deep-dive-discussion

[hoary cove]

ye ppl complain about it way too much

[limpid pond]

"Less" as in "literally numerically less because the devs decided Engineer needed at least one shitty gun"

[hoary cove]

all of engi's primaries are pretty similiar in power imo, just loki having bad mod tree

[spiral depot]

Well you need less because you can't miss

[limpid pond]

...which becomes the most OP primary with Explosive Chemical Rounds

[marble veldt]

It has the second highest base ammo pool out of all engi primaries

The only thing holding it back is the mod tree yeah

And then again, pretty strong OCs to kind of balance it out

[limpid pond]

"Balance out" as in "If you get lucky with your 6 allotted gacha rolls this week you can have fun with this weapon"

If Overclocks could be handpicked it'd be a fair argument, but it's not because the Overclock system is a joke

[hoary cove]

its not like haz 5 is not doable with the base guns

[marble veldt]

Whole other topic there

But fair enough

[hoary cove]

ocs just make haz 5 alot easier

[fluid cliff]

you need to play for like a month to have a serviceable OC list

it’s not a huge deal

[hoary cove]

iv been cosplaying a greenbeard and joining haz 5 lobbies lately and its been stressful but hella fun

[limpid pond]

"You need to wait 5 real world weeks, not because of actual progress, but a timer, to have fun loadouts" is acceptable? It's the worst thing about the entire game, and I still don't get why so many defend it

[fluid cliff]

I’m impartial more that I’m actually defending it

it keeps me coming back

[hoary cove]

the main thing i like about it is that it encourages ppl to play different classes. I do think they shud prob let new players get more ocs per week tho, especially if they add more ocs for old guns like they promised

[fluid cliff]

an OC for your class every third promotion would be enough

to get people on track

[hoary cove]

even without ocs the game has quite a bit of content rn, 6 weapons for each class is alot to play around with for a month imo

[limpid pond]

"Some choice is better than none" was literally the absolute minimum "change", and it got unanimous praise. People will praise the farts that come out of Ghost Ship's ass because they're "indie". And it makes me mad even more because trying to change anything about how you get OCs with mods gets auto-Sandboxed for "affecting progression".

[fluid cliff]

my first overclock was cycle overload and it’s near and dear to my heart

also good af but

still

[limpid pond]

It's literally the thing that stopped all my friends from wanting to keep playing with me and everyone just keeps telling me "Nah bro this is good game design bro you're just a leaf lover bro" 🥲

[fluid cliff]

need new friends

once I got rj250 I have played every day

I refuse to take it off

weeeeeeee

[limpid pond]

Yeah, they should just put up with FOMO gachas because a based indie dev did it. What a bunch of elves, amirite?

[fluid cliff]

idk

if there was viable competition for this game I might play that

but there isn’t

I will take what I can get

and complain on occasion

[hoary cove]

ig i just found the base gameplay fun enough that i didnt need ocs to keep me entertained while i waited for new ones

[limpid pond]

"It's not AAA" and "Free updates tho" is the sole defense used against every criticism of the game and I'm tired of it

[fluid cliff]

I do like free, and value per dollar spent is insane

it could ofc be better

[hoary cove]

depends on the criticism ig

[limpid pond]

If I hated it, I wouldn't even be talking here, or putting 1,400+ hours into it, or making mods for it. But goddamn, this fanbase is a total hugbox.

[limpid pond]

Oh yeah, I forgot about "You're a leaf lover"

[fluid cliff]

step 1 is don’t take anything on reddit or main discord seriously

[hoary cove]

most ppl play the game pretty casually and thats fine

[limpid pond]

I think being funny little dwarves is pretty funny, but god, I hate the cringe fantasy racism subculture. Now I get a bunch of people calling me fictional slurs any time I disagree with them.

[hoary cove]

the ppl i play with are good enough at the game that on haz 5 we bring whatevr the fuck we want and its usually fine

[marble veldt]

Same here. On top of not looking up OCs and just testing whatever I got each week.
Granted, there were "only" 4 weapons per class back then

[limpid pond]

I mean, yeah, the fact that I'm continuing this conversation implies that happened to me too. But if OCs really are that totally irrelevant to fun, why are they so limited?

[marble veldt]

I couldn't give you an answer

That's one of the many design mysteries of DRG

[unreal wyvern]

I play solo, I play scout, I don't think I can solo a deep dive, I've never completed one, I'll keep trying.

[hoary cove]

ye maybe its cus im comparing the older version of the game to the current one, but i think just unlocking all the guns in the game rn wud take a while for a new player. actually testing them out wud prob take awhile too. Im also of the opinion that if u only play 1 or 2 classes u shudnt really complain about not getting ocs u like, but thats my hot take lel

[marble veldt]

And probably something that was implemented a long time ago and never changed before it actually became an issue

[unreal wyvern]

Most of the time I play solo because of social anxiety, what I've noticed is that im stuck being unable to finish a DD and it's making me feel like I should stop playing.

[limpid pond]

What exactly's stopping you?

[unreal wyvern]

Ammo/me dying/an elite bulk detonator shoved firmly up my ass. usually i just get overwhelmed by bugs.

Replace my dying with gravity because I haven't gotten special powder in like 300 hours

[flat crest]

Social anxiety can be really tough. Would it help to try joining random lobby ingame with others? Or maybe be in a one on one call first and try it duo?

[unreal wyvern]

I tried that but I just choke and end up messing things up for 3 other dudes and I'd rather spare them that mess

I don't have friends that play video games.

I'm just gonna try to take my time

Maybe I can do it it's just going to take a while.

[limpid pond]

Ammo definitely shouldn't be an issue solo. You're either going too slowly, or not finding enough Nitra. Move quickly, focus the objectives and Nitra.
Fall damage, you just learn to avoid that with experience, no trick there.
Elite Bulks, use CC. IFGs, focus Bosco on it with Overcharged Rounds for the Electrocute, use Pheros to distract it. Scout should easily be able to dodge and whittle Bulks down.

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[fluid cliff]

you must be talking about me in that EDD

[fresh coyote]

I did it! Finished my first edd woot

Almost did it solo but a bulk detonator on 3rd mission had other plans, downed me 3 times in a row

Went in after with a random driller*, we did it in an hour, went 7/0 revives/deaths which I'm pretty stoked about

[echo storm]

woot woot

idk it took 6 months of doing all my weeklies and events to get all the overclocks

not too bad i would say

[fresh coyote]

Oh I just jumped in dds as soon as I finished getting the first promotion on all the dwarves

[mortal cliff]

if you do everything week to week it takes 21 weeks to attain all weapon OCs

not to mention all special assignments that are available during events but that's like 6 OCs/ year extra

[echo storm]

yeah im just collecting cosmetic ones now

I have 80 blank cores,,

[gray panther]

How is tihs EDD?

[echo storm]

average

3rd stage requires some planning with the resup cause low o2

[gray panther]

Is anyone running an NA east EDD?

[amber estuary]

how is the DD?

[gray panther]

I found the regular DD pretty easy

[amber estuary]

saw hollow bough and cringed least favorite biome

[gray panther]

It's not that bad tbh.

[blissful ledge]

Late reply but I find it way more fun when you have a team with varied skill level. Tbh the most exciting part of the game is saving the scout who got leeched into a 200 foot cavern, or trying to recover when your engi accidentally fat-boys the whole team, or the panic that ensues when the driller tunnels your team directly over a cliff and half the squad falls in. "Screwing up", creating messes, and finding your way out, is sort of the point of the whole game. As a newer player myself who recently started trying EDDs, people are generally super helpful and friendly.

I know it might come off like "just don't be anxious 4head", and by all means keep playing solo if you're having fun, just wanted to offer some perspective. Messing up is a huge part of this game and IMO, it's why DRG is so much fun.

[fluid cliff]

I agree with everything but fat boying the team

that’s just bad play

getting leeched happens

driller going over a cliff is funny

nuking the team mid swarm is not funny

[blissful ledge]

I feel ya, but I guess my point is that bad play is part of the learning process. Obviously don't point nukes at your whole team for the laughs, but I'm not one to get salty if the greenbeard hits me with some friendly fire

[flat crest]

Learning/messing up, part of the process. As long as people try to communicate and listen to each other and not random afk-ing or whatnot 🙂

[wraith flame]

"To have fun load outs, the base loadouts are fun my guy. Chill.

[echo storm]

yeah i mean i have accidentally killed a scout with hyper prop and fatboy

and its definitely funnier during an edd when the stakes are higher

[jolly hazel]

scout and gunner in particular are extremely bland without overclocks

[lament musk]

[viscid light]

mostly scout

definitely still fun but the guns are the most eh

[solemn vine]

if you start a Deep dive with 4 people and one person leaves/is kicked does it stay at 4p difficulty or drop to 3?

