deep-dive-discussion

[fading solar]

question to any dev of drg when are we getting the female characters or say the the girl versions of the same 4 classes

[high sky]

This is the wrong channel for this question, but the response they've given previously is that it's something they want to do but struggle with for technical reasons. A lot of systems and resources would have to be produced from scratch.

[crimson chasm]

hey guys im new, are deep dives hard?

[simple tendon]

no

[tardy girder]

regular dives are fairly easy; if you can handle haz3, you should be fine

elite dives, on the other hand, can be a bit of a challenge at times, so i'd hold off until you're comfortable with haz4 and haz5

[flat crest]

^^^^

[mortal plover]

I've been seeing more Bulks in missions overall.

[limpid pond]

Confirmation bias. Every single update there's "Wtf increased Bulk spawn rate" comments

[balmy stone]

I also had 4 dets fwiw

[wraith shard]

I think the bulk spawn rate seems higher because we’re collectively playing on a higher difficulty than we used to

[noble timber]

I had exactly one Bulk in this week's EDD. Fought it with the Dread in Stage Two.

[coral portal]

oh boy, I haven't done a deep dive in a while, I should do one
first mission has a nemesis at spawn I can't deal with by myself as a scout with either my main drak builds or embedded dets
fml

[wraith shard]

I stole all of your bulks sorry I had like 4 of them spawn in my normal mission the other day

[coral portal]

guess I'm going to have to wait for a team for that one

[flat crest]

I think it could also be a case of; if something above the usual happens, like 3 bulks in a deep dive stage, it's more likely that someone comments on it. And if so, one will see a bunch of comments about "everyone getting bulks", even though prob a bunch got just one or none 🤔

[left sleet]

Bulks are def appearing more frequently outside of dds.

[flat crest]

Though I've not really played this game for long enough to have proper reference to tell if certain enemy spawns have changed. 🙂
That was just a potential thing that could be in regards to drg, since it is quite common in many areas in general, when something seems "more or less than normal"

[jagged plaza]

What are the missions in this week's EDD?

[old widget]

pinned messages are always up to date, even though date is old (it's edited in place)

[jagged plaza]

Okay, thanks!

[coral portal]

ended up doing a elite deep dive instead with a public team, ended up winning it

first elite deep dive I've ever done, good stuff

[verbal remnant]

Finally did my first edd, not so bad outside of stage one

[fluid cliff]

no they’re not

[half wigeon]

Anyone got advice on passive perks for the driller? Right now I have two slots available.

[fluid cliff]

what are you already using

[half wigeon]

Sprint perk and that uhh one that lets you restock faster

Died too many times trying to get red sugar and ammo from a supply drop

[fluid cliff]

if you’re playing with a team field medic is good as is iron will. driller axes are melee dmg so if you run those vampire is really good for the heals

my usual load out for driller with axes is resupplier, born ready, vampire, sprint, iron will

[half wigeon]

I heard cryo gun, vampire, and driller damage is the ultimate glyphid vibe checker

[fluid cliff]

yeah

even without cryo id argue vamp is great on driller

axes be dealing damage

but especially with cryo

[half wigeon]

Axes are melee?

[fluid cliff]

yes they proc vampire

[half wigeon]

HOH

[fluid cliff]

(:

[half wigeon]

Thx!

[fluid cliff]

and if you iron will and heal with vampire you don’t go back down

strong synergies here

there are other options too but until you avoid damage consistently I would start with that perk loadout

[half wigeon]

I did...not know how op vampire is when you combine it with the right stuff

[balmy stone]

I concur with vampire

My other two on driller are prob deep pockets and resupplier or born ready

[half wigeon]

Dwarf warcrimes

Born ready is the auto reload?

[balmy stone]

Yep

It’s god tier if you’re running autocannon cause it takes like 5 seconds to reload anyway, but with born ready you can use your secondary in that time

It’s useful on high hazards too when you’re surrounded by enemies and need a gun with ammo

Or you’re getting cornered in a high place and need the platform gun loaded so you can land on something

Lots of scenarios like that

[half wigeon]

Beginning to underestimate all the perks I thought were bad

[balmy stone]

With flame driller it’s esp nice cause crspr has to be reloaded

Sludge too actually

[half wigeon]

I still haven't gotten a promotion yet so that sounds awesome for until I can use cryo to chop up some bugs

Plus crspr is 👌 👌 for crowd control

[balmy stone]

Indeed

[trail pivot]

Born ready on gunner is something else.

I don't have to reload minelayer anymore 😂

[limpid pond]

Bear in mind that Born Ready doesn't do anything for Cryo Cannon, EPC, or CWC. You can very easily have a Driller loadout that doesn't reload at all. And given Cryo cannon doesn't play nice with Subata, I'd advise against Born Ready with it. Personally I use Friendly since you have to get very close to bugs and you can end up caught in the crossfire. Thorns is also fairly ineffective since Cold Radiance basically does that for you, and since you already have Resupplier + Vampire, you basically only end up with the convenience perks like Deep Pockets and Veteran Depositor to choose from.

Sweet Tooth is another ordinarily strong perk that ends up overkill with Cryo Driller

[deft vine]

Is veteran depositor worth using?

[limpid pond]

Yeah. It's not a life-saver like Resupplier or Thorns, but it's not useless like Elemental Insulation and Strong Arm.

[woeful niche]

i prefer unstoppable

[limpid pond]

Unstoppable is goated, shame Dash basically does what it does but better

[torn verge]

why not run both
you can never be too immune to slows

slows are how you die

getting smacked by a slasher that managed to intercept you while you're maneuvering and having a horde catch up is one of the most common ways to die
and unstoppable lets you limp out of range of the slasher before it can stun you again

yeah dash lets you zip zoom out of there but dash has a cooldown

[green estuary]

Unstoppable works on nadeocytes too despite saying "environmental slows"

[flat crest]

On driller I generally run; thorns, vampire and resupplier (which also can be good if you do go down, and you use "breathing room" on armor rig, for 6sec of invisibility after revive). And in mp, field medic and iron will or dash. 🙂
On gunner I tend to have vampire swapped out for born ready instead, cause that works great for me with my autocannon/brt7.
But that's just what I've noticed works for me on those classes. There are other great perks too. 🙂

[limpid pond]

Because you only have 3 passive perk slots. Dash's 25 second CD is incredibly short, and unless the map is literally entirely caked in goo, is more than enough if you get slowed. Unstoppable is strong, it's just redundant with Dash always coming back when you need it.

There's no low CD active that reloads all your weapons to step on Born Ready, or lets you insta resupply to step on Resupplier, etc.

[brave lodge]

i havent gotten the hang of dash yet

[high sky]

Once you get in the habit of using Dash, it becomes very hard to not use it IMO.

I've tried taking it off my Scout because I figured it would be redundant alongside his Grappling Hook, but I still find myself double-tapping Shift sometimes to then go "Oh, right..." and grapple somewhere instead.

[dusty pine]

i mean ngl its still useful on scout cuz it can basically extend your grapple range every time its up + dodging stuff

[fluid cliff]

it’s still useful but other things are more useful because of the redundancy

[high sky]

Yeah, that's what I was figuring. Like if there's any class that should be able to afford me bringing something other than Dash, it's Scout.

In general I'm trying to go more off-meta lately, just to see what's possible in the game.

[fluid cliff]

IW and FM are a pretty standard coop scout loadout due to the insane clutch potential of scout

[torn edge]

Guys I need a black stout, just had a edd second stage we were about to end the mision, when a driller hopefully by mistake slaugthered all of us with saws 🙂 we were all in gunners shield btw

[fluid cliff]

oof

[dusty pine]

agaonus

i hope they change the friendly fire damage of the saws and gun grenade just a bit soon

[brave lodge]

yea

i think gunnade is fine but it needs to be way brighter and louder

saw is wack bc its hard to predict even if ur the driller

[high sky]

The Springloaded Ripper and the Tactical Leadburster were added to increase the viability of the Friendly perk. 😛

[golden mesa]

how fun is this new one

[high sky]

The new(est) deep dives?

[golden mesa]

yea

[high sky]

Haven't tried the EDD because I suck at Haz 5 and stage 1 has a Shield Disruption hazard. Regular deep dive was pretty simple though.

[faint iron]

Yo when does the update happen on consoles again?

[golden mesa]

never

perish

[faint iron]

💀💀💀

[golden mesa]

deserved

[faint iron]

😭😭😭

I am the die

[golden mesa]

cry more it's healthy

[faint iron]

Nah

Imgud

[golden mesa]

very disappointing

what a shame

[faint iron]

Indeed you are

[golden mesa]

understandable

[faint iron]

Best of luck rock and stone brother

👍

[golden mesa]

🎶🎷🦖

[mortal cliff]

Dd is a walk in a park, EDD can easily go into thousands of kills. First time in a long time I had 6 bulks in single EDD.

[toxic yacht]

how do you guys get so many bulks

i got just one for each stage on edd

[tribal shoal]

Is the elite dive different each time you load? I didn’t have any bulks or an escort

[unkempt saffron]

the cave layout will be the same, the spawns however will vary

[unkempt saffron]

also this edd will always have an escort unless if youre playing on console

[tribal shoal]

Yes I’m on console, anyone wanting to attempt this? I’m on Xbox GT - Tuftyalx312

[unkempt saffron]

#lfg-xbox-microsoft

[stoic swan]

Will the new patch reduce the amount of nitra spawned in this DD/EDD or are those spawns already set?

[manic thicket]

What is it this week?

