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sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:07 AM

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Bullets don't discriminate

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:07 AM

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frost can get reduced or increased

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kinetic can't

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:08 AM

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Aye getting behind it now thank you

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:08 AM

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but kinetic doesn't mean that it gets another x3 or smth

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it's just common damage type

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:09 AM

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Then this isn't 100% correct; it becomes +200% kinetic (relative to initial base, before being modified by the OC at all)

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yeah, my bad on that x3 multiplier thing; I assumed that the overclock didn't have so many exceptions coded into it

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:09 AM

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it becomes +100% damage as Kinetic element, and since it's written after the first bonus it's correct

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:10 AM

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Thats not how most people are going to read it, though

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:10 AM

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i think he means x2 as the base bonus to get it to 18

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:10 AM

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They're going to see "oh, its +100, +100 again if I hit frozen, for a total of +200"

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Which isn't true

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But a multiplier is also misleading here

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Since it doesn't multiply the frost damage; it adds a new (kinetic) component

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:12 AM

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It doubles the base dmg.

When hitting a frozen state, it adds the new base dmg as kinetic bonus tick.

How i'd phrase it

neither the cryo pellet gets any frozen multiplyer nor the kinetic

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Yeah

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One sec

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Something like this; makes it clearer it isn't a flat damage multiplier (like the original did), but that its a new damage type being added that is +200% base

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For a total of +300% base (of different types) against frozen targets

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:13 AM

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but +200% Kinetic Damage is + 0 damage

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since there's no kinetic damage initially

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:13 AM

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"+ weapon damage as kinetic vs frozen "

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:13 AM

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Fair point

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:13 AM

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It's either 12 or 18

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:14 AM

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dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:14 AM

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Man spending time with tooltips = the true gameplay

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:14 AM

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"to"

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 AM

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To keep it in line with how it was originally, yes

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trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 AM

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it's not like they get it automatically

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 AM

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^ that is how it is on the wiki now

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 AM

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that is how in the game probably

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 AM

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Oh, actually, better idea

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trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:16 AM

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my version now I see

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:17 AM

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i would remove all % mentions

Doubles the base damage

Adds weapon damage as kinetic bonus ticks vs frozen targets

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:17 AM

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Yes, I suppose so

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:18 AM

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It's actually shown as one tick with damage text mod

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since it happens at the same time and the damage component is the same as well

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:18 AM

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Yeah; I don't think the wiki needs to make that particularly clear, though

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Since thats only going to be seen via mod

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:18 AM

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same tickrate?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:19 AM

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just the same damage component

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:19 AM

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From an average player's perspective, they just need to know the new "added" damage is not resisted the same as the "base" damage against frozen targets

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Well the important info is that it's flat wep dmg. Unmodyfied and nonelemental

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Tooltips sure are an artform

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:20 AM

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Changes are pushed, thanks Sentro

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:21 AM

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It actually works on all vents and eyes, because it checks only the state of a creature

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same with BoM

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 AM

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BoM checks against state and status, though, correct?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 AM

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sure

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 AM

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Since it can benefit from elements in both

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 AM

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not like it stacks

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 AM

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True, just wanted to make sure statuses weren't transcending to be reflected in the state somehow

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Which could have implications in some edge cases

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 AM

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states may use statuses naturally

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like fire damage is status effect

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freeze visual effects is also status effect

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:23 AM

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Yeah, I just mean in the context of, say Pheromones and the like

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:23 AM

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but state is what triggers that status effect

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:23 AM

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trail gust but state is what triggers that status effect

You're reffering to just the freeze visual "status" here, correct?

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Not all statuses period

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:24 AM

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sure, STE_Freeze

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 AM

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Oi me again, long time no see.

Can't seem to find info on the tick intervall of Cold Radiance

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 AM

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1 per sec

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60 cold

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 AM

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^

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Slightly less than doubles your freeze rate on its own if you're hugging the target

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 AM

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aight that sums up. almost doubles the freezing power then

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aye

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:27 AM

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Turns out thats not on the wiki; time to add it

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nvm, it is, just in a weird spot

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^ how it is on the wiki, easy to glance over, but I can't think of how to format it better right now

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@trail gust, if you're here; is Fear a state, or a status internally?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 AM

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state

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 AM

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Thank ya

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:35 AM

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Cold Radiance radius is 4 m, no fall-off

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:35 AM

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There is a thing for the scout plasma primary. Same dmg but it's split into direct& splash

the splash would not get frozen modyfier, crippling it's potential there ?

Same with sludge pump all counting as aoe huh?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:35 AM

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sure

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though sludge pump gets amplified by blisters iirc

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:36 AM

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They had to retro-active add that in a later patch though

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:36 AM

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ah okay

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:36 AM

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Because, by default, blisters just relied on the same checks as frozen (roughly, blisters are weird)

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At one point they didn't check at all, making certain attacks nutty, but thats old news

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:37 AM

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Sludge puddles tick into blisters?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:37 AM

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just projectiles

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:38 AM

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Yeah; it was changed so that all of Drillers primaries could synergize with them

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As the flame and cryo particles can hit both the blister and target, effectively doubling their damage

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(I'm using "particles" here as generalization, I don't know how it actually checks whether one of the "shots" hits or not at range)

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:43 AM

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I guess frost storm hits don't get a kinetic mirror from blisters huh

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:43 AM

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iirc blisters don't have temperature component so it shouldn't

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:43 AM

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I don't actually know; I know they patched it so the blisters technically copy the frozen state now for the purposes of damage propagation

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Its just whether thats accounted for by the OC or not

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Specifically, the blisters "act" as a 3x/2.5x damage weak-point if they are attached to something that is frozen

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:46 AM

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Frosto ticks onto blisters nor blisters onto the frozen host should procc kinetic mirrors though huh

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:46 AM

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x3 with gk2 on frozen blister

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it just copies multiplier iirc

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:46 AM

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Hmm

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 9:46 AM

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The minimum temperature reachable for a creature is always equal to its freeze temperature.
The value is set per creature.
(don’t think that was answered clearly, but I may have missed it)

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:47 AM

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Oh, my bad, thank you for correcting me there

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It works differently from heat, then

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As you can "overheat" a creature somewhat

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:47 AM

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Okay cheers for diving in

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 9:47 AM

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For heat, the maximum reachable temperature is always 100°, affected by the temperature change scale.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:47 AM

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The cap, but not the ignition temp

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iirc

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 9:48 AM

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Yeah i noticed that 4 cryo grenades have grunts break free around the same speed as a minimum of cryo bolt action

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 9:48 AM

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The ignition temperature can be anything, if it is higher than that, the creature can’t be ignited.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 9:48 AM

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btw

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sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:48 AM

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What page?

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 9:48 AM

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I will fix that.

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Header fixed, it was on the template:Creature Table page.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:01 AM

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Interesting fact: if you direct you Cryo Cannon at vents from below - then it will do minus 4 degrees per tick
but if you do it while standing on the top - it will do minus 8 degrees per tick
then AoE sources like Cold Radiance and Cryo Grenade reach both damage recipients in one vent, so that's why with 0.5 temp change scale one cryo grenade is able to do 250 cold to 8 damage recipients at once, while there's only 4 vents, resulting in 2k received Cold in total, which is freeze temperature

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:01 AM

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Very strange

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Do the "eyes" function similarly?

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Or is that a vent-unique quirk

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:02 AM

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you can kinda shoot eyes only from one direction but sure I can check

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:03 AM

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If you're already up there for the vents, might as well stay up there and play "the floor is electricity" if it benefits you to do so

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:04 AM

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ok it's 4 Cold from direct stream per tick but it gets 60 Cold from Radiance per tick

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:04 AM

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Interesting

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Quick tangent; does anyone know who confirmed that a Brood Nexus can be feared?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:06 AM

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that's Ely probably

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:06 AM

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Alrighty

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:06 AM

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That wasn’t me.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:06 AM

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Damn

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:07 AM

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afaik all stationnable enemies or enemies with custom movement can’t be feared.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:07 AM

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For the most part, yes

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Some can when they're not in that custom movement state, but otherwise are effectively immune to fear

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Namely, Goo Bombers

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:08 AM

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If fear somewhat work on brood nexus, I need to update the wiki btw.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:08 AM

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It is on the wiki; thats why I asked lol

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In fact its one of the first things mentioned about fear

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:09 AM

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Their entry in the database I mean, if it is in the fear page, it may be MeatShield then.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:09 AM

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Also, far as I can tell, Swarmers are completely immune to fear, and don't even bother with fear checks

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Or rather, they aren't feared by fear effects that bypass normal fear checks

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Except gunner shield, for some reason

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Field Medic doesn't spook them off like it does for literally every other enemy

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I imagine this is also the case for See You In Hell, but for obvious reasons that doesn't really matter

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:11 AM

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If you confirm that swarmers are imnmune to fear, they need to be updated in cargo too then, so far they are marked as non immune to fear.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:12 AM

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They aren't immune to "classic" fear is the thing

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For example, Suppressive fire works just fine on them (if they survive)

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Its only fear effects which bypass normal fear checks (allowing them to fear otherwise fear immune enemies)

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I'm going into Sandbox to test in a more controlled environment now

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:13 AM

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Could still be worth mentioning as a hoverover.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:13 AM

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This is just my understanding from using Field Medic all the time and seeing what it scares or not

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And gunner shield

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:13 AM

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Let me know what you figure out, I will update the cargo db based on your findings.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Sounds good

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:14 AM

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I can tell that for Nexus:

CanFlee = true
IsFleeing becomes true when applied fear

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:14 AM

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Ok; I wanted to know, because in that case, they're the perfect test for the current "fear expires if the enemy moves 10m away" theory

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Rather than expiring by duration

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:14 AM

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But for the nexus from what I can see, it can’t run away and it won’t stop spawning glyphid spawns anyway right?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:14 AM

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yeah it doesn't seem to go off once set to true

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:15 AM

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Yeah, it still spawns; I use Neurotox with Suppressive fire all the time on them, doesn't stop them from spamming swarmers

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:16 AM

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ye it still spawns

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:17 AM

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Well they leaked the Easter event, cool

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So I gave swarmers 100x health to test basic fear response

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:23 AM

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Updated the brood nexus fear on cargo.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:24 AM

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They do respond to normal fear effects

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As tested by supressive fire

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But interestingly, they behave differently with the shield than normal enemies

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:26 AM

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there was also property "fleeinsteadofbackingoff", it's probably for them

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:26 AM

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That makes sense

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One sec, I'll record it

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 10:26 AM

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Does this extend to other swarmer types? Variants and spawn, hatchling, shockers, shreeders?

