rogue-core-chat

[viral merlin]

game is great if you want a combat oriented version of DRG
if you want a casual experience do NOT try rogue core

[signal moon]

I love it so far, but im also not that deep into the game

[agile river]

honestly? if you're on the fence wait for atleast the first update, depends how much you liked deep rock and how much you like rougelikes

[sudden briar]

not unfair but stupidly hard

[signal orbit]

Not the primary one, but definitely something that needs adjusted.

[wheat dust]

isnt their point to be punishment for waiting around for too long

[south mortar]

i picked 200% armor breaking

[viral merlin]

yes, while giving you the chance to fight back

[plush edge]

yeah, and they’re hard countered still by keeping your head on a swivel

[brazen surge]

For me personally, based on what people are saying about the upgrade system I wouldn't play with randoms right now. A total blast with friends. A significant but rewarding challenge solo. Outside of that there's definitely some jank they're still working through.

[knotty kite]

I wouldn’t say unfair just unforgiving

[hazy patio]

It's been 8 years since that was released. The fact that we still have 30 dollar games is pretty amazing. Meanwhile people pay 80.for Switch Games that don't get even a tenth of the playtime depending on the game. Would 25 have been more fair? Maybe. But 30.isnt outrageous either. Definitely not if we get 5 or more years of content for free again.

[sudden briar]

YES
you should be avoiding them and it's entirely possible to

[midnight plaza]

Its DeepRock without the heavy mining and differing objectives, its a Roguelite without meaningful meta progression

[wheat dust]

Prty much i did lose one run to them but mostly due to me being dumb

[sharp current]

i could agree to another minute and maybe 10 seconds grace for the worms but idk it seems fine to me

[viral merlin]

yeah I still thing rogue core being $30 is perfectly fine I just think it looks kinda bad since theres 2 deep rock games now that are both FPS games

[sudden briar]

there's meta progression

[stable monolith]

i'd say watch some gameplay and get an idea for whether or not the gunplay looks fun to you, cuz thats gonna be the main appeal of the game. this game is naturally gonna be more divisive as a much more focused experience than deep rock galactic so really i think what it mostly comes down to is how much you like the idea of prioritising combat and efficiency over anything else from DRG

[tall plume]

meaningful meta progression

and I have to agree that it's lackluster atm

[knotty kite]

Now I wanna watch markaplier play GTFO again

[plush edge]

we’re guaranteed a lot of content, ik we’re at least getting 2 years worth of heavy updates while they move to a 1.0 release

[civic minnow]

honestly so far besides that timer, everything else I like it, and cant wait what will they come up next.

[viral merlin]

I feel like you already get the grace period since the worms still have to make it to you

[young abyss]

Hey does anyone know where the motion blur setting is? i for the life of me cannot find it if there even is one

[glass karma]

i kinda feel the perks are kinda boring ttheres nothing especially special about them, just stat boosts

[midnight plaza]

without meaningful meta progressing, little stat buffs is not true roguelite

[sudden briar]

fair enough

[plush edge]

i do agree with this, i’d like reclaimers to have their own skill trees to customize their abilities properly

[vapid lintel]

Same im thinking now should i buy or not, but they removed some features and it feels like downgrade, and the force randomizer each match i kinda dont vibe with. Far far west has random elements as well but at least i can chose what weapons i play each match and im not forced to play weapons i dont like.

[midnight plaza]

Instead of a classbased upgrade tree, its a generic general upgrade tree consisting of little stat upgrades

[cunning mulch]

idk why but I never got the achievement for beating the tutorial

[stable monolith]

I'd like it if you could unlock more weapons or upgrades to add to the loot pool, outside of bio boosters

[brazen surge]

My idea to make perks interesting is to have class-specific perks. You could mix and match the generic perks with up to 2 class perks or something maybe. Just tweaks on abilities to match your play style

[midnight plaza]

What if I want two Falcons? No, you get 5% more ammo

[gaunt mural]

I like this idea

[inner granite]

You can re-beat tutorial

Or just SAM it in

[icy flume]

"No free slots on team" - better just reload the whole game then. 😐

[gaunt mural]

Unlimited upgrades on infinite levels, 20 falcons just flying everywhere around the map 😄

[cold solstice]

Sam is for liars and cheats

[warped nexus]

... Why is there a camera in the shower room

[mighty coral]

bio boosters do this

[viral merlin]

sounds like it just isn't for you then? the randomness is sorta the whole point

[plush edge]

how else does omega get money for the reclaimers?

[inner granite]

Omega sees everything

[devout zenith]

deep rock glaactics rogue core too much bugs yesterdya

[waxen mural]

Anyone else not get the 500 merits for joining the discord?

[viral merlin]

isnt that like what the deck swapping already is

[summer tiger]

On D1 timer is plenty long, about 14 minutes per stage. You get a lot of time to mine all the Expenite, fight through wave and do the event plus extraction sequence. If you struggle, stay on D1 untill you don't. During playtesting we felt like there was not enough pressure to proceed, reaperworms put the pressure on you. It was a much needed change.

[vapid lintel]

Yea thats why im saying drg is a better game than what ever this is. Sad 😞

[glass karma]

the only bug ive seen was the boss instantly dying

[rigid gate]

im gonna refund and wait. basic stat increases for upgrades just aren’t fun at all, negotiations are the worst feature in a roguelite ever, and the gameplay loop is uninteresting. Hope this game sees success but if this is what we have after 3 years then idk

[inner granite]

Remember that RC is still in EA

[wheat dust]

I mean the charm of rouge core in my opinion is to thunk on the fly and optimize around wepons you dont like using because there are not better options and you get ample oportunities to even switch wepons at workbenches.

[warped nexus]

I did not either, figured I hadn't gotten to a point where it'd get rewarded

[icy flume]

this would be a good use of the "card system" from back4blood, imo

[hazy patio]

Good to hear. I think new mission types is an absolute must. DRG is very good in that regard with every type having its own feel and fans.

[nimble gust]

The pressure to proceed is beating the mission

[brazen surge]

The main difference is the decks, while specific to a class, give generic stats still.

[visual linden]

I think the issue with the timer is that it doesn't really add anything besides encouraging you to play faster

[sonic carbon]

I haven't played rogue core tf is a negotiation system

[viral merlin]

the negotiations are the best part of rogue core

[hallow chasm]

I just tried the game for the first time ❤️❤️❤️ ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT but why don't the Reclaimers mention Karl..? ;_;

[summer dew]

you share the upgrades with the whole team

[carmine zenith]

karl isn't real

[rigid gate]

i understand that, but FFW is also early access and on day 1 it was more of an enriching experience than rogue core

[plush edge]

karl is mentioned near the gym on a screen

[visual linden]

They want to to play faster in a game with no meaningful movement mechanics mind you

[uncut folio]

Eh? There’s a lot of cool stuff there like recharge on kill, hitscan dealing AOE

[viral merlin]

why would there be any other reason to have a timer

[young abyss]

HE IS REAL TO ME!

[sonic carbon]

that sounds interesting

[nimble gust]

You all take turns picking upgrades and starter gear from a shared pool.

[sly wolf]

In my experience randoms are pretty smart and respect the heart mark

Had only good experience for now

[carmine zenith]

you're not real

[brazen surge]

okay maybe the spotter ones just suck lol

[young abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaa-gif-14892085788746462862

[twilit nebula]

I refunded the game, for me it's still not finished enough to be enjoyable

[rigid gate]

no, I just don’t want to sit around and wait for my team to pick out silly upgrades several times per stage or even in the MIDDLE OF A FIGHT which wastes time and kills the thrill and momentum in the game

[plush edge]

yeah the main pressure of the negotiation system is social, EVERYONE gets to see you take what someone else had dibs on, for most people that’s a bigger motivator than you’d think

[inner granite]

YOU are not real

[hazy patio]

Given how good the DRG players have been to me in general, I expect this to mostly carry over to RC. In my 3k hours, it's been awesome 99.9% of the time.

[summer tiger]

You get to choose upgrades from shared pool, you can mark those you want to have and it's up to the other to leave it to you. In most cases people respect hearts

[charred rock]

Only will get better with time

[viral merlin]

yeah in my 7 hours i've had ONE upgrade EVER taken from me that I had hearted (didn't play any solo matches)

[vapid lintel]

If they add custom loadout then maybe i buy, i dont like to be forced to play weapons i dont like.

[wheat dust]

Maybe idk i havent played all the classes yet but falconeer has a lot of cards centered around electric attacks and the drone's shock

[summer dew]

you will play the bulldog revolver as your primary 👁️

[charred rock]

The whole point is its random my g

[summer tiger]

Wait untill you need to upgrade to heal up during swarm, quite a relief

[carmine zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/blows-you-up-with-mind-gif-2633489430227586185

[uncut folio]

The spotter ones are quite boring, you can look at each deck on the loadout screen

[rigid gate]

even still it’s annoying to stop what im doing, group up, and wait 30s just to get an upgrade

[brazen surge]

it might be a case where there just isn't parity with the attention put towards making the decks actually interact with the classes mechanics

[plush edge]

i understand this, but a big part of the game is that you might not get a weapon you’re used to

[midnight plaza]

Even more so Activating my falcon requires me to press 2 buttons simultaniously?

[summer dew]

yeah and its honestly flawed LOL

[wheat dust]

Yea fair you dont like it the game is not for you but i like the way it works as someone who plays a lot of rouglikes and lites.

[visual linden]

In risk of rain (the most prominent rogue like with a timer that likely encouraged this) it is something to be managed, you exchange time to loot more at the cost of the game getting harder slowly. It works well there because it is player driven imo

[charred rock]

In what way? Its a roguelite

[echo gale]

thank you for recognizing the difference after an entire day of people being wrong about it

[sly wolf]

Bro hates rogue aspect of roguelite game

[vapid lintel]

Upgrades can be random not the whole kit, its just too much, like i want to main a weapon

[midnight plaza]

and the other abilities are just the ability button + another key? Why not just make it a singular key, and rebinding doesnt work for the main ability

[summer dew]

no i just hate bad mechanics that are bad for no reason

[brazen surge]

And actually, the decks are meant to be swappable, so they can't directly affect the abilities in the way I'm saying. For example what if spotter had a way to instead of his mark increasing crit interactions it increased status interactions?

[feral flicker]

it's a rougelike game I think yall just forgot to read the tags this game is lowkey awesome already I've been having an absolute blast

[echo gale]

"no reason" after 3 years of dev

[charred rock]

I understand but that was the whole point of the game

[glass karma]

ror2 doesnt exactly have a sudden spike where you can get one tapped

[summer dew]

idc that its random, why is it shared

[sly wolf]

RoR2 timer is badly balanced, its always more optimal to not give a fuck about it and just loot

You will always overpower the game this way

[cold solstice]

The anti gravity tool is amazing

[uncut folio]

Workbench upgrade is where that can happen

[wheat dust]

Yea some ppl just dont like change or new ideas because its "not like the original" but thats the point od it being a spin off rouglite and not DRG 2 Glyphid boogalo.

[glass karma]

ror2 is also just much more smooth

[summer tiger]

If you wait 30 seconds for people to group up then you are doing something wrong. You should be upgrading on worbenches, biobooster, events, elevators and tunnel entrances. Anything else is just too slow.

[viral merlin]

its not sudden, you are constantly warned about it and you get to fight back against the one tap before it happens

[charred rock]

Exactly....

[brazen surge]

ah, maybe I just haven't seen enough of them then yet

[vapid lintel]

Well then its sad😞 i was waiting for this game so long

[feral flicker]

I have been doing the same in this game it works fine in most runs

[uncut folio]

That specific upgrade isn’t in the game now but my point is if it were added, that’s where you’d find it

[sly wolf]

Same, which is why I dont understand the timer complains at all

Its easily managable

[glass karma]

i dont exactly mind it but its nothing like ror2 timer cause the worm thingies just appear after a treshold

very much sudden

[rigid gate]

no, 30s during the selection process. i don’t want to bother taking turns period it’s an unneeded teamwork mechanic in a game where people are already plenty friendly

[feral flicker]

no seriously dude! I'm so annoyed it's getting review bombed the balancing is gooood

[plush edge]

i’d really like a firing range in the ramrod, there’s weapons i’m not used to and while i enjoy all of them, i’d really like to be able to actually practice them before a mission

[summer dew]

probably for other reasons

[summer tiger]

People need to read them first, once they get used to the names and icon the choices will be made within 15 seconds

[glass karma]

voiceline in the game 😭

[charred rock]

No, they appear at the END of the timer, quite literally. Manage your time and ull be fine

[cunning mulch]

we have a simulation for the tutorial they could easily just have the firing range be VR

[brazen surge]

ah gotcha, that seems like a possibly fair way to do it. I still feel like there should be something class specific in the meta progression to spice things up a bit. But I think with how they currently have the game structured workbench is where it would fit best

[visual linden]

Well I'm not advocating for the removal of the mechanic personally, I just believe it is not an interesting mechanic in its current state, it's fine to keep the player moving, but I think GSG can do better than an arbitrary "immortal cave leeches spawn now"

[uncut folio]

I mean it is slowly going to positive, it just hit that with English reviews

[summer dew]

a firing range is useless bc its a roguelite tho 😭 right?