[lost wing]

Those spawns are set. You'll still retain the high amount of nitra for this DD/EDD

[pine mural]

They changed the last stage of the DD at least

[hollow citrus]

Did they make the sabo map smaller?

[pine mural]

yeah, way smaller

my first move was running to the two power stations and calling down the pods

[olive flicker]

Wow I got a incredibly bad spawn on the 2nd stage of DD. Solo in the ditch of the 2nd egg and the game just spawned a Nemesis on top of me.

Instant grab instant death.

Really dislike enemies being spawned right next to you like that.

[wheat talon]

hey, just started playing and im wondering if playing solo will effect my progress in co op with my friends?

[ornate nova]

It will. There are ways to make different save files, you could have one for Co-op with friends.

Do i know how to access those files? Nope!

[unkempt saffron]

Not the right place to ask since it belongs to #drg-chat but yes if you only use one save file, but its not a big deal really

[tropic kraken]

Finished my first EDD last night.

[flat crest]

Personally I feel like this game dont really need multiple saves for that kind of reason, since if you're "ahead" in progress you can always choose to not use overclock or you can choose to not put on certain mods on your weapons, if you'd like to not be too op in comparison to a friend that just started. 🙂

I never felt "behind" in progress though some friends had played this for ages before me ^^

[brave lodge]

yeah

[shell spindle]

industrial sabotage in a deep dive? got damn

[echo storm]

its a lot shorter than a normal one thankfully

still takes like 15 mins

[old widget]

Is it just the caretaker?

[brave lodge]

yea

and 150 morkite

[old widget]

so no hacker boi defense, wonder if we'll see that as a DD secondary like black box

[tropic kraken]

Each platform has different deep dives, right?

[balmy stone]

Right now console has different ones cause s3 hasn’t launched

They’re the same usually

[random rampart]

usually yes

i think

[tropic kraken]

Because I play the MS store version on PC, and there wasn't an industrial sabotage this week.

There WAS however a nemesis camping the drop pod on stage 1.

[balmy stone]

That’s the console dd then

Prob for xbox but idk

The rig killed the nemesis for me on either the dd or the edd, whichever one had point extract on stage 1

Edd

To make up for it the rng gods gave me 4 dets

[tropic kraken]

I only had one bulk. I've never seen the pod kill the nemesis before. That's wild.

What if the pod crushed the bulk? Would the detonation kill everyone before you could start?

[balmy stone]

I’m not sure if they spawn that early into missions but the rig would probably kill the det

As for the pod, that would be ridiculous

I think it depends on the timing of when the det explodes and the door opens

[tropic kraken]

Bulks can spawn upon level generation I know.

But if it landed on it, I don't think the doors open fast enough for you to make it out of the blast radius. Maybe the scout could zip away.

But would the explosion kill you inside the pod?

[balmy stone]

I’d assume it’s happened before and they now spawn a certain distance from the drop pod landing to keep missions from instantly failing

Oppressors and dets can do aoe through the drop pod walls I think

[severe tusk]

You have to do the 2 hacking events as usual before being able to fight the caretaker.

[old widget]

ah, thanks. bummer.

[wanton knot]

pretty sure the droppod damage reduction would save you if it lasted long enough, it lasts like 10 seconds at most on entry

[tropic kraken]

What's this now? There's a damage reduction at start?

[wanton knot]

i swear you take less damage for like 10 seconds when the droppod lands, i know you take reduced damage in the exit pod

gonna have to test it by detpacking myself on entering a level

[wraith flame]

You take 50% reduced damage while in the drop pod

[tropic kraken]

Start and end?

[wraith flame]

If you are in the pod yes

[wanton knot]

im pretty sure the damage resistance expires sometime in the entry pod because i have taken hella damage while sitting in it

but it doesnt expire in the exit pod

also i swear it's like 99% for the exit pod, idk how much it is for entry

[old widget]

It’s a lot more than 50% reduction. 99% I think

[torpid solar]

I’m pretty sure you’re invulnerable in the exit pod but have heavily reduced damage in the entry pod

[old widget]

Wiki has the deets (maybe?)

But I recall some calculations that a bulk explosion could still kill you in the pod at a high enough Haz level

[torpid solar]

I’ve been killed by taking a lot of Mactera shots in the entry pod in an elite deep dive before

[torn verge]

you're not invulnerable in the exit pod
i've been killed in green zone of the exit pod by bugs while at very low health

[trail pivot]

Nem can do serious damage with his dig ability in the pod too.

[glossy walrus]

it's not invulnerable yeah, it's just very high damage reduction and I forget if it had a shield regen delay reduction or not too

it also does run out after a time when you drop in, but doesn't run out on exit

99% sounds right, which means it can't kill you from full on haz1 and haz2-1p, but after that it can if you're in the full damage radius

[polar walrus]

If bulk explodes from falling droppod, you cannot take damage
As i remember, i had this situation sometimes, and stayed alive, if you mean that

[atomic current]

Did people manage this weeks elite deep dive?

almost finished it

had all aquarqs

died at eggs

[polar walrus]

But in other case, if bulk alive and you wanna dodge it attaks, it doesn't work

[polar walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid pond]

The EDD fucking sucks with the proper Nitra amount 💀

[sterile viper]

got to stage 3 EDD solo
chain grabbed :(

got two swarms at once because it's a point extraction with eggs

bad

[vapid quail]

I see the free loot for all sign up when I login but when I click on joining the steam group -> it just pops up with the 'all' app page. Where do I go to join the group?

[fluid cliff]

so glad I did it before this

[queen patrol]

the devs spilt their bag of swarmers into this one

actually pardon me

fucking industrial sized cargo crate of swarmers

[atomic current]

i would post a picture of my endscreen but i had a thousand kills in this one 💀💀💀

[hollow citrus]

swarmageddon is the mot annoying modifier by far

[queen patrol]

it wasnt even contained in the swarmageddon level

whole thing was a nightmare

[drifting parrot]

jeezuz that elite is brutal

[still basin]

How long does an elite deep dive usually take?

[drifting parrot]

depends a lot on the objectives

how long does an average mission take for you/your group?

[still basin]

Mhm 25-35 minutes for haz 4?

Mostly just trying to get a ballpark for EDD? More than 1.5 hours?

[drifting parrot]

estimate it as about 3 missions

[wraith flame]

About 30-50 min

[drifting parrot]

(to be fair, it is three shorter-side missions

[zealous pond]

It can, we lost two guys in the exit pod to a bulk det on haz 4 yesterday

[zealous pond]

Usually somewhere between 40 minutes and just over an hour

think the longest I saw was about 1:15

[timid merlin]

The one EDD I just flat out give up on

Stage 3 with all those lethal swarmers for no reason

nah

[sick compass]

Would anyone mind pointing me to a thread/video with some current min-maxed loadouts for any/all classes?

[wraith flame]

You can do this yourself at Karl.gg
It allows you to build your own stuff and see the stats. For good breakdowns of stuff YouTube: Lazy Maybe is great, Gaming existence has good stuff, ReapeeRon has pretty frequently updated stuff

[zenith geyser]

Hot take: I like beer

[zealous pond]

Just beat the EDD with two level 20-something gunners on the team

sometimes greenbeards can surprise you

[hazy shuttle]

was the EDD edited a bit today or yesterday or am i going insane

[torn verge]

new patch means you get less nitra spawns

which also applies to EDD generation

[gray panther]

That EDD was nasty lol

A bulk a floor is not needed

[willow wedge]

Having firepower always nice

[severe tusk]

Players new to DRG can already be really good at shooters and have great aim and movement, so it's not a huge surprise when you run into a low level dwarf who is actually really good every now and then. And then some people are just natural born gamers.

[zealous pond]

That it is, and having two shields is even nicer in some ways

[brave lodge]

im 100 hrs and it takes me an hr average

[arctic rune]

when does the season end cause i really wanna get that plague doctor cosmetic but dont really have the time

[severe tusk]

Like 6 months from now.

And also:
Once a season is over, all of its items that haven't been claimed by a player are moved to other item pools, specifically Cargo Crates, Lost Packs, the Shop and Matrix Core Cosmetics. No seasonal cosmetics are permanently cycled out of the game.

[arctic rune]

so i can still get the hat even if i dont finish the pass neat thanks for the info

[severe tusk]

Yep. No problem.

[cerulean frigate]

Fact, I play a lot of shooters, and was okay at the game when it came to flying around (scout) and shooting but I can't figure out how to do most of the "tasks" such as hacking and stuff lmao

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[shell spindle]

hi mission control

[noble timber]

Thanks, Dave.

[hidden sky]

Why is there never any public Elite Deep Dives. Is it because its too hard to risk randoms dropping out?

[wraith flame]

There are, they just are a little harder to find. Sometimes you have to wait. If you don't find any try hosting one. They often come in pretty quick in that case.

[trail pivot]

You have to stare at thats screen for a good hour

And yeah, randoms can leave 2nd stage

It's faster to come here and lfg tbh

[wraith shard]

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[lime meteor]

embed in non embed channel

[next cedar]

people joining an EDD tend to have more patience for waiting a few minutes for more players than they would otherwise when doing, say, one of their weekly assignments

[trail pivot]

Every team should be discussing strategy, and usage before hand tbh. 5 minutes from the hour contributes to success.

[echo storm]

i usually just say whether i have cryo or not

and if engi has hyper prop if there are dreads

[sharp abyss]

Hi guys

[balmy stone]

I’m picky about joining edd’s, I prefer high level lobbies or solo unless lower level players have mics

[sharp abyss]

Ok ):

[brave lodge]

cringe!!

