#deep-dive-discussion
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I dont know if there is a bug or something, but I just did the EDD in like 44 minutes, went to join a DD, turns out the host was still on last weeks DD. I leave then restart my game, go back to the deep dive terminal and the game thinks I didnt do the EDD at all. The timer for completion doesnt show up?
the game might've thought u did last week's DD
Maybe you can get the rewarsd once again.
I know you need to restart the game before the new Deep Dive comes into effect.
I was host for the new EDD that I did, and then after I joined someone else's DD which was on last weeks DD
weird
I did get the rewards maybe I can do it again
Exploit the system for MAXIMUM GAINS
Ayy omelette fest in dd again
nvm
3 black box in edd wut
EDD is a breeze, stage 2 can be a bit annoying
Both dives have repeated secondaries
Egg dive and box dive
Pick your poison
I have just finished the DD and my recommendations are to bring fairly accurate weapons as you will be facing elites in stage 2 and regenerating robots in stage 3
So get some juicy weakpoint damage and try to save most of your nitra from stage 1 for stage 2
As the spawn for the pod is a massive dustbowl where q'ronar go crazy in
Also, stage 1 has VERY LONG TUNNELS which lead to a very long extraction run (doubly so since we had no driller) so once you get the quota, start going up with Molly before calling the pod
It will save you some ammo and health
EDD stage 2 and 3 might as well have swarmageddon on it, the amount of swarmers + nexus .-.
Man I’m not even gonna attempt the EDD this week. Save myself the headache lol
DD was fun
And ez
Nitra everywhere, bugs are a tiny bit challenging at times, interesting caves.
Even got most of the gold 😄
Thanks, I'll make sure to bring Thorns
wont help lol, bring some swarm clears instead
Great… mactera plague in the EDD
does deep dives just get updated?
Every thursday, so yes
rn i have Hollow Bough instead of Salt Pits and Glacial strata instead of Radioactive Exclusion Zone
restart ur game
it helped, thanks
Triple egg on deep dive is funny
Also wait You're telling me there's also 3 black boxes omg
Can anyone confirm if there's lot of nitra on edd
Its enough, unless your teammate is bringing a horribly inefficient build.
God the EDD looks like pure hell this week
geez this weeks edd is cursed
ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL SABO IN THE DD
Doing DD right now
Last stage is escort duty
Why sabotage gone
This EDD was built to destroy my Driller 
The last stage of DD was escort duty for me :/
Same
might be a error
They did a patch after the DDs were released, I think, which changes things IIRC.
Can you repeat deep dives for more loot or no point in repetition?
You'll still get gold and xp but it's not worth it
Stage 3 DD isnt industrial sabotage, its escort the dozer
True
deep dive was industrial for me
...so which is it
It was industrial for me as well, since I was playing with Teioh and another friend of ours.
i think it's just bugged for you and few others since the pin specifically said what it is
only thing on the last stage changed was the primary obj and warnings
idk if theres a bug report on this already
i mean this might explain why
if its that then surely doing another DD stage 3 would be escort right?
i can check later when i get on to confirm it, others probably can do that too
im doing the DD
i need to do another run with hubby and other friends anyways so i'll post an update when i get a chance to
Usually they do their patches to coincide with the new DDs coming out, but I think this patch was a little after, which has changed weekly DDs in the past, I believe.
yea, probably the patch cause that problem, maybe ppl who updated the patch have escort duty instead
that's what i was thinking too
yep its that
post patch
hmmm
So its not Sabotage anymore?
Not sure if I should feel sad that I finished the DD when it was sabo or happy that I don't have to do escort with lethal enemies lmao
What about EDD?
not known
Thank Karl
Boxed EDD
Looks like an exciting one
I got my DD reset to the previous week. Played it again, got fresh matrix cores. Then after restarting the game once more it was this week's, post patch.
i thought you just said it wasnt sabo
Okay, this elite deep dive is utter bs
Stage 2 is just a pure death trap. Horrible cavegen.
do i get cores each time i do a deep dive? or is a deep dive once a week?
once a week
ah okay thank you
ok so it's confirmed then
What’s this weeks normal dd. Haven’t had a chance to get on yet
check pinned messages
Just saw it thanks guys
yea it was drilldozer
ye theyll probably update that once theyre around, patch shuffled last mission
yeah, it was... quite something
we failed 3 times before giving up and the host was literally crying at the end. we could get either all of the aquarqs or the blackbox but not both
Y'all got any more of them b l a c k b o x
Rough EDD this week. Low Nitra, or maybe it was just my group
huh.
It could just be that someone on PlayStation reported the last stage to Muffin Cat and so it got recorded improperly since consoles have different DDs generated than PC.
nah the guy who reports it quickest uses sandbox utilities mod to get the info out
am I the only one who got escort for last dd
im about to go in my first deep dive, any tips for a driller main?
Have been at work so haven't seen your @ 's but thanks for letting me know guys! I'll fix it when I get home soon
oh come on, more Mactera Plague? -_-
welp time to pray that your engi uses smartrifle
or can actually aim their secondary
How hard is the EDD this week boys
hey muffin the last stage of DD is drilldozer not data rack
Pin is now updated!
