#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 53

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 4:41 PM

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I should be able to test that.

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 4:41 PM

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If anyone's interested in testing it before I get the chance to, a single 00003 Jumbo Shells Boomstick shot should not ignite a praetorian. If IFGs affect heat damage then it should when the praet is inside it. (This should hold as long as all pellets land, blastwave missing/hitting shouldn't affect the outcome despite also being half converted to heat)

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 4:42 PM

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I just take a while to hook the temperature value of the nearest creature.

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That should be all the damage types using in game and their matching wiki name if any```yml
"TemperatureChangePerColdDamagePoint": -1.0, = temperature but no frost damage
"TemperatureChangePerIceDamagePoint": -0.5, = frost damage + 0.5 temperature
"TemperatureChangePerHeatDamagePoint": 1.0, = temperature but no fire damage
"TemperatureChangePerFireDamagePoint": 1.0, = fire damage + full temperature

DMG_Ice: Frost dmg + Cold dmg (Health and Temp. 100%/50%)
DMG_Burn: Fire dmg (Health only)
DMG_Heat: Heat dmg (Temp. only)
DMG_Fire: Fire dmg + Heat dmg (Health and Temp. 100%/100%)
DMG_Cold: Cold dmg (Temp. only)
DMG_Thorns: Thorn perk
DMG_Poison: Poison dmg
DMG_Physical: Melee dmg
DMG_Kinetic: Kinetic dmg
DMG_Falling: Fall dmg
DMG_Freezing: Frost dmg (Health only)
DMG_Electric: Electric dmg
DMG_NoOxygen: Suffocation dmg
DMG_Explosive: Explosive dmg
DMG_Radiation: Radiation dmg
DMG_Disintegrate: Pure dmg, used for SYiH and Temperature shock # In practice same than kinetic, but with a custom death effect
DMG_InteralDamage: Used for the new Explosive Reload OC
DMG_EventExplosion: Tritilyte Bombs
none: Typeless # When nothing is choosen, but there is nothing to default to```

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 4:50 PM

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typo on "Pysical" ?
also, isn't hyper from PGL also disintegrate ?

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Typo fixed.
You are right HP is also disintegrate damage, the list of source isn’t meant to be exhaustive here, mostly a few examples.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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also, is disintegrate called pure, and not disintegrate ?

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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I think this is what we called it so far on the wiki.

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We could change it back to disintegrate as long as we do it everywhere, we came up with the name a long time ago, before finding the full list of damage iirc.

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 5:02 PM

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can bugs take fall damage?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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They can't fall, so I'm going with no.

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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afaik they can’t, except maybe frozen flying bugs? not sure how their death is triggered

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Other can’t fall.

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 5:04 PM

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so if they're on overhanging terrain, and we break it (TCF or something) do they just float?

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cause i've seen floating bugs a few times

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Yes, and if they are far enough from the floor, they are stuck in the air.

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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ok and if they're close to the floor do they just drop slowly/quickly/teleport down?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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If they're not too far they'll sorta float down as they move laterally

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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yeah i've seen that a few times

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ok, grand

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thanks for clarifying

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Exploders (maybe others?) can float up off the ground if you're on a zipline/otherwise airborne and close by.

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Not too sure on the limit for that.

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 5:39 PM

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IFG has no effect on heat.

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Thanks

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 5:40 PM

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But heat damage can actually break armor it seems, didn’t expect that.

analog rock Mar 9, 2021, 5:51 PM

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weary sonnet afaik they can’t, except maybe frozen flying bugs? not sure how their death is t...

Iirc frozen flyers die when they intersect terrain. If frozen high enough, they can unfreeze before hitting and survive (saw it on grabber and bomber, in a pit room in sandblasted)

floral drift Mar 9, 2021, 6:40 PM

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weary sonnet But heat damage can actually break armor it seems, didn’t expect that.

there's also a known bug where Heavy Armor and Unbreakable Armor aren't blocking the Heat given by Direct Damage. at this point I'm betting it won't be fixed before U33 hotfixes end 😔

radiant edge Mar 9, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Was it confirmed to be a bug by the devs?

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Because it would seem intentional otherwise

floral drift Mar 9, 2021, 6:46 PM

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🤔 i mean, it's logical that if the Armor prevents the Direct Damage from affecting the healthbar then it should also prevent the Heat from heating the enemy too

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 7:00 PM

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well, maybe. I'm not too sure "impact resistance" and "heat conductivity" necessarily have to be correlated.

bold plover Mar 9, 2021, 7:10 PM

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You can't stab a turtle easily through the shell, but you can certainly cook it alive.

floral drift Mar 9, 2021, 7:43 PM

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bold plover You can't stab a turtle easily through the shell, but you can certainly cook it ...

i would argue that uses "area damage" rather than "direct"

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heating a turtle in an oven transfers heat in a volume -- you have to crack through a turtle's shell with a hot knife in order to cauterize

analog rock Mar 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Did @low hamlet do something to you guys ?

bold plover Mar 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Yes, he edited my page. Now he must pay with his blood.

sand lantern Mar 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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😔

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Rip in pepperonis

analog rock Mar 9, 2021, 7:52 PM

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bold plover Yes, he edited my page. Now he must pay with his blood.

You wont have blood if he's cooked...
(I'll stop now, no need to ban Tater)

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 9:47 PM

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analog rock Did <@!434706527866060800> do something to you guys ?

o no

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r u n

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or rather, walk as fast as possible xP

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 9:54 PM

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ideas for starting it ?
for the type sections they would start by saying the main sources, and what resists it, maybe later some nice images

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 9:56 PM

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we can yoink icons as well

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 9:56 PM

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actually let me add stub before I forget, and post it so we can add stuff, you know, thing must start somewhere

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 9:57 PM

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yep

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unless you already know where the icons are at, i can take a look through files on unmodel to try to find them

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 9:57 PM

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I know at least that they are not in the same location, even for miner's manual

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also, they have to be manually colored

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 9:58 PM

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yeah

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that bit should be pretty easy

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 9:59 PM

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will see if I can get the colors

radiant edge Mar 9, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Is that page even necessary?

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I mean, all the damage information is located on the respective weapon pages, and weaknesses listed on enemy pages

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 10:07 PM

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it's super spread out on the weapon pages. having it all in one page will make sure it's organized and stuff. numerous other people have wanted it made so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i think it'll be a good addition

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 10:09 PM

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technically the information needed is too much to be contained on only a weapon's page, even more with all the interactions between multiple sources

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 10:12 PM

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yeah. since a lot of damage comes from creatures as well

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 10:13 PM

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no more asking how to calculate damage with IFG on a frozen enemy , using BC on a warden buffed Guard

analog rock Mar 9, 2021, 11:08 PM

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glacial topaz no more asking how to calculate damage with IFG on a frozen enemy , using BC on ...

In magma core ^^

low hamlet Mar 10, 2021, 12:34 AM

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can anyone help me with some parser function stuffs?

shell frigate Mar 10, 2021, 12:51 AM

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What stuff?

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 2:12 AM

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seeing there is a "Mod notice" being worked on, but problem is... it is fixed values, shouldn't it be customizable ? or simply more generic

sand lantern Mar 10, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Is there any info regarding bypassing promotions?

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I think right when I started playing after a long pause (ranks didn't exist before), I went straight to bronze-3

indigo kindle Mar 10, 2021, 9:31 AM

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If you played the game before promotions were introduced and stored a lot of leftover XP, that XP will be accounted for and the game will automatically adjust your promotion level. There was a case of this a few weeks (months?) back in bug-discussion where someone skipped a few promos that way.

gusty bridge Mar 10, 2021, 11:03 AM

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is spray damage considered area damage?

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e.g Praetorian Acid Spray attack

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sand lantern Mar 10, 2021, 1:03 PM

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indigo kindle If you played the game before promotions were introduced and stored a lot of lef...

Is this achievable outside of cases when a patch adding ranks just came out?

indigo kindle Mar 10, 2021, 1:07 PM

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I don't think so (but I haven't tested it, either), unless you're willing to go illegal and do certain things to your save files I shouldn't talk about.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 1:38 PM

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why was the format changed ?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Spray and Clouds should follow the same rules than DoT in general, rather than area damage.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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how to calculate that standard deviation ?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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No idea how do to do that, I would have to search / google it.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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hopefully the one that knows it well will see

sand lantern Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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@floral drift

shell frigate Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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I have learned how to do that years ago, just need to remember

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You can find formulas for it but if you have not taken statistics t will possibly look like nonsense

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 3:56 PM

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also, why do we say AoE and not Radial ?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 4:16 PM

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It was just a choice that was made a while ago, both could have been used.

gusty bridge Mar 10, 2021, 4:25 PM

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it's called Area Damage in PGL stats in game. so we're good there

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would CRISPR be considerd a Spray DoT attack similar to Praetorian spray?

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i know we're splitting hairs here really, but want to be consistent

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Isnt it like an automatc fire weapon ?

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Also I feel even stub template isnt enough for damage page on how barebones and wrong it is for now , hue

gusty bridge Mar 10, 2021, 4:42 PM

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is there an "Under construction" tag or something?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 4:43 PM

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The stub tag would work I think.

floral drift Mar 10, 2021, 4:52 PM

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glacial topaz how to calculate that standard deviation ?

https://www.mathsisfun.com/data/standard-deviation-formulas.html

Find the average of all the data points
For each data point, square the difference of it minus the average
Add up all those squares, and divide by the number of data points
Take the square root of that sum

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 4:53 PM

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complicated

gusty bridge Mar 10, 2021, 4:57 PM

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what are you using SD for?

radiant edge Mar 10, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Man, that's like middle school math lol

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 5:01 PM

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glacial topaz why was the format changed ?

this thing, someone changed the values without including the standard deviation

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 5:37 PM

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randomly saw this, why does it say that when Stubby is Kinetic damage ?

analog rock Mar 10, 2021, 5:42 PM

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glacial topaz randomly saw this, why does it say that when Stubby is Kinetic damage ?

Possibly because the lore text in the game says it does electrical damage ?

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 5:43 PM

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it says "ELECTRIC BULLETS" not electrical damage

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I mean, basing tips and info on lore text seems... wrong

lost perch Mar 10, 2021, 5:53 PM

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glacial topaz it says "ELECTRIC BULLETS" not electrical damage

Could be from the times when stubby had +2 electric damage in its base stats

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 5:54 PM

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that is from an OC, way too specific to say the whole thing is not recommended
if anyone wants to fix that page feel free
focusing on fixing the damage page table, and other parts

austere fossil Mar 10, 2021, 5:54 PM

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I'd say replace it with the Dreads being immune to Electrocution

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 5:54 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Dreadnought

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Tips part, also see if they all still are true

lost perch Mar 10, 2021, 5:55 PM

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glacial topaz that is from an OC, way too specific to say the whole thing is not recommended i...

before u29 stubby had 2 electrical damage as base and also a mod which gave you an additional +2 electrical damage.

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Since then stubby was changed, but this string wasn't

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 6:22 PM

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can all damage be calculated by multiplying everything ? including weaknesses, resistances, and any other factors

low hamlet Mar 10, 2021, 6:41 PM

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glacial topaz seeing there is a "Mod notice" being worked on, but problem is... it is fixed va...

i coded it so it's for Equipment or Weapons. gonna check if the infos for them are correct as soon as i am able

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 6:43 PM

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like, it assumes the number of mods per section is always the same

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also, found the needed template

low hamlet Mar 10, 2021, 6:45 PM

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glacial topaz like, it assumes the number of mods per section is always the same

no. i checked them

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 6:48 PM

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this doesn't seem "4 tiers, 1-3 upgrades"

low hamlet Mar 10, 2021, 6:51 PM

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i can just add more parameters to the switch then

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i haven't checked all of the weapons/equipment so ive likely missed some

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 6:54 PM

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that is why I suggested to simply make parameters to all of them

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 6:58 PM

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glacial topaz can all damage be calculated by multiplying everything ? including weaknesses, r...