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Theses inherit a lot of the swarmers base rules.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:28 AM

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Going to test in a bit

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Just want to show it on the common variants, one moment

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You can see they all respond just fine to normal fear from the Suppressive Fire mod

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But with the shield, the common enemies back away, then pathfind as if the dwarf is not accessible, except the swarmers

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Which keep trying to get in

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I can't test with Field Medic (which has a super-fear) at the moment, as I don't have some to ~~kill~~ help me at the moment

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I can try with See You In Hell quickly though

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Needs to be paired with Iron will, forgot

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One sec, reseting the test

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Swarmers respond appropriately to the fear in that case

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So I think its a triggering issue with Field Medic, rather than swarmers not being feared

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:34 AM

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hmm when you stand in one place and a bug attacks you - fear doesn't make bug run away

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:34 AM

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What do you mean?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:35 AM

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stand in one place with swarmer biting you and try to scare it off

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:35 AM

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Ok, in a moment

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:35 AM

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I could see it shook a little but 0.5 s later it attacks again

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Yeah it works, at least with the weapons

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Same with shield

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:36 AM

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fleeinsteadofbacking off is false for spawns tho

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Strange

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One sec, recording a demo of the fear effect of See You In hell

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Spawns as in swarmers, or spawns as in spawns from a Nexus?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:38 AM

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2nd

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:38 AM

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Will try that in a moment, then. Very interesting

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:39 AM

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it's just that this property is for smth else

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they still flee instead of backing off

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but it's true for jelly spawn and for the shocker

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:44 AM

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About to test, just compiling the weird jank re: See You In Hell

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So, two weird things here; Swarmers seem to be able to get "stuck" in a shield if its place on top of them

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Second, See You In Hell seems to leave a lingering "fear field" on top of its instant (and fear-check-bypassing) effect

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I could still hear and see enemies getting spooked after the initial effect while I was in iron will

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Going to test your weird swarmer and jelly exceptions now

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:49 AM

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swarmers don't have fleesound btw

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:49 AM

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yeah, I knew that; just not really a mechanical different worth testing tbh

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Though a list of fear-able enemies with and without them would be worth looking into

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:51 AM

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sterile crescent Second, See You In Hell seems to leave a lingering "fear field" on top of its in...

ye I see there's literally fearsphere that acts on collision overlap

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:52 AM

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Interesting

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What a name

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Worth noting that in the perk description after we finish testing

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 10:53 AM

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sphereradius is 2.5m

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:55 AM

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Thank ya

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Compiling demo now

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They don't seem to have any different fear effect

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Though the jellies do have the "wandering" behaviour like the bigger glyphids with shields, unlike the other swarmer variants

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 11:02 AM

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also true for mactera spawn

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:02 AM

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Testing now

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 11:02 AM

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mb that's just flying enemies

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:02 AM

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Based on in-game experience, I don't think it changes much between them tho

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Testing now to be sure

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Mactera Bombers

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Interestingly, they don't appear to need to travel nearly as far as most other enemies before recovering

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(I threw in the unused explosive bomber unit for fun, its not in game proper yet)

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Mactera is more of the same

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Demonstration:

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I'm going to test rivals now, because I know at least one of them does get feared

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For some reason

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So, Shredders can be feared, but patrol bots cannot***

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If the latter can, it doesn't seem to act like the others

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Instead, if it can be feared, it seems to do so in a way that just has it try and roll away from you when in ball form (but still shoot you)

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Given they ignore shields, though, I don't think its likely

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I want to get a better test for SYIH before I say they're immune to that, though

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Since getting them to be near the initial explosion at time it right is pain

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 11:38 AM

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Hum, when I tested them, quite à while ago I marked the patrol bot as non immune to stun, I do remember they were a pain to test though.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:38 AM

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@trail gust if you're still on; do you know the fear strength of the field in SYIN?

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 11:39 AM

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1000%

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:39 AM

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Thats the initial explosion; is it the same for the lingering field after?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 11:39 AM

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haven't checked

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 11:39 AM

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No idea for the lingering field.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:40 AM

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Yeah, just wanted to know before adding fear details to the field on the perk's page

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 11:41 AM

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So far only have patrol bot to change for the fear or did you reach a conclusion for the swarmers? From what I see it wasn’t clear.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:41 AM

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The swarmers are susceptible to both forms of fear

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Shredders*

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Patrol bots appear to be immune, though that might change when I test SYIH again

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Its just 5 am here, and I'm slowly falling asleep

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 11:43 AM

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Want to add some details as hoverover for the swarmers or just leave it a non immune?

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:44 AM

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Non-immune for now IMO; they seem to behave for the most part, just seem to have some jank associated with shields and Field Medic

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I suspect the latter is less jank and more "it only triggers if a medium or larger enemy is nearby"

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Since Steeve can proc it, for whatever reason

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(He gets spooped if he's nearby when you revive someone with Field Medic, to be clear)

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 11:57 AM

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trail gust haven't checked

probably no value, it just scares them off

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look for yourself

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https://raw.githubusercontent.com/trumank/drg-control-flow-graphs/master/cfgs/FSD/Content/GameElements/KPI/Perks/BP_SeeYouInHellField.svg

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there's no fear factor specified in the field object

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:58 AM

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So its another "bypasses normal fear checks" thing then?

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What do the red, hollow point arrows represent?

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Are they all "IF NOT" statements, or just the ones explicitly labelled as such?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:01 PM

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just a guess

Red arrows are used when target and/or destination lies outside of the function boundaries

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:01 PM

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I see

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Let me test it rq

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:02 PM

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I don't really know much what is what exactly, so don't take my words as facts

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:02 PM

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yeah, fair

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Its pretty simple to test at least

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It is

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If a bulk gets scared by it, and walks back into it after, it gets spooked off again

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I'll get video proof up in a moment

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Based on that, it means Rival Patrol Bots are completely immune to fear, even fear which normally bypasses fear checks

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:19 PM

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he has canflee false

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 12:20 PM

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Cargo data updated for the patrol bot.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:21 PM

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trail gust he has canflee false

The detonator does, or the Patrol Bot?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:22 PM

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patrol bot

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:22 PM

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Fair enough

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If you know where the data for it is, can you see if thats the same for BET-C or not?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:25 PM

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canflee is true

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:25 PM

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Interesting

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One moment

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:26 PM

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IsFleeing becomes true upon scaring

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:26 PM

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Makes sense

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Dumb question, how does one make the text which tracks those kinds of states appear exactly?

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 12:26 PM

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Should be the full list, assuming true is default.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:27 PM

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What exactly is a "Friendly Parasite"?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:27 PM

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once set to true, doesn't seem to get off, I see no changes in behaviour either

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 12:27 PM

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It is in the friendly shredders grenade folder, not sure.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:27 PM

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Ah, interesting

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I wonder if they were testing a bioweapon grenade at some point?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:28 PM

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sterile crescent What exactly is a "Friendly Parasite"?

not used

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:29 PM

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Makes sense

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:31 PM

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you can stun bet-c, if you didn't know

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:31 PM

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I did not; how does that even work?

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Also, seems trying to spawn in BET-C in sandbox breaks her AI

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:31 PM

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https://youtu.be/cTc-T3FQZY8

YouTube

SplitSentro

How to stun BET-C [S01.H12]

Stun options are:

Disruptive Frequency Tuning for Breach Cutter — 3 seconds or 2 Precision Bursts.
Concussive Blast for Satchel Charge — 5 seconds or 3 Precision Bursts.

▶ Play video

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:32 PM

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Interesting

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So thats her 'stationary' attack

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Even if its not of her own choice

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:33 PM

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sterile crescent Also, seems trying to spawn in BET-C in sandbox breaks her AI

type infectedmule in creative mode spawner

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:33 PM

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Thank you

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The creative menu seems to flat out not work for me

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:37 PM

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you need to enter free cam

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then press fire

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after choosing spawn actor ofc

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:38 PM

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Yeah, makes sense

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Thanks

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I did spawn it, it seems to not care about fear, even from a SYIH right next to it

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:39 PM

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there's no logic for it then

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:39 PM

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Granted, it was in its "bubbled" state, so maybe it was in one of the "special" movement states

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:40 PM

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there's a way to display movement states, idk if it's useful

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:41 PM

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Can't hurt to try

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:41 PM

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in DRGLib in overlays you can add watcher from Sandbox Utilities called Marked.Path

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Ok; and how do you mark an entity? Just ping it like normal?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:43 PM

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sure

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you can try pinging both parasite and bet-c

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works well on other enemies tho

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:45 PM

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Does not seem to overlay anything on pinging either

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:45 PM

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you can find overlay activation button in drglib -> inputs section

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and you can re-assign it as well

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:45 PM

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Ah, thanks

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Yeah

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Got it

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Absolutely 0 change when a fear effect should occur

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For any of the variables

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Its movement state is still just "moving"

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:47 PM

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it should be moving when fleeing

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just the destination is different

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:48 PM

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Fair; will see in a sec

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:48 PM

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you can try on other enemies first

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:48 PM

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Also I caught it this time while it was shooting, still didn't work

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Fair, one sec

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:48 PM

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bet-c is immune to fear, there's no doubt at this point

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:49 PM

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Mhmmm, ok

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So, the base and last dest values freeze when an enemy is feared

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One sec, I'll record a demo

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Makes sense, given fear gives it a new (set) destination it has to reach

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:51 PM

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can you re-apply fear while it's fleeing?

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:51 PM

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Will try now

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OH

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So, while testing that, I think we found a bug/fear "resilience" effect

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:52 PM

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wdym

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:54 PM

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It seems to be a bug; basically, if you fear something to much rapidly, it just stops acknowledging new fear destinations

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I didn't catch that on recording tho :|

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I did show that you can't re-fear a target already running from a prior fear, though

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See here:

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It will make the feared noise again despite this, though

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Another noteworthy addition to the wiki, for sure

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:56 PM

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you might also notice that it flees away from fear source

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:56 PM

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yeah, thats already been established

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On the wiki's page for Fear, anyways

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:57 PM

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there's just lots of bad opinions about sticky nade, while all you have to do is to stick it on the front

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:57 PM

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Yep

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Also, confirmed BET-C doesn't really care about fear, at least in any meaningful way

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She will stand up in the middle of the field, and still walk around as if on her normal "patrol"

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 12:59 PM

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that's useful

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 12:59 PM

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It doesn't force her to stand up though

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 1:00 PM

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you kinda want it to sit

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 1:00 PM

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She continues with whatever she's doing, and if she happens to stand up and enter the field, she don't care

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One sec, let me format the demo

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My (speculative) opinion is that all of her movements are considered special movement states

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So fear can never get "in" to change her movement

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 1:05 PM

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robots don't know what fear is nice

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 1:05 PM

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Except shredders, for some reason

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The most disposable, suicidal drones of the Rival fleet

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Were programmed to experience fear

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I wonder; given Steeve can be feared by fear-check bypassing fears, can the Engie's shredders?

