rogue-core-chat

[raw ridge]

And nobody should be bashed for that

[sick jetty]

And that's true too

[runic tiger]

I don't know much about tf2 so I dont rly know what that means

[rancid ermine]

Im pretty sure they said that once it comes out it'll probably be bundled with drg

[raw ridge]

Is that supposed to justify the mid seasonal mechanic?

[grand acorn]

They did post the detailed roadmap why not read that

[raw ridge]

(in my opinion at least)

[grand acorn]

Get the info directly from the devs

[drowsy geode]

🤔

[raw ridge]

Why does it have it's own steam store page then

[runic tiger]

I did watch the livestream but I dont even rly understand what a roguelike is so it doesnt tell me much

[rancid ermine]

during the game you can spend currency for upgrades on yourself while fighting the hoardes of robots.

[grand acorn]

The roadmap not the stream

The roadmap explains how it works in detail

[atomic sequoia]

For the love of Karl y'all just read the pins of this channel

[runic tiger]

they showed the roadmap on the stream

[rancid ermine]

you can bundle multiple games together man.

Im pretty sure they said it might be bundled together on stream

its not like dlc, its like when a publisher sells the whole trilogy of a game series as a bundle

like the mafia games or the orange box

[atomic sequoia]

Basically like the orange bo- yea

[rancid ermine]

haha

[atomic sequoia]

Damn you mobile keyboard

[drowsy geode]

i mean for me its doing its job
being annoying virus thats you want destroy as fast as you can

[rancid ermine]

nah just regular keyboard friend

[atomic sequoia]

I'm talking about myself

[stable horizon]

ohhh cool stuff

[sick jetty]

What I'm saying is the devs are already doing what they're doing, and you have a right to complain about them not doing what they said they would do, but you can also just choose to disengage and wait to see if something changes instead of intentionally making yourself suffer by playing something you dislike. Believe me I wish they would stick to the season cycle like they said, but I'm still excited for rc. Yes I'm tired of rockpox, yes I want new content added so the game stays fresh, but I, as well as everyone else, can just not play when I'm tired of it, and while we wait for the next announcement we can just play when we get an itch for DRG, remember what we don't like, and do our best to avoid it. Don't go on rockpox mission types, try out new builds, try modded stuff, or just don't do anything at all. But by no means am I saying you can't complain.

[rancid ermine]

ahh my bad pal

[sick jetty]

Sorry for the wall of text lmao

[grand acorn]

Game releases tomorrow according to devs hell yeah

[rancid ermine]

precisely

well said

[solemn zinc]

What game? DRG Survivor?

[stable horizon]

from what i read etc its either gonna be your stuck on hoxxes where your gonna have to build your own upgrades

[grand acorn]

Drg rc

Rogue core releases tomorrow

10 am est iirc

[atomic sequoia]

Survivor is already out technically

[solemn zinc]

Eh?

[burnt flume]

yo tomorrow? thats insane

[solemn zinc]

It releases tomorrow?

[stable horizon]

well ye

its supsoed to be a dlc

[burnt flume]

goddamn

[stable horizon]

that turne dinto a game

[solemn zinc]

What? Closed Alpha?

[stable horizon]

kind alike TOTK

[sick jetty]

I don't think you have any idea what I'm talking about lmao

[grand acorn]

Ye public alpha

[stable horizon]

i dont

[solemn zinc]

YOO NICE.

[atomic sequoia]

Y'all these guys are capping!!!

[rancid ermine]

I've been taking a bit of a hiatus with drg, not because I dislike the game but because I have a bug where I cant play online due to my ip address. I still come back to play solo when I want to play.

[drowsy geode]

karl lore fr

[stable horizon]

will it cost money for me to experience

[halcyon creek]

i don’t think it’s tomorrow

[stable horizon]

it seems liek its gonna have a story

[halcyon creek]

is there a post for it

[grand acorn]

It will, you have to paypal me 4 hundred thousand doller

[sick jetty]

Ok where do I send it to

[halcyon creek]

[rancid ermine]

public alpha will be free

its a test

[stable horizon]

wait an alpha that wont cost me the same price as the game?

what is this sorcery

[grand acorn]

You'll get access on payment (I'm gsg sales representative)

[atomic sequoia]

I mean look at battlebit the test was free

[rancid ermine]

im pretty sure most alphas and betas dont cost money do they?

[stable horizon]

AAA devlopment sudios

[sick jetty]

Bro when will we be able to purchase the early access ultimate deluxe dwarf bundle for 5 exclusive cosmetics and weapons

[small bough]

Survivor isn't already out

its Demo is out

not the same thing haha

[sick jetty]

Some do, it depends

[atomic sequoia]

Yea

[gilded sphinx]

Can we have the game footage/screenshots pinned

[rancid ermine]

well I've seldom come across that

[sick jetty]

Same, but you can't spell seldom without some

[small bough]

I don't think there's any gameplay footage for Rogue Core out, a few screenshots

unless I've missed something

[rancid ermine]

i think its just screenshots

[small bough]

regardless I've been getting more into rogue-lites recently so hearing GSG take a proper approach to the genre

that's hype

Roboquest and Gunfire Reborn have been fulfilling my need

and I guess Immortal Redneck

[sick jetty]

Guys, let's just record DRG footage, put a filter over it and badly overlay some graphics from the screenshots and call it early access footage

[small bough]

smart

[atomic sequoia]

Yup

[sick jetty]

Been drinking that stout brother

[atomic sequoia]

Or just take footage from early access drg

[sick jetty]

Nah nah that's different

[small bough]

considering the game is built ontop of DRG tech

that'll be exciting to see

[gilded sphinx]

I really hope upgrades are somewhat substantial

[small bough]

wonder if they'll be any cross progression between the 2 games

they did mention a idea of price reduction for DRG owners or bundling the games together

[atomic sequoia]

I like the concept of creating classes on the go

[small bough]

but even unlocks that you get for the other game would be cool

[gilded sphinx]

I hate it when you level up/finish a level in a rouge lite/like and got basically a better shoe or something that have like, 10% speed boost

[sick jetty]

Yeah

[small bough]

that's rogue-lites for ya 😉

[sick jetty]

I don't think the upgrades will be anything like thay

But who knows

[gilded sphinx]

So I hope we get some actual upgrades/modifications

[atomic sequoia]

"rouge lite"

[small bough]

well they mentioned it was rogue-lite and not rogue-like

[atomic sequoia]

Yea

[small bough]

so you won't be stripped down and lose everything

[atomic sequoia]

Muck...

[small bough]

the idea of more intense runs is neat though

I enjoy DRG Deep Dives but found them repetitive and once I unlocked all the weapon OCs I had no reason to complete them

to see a new game built around Deep Dives but expanded to it's own game

so DRG is the game you play for a casual experience and Rogue Core is the more challenging game

[hollow palm]

Well you will. There’s just also meta progression

Whether that means player stats and gear or just different things to unlock through the run will depend

[gilded sphinx]

Imagine wilder OCs

[hollow palm]

But most likely the majority of that progression will be the latter

[raw ridge]

We go to the core and there will be Karl innit

Karl IS Hoxxes

[sick jetty]

I want tool ocs

[gilded sphinx]

Tool oc

[hollow palm]

You were getting somewhere till you said that

[gilded sphinx]

Extra large, single use for falling platforms

[errant summit]

i saw the news for this game the other day! definitely gonna be playing it at launch :)

[hollow palm]

Hype yeah

[raw ridge]

😔

[runic tiger]

so you drop in, get random guns that you find and get new upgrades after each stage and then you kill a boss at the last stage?

