deep-dive-discussion

[hallow edge]

Only 18, nbd. Great job miner! May this be the first of many conquered EDDs!

[fluid nimbus]

Nice Work Miner!!!

[topaz sluice]

Since it was an EDD I felt way more self conscious and bad about my accidental friendly fires. Which were few and far between thankfully. The only one I can't blame myself for was when the Scout grappling hooked right across my line of fire with my cryo cannon. Apparently he was low enough HP to go down >.>'''

Hoping to learn how to do them better xD

[thorn jewel]

honestly thats on the scout

awareness is one of the most important parts of being a scout

[mellow quail]

How is the elite deep dive this week

Easy mid or twitter

[thorn jewel]

only the first stage is kind of spicy

drop into a cave facing the entire rival presence

rest is fine

[jolly hazel]

lots of nitra, got a bulk on stage 3 directly above black box but other than that its pretty simple

[main steeple]

I lost connection to my game and I am not okay

[unkempt lantern]

regular deep dive stage 2 holy heck that cave is massive

[main steeple]

I know right

I liked it

before I was booted

[unkempt lantern]

like kicked kicked or just an internet hiccup?

[main steeple]

internet hiccup. Only looked up that apparently the menu has an option

but only after I joined another game :V

It was more like a long internet belch

[unkempt lantern]

oof

[desert moat]

That's happened to me twice in the last week for deep dives too

Never happened until recently, doesn't happen in any other games

[junior pendant]

to the Chinese group who I randomly joined in their EDD
I'm sorry, it was my first EDD so I panicked a lot as Engi

[safe gulch]

Hmm, what's the hidden catch behind this week's EDD

This looks deceptively easy

No dreadnaughts, no dozers

Hell, no mactera plague, haunted cave lethal enemies or cave leech shenanigans

Sounds like the perfect playground for first timers

[sly vapor]

THE first timer deep dive was the week before (or 2)...every stage was eggs, minimules or morkite. no big hazards either. this edd though is still fast and you should try it

[hardy wedge]

it is easy

[tardy solar]

pog acrid

[hardy wedge]

hell yeah

[lone wolf]

This week is the SADDEST DeepDive ever.... like a Haz1 mission :\

[burnt sandal]

ok ?

[hollow citrus]

only hairy stage was EDD1, landing was rough with a nemesis, breeder and a bunch of turrets all at once

[fervent tinsel]

DD was long af though

[hollow citrus]

any dd with escort is gonna drag

I rmb there was a fungus bogs dd that was escort, refinery and escort

bloody hell

[drowsy hollow]

hollow fucking bough double escort with doretta driving straight into a cocoon when

[jolly hazel]

escort+dread is not allowed as a combination

[normal gull]

rival precense point extraction 😭

[cunning thistle]

normal DD has some wild caves

Like 5 spitballers and 2 breeders too

in one cave

[toxic prism]

Anyone know if they will crank up the elite dds? Lately it felt more like haz4 than elite.

[cursive bough]

These dds look really easy

Ngl

[summer sinew]

would be funny if doretta heading to the dread egg

[cunning thistle]

it is rng. sometimes there is a nasty combination of warnings.

[noble vine]

Haven’t done a deep dive but have enough OCs / have promo’d to Atleast attempt with all 4 of my dwarves. Anyone trying to do a normal DD in like 45ish minutes ?

[burnt sandal]

Deep Dives are randomly generated. The devs don't tinker with it, unless there's a problem.

[burnt sandal]

45min is about the time it takes usually

You can engage in DD and EDD without any OCs too

[noble vine]

Oooooh okay 🙂 I thought that was like the target time. Thanks

[rotund loom]

If your game froze at the end of an EDD stage two (during hearthstone) and you had my name as scout, I'm wondering if it was because I run on AMD (even though I wasn't the host). I thought I would be the only one crashing out and hoped to be able to return, but later I played with a friend and we had the same crash, the game crashed for them as well.

[calm cipher]

Hello, is this where you can organize a team for deep dives? It's the only part of the game I haven't been able to play yet

[minor bloom]

I'd recommend #lfg on whatever platform you play @calm cipher

[calm cipher]

ahh, gotcha, that does make sense

I blanked on LFG meaning looking for game

a couple of questions about deep dives though: I know they are 3 missions with modified secondary objectives, but how long are each of the missions? The same as a normal length 3 complexity 3 mission? Also what is the comparable Hazard level? I've completed Hazard 4 missions, although it's been a lot of work.

[tardy solar]

EDD: haz 4.5, haz 5 and then haz 5.5
DD: haz 3, 3.5 and 3.5

15 minutes in each stage is a rough average

[calm cipher]

OK, gotcha, so should be within my ability 🙂

[tardy solar]

Do share your results when you get around to doing it!!

[desert moat]

Deep dives are only haz 3?

Wow i thought they were haz 4 for some reason

[tardy solar]

Well 3.5

Kinda feels like haz 4

[desert moat]

True

[hollow cypress]

I think haz 3.5 with certain warnings is about the same general difficulty as normal haz4

[torn verge]

3.5, 4, 4.5 at stage 1/2/3
edds are 4.5, 5, 5.5 at stage 1/2/3

[desert moat]

Ah gotcha that's what i thought

[burnt sandal]

nope

Haz 3/3.5/3.5 for normal Deep Dives

[plucky plover]

When will get get elite elite deep dives that are 5.5 6 6.5

[hoary cove]

probably never

[torn verge]

the devs have repeatedly said that they don't want to add new content thats only for the bleeding edge of players who play the most difficult stuff
because only like 1% of players get there
the number of players who do haz5 is comparable to the number of players who play on haz1

[burnt sandal]

never

[plucky plover]

feelsbadman

[obtuse ingot]

Oh really? I just assumed everyone that has played for a while starts playing haz 5 regularly

[burnt sandal]

well, no

most people don't even pass the 50 hours mark

[lime meteor]

You have no idea how many silver+ promoted dwarfs I see on haz 3 💀(I don't want to do salvage operation so I joined a haz 3 salvage)

I barely see hosted haz 5 lobbies

[trail pivot]

noone wants to do salvage and escort on higher difficulty

[limpid pond]

What's so bad about Salvage Operation?

[gloomy lake]

think it's just harder than the other types of jobs. more things can go wrong

[limpid pond]

I guess it's one of two missions with a fail state other than wiping, but it's really not much harder than any other mission type. Your Engineer just has to do their job, and you get no timed swarms and guaranteed Nitra surplus in return. Escort Duty on the other hand...

[gloomy lake]

I mean if you have to write a paragraph about it: more things can go wrong

[limpid pond]

Two words: Repellant Additive.

[gloomy lake]

you'll go far with this attitude (thumbs up emoji or equivalent)

[limpid pond]

I mean, you're not exactly being specific by just saying "more things can go wrong". What, exactly? Bulks/Nemesis during the holdouts? Pheros or the Scout running out can lead them away or distract them, Bulks can be frozen, and you can just pin them in place with slow effects so they never reach you, and that's that. Just the holdouts in general? Repellant Plats + Driller flattening the area makes pretty much any place a fortress, no bunkers needed.

[gloomy lake]

(more things can go wrong)

[trail pivot]

stupid black box

dumb drill

ruin everything

[limpid pond]

Wow, you sure showed me

[gloomy lake]

You just listed a bunch of things that can go wrong

[limpid pond]

"A bunch of things can go wrong" in a 1/1 Mining Expedition by that logic. Doesn't suddenly make the mission type hard.

[gloomy lake]

It's harder than mission types were fewer things can go wrong

[hoary cove]

other mission types are easier to lone wolf ig

[limpid pond]

What if someone doesn't deposit all the Morkite and you lose 😱
ME hardest type -9999/10 would never play again

[unkempt lantern]

first EDD attempt wiped at the black box on stage 3. Second we had a competent scout who kited it away and survived.

[trail pivot]

mini mules are annoying as hell tbh

there is enough background noise with the dwarves who can't shut up without two or three mini mules constantly beeping and zipping around

[obtuse ingot]

When I play on public games I just join chill levels, too. I don't know everyone's play style and just want someone to make some missions go faster and just zone out a bit. Playing with friends is always haz 5, though, but pretty much never on public for me (I'm 2 star platinum with all my characters)

[gloomy lake]

Honestly if you join public games you should be down to provide and down to wipe. It's all good

[obtuse ingot]

I'd love to see what the actual numbers are for people playing the different hazards

[limpid pond]

Haz 5 randos are generally pretty competent. I always keep reading about horror stories with obnoxious, toxic trolls, but that stuff never happens in Haz 5. There's def people who don't know what they're doing, and if the mission is tough, I'm usually the one who has to pick up after everyone else, but I'd say 8/10 missions are pretty regular.

[gloomy lake]

So 8/10 games are good? What's the problem?

[limpid pond]

1/10 that's just a shitfest because of the difficulty variation. Had a pub mission where a BET-C, Korlok, and Prospector simultaneously aggro'd right at the start. We won that one.
1/10 where your teammates let their little brothers play and you insta wipe.

[gloomy lake]

*raises paw* did you verify the latter claim?

