drg-chat

[arctic sky]

Gotta try EFS now

[final glade]

armor break very important on m1k for a variety of reasons, notably the ability to 2 hit body shot grunts

[arctic sky]

What's a notable weapon that also takes advantage of this?

[hollow scroll]

The grunt breakpoint is like the least notable thing it does

[final glade]

I like it >:(

[hollow scroll]

M1000 is the most notable. Also Pump Action Warthog (specifically Pump Action) and Hyper Propellant.

[sly quiver]

the 2 cheek combo

[arctic sky]

Hmm, now I gotta check if my hyper propellant had armor break or not

[final glade]

(also 2 shotting on body shots is very notable for blowthrough builds)

[hallow torrent]

does a spreadsheet exists for all the different m1k breakpoints

[hollow scroll]

Good idea especially if your build is old, because it used to not work on Hyper Propellant (it was bugged) and incendiary compound used to note reduce its damage (that was also a bug; its damage is now properly reduced by incendiary compound).

[hollow scroll]

Yes, actually, I'll find it

[final glade]

I wish hyperprop had a bit more ammo

I wish pgl had a bit more ammo

[arctic sky]

7 ammo fatboy would go crazy

[sly quiver]

arguably would last us the whole uplink

[final glade]

still very confused about that guy who said fat boy was the best pgl oc because you can mine with it

like cool I can waste half my ammo stock on a nitra vein that's so great

[grave citrus]

That's what I ran when I tried it honestly the only useable build for me

And efs

[hollow scroll]

Here are two spreadsheets on M1000 breakpoints with various builds. You'll have to click on the image and zoom in.

1 focus shot+ rest hipfire shots: https://imgur.com/2zFtCQq

All focus shots: https://imgur.com/IhZKWKl

[dawn prawn]

lol the other day i ran into an engi using ammo cheats, he said he used them bc fat boy didnt have enough ammo. dude was trying to dig tunnels with it

[hollow scroll]

It's not the best because you can mine with it, that's just a good bit of utility to have when needed.

[vernal fog]

Fat Boy is the best because Big Boom makes the Dopamine Flow

[final glade]

it's not the best period

[random delta]

He's right here

[final glade]

and still wrong

[hollow scroll]

It's considered the best or at very worst second best.

[random delta]

Wait whered he go

[dawn prawn]

never thought about it til now but max dmg ass is literally the only m1k i ever use

[hallow torrent]

hmm ok

[sly quiver]

holy SCC inclusion

[dawn prawn]

i used to like efs a lot but havent used it in hundreds of hours

[random delta]

Duck was ragebaiting this guy the last time

[hollow scroll]

Yeah I could guess it was Duck

[random delta]

Duck is so awesome

[hollow scroll]

True...

[grave citrus]

Yeah I mean same with the gk2 just built it for ab and damage secondary can do other stuff

Or you can just fly

Whatever

[grave citrus]

I think it was one of my first few ocs

Really good

[fallow maple]

That was me hi

[flint hatch]

I'm currently using 12321 Cycle Overload + 12132 RJ250 Compound and the shotgun feels kind of underpowered compared to what I was using. Pump Action and Magnetic Pellet alignment were both pretty fun.

[final glade]

hello

[flint hatch]

I wanna give Fat Boy another go as well, but having only 4 shots kinda sucks

[final glade]

I don't like that the new corestone modifier doesnt let you keep the corestone

[grave citrus]

Use it with lures and turret whip

[final glade]

I'm going through more effort than the actual event give me my season xp

[grave citrus]

Ammo isn't a problem

With that setup

[fallow maple]

Use it with ecr and be sure to think about mining with it sometimes

[upbeat canyon]

Fat boy is fun af if you play on high hazards where swarms are actually pretty big

[dawn prawn]

pump the best ofc, i think mpa and stunner are both better than cycle overload tho

[iron sonnet]

Fat boy is kinda like a grenade in a sense

[fallow maple]

Yes exactly that ive been saying

This guy gets it

[flint hatch]

I've found RJ250 Compound plus the upgrade that converts 50% of damage to Heat also seems pretty powerful on the higher hazards, plus you get mobility and like 22 of them

[final glade]

I would personally rather have a secondary than a grenade

[random delta]

Yes we get it

[fallow maple]

Depends on the grenade lol

[upbeat canyon]

Yeah buts it’s a very GOOD grenade

[fallow maple]

Would I really rather have subata than phero?

[upbeat canyon]

Like imagine carrying 4 nukes with you

[dawn prawn]

i wouldnt they should add leadburster as a secondary

[random delta]

Also can grenades mine nitra?

[sterile olive]

Is Hipster worth taking for a mix build of Regular and Focus shots?

[random delta]

Didn't think so

That already makes it better than grenades actually

[fallow maple]

The universe where HIGH EXPLOSIVE grenades can carve...

[final glade]

True...

can we get a pgl oc that makes it shoot leadbursters

[warm pike]

efs is generally the best overclock for that type of playstyle

[static mortar]

It's worth using but does hipfire most of the time, you still do focus but like just for mactera spawn and stun which is still very valuable but if you want a true mix of both take like a clean or EFS.

[warm pike]

minclips and hoverclock are also solid picks for a hybrid playstyle

[fallow maple]

hoverclock my king...

[warm pike]

mfd is an odd one cuz you're kinda forced to do both to make good use of it, while the other overclocks get a lot off reedom in which way they go

[random delta]

Remove the MFD focus shot damage nerf

[final glade]

actually a pgl oc that made it shoot a random grenade from any class would be hilarious

[fallow maple]

Just make the buff FUCK. Why am I giving up all my focus shot damage to plink man

[iron sonnet]

I believe MFD would need much more drastic changes then just this

[fallow maple]

This thing shipped next to CT

[fallow maple]

How much ammo does it get

[random delta]

Oh for sure but we can start here

[final glade]

idk don't feel like figuring out how to balance it rn

[merry musk]

I need to be more active in this community man

[fallow maple]

Ok fair lol

[random delta]

6

[final glade]

atp just use fat boy

[fallow maple]

Fatboy doesnt have a 1/16 chance to shoot pheromone

Admittedly

[iron sonnet]

If MFD focus was at least 2 ammo and still had the minimal damage it would already be so much better

[random delta]

Take the ammo ups

[final glade]

I'd say probably hyperprop ammo would be a good starting point

[random delta]

Wait a second, this is ass

[final glade]

if we're being conservative

[fallow maple]

Yeah thats what im running into lmao

[random delta]

Give it 12

[fallow maple]

Most nades are bad so unless it has +ammo this shit feels awful

But then you highroll phero

[final glade]

give it rj250 ammo for the downside of potentially getting a ripper actually

[fallow maple]

Lmao

What if

Hold on much cooler implementation

It shoots a random nade BUT it shows you which one its gonna fire on its UI beforehand

[iron sonnet]

I feel like the damage nades will almost always be worse than utility nades

[fallow maple]

So you can plan how to use the shit ones

[final glade]

not enough gambling

[random delta]

Folks

What if it shoots a random projectile

So all projectiles, both from friendlies and enemies, with grenades

[final glade]

I mean thatd just be ass coming from the pgl no?

[random delta]

Pgl that shoots Lacerator Rock Wall

[final glade]

pop out a subata or gk2 shot and then immediately have to reload

[random delta]

Only projectiles, not hitscan

[static mortar]

Single drak shot.

[random delta]

Nor particles

[random delta]

LOL

[iron sonnet]

I wish perks werent what they are now

[fallow maple]

Me firing off a barrage infector shot in the uplink

[iron sonnet]

Running the same deck on literaly everything

[random delta]

Yeah its unfortunate

[fallow maple]

Or maybe a bulk bulb

[plain vessel]

why are you shooting into the uplink?

