deep-dive-discussion

[uneven sand]

Swarmageddon + shield dis

[woeful patrol]

I found the stage 3 to be the hardest but maybe it was because I didn't go with an adequate build

[glad trail]

well, i been hearing a lots about bulk detonator

im curious and want to hear what it about

before i try EDD again

[woeful patrol]

Bulk Detonator :

A thing with a lot of HP that, when killed, one shot everything in the area

Even Dread

And even if you use the Gunner's Shield

[bitter canyon]

You never got one before?

[rose yacht]

Hey guys

does neuro + sludge stack.

[woeful patrol]

Yes but don't know if it's really useful

[uneven sand]

Max range c4 driller can damage all the spinny bits in one blast if you tunnel into the ceiling to drop it

[woeful patrol]

Sound like using your brain too much, I don't like that

[uneven sand]

had a competent gunner and scout to take out the eyes and enough resupps to have enough charges on c4 for all 3 stages

[woeful patrol]

Hmm, maybe Flame Driller is viable

[uneven sand]

It certainly melted all the shredders that went into my driller tunnel

:smug:

[woeful patrol]

But since I do it solo, that would make the Dread clear slower

I will need to test

[rose yacht]

when i use bunkers i just throw a c4 at them if they flood in.

the sound of squishy bugs.

[uneven sand]

Throwing C4 on doretta makes it stay in the air if she’s drilling

[rose yacht]

flying doretta

[uneven sand]

max range makes it hit the whole width of the tunnel

[rugged portal]

you don't need max range lol

[uneven sand]

used well, can murk entire waves

[rugged portal]

just throw it right

[uneven sand]

I just keep max range on regardless as I’ve got it to excavate mode

[rose yacht]

i want max range due to the sheerk wave clear potential.

screw dmg

die swarms

[uneven sand]

Driller is optimally a mass clearance class regardless

single target dmg is gunners domain

[glad trail]

still am a bit new tbh, but i just cleared elite deep dive with randoms and 3 of us was new to it lol

[bitter mist]

it was cancer, i felt like i was pulling my team down cause i went down 12 times and was being 2shot in the final map

[rose yacht]

meanwhile engineer with LASER OC.

literally a minature machine gun.

[vocal surge]

do you still get the rewards for the normal deep dive after finishing the elite deep dive?

by rewards i mean the OCs

[supple remnant]

No, you have to complete them both separately

But the ocs you get are different for each dive

[lofty dune]

i have never done elite run can i join a team with experience?

[burnt sandal]

are you in Europe ?

[lofty dune]

yea

[burnt sandal]

could always check groups in #lfg-steam

[lofty dune]

yea.......i know.....

[burnt sandal]

since you're in Europe, there should plenty of people available

it's the right time

[lofty dune]

i dont wanna be a burden cause i dont realy got a build

[burnt sandal]

wanna try it in duo with me ?

[lofty dune]

Duo is this even possible?

[burnt sandal]

yeah

[lofty dune]

sure i guess..

ohhh easter event

[lunar ravine]

Hi, Dwarves

[lofty dune]

ello

[burnt sandal]

nice EDD

[wraith shard]

how do you leave molly behind?

[old widget]

Not really related to deep dives, probably better question for #drg-chat...but under certain circumstances, after calling the drop pod and during the countdown to launch, Molly can get completely stuck due to pathing bugs. In that case the drop pod will still open up shortly before launch, making it possible to get in the pod and leave Molly behind. Haven't heard of folks trying to do that intentionally though.

[wraith shard]

sorry

[old widget]

(no big deal, pretty dead in here today)

[wraith shard]

wanted to try asking speedrunners since i'm sure they'd know, but somehow i thought #deep-dive-speedrunning was only for posting speedruns and thought this was the speedrun discussion thread D:

[old widget]

Oh...gotcha! yeah there's also a speedrunning tactic to glitch inside the drop pod before Molly gets there. I'll confess that didn't even come to mind when you asked.

I don't have any knowledge of that tactic personally, but you can probably find info just using this Discord's search function, or ask in #deep-dive-speedrunning

[wraith shard]

that's what i meant to ask

[quiet mortar]

I vaguely know of the strat

I believe the goal is get on top of the left Pod door and jump backwards into Molly's Bay

Never done it myself lol
But I'm like 70% sure that's the tactic

(Drop Pods left)

[coral pond]

Oh molly skip. Me and my buddies compete to see who gets it first each time. It's a very finnicky glitch. It's also really hard to explain without just watching

[nocturne crag]

Heya, does any know any tips for Deep Dives (if anyone does, please try to keep them simple, my brain hurts comprehending stuff :])
I have only done a few, and they are as tricky as mining an omeran heartstone shell.

[icy ledge]

My biggest tip is to take a build with some decent ammo. Because nirta and ammo Carrie’s between mission you wanna make sure you have enough. Second tip is that if your going with a team, make sure you’re all on a VC, it makes it way easier and more fun

[nocturne crag]

Thanks alot Firnen. I will make sure to take some extra Nitra, last time I kind of thought that 100 would be enough... that oppressor had other plans though...

[severe tusk]

Are you soloing or playing in a group? If solo, I wouldn't worry about ammo efficiency, since you get the same amount of nitra as a solo that a 4 man group does. You should be swimming in it. If you're playing in a 4 man group, occasionally you may run into a lack of nitra during Deep Dives, in which case it might be wise to take some more ammo efficient builds. Beyond that, DDs aren't much different than normal missions. If you play Haz 4 and 5 comfortably, the EDD shouldn't b too much of a challenge, you just have to beat 3 consecutive stages in a row to complete it.

[nocturne crag]

A okay, thank you too Ryan. Also I was playing on Solo, I just forgot I shouldnt waste all my ammo on single enemies.

[severe tusk]

Make sure you are fully using Bosco for light and mining capabilities. If you're dying a lot, you can just constantly move and jump while firing to avoid damage. I notice a lot of new players don't make proper use of movement. Also, when waves come, find a nice large area to fight in if possible so you have room to kite around.

[sturdy abyss]

wassup

[tulip geyser]

A couple other tips from a deep diving noob, check the daily beer, if you're having trouble surviving then a tunnel rat, rocky mountain or a red rock blaster can be huge on a dd. Unless you know the three stage objectives, take a generalized build for your class. Have close and far range capability or single target and swarm depending on class so you're able to deal with all threats. Make sure your build is good for the particular biome the deep dive is in. You can skip mining gold if you think it will drag your missions on too long. As solo, use your resupplies well, it's better to waste a bit of nitra and clear the stage than be struggling to finish a stage on low ammo and health.

[burnt sandal]

In all honesty, I've never been down on nitra during a deep dive. If you collect all the nitra, you're usually swimming in 600+ nitra by the end of stage 3

sometimes even breaking the 1000+ nitra barrier

[nocturne crag]

ight thank you HiSodiumContant

[thick elm]

Debating pitching an essay about DRG to my digital Media professor at Berkeley.

Thought it would be fun to see if anyone here is familiar with the writings of Walter Benjamin and his take on the concept of aura. I pointed out to the professor that what aura Benjamin thought was lost in films is regained in video games, particularly cooperative ones.

Or am I thinking of the wrong kind of deep dive? 😂

[dense pebble]

I think you should do it

It sounds like a great idea.

[burnt sandal]

kinda but don't let that stop you regardless

[dense pebble]

Too many people think that gamers don’t have brains, prove them wrong

[thick elm]

I already did a half-hour presentation to the class on video games, and only part of it touched on Benjamin. Our final paper pitches are due in 2 weeks, and I want to expand on the concept of aura in multiplayer gaming.

To elaborate a little more on what aura is, it's best explained as a sense of uniqueness. For something to have aura it must:

• Be one-of-a-kind
• Be inaccessible/secretive
• Be elevated in the perception of others

As an example, a statue of the Virgin Mary hidden away in a remote monastery, and which is only accessible to pilgrims who visit on a particular day of the year, has tons of aura. So, too, does the performance of an actor in a stage play have aura. The Mona Lisa, by comparison, does not. She once did, but her image has been shared and parodied a lot, thousands visit her every day, and she's no longer held in as great of awe. Benjamin thinks films and photographs, because they can be mechanically reproduced, lose their aura. He doesn't think any less of them for it, they just lose that unique quality.

Video games fall into a similar category, but because the audience can engage in a game, they regain aura. In mission-based games like DRG where the map is procedurally-generated, uniqueness is injected back into the experience. So too is the performance of every teammate, spontaneous reactions to the game's stimuli, unique. The sense of comraderie DRG builds in its community also contributes to aura. While fans of a film may pull together, they don't as rabidly as some game communities do.