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Yes

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Yes they can

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One sec, formatting a demo now

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dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 3:05 PM

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Ministevs

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:10 PM

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wow. that was a massive conversation to happen overnight...

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lots of misinformation, most of it was corrected eventually

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it's important to note:

like Elyth said, every creature's Minimum Temperature is also their Freeze Temperature. the reason why people perceive it as being able to go lower is because after an enemy is Frozen, it instantly starts warming. as long as you keep putting more sustained Cold/sec into it while it's warming, you can prolong the Frozen status effect. Bulks and Dreads are an exception due to their very high warming rate, but Praetorians are a a great example for long-freezing.
Temperature Change Scale makes it complicated to discuss weapons' cold/sec and heat/sec relative to enemies' base values; that's why the Wiki team has adopted using the "effective temperature" aka eTemp values. it simplifies how to refer to things.
Cryo Cannon doesn't do AoE damage, technically. its DamageComponent just uses regular Damage (not RadialDamage) but it has various DamageFlags toggled. [BenefitsFromWeakpoint=false, CanDamageArmor=false, IsReducedByArmor=false, BenefitsFromFrozen=false]. because of those settings, it functions very similarly to RadialDamage but it isn't actually under the hood. that's relevant for things like Hiveguard's RadialResistance.
Ice Storm is way simpler to describe than what SomeoneInParticular and SplitSentro were going on about. It has two effects on the damage: 1) it multiplies the base Frost-element Damage per Particle by x2; and 2) if the particle damages an enemy that is State:Frozen, then it deals damage equal to the Damage per Particle (which has already been doubled) as Kinetic-element instead of Frost-element.

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so in summary, vs a Brood Nexus or Praetorian that dont have any resistances (aside from DMG_Piercing), Ice Storm would start at 2x damage, then freeze it, then raise to 4x damage per particle in comparison to not having the OC equipped.

the bonus Kinetic-element damage does not benefit from the Frozen state, either, therefore it's 4x, not (2x + 2x*3x) = 8x. similarly it doesn't have to care about Dreadnoughts having different Frozen damage multipliers than 3x.

that conversation went way further into the weeds than was necessary.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:27 PM

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floral drift it's important to note: - like Elyth said, every creature's Minimum Temperature ...

What is Hiveguard's RadialResistance?

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:27 PM

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the protrusions in Phase 2. last i heard they resist Radial-type damage

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yellow healthbars

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https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Glyphid_Dreadnought_Hiveguard#Protrusions

50% Radial-type resist

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:29 PM

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ty, good to know

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btw does that mean that ice storm doesn't get affected by radialreasistance that blisters have?

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the one that's called RadialSocketDamageMultiplier with 0.1 value

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:34 PM

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if my current understanding is correct, then yes i believe that Ice Storm would do full damage vs Blisters. i think that should be a easy thing to test; just apply the blister, Cold Radiance to freeze it, then spray at the blister. see if it is a big number, or 1/10th of a big number

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:35 PM

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iirc blisters still keep 0.2 dmg res stat, so it won't be full dmg

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:36 PM

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are you referring to CWC OC Blistering Necrosis blisters, or RockPox plague blisters?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:36 PM

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2nd

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:36 PM

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oh. i misunderstood the question, sorry.

yes, i still think that it would only take the x0.2, not x0.1. but my statement about "just apply the blister" was referring to the CWC, sorry

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:37 PM

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afaik blisters do inherit the base grunt resistance

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:37 PM

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didn't LazyMaybe's video show that only one of the RockPox Glyphids have the radial resistance? i'd have to rewatch it

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:38 PM

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ye he showed it's only grunt

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:38 PM

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Grunt blisters have radial res, preats don’t.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:38 PM

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but both have dmg res from the STE

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:38 PM

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Yes, for the global dmg res, the same than the one elite enemies use.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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wait, but why it goes off just from 1 dmg tick of base cryo

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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so, going back to the original question: i would expect that Frozen RockPox Grunt Blisters would take x0.2 * x4 = x0.8 base damage per particle from Ice Storm, relative to not having Ice Storm equipped. so if 6 damage was quadrupled vs Frozen to 24, then i would expect the frozen blister to take 6 * 0.8 = 4.8 damage before accounting for Difficulty Scaling, because Ice Storm wouldn't interact with the Radial resistance

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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trail gust wait, but why it goes off just from 1 dmg tick of base cryo

clarify. what goes off

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Like 6 frost dmg in one tick kill a blister

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from grunt

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at 1.0 environmental dmg res

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:42 PM

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even without Ice Storm?

...do blisters DieIfFrozen?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:43 PM

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blisters don't have their own temp component how could they

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:43 PM

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fair point.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:43 PM

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and grunt doesn't get frozen

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well, that's getting random, so 2 oneticks in a row were just an occurence

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:46 PM

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their base hp is 5. have we confirmed that the x0.2 damage is applied to the blister's hp, or only to the damage transferred from the blister to the Grunt?

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another way to phrase the question: does blister have eHP of 25?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:46 PM

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sometimes they die, sometimes they don't

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:49 PM

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Grunt blisters act as ×2 weakpoint, have 5 base HP and I think they have the ×0.2 damage res applied, not sure about that last part, would need to double check.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:49 PM

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5 damage gk2 either oneshots blisters or 2shots

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:50 PM

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maybe tied to the "mirrored armor plate" bug that Evan has been tracking?

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since RockPox blisters are ArmorHealth under the hood

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:51 PM

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their hp shouldn’t be scaling from what I know so it should be consistent other than the armor plate bug

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:51 PM

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well... normal ArmorHealth plates aren't supposed to scale with Difficulty Scaling either. but they do anyway :\

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:52 PM

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you have a point

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:52 PM

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just now I killed 3 grunts in a row with consistent 5-shot blister kills, where 1 shot is modified to be 1 dmg

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:52 PM

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oh, you know what i bet it is? one of the oldest bugs i ever reported to GSG back on Jira

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there's a sweet spot with [Damage * Armor Breaking] where the Armor Damage dealt is greater than the base value of the ArmorHealth but less than the ArmorHealth's eHP

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if you can damage an ArmorHealth plate in that sweet spot, the plate won't break but it will pass the Direct Damage through as if the plate were broken

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i wonder if the x0.2 and x1.2 modifiers to the RockPox blisters are putting 5 and 6 damage right in that sweet spot

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however the messy math works out

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it would explain why five shots of 1 is consistent, but one shot of 5 is inconsistent

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:55 PM

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That 5hp indeed scales with SmallEnemyDamageResistance, and gk2 can stun via blister hits like via weak points

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:55 PM

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potentially same cause, but different effect

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 3:56 PM

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When grunt shakes after a hit, you need to wait for animation to play, otherwise it won't be blister hit somehow

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I got from 10 to 13 required hits cause of that

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but when I wait, it's solid 10

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though on my screen it looks like I hit blisters every time

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:57 PM

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Well updating the scaling on theses blisters then.

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 3:59 PM

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trail gust but when I wait, it's solid 10

solid 10 hits of how much damage, on how many blisters?

weary sonnet Feb 1, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Changed the scaling from none to common scaling on blisters for praet and grunt on cargo.

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 4:01 PM

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floral drift solid 10 hits of how much damage, on how many blisters?

with 2.0 scaling

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1 damage each

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rn with 5 dmg I killed 2-digit amount of grunts and it's now smh consistent - with 1.0 scaling currently

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 4:04 PM

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So, the inconsistency earlier was caused by hitbox wiggles?

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 4:05 PM

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I don't think so, it was first attempts

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right after spawning an enemy

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2 times it was a blister on the left leg, 1 time it was a blister on the left side (when facing a grunt)

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praetorian's blisters are the same for gk2 damage

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same scaling as well (common one, not praets one)

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and just now it took 12 cryo cannon ticks to deal with 5 dmg blister

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every tick was modified to be 1 dmg

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 4:20 PM

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i don't think Cryo Cannon is a good weapon to do these tests with. it has a few problems for this kind of "breakpoint finding":

it has large hitboxes for its particles which might be hitting other parts of the enemy instead of the blister
both CC and Flamethrower need to keep firing until the 1st particle reaches. if the test is done from a distance, the ammo consumption might be higher than the actual number of damage ticks dealt
the recoil from CC in particular jostles it around a fair amount, mitigating consistent tests

i'd vote find the breakpoints using various hitscan weapons, and then use the knowledge of that breakpoint to test CC's damage. the whole reason we're even dealing with RockPox blisters in the first place is to test whether or not CC gets affected by RadialResistance (the expected answer is no)

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 4:21 PM

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it has large hitboxes for its particles which might be hitting other parts of the enemy instead of the blister
I confirm that, it's really a matter of some specific angle that "works"

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however, looking at blister's hp value I also confirm that cryo cannon does full damage to blister (if it can hit it which is big IF)

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 4:22 PM

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so, that is evidence in support of "Cryo Cannon does not do RadialDamage" hypothesis 👍

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 4:22 PM

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both CC and Flamethrower need to keep firing until the 1st particle reaches. if the test is done from a distance, the ammo consumption might be higher than the actual number of damage ticks dealt
dmg text mod tells me when tick is registered

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 4:23 PM

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ah, right, DamageText mod. 🤦‍♂️

i'm out here making tests in 2019 mindset, forgot about the convenient tools we have now. sorry

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 4:23 PM

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the recoil from CC in particular jostles it around a fair amount, mitigating consistent tests
super consistent in x0.1 slow-motion

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you really need to aim perpendicular to blister itself

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with cryo cannon

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or else it will hit smth else

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 4:24 PM

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yeah, that makes sense

trail gust Feb 1, 2023, 4:27 PM

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i'd vote find the breakpoints using various hitscan weapons, and then use the knowledge of that breakpoint to test CC's damage. the whole reason we're even dealing with RockPox blisters in the first place is to test whether or not CC gets affected by RadialResistance (the expected answer is no)
yeah that's exactly what I did - narrowed down hp value w/ 0.1 dmg gk2 shots, then tried Cryo Cannon, then I was able to narrow it down with 0.1 cryo ticks as well

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shard diffractor's aoe damage when hitting grunt:
5 dmg -> 0.1 (2%)
1 dmg -> 0.021 (2.1%)
when hitting a praet with SD's AoE:
5 dmg -> 1
2 dmg -> 0.41
1 dmg -> 0.21
Blisters do inherit that 0.2 dmg res but only for radial damage.

dawn sedge Feb 1, 2023, 7:10 PM

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Imagine coil gun transfering the elite/ steve properties onto a blister swarmer

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:24 PM

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When they combined plasma burn and flying nightmare did they also add aoe heat to normal shots? And did they increase the heat normal shots do? Because I remember needing 3 shots to ignite goo. Whereas now I only need 1 shot + it seems to ignite multiple puddles at the same time.
Maybe I changed my EPC build and just don't remember it...