[random delta]

Instant death

[fallow maple]

Funsies

[plain vessel]

to roll proxy, clearly

[fallow maple]

Proxy bulk bulb oh my

[iron sonnet]

I think rogue core perks are quite a bit better

As a system

[fallow maple]

Rolling ts into a swarmer nest

[plain vessel]

they are kinda the only source of your build outside of rng there, so they have to be good

[random delta]

Its also a roguelite

So ig meta progression matters a lot more

[iron sonnet]

Its interesting how some drg perks became during the run upgrades

Like vampire

Or iron will which became a retcon passive

[fallow maple]

I also dont really like rogue cores perks as much as here personally tbh

But thats for another channel...

[hexed marten]

is em discharge worth it

its my ONLY oc

💔

[static mortar]

Very

[final glade]

turret em discharge? it's like the best stubby oc

[hexed marten]

oh nice

first oc new save gg

[final glade]

I wish I liked micro conductor

[static mortar]

And MCAO, and Alloy, and Refire, stubby is goated.

[plain vessel]

why do you dislike it?

[fallow maple]

Its very good yeah

[final glade]

just don't like using it

no particular reason

not saying it's bad

[hexed marten]

best em build then?

i was on 22222 before

[plain vessel]

don't take electric arc

[static mortar]

21221 Discharge or 23121 Discharge.

[plain vessel]

and recoil reduction is not needed

[hexed marten]

ty

[final glade]

they gotta rework electric arc or something

[static mortar]

Stubby elec in general just sucks and then arc never procs.

[plain vessel]

they could just make it so taking arc increases the DoT damage

to like electro minelets damage

[final glade]

I love having a 1 in 8 chance at best for an effect that's aggressively mediocre

[hexed marten]

make elec instantly destroy any robot enemy even caretaker

skip all boss fights and betc fights

[fallow maple]

wait true

[final glade]

I kinda wish stubby just had like a non rng stacking dot

[fallow maple]

Fwiw electric stubby gets mega buffed (not arc) by the existence of OCs that benefit from it

[final glade]

gotta say I'm liking umc coilgun a lot

[plain vessel]

idk if I would call that electric stubby getting better, since the dot is the same sucky one, but I get what you mean

[flint hatch]

There's a weird bug that happens when several events that change the music happen close together, in this case it was calling the drop pod followed immediately by a swarm happening, and instead of playing extraction music or swarm music it just continued playing Absolute Zero and the game felt kind of surreal

[dawn prawn]

i thought it was gonna be some warframe type shit when i first saw that upgrade as a greenbeard 😔

its so bad

[fallow maple]

say less

[sterile torrent]

Fuck

[fallow maple]

<@&296918282403840000>

[sterile torrent]

another one

the rivals got em

[grave citrus]

Get on it hack c

[arctic sky]

Another has been lost to the Nemesis.

[celest goblet]

Cheers mods

[long ibex]

Does anyone here have any recommendations for a generalist hurricane build?

[static mortar]

xx2x2 Base/Frag/Overtuned/Salvo (The one you build it as)
11222 or 21212 Plasma Burster (Single Target Hybrid/Crowd Control)
31222 Minelayer (Crowd Clear)
2/3x1x2 Rocket Barrage (Hybrid)
22212 Jet Fuel (Single Target)
3x222 Cluster Charges (Hybrid)

Pretty much all of these can be used generally tbh, most specialized is Jet Fuel but just take coilgun for clear and it's back to general use.

[long ibex]

Thank you!

[shrewd hedge]

When playing Haz 5+, how much harder is More Bugs and Aggressive Bugs compared to base Haz 5?

[arctic sky]

More bugs doesn't really do much for some builds while making it hell for others.
Aggressive is a massive difference though. Faster movement and attack speed can be a killer.

[shrewd hedge]

I heard some people prefer maxing out those two settings over touching the other two at all

[crude iron]

please tell me the new hazard from the reclaimers pickaxe update stays

[arctic sky]

TE2 is a +50%-100% health to most enemies while PV2 makes grunts essentially tap you a few times to kill you.

[shrewd hedge]

Player Vulnerability is really frustrating, especially when paired with aggressive enemies

[wooden whale]

PV2 is preferable than TE2 for me

[shrewd hedge]

I heard some people say the meta actually starts to matter in Haz5+

[wooden whale]

Like sure everything can nearly 1 tap you but you still shoot guns that kills

[shrewd hedge]

Yeah but I'd rather just run more bugs and aggressive bugs

And not touch the other two modifiers at all

[wooden whale]

TE2 makes nitra economy unfun

[shrewd hedge]

I heard people say H5A is very unfair

[wooden whale]

I wouldn't trust random lobby with te2

[shrewd hedge]

You know, I kinda wish they'd add more modifiers for it, stuff like swarm frequency

[wooden whale]

Honestly swarm frequency might be a bad idea

[shrewd hedge]

I'm more in favor of having so many modifiers that H5A becomes borderline impossible

[wooden whale]

like on 4 resinite mission, it can be stressful cuz swarm wave aren't resetted after resinite swarm and you can get resinite swarm followed with normal swarm in like few seconds

Basically near 0 breathing room if you are not smart

[random mortar]

what's the reasons for female dwarves not being in drg again

i remember hearing a reason but i forgot what it was

[wooden whale]

I think it was voice actor?

I forgot

[shrewd hedge]

Yeah, but it'd be more fun than TE or PV

Because those two modifiers mess with breakpoints and make any mistake punish you heavily

Basically those two modifiers force you to play slowly and carefully

[wooden whale]

I think pv2 and te2 already do that

Like it already punishes you for being careless

Pv2 in movement and positioning, te2 in not shooting properly

[shrewd hedge]

I wish I could go more into detail about how mods approach the game's difficulty settings, but we'd have to switch channels

[wooden whale]

Te2 makes every class do it's job to avoid nitra starvation

Like scout focusing on hvt, gunner on tanky target, and driller/engineer focused on grunts and hvt in range

[shrewd hedge]

The issue is how TE2 affects breakpoints

Scout becomes effectively unable to do his job with the M1K because it can't reach breakpoints on his targets anymore, every class needs to invest more in every single bug killed

And if a bug gets the drop on anyone and bites their toes, they'll just die

Again, forcing the players to play slowly and carefully

I think swarm frequency instead of TE or PV would force players to play FAST to avoid nitra starvation instead of resorting to stalling out the bugs for the same purpose

[clever scroll]

Let him cook

[crude iron]

is

[clever scroll]

?

[crude iron]

reclaimers axe on ps when

[clever scroll]

Prob 2 weeks after it started on pc as usual

[crude iron]

ughhhh

hopefully the new hazard stays after it ends

[static mortar]

Early on they didn't have the resources to and now it would be too much effort on cosmetics and especially voicelines.

[heady root]

TE2 pitjaw

[hollow scroll]

Yeah Cycle Overload is pretty middle of the pack as far as Warthog overclocks go in my opinion. It does a ton of DPS but that's the only thing it does. It completely lacks range and goes through ammo like it's nothing. I do think it's much closer to the nearest overclocks above it (Stunner and MPA) than it is to the overclock right below it (I don't even remember what it's called but it's the ammo clean), but it's outclassed regardless.

[heady root]

how well does it handle wave clear compared to PA

[flint hatch]

Generally the shotgun seems kind of meh?

• Pump Action is good and you can one-hit Grunts at close range.
• Magnetic Pellet Alignment is not quite the shotgun slugs I'd hoped for and doesn't seem to give that much more range.
• Mini Shells exists, I haven't used it recently but I used to.

[fallow maple]

How is the DPS compared to PA? Without super speed isn't cycle just actually pretty good lol

[heady root]

i just feel like warthog only has PA going for it due to that ammo economy with the grunt one shot and anim cancelling mitigating its pump animation and reload

but then H5A removes that breakpoint and its just useless

[hollow scroll]

Whether or not meta matters is entirely dependent on personal skill. To someone trying to play vanilla Haz 5 for the first time ever, meta actually is going to matter and improve their performance. If you're more experienced then of course you don't need it as much. For Haz 5+ specifically, its meta is actually quite different from the rest of DRG due to PV really emphasizing survivability and TE2 just outright killing some weapons.