[tardy girder]

i think it'll go back to 3P scaling

[brave lodge]

ik that the difficulties chage w player ount on normal missions

[solemn vine]

only wondering cause the black box still had four arrows on the uplink speed after someone left

[remote kettle]

Ho everyone! Do you know why Steam didn't give me the achievement for completing a deep dive? I completed my first one the other day and it didn't give it to me

[wraith flame]

Not sure why but don't worry, you can always try again.

[dusk jolt]

failing a + 1 hour deep dive at 1 am

last stage

D:

[blissful ledge]

Sadge

[dusk jolt]

Sadge indeed

[feral heath]

I think it will be nice to have Deep Rock Galactic movie. What do you think community?

[solemn vine]

im gonna say no. mainly cause it would cost a bunch of money and take the devs away from developing

[dusk jolt]

I think you would get more replies if you reply in #drg-chat

[blissful ledge]

It’s just 45 minutes of “rock and stone!” followed by highlight reels of driller blowing up teammates

[dusk jolt]

perfect 🤌

[limpid pond]

Everyone knows gameplay focused games with very light story make the best films

[feral heath]

true

[wraith shard]

How's the default dive this week?

[echo storm]

easy

[sage solar]

both are pretty easy

just have a 4 man team

[lost wing]

@sage jay here, check pinned messages

[lime meteor]

Solo edd is pretty damn difficult but with the 4 man team it was fine yeah

[lime meteor]

I think solo edd is possible but losing to the twins twice on the last stage due to bad swarm spawns cut my patience

[viscid light]

solo edd is pretty doable if you understand that bosco is an insane utility in all situations

[brave lodge]

getting 4 ppl for an edd is hard

[trail pivot]

Thursday or bust tbh

Gotta stare at that board to get in

[fresh coyote]

Try going duo, felt alot easier than a full party and you only need 1 other person

[wraith flame]

Typically only takes like 10 minutes max for me usually.

[warm cypress]

two people has relatively high chance of both dying at once though? compared to 3, or 1 where you have guaranteed revives

[limpid pond]

You underestimate the effects of solo enemy scaling + double the resupplies for both of you

[warm cypress]

I think 3 person works pretty well tbh

engineer feels less useful than the other classes

[bold maple]

idk hes pretty volatile

[limpid pond]

3 players is the hardest, the scaling is very close to 4P but you're down a dwarf

[bold maple]

engy has the most ridiculous builds

straight up OP stuff

also yeah 2 player is easiest

[warm cypress]

the secondary weapon's good

but the utility items are really not great

[balmy stone]

Engineer has absolutely insane cc potential

[warm cypress]

and primary weapon's bad

[bold maple]

he has some sick primary builds. they dont tend to outshine his secondaries still

not all primary builds are really amazing though

[limpid pond]

In terms of difficulty, from easiest to hardest, I'd say 2P > 1P > 4P > 3P

[bold maple]

1 and 2p haz 5 is a bit of a snoozefest

3 and 4p is where its at

[limpid pond]

But then stuff like Escort with Warnings is straight up unfair for lower player counts, but fairly easy for the higher ones

[bold maple]

stuff just gets neutered hard on 1p

no health, lower speed i think, less bugs

[limpid pond]

You also have stuff like PE being easier 1P than 2P

[bold maple]

as a general rule yes, but with 2 really good players probably not

a good scout with a solid mobility OC will definitely out-do bosco at aquarqs

but you dont always get someone trying to play that fast, which is fine

[limpid pond]

Maybe in Sandblasted, no Scout can beat Mining Expert Bosco in mining out heavy objects

[bold maple]

he takes more time to bring them in however

[limpid pond]

That's more a Driller thing, and then Driller struggles with ceiling ones

[bold maple]

special powder scout can fly over to it in a second, mine it and then help them to the minehead quick

honestly depends on the mission though

if the aquarq is close

[limpid pond]

Yeah

[solar reef]

My understanding is that uncovering alien eggs can trigger a swarm, and that swarms don't happen when a dreadnaught is alive. Is it possible to collect both eggs during a dreadnaught fight to avoid a swarm on the 2nd stage of the EDD?

[limpid pond]

Timer swarms don't happen while a Dreadnought is alive. You will die if you attempt that.

[solar reef]

D:

I thought I was so clever, thank u

[modern moat]

is it better to bring the wavecooker with the cryocooker, or is it better to bring subata ?

also do the neurotoxin still damage frozen enemy ?

[modern moat]

fyi, i am trying to do EDD as a solo driller

[fresh coyote]

like others said, the scaling is the same as 1p so you're basically replacing bosco with another dwarf. It becomes even easier if one of you or both took Iron Will

I managed to get to the 3rd stage in this week's edd solo without deaths, and this is my first week doing dd's in general so yeah solo/duo is definitely alot easier than a full party or 3 dwarves

[limpid pond]

Subata is pretty weak offensively without Explosive Reload, and ER's Internal damage doesn't benefit from Frozen. Both EPC and Colette Wave Cooker are fine for just temperature shocking, but EPC is a lot better as a standalone weapon, with the exception of CWC's Blistering Necrosis being absurd with Ice Storm. Tbh you're better off using Corrosive Sludge Pump over Cryo Cannon this Dive, solo Cryo blows vs Twins.

[modern moat]

I rarely use EPC since I rarely use it's charge shot

[limpid pond]

Yes, but it doesn't receive the damage boost

[modern moat]

I use radiation on my CWC

Haven't got the other OC

[limpid pond]

Well with Cryo Cannon you're mostly gonna be using the normal shots, but the charged shots are literally the best thing about EPC. Thin Containment Field is bonkers. 240 Fire damage in a 3 meter radius. One-shots Tri-Jaws, chunks Praetorians, mines minerals. Absolute Swiss Army knife mod.

[lusty shuttle]

Can a Deep Dive/EDD have double XP modifier on one of its missions?

[limpid pond]

No

[tardy girder]

no, pretty certain that some mutators will never show up in DDs

[hoary cove]

never use subata with cryo unless its ice storm and explosive reload

the subata is god awful at killing frozen bugs

[lime meteor]

Every mutator and anomaly can show up

haunted cave on escort or salvage is impossible tho but I'm not sure if black box counts

but I'm gonna guess it does count

[modern moat]

I was doing the normal DD, I did not expect they can spawn hoarder lol

first time I got minerals in DD

[brave lodge]

i didnt see one, i thought the deep dives had seeded special enemies

[glossy walrus]

it's seeded but the number of players affects static spawns

[brave lodge]

interesting

[mortal cliff]

What about automatic fire

[wraith shard]

Subata with the automatic fire overclock is awesome ngl

[hoary cove]

still very bad because the subata has low base dmg and relies on either weakpoint multipliers or explosive reload to up its dps. Cryo does not effect either of these so epc just ends up being better regardless of what oc you use

[mortal cliff]

On pret you gonna deal 17x15x3 damage (756 dmg) where with EPC thats gonna be only 320 dmg (200 temp shock and 120 from one projectile)

[sage solar]

Just use explosive reload if you’re going with subata its the best you’re going to get it too

[jolly hazel]

I use automatic fire because I dont want carpal tunnel syndrome

long term thinking

[limpid pond]

Well with the logic of full mag dump, TCF instead of Plasma Burn lets Heavy Hitter do 40 x 9 x 3 = 1,080 damage. Also, Plasma Burn HH lets you one shot Frozen Grunt Guards. Subata can't do that.

Subata is pretty much only good for Explosive Reload builds with CRSPR or Sludge Pump, there's nothing it really offers Cryo Cannon that EPC can't do.

[pure cedar]

Damn, low oxygen EDD missions always translate into fun endings haha

[solemn vine]

what if you dont have any EPC OCs but have explosive reload and full auto

[limpid pond]

21322 ER: ((15 x 3) + 42) x 8 = 696 damage from one magazine on Frozen target
12322 base EPC normals: 25 x 15 x 3 = 1,1125 damage before overheating on Frozen target
Automatic Fire doesn't affect damage and hardly buffs DPS, so no reason to consider it

EPC isn't even any good for full unloads on big targets honestly, that's what your Axes are for

[jolly hazel]

with fire+weakpoint it buffs dmg quite a bit

[limpid pond]

Volatile Bullets with Cryo Cannon?