Let's say; Stage 2 spawn is a death trap.
Pod lands in a literal pit, with lots of mactera's and glyphid's instantly swarming on you.
So deep dive has set haz levels? Is that right? I think I saw DD is 3/3.5/3.5 and EDD is 4.5/5/5.5?
EDD is 4>5>5.5, iirc
And how does a 4/5 standard mission compare to the EDD?
Not much difference, except that the map and spawns will exactly be the same with each retry, and there will not spawn any random events in DD's/EDD's.
Interesting, thanks for the info. Excited to try them eventually, got a ways to go till first promote.
I'll tell you; EDD's are really hard. Best get your grinding boots on to get some strong modifications and overclocks before giving EDD's a try.
I think, that it was Data rack for the dd but that small update earlier changed it why not sure but my theroy
Oh also what I forgot to mention; You cannot join DD's / EDD's in progress, only in the space rig. So with whatever team you depart, that's the crew you got to complete the run with.
Pro tip, though; any Bosco revive charges (if solo) as well as your Iron Will charge, DOES restore inbetween each stage.
If you need a specific beer (like the +30% health beer, or dark morkite if there's lots of morkite missions), hit ESC and spam the 'Disband Group' in the top left, to cycle through beer options until you got one that you want.
newish player here, when do EDDs and DDs reset?
did they just reset? i did last weeks EDD for my first ever and it was fun, how does it compare to this weeks
they reset thursday morning
v nice thank you
this week is apparently not fun
mactera plague and rival presence are annoying
sounds fun to me
rock and stone
i look forward to perishing over and over in the pursuit of empty cores and overclocks
good spirit
my double dipping, always on the floor driller was less fun than the mactera plague
I had a deathless EDD run while chatting about random stuff, so it's not too hard.
With a good team its not bad
Having a good team is like 70% of the challenge
When you have a good group of people that just do their roles well, it runs smoothly
spent half the time laughing and joking, 10% screaming from sudden suprises and the rest just murber
Yeah I had data rack
On PC
can you repeat deep dives for more rewards, or it is only once weekly
once a week
I mean you get the money and exp again but thats it
Drilldozer and Lethal Enemies, hoowee, increased pucker factor
And the game just casually reminded that bulks are not fun with Lethal Enemies on
Absolutely no respect - nukebug spawned right on Doretta and just instant-downed me
so if we have the same DD twice, even if it;s over years later, do we still pin the original post?
not just make a new one?
huh?
?
Well. The ai still make new DD eachweak
Nothing old just new cave that giving hard time to all player
last stage DD
pure headache
any OCE players? DD or EDD
Does anyone wanna do a DD and EDD on steam/vc Ik it’s late but I can’t sleep and am trying to make new friends @ me if anyone is interested ⛏️

Last stage DD had a detonator spawn at the flying rocks phase
That was fun
Failed once
play?
Sure
Add my steam please
almost got overwhelmed at the end
we're like consistently ran out of every thing
was fun as hell
Fire build gunner felt like the way to go this edd
imo shard engie + crspr driller
stubby shard engi can do everything
quite literally, you can't lose
stubby with EM Refire and shard with ODB
Haven’t done a deep dive yet, need some tips.
- Equip weapons you are most comfortable with
- Perks like iron will and field medic help for tricky situations where players are down
- Try to get as much nitra from each stage. The amount of nitra and gold you leave with from one stage carries over to the next.
- Your perk uses get refreshed once you enter the next stage, If you are running solo, Bosco’s revives are refilled. Handy to keep it in mind.
Also this EDD seems like a playground for driller or gunner
Especialy stage 2 which spawns you in a pit with a mactera firing squad above you
Now that's a useful trick.
Unfortunately beers don’t change until the mission timer resets (every 30m). But if you’re in the rig during one of those transitions, yeah, you can disband to catch the new one (EDIT: apparently they do rotate on every rig reset now! possibly a bug...)
You can also change the system clock to trigger new beers but that can cause sync issues in multiplayer
I just tested this and can confirm the original tip. You do not need to wait for the new mission set
I reloaded 4 times in 2 minutes and got Tunnel Rat. Dark Morkite, Dark Morkite, Red Rock, Tunnel Rat.
Huh, you're right! I wonder when that changed. Cool.
I wonder if they messed up something when they "fixed" the seed resetting after a promo and "fixed" deleting beers with Q
Which pissed me off. I mean, I got while the getting was good. I exploited that as much as I could manage with 3 hours a day to play, but here's the thing
I don't like exploits or cheating of any kind, even in fun non-competitive games like this. However this didn't feel like cheating because you had to put in work
You had to do your 3-mission hunt, then get a dwarf to 25, then 4-mission promotion, the another 3-mission hunt!
It's not like the exploit was "Go in this corner and jump and you get free cores"
You had to work your dwarven ass off.
I know this isn't the right channel, but 'tever. Needed that off my chest lol
Had to go confirm that I'm not crazy about the old behavior...wiki confirms it:
`Today's Special
These 8 drinks provide the dwarves with a buff once consumed. Only one of them is sold at a time, the special drink changes upon mission rotation and buffs can't be stacked. `
I almost hesitate to file a bug.