[atomic sequoia]

Bro this ain't no battle royale

[hollow palm]

You drop in, scavenge, get upgrades for optional scavenges, and move on to the next cave

[hollow palm]

It’s literally called a drop pod. Weep

[raw ridge]

DRG Battle Royale when

[hollow palm]

Play driller

[atomic sequoia]

That's not what I meant

[runic tiger]

Im just asking if that's what it is, not saying that it is gonna work that way

[raw ridge]

But I get no crown for it

[hollow palm]

That seems to be the idea, we don’t know about bosses though

[atomic sequoia]

No no it wasn't directed towards you it was something else sorry for the confusion

[hollow palm]

Difficultly will allegedly scale, either with time or with depth

So I guess that’s the pressure to do the optional stuff for upgrades

imo the most important thing to have with the upgrades is to MAKE THEM INFO HEAVY

[gilded sphinx]

"i am bulletproof!"

[hollow palm]

If a gsg dev reads only one thing I ever say, it’s to make the roguelite upgrade choices as informative as possible

[atomic sequoia]

Yeah for example project zomboid without mods has really vague info on the skills

[hollow palm]

“Increases firerate” is not enough. What’s my current firerate, by what %, etc

[runic tiger]

honestly, I'm unsure if this is a good call cuz DRGs core gameplay works so well as it is, so not knowing what guns you'll play with and not getting to create different builds with OCs sounds like a downgrade. Also, the classes of DRG imo, are what makes the game so charming. Not seeing those fellas and instead have more elite and possibly less goofy dwarves might not be as good

[hollow palm]

Does it stack multiplicative or additive

[hollow palm]

DRG at its core is the co-op system and the intertwined combat+exploration gameplay loop that the co-op revolves around

RC allegedly aims to enable players to make builds as a team

[gilded sphinx]

From the screenshot, stats are provided

[pine quest]

we'll see

it depends on how the resources are shared

[gilded sphinx]

I can't send it

But yeah it's def very clear

Of the stats and upgrade

[pine quest]

RoR2 is fun but the co-op requires some tweaking or you almost feel like you're competing with your friends for supplies

[hollow palm]

Unmodded ror2 co-op is sickening yeah

Modded it’s great

[atomic sequoia]

Pretty sure the resources aren't shared but it would be cool if you could share them in intermission

[gilded sphinx]

So like drop/trade resources?

[atomic sequoia]

Basically yea

I wonder if they're gonna add back drop sentries

[torn drum]

Guys is Rogue Core out yet

[prime plover]

It's in pre alpha, they've only started development few months ago. Early access for the game will release in November next year

[torn drum]

Okay but is it out yet

Erm

[hollow wolf]

They released it for everyone but you

[torn drum]

God

Damn it

[burnt flume]

wait, early acces isnt going to be this november?

[prime plover]

Nope

Like I said, it's very early in development

Early access will be November next year

[burnt flume]

oh man

[prime plover]

Unless you get into the closed alpha

Which will happen in Q1 next year

[obsidian agate]

Can we fire fat boys in rogue core

[heady ermine]

Seeing as this game has some inspiration from risk of rain 2 and gunfire reborn, my biggest worry is the endgame. In both games items/upgrades tend to scale to a point where you're obliterating everything mobs and final boss included, to the point that it's boring after playing it for 100+ hours.

i hope that this game strives for a more grounded endgame which still feels difficult.

[slow loom]

I will fire you as a fat boy

[sand crypt]

As a fat boy, you're fired

[gleaming agate]

meh as long as we give feedback its probably gonna get hammered out, live through the alpha and whatever

unless it so happens they totally screw up and never fix it. lol

Hopefully it will be fun even on release, even if most likely unbalanced to actual player shenanigans

[mossy estuary]

Do we know if there will be melee-oriented builds?

[heady ermine]

A little bit of it is fine on the occasion, risk of rain 2 is a little much, gunfire reborn too much

But i have faith in the devs

[indigo zenith]

Need a DRG like Aliens Dark Descent

[old dock]

Do we know if rogue core will be available on console as well yet?

[desert gorge]

they said if they will give alpha version? or where to get it when it gets out?

[sullen mica]

GAH I WANT IT NOW! IT SEEMS SO FUN!
but I will wait because if I do then It will only become a better game

[whole trellis]

it's cool to hear they are making this, and what they shared of the gameplay sounds great. My only worry at this stage, is how they handle the tone.

They talked about the eliteness of the dwarves and how they are a crack team - but a lot of the charm in DRG is that you are the opposite of that. You are average joes, doing a tough job which is wildly unfair, and every random mishap feeds into that. Stepping away from the humorous side is risky.

[exotic silo]

wonder if we'll find karl

probably not...

[light quiver]

ahh, so Rogue Core will be RoR2 ala DRG?

[desert gorge]

its like uh gunfire reborn i guess

get % upgrades, get weapons and rellics and stuff

[noble quarry]

All the Breach the Core assignments are finally paying off

[desert gorge]

well even if they are a crack team, they still dwarves

[solemn vector]

So rogue core will be a horror-esque spin off of normal DRG?

[desert gorge]

will be a rogue like game

[solemn vector]

So like survivor

[desert gorge]

only horror is that is dark

i guess

[noble quarry]

yes but FPS and horror

[desert gorge]

yea

[solemn vector]

Sick

november 2024?

[daring sand]

what is rogue core

[noble quarry]

DRG spinoff that's a horror roguelike

[daring sand]

cool

[whole trellis]

true

[rich tangle]

Can’t wait for the rogue to go core

In rock deep galactic

[velvet marsh]

Yaaaooowhoaaah the core is roguin' out!!

[midnight jewel]

i can't wait to get some EXPenite so i can alloy it with my unobtanium

[orchid dagger]

cant wait for Baron von Expenite to show his face here

[rich summit]

Was kinda hoping a season of DRG would have abandoned mining structures in it (or maybe a mission type focused on them), so to be honest Rogue Core sounds pretty cool

[orchid dagger]

i will be sure to form a joint effort of bismor and expenite mining with him

[velvet marsh]

I can't wait to find out what ideas the devs have for Rogue Core's soundtrack, how different/similar do they want it to feel compared to DRG's

[slim grotto]

Salvage

[rich summit]

That's got a rocket and mini mules

I mean actual structures you'd walk through

[slim grotto]

Lasers around Tritilite deposit

[rich summit]

a structure to walk around, not a doohickey

goob

[fickle iris]

I would still love to see a full mission or snippets of the prototype even though it looks like dev texture vomit, just like you guys did way bacfor project dwarka and DRG pre-alpha.

[velvet marsh]

My personal pitch would be to retain the synthy retro sound, but make it slightly grander and more epic, since in Rogue Core it seems you're not so much putting on a playlist while you're working your job, you're actively going on an epic quest to reconquer the core

A crusade, if you will, 4 short hairy dudes waging war on a misbehaving planet

[versed tree]

I feel like it'd be cool if the music progressed along with the stages, turning more alien the deeper you go

Kinda like TF2s MVM, in a way? Where the little stingers that play when a wave is coming go from sounding robotic to having more and more human elements in them

[hollow bear]

Wonder if Mick Gordon is available

[dark osprey]

interesting, this coop or singplaier game?

[versed tree]

1-4 player coop

[dark osprey]

ok

[split axle]

has there been a similar game by any other publisher in that direction? one that one could learn from what totally went wrong and how not to do it?

i can't think of any similar game that really has coop in focus with this setup

if any games somewhat close like this are even multiplayer, then they are pvp

Rogue Core seriously sounds like something the world needs

[slow loom]

Risk of rain 2 but for myself i nevet played it

[split axle]

interesting, have to watch some gameplay vids. never heard of it

[slow loom]

Also a very good reviewed game on steam

[split axle]

rating 10/10???? or 9,5/10 depending on where you look.

wow

yeah really something the world needs 😄

and deep rock rogue core will always find it's own place to not feel the same

but cool to know that there is something else in this area

[royal axle]

Because I just read the "implementing damage numbers to clearly show power progression", it'd be a nice touch if the disappearing animation for the numbers would correspond to their damage type, like fire damage numbers burning up or ice damage numbers breaking like shattered ice

Though it'd maybe make the damage numbers harder to read, depending on how that's implemented

[split axle]

i see my graphic card burning 😄 but it is a nice take

[dim kite]

Would it count as a spin-offthough?
The graphics seem slightly improved...
There seem to be more biomes...
Different mission types I'm guessing...
More/different weapons?