[plush edge]

even cooler, add a firing range and make it so hitting good shots on targets gives some workout points for beer lol

[viral merlin]

i mean certain bosses can suddenly end up spawning in ror2 and fuck you up, its more sudden than in rogue core and in ror2 you can only guess as to when it could happen

[feral flicker]

not reallyyyy it could still be fun

[gentle zephyr]

there are specific guns that shoot in different ways and i dont think most of the modifiers actually change the base function of the gun

[summer dew]

well they should, bc thats what makes roguelites fun and addictive

[wary cypress]

How are people feeling the game? I know I should be smart and financially hold off for a couple weeks but I'm feeling the irresponsible pull lmao.

[viral merlin]

the upgrades don't change the guns enough for it to be useless

[plush edge]

yes and no, it’s nice if i find a weapon, have no clue what it’s about, swap it out, and then can go to the firing range after a mission to figure it out for the next time i find it

[urban field]

So rogue core is now mostly positive on steam

[feral flicker]

DO IT DO IT DO IT!!

[rigid gate]

the whole gimmick has to go honestly. Theres really no point in having it. I don’t mind timers but at least make the game move faster lmfao

[viral merlin]

if you want a FAST PACED drg experience chech it out
if that doesnt sound like fun then don't try it

[nimble gust]

Literally the point, I want my smg to potentially shoot like a flamethrower etc

[raven valley]

They can make overclocks in a non-roguelite, surely they can think of something even bigger

[feral flicker]

hell yeah

[glass karma]

and yeah i think the upgrades could be more meaningful

[summer dew]

yeah, drg rogue core fails here

[plush edge]

there’s a couple, but i have VERY RARELY seen them, i think the missile launcher (why can’t i remember its name? gunner has it) can spawn with the overclock that removes the guided nature of them

[nimble gust]

True, needs more insanity

[crisp ruin]

Hurricane missle launcher, salvo module overclock

[jaunty heath]

Quick question - does anyone else having the same Lost connection to Server problem, whenever I try to join any server? Is there any way to fix it? I somehow managed to connect to one server yesterday after trying a dozen, but I can't anymore right now

[rigid gate]

This too, like say what yall want abt negotiations but at the end of the day plain stat upgrades just aren’t fun, and this is especially disappointing considering we had unstable cores to play with in base game

[crimson pollen]

i think levels need better upgrades: i dont wanna get 2% more weakspot damage every full moon when, and only when, im shooting missiles out of my butthole and clenching my cheeks to shoot said missiles faster

[visual linden]

If they want a more fast paced drg experience limited dash to one class and adding a sluggish fall damage flinch was probably not a great idea

[young abyss]

retcon is pretty fun i like the melee

[plush edge]

thank you, yeah i saw a hurricane with the salvo overclock as an upgrade

[glass karma]

also are there more than one boss?
the whatever gatekeeeper be slightly annoying

[trim umbra]

I actually can't tell the difference between walking and "sprinting"

[summer dew]

anyways i hope GSG listens to the criticisms and i hope the community understands that criticizing is allowed on an EA
(the actual criticisms, i want all the incels gone for good)

[feral flicker]

but it isnt just plain stat upgrades most of them are cool affects maybe bad rng? I always get random shit like do electric on this or things that die from electric do this or crits do fire it's quite fun

[viral mango]

can you tip credits? its in the statistics menu but I cant find it.

[nimble gust]

Should make one where you shoot one big rocket that orbits you shooting rockets from it constantly, but if it hits a mob it goes away.

[raven valley]

I just hope the same criticism won't make the game worse

[viral merlin]

its faster, not a boomer shooter bro
but yeah the fall damage thing is really annoying, I dont see the point in it

[cold solstice]

Ladders make u zoom lol 😆 had a bug where it was so fast it launched me across a cave

[plush edge]

yeah i haven’t seen many “stat upgrade” upgrades in the negotiations either

[crimson pollen]

maybe, or we curse the upper crust for taking our hard-earned doubloons

[urban field]

honestly I am just sad the only avaiable cave structures mayaswell resemble a hallway

[timid summit]

New to DRG/Core Rock n Stone!

[wild meteor]

is the grabber worm not killable? seems not. not really a fan of that c hoice if not.

[midnight ginkgo]

ROCK AND STONE, FINALLY

[feral flicker]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!!

[raven valley]

Stalled by shots, but not killable

[nimble gust]

Need cooler cave stuff ye

[devout zenith]

i refunded the game too much bugs

[viral merlin]

PLEASE MAKE DIFFICULTY MORE CUSTOMIZABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE THE TIMER
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SLOW DOWN THE TIMER IF THEY WANT WHILE KEEPING THE TIMER AT ITS CURRENT SPEED BY DEFAULT

[trim umbra]

not enough bugs*

[cold solstice]

Like ,?

[wheat dust]

yea but thtas the fact you are not supost to stay for them to spawn

[wild meteor]

Yea... notice its stalled with shots, but not beign killable is a fuckign dumb design choice

[distant fiber]

What knuckle dragging bafoon made the wall weiner unkillable?? that;s the dumbest shit ive ever seen

[gentle zephyr]

too many Creatures

[plush edge]

i really dislike that too, the fall damage stun
hate it in every game that does it, like “oh boy you fell from a height! lemme just mail you your walking privileges, it’ll be there in the next few days!”

[visual linden]

I have much more faith in GSG to iron out the rough stuff than other devs in the same field, those who know...y'know

[crisp ruin]

Funn you say that because the corespawn are more ape like

[grizzled flare]

real

[crimson pollen]

i just hope they balance the game for lobbies without 4 players

[wild meteor]

it literally spawns automatically when you trigger certain events

[feral flicker]

ror2 has fall damage

[raven valley]

LOUDER SON I do fw the adjustable timer idea

[rigid gate]

No it’s not RNG, the ones you mentioned are also just slightly glorified stat upgrades. Compare it to base game right, unstable cores could completely change how a gun is played. You don’t get anything like that that to any extent in rogue core. If you find it fun sure but ror2 has more interesting items, especially when you get a lot of them at once…

[plush edge]

yes, but it doesn’t make you wait three years to start moving again once you take it

[viral merlin]

it doesnt slow you down when you take damage

[trim umbra]

like we're still in Hoxxes, where the hell are all the Glyphids
they don't just disappear, we've seen them live in these exact environments

[viral mango]

can I tip credits

[feral flicker]

I play 100% solo with 0 issues I havent even touched multiplayer

[inner granite]

Dead

[sly wolf]

I mean, its probably the best middle ground

Everybody wins in this scenario

[brazen surge]

maybe the core monsters scare the glyphids

[summer tiger]

No credits, jukebox is free and you pay with sweat for beer

[feral flicker]

ror2 is also based on ror and has been around for 5 years when this game came out earlier today (in my timezone)

[rose zephyr]

How do I redeem the 500 Merits from joining the DRG discord? I'm already in it and it doesn't seem to be triggering

[glass karma]

doesnt stop them from fucking me over in the core spawn event in base game

[crimson pollen]

i might just be bad idk

[hollow marten]

The timer is too opressive on solo runs, you can't get everything

[inner granite]

It bugged

[plush edge]

the corespawn wiped them out, i did see a bulk detonator that was mutated in one of the level objectives

[nimble gust]

Prob sadly would make lobby finding more of a PITA tgan just having timer on/off options

[viral merlin]

glyphids aren't strong enough to deal with core spawn clearly
and core spawn don't come high enough so all the glyphids have to do is stay higher on hoxxes

[viral mango]

thx

[summer tiger]

You need to manage cooper better

[feral flicker]

you can def get everything you just need to manage your time

[crimson pollen]

heh, bugged

[sly wolf]

"you cant get everything" or "you cant get everything"?

[inner granite]

No bugs
And it isn't corespawned

[fervent blaze]

Is it possible to remove utility from the rotation on the scroll wheel? I keep firing my zipline during hectic fights

[trim umbra]

okay these aren't like competing species, they're both Hoxxes's defense mechanisms
plus we've seen in drg that they don't attack each other

[visual linden]

It could be an interesting idea to pause or reverse the timer when you do certain things, for example making objectives pause the timer while you're doing them, or have level ups buy you some more time

[swift warren]

I think something to replace timers is just have it get harder as you progress

[feral flicker]

cooper does a lot of damage make sure you upgrade him with things that stack

[raven valley]

Isn't that the whole point of the timer? Should be the same for multiplayer, if anything

[midnight plaza]

spread out during calm phases to collect, group up during waves

[lilac willow]

if game crashes can i join back

[hollow marten]

I play drg on haz 5, have about 600 hours, the timer on solo IS opressive

[rigid gate]

So rogue core had 3 years to take notes (3 years of development), and ror2, its ancestor, is still just more fun. Let me give you a better example then, FFW was made by 8 people and has more fun upgrades than rogue core from the lowest tier to the highest.

[viral merlin]

do any species attack eachother in drg?

[inner granite]

That's the point

[wheat dust]

probably like in the og

[crimson pollen]

idk, we all cry on this bitch of an earth so to speak

[midnight plaza]

also cooper can mine

[lilac willow]

yes i can nvm

[brazen surge]

I don't know what percentage of possibilities should be achievable by the average player. But I will say that there's a very high degree of variability in getting a cave spawn that actually lines up with whatever traversal tool you were randomly assigned.

[viral merlin]

start objective
don't do it
win

[crimson pollen]

can he craft?

[barren pivot]

hey, question, does anyone else feel like guardian doesnt feel quite right?

[midnight plaza]

Could be like a side objective thing that halts core timer progressing

[trim umbra]

drills always work
you may just need to take a wall detour

[sudden briar]

this is not DRG 2

[lilac willow]

idk if developers are reading this but you can take damage when selecting upgrades

[wheat dust]

that would be interesting for like a corruptor that like triples the speed of worms spaning but xyz reverts time

[hollow marten]

I know, it's a reskin

[cold solstice]

Boss fight is fun unless ur nuked when resupping lol 😂

[feral flicker]

broski it's not for you if you arent having fun just return it and move on 🤷‍♂️

[nimble gust]

Glyphid joooockey

[brazen surge]

oh yeah, drills always work. But sometimes the game doesn't give you drills. which makes me very sad.

[rocky shuttle]

Should "Hold right-mouse to skip" work?

[vapid lintel]

Yea the selection mechanic is just tedious and annoying.. Farfar west does it better with random joker drops where you can just pick up them and dont need to wait or depend if teammates will give you something

[crimson pollen]

see you get it.
god, get this them a ticket to the pearly gates!

[nimble gust]

Its like people never played deep dives

[plush edge]

i understand why they removed the grappling hook but also… arghhh let me use my op movement!

[marble tulip]

ror2 and drg are absolutely nothing alike and comparing even something like the time mechanic simply doesn't work

[trim umbra]

lost the first run because of getting comboed into two deaths in a row
right after getting revived, instantly knocked again

[lilac willow]

also when i joined back to game i have no guns

[inner trellis]

But you can encounter the same issue solo in drg, why is this suddenly an issue in rc?

[visual linden]

Tbh changing the worms themselves might solve a lot of problems

[jaunty heath]

Can't join any servers, is this a mass problem right now?

[nimble gust]

I dont want to die yet no nooooooo

[hollow marten]

Really man, they are "nothing" alike?

[feral flicker]

it's a roguelike you lost your first run bc it's designed that way

[rigid gate]

My point is that upgrading your guy in ror2 feels far more rewarding and is far more interesting than rogue core

[crimson pollen]

i dont waaaaaaaaaaaaaanna gather up my teammates to get a level up just for 4% more tip damage on a wednesday

[peak oak]

Wait the scanner and the crit darts are not the same with the spotter?? I don't understand how the abilities are triggered

[cold solstice]

Back was turned when resupping against wall was nuked lol 😂 took like 90% of my armor and my build was around more armor = more dmsgge lol 😂

[midnight plaza]

Deep dives are fun because of the builds we bring along, Roguecore gives you a green stubby and 100% more damage with a melee hit

[barren pivot]

worms arent too bad, my issue is when the spawn end up going through the grating under the elevator machine and getting to hit it for a while till you spot them clipping through

[fervent burrow]

Why do they even make you stack up on the bot in the first place, it pauses the game regardless, just let us pick lmao

[trim umbra]

lol
lmao, even
you can fairly easily beat the first run if you're competent and don't get cooked like I did

[sudden briar]

have you even had a good run?

[crimson pollen]

because they HATE us and WANT us DEAD /j

[brazen surge]

The thread chain was about what percentage of side missions in RC should be achievable within the time limit. Having a traversal tool that lines up with how the random environment generates impacts what would be achievable.