[shrewd hedge]

Yeah, killing the viability of some weapons is probably the biggest issue I have with TE2

[hollow scroll]

Warthog as a whole is not very good, yeah. Without overclocks it's at least probably better than LOK-1 but only if you have turret which. With overclocks it's just the worst choice and even its best overclock, Pump Action, cannot compete with Stubby's top 4 nor LOK-1's top 3 overclocks.

[fallow maple]

I don't think TE2 on its own is difficult in an interesting way. Bugs aren't considerably more pressure, I just need to spend longer shooting them lol

[heady root]

are there modded difficulties that mess with health and damage like H5A?

[merry musk]

shotgun isnt fun to use imo

I dont think ive ever had fun with it

[heady root]

from what i see everyone hates H5A basically

[merry musk]

you gotta have some strength to it

[heady root]

well PV2 and TE2

[merry musk]

for it to be fun at least

shotgun doesnt have any strength to it though

which is sad

I find myself only playing on higher difficulties now because with overclocks the lower ones are a breeze

shotgun falls behind a lot

[heady root]

it feels like the warthog stats are just merely meant for the way lower difficulties honestly

or powercreep

i dont even know if it has gotten touched

in a long long time

[merry musk]

probably newer overclocks

overshadowing it

[shrewd hedge]

I think PV and TE are the only issues with Haz 5+, the other two modifiers are actually quite fun, even if they're hard to do without a team that's either coordinated or just cracked

[heady root]

same for PGL both are ass

at base*

[merry musk]

dont think shotgun has any insanely good overclocks

[shrewd hedge]

H5A is just impossible unless your team is BOTH coordinated AND cracked

[random delta]

I don't use it for wave clear

[heady root]

it just has PA stunner and MPA going for it

[random delta]

I love cycle overload but I only use it to unload in prae weakpoint

[heady root]

and compared to those of gunner or other OC's its just

[hollow scroll]

Cycle Overload does 450 DPS while Pump Action without animation cancelling does 201.6. Though Pump Action can animation cancel for more DPS (I don't know how much more is a humanly reasonable estimate) and it being able to turret whip cycle while simultaneously shooting the enemies you're turret whipping also can do quite good DPS. Cycle Overload's 450 DPS is actually extremely high and ahead of everything else, it's just that its range makes it struggle to one-shot grunts and it even finds difficulty against simple mactera.

[heady root]

its "good OC's" are barebones when you compare it to anything else

[flint hatch]

I guess LOK-1 Smart Rifle is supposed to be the accurate ranged weapon for Engineer. I remember it being extremely ammo inefficient, but I haven't really used it since Season 1.

• Executioner. - Good for Dreadnaughts and possibly the Caretaker I guess, otherwise has abysmal ammo efficiency.
• Smяt Trigger OS™. - I think I've used it once, it's not as satisfying as getting a load of locks and then releasing the trigger though.
• Seeker Rounds. - Doesn't get used a lot. I've heard it can't hit weakpoints unless you fire manually.
• Neuro-Lasso. - I haven't used recently, I could have sworn it used to be an Unstable overclock. It seems okay, I guess.
• Explosive Chemical Rounds. - This is what literally everyone seems to use and that's why I find it so boring. Also, getting 3 locks and then releasing over and over kind of feels a bit cheesy and against the spirit of the game?
• Armour Break Module. - Armour breaking on the LOK-1 doesn't seem that useful I guess, I don't think I've used it.
• Eraser. - It's Clean overclock, so it's better than nothing.

[merry musk]

its ammo is fine because you kill everyone instantly

[hollow scroll]

They exist but mostly in the Chinese community. Western diffs tend to focus more on enemy count, enemy variety, and pacing pressure.

[merry musk]

really depends on overclock but

smart rifle is really like reallyyy good

[heady root]

oh hell nah

i havent see nthe chinese community

[merry musk]

especially for smaller things

[heady root]

😭

[merry musk]

like floaty bugs

or swarmers

its also good against bigger things with the correct mods

[heady root]

yeah H5A can have some very painful long times inbetween waves

in general H5A's game director is so RNG dependant between matches

[shrewd hedge]

I thought Exexutioner is the lok1's best OC because of how it lets him handle bulky single targets with relative ease

[heady root]

it could also swarm you non stop and put a buttload of stationaries

[merry musk]

it is its best OC

[heady root]

making it a nightmare

[shrewd hedge]

So the rest of Engie's kit can be devoted to crowd clear

[flint hatch]

It's really good, but from my experience it kind of sucks for dealing with anything else.

[merry musk]

nahhhh

[hollow scroll]

It's in a three-way tie for best

[merry musk]

your probably using it wrong

use it on swarmer enemies and bigger bugs

[flint hatch]

That honestly wouldn't surprise me lmao

[merry musk]

using it on a large crowd of enemies isnt good

[shrewd hedge]

You mean a two-way tie? I know ECR is good but what else is there

[merry musk]

use your other engi tools

[hollow scroll]

It's extremely good against HVTs but just bulky tatgets

[heady root]

smart

[hollow scroll]

STOS

[shrewd hedge]

Isn't that just Executioner but worse

[hollow scroll]

It's actually just Executioner but better in every single way except ammo economy

The ammo economy is so bad though that it nerfs it to being roughly on par rather than straight up better

[shrewd hedge]

And the lok1 is already infamous for its crappy ammo economy

tbf Engie as a whole is quite ammo inefficient outside of the Warthog I guess

[fallow maple]

yeah insofar as ammo and range are mostly a matter of positioning and gamesense than the gun, CO always felt fairly strong

[hollow scroll]

It doesn't make your ammo economy any worse, it just keeps the bad ammo economy of the base gun. But in exchange, it, relative to Executioner:

-does very similar weakpoint DPS

-does WAY more non-weakpoint DPS, as in just as much as Executioner's weakpoint DPS

-is way more responsive

-this responsiveness makes it actually capable of self-defense

-it also gives it higher TTK than Executioner even against weakpoints

The only downside is the ammo economy.

[shrewd hedge]

I think I'd prefer Exexutioner's burst damage even if STOS didn't have an ammo deficiency

[hollow scroll]

Technically STOS has better burst because its damage comes out faster. EXE has a delay.

[flint hatch]

So it's STOS actually good?

[merry musk]

no

use executioner

[hollow scroll]

Very, I consider it on par with EXE.

[shrewd hedge]

But against anything that can tank more than 6 shots Exe is better, isn't it?

[hollow scroll]

Casually ignoring everything I said in its favor

[hollow scroll]

Only in regards to ammo economy

[merry musk]

executioner is the undisputed better overclock

[shrewd hedge]

So STOS can kill a single target in the same amount of bullets faster than Exe can unload a burst.

[merry musk]

nothing else can beat it

[hollow scroll]

It's pretty disputed

[shrewd hedge]

That sounds incorrect

[merry musk]

yeah by you

and only you

[strong token]

Where would I go for Malt stars and Yeast cones?

[merry musk]

executioner also sounds more bad ass

[merry musk]

missions show what each gives

that or areas

[fallow maple]

its good but weird, I place exe above it most of the time personally

[merry musk]

I lowke dont check

[hollow scroll]

STOS is on the Buildonomicon which is a list curated in a collective effort by many individuals, all extremely good and knowledgeable players

So it's disputed by more than just me

[merry musk]

just say nerds

executioner is more bad ass

[shrewd hedge]

Don't those people still generally prefer Executioner

[fallow maple]

the fact that its on the buildnomicon is strange, the perspective that it's relevant to a discussion on h5 balance is stranger lol

[flint hatch]

Where does one find this Buildonomicon?

[hollow scroll]

Ah so you're just a troll that can't engage in a real discussion on the efficacy of various overclocks, got it

[merry musk]

its not a discussion if the other party doesnt care what I say or do

[shrewd hedge]

I know we're both vouching for Executioner, but like, shut up.