[limpid pond]

I don't know what else would possess someone to shoot a Fat Boy at a Dreadnaught Cocoon while everyone else is down

[gloomy lake]

okay so that's a hard negative

[limpid pond]

Still a better experience with randos than 99% of games

[outer bloom]

On both Escort Duty and Salvage, enemies are attracted to a singular point and there’s more than 1 way to fail the mission. In other words, more things can go wrong.

[unkempt lantern]

I did a H5 match with 2 legend rank and one no promotion. No promotion was chill, just trying to play. legend 2 gunner TK'd me for no reason.

overall clueless greenbeards are much nicer to play with than jaded legends

[limpid pond]

Escort Duty for sure. Salvage Op, I still don't agree with, but I guess I can agree it's slightly harder than the other mission types.

[gloomy lake]

We've arrived

[limpid pond]

Salvage Op in a Deep Dive context also means even more Nitra carryover between stages. Escort Duty is more of a Nitra vacuum

[gloomy lake]

mhm

[obtuse ingot]

Cool! Maybe I'll hop in some time with some haz 5 folks

I haven't ever had any problems with random people, personally. Always been real cool and fun 👍

[cold skiff]

yeah i play exclusively haz 5 but my failure rate is pretty low with randos

it takes some real fucked up gen for things to go wrong

haz 5 is very great fun, go for it. after playing it for so long i cant go back to any other difficulty

[buoyant wing]

I play haz2/3, usually aim to help out greenies with learning
I only really play 4/5 with others if the host decides they wanna try a higher haz or if I'm playing with friends

[quaint lake]

it also depends on what you are using as weapons

some weapons can seem fun to use, but have pretty much 0 clutch potential because of how bulky and unresponsive they are

and having unresponsive weapons on haz5 is hell

because on some tough gen you will always get at least one moment where everyone scatters and fights for themselves because the team is getting overwhelmed

[hoary cove]

what wud you consider an unresponsive weapon

[quaint lake]

where it's hard to be on the move and quickly switching targets

the shotguns and high single shot damage weapons are pretty responsive

because you only did to spend a fraction of a second of your time to kill 1 thing

[hoary cove]

so u wud consider loki and hurricane to be unresponsive

[trail pivot]

loki feedback is unsatisfying

takes a lot of control away from the player

[hoary cove]

i wudnt say it takes away control, it just requires you to aim in a way that isnt immediately intuitive to most ppl

the 2 best ocs on loki (ECR and exec) make it pretty responsive since they both decrease the delay between locking on and shooting a target

[trail pivot]

Maybe the problem is how boring the gun is

[hushed sequoia]

dd is haz 3-3.5 so swarms are smaller than higher hazards but yeah in general big rooms are a bit barren

like the 180m long escort caves that have 3-4 veins of nitra and all the oil shale is suspended by land bridges 40m above you

[hoary cove]

thats just subjective tho, i find it to be way more interesting then the other engi primaries

[echo storm]

i love the lok1

i dont even use the others

executioner rounds my beloved

[signal sinew]

So folks

How do I make sure my team doesn't die to the EDD welcoming party

[echo storm]

just dont rush and have the driller do cool things

[potent vector]

i’m trying to love warthog but it just feels so weak

[fresh geyser]

Just got 2 bulks in edd stage 2, and one of them was an elite

[potent vector]

F

[mellow quail]

is this weeks elite dd good bad hard easy what

[tardy girder]

it wasn't too hard imho, stage 1 drops you into an absolute cluster of turrets, but you should be fine if your team's halfway competent

[mellow quail]

thanks

[tardy solar]

good easy and fast

Just have scout grapple onto the turret controller right at the start and defend him and then ez pz

[mellow quail]

just 2 man the elite deep dive, it was a random the only hard one was the first round with all the turrets

so i presume since i was able to 2 man it with a complete random, we had 2 close calls. I would say this elite deep dive is easy to medium

if i had a suggestion I would sugget you make sure gunner is using shield duration instead of radius, also i would wait until the one drink that gives you 30% more hp is the drink

golden loot bug on the first round

[severe tusk]

The most dangerous thing in the EDD this week was our Driller.

[muted sedge]

stage two of Normals quite some cave huh

[potent jewel]

Jesus fuck what a cave

[potent jewel]

Had to use the dna spirals to make the pipelines

[oak lichen]

use zipline

[limpid pond]

"Unintuitive" AKA unable to damage Hiveguard, can't hit the weakpoint of anything not immediately parallel to you (Wardens, Bulks, Grabbers, Patrol Bots, Goo Bombers, Brood Nexi, Breeders)

It's the dumbest damn "smart" gun I've ever seen. ECR is only good because it completely ignores the stupid aiming, Executioner still has to deal with this shit

And Seeker Rounds loses DPS and probably isn't going to hit weakpoints either.

I'd say it's the most fundamentally shitty gun in the game if GK2 didn't exist

[placid lodge]

Hey how many Bulks did you guys meet during this weeks normal Deep Dive? Cause I met three…
I just want to know if someone else had a similar experience.

[limpid pond]

Sounds about right

[trail pivot]

two

[limpid pond]

People say Smart Rifle is Titanfall-inspired, but Smart Rifle literally has the exact opposite aiming function of the Titanfall Smart Pistol. It doesn't aim for heads, it doesn't aim near the reticle first, it paints groups one lock at a time instead of one enemy at a time, and the lock-on speed is slow as molasses

But all because Executioner stat pads it to be OK and ECR is OP, everyone jumps out of their seat to defend it as good design and you're just bad, nevermind the shitty ammo. The gun itself sucks.

[lavish spire]

Guys, did you have any problem playing Deep Dive? My game just crashed with this message: Fatal error: [File:Unknown] [Line: 969]
FMallocBinned2 Attempt to free an unrecognized block 3E6DCEA900000000

I was just finishing the last mission

[burnt sandal]

verify your game's files

[trail pivot]

if you could choose a spot where the shots would rebound into enemies at least that would make it interesting

but the smart rifle feels like an in universe over engineered expensive paperweight

Maybe you are supposed to over-rely on secondary while using it

have never tried it with breech cutter

[oak lichen]

the LOK just feels like a worse voltaic tbh

sure the aiming system is nice but that's about it

ammo economy is out the window

[jolly hazel]

try ECR

[severe tusk]

I think LOK-1 Explosive Chemical Rounds is amazing, to the point where it's the only primary I use for Engineer.

[lavish spire]

Nothing wrong with it

[limpid pond]

Well yeah, it's insanely strong, and part of that is because completely ignores the mechanics of the weapon it's on. You just lock three, shoot, and everything explodes. You still have to fight against the weird group lock-on, but you don't have to care about actually aiming the thing at all.

[hoary cove]

it doesn’t ignore the mechanics of the gun, it just makes aiming it not as required

[limpid pond]

That's what I said

[candid bobcat]

SMRT targeting system isn't very SMRT

[hoary cove]

the main problem isn’t the mechanic of the gun but the fact so much power is loaded into its ocs + the fact that the mod tree has a lot of meh mods

[limpid pond]

I think it's both

[echo storm]

i use blowthrough rounds

lol

[jolly hazel]

change one of the meh mods to make it like the smart gun from aliens

fully automatic, auto targeting, more ammo

*overclocks

make it unstable and make it do zero weakpoint dmg

also it overheats like minigun

[idle relic]

Was the long boi cave vine in mission 2 in everyone's deep dive? (Asking because I don't remember what's consistently on everyone's deep dives)

[jolly hazel]

plus mag reload

[idle relic]

I think I forgot to take a screenshot of 'em. It was a great cave vine.

[jolly hazel]

static spawns are based on platform and player count

[idle relic]

So any 4-man group on steam would have the same cave vine my 4-man steam group had?

[jolly hazel]

yes

[idle relic]

Good to know

[upbeat chasm]

elite cave vine

[trail pivot]

3

I had 3

[cursive sail]

Is this week’s edd solo-able, or ig more manageable than most? If so, what have you guys run solo for it?

[raven grove]

Warthog is great. Oneshots grunts and dumps huge damage into everything else.

[tardy solar]

Did it as scout but you can solo it with any class pretty much, it's on the easier side of things

Flamethrower driller might have an easier time as it's glacial strata and there is a rival presence on stage 1

[vocal portal]

I hated it until i slapped magnetic pellet alighment on a gun. Then it started to be good-feels like a propper shotgun, powerful and consistant and not like some weird melee option that consistantly kills bugs only when you shove it into their faces at point blank

Non MPA warthog is just meh for me though. It keeps missing oneshots even at close range if you moving, and you want to be on the move if you dont want to become a bug food or get noscope by trijaw

[hoary cove]

goo is always a safe option going into an edd blind

[fast fog]

M1000 for hipster, or rewiring drak. What would y'all recommend for elite deep dive? Both specced for damage, but m1000 specifically for the charge shot blowthrough rounds that one shot grunts. Also, secondary is crossbow (no oc because I don't own any...) with chemical explosion special ammo.

