#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 43

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 3:48 AM

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can I have 1 image as an example ? and what we need it for

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considering my 3 tasks would work best as a team on the stage they are, I won't feel bad for helping with a 4th one

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 3:50 AM

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I'm fine to also help out on cropping those (since I did half the original weapon skins, the old ones)

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But would want to finish the actual thing that will display them first

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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let me just

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1neJnJLNy72Nz6qkyKryKeKj7HSfGKrCJ

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does that work?

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Boy the BG could have been more uniform xD

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if anything Ely could add on the pins or something

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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yeah lol

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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ansel doesn't work on that ?

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 3:53 AM

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nope

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sad noises

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 3:53 AM

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When I did my set I could use game filters to do it but NVIDIA likes disabling that feature, had to work hard to get it to work for me at the time

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Might not even be possible now

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 3:54 AM

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i can't even get greenscreen to work for me

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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if only we could make the cropping much easier

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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sigh

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i can do cropping if you want

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Well cropping is easier with the weapons all being in the same rotation, I could not get that

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You only need to do each weapon mesh once

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All skins then can be done with the same shape in seconds

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 3:57 AM

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huh

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no clue what you're talking about

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so i'll leave it to you

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lol

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 3:57 AM

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there is an easy way to explain, willsee if cyrob will do it

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 3:58 AM

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The pixels you need to remove will be the same for each skin variant of a particular weapon framework combo, so once you have done one you can copy paste the edit on all the others

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 4:00 AM

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ooh kk

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what program?

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Any image editor

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Well once you have deleted the background you can use the magic wand tool to select the transparent pixels and just paste that on all the other skin variants

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Not sure if MS paint has that but the free Paint.Net has it

glacial valve Aug 14, 2020, 9:40 AM

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i have done a bunch of those for the CRSPR but it's a ton of work

weary sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 1:58 PM

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if anything Ely could add on the pins or something
@glacial topaz
If you mean for the weapon cropping it is already on the pins, for now there is only rotter on it, not sure how much he has done on it.
If that one is a priority, I can switch to it, but I’m doing too much things at once, so I’m not making much progress overall (still saving everything in a file, so nothing is lost, I still have the partial data).

Offtopic, I took a better look at the background for the icons, looks like the background shape will need to be created manually, the best I can do is provide some in game screenshot to show the basic shape for each of them.

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 2:18 PM

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I would say it's not a priority since I've still yet even to build the JS to display them

hollow jasper Aug 14, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Which icon shapes are needed?

weary sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 2:20 PM

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It is related to that message:
https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/743174741350940692
We got the icons shape, color and background color, but the shape seems to be defined directly in the code.

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e.g. for the stagger the background it is an hexagon while for the dash it is a square.

hollow jasper Aug 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Hexagon is probably BasicShape_Hexagon01, and the square is likely GreyBox01, or the ButtonMK2_* textures. The square textures are only 32x32px though, so not very useful for the wiki.

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

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hmmm, if I can get the border / proportions of those shapes + the icons themselves it should be easy to create it on an image editing program

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 8:31 PM

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I think this is better?

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with the little bit making the name into it's own box

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 8:35 PM

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if the symbol aligns on the center there shouldn't be a need for any new lines, not sure of the best way to make it center

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 8:36 PM

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well, i wanted to have that line to seperate the title from the icon. i can center the icon as well

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you just have to use a div tag

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 9:22 PM

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yeppers

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<div style="display: flex; justify-content: center;">
</div>

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that works :)

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that looks loads better

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the icon line is super long now though

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lmao

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| style="padding:10px" | Lighter Tanks <div style="margin-top: 10px; margin-left: -10px; width: calc(100% + 21px); height: 1px; background-color: #53a448;"></div> <div style="display: flex; justify-content: center;"> {{Icon overclock full |Clean|Ammo|}} </div>```

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that's the line for the first one lol

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 9:28 PM

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can't we have it on the template ?? like {{Icon overclock full |Clean|Ammo|Center}}

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how it looks without line, want to hear from others too

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 9:29 PM

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tried that

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the {{Icon overclock full |Clean|Ammo|Center}} bit

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nvm

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apparently i had to capitalize the c in center

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i can give all the templates that formatting tomorrow

acoustic scarab Aug 14, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Perhaps https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Missions should mention how much of the xp/minerals/credits are awarded in a failed mission

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How much is it anyway?

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 9:44 PM

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25%

acoustic scarab Aug 14, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Upon digging an Egg free from a nest, a roar will sound and a group of angry bugs will spawn.
It's "might", not "will" though, isn't it?

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Will

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might is for swarm

acoustic scarab Aug 14, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Ah, gotcha

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 11:28 PM

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alright the new format for the overclock table is live on crspr

floral drift Aug 14, 2020, 11:39 PM

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@glacial topaz do you have the enemy movement speed values in a spreadsheet somewhere?

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I do, but we aren't 100% sure on how the values are used, since it has 2 values (iirc)

floral drift Aug 14, 2020, 11:40 PM

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may i see the spreadsheet? i have a hypothesis of how Fear works

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 11:41 PM

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floral drift Aug 14, 2020, 11:41 PM

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thanks

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it looks like the one i need is labeled "Max Speed", thanks Omega!

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once i get it coded up in my program, i'll edit Status Effect page with my working theory of how Fear works

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 11:46 PM

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doesn't it need its own page

floral drift Aug 14, 2020, 11:48 PM

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🤷‍♂️ your call. as a status effect it makes sense to group it with the others. i don't know if there will be enough info to make it its own page (e.g., it would be a stub)

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 11:49 PM

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I imagined we would make a list of enemies courage and weapons fear

floral drift Aug 14, 2020, 11:51 PM

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that sounds reasonable. if you make the Fear page, i can fill out its content soon

glacial topaz Aug 14, 2020, 11:52 PM

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do you know how to make a page ? you should do it since you have the base, I can add the tables / lists later, but want to hear from others on page vs only including on status page

floral drift Aug 14, 2020, 11:54 PM

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i do not know how to make a new page in the wiki, sorry. i've only ever edited what others have written already

shell frigate Aug 14, 2020, 11:55 PM

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If you try to go to a page that does not exsist it gives you the option to make it

low hamlet Aug 14, 2020, 11:55 PM

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^

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that's one way

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Micro Fletchettes [sic]

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what's the [sic] on the end there?

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 12:11 AM

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it means there is a typo on the original text

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 12:17 AM

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wait, how?

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 12:18 AM

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it is "Flechettes" not "Fletchettes"

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 12:19 AM

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yeah ik. but how does sic mean anything lol

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also, the new formatting is up :)

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 12:21 AM

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"The Latin adverb sic ("thus", "just as"; in full: sic erat scriptum, "thus was it written")"

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 12:21 AM

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ahhh ok

glacial valve Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

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that screenshot
it's pretty much what i envisaged
and how to potentially get the elements to align by using 2 rows
wp

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"[sic]" could mean there's a typo but not necessarily. could be grammar or stylistic

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it can also be used if the word is very old or used in a nonstandard way

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The Latin adverb sic ("thus", "just as"; in full: sic erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted after a quoted word or passage indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed or translated exactly as found in the source text, complete with any erroneous, archaic, or otherwise nonstandard spelling or punctuation. It also applies to any surprising assertion, faulty reasoning, or other matter that might be likely interpreted as an error of transcription.

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anyhow in DRG it's generally typos or small mistakes, for example "...where we Honor the fallen" (when entering the promotion chamber)

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I don't think Honor should be capitalized but there it is

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 1:31 AM

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yeah that makes sense now :)

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 1:34 AM

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aw man, the person that did the nice status icon for neuro didn't edited the wiki for 4 months

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 1:48 AM

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oof

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who was it?

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Jakapoa

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just hoping I am doing something wrong when trying to get the status icons

floral drift Aug 15, 2020, 2:29 AM

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@glacial topaz here's my first draft: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Fear

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it could probably use some stylizing and maybe some rewording? but that's my working theory about how Fear works...

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 2:46 AM

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will check more soon, wonder if it is best to use 0.5 or 50% for courage

floral drift Aug 15, 2020, 2:47 AM

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0.5 works better in the formula

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 2:58 AM

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formula could change tho

floral drift Aug 15, 2020, 3:46 AM

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update: goal distance from TSK_FleeFrom_C.distance is 1000, or 10m. updated page accordingly

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 5:54 AM

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some witchcraft happened and now I got icons to work with, will think some more on the BG so all icons can have nice colors, didn't try finding the assets, would be too odd for me if the game didn't have those

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 11:51 AM

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For the OC display feel free to make other changes, let me know once it is final, I will try to make a template out of it.
This one was the example I think:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/CRSPR_Flamethrower#Overclocks

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:33 PM

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The line between the name and the icon makes me want to get rid of it, but I'm aware of just how much trouble that would be

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Also, congrats on being the employee of the month

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The easiest solution, I think, is to make it a single cell and nest another, borderless table within it that only has the name and the icon

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:35 PM

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It was a single cell before, I think the line was added by turtle.

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So it must be his new look proposition.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I know it was, and also both text and image alignments were all over the place. That's fixed now, thankfully

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:38 PM

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I remade the OC template to allow a left align when used inside a paragraph and centered alignment when used inside a table.
The new appearance inside the OC table was made by turtle.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Another solution would be to remove class="wikitable" because that allows setting individual borders' thickness, but I have no idea how much of the current table layout it will break

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 PM

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The wider border are used as a separation for the different types of overclock.
This is something that is used commonly on this wiki.

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It is used in the mod tables, perks and milestones tables too.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Hmm

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:42 PM

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If you come up with a better solution than that to separate subcategories within a table we could try it, nothing is set in stone.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Woah, haven't seen this kind of magic yet

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weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:43 PM

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I used that kind of thing on some of the template, it can be pretty useful depending on what you need to do.

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You can also use the wiki {{#expr: }} to do the calculations.