[hollow scroll]

It's linked in r/technicaldrg I believe

[merry musk]

they arent gonna agree with you

you know that right

these people dont agree with anything you say no matter what you say

[fallow maple]

I think nedya is perfectly capable of normal discussion if you choose to have it lol

[hollow scroll]

I would care about what you say because I like engaging in real discussion, it's just you're refusing to do that which makes me not care

[merry musk]

its funnier to rage bait them

[shrewd hedge]

What the fuck ever, I actually like having these sorts of debates

[merry musk]

maybe your both the same

good for you I guess

[fallow maple]

of all the people to get that kinda perspective on nedya and I disagree perfectly fine on STOS, they're a reasonable actor

[flint hatch]

Ah, found it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CBbpDaomcsSQDJ1EhRp5kJYBw2ObIYlmxqZoZH7jcuk

[fallow maple]

they just have their own opinions lol

[shrewd hedge]

Okay but this question of mine, was it ever answered?

[hollow scroll]

Not the same amount of bullets because STOS does less damage per shot than EXE. STOS instead gets its DPS from really high RoF. It takes more bullets to kill (unless you're shooting a non-weakpoint in which case they do the same damage per bullet), but STOS gets its bullets out faster.

[hollow scroll]

You should remove the masked link, I forgot to un-mask it once and got warned for it

[shrewd hedge]

I can't imagine the process of re-locking and re-firing the STOS results in a faster RoF for 8 bullets than Executioner

For anything more than 8 bullets, sure

[hollow scroll]

Generally yes but it's important to acknowledge that's largely just on a personal preference level and most people don't like how quickly STOS burns through ammo, which is fair. In terms of effectiveness, STOS is considered about on par (well it's strictly ahead, the inefficiency just brings it down to on par), people just like the efficiency of Executioner on a personal level.

[hollow scroll]

It does, you can look at the effective RoF on the wiki or check out Tanamr's analysis

[shrewd hedge]

That's fair, I just already struggle with ammo efficiency on Executioner as well

[fallow maple]

DPS and TTK are one of those stats that you can very easily say "this number is bigger so better" but in context exe shreds everything important you put in front of it with great speed. STOS has the kinda DPS range I just don't think is that important and in exchange you lose lokis bigger benefits for locking on and I have to take a more efficient secondary because unlike most guns this thing runs out so fast even I feel pressured lol

[shrewd hedge]

Is this taking into account the time Exe takes to lock? Because I wasn't considering that

[hollow scroll]

The main thing with STOS is bow much better it is against non-weakpoints, its actual self-defense capability, and its much faster TTK against low-health enemies like spitters and mactera.

[fallow maple]

I don't really care about this at all tbh

[shrewd hedge]

Sometimes the enemy doesn't show its weak point to you immediately, which gives Executioner time to lock on while STOS just has to sit there

[hollow scroll]

That is an aspect of TTK so yes

[fallow maple]

with a real primary I just run breach in 2ndary slot and shred non-wp anyway

but now with this I have worse than breach dps and I have to rock something like VIR to offset its economy

exe inferno just feels a lot better

[clever scroll]

What is the crap fest I saw that happened a few minutes ago

[hollow scroll]

That's another point actually, STOS better enables you to run VIR because of its self-defense, and having infinite range ignition and crowd clear is quite handy. Of course you still can take Inferno or Roll Control instead, but it really takes advantage of what VIR offers.

[shrewd hedge]

🤷‍♂️

[fallow maple]

well it doesnt better enable me to run VIR, I don't want to run VIR in the first place but I have to more with STOS

[clever scroll]

I just woke up, it's too early for a numbskull

[fallow maple]

It's low inertia

rather than picking something strong in the slot im shoring up its ammo weakness

[shrewd hedge]

I only have one engie build out of 15 that actually uses STOS. And I'm pretty sure the secondary was Spinning Death Breach to really lean into self-defense

[hollow scroll]

It's not to shore up its ammo weakness (though it can also do that), it's for the better crowd clear and for the infinite range ignition. Inferno has limited ignition range which then means Executioner's DPS gets lower at range if you're running Inferno because at some ranges you can't ignite the enemy for the damage bonus. VIR basically lets you always have that ignition bonus.

[clever scroll]

They can randomly spawn anywhere

In any biome

I don't know if there's a weighted spawn option for some biomes or not but very likely not

[shrewd hedge]

I do understand that STOS' effective RoF over a sustained period makes it better for self-defense than Executioner but I still prefer the latter's ammo efficiency

[fallow maple]

that doesn't make a lot of sense tbh. or rather, SToS beats exe when you think of it as more than just WP clear but the issue is if I think of it more than just WP clear and start using it for crowd now im double dipping crowd clear in both slots lol

[shrewd hedge]

Because ammo is something the Lok1 already struggles with regardless of OC

[fallow maple]

like I definitely am just picking this because im running out of ammo otherwise

[hollow scroll]

Why would you use STOS for crowds? I said nothing of the sort

[fallow maple]

if im just using it for wps im just taking exe lol

[shrewd hedge]

You wouldn't really use Exe for crowds either, at that point you run ECR

[fallow maple]

if im doing both im running ecr

[hollow scroll]

Non-weakpoint effectiveness doesn't automatically mean crowd clear, there are many scenarios where non-weakpoint DPS is important even against single targets and HVTs

[fallow maple]

such as

?

[shrewd hedge]

Well, corespawn for one

Their weak points are small and hard to hit, and they're also very mobile

Bulk's weakpoints go away if you shoot them enough

[clever scroll]

You just delete stuff faster even if you don't hit weakpoints?

[shrewd hedge]

I still generally prefer exe because of ammo, but maybe I'll try STOS more with a secondary that actually has a lot of ammo efficiency

What's engie's most ammo-efficient secondary, then?

[fallow maple]

VIR

that's why SToS and VIR feel so good together

[hollow scroll]

Breakable weakpoints (goo/frost bombers, detonators), weakpoints hidden from LoS (often septic spreaders, praetorians if in a tunnel, shellbacks), small weakpoints (grabbers, sometimes spitballers and menaces at the ranges you often encounter them, wardens), armor (stingtails, brundles, shellbacks again). Some of these are more or less impactful and common than others, but the point is, being good against non-weakpoints is quite beneficial. With EXE, if you fail to hit the weakpoint, you do very little. STOS meanwhile will still melt it regardless.

[clever scroll]

It would appear I've been out typed

[fallow maple]

yeah but if im running exe I just have actual ammo and a breach cutter to deal with these

I guess what im getting at is why do I ever want to deal with its real ammo constraints over just running better options

and the fact that it doesnt have traditional lock on

[hollow scroll]

The whole "better against non-weakpoints" thing is a big part of OFM being better than AISE as another example

[fallow maple]

I think mostly better against nonwp is kinda weakly bound to the game, most enemies that need to die fast have WPs with very rare exception for stuff like dreads anyway but it is a statistic

[shrewd hedge]

OFM's recoil is just annoying for me, at that point I'd rather run Bullets of Mercy assuming I'm not up against a dreadnought

[clever scroll]

Also technically applies to EMR and HAA on stubby, though I say technically because EMR is just too ridiculous

[grave citrus]

Eh loks ab is good enough they die really fast

[fallow maple]

that too, exe still eats stingtails lol

[hollow scroll]

They aren't strictly better, though. STOS outperforms EXE against nearly every enemy I mentioned, and also against mactera and spitters which are pretty important targets. I'm also not saying STOS is better, I'm just trying to say that these builds are at comparable levels to each other, and which is better largely comes down to preference. In this case you clearly prefer EXE which is fine. I personally don't even prefer STOS, I'm too EMR+RC-pilled. However I recognize that it has very good reasons for being strong regardless of my personal biases.

[clever scroll]

Lok-1 already technically has a type of armour break anyway

Something like how pellets work ig

[arctic sky]

What's a masked link?

[fallow maple]

I don't really think SToS is on exes level though tbh

[clever scroll]

Links with trackers iirc

[hollow scroll]

A link that is embedded into a piece of text

[shrewd hedge]

So either STOS for stronger and more consistent damage, or Executioner for more ammo economy

[hollow scroll]

No, that's a different thing

[grave citrus]

Idk what EMR RC pilled means but they're both fun ocs

[clever scroll]

Noted

[hollow scroll]

It just means I really like them and they are my preferred Engineer build

[vernal fog]

Which of the dwarves is most kissable?