Not all, but most of the time it is multiplicative yes.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 7:06 PM

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remember some cases where it is not ?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Weapon weakpoint multiplier with a gear mod weakpoint multiplier, both are additive, but then it is multiplicative with the creature weakpoint multiplier.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 7:11 PM

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well, I am not counting that, since that is like, affecting the stat, not damage, or something like that, I mean more like, using all final stats

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:20 PM

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If you mean using all final stats I think they are all multiplicative then.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 7:25 PM

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perfect

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also, this is missing damage type, gotta remember to check if nobody knows https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Flare_Gun

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I think it is either kinetic or typeless.

sand lantern Mar 10, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Afaik flare gun damage doesn't multiply with enemy weakpoint bonus

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Should be checked

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 7:42 PM

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it is Kinetic

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is fall damage affected by hazard ?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Flare gun doesn’t benefit from weakpoint, that’s for sure.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 7:49 PM

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that is quite specific

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Flare Gun damage is kinetic

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Trying to double check the weakpoint part to see if it changed with U33

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It changed, now it does benefit from weakpoint.

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It still completly ignores light armor though (doing full damage without being able to break it).

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And it deals full damage through heavy armor as well.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 7:56 PM

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what are the conditions to NOT be boosted by weakspots, frozen and IFG ?

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Or have a tag so that the weapon / projectile doesn’t benefit from it.

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Well at least it doesn’t bypass unbreakable armor.

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So in summary:
40 kinetic damage, normal behavior with weakpoints
Completely bypass light and heavy armor but can’t break it.

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 7:59 PM

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glacial topaz what are the conditions to **NOT** be boosted by weakspots, frozen and IFG ?

Why did you mention IFG btw, is it supposed to disable weakpoints now?

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 8:01 PM

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it is 3 different things, as in , "what won't get boosted by a frozen enemy" , "what won't get boosted on a IFG enemy" and "what won't get boosted for a weakspot"
for damage page

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Ah, for weakpoints it is having a tag that prevent it, it is rare but a few weapon/projectile have it in their files.
AoE, DoTS, spray and such don’t benefit from weakpoints damage, cryo cannon and flamethrower don’t benefit from it either.

For frozen it is almost the same, any attack tagged as secondary attack will not be amplified, any instant single target attack should benefit from it, exception being explosive reload that are considered one tick DoT it seems.

For IFG I don’t know, but so far everything I tested was amplified by it. But I don’t have enough tests to be sure what works and what doesn’t.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 8:10 PM

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perfect.

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Found the tag, for enemies it is AffectedByGlobalWeakpointDamageMultiplier (class HealthComponent)
For weapon it is WeakpointDamageMultiplier that is set to 0 (e.g. EPC charged shot).

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 8:13 PM

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on another note, we have to add the other missing damage types to that page, problem being on which name to use for some of them
and the Fire / frost sections most likely should talk about the different types and explain the differences

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wait, what is the damage type of the red bough vines ?

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how to call this damage type ? "DMG_EventExplosion: Tritilyte Bombs"

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gonna call it Nanite until a better one appears

weary sonnet Mar 10, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Kinetic for the white projectile of the big static one, can’t find it for the static one.

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FSD\Content\LevelElements\RoomObjects\HugeCarvers\ThornBranches\PRJ_LargeStabbyThorn

bold plover Mar 10, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Iirc, fall damage is affected by hazard.

devout barn Mar 10, 2021, 9:05 PM

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"Azure Weald is"

It's been this way since the fourth of February and hasn't received an actual wiki description like Hollow Bough has.

glacial topaz Mar 10, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Hue

low hamlet Mar 10, 2021, 9:28 PM

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oh lol. yeah that needs fixing

low hamlet Mar 11, 2021, 2:16 PM

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ok i updated the mod notice template and its doc

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im questioning if we need these'

glacial topaz Mar 11, 2021, 2:31 PM

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where petrified wood

low hamlet Mar 11, 2021, 3:32 PM

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idk

gusty bridge Mar 11, 2021, 4:22 PM

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i think some of them require different # of pick swings to break, and also open different sizes of holes when the do break.

so they do differ functionally. and the colours do make spotting some minerals more difficult (Salt & Nitra, Weald & Dystrum, etc.)

so maybe they could warrant warrant a single page covering them all? otherwise it'd be a good few short stubs?

glacial topaz Mar 11, 2021, 4:26 PM

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a single page talking about the mechanics of ground breaking would make more sense than listing the types in there

low hamlet Mar 11, 2021, 4:33 PM

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yeah

wicked cave Mar 11, 2021, 4:35 PM

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for https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Mutators#Rich_Atmosphere the wiki says enemies do not receive the 50% speed bonus, while the miner's manual says it makes both dwarves and aliens faster. which is correct?

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glacial topaz Mar 11, 2021, 4:36 PM

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when it is wiki vs game, wiki is usually always right

wicked cave Mar 11, 2021, 4:36 PM

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weird, ok

glacial topaz Mar 11, 2021, 4:38 PM

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gotta check if it ever changed on some updates, but not that I heard

wicked cave Mar 11, 2021, 4:38 PM

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from the handful of rich atmo mutations I've played it certainly seems like I can wayyyyy outrun the bugs

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guess I'll go file a Jira bug (EDIT - DRG-2973)

floral drift Mar 11, 2021, 6:37 PM

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who did the tests to determine that enemy movespeed was unaffected by Rich Atmo?

glacial topaz Mar 11, 2021, 6:38 PM

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here

wicked cave Mar 11, 2021, 6:58 PM

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kinda makes sense from a design perspective, since anomalies (vs. warnings) seem to be implied as a net positive for the dwarf. speeding up bugs as much as dwarves would be... not very net positive

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honestly volatile guts looks like the only anomaly with /any/ downside, and it's pretty minor since the dwarf damage from gut explosions is minor, at only a fraction of the damage bugs do to each other

sand lantern Mar 11, 2021, 7:28 PM

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wicked cave kinda makes sense from a design perspective, since anomalies (vs. warnings) seem...

Anomalies aren't said to be necessarily positive for dwarves

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Some combinations of anomalies and warnings may even be way deadlier than a warning on its own, but that's not the point

floral drift Mar 11, 2021, 9:41 PM

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looking at the Grunt, Slasher, and Guard individual pages: how was their damage per attack figured out and recorded? the results i'm getting don't line up with what's listed on the wiki

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for instance, i'm doing some testing on Solo Hazard 5, using UUU to determine damage dealt to each other when using Beast Master perk. it seems that Guard vs Guard, Steeve takes 8 damage when the wiki indicates that it should be 11.2

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~~(this is before BM perk reduces bug damage by 50% and Hazard Level divedes by 1.2, so total damage taken is 3.333)~~ wrong conclusion based on faulty data

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🤔 but it did only take 3 bites to break my shield at 30, which supports doing 11.2 damage. Are the damage values listed on these pages how much damage the bugs do vs players, or their raw attack values?

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i figured it out, nevermind. the tables are the raw damage per bite multiplied by the Difficulty Scaling

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that said, could it be listed somewhere on the page that their raw damage per bite/slash is 4 for Grunts and Guards, and 12 10 for Slashers?

radiant edge Mar 11, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Shouldn't it be 10 for slashers?

floral drift Mar 11, 2021, 10:14 PM

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🤦‍♂️ you're right, i should have said 10.

if only there was somewhere on its page that it listed 10 as the base value instead of having to reverse calculate it by consulting Difficulty Scaling

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 12:30 AM

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so many changes happening, didn't even check them fully yet

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 12:35 AM

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most of that was me changing the weapon mod table desc. to the new template

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 12:48 AM

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can I even filter you out, help get the changes I need to get attention on

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 1:16 AM

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possibly

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you can filter out experienced editors?

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 1:19 AM

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aye

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 9:07 AM

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@floral drift you can look at the source code of the page to find the base damage, or look at the Haz2P4 scaling.
Haz2P4 always has a ×1 multiplier for damage.

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 9:40 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/m3d57v/question_about_the_plg/

r/DeepRockGalactic - Question about the PLG

0 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit

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Someone got confused about Hyper Propellant wording on the wiki

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 9:52 AM

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can't blame him, that isn't very clear

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does that just mean it changes the mob's death animation ?

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 9:53 AM

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We could maybe add a link to HP's "Disintegrate" to the page with damage types?

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 9:54 AM

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that's exactly what I thought

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Disintegrate only change the death animation indeed, other than that it is basically the same than kinetic since no creature is weak or resistant to it.

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 11:37 AM

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thanks for the clarification

gusty bridge Mar 12, 2021, 12:10 PM

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functionally does kinetic differ from typeless in any way?

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 12:12 PM

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afaik it doesn’t at least for now, the difference is that typeless doesn’t have a corresponding resistance defined in the files.
But so far it doesn’t matter because nothing is using the kinetic resistance variable.

gusty bridge Mar 12, 2021, 12:16 PM

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cool, those three (typeless, kinetic, disintegration) could be grouped together until something changes then i suppose.

lost perch Mar 12, 2021, 12:27 PM

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weary sonnet Disintegrate only change the death animation indeed, other than that it is basic...

Disintegrate cancels praetorians death clouds

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I checked it ingame some time ago

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 12:27 PM

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woah that's a really good info to add

lost perch Mar 12, 2021, 12:27 PM

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Bebe can prove my words

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 12:28 PM

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Disintegration changes death animation and it seems can override a few^
Typeless is more a case of, we didn’t set the type, so we inherit the default type, since there was no default in the parent’s class, it is set as none.
Not sure how much case of typeless are left, I know it tend to default to kinetic since U33.

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 12:29 PM

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might need to check if it acts like cryo and also cancel stuff like Nexus's post-mortem spiders

lost perch Mar 12, 2021, 12:29 PM

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It doesn't cancel bulk's and exploder's explosions

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but i didn't checked interaction with nexuses

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 12:30 PM

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and goo bomber too

lost perch Mar 12, 2021, 12:30 PM

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Only praets and oppressors i guess

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 12:31 PM

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Offtopic I tried to test heat cap and heat to fire damage taken with the on fire DoT btw and the results didn’t make any sense so far.
On the cold side, the tests seem to work just fine.

gusty bridge Mar 12, 2021, 12:50 PM

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what's going wrong about the heat tests? too much? too little?

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 12:56 PM

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Too much damage taken compared to what is expected for praetorians (about 50% too much), for grunts the damage is a bit off but not by much.
As for the cap I tried to find it using the duration of the debuff but it wasn’t consistant and while I could find the exact cold value (as a float number) for heat all I have is a float between 0 and 1, anything above allows it to burn for longer but I coudn’t find the adress for it on CE for now.

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 12:57 PM

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Do we know anything about the range of minerals/discounts of the daily deal?

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 12:58 PM

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I think I saw the commands for that somewhere so I should be able to dig it again, but I didn’t kept the values.
Not home for now, so don’t expect a fast answer, I will need at lest 2h.

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 1:00 PM

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It's fine, no rush. I've been taking screenshots of the daily deals for a while and I'm wondering if there's any point except double-checking that the code works as intended

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 1:16 PM

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-even if the damage is similar they should still be kept as separate
-for the daily deals the first time they came out I checked it, let me get it again, iirc I don't remember exactly how it is used, just the range of values or something like that

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 1:31 PM

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acoustic scarab Do we know anything about the range of minerals/discounts of the daily deal?

Buy/Sell: "Units Range": 50 - 200
"Discount Range Percent": 30 - 70
"Extra Value Range Percent": 50 - 200
with your notes it might be more clear on how it is used ?

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huh, driller page still says Dreads resists fire. fixed

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why was hiveguard evena added here on armor disambiguation page ??

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what about that one ?

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 1:44 PM

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No data I know of, but it sounds like superstition

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 1:45 PM

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glacial topaz Buy/Sell: "Units Range": 50 - 200 "Discount Range Percent": 30 - 70 "Extra Value...

