deep-dive-discussion

[rugged portal]

also big damage debuff

[dense pebble]

Obviously you’re free to use and enjoy it

But its not for me

[still geode]

none of these numbers matter because aggressive venting still kills everything

[dense pebble]

Especially since I prefer to use leadstorm at midrange.

[rugged portal]

aggressive venting enjoyer spending 10 second overheating just to ignite 5 bugs

[dense pebble]

Which also makes aggressive venting a bad choice for me

I did try it but it doesn’t fit my playstyle at all

[grim wadi]

thats how it feels imo, like im wasting ammo just to get the damn thing to go off finally

goes against my playstyle

[dense pebble]

I use hot bullets though.

[rugged portal]

even on burning hell it better to take hot bullet

[grim wadi]

yeah i like that one

[still geode]

ofc its better to take it on burning hell

[dense pebble]

I need so many OCs man

I’m so glad forging mastery is a thing

Anyways I’ll give six shooter explosive neuro bullets a try

It seems like a good idea.

[old widget]

worth a shot. neuro proc might be too low to be effective

[fleet stream]

frag missiles is a really damn good oc

imho one of the better hurricane ones

tier 1 aoe saves you a tonne of ammo and stuns / kills a lot of bugs with 3/4 missiles

[foggy harness]

Honestly, trying it out, it has a lot of added utility. It's amazing at clearing out swarmers, and it lets you know where other bugs are at. A bullet flying behind me has saved my ass a lot of times lol

[old widget]

Yeah, not really having to aim with BH is pretty nice

[foggy harness]

The only real issue with the OC is how ammo hungry it is.

[still geode]

and thats where AV/grenades/your secondary come in

a secondary that deals well with high HP targets (because bullet hell sucks at dealing with single targets ammo efficiently), aggressive venting to clear out a ton of enemies for no additional ammo cost once you overheat, and you can combine bullet hell + stun to group enemies up and then murder them all with one grenade

[foggy harness]

You definitely should not be using bullet hell on anything with a high hp total Tho. Build your secondary around that.

Also, just saying, the mole OC is amazing. Needs more credit than it gets. There's always terrain around you can get behind and pop a big target with it.

[still geode]

if you can manage to either shoot something and still bounce shots into a praet/oppressor or shoot the praet/oppressor while bouncing shots into something else it's not too bad, but yeah shooting a single praet/oppressor/bulk when there's no bouncing going on is a complete waste

generally praets aren't a major issue for bullet hell though cuz they get stunned anyway and aggressive venting opens up a ton of space and fears them so you can pull out your sidearm and kill the tough stuff after you overheat

[foggy harness]

Might change up my bullet hell OC build and see how you're doing it.

[still geode]

i usually run 32211

32221 feels a bit more comfortable but performs noticeably worse

you rarely have to spin it up anyway since you're not really killing stuff fast enough to run out of targets + you want to overheat it for AV as soon as you can

[foggy harness]

I tend to bunny hop with my minigun, so I never really get it fully revved, let alone have it overheat

By the time it gets in the high red, whatever I was shooting at is gone.

[still geode]

i bunnyhop a lot with this too but you have enough cc that you have more than enough room to get it spinning up

[foggy harness]

Cc?

[still geode]

crowd control

it simply stuns everything

have to swap targets a lot though to spread the stuns out a bit

general priority is to shoot slashers in the face because you want those to actually die in case they ever get unstunned, and similar for ranged stuff like acid spitters, but otherwise just focus on whatever got closest to open up space until AV wipes crowds

haz5+ is where the build starts to work properly, below that swarms often don't have enough bugs to overheat the gun and still have a swarm left to kill with AV, so ammo efficiency is noticeably worse on haz4

but it's also haz4 so you'll be completely fine anyway

sometimes you do get to use it in haz4 4p situations if your team is dead and you're fighting a 4p swarm on your own

its definitely not as strong as builds like NTP but what i really like about it is that even when you have a dozen bugs breathing down your throat, it'll keep you alive with the stun

and when the gun overheats, it keeps you alive with aggressive venting

and if you're still not safe, you can put down a shield, which lets you spin the gun up and start stunning stuff again, overheat it again, and have your shield come off cd again

and that constant loop of various sources of safety allows it to recover from near team wipe scenarios even when cornered in a death pit full of slashers

[marble token]

I have never tried AV
I should really try

[foggy harness]

Just had the most insane deep dive mission

Sure, it was #2, but I could not find the aquargs so I was in there for.... Wayyy too long for an aquarg mission

So, by the time I would clear one swarm, another swarm would come.

Had one death, thank God I had iron will.

Killed 543 enemies.

I'll try to beat this third stage, but I already Got what i wanted from this deep dive

Thank God I chose my super ammo efficient build lmfao

[chilly tinsel]

Does the EDD get harder the longer you're in the dive, or is that just for aquarq missions?

[random fox]

Is anyone up for an edd, I have done my this week

Haven't

[foggy harness]

It was a normal deep dive, but still. Yeah, aquarg missions have the highest time - > swarm scaling I'm pretty sure

[foggy harness]

I should note there were no small swarmers the entire mission

So this was just a crowd of regenerating web spitters, guards, grunts, slashers, praetorians, trijaws, and oppressors

And God were there a lot of oppressors and web spitters.

[coral pond]

it's just point extractions. the longer you're in, the faster bugs spawn. It's a battle of attrition and you're destined to lose if you don't leave

[round cedar]

wtf did they like silently patch this game within the past two days and buff the shit out of the difficulty? This is crap. Have been able to do H5 with my wife, doing the elite deep dives with her, beat them. Now all of the sudden we can't even get nitra and turn in

There are just non-stop fucking swarms of bugs that never end

[formal harbor]

fuck that one liquid morkite well specifically
you know which one i'm talking about

[dapper cypress]

anyone looking to do the EDD?

[old widget]

Couple of possibilities - there’s some RNG to enemy wave strength and variety that can roll very strong sometimes in a given map, and I’ve also seen cases where certain extra bugs/extra difficulty mods don’t get fully disabled.

Or it could just be PE and you’re taking too long

[stable drum]

hey sorry to bother, but when do deep dives reset? I hear that the times are different in different places

[dapper cypress]

believe its Thursday mornings

[round cedar]

I appreciate the response! I have never installed a mod for the game as of yet. I could see possibly the RNG being a factor. We played on H5 for almost a week and won most of the games. Don't get me wrong, we were struggling in spurts throughout each mission, but it never felt impossible.

Last night and tonight have been impossible. The major difference I feel is all of the sudden we can't even mine nitra. There are just non-stop waves. As soon as we kill a wave, a swarm spawns. We kill the swarm, head out to the spot we last saw with nitra and as we are getting to it, two mini hordes spawn

then the next mission, we get a destructoid spawn at the beginning, several mini swarms, and as we are dealing with the destructoid, it spawns a freaking nemesis on our heads

and then we are kiting and the bugs never stop and we never get to mine anything

put it to H4 and the same thing - bugs just never stop spawning

I have to dedicatedly sit and watch my wife mine as I shoot the never ending wave after wave of bugs

[woeful glen]

this week edd is just hard

[round cedar]

funny enough this week's elite deep dive is the one my wife and I completed fine

but regular play ever since has been absolute garbage

on H5

[void stump]

Not as bad as last week

[woeful glen]

last week is ez

ok

i want more edd like this

[void stump]

This week is just easy

Honestly industrial sabotage just ruins everything

[coral pond]

this week's is easier than last week's

[void stump]

Yeah I was surprised that someone would say that this week’s edd is harder than last week’s

I needed all of my revives just to make it through the last stage of last week’s edd

[woeful glen]

prob bc i play scout

[round cedar]

is scout weak?

[void stump]

I was playing scout too, BoM + fire bolt (pheromones bolt) + pheromones nades trivialises everything, crowds and big things alike

[void stump]

Oh hell no

[woeful glen]

i run emb detonator and hipster

[woeful glen]

what that

[void stump]

What

Bullets of mercy?

[coarse wharf]

far from it

Scout is very strong

[woeful glen]

in my edd we have 2 scout 1 driller and 1 engi

and engi run chem round and butter while driller run flamethrower

[woeful glen]

can you share build

[void stump]

I just solo EDDs, sick of waiting for ages for teammates, and getting paired up with green beards

[void stump]

31212

[woeful glen]

what about bolt

[void stump]

12111

[woeful glen]

why would you use bom while you didn't put them into burn or frozen?

[void stump]

Fire bolt ignite bugs what are you on?