[fallow maple]

you get some fairly meaningless dps and efficiency against some uncommon enemies and as a consequence have to take a weaker secondary in one of the strongest secondary slots in the game, including ignoring the secondary that trivializes these enemies.. and also lose traditional lock. I don't think the calclus makes much sense on it

[grave citrus]

Ah okay I just swap based on what in feeling, also my cosmetics for themeing

[fallow maple]

I don't think it's bad but I think its squarely third

[shrewd hedge]

I play all the classes relatively equally but even then Engie is my least played class

[hollow scroll]

Are they that uncommon though? I listed like, most HVTs.

[grave citrus]

My only really rule is one tool for crowds the other for not crowds meow

[clever scroll]

Em refire and roll control addict

[clever scroll]

Karl

[hollow scroll]

The loss of a traditional lock is also hardly impactful in my experience, but we've had that conversation before

[grave citrus]

Bro needs to try it's a bug thing

[fallow maple]

I think it's comparable on most of the common ones. they both eat septics, they both eat stingtails. Those are the relevant ones

[vernal fog]

inspired choice

[grave citrus]

It'll I leash his power

[fallow maple]

tradlock is just a weird skill to master but if you do losing tradlock feels really bad

[hollow scroll]

And it does noticeably better against literally all mactera and spitters, which I guess are irrelevant now

[fallow maple]

I mean they are when you're holding breach lol

that thing has RC

[grave citrus]

I have like 8 builds for engi hehe

[hollow scroll]

Which has the opportunity cost of not getting ignition damage bonus

[fallow maple]

oh no

it also has the oppertunity cost of I don't care rc breach killed everything anyway

[clever scroll]

You opened a can of worms

[lunar merlin]

pheramone bolts are fun :]

[clever scroll]

Yes

[fallow maple]

even inferno trivializes mactera though lol

[clever scroll]

BC in general does

Even spinning death, it just requires some funky angles

Or a tunnel

21312 StOS

[neat slate]

I’ve experienced all this game can offer me now 😔

Ocs unlocked, my outfits look cool, i’ve consistently beaten ME++ AE++, i’ve carried and been carried, my pickaxe has any paintjob that goes with any armor color

[grave citrus]

L bait

[gilded cypress]

i see me++ and ae++ and yet nothing more

[neat slate]

The rest is useless unfun grind for me

[neat slate]

Do note i am speaking from personal experience here

I find no fulfillment in grinding for anything else even though i very well can

gsg give me new ocs and my life is yours

[tidal monolith]

How do I get the hiveguard to stop looking at me so that I may shoot it's weak points

[grave citrus]

Pray

[plain vessel]

there is something else you could do

[plain vessel]

just strafe, the rock summoning animation stops it in place

[gilded cypress]

speedrun industrial sabotage on hazard 2 until you get the world record that's right

[long ibex]

My goodness, any gunner mains here have tips, I lose all the time on this class, I like to play on Haz 5 with extra enemies, and only on this class does it feel impossible to play.

[plain vessel]

shield to prevent bad situations rather than get out of them, if you weren't doing that already

what are your builds?

[gleaming trench]

Do you use lead stotm?

[long ibex]

I have tried leadstorm, rotary with agressive venting, big bertha, neurotoxin payload, a hurricane build with some random green overclock, cluster hurricane and the jetfuel hurricane and the only build i have found moderate sucess with is neurotoxin but i still lose alot

[plain vessel]

hmmm

[gleaming trench]

Dont always use single enemy builds

[plain vessel]

do you jump away from enemies when using your primary?

quote on quoe bhopping to alleviate the slowdowns

[long ibex]

I try my best to ussually what happens is i get overwhelmed, neurotoxin helps with that the most because they dont even attack me half the time with the fear

they just catch up and bite my ankles

[static mortar]

If gunner isn't eating enemies for breakfast than your builds are probably bad yeah.

Do also note slowdowns don't apply mid air, including the when firing your primary one, and remember to use shields.

[gleaming trench]

Try using the minelayer oc for hurricane

[long ibex]

Sadly its one of ones I dont have

[long ibex]

i am using 31313 on my leadstorm build, is that fine?

[gleaming trench]

Try an oc thats got good area damage but also not bad direct damage

[plain vessel]

if you can't run away from enemies, you should CC them
leadstorm (if you switch targets) and hurricane stuns and AC fear accomplish this
there's also the coilgun... buuut it's not the best for learning how to play well

[gleaming trench]

Leadstorm isnt always the best tho

[plain vessel]

idk who said that

[static mortar]

32(1/3)(1/2)3 is the build for that so mostly right but also leadstorm leadstorm is bad at survivability.

Unless you mean base minigun then it's 32x(1/2)3, both are a perfect coilgun pair which is insane survivability also.

[gleaming trench]

Its mostly single target but not bad with crowds

[long ibex]

im talking about the leadstorm oc

[gleaming trench]

I still remember when people loved lead storm oc in s5

[static mortar]

Pair it with coilgun and that's a great oc.

[gleaming trench]

Try using ziplines

[plain vessel]

don't actually use ziplines in combat

[long ibex]

Is the hellfire igniter overclok for coilgun worth using? Its the only one I have for it and I thouht it seemed neat

[plain vessel]

it is

LSLS + hellfire is like one of the most classic builds you can get

[gleaming trench]

Op

[long ibex]

yeah mobility in general causes alot of deaths for me on this class, i cant complete objectives quick enough and eventually get trampled

[long ibex]

i am currently using 23113 on the coilgun should i make any changes to that?

[gleaming trench]

If using that oc you need a. Reliable second for when getting chased or just use ur shield

[plain vessel]

hellfire takes 2(2/3)212
base/UMC takes (2/3)2213

generally

and if you don't want to hold back that is

[long ibex]

I really need all the help I can get on this class 😭

[plain vessel]

because if you use coilgun with t2b and t3b, you will get spoiled

[long ibex]

I want all the achievements but leveling gunner has been a slog and i have put it off forever

since i really really hated playing him until i gave him a shot after like 350 hours

now i just hat losing but winning as him is fun

[gleaming trench]

Do you play solo?

[long ibex]

Yes, pretty much exclusivley solo

its probably over 95% of my hours

[gleaming trench]

Using ledstorm oc without a ream is im ngl stpid

Team

[hollow scroll]

The key with surviving as Gunner is that what you lack for in mobility you make up for in being able to make every enemy just unable to fight you in the first place. Between shields and all of his stun, fear, and slow, Gunner is just untouchable if built and played well. Without overclocks, 312X2 Hurricane + 32213 Coil Gun has insane survivability, and also great crowd clear (and you can have decent single-target if you take weakpoint bonus on Hurricane).

[gleaming trench]

Just play someone else to help cover you

[gleaming trench]

He uses ledstorm oc rn

[static mortar]

Even minigun coilgun is insane survivability (cause you have coilgun)

[plain vessel]

not really if you bhop well

[hollow scroll]

Oh that's great, it pairs perfectly with Coil Gun as a single-target compliment

[long ibex]

I try this build too thanks for the help!

[gleaming trench]

I do bhop sometimes but I end up falling into the cave abyss do to my skill issue

Due)

[plain vessel]

walking into unknown territory while fighting tends to go badly, yes

[gleaming trench]

Unless im in a tunnel cave if not the big ones

Dont we all love chokepoints

[hollow fox]

what's the best scout loadout for elim

[dawn prawn]

conductive thermals + fire jumbo or shaped shells

[gleaming trench]

Chill with the builds

🔥

[rare hemlock]

man i've been trying to get some people to play drg but damm its been hard

[dawn prawn]

yaa i cant get anyone ik to play

[gleaming trench]

I wonder why

[dawn prawn]

most of my friends dont even have a pc tbf

[gleaming trench]

Had a friend wwho played with me in drg and he hasnt been online for a while

Im actually worried tbh

[dawn prawn]

i got my gf to try it but they barely got past conquer hoxxes and they say they dont like the game 😔

[gleaming trench]

Is she higher than 5.7?