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height: {{#expr: {{{radius}}}*{{{scale|30}}}+3}}px;

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:54 PM

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This is what I meant

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I'm not going to commit any changes yet.

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:56 PM

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I prefer it that way too, maybe with bold names, but I will wait for everyone to agree on the apearance of the page before trying to make a template for it.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Sure.

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It turned out to be an easy change, too. All I did was replace <div style="margin-top: 10px; margin-left: -10px; width: calc(100% + 21px); height: 1px; background-color: #53a448;"></div> with <br>.
Which, honestly, felt to me like pushing a Ying dynasty vase out a window

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I have a question though, do you think we should use the same template for both mods and OC or make separate templates?

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 2:00 PM

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I'd go for separate. They follow different unlock structures and so need different info to be displayed

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Most of the table content is the same (icon/name, effect, description, price), so my point would be that using the same template would allow them to be perfectly aligned.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I quite like how the mod table shows class rank required to access the mod

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It's easy to read, it's unobtrusive

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 2:02 PM

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I wouldn’t remove it, more like trying to fit it in the table while keeping the alignment for both table.

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Not sure if it is a good idea, that’s why I am asking here for people to think about it.

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Ok I'm gonna leave this here so people can take a clear look if they want to have an opinion on this

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glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 2:46 PM

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tbf I don't think that making such a big / long change should happen without checking if others like it too, at least that I can remember

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I'm not going to commit any changes yet.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 2:54 PM

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the one that happened, the lines

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 2:56 PM

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I just saw it, I was thinking it was only on the crspr pagse as an example, but it was on all of them it seems.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 3:10 PM

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are all icons an hexagon ? just had to look for "hexagon" xD got "BasicShape_Hexagon01"

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 3:11 PM

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I think most status and temperature shock are, if not all of them.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I think I was only able to export statuses from players (missing temperature check icon for example, but I got it from the "upgrades" section?), can you confirm that is the file used for BG ? will see how I can align them later and show here

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shell frigate Aug 15, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I have been doing more on the SkinVeiwer JS (and made a cleaner mock-up) Turns out there should be a way to make it without JS if needed but it's not optimal

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Would cause user to load all images at once and not look to good so still working on JS for now

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 3:37 PM

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what is the "X" for, isn't there always the base version ?

shell frigate Aug 15, 2020, 3:39 PM

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It's extra, there is nothing for it to be used for

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For frameworks it's a reserved space for dragon

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For Paint jobs it's to make them a non-prime number so they be neat

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 3:54 PM

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weird, the stun icon is out of bounds ? not sure if I got the right one, but when looking at the example ely posted it has some parts outside the boundaries

weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 4:00 PM

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The one I posted is from shooting a lootbug with the bulldog.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 4:01 PM

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like, the only thing I got was from looking for "staggered" and "stun" and both are related to upgrades, not statuses

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weary sonnet Aug 15, 2020, 4:03 PM

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PAF_staggered is the name of the stun status in the files.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 4:05 PM

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"there is no visual objects loaded now"

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so should be why I was so unlucky exporting those

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 5:40 PM

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o

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do you guys like the lines

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 7:59 PM

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;0

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there's no pages for complexity and length i think

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I think it might be a good idea to remove search and extract from this

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glacial valve Aug 15, 2020, 8:28 PM

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I think that's a good idea. As long as there's a way to get to the "removed content" (category/list/etc) 🙂

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 8:55 PM

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@weary sonnet can you add adding gloomstalker and picaxe part assignment gallery images and details to assignment page?

fickle pebble Aug 15, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Hi guys, I found this in bug channel, is this correct?

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glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 9:47 PM

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what is wrong ?

fickle pebble Aug 15, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I think he says the temperatures are wrong

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 9:49 PM

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what was used for that claim ? observation ?
it is possible to recheck the values, but curious

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 9:51 PM

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#bug-discussion

shell frigate Aug 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Just that -300C is impossible in our physics

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I / we mentioned that before, but that is a style choice

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I suggested getting rid of C, but Ely mentioned people are bad at understand it or something

shell frigate Aug 15, 2020, 9:53 PM

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It's not like other parts of the game violate physics

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Not a wiki issue

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The wiki is supposed to reflect in-game data, current numbers agree with the game data 😛

low hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 9:55 PM

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yep

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my argument is the rest of the game is absolutely riddled with impossible things, so who cares about this

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heh

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i guess gsg devs dont want to be tied into the restrictions that earth physics and science stuff would place on the game

floral drift Aug 15, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I don’t think that temperature values are in terms of Celsius in the first place. Enemies start at 0, which means that water would freeze on them. I propose that we adopt a different unit for temperature measurement.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 10:21 PM

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as I mentioned, C was only used for people to understand

acoustic scarab Aug 15, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Cave room temperature 😛

bold plover Aug 15, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Time to pull a murica and create our own freedom unit.

glacial topaz Aug 15, 2020, 11:18 PM

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should this have more columns with the fear chance for different fear values ?

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should it be ordered based on courage

low hamlet Aug 16, 2020, 1:39 AM

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ordered yes

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im not sure what ur asking for the other

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Fear change would be nice to add

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Also may actually get the JS done soon, may want to thing about the naming schemefor the images

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 2:51 AM

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one thing, should 200% chance be displayed as 200% or 100% ?

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considering chances above 100% don't really exist

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Either could cause confusion, but 200% should cause less

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Tested out most the JS on the Wiki and it looks to be working

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Needs completing and a tidy up

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But after that once the images are ready it should be good to go

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 3:02 AM

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i'll work on updating the table in Fear, sorting it primarily by Courage values, secondarily by alphebetical. also add columns for common Fear Factor values. i started it, i'll keep working on it

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 3:03 AM

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I will keep reviewing it and all

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 3:03 AM

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It's Working!

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The Wiki Hates spaces and added in some underscores but that's not too bad

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The image is just a textbox for now since the images are not yet done

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Can be found under: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Weapon_Skin_Viewer Though the JS is my user custom JS so will not work for anyone else currently, also open to the icons being reordered

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 3:20 AM

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alright, Courage vs Fear Factor probabilities added to table, and sorted by courage values.

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 3:22 AM

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you probably should add something like "chance to get fear" or something to explain what the columns mean, you see ?

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 3:24 AM

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i added that in the sentence directly above the table

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"what the probability that the Fear Status Effect would be applied depending on the Fear Factor value applied to that enemy"

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 3:26 AM

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also it probably is easier to read if we use "13%" and not 0.13, at least it is how it is presented in game, might be different in the code, but

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 3:31 AM

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if we change Fear Factor from decimals to percentages, the formula P = F * (1 - C) is a bit harder to wrap your head around, since it's using a % for F and a decimal for C

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i was intentional to make them both decimals to prevent needing that mental jump

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additionally, saying Fear Factor is "13%" leads users' intuition to think that it would apply fear 13% of the time

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which is demonstrably false

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personally, i value clarity of presentation more than trying to match what's listed in game

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(also in code it's a decimal, but that's irrelevant to the points i'm making)

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 3:55 AM

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not sure about what people get confused about or not outside just guessing

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13% is actually 13% chance, just that courage changes it, so it wouldn't be that off

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 3:58 AM

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i think we should get a third party to weigh in on decimal vs percentage Fear Factor values, i don't think we'll be able to convince each other

glacial valve Aug 16, 2020, 6:23 AM

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FWIW i'm with meatshield on this one.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 9:56 AM

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Yeah, decimals sound like the better solution

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:19 AM

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How about using word to explain it first, that would match the formula pattern?
Something like thit

P = F * (1 - C)```

Actually renaming FearFactor to Base Fear Chance and Courage to Fear Resistance could just be enough to make it clearer I think.

glacial valve Aug 16, 2020, 10:45 AM

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yup

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Am I the only one getting unparsed characters before every perk name?

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weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:11 PM

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This is a unicode character for a full circle, I was thinking this one was widely supported.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Firefox 79.0

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User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:79.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/79.0
OS Windows_NT 6.1 7601

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:13 PM

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This character one is from 2008 it seems, Unicode 5.1

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Even my IE can't tell

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:15 PM

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You probably don’t have a font that support that version of unicode on that pc.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Yeah, must be not a browser issue

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:15 PM

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To make it work we will need to use image instead of a unicode character or to use an older character if there is something similar.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Let me play around with it

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Can you see this image well?

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On the area damage page:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Area_Damage

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Welp, nevermind 😄

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weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:17 PM

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If yes we can use a small div with round angle to replace it.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:18 PM

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weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Ok, that should work then.

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Ok, just tried something.
Can you check if you can see the first circle now? For field medic lvl 1.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Yup, a teal full circle.

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Ok I managed to make it look very close to the rest so it should be fine to make the switch I think.

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I just need to verify the colors.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 12:33 PM

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This new circle has the benefit of actually being a circle and not an ovoid breather

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 12:34 PM

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The new circle is an empty div with 50% round border on all sides and a colored background.

glacial valve Aug 16, 2020, 1:02 PM

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the wiki editor has a character picker right

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does that not give the desired result?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Not with older computer/some special characters.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 1:32 PM

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It's possible to tame a Glyphid Grunt, Glyphid Grunt Slasher, Glyphid Grunt Guard, or Ebonite Glyphid.

Does the ebonite grunt crumble to dust like the rest of them do at the end of the machine event?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 1:33 PM

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They die if the event end and they are in the radius of the explosion, if they are far enough they should be able to stay.

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I know they could survive if you go very far, but it was a long time ago, I didn’t retry it recently.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Do we have stats for ebonite creatures anywhere?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 1:43 PM

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I didn’t gathered them for now.

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Getting their health and resistances shouldn’t be a problem, but it will be time consuming.

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Anyone know if there is a direct relation between this kind of variable and the cold damage done?