[gentle zephyr]

i also won my first run ngl

[sacred wigeon]

okay first legit complaint, if the host never readys up for next floor you're trapped in purgatory

[nimble gust]

Deepdives are the builds you have, Rogue Core are the builds you find along the way...with negotiation

[vapid lintel]

I hope modders can save this game and add custom loadouts like in drg, cuz the system this game have now just sucks

[plush edge]

i guess to encourage sticking together? the bot moves much, much faster than molly so it’s easier to split up

[trim umbra]

so no builds

[midnight plaza]

Im on depth 2 with level 4 clearance rn

[feral flicker]

but this isnt drg2

[barren pivot]

that just sounds like you dont want to play rogue core

[marble tulip]

that's true! but they're both going for very different styles
ror2 relies on constant hyperactivity, building something that lets you oneshot jalf the map and zip to the other side in seconds, while deep rock is all about understanding and fleshing out your weapons to make them play to their strengths. i view rogue core as way more of a strategy game than that of risk of rain
risk of rain is more about skill expression, rogue core is more about game sense

[cold solstice]

My main gripe is omega voice lines I want the modded passive aggressive mod

[sly wolf]

Talking to a wall

[fervent burrow]

The game activrly punishes you for sticking together with the timer mechanic, feels bad

[sacred wigeon]

Skill issue detected.

[dusky compass]

"the builds you can steal from the others guys clammy hands 😂"

[barren pivot]

i feel the enemies punish you more than the timer for sticking together

[sudden briar]

have you beaten depth two?
I feel like you just haven't gotten down how to build with the items yet
alot of them just take time to get used to how to use

[nimble gust]

Its drg3

[crimson pollen]

rogue core ~~meatriders ~~fans when people expect the DRG game to have more in common with DRG:

[midnight plaza]

I think Ive only gotten a second weapon once in my first multiplayer run

[plush edge]

i’d love builds too but not, like, full on loadouts
i just wanna be able to customize my abilities a bit more than currently, like give us some skill trees for the reclaimers individually

[vapid lintel]

And thats why it just sucks, the new systems are just annoying not fun...

[wide cairn]

good gamee, but not worth $30 atm
should be $15-20

[little jewel]

bro... its early access 😭

[fervent burrow]

I for one would like to AT LEAST be able to pick my weapons BEFORE i go into a mission

[cold solstice]

Regional pricing was like 12 USD for me. Lol 🤣

[crimson pollen]

got a refund for this reason, my ass is spending 20 on Mina the Hollower

[barren pivot]

you always have the option of getting a second gun at the workbenches, they are the orange icons on the map, you should always focus them and bioboosters of side objectives if you dont have time

[wide cairn]

regional pricing is good, but still shouldnt be $30 base

[summer tiger]

Yeah, in general it's advice to stick to one weapon

[sudden briar]

the game feels like drg though?? the movement the mining?? plus its a different game

[feral flicker]

No one ever said this was going to be drg2 I think you just wanted a diff game this is a roguelike my friend

[vapid lintel]

Well yea i do hope they change the system and make custom loadouts, so we can just pick up upgrades not chose each match random weapons etx

[trim umbra]

I just want to be able to have an actual reliable starting weapon man
if I get stuck with the BKRT or the shield launcher it is not a good time until cooper can carry me to a workbench

[final wagon]

Overall I’m very happy with the early access, but the lack of class stacking sucks balls

[sly wolf]

Its like crying that PvZ hero shooter is wastly different from original PvZ

These are two different genres

[whole trellis]

How are people finding the enemies? I loved the glyphid design, so am pretty curious what they’ve cooked up

[midnight plaza]

Why do that when I could give my falcon more charges

[lone palm]

It sounds like you want a different game, then.

[young abyss]

Hey im having fun only issue i have is the poison clouds conflict with the thunderhead explosions and cause me to not be able to see

[crimson pollen]

yeeeeaaaahhhh but like LOOK OVER THERE!

[wheat dust]

yup tho sometimes it can be better to use the extra ammo with one gun if its has good perk synergy

[hollow marten]

I want more meaningful leveling upgrades, there are 2 good ones and then 50 that give like +5% generic damage

[lime plover]

Regional pricing GOATED
8.75 USD after bundle discount

[fervent burrow]

And you also lose the 50% ammo bonus

[inner granite]

Could be much better
They all are too similar

[sly wolf]

I like them, outside the moments they clip into walls

[plush edge]

you sound like you’d really enjoy far far west, actually
it’s extremely similar to what you’re describing

[midnight plaza]

My falcon is hungry

[sudden briar]

I love them! the praetorian equivalent is so cool

[vapid lintel]

I wanted a better drg, and this is not it sadly a worse game than drg and literal downgrade with annoying new systems 😞

[sacred wigeon]

oh ehm gee DRG Survivor isn't a 1:1 clone of DRG! It's a bad game!

[cold solstice]

Agreed I payed like 70 USD for crimson desert
I did how ever buy supporter pack and gift a base game for my streamer friend gonna force him to play hehe

[midnight plaza]

they do play far far west

[vapid lintel]

I wanted a better drg not a downgrade 😞

[barren pivot]

it depends really, the whole point is the trade offs, do you want 50% more ammo with 1 gun, or a whole new ammo pool with more potential synergies with your build.

[feral flicker]

but it was never advertised as Drg dude what were you looking at? did you even read the desc or tags or look at the trailors? what are you clowning on about dude

[rigid gate]

sure but the strategy aspect feels weak when everything is just a plain stat upgrade. at least in ror2 there’s strategy from playing with the hand your dealt for better or worse. all roguelites require strategy in managing upgrades but this game makes said upgrades uninteresting which dilutes the intrigue in strategy, because sure, i can build towards keeping my health up or crushing armor, but it doesn’t feel sick as hell cause it’s just number increases

[little jewel]

The devs telled us do not compare this game with drg, or am i wrong?

[sudden briar]

then just play drg?? it's not going anywhere

[crimson pollen]

ill be back 'ere when they refine the roguelike game mechanics to be less intrusive AND more rewarding

[lone palm]

you keep saying that without listening to people telling you it's not supposed to be an upgrade, it's literally a different game. "I didn't want chess, I wanted checkers 2!"

[plush edge]

i don’t consider it a downgrade, base drg is a different game
it sounds like you wanted a game that isn’t what they’re intending to make here

[wheat dust]

When will ppl learn what a spinoff and Sequel is

[wide cairn]

game would be recieved far better if not for its price
early access yeah, and its not like DRG, never expected that either
if majority on steam isnt vibing with game, EA tag or not, some clearly isnt right

[brazen surge]

from the beginning rouge core was never trying to be "better DRG". It was always trying to be a different type of game set in the DRG universe and engine.

[scarlet juniper]

I see mixed reviews for the game itself, but I think at least one thing everyone ought to agree on is that the soundtrack rocks (and stones)! Sophus Alf did a stellar job on this.

[sacred wigeon]

Literally go back to the rig then. Leave the work for the Reclaimers

[feral flicker]

its not drg!! if you want drg go play drg!!!

[sly wolf]

Gamers cant read

[vapid lintel]

I just hate that i dont like this new game 😑

[cunning mulch]

mfw the Roguelite Spin-Off that changes things up is actually a Roguelite Spin-off that changes things up instead of being the same as the original

[midnight plaza]

Look ive gave alot of criticism of this game but i also acknowledge that this is currently in Early Access so its not gonna be fully ironed out

[barren pivot]

they said people will compare it to drg, they do it themselves a lot. The issue is comparing current DRG with current rogue core, since DRG has 10 years of updates, fixes, and changes

[sudden briar]

Never

[summer tiger]

If you wanted DRG 2 then you should've read all the info the devs posted. They said it quite plainly that the game is not DRG2. If you can't read then it's your fault

[dusky compass]

The problem is the only good things about it are drg. The new stuff hasn't been done well enough where you think "you know what l, null have some more of that" especially if you already know the alternative.

Because this entire game is basically stand alone deep dives where you follow a cable from one drop pod to the next ignoring most things along the line because your on a timer with a dwarf you don't like much with a gun you don't like much with upgrades you have managed to keep out of your teammates hands. I really wonder if the devs took a few steps back and asked themselves "are we sure this is a good idea?"

[lone palm]

and I hate that you can't read

[clear nimbus]

great launch day. had a blast all day. now sleep.

[crimson pollen]

i think you're all forgetting that Deep Rock Galactic will be deleted from Steam in like 4 days

[wheat dust]

Yea its not like drg is getting shut down and never updated they both are getting stuff

[cold solstice]

U can see that some of y'all can't read NGL 😭

[sacred wigeon]

lmao at least he admits it

[whole trellis]

Surely we are going to compare it - it has a tonne of the same stuff, is also a co op shooter in the same world. Even if it has a different design focus it’s legit to compare. In the same way it’s fine to compare the Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077

[marble tulip]

on higher depths ive definitely felt like knowing what to play into/avoid at any given moment has been really important but year ig it is all numbers. roboquest kinda is too though? and that's one of the best feeling roguelikes of all time so like. i think it can and will work when there are more perks in the pool

[ocean beacon]

Just got to level 4 for the first time, teammates were bigger noobs than me. Got to the boss with only two of us hut had no idea how to kill him lol

[hollow marten]

God dammit, it's not a bad thing to admit that the game is bad , it's early acess, we need to voice our conserns now, while we still can

[plush edge]

yeah, they’re deleting drg and putting everything into Better Deep Rock Galactic ©, which is this game

[little jewel]

yeah, for me i like this new game 😄

[lone palm]

I would not compare the witcher 3 to cyberpunk...

[nova elk]

rogue core was a lot of fun i dont understand where the bad reviews come from

[grizzled flare]

i would say the ui of when you gain upgrades and equipment feel a little sluggish

[gentle zephyr]

ive only been playing alone (since im of the mindset of "erm im still new i dont want to slow people down" as if this isnt a day old game and literally everyone is new LMFAO) and so far i havent had too many issues difficulty wise, seems fine for a roguelike/roguelite with a gameplay style similar to drg, at most my biggest complaint is that the caves feel samey, and that there's no way to test how a weapon feels outside of just getting it and using it in a mission. i tend to just have 1 gun and build towards it (like rn i have the bulldog) and it works out fine, although i do wish the options were a bit more synergistic instead of like, literally always being an upgrade? there's nothing where its like, okay you might kill yourself trying to get the most out of this or smth. its always something beneficial. always firerate or movespeed or a damage type but there's nothing where its like ok this thing has way more recoil but also becomes a nuclear bomb launcher or something . wheres my "this might genuinely end the run but if it works it will be immaculate"

[trim umbra]

not what he meant at all lmao
that means more along the lines of "I wanted to like this game, but it just isn't enjoyable and I don't like that it isn't"

[dusky compass]

Same feeling, high hopes but as it's it's just... Poop

[feral flicker]

I only have one thing to tell you.

Skill issue

[sharp current]

rogue core is being renamed drg 2

[ocean beacon]

Found the loose orb thing but by that point had no hp and still didn't know what to do with it

[clear nimbus]

The game is not bad

[hidden scarab]

played a handful of solo, very good game so far

[deep leaf]

You knew the concept of EARLY ACCESS

[vapid lintel]

Well yea it sucks cuz drg 2 aint gonna come out any time soon.

[crimson pollen]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!!!! obtuse mfs in this chat act like any comparison between drg and rc are unwarranted

you made my soul happy i can die in peace

[sacred wigeon]

Also this is an ALPHA BUILD. It's not a complete product

[midnight plaza]

throw it in the pit, omega tells you to throw it in the pit, it goes in the pit

[true chasm]

my honest criticism is that this game would be completely fine if it was 15 euros MAX, i dont have an issue with timer or shared loot (in duo atleast), but this game is just worse gunfire reborn for almost 2x the price currently

[lyric sapphire]

it definitely needs more polish i found it ok but nothing special as roguelite game when i played alpha

[barren pivot]

Rogue core and DRG is like comparing elden ring to nightreign lol, yes, they use similar assets, engine, and general gameplay, but are different games with different ways to approach and play them

[sudden briar]

comparing Witcher 3 to cyberpunk 2077 is a horrible idea
worse than RC vs DRG
entirely different genres

[cold solstice]

From PPL who can't handle the difficulty/ timer
From pols WHO ARE LOOKING FOR DRG NOT A NEW GAME
And PPL don't like RNG

[hollow marten]

In my opinions it is, I expect you to respect that

[sour ember]

i've played both drgs games and i find rogue core missions more fun because it tickles my brain in a way i like

[little jewel]

+++++

[brazen surge]

drg 2: deeper, rockier, and more galatic

[crimson pollen]

game not bad but it needs a lot more polish (a lot more polish before i buy it again)

[lone palm]

I didn't like gunfire reborn tbh, Rogue Core tickles my fancy though.

[wheat dust]

Istg il make a video about how DRG RC IS NOT DRG 2

[trim umbra]

game right now: bad
game after it gets fixed: good? hopefully?