[hollow fox]

i wanna high five bosco

[gleaming trench]

👍

[rare hemlock]

well theres no pc games going on right

[gleaming trench]

Theres tfc

[rare hemlock]

?

[shrewd hedge]

Does Born Ready perk work with Scout's boltshark

[gleaming trench]

Do you even play tf2

[fast spade]

yes it works with everything that reloads

[rare hemlock]

oh lol i thought you where naming someone

[fast spade]

this is not limited to your weapons

[gleaming trench]

Y but its 5 seconds so alot peple count fast

[hollow fox]

dwarfs can count?

[fast spade]

maybe

[gleaming trench]

Y

[shrewd hedge]

I didn't know if Boltshark counted because weapons that work with a heat meter or such don't, and Scout's boltshark is a unique case to me because of the weird way it "reloads"

[gleaming trench]

I can count to 7

[fast spade]

its just a single shot weapon with 2 ammo pools you can swap between with the reload button

[shrewd hedge]

Is it worth using Born Ready on it if my primary is the Carbine

[rare hemlock]

ok mabye haveing a name called AScout isn't the best in here

[gleaming trench]

Having a tf2 pfp isnt great either

[fast spade]

depends on the secondary, with the zhukovs i would say not as much since they reload so fast but boomstick and crossbow both get decent value from born ready, and at worst its still reloading your flare gun in the background

[gleaming trench]

Fakie

[rare hemlock]

?

[gleaming trench]

U play tf2 or not

[shrewd hedge]

alrighty then

[rare hemlock]

yes i do

[gleaming trench]

Then you prob heard of tfc

[rare hemlock]

yes ive know tfc

[gleaming trench]

Why were u confused when i asked lol

[rare hemlock]

i ask if theres any drg pc games going on and i here theres tfc i thougt its someone name

[gleaming trench]

You didnt say drg

[fast spade]

we are in DRG chat

its implied

[gleaming trench]

Mb then

[rare hemlock]

all good

but again theres no drg games going on in here for pc right

[mossy narwhal]

its interesting to me that low graphical settings doesnt really change the graphics in-game a whole lot but it just butchers the lighting like crazy

in the space rig specifically

idk why the spacerig is like fullbright at low settings

[fast spade]

shadows are relatively expensive to compute

[mossy narwhal]

current double warning mission is a low o2 swarmageddon point extract

behold

the worst mission of all time

[fast spade]

doesnt have haunted cave

not the worst

[mossy narwhal]

true it could be low o2 haunted cave point extract

[fast spade]

those ones are truly horrific

[heady root]

TEF + ED probably

ED is probably the best thing in the game for dreadnaughts ngl

[fast spade]

nah, that title belongs to conductive thermals drak

CT enables some truly ridiculous stuff you can do to dreadnoughts

[frank zinc]

super dumb question... I noticed that some missions have a lot of multiplayer open lobbies available to join, and some don't have any at all. Do people prefer specific types of missions or something?

[wise nymph]

Probably, yes

Also, hello fellow dwarfs
Rock and Stone!

[mossy narwhal]

Yeah, generally

People prefer shorter missions, or missions with modifiers like double XP

longer missions like IS tend to not get a lot of love

man lead storm oc is brutal

[cursive glade]

People mostly run complex missions like Sabo if it is in their assignment / it has Double XP

[frank zinc]

no idea what that abbreviation means lol but makes sense i suppose

[cursive glade]

Industrial Sabotage

[mossy narwhal]

Industrial Sabotage, mission where you fight the robots

[frank zinc]

I'm literally brand new so...

[cunning bane]

Wait why are station 17 team even needed to hear situation on the rogue-core situation, like they don't seem to be involved all that much and only needed to take out leaked corestones on the surface

[mossy narwhal]

all good

(theres a lot of abbreviations you wont know, just go with the flow)

mfers in here will be like "you dont use 21223 VB/VIM? the fucks wrong with you" and expect you to know what the automotive part number they just said means 😔

[wise nymph]

Where you fight the big ass Dorito, no?

[mossy narwhal]

yea

[wise nymph]

I figured

[mossy narwhal]

the huge pyramid

[cursive glade]

You can host a lobby if you want

A drone called Bosco will help you until another player joins

[mossy narwhal]

trying to think of a good gunner build

esp cause i dont really have good overclocks other than cluster charges though I prefer the minigun

really wish the elevator to the shooting range wasnt broken in the space rig smh, would be good to test ideas out without going into a mission

[static mortar]

Gunner has a lot of good builds even without overclocks tbf.

[lean harness]

Perhaps

[cursive glade]

Base minigun and coilgun is still pretty strong

[dawn prawn]

hurricane + brt kinda goated too

[strong token]

Does the driller's flamer even leave behind any flames on the ground? I only have the second tier of upgrades, is it laid out in a higher tier?

[shrewd hedge]

Yes, it does

[dawn prawn]

yeah shoot the ground

the sticky fire is really strong

[strong token]

I'm really not noticing it, then

[shrewd hedge]

It's more noticable with the tier 2 upgrade Sticky Flame Duration, because it'll last longer

[strong token]

I've not played long at all, probably my fault

[shrewd hedge]

You sort of have to intentionally shoot at the ground with it

[strong token]

ah so it's pre-emptive

[mossy narwhal]

just struggling to solo with him at high hazards methinks

his lack of mobility really shows lol

[cursive glade]

You have a shield

[mossy narwhal]

only four of em however

[dawn prawn]

be sure to shoot while jumping too

[mossy narwhal]

not exactly an unlimited resource

[cursive glade]

If you want you can run fear on coilgun

[dawn prawn]

gunner can still move but killing stunning and fearing everything helps too

[sour ingot]

[strong token]

Is the power smash on the pick good for mining?

[dawn prawn]

ye

[mossy narwhal]

ye, its good for basically anything

it does a ton of damage too on bugs

[dawn prawn]

u can quickly pickaxe, power attack, then pick again to mine a decent bit pretty fast

[uneven vale]

a power attack is as good as 5 regular pickaxe swings

it's fire

[oblique wolf]

anyone playing rogue core having stuttering issues

[fallow maple]

I was playing level 1 driller and one of the most noticable differences was the lack of power attack lol

[hot coyote]

eh its level locked?

[fallow maple]

Its a pickaxe upgrade

[glacial temple]

just spent over 30 minutes pinging the main room in an EDD just for noone to pay attention and actually fight in the main room like we said we would

got I hate randoms

brainless monkeys bro

[hot coyote]

i know but im pretty sure i saw it unlocked at level 1

[fallow maple]

You need materials to buy it lol

[hot coyote]

oh you mean locked behind materials

[glacial temple]

nothing I love more than wasting an hour and 20 minutes with some brainlets running around a resource depleted cave instead of actually fighting the dreadnought how we agreed to

[uneven vale]

pub experience

cinema

[hot coyote]

you mentioned that you’re a level 1 driller so i thought you meant locked behind a level which is like weird

[glacial temple]

is there anyone with a brain down to run through the EDD

I've been trying all week

[fallow maple]

Are you on pc

[glacial temple]

yeah

[fallow maple]

Sure.

[glacial temple]

mkl

[glacial temple]

alright it's open, password is 438

[fallow maple]

I sent you a request

[shrewd hedge]

Is it just me or are the Double XP modifiers mostly just going to IS missions nowadays

[glacial temple]

accepted

[light lance]

Does gravity change on some planets?

[dawn prawn]

theres a low gravity modifier on some missions

all biomes are on the same planet btw

[celest haven]

Gang what

This is illogical behavior

You could type in chat

You could maybe give up after realizing that it isn't working after the first 5 minutes to save yourself the headache

[strong token]

How do I use the lfg chats? What should I say?

[light lance]

Interesting

[drowsy cargo]

just watched the trailer, where is mission control

[worthy ferry]

lost his job to AI

[glacial temple]

I did

three times

[light lance]

There's something I don't understand. Right now I have several regions to explore the mines, but can I go to different planets later on, or can I only explore in Hoxxes IV?