Don't you dare lol
I've heard others mention the low nitra in this EDD, yeah
it's a bit low, yeah
me and my group were running almost resupply to resupply
had a nemesis spawn on us on stage 3 of the edd and we got fucked
bruh 3 damn black boxes why game
cmon man nemesis spawns on stage 3? I havent gotten past stage 2 yet, but haven’t had a gunner (need the fucking shields for obvious reasons)
yall got nemesis?
this EDD is really hard
yo fuck this EDD i’m struggling so hard with this mission.
stage two is like impossible for me apparently
yeah, first two stages we were running thin on nitra
died on stage 3 cause a swarm overwhelmed us
mactera on stage 2 was the bad thing
Nitra is a bit tight this EDD, but my group never ran dry. It still might be wise to choose ammo efficient builds though or 2 or 3 man it if you're running out of nitra for resupplies.
Where do I find people for EDD if I don’t have any friends?
I just always play with random people. You can join a public EDD at the DD console or host a public EDD. If you want voice chat for it, you can join or make a game and use the voice chat on this Discord.
same! it's nice to change up players too because they give useful advice... or you can just get an extremely good player that will help the entire team survive
The DD and EDD weren’t bad. Heavy resource management needed for the EDD though. Nemesis does spawn on stage three.
My rando team fought the dreads in the spawn location each time. Driller placed c4 for remote starting.
I'd say that it's a lot of pressure on the scout and gunner specifically
Why Gunner?
I guess just shield management, since you have 3 black boxes, and a few chokepoints on stage 3
but yea the EDD is pretty much undoable without a scout
you need to be extremely quick and idk if it's worth the trouble
just bring a scout :P
I beat it with 3 player party and it was much easier than full
in the LFG channels, or through joining random lobbies
At the beginning yeah
iiim sorry, Nemesis spawns in DD?
not sure if it does in this one but yes, any random creature such as nemesis, bulk detonator, bet-c, etc (some don't but I don't know wich) can be in DD and EDD
nope i was all good
There always grayed out for me. Although I am in Brazil so that might be why
you can probably fix that i dont think it's a region issue
probably because you can't join ongoing deep dives, guess you could always host one
nemesis will absolutely ruin your black box experience
Can always let DD black box fail and restart it, if needed. Though that eats nitra
my dd is stuck on the stage 3 loading screen
this is what i get for not just hosting myself
host probably crashed
What is black box?
i hate it when i get into into an edd, drill right to the egg and the entire team is dilly dallying
walking into stage 2 with no nitra
Glad I don't need cores anymore that 3rd stage EDD is rigged from the start
left behind two refills
Is there any sort of recommended level/build/anything before trying EDD for the first time?
you should learn the strategies for dealing with various enemy groups and plot a gameplan before starting it up
Ok, so if you basically don't know anything making a gameplan isn't going to go well. What is the main difference in rewards for DD vs EDD?
it's the same, you get one core a stage
EDD Black Boxes for stage 1 and 2 both spawned in the roof of the cave. I had to dig them out and it got me killed on stage 2. Is this normal in vanilla game, or is this a side effect of one of my mods?
had our black box in the wide open ins tage 2 edd
So you do both to get cores from each?
The usual benchmark is “can make it through Haz5 without being dead weight”
(Although first EDD stage is closer to Haz4 in difficulty, H4.5 bugs move at H4 speed)
yes
Ok thanks, I still haven't even done H4 yet, lots to learn. Still haven't even started the other 3 classes either
3rd mission on EDD is fucking impossible
So much shit to deal with and not enough nitra
Now you make me want to try it
Eh? Nitra is not bad if you find all of the stuff available stage 2
Though I did have a nitra goblin of a scout tho
You'll quickly notice that the odds are stacked against you when you exit the pod and are met with a wall and 15 mactera
Heh
Stage 2 however yeah the fire squad is a bit much but if your driller insta tunnels you should be fine
Meh, theirs a solid nitra stock if the scout is doing a good job absorbing all of the nitra
Which made it pretty easy to deal with it
The enemies end up doing more damage than you though
There's an excess of swarmers so the chip damage is constant and then you get heavy hitters like Mactera coming in with Pratoreons who soak up damage
Later on you also have the turrets in an open space with the only cover being the choke point cavr
We got 2 menaces right as we entered
Spent a hour on the whole dive
got elite menaces the second time in stage 2
fortunately the two of them were completely unaware and we got the drop on them
sadly host decided to go afk at the drill so we left him to rot
probably still looking at the game over screen right now
52 min 3 ppl deep dive and its our first deep dive ever, how did we do?
why so many big black boxes this week
Yeah that shit was nuts doing it but my team got it done.
Did you end up getting it complete?