[balmy stone]

My strategy is making a drink and yolo’ing it based on a rough memory of what the objectives are

Too much planning limits adaptability

[wary onyx]

holy shit this edd is ass

[sly aurora]

Got a nemesis on exfil from stage two. Luckily sand blasted so i could go through a wall to get to pod instead of passing him

[deep helm]

is the engi getting turret ammo on stage change intended or a bug?

[sharp abyss]

L.B.P.C LOOT BUG PROTECTION SERVICES

[sterile viper]

i thought it was intended since other classes also get stuff back

iirc

[buoyant wing]

it's a bug I'm sure since it's only c4 and sentries that replenish

it also happens when a dwarf rejoins a game they were disconnected from mid-session

not really sure how to pinpoint why it does it, since the game remembers the current weapon ammo counts, aside from post-disconnect loadout swaps

probably has a similar line of logic where the dwarves all rejoin the game in a separate stage

[white idol]

Hey guys, do u know if rewards for deep dive are for 1 class or 1 account per week ?

[buoyant wing]

it does not matter what class you play it's a once a week deal

[white idol]

👌 ty

[wraith flame]

It really isnt that bad. Have had plenty worse. EDD's can be hard though

[wraith shard]

this was like the most average edd ever 😭

[naive shard]

No one remembers that one EDD where the cave generation was a vertical spiral in dense biozone on haunted cave with a betc at the midsection of the cave height

[lime meteor]

👴

[grand cradle]

me: i guess ill try my first deep dive drop pod arrives
nemesis: WE'RE RICH WE'RE RICH grabs me

[iron smelt]

ROCK AND STONE ⛏️

[gusty canopy]

Räck n stoen

[lethal stratus]

Oh boy I cant wait to try the edd

[brave lodge]

got to the 3rd stage in a pod of 3 earlier

tried solo yesterday and lost the drilldozer on the 2nd heartstone layer

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[wanton knot]

wow that edd was rough, we managed to beat it. i had most downs tho at 22 lmfao

[pastel hawk]

Can we not have Bulk Detonators spawning on last phase Dozer next one. Much appreciated

[brave lodge]

the oppressor is what got me

[buoyant glade]

this edd was one of the most obnoxious i've had in a while, somehow did it first try however

[buoyant glade]

bulks just need to not be able to spawn during that event it is so stupid

also shield disruption

why would you design a game around a core mechanic then think its okay to just take it away, its so objectively bad its unreal

[next cedar]

bulk detonators spawning while the dozer is drilling into the heartstone is fine and are not typically a problem for a team that is working well together. like when a bulk spawns on a defend objective such as salvage, one dwarf needs to be the volunteer to keep its aggro and kite it away, while the others defend dorreta. its not so much about "get good" as it is having a team that work together and coordinate on the fly. And also kiting the bulk on the heartstone isn't too bad, because the kiting dwarf will be running through and/or nearby bugs that spawn behind the heartstone, so they can keep clearing while they are luring the bulk

[winter path]

my friend about 20 minutes ago just had 4 bulks on the first edd while dotty was drilling alone, then had another one on the second mission.

[rain yew]

man I think all of my gunner builds suck really bad. Every time I start an EDD with a different gunner build, get obliterated in the first 5 minutes. Switch to engi or driller and beat the deep dive in less than 2 tries.

how do you guys build gunner for solo deep dives

theres neurotoxin autocannon but I consider that straight up cheating

[balmy stone]

Do you have lsls? I use that and hellfire coilgun on haz 5’s regularly

My build on lsls is 31123 and hellfire is 23122, it’s got a nice balance of sustained fire, cc and single target. I use dash and zips to get some mobility and use clusters/incenduary

[rain yew]

what is lsls

[balmy stone]

Leadstorm oc on leadstorm

[rain yew]

Lead storm I do have it, but not hellfire.

[balmy stone]

It increases damage by a lot but you can’t shoot while moving and it reduces stun almost completely

So people bunny hop while shooting to get around the movement penalty

[rain yew]

I do have the overclock, but not the coilgun one

[balmy stone]

Can’t move while shooting*

[rain yew]

I have used it, and feels good.

But I still get my ass kicked by large swarms

I feel its best against small swarms and big targets

[balmy stone]

Aoe is definitely something you want on gunner and hellfire easily takes out crowds of small stuff

[severe finch]

I've got two builds I use frequently for Gunner.
Burning Hell LS + Volatile Bullets BD
Salvo Module HC + Elephant Rounds BD

[balmy stone]

Volatile bullets does a stupid amount of damage on burning targets

[rain yew]

recently ive been trying burning hell + volatile bullets combo that I hear people say is genuinely overpowered

but I am getting stomped in hazard 4

[rustic yacht]

Bullet Hell OC my beloved

[rain yew]

its like im cursed to be bad with gunner

[balmy stone]

I use dash a lot to kite enemies surrounding me into easier to hit lines or clusters

[rain yew]

I feel all of gunners granades are quite homogenous in their utility. So I just stick to sticky nades cuz you get 6 of them.

but recently ive been trying fire granades just for the build

[balmy stone]

Cluster has friendly fire risks but is quite good at taking out a huge pack of enemies

[rain yew]

not a problem for me since I play solo almost exclusively

[balmy stone]

Use clusters then

[severe finch]

And then there's the leadburster which is cluster bombs turned to 11

[rustic yacht]

I have my autocannon built for dread hunting, so I carry the cluster grenade there to cover swarms a bit better. With the minigun I use stickies because bullet hell is fantastic against swarms but slightly less useful against a single target

[severe finch]

More damage, more indiscriminate friendly fire

[rustic yacht]

somebody's gotta keep Driller in line with that new buzzsaw grenade, I guess!

[balmy stone]

I’m looking forward to the new grenades

[glossy walrus]

hellfire on coil is nice, but since you don't have it you can use TTC or UMC instead for a relatively similar crowd slow/kill while you clean up the rest with your primary

I tried all 3 and honestly I prefer UMC the most due to higher trail duration, but all 3 are fine for the job just with differing strengths

just the base gun's trail works fine for the job too if you have none of those

[rain yew]

Imagine dealing more damage to dwarves than bugs.

[severe tusk]

Ugg doing the EDD late this week and game bugged out last stage or some lag issues was weird, I just died to nothing then, heard voice lines for being revived, then the game finally lost connection.

And cannot rejoin.

It's kind of an annoying EDD to do all over again too.

[hollow citrus]

Im calling it, this week's EDD is gonna have sabo in it

and it'll probably have some terrible warning attached too like shield disrup or ghost

[gray panther]

same

[brisk spear]

Made the mistake of taking sludge on the EDD solo, swarmageddon was not kind to me

Only death the whole run was trying to drill out of a hole the dreadnaught made, the swarmers intercepted the drills and I couldn't escape

[severe tusk]

I went ahead and completed it after disconnecting on stage 3 the first time. Was kind of annoying to have to do it twice though. I didn't have any downs either time, and there was still plenty of nitra. My first group was struggling, but the second one did better and only had 12 downs total.

[hollow umbra]

I'm waiting for the inevitable "Industrial Sabotage + Kill 1 Dreadnought" mission in a DD that's going to make everyone scream haha

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone!

[fossil tulip]

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[sly kettle]

There's probably going to be differences between PC and Consoles this week.

Season 3 arrives for consoles next week, if I'm right.

[quasi schooner]

do you need to reload your game to see the new dd's?

[sly kettle]

Yep.

[quasi schooner]

cheers

[marble veldt]

IT'S MUFFIN TIME!

[quiet mortar]

⌨️ STEAM DIVES ⌨️
DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Feral Gate
Stage 1: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 7 Aquarqs + Dreadnought Classic | No Mutators
Stage 3: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 2 Eggs | Rival Presence Low Gravity

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Salt Pits | Code Name: Xehn's Look
Stage 1: 6 Eggs + 150 Morkite | Regenerative Bugs
Stage 2: Industrial Sabotage + 150 Morkite | Exploder Infestation Rich Atmosphere
Stage 3: 200 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies

(Console Dives will be different to these!)

[ivory marten]

Morkite and Eggs on both!

Huh. Neat.

[frank viper]

I feel like deep dives should give more xp towards the battlepass

[fossil tulip]

NDD Stage 2 - 7 Aquarqs + 1 Dread

[quiet mortar]

Any mutators?

[fossil tulip]

No

Classic dread

[potent vector]

pls no sabotage

pls no sabotage

fuck sabotage

[fossil tulip]

Stage 2 was quick

[fossil tulip]

NDD Stage 3 - 3 Mules + 2 Eggs with Rival Presence and Low Gravity

[sly kettle]

Salvage and Rival Presence

Will be fun with that Nemesis spawn during refueling -_-

[candid bobcat]

[cursive cedar]

the timer is broken for me, gonna try relaunching

ah yeah that fixed it

[glossy walrus]

a lot of people sound like they're gonna have fun doing their first haz5 sabotage

oh and it's exploders too nice, at least you'll move fast

[candid bobcat]

exploders on top of potential phase bombs sound like a blast

[severe badger]

ba dum tss

[potent vector]

oh god, ofc there's sabotage

[sly kettle]

Well, yeah. You jinxed it.

[ivory marten]

Looks like it's dive time.

In the core.