[tiny shale]

I'm thinking it's more so like...

DRG 2?

In a sense?

DRG won't be dropped. Buuut....

Rogue Core is the new baby child y'know?

And you know how parents are with the younger children.

They get the attention, love, and new stuff all the time.

But at the same time, I think they're really trying to make it the DRG we all know and love, just with a bit of a twist.

[west magnet]

the team is largely focusing on baking rogue core to be great like drg, if they tried splitting up with both games then rogue core might not shine equally

[tiny shale]

Exactly, and truth be told... I felt like there was already so much you can add to Deep Rock Galactic.

I thought they were near their limit by Season 2 y'know?

[latent raptor]

My guess is that Rogue Core will be a mix or DRG, DRG:S, RoR2 and Gunfire and tbh im veeeeery exited for it

[west magnet]

Excited too, gl developers hope it goes smoothly

[latent raptor]

truly

[tiny shale]

Let's just hope it doesn't end up like Payday 3.

[latent raptor]

lmaO

I mean as long es it's not an always online game

[tiny shale]

I think Ghost Ship actually understands what teamwork actually is, so I don't think it will be.

[latent raptor]

yeah definetly

[tiny shale]

And I mean... Cmon... Who the hell cheats in DRG?

At least unironically y'know?

[west magnet]

Yeah they'll use same foundation of drg, and they'll be testing it more than payday 3 did

[tiny shale]

And just think about how DRG started too.

They have a major head start this time.

[latent raptor]

I'm very exited about the closed alpha

[tiny shale]

Closed Alpha only means a select few right? :(

[latent raptor]

yep

so we gotta apply asap to get the highest chances for it

[tiny shale]

Is the closed alpha in late 2024?

Or will that be open?

[hollow wolf]

closed alpha is q1 2024

[west magnet]

Yeah but its primarily testing bugs and feedback. So finding what breaks etc

[latent raptor]

Still, we'll get a look into the general feel of rogue core

[tiny shale]

It looks amazing.

I just hope it doesn't lose that charm the spacerig had.

Something about the Spacerig really did it for me y'know?

[shrewd spear]

was surprised to see them announcing a new game but more deep rock is always nice. Curious to see how this roguelite approach plays out

[latent raptor]

ooh they said in the steam that the aplha will still be polished as much a possible

[forest rain]

"it won't have any issues"

[latent raptor]

very exited abt that

[latent raptor]

yeah I am currently watching the devsteam haha

[forest rain]

ahha i meant payday 3, but yee it's cool

[tiny shale]

Sad thing is, Payday 3 is really amazing too. :/

[latent raptor]

Payday 3 is amazing gameplay wise but very bad in most areas outside of the gameplay aspect

imo*

[tiny shale]

I agree.

[west magnet]

rogue core giving me nostalgia vibes of starwars republic commando lol and the new hub world be probably in the new ship reclaimer.

[split axle]

one of the best games

the story was one of it's strength as well

loved it

[solemn grove]

whats the subreddit called

[split axle]

don't think it is public yet

[hollow bear]

r/RogueCore

It's alive

[jaunty sparrow]

Will the lok1 return to the game

[balmy sky]

We don't know yet, and with the game being fairly early in development still, not sure if GSG knows for sure

[latent raptor]

Cheers, I was searching for it

[fresh jetty]

there's a picture of it in a weapon slot, but that could very easily be a placeholder image

[magic hemlock]

I am curious if Rogue Core may tie into the main Deep Rock Galactic

Seasonal events maybe? There is a new mineral and whole setup is reclaiming mineheads

[hollow wolf]

they said season 5 would tie in

[hollow bear]

Hopefully. With season 5 being a prologue I'd imagine there will be at least some elements that are shared between both games.

[latent raptor]

Definetly

[jaunty sparrow]

The only weapon that matters lok1 my beloved

[hollow bear]

Lore and cosmetics are probably a safe bet, not sure if they'd bake any actual mechanics or Mission types in

[latent raptor]

If you look at the pinned messages they literally state that it was intended for the base game but it grew larger and became it's own thing so there 100% will be some shared elements between those 2

[hollow bear]

Most certainly. Just a question of how much. Hopefully gsg makes it interesting.

[latent raptor]

i hope they don't share too much so Rogue Core can feel as fresh as possible

[zenith mesa]

rock and stone miners

at least we have coop

and rock and stone

[acoustic jolt]

I have a question, if "rogue core" is the 5th season, what will happen to Deep rock (the current one)?

[latent raptor]

Rogue core is not the 5th season tho

[zenith mesa]

ya

that what i worry

how could they make both game different

[acoustic jolt]

xd

[hollow bear]

RC will be a separate game. Season 5 will lead into it story wise. Robert said yesterday they still intend to carry on with seasons (he mentioned 5 and 6)

[latent raptor]

Rogue Core is Rogue Core, 5th season is a tie in to rogue core

[zenith mesa]

the question is why they dont extend drg but create rc

too soon to answer that

[latent raptor]

read the pinned messages

[hollow bear]

Too ambitious for the base game

Their original intention was for it to be a mode, but felt it was better served as a standalone game instead

[acoustic jolt]

what channel # ?

[latent raptor]

This channel, there should be a pin symbol top right near the search bar

[acoustic jolt]

ohh

[inner dirge]

I have a very important question

Will there be a rock and stone button

[latent raptor]

lmao

[harsh lynx]

Devs confirmed yes

[acoustic jolt]

"||Fuck i'm tired||" button

[inner dirge]

that'd be funny too

Occasional chance for the dwarves to just complain

[hollow bear]

Wouldn't be DRG if there wasn't

[inner dirge]

"MY BAACK HUURTS!!"

"Augh my aching NECK!"

[acoustic jolt]

YESSSS

[latent raptor]

"bruh"

[inner dirge]

wait what if the big blue mule is being saved for RC

[tall plume]

you're all behaving right ?

[latent raptor]

serbounce

boing

[hollow bear]

No. Down with the system, etc

[acoustic jolt]

my mind ➡️

[tall plume]

Okay, I'm banning everyone then

[inner dirge]

We're joking about the dwarves having complaining voice lines

Pass this up the line

[acoustic jolt]

like this one

[acoustic jolt]

⬆️ (remember everything for the comedy)

[inner dirge]

aanywhoo

It would be cool if questions from DRG were answered in RC

Maybe more info on Karl

[west warren]

karl was just some dwarf they worked with, almost definitely dead. it wouldnt make sense if karl had some crazy significant role

[acoustic jolt]

plot: karl is the owner of the rivals

[west warren]

plot: karl is haunting a copy of jetty boot

[tribal ocean]

I feel Karl IS the core i don’t got a bigger theory on it yet but it’d be cool

[acoustic jolt]

like captain america stuck on ice

[tribal ocean]

Nah more like the expanse book where the girl becomes the station

[pure jewel]

Rogue and stone! To the core

[royal axle]

Nah fuck that, I want more questions

[plain sonnet]

hype

[slim grotto]

Sometimes I regret being able to see recently deleted messages

[inner mural]

I LOVE roguelikes

[slim grotto]

They are yes fun

[chilly berry]

I personally have mixed feelings about the new game.

[slim grotto]

I'm so hyped for Rogue Core, Risk of Rain 2 is one of my fav games

[slim grotto]

Why is that?

[tall plume]

It will most likely be closer to Gunfire Reborn than Risk of Rain tbh, from the little we know about

[hollow bear]

This game better have bungus

[chilly berry]

hmm. Well, while I haven't any experience with Rick of Rain 2, I hear it draws inspiration from Gunfire Reborn and ... well, that game is "okay"

[slim grotto]

I c

[chilly berry]

It just feels like it won't be one i get that much gameplay time out of

[slim grotto]

I believe I tried it once and then returned it

I mean Gunfire Reborn

[tall plume]

Well it won't be for everyone, for sure

[slim grotto]

But still DRG has way better base mechanics

Feels more satisfying to play

[azure patrol]

Same, the artstyle is very bland to me and the gameplay isnt worth fussing over

[slim grotto]

Than Gunfire Reborn did

[tall plume]

not everyone will like a game so it will sucks for people who don't get into it.
Thankfully DRG is going nowhere, even though development is obviously going to slow down.