I pretty much always do stuff solo, so any advice for this one is appreciated

[hoary cove]

i don’t recommend using hipster with a blowthrough build. I prefer dmg and weakpoint dmg

rewiring has a lot of total dmg but ammo isn’t a problem on deep dives, especially if ur doing it solo

[tardy solar]

I do recommend using hipster with blowthrough but build it for cc

it still has solid single target anyways

[hoary cove]

m1 doesn’t do cc

wtf

[tardy solar]

it does cc pretty well

[hoary cove]

pls explain

[tardy solar]

23211 hipster, use it like a submachinegun

clears waves pretty solidly for a scout

can stay some distance away and still get the full potential unlike the boomstick (which is still very solid for cc)

[hoary cove]

i wud prefer to not take hipster

[hoary cove]

killing waves isn’t the same as cc

[tardy solar]

elaborate

[hoary cove]

crowd control usually refers putting some kind of status on crowds

m1 just kills hordes

also if u want to take blowthrough, u shud 100% not use hipster

blowthrough with base gun has much better breakpoints and will not give u rsi

[tardy solar]

m1000 still does that in that build, it's not awful for priority targets

blowthrough on hipster enables the quick single target on more targets at once

[hoary cove]

it’s not awful cus it’s m1, but you aren’t playing to it’s are the

[hoary cove]

you aren’t using blowthrough while hitting single targets lol

[tardy solar]

I mean

you can clear a single grunt very fast

you can also clear a bunch of them in not much more time

that's what I mean

[hoary cove]

so can dmg hipster, since it one shots them

[tardy solar]

building it for crowd killing enables you to kill the swarm faster and with less ammo consumption

while not damaging the utility of the base gun

[hoary cove]

it’s fine to do that, but don’t do it with hipster

cus it’s just worse then no oc

[tardy solar]

hipster makes it much better really

[hoary cove]

no it doesn’t

[wanton knot]

holy shit the dd cave on stage 2 was insane

[tardy solar]

yes it does

done and tested

[hoary cove]

are u doing the cursed focus shot dmg hipster build

[tardy solar]

no

it's 23211

[hoary cove]

then yes it is 100% worse

[tardy solar]

nah

the higher rof makes it so nice to use

[hoary cove]

not when it requires more shots to kill

[tardy solar]

you just have to give up trying to hit weakpoints when fighting swarms

[hoary cove]

base m1 doesn’t need weakpoints either

[tardy solar]

yes but blowthrough enables you to hit more targets at once so at the end of the day you don't spend more ammo and kill swarms faster

[hoary cove]

i don’t think your listening. I’m compare blowthrough hipster to blowthough no oc

blowthrough no oc is better

[tardy solar]

ah

still no

[hoary cove]

hipster can be really good for single target and clicking grunt heads, or if u want to go fora focus shot blowthough build (which i hate but technically gives you more ammo to work with

[tardy solar]

higher rof makes it faster

[hoary cove]

it really doesn’t

[tardy solar]

it does

[hoary cove]

less shots to kill and better breakpoints

i’m not spamming hipster for .3s faster killing lol

especially when base gun has far better breakpoints and is way more versatile

hipster is a great oc, but just spamming blowthrough is the dummest and worse way to use the gun

[tardy solar]

I'll try no oc again later and see how that goes

the blowthrough build always works for me

[hoary cove]

blowthrough is awful compared to weakpoint dmg hipster imo

you can one shot grunts and it has the highest single target dps of any scout primary by far

[tardy solar]

blowthrough is needed for the crowd clearing build I used, I left the high single target for embedded detonators zhukov

[hoary cove]

ye but if ur doing blowthrough why use hipster lol

it just makes things take more shots to kill

[tardy solar]

I've said that, the higher rof and ammo made it much faster

[hoary cove]

it’s really not that much faster and def not as efficient

[tardy solar]

ammo-wise it definitely is with the amount of ammo hipster gives

[hoary cove]

not the way ur using it dude

the reason blowthough focus shot hipster is ammo effienct is cus it can at least kill grunts on 1 focus shot

[tardy solar]

using that build I got through the edd with only one resupply

[hoary cove]

ur build takes way more shots to kill hordes and ur more shots for mactera, spitters etc

[hoary cove]

lol sure buddy

[tardy solar]

it's less efficient for priority targets yeah

[hoary cove]

not priority targets

[tardy solar]

don't believe me?

[hoary cove]

grunts

[tardy solar]

for grunts it's a wonder

[hoary cove]

it’s not nearly as efficent and not even much faster

[hoary cove]

nope

[tardy solar]

it's unfortunate that I don't have a video but I reached stage three in like 15 minutes with something like 20% ammo left on m1000

finished it at 21 minutes

that was fast enough to not need an extra resup

[hoary cove]

ok i just looked at ur build and holy shit that is cursed

[tardy solar]

worked very well still

[hoary cove]

it working does not mean it’s a good build

[tardy solar]

I can assure you it would work better than no oc

[hoary cove]

m1000 being a super strong gun in general does not mean that’s a good build lol

it really won’t

i don’t think you understand how busted the base gun alone is

[tardy solar]

I'll run it without oc and see how it goes

[glossy walrus]

m1000 base is really strong yeah, I use hoverclock on mine which is just base gun for shooting, and it does great with focus blowthrough shots

[glossy walrus]

sounds like you just don't know how to aim it properly. it can hit the weakpoints on every single enemy you listed there, just have to learn how to aim

it is indeed inspired by the seer pistol from titanfall, except the devs made a lockon gun that takes skill to use which is wonderful

[limpid pond]

"Skill", AKA clicking Explosive Chemical Rounds

[glossy walrus]

this is without using ecr

executioner is the biggest beneficiary of learning how to aim

[limpid pond]

Sometimes I question if I even play the same copy as other Deep Rock players

[glossy walrus]

if it were actually a weakpoint lockon gun like the seer it'd make it a nobrainer choice for his primary in most cases, which is very much not what I imagine the devs want

I mean, if you don't know how to aim the lok1 properly, that's on you, not the game

it is unusual having to curve shots into weakpoints, but it's not the seer pistol, it's the lok1

the bullets follow the red line, so you lockon to the target then curve the line so it passes through the weakpoint

can hit a praetorian butt from the front if curved upwards, every enemy you listed above's weakpoint can be curved into as well

[limpid pond]

Mind explaining how to hit Hiveguard's second phase weakpoints?

[glossy walrus]

curve it into the horns

will probably have to be near the front half like most every other normal gun has to do, but it can still do it fine

pretty sure it isn't possible with seeker rounds though since they make the bullets teleport into the center of the enemy

I love using executioner to curve rounds into the caretaker's eye on a side that's 90 degrees away from me

[limpid pond]

🤔

[limpid pond]

Except it is the braindead best pick due to ECR...

[glossy walrus]

a legitimate problem of the lok1 is it only really has 2 ocs, ecr and executioner, with ecr being the lazier general purpose one

it's not always the best though, executioner kills bosses and big things way better

and executioner is one of the best engie primaries for some enemies like caretaker

being able to cover 3 sides from one location is a wonderful thing that no one other than hurricane gunner can do

and hurricane gunner takes a ton more work to do right

[fast fog]

I like executioner because curving stuff into weak points feels amazing.

[glossy walrus]

yes it really does feel amazing. a lockon gun that takes skill

[fallow niche]

consider

napalm PBM on rival presence

[fast fog]

Its like you're big braining the bugs. Shooting them in the back but looking at their face.

[fallow niche]

y/n

[fast fog]

(I forget what PBM is)

[limpid pond]

Executioner is probably one of my last picks for an Elimination, weakpoint focused primaries are useless because if the Dread weakpoint is exposed, you want to dump heavy burst with your secondary.

[fallow niche]

plasma bunkledunk missiles

[minor bloom]

Plasma burster missile

[fast fog]

I haven't used the hurricane in so long, forgot about those

[limpid pond]

The one bad way to build Hurricane...

[fallow niche]

how PBM is a balanced overclock but salvo is 'unstable' is beyond me.

[limpid pond]

It's because "Balanced" and "Unstable" are decided on a coin flip and don't mean anything

[glossy walrus]

it's not his best way to kill a dread if you must use the absolutely most efficient option always, but it does the job fine. none of his kit can compare to executioner on caretaker though due to being able to cover 3 sides from one position

ecr can do it but it's noticably worse because you have to relock so much

[limpid pond]

Just Hyper Prop the eye smh

[glossy walrus]

you can only hyperprop one side from one spot, not 3

[mint geyser]

me joining a DD at far because the 2 closer lobbies are full

[glossy walrus]

being able to cover 3 from the safety of a nice tree fort is a wonderful thing on high haz caretakers

[mint geyser]

HAHA 1000 PING

this is the most cooked DD lobby ever, 2 scouts and no driller, 3 different languages being spoken, and i have 1000 ping

[limpid pond]

Honestly, I can't earnestly agree with that statement. There's always going to be the fact that you're going to be busy locking on when Warthog and Stubby would be killing things. They really should've leaned more onto that as a weakness, and maybe additional things like smaller mag size or longer reload if you really needed to, but they just made it shit at everything, unless you luck out and get its two viable OCs. I can't fathom why people defend it, even using "Just get a good OC pull 4Head" as an excuse for LOK-1's sorry design.