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 PM

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No, only the new T5 AoE mod does that. Puddles just tend to have slightly overlapping hitboxes, so you can "hit" multiple with a single shot sometimes

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At least, thats my understanding of it

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:26 PM

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And did they increase the heat it does?

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:27 PM

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I don't think so; it scales off of the damage your EPC deals though

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So if you have damage mods and/or are using Heavy Hitter OC, it also deals more heat

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:28 PM

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That's probably the reason, although I don't remember changing my build.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:30 PM

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Yeah, skimming through the patch notes since S03, doesn't appear to be anything relevant to that (aside from Burning Nightmare becoming a thing, anyways)

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:31 PM

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Did plasma burn also do that or is this new?

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:32 PM

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No... I think that may be a bug

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Or something not yet noted about the weapon

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One sec, let me check something

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Yeah, I don't see anything in any of the mods suggesting that the normal shots should hit in an AoE by default. Can you test to see if you can hit more than one target with a single uncharged shot quickly?

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 PM

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ok, hold on

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sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:37 PM

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OK then

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So the heat from flying nightmare gets an AoE effect, for some reason

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Given Plasma Splash exists, I suspect thats a bug, so I don't think its worth adding to the wiki yet

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:38 PM

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I think that's the reason I feel like goo puddles ignite faster with EPC

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 9:39 PM

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Makes sense

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I didn't know the mod was bugged/worked like that; theres no indication it should work like that, tbh

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~~Yet more reason to never take Plasma Splash lol~~

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I would report it to the devs, if you haven't already: if it remains in game after a few patches, we can add it to the wiki then (under the assumption its intended)

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That or if the devs clarify themselves

tame plover Feb 1, 2023, 9:45 PM

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I'll make a pleasefix report

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Made the report https://drg.pleasefix.gg/projects/DEEP-ROCK-GALACTIC/issues/DRG-340

Deep Rock Galactic x PleaseFix

Get more involved in Deep Rock Galactic - Deep Rock Galactic - Burn...

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:06 PM

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Perfect, thank you

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 10:35 PM

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there was a massive discussion and research into this very question (bugs with EPC T5.A "Burning Nightmare") about 3 months ago.

IIRC i think there are five separate bugs with BN?

yes, one of them is that the Flat +5 Heat from normal shots is getting applied to the RadialDamage part of the normal shot, even though T5.C is not equipped.

the effects of that are that it does more Heat than advertised on a direct hit. it can do upwards of 4 hits at once on Sludge Puddles because of the overlapping hitboxes and wonky logic of how it tracks which parts of it are on fire, causing it to ignite instantly. additionally, you can ignite Brood Nexus Spawns and Glyphid Swarmers on fire in a small radius around the impact point (kills the Spawn instantly because 6 Fire-element damage gets applied when the On Fire Status Effect gets started).

interestingly, unlike the PGL T3.A "Incendiary Compound", the BN normal shot Heat value suffers from falloff as the distance from center increases. PGL has the same flat Heat value everywhere inside the damage radius.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:36 PM

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Jank upon jank upon jank

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Thank you for clarifying though; I didn't know this had been discussed prior

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 10:37 PM

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i think it may have been on a private channel in the DCT server, which is why it hasn't propagated as common knowledge. i'd have to look it up

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:38 PM

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Makes sense

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DCT?

austere fossil Feb 1, 2023, 10:41 PM

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DRG Community Tools, mainly for Karl.gg and MeatShield's DPS Calculator but there's a few more.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:41 PM

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Ah, thanks

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 10:52 PM

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spent a while looking it up. discussion happened from Oct 18th-Nov 10th, 2022 (or thereabouts).

Bugs with S03 changes to Burning Nightmare:

Stacking multiple damage conversions can raise the damage to do more than 100% of what's listed on the Equipment Terminal (shared with PGL T3.A + HP, and Breach Cutter Inferno)
Non-Radial Damage that gets converted to Heat does 3x Heat vs Frozen targets, just like it does 3x Damage. (shared with multiple weapons)
Pushing an enemy from Frozen to On Fire does not trigger Temperature Shock (shared with all enemies that can be Frozen, AFAIK)
Normal Shots double-apply the flat +5 Heat on direct hits because of the RadialDamage accidentally applying heat too, turning the formula into 0.25*Direct Damage + 10
Normal Shots apply the flat 5 Heat within 1m around the impact point, falling off to 2.5 Heat at 1.5m

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:53 PM

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Thats a lot of bugs

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swarmer swarmer swarmer

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Do you know if the radial heat scales with damage?

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Or just the direct

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 10:56 PM

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from what i had written 3 months ago (but don't truly remember in the present), my understanding is that the +5 Flat Heat is the only heat being applied by the 0 damage RadialDamage part of the DamageComponent. as such, i expect that adding more damage (such as OC Heavy Hitter) would not increase the invisible "radial heat"

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Very strange

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Not surprised, but interesting nonetheless

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 10:59 PM

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for as long as BN goes unpatched, the bugs provide a lot of niche usecases and conditional strength to the upgrade. the normal shot's "radial heat" is great for Swarmageddon or Swarmer Tunnels, clearing Brood Nexus Spawns after popping the Nexus, or clearing Naedocyte Hatchlings/Shockers. as for the Charged Shot... well, I made this at the time: https://karl.gg/preview/17123#/

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 10:59 PM

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Ah yes, I remember reading this a while ago

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:21 PM

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So, theory about Fear and what actions it can and cannot interupt, if anyone wants to chime in

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Fear seems to work by forcing a target to engage in a "forced" movement state

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And as Fear cannot be inflicted on an already Feared target, my best guess is an entity cannot have queued forced movement states

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As a result, if an enemy is already in a forced movement state (such as a Goo Bomber's Goo Barrage attack) its effectively immune to being feared

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That's my hypothesis anyways

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"forced movement" might be a poor term for it

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More like "forced destination"

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Since both Fear and the Barrage Attack just tell the entity to "go hear" and ignore any other inputs

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BET-C strafing while she's bombing seems to work the same, hence her being functionally immune despite nothing in the files saying so

glacial topaz Feb 1, 2023, 11:27 PM

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so more about having a "destination"
and not about having a "task" assigned to it ?

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:27 PM

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Kind of; non-feared enemies still have destinations usually (namely, you, the dwarf they want to eat)

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But it updates periodically as you move about

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So there seems to be a distinction between that and "forced" destinations

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Or, more likely, its a state that gets set to prevent the entity from updating their destination again

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Until their current destination is reached

glacial topaz Feb 1, 2023, 11:30 PM

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is refinery pipe targetting a forced one too ?
pretty sure they ignored me when going to attack leaks

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:30 PM

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Maybe? I would need to test

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I don't think so, though, since you can fear them "off" the pipe

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Its a good strat to do so, in fact

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Their target is just the pipe, rather than you

glacial topaz Feb 1, 2023, 11:31 PM

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maybe before they reach the pipe

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:31 PM

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If the pipe could (somehow) move, I imagine they would follow it

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I can check in a moment

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Going to be a pain to test now, I realize

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also, I just made some rather substantial edits to Fear; feel free to revise/revert them as you all see fit

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Mostly typos and consistency changes

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And making it clear that courage is what results in fear resistance (rather than them being distinct stats)

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 11:34 PM

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alternate hypothesis that might discount the broken pipeline from being in the same category as Fear & Barrage Attack:

what if the bugs' AI is constantly checking for whichever target near them (within a certain radius) has the highest Attack Priority, and the broken pipeline just has a higher priority than the dwarves? this would include LURE and Pheromones, too.

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:35 PM

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I suspect thats the case, though I'll test to be sure

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Oh, steam finally updated to let you set a default launch option

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Bless

floral drift Feb 1, 2023, 11:36 PM

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beware Steam updates right now. apparently one last night broke Friends & Chat, making it a black screen

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sorry, off-topic of DRG

sterile crescent Feb 1, 2023, 11:37 PM

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Noted; just wanted to mention it

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I'm going to test with Lures first, because they're easier to test with

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Lure is not a forced destination

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Though, interestingly, if the lure expires before the target reaches it, the target will still go to where it was, and attack it once

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Will record a demo, one sec

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Just thinking how to set this up to make it clear

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So, I'm half wrong

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It seems that, if the target of an enemy dissapears, they still path to its last known location, until their next pathing update

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sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 12:07 AM

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So

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I got the test setup working

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Turns out, if theres no links between the refinery and the pumpjack, this happens when the pipes "break"

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Repairing one repairs all that are in that state as well

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And yes, you can fear them if they're bee-lining to a broken part

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Recording a demo now

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So neither LUREs or Pipes being target "force" a destination on the target

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At least in any way that disrupts how Fear does it

cerulean berry Feb 2, 2023, 12:42 AM

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sterile crescent

so this is what they mean when they say "think outside the box" 🤔

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 1:29 AM

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lol, hey, it works

bold plover Feb 2, 2023, 1:55 AM

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They just use attacker positioning components so they behave just like player ones with the exception of lesser available target slots and different spacers so they don't clip into things like Doretta.

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They also have reduced pathfinder costs so they are targeted more often than say a closer player. Additionally they use gameplay tags to limit what type of attacks or creatures can be used against it.

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 1:58 AM

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makes sense

bold plover Feb 2, 2023, 2:01 AM

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So for example pipelines blacklist anything using Shoot as it's attack in the behavior tree so things like Acid Spitters ignore it.

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 2:01 AM

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Interesting

bold plover Feb 2, 2023, 2:05 AM

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Was the short pipeline info not on the wiki?

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Some of us figured it out a long time ago.