[nova elk]

so basically just fake gamers? lmfao

[dusky compass]

Yes, I was there when DRG didn't have gun choices yet, when there wa still fog in the caves and they ran on forever untill your ram ran out and you pc locked up 😂 that still had a better core principle than this.

[whole trellis]

There is plenty to compare. It’s the same studio and broad game type, you can compare compare quest quality, writing, combat, graphics, and so on

[crimson pollen]

i actually hate video games

[clear nimbus]

The game is polished and runs well

[lyric sapphire]

its not really bad, its okay but nothing special atm needs way more cooking

[wheat dust]

Game rn EA not fully dont still in works

[sour ember]

trend chasers are smelly

[short yacht]

I dont think dwarves and Poland mix well but thats just my opinion

[hidden scarab]

games good, needs some polish, but its good (to me, its okay to have differing opinions)

[sudden briar]

I feel like everyone is forgetting TWO HUGE THINGS GSG has mentioned NUMEROUS TIMES being its in EA things are subject to change and it's not DRG 2

[nova elk]

most people do

[trim umbra]

yes that is literally what I'm saying

[cold solstice]

Yes

[crimson pollen]

on the roguelike mechanics i mean, just making it more smooth

[clear nimbus]

Yeah those are fine too

[sudden briar]

if you're talking about RPG systems then that's fair

[boreal jasper]

Just spent 8 hours playing this game, I genuinely love it

[south mortar]

why is omega telling me to extract now

[hollow marten]

*in your opinion the game is polished, the game runs well on your setup (fixed it for ya)

[feral flicker]

https://giphy.com/gifs/guy-wall-talking-to-the-7P8lA58Cg8cOzWi8db

[whole trellis]

I think it is worth bearing in mind as well people have become more critical of Early Access. For better or worse it’s now basically seen as official launch by many

[cinder cairn]

damn, came here hoping to see some interesting discussion about the game. just people talking about complainers

[frosty swan]

god i was really trying to be open to it but the timer fucking sucks

[crimson pollen]

i got faith in gsg, i love these devs and they'll definitely take this feedback into consideration

[clear nimbus]

No fixing needed. I’m right. You are wrong. The game is great. 👍

[wheat dust]

yup im just simplifying it even more ❤️

[feral flicker]

manage your time better it isnt bad

[nimble gust]

I think most people are not forgetting, but just wished it was. I'm 100% fine w the style, just not a fan of some of the design choices.

[brazen surge]

If a company is accepting money for a thing it is a product.

[gentle zephyr]

i dont think ive ever even had the timer run out for me yet it cant be that bad to manage LOL

[trim umbra]

bro reacted his own message

[summer dew]

the game doesnt run on steam deck that well tbf

[ocean beacon]

Saying in my opinion is redundant and childish. Of course it's his opinion, who else's would it be? It goes without saying.

[barren pivot]

Here is my opinion of the game, it is good and fun, it has some issues with slow down at times and you can often time get perks and such that you cant use at all which sucks. The main issue i feel is that it can be a bit overwhelming and hard to manage stuff because class limits, no garuntees to have weapons good for the difficulty you are working on, and some of the classes feel like they need improvements and changes. But overall its fun and interesting and shouldn't be approached as just DRG 2 or 1.5 because it may look and kind of feel like DRG, but its not and is supposed to be played as such

[clear nimbus]

That’s how good it was.

[frosty swan]

you're being punished every time you take time to shoot an enemy btw

[wheat dust]

it for me once cuz i went alll the way bavk to the start of the map and back

[boreal jasper]

Wdym? I just spent 8 hours playing the game on a steam deck, ran great

[trim umbra]

I hate to break it to you (I don't)
it really wasn't

[crimson pollen]

i may not agree with you but i gotta respect the the grindset

[nimble gust]

Id rather not, kachow

[sudden briar]

have you ever played a rouge-like before?

[feral flicker]

bro what shoot faster how long does it take you to shoot

[cinder cairn]

they dont want you to know this but you can run while you shoot

[summer dew]

its playable, but on a full team youre hitting 30 fps or lower

[sly wolf]

How long it takes for you to place crosshair on enemy?

[jovial sail]

Blud would not survive ror2

[sour ember]

rogue core is for those who love difficulty not those who prefer lower difficulty

[clear nimbus]

Look at those reactions. I’m on the right side. You are on the wrong side. Any more questions?

[sharp current]

my biggest issue is how overwhelmingly unimpactful most upgrades are, im not expecting gunfire reborn level building but this feels a bit weak

[cold solstice]

As a haz 5+ enjoyer the difficulty is what iv been looking for

[lyric sapphire]

man ugotta get diabetes from all that glazing watch out

[frosty swan]

im e10 on every single survivor

[feral flicker]

then dont play a rougelike 🤡

[hybrid veldt]

do you guys actually play any other roguelites?... this game clearly needs improvements

[gentle zephyr]

do you take a minute to aim ?

[fervent burrow]

They'd be fine if you didnt only get like 15 upgrades a match

[trim umbra]

W ragebait ngl

[wheat dust]

you are not they dont last 50 years but like a minute or 2 for waves and the random spawns you can kill on the move

[plush edge]

i get good performance (80-100fps in mission, closer to 70 during swarms) on all ultra, admittedly i've gotten some performance issues but that mainly comes from using lots of explosives, in those cases i drop to around ~60fps

[brazen surge]

Products are allowed to be criticized. No one should by early access unless they are okay with the state the game is currently in. Don't trust that updates will for sure come. If you are buying the game based on updates being done that's essentially the same as pre-ordering. And I really don't feel like going on a pre-order rant right now.

[boreal jasper]

Nah, are yoy trying to run high settings? Cuz I was hitting 40-55 on a full team, ran just fine

[midnight plaza]

500 scrolls

[summer dew]

yeah its pretty good

[ocean beacon]

Game is good these people are cringe beyond belief. " YoUrE BeInG pUniShEd " lol so dumb

[cold solstice]

What's ur specs

[crimson pollen]

i gotta learn from this guy, its good stuff

[dusky compass]

Even if he took a picosecond, doesn't change the fact that by design he is right.

[barren pivot]

yah, some are fun or interesting, but other times they really require specific classes/weapons to get any value out of. So it can feel like you arent getting anything good.

[nova elk]

its actually just neck beard reddit min maxxers that think the game is bad and if you say its good it just needs a bit of polishing they act like gsg is incapable of doing that even tho that is every modern game dev lmfao

[hollow marten]

I'm telling you, voice your conserns now while you can, the game is in a sorry state, do a survey or leave a review, do a refund, whatever, this is the only time you can influence change

[glossy fossil]

honestly i am enjoying this quite a bit so far. i do hope that at some point they add actual armor skins like in DRG. that would be nice. and then i also need to find a Modder to make the slicer wear warhammer 40k einhyr armor lol

[plush edge]

4070, cannot remember cpu off the top of my head but it's a higher-end one and ryzen

[summer dew]

all low. normal drg runs at 90+ most of the time

[lyric sapphire]

yeah i foundit the same way when i played in alpha most is just meh

[clear nimbus]

We should get you a bell to ring. “The end is nigh! The end is nigh!”

[nimble gust]

Brother the ones ive played dont have this mechanic, or have it done this way. 🤣

[agile hawk]

im gonna kill omega if i get another black screen trying to load into a game

[sly wolf]

Gamers when game requires them to think: "ItS PuNisHing aNd UnfUn"

[wheat dust]

Its like buying experimental headphomes and being mad that they are different than the 20 year old brand you used

[sudden briar]

I don't think they will as the main thing differentiating the classes is armor
but hey I hope I'm wrong

[crimson pollen]

like the edmund mcmillen game?

[feral flicker]

4080 super ryzen 7950x3d 0 performance drop anywhere

[trim umbra]

yeah no shit sherlock

[hollow marten]

Sorry for voicing my opinion, you fellas enjoy your echo chamber

[ocean beacon]

"When I shoot the gun im actually shooting at myself:***((( why rogue core, whyyy"

[glossy fossil]

i mean each class has its own spin on alot of armor in skin packs and in the progress line

[clear nimbus]

👋

[wheat dust]

Litrely THE POINT OF THE GAME have these ppl not played BoI ror2 hadees2 hk hksl OR ANY HARD GAME??

[marble tulip]

5090 the game is stable guys!!!

[sudden briar]

fair!

[summer dew]

wow this community fucking sucks holy hell 😭

[dusky compass]

Man the game defenders here are using a ton of straw man arguments lol. It has a bunch thst could be better, live with it. Will they change it? I hope so.

[feral flicker]

well then go get a modern system if you wanna play modern games!

[sharp current]

id rather like 4 good upgrades over 30 bad ones, the game is more on the latter side, but the occasional upgrade just like triples your survivability or dps or ammo, but then most still do nothing

[crimson pollen]

i personally like mewgenics, thats a fun video game

[carmine zenith]

we try our best

[gentle zephyr]

THERES A CRASSUS DETONATOR EQUIVALENT ??? this is too much for me to mine bro 😭

[frosty swan]

so what's the point of it then

[sour ember]

my rtx 3080 is turning 6 this year

[wheat dust]

1660 no problems smooth as butter

[sudden briar]

I'm surprised with the reactions with how nice drg lobbies usually are

[gleaming owl]

anybody else have issues throwing the rift core into the core? like it just drops at the edge of the rift and doesn't fall in?

[nimble gust]

Ror2 does the timer better, id be cool w that

[fervent burrow]

True, the explosion on kill rare card can clear the entire screen with a single good headshot

[clear nimbus]

How so?

[hollow belfry]

how much space does it take?

[jovial sail]

It's just that the loud ones mostly complain about the roguelike game being a roguelike with roguelike mechanics

[cold solstice]

Mmmm u should be getting over 100+ fps
I'm on 5060 ti with 2k ultra settings not getting anything less than 110

[haughty radish]

I have an i3 with a GTX 1650 and the game runs just fine for me with mixed medium-high graphics
I'd say it's pretty well optimized

[south mortar]

damn flare gun needs a nerf

[frosty swan]

and yeah upgrades are garbage, super unimpactful

[marble tulip]

vocal minority methinks

[wheat dust]

point is you suck at moving and shooting and managing time

[sudden briar]

It really doesn't
you can just ignore the timer completely and it won't even matter

[plush edge]

i'm not running any upscaling and using that dlaa thing so it might be that

[crimson pollen]

drg game lobbies: ☮️
drg discord: 🤯 ☠️

[summer dew]

well everyone is just here to ragebait me.
theres people that are like: not reading the page and are surprised its a roguelite
And then theres equally the same amount of people, blindly defending the game as if it doesnt have several crippling issues

[south mortar]

absurd amount of ammo

[sharp current]

red sugar on double headshot makes you unkillable if you have a decent gun

[frosty swan]

im surprised you're so happy with the state of the game rn

[glass umbra]

1050 ti and got about 60fps with dialed down graphics

[summer tiger]

You can freeze it and it drops 4 chunks

[barren pivot]

i do feel like some classes need some tweaks or changes, personally falconer and guardian could use a little attention. Guardian feels weak and don't really do a good job at guarding, and i would just like a change to the electrical zone for falconer because it being a placed zone you need to stay in kind of hurts when movement is so important during hoards

[dusky compass]

Had 100% expected this tbh. Different kind of player thst likes this sort of game

[hollow marten]

No wonder we're split, we have all of these drg fanboys insisting that the game is 100% perfect, refusing to see it for what it is

[nova elk]

name something

[cold solstice]

I'm not using upscaling I think u need to check ur drivers

[feral flicker]

actually this is the roguecore discord 💀

[wheat dust]

Yes il be honest i tought thtas how the time will eork in game at first but the way they did it still works.

[young inlet]

Man with all this chatter i have faith in the devs to cook

[sharp current]

ngl even with my gripes this game is banger, i was extremely hyped and i feel like my hypes were delivered

[haughty radish]

We still don't have achievements for getting kills with the flare gun btw

[brazen surge]

I came here expecting to eat popcorn and watch drama, but stayed for the discourse. Outside of a small handful of people with truly awful takes this has been way more polite than 80% of gaming discourse.

[crimson pollen]

discord, and everyone using it, should just be deleted from the earth

[nimble gust]

Heh, that's why it's better

[summer dew]

there is like NO NUANCE here at all, nobody here is using their brain

[clear nimbus]

Actually the game is 110% perfect ftfy

[sudden briar]

i think the game does have crippling issues yes but it's literally everything that people aren't talking about

[fervent burrow]

Falconer is insanely good in multiplayer, people are bound to die in weird places and they make it a non issue

[frosty swan]

happy for you, imo the game has a great deal of conflicting design principles

[hollow marten]

I thought you left?

[stone whale]

The marker guy makes spotting shit so easy

[sour ember]

um loki this server is both regular drg and rogue core

[wheat dust]

My brother in whatever religion you practice THE GAME IS IN EARLY ACCES THE CEO LITRELY TELLS YOU THAT ON FIRST BOOT UP

[vapid lintel]

The game has potato graphics its just badly optimized L from devs and you blame the player 🤦🏻‍♂️

[ocean beacon]

I love the idea that a crappy critique cant be bad because you're also being critical

[crimson pollen]

i thought you did?

