deep-dive-discussion

[coarse wharf]

they are talking about Cryo Nades

you need 2 for a Breeder now

[rose yacht]

Oh

make sense.

😂

[coarse wharf]

if solo, you can use Bosco plus 1 nade

[rose yacht]

cryo nades nerf is real.

i'm lagging

[tulip idol]

or just 2-shot with SCC

[placid musk]

just got this yesterday

what secondary should I use with it?

[tulip idol]

gas recycling

[placid musk]

won't I run out of ammo

[tulip idol]

not really

you play solo?

[placid musk]

mostly with others

solo takes too long

[tulip idol]

yeah you can even break armor with gas for your mates too

[placid musk]

so support

[tulip idol]

high value targets and cleaning mates off close grunts

[placid musk]

wardens menaces oppressors?

[tulip idol]

I think it's 1) high value targets 2) stationaries 3) large single targets

opps are large single targets

they are harmless

[placid musk]

ok

what are high value targets

[tulip idol]

so like menaces, acid spitters, macteras, you can watch vid from GE too: https://youtu.be/Fmk4KctELMM

[placid musk]

2 ammo on a spitter's quite a waste right...

[rugged portal]

oppressor is literally harmless unless you're bunkering

[tulip idol]

with SCC it's oneshot into the body without armor break mod

[placid musk]

ohh

ok

[rugged portal]

acid spitter?

you don't need scc for that

[tulip idol]

you gotta shoot it with SCC I mean

it's not like you can remove your OC mid-way

[rugged portal]

ah

[placid musk]

hipster is the all-rounder and scc is for special occasions

like elims and sabo right

[rugged portal]

hipster isn't all rounder lol

[tulip idol]

I like supporting for these special occassions

[rugged portal]

normal m1k better for that

[tulip idol]

makes mates' life much easier

hipster is also high dps, but it's less accurate

though it's certainly handier

[placid musk]

more newbie friendly

i like m1000 now because of hipster

[tulip idol]

if newbie learns to time that high rof sure

[placid musk]

idk the sound's just satisfying

[tulip idol]

scc is more about having your shot charged up and doing hook-bhops

and there's no issue with ammo either, you don't really have to shoot grunts with SCC, though I use it to hs guards sometimes or to hipshot a close grunt when it's convenient

[placid musk]

i just leave the little ones to the others

[tulip idol]

I also played that role before with BOM-CryoBolts, idk what's better

with gas recycling I take cryo nade for that great synergy

[placid musk]

doesn't freeze remove weakspot bonus?

[tulip idol]

gas doesn't have wp bonus dmg at all

[placid musk]

oh that makes sense hehe

i have BoM fire bolts

but I haven't played scout recently, focusing on engi promotion

[tulip idol]

with cryo bolts you can just remove opp with bom in 1 burst

cryo bolts let anything big become very vulnerable for bom, and you don't even need to target wps

if not freeze status, then tasers

[placid musk]

fire/pheromones ok?

[tulip idol]

on its own yes, but I don't see how BoM helps it

[placid musk]

don't they also activate the BoM damage boost

[tulip idol]

sure, but they also have armor and can move around

while BoM has spread and bloom

[placid musk]

i see i see

shock bolts paralyze?

[tulip idol]

no, they apply slowdown

[placid musk]

do i just need to put one in the thing I want to kill

[tulip idol]

for BoM? yes, but generally it's 3 into bulks, 2 into praet, 3 into opp...

2 into warden

2 just create the Arc

[placid musk]

ohhhh okok

[tulip idol]

2 bolts apply 2 Taser effects and 1 Arc effect

[placid musk]

i didn't know, always used pheromones

[tulip idol]

Tasers is just the best electrocution in the game, it stacks, it slows down great, and it does several hundreds dmg

though I know many cases when it's bugged in good and bad ways, in general it's still one of the best options

[placid musk]

got it

thanks for the advice

[tranquil sentinel]

With max duration build tho right? cuz on fullsquad haz 5 im pretty sure that praes dont go down with just 2 but i might b wrong

Running Magnetic Shafts on T5 fyi

[tulip idol]

Yeah it is 932 out of 1125 on h5p4 with t3a and t5a

But 3 tasers is like 25% of tasers ammo pool

2 cryo bolts is much cheaper, but longer

what's more worth a taser are goo bomber and grabber

[pseudo nova]

I have a pretty basic question, do special enemies (Bulks, Nemesis etc.) have fixed spawns in Deep Dives? Besides enemies that have a chance to replace others ofc.

[queen rampart]

Scream @tulip idol he's blue.

[tulip idol]

I recall Bulk goes as disruptive and Nemesis can either pre-spawn with low chance or go into the pool at rival presence

[tardy current]

Anyone down for an deep Dive

EU only would be nice

[random rampart]

go to your platform's lfg channel, those are the right channels

[coarse wharf]

imagine my surprise when I found out that Embedded Detonators damage is affected by IFGs...

I never knew that lmfao

I discovered it by complete accident

another accidental discovery, so you theoretically can stack as many Embedded Detonators as possible with Born Ready, and then buff ALL of their damage with a single IFG. With some calculations and testing for fun, I found out that you can stack 7.5 mags (286 ammo) of Embedded Detonators, toss a single IFG, and nuke a classic Dreadnought. You can dump 3 mags into the Dread before it regenerates its armour. Impractical stuff, but fun regardless.

[rugged portal]

@queen rampart u up?

[stone yacht]

Welp just tried another EDD no-death run, which I try every week during the first attempt of the Dive. The EDD was easy and we beat it first try but literally died....on stage 2 (always 1 death on stage 2) because was running back to the drop pod but ran out of oxygen while trying to get up on the ledge with the most SHIT spawn lmao. Literally the way up was blocked. No Driller and idk why Engi didn't put down platforms for it. My man just sat in the pod and watched me die trying to climb up xD

So much for that, shame too because other than that stupid ass pod spawn, the run was easy and could have been an easy no-death run. Stage 3 was so cheese.

[tulip idol]

it directly changes enemy's damage resistance

though sharks are invulnerable to ifg

[tulip idol]

you can stack it into hiveguard's protrusions, destroy them and then pop all detonators at once

[coarse wharf]

I see what you mean, EDs shot into the protrusions will count as them being inside the Hiveguard's weak point, yeah?

[tulip idol]

it just remembers the main actor I think and then applies it directly to main hp pool since subhealth is destroyed

though I haven't seen the logic itself

[coarse wharf]

gonna test right now

[tulip idol]

oneshotting twins with detonator stacks is surely achievable

[coarse wharf]

it is

I have done it before

But I am curious about Hiveguard

[tulip idol]

if you stack it into dread's hp, you can then pop it onto shell as well afterwards

[coarse wharf]

I just tested, you are right

[tulip idol]

ofc I also tested it before

[coarse wharf]

Ah, I had my assumptions when you said you haven't seen the logic itself

[tulip idol]

I mean I can see what's working via tests, it's just that I can't always see the "why" part

[coarse wharf]

gotcha

huh...

holy shit

that means you can technically one cycle a Hiveguard

[rugged portal]

yeah

[tulip idol]

isn't there dmg cap at 50%? I don't remember

[coarse wharf]

time to find out

[coarse wharf]

yeah, there is one

I dumped roughly 8 mags of ammo, to account for misses

can't test on a Hiveguard standing still since it's invulnerable with its AI disabled

[tulip idol]

you can just remove its movement speed

though it more belongs to #modded-drg-chat

[icy ledge]

I believe all dreadnaughts except twins go invincible in just a few frames unless you kill them instantly (ie embedded dets) but besides that, you can’t really one cycle

You can definitely skip some shields though with enough damage

[tulip idol]

hiveguard has healthgate at 40% of lost health

so you need to get close to 40% and then apply big instant damage

[coarse wharf]

wait, like... 30% of it's total health?

or 70%?

the wording is a little confusing, sorry

[tulip idol]

so like it runs check after loosing 40% health

[coarse wharf]

ah, gotcha

[tulip idol]

or more

you just gotta get close and then do a lot lot more

[coarse wharf]

so get as close to 60% of its maximum health, then beeg damage

[tulip idol]

yep

it's 30% for normal dread

I looked there originally

[coarse wharf]

it's probably most practical for Twins, yeah

[icy ledge]

They have more triggers higher up, but the only way to get those ones are with cheese like embedded or mass hyper prop when the dreads frozen

[tulip idol]

and twins are kinda complicated

[icy ledge]

Definitely

[tulip idol]

twins normally go at 55%

it runs checks every 11%

[icy ledge]

The reason it’s better for twins is because they burrow before they heal

So you have a bigger window

And don’t need to deal insta damage

[tulip idol]

but if you delay it with instant or super often damage it can run earlier or later

they can just tp out

seen it too many times

[coarse wharf]

I have seen that TP way too many times too lmfao

[tulip idol]

they do healing first time at <60% hp

when the check goes

(the one that goes every 11% or more depending on your dmg)

afterwards it's <40% hp, still 11% checks and at least 20% hp difference

and the third time it's <20% iirc, checks and hp diff

[queen rampart]

Ok...ghostping...