I was almost done with the final stage of the EDD and the fucking twins Dreadnaught spawned while we were doing the Black Box
UUUUUGH
just had the worst edd of my life, team didn't wait and rushed objectives, double dipped resupply, split up all the time, and we all died
boutta retire
There's always next time.
pretty much have to rush edd since even 1-2 extra swarm gonna decide your whole nitra economy
how many times have you messed up a mission tapping 4 but missing and hitting 5
Why is it all eggs for regular and all black box for elite?
retribution for the core hunt bugf
This week deep dive is hell
mactera plague my beloved
The funny thing is
Our driller threw a c4 at the black box
And we all die

and i got banned from my 6th dive today
i'm so glad i exploited tf out of the core hunt, i can't do it anymore
theres like a hundred left, and i'm losing my mind
how many times do you get banned before you start hosting it yourself
i probably should have done that 6 hours ago
did you get a message saying you got kicked or did you just lose connection
nah he/she straight up banned me
mad because she fell off the drill into that pit stage 3, other engineer decided to go with scout and left me on the drill alone
if i'd known earlier I would have just let the drill blow
it wasn't worth the core
I don't want to take another crack at edd
i've done more black boxes in the past couple hours than in the past month
that pit in stage 3 dd was really annoying
i got bounced off a teammates head and died at the bottom of it
Yeah i fell in on my second run
Deep Dive (not Elite) is just 3 haz 3 missions in a row, right?
Theoretically I can do it solo can't I
haz 3/3.5/3.5 on stage 1/2/3 respectively
you can solo both the regular deep dive and the elite if you're good enough
I'm not good enough for haz 4, I'll stick to DD
h
Just lost EDD on phase 2
Got swarmed by 70 mactera, a spitball, and a brood nexus
While doing black box
3rd stage is fucked for that strat. Got a chance to get a Nemesis(which ended my run) and if you go too far down you just open up a wall to another area
ahaha I wonder if that's a thing people have done, riding that bad boy down to keep out of range of a nemesis
idk why you'd start that black box on stage 2 without killing at least the spitballer
it's not hard to miss
nade choice alone probably isn't the cause of failure
stage 2 has mactera swarm though
so cryos could be nice there
take whatever ur comfy with
just bring a good weakpoint dmg weapon for mactera and u shud be good
boomerang and cryos are also pretty good for them
Ur right we ran outta nitra
congrats
1400+ bugs killed
1700+ minerals mined
I mean on stage 2 there are like 4 aquarqs high up with mactera plague so yea
it is not that easy
I think this one is hardest on engie
gunner is the second hardest
i think that drg for pc and for xbox have different dives?
or the new ones have rotated in
so you play on Xbox?
i do both cause i started on steam then went to xbox because my friends play on the xbox game pass version
I hear it's very pleasant on console
just a little buggy
but I've never had luck getting used to FPS games on console
and laggy
understandable
but the worst part is the xbox game launcher
it sucks ass
just checked the new maps rolled in at some point
it's really unfortunate that the only 2 good game marketplaces launchers I know are Steam and GoG
yea like a couple days ago, on Thursday
oh
i have been busy with school because instead of just getting snow day we now have "flex days" or "online days" which suck
can't catch a break smh
yea
it just sucks
because no you cant actually look forward to anything this is school and you shouldn't have the ability to actually enjoy anything
well I'm for one guilty of playing Deep Rock during online Zoom calls
because when I'm muted, I can just enter a low hazard stage and have something to fiddle with when I decide to listen in
i wish
welp you know what time it is?
its time to solo an elite deep dive as a engi
actually nvm
its way to late to try and run a deep dive
id genuinely argue scout is worse off than anyone else in solo btw
scout can be the big zoom so scout solo is epic
so for certain missions scout is really good
and even ones where big firepower is needed scout can still do well
doesnt really like salvage or escort tho
Jesus
defending a point as scout is pain
Team of three did ok in EDD 1 and 2, then got overrun by the horde in 3 after finishing the box.
Welp, not gonna do it again. I'm sure we could have finished with a bit more luck and skill.
Just let bosco get them lol
Edd this week is very lack of nitra on frist stage
This week EDD frist stage is really lack of nitra. Escpially when your team has 2 fall boy and a Driller that being pure greenbeard.
In stage 2. They got down and immediately left. Leaving me (scout) and an engineer fighting for the rest of the dive
In stage 3. Nemesis spawn in near black box location almost got grab by him and we decided to play safe to the end
Normal dd? Nothing much we're survived
i be lucky getting no nemesis first try and still manage to fuck off the planet
Nice
We were breezing theough the deep dive, then i got kicked on stage 3 when i started doretta
I'm very sorry to heard that
What do they have on deep dive
Because from what I know, E.D.D has C.L.C on stage 1 along with two dread and blackbox. Stage 2 has plague, 7 aquag and 1 blackbox. But what is stage 3
Info is in pins.
250
and 1 
Neft
rival
Hmmm
right, you can tell I don't play solo much
I told my group to kill it because I took out the brood nexus but none of them listened and started it
Beware of stage 2 of the Elite Deep Dive! Worst cave of my life!
stage 2 of the elite is absolutely devastating this week
Whats so bad about it?
im about to start it so thats bad news
Flying bug mostly
oh no
ill try hurricane with napalm rounds, hope that works
Use stunt
remember that some time ago there was another one with mactera plague, it was terrible
It more effective
They stand still for really long time
Bet
then i should probably take aoe range instead of direct dmg
Any oc?
i have both clean ones :/
Can you tell the name?
guidance cutoff and overtuned feed mechanism
Use 2nd one
yes
guidance cutoff kinda sucks
i wish i had plasma rockets or somethings
now im curious, what build should i run on the hurricane in total?