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 2:07 AM

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I don't think so; its so rare I had to force it to happen for my test

zealous crystal Feb 2, 2023, 2:08 AM

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not sure if this is the place for it cause i checked the wiki for potential trivia. was doretta's head aways able to be recovered back to the drop pod or was that added later?

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 2:08 AM

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It was added later

zealous crystal Feb 2, 2023, 2:09 AM

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oh, neat! one friend mentioned he wasnt sure if it was always a thing. ill let them know. thanks!

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 2:10 AM

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For what its worth, I think it was added very quickly after the patch that added escort

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So there wasn't a very long time where you couldn't save Doretta

trail gust Feb 2, 2023, 4:45 AM

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@floral drift

Pushing an enemy from Frozen to On Fire does not trigger Temperature Shock (shared with all enemies that can be Frozen, AFAIK)
that was fixed btw

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#1035534000464343060 message

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it now adds one t-shock on such temperature shift

floral drift Feb 2, 2023, 4:56 AM

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ooo, exciting. thanks for letting me know!

weary sonnet Feb 2, 2023, 9:05 AM

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@ Someone_in_Particular for information the extension DataTable2 has been requested (by Cyrob not me).
We should get some news from the wiki.gg staff about it soon, they will look into it.
(I actually didn’t do anything other than letting you know.)

sterile crescent Feb 2, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Oh excellent, thank you very much for mediating that

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And thank you @ Cyrob for completing the request as well

jolly adder Feb 2, 2023, 11:15 AM

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Would anyone happen to know the exact heat % buildup per shot on the Drak-25

weary sonnet Feb 2, 2023, 12:19 PM

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jolly adder Would anyone happen to know the exact heat % buildup per shot on the Drak-25

https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/DRAK-25_Plasma_Carbine#Stats_Breakdown
All the details are there.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 8:52 AM

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Has anyone tested whether temperature damage gets doubled if you shoot through a Necrosis blister yet?

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 8:56 AM

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I can test that, but I really don't think that Necrosis can handle temperature transfer

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:03 AM

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Fair, just was curious, given it transfers other damage types just peachy

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 9:03 AM

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heat and cold just don't do hp dmg, that's different

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:04 AM

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Yes, but given the old jank of Re-Atomizer, it seems possible that they coded Necrosis blisters similarly (that is, copy all damage over regardless of source and type)

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Shooting a boil with laser with AoE turned off doesn't heat a target

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That should be enough

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:00 AM

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Damn; thanks for testing that

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:11 PM

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I've been making some significant changes to the Fear page, if anyone wants to review and/or revise them

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 4:12 PM

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what kinds ? you did more testing and is correcting it ?

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:13 PM

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Yeah, re-arranging and re-wording text based on the testing we've done

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Also bumped the "effects" and "courage" section up (so its above the "sources of fear" section), as I expect most people looking up the page already have a fear source in mind and just want to know how the effect actually works

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One request, to anyone with the know-how to test it; can you see what the Mactera Goo Bomber's "Flee" movement speed multiplier is?

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Based on in game testing, it seems to actually be slower than normal, but they travel less distance

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:21 PM

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You can find it here

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https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Creature_Table

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:23 PM

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Says its 1.5x, which is the "default" for most grounded creaures

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:26 PM

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sterile crescent Mactera Bombers

Hmm, reviewing the footage maybe they're just so big it looks like they move slower and less distance

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:27 PM

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sterile crescent Says its 1.5x, which is the "default" for most grounded creaures

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Yup

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Re; that table, it erroneously lists a large number of enemies as fear immune which it turns out are not

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I'll go through and update it at some point, though if we get DataTables2 I might just reformat it entirely

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:28 PM

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That's a note to @weary sonnet

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:28 PM

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Fair. I'll just leave a short list below to remind us later then:

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Bulk Detonator
Glyphid Opressor
Dreadnaught (all forms)
Brood Nexus

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Based on the table, I need to figure out how to test Flying rocks

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Since they have a Courage of 1000, implying that they're in a similar state to Opressors

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And thus might be prone to forced fear

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:32 PM

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If you spawn Doretta, they will try to move and drop on it

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type "escortmule" in spawner

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:33 PM

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Ah, thank god

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I was worried I would have to repeat what I did with Onsite Refinement again

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Will test it in a sec, then

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So, the shield generator does not work

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And SYIH seems to instant kill them

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Shield vs. Rocks Demo

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SYIH Insta-killing them

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Going to see if the Lingering field changes anything

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:40 PM

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iirc they can scale

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:41 PM

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I know; this is a custom game mode with health and enemy damage multiplied by 100

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Hence me dying instantly when I get lightly tapped by anything

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:41 PM

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I'm about oneshotting with syih thing

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you can avoid that

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:42 PM

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How so? If I can test it more accurately, even better

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:42 PM

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SYIH is 666 dmg, you should just amp your resistances to cover that

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Which resistance do they fall under?

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Right now, I just realized I set resistance to 1000, not 100, for the prior tests

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For every damage resistance class I could think of

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:44 PM

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the common one

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as for grunts

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SmallEnemyDamageResistance

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Yup, they been juicing just fine

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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well that definitely works for me - I mean reducing dmg part

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Going to test with Hyperpop just to be sure

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If they're not scaled, they'll die instantly

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IF they are, then they have some whacky interactiong with forced fear

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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I just didn't oneshot it with SYIH

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just did the same as I told

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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They're definately scaled

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Hyper prop is dealing less than 1 damage

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Which means Shield fear is an exception to the forced fear effect in this case?

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:47 PM

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100 is enough there, you only need to change the first value for solo

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:47 PM

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Need to test with the others to be sure

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Ah, thats why theres 4 values, makes sense

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Anyways, one moment

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Is there a way to force Bosco to spawn in the Sandbox?

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His revive also forces fear

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And would make it easier to test

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 4:50 PM

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just type bosco in spawner

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Ah, that easy

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So, results are still inconclusive, going to do some more testing

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YUP

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It absolutely instant kills rocks if they are force feared

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Which means shields aren't a "true" force fear

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Going to do another test with SYIH quick

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Yeah, the field is one tapping them still

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Formatting demo of it now

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My only guess is that, if the rocks don't have a valid path to their target, they self-destruct, similar to how they do if they get stuck in terrain

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And since Fear forces a path that isn't to their target...

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Not sure if thats worth a bug report, or is intended by proxxy

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And ditto for posting on the wiki

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 5:37 PM

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sterile crescent It absolutely instant kills rocks if they are force feared

they just fell on each other and broke

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too many

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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I see

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 5:39 PM

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sterile crescent

this one rock that got destroyed probably just fell the moment you activated your SYIH

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when they fall they turn into projectiles and have low hp

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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I see; very weird

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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idk if dmg text shows that on prjs tho

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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Doesn't seem to

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 5:41 PM

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anyways you can see that only destroyed rock left its impact on platforms

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this means you didn't kill it

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Fair enough

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 5:42 PM

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weary sonnet Should be the full list, assuming true is default.

Makes sense, actually, now that I back-reference to this list

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Flying rocks are properly listed as Fear Immune

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Or, rather, CanFlee = false

trail gust Feb 3, 2023, 5:45 PM

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actually I recall that enemy rocks just become hidden and still can be destroyed, while their prjs are at work
dmg text shows just that

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 5:46 PM

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Interesting way around avoiding orphaned projectiles

smoky raven Feb 3, 2023, 7:26 PM

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Is the pgl armor break mod still broken? Also if its not, how does it interact with Dread armor

gaunt cipher Feb 3, 2023, 7:29 PM

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Still broken, and the only dread that has actual breakable "armor" is the twins. The yellow healthbar "shell" on OG dread and antennae on hiveguard aren't armor and don't take extra damage from armor break modifiers.

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 7:34 PM

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sterile crescent Flying rocks are properly listed as Fear Immune

They might share the same movement system as shellbacks, parasites, sharks, etc where they are immune to pathfinder blockers.

austere fossil Feb 3, 2023, 7:41 PM

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I assume "pathfinder blocker" is a specific thing and doesn't include like, being in a separate room with terrain in the way, right?

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 8:34 PM

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Correct.

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Force A Path If None Found allows terrain no-clip for MULE and such.

austere fossil Feb 3, 2023, 8:51 PM

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Which Flying Rocks I presume lack given the weird terrain generation I had once some time ago that put a closed off room in the ceiling within their spawning range.

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 9:09 PM

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I suppose so.

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Probably use Ceiling Avoidance Components.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:13 PM

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bold plover They might share the same movement system as shellbacks, parasites, sharks, etc ...

Do you have a list of these? I suspect you're right, but I don't think its denoted on the wiki anywhere

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 9:17 PM

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The reason why I brought it up is because that is what the gunner shield does.

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Creates a blocked pathfinding location and uses fear to update the enemy location so that they move out of the blocked location because otherwise they stand still.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:18 PM

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Yeah, makes sense

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 9:19 PM

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Um, I don't know of any specifics but I know that those all ignore it.

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Devs confirmed it too.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Its a start; can you provide me a link to that, or the list? Either works, I just want to quickly test it before I add anything about it to the wiki

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 9:54 PM

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Would Rich atmosphere drain ur O2 faster?

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:54 PM

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I don't think the two mutators can occur on the same mission at all, actually

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 9:55 PM

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??

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 9:55 PM

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I guess it is a "what if" question, more aimed at a scientific stand up instead of in game one ?

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the yellow icon is a low gravity mission mutator
the red icon is a litophage plague mission warning

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:56 PM

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I meant those two specifically (getting a mission with both Rich Atmo + Low O2)

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Its a blacklisted combination I'm pretty sure

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 9:56 PM

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glacial topaz the yellow icon is a low gravity mission mutator the red icon is a litophage pla...

yea it was example

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 9:57 PM

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sterile crescent Its a blacklisted combination I'm pretty sure

good to know

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 9:58 PM

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Do we have a full list of banned combos?

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 9:58 PM

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We don't appear to, no; at least not on the current Mutators wiki page

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 9:59 PM

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The only one I'm aware of is Low Oxy + Haunted Cave

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 9:59 PM

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rip, though I just checked and it appears as banne indeed

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which makes sense given the names lol "NoOxygen" vs "OxygenRich"
contraditory

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Fair lol

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:01 PM

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wonder if a table is best way to display the banned mutators and mission types

steady talon Feb 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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acoustic scarab The only one I'm aware of is Low Oxy + Haunted Cave

i don't think that's banned

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Probably smartest, using the symbols (maybe with a hoverover) as the column and row headers

steady talon Feb 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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there was a low oxy haunted cave PE mission back in december, unless that's a recent change i've missed in the patch notes

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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I might be misremembering, idk

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:03 PM

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compiling what I can find

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 10:03 PM

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sterile crescent Probably smartest, using the symbols (maybe with a hoverover) as the column and ...