Here's what I have

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 1:45 PM

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glacial topaz what about that one ?

That one is a myth, you have the correct odds, with the wave tests you did.

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Fixed, funnily enough it seems it was added by the same user from my previous wiki info fixing

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 1:47 PM

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acoustic scarab Here's what I have

And here's the same in a TXT

📎 dailydeal.txt

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 1:47 PM

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well, the amount is probably quite clear on how it is calculated

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wait, you are missing some days, but due to the 213% profits value I wonder how it works, can you figure it out with the ranges ?

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Yeah I don't always log in to check

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Ok so it's very straightforward for selling

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V is just the values from R multiplied by 50 for selling and 150 for buying

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Oooh, what the game is showing for buy orders is 100% - T/V

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From what I understand, if the game decides to sell at a discount, it uses
"Discount Range Percent": 30 - 70
and rolls between 30 and 70
and when it decides to pay you extra for you selling, is uses
"Extra Value Range Percent": 50 - 200
and rolls between 50 and 200

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Yeah, that makes sense

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If you only pay 42% of the regular price, your savings are 58%

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However, when you're selling something at 154% of the regular price, your profit is 54%, not 154% like the game is showing

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Correct me if I'm wrong

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It looks to me like someone forgot to subtract 1 (or 100%) when displaying profits

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(typo, it should be "How much is that compared to the base 50 when selling?")

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 2:15 PM

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yea, profit is 54% and not 154% , guessing the name wouldn't really be profit, but more like "you sold it with 154% of the OG price"

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 2:22 PM

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glacial topaz Buy/Sell: "Units Range": 50 - 200 "Discount Range Percent": 30 - 70 "Extra Value...

So to explain how the game uses that, it'd be

flip a coin to see whether it's a buy or sell deal
roll between 50 and 200 to determine the amount of minerals offered
when selling you at a discount, the game will randomly remove anywhere from 30% to 70% of the base price, resulting in 45 - 105 credits per unit instead of the usual 150
when buying from you at a premium, the game will randomly add 50% to 200% to the base price, resulting in 75 - 150 credits per unit instead of the usual 50

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 2:28 PM

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glacial topaz why was hiveguard evena added here on armor disambiguation page ??

wait what xD

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 2:33 PM

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fixed that one too

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 2:36 PM

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I'm adding some quick description of the daily deal

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 2:37 PM

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where ?

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 2:40 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Space_Rig#Daily_Deal

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Space Rig

The Space Rig is one of 87 orbital operation bases and drop pod deployment stations owned by the Deep Rock Galactic corporation.

It currently features the Mission Terminal, the Drop Pod, The Abyss Bar, the Medbay, the Wardrobe, the Personal Cabin, the Assignment Terminal, the Equipment Terminal, the Pickaxe Customization terminal, the Memorial ...

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 2:40 PM

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hiveguard has the 3 armor things that regen every time

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that's why I added it

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it's literally on its armor bar health

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Sconk

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 2:41 PM

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don't think that counts

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 2:41 PM

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that armor disambig is for dwarves

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 2:41 PM

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no, there is the normal dread on it

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 2:41 PM

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hm

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 2:41 PM

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if it's for dwarves then we should remove all dreads

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 2:41 PM

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i'll look at it later. might just make it direct to dread disambig

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 2:54 PM

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I want to change the 4 templates Overclock Table Class to just put inside the template of their weapons, that I would make expandable too, instead of having a copy pasta that is not a real copy pasta since the real weapon overclock templates get modified but not the general class overclock ones

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basically going from that

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to that

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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lmao
wiki editing do be like that

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 2:56 PM

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lmfao

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I don't even know what that is

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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It adds a blank text space. Like an invisible letter

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 2:57 PM

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ah yes, I see

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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nbsp is for non breaking space you are supposed to use it between words/symbols that should not be separated by the text going to the next line.

acoustic scarab Mar 12, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I can only imagine that whoever made that tried hard to make it pretty with table margins, and cell-padding, and cell-spacing, but in the end nothing worked right, so they just said "to hell with it" and spammed

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 3:00 PM

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iirc it was something like that and for some reason the nbsp spam keep the title centered while the other options failed.

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 3:06 PM

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kind epoch I want to change the 4 templates Overclock Table Class to just put inside the te...

if you can make it work and display properly go for it, the current display by turtle I think but it does lead to some code duplication which isn’t a good thing to have in general on a wiki.
His goal was to make the https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Weapon_Overclocks look better, if needed we could consider adding an option to the template if you think it would help improve the display.

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 3:08 PM

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yes that's because of the duplication I wanted to do that, I'll see if I can find something that work for both this page and the weapon's ones

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what do you mean by "adding an option to the template" ?

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Like adding an alternate css class/table header that would be used only on the weapon overclock page.

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If you think it would help stacking the tables or such it is possible to make part of the code conditional so they are only included if we pass a certain argument.

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I can confirm that web spitter can’t spawn in glacial strata, there were in the pool, but didn’t spawn while I could see all other creatures.
For it seems mactera, tri-jaw and brundle follow the veteran system, the same way slasher and guards or oppressor do.

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Brood Nexus take a slot in the spawn pool but isn’t spawned since he is replaced by nothing, this is confirmed as well.
So all spawn restriction have been confirmed now.

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 3:29 PM

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is there a limit to oppressor ? and what are the odds for the mactera crew ? guessing grabber and bomber are a different thing

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 3:31 PM

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MaxSpawnCount indicate a max of 1 spawn at a time, not sure if other modifier apply.

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 3:31 PM

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during my swarm testing, I got like 3 oppressors or so during the prae swarm

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 3:32 PM

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same here, that’s why I am looking for other modifier, it seems way too low.

weary sonnet Mar 12, 2021, 3:53 PM

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For the odds, it is in the difficulty folder, under veterans, normal and large.
Oppressor being Large
Brundle, Tri-jaw, Slasher and Guard being Normal

bold plover Mar 12, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Trijaws can spawn like normal enemies and also use the veteran system (replacing normal mactera).

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Evil

bold plover Mar 12, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Brundles are just the veteran system.

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So the chance of them increases with hazard.

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 4:33 PM

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trijaws from promotion and natural spawn use the same parameters for limit ?

bold plover Mar 12, 2021, 4:33 PM

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No idea, lol.

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 5:06 PM

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ayyyy no code duplicate

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widepeepoHappy

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now the wep overclock page will be updated automatically from the specific wep overclock template

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also it's cleaner

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only collapsed on the weapon overclocks's page and not on the weapon's specific page, despite the same template is used

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and this doesn't exist anymore

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 6:00 PM

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that was an interesting workaround i did heh

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so @kind epoch , you just moved the tables and all that code to templates?

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 6:10 PM

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The templates for individuals weapons overclocks already existed (e.g https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Overclock_table_deepcore_40mm_pgl) I just modified them a bit so they could be collapsable for the Weapon Overclocks page, and would stay uncollapsed on the page they were already used (the weapons pages), I also changed their style a bit to fit the one in Weapon Overclocks, then I deleted the whole copy pastes on the class-specific overclock Templates to place those now-adapted specific Templates inside

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explaining is hard

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but basically

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Overclock_table_deepcore_40mm_pgl?type=revision&diff=23226&oldid=23210
for all the weapons
to allow ->
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Overclock_table_gunner?type=revision&diff=23240&oldid=22033
for all the classes

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So I didn't really "move" anything, I adapted the already-existing weapon templates, and deleted the duplicated source on the classes templates

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 6:14 PM

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oh wait

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are you talking about weapon skin tables?

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 6:15 PM

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skin ? no

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just overclocks

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 6:15 PM

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oh

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why were there all those ;nsbp's in there xD

kind epoch Mar 12, 2021, 6:15 PM

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I still don't understand why you put them xD

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it was centered already

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Pog

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 6:16 PM

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kind epoch I still don't understand why you put them xD

there must have been format changes in the mean time since it wasn't

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ill take a look

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 7:04 PM

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good change

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also changed mention of armor hp from just og dread to hiveguard and og dread

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 7:10 PM

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why was that changed ??

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why is hitpoints even on the armor page, with hiveguard in it ?(?)

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 7:11 PM

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it's armor

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wait is that on the armor page?

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 7:12 PM

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glacial topaz why was that changed ?**?**

i wouldnt use either of those words. ill think abt what should go there

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actually, leave it as weakpoints

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 7:14 PM

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why ?

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that makes no sense if it does not take more damage from weakpoint bonus, And doesn't even damage the main creature

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 7:15 PM

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it's weak from those points

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not weak anywhere else

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 7:16 PM

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that sounds like a pun, and rather misleading

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 7:16 PM

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what?

austere fossil Mar 12, 2021, 7:23 PM

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"Weakpoint" implies more than "vulnerable location" in the context of DRG and Omega is saying Weakpoint's additional implications aren't true for the Hiveguard's armor-spot-things.

low hamlet Mar 12, 2021, 7:24 PM

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ye i get that

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i am confusion abt the pun bit

austere fossil Mar 12, 2021, 7:28 PM

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It's not really a pun but I can see where Omega might be getting that feeling from.

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 8:00 PM

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how you people want to call it ? thing has all sorts of names, Ragespot, Weakspot, thing being that spot would be the most neutral one, that wouldn't imply much, just that the thing is a spot

analog rock Mar 12, 2021, 8:07 PM

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protusions ?

radiant edge Mar 12, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Targets?

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Actually I agree with protrusions, better to just describe them literally if they're not specifically weakpoints

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 9:45 PM

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targets looks too generic, and doesn't describe the object, only its function

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 10:36 PM

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can't you just make the dread face away from the sentry, or build sentry near walls ?

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that doesn't seem correct, saying the hiveguard can be attacked right after killing the sentinels ? also, only 3 ?

analog rock Mar 12, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Only 3, no idea why that was put there, since they can spawn in larger groups...
And yeah, the whole message feels wrong

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 10:45 PM

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changed the things to "protusions"
feel free to fix the battle description
and guessing it would be nice to have images of the hive with the protusions and with the abdomem exposed ?

analog rock Mar 12, 2021, 11:02 PM

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glacial topaz changed the things to "protusions" feel free to fix the battle description and g...

Actually heading to bed, and wiki editing on phone is horrendous, I'll leave the changes to you guys. GN

glacial topaz Mar 12, 2021, 11:03 PM

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no worries, that can wait, but if anyone fixes it, let me know

west finch Mar 12, 2021, 11:48 PM

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You guys wouldn't happen to have any screenshots of BET-C with her turret in the bomb launcher mode, would you?

radiant edge Mar 12, 2021, 11:57 PM

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I believe it's spelled "protrusions"

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 12:00 AM

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??

west finch Mar 13, 2021, 12:01 AM

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glacial topaz ??

Yeah that'll work, thanks!

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I needed a reference for my Lego BET-C lel

kind epoch Mar 13, 2021, 1:34 AM

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3 sentinels is the minimum, right ?

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or it can be 2 if you're solo / lower hazard ?

low hamlet Mar 13, 2021, 1:45 AM

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dunno

sand lantern Mar 13, 2021, 2:33 PM

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||Entry: maggot. Kill count: 9001||

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 2:58 PM

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now that is specific, if it weren't for the transparent part thing would probably be easy to get

sand lantern Mar 13, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Should be easy enough to outline and cut since there isn't much blur in close distance in DRG

acoustic scarab Mar 13, 2021, 3:28 PM

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As far as I know the images with weakspots on a transparent background are made more or less by hand

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As in, there's no quick way to extract them that way

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 3:30 PM

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think user wants it with color and all, the weakspots ones are gray scale by default, with no way I know of to make it colored, so only way I know is making in game screenshots and removing background

bold plover Mar 13, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Omega, were you asking if veins have a fixed length earlier?

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Or was that someone else?

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Never mind, it was Robawt Rob.