[mint geyser]

me with no lok oc

[gloomy lake]

still coping?

[mint geyser]

personally i'm a stubby enthusiast

[gloomy lake]

only good thing about gunner

is that brt gun

[mint geyser]

burt is fun

[gloomy lake]

(smooth they couldn't even tell)

[mint geyser]

the minigun or the lil guy

[gloomy lake]

precisely

[mint geyser]

both are fun tbh

[wraith shard]

Looking for people to join my deep dive. I am on Xbox and use the same name as this Discord account

[minor bloom]

#lfg-xbox-microsoft

[glossy walrus]

not particularly, if it had weakpoint lockon it would have precision weakpoint accuracy at far longer ranges than warthog or stubby could dream of, and without even needing to be able to see the enemy in the dark. they would need to nerf lockon speed or reload or etc a ton to make the others viable if you could just lockon to a crowd of bugs and hit all their weakpoints with no thought

I don't think the lok1's oc or mod situation is in a particularly good place right now since there's 2.5 viable ocs and half the mods are traps or no brainers, but as an overall design I'm quite fine with the direction they were aiming with it. it legitimately is a lockon gun that requires skill to use properly, just less so with ecr

[strange granite]

you are being sarcastic right? lok1 takes anything but skill. 😂 as you said, the game does the aiming for you

[glossy walrus]

it's just on the more complicated side as it's not the most obvious that it's an option to curve it to hit weakpoints that aren't straight on

your statement that started this convo is the perfect example

[limpid pond]

Fair point on the super longe range unrealistic snipes. But that could be coupled with a range nerf. But my ideas for fixing Smart Rifle are very speculative, so it's hard to say what exactly would be fair and fun

[bold maple]

Fighting the lock on system to get locks on the specific target you want plus trying to curve the bullets into a weak point while a swarm is at your feet does take skill

[hoary cove]

lok1 requires more aim then most guns in the game lol

if you shoot it like an idiot, it’s 100% just worse then shotty and stubby

[strange granite]

name those guns

[hoary cove]

most of them tbh

actually i take it back, it depends what ur aiming for. But in general, loki is def hard to aim

especially when a targets center of mass doesn’t let you hit the weakpoint easily

i can see some ppl saying projectile weapons are harder to aim, but i def think loki is the hardest hitscan gun in this game to aim properly (i’m not counting autocannon cus that gun is designed to be highly inaccurate)

[split shadow]

yeah for optimally landing weakpoint hits the lockon is pretty hard

actually hitting bugs is obviously less of an issue

[cyan sparrow]

Hurricane is clearly the hardest to aim

[clear rapids]

would yall suggest minigun or autocannon for this weeks edd?

[hollow citrus]

autocannon seems better for killing naedocyte shockers cos glacial strata, but both can work

[limpid pond]

People unironically argue this to this very day, I've seen "Hurricane isn't Haz 5 viable" and "Hurricane is useless now that Napalm isn't OP" far too many times

[limpid pond]

Hurricane so you can both snipe Turrets and hit Shockers easily, but between those two, I'd say Burning Hell Minigun. Autocannon blows vs Rivals, and stage 1 is Rival Presence, and the only mildly tough stage.

[clear rapids]

too late i beat it first try

[limpid pond]

Expected

The Elite Deep Dives have been a bit light on the "Elite" these days...

[ebon tundra]

Ran hot goo with all the trimmings on my driller last night, think I died once too a stooopid glyphoid blowing me up.

[fluid cliff]

armor break or stun on turrets for edd

[torn verge]

stun is usually better imo

[fluid cliff]

I’ve been thinking that

the armor break is more dps but it’s not even close to enough to matter on prats

stun is nice for keeping the hoard clumped up and generally slowing them down

[torn verge]

armor break is basically more damage vs grunts
because it'll let the turrets punch through the armor better
stun can save your whole team by stunning mactera trijaws, acid spitters, guards

it's really good

[fluid cliff]

mactera are the best use case imo

little flying shits

oh I missed an argument about the loki yesterday

gun is amazing even without OCs smh

[limpid pond]

I'd say armor break because Engi's kit is loaded with enough CC already. Punching through Grunt armor lets your turrets save ammo and actually kill things

[hoary cove]

jet fuel also kinda wrecks rivals

[limpid pond]

That was implied

[lone silo]

dude the Uplink of Stage 3 of the EDD spawned in the worst possible location

I downed 4 times in it because I could see absolutely nothing

[tacit fulcrum]

mini shells probably not ideal for soloing the DD but I made it work

[charred sparrow]

we ran this one with a driller and carved out some better lines of sight. that could have been pretty awful if we didnt have one :|

[ionic bloom]

edd is so easy

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[unkempt lantern]

thanks bot

[glossy walrus]

think the black box for us was in the spawn room, easiest black box ever (2p ps4)

I know I heard people talking earlier about the black box being in a notably different location with 2p vs 4p, but I forget if this was the week that had it in the spawn room or not (at 2p)

[unkempt lantern]

it was in the spawn room with 4p too this week.

[sudden trout]

For me it was in the spawn room too, with 2p Steam. A detonator spawned during our defense, unfortunately. I am still salty about losing to that

[copper cedar]

Played the first round of the DD there, had 3 detonators in a drill dozer mission, such a siege. Kept having to kite it away from the dozer while the other 2 protected it

[jolly hazel]

4p spawn steam

[hollow citrus]

The diff between 3p and 4p seems so large. we had a gunner who was trying their best but kept getting downed in stages 1, 2 of the EDD, possibly due to bad ping. rest of us were having a rough time dealing with spawns and rezzing too. he finally left before stage 3 and suddenly it was a breeze. had a bulk spawn during stage 3 black box but we killed it relatively easily too.

[hoary cove]

scaling in this game is serious

2 man haz 5 is infinitely easier then 4p

[modern galleon]

2man is generally easier than 4 man no matter what; Simply getting 2 resupps per pod is a huge boon.

[hoary cove]

i mean sure but i mean just the amount of bugs and the bug speed is nowhere near haz 5 4p

fighting in haz 5 2p feels a lot closer to haz 4 4p then haz 5 4p imo

[sly vapor]

dreadnoughts haz 5 2p flashbacks

[hoary cove]

iv killed a dread using trifork + taser bolts while my driller friend watches

[sly vapor]

screaming while you revive your friend when dreadnought classic is next to you

[hoary cove]

why wud classic dread be next to me when 1: i’m probably using taser bolts

2: if my teammate is down i can bait out the roar attack where he stands still for 4 seconds

[copper cedar]

Holy fuck. Stage 2 of the EDD we had a hiveguard spawn. Wtf I've never had a dreadnaught spawn on a none dreadnaught mission before.

[next stirrup]

This weeks dd was fun

Stage 2 especially

I love cave generation like that

[mellow quail]

don't mind me, just passing through

[tardy solar]

[steel patio]

[worthy iron]

[stark crater]

My game crashed twice on start of EDD today, guess Ill let it rest for now.

[fluid cliff]

2 players is easier than 4 u think?

[jolly hazel]

always

[jolly hazel]

2p is technically same as 1 player but you get a living breathing player with you instead of bosco

PBUH

[bold maple]

Yeah 2 players in this game is way too easy

[dense spear]

that stage 2 of the regular DD this week

"hey you guys like caverns 170m long?"

[trail pivot]

yes

[sick wind]

This week dd made me realize how much i hate robots

[magic loom]

Did this week's DD have robots?

[burnt sandal]

stage 1 of EDD does

[magic loom]

Ahh gotcha. I was thinking normal deep dive.

[fresh turtle]

to be fair everything is still within like a 50m radius of the rig

theres a whole two veins of nitra on the far end of the cavern

as if nitra was an issue on the DD this week

[dense spear]

yeah having 800 nitra at the end was fun tho

engineer putting mines on EVERY surface

[wanton knot]

edd was smooth, stage 1 was a bit nutty but it was easy after that lol

[hoary cove]

challenge for the dd: end with exactly 666 nitra

[young harbor]

dd just decided to use all 3 longest mission type in one dive

[dim bramble]

Do you guys think solo driller is doable on Elite Deep Dive?

I stayed in the drop pod and has bosco take out the burst turrets near the turret controller

and then stayed in drop pod to kill the nemesis

I’d imagine it gets much harder though

so I might just stick with normal deep dive for now

[modern galleon]

That initial death bumrush on stage 1 was the worst part of this weeks EDD, imo

[echo storm]

solo point extraction is a little intense tbh

[dim bramble]

Oh

[tardy ice]

It is, I did it a few weeks in a row

[dim bramble]

I just wont do it solo then

[tardy ice]

Yeah I don’t speed run, but got a new best time this week (34 min) on 20m 20heat flame driller. Robots didn’t stand a chance

[orchid stratus]

is it just me or is the second stage of the regular deep dive this week freakishly open

like...so far it just seems like one large room with a massive ceiling

which makes the cave vines look real neat

[summer sinew]

It was the most open cave ive ever seen

super easy refine mission

[modern galleon]

Yep, that mission was awesome- Kinda wish I could see that kind of generation more often. Tempted to redo the DD just to see it again

[orchid stratus]

though I kinda wish the primary mission type wasn't on-site refinery

building a pipeline up a spiral tree was certainly an experience

[summer sinew]

looks like a DNA tho

[orchid stratus]

oh joy, the second bulk det on this stage

[modern galleon]

At least there's plenty of space to lure it around :D

[summer sinew]

btw i never saw that dna tree in other rez

is that a new feature?