You mean a matrix with a mark at intersections of banned combos?

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:04 PM

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Yeah, pretty much

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 10:04 PM

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At 13 warnings and 8 anomalies that might not be the best solution

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If only a handful are blacklisted, a simple list would read better

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:05 PM

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If/When DataTables2 is added, we can get fancier with it, but for now I think its worth adding for the sake of being thorough

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True; depends on how many "blacklisted" combos there are

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 10:05 PM

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Yeah. A matrix would take up a lot of page space, we should make sure it's justified

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 10:05 PM

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Hypothetical how would this combo work?
In my opinion everything would move faset but now with o2 meter.
Would it drain faster? This is good question.

gaunt cipher Feb 3, 2023, 10:06 PM

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I don't think they want to add special cases for stuff like that.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:06 PM

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I don't think the logic exists for the O2 meter changing at different rates conditionally

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So I imagine its drain and refill rates would be unchanged

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Conditionally outside of "you are near an O2 source" anyways

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:10 PM

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bans:
CaveLeechDen: PointExtraction ; Facility
Ghost: Salvage ; DD_Defense ; Escort ; Facility
InfestedEnemies: MMUT_ExplosiveEnemies
NoOxygen: Salvage ; MMUT_OxygenRich
Plague: Escort ; (also has a "DoubleWarning": false")
RivalIncursion: Facility ; Escort

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:10 PM

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Oh, thats not that bad actually

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Quick question re: Ghost; does that mean you can get a Black Box secondary on a Deep Dive w/ a Ghost mutator?

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God help us when that happens, if so

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Though, maybe thats what "DD_Defense" is

acoustic scarab Feb 3, 2023, 10:11 PM

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I think it is

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InfestedEnemies: MMUT_ExplosiveEnemies
Is that Exploder Infestation + Parasites?

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:12 PM

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@glacial topaz you want to add this to the wiki, or shall I?

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:18 PM

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not in a rush no, feel free
usually I say so when I am in a project / planning to add

austere fossil Feb 3, 2023, 10:18 PM

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Plague: Escort (also has a "DoubleWarning": false")
This is saying Plague can't be part of a double warning, right?

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Not that Escorts can't have doubles?

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 10:20 PM

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acoustic scarab Do we have a full list of banned combos?

I do somewhere.

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https://mod.io/g/drg/m/abnormal-anomalies

mod.io

Abnormal Anomalies for Deep Rock Galactic

Removes the mission type and mutation restrictions for Haunted Cave, Cave Leech Cluster, Parasites, Low Oxygen, Rival Incursion to allow them for all generated missions.

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Only thing missing is lithophage which should be easy to get (I can't do it soon)

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:22 PM

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austere fossil > **Plague:** Escort (also has a "DoubleWarning": false") This is saying Plague ...

yea, guess I forgot the " ; "

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 10:23 PM

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austere fossil > **Plague:** Escort (also has a "DoubleWarning": false") This is saying Plague ...

Correct about Plague not being available in double for all missions.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:27 PM

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Perfect, thanks. Adding it now

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 10:31 PM

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done using this mod https://mod.io/g/drg/m/buyable-missions
seems like u just running faster and o2 is going like on o2 only mission

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:44 PM

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Just saved the edit, give it a look: https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Mutators

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:46 PM

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also, I think we should avoid posting links for modding ?

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 10:46 PM

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looks dope

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:47 PM

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glacial topaz also, I think we should avoid posting links for modding ?

I think, given we use the Sandbox mod for a lot testing, its fine as long as its related to developing the wiki re: main game mechanics

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Even if those mechanics are functionally theoretical

glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 10:50 PM

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don't remember exceptions, but maybe that could change in the future

spare hatch Feb 3, 2023, 10:52 PM

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to be honestplaying in this configuration was fun and fast. wasnt really stressfull bc it was small map but i understand why on some types of missins this is good idea to ban this combinations

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plus from logical stand both at once dont make sense

austere fossil Feb 3, 2023, 10:53 PM

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I think it's banned for the same reason Parasites+Volatile Guts is: they kinda cancel each other out.

austere fossil Feb 3, 2023, 10:56 PM

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sterile crescent Just saved the edit, give it a look: https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Mutat...

Haunted is missing the Salvage exclusion

Also:

nor when the secondary objective of the mission is a Black Box
I would reword to
nor when the secondary objective of a Deep Dive or Elite Deep Dive is a Black Box

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Oh, whoops, fixing now

austere fossil Feb 3, 2023, 10:58 PM

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The second one just to head off the inevitable "can black boxes appear in regular missions?" greenbeard question

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Fair point

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"Cannot appear on Escort Duty, Salvage Operation, or Industrial Sabotage missions, nor when the secondary objective of a Deep Dive is a Black Box"; there isn't a sub-reference to Elite Deep Dives, so this makes the hyperlinking more uniform

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glacial topaz Feb 3, 2023, 11:02 PM

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I worry that might make it look like it is Elite only ?

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 11:03 PM

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True

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I'll leave it as TriggerHappyBro suggested for now, and we can revise it later if a better idea comes up

bold plover Feb 3, 2023, 11:05 PM

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Yeah it is an old, dysfunctional mod so I'm sure some things have changed.

sterile crescent Feb 3, 2023, 11:05 PM

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Edit saved

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Sorry for deleting most of the page there for a sec; I somehow edited the entire page when I meant to just edit the new section. That screw up is now reverted.

spare hatch Feb 4, 2023, 2:04 AM

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lez go! my "contribution to DRG wiki"

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 6:33 AM

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Does anyone know if the heat from "Burning nightmare" on the experimental plasma charger allows it to ignite gas clouds?

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 6:44 AM

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It does

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Or should, anyways

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Last I tested it it did

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 6:45 AM

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Okay thanks, I wasn't sure if it needed to be actual fire or just any projectile that did heat damage.

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 6:48 AM

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IIRC, its anything capable of dealing heat damage. This is why, strangely, ground flames cannot ignite them (since it only deals fire damage + acts like an Environment heat source)

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Heat = temperature change, Fire = damage to the targets HP

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 6:49 AM

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I assume the same applies to everything that can burn, like webs, neurotoxin grenades, swarms of insects, etc?

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 6:49 AM

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Pretty sure, yeah

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Actually, scratch that; I think only gas clouds work that way

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Since the Colette Wave Cooker can burn away webs just fine, but it can't deal heat damage to environmental objects (or anything that isn't already heated somewhat already)

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As it deals 50% fire, 50% radiation damage

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 6:53 AM

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Ah you're saying that gas clouds only care about heat while other things will respond to actual fire damage (as well as heat?)

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 6:53 AM

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I think the latter only care about fire damage period, though I've not tested that to say for sure

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:55 AM

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sticky flames heat via STE, gas doesn't have STE component

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 7:08 AM

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There's something else I'm trying to figure out:

The EPC with burning nightmare does 10 flat heat damage plus 25% of the projectile damage as heat for a total of 15 heat damage per regular shot (10 + 0.25*20 = 15). The corrosive puddle needs to absorb 20 heat to ignite, so you might expect a corrosive puddle to ignite in two regular shots of the EPC with burning nightmare.

In practice I find it takes three shots rather than two. I am wondering if there is a missing puzzle piece or maybe if the puddle needs 30 heat rather than 20?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 7:09 AM

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I recall there are 2 different puddles, one takes 15 heat, another 20 heat

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 7:11 AM

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Hmm, but they don't seem to ignite until the third shot, which would be 45 total heat. 30 doesn't seem to be enough.

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 7:13 AM

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Regular Shots do [5 plus 25% of their Direct Damage] Heat per shot which can ignite enemies

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that contradicts with (10 + 0.25*20 = 15)

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 7:14 AM

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Oh okay. The wiki says
"Normal Shot: +10 Heat / +25% Damage as additional Heat"
and I think I misread it

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So that is supposed to mean 10 total, which is 5 plus an addition 5 from the 25% conversion?

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But in that case, I would still expect the puddle to ignite in two shots, not three.

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 7:29 AM

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Stock EPC with T5A BN deals 7.5 heat to Puddle

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EPC with T1A + T5A deals 8.125 Heat to Puddle

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The end formula is (Direct dmg / 2) x 0.25 + 5

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@primal pulsar

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 7:36 AM

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Oooh. Thank you so much! I guess that part of the wiki was just outdated?

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Or maybe I was looking in the wrong spot.

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 7:36 AM

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@floral drift knows more about this part, I guess that has smth to do with multiple dmg conversions again.

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 7:52 AM

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trail gust <@199367621634686976> knows more about this part, I guess that has smth to do wi...

Multiple conversions again? NotLikeThis

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checking gamefiles:

WeaponsNTools/ChargeBlaster/PRJ_NormalBlasterShot

starts at 20 Kinetic-Element damage with 0 Fire-element RadialDamage
has a Conversion to Electric-Element (no amount specified, therefore defaults to 50%)

WeaponsNTools/ChargeBlaster/UPGEffect_HeatDamageBonus_Conversion

adds 25% Conversion to Heat, but it adds instead of converting.

WeaponsNTools/ChargeBlaster/UPGEffect_HeatDamage_Flat

adds flat +5 Heat

so... the damage element array would look something like this:
20 Damage * [50% Kinetic, 50% Electric, 25% Heat]
0 RadialDamage * [50% Fire, 50% Electric, 25% Heat]
5 Heat

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that's if everything works as intended

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as previously mentioned, the +5 Flat Heat is seemingly being double-applied vs enemies due to the RadialDamage. it doesn't really make sense, but its the best explanation i can figure out so far.

so, the expected formula is 0.25 * Direct Damge + 10

as for why the puddles are only taking 7.5 and 8.125 Heat... 🤔

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:14 AM

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I checked all these files too, but puddles' tests just don't match it

thick pelican Feb 4, 2023, 8:15 AM

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Didn't puddles ignite in one BN hit lately?