[azure patrol]

I doubt gunfire reborn will be the gameplay loop at all

[slim grotto]

Yep there were barely any fun mechanics like movement

Game felt slow

[chilly berry]

They never are, lol. This one just doesn't feel quite DRG to me though, unlike Survivor

[azure patrol]

The perks you pick in rogue core seem more like smaller versions of the perks main game that are meant to be built up

[chilly berry]

not that I've played survivor yet, but it certainly has the feel from what I've seen of it

[slim grotto]

DRG itself is almost a rogurite, minus in-game upgrades

[azure patrol]

And personally if its drg styled missions and not a pure fps i am so down

[hollow bear]

Survivor is fun, albeit a tad on the difficult side. Shows a lot of promise though

[slim grotto]

You should give RoR2 a try, amazing stuff

[tall plume]

I say wait and see, we really don't have any info rn outside of basic stuff.
For what it's worth, it's going to feel close to DRG in its core gameplay so if you like DRG's gunplay, you'll like Rogue Core's gunplay too.

[chilly berry]

the gradual build up of temporary perks is part of the meh-ness for me though

[azure patrol]

I wanna do upkeep on a deep mining rig and fight off waves of enemies at the same time

[hollow bear]

RC looks just like DRG from the screenshots, so I'm betting it'll be very familiar to us

[slim grotto]

Survivor is the same tho

[azure patrol]

See the thing is, in main drg you get the 3 perks you like, slap them on every class, and MAYBE change the active perks

[slim grotto]

Yes it's basically a big DRG rework into a new gamemode you could say

[azure patrol]

This would mean you have to play different each time

[elder rapids]

it's neat that we're seeing another arm of the compnay with rogue core

[chilly berry]

Ye, I am jsut adding my initial thoughts to the mix here. I like Ghost Ship, and hope the game does well whether I enjoy it or not, or that theyy decide early on to go another direction if that is what they choose

not htat I expect the latter

[hollow bear]

Yarp. It was born as a new mode, but they changed their mind

It shows

[azure patrol]

It’d be very cool to see more indepth perks like a bunch tailored to the bug tamer perk

[elder rapids]

this happens incredibly often in game dev

[hollow bear]

Honestly curious what and who the characters will be, since there aren't dedicated classes like we have in DRG

[chilly berry]

Second reason for the mixed feelings: I agree with mayny that Season 4 is ... somewhat exhausting.

[slim grotto]

All will be the same

[hollow bear]

And if Robert will voice all four again this time

[slim grotto]

Reclaimer dwarves

[azure patrol]

Imagine being able to pick between taming a few glyphid grunts or like 1 specialist glyphid like a spreader

As perks

[chilly berry]

I like the season, but I'd be happy for a post season at the least

[azure patrol]

Be very fun

[slim grotto]

Difference will be suits that give you basically ultimate ability and then upgrades for them

[tall plume]

he never did voice the dwarves

[azure patrol]

I dont think the suits will be the main thing

[hollow bear]

Derp. I always get them mixed up

[elder rapids]

here's hoping the dwarves in rogue core can still ROCK AND STONE

[slim grotto]

It's already said they will, unless plans change

[azure patrol]

The thing that will make this game good, is if they Opt to make the perks unique, and not just a numbers game

[tall plume]

Javier O'Neill is the VA for the dwarves

[azure patrol]

Many Roguelikes go into numbers game territory instead of uniqueness and its sad

[chilly berry]

if you mean a button prompt for the salute, apparently that has been confirmed

[elder rapids]

i remember rogue legacy did it best with how modifiers effected gameplay in neat ways

[azure patrol]

I wanna see a bunch of crazy stuff happen not big number

[slim grotto]

Same

[elder rapids]

basically one time you could have giantism and break blocks because of your sheer G I R T H and another time you could be small and fit into cramped areas

[azure patrol]

So i hope they keep it unique like the baseline drg perks and not just 10% increase of “insert stat here”

[slim grotto]

I hope it goes into RoR2 regions

[elder rapids]

would be neat if rogue core had somewhat the same

[pearl tinsel]

Ror2 does that pretty well with its array of items

[slim grotto]

Where you can crash the game with damage numbers

[west warren]

ror2 proc chains are so funny

[chilly berry]

A legend in the gaming world, up there with the voice of GladOs

[azure patrol]

Even RoR2 has that problem imo, all of their basic common stuff is that numbers game which is the majority of what loot you get

[elder rapids]

i can't tell if some of the screenshots for rogue core have raytracing or not

[hollow bear]

Hopefully we get a Shrine of Order style gambling feature

[azure patrol]

You try and fight Mithrix with a few legendaries and he takes a bunch of commons from your friends and he will slap you with “big number”

[tall plume]

oh god 😂

[tall plume]

it doesn't

[hollow bear]

You know you love it

[pearl tinsel]

I think that's a little disengenuous. Many of the rarer items, and even some of the common ones, have fun effects

[tall plume]

ray tracing is likely never coming for DRG or Rogue Core

[slim grotto]

I think that's RoR2's strong side. Number upgrades let you do funny scaling borderline exploits while rarer items provide more unique bonuses

[frigid path]

We pray to the almighty Keg of Beer

[elder rapids]

then the lighting is incredible

[pearl tinsel]

Ray tracing doesn't look very realistic anyways. Usually looks like everything is slicked in water

[chilly berry]

I have always wanted to be able to Steeve exploders

[slim grotto]

The fact that they're all about stacking is what makes them so good

[pearl tinsel]

I don't really want that kind of balance in rogue core, ror2 is unbalanced af

[hollow bear]

Very much so

[tall plume]

it is but it's one of those game where it doesn't matter much

[hollow bear]

That's a lot of the fun though, especially in MP games

[slim grotto]

I wonder if there will be any sort of summoner build, be it taming enemies or having a drone of sorts

[pearl tinsel]

Keep it out of drg

[azure patrol]

“Many” is an overstatement, because I specifically mentioned commons, the only commons that dont just do a numbers increase off the top of my head are the power gem, gasoline, sticky bomb, firework, teddy bear, and pendant

[slim grotto]

RoR2 is very well balanced

[tall plume]

The RoR2 imbalance is by design

[slim grotto]

You can easily both win and lose runs

[azure patrol]

RoR2 is a very good game

[elder rapids]

i want rogue core to be as broken as isaac want the game to fucking S C R E A M for mercy

[azure patrol]

But it isnt as unique as drg’s perks

[slim grotto]

Snowballing on a god run is intended

[civic hemlock]

Just shoot him then

Or something

[pearl tinsel]

DRG has a total of 5 perks

[chilly berry]

One of each? Specialists in bug handling, bot handling, gun handling, beer handling ...

[civic hemlock]

He's just a guy

[slim grotto]

Legendaries definitely are. As to DRG perks there are clear meta picks 90% of the time, what makes DRG fun is Overclocks and weapon upgrades

[hollow bear]

Droneman in RC

[slim grotto]

And enemy variety

[elder rapids]

also wonder if rogue core will have a hub area like DRG

[tall plume]

it will

[slim grotto]

Would be fun

[civic hemlock]

The Ramrod should be that

[hollow bear]

Would be cool to walk around the Ramrod

[elder rapids]

@tall plume and beer?

[azure patrol]

See id rather not have a god run in rogue core imo

[hollow bear]

If they don't have beer, we riot. Simple.

[slim grotto]

Yep we'll have a spaceship in low orbit around Hoxxes, iirc it's not far from being mostly finished

[tall plume]

They said you go back to the Ramrod between missions, so I guess it will serve as a hub area. Dunno about beers but they want to keep it in that game too soooo, you know

[civic hemlock]

A roguelike with a hub area seems pretty interesting but I'm sure the incentivized way to play is to spend very little time on it

[hollow bear]

I'm gonna miss Lloyd

[slim grotto]

Steam description lists Use of Alcohol as one of Mature Themes in the game

[chilly berry]

Beer: unlockable in mission for temporary power-ups with risk of longer term, but still temporary debuffs?