[clear nimbus]

Why would you think that?

[echo gale]

I meant the difference between roguelite and roguelike but that too

[summer dew]

I know, and that makes me angry LOL 😭

[sudden briar]

I'm trying to challenge myself here not just have a useless UI piece in the corner

[frosty swan]

why are we fighting eachother over upgrades mid mission lmfao

[plush edge]

falconer could go for the revive ability getting some kind of solo viability, guardian i feel needs adjustments more to the concussion blast thing, it feels really bad to use when there's not a wall to stop it

[lime plover]

I have a laptop 4060, i play at high settings locked 60fps

[trim umbra]

so do you want it to stay like this or have it be improved?

[stone whale]

Ceiling shit? Don't matter scan once and find em all

[barren pivot]

i run into the issue that my team only dies all at once, very rarely do we die one off anywhere other than the final boss. As i said, i mostly just dont like the feel of the electric zone

[hollow marten]

You waved goodbye at me

[short yacht]

Honestly looking through this chat and its just either meaningless glaze that ignores things that actually need to be changed or fixed, or fear mongering that the game is going to fail and other stupid shit that literally doesnt help the devs to improve RC in any way, I said this before and I still say this now, these arguments are useless if yall are just shitting on each other instead of voicing genuine concerns regarding the game

[feral flicker]

insanely good solo as well

[sour ember]

how do people not grasp the higher the frame rate the more stress it puts on the graphics card

[clear nimbus]

Yeah because you said “yall enjoy your echo chamber” as if you were exiting

[wheat dust]

right that too but ppl dont rly know the difference between the too well enough to notice most of the time

[nimble gust]

I dont think it doesn't work, just not a fan.

[dusky compass]

Honestly I haven't seen that at all, only "badly implemented rogue lite ish stuff thst could have been done better, and yes, could literally be removed and changed to deep rock style and that would also have been better" since that's the benchmark. So it's anyoingly for GSG always gonna be benchmarks against the old game. So slopilly done rogue like parts won't cut it. It has to be good or just not done.

[ocean beacon]

I like the upgrade system, it's fun, forces you to regroup instead of doing your own thing. And you get to see what upgrades others choose

[sly wolf]

Who fights who?

All lobbies I played in respected each others marks and communicated properly.

[haughty radish]

Yeah
What about
What's your guys' favorite weapon

[sharp current]

falconer is so far my least favorite class, it just feels the least useful of the bunch, i do like the ranged revive but that feels like it

[frosty swan]

it's really weird how anti-criticism this channel is

[crimson pollen]

yup, and then there's the inventors

[summer dew]

And then you have all the folks going, UMM its an EA, its not meant to be finished. Well duh but i dont think EAs in development for 3 years should have crippling issues. Thats why people complain, let people complain. they are paying customers too

[hollow marten]

Again you are assuming, there's nothing about me leaving in what I said

[nimble gust]

Surely no one would just ignore that

[plush edge]

i actually really like falconer, but thats because i fw drone classes in ANY game

[clear nimbus]

It’s not meaningless glaze. Games fun. Had a great day playing it. Maybe a few things could be tweaked but overall great launch and it’s a top seller on Steam so overall a successful day for the devs despite your feelings

[barren pivot]

my issue with guardian is his 2 main abilities use the same resource, and one of them will consumer 2 charges if you dont turn it off, but also requires you to not turn it off too early and waste the charge.

[cold solstice]

Taking a half day at work to rush home and game for 6 hour straight

[summer tiger]

There are some things that have to change eg. more upgrades, more events, more elevator sequences, more weapons but the basics of the runs as they are are quite good. They tweaked them a lot in closed playtests and we decided that it's good pace. You either adapt or you refund the game.

[crimson pollen]

no the game is perfect and iF YOU SAY OTHERWISE YOU'RE A BUBBLE BLOWING BABY WHO SHOULD BE KICKED INTO THE SUN!

[fervent burrow]

I personally think the spotter is a requirement for the boss fight at the end of the match

[ocean beacon]

"Anyone that doesnt agree with me is just glazing the game, I am a very serious game reviewer."

[midnight plaza]

Constructive criticism is best thing that can be done right now, disregarding people’s opinions and mocking them does not helping the game develop. In the same way, just saying the game is bad doesn’t help development, only by sharing what you think and why you think that way can it be the most beneficial.

The game is in Early Access, it’s still being worked on

[barren pivot]

spotters damage on boss feels so necessary lol

[fervent burrow]

Also ammobox is very strong

[gleaming rapids]

why do the only the male dwarves have "hnngrh!" "cough!" "aherm." lines when pressing x??? literally unplayable!

[nova elk]

"its a strawman!" he says without talking about any specific mechanics 🙄 these people are NPCs

[frosty swan]

when else are we supposed to give criticism?

[haughty radish]

Spotter in general is a really good addition to a team

[clear nimbus]

Why is chat filled with people angry about those liking the game. Really sad yall. Touch grass

[ocean beacon]

Give criticism but make it thoughtful and good please

[nimble gust]

And the other "anyone criticizing the game doesn't understand the genre/hates difficulty"

[trim umbra]

can't, we're in a cave

[gleaming rapids]

i love this game and im very angry that i love it

[plush edge]

this is exactly why games so rarely offer direct communication with devs anymore, early access games always end up so polarizing
i really like the game thus far, i've had fun and actively desire to go back in for more, i feel like it could use a lot more content and some adjustments to core systems but it's got a LOT of potential

[wheat dust]

as someone who is currently "maining" falcon you are right

[crimson pollen]

im actually allergic to grass, you're basically telling me to die i think

[fervent burrow]

Where as retcon bring no value besides being able to self res lol

[frosty swan]

yeah i think the upgrades need to be more impactful and that the timer actively punishes players for doing anything.

[clear nimbus]

My genius. It sometimes frightens me

[dusky compass]

More thr opposite my man, lots of angry people shouting OTS NOT DRG 2
or IT'S EARLY access When people bring up legit critisism

[gleaming rapids]

also touching grass is kind of an elf thing to do

[ocean beacon]

Acting like youre the only one giving feedback with your trash tier takes like saying, "y do we have to share upgrades midmission!?!? Lmao!!!" Isnt helpful, sorry to burst your delusions

[gritty valve]

If you end up finding Cool Precision it's pretty nice. I was basically able to spam those abilities and it got even better when I got Stunning Recharge

[carmine zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/clarkson-gif-19575277

[short yacht]

I am NOT a game reviewer and not serious by any means lol, its good that yall love GSG, I do too, but yall act like the game is already perfect and doesnt have any problems

[haughty radish]

Retcon is just fun
Perhaps you can do a build with provoking and going for a tank build to get aggro off of the team

[clear nimbus]

I mean it is early access lol

[vapid lintel]

There is 0 reson form me to see what others get i dont care its waste of time

[sour ember]

all i want for the game is a slight touch up on the enhancement skills, some more optimization, and some new events

[summer tiger]

You are not used to it, that's all. 14 minutes is plenty to do everything in the cave.

[fervent burrow]

Feels like guardian does thst but a bit better

[sudden briar]

I really like the charge pistol
that and the rifle that has two reticles that are vertical idr the names

[crimson pollen]

yeah we should be touching other things like rocks, stone, gold, that guy from mission control, minerals, beer

[slate oar]

wow really great criticism

[cinder cairn]

just not true at all, upgrades might be week but theyre stacking and there is combo potential

[ocean beacon]

Game is not perfect, there are things I dislike, but "lmao having to share upgrades midmission!?@?@???@" isnt one

[frosty swan]

are you on low difficulty or something

[marsh tide]

You mean the period of development meant for criticism?

[carmine zenith]

how about we crank this party up by turning slowmode to 6h

[sly wolf]

I mean, for the most its literally people crying that the rogue game has rogue aspects, "how dares COOP game have COOP element" and that very forgiving timer is somehow too punishing

There are some valid points, but for most part its the same nonsense

[gentle zephyr]

so that you know what they have and can plan around it ? much easier to decide to do something if you know someone has something that could very easily deal with something

[gleaming rapids]

yeah!- wait what?

[sharp current]

id like to see retcon do a lil more for the team, and falconer just like do 3x as much in general, i really like slicer but the cooldown feels maybe a lil long, spotter is my favorite at the moment

[feral flicker]

no broski the game just isnt that hard

[plush edge]

is there a cosmetic shop im missing? i feel like there should be a cosmetic shop somewhere but i've only found a place to exchange scrip

[sudden briar]

PLEASE it'd be so funny

[trim umbra]

just lock the channel at this point
it'd be more productive than this mess

[crimson pollen]

that guy from mission control 🥹

[delicate herald]

the voting process could go by faster, timer could be a bit more gradual like ror2
and I would love some more bosses, maybe a mission type where you have to fight a boss every other depth
and there just needs to be more variety and actual meaningful numbers in upgrades (though as somebody who's been playing deadlock for awhile my brain goes awooga at a +20% damage upgrade even though it's not a lot)
also, either add upgrades for falling or something, I know for a fact I'm going to not enjoy having to take short falls when I don't have a double jump or a dash from the slicer
those are mostly my gripes

[nova elk]

someone literally said, "will they fix it? i hope so" my brother in christ do you even play DRG? they fix shit all the time and you are complaining on day 1 😭

[wheat dust]

well with this new invention shoose you will be safe :)

[dusky compass]

Yeah, but that's like when someone gives you bad tasting coffee and you say it tastes bad and they set BUT THE SUN IS UP
everyone knows, it means absolutely nothing for the point being made 😂

[nimble gust]

I like being able to engage with people to see where they stand on gameplay mechanics etc. It just gets annoying when everyone starts reducing it down to "git gud" etc. I want fun, but I get some view fun as a direct correlation to difficulty etc.

[barren pivot]

i feel like spotter, slicer, and retcon all do very interesting things and feel good to play. spotter doesnt do really any direct damage with abilities, but the extra damage they get while being able to move around, showing all nearby enemies with ping, and the ammo box all make them very fun and feel good.
Slicer feels fun because there are tons of melee based skills that synergize with them really well and their blade is on a wonderful cooldown that lets you use it often.
Retcon is cool and rewards being agressive but being smart about what you get yourself into and how much you take while also give you a good dmg buff with rage and the last stand ability can really save a game.

[frosty swan]

im not talking about a failure state, but you're still being punished for playing the game whenever you do anything except the exact optimal path and that applies to your teammates also

[summer tiger]

No, played regularly on D4 during alpha testing and we were pretty OK on time with everything done

[fervent burrow]

I legit can see retcon being great when the team is all down, drag enemies away and tp back to dead teammate

[cold solstice]

68% is positive reviews so yall that don't like are. Minority GIT GUD

[short yacht]

I never complained about that tho, brother, I love the game, I really do, I waited for it for so long, my main message is just that people should discuss things with less bias and be more civil, thats all

[haughty radish]

Yeah
But I can see some great build possibilities abusing time warp with ticking bomb and provoking

[carmine zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-snail-adventure-time-gif-9966924

[vapid lintel]

The criticism is this forced chosing upgrades together is a waste of time and bad game design, why put so much mechanics where im forced to in position where random teamates decide what weapons i will play and what upgrades i will get.

[slate oar]

you are being punished when you start a mission, you could just hang out in the ramrod

[molten spear]

How can I set the game to minimum settings if the game crashes when I press ESC?

[frosty swan]

going to rn

[gleaming rapids]

it more so just makes the mission harder, think like spelunky! could def be tweaked a little though (more reward per risk)

[feral flicker]

is it 6 hours now?

[midnight plaza]

The foundation of Rogue core is there, I just think the roguelite meta progression is very lacking in the sense of specific progress and currently aimed towards a very general progression of stat buffs. I think the timer is fine in the game, but instead of just sending reapers it could do something like add increasingly frequent waves. I also think the in-mission upgrades are still a bit lacking, perhaps more class ability centered upgrades instead of mainly weapon and health ones.

[crimson pollen]

the moment i start simping for mission control the mods come by, i think the feds are onto me

[wheat dust]

You have time to explore tho i reche the elevator half way through the timer and the timer stops upon elevator activation (from what ive seen maybe i just dont pay enough attention to it)

[sudden briar]

I really don't get the glaze for ror2's timer
it is a shit timer
the game is good don't get me wrong I have played a ton of it!! but as a timer it is SO bad
you just out scale the enemies by staying in one stage for so long making sure you get everything

[cinder cairn]

you dont like teamplay in your teamgame?

[spring tartan]

So do you

[cold solstice]

Editing the settings files directly

[sly wolf]

Its almost like big element of COOP games is being teammate dependant...

[fervent burrow]

You clearly havent had a troll in a game yet

[nimble gust]

You're framing it in a way as if it is required. Your ammo acts as a timer, most roguelites ive played or have been mentioned don't do that, just cds etc. There are good discussions to be had without throwing up a wall of claiming tgat the core essence is a watch.