Heck

[wraith shard]

Sabotage + Exploder infestation 💀

At least the 3rd stage seems easy

[wraith shard]

My first haz 5 sabotage was shield disruption

[frank viper]

The place you fight the caretaker is so bad

[silk trench]

I can't see the new dives

[burnt sandal]

skill issue

[silk trench]

bread issue

[fossil tulip]

Gotta say, Sabo on stage 2 has a very simple layout

[silk trench]

Had to restart the game

[burnt sandal]

as usual

[torn verge]

i still remember a sabo mission where the gunner got lost coming back from one of the hacking pods to the caretaker room, so i went to go lead him back
but then i also got lost and we were stuck wandering around for like 5 minutes until the driller came to save us with the power of straight lines

[fossil tulip]

💀

[wraith shard]

does the deep dive change at different times for everyone?

[burnt sandal]

they change at the same time for everyone

[wraith shard]

mine are still on the old ones, steam

[burnt sandal]

sync your system clock and restart the game

[wraith shard]

restarting atm

[sly kettle]

It's the same time for everyone but you need to restart the game for it to update. That's my experience.

[ivory marten]

Bloody hell Stage 1 is rather barren when it comes to nitra.

[scarlet ravine]

stage one of the DD I fell right down the pit

[ivory marten]

ooooooof

[scarlet ravine]

twice

[tardy girder]

regular DD was fine, almost lost stage 1 trying to get to the drop pod because the driller ran out of drill fuel, but we managed to get it done before the time ran out
otherwise unremarkable, although it felt like there wasn't as much nitra as prior dives (even excluding S3's bugged nitra)

[vague panther]

What’s the console DD/EDD? 😬

[sly kettle]

Dunno. Hopefully people will start posting their experiences.

[hollow citrus]

wait 250 morkite as secondary for EDD2?

[radiant halo]

another week another lethal enimies haz 5.5 god damn it

[wraith flame]

Yup. Instead of it hurting a lot now it hurts really a lot.

[stable pagoda]

So this weeks deep dives.. looks like a good opportunity to run unstoppable or strongarm

5 out of 6 missions include carrying objects

both in places with environmental slows

Think unstoppable is the winner

[potent vector]

fuck sabotage

team didn't wanna go fatboy or c4 spam to skip armor phase

what the hell am I supposed to do as a scout

[stable pagoda]

shoot the things

[burnt sandal]

shoot it ?

[potent vector]

yes please tell me how to shoot it while dodging patrol bots, appendages and phasebombs 24/7

[stable pagoda]

sounds like your team just lacked dps

[limpid pond]

Embedded Detonators

[potent vector]

I had embedded dets

[burnt sandal]

ah, so it's a skill issue, got it

[limpid pond]

SOOL then

[potent vector]

5 clips into a caretaker's eye only dealt like 70% of its hp bar

[limpid pond]

Caretaker is brutal if you don't insta-clear vents and Driller isn't constantly killing the tentacles. Scout is the worse vs Rival Tech, too. Can't really "har har skill issue" your way out of that.

[burnt sandal]

"scout is the worst vs rival tech"

since when ?

[potent vector]

can't even kill a patrol bot with full clip dets

[limpid pond]

Since he wasn't given Incendiary Hyper Prop, CRSPR, or a homing primary?

[potent vector]

without ifg

[burnt sandal]

Are you telling me it's too hard for you to aim at weakpoints ?

[limpid pond]

I'm telling you it's absurd to expect Scout to insta-dump bots with the speed everyone else can

[burnt sandal]

It's not absurd

[potent vector]

the last 2 minutes was just me dodging phase bombs, tentacles, patrol bots and force field attacks while trying to find an opening to revive the team

fun gameplay

[limpid pond]

Apparently in co-op games where you rely on teammates to cover your weaknesses, if your team fails it's all your fault personally

Scout killing bots: Full mag dump to the vents
Engi killing bots: 2 + M1
Gunner killing bots: 2 + hold and release M1
Driller killing bots: G
They're the same how exactly?

The strongest Heat source Scout has is White Phosphorous, and that's too inaccurate and too weak even with max damage Shaped Shells to consistently ignite. OFC Scout isn't helpless vs Rival Tech, but it's actually insane to expect him to replace Driller

[wraith flame]

Build for weak point damage. Weakpoint Gk2. Fire bolts are great for bots.

[flat crest]

I still have a lot to learn, but with the knowledge I have so far, I'd say if I was for example gunner and had full team all classes, on sabo, I'm expecting myself to do a lot of damage to caretaker itself, to target any sniper turrets appearing, I will shoot at patrol bots, but f yeah I'm really hoping driller or someone else will at least try to take care of patrol bots, shredders and shit, so I can focus on caretaker and sniper turrets. The arms I usually just ignore and jump back and forth to try my best to dodge, because it's a waste of ammo for me to focus them instead of caretaker. But my take on this, might be wrong. 🙂

[wraith flame]

I will tell you the best strat imo vs the care taker. Only have one arm in front of you and focus it quickly with your team. With that one arm down and with the others too far away to really do anything you have a lot of breathing room. Also a little escape tunnel behind you can use for cover from bots helps. Also it helps even more if you are with engi while doing this, his turrets will take care of annoying shredders.

[limpid pond]

Love how you always suggest completely correct advice in the most passive and unsure voice possible

[flat crest]

Those sound like good tips ^^ and def nice when someone takes cares of shredders, they are indeed annoying haha

[flat crest]

You referring to Tsundere? I don't think that sounded unsure at all 🙂

[limpid pond]

No, I mean you. I think it's kinda funny

[flat crest]

Oh me 😂

[stark stream]

For Driller, you want to drill above the Caretaker and lob C4s on it. For Engineer, you should position yourself parallel to the vents so you hit at least 2 with the Breach Cutter each shot.

[next cedar]

getting above the Caretaker helps in general if its reasonably possible

[topaz mountain]

What are the console dd/edd

[stark stream]

If console players type it here, Muffin might update the pinned.

[limpid pond]

*lob a C4.
A single max damage Satchel instakills Haz 5 4P vents.

[flat crest]

Fair enough haha, I guess I feel like there's a possibility I have a wrong view of something in this game, and since I haven't played it for that long, and if someone gives context and explains, I'd def wanna be corrected. 🙂
(As long as that someone suggesting/giving tips, doesn't have the attitude of "why are you using that mod or oc, those are shit and if you use them you're shit" lol)

[limpid pond]

Yeah

[next cedar]

I'm going to a suggest considering the damage mod on the pickaxe power attack against robots, despite not asking for mods. Scouts have the mobility to get right up to a patrol bot and chunk it real good with one of those

works well on Oppressors too

[flat crest]

You feel free to suggest anything you want ^^ tho I'm not the one who spoke about being scout on sabotage 🙂

[next cedar]

oh lol

[flat crest]

@next cedar that was iProbie ^^

[hollow citrus]

ok EDD this week was ok ish

nitra is on the light side but manageable

[next cedar]

@potent vector consider trying out the pickaxe power attack damage mod on scout against robots. they have a melee weakness, and scouts have the mobility to get up next to patrol bots and chunk them for a ton of their hp. works great on other targets with melee weakness too, like oppressors, who a scout can dance around all day long

[hollow citrus]

pickaxe heavy can instakill caretaker tentacles

having a flamer to kill bots and shredders also helps. tentacle also dies when ignited I think

basically take care of the adds first and the caretaker is pretty easy

[next cedar]

@potent vector idk your skill level/game knowledge level so this may or may not be useful to you/known to you

everything else that others have mentioned is also helpful advice for hte caretaker fight

if it seems like a lot of advice, that's fine. you don't need to try and learn how to do all of it at once

and you might find that some of it doesn't work for how you like to play

[olive flicker]

This is super useful, the tentacles eventually do their stab/strike move and you get a free power hit insta killing them.

[stuck tapir]

Is sabo in the console rotation already?

[tardy girder]

not until S3 launches on the 17th

[stuck tapir]

Ok thank you. Curious what the 2nd and 3rd stage is for console EDD

[wraith flame]

This is nice but with my strat, which you don't have to use, you never have to be close to a tentacle unless you are aiming for caretaker port opening (which you should be moving there anyway). Just stand in front of one, focus it down as it spawns and now you have an entire area where none of the other arms can really mess with you.

[olive flicker]

I just dodge till the tentacle does the stab, then kill it. They're not particularly good at leading their shots.

[hollow citrus]

dont go too far away though, the tentacles can chase you

if I had one suggestion, it's that they should increase nitra spawns for sabo missions. certain missions already tend to spawn more nitra, such as OSR, eggs and elims. I think sabo should have more as it's a combat heavy mission

[distant mural]

Elite deep dive with industrial haz 5 man that’s gonna suck doing

[hollow citrus]

i fully expect some caretaker nerfs in future

[flat crest]

I just hope there's at least enough nitra for the Sabotage in this EDD

[potent vector]

barely passed by nitra wise

stage 1 was also tiring

escort+SD

[analog blaze]

Dear DRG team
Please undo the addition of sabotage missions from deep dives

[limpid pond]

Just waiting for when the Hollow Bough Sabo + Elim + Escort Duty nightmare EDD happens

[potent vector]

nah you see, it's just skill issue

according to some people

[analog blaze]

First attempt, spent an hour to fail on caretaker
Second attempt, spent another hour with even more difficulty (the hacking pod landed in a stupid spot and the exploders kept destroying the terrain), somehow succeeded.... Only to have a lagspike and be disconnected in the third mission

It's not even a skill issue
It's just so, SO annoying. The hacks take ages and are very random. The caretaker eats 3-4 supply pods worth of ammo, expecially if you don't have proper ammo (toxins on gunner, anything on driller)

[hot gazelle]

Sabotage in EDD this week? Isn't that just hell on earth

[flat crest]

There's no escort this week?