Jet fuel oc fast rocket good, more damage good for single target
ah yes forgot about that
dont have it though-
im playing solo
Zipline for me is add little angle, longer and reduce fall damage
should probably add that haha
Pickaxe for speedy recharge
reduced fall damage probably comes in handy, i usually use speed
Bug will aim for player on zipline first
So the whole thing stay on zipline is not very effective
yes
Better stay on the ground, run and shoot
not like a lot of glyphids will spawn
except mission 2, but yeah
ill just try it
gotta deposit fast and hope for the best
Stage 3. nemesis could spawn like mine
Near blackbox
Chasing me and my partner down
thats nasty
As long as we keep distance we be fine
Have fun and good luck
thanks, you too!
Just don't quit when someone not coming to save you
haha, obviously
I'm already done
ah, thats good
You already saw my review
right, sorry
No worry
Also there alot of swamer
And nexus
I'm don't see breeder on my run so keep your eyes open
Stay shard on the hearing. You maybe hearing a bulk coming
heard about that, they are easy to see luckily
got it
Did my first ever EDD and I did it solo, was fun.
I had 0 bulk spawns and 0 nemesis spawns so that was nice.
Stage 2 is definitely the spiciest.
They fly now?
They fly now.
Stage 2 is really rough. Haven’t been able to get past the wave after wave after wave.
It's point extraction so you have to be fast.
You playing pizza tower now
If you are solo have bosco yoink all the aquarqs while you stay around the minehead.
Better get those blue rock
I’ve been doing it in groups, but everyone gets overwhelmed with the mobs.
alright dd number 7 lets goooo
If you are in a group you need scout + engi to get some of them quickly.
The longer the more they are
Ah, makes sense
If you bored in edd mine 1 or 2 vein gold for fun
Need lead spray thing for brust pistol
Had two groups fail the EDD this week and decided to just solo it. Took quite a while and some revives from bosco but made it through alright.
Having 20 extra shields from getting all the resupplies really helps with mactera.
Took me an hour solo.
how the fuck are you supposed to do the blackbox on stage 2 solo
32213 bullet hell minigun
It effectively kept all the mactera stunned while I gunned them down
Combined with throwing down shield generators as needed
the funny part was
Did as gunner as well, shield and focus down mactera when they show up.
Solo edd you just need to have big dps.
and even cluster nade didnt deal with them
i guess hurricane sucks then
it did poorly
id use engi, but he dies too fast for my oppinion
Leadstorm lead storm.
maybe im just trash
yeah gotta get that one first
The heat one is pretty good too.
burning hell?
i do have that one
in the last mactera plague i ate shit with it so i figured it wouldnt do good
burning hell is great, especially if you have volatile bullets on the revolver to pair with it
man im just pissed i cant complete edds anymore for some reason
Aight so how are people beating stage 2 of this weeks Elite deep dive
That black box with mactera plague is brutal
and its always stage 2 i die on, which has weapon ocs which i so desperately need
Personally I like lead sprinkler grenade better because it has consistent coverage.
if you're preparing specifically for macteras, yeah leadbursters are probably your best option
hard to hit a large group of flying enemies with anything else
loki might do it
though good luck with ammo
I think a bunker might be needed
oh I was talking specifically about gunners grenade options
Don't forget bosco rockets.
I'd prefer not having to resort to bunkering but I failed it twice now so I might have to
There are just too many mactera
nothing wrong with breaking out the secret driller tech
my diller at lvl1
all that for another beard cosmetic
you can probably do without
What are you running for secondary?
me?
Yea.
that requires a overlock which i dont have-
AH
but yes i agree
mactera plague is actually the one situation hellfire sucks lol
I run lead spray brst.
Yeah that would be a problem
unless you're in a tight corridor than its still great
but otherwise mactera will just run out of your trail faster than they can be ignited
or add very little
My gunner is just all damage.
what you running?
Yeah a lot of green overclocks don't add much but honestly I kinda like that about them
Ls ls, lead spray brst
Sometimes it is nice to just use the base version of a gun without any gimmicks
yes
lots of lead
my gunner setup is bullet hell minigun, elephant rounds revolver
I can never remember oc names.
what has been doing me a solid was a little more oomph leadstorm and compact casings? brt
the green ammo one for brt
I should probably switch to more ammo on my lead storm.
in exchange for?
A little more oomph is great
Honestly my favourite overclock for the hurricane is still the clean one that gives you better fire rate
but also somehow good
oh yeah, its actually pretty good too
hurricane imo lacks dps and fireate
and it gives that
I like my guns going brrrrrrrrrrr
brrrrrrrrrrrrr
600 ammo for 2 damage, the 2nd row of mods.
ah
damage is likely better
id say
but depends on what other stuffs you got
Nah, it's 25% more ammo vs 14% more damage.
If you were running an OC that didn't give you as much damage then yes damage would be better.
yeah I run the damage mod on bullet hell for that exact reason
its a 28% damage increase at that point
This is true for pretty much every gun.
If OC gives you damage for ammo then ammo mods become more efficient.