[rugged portal]

u up for dd?

[queen rampart]

Bruhhhhh

I'm already back at milita

[rugged portal]

cried

[queen rampart]

I got whole day and you just gone

[rugged portal]

you told me to play at like 8am 😭

[queen rampart]

Yes

8 am to 5:30 pm

Whole day

[pallid void]

I give up on that fucking Elite Deep Dive. I don't have any fun.

I just can't stand Point Extraction.

At least solo.

I may try coop.

[strange glade]

In my defense the fries were pretty good
BUT THE VICTORY WAS A WHOLE LOT SWEETER

[tardy radish]

decided to get over my worries of bringing down the team and did my first edd with randoms after lookin for an open lobby for a while

managed to complete it, it went extremely smooth once we got through the first mission

[coral pond]

If PE is really that bad for you then coop should help fix it. I do have one question tho; how do you get through PE on assignments, or just as regular missions? Do you just do coop outside of the dives?

[pallid void]

No. Just never did PE on higher Hazards.

Otherwise I do okay.

Also just finished it.

Got myself a good team. It was fun.

[rugged portal]

yeah you need to be decently fast and dont sit around too much

[pallid void]

I tried. I am just not good at being fast and accurate.

But I did it today, got good team. I had some possibility to burn everything alongside some other players.

Definitely helped out getting all of the bugs out alongside some help.

And I could do some fun tunneling.

I felt pretty useful.

And I did one large tunnel to the exit on 3rd stage. Was GREAT.

[coral pond]

What hazard level do you normally do PE at?

[pallid void]

3

Most things for now I do on 3.

I will start maybe going for 4 more. So far most 4s I did was for H5 assignment.

Also as Driller which was... interesting to say the least.

Especially Dreads

But I had fun finally. Truly coop is the way to go. I will probably try that more often too.

This EDD definitely taught me the fun of it.

[queen rampart]

Imagine after doing EDD and Miami start playing from hotline Miami

[wheat gull]

Hoo boy I see what folks mean about the amount of bugs in the EDD. I had nearly 1600 kills that run.

[burnt sandal]

sounds fun

I should do that one

[wheat gull]

lol

My team struggled the most with stage 2, not having air to breathe can be problematic.

[dusk tulip]

Hi everyone, i'm new here, speak french and looking for 2 volunteers for deep dive elite tonight, i've got a friend in soldier and i'm the scout

i would like to find some regular members who like great teamwork

if there's a topic where french people go i'm interested too

[primal venture]

So instead of calling in a resupply on the first stage of the EDD I just used all my ammo and hung out on a zip line above the bugs

Well I'm hanging out on a zipline right now

And a zip line I placed beforehand led straight into the drop pod

[vague oar]

I just unlocked deep dive any tips?

[wheat gull]

Biggest red flag I notice with greenbeards is going through nitra like freezies in a heatwave.

[vague oar]

So don't use the supply drop and let the better miners do it got it

[wheat gull]

It's worth mentioning that supplies (health, nitra, ammo, etc) carry over between stages. Using supplies is fine, just be sure you're not wasteful.

[still geode]

yeah if you have like 40% ammo in your primary, 60% in your secondary, 30% in your turrets and 25% of your grenades, no issues taking a resupply

if you have 80% in your primary, 40% in your secondary, 60% in your turrets and 100% of your grenades but you're at 65% HP, definitely save it for later unless the mission is about to be over and you're moving on to the next stage and nobody else needs it

[wheat gull]

ajfish reminds me of a good tip: Make sure you're using all of your gear, it helps use your supplies more efficiently

[still geode]

i often try to use up anything i'm at >50% of if i know i'm going to be taking a resupply very soon, even if it's not entirely optimal

like if i have all my grenades but 40% ammo in my primary, i'll throw a grenade at 2 grunts to kill them and then take my resupply immediately afterwards even if shooting them in the face would usually be the better option

[low jungle]

nah, just use ammo more sparingly, use a pickaxe to finish off enemies etc.

[solar stratus]

I know dd/edd map generation and objective type/locations are always the same but are swarms/spawns always the same

Did anyone else get a hiveguard spawn right before popping the cocoon in EDD stage 3

[coral pond]

Static spawns like brood nexuses, cave leeches, and spitballers are always the same

Swarm spawns can differ

I got a hiveguard spawn on stage 2 of the edd, and a mactera swarm on stage 3 of the edd for example

[solar stratus]

Ah ok makes sense

Bad luck I guess, we almost killed it but I got tossed off a cliff

[umbral arrow]

There are a few things that are fully refilled between each stage. That being Driller’s satchels and drills, Engineer’s turrets, and Scout’s Pheromones bolts (I’ve haven’t confirmed the other bolts). There might be more but I’m not sure yet.

[coral pond]

Gunner shields too iirc

[solar stratus]

Basically all tool and support ammo right

[umbral arrow]

Platform and flares I’m pretty sure do not

I’ve haven’t done a DD with gunner in forever so I can’t confirm him

But I’m confident that flares and platforms do not

I’ll check later today

[solar stratus]

Ah okay so I guess it might be support tool refills, traversal doesn’t

So ziplines included, drills too?

[umbral arrow]

ima test rn

drills are refilled for sure

satchel are refilled for sure

turrets are refilled for sure

[umbral arrow]

sheilds are not refilled

same thing with ziplines

[coral pond]

could've sworn shields get refilled

[rugged portal]

only c4 and turret get free sample iirc

[umbral arrow]

ik that C4, turrets, and drills are all refilled cause i used them to conserve ammo near the end of each stage

yeah just double checked

sheilds and ziplines are not refilled

wait sec no

thats instresteing

it syas i have zero on sheilds

but i gives you one anyways

so you get one free sheild if you have none and enter a new stage

[coral pond]

I knew i wasn't that crazy

[vital lion]

Hi guys,
How much harder is elite deep dive? I have just finished my first normal dive and it wasn't that difficult so I'm wondering if joining elite is a good idea or if I will just ruin a game for 3 other players xd

[umbral arrow]

a lot more difficult if you dont do haz 4-5 and decently hard if you are used to 4-5

although it depends weekly on how hard it is

[vital lion]

Ah, well, I'm on a 3,5 haz level now I guess

(Generally)

[umbral arrow]

yeah this one is gonna be pretty difficult

[vital lion]

I'll practice 4 haz first then, thanks

[shut plaza]

the EDD this week is brutal with no driller

on stage 2 especially

[ebon condor]

can someone help me with ping problem? I've been playing with one other person for some time now, me on Xbox and her on PC) and we have 450ms of ping, which makes the game very stressful

anyone can help?

[severe tusk]

My 3 man group did it without a Driller. You only have to pickaxe through like 10 meters or rock or so.

[pulsar dragon]

How difficult is the basic DD this week? I just promoted my first dwarf and am looking into it

I usually live in haz3-4 on missions

[still geode]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate your struggles with haz4
with 1 being "have to be carried by three level 1000+ players" and 10 being "can carry 3 greenbeards without breaking a sweat"

[rugged portal]

dd is basically just haz 3 but a little harder

which mean easy

[pulsar dragon]

Oh shit okay, no problem then

I'd probably put myself at about 5-6/10

[still geode]

if you can find yourself people to play with who are at least on the same level as you, regular DD shouldn't be a problem

[icy ledge]

me and someone else managed to solo it without driller actually, pretty smoothly (besides the final stage)

[shut plaza]

That's actually impressive, me and a friend tried to do it solo and couldnt grt past stage 2 (he did kill me witha panick cluster though)

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[trim hazel]

i found out regular deep dive mission 1 is haz 3, mission 2 is 3.5, and mission 3 is 4. elite mission 1 is haz 4, mission 2 is 5, and mission 3 is 5.5.