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RES_VEIN_Gold BaseAmount: 135.724884, DensityModifier: 1.000000, Total Amount: 135.724884, UnitsPerLength 8.500000

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RES_VEIN_Gold , Length: 266.127228 of 266.127228 total

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So from what I can tell there is a set value per mission, then the length of the vein is different.

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Will go check a few other missions and maybe a gold rush and compare.

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I think terrain takes priority or something , at least for nitra, since you can easily see veins with only 5-10 nitra, and I don't think it was planned that way ?

bold plover Mar 13, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Gold Rush:

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Standard.

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So the total amount and length varies, the units per length stay the same and the density multiplier changes based off of mutator.

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 9:57 PM

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complex

bold plover Mar 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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My assumption is that the vein size can vary based off of terrain generation like you said, but it can also generate a random size based off of remaining total units.

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 10:01 PM

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so like, if you are supposed to have 425 gold, and all the spawned veins so far are 400 total, the game spawns a 25 gold veing to make up for it ?

bold plover Mar 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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That is my guess, I can't verify it though as my sample size is small.

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Wait, that can't be true.

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Taken from the Gold Rush example:

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The following gold veins are all the same too.

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Seems the same for standard.

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Idk, this is just the console log from the game doing stuff.

glacial topaz Mar 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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well well

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 3:33 AM

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that's false though ? or am I missing something ?

bold plover Mar 14, 2021, 3:41 AM

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I think that is correct.

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 3:42 AM

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glyphid guards front legs definitely take damages

bold plover Mar 14, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Yeah, they break, but the damage to the armor does not go through to health except for on the breaking shot.

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I would reword it to such imo.

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Since at the moment it can be confused with it not taking damage at all.

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 3:47 AM

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ok my bad then

bold plover Mar 14, 2021, 4:23 AM

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No problem.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 4:31 AM

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well, pretty sure it only dies if it hits the floor, however if it heats fast enouh...

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 4:33 AM

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"Fast enough" is about 25000 seconds for Mactera Spawn.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 4:33 AM

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not like there aren't other sources of heat, temperature shock though

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and yes, the value isn't taken out of nowhere

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you freeze a thing, or you make it burn, them you do the opposite to it in damage, like heating a frozen creature

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one way for example is Cryo Driller + heating EPC (tier 5 heating plasma mod)

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don't need to be that far, I can make it work with just 1 shot of the epc, and that alone wouldn't be enough to burn

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200 damage, and resets the temperature to 0

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only thing I am still not sure is if you only need 1 instance of heating / freezing damage, or if the shot must make the creature go to 0

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Wiki says the Temp Shock effect itself resets the bar to 0, so I think it doesn't matter.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 4:41 AM

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well, it matters to know how many shots you need to make it work, like a praetorian, will it work with just one shot ?

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 4:42 AM

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First shot that breaks the enemy out of a state should do it, HH EPC with Plasma Burn is the easiest to test. Give me a minute.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 4:42 AM

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another problem is that they are heating up naturally, so not sure if doing the shot right after freezing is different than doing it after some seconds, right before it will naturally unfreeze

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 4:55 AM

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Okay, I did some testing just now and Temperature Shock effect doesn't reset the temperature bar to 0 by itself. What happened in my tests: spawn a Praetorian, fully freeze him, start hitting him with Plasma Burn HH EPC. The Praetorian unfroze in 2 shots, took 200 damage and still had half of a freeze bar left.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 4:56 AM

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Wait, why 2 shots ?

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 5:01 AM

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Because Plasma Burn doesn't have enough heat power to immediately start heating frozen Praetorians, I would assume.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:01 AM

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And what is the exact value needed technically

floral drift Mar 14, 2021, 5:05 AM

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to the best of my knowledge, Temperature Shock only procs once when an incoming source of damage does enough Heat to force the enemy to drop below its Unfreeze Temperature faster than its Warming Rate. For Praetorians who Freeze at -150 and Unfreeze at -100, with a Warming Rate of 10, then Heavy Hitter + Plasma Burn's 20 Heat should unfreeze it on the second shot (assuming it takes a second to swap from Cryo to EPC and fire the two shots)

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so as far as i know Temp Shock doesn't reduce their temp back to 0 from Frozen, but for some enemies that Unfreeze at 0 I can see why someone could misinterpret that as being the case

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 5:06 AM

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Plasma Burn gives you 5 Heat Damage base + 25% of your EPC normal shot damage as Heat Damage per shot. This means that with Heavy Hitter Plasma Burn will do 15 Heat per shot (5 + 40*0.25 = 15)

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Even if you wait, you will aways need 2 shots ? Meaning the shots requires are fixed, calculated with some formula

floral drift Mar 14, 2021, 5:07 AM

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indigo kindle Plasma Burn gives you 5 Heat Damage base + 25% of your EPC normal shot damage as...

i was not aware of that. last i had heard it was a 50% conversion. thanks for sharing that 🙂

floral drift Mar 14, 2021, 5:08 AM

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glacial topaz Even if you wait, you will aways need 2 shots ? Meaning the shots requires are f...

i would expect not. if you wait 4.5 seconds after freezing Praetorian, i expect that just one shot would proc TempShock

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Pretty sure wiki needs updating on that

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Wiki doesn't have any details on what Plasma Burn actually does, so yeah.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Guess only thing left to test is trying to make it proc with only 1 shot on praes, and later review the wiki article on temp shock

bold plover Mar 14, 2021, 5:17 AM

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I'd trust GreyHound with this kind of stuff (BBP), I'd be surprised if he and Meat are not friends yet, lol.

floral drift Mar 14, 2021, 6:46 AM

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i think it's safe to say we're at least "positive acquaintances". GH forked the DPS Calculator repo to do some number theorycrafting for the BBP mod, and we've also had some discussions regarding U34's balance pass.

radiant edge Mar 14, 2021, 9:12 AM

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IIRC the grayscale photos are indeed taken from the game files, simply seen as they are in a Unreal model viewer

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And afterward I would assume the texture map is simply rendered onto the model

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:05 PM

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is there a Dwarf source of Fire damage that does not heat, or source of Ice damage that does not cool ? whatever the names the are

analog rock Mar 14, 2021, 5:16 PM

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maybe ice spear ?

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for ice without frost

acoustic scarab Mar 14, 2021, 5:18 PM

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You mean, is there a source that would trigger fire/cold resistances and vulnerabilities, but would not build up the meter for On Fire/Frozen?

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:19 PM

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wondering if it would trigger temperature shock if it doesn't change the temperature at all

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 5:22 PM

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analog rock maybe ice spear ?

Ice Spear doesn't do Ice/Freezing damage, it's 350 Kinetic/150 Explosive damage. Is there actually a source of Fire/Ice damage that doesn't have the heating/freezing effect attached... Come to think of it, there's TCF explosion because it does 240 Fire damage in 3m. And no, it doesn't trigger Temp Shock iirc.

acoustic scarab Mar 14, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Do Breach Cutter lines heat them up?

analog rock Mar 14, 2021, 5:24 PM

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glacial topaz wondering if it would trigger temperature shock if it doesn't change the tempera...

I'm petty certain the temperature shock is only reliant on temperature, and not on damage. Might be possible to test by freezing a mob above hot ground in magma core, or above a heat source in glacial.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:26 PM

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expected, just making sure we have all correct, changed some text on the wiki, including the temp shock , and plasma burn formula

indigo kindle Mar 14, 2021, 5:37 PM

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I'd like to request an update to the Breach Cutter page on the Wiki.
There are a few pieces of information missing:

Burst Damage on First Impact (a base property of the BC, does 50 Burn (Fire?) damage on first contact, doesn't inflict any temperature damage), this is modified by Spinning Death OC (x0 multiplier for this damage);
Breach Cutter slows targets hit by the beam by 70% as long as the beam intersects with the enemy. This is never mentioned anywhere.
High Voltage Crossover's inherent slow effect stacks with the default 70% multiplicatively.
Spinning Death is also missing the x0.05 Projectile Velocity penalty (better suited for the advanced explanation).
Explosive Goodbye has a 0.4 sec delay before it can be activated after you shoot the BC.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 5:38 PM

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might be easier if you edit it with what you know, I can try finding the values though

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and yea Fire damage on the wiki

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 5:53 PM

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indigo kindle I'd like to request an update to the Breach Cutter page on the Wiki. There are ...

you don't need to ask o:

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 8:31 PM

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@floral drift about the gifs, did you try making it webm instead ? it seems to be used on weapon pages, so wonder if it would work better for it, the weapon accuracy ones

floral drift Mar 14, 2021, 8:33 PM

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glacial topaz <@!199367621634686976> about the gifs, did you try making it webm instead ? it s...

making accuracy visualizer gifs is extremely low on my priorities list right now. if you think they're needed on the accuracy page, i can almost guarantee that it would be faster to record/convert them yourself than waiting for me to get around to it. sorry.

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 8:34 PM

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technically I was just trying to help with it, since I wasn't sure if you were having technical issues or something else

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been trying to understand more about weather, like sandstorms, so not sure either if I would work with the files, who knows

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 9:27 PM

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what's the chance for a machine event to spawn ?

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 9:30 PM

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1/4

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 9:31 PM

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thanks

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still on the machine event, what's the duration ? Is it always 180s regardless of the event type / number of players / hazard level ?

low hamlet Mar 14, 2021, 9:42 PM

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yep

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iirc

kind epoch Mar 14, 2021, 9:42 PM

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ty

glacial topaz Mar 14, 2021, 11:59 PM

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how can this be improved ? because 60 isn't even the most steep tunnel you can make, my record so far being 75° , and I am sure it is just related to how you make it have places to step on

bold plover Mar 15, 2021, 12:07 AM

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Max is 80°.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 12:08 AM

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is that a hard value or discovered via testing

bold plover Mar 15, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Hard.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 12:08 AM

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interesting, also the word would be ledges ?

bold plover Mar 15, 2021, 12:09 AM

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Uh, give me a few minutes to turn on my computer and I'll double check.

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But I remember it being like "Max Walkable Slope Angle".

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Doesn't specifically say what parameter correlates with what object import (in this video), but still, some are able to be understood.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 12:22 AM

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interesting

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 12:59 AM

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thanks for correcting my broken english

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that's why I try to not do this if possible lmao

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 3:44 AM

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wait... why is my 40 dmg HH EPC doing 4x damage (160) against a frozen praetorian (spitballer too) ? I thought they only changed the scaling for dreads

floral drift Mar 15, 2021, 4:07 AM

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glacial topaz wait... why is my 40 dmg HH EPC doing 4x damage (160) against a frozen praetoria...

i was not able to replicate this vs Spitballers or Praetorians. what was the context for the EPC doing 160 damage instead of expected 120?

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hazard level, player count, mission type, etc

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Haz4, solo, used experimental build, since I dont remember that ever being in patch notes

floral drift Mar 15, 2021, 4:09 AM

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there was a bug reported in U33XP that Frozen was doing x4, but it got patched in one of the hotfixes

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this one: #patch-notes-steam message

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 4:14 AM

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sad [angry face]
but at least that tells me what I wanted to check, about temperature shock shot receiving or not the frozen dmg binus

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 10:15 AM

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For the temp shock, MeatShield got it right.

Temperature Shock only procs once when an incoming source of damage does enough Heat to force the enemy to drop below its Unfreeze Temperature faster than its Warming Rate.
[…]
It doesn’t reset temperature to 0, it just leave it back to where you are after unfreezing + whatever heat you added to proc the temp shock (which is often close to 0, but may not be 0 for some creatures).

For the Creatures images on greyscales with green weakspots and orange/red armor they were extracted with Umodel.

@verbal shard
For the main creatures images, they are screenshots from the game, using Ansel.
NVIDIA Control Pannel: Completly disable AntiAlliasing for DRG
Graphics Options: Set Resolution Scale and Image Sharpening to 100%
Use photo mode (default Alt + F2), the Green Screen filter option allows to hide the background. You can also change its color.
(Disabling the AA and adding a green/purple/cyan filter will make the croppnig a lot easier and faster.)
Then it is cropped manually, I used Gimp for that last time, but Photoshop will do it as well.