Technically, heavily-modded, privately-owned roleplaying servers are the greatest argument for aura existing in the digital space despite mechanical reproduction. These check all the boxes: the stories are spontaneous and unique, never to be experienced the same way; they are relatively inaccessible and secretive, requiring both the game and knowledge of the community's existence; they are often highly-regarded by their members. I still, years later in other communities, have people recognizing me for the characters I played based either on my voice or username. But that DRG manages to check those boxes in its base experience, as opposed to on a small modded server, makes it stand out. Those elements are largely responsible, I think, for the game's success in building the community it has.

[marble token]

whats the best character to try an edd solo
id go with scout but id like to hear what your sugestion are and why

[burnt sandal]

anything you're comfortable with honestly.

though scout and driller could be struggling in some situations.

[coral pond]

Engi i the most comfortable all around option imo

[severe tusk]

I always play with random groups and maybe once every 2-3 months an EDD will be nitra tight either from us going a little slow, struggling a bit, ammo inefficient builds, or whatever. It's rare, but it happens.

[severe tusk]

I don't play solo much, but Scout is a strong choice as you can kite around forever if needed and can also complete a lot of objectives quickly and have little issue mining nitra quickly. You might run into issues on missions where you have to defend a point for an extended period of time, like with salvage and black box objectives. Defending the Drilldozer as solo Scout can be challenging too. You may also run into trouble laying pipes on refinery missions if the cave gen leading to the pump jacks is rough. I would probably go with Engineer, as he has the most killing power and defends area objectives extremely well. His platforms allow you to deal with most refinery missions without too much fuss too.

[burnt sandal]

escort and salvage don't allow for kiting very much

which is where scout will struggle

definitely extremely challenging within an EDD

considering they can have a wild variety of challenges that you wouldn't face in normal missions

[severe tusk]

Which is why I pointed out that Scout might struggle on those mission types.

[burnt sandal]

sorry, didn't mean to ping you, I wanted to add to what you said, not actually reply 😓

[severe tusk]

No worries.

[narrow hamlet]

Is the rewards for deep dive and elite deep dive different in any way?

[wooden herald]

no, both give 1 blank, 1 overclock, and one cosmetic matrix core

[severe tusk]

They are separate though, so it's worth it to do both of them if you can.

[burnt grotto]

so as someone who hasn’t touched deep dives yet, can I ask if they’re closer to being casual or competitive

[coral pond]

there's no real competitiveness in drg unless you're speedrunning. Deep Dives are just 3 missions in a row without going back to the rig where nitra and gold are tracked to the next mission as well

[burnt grotto]

right

[fringe pawn]

just failed edd on the last stage of caretaker twice, feel good

dont trust greenbeards

[burnt grotto]

i mean i want to try a deep dive since I promoted my scout a while back but i’m worried i might get berated or kicked or something because i’m not good enough for deep dives

[coral pond]

if you do, you joined assholes. It's really not a bother

if you can do haz 3 or higher, you're good. recommended to be used to haz 4/5 for the elite deep dive

[coarse wharf]

Some greenbeards tend to overestimate their odds in Haz 5...

and lead to much frustration

there's no excuse for being a dick to them, of course

but wasting everyone's time isn't exactly tolerable for me either

[burnt grotto]

yeah I usually do haz 4 for stuff

i die a little more often than I want but i do decent there

[severe tusk]

Alternatively, explain to them how to fight the Caretaker and they might surprise you. I three manned it (our Scout dropped at the very start of the EDD) with a level 19 player, and we did fine.

[fringe pawn]

its kinda hard, they dont listen

they just waste nitra, run away and die in a random cave during bossfight without any reason

also caretaker on haz 5,5 is pure hell itself

[burnt grotto]

is going on top of the caretaker as scout while the vents are open viable

[coarse wharf]

not necessary at all, in fact, it makes things worse

going down while on top of the Caretaker makes it impossible to revive you

[deft trail]

this was harder than last week's dive...

because of the one shot shredders and the appendages

and generally trying to save ammo

we ran completely dry by the end of it and we were all running swarmer builds

driller had flames, scout had the pheromone crossbow, gunner had fire and incendiaries, engi was running smg and nuke iirc

we died like 50 times combined on the last level lol

[valid prism]

Hey is anyone down to do some missions while i stream?

[rugged portal]

hacking pod position doesn't help either

[high storm]

the stage 3 of DDE this week is crazy

[copper basin]

I just got the most funniest deep dive in my life

the dred wouldn't leave me alone

at all

[marble token]

well, I just did the EDD solo as scout With bosco and I must say
boomstick special powder was NOT the play

I would have been better off with embeded or taser bolt

and also boomerang instead of ifg maybe

[severe tusk]

Boomerang is good vs. shredders, swarmers, and the like. You can get IFGs to land on the Caretaker though.

[supple remnant]

It can be very helpful. I had jumbo shells shotty on a haz5 industrial mission recently and it was so nice

You just gotta not die while up there

I didn’t get hit but maybe once by something but idk if it even broke my shield

Just gotta reposition accordingly

[burnt grotto]

yeah

[supple remnant]

And if you do end up dying then a gunner can angle a zip to go over you and possibly even downhill if he gets it right.

[burnt grotto]

should’ve specified as scout only since he can get off and back on the caretaker very easily

[supple remnant]

Sure it may be tough to revive but just don’t die in the first place

Yeah

Honestly though if driller does c4 strat then that’s better but sometimes I’ll have a driller that doesn’t do it or I may not even have a driller and it works well to get up close to the caretaker like that

[marble token]

IFG work on caretaker?
damn didnt think of that lol

[late spire]

Dude, fuckin kill me. How do I get the worst greenbeards.

I had someone use 5 resupps in that first mission for the EDD

[stuck moth]

Hi got a question: Do Hurricane Gear modifications affect the mines of minelayer system overclock?

[wraith shard]

Are betc and nemesis random for the second stage of the edd?

[torn bough]

Nope

[raw lion]

Lost the elite deep dive because a bet-c decided to destroy the egg, summoned the twins and while we were escaping a nemesis decided to attack

[torn bough]

In all my attempts, they were there at stage 2

[wraith shard]

Ya see that's the funny thing, the first time I beat it they were there. I re ran it today with a friend and they weren't around.

Thanks btw

[raw lion]

I’d say so because that happened to me

[severe tusk]

BET-C will spawn or not spawn according to the number of players in a game too, IIRC.

[unique ore]

the special events seem to be seeded based on the number of players

[woeful niche]

why tf are korlocks not allowed in edds

[woeful patrol]

Korlock is the onion shooting balls with his plants right ?

If so, special items are not allowed in DD/EDD, hence why you don't see gold chunk, bittergem, etc

[rose yacht]

We need a new mode

make us dig 10 deep

[manic horizon]

Hello guys,can you recommend me some gunner builds,please?

[pliant yoke]

What resources (weapons, overclocks) do you have available? Would you like overclock recommendations, or would you rather see suggestions with no overclocks?

[manic horizon]

I have Burning Hell and Lead Storm on minigun,Big Bertha and Carpet Bomber on Thunderhead,Jet Fuel Homebrew,minelayer system and one green overclock on Hurricane.Magic bullets and triple chamber on secondaries

[pliant yoke]

That’s a pretty good selection of Overclocks, TBH

The mileage you get from these setups may vary on mission type and your experience with the weapon, but don’t be afraid to experiment:

• Burning Hell - 11221/3, might be a good pair with Triple Tech,

• Big Bertha - 33111, might also be a good pair with Triple Tech,

• Carpet Bomber - 3/22221, ideally pair with a secondary that will enable you to deal damage to single targets over distances, to offset the non-negligible penalties of Carpet Bomber. For that matter, a non-OC Bulldog might be good enough (X3311), but if you ever stumble upon Six Shooter, it should be the optimal choice for this spec,

• Jet Fuel - 1/21212, this is also a good pair with Triple Tech Chambers, but Magic Bullets is also quite tempting with this one,

• IDK which clean you have for Hurricane, but you can’t really go wrong with 31222 for AoE and 21212 for single target. Try to run this with a single target-specced secondary, as Hurricane should have more than enough AoE to compensate for swarm clear capabilities.

• Magic Bullets: 13212,

• Triple Tech: 22123.

The order of numbers is naturally the mods from tiers 1-5 which I recommend picking

Frankly wherever Triple Tech works, Magic Bullets probably will, too. It’s just that Triple Tech is more versatile, whereas Magic Bullets is strictly an anti-swarm/crowd control spec for Bulldog

[manic horizon]

Thanks!