[dense pebble]

IIRC its 3/3.5/3.5 and 4.5/5/5.5

But you get the gist

Elite DD demands your respect and if you don’t give it it’ll eat you alive

[smoky harbor]

Stage 2 of the EDP is bullshit

Stage 1 wasn't all that hard to solo

But Stage 2 without the special mining beer would be a nightmare

[icy ledge]

I wrote a story about it above, but it got real close at the end

tldr, it was only me up, we had no will, i was one hit, and a bulk det had spawned in the dred during a swarm

true chaos

[light nacelle]

elite deep dives are the most fun content in the game tbh

[placid musk]

I'm afraid I'll piss off my other teammates in an edd since I'm inexperienced

so i don't play or host

[wheat gull]

If you're worried but you still want to try, just gotta put in a little extra leg-work to manage expectations. Take a little time to prep the lobby for a more casual, uphill, uncertain (however you want to phrase it) attempt.

Letting folks know in advance should weed out any players who are looking for a surefire victory or are in a rush.

[severe tusk]

Yeah, you can just host and say you're new or a greenbeard or whatever and lots of players will still join you. I don't mind helping newer or less skilled players out.

[icy ledge]

Indeed. It’s really just a blast when you and just 1, 2, or 3 other people are barely scraping by on these ludicrously difficult missions, and laughing the whole time

[icy ledge]

This community is really welcoming, so don’t feel afraid to say “I’m new” at all. I’ve encountered ONE toxic person in this community, and I’m sitting at about 300 hours now. Just go to the LFG, host a EDD, and give it a shot

The only thing that’s really going to hold you back in a EDD is if you have a really bad build, but that’s… pretty difficult to accomplish, considering at that point you’ve gotten at least 1 promotion and know the weapons you use

[placid musk]

I feel like a liability

i suck at shooters in general and haven't developed enough gamesense and I don't want to freeload

[cinder citrus]

You're not freeloading if you're killing bugs 😁

[wheat gull]

Ah, a few tips then:

• Playing to learn will serve you better than playing to win
• Turn your FOV as high as you can tolerate
• Never stop moving
• Prioritize your efforts! (Scout is great for clearing the ceilings, Driller's great at terraforming the cave, Engineer's great at manipulating bug pathing, Gunner's great at shooting bugs and rezzing teammates.)

[fair carbon]

how hard are deep dives

[cinder citrus]

Depends

Elite very

Normal not really

[icy ledge]

Regular deep dives have a hazard progression of 3, 3.5, and 3.5

[cinder citrus]

If you can do 3 hazards very consistently you can do a deep dive

[icy ledge]

Elite have a progression of 4.5, 5, and 5.5

On average it’s about 3.5 and 5

[celest ruin]

The best way to get better is to crank up the difficulty and hurling yourself in, and learning from failure

“Did I not coordinate enough, did I press a button too early/too late, did I position myself badly, did I tunnel vision” etc etc

If too nervous to run edd’s, run a ton of haz 5s

[cunning pond]

Play the game and you'll make mistakes. Its important to reevaluate why those mistakes occurred and then taking steps to avoid them next time.

This is the textbook definition of experience.

[coarse wharf]

everyone was a greenbeard at some point, but there are things that differentiate greenbeards from one another that either make me respect or despise them

[fair carbon]

dear god this deep dive was stressful

first phase ate up ALL our ammo

[coarse wharf]

oof

EDD?

[fair carbon]

second one we recovered pretty nicely thanks to egg/aquarq

nah normal

[coarse wharf]

o

[fair carbon]

and now we're going into a shield disruptor dreadnought

[coarse wharf]

shouldn't be too bad as long as you move and react fast enough

[fair carbon]

...I should probably get a glyphid minion

[coarse wharf]

nothing scares me more than swarmers/hatchlings in Shield Disruption

chip damage galore

every mistake you make in that warning hurts a lot more because it is somewhat permanent until you get red sugar/Vampire/re-supplies

[sweet fulcrum]

I have come to the realization through the time playing that finishing missions quickly isn't only a quality of life thing but it is also a necessity because you will run out of ammo otherwise 🙂

[coral pond]

what are your builds for stage 1 to eat up so much ammo like that???

helios has truly seen the light

[sweet fulcrum]

Yes it's common sense but in the second stage of the deep dive I literally could not find the last aqua

[coarse wharf]

yeah, speed is the name of the game in DRG

[sweet fulcrum]

I found every single one and I swear I went through every nook and cranny and could not find it

[coarse wharf]

On Hoxxes, you will always lose the battle of attrition

so just finish your stuff ASAP and GTFO

[sweet fulcrum]

It was just me and my GF and got the eggs and the aqua all but 1 And then we ended up dying because we ran out of ammo because we could not find the last one

I had no idea where It could have been

[coarse wharf]

oof

[sweet fulcrum]

We were actually in good shape up until that point had plenty left over nitra oue ammo economy was fine It was literally just we could not find it

[coarse wharf]

I like how nitra is a red mineral, it is your virtual lifeblood in the game lmfao

if you have little to none of it, you start sweating bullets

[fair carbon]

you wish you were sweating bullets

[sweet fulcrum]

Just as a general question It's a good idea to incorporate elements of single target damage as well as crowd control into your kit no matter the mission am I correct

[coarse wharf]

yep

good to have flexibility

[sweet fulcrum]

Obviously you would build more towards single target on like dreadnoughts for instance

[coarse wharf]

you never know if you would run into a random Dread spawn or a machine event that is OMEN

Or Korloks, or Nemeses, or Bulks, or Prospectors, or BET-Cs

[sweet fulcrum]

Now my second question is specifically an engineer question I'm kind of at this weird spot where I don't have any of the overclocks I want so finding ways to build my weapons and synergies in a way where my presence feels impactful has been difficult

I've been running shard defractor shotty

[coarse wharf]

What overclocks do you have for Engi?

[sweet fulcrum]

I'll get back to you on that I just went on ahead and started the deep dive with a four men

[placid musk]

lok1 breach

[coarse wharf]

I use EM Refire Stubby and VIR Shard Diffractor

[placid musk]

definition of brainless

no ocs needed

[coarse wharf]

ECR LOK-1?

o

[placid musk]

he has no ocs

[coarse wharf]

well, none of the ones he wants

[sweet fulcrum]

What would you recommend the builds for those I'm pretty sure I built them correctly but

[placid musk]

lemme look at mine

lok1 11212 breach 12113 i believe

[fair carbon]

I got the easy dreadnought

the one that's just a really really big oppressor, basically

[coarse wharf]

yep, just don't get slammed

and why Dash is goated

[rose yacht]

As an engi my problem with waves has been resolved.

[severe tusk]

I don't have good aim either, but luckily there are a lot of weapons and builds which are very effective and do not require a crack aim to be successful. Probably more important than anything is learning to constantly move/jump while fighting to avoid damage and putting yourself into favorable positions terrain-wise.

[rose yacht]

this is why RJ250 for me is so invaluable in solo runs.

mobility is too important.

KEK

[cinder citrus]

Rj250?

[rose yacht]

a OC mod for engi pgl

let's you propel yourself.

while taking a bit of dmg.

[cinder citrus]

I know the one I've been trying to get it for a while but I've had no luck

[abstract quail]

When does one know they're ready for elite deep dives?

[hasty loom]

I'd say just try it - after all what's the worst that can happen?

Although you should have played at least Haz 4 and feel somewhat comfortable there, the EDD will be a challenge though

[abstract quail]

Me and the boys usually play haz 1

[cinder citrus]

This elite deep dive is hard

Super hard

[hasty loom]

If that's true, I'd start with a normal Deep Dive. Although I find it hard to believe anyone plays Haz 1 for long.