Pheromones proc bullet of mercy as well

[woeful glen]

huh it didn't said that in karl

[void stump]

https://youtu.be/iRtP_A225_4

Just skip to the bullet of mercy segment

[woeful glen]

so you choose dart at tanky right

[void stump]

Yeah, I would usually pheromone dart big bugs, then followed up with two to three fire bolts

And see the entire pack lighting up

[woeful glen]

i rarely place scout lol

mostly just playing hover clock and emb detonator

[void stump]

That build is good for multi player, but probably can’t keep up with the crowds in solo EDDs seeing the ammo count

Fire bolt is probably the most efficient way for solo scouts to clean up hordes

Seeing how 1 mere arrow can burn a huge group of spooders

[woeful glen]

i have your build but idk how to use lol

also fire arrow only 9?

that so low

[void stump]

27

Pheromones is the one that comes at 9

[woeful glen]

ok

so what if there's 20 bug horde coming you use pheromone nade right

then you light it up

[void stump]

Yes

Or just fire 1 or 2 extra bolts and let heat spread does it job

[coarse wharf]

Bepsi's build is solid, another bread and butter Scout build would be 23221 / 23223 Hipster M1K, 32111 Fire/Taser Bolt Boltshark and Cryo Grenade

Hipster M1K pretty much trivializes any enemy in the game, you can shoot Shellbacks like they have no armour, Fire Bolt Nishanka for swarm clearing, Taser Bolts for slowing big threats down to a crawl, Cryo Grenades for frozen status (3x damage, instantly kill Mactera/Naedocyte Breeders/disables on-death triggers/stops enemies from moving or doing anything)

[void stump]

Just don’t throw cryo nades to a burning crowd

[coarse wharf]

yep

Fire Bolts have good synergy with Gunners running Volatile Bullets, Engis with Electro-Chemical Rounds upgrade on LOK-1, Drillers using Corrosive Sludge Pump

Fire/Taser Bolts Boltshark trivializes Nemesis too

just slow it to a crawl with 2 Taser Bolts and then shoot roughly 10 Fire Bolts at it

[rose yacht]

Firebolts are great in solo's.

but in teams... i doubt it will work since your squad will murder em before the firebolt could ignite em.

better to just bring cryo.

[void stump]

I WAS sharing a SOLO build

[woeful glen]

it still works

just tried pump mission

i clutch myself while three others down for two time with it

very strong build

[rose yacht]

[woeful glen]

problem i have with hipster with emb is swarm

hard to clear tbh

and being scout means i have to res people

so pheromone bolt is good distraction for it

[lethal hazel]

Got promoted for the first time recently and haven't tried a deep dive. Anything you guys recommend knowing/any tips before I try one?

[round cedar]

remove all perks

you get a debuff for each one equipped

[lethal hazel]

LOL

[round cedar]

lol

[lethal hazel]

Is the ingame mm fine for it though?

Have been very intimidated to try them and not really sure if I should go for it or not. I've mainly been playing Haz 3 + 4, haven't unlocked 5 yet so no idea if I'd be good there

[round cedar]

mm?

oh match making

[lethal hazel]

Matchmaking

Ye

[round cedar]

not sure; never tried it

always play with my wife or solo

[fluid cliff]

yeah the basic deep dive is cake

you’ll be fine

[lethal hazel]

Awesome ty

[cunning pond]

Deep Dives are about haz3
Elite Deep Dives are about haz5.

If you can do normal missions at those levels consistently you'll be fine.

All dives have the same seed for the week so if you fail you can try the dive again and it'll be pretty much the same cave again so you can prepare.

Basically groundhog day it.

[lethal hazel]

Fantastic thanks! I haven't wiped a haz3 yet so I should be ok. Might LFG here for haz5 then if I ever do those 🙂

[coarse wharf]

Fire Bolt clears out swarmers fine, you don't need Hipster M1K for that Didn't read carefully, mb

[placid musk]

haz3 is very chill. haz4 admittedly is my sweet spot as most my deaths feel fair and i can have a bit more breathing room

[still geode]

what mission type was this?

certain mission types (such as eggs or point extraction) have cave layouts where you may need to immediately deal with the enemies that spawned on map creation as soon as you leave the pod, and doing so slowly can certainly result in having issues finding nitra fast enough

some missions, for example salvage, have additional wave triggers upon specific actions, which can result in a huge quantity of waves all stacking up on eachother if you explore recklessly and trigger all these various waves too quickly

[rose yacht]

aiiieee

[hard tendon]

Triggering hoards?

Shrimply run the fat boy

It's viable I swear

[queen rampart]

Oh no. A swarm!
Pull of fat boy
Let me introduce them my little friend.

[random rampart]

@lethal hazel to extend on this, regular deep dives' hazard levels go 3/3.5/3.5 and the elite one's go 4.5/5/5.5

So if you want a smooth experience in an edd, itll be convenient for you to have some experience in haz 4 and 5

[cunning pond]

That's correct but.

I usually don't like telling people the decimal point levels.
It really just makes things more complicated in most cases.

Honestly any hard generation is like a 3.5 and any easy generation makes it like haz 2.5 so really all you need to know is haz3 and haz5 since well.

That is the average. So it'll be your average experience.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[coarse wharf]

<@&296918282403840000> Houston, we got a problem

idk how that got changed to a name instead of a role

[tired umbra]

This weeks elite deep dive was brutal wasn't it? I tried twice and couldn't beat the second stage times.. although both times i also had multiple people dc as we entered those stages

[meager stag]

this deep dive first stage has like 75 nitra total or something

[tired umbra]

We called like 3 resupplies on stage one

[coral pond]

The dc's suck, but it's a pretty easy dive all things considered. Using 3 resupplies on stage 1 is... questionable, to say the least

The second stage is the only hard part, and that's purely cause low o2 and shit well spawns

[rose dragon]

A friend carried me on my first Elite Deep Dive the other day
20 downs lmfao

Liquid Morkite + Low Oxygen = pain

[coral pond]

Nah it's usually fine, it all just depends on the well spawns. Refinery and aquarq are like the best missions to deal with low o2

[rose dragon]

True that staying on the same spot makes it more bearable but the spawns were horrible

The refinery spawned in a hole lmao

Thank God resupplies have Oxygen tho

[tired umbra]

Well we only needed 2 but someone called one right before we left! Sure we needed the resupply but we could have saved it for next stage

[coral pond]

Ah. Yeah that should've been saved for the start of the next mission. If you're fast enough in the first mission, you can get through it with 1 resupply, or not even 1

[vale knot]

I beat the edd

now I'm done with this week

[tired umbra]

We had someone dc i should add and got our butts handed to use with bad spawns, there was like 5 oppressor's, litterally like 200 regular glyphids out and about, 7 trijaws and 2 mactera grabbers (all during the first swarm of stage 2) as we kept going down to just our scout who can't survive 2 grabbers

The classes that wasn't scout would be swarmed the second we revived due to lack of mobility, even if we killed a ton of them quickly (like i was as driller due to my build being anti swarm) i would go down in the same spot i was revived due to so many bugs

And even if the scout cleared the bugs for a revive he would be out of o2 by that point and have to go back for more and by the time hes back we were swarmed again

[rose dragon]

This is why I run Dash with Gunner

(Sorry ping ;-; )

And yeah a resupply would've made all the difference there, especially for the O2 to keep y'all alive

[coral pond]

Spending some extra time in the drop pod to clear out the initial wave is very handy. Although idk what exactly y'all went through, usually spawns aren't that quick unless you're in a PE for too long

[tired umbra]

PE?

[untold saddle]

Point Extraction

[tired umbra]

Well a reminder the oil rig is also with egg extraction, our scout mined one of the eggs suddenly

Causing the swarm to spawn

We litterally had only called a single pump jack by that point

[untold saddle]

This deep dive gets a lot easier with a decent driller

and calling resuplies at every pumpjack also helps for O2 management

[tired umbra]

Our driller was dead, so was i the gunner

The engineer suddenly had bathroom issues and left before stage 2

[untold saddle]

It happens

[tired umbra]

The first time I tried this i was the driller! We had 3 gunners

And the most incompetent team I had ever met

Like they spent 7 minutes bickering on if we should fight the dreadnaught first, hack the power stations first or fight the nemisis we heard in the caves first

Eventually i just shot the dreadnaught egg

[untold saddle]

If they argue, just start it

I do think the rival explosion instakills the dread

But I haven't tested it

[tired umbra]

Also one of them dc'd right after the dreadnaught fight and another dc'd during the loading screen to stage 2

[dense pebble]

Yeah that sounds like a bad time

Just try again ig.

