deep-dive-discussion

[tame verge]

HIA provides so little benefit to really be called interesting the rest sure

but I was meaning beyond just shoot harder

HIA is a +2 DPS increase and a 9.75% slow increase

[lyric harness]

Well, Sludge Blast and Goo Bomber are "shoot different". But that's the case with most Unstables. That's what an Unstable should be.

[tame verge]

minelayer

[limpid pond]

The fact that Minelayer got buffed is a constant axe over my head about everything wrong with this game tbh

[tame verge]

Volatile bullets got buffed way back when

[lyric harness]

Why?

[tame verge]

Aggressive venting on scout got buffed

[tame verge]

it was already very very strong

[lyric harness]

Ah.

[limpid pond]

Pick rate balancing. Minelayer was strong but fine, and then it got buffed to obscenity because not enough people used it. It's one part of how I think the huge push to be "casual" is lowering the quality of the game.

[tame verge]

the reason they nerfed drak

[unkempt saffron]

Honestly youre not really losing anything when pb and fn got merged into bn, you can still use it for its normal shots to light stuff up or use the charged shot for fn purposes, its no tcf but it aint as bad as it used to be either i guess

[tame verge]

my main reason for hating it is because it IS the only way to light your own goo on fire

make wave do it base

[unkempt saffron]

Oh fair enough then, microwave could definitely use something of the sort

And more of course

[trail pivot]

microwave gun that can't actually light things on fire

[limpid pond]

Like, yeah, it's a goofy PvE game primarily made for dicking around with your friends. That's not a crime. But then there's stuff like taking this long to buff GK2, nerfing DRAK just because it was better than GK2, releasing Coil Gun and Wave Cooker and Voltaic Stun Sweeper the way they were, practically unchanged when the constant feedback was "they're not good enough"...

[lyric harness]

Ooh, how about removing the damage boost against things on fire on Subata, and replacing it with setting things on fire?

[tame verge]

please leave my subata alone

[unkempt saffron]

At least you can mildly heat or cool stuff down given the right status, amirite

[tame verge]

it's fine

[trail pivot]

that would make chain hit great

[tame verge]

don't nerf it

make it another T5 and you got a deal

[unkempt saffron]

Why nerf subaru, it needs buffs a la gk2 style

[tame verge]

Nah subata is 80% fine, just Autofire base really

[trail pivot]

it would become too similar to epc then. an oc that lets it do fire build up sure.

[limpid pond]

The new Season model focusing on pushing new content over polishing the old, the massive backlash you get over any negative criticism of the game, the constant pushing that this is "wholesome" and "casual" and "non-serious" and examination of the weapons, and difficulties, and strategies is just playing wrong... I'm so tired of it all.

[trail pivot]

maybe try the mod rebalances/ edits?

[unkempt saffron]

I still think it needs a damage increase to just make it shine that much more, still feels painfully weak without the appropriate oc imo

[lyric harness]

Fair. Rather, I would say, its base damage should be balanced so you don't need to take that to begin with.

[trail pivot]

must be something in the modding community

and lighting things on fire should be base cwc

even if it only happens on the overheat

[lyric harness]

I agree that blindly hating people who want to try harder is just as foolish as blindly hating casual players.

[unkempt saffron]

Nah none of that overheat kinda bs, just make it ignite as a base feature

[tame verge]

all it really needs is T4 hollowpoints and T5 volatile, or Explosive reload. does this mean it's only good with flamer/that OC. Yes

but it's 100% what I want for Driller guns, things that combo with what I'm trying to do and doesn't do anything fancy like resetting the combo looks at wave

[lyric harness]

I just want to be able to deal with Mactera and Acid spitters

[limpid pond]

90% of "balance" mods are just "buff everything lol". I'm actually developing my own balance mod, but I've burnt out so hard on the game. We've barely put our foot in the door coding-wise, and there's still so much to be done. And even bigger issues like the stupid 9 OCs a week system we can't touch at all or it just gets Sandboxed. Trying to fine-tune this gun or this mod when double Warning Haz 5 is barely even a challenge isn't all that exciting.

[tame verge]

mactera you have your primary to deal with them and acid spitters just work on your mean mug and they might leave you alone

[trail pivot]

one could mod every existing oc to be mechanically interesting

[lyric harness]

But I like Sticky Fuel. What do?

[trail pivot]

if someone were so motivated...

[tame verge]

put damage T2 on it and now it kills mactera

it's also just good

you don't need that sticky flame duration I find the base is plenty

[tame verge]

Remember CVO?

[trail pivot]

tell me about it?

[tame verge]

Comprehensive something something overhaul

it actually was that

[limpid pond]

Okay, so game's too easy, how do we make it organically harder without just slapping on Haz 6 or 7? More bugs? That's more lag, a new level of ammo efficiency every weapon is now expected to meet. Tankier bugs? Now we have to redo the breakpoints on every single weapon. Much weaker weapons? Same thing, but in the opposite direction...

[tame verge]

they went though and balanced everything for hazard 5 and even made interesting mods/OCs

[trail pivot]

a more intelligent enemy director/ spawner?

[tame verge]

They turned Compact ammo on PLG into Seeker 6 a 3 round burst PGL overclock

[trail pivot]

that sounds useful

[tame verge]

I believe it's abandoned but it's neat to take a look let me see if I can't find a doc of all the changes

[unkempt saffron]

Is it updated to the latest version of the game?

[trail pivot]

additionally, elite enemies that are specifically resistant to whatever the team is using, enemies that heal from certain stauses?

[tame verge]

no

it has not been updated

[limpid pond]

Was Deprecated Season 01, haven't heard a peep since 😔

[trail pivot]

I'm surprised that elite enemies don't work this way already

[unkempt saffron]

Requires too much game logic?

[trail pivot]

that the game doesn't make them immune to whatever is doing the most damage on the team

[tame verge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z2Q6HRbABIeIFJWWe1am2FJ26FDWKTdAHAK-tuEfqY0/edit found em

[limpid pond]

I'm pretty sure that's the logic that lead to Rival Tech 😬

[trail pivot]

we should do it more

[limpid pond]

"Hey, we hate Cryo, what if it died completely even though Heat has always been stronger?"

[lime meteor]

Regenerative bugs being baseline?

[trail pivot]

for instance the ntp user coming face to face with an elite that heals from nuerotoxin and resists aoe?

[lime meteor]

a mactera that resists neurotoxin

actually NVM gunner just uses secondary

[limpid pond]

One thing I thought of is more/harsher Disablers. Grabbers and Trawlers are pretty tame compared to the L4D Specials.

[trail pivot]

but to the point where it becomes a hassle to move like in l4d2? what about more enemies capable of zoning players without grapples?

[limpid pond]

Unironically, we need more stuff like Nemesis. The "priority targets" in this game are just "bugs that shoot", and there could be so much better when Vermintide has tornado-generating wizards.

[lyric harness]

Just not sandsharks please

Not the damn sandsharks

[trail pivot]

We really do need an enemy that spawns poison clouds and smokescreens

[tame verge]

just make them more interesting than just another bulk

[limpid pond]

More specific enemies that grab your attention gives the "non-threatening" ones more time to sneak up and bite your ass

[tame verge]

because nemmy is just a more annoying bulk because of the shield nothing more nothing less

[trail pivot]

Nems lack of ranged attacks hurt

[tame verge]

if nemmy had an actual GUN that would be different

[lime meteor]

also nemesis being cheesed by flames

[trail pivot]

I do wish drg elites worked more like borderlands elites

[limpid pond]

It's a very interesting thought exercise, but I don't really have any concrete ideas, and modelling and coding new enemies would be a nightmare...

[fierce sparrow]

like making nemi arms similar to caretaker turrets or something, that way u have incentive to shoot them even when they haven't grabbed someone

[lime meteor]

Shooting them does nothing anyway lmao

[fierce sparrow]

they drop people if they have them grabbed if u shoot them

[lime meteor]

No

where did u get this from

[trail pivot]

It's bizarre we have a death machine robot, that doesn't have rocket swarm or a deathbeam

That's like the evil machine starter pack

[fierce sparrow]

could've sworn I heard it somewhere, and I was in a non-solo mission and it didn't kill teammate after grab when I shot them

[lime meteor]

cuz u aren't on haz 5 where nemesis arms basically instant kill

[fierce sparrow]

my memory says it was a pretty open area, so no terrain collision, but tbf it's been a week or so, so I could be entirely wrong

Thought grab damage doesn't scale ? it's just dot til death

[limpid pond]

The damage scales. It's only a one shot kill on Haz 5.

[fierce sparrow]

interesting. Good to know

[lyric harness]

It's been very interesting discussing balance with you, my fellow miner. Thank you for the stimulating discourse!

[limpid pond]

Yeah, sorry for being rude.

I just reflexively get mad at "OCs don't matter" because I spent my firsr 600 hours of playtime missing out on things I really would've liked because you only get 7.2 Weapon OCs a week.