I can try to crop a few if you tell me which creatures are in need of a new image, but I won’t be fast, I don’t have much free time theses days.

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 12:38 PM

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Is there a way to see all the pages using a certain template ?

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like Hoverover

shell frigate Mar 15, 2021, 12:38 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Hoverover

Template:Hoverover

Pages that link to "Template:Hoverover" - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 12:42 PM

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I found that but I thought it wasn't it, since Hoverover wasn't there when I ctrl + F-ed it on the source code of the Creature page (1st link)

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oh well I'll do with that

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 12:43 PM

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It is because the creature page itself isn’t using it, it is used instead in one of the template that is included in the creature page.
In this case the Creature Table template.

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 12:43 PM

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thanks

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aye

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 12:44 PM

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That remind me, should we replace hoverover with that or not, I don’t think we came to a conclusion on that yet.
https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/WdsTooltips

The reason would be to allow it to display properly on mobile.

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 1:16 PM

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not sure how it is wrong

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should I remove it ?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 1:18 PM

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remove what ?

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 1:18 PM

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"The in game text saying that the radius is 3.4m is wrong."

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that's literally 3.4m

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 1:19 PM

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that is the laser pointer, you don't use that

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 1:19 PM

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even with an error margin

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you can test yourself

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 1:22 PM

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already did, it is 3.00 meters

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would be too odd for it to be different than other grenades

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 1:23 PM

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why is the laser pointer not displaying the right values ?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 1:23 PM

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because the starting point is not the pointer itself

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at least from what I can tell

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 1:25 PM

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so what's the offset between laser and "true" distance?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 1:28 PM

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not like i ever figured out a reliable way to check the difference,

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 1:29 PM

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that's unfortunate that the in game distance tool is wrong

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 1:30 PM

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even more unfortunate the devs themselves are using it to put the distances then

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 1:31 PM

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man that's crazy, surely they know it's off? or it's been fixed?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 1:35 PM

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it is also possible that 3.4 is just the visual part, but the effect only happens on a smaller radius,
if you want to test the offset I would probably check with other explosion radius, even with the cryo / crpsr limited range weapons it can be not too clear, due to where the weapon starts counting, and the extra range it might get depending on the particle size

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 1:57 PM

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For the IFG radius, it was tested by modding it to a much higher value to test which one was really slowing the bugs.
The slowing effect has a radius of 3m, it is also responsible for the SFX on the bugs.
The visual sphere and SFX of the sphere itself is a bit bigger and didn’t change when I increased the slow radius.

The origin of the laser pointer is the center of a dwarf head.

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 2:00 PM

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ok sweet

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so if top of dwarf head is confirmed 1.5m. what does the pointer say when pointed at feet?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:01 PM

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1.4m
well and the top of head != center of head

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 2:22 PM

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ok perfect

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so we have 20cm Diameter heads apparently

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Scout page, isn't "longest range" too odd ? most weapons that I know don't have a range limit, only crpsr, cryo and BC

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Maybe

[…] is the most accurate weapon at long range.

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Or one of the most accurate.

indigo kindle Mar 15, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Minigun with T1C: observe.

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Probably it's "The most effective at long distances"?

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 2:28 PM

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yeah can't call it "the most" if the numbers don't agree

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 2:29 PM

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By the way, Elyth, I've heard you want to crop something and don't have much free time, may I help with it?

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Well I saw a talk about creature image and how to get them, that’s why I added how we got the one we currently have on the wiki, and that I could do a few if needed, but I don’t know which one we are missing, probably some of the new creatures?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:33 PM

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not really, if anything only of the old ones, like machine event ones, or the homing drones

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 2:34 PM

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You mean kursite and ebonite variants?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:36 PM

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precisely

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also, what is the point of citation needed ?

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Hum someone probably added it because he doubted the source of the 1/4 chance.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:38 PM

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HMMMM
source being me, checking with you

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 2:38 PM

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do we use citations in our articles?

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 2:38 PM

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It shouldn’t be needed afaik.

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 2:38 PM

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or do we normally just link to a page

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:38 PM

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I will just remove that

gusty bridge Mar 15, 2021, 2:39 PM

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do we have a "sources" section, where we provide the proof of data?

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is that something we want?

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:40 PM

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nope

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 2:40 PM

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gusty bridge do we use citations in our articles?

Depend, usually a link is enough, but if it is a mechanism that is not widely known, you can go over it quickly in the page.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 2:40 PM

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nope for having a section, and for the wanting too

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also, the tutorial for screenshots is already on the to-do list ? just in case I want to check it again

bold plover Mar 15, 2021, 4:14 PM

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I can also confirm the 1/4 for MEs.

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 5:27 PM

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"citation needed" omegalul

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I literally asked here before adding it

kind epoch Mar 15, 2021, 5:28 PM

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weary sonnet For the IFG radius, it was tested by modding it to a much higher value to test w...

I see so the 3.4 is actually just the visual sphere

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so the laser was right

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 5:52 PM

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so, after all, we never put the base hp on the wiki, right ? where should that go ? and it is 100, right ?

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 5:55 PM

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The base hp of what?
So far base HP is on the creature infobox and health page I think.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 5:57 PM

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ops, for Dwarves

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we have like all the values for masteries, and mods, but not the base

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it is on the health page indeed, but I guess it should appear on the armor page too ? the equip one

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Ah, the base is 110, it is on the health page though.

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 6:05 PM

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here

weary sonnet Mar 15, 2021, 6:06 PM

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So far it is only there, feel free to add it elsewhere if you feel it is needed.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Health#Dwarves

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 8:26 PM

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any true ?

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what about this ?

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 8:27 PM

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glacial topaz any true ?

Was bugged, then fixed to be true

austere fossil Mar 15, 2021, 8:27 PM

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glacial topaz any true ?

Technically any lethal hit will "defuse" them

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 8:27 PM

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well, I know it is not a weakspot, but does it really look like one

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Well, for something invincible anything that can be used to deal damage is weakspot

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I'd go for it

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 8:29 PM

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sand lantern Was bugged, then fixed to be true

(Although hitboxes sometimes mess this up)

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 8:29 PM

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change to "If an Exploder is killed by a hit to the weakpoint, it will not explode." ?

austere fossil Mar 15, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Yeah, that's good.

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 8:30 PM

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👌

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 8:31 PM

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how to improve the korlok, one, 1- Manual already doesn't show weakpoints for it, right ? iirc, and 2- neither does wiki, so wouldn't it be better to actually say what does it even look like a weakpoint ?

sand lantern Mar 15, 2021, 8:32 PM

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~~X0.6 WP damage when~~

fading lion Mar 15, 2021, 9:57 PM

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~~It would be good to keep the distinction of whether or not a weapon's innate weakpoint bonus applies to the korlock's open heart~~ Nevermind, I'm out of it today

inner halo Mar 15, 2021, 11:12 PM

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uh i just noticed this typo on the Mission Control guy wikipage

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low hamlet Mar 15, 2021, 11:13 PM

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radii is plural for radius

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and since it's talking about the radius for the uplink as well as the fuel cells, it would be radii

inner halo Mar 15, 2021, 11:19 PM

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ohh, legit thought it was a typo haha 😅

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my bad!

austere fossil Mar 15, 2021, 11:20 PM

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It's a pretty uncommon word, don't blame you for thinking it wasn't real.

low hamlet Mar 15, 2021, 11:21 PM

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yep

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and no worries :)

inner halo Mar 15, 2021, 11:22 PM

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first time i've seen it used too so yeah

low hamlet Mar 15, 2021, 11:22 PM

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ill probably change it to something that's more commonly used to make it easier (especially for people who don't know english well) to read the page

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Technically I just search "word meaning" on google to check words spelling,that's when it is simple

low hamlet Mar 15, 2021, 11:23 PM

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ill just change it to "activation area" later

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 11:26 PM

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You sure that is for the better ? Mostly due to not seeing many have no idea of what it means,

low hamlet Mar 15, 2021, 11:27 PM

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yea

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area is a lot more commonly used than radii

glacial topaz Mar 15, 2021, 11:30 PM

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well well, maybe that's fair, radii looks so cool though, double i word

low hamlet Mar 16, 2021, 1:16 AM

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heh

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 2:03 PM

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any true ?

covert yoke Mar 16, 2021, 2:05 PM

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yes

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very tru

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glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 2:11 PM

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technically that just says you need to complete the rank 70 and 80 assignment to unlock the rank 100 one, not that gloomstalker MK3 is 80 now

covert yoke Mar 16, 2021, 2:18 PM

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well I can do the assignment now and i am not rank 100+

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i am rank 81, to be precise, and can do the assignment

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 2:21 PM

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:S now I have no reason to be rank 100

covert yoke Mar 16, 2021, 2:21 PM

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me neither xD

kind epoch Mar 16, 2021, 4:48 PM

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that would be nice to add the models for twins and hiveguard

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especially twins, to see exactly where the heavy armor is

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 5:28 PM

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oh wow, bosco can even fix leaking pipes

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Would need a double check in game, but this is probably the armor location here in green:
I should have some time tomorrow or the day after to do the image properly.

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That’s a lot of plates, each color should represent a different armor plate here:

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 5:30 PM

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technically I can do the image editing , like some of the others, if I know which color to use

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:31 PM

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I can check the armor type in game quickly and see if there is only one value or several if you want.

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 5:33 PM

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better

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:38 PM

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100 Health per plate for each plate for each of the twin, same for all of the plates.
Trying to check the armor type now.

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The armor location is right btw, I completely stripped them to check.
Still checking the type/damage resistance.

low hamlet Mar 16, 2021, 5:50 PM

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weary sonnet That’s a lot of plates, each color should represent a different armor plate here...

rainbow buggy boi

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 5:50 PM

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are those angles good ?

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weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:51 PM

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yes they are fine

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I will have the armor type in a few minutes at most.

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Just keep messing up the tests for stupid reasons.

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 5:52 PM

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no rush, changing the color is the easy part

low hamlet Mar 16, 2021, 5:53 PM

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yeah those are good angles omega

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do you have the armor-breaking-off phases?

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:54 PM

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heavy armor everywhere.

low hamlet Mar 16, 2021, 5:54 PM

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alright

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:54 PM

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So red, same red for every green part.

low hamlet Mar 16, 2021, 5:55 PM

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so it's still heavy armour when it's breaking off?

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 5:55 PM

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When broken off it is not, I can check that.

low hamlet Mar 16, 2021, 5:55 PM

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i think that'd be good to have, ye

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 5:55 PM

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only problem is not being able to get them with no armor, would most likely need some crazy creative workarond
hiveguard is more simple since you can get it opening to abdomem shell

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 6:01 PM

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behind the armor, you do normal damage on the legs.
It is different on the butt.

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the butt is now a weakpoint it seems, but I only do 20% more damage, not sure how it works exactly yet.

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The ass is a weakpoint with a ×1 damage multiplier.

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 6:17 PM

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so not affected by weakpoint weapon boost, or critical weakness seems like a different type

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 6:18 PM

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The 20% extra damage where from the weapon critical damage.

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The flesh is supposed to be a × 0.5 multiplier, but so far I didn’t manage to hit only the flesh/to reproduce it in game.
So that info is only from command lines/files.

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 6:31 PM

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should I use just "Arbalest" for the file, or "Glyphid Dreadnought Arbalest" ?

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 6:31 PM

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I would say "Dreadnought Arbalest"

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 6:33 PM

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the selection by color is awesome btw

weary sonnet Mar 16, 2021, 6:33 PM

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It sure is, especially for this kind of tasks.