[coral pond]

Ah, the scout pulling the egg early was information i was missing and very importabt. That explains a lot

[tired umbra]

Yeah sorry i didn't think about it being important but i realize now it is

[coral pond]

It does, as long as the dread isn't invulnerable(idk about classic with his shield thing though). Twins are a little fucky since they could dig at a bad time but you'll get at least 1 of them more often than not

[steel python]

I can confirm that an invincible hiveguard dreadnought can be instantly killed by a detonator explosion

[coral pond]

Yeah, sounds like you got stuck with an impatient player who decided to do stuff when y'all weren't prepared. And the dc's really do suck

[coral pond]

Not detonator, caretaker

[tired umbra]

During the first stage the team split up into 2 and did both power stations at the same time according to the scout "we know what we are doing" when i was like "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" i didn't know how it would go with double swarm.. it was fine

[steel python]

Here's to hoping for nice missions tomorrow

[coral pond]

Running both hack-c's at the same time is the best way to speed up a sabo, cause otherwise you're spending ~30 minutes each time. And thanks to enemy spawn limits, it's really not that bad to do

[tired umbra]

I didn't know there was a spawn limit

[grim wadi]

yeah 60 afaik

[coral pond]

60 enemies and 60 swarmers/naedocytes(idkcif the small guys are differentiated from each other)

[warped veldt]

almost every driller build should also be able to solo all of that

[grim wadi]

oh yeah true, i was JUST looking at some custom difficulties and they do seem to differentiate between 'enemies' and 'swarmers', theres also max active 'critters' https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Corosauce/47d13f83febe9803327b3bd2d07674be/raw/ea1188ebaec8016248f45edfc58d494d448a5c0b/gistfile1.txt but those might just be ambient passive spawns

[timid elbow]

This is why I run pheromone bolts as Scout. Hit 1 or 2 oppressors with bolts, you get a ton of breathing room to revive your team while the bugs kill each other (follow up the pheromone with a fire or cryo bolt & they kill themselves faster too).

[thick pond]

What are the missions for this weeks elite deep dive??

Or how do you check??

[quiet mortar]

Check pinned ^^

[thick pond]

Ty

[quiet mortar]

np ^^

[dusk shell]

engineer seems a little too overpowered since they're a very good jack of all trades with a tool for almost every occasion

anyone else think so or do I just need to play more till i get solid overclocks?

[rugged portal]

Real

[meager pasture]

frozen armpit gave me a special hatred for spitters

[dense pebble]

This honestly

[marble token]

I swear to god I tough I was doing the normal deep dive but I was doing the edd lmao

didnt notice until I went back to the deep dive terminal

[brisk spear]

engineer has powerful weapons sure but he lacks good sustained firepower without sacrificing large portions of his ammo, and in lower difficulties or vanilla hazards in general it's hard to see engineer's weakness actually comes from the fact that he is a jack of all trades master of none: in a team where each player specializes for a purpose, what do you do with a generalist? And again, there isn't really any incentive to have people specialize in their roles in vanilla difficulties because they aren't hard enough to really justify that level of specializiation

[cunning pond]

Lmao.
Better take than the guy who said engi is bad cause he's not good af anything and can be replaced by any class

[brisk spear]

I'm pretty sure I know exactly who you're talking about and what they actually said. I don't agree that engineer is not good at anything, but I do think he is the easiest to replace if you were to double up on one class in a team of 4 (Alternatively, he would be the easiest to leave out on a team of 3).

Engineer can kind of do anything, but he's not strong enough to do everything, if you get what I mean. Which is where that weakness I mentioned earlier comes from.

[coral pond]

Would rather lose an engi than a scout tbh, regular flashlight brightness is shit

[cunning pond]

I would still prefer 2 engis over 2 scouts as long as you have 1 competent scout. But that's my take.

[brisk spear]

And when I say easiest to replace, I only mean you'd feel the impact of losing them the least compared to the other 3.

[brisk spear]

But then you're losing a driller or gunner, so now you have to choose between one of those

[dense pebble]

I’d rather not lose those

[cunning pond]

Then I'm losing the gunner in my game cause I'm crazy

[dense pebble]

Just do EDD Caretaker with 4 drillers

No balls

[cunning pond]

If I had a choice between no balls and any caretaker with 4 drillers its an easy decision.

[dense pebble]

No ice spear allowed

[brisk spear]

sludge blast banned

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[candid edge]

Does higher projectile velocity on the pgl make it do more direct damage or just make it move faster?

[coral pond]

move faster

[candid edge]

I see, I'm just trying to decide if I want faster projectile for hyper propellant

[icy ledge]

Man I just got really happy. I thought today was Tuesday, but this made me realize…

It’s Wednesday

[vagrant cipher]

Sometimes it goes through the enemy dealing no damage with hyper prop with the ping

fire doesnt decrease the hyper props damage

[wheat gull]

I've only ever used it with the Fatboy OC, personally.

[candid edge]

I do wish I got the fatboy but I don't think I should be trusted with a weapon of that capabilites

[vagrant cipher]

You gotta have patience with fatboy, sometimes some people save the ammo for too long or too short with only 4-5 ammo

[elfin mural]

Running 21121 Cycle overload for the Warthog and 21213 VIR for the Shard Diffractor. Good or bad??
Was thinking of giving this week's deep dive a run before it swapped over.

Also running SSG's and only 1 turret (2132)

[devout bear]

Do you only get matrix core rewards from the first time you run a deep dive and have to wait until they reset or can you grind them?

[elfin mural]

I think you have to wait but I'm not certain

[icy ledge]

That’s a common engi build I run. Too lazy to check upgrades but it looks good

[icy ledge]

One set per DD

[elfin mural]

Awesome

[icy ledge]

As a note though- you more so want to use your VIR as your “primary” because of how it plays. Spray it around walls to light bugs on fire, and mostly try to get those kills with bio mass converter to get it running. Then if a big enemy shows up you can spray about 60 pellets into its weak point and do big damage

[coarse wharf]

Run 21132 Hyper Prop PGL

Homebrew Explosive is bugged and won't work with Incendiary Compound

[elfin mural]

Would the +100 ammo be better instead of the +2 Damage in Tier 1?

[elfin mural]

Isn't Armor Breaking on the PGL bugged too?

[coarse wharf]

If you want to get more mileage out of VIR, VIR's damage should be unaffected by damage/radius mods. I personally run 31213 VIR Shard Diffractor if using Warthog, or 31211 with Stubby

[coarse wharf]

Yes

Pretty sure the numbers I mentioned are for ammo/ammo/heat/stun/damage

[elfin mural]

Yep that's it
Actually the build I have on my Hyper Prop setup, but 1 instead of 3 for t4, but didn't realized it was bugged. So now it's fixed

[coarse wharf]

For Dreads, you can take 21012 Hyper Prop PGL if you have someone running freeze

like... the third tier slot can be left empty lmfao

[coral pond]

what kind of recommendation is that

[elfin mural]

The third tier has Heat Conversion, Armor Breaking (bugged), and Projectile Speed

[coarse wharf]

1 is bad if you have cryo in your team comp, 2 is bugged to shit, 3 can sometimes be bugged to shit by not registering

[coral pond]

1 is only bad if you and your cryo user are not coordinated at all

otherwise it's the hyperprop damage and a temp shock

[coarse wharf]

yes, but if you run with folks who have some burst damage too, it's best not to screw them over

But if you run pubs that are generally not so coordinated, then yes.

[elfin mural]

That sounds like heaven, given that a direct hyper prop shot can just despawn Menaces from existence instantly

[coarse wharf]

I should have probably clarified, but Dingus is correct too

[coral pond]

what's better burst against a dread when they're only frozen for like barely a second and vs hyperprop

[elfin mural]

I mean I've seen ppl delete one of the Twins by freezing it and dumping all 8 Axes into it instantly

[coarse wharf]

Well, Lead Spray BRT, Trifork Boltshark/Jumbo Shells Boomstick, Impact Axes etc

Yeah, some Singaporean players shared a 1 second Lacerator kill on Reddit

Haz 5/4-player

[elfin mural]

Oh it mightve been them?? I saw it on yt ages ago, no idea who uploaded it

[coral pond]

i've seen the axe kill, man that shit is so hard to pull off

[coarse wharf]

because this game has pretty patchy netcode, especially if you are client

It's easier to pull off as the host

But yeah, it's rare that you are gonna have a group where everyone is on the exact same wavelength

But if you do, ho boy is it satisfying as fuck

I had a Haz 5/4-player match where we bursted BET-C within 5 seconds of her waking up

I told the Gunner to put up a shield next to her, I chucked a Cryo Grenade, the rest was history

[vagrant cipher]

Played on a lobby with a lv min of 100 on a haz 5 mission, some of the smoothest gameplay Ive had in a while

[icy ledge]

I usually prefer ammo because most the dot is uneffected by mods

[elfin mural]

Why waste ammo when Dotty can do it faster
(Jk, I know that's situational)

[icy ledge]

As for hyper prep and incendiary, pretty much always take it. You never know when your going to run into rivals, the shot instantly ignites most tanky enemies that survive a shot, and for dreads the temp shock probably would to as much damage as your teammates would do in like, the extra .3 second window

[rugged portal]

tempshock only does like 200 lmao

take off heat when you're going into elim with cryo driller

[cunning pond]

Tempshock does too much damage for grunts and not enough for Prats.