Run out of ammo during an EDD isn't exactly inspiring when you're playing OCless and you're missing OCs that would've held you over for much longer.

[lyric harness]

Sorry to hear. I personally missed out on season 2 and half of season 1 entirely, but the recent season 3 bug of weekly core hunt resetting on promotion definitely alleviated that grind a lot. Here's hoping they keep it in, for the sake of future greenbeards.

[trail pivot]

It did alleviate the weapon grind by planting me face first in the cosmetic grind

Cosmetics are nuts

Some of it should really go to the shop

[lyric harness]

Yeah, I'm also sick of seeing 5 variants of a goatee per class...

[trail pivot]

It would probably take 3000 hours to finish the cosmetic grind

Literally every item and paint job *4

Plus time spent looking for machine events

Could spend weeks resetting missions to get machine events

I've gone up two levels just from resetting for events for two hours and picking up error cubes etc.

[frail patrol]

once the yuletide event starts the error cube xp is gonna get insane again.l Honestly the best part of the event

[trail pivot]

Isn't it only season xp that is doubled?

Is it all xp?

[wraith kraken]

Says season in the announcement but maybe itll be all

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[wraith shard]

BALLIN

[mortal cliff]

But at what cost

[woeful niche]

im at 3000 hours and i finished cosmetics long time ago. Granted that was before the season content was added to the cores

[granite pagoda]

I was just traumatized by this week's third stage elite deep dive

[fast stratus]

Critical weakness makes it effectively haz 3 imo

[tribal sandal]

Not if you bring the loki

[lime meteor]

You can aim for weak points with the lok

just arc the bullets

[frail patrol]

i meant the error cubes can drop from the presents on the map at around a 4% chance. Which adds up to a ton of xp

wasn't even aware of doubled season xp tbh

[vapid lily]

EDD this week was okay

Didn’t like all the Spitball Infectors tho, real sick of those guys

[trail pivot]

wait error cubes in presents? holy

I can't wait to completely derail the mission for presents

[balmy stone]

I’ve been waiting for this since I learned that they don’t drop from pumpkins

I need 2 error cubes on one mission

[severe tusk]

I still hope that they use Error Cubes for something one day, even if it's just as beard jewelry.

[balmy stone]

There should be a table in the space rig with the error cubes stacked up

[severe tusk]

They would no doubt get eaten.

[frank cradle]

would love too play whit you all sometime:)

[weary narwhal]

sometimes i hope we get a deep dive thats just a big middle finger to everyone attempting it. we got low o2, haunted cave, all missions are negative modifiers, stupid cave gen (eg drilldozer but 90% of the oil shale is on the ceiling) and overall painfull bug spawns (including excess bulk dets)

plus its hollow bough so the cave gen can get even weirder

dont forget shield disruption

[severe tusk]

Make it all escort missions on Hollow Bough where the drilldozer digs straight down the whole time while the surroundings constantly poke you.

[weary narwhal]

i like how you think

include the staber vines being at really awkward angles, making it simply mildly annoying and time consuming to get rid of them

[timid elbow]

there'd still be certain people in here claiming it was easy for the whole week

[weary narwhal]

Thats true

[limpid pond]

Shattered Position

Shit was crazy

[robust saffron]

Anybody doing an EDD before reset?

[severe tusk]

I waited until yesterday to do it.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[frail charm]

i wonder how the deep dive process works. Does someone at GSG have to review them?

Or even play through them? If they have to play through them, I feel sorry for whoever got tasked with that exploder infestation caretaker EDD

[hushed sequoia]

same as missions being generated afaik

[limpid pond]

They're randomly generated automatically, but the devs play them on stream

[blissful pine]

last weeks elite wasnt that?
couldn't even get out of the pod without getting accosted by a whole mob of mactera lol

[weary narwhal]

i dont think i played last week's EDD myselc

Sounds right though

[blissful pine]

it loosened up a little bit after that but if you leave the pod right away you're basically dead.
its like getting noticed by hte 40k imperial guard lol

going full darkside with driller made that a bit easier, funnel all those flying bastards into a long tunnel and then goo the whole place 😄

[languid crow]

can deep dives/elite deep dives have industrial sabotage? i thought they couldn't but someone said they can

[timid elbow]

they can and they have as of season 3

in fact we had at least 2 weeks in a row, possibly 3 where either the DD or EDD had Industrial Sabotage as one of the stages

Looks like it was 4 weeks in a row.
3rd Nov DD stage 3
10th Nov EDD stage 2
17th Nov DD stage 2
24th Nov DD stage 2

[trail pivot]

i've had this odd feeling the terrain generation takes cues from the multiple objective types or something like that

[languid crow]

That’s awful lmao I haven’t been able to play much due to college thank god those are the weeks I missed

I hate industrial sabotage so much

[static tiger]

did the DD's refreesh yet?

[coral pond]

they refresh in like 9 hours

[trail pivot]

too tired to grind another core hunt

well another promotion

[tulip hornet]

had a nemesis spawn directly on top of us during the uplink of the last stage of the edd

[junior pendant]

in 7 hours

[coral pond]

man stage 2 of the edd was extremely aggravating, but it was somewhat counteracted by bunkering for the easy finish on stage 3 at least. Man fuck haz5

[lime meteor]

critical weakness turns that last stage from haz 5 to 4

[jagged rapids]

Yo friends, can y'all help me confirm something we're discussing on Reddit?

For deep dives, I know you can let the black box fail and you're fine to restart the box without mission fail.. From what I recall, this is also true for uplink/refuel and I'm pretty sure I've done it before. Someone said this doesn't work for them in solo.

Am I crazy and failing uplink/refuel is still mission failed like a non dive? Or is it true that this is only a thing for multi

[lime meteor]

who told you you are able to retry uplink and refuel that's only for black box

[feral oar]

rival presence dreadnought mule mission 🕵️‍♂️

actually horrible

[lime meteor]

Nah it's critical weakness

[jagged rapids]

Me myself and my dumb ass 😅 I could've sworn I'd done this before because of a bulk bullying my team out of the uplink.

Guess I remembered wrong bc it must've been a box then

Thank you, gonna go correct myself in Reddit

[feral oar]

critical weakness is fine until you have scc and you die so everyone else dies

[lime meteor]

every enemy is 5x weaker in crit weakness tho

[coral pond]

my crew had enough nitra for a shit ton of resupplies so the dreadnought and rival presence shit wasn't really an issue. Not to mention just crit weakness and a bunkie making everything past the uplink a joke

[feral oar]

played with randoms so they disregarded any sort of investment

[coral pond]

oofed

[feral oar]

used up all the nitra every round

[lime meteor]

usually randoms like this guy just cheese the DD

[feral oar]

what even is a DD

[lime meteor]

Deep dive lol

[feral oar]

oh

not good with acronyms

[coral pond]

really only cheesed stage 3 of the edd, normal dd wasn't bad and stage 1 of the edd wasn't horrible either. Stage 2 was the worst of it

[wraith kraken]

Soon

[sly kettle]

Soon™ indeed.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[wraith kraken]

[languid rune]

me hurriedly playing the Deep Dives because I forgot

[wraith kraken]

Get dem cores

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone. Remember to restart your games.

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Eternal Anvil
Stage 1: 2 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | Volatile Guts Mactera Plague
Stage 2: Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite | Swarmageddon
Stage 3: Protect the Drilldozer + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Brave Sleep
Stage 1: 4 Eggs + Dreadnought Hiveguard | Rival Presence
Stage 2: Recover Data Rack + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Lethal Enemies

[sly kettle]

Doesn't look to bad, so far.

It'd be hilarious if there was another week of Low Oxygen Point Extraction.

[gusty grotto]

i will cry if that happens

[cobalt moat]

📸

[languid rune]

well, looks like I got screwed. first stage of the EDD had zero nitra and 4 spitballers

just the thing you need when you're out of ammo

[topaz plank]

Do you know what dreadnought it is?

[languid rune]

sorry, I meant last week's

[topaz plank]

Np

[cobalt moat]

Hiveguard EDD Stage 1

[topaz plank]

Oh great

Interesting DD so far...

[gusty grotto]

EDD 2nd stage - Recover 1 Data rack + Collect 150 morkite + low oxygen

[cobalt moat]

[topaz plank]

And there goes my plan on doing the edd solo

[sly kettle]

Yeesh.

[topaz plank]

At least its staying true to its name i guess...

[frail charm]

DD stage 2:
refine liquid morkite
collect 150 morkite

swarmaggedon

[topaz plank]

A bit late buddy...

[solid haven]

EED 3rd stage?

[topaz plank]

Death probably

[solid haven]

Time to bring my engi's fatboy on EDD stage 2

[frail charm]

oh we already have DD?