{
    "export_type": "HeatSourceStatusEffectItem",
    "Temperature": -100.0,
    "Intensity": "ETemperatureIntensity::Cold2"
},```

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 3:38 PM

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like the mactera that take more heat / cold damage compared to others ?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 3:40 PM

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No, this code is used for some attacks/environmental damages instead of the cold damage, mostly for clouds/dots/vents…

low hamlet Aug 16, 2020, 4:09 PM

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no idea

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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How are we on the weapon image cropping, I though I heard one weapon was done but I may be misremembering

glacial valve Aug 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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i did a few skins for the crspr but it's a ton of work to get it to acceptable quality

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*sets of skins

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Fair, have you uploaded the ones you did?

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 4:51 PM

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@glacial topaz @weary sonnet I think Elyth's suggestion is a good compromise, what do you think Omega?

glacial valve Aug 16, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@shell frigate not yet, i could do that if you want. will take a little time to sort out the files

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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If you can would be great, do want to test out the viewer

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Current naming scheme it's build for would be Skin_[WeaponCode]_[FrameWork]_[PaintJob].png
E.g:
Skin_CRSPR_Stock_Digital_Danger.png
Skin_CRSPR_Custom_Engineered_Default.png
Skin_CRSPR_Neon_Band_Dark_Future.png

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But it can be changed if you have one in mind

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 5:01 PM

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is neat

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:16 PM

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ok, i'll go update the Fear page to implement Elyth's suggestion

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 5:18 PM

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For the second formula, you could link to the hazard level page and use the same name as the variable, at least mention it where you define the variable (for the Enemy Movement Speed multiplier)

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:21 PM

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sure

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 5:22 PM

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what happens when there is a way in the way of a feared enemy, do mactera simply keep attacking ?

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:26 PM

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i've only seen Grunts or Praetorians unable to path to the goal distance a few times in my testing, so I'm not entirely sure. It seems like they abort the Flee command and resume normal behavior about 0.5 sec later, but I have no data to support that.

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as for Mactera: I'm uncertain how the Fear mechanic interacts with them. the vast majority of Fear sources are tied to Damage types that kill Mactera faster (explosive, fire) so i haven't done any testing on them. would need mods from Elyth to get no-damage Fear sources like PGL

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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shouldn't kill goo bomber or grabber, right ?

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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according to the Courage values mactera dont have any Fear Resistance so the proc rate would just be listed..

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Grabbers already flee on any damage

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so it would have to be tested on Bombers

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i'll go do that later this afternoon

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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iirc grabbers sometimes don't flee and need more damage

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I got a couple mods for the PGL already, one of them reduces the damage to 20, so it should be good enough to test it.

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 5:36 PM

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M1000 would work too, right ? precision terror or the fear the boomstick for Scout

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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PGL would be preferable -- M1k Fear is on weakpoint kill

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PGL is on damage

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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2 spawns, kill 1 on the weakspot, good luck missing it

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Elyth, if you could hook me up with the 20 dmg PGL mod in DCT server #modelers channel i can use it in testing Mactera this afternoon

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 5:41 PM

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sure

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This mod uses compact rounds to reduce the damage, is it ok with you?

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 5:43 PM

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yep

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i could use some help with formatting the Fear page, actually. i changed the Fear Proc formula from <math> to just a four-space indent and now it looks like it got wrapped by a <pre> tag? looks weird.

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Wiki code doesn’t like indent at all.

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I use indent when working on template and I need to remove all of them or almost when posting the final version, otherwise I got spacing issue or white box like that one.

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If you want to have it with an indentation you will need to use a span with a margin left.

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 6:06 PM

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alright, i think i've made all the requested changes (except mactera, which i still need to do tests for). Elyth or Omega, would one of you be willing to do another review of the Fear page?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I will check it again later today.

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 6:08 PM

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later, maybe it could use some images / animations if it doesn't yet ?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I think we could add the list of the creatures max speed as well.
And once we figure it out, add theses values to the creatures’ individual pages/infobox.

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 6:10 PM

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only image is the Fear icon i added originally. animations could be good, but i don't have any video editing software.

See You in Hell explosion
Praetorian running away from Autocannon Fear

are probably the two that are needed, any others would be gravy

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explosion demonstrates the bright flash of light that ignores Fear Resistance check, and Praetorian running away would show the normal 10m Flee

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Turns out Gamepedia unlike mediawiki has a custom CDN thing going on making direct links to images for this near impossible

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Feels like Fandom keeps trying to kill this Skin Viewer the number of issues I've had with it

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May still be possible to do, I'm just going to have to had JS secretly load the img wiki page so it can then try find gamepedia garbage-ifed link to then be able to hotlink the image

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Wiki Squad, we got a good opportunity of getting new trivia and facts, we can make a list of questions for devs that will be passed on

shell frigate Aug 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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I'm melting my brain trying to get around gamepeida so can't think of any questions but I'm sure we had quite a few

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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maybe having the list on the pinned messages would help, and no worries for rushing it

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better make sure we are all happy with the list instead of sending 10 different versions due to forgetting stuff

low hamlet Aug 16, 2020, 6:57 PM

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btw we've got some time for it so no need to rush

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 6:58 PM

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:S that is what i said

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 7:15 PM

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alright, i added some snippets about how the Fear Mechanic works in regards to Mactera enemies

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 7:50 PM

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The fear page looks good to me.
Not sure if it is needed, but I would develop the formula for the duration of the fear effect, to get something like that:
T = time needed to travel 10m = distance / time = distance / (1.5 × max speed × haz modifier × (1-slow effects)
The developpement could be in one or several lines

It may be just me be I find it harder to understand when it is just a few letters with the legend above (if it is just me, we can keep it that way, or keep the short version at the end).

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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that's certainly a fair critique -- i know one of my shortcomings is not being able to effectively communicate the knowledge in my head to other people in ways that they understand

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i'll spend a few minutes trying to think of a way to build that formula up incrementally instead of dumping the full equation with a legend

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 7:53 PM

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There is some way to align the lines if you need to with the math extension.

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 7:53 PM

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yeah, LaTeX i understand 🙂

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communicating abstract concepts -- not so much

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 8:24 PM

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alright Elyth, take another look at the Duration section. i tried explaining what the formula was doing verbally before giving the actual formula, as well as added the intermediary equations.

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 8:45 PM

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still think the lines don't look good

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 9:33 PM

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could you be more specific? the lines in the courage table, the equations, which lines?

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 9:35 PM

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those

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floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 9:43 PM

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oh, sorry. i thought it was feedback on Fear

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my b

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Is there a list of current wiki projects anywhere? Or are we all working on whatever strikes our fancy that day?

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 9:54 PM

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pinned messages in this channel

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Right. Silly question.

floral drift Aug 16, 2020, 9:55 PM

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no worries 🙂

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:02 PM

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If you notice something missing or outdated on the wiki, feel free to ask for it to be added on the todo list.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:09 PM

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No no I just wanted to see how formal the process is to decide whether we like the extra lines in the overclock table or not

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If working on it is a shared effort, is there voting or does someone just throw in a layout and we wait X days for people to comment/object

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Anyone can propose change to it, then it is mostly if peoples like it or not.
Anyone can comment on it/propose other solutions and all votes have the same weight.

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In this case the added lines doesn’t seem to be popular so far, but the icon and tex centering is so we will work around that probably.

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Another possibility here.
Simple centered with the OC name half-bold.
The OC column could be a header as well, I did it only on the first line, not sure if we should, I would say no.

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glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 10:35 PM

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at most I would make the text have a darker BG, not all of it, keeping it clean is fine too

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:36 PM

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I'm leaning towards no, but it might be helpful to look at an entire table like that

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Full dark looked weird to me too and I am not sure it needs a custom background.
For the example above I used a half bold font weight (ie in between normal and bold) because the full bold was making it look like a header.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Omega also suggested bold names, which I agree with

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:37 PM

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acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I'm not feeling it

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:38 PM

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With all header, font weight is currently at 550 (normal being 400 and bold being 700)
The table header are bold for reference.

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Same, just without the OC column being a header

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glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Hey, adjusting width for Mods / OC tables for todo ? remember we talked about that

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I plan to do that by making a template for both of them once we decide on their appearance.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I keep thinking back to how cool width=15% is and how impractical it turns out to be in the vast majority of cases

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:42 PM

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So the width would be adjusted in the template directly, it would be the same kind than for the main creature page, just a lot easier to create.

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In this case It will be more something like an absolute size for the price and OC column, the rest will be left free I think.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Do you think the space around the OC name is a little tight? Maybe 10px above and below it?

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:44 PM

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There is already a 10x padding

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Ah, not between the OC and OC name

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Lines or not, more space between them looks a bit better imo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/453469452097421315/744195352726339664/unknown.png

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:45 PM

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There should be a 10px padding for every OC cell, but nothing is set between the name and OC image.

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Bold is an interesting choice that makes it look more nice

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Now with a 10px margin below the OC name.

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acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Huh. Five pixels, then?
I feel bad for making someone else do these microscopic adjustments instead of hammering them out myself 😄

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10px looks too much.

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:57 PM

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acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Just right.

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 10:59 PM

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It should be live if you want to check it/play with it.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Overclock_table_crspr_flamethrower

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Only work with that one, I will use it as a base to make the template once we are happy with it.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 11:00 PM

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I should really go to sleep

weary sonnet Aug 16, 2020, 11:00 PM

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I never said you have to do it now.

acoustic scarab Aug 16, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Yeah I'll give it a spin tomorrow, probably

glacial topaz Aug 16, 2020, 11:16 PM

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hmmmmm, how is this ? (fixing typos, on descriptions yes)

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low hamlet Aug 16, 2020, 11:48 PM

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that looks good!

low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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which one?

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or

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low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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@glacial topaz what screenshots should i get besides the panel for miners union

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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the fear page ones

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:23 PM

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For the OC page, my choice goes to the bottom one, ie without the lines.