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 6:40 PM

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hope it is fine that the red is not the same for all models, but for the twins I am trying to change the colors by the same amount

floral drift Mar 16, 2021, 6:50 PM

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there's a bit of a bug with the Twins' Heavy Armor. the front legs' armor interacts with Armor Breaking mods correctly, the armor around the x1 weakpoint doesn't. i've had mixed results, but in general that 100 hp HA plate takes 100 damage to break and very rarely gets bonus damage from AB. i reported it on Jira a while ago, but it wont be fixed until at least U34 because U33 hotfixes just ended

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 6:58 PM

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for Hiveguard, just an image of the back (exposed abdomem) would be enough ?
not sure if Sentinels need it too

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 7:19 PM

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thoughts ?

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<@&296918282403840000> ☝🏽 appreciated (message was taken care of, hopefully by staff)

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added twins models, now just have to check the other dread, and decide on what next

bold plover Mar 16, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Vampire also gives a red sugar line.

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 9:20 PM

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hiveguard done

glacial topaz Mar 16, 2021, 9:54 PM

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huh, ordered bosco to mine an egg, he is hitting the purple thing around it for over a minute or so now, with no progress
he got it after some time, might be due to me pinging the thing again, but he was certainly mining for way too long

crisp tree Mar 17, 2021, 1:22 AM

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Question on the volatile bullets OC for Bulldog Revolver: does the fire damage buff only apply to the direct damage or both direct and area damage?

bold plover Mar 17, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Both.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:37 AM

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now after broken bosco, OG dread decides to keep doing dig attack, sometimes throwing projectiles, but never walking / moving
it started walking towards me after I fired some platforms near it

grave swift Mar 17, 2021, 9:39 AM

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So, the other day I had a Lacerator be blown by a bulk's death explosion while it was doing its "sharing health" animation, to my surprise, it did take damage, however, it was not killed, but instead it did around 80-90% of its health, interrupting the health-sharing animation, and preventing them from healing each other in the process, the Arbalest was out of range, and took no damage from the explosion.

This was in a 4 man Haz 5 mission... So... Seeing as the bulk's death explosion in this situation does around 68,000 damage, and a Lacerator in the same situation has 7650 health, I can only assume that the grey state of when they're sharing health is not full invincibility, but rather a 90% damage reduction?

Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot find another explanation.

kind epoch Mar 17, 2021, 10:25 AM

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interesting

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 12:01 PM

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low hamlet ill probably change it to something that's more commonly used to make it easier ...

doesn't Control call it the "triangulation zone" or something like that? i think he has a similar name for the refuel portion too.

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 12:04 PM

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In the refuel portion he just calls it "staying close to the fuel cells", while he does indeed call the circle "triangulation zone"

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i'd argue "triangulation zone" is harder to understand than "radii", though i would just use "radius" instead for ease of reading purposes

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 12:34 PM

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gusty bridge doesn't Control call it the "triangulation zone" or something like that? i think...

that's a thought. ive been so busy this past week that i havent done any wiki editing but i think i might have time today

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 12:52 PM

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we could call it "Zones" for Refuelling Zone and Triangulation Zone.

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what does he say for Blackbox? Triangulation zone again?

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What weapons can remove terrain/mine?

So far i have:

Autocannon
minigun
EPC with TCF
Revolver? (with explosive only?)
C4
some grenades (HX, Cluster, Sticky, Proximity, plasma burster?)
Turret whip?
PGL
drills
pickaxe

some of them remove enough to be useful against the Ommron Beamers for example

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 12:59 PM

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right, that's a lot, so we / I have to check the twins resistances when healing, as well as the weapons that can mine, where are you planning to put that info ?

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:05 PM

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plasma burster does damage to terrain??

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 1:06 PM

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haha no i'm not expecting you to gather it man, i'll play around in game and confirm these. just putting my current list to test in there. not sure where it'll fit as info. maybe as a footnote the weapon's individual page etc.

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Urt, haven't tested that one yet. but will soon

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:07 PM

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some days ago I was discussing including more info on there, like, interaction with armor, weakpoints, freeze and more

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 1:08 PM

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cool

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yeah there's a lot of standardised info that could fit well there

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:10 PM

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but first step is saying all that should go there, before changing the template

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 1:10 PM

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yeah for sure

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could go in "Trivia" or "understanding the weapon" sections

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:12 PM

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actually I was just suggesting it would go on here, this is so small, and creature ones are so full of info

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 1:13 PM

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ah cool, yeah that's a small stats block

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ok yeah, so things like:
Breaks armor: yes /no
bypasses armor: yes/no
bonus damage to frozen creatures: yes/no
damages/removes terrain: yes /no
mines minerals: yes/no

etc, that sort of stuff?

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:20 PM

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gusty bridge What weapons can remove terrain/mine? So far i have: - Autocannon - minigun - E...

Can't tell on autocannon, but i don't think it does
Revolver does, you can actually oneshot beamers if you aim VERY well

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:20 PM

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gusty bridge Urt, haven't tested that one yet. but will soon

call me turtle phuzzy2LEL

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:20 PM

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quick robin Can't tell on autocannon, but i don't think it does Revolver does, you can actua...

it does for ac

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:20 PM

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99% sure Plasma burster doesn't

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:20 PM

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every other shot

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:20 PM

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I somehow never noticed then

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i believe m1000 does, too, but don't quote me on that

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 1:21 PM

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M1000 can’t break terrain, not sure for AC.

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:21 PM

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nevermind

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i'll try AC later on but i don't recall ground being full of holes after a fight

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:23 PM

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it 100% does on ac

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:23 PM

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does Burt?

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:23 PM

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no

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ill get a notepad going and test them all

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:24 PM

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good idea

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i can tell you for sure that minigun and revolver do, and that the only one that does in driller's arsenal is TCF

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:24 PM

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AC can because I have used it to mine red sugar

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:24 PM

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i don't think subata does but i never tested it

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:25 PM

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and isn't mining minerals and removing terrain same thing

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Checking it globally for hitscan weapons.

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:25 PM

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revolver does by default, so does minigun

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sub does not

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Only AC, Minigun and Bulldog for hitscan weapons.
The property name is BulletsCanCarve

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:25 PM

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flamethrower does but only on ice, snow, and plastcrete

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 1:26 PM

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I think it is conditional on plastcrete, only if you take the upgrade to reduce fall damage.

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:27 PM

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plastcrete is the name of the upgrade

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:27 PM

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thinking if "bypass armor" is the best way to describe it
and any other interaction missing ? isn't weakpoint one missing ?
also it probably only be for base weapon, if something changes with a mod, say that on the mod I guess

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:27 PM

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without the upgrade it indeed doesn't

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IIRC if it bypasses armor it also ignores weakpoints

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:28 PM

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quick robin flamethrower does but only on ice, snow, and plastcrete

Incendiary works in the same way

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:28 PM

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quick robin without the upgrade it indeed doesn't

it always melts..

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:28 PM

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i read on the wiki that it doesn't melt without plastcrete upgrade, if it's true that it always does you'll want to correct that

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from what i recall it actually doesn't melt it without it but it's best if we get it tested too

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:29 PM

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quick robin i read on the wiki that it doesn't melt without plastcrete upgrade, if it's true...

really?

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can someone come test with me rq

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:29 PM

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lemme see if i can find it again

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low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:31 PM

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that doesn't say that it requires the upgrade?

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:31 PM

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low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:31 PM

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the platforms are called plastcrete iirc

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:32 PM

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i think so, but the line i sent states "plastcrete MKII" which implies upgrade is needed

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:32 PM

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not really

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:33 PM

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i'd say it does, otherwise you wouldn't specify MKII

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we can test it if you wish

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:33 PM

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hmmm

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first is w/o upgrades, second is with

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 1:34 PM

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For other stuff that carve terrain, values are the diameter in CM
Bomber Goo Bomb: 40
Bulk Cluster Bombs: 400
OG Dread Fireball: 400
Hiveguard Dread Fireball: 300
Guntower Homing Drones: 200
Escort Flying Rocks: 200
EPC TCF: 600
C4: 652
PGL: 200, 120 or 700 // May need a double check to see what these value match, one is probably for fatboy
HE Grenade: 200
Sticky Grenade: 100

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:34 PM

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it is a different name

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wanna test if both melt?

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:35 PM

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yes

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:35 PM

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oh look , that's how you know you can jump or not in a platform without taking damage

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:35 PM

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yep

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:35 PM

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invite me in a game and pick regular platforms, i'll go driller

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:35 PM

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there you go

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:36 PM

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glacial topaz oh look , that's how you know you can jump or not in a platform without taking d...

Real dwarves just jump regardless, blaming engi in case they die rocknstone

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I really wish we had some sort of testing chamber/shooting range. was it suggested to the devs already?

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:38 PM

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works without mods for melting plats

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:38 PM

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To do: Remove "MKII" from the wiki

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 1:40 PM

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glacial topaz and isn't mining minerals and removing terrain same thing

drills can remove terrain but not mine minerals

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:40 PM

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sad

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:40 PM

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mega sad indeed

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it'd be so cool if you could mine them with the drills, idk why that isn't the case

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it'd give them more than just a mobility purpose (althought they are technically traversal tools)

gusty bridge Mar 17, 2021, 1:48 PM

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driller already gets told to mine all compacted dirt, if they could do minerals with the drills that'd be left to them too probs

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but to be fair they have TCF too so they sometimes do get told to mine minerals haha

quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 1:50 PM

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while that's true i don't really see the issue in it, i'd love to go brrrr on veins and it'd be very in character too

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 1:52 PM

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weary sonnet For other stuff that carve terrain, values are the diameter in CM Bomber Goo Bom...

Wait, goo bombs carve terrain?

indigo kindle Mar 17, 2021, 1:54 PM

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40 means 0.4m, which is almost negligible.

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:56 PM

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acoustic scarab Wait, goo bombs carve terrain?

what?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:56 PM

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that seems like a lot

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also, oil shale is regular ?? 1 xp ?

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 1:56 PM

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is it?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 1:58 PM

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I don't think it appears on every mission and biome like nitra and gold, and for xp no idea

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quite a bunch of changes

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:02 PM

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I don’t see any xp value for oilshare specifically. but stuff that has no value is marked as 0, so it probably have the default 1xp value like gold and nitra.

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1 indeed, I found the command.

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quick robin Mar 17, 2021, 2:04 PM

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How do you get xp from oil shale tho? You can't deposit it

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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yeah

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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you deposit it on the fuel canisters

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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so it would count the stuff that you actually put into the drilldozer?

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Ah, I can’t answer that part. Someone will have to test it.

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 2:05 PM

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does that amount scale by haz and player count

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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I remember something that might indicate some interaction with player count

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:06 PM

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It scales with the hazard bonus so only with the hazard level in practice (and warnings, cave length).

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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warnings?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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also, once we were discussing about testing escort by only ever mining oil shale (no nitra, or anything), don't remember what ever happened

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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mutators

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cave leech cluster, parasite, everything that can increase the hazard bonus.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:08 PM

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I guess it would be 225 xp total per canister, no ? haz1 should work I guess

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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It could be tested by completing two 1-stop escorts:

in one, only enough shale to fill up canisters is mined
in another, much more shale is mined off the walls to be left in chunks

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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It should be 225 oil shale per canister yes.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

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perfect, now something else would be to get the max value mined, and a range per oil vein

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:12 PM

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The map creation logs would be best for the range per oil vein, I have no idea how Banagement got them last time.

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The max value mined should appear in the end screen if it count as mineral mined.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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I meant per collection tick on the canister

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kinda how fast it fills up

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and possibily the chunk sizes when mined with other tools

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Ah, for the collection tick it is one chunk per 0.45s, then a 0.45s pause and it repeat.

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The chunk size depend on where the laser is pointed, not sure if you can check how full the canister is dynamically to deduce the chunk size, maybe with cheatengine?
Hooking it will be a pain though.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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well, if you mine a big vein with only 1 tick, and you can check the current canister stats

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so you would just compared the values to see how much it increased

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:18 PM

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I will check if UUU can see how full it is, but I don’t think so.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 2:20 PM

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how much damage flying rocks do to dozer ?