[rose yacht]

u can grind em by promoting dwarves.

aaaaahhhh

[cobalt radish]

im so useless as driller in the current deepdive

i legit chose cryo for the 1st stage

[zealous pond]

at least you'll help with the dreads a lot

[tough eagle]

Hosts being cunts and hostage holding in a deep dive - expecting you to tolerate their shit - is that a common occurrence or what?

[coarse wharf]

Not really, most hosts are quite lax, from my experience

As a host, however, I do have a set of rules to ensure that everyone gets the job done

My idea of fun is everything coming together cohesively and things going smoothly

If I even see one instance of a random griefing, they get banned straight up, since I have a zero-tolerance policy on griefing.

I don't mind greenbeards still learning how to swim while flopping about - I have been there before. But if they fuck around, they will find out (greybeards included).

[summer vine]

i know theres a lot of memes about scouts but is it normal for good ones (like with a lot of competitive fps experience) to be able to frag out? i've gone all the way through to elite deep dives now and i still have the most kills like 75% of missions, and the times im not its always a close second to an engie.

[coarse wharf]

well, kills is a bad metric anyways

because it counts last hits

just do your job and you are already performing well enough

As any class, you care about getting your objectives done

As a Scout, I am actively hunting for aquarqs, eggs, liquid morkite wells, nitra etc. I couldn't care more about combat unless I need to help the team or not get downed

any unnecessary combat just slows the whole team down, especially so on missions like Point Extraction where it just becomes a shitfest after roughly 18 - 20 minutes

[summer vine]

i mean i was kinda worried i was missing something in terms of my role but im always hard focusing nitra and objectives, spamming lights, even more often top mining, always prioritize flyers/ranged when they show up

idk if haz5 people just ignore swarms which is when i focus on fighting but i'd think it'd be kinda hard to lol

lot of objectives make you sit there and fight while waiting anyway

[coarse wharf]

nah, you aren't doing anything wrong

I am just saying that people shouldn't base their performance on kill count, because kill counts that only account for last hits are silly

like, if all of your contributions only help to make things go faster for your team, you are doing well

[still geode]

i'd rather have the scout be mining the ceiling nitra so we can get out of here and into the next stage faster than have the scout be killing bugs while we're waiting for nitra and objectives

[dusk shell]

wtf 8 person deep dive is possible?

[tough eagle]

yeah ion this case the host was griefing. Killed gunner once on D1, then twice on D3 and was talking garbage the entire time. The gunner (in d3) got sick of him and said we shouldnt revive him. I said we need to pet his ego and move on to finish the DD. Gunner killed host, host kicked gunner then had the audacity to say "I only kicked him because he killed me" after doing that 3 times to the gunner himself.

Honestly I just wanted to leave, but I didnt want to waste my time - host was an absolute scumbag.

[sullen tendon]

Huh

That's the second story I've ever heard of a toxic player in DRG

[tough eagle]

User was named Isabellabranden or something - will not ever join a game with IsabellaXXXXXX again. Wish there was some way to review games and blacklist people.

[sullen tendon]

Mhm

[runic relic]

the vast majority is chill but some people are really weird, cant handle the power of hosting a 4 player lobby in a casual game

[patent zenith]

You might be able to block people on steam version, but I don’t think you can review games (I’d also like to do this for the same reason as you).
I’ve been griefed only once in about 150 hours by the host (murdered then kicked for no reason with no warning). I was kicked mid-game one other time because I was trapped in a room by spawning enemies and the host had no patience to wait for me to clear them or help.

I just learned to avoid certain lobbies of ‘sweaty’ players.

“Lvl 200+ , no fat boy, no c4, no ready” etc…

[civic phoenix]

if i die on the second stage do i have to start over?

[runic relic]

yep

[pliant yoke]

If you fail and have no teammates to get you up/Bosco revives, then yes

[runic relic]

you keep rewards for whatever you finished but besides that, its from the top

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[tough eagle]

where's red E

[pliant yoke]

All I want for Christmas Hoxxes is Lethal Enemies Industrial Sabotage

Come on, do it

[split anchor]

If this is going to be painful with the terrain imma cri

[tough eagle]

wasnt the last EDD painful? I mean that level 2 with 02 and on-point. what a combination. Any O2 without molly is hard 😦 Normally everyone gives Molly shit but when it's an O2 mission? We all love her.

[split anchor]

I nearly died during my first solo DD xwx

being swarmed with multiple oppressors

[still geode]

i really didn't find stage 2 to be a major issue

a single resupply in a convenient central location next to one of the pipes fixed the majority of o2 issues

though stage1 had a lot of ceiling nitra which would be very painful to get without scout or ziplines

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[steel python]

Here we go

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Desperate Agony
Stage 1: 225 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity
Stage 3: 7 Aquarq + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Rotten Elevation
Stage 1: 250 Mokite + Black Box | Volatile Guts
Stage 2: 4 Eggs + Dreadnought Hiveguard | Haunted Cave
Stage 3: Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen

[steel python]

A good modifier on the elite dive? Unheard of

[sly kettle]

Don't get too excited. There's still two stages we don't know about.

[steel python]

I'll get excited about it, it's been too long

[solar stratus]

Lethal enemies industrial sabotage: round three

I didn’t hear no bell

[still geode]

honestly i feel like volatile guts gets me killed more than most of the negative ones

get swarmed, kill swarm, instant death to volatile guts

"oops"

[candid bobcat]

Elite Deep Dive "Rotten Elevation" (2023-04-13 to 2023-04-20)
Region: Crystalline Caverns
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + Black Box | Volatile Guts
Stage 2: 4 Eggs + Hiveguard | Haunted Cave
Stage 3: Refinery + 2 Eggs | Low O2

low o2 refinery again

[serene fjord]

Ugh

[still geode]

haunted cave elimination 💀

[serene fjord]

Can they ban that combination already?

I don't mind high difficulity, but pure annoyance can be trashed

[wide linden]

Wait, thats actually good for scout

Our best friend

Ghost bulk

[still geode]

this edd looks like suffering

[tough eagle]

spoke too soon

[pliant yoke]

Refinery O2? awesome

[serene fjord]

Doesn't seem too hard though

[steel python]

I'm happy about it

Because there is no sabotage :D

[serene fjord]

Can sabotage have low o2?

[candid bobcat]

yes

[wide linden]

Yep

[serene fjord]

....

[pliant yoke]

Yes it can

[serene fjord]

Please no

[pliant yoke]

But it’s not that bad - hack-C objectives are free O2 pods

And you generally have plenty of Nitra for resupplies on IS

[wide linden]

What make me worry more are O2 point extraction

[void stump]

You would be hugging hack Cs and supply pods in sabotages anyway

[pliant yoke]

That’s quite painful a combination

[void stump]

So it isn’t the worst thing to have

[still geode]

especially because low o2 slows u down and thats the last thing u want on PE

[hazy scarab]

i love low o2 refinery i love low o2 refinery

[ivory cape]

Whats black box

[hazy scarab]

oh boy am i excited to do this haunted cave o2 refinery edd!!

[candid bobcat]

Deep Dive "Desperate Agony" (2023-04-13 to 2023-04-20)
Region: Fungus Bogs
Stage 1: 225 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: Refinery + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + 150 Morkite | Low O2

[candid bobcat]

wish granted

[wide linden]

The same thing that we do in salvage, stay in a zone and survive

[void stump]

Oh boy

Low o2 extraction

Woooooo

[wide linden]

Well sh*t I jinxed it

[pliant yoke]

Gotem

[void stump]

[wide linden]

At least its in the regular DD

[hazy scarab]

double low o2 moment

[void stump]

The air gauge lapses at double the rate

[zenith ember]

Omg no IS or escort for once

[wide linden]

Only thing that look both good and Bad is haunted elimination

[zenith ember]

Yeah

[void stump]

Haunted egg hunts are not fun

Especially in 4 eggs caves

[zenith ember]

Now that i see it right edd doesnt seem too bad too, no big time gates

[dense pebble]

What is black box

[steel python]

Bruh the DD is probably worse now

Low o2 on extraction is the worst

[void stump]

The uplink part of salvage

[wide linden]

Its like the last objective in salvage

[dense pebble]

I see

Interesting

[zenith ember]

Unlike salvage, black box can leave too

If your team is unable to hold and need time to recover

[void stump]

So like fuel cells?

[zenith ember]

Fuel cells isnt a 1 shot?

[void stump]

Don’t think so

Though never experienced that personally

[zenith ember]

Might test it out

[void stump]

Looks like I have to go gunner for this EDD solo

And I should pray the last stage isn’t a complexity 3 refining cave

[ivory marten]

Ah, Bungus Bogs.

[steel python]

🅱️ungus 🅱️ogs

OMG THERE IS A RANDOM DREADNOUGHT SPAWN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHY?!

[modern coyote]

32m EDD, quick and easy this week

[split anchor]

oookay am so unsure of the third one

do we even have molly on that thing?