[sweet fulcrum]

deep dive goes from haz 3 to haz 3.5 and 4 elites go 4 4.5 5

in terms of difficulty

from my understanding

a vast majority of players play haz 2-4 so its a good middle point imo

[cinder citrus]

They are generally harder than their hazard level though

[sweet fulcrum]

correct

[cinder citrus]

I would say significantly as well for elites as you need to manage your ammo well plus you sometimes have to deal with material swarms and normal swarmers back to back (the mission mods)

[sweet fulcrum]

crowd control babyyyyyyy

[severe tusk]

There are a lot of ways to deal with swarmers at least.

[sweet fulcrum]

yes yes

[cinder citrus]

The elite deep dive I did not too long ago was torture because of the god damn third mission

My team ended it with 2700 kills

[severe tusk]

My 3 man team had about 2k kills.

In about 54 minutes.

[hasty loom]

Sounds about right, we had comparable numbers.

[severe tusk]

But I think we had the least amount of downs I've ever had in a multiplayer EDD too.

[cinder citrus]

I think we had around 80down between 3 people

[sweet fulcrum]

We had shield disruption twins and it was hell

[cinder citrus]

It was a 3 man team

[severe tusk]

We had 2 downs total for 3 people 😛

Two greybeards though.

[cinder citrus]

I was gonna post the screenshot into the gallery but it won't let me though?

[cinder citrus]

What level is considered grey beard?

100 is it

[severe tusk]

Discord has tiny upload sizes by default.

[cinder citrus]

It's not that it won't let me even see my gallery it's greyed out

[severe tusk]

I'm level 1021 or something, another guy was 666, but stopped promoting it looked like, so it's possible he's played more than me. The last player was level 34, but he did quite well.

Ah, I don't know then, I have never posted there. I just take screen shots of EDD scoreboards for my own benefit to look back on.

I have done 94 of them now.

[coarse wharf]

I hope Driller gets a Tesla Cannon

UNLIMITED... POWEEEEEEEER!

[cinder citrus]

I wanted to post my screenshot because I had an engi with quite a lot of kills but zero revives and 30 down

[severe tusk]

Have they announced anything that's going to be in season 4 yet? I haven't been paying attention.

[coarse wharf]

not much, just hints of new hostile fauna

thank goodness it's not more Rival Tech...

[severe tusk]

Ah, new biome would be nice.

[cinder citrus]

They said I don't now when but a while ago that it wouldn't be robots

[severe tusk]

I am one of the few people who actually doesn't mind fighting the robots.

[cinder citrus]

They have too much health and their damage is nuts

Especially shredders

[severe tusk]

And I enjoy the Caretaker fight, although I wouldn't want to do it multiple times in a row.

[cinder citrus]

I enjoy caretaker but not the other bots

[hasty loom]

There was a bit too much Caretaker lately. It's nice now and then but gets repetitive quickly.

[elfin mural]

I've heard Patrol Bots have health rivaling that of a Praetorian

[hasty loom]

Rival Presence is not that bad imo.

[severe tusk]

Every class has ways of dealing with the shredders easily, at least.

[cinder citrus]

But they move so fast

[coarse wharf]

well, post-nerf Patrol Bots are not so bad

they were even worse before Season 3

[severe tusk]

Do you use Dash?

Yeah, Patrol bots used to move faster, IIRC.

[cinder citrus]

Debatable

Especially in high hazards

[severe tusk]

Driller has drills and wave cooker, Engi has LOK-1 (Explosive Chemical Rounds wrecks them), Scout has boomerangs, Gunner has Coil Gun/Shield.

[rugged portal]

every class except for scout 😍

[cunning pond]

Scout a great way to clear shredders from his own bubble.

simply take that bubble.

And move it somewhere else

[cinder citrus]

But I would have to specifically use certain weapons just to combat them which is unfun

[severe tusk]

Boomerang is actually great vs. shredders. I still don't ever use them, but if you want to be able to take care of shredders easily as scout, take boomerangs.

[coarse wharf]

you can stick IFGs onto the Caretaker, right?

must it be on top?

or can you stick them at the sides?

[cinder citrus]

Ifg?

[coarse wharf]

Scout's first grenade

[severe tusk]

Getting to a choke point and throwing down an IFG works well slowing them too.

You can stick IFGs on the Caretaker, but you have to be precise with your throws, or else they can bounce off and fall on the floor.

[coarse wharf]

like... would sticking them at the top affect all weakspots, or do I have to throw them at the eyes?

I am not sure how the Caretaker's hitbox works

Like, does the IFG field only have to touch the Caretaker in order for all the eyes to take 30% more damage?

[severe tusk]

You might be able to get the IFG to cover two of the spinning corner weak spots. It's easier to land on the eye when it opens.

I think it's just what it's touching, but I haven't tested it.

[coarse wharf]

hard to test since you can't spawn Caretaker with sandbox utilities

[rugged portal]

can't you just start a normal caretaker mission with god mode or smt

[coarse wharf]

probably could

[severe tusk]

Yeah, I never use mods, I just play vanilla DRG. Maybe someone like LazyMaybe tested it.

[hushed sequoia]

you can spawn it with sandbox utilities

though i think it's in the creative spawners menu

[severe tusk]

If you hate robots and have a good aim, you can spec Scout's M1000 with Supercooling Chamber for max damage and one shot patrol bots and also destroy the Caretaker quickly.

With focus shots. Very low ammo though.

[cinder citrus]

On hazard 5?

[violet warren]

When you take a momentum/hotfeet/getingetout superfast build and roll rich atmosphere

Really takes "quantum tunnel into the next area code and directly into a cave leech" literally, luckily I was able to counter the leeches

[severe tusk]

Yeah, with a full team, unless they changed it at some point in the last 4 months or whatever.

I tried it once or twice a while back, but haven't used it since.

Just mentioning it since some people said how much they hate patrol bots.

[coarse wharf]

good to know, thank you

[cinder citrus]

I'm curious how do you guys have badges?

[coarse wharf]

I joined the server through the game

believe you have to select your Union chapter

Mine is Mighty Miners

[cinder citrus]

Xbox gamer

[coarse wharf]

oof...

It's probably only for Steam

idk tho

someone can correct me

[cinder citrus]

😔

[severe tusk]

I wonder how controller is for DRG. That could definitely make things a lot harder.

[cinder citrus]

I actually fine

Although I've only ever played on controller since I was young so Im very used to it

[severe tusk]

I hear some games are really generous with aim assist while others are pretty harsh.

[coarse wharf]

Max Payne 3...

that game had very precise hitboxes

[cinder citrus]

I don't think there's aim assist in drg

I could be wrong but I'm almost certain it's non existent

[severe tusk]

I would probably be awful on controller then.

Although, as I said to someone earlier, there are plenty of weapons and builds where you don't need great aim.

[cinder citrus]

I've put maybe 70 days into rainbow six siege so I'm quite used to no aim assist

[rose yacht]

an example of this is EM discharge.

just shoot at the turret and it kills stuff around you

probably except for the tough ones but that's not much of a problem either.

[coarse wharf]

laughs in Shard Diffractor

Engi is just super flexible

[rose yacht]

pretty much what my build is currently.

[coarse wharf]

ye

[rose yacht]

I have the clean OC that gives my shard diffractor extra ammo.

[coarse wharf]

I love Volatile Impact Reactor

[rose yacht]

not sure if its better than the OC that acts like a mini gun though.

[coarse wharf]

great swarm clear while retaining respectable single-target DPS

[rose yacht]

I like big boy more.

if its for swarm clears.

not sure if its good for chunky enemies.

[coarse wharf]

Fat Boy?

[rose yacht]

yeah fat boi

[coarse wharf]

Probably an unpopular opinion... but it's an overrated OC, it's fun as hell for sure though

[rose yacht]

not overrated but simply popular due to how effective it does it work during swarm waves.

radiation is disgusting.

[coarse wharf]

my perspective on Fat Boy is probably warped by the amount of greenbeards being so bad at using it properly

[rose yacht]

the chance of getting yourself killed is really high though.

i sometimes shot myself with fat boy with nothing in front of me.

[coarse wharf]

or teammates

[rose yacht]

hit box is glitchy sometimes.