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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a lot dderp

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 2:24 PM

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50 Kinetic damage, scaling with hazard level
2.5m radius
\FSD\Content\GameElements\Objectives\Escort\FlyingSmartRocks\PRJ_FlyingSmartRock

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GetAll ExtractorItem CurrentLoad this one should work for the escort test

sage summit Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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weary sonnet 1 indeed, I found the command.

Why you guys so smart? I only can make "left button click, left button click, left button click. Ha-Ha it's now meme" stuff.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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on another note, we didn't find / include the cold heating delay, right ? as in, how much time it takes for the temperature to starts heating up, probably should have it for cooling too

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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for the shale, first time mining it gave ~10.01 on first canister, and when using the other one, it was ~11

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when I mine it, same thing, each chunk is giving 10-11 shale

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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For the temperature, this is what we have for now:
FrozenDamageBonusScale
UpdateTime
DieIfFrozen
TemperatureChangeScale
BurnTemperature
DouseFireTemperature
FreezeTemperature
UnFreezeTemperature
WarmingRate
CoolingRate
IsHeatsourceWhenOnFire
OnFireHeatRange
MaxColdSlowdown
WarmingCooldown

Plus heat cap and cold cap that have to be measured individually.
The cold cap is easy but pretty long to get since hooking the value can take a while, the heat cap is a nightmare to get for now since unlike for the cold cap, I didn’t find a variable for it, even using CE.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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so the plan is to include more stats on the temperature section of foe table ?

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Some of them don’t seem very useful, in particular
FrozenDamageBonusScale > Should only be included if it is not the default
UpdateTime > not really relevant for mostplayers, so I would say only on the temperature page
TemperatureChangeScale > only a few creatures used it so we can simplify it by altering the temperatures directly
IsHeatsourceWhenOnFire > always true so far
OnFireHeatRange > the range varie, but we don’t know how much heat is spread that way or if there is a falloff

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 4:06 PM

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right, so heatrange should go on the tests todo list,
guessing no variable for time it takes for foes to start heating up or cooling down ?

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 4:07 PM

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That would be either instant or related to the update time afaik.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 4:10 PM

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hmmm, always have the impression that if I stop freezing in the middle, it takes some time for the temperature gauge to move

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Seems to be instant with fire.

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Applying 3 shots with 10 hits each, it ignites a grunt exactly on the frame of the 3rd hit.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 4:28 PM

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about the swarm timers, should I have used minutes + seconds instead of just seconds, or is it clear enough already ?

bold plover Mar 17, 2021, 4:29 PM

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How many minutes are there in a second?

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1/60th.

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Sorry, lol.

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It'd probably be better to display minutes and seconds so people don't have to do quick math.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 4:31 PM

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well they still have to sum 2 values, but yes, much easier, I will get to that
currently checking the timers for something else, exciting findings

low hamlet Mar 17, 2021, 4:46 PM

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rounds up iirc

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@glacial topaz correct?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 4:48 PM

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no idea lol
but it seems easy enough to check in game, guessing user is just reading the wiki trying to calculate

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fatboy made it go from 9 to 3, so 9 x 0.3 = 2.7

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you sure ? 9 + 2 + 3 = 14, 14 x 0.3 = 4.2

bold plover Mar 17, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Most things round up except for like satchel charges and something else.

floral drift Mar 17, 2021, 5:22 PM

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to the best of my knowledge, OC "Fat Boy"s x0.3 Max Ammo multiplier doesn't apply to the +1 in the magazine. GSG patched it so that instead of displaying 8 + 1 on the HUD lower-right and on the weapon itself, it just shows 9. (or whatever the max ammo + 1 is depending on upgrades) but it still tracks 1 mag and 8 ammo under the hood. additionally, i think Fat Boy is just a regular rounding, instead of strictly rounding up (aka ceiling function).

as a result, Fat Boy has these ammo counts:

8 * 0.3 + 1 = 3
(8 + 2) * 0.3 + 1 = 4
(8 + 3) * 0.3 + 1 = 4
(8 + 2 + 3) * 0.3 + 1 = 5

indigo kindle Mar 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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It should.

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I'm not aware of any special interactions between Hyper Propellant's bonus damage and Homebrew Explosive that would prevent it from working.

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Karl.gg doesn't exactly handle that well. For whatever reason they have coded it as "add +385 damage as a separate instance".

floral drift Mar 17, 2021, 6:39 PM

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sorry if this is too "self promotional", but if you really want to see how numbers interact with each other I recommend using the DPS Calculator as your primary source. as of 1.0.8 there were no reported inaccuracies

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Hue

floral drift Mar 17, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Karl.gg is mainly for loadout sharing with a very simple DPS/damage calculation on the side, and just recently it's starting to use DPS Calculator metrics in its Advanced Statistics View. the plan is to eventually have all numbers pull from the DPSC metrics, too

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 6:40 PM

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btw, do sandstorms change creature vision at all ?

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 6:41 PM

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afaik they don’t, but now they slow the bugs as well.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 6:42 PM

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I guess it makes sense, only statuses I could find for it were the enemies and the regular one

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also, does speed slow affect critters

weary sonnet Mar 17, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Not sure on that one since lootbugs at least use a different speed parameters than other bugs.

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Dreads as well iirc

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 6:53 PM

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ideas ? was thinking about a table for the first part

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also gonna remove the "Sandstorm interval is unpredictable.", hue

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 7:28 PM

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also just added the minutes and seconds for the swarm thing

bold plover Mar 17, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Did you guys want bounding boxes of stuff?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 8:09 PM

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what would that be for

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btw, should it be called just Quakes or Hoxxesquakes ?

bold plover Mar 17, 2021, 8:12 PM

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quake

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Since it is called that internally.

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I thought bounding boxes were something else, so disregard that.

sand lantern Mar 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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There are some files regarding quakes, I investigated into them a long time ago
Basically there are two timers, one is initial quake and the other one is interval between quakes. The crevasses are pre-generated and scattered across the map, each quake has a chance to open some.
Sandstorms and blizzards probably have the same logic behind them

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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U-uh...
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/m714wk/psa_the_drilldozer_goes_faster_if_more_dwarves/

r/DeepRockGalactic - PSA: The Drilldozer goes faster if more dwarve...

131 votes and 25 comments so far on Reddit

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Should we call Mythbusters for this one?

sand lantern Mar 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Aren't both of these factors in play?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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is that saying that more players = more speed, OR that less players = less speed ?

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Not the most intuitive mechanic, but staying close to / on Doretta will make her go faster. You'll note the arrows light up on the HUD in the top right as teammates get in range. If everybody has wandered off she moves at a crawl and enemies have more time to spawn in.

The wiki article states that it slows down instead as more enemies are around it, but as far as me and my friends could tell this is not the case.

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 8:22 PM

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btw, added logic for all storms, minus the green ones, those I am not sure where to include, also they are more frequent on dense biozone, also, afaik they don't spawn in the entire cave

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are they saying the dozer as at full speed even with several attacks ?

sand lantern Mar 17, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Yeah, according to what I was told by MeatMorning, some rains are local and have different logic to them

floral drift Mar 17, 2021, 8:44 PM

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bold plover Did you guys want bounding boxes of stuff?

do bounding boxes give in-game meter dimensions? if so, yes that is highly valuable information to me

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 8:53 PM

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what should I be testing next, or which information to seek

sand lantern Mar 17, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I can suggest one thing but it's not very important: re-check probability of dreadnought wave trigger

analog rock Mar 17, 2021, 9:02 PM

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acoustic scarab > Not the most intuitive mechanic, but staying close to / on Doretta will make h...

Both are true : the amount of dwarves on/close to Doretta will make her go faster, and if Doretta has mobs close to her, or being attacked/taking damage (don't remember which it is) will slow her down. Less slow down if dwarves on her.

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Ah, so it's not complete bollocks. Noted, thanks

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:03 PM

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acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:04 PM

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I can testify that dreads are not 0% for solo, just got one earlier this week 😄

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But I understand it's probably caused by the small sample

analog rock Mar 17, 2021, 9:05 PM

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acoustic scarab I can testify that dreads are not 0% for solo, just got one earlier this week 😄

Solo, or multiplayer game with only one person in it ?

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Solo. I like to be able to pause

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:08 PM

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1 minute and I will be able to check if you are confusing it with something else

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:10 PM

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I can start tracking my pure-solo waves if you want

sand lantern Mar 17, 2021, 9:14 PM

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How's suggestion list going?

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:15 PM

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447 entries, up to date, getting too big to casually scroll through

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Ideally it needs to have a "keyword" column or two to sort/filter by, but that's extra work. I have to manage how much time this takes me every week

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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nope, you can not get a dread swarm

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Besides, the categories I'd come up with would be arbitrary anyway

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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thing literally changes to regular swarm

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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glacial topaz nope, you can not get a dread swarm

In solo?

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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well, yes, for solo

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Look, I don't want to say that your claim is not valid, but I also trust my memory that I've heard mission control say "something big is heading your way" and being excited because I so rarely get dreads for a swarm

sand lantern Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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I wonder if swarm delay is hardcoded btw

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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wouldn't trust the brain itself without something to point out too, way too odd how no dread waves happen even if the chance is 100%

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Clearly we need evidence. So I'm going to screencap my solo waves going forward, and I'll get back to this once I have more stats

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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not bad, technically only the dread ones would be needed, want to see if others know which variable could be causing it to appear, bug ?

bold plover Mar 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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You can spawn dread waves pretty easily.

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By default there is a pretty significant cooldown between announced waves.

acoustic scarab Mar 17, 2021, 9:42 PM

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I don't know how to use cooldowns, I'll just be playing as usual but keeping track of waves, mission types and seeds

glacial topaz Mar 17, 2021, 9:45 PM

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:S I posted the values on the wiki, was only in seconds before, now it even has minutes

low hamlet Mar 18, 2021, 12:00 AM

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?

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 12:47 AM

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ME swarm timer

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Well, swarms are disabled during machine events by default.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:48 AM

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so during the 3 minutes, it just stops the timer , or it continues, and as soon as it can, it spawns the swarm ?

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 3:49 AM

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It spawns right after it ends afaik.

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But I also have had swarms enabled for MEs for a long while, so it might have changed.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:50 AM

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if that is the only variable that can affect it, it is the only thing missing to add, and wouldn't be too hard to test

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 3:52 AM

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As far as I am aware, it is the only thing that affects that and maybe mission extraction sequences.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:52 AM

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right, well, if you ever discover before me, feel free to improve the article on ME

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 3:53 AM

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About them disabling swarms during their event timer?

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:53 AM

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more if the timer stops, or not

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like, if you were to get a swarm in 20 seconds, and you start the event, after completing the machine event, would you get it after 20 seconds (timer resumes), or right after it ends
if that made sense

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 3:54 AM

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Everything that I have experienced and read implies that it continues.

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Although. .

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Now that I think about it, they happened back to back, so ME start, no swarms, ME stopped, 2 swarms in quick succession.

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That was in PE, do if the frequency of named swarms increases with time, that'd be why.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Oh huh, so it just keeps piling up, wouldnt be easy to notice on ME, due to the lowest times not being enough for 2 swarms

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Btw, ME for me is mining expedition

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 4:40 AM

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lol

regal harbor Mar 18, 2021, 1:09 PM

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grave swift So, the other day I had a Lacerator be blown by a bulk's death explosion while i...

Might be a large flat damage reduction, ive hit twins with hyper prop during healing and health bar didn't shift at all, also a percentage reduction would leave them somewhat vulnerable to minigun fire as each bullet would still do some damage. of course it might be a combination of the 2.

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Is it intended that the particle well in azure weald only seem to spawn in Escort ?

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I see nothing about that on the wiki but it might just be an oversight or a bug. Trying to gather some info on that.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:42 PM

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never ever heard anyone mention it

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seems easy enough to test, or we can just get a screenshot of it outside escort

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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I've never seen one yet but I saw some screenshots of those... all in escort mission

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Hence why I'm wondering

indigo kindle Mar 18, 2021, 3:45 PM

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The Gravity Well is so rare that it might just be anecdotal evidence that it only spawns in Escort. That said, the only time I've seen it was in Escort as well.