[jolly hazel]

full auto deals with mactera swarms quicker due to huge weakpoint bonus on their bellies (plus +dmg on fire mod combined with how easy it is to light mactera on fire)+dont have to reload to do full damage, meaning you dont have to shift targets to apply explosives on mactera 2 and 3 while mactera 1 is still lining up its shot

or if you choose to reload after each application, it let's mactera 3 line up its shot

its a niche case but its the only thing I really use subata for besides shredding on fire praetorians/faces hosting guard/slashers

[jolly hazel]

I dont think I've seen a gunner bring volatile bullets in months

also tbh explosive reload isn't THAT much dmg because it's shitty subata

most use i get is one tapping spitters

[limpid pond]

Volatile Bullets is the Subata mod you're referring to 💀

[jolly hazel]

I dont memorize those lol

volatile bullets with flamer

if you are running cryo anti mactera mod works too

extended magazine explosive reload takes maybe a third of the health bar off a praetorian

[limpid pond]

2131x Explosive Reload single mag damage: (12 x 1.8 + 42) x 8 = 508.8 damage
Single average 21x12 Hyper Propellant shot: 489.5 + 121 = 610.5 damage

And then Explosive Reload is even stronger vs burning targets with Volatile Bullets, and 2x and 3x weakpoints

Something many people do not notice is that unlike Embedded Detonators, Explosive Reload has no direct damage penalty. It's legitimately busted, but it's super overlooked because it's on one of the worst guns in the game

[jolly hazel]

explosive reload has no weakpoint mo difier either

[limpid pond]

Neither does Dets, but no one says that's bad because no frozen/weakpoint bonus

[jolly hazel]

because dets gets massive automatic rof and huge magazine size

hyper prop is overrated too imo

[limpid pond]

Tbh it's only busted because Turret EM Discharge and ECR are so free

Feels like it was balanced around Warthog when the other two primaries literally explode

Honestly I'm kinda bummed out by the TEMD nerf. Yeah, a mobile 2 Stubby ammo explosion made NTP look like Double Barrel, but it's so boring now.

Babying your sentries 24/7 isn't nearly as fun as having flying shockwave discs

I wish they added shooting unbuilt sentries back, but made the electric explosion cost a bunch of sentry ammo

It'd have an actual strategic penalty instead of only slightly less than infinity total damage but you have to shoot built empty sentries instead

[jolly hazel]

I thought it was sillye

em discharge unbuilt turret bombs thatcis

outside of elimination missions I am never glad I brought hyper prop

gee I sure am glad I almost killed a praetorian while eliminating my swarm clear potential

[limpid pond]

"Gee I sure am glad I instakilled that Menace, Spitballer, and Goo Bomber while still having a strong group clear primary with ECR." -Me every time I bring Hyper Propellant on non-Elims

3 shot kill with an IFG on H54P Bulks? Worthless, no use at all!

[jolly hazel]

ecr/anything other than warthog deals with the above fine

and if its not me playing engie, I am 10x more worried about engie not dealing with swarms than him killing a single target

[limpid pond]

Then don't worry? It's not like Engi's secondary is the only AoE in the game

You should save that worry for the Fat Boy Engis

[jolly hazel]

only been nuked twice

once by a non communicative

other one apologized and no harm done

drillers are worse

[limpid pond]

Fat Boy is a weirdly popular pick for Elims

[jolly hazel]

hes the best at it

chief symptom of bad engie is bugs are reaching you/chaff enemies are still alive

[jolly hazel]

ya I noticed this too

usually have to explain why its not great lol

[limpid pond]

And you accomplish that just fine with ECR AoEing bugs 50m away + Gemini Defenders + Proximity Mines

What Hyper Propellant does is stop the tanky bugs in their tracks

[jolly hazel]

I prefer to have everything dead so the big (slow) shit is focused by everyone

I despise proximity mines

so much team damage

thank you engineer for throwing them on the uplink

that really helps

[limpid pond]

Literally a skill issue

[jolly hazel]

yeah thats the problem

I cant control if my friendly neighborhood engie brings proxy mines

[limpid pond]

Tbh Engis are far more friendly fire prone than Drillers, but no one talks about that because ha ha funny c4!!!

Driller will accidentally satchel someone while demolishing and nothing really happens. Engineer will double Fat Boy the fuel cell and kill the mission.

[rotund snow]

Yeah just kill the stuff smh

mo better

[jolly hazel]

I see c4 fly around during dread fights a lot

[limpid pond]

I almost never do Elims with randos because of that one time an Engi Fat Boy'd a cocoon while everyone else was down

No one properly leads default, everyone unloads into Lacerator, no one knows how to get behind Hiveguard

[devout willow]

No halloween beer :(

[limpid pond]

And no one seems to bring actual Dread killer stuff. Yes, a lot of it is OC bound, but I think people should know better than to bring CRSPR + Fat Boy + Special Powder + Coil Gun

Scout never brings IFGs, the Engineer throws 20 Proxies on the Dread so no one can get near it, Driller will just rando Satchel toss and blow himself up

Unless it's like a triple Legendary 3 lobby, rando Elims are almost always a struggle

Same reason I've never trusted randos with Industrial Sabos. Like, here's the thing: Most mission types don't need to you actually communicate and cooperate all that well. Mining Expos, Egg Hunts, Refineries, you can demolish all those by just bumbling around, doing your own thing. Callouts, bringing synchronous loadouts, and agreeing on a specific strategy? Almost no one does that.

At least Build Inspector softens the pain...

Tbh Build Inspector should be base, someone dropping in with Cryo Cannon when I'm using Burning Hell, or me dropping in with Burning Hell when the Driller is using Cryo is such a pain in the ass

Seeing what other people are using in co-op games is pretty standard, don't know why DRG fans seem to think it's some ultimate source of toxicity.

[hollow citrus]

DDs next season are gonna get harder to pug for sure...

[bold maple]

Good for hiveguard

Other than that it's just small bonus dmg for driller

And screws up your team

As far as elims go

[glossy walrus]

yeah it's really nice on hiveguard, whereas the holes it makes in the ground from bad tosses are such a pain on everything else

esp when people use them in magma

[echo storm]

man when there is synergy in an elim its so nice

hyper prop cryo goodbye !!!

[blissful ledge]

I think the lack of a build inspector, along with hiding player level is part of the reason DRG has a reputation of being a very non-toxic beginner friendly game. As soon as you introduce fully-visible builds, a meta starts developing, ppl start calling you out for rocking a weird experimental build, and it adds somewhat of a barrier to entry for greenbeards. You’ll start getting lobbies like “TCF drillers only” and “NO AOE BUILDS”, shit like that. The upside of course, like you said, is that it’s way easier to coordinate a game plan and avoid negative synergies

Not saying DRG would instantly turn into moba level toxicity, I just think It might not fit the casual vibe that the devs clearly prioritize

[limpid pond]

You already get lobbies like that. And you can see player level in the Space Rig.

[lime meteor]

I think I can justify bringing ifgs to dreads because of jumbo shells

Too lazy to switch grenade for one mission type

and cryo only works for hive guard sentinels

[limpid pond]

Deep Rock does a lot much more than that to foster positivity instead of toxicity, and I don't think something that hinders co-operation is one of them. You're also speaking as if metagames aren't something that's an inherent and inevitable part of every game. Just look at how quick people are to shit on meta stuff like NTP or Sticky Fuel because they're "braindead OP" in #drg-chat

If anything, it helps foster the mindset of "It doesn't matter what you use", and hinders discussion about certain things being significantly weaker or stronger than others because "meta doesn't exist"

[next pebble]

[lime meteor]

[limpid pond]

It's the mindset that lead to Hurricane being buffed to be super OP because "Autocannon is still good, numbers don't matter"

[trail pivot]

i'm sure the devs will simply make the new enemies highly resistant to the current meta

or at least it would be fun

[limpid pond]

So what, we just flip from Fire to Cryo meta and vice versa every Season? Sounds terrible

[next pebble]

Devs generally don't care about other people's opinions in regards to balance

[limpid pond]

What's the point of the experimental branches then? Shits and giggles?

[rapid bone]

That and analytics data

[burnt sandal]

feedback and data

and they only check well constructed feedback

[limpid pond]

Of course

[burnt sandal]

and that doesn't mean they always take it into account

[limpid pond]

Well yeah, can't please everyone and all that, but what kind of obviously wrong statement is "None of them take feedback ever because it doesn't matter"?

That's literally exactly what I'm talking about

[limpid pond]

HURRICANE Guided Rocket System

• Increased the bonus of the T1 Increased Blast Radius upgrade
  Went from +0.5m -> +0.8m. For comparison, Max AoE Carpet Bomber/Neurotoxin Payload radius is 2.7m. Max AoE Fragmentation Missiles radius is 2.8m. Max AoE Minelayer System radius is 3.3m. Combine that with Hurricane's +50% weakpoint bonus, and you have something with both way better single target and AoE than Autocannon. I think GSG relies too much on pick rate and too little on actual practice. Hurricane gets buffed to obscenity and DRAK gets nerfs in the same update.

[burnt sandal]

and yet hurricane is not OP by any means and Drak is still very much as powerful as it was before.

Strange

[limpid pond]

Nerfing the ammo of a balanced primary because it committed the crime of being picked more than GK2. Nerf every primary at this rate.