And vice versa.
also makes the bugs die faster which is cool
yes
yeah usually what you want is a mix of both
i just do what feels good
if i see the gun doesnt really have enough ammo for me
i see and look what to change
should I just use cryo bolts if I dont have special powder
for BoM
the fire on shotgun feels a bit too inconsistent
oops wrong chat
but whatever im doing the EDD anyway
technically that’s 300 ammo
which is pretty meh
boomstick sets things on fire pretty consistently if you take the pellet mod
The relevant part is the % which doesn't change whether you think of it as 300 ammo or 600 ammo.
how exactly did you get 14%
2/14 = 0.142
with what oc
Conversation was about lead storm.
lsls ig it’s a smaller increase but i still think it’s a lot more impactful then 300 bullets
ammo in this game isn’t that much of an issue. And the difference in efficiency really isn’t even that big in practice
It's 25% more ammo vs 14.2% more damage ¯_(ツ)_/¯
that 14% gets a lot of benifit from variable chamber pressure too tho
Which one is that?
15% extra dmg at full stabilization
I don't run that.
idk, the only time i see ammo being better is if you miss a lot
i find that killing with less bullets more then makes up the less ammo
it’s the same reason i never run ammo on loki
the dps is great and the ammo efficiency is so similiar it barely ends up mattering
Leadstorm does miss a lot due to high initial spread.
And ls oc means you don't spend a lot of time fully spun up because of your massive damage.
you totally spend time at full stabilization
even max dmg lsls takes a good while to kill grunt swarms and pratorians
ye but if we aren’t talking about haz 5, ur choice doesn’t matter nearly as much
during a swarm, you are like 90% of the time. Especially if you take accuracy tier 1 (which you shud cus everything else on that tier is pretty bad)
haz 5 solo ammo does not matter whatsoever
why wud i need ammo in solo when i get 3 extra resupplies per 80 nitra
RoF on tier 1 is decent.
I don't find the accuracy relevant if I am spun up.
it’s incredibly relevant at full stabilization
being able to hit weakpoints at mid to long range is a pretty massive dps increase in a lot of situations
ig it depends on the range you fight things, but personally i like being able to actually hit warden and menaces weakpoints outside close range
I just don't find myself fighting at that range personally.
Wardens are the only ones with a hard to hit weakpoint at range, spitballers are just really easy.
I just walk up a little with those.
naw you will def not be hitting the weakpoint consistently outside close range without accuracy
It's just wardens and menace.
and patrol bots
and spitters
accuracy heavily increases lsls effectiveness vs patrol bots in particular
I'm not physically aiming at spitter weakpoint realistically.
And patrol bots I usually take on 50-50 with brst.
in meduim sized cave, you can miss the spitter completely
brt’s best oc is inaccurate. And why wud i take brt if i’m using minigun? I’d rather take aoe like hellfire or magic bullets
Sounds to me you shoot at things a lot further than I bother.
Could I ask about joining a group to do the current deep dive? It's my absolute first time ever doing a deep dive.
How compact mags are inaccurate? 
Does anyone know the objectives are for the elite deep dive?
It says it on the subreddit but it's 2 dreads + black box - aquarqs + black box - morkite + black box
First stage has cave leech cluster
Second stage has mactera plague and sucks major ass
Third stage is rival pressence
Also while i am at it dreads are twins and hiveguard
look in pinned messages
Damn the roley poley bastards in the second stage did my group in lol.
Which wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the fact we reached that point twice
it took me 5 attempts to beat it but the successful run had us with a resupply to spare. It's definitely very rough but there's a room on stage 2 (where incidentally also the drop pod lands, idk if it's any different at different runs) with 2 more nitra veins that you just might need
There is 2 resupply worth of nitra on stage 1.
There are 4-5 nitra veins pretty close to the mine head in stage 2.
That is the third time
My connection was cut
It was going so well...
I'm going completely insane
This edd is hell
Which sucks because I am a stubborn bastard and want to beat it
Don't even care about the cosmetic
This is personal now
Why didn't you make it
I thought it was ok. Just got unlucky in the middle of Stage 3.
First few attempts the mactera swarms at stage 2 wiped my group
So i swapped to bunkering which works and let's me make it to stage 3 but by that point nitra becomes a huge issue
Last run we just ran out
Can't really kill a swarm with just a pickaxe
Also doesn't help that people keep falling down the huge pit at the start of stage 3 and then dying
I see yeah maybe we would've run out as well if the swarm after the box hadn't killed us all
No idea just yet
Right
I beat it with 3 players so it might just be confirmation bias, but it was much easier than all of my previous 4 attempts which all had 4 players
Why is that, it scales?
found the swarms to have less enemies
or maybe the engineer was so good that he deleted enemies before I could even look at them (was scout)
if we're talking about definitely confirmed scaling, the enemies health is lower
enemy count scales up with player count but more players also means more bullets
so if your teammate are good more players is easier and if they suck more is harder
yea I guess we just had a good team composition (no driller)
and I wasn't a particularly great engineer in this EDD I'll admit
On my second Edd run
I told my team to watch the air specifically cuz I got minelayer and will carry ground bugs
And we still got wiped by the macteras stage 2 lol
It’s really your team at that point
There’s ppl who get down right after u res them too so u blew ur utilities for nothing saving them and u get fucked right after cuz they are on cooldown 🗿
anyone got any class recommendations to solo this week's EDD? i've tried it with scout and gunner but i keep dying to mactera swarms in stage 2 during the black box
or is it just a skill issue
its pain tbh
gunner with a minigun built for single target burst and magic bullet bulldog or hellfire coilgun for aoe along with sheild with 1 size and 1 recharge speed would probably be the most reliable for that wide variety of enemy type.
gunner is your best bet, bullet hell/lead storm/burning hell are all great OCs for the minigun
maybe also bring steve for aggro or berzerk to save ammo or slap patrol bots.