[ocean beacon]

No one speaking against lame criticism has said the game is perfect, but most of the doomers have said the game is bad and that everything will end if we dont review bomb and give constant negative feedback to make it good

[plush edge]

ror2's timer does like actually nothing to the game, i could spend five hours on stage one and win every run, its all just dependent on items

[trim umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/snail-water-insect-slug-reflection-gif-724669248459748057

[brazen surge]

piggy backing on this to say I basically play ror 2 like the timer doesn't exist. That's how much of a non-mechanic it is.

[clear nimbus]

Not really. Early access is pretty transparent. The devs were very clear about the product they are selling. Refund options are available. You can even leave a negative review if you like.

What’s not okay is squatting in the games discord complaining 24/7

[dreamy sundial]

I'll be real, my only issue with Rogue Core at the moment is that it lacks the spice that makes DRG such an amazing community game

[dusky compass]

Tbf that's not so much team play as "4 people scavenging the same box"

Team play would be each get some upgrades of their own, and what they don't pick goes into the leftover box you can pick from if you don't like your own.

Carrot, from. Stick and carrot works way better as game design

[haughty radish]

I already had lol
But not the upgrade kind
Someone who rushes ahead and starts events triggering a breach without even saying a word
Our Retcon was left behind cause everyone rushed to the event
Guy died and immediately quit
Can't blame him for that. That was just dogshit behaviour

[sharp current]

the upgrade system is a mixed bag for me, i think its actually awesome when im playing with friends, and i think makes the game unplayable with randoms

[near rapids]

Hello

[marsh tide]

The people who bought the game are coming to the very officially endorsed community to voice their opinions, how is that not okay? The link to this discord is right there when you open the game?

[dreamy sundial]

one, there aren't extra materials. Two, there aren't the social stuff that makes being a miner such an amazing thing

[sharp current]

i both ahve friends and also enjoy cooper, so i dont have an issue

[gritty valve]

So far I've had a pretty good experience with randoms. Nobody has fought over upgrades in my games and everyone is very considerate regarding the hearting system.

[gaunt perch]

LMAO these ppl should have seen DRG in early access. It was extremely rough

[dreamy sundial]

I've only played one run and I can tell the upgrade system is going to feel needlessly awkward, but- exactly! This game's undercooked

[lime plover]

What class are people using the most?

[sharp current]

i would turn that system off in open queues though, maybe a toggle in lobby creation?

[idle tangle]

Wait is there a 6 hour timeout here?

NVM, they lied

[summer dew]

LOL

[vestal bridge]

I understand this is a roguelite but the game feels harder with other players than solo

[carmine zenith]

You were too slow for the slowmode, it got away

[sharp current]

slicer seems to be the favorite, maybe im wrong

[short yacht]

I dont fw doomers either, thats why I mentioned them too in my original message, maybe "glazing" was not the best choice of words, but believe me, we probably agree on more things than you think, also yeah as much as I think that negative feedback is feedback too, if its just shitting on the game without genuine criticism, its just useless and breeds more negativity among people

[haughty radish]

It would be funny if two people hearted the same upgrade and then would have to do rock paper scissors to decide which of them get it 😂

[gaunt perch]

The group for weapons/upgrades has to get reworked though

[rare wave]

Okay, so is the game worth the price tag is what I am wondering? Want to get it but was curious if I should wait for a sale

[summer tiger]

They can tho, all they need to do is to switch to drg_legacy

[sour ember]

falcon seems the most fun class for me

[dusky compass]

I was there, in the bloody dawn of time. Yes it could lock up your pc if you used too many flares. But at its CORE design it was already fun and good

[lime plover]

I think people easily get what slicer does, so most people pick him

[nimble fulcrum]

hello rogue corers

[dreamy sundial]

I'd say wait until we have a couple patches

[tranquil escarp]

Managed to beat the boss on my first run while solo. Pretty neat game, though I do think that the time limit is pretty rough.

[short yacht]

rog cork

[summer dew]

hard to recommend at the price point

[vestal bridge]

I enjoy all classes except for recon

[carmine zenith]

how many rouge corn reacts can we get in chat

[dusky compass]

In its current state I'd say worth ten euros at best

[carmine zenith]

I'm thinking 0

[rare wave]

Zamn

[subtle zinc]

Objectively no, unless you are specifically into playing early access in a very alpha feeling stage

[frigid birch]

Rogue my core

[shrewd ravine]

Holy shit is this game fun, just plowed 10 hours in a row and I'm only stopping because it's unreasonably late lmao
I'd like to remind people this game was just gonna be a drg dlc, and ended up being a full game much like Silksong was for hollow knight
Personally it's giving me all the replayability I was missing after playing 1000+ hours in drg, and I'm very excited to see what direction the game is gonna take, and what future content the devs are cooking.
There's a lot of work to do to make the experience more enjoyable imo, for instance it's a little frustrating sometimes to constantly have to group up to get drone upgrades, but since everybody is ending up at the elevator anyway, it wasn't that big of a deal for all the games I played in my 10 hour session

[shrewd glen]

I wish duos had more going for them cause that's by far the hardest combo, 4 people is great, solo is great, but duos you're running off the same scaling solo gets (2 per resup and such) without any of the forgiveness of solo.

[dreamy sundial]

The gameplay loop's super unfinished

[carmine zenith]

ah heck, we've been corned

[gritty valve]

I actually had two people heart the same upgrade during my last game, but what happened was one of them decided to choose another upgrade after seeing that the other person wanted it too

[inner granite]

Corn

[brazen cloud]

you are still here complaining, why not just ignore this channel bro

[gaunt perch]

More difficult, more random runs, less interesting caves, annoying team upgrade system. Watch some play videos and makea call

[sharp current]

his movement is also nuts and its pretty easy to make that swing do big damage, shields okay i gyuess

[dreamy sundial]

I think rather than being turn-based like it currently is, it should be a communal timer

[delicate herald]

I mean in general the timer should be more linear per stage, not as slow as ror2's timer, but not as sudden death-like the current timer is
because I always felt like I had enough time with my team to do everything, and starting the elevator wasn't really hard since we were already grouped up to defend it
though with the current system, it should cycle from green, yellow, and red. indicating which stage of difficulty you're at

[near oxide]

you could just wait a couple months to a year till they iron all the issues out. game isnt going to stay in the current state it is for long given how good the gsg dev team is

[summer tiger]

I can recommend it, played it in playtests for 150h, saw all the development and decided to support it. If you don't have expectation for the game to be DRG2 but an analogue of what Nightreign was to Elden Ring, then the game is for you. If you don't like it within 2hrs you can always refund it.

[tranquil escarp]

Since there are people who enjoy the current loot system and people who hate it, why not have a toggle between the current loot system and an instanced one? That would satisfy both sides.

[near oxide]

as long as they dont pull a helldivers this is the worst state the game will ever be in

[dusky compass]

Because I'd like to steer it to being good and fun. I'd like to have a good game to return to. I managed to get shard defractor from being shit in DRG to being one of the most loved weapons with feed back 😂 so why not give it the old try here?

[marsh tide]

For the people who been here longer and know more the direction the devs are going, are there any words on rerolls and banishes? Kind of annoying to not have these staple mechanics, specially when you're last to pick

[brazen cloud]

if u want it to be old drg then play old drg

[elder garnet]

Nailed first mission and reclaimed the factory. I like how ass beating boss is. I really like it

[dreamy sundial]

I think the current loot system can be good

[barren pivot]

one of the issues i have with the reapers showing up is when you're doing the elevator or in a fight, it is really hard to tell they actually showed up, so you will be fighting for you life on one side of the elevator to cover the gen and your teammate(s) are on the other and suddenly someone is screaming for help beacuse the timer just rolled over and they go grabbed from behind as the head goes through terrain

[wispy sleet]

where are the DRAGON

[unborn tartan]

For me its feels too much like DRG but like a downgraded version.

[left imp]

Guys, can you add a bench press to the gym lol?

[brazen cloud]

I like the new direction

[mint sail]

no cup rack in the droppod is wild

[subtle zinc]

Yep, roguelike part too weak, so what's left is boneless DRG

[dreamy sundial]

the main thing I'm noticing is 1) the lack of side objectives and 2) the lack of memes

[echo gale]

Looking forward to teams that can figure out when to cut and run

[short yacht]

Two dragons walk into a bar
one of them says "Its kind of hot in here"
the other responds "close your mouth"

[delicate herald]

in my 2 pub runs I didn't really have an issue with the upgrades, if somebody tagged something while another was deciding, they wouldn't take the item if they were hovering over it and instead pick another item, and I respected other peoples tags
though it's not exactly hard to pick something else with how the upgrades can be kinda dull at times, you see far too many of the same ones and less of ones that are actually interesting (like mag size, even though it's also the same tier as those other upgrades)

[sharp current]

you are looking for cooper ngl

[dusky compass]

This is THE problem, concentrated down to a droplet.

[near oxide]

to be fair about the memes part, itd suck if they tried to force another "we're rich" or "mushroom", its best to let those happen naturally in the community and expand on them after is my opinion

[echo gale]

I don’t want to play a multiplayer game solo

[shrewd ravine]

I actually quite like how messy and chaotic the game is lmao, gets my blood pumping like drg used to until I got used to the higher difficulty

[summer tiger]

Soon when people manage to play the game for longer that 5 hours

[pine skiff]

BIG BONEY BONE!

[dreamy sundial]

the side objectives feel like they'd be pretty easy, even just resource ores other than Expenite

[delicate herald]

PLEASE give us voicelines for the expedite deposits ghost ship
I NEED to ping the big green rock

[echo gale]

Big bones was good

[haughty radish]

This is a rougelite
It plays pretty well solo

[fallow shard]

Can you even bother to test your enemy pathing? I can't believe ALL enemies no clip in this game. The pods, the snake thing at red alert, all of the corespawn? Is that just not a priority at all? When the enemies didn't even do that in the first game?

Why even bother wasting people's time if that isn't even done in the first place?

[dreamy sundial]

I keep scanning the walls for nitra and gold, and there just isn't any

[barren pivot]

From what most steam reviews say and i can understand, the roguelite aspect is severely hurt by the desire to make everything communal other than biobooster and workbench. You could have a couple good items and the rest are bad, and based on builds and being curtious of one another, you just end up having to take a shit item because thats whats left. I end up having to go flare gun every mission because i know no one wants to run it and with how much the spawn blend in and how many angles they come from, you really need it

[summer tiger]

Mushroom stuff is already in the game, you just gotta get to Fungal Bogs

[pearl flower]

How do I pick a mission? The terminal wont let me lol

[haughty radish]

We're not rich 🥀

[shrewd glen]

Even base DRG plays well solo tbh, this game especially.

[vital cairn]

you can rotate the map by dragging with the mouse

[gritty valve]

Yeah I haven't seen mag size more than once so far. But I did end up with the artifact that doubles your ammo and nades at the cost of 10% ms

[rustic plank]

quick question : Now that the game has actually been released, there's not going to be any more data wipes, right?

[pearl flower]

Oh I'm dumb

[fading mural]

ive been enjoying the game, i only feel like it needs a few more secondary objectives and better movement. Everyone needs more movement and enemies need to have a bit more IQ. I don't mind the "mindless ant" NPC AI on DRG but they become easy to trap after 5+ runs

[shrewd ravine]

At least you can still find the occasional lootbug, even though they have cancer now xD

[summer tiger]

There shouldn't be any

[vital cairn]

yeah it took me a minute too 😂

[gentle zephyr]

my favorite traversal tool by an insane landslide is the antigrav emitter this thing feels busted for both combat and actual movement

[barren pivot]

go to the central terminal and look for the mission icons, complexity dictates how weird the gaves generate, length affects floors/levels, and depth is difficulty

[paper stump]

I def feel like moving past ea this game is gonna expand a lot since its been taking priority over main drg for quite a while

[rustic plank]

Good to know my progress will actually count for something now

[sharp current]

strong agree

doesnt feel op though, just feels fun

[barren pivot]

antigrav is so much fun, very versatile and an overall wonderful tool

[torpid plover]

I miss the impact feeling of pick axe power attack in DRG 🙁 in RC it feels kinda off

[summer tiger]

Noe that you paid for it yeah, before it was a random chance you got in

[true chasm]

this comes from a non-drg player, but zipline feels absolutely awful to use (wrong reply)

[gentle zephyr]

it entirely stopping fall damage even if you graze the barrier is what makes it feel op for me, even in a disasterous cave for the boss there's enough resupplies and whatnot to basically make it feel like you're swimming LOL

[dreamy sundial]

also, what I don't like about this game coming straight from DRG is that it feels like it's trying to recreate the vanilla DRG classes without having the classes

[lone palm]

don't worry it felt awful in DRG as well lol (i didn't play gunner much)

[summer tiger]

Animation got a bit faster

[leaden yacht]

join my first game
about to run out of time
sees big crystal
told chat "We need to leave"
gets ignored
does big crystal
out of time
dies
gets kicked