[steep pulsar]

Would it be possible to get a rundown on spawns for the Elite Dive?
I wanna know what to bring

[orchid stratus]

annnnd that's bulk det number 3

[modern galleon]

Nope- Existing feature, just very rare.

[modern galleon]

I think enemy spawns are randomized for DD/EDD? The mission type, mutators, biome, and generation seed are set, but I'd swear I've seen people discussing enemy types that I didn't see in DD/EDD.

Assuming they are fixed, though, on stage 3 I remember there being tons of exploders, and a bulk detonator at the least. Like "Exploder infestation" levels of exploders even though there's no mutator. Also remember leeches and spitball infectors in the final room.

[steep pulsar]

I redid it this morning for fun and our driller decided to help us all get “Roller Coaster”

[orchid stratus]

and of course stage 3's dreadnaught is a hive guard

[runic bronze]

the enemies are randomized

[dim bramble]

On my first elite deep dive, and on the 3rd / last mission

doing ok

I am using sludge pump and subata no overclocks

[modern moat]

So, EDD feels really RNG lol, I was able to do EDD until the 2nd depth twice before, I usually gave up on depth 3 since I just cannot finish it, however this weeks EDD is too hard for me to even finish the 1st depth

also this weeks EDD 1st depth drain my ammo really fast

[dim bramble]

Solo?

For me what we did on mission 3 was we just made a big room behind the black box and my sludge pump slowed down the big hordes quite a bit

Couldn’t tell if it was better than no room at all

but I managed to destroy big hordes of grunts with my sludge pump before they got to us

and the occasional grunts that slipped past our rain of bullets

and then I used my c4 satchels near the end just to be efficient with my ammo.

and if u have the fear upgrade or stun upgrade it works really well

[modern moat]

I usually do EDD solo

[glossy walrus]

stage1 is the hardest one of this edd, 10 aquarq race against time always fun, esp with rival presence

I forget how boscoable the aquarqs were since I did it in a duo

[modern moat]

I am using a driller with flamethrower and wave cooker, so my ammo drain really fast

[hoary cove]

flamer shud not be running out of ammo fast

[modern moat]

maybe just me wasting too many ammo

also is it better to bring neurotoxin or impact axe + vampire perk ?

[hoary cove]

if ur using flamer, def bring axes

u need the extra burst damage against big targets, the flamer shud kill all the swarms

[modern moat]

ngl I am totally ok only finishing the 1st stage on this week EDD

at least i got the blank matrix

Oh god I just tried to attempt another EDD and the rival presence spawn the barrier turret around my drop pod

a lot of barrier turret

[jolly hazel]

heat them

[modern galleon]

My team on EDD wouldn't let me get forward with the flamethrower to roast the turrets. 😂 They all bumbled around at the entrance and I couldn't get forward, so they just wasted a ton of ammo tryna kill turrets and other enemies while I revived em when they went down

[modern moat]

Finished stage 2, not gonna bother with stage 3. I just tried it and soloing the blackbox is nightmarish

[south zinc]

what do u run with

[modern moat]

Driller with Flamethrower, Wavecooker and Impact axe

got overwhelmed with the amount of swarm on a small place

I was able to survive stage 1 and 2 since I drill a cave and camp there during a swarm

[manic hedge]

Its randomized in the sense that spawns vary by amount of players. Spawns for set groups are fixed, but they may show up at various times and/or in qty for horde units.

[lost tartan]

if im going solo is it a must to have driller this week?

[modern galleon]

I wouldn't say it's a must, but it would certainly simplify the start of the first mission if you bring a flamethrower.

Also would help getting the eggs out a bit I spose.

Should be doable with any

[lost tartan]

oh i just realised

i can only go on deep dives with only character ive promoted

is it feasible to do this week as a solo scout

[tacit merlin]

Yea its possible. Dont see how the 2nd stage will go for you though

[modern galleon]

Normal DD might be a bit annoying, but EDD should be fine if you're good at kiting

[worthy iron]

EDD was easy this week. But I liked DD more, especially the huge cave on 2nd stage

[modern galleon]

Oh heck yeah, Loved that cave on stage 2 DD.

[jolly hazel]

are you using sticky fuel (the function not the overclock)

[south zinc]

when the function has sticky fuel

[modern moat]

No, I am using the OC with +range -firerate

is the sticky OC good? I have it in my forge

[jolly hazel]

its pretty good but the one you are currently using is probably the best IMO

take all the sticky fuel mods(except for the one that increases heating speed)+heat radiance

and use it like napalm, just make rings/put sticky flame in the path of bugs

incredibly ammo efficient plus you get a little extra heating for robots

iirc grunts will always die if ignited

unless wardened

you get absurd range with range oc+range mod

so you can start lighting bugs up way sooner than usual if you are defending black box

and they will usually be dead before they get to you

tldr don't use flamethrower as direct damage source outside of face melter

[modern moat]

ok, thanks for the advice

[unkempt lantern]

I use the range OC with the range mod. screw it burn everything within 20 meters.

[jolly hazel]

yeah application is kind of a big deal when it comes to a DoT

[bold maple]

sticky fuel + range mod works pretty well

sticky fuel adds a lot for the sticky flame playstyle

[warped axle]

fire is really good against rivals. Simply applying the full fire effect to a robot will instantly detonate it. Definitely good to bring the increased heat upgrade and maybe even the area heat one in tier 5

since the area heat stacks with direct fire heating if you're within the area heat's range

[burnt sandal]

stay in the pod and shoot through them

[warped axle]

better yet, C4 'em

[burnt sandal]

works too but might get you kicked

[warped axle]

or use drills to get their attention

or just don't revive them until the turrets are dead

[glossy walrus]

yeah the extra fire dot from it is pretty big, think it makes it so haz5 grunts basically always die walking through one line of sticky flames or something with no other help?

it is kind of a pain to use though since you either have 25mag with extended range or 50mag with shorter range

not the worst managing 25 mag since sticky fuel flames are brutal, but still some effort reloading so much

[limpid pond]

High Pressure Ejector is so much better than High Capacity Tanks it's not even funny

25 fuel is more than enough to paint the cave orange, and it lasts so long you can mag dump, switch to secondary, trigger Born Ready, and still have the flames up

[hoary cove]

i only take mag size with direct flamer builds cus thats when i abuse heat radiance anyways

[steep pulsar]

Fellow Dwarves, I am Pleased to announce that I have successfully Completed my first EDD

[tardy solar]

First of many

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[faint shell]

oh damn

I love these announcements, gotta get to divin'!

[balmy lodge]

Brothers, nemesis in all three stages of the EDD

[severe tusk]

Lots of opportunities to practice the Phase Bomb Shuffle.

[ivory marten]

I hope the dive ain't too bad.

[balmy lodge]

The first mission, he was instakilled by the on-site refinery

[reef bison]

Both dives are easy for last week in fairness. 2nd stage of normal dive probably the best we've had on a dive for a while

[flat crest]

I would like to try my first deep dive before reset tomorrow, if I can't find folks that wouldn't mind playing it with a greenbeard, is it possible/viable with Scout or Gunner solo? Since those two are the classes I'm most comfortable with atm. I've promoted all of them, but there are so many aspects to this game and the classes, so it will take time to feel decent at them all for sure. ^^ I'm so enjoying learning and challenging myself to get better tho 😄

Def enjoy the game the most when playing with others and in vc 😄
Is there perhaps someone out there that wouldn't mind playing this DD with me some time today? If so, I'll be either Scout or Gunner, depending on what class might work best with whatever you prefer to play 🙂 (EU)

[sour lynx]

You can definitely do a deep dive solo with either
I've done it solo as driller, but I see a lot of people soloing with scout here

[wraith shard]

What is the oktoberfest beer with the sausage

[sour lynx]

It's part of an event in game. It already finished though

[flat crest]

Cheers, appreciate the reply! 🤗

[sour lynx]

No prob. I'd help but on steam I don't have any promoted dwarves yet

[flat crest]

No worries! ^^ You mostly play console and prefer that? 🙂

[sour lynx]

I started on console cause it was free for ps plus but I prefer PC

It's much easier to find teammates with voice chat and it has mods

Just finished DD on PS4 with scout and an engie teammate and honestly, I could have easily done it solo with scout.
The hardest part would probably be the escort duty in the begining. It's not the easiest with scout.
But at least the oil shale was nearby so still doable

[topaz sluice]

shakes drop pod door HURRY UP! I NEED THE DEEP DIVE WEEKLY UPDATE! LEMME IN! LEMEE INNNNN!