[civic hemlock]

If the missions are 5 minutes

[azure patrol]

Hoxxes is supposed to get more dangerous as you go down, id love to see new enemy types and a more struggle fueled gameplay loop like trying to maintain upkeep on the mining rig

[elder rapids]

is there any point of playing if you can't get unbelievably shitfaced?

[azure patrol]

So god runs wouldnt fit imo

[west warren]

itd be fine, look at hades

[tall plume]

you'll just have Lloyd V.2

[velvet marsh]

Mekill talked about the idea of having a gym in the ship there the Reclaimers can pump iron. I'm partial to that.

[slim grotto]

It will be a roguelike, very likely having both buff-only and tradeoff upgrades/items

[elder rapids]

low orbit like the space rigs or an entirely different view of hoxxes?

[hollow bear]

It's just gonna be gunner benching the autocannon

[slim grotto]

There are some god runs and there are some bad runs in RoR2

[tall plume]

What I like is the fact that they reused the old Space Rig model

[elder rapids]

and this time a shooting range would make sense

[chilly berry]

I thought they did

[hollow bear]

Yeah that was a cool realization when I saw the trailer

[slim grotto]

Spaceship. Its exterior is in the teaser. Space Rig is a space station not a ship

[elder rapids]

me who only joined recently and don't recall what space rig looked like originally

[tall plume]

just get the old model, give it a frash look and boom, they tie things up with their alpha design

[velvet marsh]

It ain't a gun if it don't weigh at least 100lbs

[tall plume]

smart

[civic hemlock]

Eh, Hades levels are longer and the stage transition area only has a healing fountain, a keepsake changer, wells for charon and that's it

[elder rapids]

no but i mean in terms of where it is

[civic hemlock]

It's very much a come and go type place

The Ramrod? I'm not too sure

[tall plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK8OmHPZyFQ

[slim grotto]

Wdym where

[tall plume]

look at the opening

[slim grotto]

Yes it'll be a brand new hub area

If that's what you mean

[chilly berry]

If I recall, it only looked like a space ship at some point during development, before it was a playable game

[azure patrol]

Yes, but god runs just wouldnt fit with the danger you’re supposed to be in with Rogue Core, RoR2’s items are almost magical with how the upper tiers operate, and the only magic DRG has is the beer, and how Molly can carry everything you get, so it wouldnt fit, id rather find a fatboy overclocked launcher in a cache than some magic legendary item

[elder rapids]

low orbit, like as in same distance that the space rigs were on or is it closer?

[azure patrol]

Even then ammo would be a thing to consider too

[hollow bear]

Ramrod reminds me a lot of Great Fox

[elder rapids]

gonna be real, i kinda enjoy the old drop pod's look

[elder rapids]

childhood memory unlocked

[tall plume]

it was okay but very barren

[slim grotto]

The fact that the core went rogue is already an anomaly, wouldn't be surprised if the new mineral had some crazy properties and the upgrades made from it had sometimes funky properties

[elder rapids]

mainly prefer the door opening

[slim grotto]

Especially rare ones

[chilly berry]

I think he means "where in Hoxxes Space will the spaceship sit? A space similar to the Rig, looking out on a relatively close vioew of the planet? closer to the planet? Farther away?? Near the moons? Behind the sun?

[velvet marsh]

Idk, I think it'd be fun to have super out there crazy magic items like ror2, might make the game more fun, and you could easily say it's the core doing funky stuff with space time

[civic hemlock]

I'd fancy that, with the lootable perk system you could even make a whole fat boy centric build, fix up it's massive ammo issues and whatnot

[west warren]

wdym god run? like getting lucky with good items? its probably gonna take some knowledge and experience to optimize runs so i dont think ya have to worry about getting too overpowered before you're familiar with the game

[slim grotto]

It's said to be closer

[civic hemlock]

Oh indeed so, they'd definitely be more magical than most of RoR2's legendaries

[inland palm]

printers reduce the rng nature of it by quite a bit. Hopefully RC has something similar to help mitigate bad rng. I always appreciate when roguelikes add mechanics like that

[hollow bear]

I hope our drg cosmetics transfer over since the engine is the same

[azure patrol]

RoR2 has a tendency to snowball into being able to one shot nearly every enemy with hundreds of explosions and have your computer almost crash due to effect overload, that is a god run

It just wouldnt fit with drg in my opinion

[civic hemlock]

Lederhosen squad

[inland palm]

i think this game is a great opportunity to finally make a proper armor system like they originally planned. Especially when we aren’t getting classes

[azure patrol]

Drg is very well balanced in that you feel like you’re fighting against an entire planet on hazard 3, 4, and 5, and especially on deep dives

[west warren]

well that's just RoR2. drg has some pretty strong swarm clearing options, idk how crazy it'll get, but no way its gonna be RoR levels of screen wipe

[elder rapids]

maybe reclaimers have their own version of an abyss bar with different beers or maybe even beyond beer?

[azure patrol]

A god run wouldnt be very rewarding to me

[slim grotto]

Ye, but sadly now that I think about it I kinda feel like 1st person perspective will make them limit how crazy movement upgrades will be, which will then likely limit how crazy the enemies will be, which might limit how crazy the weapons and upgrades might be. Also if the movement gets crazy then destructible terrain becomes kinda useless

[chilly berry]

From teh Steam page: "The roguelite twist means you start from basics in each mission and cooperatively build up powers and abilities for the team, sometimes leading to insanely overpowered builds and other times to spectacular flops."

[hollow bear]

Seeing Robert say that he'd like deeper customization for DRG gives me a bit of hope for both games in the future. Let us go wild with combinations. Also some more serious armor would be welcome, considering the darker tone of RC

[velvet marsh]

That's fair, at the end of the day it depends on the devs vision, and I'm okay with whatever they decide

[chilly berry]

so it sounds like god runs and bad runs are intended

[slim grotto]

Hope so, but they better have the same Lloyd space rig has

[inland palm]

i feel like this game is def an opportunity to add some crazy upgrades that wud have just been op or out of place in normal drg

[hollow bear]

Dual flamethrowers

[west warren]

"god run" is relative to the other items in the game, a "god run" in rogue core would just mean a lucky run with a strong build compared to other rogue core runs

[civic hemlock]

Triple the Fat Boy payload into a 3 shot machine

[elder rapids]

nahhhh gotta separate from lloyd bruh, maybe another reference not like there aren't more bars in fiction

[azure patrol]

I personally hope its just flavorful text, you can do some insane stuff in base drg I want this game to be harder than base drg

[chilly berry]

Personally I'm not much for it, but think they'll take this game as opportunity to introduce the long anticipated .... female dwarves?!?

[azure patrol]

It would be cool to see

[hollow bear]

Possible

[azure patrol]

I better still get a beard tho

A dwarf woman staple

[hollow bear]

It would please a lot of the community considering how long that's been requested for the base game

[elder rapids]

they say on the steam page that you'll get permanent upgrades in between missions and the stuff you get in missions is to spice things up further

[slim grotto]

In RoR2? Yes. That's most of where the fun comes from. Your skill and experience in the game lets you learn how to pull off god runs more often picking right items when you can and how well you can salvage a worse run. It's a perfect balance of skill-based gameplay and the good kind of gambling

[chilly berry]

Yes, but I mean it sounds like they are intended in Rogue COre, based on teh Steam page quuote

[slim grotto]

O which

[chilly berry]

"The roguelite twist means you start from basics in each mission and cooperatively build up powers and abilities for the team, sometimes leading to insanely overpowered builds and other times to spectacular flops."