[shrewd ravine]

grav nades are heavily underrated, I see too many people skip them when they're the closest thing to the scout grapple in this game, although I tend to go for flares cause I like being able to see xD

[delicate herald]

haven't gotten to artifacts yet, as I've only had 3 runs total (all of which were incredibly fun)
but the reliance on workbench upgrades for the interesting stuff just isn't as interesting as getting them as a perk. plus in general with the workbenches they generally feel like they tunnel you into just upgrading your primary unless you see like a purple secondary with good stats

[haughty radish]

Yeah this seems pretty common

[leaden yacht]

I had such a good build too

[barren pivot]

zipline is nice for when you need to go up and down an area somewhat regularly, its better than the foam launcher for getting to places conveniently, but also leaves you vulnerable and isnt friendly to 2 way traffic

[sharp current]

the name reminds me of the ones from repo which suck major ass so i almost skipped over them ngl

[south mortar]

i was like that in drg
curious what is that thing named core stone so i break it , trigger a boss and get kicked

[gentle zephyr]

i do wish our base flares were a wee bit stronger . we're reclaimers can i get a little bit of vision please

[summer tiger]

Shhhh, don't tell them. Less people pick it, more is left for us

[finite pike]

so how does one get the 500 merit reward for being in this dc

[leaden yacht]

core stone can be annoying without zipline setups, you got kicked for not giving them time most likely

[summer tiger]

It's bugged atm

[wary tiger]

It do be a bit bugged at the moment

[subtle zinc]

Noticed this too, taking a secondary just doesn't really make sense, just keep buffing your primary so it's even more ammo efficient rather than having two weaker guns that just eat through ammo

[haughty radish]

People are just not communicating on so many occasions. They think they can just star expenite events with zero regard to the team and time
I guess they will learn and adapt eventually
Or quit. Either is fine

[true chasm]

This is absolutely the biggest problem, the few games I played were so RNG with maps, either I can get to elevator in 2 mins and there are no side objectives, or there are 3 side objectives down a 5km hallway away from the elevator. So that makes the timer feel worse than it is

[south mortar]

i was a greenbeard at that time and i barely knew how to play the game lol

[sharp current]

it can make sense with the heavy weapons, but most things arent worth taking in this game

[barren pivot]

also, maybe this is just me, but do you guys think each class should start with 1 weapon by default that they always have between runs with no modifiers on them? that way even if you get shit on starting loot, you have something to fall back on, and maybe have the option to discard it at workbenches?

[shrewd glen]

You can upgrade your main ability too tbf so at minimum it's between primary and that.
But yeah you don't take a secondary from workbench much.

[delicate herald]

I genuinely wish you could upgrade your support items at the workbenches
and I wish there were more support items in the pool in general, since it's pretty much guaranteed that your team will have the same support loadout across multiple games unless you see a good modifier

[gentle zephyr]

maybe if the weapon is flare gun so i can SEE RAAAH RAAAH RAAAH RAAAAH

[haughty radish]

If your starter weapon sucks, you can have another roll on the workbench

[subtle zinc]

Yeah the heavy weapons chest is the only time it felt kinda worth as the weapons already come pretty well upgraded on their own

[shrewd ravine]

guys we need to bring back "R" in the chat, I know we're all excited to play the game and try everything but starting events without making sure everybody is ready is a death sentence, even more in this game I feel

[barren pivot]

problem i see with that is it would just add way more stuff to fill the upgrade pool sadly

[leaden yacht]

problem being that a lot of players don't do risk assessment and just greed

[umbral prism]

This game is pretty peak. I love it. Just finished a 12-hour nonstop marathon 😭

[delicate herald]

I don't think I've upgraded my ability once, though I've only played slicer in my 3 runs

[shrewd glen]

There's a lot of good stuff in there.

[summer minnow]

I just woke up and I'm already about to hop on #ThisFuckingGameIsSoGoodBro

[worn ermine]

it seems odd to me that they'd take a game that has done so well largely because playing with randoms is actually fun and introduce a system where people can actively get in each others' way by the simple act of taking upgrades

[fading mural]

I would also like to see a few more multiplayer synergies come to the game, like an Engineer freezing people that a shotgun Scout zooms pasts to blast into pieces in DRG, or gear-based choices like a REX trapping people that a Loader can mow down in Risk of Rain 2

Characters so far feel pretty well developed but only in the mindset that they are the main DPS that's gonna carry which is not great on a full lobby

[leaden yacht]

like bro we are all greenbeards, we don't need this much upgrades at the cost of failing the mission

[limpid osprey]

It feels like retcon's entire existence is to keep the toxic scout mains happy

[gentle zephyr]

i will be beelining it straight to the hyperphase pickaxe parts these things look immaculate

[barren pivot]

also, i feel like the enhancement tree is kind of a mess, they really dont want you to be able to focus certain enhancements without spending crazy amounts of chips

[leaden yacht]

I wanna be a retcon main but idk how exactly to utilize em

[haughty radish]

😭 😭 😭

[gritty valve]

I've kinda felt the same about the workbench but I've been pivoting to a melee focused playstyle

[delicate herald]

I'm very disappointed that there aren't any heavy weapons in the first pick weapon pool, I genuinely feel like if all of the weapons were in the main pool there would be a lot more variety

[summer minnow]

Retcon exists to make me specifically happy, I love getting away with stupid things that would kill me as any other character
The savescum character is fun methinks

[worn ermine]

step 1: activate ability
step 2: completely and utterly waste all of your ammo
step 3: profit

[leaden yacht]

probably in the same pool as Slay the Spire 2 devs when they want to synergize but not so much as to break it

[south mortar]

finally figured out how to beat the first boss and i kicked his ass

[haughty radish]

We need some unique heavy weapon designs absolutely

[shrewd glen]

I'd love a modifier that replaces the starting pool with heavy weapons.

[subtle zinc]

Enhancement tree feels like it's there just to be there, there isn't a single upgrade that's even remotely interesting in there

[shrewd ravine]

Oh btw randomly, extremely based of the devs to let me put a beard on my falconer Dwarfette 10/10 game just for that

[mossy pagoda]

does the sword count as melee damage?

[leaden yacht]

todd howard finally figured out he needs to toss the meatballs into the bowl

[sharp current]

nothing in that entire tree does anything either ngl

[umbral prism]

Guys, I beat a Depth-2 Mission with a level 1 non-upgraded retcon 😭
Using the explody pistol.

I somehow did it. I am built different

[barren pivot]

yah, some of the numbers are silly low and hard to notice

[shrewd ravine]

so like the perks in drg lmao

[worn ermine]

well, you can equip multiple of the same perk from different tiers in this game

[sharp current]

shit will really say 3% crit chance and we are supposed to be amazed

[shrewd glen]

DRG has interesting perks it just has a set in stone meta that ruins variety of them.

[barren pivot]

oi, some of the perks were great, like making lootbugs self destruct, or steve

[haughty radish]

In my first mission I went spotter and it took me 7 minutes to kill the boss with the stubby 😭

[subtle zinc]

Kinda yes, but in DRG it's just a side system to making loadouts, here it's the main meta progression

[sharp current]

drg had like 4 perks that did something, this game has genuinely zero

[crisp vine]

I managed to beat my first ever mission in the game solo without going down once, that was pretty cool lmao

[delicate herald]

plus with heavy weapons being in the pool or as a modifier, you would actually think about making a secondary at the workbench so you can maximize element combos and damage bonuses

[gentle zephyr]

i will absolutely be investing in the 'qol' ones . lower spread, faster interactions, increased safe fall distance (assuming this stops the stagger), faster reload? yes PLEASE

[sick narwhal]

leveled classes even promoted classes matter very little in RC compared to DRG

[barren pivot]

doesnt ascendency allow you to adjust biobooster perks or something?

[subtle zinc]

Sure QOL is nice, but it all just feels a bit too boring

[shrewd glen]

Promoted classes only matter for slicer and retcon so you can deck swap and get momentum and death resonance on Retcon

[dreamy sundial]

your pickaxe I guess

[viral drum]

i feel like the fact that you HAVE to stay together to activate some of the perks choosing is ruining game pacing and it would be better if every upgrade would work like weapon upgrade or biohack

[sick narwhal]

it allows you to swap 1 bio booster deck with another promoted class, it doesn't really matter but can make your builds a lot stonger

[gentle zephyr]

pickaxe is actually quite good in this game. love how it actually swings faster instead of slower when meleeing something

[barren pivot]

yah, but how nice would it be to be able to start with 1 pistol, unupgraded each game so even if you get screwed, you have something you like? just the one

[dreamy sundial]

I imagine we'll get a ton more weapons and tools as patches go on

[shrewd ravine]

the thing is, I find it weird that enhancements give you stuff that you can also just get on the workbench with way higher values, why would I care about getting +10 or + 15 reload speed when the workbench upgrade for it gives me like 50% in one shot ?

[barren pivot]

if i could get that charge pistol each game, i would be happy, that thing slaps

[sharp current]

you can also get a pickaxe customization in the first 40 hours

[leaden yacht]

and also the heavy battle rifle, peam gun

[shrewd ravine]

I was expecting the workbench to give upgrades on the level of Overclocks, instead of the basic modifiers from the loadout terminal

[barren pivot]

some bug tries to run me down, but i burn 15 rounds to send them to meet satan

[gentle zephyr]

dunno, i assume just to make the earlier part of the mission smoother? i doubt i will be putting much actual straight damage ones

[delicate herald]

in general I think the workbench system needs improvements, maybe a item system where you can find upgrade cores around the map and bring them to the workbenches, allowing you to upgrade that item
so like a weapon core, a support core, a grenade core, and so on
you could find multiple, and they could be alternative rewards for the side quest

[dreamy sundial]

YES! ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT HALF THE WEAPONS ALREADY HAVE CORES

[sick narwhal]

it heavily depends on what gun you are upgrading, however if you see +X element you just grab it and don't think about it. It's an insane power boost to the weapon

[delicate herald]

this is absolutely true, but it's still a big gripe

[barren pivot]

maybe just adding one additional weapon crate on the second floor or something, remove the guns from the workstation

[shrewd glen]

We have some like that, easily need more, and stuff like embedded dets should be a universal option that guns can get instead of a zhukovs exclusive or such.

[tacit briar]

luv my +40% fire charge pistol:3

[gentle zephyr]

embedded dets on an autocannon 🔥

[dreamy sundial]

also I'm surprised we don't have the Crossbow as a support tool, as far as I know

[haughty radish]

Warthog with embedded detonators 🔥

[delicate herald]

that too, they could literally add the cores from drg as lootable upgrades for your weapons, adding more unique modifiers to your runs

[barren pivot]

i remember my friend got that really nice, 9 shot semi auto pistol to start with, but it rolled with +1 burst, so it made it completly shit because it killed the recoil and burned ammo lol

[sick narwhal]

I do enjoy Cryo being bad in RC because you can get a lot of weakpoint boosting options and fire is still prevalent so that's the only one I don't auto click

[shrewd glen]

Just make it an actual weapon and it always drops with at least 1 modifier that modifier being the special bolt it gets which a few more options than base drg has even.

[dusk mountain]

Even more so when level ups kinda give you the same upgrade

[shrewd ravine]

I got a freeze damage Auto cannon with increased AOE during a run, absolutely disgusting y'all

[true chasm]

Gunfire Reborn has a unique skill tree for each class, this should have the same imo

[gentle zephyr]

my bulldog in my most recent run was doing like 400 damage a shot it was beautiful, and then when i reloaded i got like a 50% speed boost for 4 seconds which was basically just permanent

[sick narwhal]

it does just not a skill tree

[delicate herald]

the skill tree could definitely use some love too

[fading mural]

It would be nice to see more fundamental loadout changes to the upgrade tree. Just purely numerical stuff feels less interesting for a combat game like this one.

Making stuff feel more like unstable overclocks and whatever happens, happens.

[dreamy sundial]

platform guns always have the anti-fall plascrete

[median storm]

I just got super fun build by accident, I joined in late and got gk2 with some poison by the end of the run I had perks that everytime I reload I get poison AOE + everytime I deal poison damage I heal + faster reloads + everytime I deal AOE damage poison is added so I just ran around in crowds firing and spamming reloads healing myself like in DRG with the plasma carbine overclock that spawned a heat wave when overheating

[tall plume]

it's definitely not out of the picture for the future, remind yourself that it's still an EA game with a lot of features coming down the line

I, for one, would love a class focused tree

[shrewd glen]

Ability upgrades would be a great addition to the loadout on top of perks.

[tall plume]

we kinda have that in the workbrench atm but it's a bit lackluster

[barren pivot]

my favorite build i got to run was when i was running guardian and got tons of CD perks for standing still and was going into making my burst blast do damage

[delicate herald]

would love it if there were upgrades in the tree that gave you unique things, maybe like base kit perks and such
over the stat increases they are now

[median storm]

Id Like a shooting range just like some of the characters say in game when they find a cool weapon

[barren pivot]

that or the guardian build where i got 3 instances of "if allies are nearby, restore armor" because i never needed to use my armor bubble because i did it just was well

[shrewd glen]

One before the workbench (in the ramrod pre mission) would be great especially if it applies to not the main ability with options in addition to improving the workbench one yeah.

