz 5 if this is a surprising fact to me lmao

vale drum
#

LFG Deep Dive (Scout or Eng)

rose yacht
#

i mean, they could easily dig underground and get the controller.

#

without any kind of danger.

marble mango
flint orchid
#

i just got embedded detonators

south sparrow
#

anyone wanna team up for the deep dive and elite deep dive??

flint orchid
#

does the amount of bullets u put into a target matter?

sinful tide
#

When do deep dives refresh?

coarse wharf
#

Thursday 7 PM (GMT 8+)

#

Basing it off of Singapore time

#

@sinful tide

sinful tide
#

Aw man

coarse wharf
#

you still have plenty of time if you haven't done it yet

#

busy with schoolwork, so I haven't done it yet

sinful tide
#

I did

south sparrow
#

won't let me dm you bro, join pod 15

#

@marble mangojoin pod 15 man

leaden steeple
#

how hard is the edd this week?

#

lethal on 3 could be painful

marble mango
south sparrow
marble mango
#

can add me if you want

south sparrow
marble mango
south sparrow
#

aight

autumn egret
#

Did my first EDD, got downed 19 times lol

severe tusk
#

I have seen worse 😉

hoary void
#

Me and two friends did an EDD as three gunners. It was one of the harder ones from a few weeks back. We had multiple attempts and on the final one we had over 20 downs and revives each, but we won in the end!

marble mango
#

I lost count but i believe im on the 15th tries rn

autumn egret
marble mango
#

I made it to the third phase once

autumn egret
#

the second phase was where we lost it the first time around after a swarm dropped on top of us while bet-c was chasing us back to spawn

#

but we avoided Bet-c in both phases the second time round and it worked out

marble mango
marble mango
#

better for your ammo ig

autumn egret
#

ye

#

and yeah lol, second phase we decided to bunker for the swarm, i had sludge pump and the gunner had incendiary nades

#

it didnt take long for a bulk to show up and almost kill us all

#

good thing i had an emergency tunnel ready to breach out of

marble mango
#

oh nvm

autumn egret
marble mango
#

xD

autumn egret
#

lmao

marble mango
#

LMAO xD

autumn egret
#

the panic was real

marble mango
autumn egret
#

avoid if possible

marble mango
rigid sorrel
#

Is it possible to rejoin a deep dive server if you disconnect

woeful garden
old widget
#

Nah rejoins are possible. Just finicky like all rejoins. I crashed last EDD and rejoined to host just fine after restarting game.

rose yacht
#

gderp Bet C + lethal isn't that difficult if you have a driller with a goo gun.

dense pebble
#

Or just kill it quick.

#

My team managed it in 20 seconds

wind arch
dusty nexus
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That third section of the EDD is pretty tough when leaving the drop pod, all them turrets with a spitball in the distance. Just me and the driller stuck in the lifepod using up all our ammo trying to get em all. Then a swarm turned up as we were leaving

rugged berry
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Anyone doing deep dives

rocky ferry
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What are some tips for this elite or just elites in general? I've got 3 bronze in each of my classes but main engie. However me and my friends are struggling quite a bit to get into EDDs

rugged portal
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what do you have problem with in edd

rocky ferry
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i mean in general we just seem to be dying a lot. maybe its just an issue of practice but we take lots of damage early on from hordes. Last weeks second stage was as far as we've ever gotten and that was brutal. This weeks first was easier to figure out but we died at the hiveguard and I'm wondering if there are ways we could be improving in general. i.e. moving faster, coordinating defense better, killing dreadnaughts faster

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truthfully any tips help

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maybe there's just something obvious i've overlooked

old widget
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Just play play play, and don’t be discouraged. Bronze 3 is still learning the ropes.

95% of staying alive in DRG is positioning. Try loading into a Haz5 mission and simply kite. Shoot the minimum amount of things to stay alive and focus on not getting hit. PE works well as bugs are constantly generating. Maybe load into an Elimination mission and pop the dread egg and learn its attack cycles and movement. Always, always, always be moving and watch for bugs sneaking behind you. If you get bit even once, the bugs are too close, so use power attack and/or Dash perk to let you reposition. Eventually, with practice, it will become second nature.