[desert hedge]

only hoxxes iv

[light lance]

Ohhh i see

[stone parcel]

If Hoxxes IV is that good why don't they release Hoxxes V

[flint hatch]

Why do we never hear of Space Rigs 1–16?

[stone parcel]

Well, there are more than 16

And also I believe it was mentioned during the season 3 or 4 one of the space rigs was destroyed by the comet's fragment

[light lance]

I'm doing a mission to rescue M.U.L.E. with my friend and we found an escape pod. Is that common?

[stone parcel]

DRG owns 89

[stone parcel]

It's your primary objective lol

To escape with that old pod

[light lance]

What

[stone parcel]

Just play further and you will figure out

[light lance]

But I don't understand, if we have to rescue M.U.L.E., why not leave in escape pods lol

[stone parcel]

Because management wants you to rescue that old drop pod as well

[stone parcel]

"Back in one piece, good work. More bad news I'm afraid, Miners. Space Rig 5 has been struck head-on by a Rockpox meteor fragment. The station fusion core they um... all hands are considered lost." — MC's voiceline after completion of the 3rd mission in "Critical Corruption - Part II: Turning the Tide" assignment

[light lance]

I found a mini M.U.L.E., how do I get it?

[stone parcel]

The only MULE you can use is good old Molly

[light lance]

Yeah, I know, but I'm on a mission to recover two mini M.U.L.E.s and I just found one lying around, but I don't know how to grab it

[stone parcel]

You don't need to grab it you need to fix it

[strong token]

You need to find her legs :3

[stone parcel]

If you are confused, check miner's manual

[light lance]

I found the legs

[stone parcel]

It explains all mission types

[light lance]

But when I get close to the legs, I can't do anything with them

[stone parcel]

Accessed by pressing esc

Because you need to dig them out

[mossy narwhal]

trying out true solo for the first time, damn

you dont realize how much weight bosco carries until hes gone smh

haz 4 is actually semi-stressful again

[shrewd hedge]

What's the best way to deal with a Greater Core Stone without zipline cheese?

Genuine question

I was thinking cryo builds and shields

[light lance]

Okay, I know exactly what I have to do. I found the legs, but I can't grab them

YEAH

[stone parcel]

I already said that you need to dig them out

[light lance]

I was finally able to pick them up

[static mortar]

Cryo cannon especially crystal nuc, slow sludge, stun spam hurricane, autocannon fear especially on NTP, bullet hell, phero spam, boomerang spam, cryo nade spam, IFG spam, MCAO, Discharge, Fat Boy + lures, lures in general, Roll Control, Spinning Death, coilgun, stun RJ, shields, stun C4, Grapple Hook.

Anything known for good damage avoidance either by self mobility or enemy immobilization/slowing.

[fallow maple]

boomerang meta...

[static mortar]

Phero is the best of the scout nades, oh and for this too

But all of them slap for CC of corespawn, boomerangs hold on due to their lower numbers compared to typical grunt stuff even.

[stone parcel]

Ah... nade stands for grenade...

[lunar merlin]

I FINALLY PROMOTED!!!

[mossy narwhal]

haz5+ cryo, shields, grapple hook, anything to keep you out of harms way, every other hazard below haz5+ honestly the corestone arent that bad and can be kited and dodged when they jump imo, i feel like numbers are kept pretty reasonable (outside of haz 5+ 2x bugs)

[mossy narwhal]

hell yeah, now the REAL game starts

[static mortar]

They also only spawn so many per phase of the core stone so keep that in mind.

[stone parcel]

So is there a fixed number of crawlers spawned at a time new stage starts?

[lunar merlin]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I NEED TO PAY FOR IT

[stone parcel]

These dwarves just don't listen to MC when he warns destruction of company property results in fines

[shrewd hedge]

I'm trying to settle a debate with someone that thinks corespawn without zipline cheese is either stupidly difficult or straight-up impossible

[mossy narwhal]

at haz5+ i would say that corestone without zipline cheese is stupidly difficult, not impossible ofc, but stupidly difficult

to the point where I think it would be outright impossible for a class like gunner to do it

engi and driller have enough crowd clear to probably thug it out, scout can evade basically everything

[static mortar]

The difficulty of it is vastly overstated but it's still a hard event tbf.

But for the warning in specific you know it's gonna be there so you can at least build for the stupidly overpowered counters to balance that.

[shrewd hedge]

Yeah that's my point

[static mortar]

And there's a lot of stupid corespawn counters.

[shrewd hedge]

You already listed a bunch of them so I know

[lunar merlin]

okay i was able to trade for materials but now i need 7 thousand dollars

cool

how much money would a golden bugs point extraction get ?

[vocal nacelle]

welcome to the evil greedy corporation

enjoy your (eternal) stay

[lunar merlin]

bweh

[vocal nacelle]

it's like Hell, but in space and with giant spiders

(and beer)

[light lance]

Okay, my friend and I failed the recovery mission because I accidentally hurt him and the monsters ended up destroying me. Now, when I try to return to the same region, it says there are "parasites" lol

[cursive glade]

did you read the fine print

[lunar merlin]

wait how many legs do glyphids have

[lunar merlin]

i skimmed it

[vocal nacelle]

8

[light lance]

Low oxygen? Is that just a penalty, or am I not high enough level to go there?

[lunar merlin]

oh

[vocal nacelle]

it's a warning

[lunar merlin]

i thought they had 6.... my bad

[light lance]

wow

[vocal nacelle]

extra challenge for extra reward

if you're wondering about what it does, open up the miner's manual and read description

[light lance]

"scrab nesting area" what does that mea

[vocal nacelle]

(escape menu, top left corner)

[light lance]

Ok

[stone parcel]

Mission pool changes every 30 minutes

[light lance]

Oooohh i see

[stone parcel]

Warnings add more problems to you but also more rewards

[lunar merlin]

how many bugs with golden bugs on would i have to kill to make 5k?

[stone parcel]

I believe you can even just click on it when choosing the mission

And it will automatically open needed page of the manual

With that warning highlighted

[stone parcel]

A lot

[lunar merlin]

oh

[cursive glade]

the miners manual actually explains most game mechanics really well for new players

[light lance]

Understood, it's probably blocked, I can't go there, I guess because of my low level

[stone parcel]

1000 if you play on haz 5

[lunar merlin]

Oh

[stone parcel]

It doesn't depend on level

Finish your first assignment

And you will have all missions unlocked for you

[light lance]

Oooooooh

[stone parcel]

Besides industrial sabotage

You need another assignment for it to unlock

[stone parcel]

Missions you need for your assignment are marked with rhombus symbol

[grave citrus]

I never read it I just played confused for at least 100 hours

I didn't know grunts had a weakpoint

[stone parcel]

I read after 50 hours

[cursive glade]

i didnt know that grunts had armor

[stone parcel]

And thanks to it I learned I can get max hp boost if I buy all armor modifications

[cursive glade]

i just thought it was their skin

[grave citrus]

King

[grave citrus]

Hahahah meow

[lunar merlin]

ehat does blackrock lager do in getting paranoid cause nothing looks different

[lunar merlin]

meow

[stone parcel]

Just spooky vision

And unique voicelines

And 40-50% of drunkenness

The fastest way you can get drunk besides blackout stout

[cursive glade]

"It's not the beer, honey, it's the mileage!"

[pulsar tiger]

just listened to mission control tell us that the tanker pod and pump jack has arrived like 50 times in the latter half of the deep dive's final stage

his voicelines got bugged and just kept playing that over and over whenever he didn't have anything else to say

[stone parcel]

I literally had the same 😭

That was driving us crazy

He is revenging for mushrooms fr

[pulsar tiger]

Has to be related to the deep scan bug where he says the Drillevator arrival line like 4 times in a row

[nimble grove]

i just need to complain about this bc i finally got my pc set up again after a month
still getting that "directx not installed" error that's a windows/bios level issue and i'm sad i can't get that pickaxe without doing a ton of work to solve a problem in the pc mines

[echo gorge]

hii

[cursive glade]

install directx 11/12

microsoft should have a download link to them

alternatively you can try using dxvk

actually nvm i cant find a download link for dx12

seems like its baked into windows 11

try dxvk then

[echo gorge]

here's a tutorial on yt: https://youtu.be/hvL1339luv0?si=-lqJM2hxxf_yzVJQ

[nimble grove]

you don't understand - it is installed

windows issue

[crude relic]

Try updating all of your drivers

Used to happen to me a lot

[quaint patio]

Soo, is anyone else scared deep rock galatic is going to just straight up die when rogue core launches?