[burnt sandal]

looks like you're making a lot of assumption. Did they specifically answered to that question in the way you assume they would ?

[limpid pond]

Why else would they do it?

[burnt sandal]

So you're just making assumptions.

[limpid pond]

S1 Sludge Pump got mod nerfs because they were picked "too much" when it was the weakest Driller primary by far

Minelayer got its ammo buffed when it was already two-shotting Grunts in a large radius

What else explains weird changes like that?

You know why Napalm-Infused Rounds got nerfed? Because every Gunner on Hoxxes was using it. Volatile Bullets dodged a nerf because it was deemed "unpopular" again. And when Hurricane's perfectly fine mods and OCs were deemed "unpopular", they got super buffed into making Hurricane OP again (T13, Minelayer)

If it was really all about "fairness", Volatile Bullets would've got a nerf too

[hollow veldt]

This is some great deep dive discussion lads. Stone and rock!

[cunning thistle]

Dives were not too bad. low o2 annoying as always but easy mission overall

[wraith flame]

Stone!

[hoary cove]

hurricane hasn’t really changed much besides napalm and minelayer tho

[limpid pond]

So you're saying it was always busted 🤔

[burnt sandal]

or that it never was

[limpid pond]

I doubt that

[hoary cove]

it’s always been very strong yes

again, the only major changes were napalm, which was busted, and minelayer which i agree got unreasonably buffed

[limpid pond]

Makes sense. Don't get why barring Napalm, it's basically got nothing but buffs, though

Minelayer gets an ammo and damage buff but Plasma Burster Missiles doesn't 😔

[hoary cove]

tier 1 aoe mod being buffed was also pretty nice for aoe builds but not game changing. If u were using frag missiles, salvo or jet fuel with stun, the gun has barely changed at all since release

[burnt sandal]

you clearly didn't play it during experimental

[limpid pond]

What was so different?

[burnt sandal]

lot of stuff, like plasma burster missiles for instance

[hoary cove]

pbm went from op in experimental, to bugged to do no damage on release, and is now meh

[limpid pond]

Hard to imagine them being remotely strong, must've been wild

[hoary cove]

when the testers had it, it cud delete 3 elite bulks in a few seconds, in expiremental, pretty much everytime i fought the caretaker, gunner wud kill it singlehandedly with pbm

[limpid pond]

Clearly it was only nerfed because the developers hate fun. Balance doesn't matter in a PvE game /s

[echo storm]

ntp gunner is the life for me

[brave lodge]

gunner is good

[dusky stream]

Is the Return Pod position also static across runs?

[limpid pond]

Not quite. It depends on where Molly is, and where the host is when it spawns in. But if host and Molly are in the same place every time, you can force it to spawn in a certain spot fairly consistently.

[wraith flame]

I like big Bertha and combat mobility more imo.

[brave lodge]

goddam

tried the edd 5 times now and havent gotten past the first mission

[limpid pond]

What's killing you?

[spiral depot]

Hostile damage

[brave lodge]

they're called bugs

[lime meteor]

Bro isn't ready then

The first stage of edd is basically haz 4

[hollow veldt]

the exploders on stage 1 are pretty cringe

[final vine]

does morkite beer buff last all the way until the third mission?

[mortal cliff]

all special beers hold effect for the duration of whole DD and EDD

[unkempt lantern]

got 696 kills on stage 1 of the EDD. Had no ammo for the dreads on stage 2.

rock and stone!

[hollow citrus]

swarmageddon moment

[unkempt saffron]

Solo?

[unkempt lantern]

no

other 3 got between 600-1000 kills each

[unkempt saffron]

Good thing stage 1 is refine, can get enough nitra for about 4 to 5 resups

Can probably get through stage 2 with leftover nitra from stage 1 alone

[keen spindle]

Hello

[lime meteor]

Solo edds are usually 1000 kills no matter the class

[hollow citrus]

DDs after s3 are gonna get wild

[brave lodge]

why's that

damn the trailer premiere is at 3:00am for me

[hollow citrus]

industrial sabo is getting added to the rotation, I'm not too keen on this tbh

[brave lodge]

what missions are those exactly

[mossy dove]

The hacker ones

[severe tusk]

I look forward to them, but then I embraced learning how to fight rival tech.

[thorn jewel]

Ooo I’d love to fight a dread alongside the industrial sabo boss wtf

Spicing up gameplay is great for the game

[hollow citrus]

I personally don’t like the boss fights in drg lol elims and dreads are already my least favourite missions

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[thorn jewel]

I just like hellish missions so handling both at once would be fun

[hollow citrus]

just a hunch, but I don't think industrial sabo or dreads will ever spawn together in s3

cos escort can't have dreads, I think the devs don't want a mission with multiple boss fights

[thorn jewel]

Yeah makes sense

Little bit unfortunate

[zealous nest]

I would appreciate if they made lethal harder and increased the bulk detonator spawn rate

[limpid pond]

Hacking Pods are just terribly designed, ignore the (current) Rival Tech imbalance. Bugs spawn directly on top of Hacksy, rather than a distance away like the Salvage Op holdouts, or the Black Box. I'm going to hate being forced to do these in EDD, especially as a duo player. Oh, there's an Industrial Sabo? Have to be Engi + Driller!

[forest raven]

Im a level 11 engineer but i cant figure out how to unlock a new weapon at the assignment board, can anyone help?

[solemn vine]

in the wrong channel. try #drg-chat
either way. you need to reach the required level requirement for the assignment > do all the assignment missions > buy the weapon at the equipment terminal

[forest raven]

oh sorry, thanks.

[flat crest]

@forest raven you'll always see what assignments you have available in the board, and then need to do the missions to propery unlock/be able to buy that weapon 🙂 same with promoting. When you eventually can promote, go to the memorial hall. If you wonder at exactly what levels you unlock certain weapons, drg wiki is a great place to check. 🙂 Hope that helps!

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I'm not a big fan of hacksy or uplink, but I enjoy the boss fights, like at the end against the caretaker and the dreadnoughts ^^

[hoary cove]

for some reason i always found the version in industrial sabotage to be a lot easier then the event version

[limpid pond]

I feel like it spawns less bugs, yeah. Spawn placement still sucks, though

[hoary cove]

no i mean the spawns feel different

i rarely get things spawning on top of hacks when i do sabo

and i tend to do sabo a lot since i go out of my way to do it lel

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[hollow citrus]

I feel like spawns for hacking power station and data are different

data event spawns way more enemies and usually on top of hacksy

I guess they don't want you chewing through too much ammo before the main caretaker fight

[hoary cove]

it’s def different

it’s kind of hard to describe since it varies so much, but that’s my experience

[dry latch]

Getting owned on the solo elite deep dive. I can't figure out how to deal with the swarmers. Any help/advice is welcome.

I main driller and engineer.

[brave lodge]

same

same mains same issue

how far did u get

[fluid cliff]

both of those classes are the ones that handle swarmers the easiest

turrets + bosco rip thru swarmers

driller can decimate swarmers with any primary

[brave lodge]

mm i misread i was trying gunner

engineer is just too squishy, idk how i can stay alive

and too ammo intensive, i cant get the nitra in time

[fluid cliff]

do you normally play haz 5?

[dry latch]

I can get to the 2nd mission with luck

I have gotten there 4 times

[quiet wyvern]

I normally do Haz 4 and still do decent on EDD's

[dry latch]

I can haz 4 if I know the goal. The swarms are just doing their job this week 😛

[quiet wyvern]

Only times I do Haz 5, is when I play with those that play it regardless, like USteppin or Skappzz

[dry latch]

I never haz 5. Just not fun for me. Props to those who can.

[quiet wyvern]

Yea I agree, 4 is like my go to

[dry latch]

After I cleared my main missions and the season, no real push.

Love how challenging this game can be. Damn swarms are more than I can handle. Looking forward to getting better as I chew through rock and stone.

Gemini coverage and vamp drills have not helped me solo this weeks elite DD

[lime meteor]

the amount of bugs that appear and how long swarms last(especially on 4p) is very entertaining and the amount of bugs that appear on 4p allows for a lot of close games which in my opinion I find more fun then always winning on haz 4 and lower

[dry latch]

Oh, I agree

just having issues with being able to deal with this weeks push.

That is on me. just not sure how to do better than the generic "Get good"

[lime meteor]

This edd was pretty brutal yeah low oxygen makes molly able to sabotage you when ever she feels like it

I did it with 4 players after losing twice solo to twins and I was the only one to make it in the pod

[dry latch]

Multi is fine, solo is killing me

literally

[wanton knot]

stage 1 edd was rough, we got a dreadnaught twins spawn randomly lmfao. rest was ok

pretty sure i got my entire team killed by starting the blackbox during a swarm after we were mostly ready, but we brought it back

there was so much nitra on stage 1, we had to call 3 resups and we still had enough for 2 and a half more going into stage 2

[covert comet]

real quick, you arent supposed to find minerals on Deep dives right?