[pliant yoke]

Also, it requires much less attention from you in comparison to Triple Tech, which requires you to be quite precise with application of its enfeebling beam(s)

[pliant yoke]

I also seemed to forget about Minelayer: 31/2222, which can/should be paired with, again, a Bulldog to snipe things over distances, or BRT, both of which should be capable of hitting flying enemies (Minelayer is a ground-based swarm clearing overclock, a very efficient one, mind you)

It probably can also kill tanky enemies, but it won’t be very efficient

[icy ledge]

A big thing to keep in mind that kjerad talked about is weapon class. Usually weapons are either focused on single target or aoe, with the other filling the role that your first weapon didn’t. If a weapon is a mix of both (like burning hell) you want your other weapon to be the same. So I’d recommend playing around with all these OCs, and seeing what their “class” or strength is. Then make some load outs that you like

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[icy ledge]

Tbh though, you don’t really need a crazy in depth build for DDs and even the EDD. I mostly just use a basic burning hell build

And for the other classes, same thing, a hipster/cryo bolt for scout, a magnetic pellet alignment and any breach for engi, and for driller a dispenser compound with really any secondary

You actually don’t want to think to in depth about your Deep dive builds, because you want them to be really open ended - because you don’t know what your up against

[pliant yoke]

This is definitely not a necessity, but it’s nice to eventually reach a point where you know that you have an optimised load out for handling any opportunity relatively well, or a certain opportunity and handling it exceptionally well

That’s not to say that certain loadouts have to be optimised - I tried to be objective with the way I modded the available list of overclocks, but all in all it’s probably not the only way to build them effectively, especially since the person in question might currently be missing certain pieces to put some builds together

[coral pond]

Huh? I've had bet-c spawn in games with every number of players. Player count doesn't matter, it's just a 5% chance

[old widget]

Player count definitely matters for BET-C spawn, and not always in the way you’d expect. In previous dives I’ve had her not spawn with 4p but spawn with 2p/3p. Player count apparently factors into the spawn RNG. If you use mods like Mission Selector (where you can replay the same seed of any mission or DD) it becomes even more apparent, applies to things like Korloks too.

[coral pond]

that's just rng being rng, player count doesn't affect that

[old widget]

In my experience, BET-C spawns are deterministic. For the same inputs (e.g. player count at time of map spawn + map seed) you get the same result.

(I’m poking around for details with the smarter folks in the wiki channel for more info, if you’d like to hop over and follow along)

[unkempt saffron]

I think for EDDs it does help to have appropriate builds with a certain level of depth and understanding behind how theyre ideally meant to be used, it could help players unfamiliar with EDDs be more prepared and maybe make the experience less daunting

But at the end of the day its all subjective

[meager pasture]

did blue senit on my first try :D

2 engis, a driller and my scout with homebrew gk2 and cryo bolts

[cloud jasper]

Hey, how do you know which missions you will get the MULE for?

I've been wasting my passive skills then realizing the MULE isn't there

[coral pond]

Point extraction and morkite refining should be the only mission types without a mule

[cloud jasper]

thanks appreciate it

[brisk pagoda]

if you mean veteran depositor, then it works on every deposit point. mine heads and drop pods and the regular mule (mini mules do not since you cant deposit into them) all give the deposit speed and damage resistance bonuses

[woeful niche]

as someone who tried speedrunning the infamous sandblasted egg and mule edd. I do think the betc is at least affected by player count. I did the start of that edd solo dozens of times and i’d say 95% of the time betc was there. I never got her to spawn in multipliayer tho

[old widget]

There's a fair number of anecdotal accounts of the behavior here in the history of this channel, too, for previous DDs. But it doesn't look like anyone has done rigorous testing or data collection yet on the spawn behavior.

[rotund terrace]

How hard are elite dd

[woeful niche]

about as hard as a haz 5

[timid elbow]

Been trying out Drak with 3/1/2/1/2 & Thermal Exhaust Feedback OC recently in regular missions. Decided to run it in this weeks DD last night & it's my new favourite Drak build although I do have the weapon heat crosshair mod which makes it infinitely easier to use effectively.
I was using 3/1/2/2/2 with Impact Deflection OC before. Tried out an Overtuned Particle Accelerator build a while ago but the amount of spread didn't agree with me (need to be able to pick off cave leeches/webbers/spitters from across the other side of the cave).
I may actually prefer this for non-DD missions over the GK2 with AISE.

[dense pebble]

Thinking of doing EDD for the first time before it resets. I can see whats coming based on the pin, but I’m wondering if there’s anything specific I should prepare for this time around?

[coral pond]

Stage 2 of the EDD has, in my experience and a bunch of other people's experiences, a nemesis and bet-c

[old widget]

weapon heat crosshair, my beloved

[slim ice]

I tried doing the elite deep dive for the first time but no shields is brutal

[coral pond]

Honestly that's the worst of it

[old widget]

definitely forces a different mindset, extra effort to avoid chip damage, really hunt that red sugar, etc.

[wheat gull]

From what I've seen, Stage 3 is the run-killer. Shredders with lethal enemies catches players off-guard, and the caretaker fight is ruthless. The Nitra budget is also really tight. Stage 2 has perfect-storm potential (big-ticket enemies abounds and the cave layout is a nightmare), so be very careful about what to fight and where.

[rugged portal]

stage 3 isn't that bad

the main problem is hackc spawn

[wheat gull]

That Hack-C location is so awful XD

[rugged portal]

you kind of don't have much space in the caretaker room itself but luckily there nothing that you might run into while dodging it attack

[wheat gull]

My first attempts at the EDD had a peculiar problem; I was running neurotoxin gunner / cryo driller so I could move mountains on the first two stages, but didn't have the raw damage to carry stage 3 😦

[desert lynx]

pack something that don't eat ammo as much as the coil gun I think

[rugged portal]

coilgun eat up ammo?

that new

I don't remember the last time i run out of ammo with coil gun lmao

[desert lynx]

lethal enemies shredders in stage 3, high bulk spawn chance + guaranteed bet - c and nemesis in stage 2. Dreads are classic for stage 1 and classic/twins for stage 2.
Also stage 3 is shredders+sniper turrets

[desert lynx]

using it to dig surely does

otherwise it eats ammo less than the revolver

I'd say try brt but I've never used it myself

[coral pond]

There's nothing high about bulk spawn chances, it's just the same as normal missions

Engi's shredder nades take care of caretaker's shredders with ease

[rugged portal]

require you to take shredder for the whole dd

just ecr tbh

[coral pond]

Shredder is great throughout the whole thing so there's no problem

[burnt sandal]

did the EDD in duo, didn't get a bet-c nor a nemesis personally

[desert lynx]

did you not hear them?

You can hear both from spawn

[burnt sandal]

they weren't here at all

[desert lynx]

weird

[burnt sandal]

not really

[desert lynx]

I've had both for all my 10 tries

[burnt sandal]

player number can tweak things around

[desert lynx]

the bet - c was usually the run killer

[coral pond]

It's fun to serg rush bet-c. So many times i've used iron will just to body her without care

[rugged portal]

betc died in like 5 second for me because sludge blast

[still geode]

using iron will as a 12 second invulnerability perk instead of as a self revive perk is honestly kinda underrated

very niche use ofc but you can accomplish a lot in 12 seconds when you can ignore dmg

[rugged portal]

I mean it alway better to get health first so you don't instantly down after

or revive gunner if he have shield and run to the nearest downed teammate

[still geode]

i mean even if your team is alive

you can just go pure ham on dps for 12 seconds and save the rest of your team the effort

[rugged portal]

t4c on armor is just amazing

[still geode]

like when playing gunner and team struggling with bulk due to low ammo but they also cant reach u to pick u up

using iron will just to chuck your leadbursters at it and immediately get rid of it is a perfectly viable choice

[open ginkgo]

is it just me or does stage 2 of the regular deep dive only have 2 morkite wells?

cannot find the last one

[knotty bough]

Most refinery missions in large maps will have a high chance of putting the 3rd well in a hidden spot, most times being in a 2nd cave with a small tunnel

[elfin mural]

2 Leadbursters hitting a Bulk center-mass will almost always work

[coarse wharf]

it's always fun to find efficient ways to take care of chonky enemies

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[rose yacht]

It actually add's more caution to your shots

100% your gonna kill yer allies with friendly fire than the bugs could.

with that debuff.

[late spire]

It's truly magical what you can do when your'e trying to save ammo for the third stage of an EDD

Walking into the third this week with 66 lead storm, 8 bulldog, and 0 grenades after a stingy dreadnought so I didn't need to get another resupp

[wheat gull]

A dwarf after my own heart. 😄

As a gunner one of my goals is to be able to cull the herd efficiently enough that I can skip resupplies for the others that need them.