[spare verge]

what do ya'll reckon drillers should do during sabotages

[wraith shard]

Full heat flamethrower and overheat bots to death

[cobalt moat]

drop c4s on the caretaker from above

[topaz plank]

Flamethrowers are basically insta kills on bots

[spare verge]

there's only 3-4 C4s at a time though

[wraith shard]

If you land it right, still a good chunk of damage to multiple vents at once

[solid haven]

I prefer armskore with hellfire oc, very long range kill on turrets

[spare verge]

magma core + haz 5 + sabotage + low oxygen = god hates us

[topaz plank]

Hopefully the cave gen is merciful today

[serene stratus]

At least it's not the last task

[cobalt moat]

Yup

[waxen terrace]

EDD stage 3: 3 mules + 2 eggs low gravity & lethal enemies

[cobalt moat]

[sly kettle]

That looks absolutely painful.

[spare verge]

there's low grav so it shouldn't be too painful

[waxen terrace]

there's also a bet c for your trying times

[spare verge]

is the bet-c a guarantee? or randomly generated

[wraith shard]

Should be randomly generated

[waxen terrace]

DD and EDD betcs are guaranteed afaik

[spare verge]

no i mean chromekat got it, does that mean all of us will have it to as in it's tied to map generation

[waxen terrace]

idk if you specifically need to get the betc

[wraith shard]

I recall getting a bet-c on one attempt and not in another in last week's EDD

We could also just wait for someone else to confirm if there is a Bet-C so 🤷‍♂️

[waxen terrace]

you can defo skip some betcs if rng allows it

[gusty grotto]

can confirm this is true. im on the 3rd stage now

[wraith shard]

Any signs of a Bet-C ?

[gusty grotto]

lets see

[waxen terrace]

if you really wanna know, im watching a japanese dude stream the edd

[wraith shard]

Doesn't this EDD look fun

[wraith shard]

Oh yeah for that bit I don't think they are related to objectives so you can just skip them

[waxen terrace]

they arent

[wraith shard]

Altho I tend to clear them out anyways if they are near

[spare verge]

yeah bet-c is optional

i like the extra firepower though

[waxen terrace]

betc is usually if "is it blocking your objective?"

[gusty grotto]

i did not get a betc on 3rd stage

[waxen terrace]

betc also can friendly fire btw

ok cool

and i semi-dislike a bet c in salvage cause she shoots into you

[spare verge]

ok so dd edd are not entirely the same for everyone got it

[waxen terrace]

the terrain generation is the same still

[spare verge]

yeah the bug spawn table is still randomized

i thought bet-c is tied to the map generation same as crassus and korlok though

[gusty grotto]

just finished the EDD

you need a good team

1st stage is easy, 2nd stage is tough, 3rd stage is very easy to die on if you zone out, but if you got a good team the 3rd stage is a breeze

fuel cell on stage 3 decides to drop into a tunnel underneath the drop pod so you either bunker or clear out an area with driller or his c4.

[cobalt moat]

i haven't heard any betcs in stage 3 so far in edd

[gusty grotto]

i didnt get one

pretty sure betc is not tied to level seed

[waxen terrace]

c4 in magma tho

[gusty grotto]

I was eng so I just placed plats over the magma

and the driller on my team placed the c4 on the ceiling and not the ground so didnt need to do that much platting

[wraith kraken]

You better not leave dorry behind

[waxen terrace]

i dumped her in a ditch cope

[gusty grotto]

this was EDD stage 3, I didnt do the DD

il do DD later

[wraith kraken]

[gusty grotto]

il make sure to dig a hole 50 m down throw dotty in, throw a c4 on her and then get eng to plug the hole up with his plats

[wraith kraken]

Why you do this

[wraith shard]

bury the evidence

[gusty grotto]

because ive been killed by driller c4 so many times as scout that I need to let off some steam

[serene stratus]

Man, can't just NTP cheese this EDD can I

[gusty grotto]

cheesing the 1st stage of caretaker in EDD with driller c4 is needed

[waxen terrace]

thats why you bring hurricane

[serene stratus]

I only use Hurricane with JFHB to shred dreads

[fast stratus]

Hurricane is nice with frag missiles or overclocked firing

(Thunderhead but better)

[wheat stone]

how do u do that ?

[modest ivy]

engie platforms over the caretaker. driller drops c4 directly on the center of caretaker

[gusty grotto]

you gotta get above the caretaker and drop c4 right in the middle. If you got maxed out dmg c4 it will 1 shot the 1st stage if you are playing with 1-2 people and nearly 1 shot it with 3-4 players. Based on haz 5

[wheat stone]

it always amazes me how much i don’t know about this game

[cobalt moat]

You can do the same tactic with nukes as well

[gusty grotto]

thats the beauty of this game, so many strategies

[wheat stone]

indeed

[unkempt saffron]

Low o2 sabo? What the fack

[hazy lily]

Well this edd looks like it's going to suck

[subtle burrow]

it really does 😄

[hazy lily]

What is it with stage 2 and being low o2

[wraith shard]

2

[serene stratus]

I think this week's EDD might be one of those "Yeah that's not happening" moments

[wraith kraken]

Sabotage is always pain

[swift nova]

It was kinda a breeze for us

Bunkie just outside repulsor distance

[serene stratus]

Any team I go with ends up running out of nitras

[wraith shard]

^

[cobalt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[wraith shard]

a hard edd?!?!

[cobalt moat]

yes finally 😄

[wraith shard]

did the EDD first try!

[elder cliff]

Sheeesshh

Good job

[wraith shard]

wouldn't have been possible if not for my good teammates

[serene stratus]

I really don't like this EDD

[orchid heart]

Just gotta twork on em.

[serene stratus]

Honestly I'm considering dropping IW for Field Medic just for the 2nd stage

[latent raft]

theyre both great just depends on your situation

[limpid pond]

Actually hard looking EDD, same time as the new seasonal event? Zamn

[past drum]

piss easy dives

[gray panther]

What is this, week 3 with an EDD second stage with low ox?

[raw cloud]

I love low oxygen!

yay!

[sage solar]

Low o2 is pretty manageable

Just hope the 3 other dwarfs aren’t so green they don’t ration the resupply pods for o2

[unkempt saffron]

Honestly while stage 2 was challenging in itself there was enough nitra to go around, stage 3 on the other hand

[sage solar]

Haven’t cleared or started the DD and the EDD on the first day like I usually do

The event missions are quite long with 6 stages

[unkempt saffron]

Honestly this edd is tough but theres no bs besides the caretaker i guess

And the nemmy if it spawns on stage 1

[sage solar]

Eh caretakers are pretty easy

But the ammo drain

There better be nitra

[sage solar]

You’d think they’d give it guns

It’s only projectile weapon is so slow

[unkempt saffron]

eh fuck that, the nemmy should rot in a scrapyard

[severe tusk]

I endorse mounting a couple of laser cannons on Nemesis's back.

[cinder sandal]

Are deep dives hard this week?

I'm hoping to play with my brother who's about to get his first promotion.

He's an Engi

[hot ruin]

no

[raven niche]

the edd wasnt so bad honestly

tons of nitra on stage 2

[wraith shard]

somehow easier than last week

[wraith shard]

Plus theoretically you could make “bunker tunnels” to safely refill your O2 during caretaker fight

Actually nevermind, the arms could skewer you

Though I am honestly getting a little tired of seeing low o2 warnings

[severe tusk]

It is my least favorite mod since I like to wander off by myself.

[weak geode]

can you join midway through a deep dive?

[balmy stone]

Nope

You can rejoin if your team’s on the same stage

[frail charm]

mission control just put the fuel cells on the stage 3 EDD at a little cave below us #drg-gallery message

though it was a nice corner cave so not all bad

[unkempt saffron]

Its debatably easier to defend, you can try funnelling bugs through one way but youre gonna need a fair amount of plats to do that

[frail charm]

that's what i ended up doing, i blocked up one side to turn it into a one way

[wraith shard]

https://imgur.com/QXpr5Un was actually alot less cancer than i originally thought

magma core always sucks tho

worst biome in the game and it's not even close

WAIT i just noticed, deep dives don't give you the stay in a mission for an hr achievement?

[balmy stone]

Nah hollow bough is the worst

Stage 2 was rough

[lusty shuttle]

Glacial strata is the worst.

[main jay]

eh. i was doing great solo scout. 0 downs until fuel on stage 3 and due to rng it became completely impossible to complete. so. i would call that bs

[unkempt saffron]

Im not so sure about that since i played with a team, but linking the fuel cell to the drop pod wasnt too bad since its only 1 cave below

[main jay]

i didnt say linking it was hard

[unkempt saffron]

The spawns?

[verbal pewter]

Low Oxy Sabotage

[main jay]

it got jammed in a crampt corner

and i could not do anything

bunch of pretorians and oppresors spawned too

[unkempt saffron]

If thats the case then yeah its somewhat claustrophobic, engi or driller would be better since engi can cover up certain routes or driller can open up the area even more

[main jay]

there was nothing i could do. shoulda seen it it was like the game was giving me a middle finger

[wraith shard]

hollow bough is fine lol

[balmy stone]

My fuel cell spawned in a pretty bad place too thank god for low grav

[swift mural]

friend and i called down like 9 supply drops on stage 3 of the normal deep dive. decent week to do it as a first, shit ton of nitra

[glossy walrus]

meanwhile ours spawned somewhat out in the open in a little depression below the drop pod

we were double gunner too so the moment we reached stage3 it no longer mattered since we could just chain shield everything

[balmy stone]

My instinct was to c4 it but that woulda messed up everyone trying to regen shields so I had to drill out as much stuff as possible that bugs could walk down

[cinder sandal]

Thanks for the help.