Cause I managed to collect 1 Bismor

oon the EDD

[tardy girder]

yeah, you can't normally find minerals outside of the rare huuli hoarder spawn

[covert comet]

Ahhhh that makes sense

there was a Huuli Hoarder

didnt kill it. It ran off into a cave in a swarm

must have picked it up

thanks though

Imma go to bed now. the stress of soloing the EDD was rather immense

[sly kettle]

You'll be waking up to a new EDD to fret over.

The reset is almost upon us.

[covert comet]

Oh no

I'll probably solo it again in like a few months

Deep dives are sort of big time Investment events for me

I usually only hop online and complete my daily challenges for the Performance points

Then I head off

[sly kettle]

That's fine. Not everyone have enough time in the day to do Deep Dives.

Play for fun, that's the important stuff.

[covert comet]

Splitting my time between gaming, University, working and music projects is tough

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[pearl flume]

is their anybody who want to do the elite deep with me

[oblique glen]

showtime?

[fervent plover]

SHOWTIME???

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
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[oblique glen]

SHOWTIME!!

radioactive based zone

[nova hearth]

[marble veldt]

IT'S MUFFIN TIME!

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone!

[karmic rain]

DD stage 4 eggs black box volatile guts

[sly kettle]

Since Muffin doesn't seem to be online, it'd be helpful if people dropped info as you find it for later.

[sly kettle]

What's the name?

[karmic rain]

Loud Bed

DD Stage 2: Drilldozer+2 eggs Lethal Enemies

[oblique glen]

drilldozer :(

why

[sly kettle]

Fun and exciting..

Deep Dive - Loud Bed - Radioactive Exclusion Zone
Stage 1 - 4 Eggs / Black Box / Volatile Guts / None
Stage 2 - Escort Duty / 2 Eggs / None / Lethal Enemies
Stage 3 - 6 Eggs / 150 Morkite / None / Low Oxygen

Elite Deep Dive - Burning Hook - Hollow Bough
Stage 1 - 10 Aquarqs / Black Box / None / Elite Threat
Stage 2 - Twins + Dreadnaught / 150 Morkite / None / Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 3 - 6 Eggs / 150 Morkite / None / Regenerative Bugs

Gonna slap down this basic-as-crap thing for now.

[ivory marten]

hey, it's something

[candid bobcat]

elite threat blackbox on PE

pain

[karmic rain]

on last omeraon health bar now will let you know stage 3 in a sec

both the eggs are in spots you can grab while drilling to different areas as well

[oblique glen]

did you get a nemisis?

[true saffron]

edd stage 2: 2 dreads (classic + twins), 150 morkite, cave leech cluster

edd stage 3: 6 eggs, 150 morkite, regenerative bugs

[radiant halo]

cave leech cluster oh joy

[karmic rain]

yeah I did

[sick lake]

On drilldozer or egghunt?

[karmic rain]

DD Stage 3:6 eggs 150 morkite low oxygen

[sick lake]

Gross

[karmic rain]

while we were drilling, neme spawned in omeran room

[sly kettle]

Unlucky.

[ivory marten]

Low oxygen.

On eggs.

pain.

[radiant halo]

had a doozy of a mission like that yesterday

[sly kettle]

Not too bad, to be honest. It's the last stage. Put down supply pods everywhere!

[radiant halo]

so the nitra is hopefully plenty

[ivory marten]

Lets rock.

[sick lake]

Nightmare scenario: imagine if resupply pods run out of O2 once all resupplies depleted

[ivory marten]

Lets see what song I roll today.

Oh

Maniac.

Nice.

[oblique glen]

finally free of drilldozer

[radiant halo]

that's a mechanic i think would be funny to have
it seems logical in the first place

but an absolute nightmare to manage in a full lobby

[ivory marten]

sees grabber flying towards me
pulls out revolver

Not today, Satan!

[karmic rain]

the spawn room literally gives you 4 nitra veins

[oblique glen]

the 3rd stage was so much easier then the 2nd

low 02 make very little difference

[marsh quest]

Is the pin updated?

[pure cedar]

No

[sly kettle]

Nope, but I made a pretty basic thing.

[frank viper]

Any recommended builds for this weeks EDD?

[radiant halo]

hollow bough ... exploding rng with my mind

[quiet mortar]

Cheers for covering, sorry I missed this one

(Also pin is updated now)

[wraith shard]

yes, and its "swarm clear" and "single target" builds

[ivory marten]

GAME.

WHY ARE THERE 5 WEB SPITTERS IN THE SAME ROOM.

6

[ember hinge]

I raise you one better

why are there 5 dwarves in my deep dive?

[ivory marten]

oh are you shitting me...

one dozer part left.

[soft prairie]

Neurotoxin overclock on Autocannon with fear + Any decent single target secondary like brtt experimental or Triple tech chamber coilgun w/ shield glitch thing.

[frank viper]

Thanks alot

[soft prairie]

Rock and stone

[ivory marten]

and stage 2 done...

fucking hell.

[sly kettle]

No problem.

[wraith flame]

I love when that happens.

[blissful tundra]

i love when my game crashes at the last stage

loading into stage 3 and my game just turned into a black screen

[frank viper]

This EDD was way easier than i expected

[twilit ingot]

i love how all the eggs were chilling in 1 room in the last DD stage

[marsh quest]

me too

[wicked yew]

edd first stage is already hell

[lyric quail]

Lol last night i was doing a hazard 4 extraction in the hollow bough with my driller and we had so many web spitters on us and around the platform that their corpses were falling on us from the ceilings and piling up around us on the ground as we dispatched them!! It was nuts!

[past flame]

🥜

[lyric quail]

🌰🌰🤪

[past flame]

🌮

Taco

[lyric quail]

Getting naughty 😉

Okay, back to sleep, 0918h is too early to be fully awake yet. Maybe someone can tell me, those "Pods" in the drg discord server, are those where you can go to voice chat with people you're in game with? Can you just join a voice chat pod and meet people with whom to mine/kill bugs ? Or ...?

[pure cedar]

Yes those pods you can join with randoms or friends to coordinate your dives and such.

[lyric quail]

Cool! Thanks! I must try that!

[lime meteor]

hollow bough

[strange granite]

this scout and I (gunner) had 37 revives between us at the end of this week's edd 😂 . it was a very tense game ngl

[trail pivot]

oi, where the dive groups at

what kinda enemies in the normal dive?

[lost wing]

Nemmy in 2nd stage regular dd, watch out =>=

[trail pivot]

grabbers all through second stage and two bulks ...first it was?

[frank viper]

The EDD is easy id say, if you just have a gameplan for the swarms.

[trail pivot]

what kinda enemies in the edd?

oof

blind run time

[trail pivot]

gonna a winning strat for the first stage at least

[lyric apex]

4 oppressors just showed up during our black box on stage 1

edd

[zealous nest]

That’s kinda tame

Would be much more fun if it was 4 bulks

[lyric apex]

a bulk came up too at the end lol

[trail pivot]

absolutely use the bulk second stage to kill the dread classic

we are out of nitra on stage 3

one room has two breeder, two spitters and three leeches

dig around if you can

[charred nimbus]

First time im not getting the EDD done because randoms just going yolo in 2nd stage

Sad life

[strange granite]

always. don't check the pins (checking before every edd is very lame). blind runs are more fun 🙂

[trail pivot]

there is a bit more nitra in 3, but damn

[frank viper]

we had plenty, like 200

[trail pivot]

just finished

a couple of brundle show up half way through

a few praets sporadic too

[strange granite]

i think this week's edd had a lot of nitra. my team (including me) spend a lot unneccessarily and even then had for one pod in the end. devs seriously need to nerf nitra amounts ngl

[trail pivot]

but for stage 1, after the quarks

as driller i wend into the box hallway and drilled from the mid point of the room back to the main room

engie sealed the other end with plats and mines

didn't get any nearby spawns

perfect funnel

def drill another tunnel to get back to the minehead after the box, bc they won't stop coming

another bulk showed after the box

[cursive bough]

Both dd and edd seem really swarm heavy

[languid portal]

The edd is being annoying this time

Beat the first stage first try

But now every time after whenever we do the black box there's a detonator

Is there anything I can do about that?

[torn verge]

you can abandon a black box and try it again

the mission won't fail

[vital sluice]

Just started the EDD, a nemesis shows up and the mine head falls on top of it

[glossy walrus]

if you have a gunner, shield can push em out, if not then can either abandon and try again or figure out which dwarf he's targeting and have that one lure him away (figuring out is the hardest part)

[vital sluice]

fighting a nemesis solo is a pain, thank goodness the mine head killed it and I didn't have to

[lime meteor]

nemesis is a bulk detonator functionally

[gusty meteor]

Management sends their regards

[languid portal]

Wait what?!