Side question, still for that page:
Should be add a 5-10px gap between the positive/negative effects (so only for balanced/unbalanced OC) to separate them a bit?

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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does it look good

low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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the miners union page looks great

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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No idea, I will give it a try.

low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Should be add a 5-10px gap between the positive/negative effects (so only for balanced/unbalanced OC) to separate them a bit?
I read yesterdays convo a little. I like the 5px gap better

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i still can't get green screen to work

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😭

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Sticky fuel got a 5px margin-bottom for its effects, no changes for face melter.

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glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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nice

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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It looks better than what I expected.

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I think the color separates clean/balanced/unstable OCs better than any line can

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Distinct colors, distinct shapes, the eye quickly groups them together

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:47 PM

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So you prefer it without any space without the effects like in the face melter in the example above?

low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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space

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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O-oh sorry I totally misread what we are talking about

low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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otherwise the tips will poke into the name a little

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I think it will be a case by case basis, whether the icons needs to be moved down a tad or not

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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A margin between positives and negatives makes them very slightly more readable

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Imo

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Adding a line was another possiblity, but I tried adding a space instead since the lines doesn’t seems popular and the color was already a good separation.

acoustic scarab Aug 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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The way it's laid out on Sticky Fuel looks good to me

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I will apply it to the table without saving to get a global view.

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low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 4:12 PM

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yeah that looks better

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 5:46 PM

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guessing the separation will be applied to the correct spot and later to all pages ?

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Well it should be applyed between the positive and negative effects.
As for applying it to all pages, it will be the case after I made the template.
If we want it sooner than that, I can try to use a replace all to try to do that, it should be doable using regex, I just need to be carreful when writting it.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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well, for CRSPR it doesn't look like it is between the pos / neg effects

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weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I didn’t apply the changes yet.

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Check again.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 5:51 PM

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all good

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Should I do the replace all or not?
I can make it work for the lines and half as well if it is what we are going for for now.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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don't see why not

shell frigate Aug 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Go for it just do a look over the pages changed after

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Ok, I will do it in steps to reduce the chances to mess something up.

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Hum, I need to adapt the regex to the limited one the wiki understand it seems.

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Well, no lookahead, lookbehind and no nongreedy operator, I will need to rethink the way I wrote it for it to work it seems.

low hamlet Aug 17, 2020, 7:04 PM

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so i basically can't do environmental screenshots until i get my ansel fixed

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 7:47 PM

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In case of problem, here is what I used for the first replace:
;*" *\| *([A-Za-z ]+)<div.+/div> *(\{\{Icon overclock full)
; font-weight: 550;" | <span style="margin-bottom: 5px; display:inline-block;">$1</span> $2
It should remove the line and add half bold for the OC name.

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Do I need to validate something? The changes don’t seem to apply this time.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 9:25 PM

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how is this for Tip ?

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shell frigate Aug 17, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Could simplify it to being detached entirely unless we know the area / numbers

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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I don’t have any numbers on that.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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well, "If the Deeptora Honeycomb is detached from terrain it will get instantly destroyed." shouldn't be wrong

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also it needs an image of the insect swarm

shell frigate Aug 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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The swarm can't be greenscreened

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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even though, should be neat to get how it looks in game, either attacking a player, FPV, or far away

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~~no way~~

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weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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This is the cleanest close up picture I could get of the insect swarm.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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that works, we can do another version if needed later, you going to add it ?

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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You can do it if you want.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 9:49 PM

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"Insect Swarm" is a good name ?

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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It is the official name used in the MM.

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I think I have some nice ideas of screenshots I could get to add

shell frigate Aug 17, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Gamepida is having a change with CDN so image uploads may get disabled during the next few days

weary sonnet Aug 17, 2020, 11:18 PM

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The changes made with Replace Text are still not live, the doc says it could take some time though.

shell frigate Aug 17, 2020, 11:24 PM

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That is quite some time

glacial topaz Aug 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

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oh well

sand lantern Aug 18, 2020, 5:02 AM

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What's wrong with dreadnought cocoon spawning?

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Why does it spawn randomly even on EDD?

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I mean you'd think it won't have any random in it cuz it's EDD. But it has!

acoustic scarab Aug 18, 2020, 10:17 AM

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You mean you got a dreadnaught "wave" during an EDD?

sand lantern Aug 18, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Nah, dreadnought cocoon can spawn in different places in DDs

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 12:36 PM

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should I revert that edit ? saying shockers aren't unique to dense biozone

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certainly isn't an enemy that can appear on all zones

wary cove Aug 18, 2020, 12:38 PM

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I could have sworn they were in all zones

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 12:38 PM

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the purple ones from breeders or the blue ones ?

wary cove Aug 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Blue ones

manic scarab Aug 18, 2020, 12:40 PM

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the blue one are on dense biozone/glacial strata

wary cove Aug 18, 2020, 12:40 PM

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My mind is 100% certain I've seen them both in dense biozone and glacial strata, fairly certain I've seen them elsewhere as well but not 100% on it

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 12:41 PM

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is there even a better word for enemy that only appear on 2 zones

wary cove Aug 18, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Exclusive to certain regions, if it's only 2

weary sonnet Aug 18, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Shockers are only in 2 zones afaik.

signal meadow Aug 18, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Thankfully

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dderp

wary cove Aug 18, 2020, 12:43 PM

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I like them :)

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 12:43 PM

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just because someone removed the unique enemies part from biozone, so if anything it is the template that needs a name change

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"Special Creatures" or something

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I will just undo it

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isn't that mine head image out of date ?

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weary sonnet Aug 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

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I think the current one has different colors at least.

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As for biome specific enemies, that command seems to include them:
GetAll EnemySpawnManager SpawnRarityModifiers

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 12:54 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Biome_Features is this just a collection of all features of all biomes ?

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 1:39 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Tyrant_Shard if anyone wants to add how it looks

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Error_Cube this one needs a review too, just to not forget

weary sonnet Aug 18, 2020, 1:59 PM

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For Biome_Features I think it is any kind of level element hostile or not that can only be found in a specific biome.
Not sure that page is really usefull as we have the same kind of list at the end of each biome.
I didn’t even know that page existed so far.

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 2:02 PM

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if we are deciding on deleting it I am not against

weary sonnet Aug 18, 2020, 2:04 PM

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This page has not been updated for over a year and until now no one noticed it or reported it, so I think moving that kind of information at the end of their respective biome page would be better.

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For the tyrant shard page, the main information is there and I don’t see anything wrong in the page, or anything to add.

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 2:08 PM

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it is just missing the "appearance" section, it had nothing but the infobox on it and I added the rest

glacial topaz Aug 18, 2020, 8:06 PM

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feeling the main and combat section are somewhat mixed https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Grunt_Guard

craggy wraith Aug 18, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Are there actually any differences in cave generation between the biomes? I haven't noticed that being a thing, but I have seen other people mention it and so does the wiki (though only briefly, and not on every biome page).

bold plover Aug 18, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Talking about general layout?

craggy wraith Aug 18, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Yeah, stuff like the size of rooms/tunnels

bold plover Aug 18, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Yeah, there is.

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For example crystalline caverns can spawn a whole network of tunnels that can only be traversed by driller.

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They are basically just air pockets all the way, much smaller than a dwarf.

austere fossil Aug 18, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Magma Core has those annoying ribs across the floor and ceiling in some rooms

bold plover Aug 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Room size is affected by both complexity and length so you'll pretty much always see the same big rooms on 400 morkite.

floral drift Aug 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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sandblast = big + tall rooms

bold plover Aug 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeah, the overall shape of caves is different per biome.

craggy wraith Aug 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Huh, alright

low hamlet Aug 18, 2020, 10:30 PM

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feeling the main and combat section are somewhat mixed https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Grunt_Guard
@glacial topaz my bad. i was rushed to finish that

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 1:09 AM

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should this me "Minerals" ? since it is "Crafting Minerals"

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austere fossil Aug 19, 2020, 1:43 AM

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definitely

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 2:24 AM

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how is this ?

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shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Seems good

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 3:02 AM

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enor pearl / jadiz will need some changes, how do I modify it ?

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will check it tomorrow , probably won't forget

bold plover Aug 19, 2020, 4:14 AM

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If we still need a decent silicate harvester picture there is a good one in the wallpaper section of the DRG website.

acoustic scarab Aug 19, 2020, 8:41 AM

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For more efficiency farm a mission that is a 3/3 length; this way you have a 33% chance ti have a cargo or a crate to spawn. Even both with some luck ! Once the cosmetic is claimed you can abandon the mission and won't lose it
From a reddit thread
Do we have any confirmation that cave complexity/mission length affect the spawn rate of crates and helmets?

bold plover Aug 19, 2020, 10:17 AM

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They do not. They have code to scale with it but it is currently non-functional.

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Thus why 7 aquarq, hazard 1 PE missions are the best for farming. That and it is easy to tell if there is a ME.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

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@shell frigate i just checked the skins i already did for crspr

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fourth relic, glyphid hunter and custom engineered, though i think one of them isn't 100% up to the quality of the others

and i just saw that i still need to rename them all as well

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what was the syntax you need?

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 11:43 AM

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For the name syntax:
https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/744600401365696572

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 11:49 AM

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OK it'll be a fine amount of work to rename them then since they're numbered screenshots. i'll get to it when i come back from my appointment later today

probably will just use rename master or something

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really wish i could have backgroundless screenshots to work with since this is so much more work
but ansel is being blah

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hmmmmm

hey so i was thinking, would it be possible to mod in a different background instead of the brown one then re-take the screenshots? since using greenscreen and ansel doesn't work in the menu

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if not no problem

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 11:52 AM

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I don’t know how to mod for textures and such, but other users may.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 11:53 AM

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i'm also thinking antialiasing/sharpening may have to be looked at.

i wish i still knew how to use paint shop pro 7 but i have completely forgotten how i used to get nice tidy antialiasing removal

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Easiest way is to remove the AA before taking the screenshots.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 11:54 AM

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yes

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i agree

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 11:56 AM

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I never tried to remove the AA afterward, at most I redraw some part of the image or cropped a bit more.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 11:56 AM

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yeah that's what i've been doing.