[balmy stone]

Stage 2 is the hardest cause the arena has little to no walkable floor after a certain point

Bring an engi

[fallen cape]

I think that normal deep dives get easier the deeper you go

[unkempt saffron]

Regular dives are just easy, thats all

They only cap out at haz 3.5

[trail pivot]

ughhh

betc showed up first stage dd

engi ditched in the first five minutes

dc second stage

took like 5 minutes to start the refinery after the pipes were finished

[wraith kraken]

Oh no

[fallen cape]

Trolled

[trail pivot]

i'll just host it myself in the morning

[hollow crypt]

oh nice, this weeks EDD looks spicy

[grave narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzaBg8Nd2U

[hollow citrus]

jesus christ had to carry 2 newbs through EDD

23 and 33 downs respectively for them

0 game sense I swear

tell them don't rush stage 3, pulls 2 eggs and immediately go down during swarm, nearly wiping the team

1h 30 mins of pure torture I swear

[limpid pond]

Yeah, that's DD randos for ya

[hollow citrus]

I usually pug and it's fine, but this time these 2 were really pushing the limits of my patience

[mortal cliff]

Pubs are ok but I don't play DD/EDD with anyone below 50 player rank. General they don't have experience and OCs

[lime meteor]

level 49:

[wraith shard]

they're not (just) newbies, they're also an additional difficulty modifier

[limpid pond]

This is a complaint I have about the Overclock system: People who clearly aren't Haz 5 or even 4 ready being forced to do EDDs so they're not forced to be behind on the mandatory 4 month time gate

Sure, game's not hard, and they have to learn eventually or whatever, but reviving 3 Bronze Is 40 times because they can't stay alive longer than 10 seconds isn't fun either

And I think the "greybeards must teach greenbeards" culture sweeps this issue under the rug

[raw cloud]

And I like to think that IM bad

I’m only rank 60 something and I didn’t even have 10 downs this weeks edd

did it first try too

and with a shitty build

did it first try too I am very proud

of me and my teammates of course

[vale vigil]

Oh my god when the crack opened up and swallowed the supply pod 😂

[grave narwhal]

lmao...that was a big scare. Thanks a lot for watching the video. 🙂

[vale vigil]

It was pretty fun! Watching people play the class I am trying to be decent at is helpful

I just did the one stage. I tried second and it did NOT go well

[grave narwhal]

I'm glad you found the vid helpful. I hear you...I used to struggle with the caretaker ALL the damn time. That's a tough nut to crack.

[grave narwhal]

Maybe try again with a different loadout? Try taking the shard diffractor, if you didn't already.

[vale vigil]

Yeah I was using the breach cutter and the lok1 with the... chemical explosive rounds? Not sure what the name is

I actually haven't unlocked the stubby because I thought it looked dumb. Don't yell at me 👀

and been liking the breach cutter so much I didn't get around to shard difractor yet. Trying to farm up some of the resources to buy perks for it now

[grave narwhal]

hahaha that's totally cool.

[grave narwhal]

cool...but do give the diffractor a shot when you feel like it. 🙂

[vale vigil]

Yeah I'm absolutely going to. You made both of them look good, the diffractor for the caretaker in particular

[grim glacier]

how bad is EDD this week? looks unpleasant

[wraith shard]

solo'd it personally, didn't seem that bad

[shut plover]

low oxygen is annoying as per usual but everything else was fine imo

[worldly turtle]

Can't wait to try these tonight

[unkempt saffron]

maybe elites should be locked behind some sort of additional assignment which includes completing missions on haz 5?

[echo storm]

if they made the edd doable after u did the haz 5 assignment on top of doing a dd it would filter out more people

[limpid pond]

Tbh I think they should take away the extrinsic reward from EDDs entirely, or at least make it so getting OCs is reasonable without them. This just seems like a band-aid fix that doesn't address the real problem

[echo storm]

idk if all u do is play weeklies u are playin the game for under 5 hours which aint too bad

of course when promos and events come up it increases a tad bit

although i will say before rank 100 i was playin it a lot cause there were so many assignments to do

[severe tusk]

I am sure people are enjoying the the Weekly Core Hunt bug right now that refreshes it upon promotion, assuming they didn't patch it this week. Honestly, they could just leave it like that, and it would solve a lot of the problems with OCs taking too long to get.

[trail pivot]

after ten+ patches?

that's a feature now

[echo storm]

actually yeah if every time you promoted someone you got a core hunt assignment that would be cool

[severe tusk]

That's how it is the last time I promoted--maybe 5 days ago.

[limpid pond]

Oh, right, that's a thing

So what, that's anywhere from x2 to x5 Core Hunt loot weekly practically speaking?

[trail pivot]

for power players

[limpid pond]

I guess it always refreshing on promote means EXP grinding lets you churn them out. Just farm a 1/1 Double EXP Egg Hunt all day long and get your Weapon OCs in less than 4 months. OCs are still given at complete random and using BMCs is reliant on finding Machine Events that may or may not spawn, but it's better I guess?

[severe tusk]

It still benefits more casual players too though, so it seems like a good feature, not to mention it would be nice if there were some reward for promoting, instead of just being a resource sink that gives you a badge upgrade and advances your player level but does nothing else.

[trail pivot]

speaking of, 2x xp haunted egg hunt rn

[limpid pond]

The problem is it's a bug and I have an inkling they're going to fix it because it "affects progression in an unintended manner" given their bullshit "Some choice is better than none" total joke of a "fix" for OCs in S2

[trail pivot]

Their stream response

this indicates it's a bit more compelx

you'd think the bug that flies in the face of their progression philosophy would elicit more of a response

after 10+ patches and two events

[limpid pond]

Citation?

[trail pivot]

a screencap in #suggestion-discussion a couple days ago

[severe tusk]

I am guessing that most people who have played DRG never even got to the point where they got a weapon OC. Maybe if they gave a few of them before promoting it would retain the player base a bit better, not that the game is suffering from a lack of players currently--but still.

[trail pivot]

and it has been more than a month

[limpid pond]

Found it, thanks

[trail pivot]

it's lsited on the wiki under the q&a section

if you control +f 'core hunt' that seems official

either the dev team is mixed about the bug, or they really are that busy, and the convenient boost in consistent playtime doesn't bother them.

oh lootbug boss in the future tho

no response on shallow grotto dives.

[limpid pond]

Could be a "feature" like buff beers applying twice, could end up getting removed like the Core Hunt abortion bug

[severe tusk]

I still want the "something worse" mission control alludes to dreads turning into at the start of elimination missions. An ultra glyphid boss mission would be cool.

[glossy walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915591328132390952/1047132867517489222/IMG_0127.png

one of them posted this about it in the playstation channel

[limpid pond]

Shout out to Amanda from QA
Gotta be one of my favorite devs

[trail pivot]

make that meme

[limpid pond]

Too low effort for my tastes

Do have to question why if they truly don't care how an individual progresses, why they turn off achievements for Approved mods and intended OCs to be capped at 9 a week

[trail pivot]

are achievements progress?

Car Pool for instance?

[limpid pond]

Enough to be removed when modding apparently

[echo storm]

idk gives a nice reason to keep playin

if u dont play a lot its quite easy to get a bunch of blank cores

[frail patrol]

whats wrong with rewarding additional weekly progress to those willing to push themselves with harder missions?

[vale vigil]

Agree re: achievements. There's some mods I'd love to use but I like having achievements as something to work towards so I can't even though they'd make me enjoy the game more. For instance I really dislike the amount of lighting you have access to as a non-scout solo player.

[limpid pond]

What's good about being behind on a time gated progression system if you're not skilled enough, or simply don't want to make the game harder?

[vale vigil]

I also don't feel quite ready to do everything on hazard 4 but hazard 3 is a bit too easy. If I could mod hazard 3.5 without any additional rewards over 3, I'd love to do that too.

[frail patrol]

The blank core is given first, which is arguably the most valuable, so even if you can't make it through all 3 missions you get what you need for progression from the first one or 2 (stage 3 cosmetics are meh) Then you can just do normal missions for your machine events

This is coming from my own exp only running haz3, then pushing out of the comfort zone. I cant speak for others but it feels rewarding improving as a player. (and running haz5 all the time is sick for that 1.3x reward multiplier)

[mystic condor]

as someone who firmly belives in a "sink or swim" mindset, as soon as haz 5 became available to me i dove head first into it and failed as many times as it took to get it right

[junior pendant]

Just did EDD. At Stage 3 when the Drop pod was fueling up and there was under a minute till it launches, an exploder messed me up and ruined the mission :(

[twin cape]

lmao exact same thing just happened to me died just before the end on the third stage

[normal oasis]

do you need to uplink? on edd stage 3?