[analog blaze]

The one mission also likely pisses off every speedrunner as it means +30 missions doing stuff

EDD mission 2: Sabotage + exploders

it's as bad as it sounds

[potent vector]

sorry, forgot, it was last week's

[flat crest]

That was my second concern 😂

At least it's not sabo + exploders + magma core haha

[potent vector]

when I play sabotage, I have to remind myself that I'm playing drg and not star wars bf2

[flat crest]

lol

[potent vector]

the caretaker fight is just not fun at all, 80% of things in the game just don't work straight up against it. at least with dreads you can debuff their asses off

[analog blaze]

It just combines the worst parts of any mission into one hell package

• Patrol bots, who are tanky, hard to hit and hit hard
• Shredders who are worse than the electro jellyfish
• Two defend the hack missions, which can be very difficult if the terrain is wonky and can have an infinite wave situation if you can't reset it / the connection breaks from terrain damage
• Caretaker, who takes piss all damage from certain weapons and takes more ammo than three dreadnaughts combine, and can easily wipe a team with infinite spawns of bots and other stuff
• Exploders, who just waste ammo and easily down you for all of the above
• The annoying 'connect the beams' part of hacking pods, which can wipe you if exploders or even MOLLE gets in the way

[potent vector]

the hacking sessions are pretty stupid too with how close bugs can spawn in next to hack-c

[analog blaze]

Yeah
Back when it was released, nobody wanted to play sabotage unless forced to

Because it was just long, difficult and annoying

[burnt sandal]

"nobody" is a very minor fringe of the population

[limpid pond]

Wait isn't this week's Sabo Rich Atmosphere? 🤨

[analog blaze]

rich atmosphere and exploders

gotta go fast helps but it's still hell

[zealous nest]

Sabotage missions are easy

[burnt sandal]

they are most definitely not easy for most people

it used to be the mission with the lowest winrate among them all

[zealous nest]

Just needs less power stations

[analog blaze]

But yeah now I'm looking at two hours wasted on this weeks EDD
Once from a failed attempt
A second time from bullshit bugs/disconnects negating the whole thing after we got through the sabotage

And I'm just so annoyed I don't want to go through that slog a third time >.<

Oh yeah, the group I succeded this with was two gunners, engi, scout

[limpid pond]

Sabos aren't really hard if you gear for it. Bunker the pods, Satchel skip Caretaker and unload into it and it's fine. And I'm fine with another Nitra guzzler mission type being added, Dives tend to leave you with too much generally. The issue is it's something you have to gear very specifically to beat, and that's not going to play nice with the other tough mission objectives. Can't cook Patrol Bots if there's a Dread. This EDD doesn't look too bad by itself, but the fact that it's added more possible nightmare combos worries me.

[analog blaze]

I imagine the speedrunners are also annoyed by this weeks EDD
How much time extra does sabotage add? 10-20+ mins?

[timber bolt]

what is the current deep dive? Where can I find the info?

[burnt sandal]

pinned message

[timber bolt]

ty

[burnt sandal]

depends on the layout but it can be done sub 15 for sure, it was already the case before the changes

[analog blaze]

If groups need to do two cheesy strats to get through it (bunkering and satchel skip) there's something wrong with the difficulty involved

[topaz mountain]

Any updates for the console deep dives. Its not in the pins unless you mean the google doc?

Its also not in the google doc

[limpid pond]

Never said Hacking Pods were fair. And I'm pretty sure a Fat Boy or two clears all the vents too. Using big damage big AoE isn't exactly "cheese", unless the entirety of Gunner needs to be nerfed into the ground.

[analog blaze]

I mean, I started the fight as engi with loki, turrets and breach cutter at full ammo, and ended up needing a supply pod to restock because I ran dry on both by the time we were done with the 2nd health bar

[limpid pond]

lok-1
ran dry
I see the problem 😩

I mean, Engi ammo dumping hard is an inherent part of his design, too. It's only an issue if no one else is pitching in damage.

[analog blaze]

Oh they were, two gunners worth

[trail pivot]

nooo edd has sabotage second stage

[limpid pond]

So you have Nitra from the previous stage, everyone is doing their share, and the previous and next objective are the easiest mission types. What's the problem exactly?

[wraith flame]

I like hacking missions. More bugs to kill? For me? Why thank you.

[wraith flame]

"Straight up don't work against it."
This is what we call literal exaggeration everyone.

[wraith flame]

"Need to..." Nah, none of those are even my preferred strat.

[limpid pond]

Tbf the Sabo Hacking Pods are a bit easier, standard Engi roof + Driller terrain clear is usually enough. But Bunkers guarantee victory, are usually quicker to make, and are more ammo efficient.

[analog blaze]

How do you even bunker for hackpods

beyond making a roof of plastcrete or a funnel point

[vast swallow]

Dig down

[analog blaze]

btw odd bug, the mission screen for the EDD doesn't show the hackpod

just shows its a morkite mission

no mention of the hackpods until you enter the mission

Anywho, take three, trying to solo as burny driller. pray for me

[tacit jungle]

I think it's ok to have some missions that can't be won doing anything with any loadout

If you can't rawdog it and don't want to craft a Battle Hole(TM), you could just skip EDD this week

[ornate nova]

I think there's a balance to be struck between "every imaginably bad loadout is viable" and "you don't get to play X this week, sorry chum!"

[burnt sandal]

most loadouts are fine for IS, just not amazing

driller is the class with most problems atm

because of the caretaker himself

[tacit jungle]

I haven't seen an impossible mission in a couple of years. Every mission I failed was a clear skill issue

[analog blaze]

There's a distinction between impossible and 'grating' though. Sabotage just isn't a fun experience to go through

[wraith flame]

I mean I like it. It's a cool boss fight.

A lot different then the dreads

[analog blaze]

It's an aggressive OMEN

[burnt sandal]

I like too personally

[balmy stone]

The caretaker part is fine I just hate hacking data deposits and sabotage has 2

[analog blaze]

yeah it wouldn't be as bad if it was without hacks or without caretaker

it's just.... long. so long

[stark stream]

I have no issue with Caretaker my last 2 EDDs have been quicker than some non-Caretaker EDDs.

[analog blaze]

well, yeah

[native grail]

anyone has an issue with stage 3 DD ?

the fuel cell part was buggy and we had 2 cables to connect to the main drop pod, instead of just one. the fuel cell didnt trigger its building process as well so we couldnt continue with the mission.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412593930383917076/1040323385927946280/image.png

[balmy stone]

Iirc someone mentioned a fix for a bug like that by mining down the fuel cells until the second fuel line broke

They said it sometimes works

[tardy solar]

Exploder infestation should be a plus

[lethal stratus]

This weeks edd doesnt look that bad

:steamhappy:

[void wing]

it was one of the more difficult one I've done

I'm just thankful that our driller wasn't ice, and that our 1st stage swarms are the last 2 eggs so we could dip without using resup

[random oyster]

Dreadnought Hiveguard naturally spawned on Stage 3 of EDD

you hate to see it

[tacit jungle]

smh AI director gives players extra content in the form of a dread fight and they complain

joined a pub game a couple of days ago where the team decided to pop two dreads at once, it went alright

someone complained that I messed up the cave floor with c4 as if he didn't just decide to fight two dreads at the same time for no reason

[lament coral]

that edd was rough

driller brought cryo so stage 2 was hell

[zealous nest]

What is on stage 2

[woeful niche]

which is why i always bring sludge

[burnt sandal]

pinned message

[woeful niche]

look at the pinned message

dammit

[zealous nest]

Wow thanks 🐄

[charred nimbus]

@topaz mountain
6 Eggs + 150 Morkite ( Regenerative Bugs)

Refine Liquid Morkite + 150 Morkite
( Rival Presence + Rich Atmosphere)

250 Morkite + 2 Eggs ( Lethal Enemies)

Can confirm for Xbox atleast, dont know about PS.

[glossy walrus]

last week xbox had different objs than ps, so will be fun to see if that's the case this week too

[charred nimbus]

Yes, but im glad that we all have the same dives with the update coming next week

[trail pivot]

Had a pleasant stroll in the regular dive as driller with vim/ gamma

Nem showed up right before I finished the mules

[candid sparrow]

It is the same with PSN

For normal Deep Dives

Wait no

[topaz mountain]

Thx, i just completed it. Now just the regular dd. Do you happen to know the regular dd objectives

Stage 3 of the console edd was stressfull

[flat crest]

I think the caretaker fight itself is fine, just the other parts of the sabo that can be tedious

[topaz mountain]

Hurricane stun carried so hard

[steady marlin]

Anyone a god Boltshark build for hords?

[charred nimbus]

Sadly not, havent played it

[topaz mountain]

Okay no problem

[nimble burrow]

So we just lost last stage of edd bc our russian driller clicked button while we had 2 swarms

[lament coral]

on the normal dd today when i killed the dreadnought i got "just another bug hunt" achievement

[nimble burrow]

i have never been more pissed at a player in this gamr before in my life

[eternal moss]

how do i enter the miners union

[severe tusk]

There's a terminal on the left wall on your way to the elevator where you go to promote.

[tight yoke]

Man this weeks EDD is brutal, that 2nd mission haha

[cyan tide]

just scrubbed on the EDD, got phase bombs as the first part of caretaker fight

[tacit jungle]

that doesn't seem obviously wrong to me? why waste time fighting bugs when you could be drilling to the drop pod or watching scout on the observer cam

[nimble burrow]

thats the funny thing. he didnt.

[tacit jungle]

ah fun, time to blame the scout I guess

scout life, sometimes you gracefully dance through a carpet of grunts, sometimes a mactera snipes you in mid air and your team calls you a dumpster

[rich kiln]

Is it me or is this deep dive is a repeat of the last one?