[coarse wharf]

and Fat Boy has a high chance of breaking hacking pod connections if the user shoots it recklessly

[rose yacht]

that's just bad placed shots.

its great crowd control tool

[coarse wharf]

I know, hence why I said my perspective is warped by the amount of bad players using Fat Boy

[rose yacht]

the only issue we have with fat boy is during team composition.

solo wise it create a safety net for you.

literal kill zone.

[coarse wharf]

Engi has no shortage of tools when it comes to crowd control, while offering more flexibility than Fat Boy imo

[severe tusk]

I just always use Breach Cutter with a general purpose build because I am boring.

[rose yacht]

agreed, i had rj250 and it feels safer to use.

but fat boy is just fun and satisfying to see.

[coarse wharf]

Engi has Turret Whip on Warthog, Stubby, ECR LOK-1, RJ250 PGL, Breach Cutter, VIR Shard Diffractor etc

And yeah, Fat Boy is super fun

who doesn't like nuking their enemies to dust?

[rose yacht]

including your own teamates.

its their fault for being in the middle of a swarm.

Die for the sake of victory.

[coarse wharf]

well, never liked friendly fire with randoms, but I am okay with it when I am with friends

[rose yacht]

but yeah, fat boy is about decision making...
Sometimes its already too late to use it if the swarms already got too close.

so 0 hesitation is probably a better option when you see a giant swarm heading your way.

[coarse wharf]

yep

[rose yacht]

after using stubby

the damage isn't that bad.

single target wise.

as long as you hit the weakpoint anyways.

[coarse wharf]

I underestimated Stubby big time

I only used it for EM Discharge before, but I never knew how good it can be with EM Refire

[rugged portal]

you can build it like a discounted gk2 ofm

[rose yacht]

EM refire is good too, but i like discharge for the Aoe it provides.

[rugged portal]

with bad spread

[coarse wharf]

I use 12112 EM Refire Stubby, it surprised me

[rose yacht]

the turret can easily provide you with the single target dmg you want.

[coarse wharf]

spread is not too bad if you tap fire

[rugged portal]

either you use hawkeye to actually get the turret to target what you want or you use defender to like almost double your damage

😍

[rose yacht]

i use defender for obvius reason.

XD

more dps is always better

[coarse wharf]

having more control because of the limited angle where your turrets shoot is good too

[rugged portal]

nah

not when the other is almost double damage

[coarse wharf]

talking in favour of Defender

Hawkeye is meh

[rugged portal]

i saw the funny edit

[coarse wharf]

ye, thought to clarify

[rose yacht]

oh shit radiation inclusion zone.

my one weakness

[cinder citrus]

Difficult deep dive

[coarse wharf]

that one well spawn in crappy terrain

super easy to get stuck

[placid musk]

this was my third death

[coarse wharf]

I feel that

[placid musk]

i beat my first edd today

statistically i did better than i expected but I still felt useless

high moment was torching swarmageddon with fire bolts💀

[coarse wharf]

Fire Bolt is spicy

[placid musk]

very helpful indeed

[rose yacht]

can u perform temp shock using fire bolt and cryo grenade.

[kind whale]

First attempt at an Elite Deep Dive went horribly wrong

100 ping the entire time, driller tried to teamkill me for no reason, died next to the escape shuttle

[cunning pond]

I mean.

This statement could've ended at just.

radiation

[woeful niche]

ofc

[kind whale]

Attempt 2, at layer 3

We died

Not enough petting the breather for good luck

[blissful anchor]

yo how long do i need to wait for new deep dive's to appear?

[still geode]

they rotate on a weekly basis

you can see the exact time until the next rotation in the deep dive terminal

[blissful anchor]

yea i see it

thx

[coarse wharf]

<@&296918282403840000> ban this clown @stoic raven

[rose yacht]

[wraith shard]

Ok Edward but what are your thoughts on this week deep dive

[junior pendant]

don't forget to finish this week's deep dive alright?
those cores ain't gonna get themselves

[rain wharf]

Can u repeatedly do deep dives to farm cores?

[still geode]

core and overclock rewards are only given once a week

[tight zealot]

is it worth learning to epc mine?

[still geode]

its a fast and effective way of mining ore veins, so if you're interested in that, it's probably worth learning

[brisk spear]

yes, very. super rewarding and effective

[still geode]

do note that EPC mining was changed at one point to launch the mined minerals instead of dropping them in one neat pile, so it's generally not an ideal method for veins in large areas as you may need to travel far to pick everything up (and may not find everything as a result)

[tight zealot]

are there any resources / videos explaining the timing?

[old widget]

Honestly it’s worth learning to use TCF in general, it’s a great offensive tool too

Lots of videos on YT about it, a quick search will get you want you want

[tight zealot]

ty

[still geode]

yeah, it's one of driller's better options for things like mactera swarms too, plus it's a great way to kill a large group of frozen enemies all at once

[tight zealot]

people have told me to use the drills for frozen enemies

[still geode]

the drills are generally a good option, but sometimes you'll have a bunch of frozen enemies but a few unfrozen slashers or a trijaw hanging around and it's risky to go in for melee

[brisk spear]

thats only if youre using vampire tbh

[tight zealot]

ty

[coral pond]

Drills can fear and stun too, so learning to effectively use that to your advantage can be big

[fervent pecan]

Failed the last mission on my first deep dive. Was in a panic

[dense pebble]

When in doubt run away

Unless you use vampirism.

[tight zealot]

what difficulty are deep dives / elite deep dives

[fervent pecan]

Will keep that in mind

[reef veldt]

3.5/4/4.5 for DD, 4.5/5/5.5 for EDD

[rugged portal]

3/3.5/3.5 for dd

[reef veldt]

Whoopsie

[rocky crescent]

anyone wanna do a deep dive

[dense heath]

can i do that as a new player?

i mean my brother plays a lot on our account but i read somewhere that you cant do these as a new player

[rocky crescent]

no you gotta play a class till said class is lv 25, do the mission thing to promote them, and then you can do deep dives

[dense heath]

ah damn

[rocky crescent]

if any class has a star you can do deep dives

[dense heath]

where is the star supposed to be?

[rocky crescent]

just above the guy's head

[dense heath]

ah okey i dont think i have that

[rugged portal]

my spine disappeared after edd

[icy ledge]

My spine displaced about 4 inches after the shaking I had

[thick epoch]

I can’t solo this EDD 😭

I’m just not good enough and get rolled by the on-site refining part

[raw crane]

anyone know a good engie loadout for this EDD?

[narrow portal]

I haven't done a deep dive yet

and they seem a little long to do alone

[celest ruin]

its like an hour if you're doing a casual stroll

[narrow portal]

Can people join in or do I need people in the space rig

[celest ruin]

can't join once it starts

[coral pond]

honestly i'd go ECR + RJ/Hyper-prop

[icy ledge]

I would recommend volatile impact, if you want my 2 cents

The ambushes get nasty

[queen rampart]

@rugged portal Any plan for future edd? You might want to set up the right time.

I can not play after 5pm

[unkempt dew]

You know, I had thought about it earlier, but since dread eggs are hatched - the entire elite deep dive this week is egg hunt themed

As is the deep dive

[novel moth]

any tips for someone trying to do their first elite deep dive?

[unkempt dew]

This one isn’t beginner friendly, especially solo. I recommend joining a team and having a driller.

Deep dive teams have an emphasis on speed. Less time spent doing all you need to do means less swarms to handle

This doesn’t necessarily mean do everything fast though

What it means is you need to accommodate tasks between teamates. If someone else can do something, and there’s something only you can do - do what only you can do

An example appropriate to this elite deep dive is a driller building refinery pipes, while other pipes don’t even have tunnels built yet

@novel moth play efficiently and rationally. Coordinate with your team. You’ll do fine

[novel moth]

thanks, I realized I'm missing out on overclocks by never trying

[unkempt dew]

Never trying?

Oh the deep dives

[novel moth]

yeah

[unkempt dew]

If it helps, you get the weapon oc on stage 2

So finishing a dive isn’t required to get the oc reward

(But don’t disconnect midway through the dive. You probably lose the loot anyways, and it shafts everybody else)

@novel moth what class do you plan on using?