[limpid ruin]

Does anyone wanna join me and my friend for a regular deep dive with me and my friend

[upbeat agate]

I got an elite deep dive, with elite enemies, caretaker and elimination, on the final level.

we have 13 Nitra 😀

help

[late spire]

Not elite enemies. That'd be easier.

It's lethal

(aka 2x damage)

[upbeat agate]

Sorry lethal

[late spire]

I'm only even being pedantic so you aren't blindsided

[upbeat agate]

I'm still screwed tho 💀

[wheat gull]

There is thankfully some nitra in that cave, at least

[late spire]

I got 4 resupps worth

[upbeat agate]

I'm downed and on my phone watching my graybeard scout run around trying to carry

[lucid gorge]

depends how ur using it

with certain overclocks and certain playstyles its almost always out of ammo

[wheat gull]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I struggled to use it for so long. I wanted to use it like a pistol and shoot bugs, but that makes you run out of ammo immediately. Once I changed gears and started using it as a wave-clearing tool with DoT it became more... viable.

[merry hill]

i got a no load blackscreen on stage 3 of the EDD, is there any hacky way to rejoin? i had to alt f4 and didnt get a prompt to rejoin

[severe tusk]

In Steam you can go to View-->Players to see the last people you played with. Look at their profiles, and often times at least one of them will have their profile set so that you can rejoin them in the game.

[merry hill]

we are freinds i am getting the error that they are in a deep dive

[severe tusk]

I have heard that it doesn't work in between stages. So if you drop in stage 2 you can rejoin if the team is still on stage 2, but if they're on stage 3, you're out of luck. I have not confirmed this myself though.

[merry hill]

at least i think i am the error message only lasts a tenth of a second still

[lucid gorge]

yeah trying to use a railgun like a pistol doesnt work out great...

[woeful niche]

i find coil gun to generally be a lot more efficient then the other primaries

[lucid gorge]

well it aint a primary

[woeful niche]

fuck i meant secondaries

[lucid gorge]

lol

it CAN be but also

it requires more patience and is more map dependant

terrain depandant?

meh, technicalities

[woeful niche]

i mine it usually is, the actual main problems it has is how clunky it can be to use and the lack of mod tree variety

[lucid gorge]

yeah

like, ya kinda just always take ammo

[woeful niche]

wdym map dependent?

[lucid gorge]

terrain dependant

[woeful niche]

yes how

for the lines u mean

[lucid gorge]

ye

the brt and revolver dont care as much

just shoot bug

[woeful niche]

i mean ig, but honestly the cmf alone makes the base gun way more ammo efficient then the other secondaries alone. I really don’t think ammo efficiency is at all the guns issue

[lucid gorge]

its not hard to work around but it IS a factor to consider

no

ammo efficeincy is probably its greatest strength

[woeful niche]

you get some nice breakpoints for spitters and macter with cmf

[lucid gorge]

infinite pierce is kinda nuts

and it has great burst damage

and

mole exists

so inifinite damage

in theory

[woeful niche]

naw it def doesn’t have burst dmg

mole is the only thing i’d say is good burst

[lucid gorge]

1 shotting basically any weak bug is good burst damage whatchu mean

it can 1 shot GROUPS of bugs

[woeful niche]

burst damage i think of something with really high single target dps

[lucid gorge]

dps and burst damage arent the same thing

[woeful niche]

burst damage is just damage done ina small time window

[lucid gorge]

yes

sustained dps and burst damage are different tho

[woeful niche]

ye but ur not really using base coil for that, ur using it to proc electricity

[lucid gorge]

brt has great sustained dps, coilgun has good burst, revolver is somewhere in between

[woeful niche]

i wudnt call picking off mactera and spitters burst dmg

[lucid gorge]

true

[lucid gorge]

meh

pocket sniper rifle go bonk

[woeful niche]

like literally every gun in the game is burst dmg if we are using web spitter ttk lmao

[lucid gorge]

it can also bascially instakill acid spitters

[woeful niche]

hell cooker is burst dmg at that point

[woeful niche]

i think it usually still needs the dot to finish it but i cud be mis remembering

[lucid gorge]

i said basically

its needs like 2 ticks of dot

[woeful niche]

ye so it’s more of cc gun

[lucid gorge]

2 ticks of dot that happen in like .6 seconds

electricity dot is fast

we should do this in #drg-chat

[woeful niche]

also keep in mind that we are comparing these to bulldog and burst. If we go by your definition, coil is easily the worst for mactera and spitters because it has to charge + has a long reload. Meanwhile bulldog and brt have the similiar ttk but with way bigger mags and faster reload time

[still geode]

tried to solo stage 1 & 2 of edd as scout real quick before week ended, underestimated how frustrating swarmagedddon would be

can't just ignore them because they're so fast, not enough time to accomplish anything before they reach you

continue spawning during dread fights

and boomstick kept running out of ammo if i tried to kill them

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[rose yacht]

no deep dives yet

sadge

[still geode]

game trying to bait me into retrying to solo stage 2 edd for an overclock

[rose yacht]

why solo

join a rando

luccsacc yer team

also its chaotic.

[fringe thistle]

if it helps, i literally just succeeded this rn and i can recommend my build

[still geode]

eh, not really in the mood to redo stage 1 anyway

[fringe thistle]

🤷

its lowkey torture on scout so i dont blame you

[violet umbra]

There Are only two genders and they are male and female. Male humans=men=biological men and female humans=women=biological women. To change your gender is not possible. Surgery only mutilates you and does not change your gender. Going on hormones does not change your chromosomes and it only weakens your health and does not change what you have between your legs. All of this is facts and facts don't care about your feelings.

[fringe thistle]

ah, one of these idiots

[violet umbra]

no a realist

[still geode]

if you were a realist you wouldn't spread blatant lies

[fringe thistle]

aight, <@&296918282403840000> we got another guy spreading hate speech

just block him and ignore him

[violet umbra]

it's not hate only facts

accept it

[steel python]

Praying for no lethal enemies

[fringe thistle]

big mistake, lethal enemies + elite threat on caretaker with a side of dreadnought hiveguard. suffer time

[violet umbra]

if you have been in school in biology class you should know that there is only two genders

[fringe thistle]

anyways, if you ever want a fun nova scout build for bosses, i recommend gk2 w/ AI stability, 22212. Boltshark w/ Trifork, 33111. IFG for stacking nova damage.

[violet umbra]

trying to change topic because you cant say anything back ey

[fringe thistle]

it absolutely destroys dreadnoughts. 2 tasers locks them in place at 5% movement speed, trifork for chunking hp, AI stability for when weakpoints open.

IFG for that extra 30% damage to really stack on the dps

[violet umbra]

no one cares

[still geode]

issue is i lack a lot of scout overclocks

[fringe thistle]

oof

[still geode]

been trying to get something for PGL but i'm like 13 overclocks in for engineer and zero rolled PGL

[fringe thistle]

i feel you my guy, i didnt get special powder til i had 10 OCs left to get TOTAL

the random rolls really do hit different sometimes

i wish you the best and hope that you get Fat Boy soon

[violet umbra]

you fucking tranny squad go kill yourselfes

[fringe thistle]

thanks for giving the <@&296918282403840000> more reason to ban you. bye bye idiot lol

[woeful patrol]

The first mistake was thinking gender = biology

Gender is literally a human concept, gender doesn't exist outside of humans so saying that Gender = Biology is just plain wrong

Think more before deciding to troll dude

[verbal wharf]

Second stage generation is what gonna haunt me in my sleep

[fringe thistle]

xD

[woeful patrol]

Is it that bad ? I haven't seen what was the DD/EDD

[fringe thistle]

that boss egg literally being behind a wall is hilarious

[woeful patrol]

Wait a minute...

Stage 3 EDD is Sabotage Lethal Enemies AGAIN ?