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Normal uncharged shot

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:15 AM

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with HH?

thick pelican Feb 4, 2023, 8:15 AM

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No

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Stock

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:15 AM

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not according to my tests

thick pelican Feb 4, 2023, 8:15 AM

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Regular EPC with just BN

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:15 AM

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3 shots

thick pelican Feb 4, 2023, 8:16 AM

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Might have fixed it because I remember being able to ignite puddles in one hit at the beginning of S3

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:16 AM

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Though I didn't monitor the temperature directly, however by altering BurnTemperature I matched the heat dealt by one shot

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:17 AM

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thick pelican Might have fixed it because I remember being able to ignite puddles in one hit a...

yeah, this is what Evan found back in November. we reasoned that it was caused by the shot doing 10 + 0.25*Damage directly, plus 5 to the nearby overlapping puddles.

i'm surprised to hear that it's doing 1/2 the expected heat now

thick pelican Feb 4, 2023, 8:18 AM

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What did GSG do this time smh

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:19 AM

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TCS is 1.0 too for the Puddle

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so it's really about EPC damage

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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tested vs lootbug, which ignites at 30. 2 shots only got ~5/8 of the way. if it were doing (10 + 20/4)=15 heat per shot, i think it would have been closer to igniting.

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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It still deals expected heat for enemies

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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trail gust It still deals expected heat for enemies

which expected, the 0.25x + 5, or 0.25x + 10, or some other formula?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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I got 10 heat against praetorian

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on stock

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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dare we pray GSG fixed the double apply +5? 🙏

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:24 AM

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10 heat for lootbugs as well

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:25 AM

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lines up with the test i just did.

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so, that explains one part. now, how to explain the 7.5...

the only formula that would work would be what SplitSentro said above, the Damage/8 + 5

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:30 AM

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BP_Damage_Cloud_Flamable_Base that also has ObjectTemperature component receives 2 times less heat as well.

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:32 AM

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just verified, i am no longer able to ignite Swarmers with the normal shot's invisible AoE. so that double-confirms the finding that the +5 no longer double-applies

yay, Burning Nightmare is down to only 2 bugs, i think! (down from 5 in November)

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:33 AM

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trail gust BP_Damage_Cloud_Flamable_Base that also has ObjectTemperature component receives...

i wonder if the ObjectTemperature has a passive 50% TempChangeScale?

...why would that not affect the +5? is it because it's classified as FlatDamageBonus, like Subata T5.B or SMG EMRB? both of those weapon upgrades ignore AB and normal damage conversions, maybe its coded to have "Flat" stuff bypass the normal logic?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:37 AM

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trail gust TCS is 1.0 too for the Puddle

i wonder if the ObjectTemperature has a passive 50% TempChangeScale?

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:38 AM

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yeah, i saw that earlier message. i was wondering about something specific to the ObjectTemperature base class, which might have a hidden TCS 0.5 that stacks with the listed one?

Occam's Razor would indicate "no", getting too convoluted...

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:39 AM

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I saw 1.0 TCS dumped from in-game objecttemperaturecomponent

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:40 AM

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are you able to inspect if the puddle or gas cloud has a resistance to either Kinetic or Electric damage? i didn't see any elemental resistances in gamefiles

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 8:40 AM

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For instance, cloud's component looks like this:

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No resistances

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floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 8:41 AM

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i have no hypothesis to explain the behavior, then 😦

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especially with it working as intended vs Enemy Creatures, but only getting 1/2 of converted Heat vs Objects

tame plover Feb 4, 2023, 8:53 AM

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floral drift just verified, i am no longer able to ignite Swarmers with the normal shot's inv...

I am still able to do this?

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Oh, it only works with HH now

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 9:20 AM

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I confirm that
Also removed electric conversion, still the same heat amount on puddles

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Stock Hurricane with Napalm Rounds deals only 6.6 heat to puddles which is 0.33 from its radial damage, ignoring the direct part.

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PGL with T3A deals 55 heat from radial dmg conversion, as supposed.

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However, when you add direct damage upgrade or Hyper Propellant, it still deals 55 heat.
With HH, EPC deals 32/2/4 + 5 + 10 AoE = 19 heat to puddles.

acoustic scarab Feb 4, 2023, 9:54 AM

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Rival Presence Warning Rival Presence: Cannot appear on Escort Duty
Wait, that must've only gone into effect since season 3. I have a screenshot of an escort where I had two friendly patrol bots

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Better?

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Current view

bold plover Feb 4, 2023, 10:28 AM

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it was removed when turret controllers were added

steady talon Feb 4, 2023, 11:46 AM

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this reminds me

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i'm pretty sure this page: https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Hazard_Bonus has an error

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it says the current max hazard bonus is +253%, but since lithophage missions can't be a double warning, i don't think that number is possible

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 11:56 AM

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the maximum should be +233% indeed

acoustic scarab Feb 4, 2023, 12:44 PM

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fixed

tame plover Feb 4, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I remember the twins only being able to share health a max of 3 times per fight. Is this still true? I can't find it on the wiki.
https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Glyphid_Dreadnought_Twins#Armor_Regeneration

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Glyphid Dreadnought Twins

OverviewCreatures
Glyphid
Twins

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 4:21 PM

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tame plover I remember the twins only being able to share health a max of 3 times per fight....

to be fair, I don't recall it ever having a limit

tame plover Feb 4, 2023, 4:21 PM

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I might be misremembering

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I'll test rq

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:22 PM

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I once heard that on some video
though it was never discussed here or tested by me

I couldn't even discover what triggers it

tame plover Feb 4, 2023, 4:26 PM

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It seems to be true. They regened 3 times and are now refusing to do it again.

Deep_Rock_Galactic_Screenshot_2023.02.04_-_17.25.56.62.png

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:28 PM

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guess that is to avoid battle lasting forever
now only thing left is to discover what triggers it

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Anecdotally, as far as the trigger, they seem to do it when one's health differs significantly from the other. When I lower both of their health evenly they don't seem to do it (as much?), but that's not scientific.

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 4:29 PM

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glacial topaz guess that is to avoid battle lasting forever now only thing left is to discover...

what triggers what ?

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the healing ?

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 4:29 PM

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primal pulsar Anecdotally, as far as the trigger, they seem to do it when one's health differs...

yeah, i'm under the impression this is how the Twins' healing works.

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:29 PM

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. _.
the part that a big HP difference triggers it is known (that is on the wiki)
but not the %

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 4:30 PM

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i thought i saw it in a gamefile, once upon a time...

checking

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 4:30 PM

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so 3 max healing and 1 guaranteed healing no matter what

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 4:31 PM

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Ah that makes sense, because I have seen them heal despite being within like 5% of each other.

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 4:31 PM

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yeah, there's always gonna be at least one

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:32 PM

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not strictly always. given enough time they will but with enough damage they can be killed before healing

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:34 PM

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so it is time based too ?

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 4:34 PM

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there's this value here, but 11% difference in healthbars doesn't sound like the right threshold:

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:35 PM

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11% sounds like it could be right

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 4:35 PM

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Could it be that it is 11 percent and it just takes them longer to reach a state where they can do the healing? They both have to dig and reach each other first, and if they are in the middle of an attack sequence or something that could singificantly increase the time it takes, right?

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:35 PM

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could change that to see how it goes
like to 0.02 or higher, 0.3

tame plover Feb 4, 2023, 4:36 PM

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Maybe the 2 regens after the first guaranteed one can trigger once there is a difference of 11%. But it isn't instant. 11% sounds right to me.

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:36 PM

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yeah exactly, there's a time window between them deciding to heal and actually doing the heal. within that time it's possible to do more damage or even outright kill them

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:38 PM

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I can test again then, and changing the values
though I think I waited a long time for that
another time

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 4:43 PM

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the real question is: is it a difference of 11% Max HP, or 11% of current HPs?

Haz2/4P -> 4500 eHP
11% of Max HP -> 495

suppose the Arbalest had been brought down to 2000 eHP, and now only the Lacerator is being damaged. would the healing trigger when the Lacerator falls below (2000 - 495) = 1505 eHP (an 11% of Max HP) or when it falls below (2000 * 0.89) = 1780 eHP (a relative difference of 11%)?

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i think the logic would be easier to implement if it was 11% of Max HP 🤔

static value, and easy to make the comparison both directions (A -> L, L -> A)

11% relative HPs would be harder to implement, and would no longer be symmetrical comparison

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:45 PM

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if it were current HP then healing would become significantly more frequent as they approach 0 HP yea?

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 4:46 PM

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in theory, yeah

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perhaps that's why the max=3 was added? 🤷‍♂️

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 4:47 PM

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I don't know why they would program it that way - from a gameplay perspective it doesn't make a lot of sense.

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:47 PM

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i'd wager it's 11% max HP. i've never noticed the health difference vary significantly depending on how much HP they have

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:47 PM

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when was that limit added ?

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:48 PM

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was also wondering that. where has the heal count limit been observed? pretty sure i've had pretty disastrous twin fights resulting in countless heals. perhaps it's a solo only thing?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 4:49 PM

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I see conditions HasMetThirdTime and HasMetSecondTime in control flow

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:49 PM

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isn't there a limit to how low HP can be ?
as in, too low HP and it won't heal

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 4:49 PM

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tame plover It seems to be true. They regened 3 times and are now refusing to do it again.

which explains this

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Does it ever heal, when both twins have more than 60% hp?

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 4:51 PM

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glacial topaz when was that limit added ?

can't find any traces of it being added at some point

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so it likely was always there or the devs never mentioned it anywhere

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:52 PM

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trail gust Does it ever heal, when both twins have more than 60% hp?

if there is a health difference (the 11% post above) yeah. i think the half HP threshold just forces a heal if one hasn't occurred yet

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 4:53 PM

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I mean both

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like 100% and 61%

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:53 PM

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yes, that should cause a heal

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 4:54 PM

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it just looks like it starts with healthpct < 0.6 check

tame plover Feb 4, 2023, 4:56 PM

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short cloud can't find any traces of it being added at some point

Squashed a bug that caused the Dreadnought twins to heal each other almost all the time

Maybe this is it? U33 hotfix 7

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:56 PM

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I can't find anything actually using the TiggerOnPercentage value so I suspect there is some native logic we're not seeing

short cloud Feb 4, 2023, 4:56 PM

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tame plover Squashed a bug that caused the Dreadnought twins to heal each other almost all t...

maybe it's related but there's no mention of limiting the number of heal as a fix

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and I don't see how it would actually fix the bug

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 4:56 PM

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then it looks like it substracts two health %s, gets an absolute value and compares if the diff is higher than 0.2 (20%) or not.