[twin cape]

yeah salvage operation

[queen ember]

are there elfs in deep dives?

[mortal cliff]

no

[spring elm]

I am throwing it out there, If they patch the promotion core hunt "bug" I am not playing Deep Rock anymore because then there's literally nothing to do games got serious retention problems with new players because the tutorials horrible I didn't know what I was actually doing properly until at least 10 hours in maybe even 50 a lot of people have talked about this, and then after level 100 there games kind of dead no more cool stuff to work towards after Scale Brigade and the only thing you get besides 3 Weekly core hunt missions is the Promotion Grind which is Eight Missions from promotion assignments to Core Hunt reset 20 minutes plus per mission which is three hours for three cores, and the promotion assignment missions don't even give you any rewards credits or otherwise

They should just Can the Promotion Assignment all together and give you a Core Hunt after the first promotion or patch the Core Hunt reset and make Cores apart of the promotion assignment rewards

[unkempt saffron]

If you cant find fun in the gameplay itself (since you brought up theres nothing to play towards to after level 100) then maybe the game might not be for you or that youre simply burnt out?

[spring elm]

I don't hate the game, I just want it to suck less because I am one of the new players that plays the daylights out of it, I got hundreds of hours and only started playing in November

That's just a poor response, So what level are you and how many hours a week do you play? Because that's does matter there shouldn't be nothing to do just because some one plays the game too much, so I play the game nearly 100 hours a week so its fun right, its not that, but the gameplay being fun doesn't fill the empty void of not having anything to really do there's no reason for me to play anymore were not going to add anything to do because its not for you like what kind of response is that

[languid rune]

no offense but playing this game for nearly 100 hours a week is not even remotely healthy

[spring elm]

Its not lol

[languid rune]

if there's nothing for you to do it's time to take a step back so it's fresh when you want to play it again

it's not meant to cater to someone who plays that much

[unkempt saffron]

Even then if you play a game for that much time its a guarantee burn out

[spring elm]

I am just saying there is clearly a reason only %2 of people make it to Gold promotion people are not sticking around or playing the game as much as others

[unkempt saffron]

Because the time it takes to promo characters can be long and people simply dont have the time to do it?

Its not that indicative of how many players stick around after buying it imo

[spring elm]

Its not even that hard, a guy on Youtube made a list of things that could be added that would make the game more enjoyable to play in the long run like having a gold pile in the hanger to spend credits on

[unkempt saffron]

A gold pile? Just a gold pile?

You do know how long it takes to achieve all the content in the game right?

[spring elm]

1000 hours at least

[unkempt saffron]

Exactly, and you dont spend all those hours in the span of a month, its usually a year or two of regular playtime

Youre approaching drg like a cow and milking it of everything in such a short timeframe, take a break and play the game maybe once a week, slow down a bit

[coral pond]

so what does this all have to do with deep dives?

[spring elm]

I am not here to bitch, like the game needs more content but I got patience. I am a 3D Artist I know how long $hit takes to develop

[unkempt saffron]

At this point its basically #drg-chat 2.0

[languid rune]

I don't think it needs more content at all...it's pretty full of content as-is and they just added quite a bit more with S3

[spring elm]

Just some one mentioned the glitch and it turned into a friendly argument lol, I have never completed an Elite Deep Dive with out getting team wiped

[unkempt saffron]

The game has tons of content already, in the span of a year we got so much new content that they need to take a step back and actually look back at the additions theyve made, some are in dire need of changes and improvements

[spring elm]

Cough Cough drop pod landing zones needs an overhaul

[warped ore]

[unkempt saffron]

Thats not even a major concern imo, rarely have i ever seen bs drop pods, what needs major work however are some of the new weapons like the microwave, coilgun, lok1 etc.

[spring elm]

Fix the drop pods spawning in walls or in the ceiling on an island, and a gold pile or jem pile to dump my credits into to make it slightly bigger like a cookie clicker and ill be happy

[unkempt saffron]

A gold pile is honestly unnecessary, just tip lloyd more or something

[spring elm]

I am going to go before I flood the chat with anymore off topic nonsense, but again as some one who plays a stupid amount of hours the drop pod thing happens way more than you think it does

I usually laugh it off and we make it out, but its still really bad and almost game ending for newer people like I am talking dead ass Drop Pod landed on a tiny island in the ceiling with no path to it and the ramp is 50 feet in the air off the ground it happens

[unkempt saffron]

Id disagree, the last i saw a bs drop pod was in the edd for stage 2, which was 2 weeks ago, thats about it

There can be bad drop pods no doubt, but i dont know if its a major concern atm

[coral pond]

loki feels like shit to use honestly fix the vaulting mechanic before anything, that's fucked me more than helped 99% of the time

[fallow spear]

I didn't check this week's EDD and picked cyro driller and I'm having a bad time

[unkempt saffron]

Shouldve gone with crspr and er subaru

Or sludge with hh epc

[fallow spear]

how could I have known lmao

I told my team I was totally useless stage 2 and it would be best to start over, they didn't believe me and we failed 20 minutes later xD

[unkempt saffron]

Actually since youre already in here, pinned messages

Unless if you prefer to go into an edd blind

[fallow spear]

I prefer to go into it blind

but not anymore lmao

[wraith shard]

I’ve gone into the last 2 edd’s blind and gotten my ass kicked with subpar loadouts

Barely managed to get through solo, but it was rough

[fallow spear]

this is the first time i've failed EDD for a very long time

it's also cuz i'm playing with a lower lvl friend who's not as proficient at the game yet

[wraith shard]

Stage 2 was a huge hurdle for me this week. Low O2 with robots sucks.

[fallow spear]

anyone having issues with the dreadnought not spawning the babies

it's been 10 minutes

[coral pond]

hiveguard likes to be a bitch sometimes, i've had delayed spawns from it before but not 10 minutes

[fallow spear]

we've been chased for 10 minutes lmao

i think we got softlocked

we had to abort :/

[wraith shard]

I usually bonk her on the head with a couple pickaxe swings and that fixes it

[fallow spear]

i did that hahah

we also looked around the entire cave for the babies but nope

[wraith shard]

At least it’s stage 1. That’s rough though

[pseudo radish]

i've had this before but the hiveguard as so broken that they wouldn't call the minions, pathfind or attack us

[fallow spear]

it would still attack us, just following us around the cave and sometimes the pathfind would be weird af where it just goes off to narnia

[pseudo radish]

sounds like normal hiveguard pathfinding

[fallow spear]

yeah lol

[short bloom]

what are the deep dives this week ? where can we see it ?

[short bloom]

just me marking this for future reference

[unkempt saffron]

its in pinned bruv

[short bloom]

I tried the pinned messages but I only get one from 2021

wait, is the date wrong and we edit the same one ?

yeah, ok, thanks 🙂

[grizzled pawn]

I mean technically its 3 missions

So it doesnt surprise me

[mortal cliff]

Compleated EDD in a Scout-Engi- Gunnerx2 setup within 42 minutes

Second stage is not that hard, you just need to use Resupply Pods as O2 pods

[unkempt saffron]

Well that is the ideal way to do things in o2, wouldnt want to rely on unreliable molly

[mortal cliff]

Every week I see people complaining how hard the EDDs are and how the pubs are a lottery- never have had a problem with them

Might be just my luck

[tribal sandal]

u surethat was what you wanted to send

[robust saffron]

What’s this weeks EDD like? Soloable?

[lofty parrot]

The edd was rough. Stage one and three were fine. Stage two our driller was completely useless and the scout was doing god knows what. Felt like it was just me and the gunner fighting it.

[cinder sandal]

Yes it is very hard this week.

[fallow spear]

It went well when I wasn't cryo driller, this is kinda putting me off from playing cryo driller for a while...

In EDD and DD I mean lol

[cinder sandal]

Yeah, only three guys went, including me, and we had no scout. So our nitra was always low, dooming ourselves from the beginning.

[patent lynx]

As driller should I play pump?