[fringe thistle]

YEP

[burnt sandal]

apparently

[fringe thistle]

it is pain

[woeful patrol]

HOW

[pliant yoke]

It is

[fringe thistle]

HAH

[burnt sandal]

RNG being mean

[pliant yoke]

Unlucky, I suppose

[rugged portal]

it fine

[pliant yoke]

Just don’t get hit ™️

[still geode]

just dont play stage 3

[fringe thistle]

we must suffer for our crimes. I knew management would punish me for all those barrels in the drop bay

[rugged portal]

true true bestie

[verbal wharf]

50 meters deep area with pumps on three levels and one of them was pain in the ass to find

[fringe thistle]

just dont get hit 5head

[candid bobcat]

Now wouldn't it be funny if it's 3 lethal sabos in a row-

[fringe thistle]

NO HIT RUN ANY%

oh yeah, stage 2 DD is atrocious if you dont have a driller

[pliant yoke]

We’ll have to see for ourselves in 16 mins

[woeful patrol]

Wait no, the EDD wasn't updated in the pin was it ? I feel like it's the exact same thing as last week

[fringe thistle]

it is probably the most vertical map ive ever seen in a DD/EDD

oh yeah no, it hasnt bee nupdated yet

[woeful patrol]

Oh

[pliant yoke]

We did fine with no driller, but yes, the geometry on that one is a hellish landscape

[woeful patrol]

I may have overreacted then

[fringe thistle]

new dives dont even load til 15min from now yet, and then we still got wait a bit

[verbal wharf]

Driller left on first stage and I on Engineer with 14lvl Gunner were building all of that

[fringe thistle]

RIP my guy

[verbal wharf]

At least I picked Engineer and not Scout, or it would be even more pain

[fringe thistle]

i mean, we ran Deep Dive in 3 scouts because we thought it was funny, but that still sounds atrocious

[woeful patrol]

Thanks Karl it was a misunderstanding from my part

[still geode]

yeah platforms give you at least some options for pipe layouts

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[verbal wharf]

Third stage at least gave me some relief

[fringe thistle]

mactera plague tho 💀

[verbal wharf]

(excluding macteras)

[woeful patrol]

It's DD or EDD ?

[verbal wharf]

DD

[fringe thistle]

dd

[woeful patrol]

Oh, talking about last week ?

[fringe thistle]

ye

highkey had a blast with boss week

boss fighting on scout just feels so good

[woeful patrol]

I still hate Twins so seeing them that much still haunt my soul

[verbal wharf]

But three twins in a row and a Hive Guard was pain as well

[fringe thistle]

xD

[zenith ember]

Funny prism uohhh

[verbal wharf]

obama prism

[woeful patrol]

...

[verbal wharf]

!!!

[still geode]

obama prism vs driller cube

[fringe thistle]

Mr Goo bomba, is that you

[woeful patrol]

I'm sure there must be a mod somewhere that replace mission control with a president

[fringe thistle]

i know theres one that makes all his audio "blah blah blah blah"

[verbal wharf]

There's a mod which replaces mission control with anime girl

But glad I'm not that weeb to use it

[fringe thistle]

my friend changed Molly to hatsune miku

[woeful patrol]

Or are you ?

[fringe thistle]

he is, he just wont admit it

[woeful patrol]

That what I thought

[verbal wharf]

My friend replaced Bosco icon with Bosco-chan

[fringe thistle]

oh i like that one

theres also one that puts a bosco-chan cardboard cutout next to the bosco terminal

you can headpat it and it says voice lines

[verbal wharf]

[woeful patrol]

You guys may want to continue this conversation in another channel before the police come

[fringe thistle]

tru

actually it 4am, ima go sleep xD

[still geode]

sorry but there are no cops in this week's deep dive so ur being off topic 🤓

[fringe thistle]

rock and stone my fellow dwarves, best of luck on the new DD/EDD generation. I'll just check it in the morning lol

[still geode]

please no super annoying modifiers this time

[zenith ember]

All the best for blind divers~

[fringe thistle]

blind divers are simply built different

[verbal wharf]

elite grabbers

[fringe thistle]

[still geode]

elite grabbers when they fly into enginner turrets (they are now fleeing for their life while at 93% hp)

[woeful patrol]

I escaped the police

With da pigeon

[still geode]

grabbers so annoying on gunner, you see it coming, you start spinning up your minigun, you get grabbed before it shoots bullets

pain

[woeful patrol]

t4b

[verbal wharf]

modifier that speeds up spinning: am I joke?

[burnt sandal]

or just use the secondary to scare it off, then switch to minigun

[zenith ember]

Switching to your secondary is always faster

Unless its elite

[woeful patrol]

Thanks Price

It's an advise that got no price

[steel python]

If the EDD features lethal enemies and robots for the third time in a row, I will never unequip fire damage weapons

[still geode]

fire

[woeful patrol]

But... all weapon does fire damage since it's a firearm...

[still geode]

ah yes my favorite firearm

cryo cannon

[woeful patrol]

Exactly

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone.

[still geode]

and my other favorite firearm

[steel python]

HERE WE GOOOOOOOOO

[still geode]

c4

[woeful patrol]

I call it

There will be 2 twins in the EDD

[still geode]

lies and slander, i still have the old DD and my timer is at -26 seconds

[zenith ember]

Thats honestly better than most other stuff

[candid bobcat]

restart game

[steel python]

Fungus bogs and REZ 💀

[still geode]

rez?

[woeful patrol]

Retired Embodiment Zaza

[steel python]

Radioactive exclusion zone

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Wicked Thunder
Stage 1: Steal Data Rack + Dreadnought Twins | No Mutators
Stage 2: 7 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 3: 225 Morkite + Dreadnought Classic | Rich Atmosphere Shield Disruption

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Frozen Armpit
Stage 1: 7 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 2: Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + Dreadnought Classic | Rich Atmosphere Swarmageddon

[still geode]

ok good so far

[steel python]

SABO AND DREADNOUGHT?!

[woeful patrol]

Oh no...

[low plover]

PE with regenerative bugs, hm

[steel python]

I'm so happy in an EDD

regenrative bugs is at least fine since this is stage 1 still

[woeful patrol]

I can feel the double Sabo...

[low plover]

but it's regular DD, its 3.5 hazard

[zenith ember]

Aquarq my bae

[steel python]

Praying the terrain is not bad

[still geode]

regenerative bugs is honestly whatever in my experience

except for breeders

[woeful patrol]

PE is going to be so easy with my fellow Bosco

[low plover]

need to take some AoE/DoT

[still geode]

or just a setup that kills the thigns it shoots

[idle abyss]

i swear to karl if we get eggs again

[low plover]

I prefer swarm wiping than single-targeting

[fringe thistle]

CALLED IT

[low plover]

I already have builds for this purpose, so

[woeful patrol]

Me with Exe and Inferno :

[idle abyss]

at least its stage 1

[fringe thistle]

tru

and its the DD so it wont be bad

[low plover]

the easiest possible IS in deep dives

at least its not lethal enemies like previous two times

so far...

[zenith ember]

Mate why u gotta plant flags...

[fringe thistle]

dont worry, EDD ends with indus sabo lethal again

[woeful patrol]

No

Stop that

Don't jinx it

[fringe thistle]

3 WEEKS IN A ROW BABYYY

[still geode]

can we go for 4???

[fringe thistle]

[woeful patrol]

If it's happening, pray to Karl I don't find where you live because I'm sure you would have something to do with that

[fringe thistle]

[low plover]

also I've noticed last dev streams werent touching Deep Dives at all? Just casual play

[still geode]

even the devs knew

[candid bobcat]

Elite Deep Dive "Frozen Armpit" (2023-04-06 to 2023-04-13)
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone
Stage 1: 7 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 2: Refinery + 2 Eggs | Low O2
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + Classic Dreadnought | Swarmageddon + Rich Atmosphere
{"Seed":3947745815,"SeedV2":2584606773,"ExpirationTime":"2023-04-13T11:00:00Z"}

[still geode]

low oxygen without molly

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

overall a fairly chill EDD from the sounds of it though

[grim wadi]

hmm, doesnt look too insane

yeah

[fringe thistle]

Ewww low O2 refinery

[grim wadi]

will just have the swams chasin you but youll be movin real fast

[fringe thistle]

Stage 3 sounds like a fun time hehe

[still geode]

low o2 refinery is frustrating to deal with but its not nearly as likely to team wipe

[grim wadi]

yeah it wassnt too bad a few weeks back

[still geode]

that is, assuming decent layout

[low plover]

doesnt sound bad

[still geode]

if the layout is like last week's DD refinery..........

[low plover]

lets see it in practice

[fringe thistle]

Tru

[steel python]

Well, I disconnected T-T

[low plover]

nuuu qwq

[steel python]

at least stage 1 of the EDD has so much nitra

[grim wadi]

nice

[low plover]

nice

[verbal wharf]

nice

[steel python]

Expect at least 2 swarms minimum (1 for time and 1 from egg)

[still geode]

if stage 1 has a ton of nitra that means you can at laest put up some resupplies in stage 2 for oxygen

[fringe thistle]

Tbh EDD looks a lot easier this week compared to some previous weeks. Especially if you bunker down for stage 2 with a resupply for O2 in the bunker.

[fringe thistle]

Stage 2 is refinery, there's gonna be a million nitra thank god

Probably the only saving grace

Although, be wary of the 3% dreadnought spawn chance on waves.