[novel moth]

engineer or driller, are my most comfortable

[unkempt dew]

Driller will need to be quick and smart with the pipes stage 2. The generation is very mean, and has an o2 warning.

Stage 1, you want to focus on keeping swarms clean, making tunnels easier to move in, and getting aqua.

coordinate on when to pop both eggs. For both stage 1 and 2

Stage 3 is a dread +morkite mission. It is extremely easy compared to the others. Driller will take backseat for it because of elemental resists, so make sure you make the arena nice and just do standard driller morkite stuff

Engineer on stage 1 and 2 should keep the deposits sites safe. Stage 1, you want to plat roof nitra immediately after clearing the early cave spawns

Breach cutter comes recommended because of how much flat ground and narrow tunnels come into play

You can make anything work though

Use plats to make fall damage harder to take. Place a plat at the bottom of large drops where you think it’s reasonable someone would want to drop there

For stage 2 engie, you’re gonna be a pipe monkey. Do what the driller can’t focus on, leave scout for mining and gunner for swarms

Consider playing around your gunner as engie. Driller and scout will be handling their own tasks

@novel moth good luck and have fun!

[novel moth]

really thorough response, thank you

[unkempt dew]

This edd was hard as engie, don’t worry if you mess up.

Also - in the rare event someone starts docking on you because you “caused the loss” that’s their own problem. No one mistake is that fatal, and unless you’re actively griefing or missing nitra - a competent team can 3 man a 4 man edd

Baby rage is for babies

But of course, be open to feedback

[cinder citrus]

What a chad

[wheat gull]

I'm contemplating running the DD or EDD to blow off steam. Wanna shoot bugs.

[placid musk]

edd makes you more pissed off, play the dd

quite liked it

[cunning pond]

Something I hear very rarely in DRG is blaming someone else for the team's loss.

Its just unreasonable in pretty much every case.

Even in most cases where people blame other players. They're usually extremely new or ignorant on mechanics.

So again- its unreasonable.

[rain wharf]

Can i do deep dive for 3 cores and then elite deep dive for another 3?

[pliant yoke]

You absolutely can

[simple flame]

started the game on Sunday just finished my first deep dive solo on engi

ran stubby breach no ocs😂

[pliant yoke]

How did it go?

Smooth sailing, did you struggle with anything?

[simple flame]

I didn't have much firepower with stubby and breach cutter for the twin dreadnoughts

no overclocks

stage 2 was disgusting

an hour 22 compared to 21 mins in the last one

[rugged portal]

probably weekend again but ill try to play at like 2pm or noon

[tight zealot]

is there a way to make driller useful in elimination / industrial sabotage

[placid musk]

fire in sabo, ice in elim

[pliant yoke]

Cryo fares well in Elimination

[placid musk]

sludge ok in both

[tight zealot]

really? it feels like im just shooting it and not building up any cryo

[placid musk]

shoot the butt

[pliant yoke]

Driller suffers in the fight against the Caretaker, besides his trait of throwing C4 on top of it to easily destroy the vents, but has certain overclock or other equipment that can help

[pliant yoke]

Also, make sure to pick Cold Radiance in T5 mods

It helps IMMENSELY with freezing power if you are up close and personal

[placid musk]

the fire can instakill the tentacles

ice pairs well with impact axe, spam it at the weakspots when the dreads are frozen

[pliant yoke]

So can melee attacks, and hitting tentacles with fire is a little wonky, but that’s not to say it can’t be effective

[still geode]

sludge is better for elim than cryo if your team does not have something to complement your cryo

[pliant yoke]

Fire is very effective in IS, just not very much when it comes to dealing damage to the Caretaker

[still geode]

dreads don't stay frozen long, but it's long enough to hit em with a hyperprop

[placid musk]

yeah cryo's more of a support effect for your damage dealers

[tight zealot]

tbh might use sludge for elim just for the fact that if anyone is running anything fire related im useless

[still geode]

you can't really go wrong with sludge imo

[placid musk]

unless their build depends on fire they probably have something to complement your ice

[still geode]

it's also that freezing a dread doesn't really do much if nobody has a good followup

you need something that hits really hard in a very short timeframe due to how fast dreads unfreeze

[pliant yoke]

Also, on Sludge, you can take T5A on Eliminations to debilitate Dreads’ movement a bit more

Which can make flanking them easier for either yourself or your team

[tight zealot]

what build for flame thrower do you use on sabo

[still geode]

anything that heats enemies up well

[placid musk]

heat radiance + the mod that sets things on fire faster in T2

[still geode]

because robotic enemies will die almost instantly after catching fire

[placid musk]

the other mods you can freely mix and match

[pliant yoke]

Also, I’m not sure what or if you have any OCs, but don’t sleep on Ice Storm for Cryo in Industrial Sabotage

It’s DECENT enough that you will be able to deal damage safely over medium distances, and maybe freezing and finishing Patrol bots with a secondary weapon/throwable

It’s not nearly as good as just running CRSPR or Sludge pump, but it’s one reliable mean to justify bringing Cryo to IS

[night sorrel]

Is the weapon overclock in deep dive randomize?

[pliant yoke]

It is very much a random overclock, yes

[daring grotto]

Ummmmmm I think my gunner is broke in statistics their distance traveled says inf km

idk what happened

[rose yacht]

I wonder if they will buff caretaker claws to grab dwarves that get too close to them.

KEK

[coarse wharf]

Can never go wrong with Sludge Pump in either missions

Rival Tech enemies have -100% resistance to Corrosive damage

So with Volatile Impact Mixture CSP with normal shot damage up mod, each shot does 72 damage, without including the DoT

Impact Axes can one-shot Caretaker arms if power attacking isn't an option at the moment

Cryo Cannon works best in Elimination missions if your team is coordinated enough, pays attention and have some members, if not all, have at least 1 weapon built for burst damage. Frozen status buffs all direct damage by 3x

you can drill safe cover for your team, chuck C4s from above the Caretaker to easily destroy the intakes

[placid musk]

is sludge shot good for sabo??

[coarse wharf]

Sludge Blast?

Or just the Sludge Pump in general?

I usually use Volatile Impact Mixture if I know I am going to fight bosses

[rugged portal]

sludge blast is accurate as hell

[coarse wharf]

All Rival Tech enemies have -100% resistance to corrosive damage, meaning they take roughly 50% more damage from CSP

Caretaker has -160%

[placid musk]

sludge blast

i have the oc

melts praets like butter

haz5

[pliant yoke]

Not exactly - corrosive damage is just a component of CSPs damage, as it’s split evenly (50/50) between kinetic and corrosive damage

[coarse wharf]

ah, gotcha

[pliant yoke]

It’s still a sizeable increase

Sludge Blast and VIM can definitely lift their weight in the fight with Caretaker

Base CSP is not half bad at it either, but since at base it relies more so on its DoT to kill dissolve stuff, it will not be nearly as effective

[coarse wharf]

takes 2 Sludge Blasts to kill a Patrol Bot on Haz 5/4-player scaling, but you can't miss a single fragment

[rose yacht]

Missing fragments

[coarse wharf]

it happens

[empty hedge]

"Put up some pipes they said"
"It'll be easy they said"

[pliant yoke]

AAAEGH

[wheat gull]

Nah I enjoy challenge. I ended up running the EDD; although I was a little disappointed. Once we hit stage 3 everybody suddenly turned into a speed-runner, kinda killed the fun for me. Kept getting left behind to fight giant swarms by myself while trying to collect the minerals etc

[grim wadi]

is there anywhere more for this info? the wiki doesnt mention it has any weaknesses

[coarse wharf]

I only know it through the DRG wiki

[pliant yoke]

Wiki.gg of DRG does mention it in Basic information table

[old widget]

Yeah, regularly scheduled PSA that Fandom wiki is outdated and no longer the official wiki (but often better at SEO so shows up higher in search results) - use wiki.gg instead.