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but then i apply the mask over the other skins for that framework and keep finding stuff that needs more work so i have to go back

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anyhow for the skins viewer what image resolution are we talking

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right now it's the same as the skin images in the current gallery

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i made sure to use the exact same pixel sizes as the current gallery images since those are not duplicated in the set i was provided

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:02 PM

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Something like 500-800 px wide would be the maximum size would need, not sure for the minimum.
That size would only be usefull if we can display it in most of the page or open in a new page to view the skin.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 12:03 PM

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yea, it's 500-800 width right now I think

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depending on the weapon

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:03 PM

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The screenshots should be in 1920x1080 so depending on the weapon it can vary a bit, don’t try to modify them to be exactly like that.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 12:04 PM

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ah i cropped them to be identical to the current weapon images in the gallery

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:04 PM

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I don’t think it was needed.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 12:05 PM

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the images in the google drive pack i got are all 1920x1080

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but have the weapon in the left side of the image, lots of empty space

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:05 PM

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It is not a problem either, just not something that you needed to do I think.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 12:05 PM

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this is what they look like without modifications, 1920x1080

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:06 PM

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In that case remove all the background, make it transparent and crop it as close as possible to the weapon.

glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 12:06 PM

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yeah that was what i was doing

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Thisk kind of size, but with a proper cropping.

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glacial valve Aug 19, 2020, 12:07 PM

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yea

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okay good

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🙂

weary sonnet Aug 19, 2020, 12:11 PM

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\o/ I finally found the class properties for most of the clouds data.

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A few hundreds praetorians died in the process though.

shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 12:24 PM

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@glacial valve I don't need a particular name syntax since I can change the one it uses quickly that was just the one I had it set too

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As long as your name scheme is consistent I should be able to make it work

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 12:54 PM

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//how to even call the enor pearl object itself ? (the sphere)

shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Just the pearl?

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could call it things like the haulable

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 1:19 PM

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think this works for it ?

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shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 1:21 PM

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May mention they can't run so the speed penalty feels much greater

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 1:22 PM

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really ? , must be why it felt much slower, I will have to add that to more pages, so "25% speed penalty (sprinting is disabled)" ?

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 1:47 PM

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how is this change for navibox

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shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Might look a bit off being talker than the other rows

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 1:53 PM

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shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 1:54 PM

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That seems better

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 1:55 PM

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and using "25% speed penalty (sprinting is disabled)" is a good way to explain it ?

shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Maybe "Sprinting is also disabled"

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 2:02 PM

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alrighty

acoustic scarab Aug 19, 2020, 2:59 PM

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I think "Crafting Minerals" can be safely changed to "Minerals" because it's already in the "Crafting" subgroup

shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 2:59 PM

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That could work

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 3:04 PM

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it is 12 gunk seeds you collect, right ?

shell frigate Aug 19, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Think so

acoustic scarab Aug 19, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Also I'm not sure, but the icon for gunk seeds that the wiki uses might not be the one currently in the game

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I don't remember the icon being red in the HUD

glacial topaz Aug 19, 2020, 3:28 PM

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can you get a screenshot or something

acoustic scarab Aug 19, 2020, 8:09 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/File:Gunk_seed_icon.png

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

File:Gunk seed icon.png

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Yeah, my gut feeling didn't lie. The hue is off

bold plover Aug 19, 2020, 9:32 PM

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They used to be flesh colored.

low hamlet Aug 19, 2020, 11:06 PM

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The '''Glyhpid Exploder''' will move towards players at a run. Once they get within a certain radius, they will stop and make a sizzling sound, and explode. This deals a significant amount of damage, and explodes a patch of terrain leaving behind slag on all [[hoxxes|biomes]] besides [[Magma Core]], where the explosion leaves behind hot rock in the place of slag. Body parts are also occasionally left over after the explosion.
Added this for exploder attack description. Thoughts?

bold plover Aug 19, 2020, 11:12 PM

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"at a running pace." VS at a run

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Only "torn off glyphid leg"s are left behind.

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The sizzling effect buffs nearby exploders run speed as well.

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So the first one that starts detonating makes the rest faster.

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Another thing that you can add is that it is impossible to defuse an exploder with melee unless you have skull crusher buff or SYIH buff.

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The AoE on normal melee attacks overrides a headshot for defusing.

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So you either have to damage it with a tiny amount of damage before melee or have those buffs (which I have not tested).

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Not sure if there is a tip section for them but you can literally walk through them and come out unscathed. The only time that you can be damaged doing that (or running through them) is by having someone shoot some which is a waste of ammo and a good way to get people killed. They also cannot be defused if they have been damaged enough to start detonating so it has to be a killing blow headshot for defuse to work.

austere fossil Aug 19, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Sort of related, thanks for making me finally realize why I'm almost never able to melee defuse exploders anymore. RIP old berserker.
But you definitely can melee defuse exploders still if you have Skull Crusher.

prisma vault Aug 19, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Can someone add to update 32 that Microsoft version will be getting new framework and engine upgrade and I think that could be put under more unannounced stuff

low hamlet Aug 20, 2020, 1:18 AM

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it couldnt. that's all quotes from the roadmap. i can put it into the top though

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 2:12 AM

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uhm... should that be here ? for exploders

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bold plover Aug 20, 2020, 2:12 AM

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🤔

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Considering that they don't get larger and the hissing could literally be anything else, I'd say no.

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 2:14 AM

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kick

low hamlet Aug 20, 2020, 2:16 AM

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game is full of references so

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you could wack it in there

bold plover Aug 20, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Majority of the references are from cosmetics.

wary cove Aug 20, 2020, 2:39 AM

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That's just somebody putting their opinion in there

jaunty wind Aug 20, 2020, 5:22 AM

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saying its a creeper is also like saying its a steam radiator about to explode

analog rock Aug 20, 2020, 10:31 AM

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The '''Glyhpid Exploder''' will move towards players at a run. Once they get within a certain radius, they will stop and make a sizzling sound, and explode. This deals a significant amount of damage, and explodes a patch of terrain leaving behind slag on all [[hoxxes|biomes]] besides [[Magma Core]], where the explosion leaves behind hot rock in the place of slag. Body parts are also occasionally left over after the explosion.
Added this for exploder attack description. Thoughts?
@low hamlet There is no slag in the glacial strata, and the only body part they can leave is a leg (same for bulks, iIrc)

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Another thing that you can add is that it is impossible to defuse an exploder with melee unless you have skull crusher buff or SYIH buff.
Is this recent? I don’t remember having any trouble disabling them without any buff before, but I tried it and I can’t do it anymore now, just as you said.

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Did you used to always use the old Berserker perk? Cause with even +1 melee damage from it you'd be able to melee defuse a full health haz4+ exploder.

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Well the old berzerker perk was active no matter what.
Even when I didn’t have it equiped.

sand lantern Aug 20, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Does amount of rewarded cash for IMU chapter vary from month to month?

acoustic scarab Aug 20, 2020, 2:53 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Status_Effects#Web
Can be burned by CRSPR Flamethrower
I'm fairly sure any weapon modded with fire damage can

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 2:55 PM

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tested ?

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 3:02 PM

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That should specify that the environmental Sticky Web can be burned by CRSPR/other fire damage. I at least know the boomstick with White Phosphorus can, I do it all the time.

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Should check if it's specifically Fire or if just Heat can do it as well. Easy way would be Hot Bullets and Burning Hell on the minigun.

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If you can at point blank but not at range, then it's specifically Fire and that would imply any source of Fire damage would work.

low hamlet Aug 20, 2020, 3:14 PM

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There is no slag in the glacial strata, and the only body part they can leave is a leg (same for bulks, iIrc)
oh. right ty :) i'll add that

bold plover Aug 20, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Vampire had the same / similar buff as berserker.

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People always thought old berserker was why it was so good but it was double dipping.

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 7:21 PM

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I tested it back then, the buff was active even without taking a single passive.

bold plover Aug 20, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Yikes.

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Best passive ever, doesn’t even require to be equiped.

bold plover Aug 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

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So triple dipping.

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I can’t find the data for one of the dreadnought attack for some reason, or the file for it, anyone know where that file could be?
It is the wide AoE explosive attack doing 85 damage after a roar with the pikes going out of the ground.

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 9:42 PM

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why is that ? due to being an old attack ?

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:01 PM

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So just did some new testing trying to get the Without a Paddle achievement after trying a failing several times some time ago, once even using multiple players.
The trick was popping the cocoon and then running out of ammo so the dread spawned right after I ran out. This was "Solo" and without Bosco, on hazard 1.

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It might not require the exact pop->run out of ammo->dread spawn sequence you just need to run out and then have the dread spawn soon after

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Not sure why, but I can’t find a single data in UUU or in the files for that attack, all I could find was from in game tests.

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as for without a paddle, all you need for it to work is to empty primary + secondary ammo and not bring bosco, for some reason bosco count as a dwarf for that challenge.

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I did that many times and it didn't work

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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That is how I got it after a few test.

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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But those times always had a significant delay between running out and the dread spawning

weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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There was like 1-2 min max between running out and spawning the dread.

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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It's very possible I waited that long since I often also emptied grenades and flaregun ammo

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This time I didn't though, just primary and secondary and made sure to pop the cocoon right after or just as I ran out

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 10:30 PM

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: S

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glacial valve Aug 20, 2020, 10:30 PM

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pffffffff

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who

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WHO

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whomst

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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oh boy, well, it is on recent changes, doing a casual check there

glacial valve Aug 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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also fun, it's "levels" not "level" (are is multiple)

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 10:33 PM

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what is this change for ?