I’m on xbox

Because I could’ve sworn it was the exact same layout

For sandblasted corridors

Ooookay NOW it’s magma core for some reason

[sly trout]

BRUH THIS SABOTAGE

i cannot

[wraith shard]

Not sure if anyone dropped the console dives yet, but here they are (for PSN anyway)

Deep dive (PSN)

• 250 morkite, 2 eggs, lethal enemies
• 4 eggs, black box, none
• 200 morkite, 2 eggs, low oxy/low gravity

EDD

• 6 eggs, 150 morkite, regen bugs
• Liquid morkite, 150 morkite, rival presence/rich atmosphere
• 250 morkite, 2 eggs, lethal enemies

[grand cave]

rival presence could be on deep dives before season 3?

[mortal cliff]

yeah, happened before. Industrial sabotage is now a new addition

[wraith shard]

Oh yeah, it’s been been on a few DDs. The industrial sabotage mission is new to season 3

[grand cave]

ah i must have missed those

does anyone here know if repeating the same elite deep dive works towards the mile stone?

cause im trying to get all mile stones done before season 3 hits, and i dont want to waste time doing the elite deep dive twice

[glossy walrus]

@quiet mortar console e/dd here, confirmed on my end

[mortal cliff]

I dont think it does

[cursive bough]

lotta morkite in this weeks DDs

[trail pivot]

it all seems to be hiding in the last room

honestly the volcanic vent rooms turn the swarms into a barbeque if you have a slow debuff weapon or can just run in circles

[potent vector]

finally finished the EDD

I hate sabotage

I hate sabotage

had to cheese with max damage c4 driller and hog a whole res pod all for myself

sabotage is such a nice gameplay design

[severe tusk]

Second time in the last 24 hours where the host of a DD/EDD leaves the game or disconnects on stage 3.

[young vigil]

I hate sabotage on EDD as well
We used all of our iron will's and I had to circle the Caretaker as Scout a good 30 times with everyone down, barely able to get a hit in but we fucking did it
My god damn heart rate holy shit

[balmy stone]

Team wipes can put you in unwinnable situations cause the dumb ass shields and phase bombs

I’m not a fan of sabotage

[young vigil]

We were on the third eye phase so thankfully no phasebombs

[balmy stone]

That’s good at least

[young vigil]

My team was helpful too, calling out the exploders when I was trying to resupply

Having 2.5 cooldown for the grappling hook was so god damn helpful

[balmy stone]

I failed a sabotage earlier cause the gunner was the only other person doing anything

Couldn’t find an opening to rez anyone so I was kiting phase bombs, shields, bots and a bunch of other shit for 5 min in an exercise of futility

[young vigil]

This was the third (and final, thank god) attempt at the EDD
The first time we lost at the sabotage and the 2nd attempt we had driller leave so we aborted

I cant imagine having to dodge phase bombs as well during that

[balmy stone]

They haven’t added sabo to console yet thank god but I’m sure I’d be grateful for a low o2 and haunted mission over sabo

The phase bombs don’t stop

There’s no window between the shields and the bombs if they die next to the caretaker

[potent vector]

meanwhile those appendages impale you for a good 80+ damage

at least with dreads there's really loud audio cue before they do their massive damage attacks

[grave narwhal]

There is a small visual cue before those appendages impale you too. When you see an appendage turn towards you and close up and twist its fingers (for the lack of a better word), it's about to impale. So just move sideways then to avoid that attack. AND after it impales the ground, melee that sob for a LOT of damage.

[woeful tusk]

Stabber Vines

[karmic rain]

I mean was it that bad? The entire deep dive seems fine other than the sabotage being sabotage

[lament musk]

the reduced complexity makes it much more pleasant

exploder infestation made for some funny moments though

[grave narwhal]

Hello miners. Here's my full solo run of this week's Elite Deep Dive. Do give it a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYlgSIhHR8M

[glass echo]

Dang, I miss being able to have such a precise aim

I've been playing on a console for almost an year now and my aim is nowhere as good in terms of speed and precision

[violet mauve]

This week's EDD was great.

[twilit ingot]

the 1st stage DD was weird af

[sweet summit]

the regular deep dive felt like hazard 2 this week, even with 3 people

was fun tho

Managed to get AI Stability Engine for scout

[violet mauve]

Niiice.

[wraith flame]

It was good but the first mission of the EDD had kind of tricky Terrain tbh. It was a bit iffy.

[violet mauve]

Well, I always do DDs/EDDs as Engineer, so that isn't much of a problem for me.

Besides, having 5 of the 6 eggs in the same long tunnel made it really easy.

[sweet summit]

I played gunner for the elite deep dive

Worked out

Went solo, but i didnt do the third stage as i didnt see the point really, might do it at some point but im happy with the cosmetics i got currently

[violet mauve]

Well, thing is, if you miss out on that, you miss out on another.

Since you get 9 cores/week from actions, you also get 2 freebies from forging. Missing out on the last EDD core means you have only 9 (8+1), so you miss out on the 10th and 11th.

Though that said, usually I don't get beyond stage 2 or fail somewhere in stage 3, so to me too it's just a bonus.

[sweet summit]

I went to do other stuff as well so i could do it if i wanted to but probably when im not doing anything else with DRG

[grave narwhal]

Thanks mate. 🙂

[glass echo]

Was a pleasure to watch, thanks for sharing :)

[grave narwhal]

Thanks a TON for watching. You just helped out a smol channel in a big way.

[topaz mountain]

@sweet summit you can join me and king tonight, were doing the regular dd. Iirc.

[ruby crag]

hey guys, where can I check out the ED and EDD mission for this week?

[smoky gorge]

pinned comment

[sweet summit]

Can do

speed run in it

[hollow citrus]

I feel complexity 1 sabo needs more nitra. complexity 2 sabos spawn about 7-8 resupplies worth as opposed to 2-3 for complexity 1

[wraith shard]

Elite deep dive

2nd one

Sucks so much

It’s too damn cramped on the hackbot

[hollow citrus]

the only difference is cave size but the amount of fighting is the same. the caretaker and hacking sucks so much ammo

lol lots of complaints about EDD2 this week

[wraith shard]

Just lost on it

Made it so far

Beat both hack bots too

[tender scaffold]

h

our pfps look the same

[west nexus]

what weapons should i use as a scout for a deep dive

[glass echo]

I'd say whichever ones you feel best playing. The more at ease you feel during a mission, the better it will go, last thing you probably want in there is worrying about how to optimize the weapons you use

[flat crest]

Good tip ^-^ using the weapons you know/feel most comfortable with

[graceful flame]

how was EDD this week?

[smoky gorge]

second stage is brutal if you have a bad team against caretaker

first stage is egg + morkite so try to spend as little ammo as possible on the first stage

because you'll need it for the second one

[violet mauve]

Pretty easy by EDD standards.

Stages 1 and 3 were a breeze.

[uneven lichen]

what are the mutations for this weeks EDD?

[violet mauve]

See pins.

[wheat dew]

In the magma core, nitra rarely appears on its own, or are we just unlucky? Because the first two stages we suffered from an incredibly severe lack of nitra

[uneven lichen]

ah, thanks

[violet mauve]

I do wonder what's the most popular class for solo DDs/EDDs though.

[frail patrol]

my guess is driller, scout is good, but the firepower becomes an issue on elite imo

[final pulsar]

Question, what's Elite Deep Dive like ?

[wraith shard]

Ass

This one fucking sucks

I hate to

It*

[wraith shard]

It’s scout

One of the biggest reasons is sugarlumps you can just skull crush

On the roof

[ancient cove]

Caretaker on Haz5 and EDD is really hard

was very close

Killed it with 2 dwarfs down, all Nitra and Iron Will used

[ancient cove]

Generally or this week?

Elite DD has difficulties from 4.5, 5 and 5.5

[fluid cliff]

engi with rj has good success on solos as well

executioner or mpa or refire stub

scout do be zippin though

[glossy walrus]

if you're not already using motion aim, definitely turn that on. it doesn't quite reach maximum mouse levels but it can get close once you get comfortable with it, and it's a dramatic step up over not using it

just remember to disable enhanced precision as it makes it too slow to be worthwhile

drg's one of the two games I know of on ps that has motion aim (unlike switch which has it all over), and it's very very appreciated

[oak pecan]

The second cave on the EDD is kind of BS with the hacking pod placements and the lack of Nitra

[slender thorn]

Fatboy wasnt solution :(

Im ruined as a dwarf

How could fatboy not solve everything

[wraith shard]

stage 2 on the EDD is impossible

help me

[severe tusk]

What's the problem?

[tacit jungle]

I joined a public EDD game and got carried by a couple of level 1000s, easy as pie

[unkempt dew]

Honestly just happy I wasn’t useless my first deep dive

[wooden rapids]

how can you tell what difficulty a deep dive is? or is it always round 1 is 3.5, round 2 is 4, and round 3 is 4.5?

[glossy walrus]

always 3/3.5/3.5 for dd, 4.5/5/5.5 for edd

[wraith shard]

yeah imma pass on this week's EDD, I'm not a fan of industrial sabotage, especially not if it's in an EDD

[naive lake]

EDD stage 2 is rough. just had 2 different hosts disband/abort when things start going bad on the second hack c :/

dont know if i want to bother trying again

[ancient cove]

How have they killed the Caretaker, any special strategy?