[grim wadi]

nor for caretakers own page, ill have to test myself to be sure, i vaguely recal it wasnt that effective but ill have to retest
edit: i cant read lol

is nice that the other robots do take more damage from it, for a while i thought sludge wasnt a great choice in IS

[grim wadi]

oh mb i misread that message completely lol

[pliant yoke]

I was just typing something along the lines of “must be something iffy on your end, because it clearly is working for me”, but I’m glad you observed and reflected :P

[grim wadi]

xD

i both failed to realize you mean a different wiki AND that you said "does" not "doesnt", its one of those days i think

[placid musk]

any gunner tips?

in general

[dense pebble]

Your primary task is to kill everything that moves.

In boss fights, make sure your focusing on DPS as much as you can; let your teammates handle smaller threats.

Your bubble shield is a huge asset. Use it to res teammates, or to give your team a safe haven when a swarm overwhelms you.

Just remember that mini bosses often have earthquake attacks which the shield does not protect against.

Bridge gaps with ziplines, especially on point extraction. Try to look at the cave and predict areas where travel with them would be helpful.

But the essence of gunner is to find danger and squash it, allowing the team to focus on other things.

-Scout lights up, mines and scouts ahead;
-Engi shapes terrain with platforms and defends fixed areas;
-Driller makes refinery missions ten times faster and ensures you make it back to the drop pod.

[void stump]

Well the essence of EDD is to go fast, even more so on multiplayer as you and your team will exhaust your resources even faster then in solo, so yeah

[coral pond]

Why do people not want to go fast in an edd? Like, there's nothing to do but the objectives and you're going to lose a battle of attrition

[warped veldt]

my guess is people cant/dont want to mentally keep up with the added pressure of doing things quickly

[rose yacht]

driller task is to give space in objectives.

[warped veldt]

driller is also just as effective as gunner when it comes to mowing down big hordes of bugs

[rose yacht]

people forget and just mindlessly use c4 like a grenade when u can create alot of space in the area to protect is crap and tight.

i find rock mover really good at breaking down walls so my team can have space to see where the swarm is coming from.

[slim ice]

making space is an engineer job

[rose yacht]

he cant dig walls

[slim ice]

exactly

[rose yacht]

🤣 i had obj drop down a hole

[slim ice]

driller does objecctive

[rose yacht]

freaking mule defence missions.

[slim ice]

engineer literally just has to setup moveable land

[rose yacht]

so yeah, both are equally useful in certain scenarios

[void stump]

Driller expand the size of the defense area and ask engie to plaster platforms above the uplink/fuel cell, simple

[rose yacht]

exactly what i meant.

some drillers tend to mess up and forget they had drills xd

[slim ice]

engie mains r either the smartest person in the lobby or they have no idea how to shoot a platform gun

[rose yacht]

i suck at using the platform gun

but at least there are platforms.

xd

[placid musk]

i feel slow and an easy pick for the bugs, even when I have a shield. my team are usually in different places when a swarm starts and my stubby legs cant get to them fast enough

[warped veldt]

one of the best and most simple tips ive used for gunner is to pretty much always bunnyhop in combat

the move speed reduction of his primaries only applies while youre on the ground so if you jump like a madman you can essentially use his guns while at sprint speed

[dense pebble]

Its important to remember that none of the classes are locked into specific roles, necessarily. Different builds allow you to do just about anything you like.
The game is designed around teamwork, and the more you lean into that the better you'll do.

an example: I mostly play gunner, and on a haz 4 caretaker mission an Engineer with nuke grenades had me put a zipline over the caretaker. He used that to drop fat bois directly on top of the caretaker, which pretty much insta-killed its vent phase.

[rose yacht]

pretty much this.

[dense pebble]

Disclaimer - this is pretty dangerous if you don't set it up beforehand, because if the engi gets shot off the zipline he will die.

the Caretaker has some kind of attack that basically one-shots you if you land on top of it

even through a gunner shield.

[rose yacht]

u can build engi focused on swarm clears but horrid at single target dps.

[dense pebble]

so don't think this is a meta caretaker strat or anything.

[coarse wharf]

number one tip for any of the 4 classes: learn to do everything by yourself

[rose yacht]

i refuse!

carry me senpai

[coarse wharf]

may seem easy, but you will run into a ton of people who would just ping stuff endlessly rather than just doing it themselves

even when they are right next to minerals they can easily mine themselves

[wheat gull]

Nah, I get a sense of urgency, time is nitra. In this case it felt like needless rushing, reckless even. We also had Pots 'o Gold, so I was making sure to mine out the gold that everybody else seemed to ignore. 😛

[coarse wharf]

like seeing an Engi ping a vein of minerals he just put a platform underneath, when he is the closest to said vein and can very easily jump onto the platform

[warped veldt]

are you sure this is actually a thing

[rose yacht]

but scout.

[warped veldt]

ive landed on top of caretaker a ton of times as scout

[rose yacht]

our mineral harvesting slave.

and lighter.

[coarse wharf]

while I wasn't around during that time of the game when EPC mining used to not blast minerals everywhere, it was hilarious to me at how many people freaked out and thought it would make Scout irrelevant

their shortsightedness was really plain to see tbh

[rose yacht]

lol people calling flare useless.

dum dum belief

[warped veldt]

flare haters trying to find the acid spitter on the pitch dark ceiling

[rose yacht]

it reduces so much time and reveals a wide cave that its irreplaceable in big areas...

[coarse wharf]

I wished EPC mining still dropped minerals directly down to you

[rose yacht]

the only problem with flare is it makes finding hidden cache.

[coarse wharf]

like... good, make my job as a Scout easier, and make the whole run faster for everyone

[rose yacht]

but thats minor.

[warped veldt]

you usually use terrain scanner for that anyways

[rose yacht]

u need to ping the helmet first to see it on the scanner.

[warped veldt]

oh i thought you meant naturally spawning tunnels that are easy to miss

[wheat gull]

Gunner tips, eh? Lets see..

• You can potentially bring great ammo efficiency to the team; I like to build and play so that I can bring a ton of wave-clear and still offer my resupply to another player if they need it.
• The zipline is a trap. It's like a rope ladder; it can technically be useful, but it's going to be slow and awkward and when everything is on fire it becomes a liability.
• Your shield has some great uses, so spend it wisely. It's great for rezzing teammates, blocking tunnels, protecting the team from a mactera swarm, blocking a Nemesis, pushing Detonators/Dreadnoughts.

[coarse wharf]

shields make re-supplying extremely safe too

[rose yacht]

the issue with gunner is the player need to not forget they have shield.

i keep forgetting i have shield.

kekekke

[wheat gull]

True, I'll often call out my intention to shield the resupply a few seconds beforehand to give my team time to take advantage of it.

[coarse wharf]

yeah, I don't think it's entirely the player's fault that the shield is often overlooked, since the in-game information is extremely vague about what it actually does

[coarse wharf]

to add onto this, if you need to spend a zipline to gather a vein of nitra on the wall/ceiling because there's no one else nearby at the moment, just do it yourself

[rose yacht]

rope baby.

idk why ppl wont mine it.

so lazy

[coarse wharf]

laziness, and perhaps no sense of urgency

heck, if I am playing Scout, both platforms and ziplines are welcomed since they add a safety net while I am mining on the walls/ceiling

[dense pebble]

I saw it happen twice. It may not be intended for people on top but it definitely exists

[warped veldt]

maybe it was something else like a patrol bot

[dense pebble]

It could be the base electricity stuff just hits that high.

[warped veldt]

thats true

[dense pebble]

nope, it was an instant-down with no source I could see.

hit the engi and myself.

fortunately I insta-rezzed him the second before I went down so he rezzed me back and we legged it

[coral pond]

Do you have a recording of this? I've stood on the caretaker through almost an entire phase before and never had that happen

[dense pebble]

Sadly no.

I should have.

Obviously the battle is chaotic, I really can’t say where the damage came from

I can only confirm it did come from somewhere

[brisk pagoda]

maybe you got hit by a stabby noodle, sniper turret, and the caretaker electric nova at the same time?

[dense pebble]

It felt like a single source

I didn’t see any visual queues apart from the flashing lights which are a staple of said battle

[coral pond]

Were you already up there when the engi went down or did you have to get up there afterwards?