[azure patrol]

See Im hoping that it isnt a pure fos

[hot hare]

It'll literally just be the same model but with slightly higher-pitched voicelines

[azure patrol]

Fps

[elder rapids]

'tis the nature of roguelites

[chilly berry]

Female dwarves will have curlier eyebrows and curlier nosebrows

[slim grotto]

Yea that's sick then, RoR2 has extreme amounts of replayability once you get into it

[tall plume]

Keep the stupid jokes about female dwarves out before I have to ban someone.

[azure patrol]

I hope we have to do upkeep missions on these bases to actually progress like the basic drg missions

That seems fun to me

[slim grotto]

Why are stupid jokes about dwarves banned?

[elder rapids]

the cat's already out of the bag, can't put it back in

[azure patrol]

And no other roguelike has really done a mission based thing akin to drg’s missions that im aware of

[inland palm]

I don’t think it’s just ror2. Variable difficulty is just a prominent aspect in roguelikes in general. Which fiits since normal drg also has pretty variable difficult due to the different spawn pools and cave gen

[azure patrol]

It’d be a fun gameplay loop

[tall plume]

Stupid jokes about dwarves aren't banned.
But stupid sexist and discriminatory jokes are. And those tend to come around very fast.

[azure patrol]

Id also like to hear more from mission control, or another mission control entirely in this game

[carmine zenith]

Hammers are pretty effective at stopping things

[lilac crypt]

mithrix speechbubble

[chilly berry]

I really hope they take inspiration from places like Alien for their female badasses rather than from more "modern" expressions of female badassery

[azure patrol]

Imagine we get hammers instead of pickaxes

[tall plume]

GSG already said they don't wanna take this kind of shortcut.

[azure patrol]

Women dwarf good at forging

[hollow bear]

Two handed hammer

[azure patrol]

Give us Hamaxes instead of pickaxes

Want to smash bug

[chilly berry]

Speaking of Alien, perhaps a female dwarf is the exosuit expert

[hollow bear]

Maybe RC means we'll finally get that medic dwarf

[tall plume]

no

[inland palm]

Interesting. So there are temporary mission upgrades and run long upgrades? Have the devs confirmed that there will ways to upgrade or change the start to a run like in gunfire reborn?

[slim grotto]

They haven't gotten nearly there tho, and idk if it isn't in a way more sexist to threaten with bans whenever anyone brings anything related to women tbh

[simple remnant]

Looking forward to getting my hands on Rogue Core as soon as possible, to be sure, if I can just walk around the previous conversation

[elder rapids]

literally just read the steampage on that one

[chilly berry]

I could see it: a dwarf lugging teh whole keg of ... "medication" on their back throughout the run

[tall plume]

They kinda did say so, yes. Lot of info can be found on their livestream of the 5th

[carmine zenith]

Arguing isn't a smart move

[elder rapids]

maybe RC means we'll finally get the long anticipated melee-only dwarf

[slim grotto]

Literally all that happened so far was people discussing the fact that in most fantasy settings female dwarves are hard to tell apart from male dwarves in a conversation when eveyone was in a good mood

[inland palm]

ye i shud rewatch it, my mind was kind of all over the place once i realized this was a brand new game

[azure patrol]

Female dwarf would be cool, but we already have females in game
Yall bein Disloyal to Molly and Doretta

[slim grotto]

Never, always pet and save dotty

[elder rapids]

idk i think rogue core gives them a chance to try more wacky ideas that couldn't or didn't want to try with DRG normal

[tall plume]

I'd rather stop people before they do something stupid and regret it.

[elder rapids]

C4 hole ----> throw dotty down

[chilly berry]

What "gender" are NotBoscoe and NotLloyd (the medbay bots)?

[civic hemlock]

Yeah but they're just computers

[tall plume]

same

[azure patrol]

You should start runnin

[azure patrol]

They are the pettable one

[chilly berry]

Also BET-C, right?

[azure patrol]

Oh right the muscle girl bot

Hell yeah

[elder rapids]

like a medic dwarf or a melee only dwarf wouldn't fit with DRG's flow but with rogue core they can probably do something like that if only because roguelite model

[simple remnant]

I do expect the MULE to be around in some form, although probably not a 1:1.

The bit about the Phase Suits and activable abilities, is that gonna be something akin to the "class" features from base DRG(yes ik there's no proper class setups)?

Or more akin to the perks

[azure patrol]

I feel like the dwarves made medbay drones just because they werent patient enough to stitch up wounds and do surgery

[raw ridge]

Holy shit it makes so much sense

How come I haven't thought of it

[slim grotto]

Ye fair

[elder rapids]

yes but again this is different, these are reclaimers they are essentially meant for long missions

[azure patrol]

They just bring more boscos

[elder rapids]

and what if the boscos fuckin' die?

[slim grotto]

Seems like they dive deep hueh

[chilly berry]

But every time they deploy a new bosco, the old one explodes

[azure patrol]

Never, impervious

[inner dirge]

I wonder if Karl had a bosco

[slim grotto]

Shredder Swarm Syndrome 😔

[azure patrol]

Teleportation

[inner dirge]

What if it's Lloyd?

[elder rapids]

also just to be clear so i don't get any misunderstandings: i swear a lot not because of aggressiveness but because i played mature games really early and still have yet to drop the habit of cussing like a sailor

[slim grotto]

ALRIGHT THIS IS MY NEW HEADCANON

[chilly berry]

Now THAT is a loreworthy theory

[azure patrol]

Sailor dwarves

[slim grotto]

Thank u

[azure patrol]

Give us hoxxes ocean level

I want harpoon gun for engineer

[elder rapids]

i hope the phase suits get more customization options too

[inner dirge]

Perhaps Karl was the original bartender of the Abyss Bar and when he went MIA Lloyd took over

[azure patrol]

Let me reel those bastard acid spitters off the roof with a fishing rod and bash their heads in

[elder rapids]

i want a handheld M2 browning

[azure patrol]

Ocean level pls

[inner dirge]

That sounds like a scout weapon

[azure patrol]

Why do they need glyphid pool floats if there no water

Give water

[inner dirge]

That'd be badass but idk if it's feasible

[azure patrol]

Now

[inner dirge]

The game uses the same engine as drg

Afaik anyway

[slim grotto]

I love Karl's Bosco way more, it also implies Lloyd might be the most combat-experienced Bosco-like robot there is

[civic hemlock]

Nah I'm good

[azure patrol]

I mean, they have low gravity, if theyre able, apply the slow fall to water and the oxygen effect, and give double jump in water, and maybe a platform similar to jetty boots like the water jetpacks some fire fighting places use

[hollow bear]

Lloyd is a cold blooded killer, he's just working the bar to pay for his kids college

[azure patrol]

They can even do a trawler variant for a water specific enemy

[inner dirge]

It could be both

[slim grotto]

If he was a bartender why'd he go MIA

[chilly berry]

Since you didn't put an apostrophy (kids'), I now imagine Lloyd's plan for the future is to open an assassination school for minor miners.

[slim grotto]

Also he's a dwarf, you can't just let a dwarf handle all the alcohol supply

[azure patrol]

There has to BE water on hoxxes, how else would there be so much underground sand, big caves, and the Tyrant Weed, not to mention the entire glacier biome

Give us ocean

[chilly berry]

he's saving for his kids college, where he will train future cold blodded killers

[hollow bear]

Phone autocorrect is the bane of my existence 🥹

[slim grotto]

Would be hard to integrate with all pre-existing mechanics, enemies, etc

[civic hemlock]

Eh, swim mechanics tend to be weird

[slim grotto]

Yes

That too

[civic hemlock]

They'd have to make a whole set of aquatic enemies

[chilly berry]

no no, it made a cool image in my head. I wasn't nitpicking

[azure patrol]

Id love water enemies, water skiier glyphid grunts

Diving beetles

The trawler going full shark

[chilly berry]

like the plague worms? And the sand sharks?