(deep dive, not edd)

[steel python]

No molly on point extraction

[split anchor]

oh heck

[split anchor]

wait deep dive or edd-

[steel python]

EDD

[split anchor]

I swear for some reason mission control really likes to send me a dreadnought during point extractions ffs

[steel python]

Though I suppose we somehow rolled that tiny chance for it to be a dreadnought instead of a swarm

[split anchor]

deep dive stage 3 is going to kill me if I'll have to do gunner

[manic horizon]

What is that?

[steel python]

Stage 3

[manic horizon]

You mean special swarm with dreadnought?

[steel python]

Yup

[manic horizon]

Low oxygen dreadnought...

[steel python]

It was fine though

Refinery cave was big and it was classic

[terse kelp]

I despise point extractions

And I've only just started doing deep dives, and 2 in a row

[zenith ember]

why? its one of the fastest missions you can do

[split anchor]

PE with morkite

[grim wadi]

MFW new EDD doesnt look painful enough to do metiiculous research and debate on good builds

[split anchor]

I'll probably need a lot and I mean a lot of resupplies

[zenith ember]

prob dont need a driller for edd refining except maybe the bottom pump, 2 pumps are on the same level as refinery

[exotic oasis]

Guys, what hazard difficulty are the regular and elite deep dives?

[zenith ember]

~ 3 for dd and 5 for edd

[exotic oasis]

Thanks

[zenith ember]

np, gl on your run

oh yeah too much nitra on edd, have fun for those bringing fat boy on engi

[grim wadi]

sweeeet

[runic relic]

you got so much nitra in dd stage 3 that you can place resups everywhere and o2 wont be an issue

[zenith ember]

yeah

[wide linden]

A bulk detonator can spawn in EDD, if you can use it against hiveguard do it

Other than that with a decent team this EDD should be chill
I wasnt lucky since 1 of my teamate was a greenbeard, and the 2 other took weird decision about the bulk, the ghost bulk and eggs.

Still managed to complete it

[narrow hamlet]

What player level range would you class as green beard? Curious if I have evolved or not

(I'm like player level 55)

[gusty grotto]

I believe levels and playtime dont matter. If you got good game sense and help out your team well, your a greybeard

[narrow hamlet]

I mean I cooperate well and understand when someone wants me to use my damn platform

[wide linden]

Well, in this EDD for exemple
a driller that ended up with 22 downs, had like 200 less kills than other, wasn't helping much on objective or was taking eggs at the wrong time and most important wasn't really aware of his surrondings
But, if you either don't do that many mistakes or do them BUT learn from them
you are probably on the right path

[dense pebble]

You can increase your teammates opinion of your engi by taking the platform outline mod, lets you aim precisely over any distance xD

[gusty grotto]

Thats a mod?

[dense pebble]

Yeah

Just shows where your platform will end up exactly, same hologram your turrets get essentially

[wide linden]

the one that let you see in advance what the platform would look like ?

[dense pebble]

Its handy and reduces the skill issue I’d otherwise have since I switch between classes so often

[gusty grotto]

Damn, its a nice to have. I just wouldnt use it because I’ve mastered the drop over distance.

[wide linden]

if too afar just aim a bit above, that's what I do personally

[dense pebble]

And remember you can also use your platforms to cover up floor hazards and reduce fall damage.

Or to make connecting stuff easier.

[gusty grotto]

Yeah the usual. Once you can do all that on eng, you are good eng player

[wide linden]

There is always one thing that I am sure of about driller and engi

[dense pebble]

And set up turrets every chance you get so you can inflate your kill count ;)

[wide linden]

driller compete mission with destruction
engi complete mission with construction

[patent zenith]

It was harrowing

[wide linden]

sure there are a lot of detail to take into account

[gusty grotto]

Me coming out of a EDD with like 600 kills while my other teammates got combined total of 800

[grim wadi]

i had to remove it cause i found in closer ranges it was often wrong, was annoying me, stuck with intuition long term instead

[dense pebble]

At close range it does break but its easy to ignore

I may remove it someday but rn its too handy

[grim wadi]

it was handy for the 'across the cave under some nitra' for scouts yeah xD

[gusty grotto]

Il tell you a mod thats a must have… pickaxe bonk sfx 😂

[old widget]

Same. I do wish it had an option for a momentary “show outline” button you could press when going for those across-the-chamber shots though

[grim wadi]

yep exactly

or only show if x meters away

[pallid void]

I tried doing a mission exactly once with Haunted Cave and... nah. Ain't doing the EDD.

[wide linden]

honestly if everyone is capable of baiting the ghost when they are aggro it can go well
especially for scout

[untold saddle]

another low O2 + refinery?

[patent zenith]

It’s ‘fun’.
Just don’t expect your adrenal glands to work for a while.

[gusty grotto]

Mostly all the pump jacks are close its not bad

[pallid void]

Maybe I will try to do it in coop, but with my luck something tells me it will aggro on me as a Driller.

[untold saddle]

Thank god, I didn't want to go through that again

[wide linden]

wich wouldnt be bad, I was a driller in this one and ended up digging a ton of tunnel to make running through the cave easier, and when ghost was after me he just made my tunnel bigger

[pallid void]

Maybe I'll try. Hope I will just have more luck in getting Machine Events. Previously I had them almost every mission and now they are just gone.

I got like one after quite a few tries.

[wide linden]

It do be like that sometimes
One thing that I have a tendency to do (at least for the oc hunt currently, when I reach cosmetic hunt I will stop do that) is to go in a point extract with 10 aquarq with scout and run through the cave as fast as possible to find an event
if none I just quit the mission and do it again a few time

[pallid void]

Ah yes... Point Extraction. Definitely a mission I want to do a Machine Event on.

I... do not like PE. At all.

[warped veldt]

its not a bad idea

[wide linden]

its not really an issue if you stay in the mission for like 6 minutes in haz 1 at worst

[pallid void]

True.

[wide linden]

yeah you dont need higher haz for this thing

[pallid void]

Thank lord for that.

[vale knot]

ah yes, since previous EDDs got some bad mutators like lethal enemies, low o2, I had a feeling this week's is just gonna be as bad

sure as hell it is damn haunted cave

and o2 on the same edd

[elfin mural]

I thought I heard that there was a Dread spawn from a Swarm on one of the stages of this week's reg Deep Dive. Is this true? Or is that just rng

[chilly onyx]

Seems like a good time to do my first EDD

[dense shoal]

2nd stage was really annoying, also low nitra

[runic relic]

this ones fairly easy, haunted cave still sucks ass but in co-op you can kite much better if you keep track of who got ghost aggro

[worthy bolt]

this is bullshit on solo

hiveguard makes it so bad to fight against

like

i have a lok-1 21111 and a SD 31211 + full health and ssg build, and it sucks ass against this dreadnought

also SD VIR oc

im gonna prob switch to the dps stubby refire 12211 build

[vale knot]

solo? even in team it would be toughe as hell

last EDD my team barely made it out alive

and if this time we wont even get past stage 2

[dense shoal]

dreads kinda suck in solo since they keep turning towards you, there's barely any window to shoot on non burst weapons

unless it's like twins

[grim wadi]

iirc the lok mod that makes it always hit its target will always hit their ass even through the front of them

might help solo

[worthy bolt]

NOOOO BUT MY EXECUTIONER

[grim wadi]

true xD

i just setup a build with that after watching a play, gonna be fun

[dense shoal]

It shouldn't be that bad with Lok 1 since you can curve the bullets anyways, but haunted on solo edd is rough

[worthy bolt]

well haunted cave is rough but scout,,,,.,,,,,,,,

(the ghost actually can team kill glyphids)

(and even damages dreadnoughts)

not by much

[dense shoal]

yeah but if you trigger it won't u get hit as well

[worthy bolt]

but its a little neat thing for a ghost helping you to clear out a swarm

[worthy bolt]

unless you're scout, then yes

its hard to trigger it

[dense shoal]

Is the haunted bulk a bit slower? I remember passing with grapple against a bulk and it exploded me while I was mid flight

So I never bothered with that again

[grim wadi]

its possible, not sure if its because its slower or if it depends on the hazard level

[worthy bolt]

im using a full speed full cooldown scout grapple so

is it me or the normal deep dive is just basically infuriating as the elite deep dive

[vale knot]

how bad is bulk horror in edd haz 5

[worthy bolt]

as its named "desperate agony"

[vale knot]

will it oneshot me

[worthy bolt]

no

it will be an annoyance

[rugged portal]

haunted in edd?

[worthy bolt]

yes

[rugged portal]

look like i wont do it this week!

[worthy bolt]

@vale knot @rugged portal the worst thing is
it has a dreadnought

[vale knot]

guess I will just do normal DD and stage 1 EDD

[worthy bolt]

a fucking dreadnought

[vale knot]

RIP one out of 6 cores I can get weekly 😔

[worthy bolt]

wish i can handle haz 5 swarms and bosses

[dense shoal]

just get friends

[slate river]

New EDD?