On stage 2 I would recommend having a Driller and an Engie work together to build a proper bunker for the black box
Finally
I beat it
congrats
Ended up doing it solo on Driller
Would not really recommend that
I did however have all the nitra i could ever want
I mean dreadnoughts sound annoying, but I imagine driller makes stages 2 and 3 free
It mostly just took forever
The dreadnoughts weren't that bad
I used the sludge pump and cleared out the cave first
you could run ice storm if you wanted to use driller for it since it hits both dreads and bots hard
So i just kited them around the entire cave
Third stage was free
Second stage still wasn't easy due to the constant swarms and mactera's just being annoying
yeah i'd believe that
Ntp + fear bfm please
had a good EDD run and then gunner left, had no way to deal with bots in stage 3 😦
all boxes were done. sigh time to do it again
Question, it appears that deep dives don't show up in the public list much
For reference I'm on PS4
That basically means I can only do it solo, right?
You can do them in solo, as if they were normal mission, yeah.
Can always host them too
Thing is once you've started a deep dive no one else can join
I tried a deep dive on my own and died on the second mission
fellas
if i wanted to run Bullet Hell lead storm and Magic Bullets bulldog at the same time, what’s the build?
i’m not trying to be viable i’m trying to be hilarious
idk what the ui looks like on console, but at least on pc there's a toggle for solo, private, and public when choosing which deep dive to run
depends if you want funny or horrible
bullet hell with stun, ammo and aggressive venting
32113 is a decent build
but this is true funni
just fire until you overheat 
to bad we dont have the insane firerate thing:/
on lead storm i assume
on bullet hell
and for magic bullets bulldog?
13212 for a realistic build and 23112 for funni
activating maximum funny
i must achieve maximum hilarity
it basicly a work version of the realistic build
unironically i love pulling unviable builds because they make me feel better when i win
because i won with something trash
oh if your looking for something trash for bullet hell 21232 is complete trash
i already started my first mission lol
i’ve got the viable lead storm and trash magic bullets loadout rn
lmao
i must become the garbageman
the garbo setup
Driller build with Better Air Pressurizer mod, Potent Goo Mix mod, Superaturation mod, Protein Disruption Mix mod, Improved Spooling Mechanism mod, Re...
dont use it plz
it bad
Did EDD with it twice since you posted it.
contrarians tend to be like that
based
Yes, especially stage two so you can get out of the spawn firing squad
drg chat in shamble
its so over, ue ue ue
Stage 2 pod gives you a rock wall
Mactera cloud and slasher grunt gank squad coming for you asap
ya we failed
whole squad needs fear
I sat in the pod for a while trying to clear it up a bit.
finally finished the edd, was stuck on the 2nd stage for so long with the uplink and mactera swarms
We got through to the 3rd stage but died after the black box. All we had was morkite 😦
thats rough! that second stage though...
sooo how does one start this deep dive stuff
alright guess i will ask a detonator
Get a dwarf to lvl 25, finish the promotion assignment, promote him. You now have unlocked deep dives on the deep dive terminal next to the forge.
deep dives are always the same? i just did my first 2 in a row and both had same mission types and exact same map layouts
Yes, they rotate every thursday
and they're the same for everyone (except steam and console versions are slightly different)
so do i just hit "launch" and hope for the best?
Or you can join an existing team if you like playing with others
You can check the pin and chat here to get an idea of what's waiting for you.
I got lucky on stage 2 EDD cuz engineer with fat boy do most of the job
Man.
He waste so much nitra.
Anyone wanna run Elite Deep Dive. Literally just had a party who threw the match because nobody picked up red sugar before starting objective even tho it was all around us and they had like no HP...
its like they wanted to die?
I am a bit confused
why not pick it up?
tunnel vision
and then the prior run the Engi summoned the resupply over a ditch and the entire party fell to their deaths
I have no words
I told scout to pick it up and the other party member said 'skip it and start objective' --- womp that scout died immediately followed by the gunner who also didn't get the red sugar....
Skill issue
i just had to carry some fucking rando thru an EDD bc i accidently made it public
gonna send my PayPal and demand a fat stack
I tried it 4 times with randoms and keep getting teams who make very dumb decisions. I give up LMAO
and regular is just so dry
i just tried first time and failed
we died when going to the pod in the last stage after the black box due to ammo issues
@stone yacht but i'm willing to play this EDD with you at like 7pm
that sounds painful
what time is it for you?
scout
Noted
I will either do Hellfire Coilgun + Lead Storm (overclock) Minigun Gunner or Face Burner Flamethrower + Automatic Subata Driller
I'd recommend the gunner setup more than the driller one for the edd
My teams keep dying on the second stage xD and its usually me the last one standing...
never even made it to the third
I have a cryo build
I think I will do Gunner because its my best build anyways. Hellfire coilgun kinda busted
And Leadstorm destroys the dreadnaughts
You don't need fire persay, even with rival presence. Especially with leadstorm, which just shits on patrol bots with pure damage
Lost the last run because my team didnt take iron will and they started objective early and died even tho everyone wasn't ready...