[sour lynx]

Have a blackout stout and take a breather

[topaz sluice]

[severe tusk]

When I first started playing DRG, I did a lot of missions solo because I did not want to be a burden on others before I learned how to do all of the missions. I did my first Deep Dive solo too. In retrospect, that probably isn't necessary. There are a lot of very experienced players who do not mind helping new players out. You could even just host a Deep Dive and write in the game description that you are new and looking for some help for your first dive and get at least one person to join you fairly quickly. If you can't get a group for some reason, send me a message, and I can help out.

[wraith shard]

Of course it's the Exclusion Zone

[grizzled pawn]

Just got 3 bulks in the last deep dive, stage 1

[grizzled pawn]

2nd stage, up to 5

[idle marsh]

Oh, that sounds pleasant...

[flat crest]

I def wouldn't have started to play this game, if I didn't have friends to play it with. I'm glad a friend suggested it, 'cause I've been having so much fun learning it! So I didn't even do any solo missions until like last week. Personally solo is okay, but not really that fun for me. In vc with others tho, I love it 😄
I got a dm earlier from someone who saw my message, and we ended up playing the deep dive! It went great and was so much fun!
Thx for the suggestions and for future reference, I like meeting new folks and would def be up for playing the game in general ^^ (tho not haz5 yet xD)

[grizzled pawn]

I think we had 6 total

Thr first one would have killed the run if it were not for iron will and some lucky red sugar on the grouns from the death splosion

[flat crest]

Holy shit that's unlucky!

[grizzled pawn]

The rest were non stressful

1 was during a refuel, then 1 spawned beside me at the drop pod

We just kited it a bit snd then got in

[flat crest]

We got one at the end of a stage, luckily since we were just done with the objectives, we just headed off instead

[grizzled pawn]

Then 2 at the refining which were easy, and i think one during stage 3

Mahbe

Maybe*

But yeah

The first one was the only scary one

I just chunked the rest with my m1k and my gf used her loki on them

Rlly fun deep dive, def helped my mood as im sick rn

[flat crest]

my first deep dive, was a lot of fun, I'm very glad we didn't get like 6 bulk detonators tho xD

[grizzled pawn]

XD

6 bulks is fun

But yeah

Reason we died to the first was because i froze myself and it at the same time, and didnt csll the freeze fast enough because i could barely talk

So she killed it as it became unfrozen

Jt was hugging doretta

And both of us

I love drg

[severe tusk]

Nice, glad you got it done. I actually just usually play Haz 4 because it's chill.

[wraith shard]

Sorry i shouldve clarified what i meant,
Is it based on an actual beverage? Cause i never seen a beer with a sausage in it

maybe thats common idk

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[trail pivot]

last EDD was hard on the heart. let's do it again.

[topaz sluice]

A bit excited to see how I do on the next EDD considering I've been playing far more Haz 5 lately.

[sick lake]

This week's DD was pretty easy. Very generous on sugar and nitra. Just took awhile to complete

[hollow citrus]

We haven’t had dense biozone in a while

Although I don’t really enjoy the coral and cacti it is a cool biome overall

[trail pivot]

🙏🏿 no drilldozer📿

[hollow citrus]

drill refinery drill incoming

[burnt sandal]

good

dense biozone is pain

[ivory marten]

I might join in on scouting out the Deep Dive this week

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[glossy breach]

has no idea what a deep dive is
s anyway

[tulip kraken]

when release new dlc ?

[random rampart]

Wrong channel. But its in a certain day

Maybe with s3

[full furnace]

Wow, I was happy that the massive caves in this Deep Dive didn't have Cave Leeches on my run.

[ivory marten]

15 minutes until the dives drop.

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[burnt sandal]

with the season 3

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone!

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[ivory marten]

Rock and Stone!

Oh hey Muffin!

:D

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Unhealthy Tunnel
Stage 1: 2 M.U.L.E.s + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
Stage 2: 7 Aquarq + Dreadnought Twins | Exploder Infestation
Stage 3: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | No Mutators

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Mythic Keep
Stage 1: 10 Aquarqs + 📡 1 Black Box | Elite Threat
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + Dreadnought Classic | Parasites
Stage 3: 6 Eggs + 📡 1 Black Box | Volatile Guts Exploder Infestation

[tardy girder]

oh boy, magma core

[ivory marten]

I'm gonna try and help with Scouting this week!

[tardy solar]

fungus bungus

[fossil tulip]

DD Stage 2: 7 Aquarqs + Twins with Exploder Infestation

[ivory marten]

Oh come on.

[radiant halo]

😞 point extractions

i don't mind magma core but i don't want to deal with dotty LMFAO please no drilldozer 🙏

[sly kettle]

Don't jinx us, please.

[radiant halo]

the voices

[karmic rain]

the voices

[summer sinew]

Exploder infestation in MAGMA CORE?

damn

[radiant halo]

another volatile guts and sploder infestation damn

happed a few weeks ago too methinks

[worthy siren]

explos on both DD and EDD

[ivory marten]

Stage 1 done.

[tardy solar]

Ah that edd is pretty easy

[ivory marten]

A bit late, I know...

Aer do you have a full team with you?

[fossil tulip]

DD Stage 3: Refinery + 2 Eggs with no mutations

Solo

[ivory marten]

what the fuck

[summer sinew]

refinery

[ivory marten]

I'm also solo what the fuck

[radiant halo]

driller needed or no would you say

[summer sinew]

far better than salvage

[ivory marten]

Aer you're fucking built different.

[tardy solar]

Built like a real speedrunner

[fossil tulip]

Stage 3 terrain is a pain

:(

[tardy solar]

Classic magma core refinery

[summer sinew]

No open cave

[radiant halo]

🥳no dotty

love dotty but she never survies magma core ong

[ivory marten]

and i'm a gunner...

wonderful...

[radiant halo]

best of luck o7

[ivory marten]

At least I tried to help with scouting.

Game was rigged from the start.

[tardy solar]

Welp I guess that refinery will be pretty painful as scout

no bots this week

alright time to clear em for the first run

I'll finish before this album ends

[wind crescent]

new DD are out alreayd ?

[ivory marten]

Stage 2 done.

[ivory marten]

Yeah.

[wind crescent]

noice, thx

[ivory marten]

Aer is built different.

[wind crescent]

Aer ?

[ivory marten]

The dude that scouted out the regular dive this week.

[tardy solar]

bet I can run this edd using only one resup again

[ivory marten]

Ok...

OSR and Eggs. No warnings.

Just me and the damned bugs.

[tardy solar]

9 mins stage 1

could have been better if the black box was in a better position

[sly aurora]

im not lookin forward to exploder on stage 2

[tardy solar]

exploder infestation should be a plus

[ivory marten]

Oh god this is a fucking pipe nightmare.

[sly aurora]

is it a case of solo is going to be fun?

[marsh quest]

Dd never fun solo

[ivory marten]

More like it's a case of High Refinery Low Pumpjacks with shitty terrain.

[ivory marten]

Hey!

[sly aurora]

oh, ceiling pumpjacks, i dont like them

[ivory marten]

If only.

[sly aurora]

will definitly go for LFG this time then

[worthy iron]

So driller is nessesary

I wanted to take a gunner with 1 promotion but I change my mind

[tardy solar]

leaving stage 2 at 18:51

could be much better

[tardy solar]

nah it's fun

I have a better time doing them solo always

just under 27 mins

time for the regular one

[ivory marten]

So after some lunch, I come back, pop one of the eggs out, make it to the end of the wave and now have to deal with two Oppressors.

Bruh.

[sly aurora]

bruh, love it when that happens. hope no bulks

[tardy girder]

DD was fine, despite being in magma core
there was a bulk at the very end, but we managed it fine

[tardy solar]

12 mins first stage of the dd

painful

at least stage 2 seems faster

[alpine raptor]

EDD was SWEATY.

[tardy solar]

what do you mean with sweaty

[alpine raptor]

Difficult.

Last week was a breeze.

[sly aurora]

last weeks refinewas fine, only issue was tunneling through a wall for easier pipeline (I was gunner)

[tardy solar]

this week's is pretty easy tbh

been a while since I had real trouble with an edd

leaving stage 2 at 22 mins

kinda fucked up the dread fight

lost like two minutes there

[ivory marten]

Boom Baby! dive is done.

[sly aurora]

rock and stone

[ivory marten]

Desert Ranger paintjob for Engie.

[tardy solar]

PSA: the lootbugs who insist on walking on my pipes have died a painful death

[ivory marten]

Neat.

[tardy solar]

made sure to dump an entire mag of embedded detonators on each one of them

[tardy solar]

also pog

leaving normal dd at 36 mins

the terrain on stage three was bad but not the worst

didn't have to break much terrain to get across

that was actually more fun than the edd this week

[hearty plaza]

For EDD, it is

Fungus Bogs

Stage 1:
10 Aquarq, Black Box, Elite Threat

Stage 2:
250 Morkite, OG Dread, Parasites

Stage 3:
6 Eggs, Black Box, Exploder Infestation, Volitile Guts

i forgor DD lmao

Stage 1 EDD is very gooey, who area around platform is covered. Black Box is very defensible, might want to bring extra plats or unstopabble.