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austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Was it working without the " ? because it probably shouldn't have

glacial valve Aug 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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what he said

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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wait, wtf is armor mastery

glacial valve Aug 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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the quotation marks are for syntax

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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The pips at the bottom where you get +5hp per 3 mods purchased

glacial valve Aug 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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it would be possible to unintentionally break the layout without those quotation marks if something was added to it

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so this is more of a code tidy up thing

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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re armor mastery

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weary sonnet Aug 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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×1.045 not +5, the game is lying

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I noted that on the page, remember ? xD

austere fossil Aug 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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ik, didn't remember the exact number besides the rounded +5

glacial topaz Aug 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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did I do that for HP page ?

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isn't it odd that armor mastery is the only thing explained in the page and not the others ? should I just link "armor mastery" to its page ? well, there isn't a single page for it though

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glacial valve Aug 20, 2020, 10:59 PM

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I think maybe you could have a section in the Equipment Terminal page explaining what Equipment Mastery Levels in general are

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and then differentiate between Armor, Weapon and Gear mastery

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if needed

floral drift Aug 21, 2020, 3:29 AM

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@glacial topaz @weary sonnet did the <math> extension break? the two formulas in https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/"Thunderhead"_Heavy_Autocannon#Rate_of_Fire_Mechanics and the one in Fear are showing "broken image" links instead of the formulas

glacial topaz Aug 21, 2020, 3:31 AM

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glacial valve Aug 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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i thought it was just my script blocker

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:05 PM

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The math extension did break, the same thing happen in the area damage page.@floral drift

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And replace text is still not working.

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

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The Math extension images are broken is a known issue since 19th due to the CDN transfer, it's Gamepedia wide

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Cyrob, do you have any idea where the files/data for that attack could be?
https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/746091557999870023

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 12:32 PM

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He has 5 files for attacks in his folder

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Spider_Shooting_TankBoss_RangedAttack - Fireball
Spider_Shooting_TankBoss_RangedAttack_Egg - Pheromone

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:33 PM

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So far I found these attacks with UUU and the files:

Slash: # Spider_TankBoss_MeleeAttack_01
    Damage: 25
    DamageClass: Melee
    MaxSurfaceAngle: 180°
    AttackRadius: 200
Bite: # Spider_TankBoss_MeleeAttack_02
    Damage: 25
    DamageClass: Melee
    MaxSurfaceAngle: 180°
    AttackRadius: 200
Ignited Projectile: # Spider_Shooting_TankBoss_RangedAttack
    RadialDamage: 30
    RadialDamageClass: Explosive
    DamageRadius: 250
    MaxDamageRadius: 150
    MinDamagePct: 0.2
Swarm Bladder: # Spider_Shooting_TankBoss_RangedAttack_Egg
    RadialDamage: 0.1
    RadialDamageClass: None
    DamageRadius: 200
    MaxDamageRadius: 100
    MinDamagePct: 0.4
    Status: Pheromones for 10 s
Dig: # Spider_TankBoss_CarveAttack
    Damage: 15
    DamageClass: Melee
    MaxSurfaceAngle: 180°
    CarveDistanceAdded: 350
    CarveDiameterCM: 500
    AttackRadius: 500```

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But no attack in the files I found seems to match the AoE with piques.

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Well the UUU ones match up perfectly with the files
Spider_Shooting_TankBoss_RangedAttack - Ignited Projectile
Spider_Shooting_TankBoss_RangedAttack_Egg - Swarm Bladder
Spider_TankBoss_CarveAttack - Dig
Spider_TankBoss_MeleeAttack_01 - Slash/Bite
Spider_TankBoss_MeleeAttack_02 - Slash/Bite

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I could differenciate slash and bite, but it wasn’t needed in that case.

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Slash/Bite are identical in the files other than using different animations ANIM_Spider_TankBoss_Attack_A_Montage/ANIM_Spider_TankBoss_Attack_C_Montage

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:41 PM

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For the spikes attack, I could only test it in game, that’s how I got the 85 explosive damage, but I have no idea where the file is and UUU can’t seem to find it either.

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Well at the minimum it does have an animation file(s) ANIM_Spider_AOE_TankBoss_Montage(_SP)

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Looked at BB_Spider_Tank_Boss, shows that RangedAttackCooldown, AOEAttackCooldown & SpawnSpiderCooldown are valves the game uses

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Not what we are looking for but interesting none the less

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:51 PM

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I think I will just add that to the questions to ask to the devs.

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Looking at BT_Spider_Tank_Boss it's mentioned ```JSON
"export_type": "TSK_Attack_Special_C",
"Montage": ["ANIM_Spider_AOE_TankBoss_Montage", "/Game/Enemies/Spider/Animation/ANIM_Spider_AOE_TankBoss_Montage"],
"SP_Montage": ["ANIM_Spider_AOE_TankBoss_Montage_SP", "/Game/Enemies/Spider/Animation/ANIM_Spider_AOE_TankBoss_Montage_SP"],
"TreeAsset": {
"export": 1
},
"ParentNode": {
"export": 15
}

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I saw the mentions as well and remember seing this file a few versions ago, but somehow the file isn’t there anymore.

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Nope, still nothing in the old folders.

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It was the particle file, not the attack file.

low hamlet Aug 21, 2020, 4:45 PM

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i don't think the "when rolling" and "rest of the time" are variants

glacial topaz Aug 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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they can stop rolling to spit andlook around

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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But they do set their resistances

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 4:46 PM

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They are not variants but I couldn’t think of a way to add their conditional weakness here without making the template a lot more complex.

austere fossil Aug 21, 2020, 4:48 PM

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The correct way would be to put the "when rolling" etc inside the resistances column, but that'd make it really crowded so using the otherwise empty "variants" column for it is a fine compromise.

low hamlet Aug 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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hm

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ig

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also i'm gonna center the base health bits because it looks weird as is

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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 | id               = o4
 | name             = Q'ronar Shellback
 | icon             = Q'ronar Shellback
 | variant          = 2
 | health           = 450
 | scaling          = Special
 | armor            = Heavy
 | weakpoint        = Eyes: x2<br>Mouth: x2<br>Tail’s tip: x2
 | v1Name           = When rolling
 | v1FireRes        = 30
 | v1FrostRes       = 30
 | v1ElectricityRes = 100
 | v1ExplosiveRes   = 80
 | v2Name           = Rest of the time
 | v2FireRes        = -50
 | v2FrostRes       = -70
}}```

low hamlet Aug 21, 2020, 4:49 PM

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i'll test it on my profile first

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 4:50 PM

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This is what the template currently look like, we would need to redo it to allow that or to make an exception for them to add it automatically.

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Flex display could work to centre them

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display: flex;
justify-content: center;```

austere fossil Aug 21, 2020, 4:53 PM

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"when rolling" etc are technically state variants, like how dreads have the armor/health states as variants

low hamlet Aug 21, 2020, 4:54 PM

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wait where would the flex display go?

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 4:54 PM

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In the column style

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like any regular css

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 4:55 PM

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That may cause funky-ness

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Should be applied to the health table itself and not the cell it's in

low hamlet Aug 21, 2020, 4:57 PM

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yeah

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 4:57 PM

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As flex is about positioning that thing in it's parent, so if given to the table cell it may get shrunk

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low hamlet Aug 21, 2020, 4:58 PM

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yikes

weary sonnet Aug 21, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Should I use a fix width for the health table’s cells?

shell frigate Aug 21, 2020, 5:03 PM

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When applied correctly it works fine

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floral drift Aug 22, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Cyrob, thanks for letting me know why the extensions are broken. Is there any estimate of when the CDN migration will be done and (hopefully) the plugins will work again?

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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The CDN migration is meant to be done, but expect they will have to update the extension to work again

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I think I finally have all creatures attack data.
Now I need to figure out how to alter the template so it can support all of this.
Leaving the file here for the curious since it will take a while to add this properly to the wiki.

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📎 Creatures_Attacks.yml

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 12:53 PM

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That's a lot of tasty Data

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 12:54 PM

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It took me some time to gather theses, for the unknow points, I added the questions in the list.

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 12:56 PM

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So only the Damage radius of the Trembling Stomp?

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Yes for that one I manage to test the damage in game, for the damage type, I must be explosive since the gunner take half of the damage with his shield on.

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I tried to look a bit into it, it seems like the attacks I couldn’t find with UUU/or in the files are stored in the EMMD file.

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Not surprised it being something special

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Since it's the only attack that changes if SP or MP

acoustic scarab Aug 22, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Does anyone know what kind of damage a falling resupply pod deals?

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If it's kinetic, I imagine the larger bugs aren't immune to it?

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Does not mention it's type in the files

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 1:10 PM

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supposedly a falling pod can oneshot a dread if its weakpoint is exposed

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is it possible to land a resupply pod on a korlok as it is opened?

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(or near enough to damage it)

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the timing tho

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Also been looking more for links to Trembling Stomp in the files but the Dread's Behaviour Tree is the only thing I've seen reference it

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Well you can control when it opens so should be able to

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Though at least looking at the Behaviour Tree gives a very detailed look at how enemies behave

lucid girder Aug 22, 2020, 1:12 PM

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I've nailed an oppressor with one before, pretty funny if you just trap them in place with a bubble shield

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 1:13 PM

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The supply drop is typeless and can’t hit weakspot since it is purely an aoe.