[fallow spear]

I went crispr with explosive reload subata

[patent lynx]

Ok thx

[fallow spear]

Just don’t go cryo and you’ll be fine haha

[woeful niche]

you can go cryo if u want

but it’ll be pretty bad unless you bring ice storm

[mortal cliff]

To be honest this week's EDD doesnt require driller

Go 2 gunners instead

[gaunt plover]

I went cryo and it wasn't too bad, ice spear does wonders on stuff you can't freeze

Honestly the worst thing is the earthquakes that stop you from moving, those kill me more than anything else

[fallow spear]

I went in blind with tuned cooler n microwave and did not have a good time lol

[woeful niche]

ew no

[glossy walrus]

going in blind is more dangerous than ever now that IS is in the rotation, since that wants a more specialized build than any other type

driller can always c4 the vents no matter the build so that's something, but it's not hard for him to not be very useful against eyes and have to rely on the team for that

[wintry aspen]

this weeks EDD

was awful lol

I have never seen the Caretaker spam so much bombs

[trail pivot]

Low oxygen sabotage... uggghhh

Low gravity salvage aarrgh

[thorny geyser]

we were saved by iron will in the second stage, bomb spam and low o2 is a doozy

[white osprey]

is the caretaker spawning appendages on us a bug or a feature btw? lol

we duo'd and my buddy went down and i somehow had to rez him amid 2 appendages on his body and a boatload of bombs

[thorny geyser]

appendages can spawn quite a distance away

[white osprey]

okay, i was never sure if that was intended or not

[limpid pond]

They start spawning in the ground if you don't kill the ones attached to the Caretaker

[thorny geyser]

there should always be someone taking out the appendages

[coral pond]

just power attack them when they stab at you

[humble sage]

I had a bit of lag so the appendage would look at me and 1-hit KO me 😦

it was rough, but we got it

[trail pivot]

How much space does the caretaker need to spawn those tentacles?

Usually by the time i see these, we're definitely losing

[hoary rover]

Fun fact! The 2 in "Stage 2" refers to O2, which you will not have.

This is the 3rd week with a low O2 warning for the EDD stage 2 😭

[wraith shard]

The trend should continue with refinery low o2 next week

[glass bone]

just had a lobby where I was the only one with iron will

feels bad

[tribal sandal]

Feels worse when 3 ppl pop iron will the second the last person dies

[verbal pewter]

Had ABSOLUTE faith in my friends for the EDD to the point where I didn’t play my main just because there where specific parts only I could do

by god they delivered and I could not be happier

[buoyant gust]

That EDD stage 2 is just not fun

Always at least 5 things going on at once and trying to handle any of them results in getting stomped by the other 4

Doesn't help that we had our gunner leave on both our attempts

Shields prolly would've helped

[gritty dagger]

lfg pod 12 greenbeards welcome just basic assignments

[pulsar kernel]

Is it really another low 02 for the elite stage 2...

[white osprey]

the low o2 didn't really affect our mission this time as long as you try to stick together

stage 2 also had alot of nitra if i remember correctly

[robust saffron]

What are this weeks EDD missions?

[hollow junco]

should say in the pinned message

[robust saffron]

Oh ok, thanks 🙏

Geez, low oxygen Caretaker in Magma Core doesn’t look fun

[humble sage]

Stage 2 definitely would benefit from coordinating using the gunner's shield. My group did not coordinate. I felt bad for them. I was the gunner

[humble sage]

Not fun.

[trim falcon]

the two times ive done an EDD with a full group, one guy starts the hiveguard before we've even taken care of all the rivals, leading to our team almost wiping for the next 5 minutes

that 2nd stage is BRUTAL

[river pawn]

THIS FUCKING SUCKED

FUCK sabo in DDs

[humble sage]

first time i'd seen a sabo in any dd (I took a long break and returned recently). Naively thought we only had to hook up the 2 generators 😅 since that's what the mission said at first. I hate sabotage, I genuinely do. I think 65% of the hatred is the stupid tentacles.

[sly vapor]

you are sentenced to azure weald dd with salvage, sabotage and escort

[fresh cloud]

Eyyo, anything i should know before doing the EDD this week?

[humble sage]

get your rage out before you start the EDD

[fresh cloud]

another hard one?

please tell me no sabotage this time

[humble sage]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[fresh cloud]

[fresh cloud]

what are the other stages

[trail bone]

That low O2 sabotage this week

Harsh

Failed it twice then aced the third time, no idea what was different

[trail bone]

Just read the pinned message

It’s updated every week

[fresh cloud]

ah i see

Dread, Data AND lethal third stage

i understand now

[fresh cloud]

Ty friendo

[coral pond]

Idk if this is a hot take but imo hiveguard is the easiest of the dreads

He's just really, really annoying

[fresh cloud]

Easy ,sure i give you that, but it eats ammo

[hoary rover]

It isn't, there are exploding shrooms EVERYWHERE, with the power stations within throwing range of the Caretaker itself, so by the time you're done with one, you've probably already scarred up half of the caretaker arena.

[sturdy citrus]

Completed my first ever EDD, what a week to start! Overall I had fun (and some great greybeards to help)

[weak venture]

The EDD was not enjoyable at all
Frick all the Chipdamage from Shredders, Swarmers and broken floor from anything

[fresh cloud]

magma core EDD always fun

[lyric hedge]

What damn sadist came up with this EDD

[trail pivot]

Rng

The consequence of sabotage

[pseudo radish]

i know you guys said DD would have a lot of nitra but jesus that was a lot

6 unused resupplys

[elfin rose]

person who thought this week's EDD was normal better be counting his days

[half canopy]

Yeah failed twice, given up

[lime meteor]

I mean last stage is the only thing

Caretaker wasn't bad for me I just needed to setup oxygen dedicated resupplies

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[glossy walrus]

last stage is easy since it has low grav, low grav is one of the biggest difficulty reducing mods in the game

even if lethal enemies is there, it doesn't matter if they can't hit a bunny hopping dwarf

stage2 is much more effort due to being haz5 caretaker in general, and on magma terrain no less. didn't find low o2 on it that big of a deal since you want resupply positions anyway, and tons of nitra

[serene stratus]

I think I'll give the EDD one more session tomorrow, if that doesn't cut it I'm giving up

[spring cobalt]

god stage 2 of the EDD was a nightmare

none of my team had good single target DPS

haz 5 caretaker with low O2 and a neurotoxin autocannon was not ideal

[glossy walrus]

yeah that hurts a lot. I was running a standard ntp setup but my buddy ran an anti-caretaker lsls setup, and he basically did all the damage

I just added occasional shields

[spring cobalt]

forunately i had my coilgun with triple tech so i could at least do some amount of burst damage

stage 2 took like 45 minutes

in the end we did complete it first try though so it couldve been a lot worse

90 minute EDD definitely isnt setting any speed records though

[glossy walrus]

I had brt so was helping a bit, but in general it was all him with lsls

we were playing on the easiest mode though due to being 2p, so not as bad as otherwise could be

think our time ended up relatively similar, def one of the longer ones

[lime meteor]

I think critical weakness reduces it more. It functionally makes all the enemies 5x weaker

[glossy walrus]

I did say one of

that one's the other big candidate for #1

one lets you murder things fast, one lets you easily avoid being murdered yourself, would say it varies depending on situation which one is nicer

[hollow path]

can you farm matrix cores off of deep dives you've already completed?

[feral grove]

Nope!

[hollow path]

gotcha

thanks

[lapis ginkgo]

I swear there was 50 turrets on stage 2 of EDD

[latent kite]

Anyone beaten the EDD?

[spring cobalt]

yeah

bring single target DPS

[knotty tide]

barely

[spring cobalt]

its a rival presence mission followed by an industrial sabotage

all the other stuff is simple enough

[jagged plaza]

So, bring fire?

[spring cobalt]

fire sucks against teh caretaker but sure

[jagged plaza]

Oh forgot about the caretaker, fuck.

[spring cobalt]

more importantly dont bring neurotoxin

i brought a neurotoxin autocannon

[jagged plaza]

Yeah, looks like no magic bullets for me.

[spring cobalt]

it was very unpleasant

caretaker fight took forever

[glossy walrus]

magic bullets is fine as long as your primary does good ST damage

and gunner can do that with all 3 of his primaries

[spring cobalt]

minigun is the best choice for gunner in this EDD

autocannon and rockets cant compare

big bertha autocannon is probably fine but not everyone has that

[jagged plaza]

Minigun is usually best vs caretaker

[glossy walrus]

without ocs sure, but with ocs I'd expect bb ac and jfh hurricane to do perfectly fine

[jagged plaza]

True

[spring cobalt]

hurricane is just so sluggish

[jagged plaza]

Gonna use leadstorm or burning hell, personally.

[spring cobalt]

gets countered super hard by shields

[jagged plaza]

True, but that's why I use a powerful secondary.

[glossy walrus]

if you're building it for caretaker and to be paired with magic bullets, you'd usually be using jfh and it's by far the fastest of any of the missile builds, so not even that much worse against shields than the other primaries

personally I'd probably also use lsls because I don't mind bunnyhopping, but jfh is a legit option

[woeful niche]

jet fuel is very good for caretaker

i think autocannon is by far the worst weapon for fighting caretaker

[polar raven]

The cryo cannon would beg to differ

[woeful niche]

at least cryo has ice storm

autocannon has big bertha but it’s still pretty inaccurate for the vents

[glossy walrus]

always the option of going the scout route and ziplining ontop of the caretaker, then shooting the vents from point blank

[hollow path]

what modifiers does this week's EDD have

[mortal cliff]

check pinned messages

[livid merlin]

Awww yeaaaa third stage no mods, easy pickings

[livid merlin]

I LIED
WE AIN'T IN HAZ2 ANYMORE, TOTO

[atomic prawn]

Bless the rains down in fungus bogs

[glacial pasture]

hi, does the elf spawn in deep dives?!