[glossy walrus]

there's a lot of fun strats that are specific to caretaker since that fight is completely different from fights against bugs, this thread has some nice tips: https://old.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/qv618r/guide_to_sabotage_tips_and_tricks_vs_the_caretaker/

[wraith shard]

I had that happen on my 2nd try

host was staring at our driller and then decided to DC

since I already have every weapon overclock, I guess I'll just do the regular DD

[naive lake]

going for my 3rd try. wish me luck lol

[wraith shard]

good luck

[ancient cove]

nice, thanks

[tacit jungle]

Nothing special. Don't die, keep shooting. The one weird trick I didn't see mentioned is that tentacles die in one power attack plus one regular pickaxe hit

[pseudo spade]

How's the DD this week? Anything about it really stand out bad?

[tacit jungle]

Chasing down all morkite on first stage was a little annoying and stage 3 had unusual amount of enemies and especially wardens for me. It's just DD tho

[pseudo spade]

I get antsy any time I see aquarq. There was a specific EDD that had an aquarq + morkite mission in Dense Biozone that put the fear of Glod into me, so to speak.

[unreal copper]

EDD was really tough this week, failed twice on the sabotage, and third try was dicey

[naive lake]

YOO just beat edd 😄

3rd times the charm haha

exploder + sabotage is so annoying, cutting off your connection a bunch of times

[wraith shard]

nice, i take it the 3rd stage was easier than the 2nd?

[naive lake]

second was like, constantly stressful cause of all the exploders, but 3rd stage our team nearly got wiped

we had swarm + egg swarm

in a tight cave

iron will came in clutch tho

id say 3rd is easier, since its a lot shorter, but if you get wiped, its gonna be a pain cause u gotta go through stage 2 again

for stage 2, you really need driller to clear out all the posts at the second hack c

makes it a lot easier

[flat crest]

Sabotage with exploders was a frustrating combination indeed

Stage 3 had quite a vertical kinda layout, which was a struggle for me to fight in
When I'm driller caves can be nice to funnel, as gunner I like more open spaces so I can move around more and have an easier time kiting

[old siren]

This EDD is the least enjoyable one I've played in ages

In fact Caretaker missions needs to go

[uneven lichen]

But they just got here

Well, last season that is

[severe tusk]

I suspect they are just harder for the people who did not like them and so avoided learning how to play them.

[glossy walrus]

it doesn't hurt that the strats you use against caretaker are different from the ones you use against bugs

cover matters a ton more rather than just kiting

[hollow citrus]

complex 1 sabos just need more nitra

currently it's about half the original amount

[lament musk]

there's enough nitra even if you go into stage 2 with less nitra than you need for a resupply

[strange elbow]

Hey I'm somewhat new to deep dives but if I do a deep dive will it refresh the options in my forge? I'm looking for a specific overclock but I'm not sure how to get it

[lament musk]

the overclocks in your forge remain as they are, what you want is to find new ones to add to the list, or to use blank cores and charge them after completing a machine event in a normal stage

hunting for a specific overclock can take quite a lot of time given how many there are in the game

[strange elbow]

oh ok, thank you!

[tall meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565850434376302613/1040822818289491999/20221111185539_1.jpg

actual fun EDD

still hate pinballs in tunnels for main cause of death

[amber scaffold]

Any tips for stage 2 of the deep dive?

[thorn jewel]

this is my suspicion as well

people who did not build for single target struggled with the caretaker

I ended up duoing a 4p caretaker with my gunner, since he was just using hellfire/dealing with swarms of bots, and I was focusing boss/tentacles

[thorn jewel]

EDD or DD?

[amber scaffold]

EDD, sorry

[thorn jewel]

speed

[thorn jewel]

have scout do his best to ignore swarms/pop quarks and chuck them closer towards base

if you can manage the communication and ability to control dread, the other 3 can start the dread and keep him slowed/cced/dead while scout works on quarking

PE is always "speed is the essence by which you live by" or you die to overwhelming swarm numbers

[amber scaffold]

Thanks

[tall meadow]

isn't this DD

EDD stage 2 is industrial sabo

[amber scaffold]

For IS im guessing I need good single target damage that's not dependant on status effects?

[thorn jewel]

yes, they said DD, read up.

[thorn jewel]

yes

I ran hipster+embed detos

and relied on teammates for swarms

[tall meadow]

I must be hallucinating because I see him clearly saying "EDD, sorry"

[thorn jewel]

ah yte

[fluid cliff]

if it happens again you’re in a lot of trouble

[thorn jewel]

maybe I was hallucinating then

[tall meadow]

exactly

[glossy walrus]

IS uses different strats than vs bugs, most people never learned them, check this thread for a bunch of good ones

[thorn jewel]

I disagree with flamethower, its much harder to ignite nowadays

but that being said idk what else you'd use

sludge good for bugs, not for boss

cryo seems also bug oriented, not boss oriented

[drifting parrot]

Sludge is pretty good for boss, just gotta build it right

[thorn jewel]

ah good then

[drifting parrot]

sludge blast works okay, as does VIM

[thorn jewel]

I just know the driller I had was using flamethrower and it seemed mostly ineffective

[drifting parrot]

Ice Spear is also pretty good

[thorn jewel]

he wasn't solo igniting any bots at all, I ended up killing all of em with hipster

[drifting parrot]

at the cost of being medeocre against anything else

[mystic scarab]

Isn't ice spear good for single target, since it does like 500 damage

And frozen enemies take triple damage

I think

I'm still new

[thick ridge]

the issue is they nerfed it

u used to be able to continue shooting while charging ice spear so it was possible to time the freeze to happen just before it landed

bit hard to pull off, but was great vs any enemy with a short freeze duration

[drifting parrot]

Ice Spear is good for the caretaker

(and you can still spear oppressors if you time it perfect

[unique ore]

flame is still better for taking down bots than the alternatives

[fluid cliff]

hyperprop still doinks them

[thorn jewel]

we were talking driller primaries

[thorn jewel]

good to know though, he was just struggling

[sand coyote]

Why is the tentacle so funny this edd

[feral atlas]

the part where it seems to be 1 shotting?

[severe tusk]

Against caretaker as Driller, I still like Flamethrower and Wave Cooker and save throwing axes for the eye.

[vapid hinge]

What mod and oc you run on both weapon?

[severe tusk]

22221 Compact Feed Valves for Flamethrower and 13123 Mega Power Supply Wave Cooker.

[grave narwhal]

Fun fact: I finished Stage 2 of this week's Deep Dive without any resupply. Here's the full solo run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1dlVkFSDM

[vapid hinge]

bruh get this dwarf some beer

[vapid hinge]

i see tq

[grave narwhal]

To Karl! 🍻

[violet mauve]

Tough? I found it to be pretty easy.

Literally only the third EDD I ever finished.

[vapid hinge]

You lad are built different.

[violet mauve]

Maybe? I mean, I do think I was also lucky.

Especially my genius realisation to
a) make a double swarm on stage 3
b) block half of the tunnel with pancakes to take care of the enemies of one side first, then the other side

Ironically that was also the only stage where I died (once, total).

[wraith shard]

If you aren't preparing the rooms stage 3 is gonna be a death pit. They are so small and cramped that it's easy to get overwhelmed by the 5.5 hazard lethal enemies

I barely managed to get out on solo gunner without prep

[violet mauve]

That's true. There is that one room that has a very steep ramp downward. That's where I died. Then there is a long tunnel with a sharp 90° turn. That was where I did my pancaking trick. The lucky part was that no Oppressor came from the upper tunnel.

Else it would have dug my barricade open and I probably would've lost.

[wraith shard]

Yeah I had to skirt around in the egg room to not die to the swarms

I was preparing a double egg with bosco to try and get out ASAP, but messed up in a way where I had to fight the swarm

Thankfully the sabo stage had a helluva load of nitra

[violet mauve]

Yeh. The one critical part there was the second Hacksy. It was the room with the cylinder-shaped walkway. Hacksy landed in a tiny pit.

[wraith shard]

Otherwise stage 1 and 2 were easy

[violet mauve]

Getting the connection was easy, but surviving that hacking was decidedly harder.

[wraith shard]

I could see it in that second one

One of them was in an open space

[violet mauve]

The actual Caretaker fight was almost ridiculously easy by comparison.

[pine epoch]

I remember I barely made it out on EDD stage 3.
The whole team was down, I was out of IW, so I just drilled straight to the drop pod and glided around until it opened.

Actually, correction: I think I had my IW left, but I had to use it as I was gliding around

[violet mauve]

Anyway, if you care to know my build for soloing:
Engineer with Veteran Depositor, Resupplier, Deep Pockets, Iron Will, Beastmaster, 3212 armour
Stubby with 21222 EMRB
Shard Diffractor with 11111 Efficiency Tweaks
Pickaxe with 13
Sentry with 2112
Platform Gun with 211
Shredder Swarm Grenade
Bosco with 21333

[wraith shard]

The only real worry on stage 1 is the surprise bulk. But it's a wide open space so it worked out

[violet mauve]

I didn't have any Bulks, so that was also lucky I guess.

[wraith shard]

I do take my time in solo so I'm likely to see them

Gunner Resupplier, Sweet Tooth, Deep Pockets, Field Medic (Take Dash instead, this is just my generic build), Iron Will, Armor 1112
Hurricane 21212 Jet Fuel Homebrew
Coilgun 22123 Ultra Magnetic Coils
Pick 11
Shield 221 (Max AoE + Cooldown)
Zipline 211
Sticky Grenade
Bosco 31133

That's the build I used, and will continue using with some alterations maybe

[violet mauve]

What's important is that it works for you.

[wraith shard]

Like you totally could run Hellfire. I just prefer to run UMC for this build

[violet mauve]

For example I don't understand the Coilgun.