[delicate herald]

I had a silly crit run where most of my ammo and health came from hitting consecutive crits, wish there were more crit-procced perks

[tall plume]

I'd be up for both meta and in-run upgrades

[shrewd ravine]

That's my biggest criticism for the game at the moment, every type of upgrade feel like the exact same, and consists of adding a bit more numbers to your guns/tools

Oh you know what's the problem actually ? I think I figured it out. This game is designed like a bullet-heaven, like vampire survivor, all of the upgrades are just slightly bigger numbers on your stuff

[stone whale]

oh hello pounce

[barren pivot]

it would be nice if some of the enhancements we could get would let us add some modifiers to our starting weapon kind of like nightreign does

[tall plume]

hi

[stone whale]

i cant wait for people to start geting the gist of this gme and then we can really speedrunning this shit

[delicate herald]

honestly, with it put like that I completely agree
vampire-like upgrades don't work for something like rogue core, which is far more of a roguelike than a vampire survivor like

[subtle zinc]

Vampire survivors actually has way better meta progression though, you get so many new items and weapons through achievements and slowly get to figure out all the insane combinations. There just isn't any of that here

[trim vault]

I dunno, I feel really rushed rn

Kinda want to take the time to grab everything and explore.

[median storm]

I managed a Doom guy build with the boomstick were I got 4 bio boosters making me deal 20% more damage when in 2.5m of the enemy for each of them so at the end I got a boomstick with 6 shots dealing 80% more damage up close + insane fire rate boost so I could dump the entire magazine in less then a second and I also played slicer so my ability benefited from the up close boost too

[tall plume]

same

[shrewd ravine]

but you know what I mean tho ? It's in the same vein as a bullet heaven game

[barren pivot]

the struggle with it being set up like a bullet heaven or vampire-like, but in 3D where you need to be looking/shooting everywhere at times that you dont just dont scale well enough at times to win

[tall plume]

not really the game for that

[viral drum]

i would love to see upgrades that connect to each other heavily, right now it feels like theres just different tiers of upgrades that cant really flow into each other

[mortal topaz]

I think the shared pool of expanite upgrades could work, IF amount of choices was scaled properly to the size of team. At bare minimum it should be 3 of each player but even that might not be enough to remove friction.

Why random upgrade tables work for solo games is because there are sufficient options for that 1 person. Even with 2 players there aren't enough options to choose from. If you only ever get 0-2 good options, it's not going to feel great when everyone else has to pick scraps.

It wouldn't feel so bad to be left with scraps if those scraps still had decent options to pick from.

[tall plume]

it is scaled to the size of the team

[mortal topaz]

but not sufficiently at all

[brittle imp]

im not sure if this is just in the ramrod but my cpu usage is on 100%

[shrewd ravine]

extra health and being healed as a dump option feels so bad lol

[tall plume]

Doesn't the last person get the choice between 3 upgrades ? that sounds pretty good to me

[delicate herald]

they were talking about the upgrades in general, not meta progression
you can find combos, but the upgrades you get for your items being just pure stat upgrades doesn't really feel interesting

[barren pivot]

i kind of wish it was an armor upgrade over hp

[summer tiger]

Sometimes it's a really good choice

[subtle zinc]

Kinda I guess, if you mean that in the actual run it's all just numbers go up, then yes kinda

[shrewd ravine]

as a choice yeah, as a pity choice it feels horrible

[mortal topaz]

3 from which the only good option has been removed from. 3 options if there was a good chance of actually good upgrade would be good.

[viral drum]

mostly because supply pod does not restrore your health

[summer tiger]

I value health upgrade more than other upgrades, even epic ones

[blissful slate]

Trapped at work while the cores gone rogue..... this is worse than cave leaches

[tall plume]

[vital cairn]

I mean the person who gets first pick does rotate with each choice so it's not like you'll never get a good one

[subtle zinc]

I guess I can see that, though survivors at least has the item evolutions which can be quite exciting. Is there anything close to those in this game?

[shrewd ravine]

management is breathing down your neck, stop dancing and get to it

[tranquil escarp]

I am still of the opinion that players should be allowed to choose between the current looting system and an instance based one, where everyone gets their own choices.

[stone whale]

yeah i did 3 runs yesterday and the last run went pretty smooth, sometimes i was in front of the team, sometimes i was behind them (my navigtional skill still suck) but even though the average playtime is longer you could def go speed

[mortal topaz]

giving more options wouldn't remove the part of negotiating, but the chance of hard feelings and friction would be greatly reduced.

[tall plume]

hard disagree on this

[median storm]

I think the tactically in choosing perks for you and communicating with your team who takes what and what fits is part of the game with kore choice that wouldn’t be the case cause you wouldn’t really have to plan and communicate who gets what in a limited choice and who benefits from what the most

[tall plume]

But I would love more player agency at a price

[stone whale]

also i think im sticking with spotter cuz i cant see shit or aim for shit
rotted on the lok1

[barren pivot]

thats honestly why i wish the hp booster was an armor booster instead. With you only getting armor from resupplies, bulking up armor to also work with other persk would be nice. I dont know many perks that work with hp other than "have > or < % hp"

[median storm]

Planing and choosing who gets what and who benefits from what the most is part of the game

[vague socket]

The negotiation system needs a lot of fleshing out in the UI/UX department

[subtle zinc]

Whats tactical about the current system though, theres usually one or two upgrades everyone wants and the rest is utterly worthless garbage

[tranquil escarp]

It makes me feel like a bad friend when I pick the better upgrade and my friend has to take a far less good one. (Though this is probably just a me thing, but it still sucks)

[dawn quarry]

Finally the games mostly positive on steam. thats where it should be.

[delicate herald]

nope, but that's absolutely something the game would benefit from, I'd rather get a decently good upgrade from picking 2 of the same upgrades (like a 20% bonus or so, or a tier evolution on that perk) over the perks just stacking

[trail palm]

Tactically choose the blue upgrade so someone else gets stuck with 2% crit, duh

[summer tiger]

Not neccesely, I often allow people to pick better upgrades because they don't do much for me

[median storm]

That’s true but with good polish and rebalance it would work the runs I did most perks were good and most people found perks fitting there build and sometimes we had to discus who benefits from what the most

[viral drum]

i didnt play a lot but i havent seen any perks that would interconnect to other stuff we have, like something that makes our flares go boom, or making beacons for flying molly into mines/ shield points where drone would create a gunner shield or smth like that

[barren pivot]

my group doesnt really run into issues fighting over perks because we mostly identify some stuff that we are certain will be best for one player, its mostly the starting weapons and heavy weapons where it gkind of sucks, because only 1 person can have the grenade launcher that makes you feel good

[acoustic kettle]

Aw lame :(

[tall plume]

Dunno, I usually just pick what goes into my build the best personally, not just the "better upgrade".
Maybe that's why a lot of people don't see synergies ? idk

[dusk mountain]

I really expected there to be these upgrades from the workshop like overclocks
The weapon upgrades we have can stay, we can count it as green overclock, but overclocks that give buffs and debuffs at the same time or completely change how weapons work give replayability
For now, I have the impression that there is no replayability, the only thing that changes is the weapon or grenade
I only have 5-6 hours so far, so idk

[acoustic kettle]

I played a few rounds when it dropped today, but wanna wait for my friends to play more x.x

[summer tiger]

Just because something is shiny, doesn't mean it will do anything for you

[median storm]

Theres a Full Auto version of the grenade launcher too and when you combine it with more mag size perks it turns into a explosive AR

[barren pivot]

nothing modifies the support tools, and i think other than CD, none of the ultimate/ QE abilities get changed by perks or bio

[gentle zephyr]

me skipping out on the insane damage bonus so that my 4 round revolver makes me faster when im reloading (often) (very often) (i got it again and damn near had full uptime it was immaculate)

[shrewd ravine]

idk what kind of lobbies you guys have been in but people have been so nice and cooperative in all the games I played, no one was chasing the crazy upgrades, and everybody was trying to help the others get coherent builds

[opal belfry]

Is there like a way to manually trigger Retcon's warp
Or you really just have to wait for that timer and hope you don't get blasted

[mortal topaz]

the vast majorit of upgrades feel like they have 0 synergy with what we're doing, hence why calling them garbage.

[subtle zinc]

Build being either going for +crit or +damage? Maybe a feisty melee build? Are there even any other builds in the game?

[median storm]

If I go to join lobby it doesn’t show any, is there and way to que up cause when I host a public game no one joins

[tall plume]

Half of my build on the last run was white upgrades because it was scaling off my cryo gun
Stone skin for daaaays

[summer tiger]

Q + left click to activate, q+ right click to deactivate

[viral drum]

thats a shame, would be nice to see something like that in other game, like what if you could make drills create spiral flame attacks or light gun works like thermite grenade from hd2

[median storm]

Theres super fun elemental build which heal you or infinitely stun targets

[opal belfry]

oh

[barren pivot]

would be cool, but it would also add a bunch more stuff you needed to put into the lootpool sadly

[subtle zinc]

Interesting, haven't seen much ways to get to that one, guess I need to play even more

[tall plume]

Literally had a run where I had a gun doing cryo, so I picked everything cryo-related. I just took one epic upgrade and I ended up very tanky.

there are a lot of synergies if you experiment around with elemental stuff

[shrewd ravine]

traversal tool upgrades in the workbench to turn the zipline into a weapon when

[summer tiger]

We are not saying that the game doesn't need more upgrades, we are saying that for first iteration of EA it has plenty. More will come down the line

[hazy patio]

Get over here!

[echo gale]

Zipline’s already cracked in this

[viral drum]

i think that it wouldnt hurt further in development, currently all i want is sound fix, i play on 1% and sometimes i have these heat/freeze sounds that hurts my ears, i scared to raise the volume lol

[hollow marten]

yea, zipline feels so nice now

[echo gale]

Turns out increased speed does things to it

[viral drum]

zipline upgrade into 2 portals

[barren pivot]

when i play guardian, i only really get 2 options for perks, stand still CD or stun dmg

[brazen cloud]

zippity zip

[mortal topaz]

now it doesn't require elevator music anymore

[hazy patio]

My friend immediately complained "the fuck, the Zipline is good. This ain't my gunner*.

[shrewd ravine]

ayo going back to regular drg is gonna feel so weird lol

[naive matrix]

heard the new game flopped to a degree?

[median storm]

For example I made a poison bio,d that spawned a poison cloud on reload and then got a perk that healed me everytime I dealt poison damage then I got some reload speed buffs and more poison damage to my AR and a perk that when I walk around I spawn poison clouds so I could just walk around reload and heal myself

[gentle zephyr]

did a movement build using hot feet and a buncha movespeed. was funny having sticky flames on my feetsies

[storm junco]

im curious if devs had an idea to make the game similar to deep dives. like you go deeper and get stronger every area you clear until you decide to extract. i feel l ike that would be a better roguelike experience than trying to speedrun each mission without properly experiencing your build. what's your take on this?

[viral drum]

i dont use his offensive projectile at all, is it any good and i sleeping on it?

[pastel skiff]

Its been less than 24 hours, you cant call it a flop

[summer tiger]

Nah, people overreacted

[brazen cloud]

mostly for those that wanted DRG 2

[echo gale]

I mean on the other hand: the minigun feels like dogwater in this compared to the beasts I got tweaked out in drg

[mortal topaz]

blame the customers never work

[naive matrix]

I mean you can tell if its shit or not

[hollow marten]

I honestly think removing the timer would be the best thing to do

[gentle zephyr]

bro its early access and its been like a day i cant call it a flop what are we ON ABOUT

[shrewd ravine]

and it's not 😌

[fading mural]

steam reviews are really overreactive, mainly people with 0.2 hr playtime getting mad at people for having a positive opinion about the game they actually getting to play

[naive matrix]

dope

[echo gale]

The timer is literally the point and what makes it all work

[barren pivot]

i personally feel like they suck without putting most of your workbench upgrades into increasing their dmg or stun duration. otherwise the feel really inconsistent and dont do enough without tons of upgrades

[limpid bramble]

Sometimes, the customers suck, service workers are quite experienced in this field

[summer tiger]

First they have to get more info on Gauntlets, then they might think about implementing infinite runs

[hazy patio]

We can. All day every day. Devs can't and won't. But people are awfully stupid these days. Especially on the internet.

[pastel skiff]

The game is fun imo

[median storm]

On workbenches the perk that lets you deal certain % of your damage as an element is very common

[limpid bramble]

A lot of people were upset that the game has mechanics. That's really it just mechanics.

[hazy patio]

And women.

[shrewd ravine]

actually when the customers are gamers it's pretty justified

[torn crag]

I got one with ricochet and fire based on missing ammo and it was pretty good