[woeful niche]

pretty sure not

[glacial pasture]

ty brother!

[hazy hatch]

That EDD was not as cursed as my friends led me to believe

[turbid sentinel]

What's a good engine load out for general purpose deep dives?

[spring cobalt]

most things probably work fine

just use whatever you are most comfortable with

[turbid sentinel]

Ok thx

[hazy lily]

heavily dependant on how good your team is vs sabo missions

Low o2 sabo is a big suck

[lapis ginkgo]

the Hellfire Coil Gun will one shot any turret

great for dealing with sniper turrets, specially during the Caretaker fight

[torn verge]

stubby - EM discharge - 21122, shard diffractor - VIR - 31211, lure, turrets - 1221, repellent plats
this is my go-to when i need to hard carry an EDD with a bunch of randoms

[rugged jolt]

This week’s deep dive is the hardest

We were on the second stage, took an hour, still died

Me and the boys were digging foxholes underground, got stabbed by tendrils instead. Then ran out of ammo

I should’ve brought lok1 instead of stubby

[woeful niche]

don’t go away from the caretaker unless you want more tentacles to spawn

[burnt sandal]

it's the same 4 tentacles, it doesn't spawn more, they just move around on the last phase

[woeful niche]

huh i never noticed that

[wraith kraken]

They burrow into the ground and emerge near you when you are far away or hiding

[trim falcon]

maybe ill get those 2 overclocks next week...this EDD is nuts

[upper harness]

On EDD stage two once two people go down around the second/third phase of caretaker the mf would just spam bombs continuously on the survivors

Unfortunate, but watching the last dude continuously running away with no rest is funny.

[trim falcon]

yeah its messed up

if you dont have a competent gunner/scout its basically a wash

and shield doesnt work against the arms melee attack so...yeah

good luck reviving

[brisk spear]

shield prevents tentacles from meleeing you

[trim falcon]

i have been meleed by them inside a shield while trying to revive like 6 times now

maybe its a console thing

next time i get on im gonna try out chemical rounds lok-i with hyper propellant and maybe thatll make it easier

shard diffractor is cool and all but i simply dont enjoy it

[worldly turtle]

Gonna try and do another solo EDD. Haven't fought a Caretaker above haz 4 yet...

I'm curious, what strategies do people use to fight it? I haven't looked it up. I figured out that clearing a circular area to sprint around it and creating at least one resupply bunker helps a lot

I heard you can wipe the first stage by placing c4 on top of it as driller

[trail pivot]

sometimes there really is more than driller can clear, and the bastard starts spinning faster and faster when it mixes attacks third phase

if you don't take off that armor fast enough third phase you lose by attrition

hell, second phase too

[worldly turtle]

How's the nitra abundance prior to the fight?

[lime meteor]

Caretaker missions always have a ton of nitra

[upper harness]

The burning terrain also doesn't help much lol

A lot of ground to cover for the engi

[buoyant forge]

for a low o2 caretaker and lethal bugs stage 3, that was a surprisingly easy edd

[turbid sentinel]

thx

[gray panther]

The regular deep dive has like 1k nitra.

[river flume]

the elite deep dive is pure nightmare fuel, EXPECIALLY stage 2

What kind of madman would want to go through an industrial sabotage, in the magma core, WITH LOW OXYGEN

[gusty meteor]

A dwarf

[crystal solar]

I use the scouts electric ⚡️ bolts and hit it’s weak spots!

[burnt sandal]

I would

not the worst mission for Low O2

[river flume]

Maybe, but the infinitely respawning shredders say otherwise

[burnt sandal]

infinitely respawning shredders ?

[crisp grail]

Bruh this deepdive elite was hardest one yet 💀

[cinder sandal]

Psycho Mantis?

Metal Gear?

[cinder sandal]

Infinite Shredders?

Snake moment.

[crisp grail]

Last time low 02 extraction was bad enough now they somehow made it worse 💀

[river flume]

im not joking btw thats incidentally what happened to me and the team we tried to do this EDD with last time

could barely dish out the revives without swarms of shredders coming in

[cinder sandal]

Me and two other dwarves went in, got to stage 3, and died after a few swarms. We had no scout. So no ammo at that point.

This week was rough.

[crisp grail]

Is the deepdive dev chose map?

[crisp grail]

Indeed

[cinder sandal]

I have no idea

[crisp grail]

It gotta ye

[river flume]

Then it deems the almighty gods of deep rock have decided to make us suffer. good to know

*seems

[cinder sandal]

But if they did. Might turn my flamethrower on them.

[crisp grail]

Probs

Some of the map gen seems too hard

Like low 02 extraction last time

There was like 3 elevations

[cinder sandal]

Also, agree. I prefer to suffer with my dwarven brothers rather than have it easy on these weekly missions.

[crisp grail]

Most of the map gen in elite is really hard

[cinder sandal]

Yeah, I recommend going for mobility as much as possible. Traversal is a killer this week.

[crisp grail]

Nah

I suggest 2 gunner no scout xd

For caretaker

Eh

[cinder sandal]

Alr, suit yourself.

[crisp grail]

2 gunners no driller

[burnt sandal]

the deep dives are entirely RNG

[cinder sandal]

RNG?

hah

[crisp grail]

Flamethrower drillers for bot kinda sucks now

[cinder sandal]

Psycho Mantis?

[crisp grail]

Bots now take 40% so

40% heat

[burnt sandal]

it's random

[cinder sandal]

ah

[burnt sandal]

It takes 1 more second to heat up the bots, it changed barely anything

it's still the best weapon to deal with them

[cinder sandal]

As a Driller main, can confirm.

[crisp grail]

I can feel the change

And in a real match it is quite awkward to heat them up

I will probs still takes flame into rival mission but I would rather play other class

[glossy walrus]

I can second 2 gunner, that's what me and my buddy did and it worked great

I ran ntp for bugs and he ran lsls for caretaker and general use, great combo for all 3 stages

we'll just ignore I didn't do very much to caretaker compared to him since all I had was brt

[bold maple]

very interesting EDD

[golden vale]

an engineer will solve all your practical problems. thank goodness for low g in final stage though

[oblique raptor]

Rock and stone

[cobalt storm]

FOR ROCK AND STONE

[vagrant heron]

Did I hear a ROCK AND STONE?

[pure cedar]

We went with 2 gunners too with our group after failing the first time in stage 2 EDD. Was still a challenge the 2nd time but it went smoother and we managed it. Dwarven God bless that low grav in stage 3.

[humble sage]

ROCK... AND STONE!

[tribal sandal]

But not problems like what is beauty? cause that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy.

[old siren]

what is the weekly deep dive

[tribal sandal]

Pinned message

[old siren]

ty

[tribal sandal]

Np

[white dagger]

Bruh wtf is this week's EDD💀 o2 and IS? What a headache.

[trail pivot]

and then three mules, the box and low gravity lethal

[coral pond]

Low grav is honestly such a good modifier

[trail pivot]

With defense objectives to cancel it out 😢

[hazy lily]

Can always bunker if you're not confident with it

[crisp grail]

EDD is getting harder and harder

[crisp grail]

Me when bunker 😴

A mirmir

[wraith kraken]

Next is 3 sabotages with low oxygen and lethal

[minor hedge]

Hello people I have a question. I want to buy the game should I buy the DLC bundle as well or nah?

[unkempt saffron]

#drg-chat

[minor hedge]

ok

[vital sluice]

wait until caretaker becomes a deep dive secondary, then we can get even funnier combos

[mortal cliff]

it won't too big of an objective to move to second place

IS with dread secondary however

[static hornet]

any tips for a first time deep dive?

[burnt sandal]

• Unless you're confident, don't waste time mining gold. You're not really doing deep dives for XP or money.
• The 1st objective sets the rules for how the mission is going to play out, so if the first objective is gathering aquarqs, you know you will be on a timer before things go to shit. Keep an eye out on that.
• Mine nitra but you don't need to overdo it, and definitely don't mine nitra if you already have a shit ton upon arriving on stage 3.

that's just some basic stuff. Otherwise it plays out like any other normal missions.

Ah, last one : if you wanna go in blind, make sure your build can deal with any threats, so you're never trapped into having to painfully deal with something you can't do well against.

[patent lynx]

You’re not a true gamer if you worry about how you look.

[dawn leaf]

fuck Patrol bots

[trail pivot]

Hard to believe Patrol bots got nerfed sometimes

[humble sage]

Yeah, same.

[trail pivot]

I find it easier to avoid lasers now, but the missiles are still as annoying as ever.

The prospector is still a legit threat on some caverns

[woeful niche]

prospector is pretty rare now tho

[coral pond]

how is prospector a threat?

[trail pivot]

If it gets away in big, length and complexity 3 caves and keeps spawning patrol bots and shredders.

If you ever get an egg hunt in crystal caves that's literally just two gigantic crossed ravines with hallways and plenty of space to hide with a prospector, this is hell.

The prospector will outpace the whole team.