Make sure y'all have got methods to kill a dreadnought if it appears.

[low plover]

the refinery caves mostly have some open space, so suprise battle shouldnt be that trouble

[fringe thistle]

That's good

[steel python]

I mean, what are the odds? :)

[low plover]

smol, but still

[still geode]

3%

[fringe thistle]

3%

[steel python]

I haven't seen a random dreadnought spawn in a deep dive before

[candid bobcat]

Deep Dive "Wicked Thunder" (2023-04-06 to 2023-04-13)
Region: Fungus Bogs
Stage 1: Industrial Sabotage + Twins
Stage 2: 7 Aquarqs + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 3: 225 Morkite + Classic Dreadnought | Shield Disruption + Rich Atmosphere

[low plover]

from my experience I got surprised dreadnoughts only if I was playing with greenbeards, lol

[fringe thistle]

I have, my first one actually lol

[still geode]

ok regular dd is free

[fringe thistle]

Shield disrupt dreadnought tho

[still geode]

yeah but youll have 328929139281 nitra by that point presumably

plus its only dd haz levles

and rich atmos

[fringe thistle]

Tbh, deep dive is mini boss week. Aquarq stage will take 10min, then for stage 3 just run around dodging dread so you don't get hit.

[steel python]

funni voice time

[fringe thistle]

True

Yeah tbh it's just the DD, my friends and I are probably gonna bring meme builds anyways

EDD should be much easier this week than previous weeks if you play it smart and preplan.

[still geode]

shield disruption on fungus is a bit annoying tbh

[fringe thistle]

Oh god I didn't think about that. Preclear poison spores ig

Flame driller maybe

Well, hm. Two dreads

Facemelter

[coarse wharf]

hey, I don't take issue with your weapon recommendations, but your mod recommendations seem off... I take that you forgot which mod is which?

[still geode]

for solo?

probably scout tbh

[woeful patrol]

The DD and EDD are going to be so easy

[fringe thistle]

Wait what? What's wrong with it

[woeful patrol]

The rich atmosphere + swarmageddon is going to be so funny tho

[low plover]

pretty AoE+DoT for EDD

[coarse wharf]

T2C for Boltshark is more special bolt, and T5A is special bolt duration, I would assume you would want more normal bolts (T2B) and Magnetic Shafts (T5B) for damage?

[low plover]

looks like I will go Burning Gunner again
or maybe Carpet Bomber

[fringe thistle]

No I'm intentionally taking more tasers. I want to lock bosses in place for as long as possible.

[coarse wharf]

ah, I see

[fringe thistle]

Longer duration and more of em

[low plover]

sounds good

[fringe thistle]

If I wanted the nova damage option then yes, you are correct.

[low plover]

and in case of bulks you will drastically slow them too

[woeful patrol]

I will go Scout CC

[fringe thistle]

Just playstyle choice tbh

[coarse wharf]

I understand the rationale now, but why 22212 AISE GK2?

[fringe thistle]

T5 A or B works, and T2 is personal choice.

[coarse wharf]

More ammo is kinda a trap for AISE GK2 tbh, 21212 hits nice breakpoints

[fringe thistle]

Fire rate weakpoint abuse

I use the more ammo because of swarm clear, meanwhile the boltshark is used 75% for boss fights anyways due to the reload time

[fringe thistle]

Hm, I never did the full math, what breakpoints does it hit?

[coarse wharf]

2-shotting grunts with headshots, but I can understand that being a little difficult to pull off due to them generally coming in large packs

[low plover]

what about cryo or fire bolts? Unless you don't have any of these

[woeful patrol]

If you want to min-max AISE, you take more damage in T2 yes but it's only if you want to min-max, it does not provide that much differences

[fringe thistle]

Those are great swarm clear, but trifork for bosses is great nova for chunking. Especially with a cryo driller if your timing is good

I love cryo bolts tho

[wraith shard]

Bro shut up

[coarse wharf]

don't feed

just block and move on

[wraith shard]

Hold on

[low plover]

I need to try trifork finally

[coarse wharf]

don't give them any time of the day

[low plover]

does it work on special bolts too?

[fringe thistle]

Trifork feels good. It's 447 damage a shot

Nah, just normal

[coarse wharf]

nope, just normal bolts

[low plover]

I see

[fringe thistle]

180 of that 447 total is also radial damage, meaning it ignores armor.

[coarse wharf]

you can reliably one-shot Goo Bombers with Trifork Volley w/ Magnetic Shafts

[fringe thistle]

Yes

It's spicy

[coarse wharf]

be warned that Praetorians and Oppressors will resist a good chunk of Trifork damage too

[low plover]

but does these bolts spread or they all shot in same direction?

[fringe thistle]

If you can grapple into a menace and shoot the weakspot, it's almost a oneshot too

[coarse wharf]

they spread, but with Magnetic Shafts, they will land if they are close to the target you are trying to hit

[low plover]

ooooo

sounds amazing

[fringe thistle]

Uhhh it's an annoying spread at long range. Trifork is a short/mid-range nova burst

[low plover]

so it works like shotgun, but more powerful

[fringe thistle]

That is true. Magnetic shafts gives more accuracy at long range if you plan to stack with electricity options.

[coarse wharf]

After lots of testing, I will say that Trifork and Boomstick are close in terms of damage

Boomstick requires less set-up than Trifork w/ Magnetic Shafts

[low plover]

the difference is single target or group wiping

[coarse wharf]

Boltshark has the advantage of range and utility

[fringe thistle]

Especially if you have electrifying focus shot OC , electrifying reload OC, or just T4A on plasma carbine.

[low plover]

so far I really adore crossbow with its tasers + fire bolts for robots

[rugged portal]

on god electrifying reload

[fringe thistle]

Boltshark lets you lock a target in place which is why I like it. But boomstick is much easier to use yes. Especially jumbo shots

[woeful patrol]

Electrifying reload OC when I shoot two ammo in each dread cocoon and reload in front of the host :

[rugged portal]

1 shot slasher with bodyshot

[low plover]

shot patrol bot with taser so it will clean its company shredders, then fire bolts. Less worry about missing

[rugged portal]

i don't think the dot stack lol

oh wait

[fringe thistle]

They dont

[woeful patrol]

It does, I usually break the cocoon like that or with explosive reload on the Subata

[fringe thistle]

Same status effect

[rugged portal]

it does add 3 damage per shot embedded on reload though

er is strong as hell

[fringe thistle]

Plus 135 electric tick damage over 6 seconds, which should be enough to pop an egg with the two normal shots

[woeful patrol]

You're strong as hell

[fringe thistle]

Electricity OP

[rugged portal]

isn't it 139.5 for 5 second

[woeful patrol]

How to counter Electricity : Just fly

[fringe thistle]

Uhhhh

[woeful patrol]

Glyphid are so dumb

[rugged portal]

maybe misremembering

[low plover]

I surely want to try EDD as Gunner

[coarse wharf]

Gunner is stronk

[woeful patrol]

Wait a minute...

[low plover]

stronk

[coarse wharf]

every class is stronk

[low plover]

yes

[woeful patrol]

How does Electricity work on the Mactera ?

[coarse wharf]

errrr... normally?

[rugged portal]

yeah it 6 seconds

[woeful patrol]

Or is it a special kind of Electricity ?

[coarse wharf]

afaik

[rugged portal]

it work if it affected by electricity

just shoot them tbh

[fringe thistle]

Official wiki says 4.5 electric damage every 0.2 seconds for 6 seconds. Unless that has changed, math is 135 total.

[rugged portal]

outdated

[woeful patrol]

I mean, Electricity doesn't do anything if you don't touch something that is in contact with the ground (or I'm just being dumb and my last braincell has finally gave up)

[fringe thistle]

I wouldn't be surprised tbh

[rugged portal]

season 3 buff made it 139.5 over 6 seconds

overcharged pcf and efs get the same dot too

[fringe thistle]

More damage good

[coarse wharf]

really? you could just use Stun Sweeper and Stubby on Mactera normally

[fringe thistle]

Yes yes

[fringe thistle]

Didn't know that, ty for info

[coarse wharf]

Mactera have no quirks with electricity

[woeful patrol]

No, I mean, in real life, it work like that but how does it affect Mactera since they fly ?

[coarse wharf]

biological electricity, I would assume

[woeful patrol]

Damn

Fried Mactera

[rugged portal]

just shoot them tbh

[coarse wharf]

or just static charges stored in/around their bodies

[woeful patrol]

Sound crunchy

[rugged portal]

electrifying reload doesn't change anything but ammo

it still better to just straight up shoot them to death

[woeful patrol]

Yeah I know, I was just curious on the fundamental behind Mactera dying from Electricity even tho they fly

[low plover]

recently I discovered the true power of Driller's Ice Spear as well
it can oneshot menaces and other special enemies
and if you freeze enemies first and dump the rest of pressure chamber into spear (holy)
I didnt use it on dreads yet, but I need to try

I tell this here, because maybe someone considers going as Driller on new Deep Dives

[woeful patrol]

Try it.