Also, wear a good set of headphones and you’ll learn to hear bugs coming from beyond your field of view - the game has great positional audio (even with simple stereo) and unique audio cues for every bug.

rocky ferry
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Bronze three is still learning the ropes huh? Well I cant wait to see what having learned all the ropes looks like for me. I figured this would be the answer to just play more. I guess I just wondered if there was anything easily overlooked by greenbeards. Thanks for the tips I'll have to practice

pliant yoke
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What I personally can recommend is watching other folks play, especially in Solo situations. I learn the game by chewing through good content and then put my observations to practice

brazen pasture
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This elite dive is literally unreal

marble mango
marble mango
pliant yoke
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But primarily AxisKronos, because I generally agree with the way he handles and comprehends certain resources in-game

coral pond
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LazyMaybe is great for breaking down weapons, weapon mods, and overclocks

rocky ferry
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ive definitely looked at breakdowns of weapons and loadouts for higher hazards from both of them so that helps a lot

brazen pasture
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I've decided that the EDD is impossible

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I've tried it around 10 times now

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and i'm slowly losing my mind

severe tusk
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Both of those guys have really good information to learn from. AxisKronos kind of speedruns everything, which is a playstyle you don't have to emulate to do well. Being able to do things quickly is helpful when resources are tight, but for most people when you try to do things too fast you can also get careless and make mistakes. While I am not slow, I just play the game to chill, so I don't speedrun. Do what is fun for you, but just make sure your teammates are on the same page if you are wanting to rush things.

For those who do find themselves dying a lot my top recommendation is probably just to always keep moving and jumping, especially when swarms are around you. Find large areas to fight in so that you can kite. Dash is a great bailout skill and can even operate through getting slowed by slashers and the like. When you go down or fail a mission take a few moments to think about what went wrong and how you could have done something differently to survive. Every game of DRG is unique, but you find yourself in familiar situations frequently. So the more situations you can figure out the solutions to, the higher your win rate will become in the future.

When playing Gunner, get used to using your shield preemptively before you and your team would take damage, not just as a means to safely revive someone. It's a super powerful tool. As Scout, practice grappling over swarms during fights constantly to reposition and rarely get hit and Illuminate chambers! Engineer can set up strong defenses with turrets and proximity mines when you need to hold an area or just fight off a swarm. You can use his platforms to ward off bugs from approaching from certain directions. Driller can terraform areas with his drills and C4 to make them more wide open and easier to fight in. There are a ton of little nuances to the game you pick up as you play and get more experience, but focus on doing the things I mentioned, and you should soon become a lot more successful.

modern nacelle
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And ALWAYS stick together

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Though maybe not within pickaxe distance

fickle wyvern
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how much difference in difficulty is half a hazard level?

tiny portal
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Apparently a lot

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Because haz 4 missions are piss easy

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And elite deep dives are quite rough

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which should be haz 4.5

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Honestly elite deep dive just feels like haz 5

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And normal deep dive like haz 3

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Not 4.5 and 3.5

burnt sandal
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and normal DD cap at 3.5

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but EDD cap at 5.5

tiny portal
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Ah

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That makes sense

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It said 3.5 and 4.5 on steam

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Thats why it confused me

tiny portal
burnt sandal
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so there you go

tiny portal
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In stage order?

burnt sandal
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yes

tiny portal
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Cool thx

burnt sandal
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np engiapproves

grim wadi
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anyone ever had randoms join your lobby after your pub deep dive ends? its weird, we were done and were half afk and then found some random just chilling in there lol

old widget
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yeah, when you return to rig after a dive as host, your session will show up in the server list as "no mission selected" like any other hosted public session without a mission selected, some folks join those open lobbies I guess, maybe based on ping

grim wadi
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ahhhhh ok ty, weirddd

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in the deep dive list or normal server list?

old widget
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normal list

grim wadi
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gotcha

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TIL

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i guess i i could quickly start a private game after to lock it down

old widget
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you might be able to just hit ESC and tick Friends Only in the bottom left, can't recall if that box is available in the rig tho

grim wadi
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hmm same

marble mango
severe tusk
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You actually get very little XP/resources when you fail missions, but there's nothing wrong with challenging yourself. Having loadouts that you like can make a huge difference too, obviously.

brazen pasture
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This EDD is making me questiion my sanity

placid musk
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we took both dreads into the larger room with the black box, more space to maneuver around

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stage 1 is very simple, no need to speed

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2 + 3 is when you need to go fast

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stage 2 is basically don't trigger the betc

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if the swarm starts on egg1, cramp into the tunnel connecting the 2 layers and dump grenades into the horde

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if the swarm starts on egg2, get the mork, dep the egg and let your light classes run for their lives