[coral pond]

prospector spawns shit? huh, it really just felt like a big passive thing like the huuli horder

[spring orbit]

Gosh darn this EDD was hell (litterally!)

[spring orbit]

Prospector is like the huuli untill you shoot/damage it, then it starts scrambling and spawning rival tech

[coral pond]

hm, don't remember it ever spawning shit. weird

[spring orbit]

You probably killed it too fast or your fellow dwarves killed the spawns

[coral pond]

probably

[trail pivot]

Haven't seen one in dives yet fortunately, but the more space the prospector has to move the worse it gets.

You can see a bit of it in hollow bough, when a prospector runs off down on of those awful cramped hallways

[spring orbit]

at some point the prospector just becomes a caretaker when it comes to the shredders and bots, thank god rivals havent figured out how to make it put out turrets!

[trail pivot]

I'm so grateful it can't set up snipers

Also grateful I've never met a elite prospector

[spring orbit]

Im pretty sure the elite prospector is the caretaker at this point

speaking of caretaker, the low o2 caretaker was a pain for me, took like 7 resuplies

[radiant halo]

does an elite prospector even exist or would it be too op like the elite opressor

[trail pivot]

Idk

I've never gotten elite rival combo

I'd be too scared to try that mission

The prospector has a low spawn chance

[spring orbit]

honestly im more scared of the prospector than im of the nemisis

[trail pivot]

Sometimes you can bullride the prospector, other times it goes full yellow 13

Picture a hell mission with constant rain in crystal caves, terrain that allows the prospector to outrun and outrange the whole team consistently...

Scout can't actually light the place because of the hellish terrain and rainfall

That's what is was like

[queen flicker]

any help on the EDD?

[barren narwhal]

does anyone know when were getting cross play with ps and xbox?

[glossy walrus]

never is a good bet

[neat talon]

Nasty little EDD this week. Woof.

[polar wyvern]

yeah 3 failures for me already (but to be honest I never had a "good" team). Can't carry at all

I was going as Gunner, jet fuel homebrew hurricane + hellfire coilgun, the hellfire is pretty good at one shotting turrets and erasing swarms but very bad ammo efficiency, and the jet ful I don't know, it's good against bots but for the caretaker it's pretty shit? also useless against swarms (and also bad efficiency). I'm really struggling to think of a good kit for the 3 missions

[woeful niche]

hellfire is very ammo efficient tho

[polar wyvern]

well it should be, but not when I'm also handling turrets with it

[polar wyvern]

maybe I should go big bertha + hellfire, big bertha should be better against dreadnaught, maybe against caretaker too

[woeful niche]

then use jet fuel for turrets

fuck no

big bertha is not better for dread or caretaker

[polar wyvern]

maybe you're right I didn't use it since I got NTP

[polar wyvern]

you think jet fuel is the best primary for this edd? maybe there's something with the minigun

[woeful niche]

big bertha is very good dont get me wrong, but also inaccurate

[woeful niche]

any minigun build or jet fuel wud be best imo

[polar wyvern]

well I guess LSLS would be pretty bad idea lol, exhaust vectoring sounds the best I think. Will be better than jet fuel for the last mission at least, that's for sure

[woeful niche]

lsls is great if u know how to use it

[polar wyvern]

yeah in haz5 I can play with ziplines or bunny hopping but this edd is much harder than h5

[polar wyvern]

I will probably fuck up

[woeful niche]

i believe in u

[buoyant gust]

Died in EDD stage 3 but I don't care because we beat stage 2 goddamn

All I wanted was to take that overgrown dorito down

[wraith shard]

Only thing I can say is, don't bring cryo driller

I did and paid the price

We still made it out but lordy was I not that useful

[glossy walrus]

stage2 is only haz5, just that most people don't have exp against haz5 caretaker

jfh should be perfectly fine, jfh + hellfire is one of my favorite gunner loadouts after ntp, and it's much better on caretaker than ntp is

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[polar wyvern]

eh dunno, I did a lot of caretakers h5 even with o2, this one is pretty annoying also low nitra. Sure they have h5 numbers but all the little things make it seem harder to me

[indigo owl]

Anyone else here only do only first and second stage of dd for core and weapon OC?

[silk dragon]

No? I want cosmetics! You need to have some style

[indigo owl]

I don't need cosmetic I NEED fatboy

[willow quarry]

ey folks just unlocked deep dives but havent tried yet what should I expect/prep for going into em?

[buoyant wedge]

You get more weapon OCs per week if you get the cosmetic cores

Forge mastery will alternate between weapon and cosmetic, and you need to craft five cores to get a mastery core

[indigo owl]

I don't forge cosmetic because I don't have resource

simple as

😎

[polar wyvern]

well you can reset the overclock mission infinitely with the promotion bug/feature

[buoyant wedge]

You get nine cores per week, which means two mastery cores a week, which therefore means one extra weapon core a week (with two extra on occasion)

[polar wyvern]

but at this point might as well just mod all the overclocks

[buoyant wedge]

You can yes

[unkempt saffron]

If you can play haz 3 without feeling much of a challenge then you can play deep dives just fine

Dont do elites though, you wont be ready for them

[unreal copper]

When I first started playing, I would do this solo. Now I don't care as much about OC's, so I either do the full deep dives or not at all.

[mystic grove]

I got fucked over because the fuel cells on EDD last stage spawned in the c-shaped cliff next to the pit, and I was gunner so I wasn't gonna dig out the entire radius

I feel robbed

[proper pagoda]

I feel that

[mystic grove]

I watched a guy do this EDD on video for taking inspiration with my loadout (chose overtuned feed mechanism hurricane and mole coil gun, instead of burning hell + volatile bullets), but he got a normal fuel cell spawn and didn't struggle, whereas I was doomed to fail. I saw where it spawned, and just knew I was going to die

I spent 1:30 on that run because of the solo caretaker...

I'll try again after doing some chores, I guess

I guess that's what I get for lucking out and not getting phase bombs

[cedar swan]

holy shit this week's EDD is a bullet hell on mission 2

[quaint ore]

does anyone else couldnt get 1 resupply on EDD mission 1?

its always so annoying when im having a bad day and it always has to be that one stupid EDD

[neat talon]

There’s enough for at least two resupplies on mission 1

And yeah, mission 2 is bananas. Small cave, all the turrets bunched up, lots of explodey plants, and those frequent rival spawns. It’s a fun one!

[vague sentinel]

guys, i just got face melter finally... whats a good build for it? i did 11332 i think. but im not sure. as well as the secondary paired with it.

[weary bronze]

Stage 2 EDD is actual hell

[vague sentinel]

yeah. painful af

[weary bronze]

Only thing they could've done to make it worse is to add haunted caves somehow

[vague sentinel]

yep. this mission was hell... i did the dive solo... but it took me i think like 12 tries and like 10 hours...

and 11 of those 12 tries i failed the caretaker fight...

[coral pond]

The setup i was given, which i had the same as you before, was 22331. And honestly it feels so much better, and the extra 5m is really nice

[median sequoia]

Man the elite deep dive this time is a pain in the utter ass

[weary bronze]

Low 0² combined with the constant need to move around can be nightmarish

[vague sentinel]

yeah just switched it up a bit to more range and higher ROF. i like that. but what secondary should i use? still the microwave gun?

any engineers here? have a question for the lok1

[burnt sandal]

shoot

[vague sentinel]

what overclock would you prefer?:

executioner or electrochemical explosive rounds

i like both but cant decide.

[burnt sandal]

depends : do you want to swarm clear or do single target damage ?

[vague sentinel]

mostly single target.

but generally general purpose. so i guess explosive isnt that bad

better said i need to do industrial sabotage rn. so whats better for that

[burnt sandal]

then executioner

[burnt sandal]

definitely executioner

[vague sentinel]

ok ima try that

and for explosive the build i used was 21111

fine?

[burnt sandal]

yeah

[vague sentinel]

k ty

[coral pond]

I still use the cwc for now, yeah. Am hunting for explosive reload on the subata and then i'll switch to that

[vague sentinel]

i alr have that so i should try that?

[coral pond]

Yeah, it's good on the big bois afaik to finish them off so you don't waste so much fuel. Just set em on fire then subata spam em

[vagrant lion]

this weeks EDD is frustratingly difficult

[crimson lodge]

oi fellow beardbois, have anyone else experienced 2 of the large asteroids landing in the same game? not at the same time but with some time inbetween?

[median sequoia]

I finally got to part 3 of EDD, wtf guys...Lethal Enemies and Low Gravity?

[silk dragon]

just jump and shoot

simple as that

[vague sentinel]

yeah me

[crimson lodge]

nice was afraid it might be a bug, but it then seems its just rare

[vague sentinel]

multiple times

[median sequoia]

Well wish me luck, ive been waiting on the loading screen for EDD part 3

[coral pond]

Low grav makes lethal enemies not horrible, since you really can just jump strafe them. It's not as bad as it looks. Stage 2 looks much worse tbh

[wooden lily]

it was