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 1:13 PM

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cheers

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i should probably have formulated it as "when its shell has been depleted"

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Damage: 1000
DamageCLass: None (Typeless)
DamageRadius: 150
MaxDamageRadius: 125
MinDamagePct: 0.25

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 1:15 PM

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is typeless damage resisted by anything? or is it more like "true damage"

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 1:17 PM

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It can be resisted since some enemies have a property called InvulnerableToNonDefinedResistances

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 1:21 PM

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supposedly a falling pod can oneshot a dread if its weakpoint is exposed
@glacial valve This has been fixed quite a long time ago to avoid abuse with a prepared pod on a platform.

is it possible to land a resupply pod on a korlok as it is opened?
I'm kinda tempted to try that one, if someone has a mod to force it's spawn

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 1:22 PM

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hmmm well, it takes a while to set up. kind of a shame but also good that they kept the dreads to at least be a bit challenging

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 1:22 PM

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Trembling Stomp is in the .locres file but could not get a link from that to anything else

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 1:22 PM

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also i love that visual, a prepared pod on a platform

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 1:23 PM

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They removed the bug that caused a pod to be able to deal damage as soon as it was falling, as that was able to deal something like 200 pod impacts in a single time to a dread

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Alright, I'm off to see the ~~wizard~~ korlok. Anyone wants to join in for the "kill a korlok with drop pods" experiment ?

signal meadow Aug 22, 2020, 1:27 PM

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are you just gonna play until it spawns?

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dderp

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also, GSG managed to kill a dread like that on stream

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but on accident

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Cyrob used predictive spawning probabilities and told me I would get one on every game ^^

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Tech wizard magic

signal meadow Aug 22, 2020, 1:29 PM

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burn the witch!

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 2:17 PM

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The results are in : In H2P2 one pod on the open core will remove two bars and 1/2 of health, H3P2 almost 2 bars (it was able to heal the second one), H4P2 one bar 2/3 of health.
Dropping two pods at once did not count the second one, dropping pods on a closed core does nothing.

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 3:10 PM

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holy crap

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i was looking at uncategorized files and the egg pulling noises are in there

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they are so spooky

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like imagine hearing that in the middle of the night outside

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 3:16 PM

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how did I forget to put a category for it

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guess we had no idea of where to fit it

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 3:19 PM

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i put it in audio

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like how the molly walking sounds are

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where do these go though?

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 3:26 PM

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graphs

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or some more general word

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 3:27 PM

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i recall that there are already graphs somewhere

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but i dont know where

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ok i just called it graphs. so if u want to change it you know where to find it

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 4:13 PM

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huh, so you can focus shot with only 1 bullet for the m1000 ?

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Yes, if it is the last bullet in the magazine, and it will only consume that bullet (unlike some other game where it would consume one bullet in your reserve).

signal meadow Aug 22, 2020, 4:29 PM

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haven't ever noticed that?

sand lantern Aug 22, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Are these things actually unenableable?

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When spawning like this

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Never seen a natural spawn like that

signal meadow Aug 22, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I assume theres no infuser and the tower is raised from the very start?

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Happened to us just today when me and azerty were testing killing korloks with drop pods

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I assume it was too close to the drop pod

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But it didnt explode like it should

shell frigate Aug 22, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Ah, that makes more sense

sand lantern Aug 22, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Yeah, there's nothing under three towers

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I assume that's how they spawn naturally, just this time there's no towers cover

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Yeah, it's what happens if the pod is genrated too close to an event on salvage missions

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You only get parts of the event in

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Especially visible on OMEN events, since the tower is very big and segmented

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On tritilyte, you only get the ground rubble in these cases

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 5:10 PM

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@glacial topaz looking for the lootbug sounds, what are they called?

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on the wiki

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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it is all organized

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Category:Loot_Bug

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Category:Loot Bug

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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@sand lantern that happens when the droppod is too close to the machine event

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only omen leaves behind that weird buggyness

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and it almost always only happens on salvage

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i'm actually just going to add a little thing about that on the wiki

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oh looks like azerty already answered. oops

sand lantern Aug 22, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Almost always? I thought it happens because of DP killing machine event @low hamlet

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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yep that's why

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i think it just is more common because that area is a great place for them to spawn and they just get destroyed because of the salvage pod

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i've only every seen it in salvage and on #bug-discussion it's only been for salvage missions

sand lantern Aug 22, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Oh, you meant it almost always gets killed on salvage, not almost always happens on salvage

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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both

sand lantern Aug 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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In which mission it gets killed as well then?

low hamlet Aug 22, 2020, 5:28 PM

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it probably happens in others, but very very rarely

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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In others, it is actually a feature : the DP is supposed to destroy an event if it lands on top of it, as to not block the way in.
The devs also added (or tried to at least) a way for the drop pod not to target a ME position as viable for landing.

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*In missions others than salvage

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 6:01 PM

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wait, how is the warden buff move called ?

weary sonnet Aug 22, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I don’ think there is an official name for it.

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 6:03 PM

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check miner's manual?

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i think it does mention something about it

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 6:07 PM

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if anyone has access to it

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Here you go

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This as well...

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glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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probably the former

analog rock Aug 22, 2020, 6:21 PM

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it is the former

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But I though the name of the weakpoint needed to be mentioned as weel, since it is quite...unusual

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 7:03 PM

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now only need to do menace and qronar

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 11:22 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Missions#Warnings

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the anomalies (yellow mutators) don't have the extra %haz bonus table

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 11:23 PM

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well, yes, they shouldn't affect last I remember

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 11:23 PM

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they do

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i thought.

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well, i will test

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 11:24 PM

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asdasdasdasd

glacial valve Aug 22, 2020, 11:24 PM

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i was also thinking of putting the text and the icons in that section into a table

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to make it more tidy

glacial topaz Aug 22, 2020, 11:32 PM

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the mission end screen should show it

bold plover Aug 22, 2020, 11:45 PM

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They don't afaik.

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 12:32 AM

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OK then if both of you say so, i'm probably just wrong, thx for steering me right

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

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redid this section: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Missions#Mutators

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i want to add some more padding to separate the text out a bit

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DONE 😄

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looks good

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i will be doing a bit more cleanup on that page later today

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(in the other sections)

low hamlet Aug 23, 2020, 3:39 PM

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aye that looks good :)

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 4:23 PM

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i need some clean shots for the loot pack and helmet. anyone got a nice screenshot i can use?

glacial topaz Aug 23, 2020, 4:23 PM

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nothing on the wiki media? you can request it to be taken

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 4:25 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/File:Lost_pack_cave.jpg this is what i found, i'd like a more clean image of one where the loot pack's shape and color are clearly visible

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

File:Lost pack cave.jpg

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 4:44 PM

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also. is there an overview of the % chances for each special encounter (enemy)? 🙂 and loot pack helmet/crate
i might as well add that to the stuff i'm working on now.

shell frigate Aug 23, 2020, 4:55 PM

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The changes for each thing should be on their page but there is no page that has them all

glacial topaz Aug 23, 2020, 4:55 PM

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still being worked on

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 5:06 PM

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it doesn't say for korlok @shell frigate

weary sonnet Aug 23, 2020, 5:07 PM

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6% like BET-C

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 5:08 PM

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OK, cool, i'll compile a list

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i see it's not on the pages except for bet-c
was also working on expanding the random encounters section on the missions page a bit so the overview could go there (as the encounters are already listed there)

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just not the % chances

shell frigate Aug 23, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Also worth noting the chance for each thing is rolled independently

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So can have everything

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 5:10 PM

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i have added that yes

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😉

shell frigate Aug 23, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Nice

sand lantern Aug 23, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Crassus 3%

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Not listed in wiki btw

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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6% for crate/loot pack right?

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and thanks

weary sonnet Aug 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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1/6 for crates/lost pack

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 5:33 PM

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did some work on random encounters part of the missions page

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shell frigate Aug 23, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I think the crates/lost pack use the same valve (as in you can't change it for just one)

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 5:36 PM

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golden loot bug is 6%? huuli?

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and the crassus is not affected by haz level? so it can spawn on haz1? o_O

shell frigate Aug 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Crassus can but have a special requirement needed for it to spawn

sand lantern Aug 23, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Huh? Who is this?

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glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 6:05 PM

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you found cthulhu

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you dug too deeply

shell frigate Aug 23, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Not seen that before

vague cliff Aug 23, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Is there a more specific wiki for spawn chances of events/mobs and a hitbox viewable/program for Mobs that you encounter?

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(Sorry for grammar screw ups)

glacial valve Aug 23, 2020, 7:07 PM

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spawn chances of random events is what i'm going to include in the Missions page (the entries are there, but i'm still waiting on some numbers)

bold plover Aug 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I have some cropped images for the lost pack and lost helmet.

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Made them a long time ago for emotes.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 1:46 AM

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isn't that wrong ? iirc you only need a key which you get for all Dwarves when you promote the first one

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Missions

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 1:47 AM

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i believe you're correct. to the best of my understanding, the first time you promote any of the 4 dwarves, you gain the Tritilyte Key for use by any of the dwarves

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 2:11 AM

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The descriptions on that page aren't supposed to be the ones found in game, right ?

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bit confusing, it is mixing descriptions with tips on how to deal with it

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 8:43 AM

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For that key, once you have one promoted dwarf you get one you can use globally.
Only deep dives requires you to be on the promoted dwaft, for ME it doesn’t matter as long as you have one it will work afaik.

acoustic scarab Aug 24, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Yeah, I'd rephrase that as "can be activated once the player has at least one promoted dwarf"
EDIT: done

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 9:55 AM

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isn't that wrong ? iirc you only need a key which you get for all Dwarves when you promote the first one
@glacial topaz this is true

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good catch, i missed that one

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I have some cropped images for the lost pack and lost helmet.
@bold plover do you mind sending me those so i can add them to the wiki?

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also, still need huuli hoarder and gold loot bug spawn chances. oh, and machine event's chance to occur; i take it that all the variants of event will have the same chance to appear if a machine event is in the level? then i will have the full set of random encounter chances, and i can add them to the relevant sections

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Think it's 15% for hoarder & gold lootbug

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1 in 4 for Machine events (should be equal chance for what type)

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 10:18 AM

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thanks Cyrob!

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 12:12 PM

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We have the chance for Oppressor as well:
#wiki-related-chatroom message
It is the chance for a Praetorian to be replaced by an Oppressor based on hazard level.