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Ok that's 5 people seeing one but only in escorts so far

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That's maybe a big coincidence

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Is it just me or someone mentioned current rarity of gravity wells is intended?

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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short cloud Ok that's 5 people seeing one but only in escorts so far

Also, maybe that's to not to make your life easier, unlike every other missions, you can't just float here in escort shooting everyone when doretta's under attack

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Imagine scout but on low gravity and like 2sec recharge — he is invincible! Well, almost

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 3:50 PM

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sand lantern Also, maybe that's to not to make your life easier, unlike every other missions,...

Dunno about that
Why make something that would only spawn in escort mission

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That would be a first

indigo kindle Mar 18, 2021, 3:51 PM

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The real question is what the Gravity Well's name in the game files is so we could just extract some relevant data about spawn chances.

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Magic Hole

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 3:52 PM

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so you people are saying that even if the well was as common as exploding plants on magma core, or wind tunnels on sandblasted, they would still not appear on any other mission type

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Well, there are some pros to this decision, so it could actually be implemented, but it's not currently known if it is intended or not

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 3:54 PM

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That's what I'm asking yeah

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I'm just here wondering if there was a missing info about that on the wiki or if it was a bug or just everybody having no luck outside of escort
Or if it's intended in the first place

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 4:10 PM

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well, it doesn't really damages HP, you can see that when you freeze things without aiming at them, their HP is full

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the damage one is "Frost"

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 4:11 PM

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I suppose this is the same for Heat Radiance ?

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 4:12 PM

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didn't test it, but the wiki kinda indicates it is damaging

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"fire + heat"

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 4:16 PM

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I'll have to test it

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brb

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I can confirm it deals damage

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 PM

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stronk

kind epoch Mar 18, 2021, 4:26 PM

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I also only saw the Magic Holes on Escort, whatever if it was myself or on screenshots posted here

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 4:28 PM

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there must be plenty of pictures of it on gallery channel

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 4:34 PM

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all I saw about it were in escort mission

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even saw a video of one in an escort

regal harbor Mar 18, 2021, 4:56 PM

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scrolled up to the Mar 6th on gallery any of the Magic Holes there were on escort and the only one I've ever seen was on escort as well.

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Yeah at this point I just reported it on Jira

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If it's a bug, the devs will know about it

indigo kindle Mar 18, 2021, 5:05 PM

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It definitely feels like the Gravity Well reserves too much space and has issues spawning in smaller caves simply because there isn't enough real estate to put it in.

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Well we'll see if this get fixed at some point

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:19 PM

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can oppressors, guards and slashers spawn outside the promotion system ?

analog rock Mar 18, 2021, 7:36 PM

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grave swift So, the other day I had a Lacerator be blown by a bulk's death explosion while i...

Had a confirmation by a dev that the twins have a full on invulnerability when sharing, so what happened is a bug.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:40 PM

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is this correct ?

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Well, that is the internal name.

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Like the POQ is Magic Crystal.

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And an inside joke is Mike's Magic Hole.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:41 PM

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well, what is the actual non internal name

analog rock Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Keep this one, it's fine

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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I don't think there is one.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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unlaser pointable

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Since it is just debris and nothing you can ping afaik.

analog rock Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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(although I remember seeing a 'gravity well' somewhere)

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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well, can always go with what the devs call it around here

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 7:42 PM

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I've seen particle well before on the wiki but that's about it... I think everyone is calling them gravity well though

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outside of the dev team I mean

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:43 PM

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seems to be gravity hole ?

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at least it is what appears on some of the patchnotes, but not sure if they called it by another name too

analog rock Mar 18, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Oh well, Mike's magic hole is a good name after all...

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 7:45 PM

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glacial topaz can oppressors, guards and slashers spawn outside the promotion system ?

Trijaws definitely can

kind epoch Mar 18, 2021, 7:46 PM

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I was the one originally calling them particle well on the wiki because I had no idea of the real name

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so I changed it now banagement said the real internal name

analog rock Mar 18, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Trijaws can spawn by promotion or on their own, they are in both spawn systems.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 7:49 PM

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technically internal names don't always have the best names, so for following a pattern we probably should have priorities

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:S I never asked about trijaws and brundles because I already know

short cloud Mar 18, 2021, 7:49 PM

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#drg-chat message

confirmed

lament comet Mar 18, 2021, 7:50 PM

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breather

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 7:51 PM

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sand lantern Trijaws definitely can

Pool 2, the answer appears to be no

floral drift Mar 18, 2021, 8:00 PM

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i thought their official name was "Gravity Well"?

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 8:03 PM

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source ? so far there is only "magic hole" for internal name, "gravity hole" for patch notes, and "Mike's magic hole" for dev suggestion

floral drift Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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i have a fuzzy memory of the U33 reveal stream, when GSG had that writer on their team for PC something or other. they did a Dreadnought Elim mission on Azure Weald. in that mission there was both Pillars and Gravity, and my brain is telling me that they referred to it as "Gravity Well" when talking about it and playing in it

weary sonnet Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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I don’t see either of them in Crowdin.

floral drift Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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but i just checked, that VOD isn't available anymore

weary sonnet Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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There is a Void Basket though

analog rock Mar 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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weary sonnet There is a Void Basket though

That's a plant in azure weald

weary sonnet Mar 18, 2021, 8:08 PM

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I don’t see anything else that could match it on crowdin then.

floral drift Mar 18, 2021, 8:12 PM

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i found a rebroadcast of the vod in mind here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/882482108?t=00h19m37s

but WhoEven talks over them a lot, so i wasn't able to pick out if they gave it a proper name.

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one of the devs referred to the pillars as "Standing Stones"

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if other people want to watch through that vod and try to hear the stream behind WhoEven talking, go for it.

grave swift Mar 18, 2021, 8:15 PM

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analog rock Had a confirmation by a dev that the twins have a full on invulnerability when s...

Thank you, good to know

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 8:26 PM

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thoughts ?

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also, true ?

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Have never seen haunted salvage. Meanwhile we know for sure at least one mod (low oxygen) is disabled for salvage, therefore probability of getting another one banned is slightly bigger

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Yes, it is banned from those.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 8:37 PM

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what about the nitra one ?

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Seems fine to me.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 8:38 PM

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also this steeve one is turning into "let's list everything the AI ignores and that might be dangerous to them"

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Useless

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 8:40 PM

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I mean, while kind of strange it isn't awful to have our one Glyphid ally AI have some explanation.

weary sonnet Mar 18, 2021, 8:40 PM

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The first sentence could be useful so you know what to expect when taking the perk, but there is no need to continue beyond that.

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Since they do die incredibly easily and people wonder why.

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Oh, I forgot to mention that I got some somewhat new information regarding repellent platforms and other general AI.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 8:42 PM

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this ?

weary sonnet Mar 18, 2021, 8:42 PM

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This is what I meant yes.

bold plover Mar 18, 2021, 8:43 PM

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By new I mean a proper representation of how they work, which I'll probably do some more examples of.

glacial topaz Mar 18, 2021, 8:46 PM

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well, now that is good to hear
AI and spawning being high onlist of things I would be curious to test and understand

sand lantern Mar 18, 2021, 8:46 PM

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glacial topaz this ?

Somehow can't react lol

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:09 AM

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if Rate of Fire can't be too high due to engine issues, why can the BC damage 50 times per second ?
and does the damage instance depends only on the line itself, or the creature's position ? guessing line only

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 3:14 AM

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BC was overhauled a lot (used to destroy performance) and there is a big difference between 1 projectile hitting 50 times a second than 50 projectiles per second.

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BC does its listed damage per second of contact with an enemy, it will do a portion of that damage if the contact duration is less than that.

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It can also benefit from weak point hits > 1, making triple split quite effective.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:18 AM

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so, line thickness ? and odd that, for me, the line would have to calculate what it is damaging every 0.02 seconds just like a hitscan weapon would

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 3:19 AM

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So if you clipped an enemy with the beam edge it would do the same damage as a centered shot.

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Ideally you would make the enemy travel with the beam for the most contact time.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:21 AM

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the idea that you can even not get full damage with it is bizarre

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 3:21 AM

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It's easy to test.

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And I think it is quite literally specified in the UI as DPS.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:23 AM

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I mean, not the part that you won't get the whole second in damage, since the thing takes time to damage, but, for example if the damage is 10 (so would be 500 per second), can a creature ever get less than 10 damage, that isn't from hazard reduction, or their resistances ?

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I think I misread what you said, and you corrected it

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I imagined the line wouldn't damage normally depending on position

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Well, considering anything that is in contact with the beam gets slowed by 70%, I would assume that it is a hard no.

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Oh, I see.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:28 AM

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heard there is quite some stuff we didn't include in the wiki about BC
might be good to have it before the balance patch so it is easier to control,

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 3:28 AM

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Like a skewed shot that hit a stray leg would definitely not do the same damage as a shot at center mass.

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But if you were to hit center mass with the edge of the beam and maintain that contact time, it would.

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Basically if an enemy touched the line anywhere it would do the same damage.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:30 AM

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it basically hits or does not hit, all that matters is how long it is in contact
~~also I think the slowdown is to nerf you using it with glyphids running away~~

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 3:32 AM

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It can go either way.

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Slows down advancing enemies for more contact time.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Btw, I calculated that based on the speed and damage tick the line would damage every 20cm , so, considering fester fleas are smaller than that, can they ever survive it ? Only way I can see it always working is if the first damage instance is on contact

bold plover Mar 19, 2021, 4:03 AM

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It does 50 damage on first contact iirc.

austere fossil Mar 19, 2021, 4:05 AM

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It does, 50 Burn to be specific.

floral drift Mar 19, 2021, 4:17 AM

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austere fossil It does, 50 Burn to be specific.

50 Burn is the internal name, on the wiki it would be referred to as "50 Fire" damage

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 12:40 PM

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Tell me one thing, where should Doretta head carrying info even be ??? for the escort page
Gameplay, Doretta, Heartstone, or Trivia ??

sand lantern Mar 19, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Trivia? It's not gameplay or heartstone, besides it's really not important as for me

short cloud Mar 19, 2021, 12:42 PM

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All of them drillchamp
I misread.
In trivia indeed

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 12:43 PM

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that thing appears everywhere and people can't even remove the other mentions, annoying

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 2:30 PM

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are those right ?

indigo kindle Mar 19, 2021, 3:07 PM

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All of those are correct, I posted the info added in those snippets into this channel a few days back.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 3:13 PM

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where do you think I got it 👁‍🗨

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 5:26 PM

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hmmm

kind epoch Mar 19, 2021, 5:47 PM

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that was just bound to happen

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a lot of people literally never saw "radii" in their life, me included, and think that's a typo

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it's just a matter of time before someone make the change xD

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 5:51 PM

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so the correction is wrong ?

sand lantern Mar 19, 2021, 5:52 PM

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kind epoch Mar 19, 2021, 5:55 PM

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plural of radius is either radii or radiuses, but in this sentence it also works to not put it in plural so

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idk

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 5:56 PM

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if the sentence is fine with it being plurar or singular, then it is fine

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 8:57 PM

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is the right side better than the left side ?

sand lantern Mar 19, 2021, 9:02 PM

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I personally like it

floral drift Mar 19, 2021, 9:04 PM

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i prefer the wording on the right

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and i'm not just saying that because i started that terminology :p

analog rock Mar 19, 2021, 9:14 PM

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I would personally say that using ticks as a unit can lead to confusion, and therefor to stick to seconds.

glacial topaz Mar 19, 2021, 9:24 PM

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technically both use seconds
also, can always have a third option

sand lantern Mar 19, 2021, 9:25 PM

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~~Atomic cycles~~

floral drift Mar 19, 2021, 9:35 PM

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~~quartz vibrations~~