[worthy bolt]

LOW OXYGEN FOR BOTH LAST DIVES 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[slate river]

They know how to torture us…

[dense shoal]

They did fucking osr o2 again

[slate river]

Wish there was a way to upgrade your o2 can

[dense shoal]

at least the map isn't as bad as last one (if you have a driller)

[dusk shell]

what's the movement tech to not take fall damage by jumping on crystals?

[runic relic]

the map is great, 2/3 are straight lines even without driller, last you can get on the little ledge below so no need for drilling either

[dense shoal]

I don't know anything particularly related to crystals unless you mean ledge grabbing

[slate river]

Scout sounds good

[runic relic]

i gunner solod it and it was very free

[dense shoal]

I didn't really explore it tbh, since driller checked it and drilled before that

[slate river]

How long did it take

[runic relic]

of course thats the easier call

51 minutes but i grabbed all gold, more around 35 if you do a normal run but dont grab every last bit

granted i did run ntp

[slate river]

Gold is useless sadly

[dense shoal]

you mean dd or edd?

[runic relic]

edd

[runic relic]

it makes me happy and thats good enough

[dense shoal]

51 is pretty fast for solo, nice

[worthy bolt]

that rocky mountain in question : 🫠

[runic relic]

first solo edd, even though it was more due to connection issues than any desire

[worthy bolt]

wait since when you get a connection issue on edd?

[runic relic]

no its just me having trouble today

hosted edd with a group->they all dc´d before loading in->solo it is

[worthy bolt]

oh sob

[runic relic]

i wish haunted cave had some way to control the ghost, like getting a debuff from a pickup that sticks it to you so scouts can be bait

[worthy bolt]

i mean
the thing CAN get affected by slows and such but

you dont have slows

as a solo

[runic relic]

i neurotoxined it once in a while

not much but why not

[slate river]

I never went into a haunted cave the ghost cant be killed?

[dense shoal]

Talking about solo EDD reminds me one time I challenged my squad I could solo the dread in the last stage, it was a hiveguard and I could barely hit it because it kept turning towards me quickly due to the player speed up

that was pain

[runic relic]

nope it just stalks you forever, a smaller bulk detonator, can be slowed though

can also be hard to spot

[dense shoal]

Honestly I just cheat on the ghost dreadnought with the googly eyes lol

[worthy bolt]

cue the epic long video of me killing the hiveguard sped up with amen break in the background

[dense shoal]

I went through the dmg phase like 6 times at least

it was fucking rough

Because the dread speeds up the more players there are, his roaring attack becomes a lot shorter so less of a window to hit

if you try to solo

[old widget]

Enemy speed doesn't scale based on player count, only based on haz level. At least, according to wiki info.

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Difficulty_Scaling

I don't believe the dread roar -> special attack delay changes with # of players either, but haven't seen hard data on that. The delay does seem to shorten with higher haz though, at least for classic dread.

[steel python]

Well, after trying out this week's EDD, I can give some tips

Stage 1 has this stupid vertical drop halfway through the mission that only scout can comfortably navigate

But the ore generation is very low to the ground that everyone can quickly grab the morkite and move on

Nitra is plentiful

Stage 2 is an experience

There are no large open spaces except for the starting room and even then it's not the most flat

Combined with hiveguard and ghost, you're either going to have a series of reviving and dying a lot

Or quickly killing the hiveguard

Just try to get through it fast by equipping weapons for dreadnought killing beforehand

Stage 3 is loaded with nitra and the cave is your standard refinery cave room so low o2 is really not an issue

Just a minor inconvenience that you can work through with resupplies

One of the pumpjacks is in a different room, but a driller can easily drill to it

I'm not sure if random dreadnought spawns are seeded or not, but we had a classic dreadnought spawn instead of a swarm on stage 3

Not a big deal since the cave is large with no enemies spawning, but don't forget to have a breather of oxygen every now and then

[sonic heron]

2nd stage is cursed OwO

[woeful niche]

og dread does gain that useless roar when only one player is up

[old widget]

It gains a separate action where it roars but doesn't attack, if only one player is alive?

[woeful niche]

ye

wiki doesn’t mention it for some reason

[old widget]

Cool. Nice handicap to allow a rez

[woeful niche]

ye it’s why i think og is like impossible to fail if even 1 person knows what theyr doing

[dense shoal]

I read it somewhere in the fandom wiki

[old widget]

Fandom wiki is no longer official, though I would be surprised to find accurate info there that isn't in wiki.gg. Difficulty scaling page on Fandom has same data though for speed scaling based on player (i.e. there is none 🙂 ), as that hasn't changed in forever

Ah, I take it back! I see the section you're talking about. It's in the wiki.gg page as well, but on the OG dread page vs. the generic difficulty scaling page.

The roaring animation is supposed to provide time to get out of the way, but with higher numbers of players this animation speeds up tremendously - as does the damage of the stomp on higher Hazard levels which can instantly kill full-health dwarves.

Very interesting. Wonder if that speedup has been quantified anywhere.

[woeful niche]

it is interesting that og dread is the only one that scales with the number of players currently up

probably cus haz 5 4 p dread speed wud be nearly impossible to get a revive off of

at least for engi and driller

[old widget]

I wonder if that animation speedup based on player count also applies to Hiveguard rock burst attack (roar + expanding circle of explody rocks)

[marble token]

I agree

[lean swallow]

The dds just updated today yes? I forget he day they change

[dense shoal]

Thursday

[lean swallow]

ok ty

[dense shoal]

it was around 5-6 hours ago

[vagrant acorn]

This weeks deep dive is ideal for speedruns

Feels like haz 1 ngl

[marble token]

true
smooth operation

[unkempt saffron]

huh i thought the edd would take longer due to stage 2, but it was rather manageable

[woeful niche]

wud be interesting to test to see if that’s the case. I don’t play enough solo to really notice the difference

[low plover]

do you think Combat Mobility will do on Haunted Egg Hunt?

[dusk shell]

if you buy a beer license, do you only get to drink it once, or every mission you could drink a round

[fierce sparrow]

whenever u want so long as you can pay for it

[unkempt saffron]

for the edd stage 2?

[low plover]

yeah

I never tried this OC, it could be a good opportunity to try it out. Fighting swarm or dreadnought while avoiding ghost, man

and I dont have good synchro to make that jump+shoot trick

[marble token]

the cave for stage 2 absolutly suck and make everything worst

also I just think hiveguard is the hardest of all the dreadnought

[grim wadi]

those damn flingy stones

and theyre wacky AF spawn rules

[unique plover]

Woah man this week's edd sucks

Barely did it

Horror and dreadnoughts don't mix well

Low O2 and on-site refining too

[unique plover]

Depends. It certainly takes the longest to kill, but the twins can be such a nightmare in a smaller room

[unique plover]

I've played with it for a bit with a kind of "balance between direct and aoe damage" build and I feel like the clip is too small to use it to clear crowds. Maybe if you build it full aoe it will good enough tho.

[still geode]

i wasn't particularly impressed by combat mobility either

[unique plover]

To be fair, its pretty good as a single target

[still geode]

thunderhead doesn't feel accurate enough to justify being a single target weapon in the primary slot imo

[unique plover]

You can hit most of the weakspots except maybe hiveguard's ones, and you need a secondary with a good balance between crowd control and single target anyways because of the small clip, so it does the job for me

My aim is too bad to hit hiveguard's weakpoints anyways xD

[still geode]

i feel like i have to be basically point blank to headshot stuff like slashers

meanwhile t1c minigun can reliably hit weakpoints on pretty much any enemy at quite a significant range

and jet fuel homebrew can hit weakpoints at any range if you aim well

[unique plover]

And btw combat mobility has a better accuracy than other OCs accuracy

[still geode]

it still doesn't really feel that accurate, especially with the gun having pretty drastic recoil compared to other options

[faint shell]

last week's sucked!

god forbid you didnt have a scout cuz ALL the nitra in the first stage was on the 50m roof

[unique plover]

The last week's one was quite actually

If I recall correctly

Did it also have the low O2 on site refining?

[faint shell]

I did it literally last night

yes

[unique plover]

Aside from it I didn't have any trouble

This week's 2nd stage is nuts

[faint shell]

what were you running with¿

[still geode]

last weeks low o2 was not bad

[unique plover]

Last week I ran engie with an executioner lok-1 and breach cutter with a green oc for ammo

[still geode]

just 1-2 centrally located resupplies basically nullified it, it wasn't a big cave

[unique plover]

This week was a gunner with salvo module and a six shooter

[faint shell]

yeah the o2 barely came into play

it was mostly the weird spawns

[unique plover]

We were too greedy I guess, no one died to it, but it was just frustrating being chained to the refinery

[unique plover]

Tho I haven't really got a feel on this build for this edd because of network issues

Everything felt a bit too laggy and unresponsive

[still geode]

the main issue of low o2 on stage2 was the stage1 nitra being missable

so depending on if you were thorough in searching for it or not you may only have had enough for like 1 resupply going into stage 2

[unique plover]

Nah we had the nitra

Just greed

I never check EDDs beforehand too, so I had no idea if we're gonna need the nitra for the last stage

This week's 3rd stage was much brutal that's for sure

The cave wasn't too bad either, but there was one pumpjack in a weird spot

[jagged rapids]

I'm about to retry the EDD. Was up at 4am PST (don't want to talk about it) so I tried it but stage 2 got my group both times. Ghost plus hiveguard in a tight room.