[lime meteor]

Yes

You can do that

It's not like salvage where you fail the whole mission

[vital sluice]

Too bad you can't carry morkite from one level to the next, it would be funny to be in a group of 4 and have enough morkite to finish while still in the drop pod

[indigo owl]

Same thing happen to me but I managed to run away and kill him ON the black box now I have massive crater that I have to stay in and a horde of bugs

so I order a resupply in the middle and fight with all my might, thanks to explosive + fear perk on my smart smg I have enough cc and damage to kill the horde

although I downed 2 time and have to use my iron will to refill my ammo and health

solo edd is mentally draining xd

[urban snow]

Gunner shield can force bulks away, it helps a lot.
https://youtube.com/shorts/sXk8qe8TnDM

Also yeah if you fail black box you can just start it up again

[fluid cliff]

codename: loud bed

[inner rover]

EDD we had elite detonator spawn on black box

[past drum]

shoot it

[left sleet]

what are the edd stages

[willow wedge]

@silk trench The deep dive for this week is missing volatile guts where it says no mutators

[crimson crypt]

I finally managed to complete the edd, but damn elite threat is just pain in the ass

[lime meteor]

Edd is soloable scout I think this bulk is guaranteed to spawn on the bb it spawned for me too

If your soloing this bring Bosco electric rounds

[oak pecan]

Jesus that first cave on EDD is absolute BS

Elite mactera spawn are annoying to fight

Does the spawn pool on EDDs stay the same over different attempts?

[thorn jewel]

I dont remember getting a bulk on the black box stage 1

Was there a black box elsewhere

[wild sapphire]

oh my god low oxygen

what a pain in the ass

[strange granite]

Devs should change that. Doesn't make the whole thing tense at all.

[strange granite]

Ngl, yesterday was the first time ever that i didn't hate low oxygen 😂

[jolly hazel]

every attempt is wasted ammo

[hollow citrus]

edd was ok, comparable to other edds

elite mactera can just piss off though

[torn verge]

black box also seems to be paired with point extract a lot

which means wasting time can absolutely lead to failing the mission very quickly

[wraith shard]

Stage 1 Standard dive has volatile guts @quiet mortar

[clear rapids]

i keep crashing on the second stage of the normal deep dive?

anyone also getting this issue?

[hollow citrus]

happened to me and others as well. maybe some cavegen issue or mods

[buoyant wing]

in this case you waste time and time is important in PE

[royal perch]

God damn

Just got to the 2nd stage of regular deep dive, Doretta breaks through a wall and a Nemesis appears visible through the hole

But then Doretta just runs it over

[thorn jewel]

lucky

we had to kill ours

[marsh quest]

same

[blissful ledge]

where's the black box on EDD stage 1?

[atomic prawn]

on the floor

[glossy walrus]

I actually had it in two different places, both in 4p runs, was weird. one was out in the open directly visible from the minehead, the other was in the middle of a side tunnel extending from an upper layer

felt like the map layouts for the two were different too, and the aquarqs were definitely in different places

wonder if one person was a ps4 host and it couldn't handle the normal version or something so generated something smaller

[torn verge]

static spawns depend on player count, iirc

but if it was different both times with 4 players i dunno what the reason is

[trail pivot]

the side tunnel was great

[strange granite]

i am talking generally

[strange granite]

same logic can be used for salvage missions then... you can let people redo a failed event?

[buoyant wing]

most people tend to argue for the blackbox style because it doesn't seem to logically hold up to have a single chance for lore reasons, like why wouldn't they be able to attempt a signal or restart the refuelling process, plus there are some harrowing defense situations like a bulk or nemesis that shows up

[lime meteor]

Besides gameplay reasons I don't understand why you have to stand next to fuel cells in order for them to add fuel to the pod

[fluid cliff]

the fuel pumps by matching the synchronous pumping of the 1-4 dwarves near the fuel cell

they're just over there pumping!

[buoyant wing]

it's also the most vulnerable game mode by far since it's difficult to salvage (hah) a greenbeard/speedster hitting all the buttons

distinctly remember my first time doing one and finding out what a grabber was and failing the mission horribly due to repeated kidnappings

even dotty lets you have a few tries before telling you you've failed

[fluid cliff]

a greenbeard spawned in to my haz 5 mission and called the drop pod while I was fighting a nemesis, oppressor and various other things leading to a failed mission

I was almost out of ammo and hadn’t cleared the final room of nitra

dude joined and actively threw

[atomic prawn]

this ain't no deep dive 😂

[wraith flame]

Best drill ever!

[stray coral]

this EDD has been so packed with clutch moments i'm going to be shitting diamonds

[twilit ingot]

aint fun otherwise

[stray coral]

summary of events
first mission: everyone was downed at one point, i just about managed to keep up, we powered through
second mission: someone accidentally popped the nought cocoon early and we were scrambling, i made a move for the previous volume and told the others to follow which might have just saved us a loss; everyone was down on a couple occasions except me
third mission: basically a victory lap, got all the eggs and that was it. very good mission in all

i'm not cocky enough to say i carried that mission, but i certainly saved it on multiple occasions and my back is a little sore

very proud of myself and that team

might of had plenty of downs but we powered through

[hollow citrus]

we had a super graybeard scout grab all the eggs in stage 3 one after the another. bloody hell the swarm that followed was insane but we somehow cleared it

EDD btw

[stray coral]

ahahaha

i'm sure he was confident yall could do it

[soft prairie]

In the second stage of edd, a silver scout on our team didn't know how to quite keep track of the area of the cave and because of that, he went into an unexplored cave by accident when we called drop pod and he died to cave leech, when I revived him I was stuck in some vines and he accidentally activated the bet c, and we only won cause the driller left dwarfs behind.

[atomic prawn]

this edd sure is rougher than the others haha

much fun

last stage has so much nitra 😂

[pure cedar]

EDD done again this week with my friends. This conclude this season with success, we completed every week's EDD together, looking to do the same in S3, so hyped.

[pure cedar]

Yes a good thing because we were getting tight on it by the end of stage 2.

[sage solar]

wow this week's dd is easy so far

stage 1 6mins

[soft prairie]

Bruh the dd looked like torture with lethal enemies and low oxygen

[oblique glen]

the hardest (and worst) part of this week's dd is that it has escort duty. if you're confident with escort duty you'll be fine

[strange granite]

i have a doubt. so imagine that first egg and second egg are programmed to spawn bugs (just assume). if i take these two eggs in quick succession one after the other, will i be getting 2x spawn or will it just just be 1x spawn? how does it work?

[summer sinew]

Reminds me of the double escort dd

[hollow citrus]

spawns stack afaik

[oblique glen]

I never want to be reminded of that

[lime meteor]

He probably was trying to cap tf out of the spawns

[jolly hazel]

id say because of how stupid black box spawns can be, while salvage is usually a big open cave

solo scout black box probably isn't fun inside the edd this week without prepping a lot

[lime meteor]

It's possible though

fire bolt with ifg igniting all the grunts carried me

In that blackbox

[wraith flame]

I love when that happens tbh.

[lean trellis]

is the pined message actually what we get for this weed

[misty perch]

Is no one gonna talk about the name of this week's DD

[mortal cliff]

Truly, this week's EDD was really hard.

[knotty badge]

Management wants us to investigate the strange noises at night

[unkempt breach]

hey. i just completed the tutorial and wanted to start the hlaoween event things

how do i start them. saw it in a steam update thing and had this game in my library

but never played until i saw this cool looking event

[drifting parrot]

you'll need to complete your first assignment before you can start on halloween things

[unkempt breach]

ok, cool. thanks

[drifting parrot]

if you'd like more help, I'm absolutely willing to help out

[unkempt breach]

thanks! completely new to this and just opened it and started playing not seen any videos or anything

but looks pretty fun

[drifting parrot]

it's a ton of fun, I think

[unkempt breach]

LOL. if its not ill be holding u accountable

😠

[drifting parrot]

as long as you enjoy horde shooters you'll probably enjoy

[unkempt breach]

ya. it kinda reminds me of like destiny 2 or borderlands 3 but with mining and shit

[pine epoch]

DRG has way more rock and stone

[old orbit]

Way more beers

[blissful ledge]

anyone wanna do the EDD?