[coarse wharf]

I just use FRE/ITF with 12232 on my Cryo Cannon with Heavy Hitter EPC

[low plover]

FRE/ITF?

[coarse wharf]

Flow Rate Expansion or Improved Thermal Efficiency

[low plover]

they're clean OC?

sound like

[coarse wharf]

FRE is balanced, ITF is clean

[low plover]

will check it out, now since Ive got all OCs possible I am making experiments with builds

[coarse wharf]

FRE can freeze slightly faster than ITF, but ITF has 25 more ammo than FRE

[woeful patrol]

I prefer ITF on my Cryo Gun, that juicy ammo

But I never go without HH EPC with Cryo Gun

[coarse wharf]

ye, both are very strong OCs since they just make the base Cryo Cannon even better

Base Cryo Cannon is just stupid stronk

and yeah, HH EPC just works super well with frozen status

[woeful patrol]

Especially TCF shot

[rugged portal]

actually this isn't outdated lmao, i forgot dot tick twice when they're applied so we are both right

[coarse wharf]

96 damage per normal shot on frozen enemies, and you can still EPC mine

[fringe thistle]

Pfff that's funny

Alright so it's 135 total, and that WAS the buff then. Love it

[woeful patrol]

Urgh, Math

[rugged portal]

so gk2 shot damage + 139.5 electric dot

[coarse wharf]

@fringe thistle sorry for the delayed response, but 21212 AISE GK2 is generally more ammo efficient since that 3+ damage is really important for hitting breakpoints

so ye

[low plover]

and I wonder about Gunner build for EDD
I thought about Carpet Bomber with fear factor, but it may be a pain in the regenerative bugs when I dont put DoT on them and they will spread on sides scared

[rugged portal]

there not much reason to use carpet bomber over ntp nowaday

[coarse wharf]

but it does require you to be hitting weakpoints as much as possible

[rugged portal]

outside of not killing yourself out of boredom

[fringe thistle]

No worries. I'll do the math at some point when I decide to not be lazy, I just wanna know which ones do what for my own brain.

[low plover]

I felt satisfied with Carpet Bomber

[rugged portal]

it like aise have almost zero spread lol

[low plover]

maybe it will be a good opportunity to use Neurotoxin more, hm

[rugged portal]

I used to build ac for autocannon then realize that the base aoe is already good

now magic bertha is my favorite build

[fringe thistle]

The breakpoint argument is good for swarm clear, but overall less damage on the bosses themselves. I guess that's countered by the higher dps

Ups and downs tbh

[coarse wharf]

yeah, I know, just mentioning that it can be hard to aim carefully in big swarms

[rugged portal]

dread ass count as weakpoint so

[coarse wharf]

that too

[fringe thistle]

I'll do the math later, ik how important breakpoints can be

[coarse wharf]

afaik, regarding this, the human nervous system does send electrical signals around the body

[fringe thistle]

Yes

[coarse wharf]

so I wouldn't be surprised if Mactera biology works similarly

[fringe thistle]

It's why you can activate muscles with the correct amount of electrical current. And why being electrocuted locks up your muscles.

[coarse wharf]

ye

I want to use Stubby now, hehehehehehe

I realized I haven't used it much at all outside of EM Discharge, gonna play with EM Refire Booster

[rugged portal]

I haven't touch stubby since ecr

[coarse wharf]

in some sandbox tests, I may have severely underestimated the power of Stubby (always a Cycle Overload Warthog stan)

when paired with VIR Shard Diffractor, holy shit...

trying 12112 EM Refire Stubby

[pliant yoke]

Electric Arc doesn’t seem to be doing much in this setup, unless it would be paired with T1B, so that’s one change I would suggest, i.e., changing T5 to A, or T1 to B and leaving T5 as is

But otherwise, this is a very close range Stubby with quite good damage potential

[coarse wharf]

what surprised me was the proc rate tho

it proc'ed a lot more than I expected it to

the reason for bumping Stubby up to 15 damage per shot is for swarmers, so ye

Electric Arc really surprised me in terms of how much it triggered even without T1B

[steel python]

Okay, to be fair real quick

This DD ain't that bad

Bit of a cake walk almost

Stage 3 has the dread cocoon right in the starting room so you have plenty of room to brawl

Followed by a very long tunnel full of red sugar

Stage 2 has some of the wonkiest terrain generation ever so prepare to suffer if you dont find the aquarqs fast enough

[rose yacht]

Wtf EDD is worse than yesterday

First stage: Point extraction WE all know how messed up that is...

[coarse wharf]

To quote the Driller in the drop pod...

[rose yacht]

Second stage: O2 + building pipelines.

[coarse wharf]

"HERE WE GO AGAIN"

[rose yacht]

[coarse wharf]

will try the new DD/EDD soon, I have to get my monitor replaced first tho...

fucking thing looks like a CRT screen in less than 2 months, and it's brand new too

[grim wadi]

punched the screen cause 2 weeks of robot boss? mood

oh

[coarse wharf]

LOL

[rose yacht]

I'll take robot boss over Point extraction any time.

[coarse wharf]

nothing extreme, hahahaha

[rose yacht]

Point extraction is just...

Why...

[coarse wharf]

it's not so bad with Scout/Driller

[rose yacht]

yeah i was the scout

our driller forgot he had drills

🤣

[coarse wharf]

oof...

my condolences

[rose yacht]

we nearly got wiped out on first stage.

2nd stage is...

[coarse wharf]

A good Driller is a godsend

[rose yacht]

is pain

[coarse wharf]

A bad Driller is just... why

[rose yacht]

our driller really didn't know what to do.

during a wave.

[coarse wharf]

yeah, that sounds painful

Driller is the destroyer of worlds when dealing with swarms

[grim wadi]

classic 'ive been maining another class and had to switch off it for this' brain

[inner rover]

atleast the data rack isnt in edd this week thank karl

[coarse wharf]

yeah, playing all 4 classes with similar promotion ranks helped my perspective on each class

Plat 1 on Engi/Driller/Gunner, Plat 2 on Scout

[steel python]

Oh yeah, that EDD spawn on first stage is hilarious

Drop pod opens and you're faced with a wall

[coarse wharf]

LOL

I feel that

[zenith ember]

2nd stage too

pretty chill edd, though i wished my team would have killed the dread with the bulk

[coarse wharf]

dude, blowing up Dreads with Bulks never fails to be fun

just seeing that big health bar get vaporized in a single hit

[zenith ember]

ik, really wanted to do that

[rugged portal]

I wish they increase dread health instead of making them health gated

i miss killing dread in 1 armor break

[marble token]

I also do that
except im gold 2 on scout and silver 1 on the rest

[coarse wharf]

quite the difference, haha

[coarse wharf]

you can one-cycle either of the Dread twins, but it's very tight on timing

[zenith ember]

ayy same

[coarse wharf]

Some players from Singapore pulled it off on Haz 5 4-player

Dread Lacerator died in 1 second

[rugged portal]

it hard enough to even 3 cycle with randos

[marble token]

I mean
silver 1 is not bad for understanding the different class

[rugged portal]

😭

[marble token]

I just love scout

[coarse wharf]

They posted the speed kill on Reddit

[rugged portal]

yeah you need a whole team coordination for that

[coarse wharf]

it's insane how coordinated they were

[rugged portal]

can't do it with random

[coarse wharf]

Lacerator got deleted from the game

[marble token]

the dreadnought's face when its critical weakpoint day

[coarse wharf]

Critical Weakness doesn't affect bosses, sadly

[rugged portal]

on god i miss crit weakness on dread

[marble token]

WHat

since when?