Going for a 3rd try with a semi rested mind now. Prayer to Karl that this is the one

[unique plover]

Gl

[jagged rapids]

Ty

[unique plover]

I guess for stage 2 just running the cave around in circles should help

You get your gunner to put a zipline in the egg room from the start one and dig through all the dirt in advance

[jagged rapids]

Yea I think we had terrible room management last run (I was of little help tho ngl. Brain was on low)

[unique plover]

Meh, sweats in subreddit's edd thread are referring to this edd as an "a relatively straightforward one"

And I was basically squeezed dry by the time I got to the drop pod on stage 3

[dusk shell]

am i tripping or are some hazard 5s easier than hazard 3s

[unique plover]

Idk about haz3s, but some haz4 definitely feel harder then some haz5

Mostly because of the cave generation and modifiers

[steel python]

It's all "relatively straightforward" until a hiveguard gets involved with the ghost of a detonator

[carmine aurora]

and a detonator himself

[cunning pond]

It all depends on the generation.

[steel python]

A living detonator can wipe the hiveguard out of existence

A ghost one is just an undying nuisance

[carmine aurora]

if only the teammates knew how to spread damage

people keep on killing the detonator early or breakign the shield of the hiveguard

it's the same deal with the twin dreadnoughts

everybody unloads into one and then all it heals

[unique plover]

Nah killing a dread with a bulk is too tricky

And the cave is super cramped

[steel python]

Me when the arbalist makes the drop pod shaft its home:

I swear the arbaelist is the bigger threat of the two because of its five shot spread

[unique plover]

No way you would survive a dread, a horror and a regular bulk in this small of a cave

[steel python]

That it can fire off at any range and sometimes right behind you

Still though, I'm okay with this EDD because there is no industrial sabotage

[unique plover]

Yeah twins can be quite hard at times

[carmine aurora]

the flamethrower one is so easy to cheese

literally solo'd him in haz 5 with a little hill

and supercooled m1K

hiveguard is the worst imo

[steel python]

Lacerator runs on praetorian brain

It hurries up to you and stands still letting you unload all of your weapons on it

Meanwhile, the arbalest is just sniping you from the ceiling with acid spitter accuracy

Anyway, some advice for this hiveguard

When it shows the three weakspots, just C4 it

Depending on the upgrades, it can instantly wipe all weakspots to skip that phase

[elfin mural]

I thought I heard that there was a Dread spawn from a Swarm on one of the stages of this week's reg Deep Dive. Is this true? Or is that just rng

[steel python]

That would be me and I can confirm its occurrence on the elite dive on stage 3.

Still though, I'm unsure if it is seeded or just my luck

[unique plover]

Didn't happen to me, it's probably rng

[carmine aurora]

I've gone full damage and I'm not sure I've ever seen c4 wipe its boils

then again, I'm bad with c4

[low plover]

man, I've just finished EDD and it went pretty smooth. Now I wonder if we were actually greatly cooperated or RNG was merciful for us, lol
or both

[brisk spear]

apparently EDD is piss easy this week

[steel python]

Relatively "easy"

If you make it through stage 2, then you're pretty much done

[low plover]

yeah, but I thought it will be disaster, because I attempted Haunted Cave maybe twice in 600h (now three)

especially with such cave shape on second stage, but I used some ziplines, driller made plenty of tunnels, so we could easily move around
and the another build I made experimentally worked great

I wonder how you will react for this one, lol

[scarlet ravine]

its pretty chill, stage 2 is a little cramped with the haunted modifier but that' the only tricky part

[carmine aurora]

Stage 3 is piss easy

stage 1 is low hazard

a bit harder than last week's, but not by much, and that's just from stage 2

[low plover]

if you have driller, you can easily move around with mentioned safety tunnels

[coral pond]

honestly the edd doesn't look hard at all. dread haunted cave might be annoying but it's not omega life threatening

[coral pond]

it's really not. Especially if the cave is cramped as you say, that just makes it easier

[old widget]

IMO it's a little tricky without some kind of slow effect for the dread, but with some kind of slow effect on tap and a team with a modicum of situational awareness it's not too bad

[low plover]

scout had FGI in my match gladly

also, did you have Nemesis on third stage? because we had, lol

[still geode]

nemesis? what nemesis?
reloads hyperprop

[loud bane]

holy, i just did my first ever elite deep dive, the second stage was, well, it was something

hiveguard dread the ghost, fun times

[slate river]

DD this week was extremely easy

[elfin mural]

Low oxygen stage 3 oh god

I HEAR A BETC

[dense pebble]

no BET-C in mine.

that second stage though

had to do it twice

[elfin mural]

Oof

[dense shoal]

F

[placid musk]

from the looks of it the hard part of the edd is the hiveguard + ghost

is the low O2 refinery cave gen as fucked as last weeks

[plush bobcat]

What is this week's normal Deep dive?

[echo coral]

Is promoting good?

[wheat gull]

First promotion is pretty much mandatory, additional promotions are just shinier. 😛

[placid musk]

yes

more content unlocks after

[grim wadi]

alright yeah, EDD stage 2 cave gen is uh, a little annoying

if it was more flat it'd be no biggie, but the damn ghost sneaky climbs up walls and gets ya

being a driller was handy for all 3 stages

[placid musk]

gotcha

[grim wadi]

2 are easy to connect, flat run, 3rd could use a lil drill down or an engie to help, otherwise youll be digging for a while

[placid musk]

i play scout anyway, all my good OCs are on scout

i just be the nitra slave and build the pipes

[grim wadi]

no bet-c or rando dreadnaught for us despite others saying theyve had that, tho we apparently had a bulk spawn just as our drop pod was leaving with us in stage 1

[placid musk]

i have gotten jumped by a dreadnought out of the blue on regular dd

my entire team got disconnected halfway into the fight

we were on stage 2 i felt so bad

[grim wadi]

oooof

i think our other driller ragequit mid second stage EDD because we kept going down, the area was just shit to fight in, but we managed still

[tall meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/626770765525680170/1096240109587796038/20230413180526_1.jpg?width=1028&height=578

Definitely a speedrun EDD week for the speedrun nerds

[coral pond]

first promo unlocks a bunch of endgame stuff, including cosmetics and weapon overclocks, but every promotion after that gives you more of said overclocks and cosmetics

[safe gulch]

Huh, a deceptively easy week

Time to herd some greenbeards?

[raven sky]

what build did you use on driller for edd?

[deep oar]

My Duo had a bulk spawn right when we started the black box

[grim wadi]

i went for a sludgy funtime with Disperser Compound , and epc with persistent plasma, it was alright @raven sky

just felt like drillin and goopin, no specific reason for this EDD

[grim wadi]

aaaaahhhhhh that sucks

[deep oar]

I was scout and my duo was driller, so he stayed on point while I handled bulk

[lament ibex]

got a bulk in stage two along with the haunted thing. think you can guess how that went

[warped veldt]

i assume they just cancel out

right...

[copper wraith]

What are the deep dive missions for this week? the "Desperate Agony"

[grim wadi]

check the pins for this channel, its always got the latest info

[copper wraith]

sweet thx

[rose yacht]

Only stage 2 is hard [and funny.]

but 1 and 3 is ez

veeery ez

I got pincered by ghost + dreadnaught and had no choice but to go down.