Stage 2 was so remarkably not notable. Dread is in a sloped but decent room, plenty of morkite and nitra.

Stage 3 was in a fairly vertical room sloping alot, but the black box is fairly easy to get to and in a quite defensable point. Just pull eggs and fight there, you will have enough nitra too.

[topaz sluice]

Stage 3 of the DD had me actin' up with two bulks spawning near me

Killed em though >w>

[burnt sandal]

it's RNG

[fluid cliff]

are the deep dives getting easier or are you guys getting better

[topaz sluice]

The EDD first stage is pretty tough :p

elite macteras will always be my bane

[limpid pond]

Hard Deep Dives are just rare by nature

[tawdry tusk]

honestly, the last one took my teammates and I 5 minutes just to get out of the drop pod on the first part of it and then I was the only one who made it to the drop pod at the end because they took a wrong turn and were too deep in glyphids, swarmers, and drones to make it out in one piece.

[fluid cliff]

the first room in the last one was a wild ride

[tawdry tusk]

It was weird that our engy left the pod first but I think he was just bumped out and had to improvise. I was scout and would leave to attract attention for the gunner, driller, and engineer to have a clear shot at enemies

[random rampart]

And as a sane person I order þee to halt such nonsense

[topaz sluice]

that first stage has kicked the two teams I've been on in the ass first time it was a mactera swarm. Second time it was a mactera swarm as we were nearing the drop pod lmao

[gaunt loom]

Heya Miners, why are almost all of the multiplayer deep dives I can see greyed out? it's always the case and I see very few games that are actually joinable

[burnt sandal]

you can't join ongoing deep dives

[gaunt loom]

But they still show in that screen when they're ongoing ? 🤔

[burnt sandal]

yeah

[gaunt loom]

Okay, thanks 🙂

[glossy walrus]

normal rooms you can't join (because they're full) show up on the normal join screen too, they're just at the bottom

same deal here, just there's far fewer running at any given time, so the bottom is generally visible from the top

[spark bridge]

Most intense Elite Deep Dive I've ever had

[umbral valley]

i hate black box on PE
i hate black box on PE

[jolly hazel]

its only haz 4.5

[deep forum]

Hello everyone, everything good?

I'm not able to connect the game discord to the game to receive syndicate rewards and track progress.

Can someone help me ?

[knotty python]

it seems to just be a crapshoot if it works or not. try removing DRG from your list of registered games in discord before launching every time and then cross your fingers. eventually it will work, probably

[deep forum]

Worst I've ever tried and it wasn't :/

[torn verge]

magma core and fungus bogs

[stray coral]

this week's deep dive was a cakewalk

[topaz sluice]

This EDD kicked my ass. I need to work on dodging projectiles

At least its better than my last one. 16 deaths was last week and 6 was this week

[stray coral]

gnarly

any robots?

[topaz sluice]

No

Just macteras and a single dready

At least that is what gave me trouble

[jolly hazel]

simply do not get hit

macteras cannot hit a moving target from more than about 5 feet away

you can evade tri jaws but running either directly at or away from them, dont dodge sideways

if you keep moving brundles wont go into their firing animation (usually)

[brisk pagoda]

trijaw can also be dodged with a C shaped strafe.

[jolly hazel]

C how

like going in a half circle?

pretty standard edd, stage 2 has a leech in the room with dread egg and stage 2 has a leech near the spitballer cluster

[brisk pagoda]

https://youtu.be/RSJCca7Gebw

[topaz sluice]

Time to go against my instincts and practice moving forward or backwards against tri jaws

[stray coral]

tri jaws will hit you if you move backward, move forward, move too far left or move too far right

the trick is to move a bit forward and a bit to the left or right, from my experience

[limpid pond]

Moving forward (towards the Trijaw) works pretty consistently for me

[jolly hazel]

its a parabola, it shouldn't be able to hit you moving forward or away

[jolly hazel]

neat, but my only problem is that you are basically stuck standing still and might make it harder to kite/dodge subsequent projectiles

[tall meadow]

It is a genuine skill issue if you consistently get yourself hit by trijaws

[topaz sluice]

I typically try to notice them and freeze them before they have the chance to fire. The elite threat didn't lemme do that so rip

[brisk pagoda]

that's when you

[topaz sluice]

I can't really throw the det that high xD

I just resort to subata or something on the elites

[tall meadow]

might I introduce the axe?

[brisk pagoda]

thin containment feild is way stronger for mactera especially. subata unforetunately really cant compare to tcf's damage output in most situations. only thing subata has going for it is slightly better single target dps against a frozen enemy with preatorian levels of hp or higher

[topaz sluice]

The epc never clicked with me despite how much I've tried with it. So I gave up on it and went back to Subata. If I figured if it isn't working for me then I wouldn't use it.

I'm not opposed to retrying it, but idk if it will ever click with me

[limpid pond]

Explosive Reload tho

[topaz sluice]

I'll figure out a way to deal with macteras better eventually

[lime meteor]

Thin containment field is a pretty decent crowd clear

and allows for explosive mining

[topaz sluice]

I know that, but I can never get it to set off at the right time so it just wastes ammo and a secondary slot

[lusty shuttle]

Just learn target prioritization and kill them first, then dodge everything else.

[glossy walrus]

mactera tend to be pretty close, so learning the timing to just fire a charge shot then almost immediately shooting a normal shot after isn't all that bad

it's way more finicky when trying to mine with it at longer distance, that takes some real skill and/or trial/error

but close shots aren't too bad because of the delay after a charge shot

[lime meteor]

Trijaws you have to move forward or backward when they shoot they punish left to right movement

[topaz sluice]

yeee I'll practice with it in swarms on solo haz 5 (Bosco will be holding an acorn) and what not later. I adore this game so I'm gonna try my best to get better at it

[hoary cove]

wtf are u talking about? subata is better dps UNLESS its a frozen target because it relies on weakpoint dmg

[brisk pagoda]

tcf oneshots everything within its radius that has less hp than a guard. it instantly kills basic mactera on every hazard, oneshots trijaw on low hazards and does the large majority to brundle and trijaw on hazard 5.

[hoary cove]

sure but when you say dmg output, typically ur refering to dps

[lusty shuttle]

The thing about TCF is that it's a really big explosion.

[hoary cove]

subata obvously cant do aoe so tcf is incomparable

[hoary cove]

ik tcf is strong

subata still can do better dps if we are talking single target tho

[tacit fulcrum]

Consider the setup time of TCF.

You can have multiple targets already dead from subata fire by the time TCF is finished charging.

[brisk pagoda]

22222 with energy rerouting is defintely way way way faster than shooting a group one a a time

[tacit fulcrum]

There's a critical mass of enemies needed before TCF actually overtakes subata. Exactly where it is depends on your precision & trigger finger.

[brisk pagoda]

if you had full auto subata you could maybe kill 2 macetera at most in the time it takes to shoot a tcf

[tacit fulcrum]

If we're gonna compare best case to best case then full auto is not that.

Chain hit gives you two-for-one special on mactera with consistency.

[hoary cove]

im not refering to shooting grunts, im refering to single targets. Also subata is def not good against frozen targets

when it comes to dealing large amounts of damage to a single target, subata is def the best, especially with flamer

[brisk pagoda]

i already said it does a little bit more in single target

the thing is, in practice thats usually not worth picking over the power and utility of tcf. because its not like the subata is some amazing boss slayer.

[hoary cove]

u dont need more swarm clear with flamer tho

explosive reload is good enough dps that u dont even rly need axes

hell explosive reload is so good, u cud even justify using it with goo

[torn verge]

subata stans will destroy their fingers and their mouse mashing at 8 clicks per second before they do 5 minutes of practice to reliably hit tcf shots

[topaz sluice]

I have a finger specifically for subata so it gets arthritis

[hoary cove]

i use both, depends how im feelin and the mission

[flat crest]

I just wanted to share my excitment over this Greenbeard's very first deep dive yesterday, together with a person from the drg community. We did the new DD today and also completed my very first EDD! It was challenging and so much fun! I frickin hate Magma Core 😂 Rock and stone!

[hoary cove]

at least magma core is nice and toasty

[flat crest]

Ps. Without a doubt the most chill and nice gaming community I've ever come across so far

I'm just glad the elite one wasn't in that biome lol. Fungus bogs was more than enough to deal with haha. Stupid green goo

[bold maple]

There's TCF builds to make charging way way faster, this isn't true at all

You can explode a TCF close range in a matter of seconds

[topaz sluice]

Grats on the first EDD! Did my second one today, and it was agony.

[crisp geyser]

I got pretty far into the EDD but in the final stage mistakes were made

[topaz sluice]

rip

[hollow citrus]

How’s the edd this week

Edd point extracts are always a bit hairy

[copper cedar]

Good stuff. Yeah this community is pretty great. I got carried on my first DD way back too haha, now I'm even trying to solo them

[lofty parrot]

dd was fine. Lots of leeches on S1 so keep your eyes open. We lost our driller S2 so S3 was a pain in the ass to set up.