[rugged portal]

also they can be set on fire before ss1 iirc

[coarse wharf]

I am not sure since when, because I bought the game during the Winter Sale back in December

[rugged portal]

i bought like summer of 2021

[coarse wharf]

but CW doesn't work on bosses afaik

[marble token]

now u gonna tell me they nerf freeze + hyper propellant

[rugged portal]

but I don't play that much back then

i do remember dread not being health gated

[coarse wharf]

nah, they haven't touched it

[marble token]

I started playing in october 2022

thank karl 🙏

[coarse wharf]

Basically, they ran Cryo Driller w/ Impact Axes, Gunner with Leadbursters and BRT with max damage Lead Spray, Engi with Hyper Propellent, Scout with Jumbo Shells Boomstick and IFG

[marble token]

ifg are really nice with dread I noticed

[rugged portal]

Ifg increase your damage by flat 30% afterall

it good for everything

[coarse wharf]

just before the Lacerator gets frozen, the Gunner, Scout and Engi chuck out their Leadburster, IFG and SSG, then everyone does their burst

[marble token]

id expect that to 2-cycle the dread

with that much prep

[rugged portal]

they did it in 1

[marble token]

Ohhh

[coarse wharf]

Driller did axe canceling, Gunner spammed Lead Spray BRT, Engi shot a Hyper Propellent, Scout fired 2 Boomstick shots

[marble token]

spammed brt?
like animation cancel?

[rugged portal]

realistically no one gonna build their whole loadout just to kill twins very fast lol

[coarse wharf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/11rbght/we_decimated_a_lacerator_in_1_second_on_hazard_5/

[rugged portal]

probably 6 shot

[marble token]

yea

[coarse wharf]

nah, just having fire rate

[marble token]

oh yea

also what cryo build did the driller had

[burnt sandal]

dreadnoughts could never be set on fire and crit weakness haven't been affecting them since their rework IIRC

[coarse wharf]

thanks for chipping in 🙏

[marble token]

and they got reworked when?

[burnt sandal]

U33 IIRC

or was it U32 ?

[coarse wharf]

probably ITF/FRE, they were definitely running Cold Radiance in their tier 5 slot

[burnt sandal]

around this time anyway

when they added twins and hiveguard in the game

and reworked old OG

[marble token]

ohh

so long time ago

[burnt sandal]

yeah like 3 years

[marble token]

oof aight

[coarse wharf]

so proud of those SG players, hahaha

[burnt sandal]

it was U33, double checked

[marble token]

also continuing on the 1 shot dread
whats the minimum time the dread is vunerable for

[burnt sandal]

February 2021 so actually closer to 2 years

seems like the crit weakness change was even older though

[marble token]

o damn

yea cw would be hella busted now that I think about it

[rugged portal]

it is

[coarse wharf]

they baited out the flamethrower from the Lacerator before proceeding to set up the burst

[rugged portal]

hyperprop delete dread

there build in the comments

[marble token]

ohh right it isnt the og dread ops

[burnt sandal]

before that we also had supply pods casually one-shotting them anyway

80 nitra = free dread kill

[marble token]

lol

[rugged portal]

orbital strike op who would've thought

[coarse wharf]

also, one thing to note was that Engi and Scout didn't run Incendiary Compound on PGL and White Phosphorous Shells on Boomstick respectively, they would have ruined freeze instantly

[burnt sandal]

can't seem to find the patchnotes that made the dreads immune to CW so I'm still gonna assume it was a change tied to the dread overhaul

[marble token]

hm
fair enough

[marble token]

make sense

[woeful patrol]

Sorry for the late response but yeah, the human body does produce it's own "electricty" but it's strictly inclose in cells and/or junction and does not react with electricity from outside of your body. If you get hit by lightning but by who knows how, you have nothing touching the ground, you wouldn't get any consequences from it, just a really big scare of lightning

But drg is not about being logical, I'm just going too far in my reflexion

[coarse wharf]

well, you have the nervous system too, that's why people who survived lightning strikes have scars that outline their nerves across their skin

[marble token]

so jump just before the lightning

got it

[woeful patrol]

I never saw that and it seems really interesting to see

[woeful patrol]

Lmao, if only you had the time

[coarse wharf]

ye, should be able to google it

[woeful patrol]

Oooh, that's the tree thing

Looks like a badass scar but I wouldn't try it myself

[coarse wharf]

yeah... best not to

[cobalt radish]

53:37 min for the elite deep dive, hooray!

[unkempt dew]

wtf is up with stage 2 of the EDD

driller required lol

[warm hemlock]

How does low O2 work with missions without molly?

[unkempt dew]

It’s supplied by resupply pods and wherever you deposit

[warm hemlock]

Excuse my language but What the fuck is management thinking not putting tanks on the refinery?

[unkempt dew]

That’s what they did

you deposit into the refinery.

[warm hemlock]

And it refills. Ok my bad a miss understood

[unkempt dew]

All Deposit points, Molly included, have o2

Resupply pods and call-in pods have o2 as well

[warm hemlock]

Ahh

[unkempt dew]

litho meteor toolkits and hacker pods(?)

Stuff like that

[warm hemlock]

Why did they have to put tanks on molly. She is literally made as much of a pain in the ass as possible

[low plover]

I dont remember if pumpjacks provide oxygen as well

[pliant yoke]

They don’t

On Refining resupply pods and the refinery are the only sources of O2, and certain side objectives if they happen by (Rival Data Vault Hack-C pod, Lithophage Meteorite rock cracker pods)

[low plover]

At least

[rose yacht]

We don't have molly on EDD

Which makes things more hellish if you didn't rush gather nitra on first stage.

and escape quickly.

[warm hemlock]

Fun

[marble token]

(:

[rose yacht]

it's probably wiser to have a driller make a bunker and throw a drop pod in there.

smh.

🤣 at least you know where the spiders are going to come in from.

[marble token]

sticky fuel my beloved

[brisk pagoda]

it really rolled "frozen armpit" as the name and got both of the oxygen modifiers

[coral pond]

frozen armpit and not even in glacial strata smh

[coral pond]

is the caretaker explosion still able to kill dreads?

[woeful patrol]

Frozen armpit lmao

[rugged portal]

@south oak @torn bough @queen rampart dd tmr?

[tacit heath]

holy crap, solo edd as engineer this week was not it... i think driller is required for this one unless you're a masochist

50 mins in and i just got through level 2

[tranquil sentinel]

No Rocky Mountain moment

[tacit heath]

i did end up pickaxing about 20m through a wall for a scuffed oil well haha

rocky mountain sure would have been nice

otherwise the difficulty of this one really isn't bad

[wraith shard]

hi

[full heart]

just had 4 detonators on the 2nd map on normal deep dive
we somehow made it through

[icy ledge]

Can’t wait to get home and play them tomorrow

On a trip rn

It’s very hard to not spoil the deeps dives for myself, lol

[thick epoch]

No oxygen on site refining

Reeeeeee

[coral pond]

refining is like one of the easiest missions to deal with low o2 lmao

[rugged portal]

haunted cave low oxygen

😍

[tardy radish]

dude where is the nitra on first mission edd 😭

[fringe thistle]

If it helps, it's 7 aquarqs so if you get a fast scout they can just hard push collecting the gems and Speedrun it

10minutes tops

Then head right into onsite refining because it'll have about a billion nitra anyways

[tardy radish]

i'm doing solo driller rn, i have all 7 aquarq in about that time

[fringe thistle]

Is it a small map?

[tardy radish]

it's very, very open

but all of the aquarqs were reachable anyways, only used bosco for 1

[fringe thistle]

That's great to hear tbh

Full team will get it done in like 7 minutes then

[still geode]

btw DD is ezpz this week

shield disruption fungus bogs sounds bad but there is plenty of red sugar in the third stage and you'll have excess nitra

[rugged portal]

shield disruption fungus bogs is bad lol

you can avoid stabber vine and spike but you can't really avoid toxic gas cloud with funny hitbox

[unique ore]

unless you got flamethrower

[rugged portal]

it a workaround

[unique ore]

the dd had a pretty small amount of ammo, though we did have a driller that for some reason kept running out, but it isnt a 500 nitra game this time

[tardy radish]

okay, one of the eggs were an absolute bitch to find

turned what could be a 15 min mission into a 25 min mission

[unique ore]

you know you can see eggs on the map right?

[tacit heath]

~~that far off egg is worth investing a resup just so you can breathe ~~ oh wait nvm you're talking about lvl1

[tardy radish]

have you played the edd

[unique ore]

nope, but "find" the egg shouldnt be too hard

[tardy radish]

one of the eggs are in a room very far off the main room to where you can't see it on the terrain scanner unless you're close enough

[unique ore]

also I thought you mean dd since stage 2 has literally the same objectives

[tardy radish]

so i had to trial and error a bit while dodging all these enemies

[tardy radish]

LMAO i see what you mean now

that's harsh

[tacit heath]

yeah, i still got confused on the obj tho, i meant that far off well

for edd stage2

[tardy radish]

ah okay

yea i might just drill to there

the fact that the temp invulnerability upon revival perk doesn't stop slashers from stunning you is horrible

oh well
i got my blank matrix core, that's enough for me lol

[fringe thistle]

If you really want the other OCs, you could try finding a group in #lfg-steam

A lot of people run the deep dives the first day in here