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see for yourself: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/trumank/drg-control-flow-graphs/master/cfgs/FSD/Content/Enemies/Spider/TankBoss/BossTwins/ENE_Spider_Boss_TwinBase.svg

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 4:59 PM

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lol the heal function is called MeetAndGreet

floral drift Feb 4, 2023, 4:59 PM

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trail gust then it looks like it substracts two health %s, gets an absolute value and compa...

20% sounds like what i was expecting, not 11%

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rocknstone SplitSentro you've been doing a lot of great finds lately, thanks

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:00 PM

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it's actually Assembly's directory, but thanks anyways

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:02 PM

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cerulean berry lol the heal function is called `MeetAndGreet`

this one seems to get pathfinding right for that cosmetic ritual, healthdamagetracker function is what captured my attention

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:35 PM

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They only start to heal when one of them goes down to less than 2500 hp, base is 4500

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 5:36 PM

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very specific, that would be like ~55.55%

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:37 PM

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I've tried like 4 times already with different weapons

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 5:37 PM

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that's what i'm seeing too. changing TiggerOnPercentage has no observable effect at all

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 5:37 PM

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obsolete variable ??

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 5:37 PM

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i changed the 0.6 value to 0.99 and they heal almost immediately

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:38 PM

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though 2500 is really less than 60% and they don't want to heal with 2500-2700 hp

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 5:39 PM

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how much HP did the other twin have when one had 2500-2700HP?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:41 PM

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I either didn't touch him or shot him once

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 5:42 PM

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cerulean berry i changed the 0.6 value to 0.99 and they heal almost immediately

what if it is 0.7 or 0.8
will it heal at like 65.55% and 75.55% maybe ?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:42 PM

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on less than 2500 they go like immediattely

acoustic scarab Feb 4, 2023, 5:42 PM

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primal pulsar Anecdotally, as far as the trigger, they seem to do it when one's health differs...

It's the big difference, but from my experience it doesn't have to be all that big. I might be running into the "guaranteed" heal though.
With only me and Bosco, it's relatively easy to keep their health bars even, and that's what I always strive for.
Bosco always focuses on the Lacerator, so that leaves me herding the Arbalest.

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 5:43 PM

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trail gust on less than 2500 they go like immediattely

wait, you can find a range of "immediate" to "takes a long time, but happens" ?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:43 PM

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I can speed up the game yes

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 5:44 PM

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maybe it is just a curve then
the value is the minimum for the process to start, with that 2500 being at the limit

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though have to wonder how that one is calculated

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:46 PM

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at 2522 they both burrowed in, but decided not to heal

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they may not go immediately after trespassing 2500, though most often they don't wait for anything and just burrow in to heal

cerulean berry Feb 4, 2023, 5:58 PM

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ok no TiggerOnPercentage is doing something. i set it to 0.9 and now the first heal isn't happening until one of them drops below 10% HP. wonder if it's what's controlling the Buffed flag on the blackboard...

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 5:58 PM

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and that is just for the twins xD, still have OG dread and hiveguard to figure out

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:04 PM

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next threshold is under 1550 - did happen to me at ~1544, at 1527 and at 1513 - it's more like random, rather than waiting for a certain amount of time
the other twin has 4k after the first heal

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 6:04 PM

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wait, you mean it is a % chance, for each time you damage ?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:05 PM

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because I run multiple rounds when getting close to these values and they don't seem to heal at certain hp value

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it's a little different every time

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 6:07 PM

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guessing you using super low damage weapons too

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:08 PM

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when I try to sense that point with 1 hp modded gk2, it gets surprisingly low - like 2460-2470 or like 1513

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but when I use 16 dmg gk2, they wanna go right at 2500

primal pulsar Feb 4, 2023, 6:09 PM

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Maybe it has to do with how fast the damage is dealt in addition to having thresholds.

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:12 PM

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hmm now 2501->2500 change made them heal after running rounds for like a minute on x5 speed

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now they healed at 1505.3->1499.3 after 5 hp per multiple rounds
but just shooting them down with laser made them go heal at 1581 hp

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 6:26 PM

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wait, the healing trigger changes when you change the weapons
but if you do it with the same weapon, is it still random ?

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:27 PM

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more like when I'm doing it slow and steady, it's more likely to happen up to 100 hp further than the threshold

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if you think about it, 4000x0.4=1600 which could be a 2nd threshold

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mb it's current hp after all

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but that doesn't explain the first one

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 6:29 PM

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well, I guess trick is to keep changing values, best way to find some pattern
like, if you change only arbalest to have less max HP

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I change only one twin anyways

glacial topaz Feb 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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wonder if making corrosive status last forever, and have fixed dmg / tick interval
would be good idea to ensure consistency

trail gust Feb 4, 2023, 6:58 PM

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it can be easily done, but mb another time

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 10:01 PM

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acoustic scarab Better?

Thank you for doing that; I was considering that, but tbh it felt like it made it kind of busy. Looking at it, though, it actually looks really good

acoustic scarab Feb 4, 2023, 10:03 PM

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I just thought that if the reader knows the icons, they can parse that section much quicker

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And if they don't, it doesn't hurt readability too much

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 10:04 PM

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For sure; tbh it looks much better in practice than it did in my head while I was thinking about it

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Quick tangent, I wonder why they made it so Escort Duty can't have Lithophage

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Seems like it wouldn't be too too bad, honestly

acoustic scarab Feb 4, 2023, 10:10 PM

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Probably because a spike is a location-locked objective, and Escort is about moving

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 10:10 PM

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Fair; might also be to avoid a bug where Dory runs over the meteor, instantly breaking it and "completing" it

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Since thats how she works with the event meteors last I checked

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Would be very funny though

sterile crescent Feb 4, 2023, 10:27 PM

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So, turns out that, to accurately calculate the duration of Fear, you need Calculus

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Since (most) targets decelerate as they approach their "flee" point

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Resulting in the duration being extended slightly, as near the tail end they're moving slower than their max speed

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They also need to accelerate a lot of the time when initially fleeing :)

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Also, barring unusual circumstances, a fleeing Elite Mactera Grabber is the faster possible unit in the game

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Moving at a ludicrous 37.5 m/s

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More than 1/10th the speed of sound

sterile crescent Feb 5, 2023, 12:12 AM

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trail gust I can tell that for Nexus: > CanFlee = true > IsFleeing becomes true when applie...

When you get the chance, can you tell me how you were able to test this?

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I was going to test a number of enemies which haven't yet been tested, but I don't know the specific overlay/debug option

sterile crescent Feb 5, 2023, 12:45 AM

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Particularly the various Deeptora hives

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Since they act superficially like a Nexus

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Just pushed some significant changes to the Fear page, feel free to give them a once over and edit them if you like

floral drift Feb 5, 2023, 1:06 AM

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sterile crescent Also, barring unusual circumstances, a fleeing Elite Mactera Grabber is the fast...

AFAIK flying enemies don't benefit from the x1.5 Flee Modifier

thick pelican Feb 5, 2023, 1:39 AM

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Is it intended that swarmers and Naedocytes aren't affected by Fear from Bosco revive or FM?

floral drift Feb 5, 2023, 1:49 AM

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i don't know. but my guess is that's unintended, because the Fear is supposed to make all the creatures go away from the revive target, including minibosses. it wouldn't make sense to add logic to Bulks/Dreads that affects them, but then not inlcude the trash mobs, y'know?

sterile crescent Feb 5, 2023, 2:22 AM

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thick pelican Is it intended that swarmers and Naedocytes aren't affected by Fear from Bosco r...

As far as I know, those only trigger if a "large" enemy is nearby when they start (similar to how certain weapons don't work on swarmers)

echo parrot Feb 5, 2023, 2:59 AM

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what does "Distance" mean when looking at server listings

stark tulip Feb 5, 2023, 3:01 AM

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it's a simplified presentation of ping
close: low ping
far: high ping

echo parrot Feb 5, 2023, 3:07 AM

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stark tulip it's a simplified presentation of ping close: low ping far: high ping

ROCK AND STONE!!!!! rocknstone

trail gust Feb 5, 2023, 3:10 AM

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stark tulip it's a simplified presentation of ping close: low ping far: high ping

I think it's more like geographically close, I join close servers when I see them (which are kinda rare), but it's like 50/50 to get 160-180 ms ping instead of 30-40 ms, so it really depends on routing in your region.

sterile crescent Feb 5, 2023, 3:29 AM

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This is my sentiment as well

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When I'm under a VPN this is especially the case

stark tulip Feb 5, 2023, 3:30 AM

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well I thought it's able to tell which sessions are further based on ping alone

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only US and Canada shows up for me

ocean mulch Feb 5, 2023, 4:01 AM

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when does season three end?

glacial topaz Feb 5, 2023, 4:03 AM

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Nobody knows
Why ?

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You worried for not completing it ? Which level are you on it ?

echo parrot Feb 5, 2023, 4:08 AM

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glacial topaz You worried for not completing it ? Which level are you on it ?

theres a completion?!

glacial topaz Feb 5, 2023, 4:09 AM

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On the space rig
You can find a season terminal
Near the drop pod

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There is like 100 levels to get, and a big tree of cosmetics to unlock stuff

sterile crescent Feb 5, 2023, 4:23 AM

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Its a free season pass everyone gets access to

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If you miss anything on it, it gets added to the random pools though, so don't stress to much if you can't finish it

bold plover Feb 5, 2023, 4:31 AM

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Is there a formula for how temporary buffs stack twice?

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Obviously it depends on the pawn stat being additive or multiplicative.

sterile crescent Feb 5, 2023, 5:20 AM

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Can you give an example?

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I think most of them just become the sum (additive) or product (multiplicative) of all the buffs' effects together

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When Sentro and I were testing with Re-Atomizer, thats how it seemed to work anyways; getting 5x and 4x speed buff resulted in x20 speed

echo parrot Feb 5, 2023, 5:37 AM

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I'm assuming that the "High Capacity Shells" for the Scout's Boomstick increases damage?

glacial topaz Feb 5, 2023, 5:38 AM

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guessing you saw it outside game ?
that is "+3 Pellets"

bold plover Feb 5, 2023, 5:39 AM

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each pellet does the listed damage so technically yes it does increase damage

glacial topaz Feb 5, 2023, 5:39 AM

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if you want to check other mods for that weapon check https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Jury-Rigged_Boomstick

echo parrot Feb 5, 2023, 5:40 AM

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glacial topaz if you want to check other mods for that weapon check <https://deeprockgalactic....

yea that's where I was but couldnt find the answer I was looking for

glacial topaz Feb 5, 2023, 5:40 AM

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isn't that like saying less reload increases damage xD