[hollow bear]

Currently imagining an army of mini Lloyds with corkscrews chasing down a swarm of bugs

[azure patrol]

The septic spreader could turn water to ice instead of acid to provide bridges for bigger land based glyphids

Same with goo bombers

They already have an ice variant that doesnt do much

It’d be really cool to see that

[civic hemlock]

I wonder how would diving suits work

[azure patrol]

Imagine you have to go mine underwater jewels and send them up with float packs

And then someone on the floating rig has to use a harpoon gun to reel them in

[civic hemlock]

Would there be underwater air pockets or something?

[azure patrol]

Blue sugar would be cool

You have to take a second to load it into an air pack so it leaves you vulnerable like an objective

That or you have to swim to surface

Cave angles that instead of flying are more like manta rays would also be cool

And a stingray enemy that takes the rockpox enemy’s small projectile feature would be neat too

[toxic locust]

What is rouge core I have seen some memes about it and that's about it

[azure patrol]

Roguelike deep rock deep deep in Hoxxes

Completely new set of dwarves for it too

[toxic locust]

Sick

[chilly berry]

Hopefully not. Let's hope they are fully healthy and not Rockpox infected at all

[elder rapids]

honestly i can see the worry with rogue core, with the relatively small dev team potentially biting off more than they could chew

[hollow bear]

Perfectly reasonable to be cautious. It was weird seeing so much doom and gloom yesterday.

[elder rapids]

it was fueled by the reddit from what i can tell in fact they are STILL banging on about it

[hollow bear]

Just reddit things

[little wind]

i wanted to cry from the news that s5 coming in a year and the focus is switched for a roguelike

just not my cup of tea

but idk maybe it'll be good like hades

[tall plume]

Sorry but no

This isn't "fuelled by reddit"

this is fuelled by people on all platforms.

[vestal summit]

Oh my god this looks fire

[elder rapids]

okie dokie, was wrong then 👍

[fleet osprey]

pretty sure that all the water got frozen and moved to the glacier when whatever knocked the GIANT CHUNK off hoxxes and froze

[tall plume]

People started losing their shit in the discord minutes after the announcement, with no reddit threads made at the time

[fleet osprey]

there was definetly oceans on hoxxes

see salt pits description

[halcyon creek]

seconds would probably be more plausible

they were FAST

[tall plume]

yeah

[hollow bear]

Slow mode came in clutch yesterday

[halcyon creek]

fr

[tall plume]

yeah

chat was moving so fast

we had to if we wanted to able to keep an eye on it

[halcyon creek]

even then, that was a lot of people

[unreal furnace]

Now when the chat has finally slowed down we gotta watch which channels we talk about forbidden games again

[halcyon creek]

thankfully people have cooled down a bit now, and we got a few questions answered about rc and drg’s future so W

[fleet osprey]

honestly i hope that rouge core is gonna have some connection to drg progression, like if you link them in some way you can trade expendite for like, matrix cores or smthn

[fierce solstice]

This place about to be drg chat numero dos

[halcyon creek]

i think it would be better to keep them seperate

[rocky dove]

#general-2

[tall plume]

It's rogue

[fleet osprey]

i mean sure, but atleast can we see the ramrod from the spacerig? i wanna see it without spending money

[fierce solstice]

Rather than linking progression it would be nicer to have some first-time bonus items if the game detects a DRG save

[unreal furnace]

Do we know which people will be able to play the closed alpha? Is it the community testers?

[hollow bear]

Thought I'd left the rouge/rogue days when I quit WOW. thanks gsg

[tall plume]

that would be cool indeed

[halcyon creek]

that would be cool, maybe we could get that in season 5

[finite sinew]

What I worry about rn is that RG is not gonna be different enough from normal deep rock, to justify it being a separate game

[fierce solstice]

and inversely you'd get a paintjob or armor if you own Rouge

[fleet osprey]

yeah

season five is a prelude to rouge core after all

[halcyon creek]

checked pinned messages, there’s a road map and i believe that already says just how different the games will be

[fierce solstice]

Is rouge core a prequel or sequel to DRG

[halcyon creek]

neither

[tall plume]

We don't have info on that yet

[fierce solstice]

epic

[tall plume]

[fierce solstice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/647888145937072153.gif?size=48&name=swat&quality=lossless

[halcyon creek]

embed fail

[unreal furnace]

Well anyways you'll get to play it in closed alpha 😛 ❤️

[fierce solstice]

Oh it appears fine on my screen

[unreal furnace]

Lucky af

[fierce solstice]

Vencord moment

[tall plume]

Yeah indeed

though it's not always luck

[fleet osprey]

we know for a fact that hoxxes wildlife gets weirder the closer to the core you are, we almost definetily wont see any returning enemies

[halcyon creek]

excited to get my hands on rogue core whenever that opportunity rolls around

[fierce solstice]

I can't wait to see this place be chaotic whenever endgame builds will start appearing

[finite sinew]

well, that doesn't say much

[unreal furnace]

Only hard work and dedication from the head mod ❤️

[finite sinew]

hopefully we'll get more "magical" and weird, like the heartstone

maybe rock golems?

[fleet osprey]

yeah,

also for those who didnt know that season five was a prelude to rouge core, look at the roadmap

[halcyon creek]

nah i think 5 stage dives with a boss at the end and progression the deeper you go is definitely a nice chunk of info

the closest we have to that is deep dives

[tall plume]

What I mean is : I get to see stuff early and that's cool.

But it's also lot of work for bug report, feedback and discussion balance. The risk of burning out before the game even comes out is very real (burned out like that on S4, took me 3-4 months to start playing it). Stuff might be utterly broken and not optimised too, making for a painful experience instead.

[fierce solstice]

bug hunting in S4

What a time to be alive

[unreal furnace]

Yeah I get that, hopefully you're feeling better now ❤️

[finite sinew]

Gameplay-wise, it's pretty clear that it's gonna be different. It's like comparing tf2 to it's side mode Mann VS Machines
I meant more in general how different it's gonna be. As in, how fast paced will it be (movement, character strenght, enemy strenght), what's the tone gonna be like (will it be as silly as DRG, or will it go into darker moods like GTFO)

[fleet osprey]

people like: drg is a buggy game
and im like: yeah there are barely any other enemies except robots and a rock

[fierce solstice]

there's mission control

[halcyon creek]

i think i rememebr seeing it will be darker

[fierce solstice]

Unless he belongs to the buggy side

[finite sinew]

because if it was only another mode they might as well just make it an expansion. But since they've said it's gonna be much bigger than that, I am hopefull it's gonna be much different

[halcyon creek]

if i can find that message i’ll dm u

[tall plume]

I am
I always get back to playing eventually. I just have some period of downtime. Doesn't help that I now have a somewhat shitty connection and don't want to bother random people with a shit ping.

[fleet osprey]

i hope that theres a new mission control,

[halcyon creek]

nuh uh

[fleet osprey]

like for the ramrod specificly

[fierce solstice]

Hope it's the female mission control

[finite sinew]

and if the tone/movement is gonna be different, what will be the lore reason as to why the miner dwarves are different from the recon team

because they're still dwarves

[unreal furnace]

Well if you're ever in need of a teammate that can take a shitty connection, hit me up 😛

[halcyon creek]

no i would love mission control reprising his role, imagine all the funny references he could make to the drg squad

[halcyon creek]

probably the phase armor or whatever

[fleet osprey]

dwarves are chosen for the work that only they can do, dwarves are sent to the hoxxes caves cause only they can.

[halcyon creek]

i forgot what it’s called

[fierce solstice]

Hence why i'm fairly sure this is a prequel from when DRG first started investigating hoxxes

Which means a lot more seriousness

[tall plume]

Will do, hopefully you're in Europe

[lusty arch]

Is not a prequel

[fierce solstice]

Pounce you should invite me someday

[lusty arch]

Both games happen at the same time

[fierce solstice]

along with other funnee frenchies

[elder rapids]

and also vice versa hopefully

[fierce solstice]

[tall plume]

sure

[halcyon creek]

well if season 5 is a prologue, it cannot be a prequel

[lusty arch]

Literally Season 5 is going to be a prelude

[fierce solstice]

I forgor 💀

[unreal furnace]

Yup! Sweden so should work https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/799680645919932436.webp?size=64&name=drillerC4&quality=lossless

[finite sinew]

then why couldn't miner dwarves do the job of the recon dwarves?