I wonder if slasher and guard work the same way, they way spawn pool / creatures are sorted make me think it is the case.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 12:45 PM

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I think oppressors could be on the "swarm" page or something, considering they are not unique encounters. will put it in the file though!!

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Missions#Random_Events updated the unique creature encounters with a table. may make it a bit fancier later

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:07 PM

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opinions?

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currently using the right one, trying out the left one

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i kind of like the one on the left more since it feels like less wasted space

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:13 PM

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I would go with the left one.

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The spawn chances are not reduced in haz1 anymore btw for bet-c and korlok. Not sure for crassus.

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 1:14 PM

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What is the * for, can't see it written anywhere

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:14 PM

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well

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you mentioned something about a special condition

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but not what the condition was

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 1:14 PM

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RequiredMainCampaignProgress = 99

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Ah so you can only find it after finishing the main quest line or something like that.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:15 PM

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ahhhhh

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 1:15 PM

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I assume so

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:15 PM

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is that the Conquer Hoxxes?

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so for korlok and bet-c, the spawn chances are now also 6% and not influenced by maincampaignprogress?

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Can’t check it for now on my side.

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Wait wasn’t huilli and golden lootbug 15%?

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:17 PM

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i asked yesterday and was told 1 in 6

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 1:17 PM

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At the time Crassus was the only creature that did not have it at 0

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:17 PM

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1 in 6 is for the crate/lost pack.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:17 PM

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if its 15 i will be happy

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 1:17 PM

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That's for crates & Packs

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Think it's 15% for hoarder & gold lootbug
@shell frigate

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Just a few messages above

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:18 PM

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cheers, i may have been confused

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:18 PM

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Np

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It is not like we never make mistakes.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:19 PM

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so to recap: AFAWK korlok and bet-c have as of now a fixed 6% chance of spawning on missions of any hazard level

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right?

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when was this changed?

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:19 PM

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Yes

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Hum I can track it up to U28 when I am back home but not earlier than that.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 1:21 PM

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okay, and i would like confirmation on if the main campaign progress interacts with their ability to show up on haz1 etc. for crassus it's confirmed right?

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thanks for the help btw, finally feeling more useful. missions page is coming along nicely

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 1:24 PM

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The crassus condition could be tested on experimental using a mod.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 1:43 PM

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why not include the fraction format as well for chances ?

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:04 PM

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have considered it but 3% chance is going to be a weird fraction

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we could round it

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 2:08 PM

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that is 3/100

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I meant more for "16.67" so just "1/6"

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:30 PM

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is it known what the chances and conditions for mutators being picked are?

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when the missions refresh

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Remember seeing something about it in a file

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:32 PM

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if you can dig something up I will add it to the wiki

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 2:33 PM

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It was something about how many mutators to spawn

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:35 PM

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i was specifically wondering if the warnings/anomalies are all equally common
and/or
if there are restrictions that can prevent them from appearing in certain biomes/mission types

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Think there is only one

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Haunted not on Salvage

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:44 PM

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thanks, included

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i will be expanding the text for the mutators a bit over the day

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& adding some links etc

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how much more common are minerals in mineral mania?

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 2:52 PM

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so, now that you guys are here, what is exactly the point of the description column for anomalies and warnings ? We have to decide to keep the consistency

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:53 PM

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you will have to elaborate on that

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i am not opposed to moving the mutators to their own, more in-depth page if that is what you mean.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 2:54 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Missions#Warnings

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Oh, you mean the header?

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i'll get rid of that, no problem

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 2:55 PM

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not header

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the text itself

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as I said eariler, it mixes description with tips on how to deal with it

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the only thing that makes sense for me is either A-copy it from the game or B- create an explanation that includes the variables / values , or a third option

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 2:57 PM

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i don't think literally copying everything from the game is the point of a wiki

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anyhow, we can use the game's short descriptions on the missions page

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then link to the main page for mutators, where tips and descriptions can be explored in more depth

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because i do agree with you that it mixes tips and descriptions

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and now that i'm working on it -- i keep finding out more about the mechanics of the mutators which means they should be moved to their own spot to keep the Missions page from derailment

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same for the random encounters, but i will have to think on how to organize that a bit more

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 3:00 PM

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good good

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 3:01 PM

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there's something bothering me about the "main article" links under the mission type headers btw

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why is there so much space under that

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i tried to change it but it doesn't seem to work

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i think that alone would go a long long way to tidying up the Resources and Missions pages

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so we agree then:

mutators to be cut down to ingame description on mission page and contain a link to their own article?
new article that will initially consist of the current longer descriptions
**which are to be expanded and segmented into a consistent format

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(meaning separation of descriptions, tips, variables and mechanics for each item)

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Seems sensible to me, considering that the actual Mission Types on the Missions page (egg hunt etc) are shorter than the Mutators section right now.

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(i am volunteering for all of the above btw considering i have been on a roll today)

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I couldn’t find when the switch occured for the 6% on all difficulty for rare encounter vs 3% on haz1/6% on haz2+

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I will try to check the crassus requirements.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 3:08 PM

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thanks! you are wizards to me

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unreal wizards 😄

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I just got a crassus on hazard 1 though (spawn chances modded to 100%) so it doesn’t seem to be limited to haz2+

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 3:13 PM

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even if you have not completed the Conquer Hoxxes quest?

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 3:13 PM

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It was with all quest completed

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 3:14 PM

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from what i understood that quest prevents it from spawning on haz1 ordinarily

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 3:14 PM

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There may be a mod conflicting with it, I will try it with as little changes as possible.

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Well the crassus is still there on exp on haz1 with only 1 value changed (the spawn chance) and nothing else.

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Checking the mission requirements now.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 3:20 PM

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@glacial valve what do you think about using 2 columns, 1 is the in game description "description" and the other explains the values / changes "effects"

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Ok no spawn on the first mission so there is some kind of requirements indeed.

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 3:23 PM

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yes. And then under that I'd have some regular text for tips

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potentially just 2 columns of bullet points under the table item

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@glacial topaz i mean in the new article

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and it would be good to have the short values/changes lists on the main page for missions, if you mean that.
icon, name, short in-game description, values/effects

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should not take up much space with shortened descriptions

weary sonnet Aug 24, 2020, 3:39 PM

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The requirements for Crassus:
Complete the assignement Conquer Hoxxes IV
Then you can find it in any difficulty, including hazard 1

glacial valve Aug 24, 2020, 3:40 PM

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okay, cool. i appreciate your research!

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added to missions page

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 4:42 PM

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isn't it Hazard Bonus ?

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bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Yes.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 5:45 PM

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-_- How many times do I have to reset missions until I get Menaces
got it finally

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 6:39 PM

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so after all "it burns!" is not per second, but per hit ?

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 6:53 PM

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yes, i just confirmed that

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each particle fired applies its own 0.13 Fear Factor to every enemy it passes through

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it is not tied to an enemy being damaged for a full second by the direct stream

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 6:58 PM

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bug report ?

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 6:59 PM

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i don't think that it's a bug

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i think the mod description (and by extension common knowledge) is incorrect

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 7:00 PM

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the description is a bug

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:00 PM

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🙄 well when you put it that way, sure

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i think of bugs as "code interactions not working as intended"

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rather than textual inaccuracies

shell frigate Aug 24, 2020, 7:02 PM

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For Computing it just means a problem that needs fixing

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 7:02 PM

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~~it goes on #bug-discussion regardless, just don't forget to point it out in there~~

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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ngl i kind of forgot bug-discussion was on this server -- i only use this channel 😆

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and i've been submitting my bug reports in jira

bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Hey, Meat, any idea if BC gets bonus damage from weakspot hits that don't require an upgrade to make use of?

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I'm pretty sure it does, but I figured you might know.

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 7:34 PM

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can we get on the todo list info on resource spawning / quantity mined ?

bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I think mineral mania just gives more ore while keeping the same amount of veins.

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Because I have had a lot of mineral manias with like 2 veins in the whole map.

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:47 PM

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@bold plover are you referring to Praetorian and Oppressor abdomens being listed as Weakpoints but only having a x1 multiplier? i don't know if BC has a hidden WP multiplier that would affect that, sorry. i'll go do a couple tests and try to figure it out, but intuitively i would expect that BC is just flat damage like the Minigun

glacial topaz Aug 24, 2020, 7:48 PM

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just use critical weakness ?

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:48 PM

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i know Crit Weakness increases BC damage for sure

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but that's not the question

austere fossil Aug 24, 2020, 7:48 PM

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yes it is

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"Does the BC hitting a bulk's weakpoint blobs get bonus damage"

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That is the question

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:49 PM

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i thought the question was "Does BC have a bonus WP multiplier like GK2, M1k, or Revolver"

austere fossil Aug 24, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Does it work like flamer or projectile

bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Just wanted to know if it gets bonus damage from hitting wardens bulbs and such.

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:49 PM

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it does

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the Electic Damage per Tick benefits from weakpoints, the Fire Damage on impact doesn't

bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 7:50 PM

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So triple line should effectively make it always hit weakspots if you aim correctly.

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:50 PM

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it would greatly increase the odds, yes

bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I wasn't able to tell exactly how it works though for wardens.

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When I hit the bulb and the beam was in center mass then all of it would benefit from the bonus damage, if I hit only the bulb with the beam I got almost the same result.

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So I guess it makes that priority over body shot in that region. Makes sense since it is the same projectile.

floral drift Aug 24, 2020, 7:55 PM

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from my observations in testing, it appears that a single line from BC can only damage the same enemy once per tick, and it gives precedence to weakpoint hitboxes for the damage

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Bulks are an easy example -- when hitting a bulb for x3 damage, it doesn't also add on the x1 damage from hitting the body nearby

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i don't know that for a fact, and it would need a dev to show us the inner code to prove it

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but that's my working theory about BC and weakpoints

bold plover Aug 24, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Nice, so same results then from testing.

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BC no longer benefits from hitting multiple limbs at the same time then.