[copper dust]

screw stage 2, doing the dreadnought and having the ghost up at the same time is hell on that small of a cave

[coarse wharf]

If you have a Scout with Boltshark, I reckon you can keep the Unknown Horror locked down with Taser Bolts

[grim wadi]

oooooo nice, shame i cant goop it up

[coarse wharf]

Unknown Horror can be affected by electricity, so yeah

Nishanka is just a very strong utility weapon

I have a dilemma whether I want to use Scout or Driller in this DD/EDD, from what everyone has been saying

Small room with a Dread/Ghost, I reckon it's possible to dig out the cave to be bigger with drills and C4s

If I go Scout, idk if I can trust my random Driller to get it done

If I go Driller, idk if I can trust my random Scout to keep the Ghost locked down

[void stump]

Wooo got through this week’s edd without a sweat, easiest one so far

[plain python]

how do i class lock as a host

[placid musk]

can the ghost hurt the dread

[candid bobcat]

maybe if you bait the hellfire stomp via grappling, but the damage if at all is minimal

[void stump]

YES

[unkempt saffron]

Go to settings and enable the option that prevents late join char duplication

[paper crest]

There is option in settings, but it's only works for late-joiners

[wraith shard]

Ayooo afyer update 1.32 game bugged people on version 1.32 can't play with people on 1.31 and people who got update 1.32 candy go back to 1.31 to fix ps4

[tacit jungle]

This week's EDD is chill, finished in 39:10 with a rando team

[void stump]

Which one will you guys prefer? Active stability system or electrocuting focus shot? I am bored with hipster and hoverclock

[pliant yoke]

I prefer immediate effects, so ASS would be my pick

Also, the focus speed increase is a fairly nice boon on top of having no mspeed penalties while focusing a shot

(And the reload speed penalty is negligible with reload cancel)

That’s not to say EFS is not good - it is a very solid OC, but ASS feels much smoother in use

Also, come on, how could you not love the acronym of ASS

[paper crest]

It's based on what do you want from m1k. EFS it's a swarmkill, ASS - single target

[pliant yoke]

Is ASS really a single target option? It basically can be just baseline M1K, with much more fluid transitions from aiming to focusing a shot

[hidden willow]

can i ask where deep dives fall on the hazard scale?

[pliant yoke]

EFS fares better against certain enemies, particularly Slashers, but besides that, ASS is almost as good at swarm clear as EFS is, provided you take the super blowthrough mod in T4 (which one honestly should take, unless you have swarm clear on your secondary weapon and want to rely on it to assist with swarm clearing)

[pliant yoke]

Regular are 3/3.5/3.5
Elite are 4.5/5/5.5

[hidden willow]

tyvm

[earnest fox]

soloing the EDD

stage 2 was god awful

surely i wont do anything stupid in stage 3

but having a tiny cave with hiveguard and bulk + ghost is just ugh

[void stump]

It’s kinda a breeze with scout, just you’d spend most of your time zipping around

And stage 3 is classic EDD refining

[earnest fox]

I do not recognize other characters than engi

[void stump]

Good luck.

[still geode]

honestly EFS feels like a clean ngl

like yes it has less focus shot damage but you can just fire unfocused shots to completely ignore its downside

and unless ur focus shotting lootbugs it basically just gives you better breakpoints but u have to wait a bit

[pliant yoke]

Replacing 25% of your focus damage increase and gaining 140-something electric DoT in return is indeed a fairly good boon

[still geode]

especially when you're also getting the electric slowdown and providing a damage increase for certain weapons that you or your teammates could have

[pliant yoke]

So long as you can somewhat compensate for it in your single target damage department - you can’t really go wrong with Jumbo Shells or Embedded Dets, I suppose

[still geode]

i honestly don't even find a need to slot in single target elsewehre

just focus shot once, then hipfire repeatedly afterwards

the base m1k already has a whopping 220 maximum DPS when hipfired

[pliant yoke]

Right, I suppose Engies with Stubby, Loki or Shard Diffractor will also get some benefit from you electrifying certain bugs

[still geode]

the only real downside ive noticed is the extremely minor disadvantage of not being able to save ammo by focus shotting lootbugs when i have 1 round left

since the DoT doesn't get applied to those and you miss the breakpoint

[woeful niche]

loot bugs can be electrocuted

[still geode]

unless my game is bugged, EFS don't electrocute loot bugs on focus shots

[woeful niche]

doubt

literally every other form of electricity works so why idk why efs wud be different

[grim wadi]

awwwww just realized i was 1 min 21 seconds past 45 mins on the EDD, dangit

[still geode]

i tested it out while playing today, neither lootbugs nor golden lootbugs get electrified by EFS - i tested multiple times, and am 100% certain i was getting focus shots

[torn bough]

I had better success with randoms fighting the hive guard in the spawn room then in the eggs on the second stage EDD today

[lament ibex]

round 2 is just painful

we would've made it if the drop pod didn't spawn so high

[woeful niche]

sounds like a glictch considering drak, stubby, and electric reload can all electrocute loot bugs

[valid prawn]

2nd stage

:(

i beat it though

[wraith shard]

the normal deep dive is the easiest ive seen in a while, damn

[short haven]

All normal deep dives are easy

[placid musk]

beat edd 4p

omg stage 2 was fun as hell

even though i just collected eggs while the others did the dps

[wraith shard]

bruh fuck haunted + dreadnought

[placid musk]

what class did you play

my spiderman genes awakened running away from the 2 giant bugs as scout

[wraith shard]

driller

[placid musk]

our gunner put a zipline over spawn and just sat in the middle of it

with the rest of the team

the ghost ran in circles for 5 minutes

[wraith shard]

we accidently popped the egg when we had no ammo in the middle of a swarm haha

[placid musk]

oh yeah that's really unlucky XD

most of the swarm the others handled near spawn

i took out the strays over at egg area

[kind idol]

This week's EDD was ez

Did it in one go with randoms

[fluid cliff]

same

[lusty dew]

Same but it was really tight on stage 2

[mossy patio]

What hazards for this weeks deep dive elite?

[polar raven]

Check pins

[mossy patio]

Ty miner

Fuck

Dread and haunted 🙃

[desert lynx]

is the dd and edd message up to date?

they should’ve cycled already

it still looks like last week’s deep dives

[coral pond]

no, it's the current one

[chilly onyx]

2nd stage was brutal, but hey, 1st EDD done!

[atomic nimbus]

I’m new to DRG, just got my first promo. What’s the deal with deep dive’s

[drowsy holly]

they let you get over clocks

[velvet junco]

2nd stage is bugs doing a little bit of trolling

[lusty dew]

Basically DRG's end game

3 missions, back to back, with shared resources (your nitra, ammo, health, etc transfers between missions)

As a reward you get overclocks

[silk lance]

Did the black box spawn at the top of the map 100~ meters away from the cave on the first stage of the elite deep dive for anyone else?

[desert lynx]

how’s the caves this dd/edd?

is the refining bad?

[lusty dew]

On the DD no, not at all. On the EDD honestly I can't even remember what it was

I don't think it was bad

The cave generation on stage 2 of the EDD is a bit silly for haunted + dreadnought

Because its eggs primary its basically 2 decent sized rooms with a side tunnel

[jagged rapids]

Yea all stages on both EDD and DD are pretty chill aside from stage 2 of EDD as Discus said

[half delta]

love it

[silver reef]

What are the DD and EDD stages this week?

[lone monolith]

look at pin

[silk lance]

for some reason the black box in stage 1 of the EDD keeps spawning at the top of the map

[grim wadi]

weeeeirrd, was fine the 2 times i played it

[untold saddle]

disable mods

[soft token]

whats a good primary pairing for my 22113 Overdrive Booster Shard Diffractor

because i use my secondary as my dedicated "fuck this one bug in particular" button on engi

[untold saddle]

lok1 ecr

[soft token]

ecr meaning executioner or

[untold saddle]

Stubby works too but I prefer lok1

the explosive rounds one

[soft token]

oh chemical rounds gotcha

[tropic slate]

edd 1 & 3 ez its 2 thats ridic

😤😤😤

[soft token]

now im using ?1311 ECR lok1

but do i want to run damage mod or ammo bags?

[untold saddle]

ammo, you want to proc lots of explosions

[pseudo cobalt]

DD is fine EDD is pain

[untold saddle]

Once you get 3 loks you fire it

[pseudo cobalt]

I run damage, extra locks, and smartlock system

Lmao

[soft token]

im running blowthrough rounds for more crowd control lol

[untold saddle]

I'd run 21111

You don't need the blowthrough on ecr imo, it already destroys crowds

[hushed sequoia]

the blowthrough with ecr won't proc any explosions plus t3a affects explosion damage

[coral pond]

T3a so much better

[round cedar]

I have 144 terk points... I would imagine you stop getting them once you have enough to buy every perk, right?

[still geode]

u get waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more perk points than u need for every perk

[elfin mural]

Nope. Indefinite perk points

[round cedar]

But... why?

[coral pond]

It's not indefinite, but you do have like 100 or so more than you need

[fast stratus]

Currently you get 173 perk points more than you need to get everything in the tree

[round cedar]

Oh ok, well at least it is not indefinite

Is triple tech any good for the gunner?

[fluid cliff]

yeah

not as good as hellfire but it does useful stuff

[woeful niche]

21111 is the ideal ecr loadout

[placid musk]

small cave + haunted is a big roadblock

my team figured out a semi-cheese to buy time for the egg swarm but we did nearly wipe at the end

dd is ez

[tropic slate]

i played with randoms and our driller had us scooby doo running through his holes everywhere

was an experience

[placid musk]

on the regular dd the driller dug a hole straight to the pod stage 2 and 3 praets ended up getting stuck in the hole and we collectively panicked

[nova frigate]

what's the difficulty increase going from deep dive to elite deep dive?