[flat crest]

If you like shooting, teamwork, mining and silliness, you'll prob enjoy this 😄

[unkempt breach]

yea about half way thru the first assignment

had fun

[red juniper]

in elite deep dive stage 3, did anyone else have one of the eggs pre-mined before the mission began and only had to do 1 swarm because of it? egg was just on the floor at the bottom of the tunnel for us; not sure if the swarm just triggered as soon as we entered the stage or we just skipped it altogether

[thorn jewel]

I dont remember that happening

[dapper star]

omg this week EDD is horrible D:

just cleared DD and EDD and I feel like this week EDD is Haz 7~8 lol. My group had 3 Detos in stage 1

and 2 Detos at the same time during the fight with twins in stage 2

[thorn jewel]

this one didn't seem that bad, you probably had a pretty bad roll of rng

[brave lodge]

i thought the edd was shockingly easy

last time i couldnt get past stage 1 with 5 attempts and this one was first try minimal downage

[brave lodge]

maybe ur scout is just that good

[hollow citrus]

in general, as long as you play fast in EDDs it will make things much easier

[red juniper]

i was the scout though lol

[atomic prawn]

imagine if the stage 1 edd was swapped around to stage 3 😂

[drifting parrot]

the dreads on stage 2 were an exercise in good scouting, for me

dodging, kiting, and reviving when necessary, were my main "goals"

[dapper star]

We didn't go slow but with all the stupid level of bug spawns + carrying green beard at the same time was not really easy tbh. However, we still made it lol.

the greenbeard thought that he joined DD, not EDD lol. Anyway, he finished his first EDD with us. It was fun but I was exhausted a little bit after that.

[hollow citrus]

oh yeah, due to player scaling having dead weight on a team can make it feel way more difficult for sure

like even going from 4p to 3p the difference is very noticeable

but this week's dives can be done pretty quickly if the team is on the ball. got mine done in about 30 mins for both.

[lime meteor]

my team is never on the ball with point extraction

Everyone is everywhere

When I'm pinging black box I mean

[tardy girder]

DD was fine. nothing particularly special. EDD was a tad rough, especially with only three players, but we ended up getting through it.

[mortal cliff]

This week on EDD pub we had a lvl 34 scout that did not know how hard things can be. She went down like 25 times and did barely any damage.

[mild pollen]

i wish the game has a button to remove all the new item markers at the equipment/cosmetic/bosco

[fast stratus]

somehow edd went really smooth, neurotox gunner + goo bomber driller, dont remember what scout and engie had. 2 bulks spawned at the same time on the dread mission, no problems caused tho. i think we only had 5 downs throughout the entire thing

last mission we did a bunker tho

[crimson musk]

edd with relatively greenbeard players, somehow finsihed the second stage, loading onto the third stage and lost connection...

[tame bane]

I got disconnected in the last stage of the normal deep dive. 😢

[ancient cove]

at least you guys can play the game 😭

[wraith flame]

DD was easy cept for the end of second stage. A nemesis was waiting for us as doretta drilled out into the chamber. Grabbed two dudes immediately and we were already in a wave too. Was a little rough.

Lost EDD the first time in the second mission as the Dread came directly from underneath us and instantly downed two of us. Ran it again with some other ppl (randoms) and we smashed through it.

[molten arch]

1st mission black box EDD is getting me so good rn, the aquarqs aren't bad at all but I keep getting swarmed and then alongside a bulk det spawned and cleared all 4 lives in an instant.

[inner zenith]

This is so sad

The gang was about to do an elite deep dive and I crashed

(host)

[wraith shard]

I've never done a deep dive, would anyone be willing to let a greenbeard tag along?

I have no mic but I can talk on discord

[lost wing]

This week's deep dive isn't that bad. Maybe the second stage will give you a little trouble but overall, pretty manageable. If you're still looking for deep dive teammates, hit me up.

[wraith shard]

I'm on Xbox, can we still play?

[lost wing]

R.I.P, no we can't, no crossplay

Look into #lfg-xbox-microsoft though. People post there about making groups for missions

[wraith shard]

Ok.

Ty anyway.

[lost wing]

No worries, and good luck

[coarse bronze]

The edd this week is ridiculous. Horrible spawns all over

[wraith flame]

Also if you want to know ahead of time to prepare check out the pinned comments.

They will tell you what the DD and EDD will be

[past drum]

nemesis on second stage killed the whole team

awesome

[wraith shard]

anyone else get an elite bulk on EDD stage 1?

the drop pod on the last stage spawns in such an awkward spot on the elite deep dive

[wild sapphire]

man a fucking bulk spawned in our black box wtff

and 2 opressors

[wraith shard]

same here, an elite one at that

[wild sapphire]

we died so quickly

edd is hell

[fresh coyote]

Just did both solo, died 4 times to leeches in 2nd edd lol

Other than that, twas smooth sailing

[coarse bronze]

Yep

[wraith shard]

i forgot how fast elite bulks were

[coarse bronze]

Managed to kill it but another bulk on stage 2 caused a problem and popped some eggs in the panic

[wraith shard]

oh unlucky, we only got the 1 bulk

although the drop pod on the final stage nearly got us killed because it spawned in such a weird spot

[coarse bronze]

On stage one I got one elite bulk and one normal. Stage two was a regular bulk

Most ridiculous dive of my life

[blissful tundra]

just alt f4'd edd last stage

we lost our engi in stage 2

and maxed out scout kept killing me for no reason whatsoever

[blissful tundra]

also kept pushing me into dreads slam attack in stage 2

kekw

[pseudo spade]

So what's this week's EDD look like? Is it pretty bad?

[blissful tundra]

if ur team cooperates its fine

lol

[pseudo spade]

What if you're solo? 👀

[wild sapphire]

how

give me your wisdom

[coarse bronze]

Pretty luck based honestly. Spawns can be great or…. Your dead

[wild sapphire]

elite bulk

[coarse bronze]

Same

And a couple other normal bulks

[wild sapphire]

time to try edd again

[coarse bronze]

Gl

[wild sapphire]

annd im down

nice

[past drum]

dont use the driller builds i gave you lol

i just thought of numbers..

[wild sapphire]

bruh 1 exploder insta kills you

[fresh coyote]

Gunner with thunderhead 33312 with neurotoxin oc, and coil gun 33113 with triple-tech

I didn't get a detonator on the first stage, maybe cause I kept running around for 20 mins looking for the box before I found it on the map lol idk

Aside from the leech deaths rest of the run was deathless on edd and dd was deathless as well

[wild sapphire]

me no have coil gun ocs and me no have neurotoxin ::(

[fresh coyote]

Honestly don't think it matters much, I only took neurotoxin cause of regenerative on stage 3

[wild sapphire]

oh

[fresh coyote]

Did the dd without oc's on the thnderhead, partly cause forgot to equip lol

And the triple shot is nice but I feel like the coil works without it anyways really, its more of a qol than sth that enables it but that's just how I feel so idk

I'm still a greenbeard by all accounts

[wild sapphire]

im decently a greenbeard too

i only have all the classes ascended 1 time

[fresh coyote]

Yeah, same here though I'm starting to get 2nd bronze promos

[wild sapphire]

molly just pushed me off an edge

:(

stage 2 completed

yay

pls fat boy

compact shells

...

[lime meteor]

Don't expect ocs you want this early

[wild sapphire]

i would expect something a lil better

[brave lodge]

coul gun feels like worse single target damage than the revolver to me

[burnt sandal]

because it's not a gun for single target

[brave lodge]

whats it for?

[burnt sandal]

swarm clear

[brave lodge]

wak

[hoary cove]

use the trail

with electricity

[brave lodge]

i dont get using gunner's secondary for storm clear

isnt the primary always gonna be better? unless weird oc i dont know avt

[soft prairie]

@fresh coyote I have nearly the exact setup you have lol

[hoary cove]

gunners main guns aren’t always swarm clear. The only thing they have in common is good sustain

[timid merlin]

Probably since I have no oc's yet but coil gun feels incredibly underwhelming

I still resort to micro flechettes cuz Im not that fond of the revolver either

[steep pulsar]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how painful is the Edd this week?

[timid merlin]

5/6

[steep pulsar]

So average.

[timid merlin]

The only truly painful part is the black box on the first stage with elite bulks in a tight area

but you drill it out first and its ok

[steep pulsar]

“Elite Bulks” Nope, nevermind

[timid merlin]

lol

Doesn't always spawn but yeah

[fresh coyote]

It's not the greatest single target but it ignores armor, pretty handy when you have to go through a praetorian from the front or can't get to weakpoints, it pairs well with how I play so I usually go for it

[steep pulsar]

I imagine the Mole is useful on Elim?

[timid merlin]

We brought along a lvl 18, he had 22 downs by the end but I appreciate his courage

[lime meteor]

This edd is possible with solo scout and after the black box the rest of the edd was fine

[steep pulsar]

Hmmm…. I do have Hyper Prop for engi, and a Hellfire Gunner build

[lime meteor]

wrong reply?

[steep pulsar]

How much does the CSP with T5 Slowdown Affect Elite Bulks?