So I don't use it.

Same for EPC.

[wraith shard]

Coilgun is a weird case of "Only has one functional build"

As in, go with the trails. Single target damage builds are awkward to use

[thorn jewel]

I don’t understand IW solo

Bosco is like 4 IWs, I’d rather take HS for more anti-grabber re positioners or anti-leech bullshit

Or steeve for a psuedo pheromone canister on gunner

[wraith flame]

Hey bud just for future ref ppl really like knowing your load out when you do this. Easy way to do that is just press the ESC and click the ammo icon on the right side of the screen.

Good job

[violet mauve]

4?

What?

[thorn jewel]

3? 4? I don’t remember

I know he has a lot of revives

[violet mauve]

On a 21333 loadout, he has 3.

[thorn jewel]

Gotcha

[violet mauve]

And Iron Will is simply something I have on every loadout.

[thorn jewel]

Was less aimed at you and aimed at the gunner solo build

[violet mauve]

Ah, fair enough.

[thorn jewel]

He has plenty of firepower to deal with everything, 4 revives is an option there more imo

[violet mauve]

On that note, I do should get the DD going.

[wraith shard]

what should i pick

[grave narwhal]

Understood. Thank you for the feedback and for watching the video. I really appreciate it. 🙂

[hidden adder]

What are the best Active Perks for Engi.

I mostly use Beastmaster + Heigthened Senses for Solo, but when I tried on Multiplayer, I got people complaining, why I don't have Iron Will

Is it a must?

[worthy epoch]

Iron will can save missions, but it is in no way a must imho. There is no must in DRG, which is part of the beauty of the game.
Play what is fun and works for you.

[torn verge]

dash is the best active perk for everyone but scout
and the second best perk is either iron will or field medic
play with what you want, but if what you want is to be the most effective, those are the optimal choices
honorary mentions to shield link and see you in hell

[orchid vector]

Iron Will is a good perk because it’s always a safe bet, but of course as you said, there’s no need to always take it. That is exactly what I like about it.

[hidden adder]

Thanks!

[torn verge]

dash is also really fun

[hidden adder]

It was the first time I deep dived elite with multiplayer. I didn't expect players who were a little too competitive.

[torn verge]

well elite deep dives are the hardest available content in the game

drg can be pretty chill, but EDDs are gonna attract players who want to be good
and this week's EDD is notably hard

[hidden adder]

Yes, I realised 😦

A million sploders everywhere + Sabotage

[inland dome]

We are in h e l l

EDD is hell

H e l l

[hidden adder]

Save a Friend, Explode
Resupply, Explode
Pick up Red Sugar, Explode
Killing Sploders, Robot Shredders appear suddenly .
Killing Robots, Explode

Playing Engi is like Playing a Support, but you support everyone and no one supports you, only your Steeve and Molly xD

[limpid pond]

To be honest, yes. An Iron Will can turn a full wipe into a win, preemptively prevent wipes by self-reviving in nasty situations, as well as let you push the objective while completely invincible. No other perk lets you do that. And barring Dash and Field Medic, the alternative actives are simply mild conveniences that don't have nearly the same mission-saving potential.

Brought IW, but didn't use it? The mission wasn't that hard then. Needed IW, but didn't bring it? 3 other people got fucked over because you didn't equip it.

[hollow citrus]

sabo seems to be a stumbling block for most people this week

[limpid pond]

It's a terribly designed perk that warps all balance around itself, and frankly I wish GSG would delete it. But most people seem to have the perception that IW is "bad" or "niche", somehow, so that'll never happen.

[limpid pond]

And also, about your multiplayer active choice: Beastmaster and Heightened Senses are great solo specifically because they act as substitutes for what other dwarves would be capable of. In multiplayer, they're redundant and almost never going to provide as much value combined as Field Medic by itself for example.

[inland dome]

Not even resupp or save a friend

Walk for 0.5 seconds, explode

Stop sprinting for 1 second, explode

Don't have dash, explode

Restart hackc, explode

Not exploding? Shredder swarm

[limpid pond]

FOR REAL THO
Engi with randos is like bumping up the Hazard by 1. No one wants to build your sentries, no one stays in the safe zone you create even when you ask, and everyone just runs off and gets picked off by themselves and you have to pick up their slack. Every damn time.

[inland dome]

Question

For dd, is the spawn pool consistent

[limpid pond]

If the host and Molly are in the same places every time, usually yes

[inland dome]

Dang

Man I feel like I left swarm size mod on

Every exploder swarm we got was so massive it turned a whole wall to slag

It was like 30 per

And each shredder swarm spawn from the caretaker was equally as bad

[limpid pond]

Also, before someone says "Just don't die 4Head", Iron Will's existence gives you the safety net to play quicker and more aggressively. You can keep mining that Aquarq, sit in the uplink, or blasting into that Dreadnought when you shouldn't simply because you can hold space to continue doing it. Iron Will is the ultimate momentum preserver and bounce back mechanic.

[inland dome]

We had 4 people with IW in stage 2 edd and we were still slaughtered at around half caretaker health

I can't imagine without

How

[smoky gorge]

idk how we did it but we succeed the edd on the first try with a cry driller and cry minelet scout lmao

[blissful tundra]

did the edd twice

but second time last stage we had swarm + egg swarm + someone called drop pod

I had to run on my own with 0 ammo into the drop pod, timed right to immediately enter

still made it

[hoary patrol]

Second stage was tough but we did it. I'm awful at industrial sabotage so I just focused on killing sniper turrets with engi's lock on gun.

[blissful tundra]

ye I used sludge charge to insta kill them

[violet mauve]

Wow, this week's DD is harsh with the Morkite in the first mission.

There's maybe 270 total. You need 250.

I ran the whole cave up and down three times.

[wintry sable]

Just played with 3 rando's and somehow we finished EDD first try

[hidden adder]

The feels is there

[wraith shard]

Don't think too hard about my build lol. As I said it's a generalist that I also use in multiplayer.

As for solo I do think Iron Will is still worth running despite "Lol why would you bother because Bosco is 3-4 revives" when most of my bosco builds only get 2 because the utility he provides instead of those revives is pretty relevant in not wasting much time (Mining speed and Elec bullets for the utility and for the damage + slow, respectively)

[hidden adder]

Alright I tried out Iron Will and Field Medic, to replace the two perks I mostly use in Solo, its a pretty drastic change.

Though, I will miss Steeve 😭

[wraith shard]

And it's just a good perk. What else are you running that has the same impact anyways ? For solo you never take Field Medic that's a given, so Dash + Whatever else is going to be your pick.

Beast Master ? Berserker ?

I guess heightened senses ?

[fluid cliff]

one of those yeah

[wraith shard]

For what it's worth the Iron Will can be way better then a Bosco revive because you get I-frames to do stuff. Killing bugs is the main one, clutching a deposit or task is another, smaller one

But also this is the kinda game where in vanilla Solo you can pretty much just do anything, assuming you go with Bosco. DRG isn't hard once you have the awareness of the things that can kill you

Well, hard most of the time. The game will eventually throw a big wrench in your plans with terrain generation + constant, big swarms on you, and you are going to need more then perks to get out of those situations

[fluid cliff]

you get iframes in a bosco revive too

and you don’t need to heal

[wraith shard]

Iron Will lasts for way longer tho

[fluid cliff]

they’re the same

3 or 6 seconds depending on if you have the mod

[wraith shard]

Iron Will's effect lasts 12 seconds

Maxed

[fluid cliff]

that’s how long you stay upright

not how long you have iframes

[wraith shard]

that ... is what I was referring to with the Iframes

[fluid cliff]

iframes is invincibility

it’s not 12 seconds

[wraith shard]

And Iron Will is effectively invicibility for 12 seconds, you just happen to have no HP so you die the moment it wears off

Hence why it even counts as a revive when you get health

[fluid cliff]

this is a certified confidently incorrect moment

[limpid pond]

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Iron_Will#Perk_Breakdown

[wraith shard]

If you want to argue semantics, I-frames is literally "Invicibility Frames"

And a frame is just a count of time

[fluid cliff]

yeah I get it

[wraith shard]

You usually see it referred as iframes when it's a somewhat small amount of time (less then a second, mostly). Bosco/multiplayer revive being 3-6 seconds depending on armor tier means it doesn't go there either

You could argue it's not precise enough but the idea is the same

And to think this conversation all started because I decided to post my jank build

[fluid cliff]

I don’t use iron will much any more but I see your point

[wraith shard]

And I don't think it's required either. Hell most of the time it does nothing because you don't die.

[fluid cliff]

I like heightened sense and berzerker a lot for solo

i’ll take iron will on driller where I’m taking iron will anyways

[wraith shard]

I do genuinely think Berzerker is underrated even in multiplayer

[fluid cliff]

w/o vampire iron will is a tough sell for me solo

[wraith shard]

Well part of what makes solo easy is that you have hella nitra, right ?

[fluid cliff]

yeah

[wraith shard]

You can prepare a supply drop in advance if needed, meaning resupplier is a fine alternative

With the Bosco revive you need the extra invincibility time on revive to get there (EDIT: As in, before you get your ass eaten by bugs again)

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I haven’t left the rig without resupplier on any class since I started

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With Iron Will you still have time leftover to kill things

And that matters

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Ime iron will does provide invincibility for the 12 seconds

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yeah we’ve moved on

it’s early I haven’t had my coffee

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To move on, I will say this : This week's EDD stage 3 is unassuming from the task description. Don't just blindly rush rooms/eggs or the swarms will overwhelm you