[proper pulsar]

Not really, if it ever dies, it dies on its own, and even that isn't happening anytime soon

Not to mention the devs definitely have not ditched DRG

[stone parcel]

Dead game lol 😔

[heady root]

gunner can coilgun cheese it

[hallow torrent]

it wont die because all the veteran playefs already werent playing drg in the first place

[heady root]

driller is driller his hard CC is plenty and well he has power drills for it

scout can just kite infinitely and keep power attacking the stone

i feel like engi

is the most vulnerable

[hallow torrent]

ask any regular drg chatter there's a high chance they havent played drg in months-years

[heady root]

he has no phero or anything of the sure aside of lure and no zipline or good mobility

is it just me or are pubs

struggling HARD

on this new event

[grave citrus]

Good point, counter point I just made the trashman with cosmetics

[heady root]

like i havent had a pub where the entire team was wiped and i had to kite the event out

they either start it without being ready

or just die

[hallow torrent]

thats just normal for these new events

[heady root]

although i understand that H5A crawlers are quite

demonic

[hallow torrent]

theyre not brainrot easy like most drg players expect

[heady root]

but honestly 99% of the people in pub H5A

are not up for the difficulty either way

[hallow torrent]

i honestly like the difficulty curve

[heady root]

worst offender is gunner mains from what ive seen

even with the zipline cheese they just

dont break the stone

they expect you to do it for them or somehow die with coilgun

[grave citrus]

That's why I main bosco

[hallow torrent]

i mean i wouldn't go down there myself

[grave citrus]

You r gunner

[hallow torrent]

a scout or driller is much more efficient

[heady root]

well they are just gonna sit there and let it

run indefinitely then

[grave citrus]

Bro sending the scout

[hallow torrent]

what are you playing?

gunner??

[heady root]

engineer

[hallow torrent]

he has the best survivability in the game

[heady root]

again i havent had a pub where my team doesnt wipe

so i just have to solo kite it

[uneven vale]

from my testing the only thing that fucks you over even with good movement and experience is how jagged the arena is

[hallow torrent]

just a skill issue

[heady root]

and H5A crawlers are a pain

[grave citrus]

Not against core spawn 😭 unless you have phero

[heady root]

i just understand

how gunners are dying

to the event

even on H5A

coilgunners

to be more specific

[uneven vale]

grapple

literally the best survival tool

[grave citrus]

While mining the rock

????

[heady root]

coilgunner could just walk up

[uneven vale]

you have grapple

[heady root]

and still do it chilling

[uneven vale]

take chips from it

[hallow torrent]

your teammates should be providing cover

??

[uneven vale]

what are you gonna mine it in one go?

that's dumb

[grave citrus]

15-20 business days got it

[hallow torrent]

what do you think gunner and engi is doing up there

[uneven vale]

eh ur slow then

[grave citrus]

Mi bombo

[uneven vale]

and what are ur teammates doing

[hallow torrent]

yeah?

do you not??

[grave citrus]

Ziplines

Meow

[hallow torrent]

just mine it and grapple up

[uneven vale]

if I'm solo in h5 yeah I do it to not die

[lunar merlin]

what causes the patrol bots to turn peaceful? is it just random chance on death?

[grave citrus]

[hallow torrent]

i mean solo h5 is a different situstion

[grave citrus]

Hackerman

[hallow torrent]

you aren't covered by your teammates

[grave citrus]

Horror game

[hallow torrent]

not really

imo

[uneven vale]

but with teammates you usually have driller worrying about that, not the scout

[heady root]

you could afford to do it on H5 or if u running pheros

[uneven vale]

nah

[grave citrus]

glyphid growls in the background

rock and stone

[lunar merlin]

like if they get too close to hacksy?

[heady root]

but mining the whole thing in one go in H5A 4 man scaling is pretty risky

just run up to it

power attack it

go away

repeat

[grave citrus]

Naur you just hack it

[uneven vale]

fuck 5a it's not balanced well enough to be relevant

[lunar merlin]

yeah, what causes them to be hackable instead of just dying

[hallow torrent]

the balancing is just forcing you to play meta

[heady root]

eh maybe?

kinda

honestly mainly a dps check not a super meta check

[hallow torrent]

????

[heady root]

i only run ODB engi on engi

[hallow torrent]

thats literally the same thing brah

[heady root]

ODB aint meta

but its got the damage

so it still works

[hallow torrent]

odb is very much meta

[uneven vale]

meta tends to be the best dps

[heady root]

on H5A?

[hallow torrent]

it has one of the highest burst dps

[grave citrus]

Random

[heady root]

i would say hard CC

is more of the method

not something that makes you stand still but again

i do fine with it so

[lunar merlin]

thank you

[heady root]

pretty good still

[grave citrus]

Y'all have to start trying diff loudouts fam or you'll get bored

[grave citrus]

No problem

[grave citrus]

I take meows as payment

[heady root]

odb is just too fun

[grave citrus]

That's fair

[heady root]

dont you like seeing a oppressor die instantly

[grave citrus]

Bzzzzztt

Shard is my s/o's fav gun

[heady root]

atleast i aint running the same roll control build half the greybeard engis run

[lunar merlin]

mrraow meow meowwww mrowmrowmrow mrraaaa

[grave citrus]

It fun though uwu

You spin me right round baby right round

[delicate tapir]

only 6 days till rogue core miners!

[flint hatch]

6 days and 11 hours, it releases at <t:1779292800:t>.

[sleek hill]

Eeeee

[delicate tapir]

mann why does bullddog has no way to increase AB

[sleek hill]

Is bullet hell good?

[delicate tapir]

very good for crowd control

u will want to bring smth else for dps

[sleek hill]

Buldog with elephant rounds should be fine for that right?

[lunar merlin]

okay NKW i finally get to promote

[delicate tapir]

elepant round bulldog is high burst dmg

so i wouldnt say its good dps

lead storm brt7 can be ood

mole coilgun is also decent

but its elephant round is alr

[lunar merlin]

HOLY SHIT HE SAID IT

[sleek hill]

U mean lead spray or is there another lead mod?

[delicate tapir]

just keep trial and error ur way

i mean lead spray

mb

[south smelt]

em discharge is op because it makes me stop forgetting about my fucking turrets

why is there a micro delay between pressing ctrl and marking

makes bosco less cool

[silent crystal]

so what class is most important, what do you think

[grave citrus]

Dead

[grave citrus]

Scout cause I like to see

And if your scout sucks you have no ammo

Only reason my scout is 1 prom away from my engi

[silent crystal]

why? aaaa becouse he is the one who finds nitra

[grave citrus]

Me in salt pits without a scout

[uneven vale]

maybe don't pump it all into shit your teammates can clear with half as much effort

[grave citrus]

[swift lantern]

the working class

[grave citrus]

[silent crystal]

or more like a player with brain????

[grave citrus]

Normiesnail

[uneven vale]

hell yeah

WAIT I MISREAD

DAMN

@grave citrus gomenasai ✌️

[swift lantern]

the class who works

[uneven vale]

but yeah you're right

scout makes nitra gathering easy

mb cuh

[silent crystal]

driller? he is employer of the month

[swift lantern]

employer? hell no

[silent crystal]

hell yes

[swift lantern]

we shall work for the fruits of our labor without a middle man who takes half of it

[waxen sky]

Mission Control is employer of the month

[swift lantern]

mission control is still working class

[waxen sky]

Lmao

[grave citrus]

I didn't even understand the response but nps 😭

[silent crystal]

i think gunner is mandatory member of all squads

no gunner no fireppower