[timid merlin]

No clue

[steep pulsar]

Hmmm

Only one way to find out!

[timid merlin]

Like I said though, the bulk that does spawn isn't always Elite

[fresh coyote]

Maybe, don't have it so not sure. Though I heard it's quite nice. Probably better to go with bulldog and elephant rounds

I don't have alot of oc's yet so still experimenting with wtv I get

[wraith shard]

Anyone want to join us in a EDD? We been sitting here for a couple mins waiting for a 4th and no one is joining

[timid merlin]

What class you need

[wraith shard]

A driller

[timid merlin]

Ill pass then

[lime meteor]

the one with driller colored name needs a driller

[timid merlin]

Only confident in gunner/scout for edds

[wraith shard]

Ah ok

[steep pulsar]

What’s your preferred class so far?

[fresh coyote]

Engi and gunner is a close second

Though I do all dd's and edd's with gunner

[steep pulsar]

If you can get your hands on Burning Hell for the Minigun, as well as Volatile Bullets on the revolver….
Large Health bars become a mere suggestion.

[fresh coyote]

Gonna keep an eye out for both

I got a few good ones for the gunner but been kind of unlucky with engi

[steep pulsar]

Anything for the Shotgun?

[fresh coyote]

Just light-weight magazines

[steep pulsar]

Hey, it’s better than nothing

Think of it as a watered-down version of mini-shells

Without the damage penalty.

Do you prefer DPS or Longevity?

[fluid cliff]

light weight magazines is good

it’s a better version of mini shells

gives you an appropriate amount of ammo and no dmg nerf

[fresh coyote]

definitely dps

[fluid cliff]

smart

anything for stubby?

[fresh coyote]

Oh yeah, the turret em

[fluid cliff]

discharge is good but a specific playstyle I don’t enjoy

[fresh coyote]

I tried it but didn't click with me that much

Yeah, I prefer the normal shotgun + turret discharge skill its got

[fluid cliff]

for sure

[fresh coyote]

About the only build I have for engi now lol

[fluid cliff]

refire stubby is good once you get that OC

with the ammo OC for shotty you can just build full dmg

12321 or 12322

[fresh coyote]

Thanks for the suggestion, will keep an eye out for it as well

For the time being I run the grenade launcher with my shotgun + the pack rat oc

haven't gotten anything better yet so I figured more ammo wouldn't hurt

[fluid cliff]

you got rj250?

[fresh coyote]

sadly no

[fluid cliff]

regardless pgl with the heat mod is secretly S tier

[fresh coyote]

oh yeah, I got that on

feels so good with a cryo driller

I don't actively go for the temp shock but it's nice when you can pull it off with little effort

plus I got cryo rockets on bosco so it works well when I'm solo on haz4/5

[fluid cliff]

yeah temp shock is really useful or really bad

no inbetween

but knowing when to capitalize is good

[steep pulsar]

Cycle Overload greatly increases the Firerate cap on the Shotty. Can be built for either 10 Pellets or 132 Reserve shells, either works.

[fresh coyote]

Would be nice to have either on it, as it is I mainly use it to overcharge my turrets and kite till they cool off then rinse and repeat. Only really use it on acid/web spitters and any other immediate threat if I'm boggled down

Feel like the overcharge shot gets way more value than a single shotgun shell fired

[fluid cliff]

yeah for sure

if you can capitalize on that then turret whip is great

I can't sit still so I'm not a huge fan of whip but I recognize that it's very good

the mistake I see people make it using mini shells with turret whip for no reason

the good OCs also work with turret whip

and your shotgun is still good at being a shotgun

[fresh coyote]

I try to set it up so I'm not always babysitting in one spot, got both turrets so usually put them relatively close then kite/reload/overcharge between them

[fluid cliff]

my favorite is probably cycle with whip for kiting

mpa with whip for zone control

[fresh coyote]

MPA is Magnetic Pellet Alignment?

Sounds interesting

[fluid cliff]

it's one of the better warthog OCs

a lot of people think it's the defacto best

[fresh coyote]

Although, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aoe doesn't deal any extra damage to weakpoints right? I'm not really sure what the turret shot from the turret whip is classified as, direct or aoe, but wouldn't it not benefit from +weakpoint damage if it's mainly aoe?

[fluid cliff]

turret whip and the shotgun don't share traits

the whip projectile is always the same

the weakpoint bonus is to the benefit of the shotgun

it has reduced spread and rewards good aim

it can 1 shot grunts 30 meters out if you really wanted it to

[fresh coyote]

oh wow that's pretty nice

I'll keep an eye out for it as well

[brave lodge]

do turret damage upgrades improve whip damage

[fluid cliff]

no

[onyx hamlet]

Whip is a flat 160 damage

Iirc

[surreal kayak]

Figure this might be the best place to ask, deep dives, once a week, is there any point to repeating them? Do you gain anything?

[tardy girder]

you get XP and credits, that's it

you only get the cores the first time you play a week's DDs.

[surreal kayak]

Ok so you can still do them for something at least lol, haven't managed an EDD as I play online with strangers mostly lol

[proud iris]

Is there a good resource to see the current deep dive missions and modifiers?

[tardy girder]

pinned messages

[brave lodge]

i think the best way to do EDD as a weaker player is to hop on open lobbies thursday the day they come out when its busiest and get on a party of 4

[thorn jewel]

yes

[lime meteor]

So get carried by teammates

Yeah gl with that

[brave lodge]

i did it

i think the bar for not being an active hinderance is low enough that anyone with a few promotions shouldnt worry abt it

[surreal kayak]

Ohh I usually look Thursday when I wake up lol

[lime meteor]

That also depends on how hard the DD is, a salvage escort or black box will require communication

or at least some good team chemistry I should say

[sly agate]

as someone who regularly brings my dumbest game into DDs and EDDs, all you really need is a forgiving team, one of each class, and at least one person running field medic. other than that, it's just a matter of improving combinations for faster playthroughs

[alpine olive]

The regular deep dive’s second stage being worse than the elite this week is fucking hilarious

[meager goblet]

lol

[pseudo spade]

Just lost the EDD on last extractions because the pod landed in the roof of the big pit area and I was a solo gunner. Fucking piece of shit drop pod.

[ivory marten]

I know how you feel.

[twilit ingot]

F

[hazy shuttle]

"weaker player" is so insulting i love it

[edgy vault]

Ayo guys didn't see the pinned msg about this week's dd and edd

Can u tell me please

[jolly hazel]

look at it

[burnt sandal]

the first pinned message is updated each week

[edgy vault]

Yeah ty found it already

[steep pulsar]

Gonna be honest, EDD This week was Fairly easy.

[lime meteor]

After the first stage yeah it's not bad

[north surge]

In comparison to embed zhukovs, is the nishanka bolt shark worth?

[unkempt lantern]

its really good for team utility rather than a "delete this thing right in front of my face".

as a scout you have lots of other options to get things out of your face.

[thorn arrow]

There are still things for bolt shark to "delete this thing right in front of my face" tho with a few builds

[brave lodge]

true for like every weapon

the system is very flexible

honestly hard to tell if its a strength or weakness of the game

[steep pulsar]

So, why is the bolt shark considered OP?

[hoary cove]

it’s not op just very versatile

[unkempt lantern]

who says that?

[steep pulsar]

I swear I heard a few people say it’s overpowered.

[fluid cliff]

I say the stubby is overpowered quite frequently

doesn’t mean it is

[unkempt lantern]

stubby doesn't know what it is

[fluid cliff]

it’s my bae

watch your mouth

[brave lodge]

stubby and lok are so unsatisfying compared to warthog

[midnight lance]

You shut your mouth

Warthog feel like ass

[hoary cove]

loki is very satisfying imo

[limpid pond]

People will say anything about anything.

[brave lodge]

fr

[hoary cove]

fire bolts are very strong however

[limpid pond]

It's true if you're talking about Turret EM Discharge tho

[hoary cove]

toss up between fire and ice on modded haz

[midnight lance]

I want more debuffs tbh

Heat cold electricity stun slow corrosion

Not enough

My bad forgot pheromones

[fluid cliff]

I’m not

[hoary cove]

ngl i don’t rly enjoy stubby without the em ocs

[midnight lance]

Stubby my beloved

Hopefully I get EM refire booster soon

[hoary cove]

but maybe that’s cus the last time i used non em build it was full ammo light weight

[fluid cliff]

EM refire is spicy hot

OP in my hands because i’m mlg pro

[limpid pond]

I miss old Turret EM. Used to be insanely busted but fun, but now it's busted and boring.

[midnight lance]

Mfw drilldozer in DD

[fluid cliff]

torture

[limpid pond]

Don't worry guys, Electric Arc will carry

[fluid cliff]

🥴

[midnight lance]

I still don't have a decent stubby build

Like it kinda works

But only kinda