So I already used my Iron Will + resupplier to self rez but couldn't save the rest of them
R.I.P.
second stage i just use a lot of cryo minelets/grenades
That was on Driller build
That's just unlucky, people trying to rush things in an uncoordinated group will almost always result in failure
I literally never lost Deep Dive Elite before and now this week I lost it 4 times. Idk if I keep getting unlucky. But I had very questionable runs...
yeah...
lmao no worries we'll do it at 7
I just wanted to get it out the way since I am busy this week lmao. But when people dont get nitra, order resupply on ledges, dont go for red sugar, neglect iron will, start objectives alone
like huhh?
It's a bit rough especially since it's an aquarq stage, which are the missions you want to get done the fastest so you're not stuck in an endless wave. But rushing uncoordinatedly can be worse
we just had black box left but everyone wasn't even there when whoever hit start
nor did my teammates have full HP when it started
But tbh even then people for some reason ignore red sugar which I dont understand
oh and someone went afk during swam LMAO
they even said they were afk so
How do we feel about thermal exhaust feedback Drak?
That's very unlucky with some bad players imho. If i wasn't working today i'd join y'all
TEF is good imo
It's easier to solo than do it with randoms imo
Unless there is ghost mutator on any stage.

why is that?
trying to get the hang of its fast rate to reach overheat
but seems strong. hits enemies hard
Fewer mobs, you get bosco who is amazing and you have more ammo available.
It's more consistent than randos in my experience.
Bosco is goated in point extraction.
Fair points. Is he useful for Dreadnoughts tho? Since that is the first stage of the Deep Dive.
Not much, rocket is nice for softening the 3 spots on hiveguard but that's it.
Has anyone tried plasma burster missiles hurricane on the edd
Damn I can't imagine doing the elite run with twins solo unless I did it on Gunner since that's my best build. But idk feel like I would slip
I did it on gunner personally.
I did it solo on Driller
Probably shouldn't have tried fighting both Dreads at the same time but i made it
Driller for dreads is sludge pump right?
Yeah
What do you run for secondary?
I want Disperse Compound on Sludge so badly but the game never gives me sludge overclocks
I ran disperser combound sludge pump with the slow mod in tier 5 for max kite power
was my 2. overclock i got 😛 be damned rng
And then the wave cooker as a secundary but that was probably a very dumb idea since i took gamma contamination
talking about disperse compound sludge, what would be the best secondary for solo, outside of epc mining shenanigans
Depends
pls dont burn me alive for asking bis question 
Gamma contamination wave cooker is my personal favourite secundary
Take the t5A mod as wel for max synergy
Literally I play Engi and Scout the least so the game gave me every overclock for them but never Gunner and Driller. No matter, Hyperpropellent on grenade launcher and turret electro charge (forgot the name) with stubby are really good for single-target and AoE.
That way you apply triple dots on enemies
But been trying flamethrower facemelter despite Flamethrower being my least favorite primary of Driller
But some enemies in the radiation exclusive zone have gamma damage resist so it's probably not the best
ye that one sounds good, sadly dont have that oc
Otherwise i'd go with the epc but with burning nightmare mod
Run whatever oc you have doesn't really mattter
THat way you can ignite the goo
ill give it a shot, was trying wavecooker so far, but without gamma contamination its a little lacking in terms of dps
My driller gameplay is very one dimensional, flamethrower subata, gotta try some other stuff.
Cryo with snowball haha. And then Vampire + drill and throw axes. Ironwill to rez yourself too!!!
Wave cooker is also quite good for swarm clear if you run it with boiler ray in tier 5
is epc with burning nightmare rly viable
never gave it a shot
like, whats the plan
you just chargeshot your gue
and thats it?
I love the epc with burning nightmare
charge shot past it
There are different ways to use it
Heavy hitter if you want it for normal shots with fire damage
Energy rerouting if you want it for both
the ball flys through everything killing em and then lights your goo on fire to
And then overcharger if you like heavy waveclear with charged shots
I’m gonna be playing this game for the first time is this game ok to play solo or as it progresses does it get harder and you need to play co op
The game scales the missions to how many players you have so you can totally play it solo
And if you are solo you get a little robot buddy to help
Oh that’s cool also This might be a dumb question but what do you do in this game hwo do you progress ?
Don't think you can ignite a dread
on the last stage, the other players didn't bring dottys head back then i got stuck and died n they left without me 😔
You play and complete missions to earn xp and level up your dwarf
the overcharger passes throw dreads to. its basically breach cutter but its not doing as much dmg. if you know youre gonna fight alot of dreads get the pimple oc for the cooker and shoot it in the face then sludge the pimple