EDD was fine. Only thing was that nitra got scarce until S3

[faint shell]

I don't think driller was necessary for the third stage

an engineer, however, was invaluable

because of the sheer amount of verticality and open spaces/thin pillars in the map, our driller would have to carve his way into the side walls, whereas platforms allowed for a much more direct route

[topaz sluice]

had to drill my team to the drop pod on stage 3 it was fun doing that

[faint shell]

yeah¿

the map was rather small

was basically just one cave without any branches

we essentially didnt have a driller because of ping issues

[topaz sluice]

My second successful run of EDD had two players go into a corner and get downed. So i had to drill under them and c4 then try to find a way to not get swarmed as we went to the drop pod. So I did what any driller would do even in a very simple map: drill.

The instincts kicked in despite them not needing to

Looking back not drilling would have been A. Faster and B. Not as complicated but eh

[mellow quail]

deep dive is easily done solo this week, didnt have a single issue on any of the 3 rounds. Plenty of nitra, quite alot of nitra actually. Had a gold loot bug spawn on first round.

3rd round is kinda annoying if you arent driller but not hard, its annoying just cuz u have to put pipes down and the spots are not ideal

driller or engineer is good for 3rd round

I managed to do it with gunner but it took longer since I had to mine pathways and all that mess with my pick

at-least bosco was there to give me company

[vague mica]

I'm glad I went driller just now when solo'ing the DD. Stage 3 would have been awful for pipes.

[thorn jewel]

EDD point extraction is fine with a sufficiently fast scout

I had all the aquarks uncovered before the first wave, and then deposited mid wave. We did box right after said wave

[fresh turtle]

bit late on this but hey look, another exploder infestation mixed with volatile guts

on the final stage too

this is like the 3rd time this has happened recently

[junior pendant]

2 bulks appeared when we were fighting the dreadnought in EDD, wowee

[worthy siren]

use one bulk to detonate the other and the dread

[stray coral]

don't know who said this was a difficult EDD, that was a cakewalk

[brisk pagoda]

for as long as ive played ive always seen at least one person saying too hard and too easy each, each week. i think the only exception was the one week like a month after update 32 that had doretta fly straight up in the center of a giant room where she was unrepairable for like 3 minutes striaght just getting absolutely slaughtered by a firing squad of acid spitters, betc, spitballers, and a bulk.

it was one of those rooms that basically required pre-drilling

[thorn jewel]

That sounds fucking hilarious

I wish I could do that one

[hollow citrus]

EDD difficulty heavily depends on ur team competency

had a team with 2 greener players, every stage was a bit hairy

[vague panther]

Did 3 man DD. 46:39
First stage was 16:XX
Second was 17:XX

I know we can trim the second by a lot, how are people doing stage 1 in so quickly though?

[oblique cosmos]

2 questions, one is it a super hard one two, is there a haunted cave because I do not know how to play around that monstrosity of a threat

[dim bramble]

I found EDD pretty straight forward

not sure about DD though

mine morkite and black box, kill a dreadnought and black box, 6 eggs and black box

with the typical death traps at the start

so sitting in drop pod and clearing out all the bugs first is ideal

oh got first one wrong

[brisk pagoda]

the ghost doesn't take damage but can still be slowed down by shock and goo. have driller or scout aggro it and kite it away from the rest of the team

[dim bramble]

First is aquaraq, second is eggs , third is morkite and dreadnought.

[oblique cosmos]

Ez then

[oblique cosmos]

I play solo that’s the problem, I wish turrets could aggro it with a mod or something.

[brisk pagoda]

not sure if Bosco or the Loki can target it, but you could use smg to apply shock

[dim bramble]

You can still lead it away yourself, its just very tedious

[dim bramble]

There is no haunted cave for this week’s DD and EDD

[old widget]

Might check in #deep-dive-speedrunning for general tips, and possibly specific ones for this week

[sly aurora]

Two bulk detonators and a praetorian swarm with three oppressors. All around the refineries

[acoustic junco]

dd or edd?

this weeks edd hard?

[hoary cove]

taser bolt moment

[flat crest]

People saying it's either easy or hard, its very subjective. I'm sure for some experienced players EDD might have been easy. For me, doing my very first DD and EDD as someone that is very much still learning the game, I held my own, but EDD was a frickin challenge! 😄 (played together with one person, they were driller in DD and engineer in EDD, I played gunner in both)

[trail pivot]

host crashed third stage

[slate quartz]

So we can see the season 3 teaser if we complete the elite deep dive tonight?

[merry geode]

pretty easy imo

[flat crest]

If you're experienced and very good at the game, prob not that hard. If you're kinda new, might be a challenge 🙂

[burnt sandal]

you wanna see today's teaser ?

here it is : #drg-gallery message

[slate quartz]

wtf lol.

[cursive bough]

use them to kill it

[sly aurora]

During normal dd. Stage 3

[stoic rain]

Saw the description on the season 3 reveal
"Deep Rock Galactic is back for another season of free content to unlock, new toys to use, and challenges to overcome. The rivals are gone, but something much worse has taken their place: Plaguefall. Season 03 will see miners working their way through the new Performance Pass, while cleansing Hoxxes IV of its new plague infestation. As the situation progresses, management will be revealing more information about what employees can do about the growing infestation in due course…

Hope they didn't remove the robots from the game for the next season(

[burnt sandal]

they didn't

the description is misleading

it's just a way to say that the rivals are not gonna proliferate any further

but everything rival themed is still around, just toned down

The devs aren't gonna go the road of deleting stuff they worked on 😄

and they don't want to induce FOMO gameplay either so most of the stuff will stay

[stoic rain]

phew

[oblique cosmos]

Yay

[stoic rain]

I'm usually paranoid when things get removed so that's relive since i was a part of some games that used to do that

@burnt sandal thanks alot

[oblique cosmos]

They worked too hard on all that cool robot shizz to remove it entirely

[burnt sandal]

exactly

[oblique cosmos]

I am excited for the new season tho

[burnt sandal]

they aren't a big studio so what they work on, they keep it

[oblique cosmos]

Yay

[burnt sandal]

no throwing away hard work

[oblique cosmos]

I hope some of it gets reworked so the dwarves can use it

[stoic rain]

Gonna bet rivals were on the planet to get rid of the infection

[oblique cosmos]

Nah

[stoic rain]

but now when dwarfs got rid of them

[oblique cosmos]

They dipped when things got tough

[stoic rain]

the infection began to spread

[oblique cosmos]

Interesting theory

[burnt sandal]

Nah, it was just someone, or something, trying to profit from Hoxxes rich soil

[stoic rain]

Robots never seem

to mine anything

each mission still had minerals

[burnt sandal]

They didn't, they were gathering data

[stoic rain]

they did collect data

but for what

[oblique cosmos]

They’re collecting nft

[burnt sandal]

either to sell that data or for other reasons

anyway, we should move that topic to #drg-chat 😄

[stoic rain]

Ye

[oblique cosmos]

That’s when I think

[stoic rain]

they are trying to get some of these rift cosmetics

[clear rapids]

what should i prep with for the deep dive

the edd

(as gunner)

[fluid cliff]

some dude on the deep dive would not stop pinging

follow me! I know the way! I didn’t take my resupply immediately and he pinged me and then the resupply probably 20 times

like there’s a sweet spot where that tool is super helpful and it went way beyond that

[tall meadow]

They just really want you to have that resupply

[lusty shuttle]

You're gonna like Engie's new grenade, then, the leak showed that season 3 will let him deploy shredders.

[past drum]

both dives were piss easy

[wet shale]

maybe you're just that good

[oblique cosmos]

I lost 2 haz 4 runs in a row ☹️

I’m not good at this game at all

[short sphinx]

get special powder on scout and you can outrun all enemies

[brisk spear]

Yeah jump away from bugs and into 5 million fall damage

[trail pivot]

mood

[short sphinx]

Just shoot at the ground right before hitting it

🤨

or use grappling hook in the air and grapple to the ground

[jolly hazel]

or hoverclock

or hoverboots

[hazy rose]

Or all of the above

[edgy current]

@harsh steppe Will the biohazard pack be given to those that already have the supporter upgrade? Or will it need to be purchased separately?

[harsh steppe]

Bruh, It’s 3am. Also no, it’s a separate DLC like all the other ones.

[edgy current]

k.

[hoary cove]

thank god it’s payed for or i’d feel guilty for all these free updates

[jolly hazel]

I wish I felt important enough to personally notify the devs of my questions

[hoary cove]

i dream of getting roasted by jacob

[hollow citrus]

the hazmat suits do look snazzy. wonder if they actually make ur goggles glow like the promo image, that would be creepy and cool

turning the corner, you see two yellow eyes staring at you, c4 in hand...

[jolly hazel]

it depends on the paintjob

some stuff glows with certain paints and don't glow with others

[twilit turtle]

deep dive into ur mom!

B)

[haughty marsh]

has anyone a nice loadout for engineer?

[dusty viper]

why are there so many bugs during the black box

[limpid pond]

What OCs ya got?