[dense pebble]

I watched him go down, ziplined up there, dropped down, insta-res, suddenly dead not even a second after (from full shield), he insta-res’s me, we both GTFO

And before you ask, no mods

[coral pond]

Could've been an arm slam from behind then

[dense pebble]

Maybe

[old widget]

arms won't hit through shields though (anymore)

[dense pebble]

It happened this week

[brisk pagoda]

they do

[old widget]

fixed in a recent-ish patch, they will transition to shooting at a target inside a shield

[coral pond]

That's the most likely scenario cause like i said, i spent almost an entire phase on top and never had that happen to me

[dense pebble]

I dunno I just assume hanging around there is death

It was the final phase. Maybe its not active at first

[coral pond]

I mean its funny but not really useful to be up there anyways. Can't hit the eyes and hitting the vents is nauseating

[old widget]

According to patch 5 notes (from 11/17), they don't anymore:

• Fixed Caretaker tentacles not always respecting objects and stabbing through things like supply pods
• Caretaker Tentacles will no longer stab into the gunner's shield but will shoot at it instead

Admittedly I haven't tested it recently. Things do break again (or aren't fixed to begin with)

[dense pebble]

And no room to maneuver.

But a fat boy grenade up there does magic.

[coral pond]

driller c4's more consistent

[coarse wharf]

VIR Shard Diffractor, baby

[dense pebble]

Worth a try

But the radiation is what made it work that time

Next time I do caretaker with driller I might give it a go

[coral pond]

Pretty sure caretaker isn't affected by the rads

[dense pebble]

It definitely is

[coral pond]

[dense pebble]

The vents all took DoT

Just the vents though it didn’t reach the eye.

[coral pond]

I'll have to double check that next time i do a sabo

[coarse wharf]

I never recall that ever happening

[dense pebble]

Thats likely the hard part, is getting the radiation in the right place.

[old widget]

Wiki doesn't specify special resistances for radiation for any rival tech, so I guess the bots aren't rad-hardened. TIL

Raw data here for Caretaker:
https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Rival_Caretaker/Data#Weaknesses

[coarse wharf]

I don't recall ever seeing the intakes' health ticking down due to radiation

[coral pond]

Yeah, same

[coarse wharf]

And my biases may be in play here, but Fat Boy is a 2-trick pony: terrain carving and clearing out a ton of bugs

with not much ammo to boot

granted, it's fun as fuck to reduce everything in the vicinity to ashes

But Hyper Propellent PGL and Volatile Impact Reactor/Overdrive Booster Shard Diffractor have so much versatility

also, Caretaker has 45% explosion damage resistance, which is funny given that the rest of the Rival Tech roster has at least -100% resistance to explosions

you can use Shard Diffractor with Dazzler Module (T5C) to slow a Patrol Bot down long enough for you to fire 2 Turret Whips at it, which nearly kills it and you can easily finish it off with Shard Diffractor

[coral pond]

Shard can also overheat turrets from a distance, with their shields up

[coarse wharf]

yep

Sniper turrets? Not a problem.

[coral pond]

H-prop one-shots patrol bots if you're good with it

[coarse wharf]

yep

[dense pebble]

I saw shards in action it definitely is good.

And the initial explosion did almost nothing

But the vents took rad damage for sure. All ticked down quickly and at the same rate

And remember he shot from above to hit the top of the caretaker dead center, so the rad cloud was basically inside the thing

[jade sluice]

caretaker is immune to radiation, they had to nerf it because of fatboy

you could shoot one and it would do all the breaks

[dense pebble]

Hmmm

Well it happened somehow

Idk I’m a gunner main I just shoot things

I wasn’t the host… is it possible he had a mod or something enabled?

[coarse wharf]

very likely, all things considered

[rugged portal]

you don't need to aim for weakpoint so might as well do it

[dense pebble]

Could have been responsible for my insta death on top too.

[fluid cliff]

account created today

[dense pebble]

Sus hmmm

[undone parrot]

Literally posted everywhere

[fluid cliff]

account banned today

[dense pebble]

Yep

I bet if you replied it would DM you with something… interesting

And then steal all your info

I think I’m gonna try and do EDD for the first time today

I am scared but I need OCs badly

[old widget]

you can doo eet

[slender citrus]

I just finished it, easiest one I've done so far, you got this!

[dense pebble]

I haven’t actually ever played haz 5 before

But I’m alright with haz 4

[old widget]

did it last night with three bronze 1-2 randoms, cue benny hill theme. we got through it though

[coral pond]

The sandblasted one from a couple weeks ago was easier, but honestly this one ain't bad. Just be careful if solo cause the well spawns in stage 2 are pretty shit

[dense pebble]

I won’t be solo

Will probs use #lfg-steam

I got leadstorm OC on my gunner and I’m pretty confident with the build

[coarse wharf]

Can never go wrong with Lead Storm

[chilly onyx]

Haz 5 is a different breed, but I feel like 4 -> 5 is easier than 3 -> 4

[dense pebble]

As long as I manage ammo and don’t get bogged down I should be fine

[old widget]

LSLS is an amazing OC, but its downsides (restricted movement) can be pretty rough on newbies trying to move up to Haz5. Survival in Haz5 is all about positioning and movement, so don't be surprised if you struggle a bit trying to step into Haz5 with that OC.

[dense pebble]

I’m working on mastering the whole bunny hop thing, but I mostly only do that against swarms. Against point targets I wait for an opening and then hold down the trigger as long as I can

And I have burst pistol and cluster nades for backup

I’ll put lead spray on it whenever it drops

[old widget]

do you have magic bullets OC for bulldog?

[dense pebble]

No

No triple tech chambers either

Big sad

[old widget]

even without magic bullets, running neuro explosive bulldog can be a nice CC option on your secondary to pair with LSLS

neuro is max cheese with its OP slow effect, but it's effective

[dense pebble]

The explosive damage can spread neurotoxin?

That is interesting

I have six shooter too…

[old widget]

yeah, take explosive in T3 and neuro in T5, it's pretty nuts

works best with magic bullets OC because of the extra chance for neuro to proc on ricochet, but it's still viable with no OC

[rugged portal]

I wouldn't recommend it without magic bullet

the extra ricochet help a tons

also you get more ammo

the explosion radius is like 1.5m too

[old widget]

I wonder if six shooter could help there, just spam shots a bit more

[dense pebble]

Seems like it’d be a decent second option

I’ll test it out

[old widget]

trying to cobble together no-OC secondary CC options for gunner, gonna be some compromises

[dense pebble]

When in doubt shield

Or run away

[old widget]

I guess coilgun could work

for CC

[dense pebble]

Coilgun is super satisfying to use

I really like it

[rugged portal]

no oc cc secondary for gunner is iffy

what primary are you running

[dense pebble]

Double Leadstorm is the only really good one I have.

[rugged portal]

list like all of the one you have

[dense pebble]

Will be making builds for big bertha and salvo module, someday.

Um

[rugged portal]

I don't recommend lsls unless you have really good cc secondary and without oc it hard to do

[dense pebble]

Thin drums, compact feed, leadstorm, bullet hell (lmao)

Splintering shells

Frag missiles

[rugged portal]

frag missile is amazing

what secondary oc do you have

[dense pebble]

Six shooter
Composite casings
Re-atomizer and backfeed.

[rugged portal]

just run either splintering shell with six shooter or frag with six shooter

[dense pebble]

Hurricane is neat but I’m not good with it yet, I waste too much ammo

[still geode]

bullet hell is legit good though

[rugged portal]

no

😭

[dense pebble]

Its barely ok

[rugged portal]

in best case scenario it still barely win against stock

[old widget]

it's legit fun IMO

[dense pebble]

I watched LazyMaybe’s video where he did a shitton of math

[still geode]

lol no

[dense pebble]

Its fun but its not haz 5 certified

Am I allowed to link videos here

[still geode]

stock doesn't have remotely the same cc power that bullet hell does

[old widget]

watching the storm of bullets magically seek to enemies is so fun

[still geode]

i use bullet hell on haz5 all the time with no issues

ive used it on haz6 too

[rugged portal]

you have like massive accuracy debuff just for 75% chance for ricochet onto body shot

[old widget]

what build? I've been looking into bullet hell + mole meme builds lately

[rugged portal]

nah

[dense pebble]

The guy did all the math, and essentially even in an ideal scenario bullet hell just barely overtakes a normal minigun.