[halcyon creek]

yea dw ab it

[elder rapids]

you know what, fuck it, i'll throw my hat in the ring too, even if i'm canadian

[fleet osprey]

the recon dwarves are trained for recon

[tall plume]

Hahaha

Sure

[halcyon creek]

i believe it has something to do with being promoted, that’s just speculation

[finite sinew]

both kill bugs

where's the issue

[lusty arch]

Maybe because they are more serious and trained than miner dwarves
As GSG said, they are the team that interferes when things go rough

[fierce solstice]

It could something much darker

[halcyon creek]

“oh wow congrats miner you have done so much for the company do you want to go down to the fiery depths now”

[lusty arch]

GTFO style

[finite sinew]

if our dwarves are the untrained ones, then I fear who the trained ones are

[lusty arch]

Exactly

[lilac crypt]

and then they deploy commando risk of rain and he risky rains all over the glyphids

[fierce solstice]

As long as GSG doesn't follow GTFO's dev team's way to work i'm fine

[wary sable]

the basic mining dwarves are funding the elite dwarves to go down so they gota continue mining

[elder rapids]

it's implied that the reclaimers are the ones you send in when things go sideways, seemingly akin to the wreckers from transformers, they don't need backup they need cleanup, i'm probably the only one who understood that

[halcyon creek]

im excited to see the weapons in rc

[finite sinew]

what happened with it? Im about to get the game

[fierce solstice]

DRG Survivors' OCs & weapons should be in base game

[fleet osprey]

i really need one of the main steps in making a drg game is getting the game in a state where the movment works and then you just ad ROCK AND STOnE

[elder rapids]

i kinda hope we get to see the reclaimers' version of the scale brigade or something more perhaps

[finite sinew]

On one hand, it should be different from enough to (as Ive said) justify it being a different game, but on the other hand, it shouldnt be too different because it's the same planet afterall

[elder rapids]

the difference is the reclaimers go deeper than miners (heheh)

[halcyon creek]

i think things like movement should stay the same but the tone of the story and it’s missions need to change drastically

[inner dirge]

Probably a part time thing, then since Karl was gone Lloyd decided to open full time

[finite sinew]

There is no such a thing as digging to deep (famous last words)

[elder rapids]

ah! a denizen of moria!

[fleet osprey]

if they add a female dwarf, well i dont know i was gonna make a joke but i didnt think of one

[finite sinew]

yessir

[halcyon creek]

imagine if we get female dwarves in rogue core

[elder rapids]

tho if the reclaimers are the elite they probably don't entertain goofing off like the miners do so potentially no getting shitfaced 😭

[fleet osprey]

yeh

[fleet osprey]

we need a loyd for the ramrod

[halcyon creek]

all dwarves have time to drink

[deft heath]

female dwarves have beards too

[inner dirge]

Is it confirmed the reclaimers are basically spec ops or is it just conjecture?

[finite sinew]

also It's insulting to us miners, to imply that they are better because "they are better trained". Screw that, I can still 360 no-scope c4 a group of praetorians, Im good enough to dig even deeper

[tall plume]

it's in the basic pitch of the game from the devs

it's as cannon as you'll ever get

[elder rapids]

basically confirmed that they're the team sent in when an operation goes sideways

[inner dirge]

Honestly if the normal combat miners are incredibly skilled then woe for the bugs when they encounter a very skilled reclaimer

[inner dirge]

Mk. Thanks char and ser

[elder rapids]

i mean, pinging gold, drinking, gaming, dancing, rock and stoning, etc.

[finite sinew]

I wonder if there is an in-lore progression tree, like when a miner is such a greybeard, they just send him to even deeper parts of hoxxes

[tall plume]

Maybe reclaimers are just very skilled miners that got promoted, who knows ?

[tall plume]

no idea tbh but that would be fun

[halcyon creek]

the game being darker doesn’t mean that the dwarves can’t have fun, gsg surely won’t lean into the game being too dark and gritty

[halcyon creek]

that’s what i think is the case

[inner dirge]

Or they're like arc troopers, if a combat miner proves themselves they get transferred and get reclaimer training. Man this stuff is badass

[finite sinew]

oh and also, isnt the magma core near the core of the hoxxes? how can you go deeper than that without dropping into the core of molten lava?

[wispy remnant]

It could be the case or really an entire new set of workers only specific for the job

[elder rapids]

from what i understand most spec ops crews really don't entertain 'fun' the way others would, they're there to get a job done and do it well

[tall plume]

makes me think of the Scale Brigade lore

I imagine it's the same kind of stuff

[median sleet]

I am level 900, please let me join reclaimers

[inner dirge]

I really hope you have a same or better cosmetic system in RC

[finite sinew]

and then being sent to mining missions for them is like summer vacations

[wispy remnant]

A Scale brigade style phase suit would be cool

[inner dirge]

Honestly I find this stuff cool enough that I legitimately feel bad for being on the fence about RC

[sonic gyro]

I hope they add this Biome of DRG Rogue Core to DRG Classic

[elder rapids]

i mean sure but how the hell do you justify the elite of the elite going out of their to piss off their own mission control or delay a seemingly very URGENT mission?

[inner dirge]

If there's devs or mods lurking I apologize

[halcyon creek]

bc they are dwarves

[finite sinew]

it's supposed to be deeper than normal hoxxes, so I bet no

[sonic gyro]

maybe the dwarves in DRG Rogue Core must rescue the DRG classic dwarves

[inner dirge]

I can only imagine the carnage you can get up to in RC

[hollow bear]

No shame in being on the fence about it. We don't know much at all yet, and it's a long way out

[median sleet]

It's ok to be cautious

[elder rapids]

i think it's more along the lines of grey knights to normal space marines

[halcyon creek]

literally it’s hard to justify it any other way, i do not think gsg will make this game way too dark to the point where the dwarves act like they have seen war

[inner dirge]

I imagine there'll be humor just a different kind of humor

[finite sinew]

maybe veterans with a good sense of humor?

[finite sinew]

exactly

[elder rapids]

i mean wouldn't be too weird as the reclaimers are by definition veterans of war

[inner dirge]

It'd make sense, you often see grizzled vets joke as a way to cope

[wary haven]

It will be darker because no scout to flare gun

[halcyon creek]

even that would work, but they aren’t gonna be depressed 😭

[hollow bear]

I think more grizzly and serious dwarves would be a nice change of pace

[wispy remnant]

Yeah honestly

[hollow bear]

Separate them narratively from the goofballs we currently play as

[median sleet]

I want them to be the Karls from our imagination but real

[wispy remnant]

The ones we play as do not seem to take their job mostly serious and being disrespectful to the corporation

[fierce solstice]

First of all, as a proof of what i'm about to say the game has less than 1500 daily players, most of them running modded content

There are several issues with the devs that started very early :

1. The game currently available has NOTHING to do with what was shown in the pre-alpha & E3 trailers. And by nothing i mean it's a lot worse
2. The devs started as a team of ~12/13 handling everything until rundown 5 (approximately a year and a half after the start of early access) and exploded to now have a team of 60/70. Until now the devs never tried to reach to their community to figure out what was wrong with their game, and instead made fun of several complaints regarding minor but annoying bugs. They made a channel dedicated to suggestions, with easily over 100K suggestions, but it was deleted so instead you have to send suggestions by mail. No need to mention less than 5 suggestions have been added into the game, and all of them are minor ones.
3. The game is filled with bugs. Some bugs from the beta still exist 3 years later in the current rundown, namely rundown 7. What's funny is modders managed to fix a lot of the major bugs the game has, but the devs are too delusional and don't want to implement these fixes into the game. They say it's very complicated to implement because "it's difficult to reproduce these bugs", which is not really surprising since the devs didn't play their game at all (and this is true, you can ask anyone in the server)
4. The game has been extremely nerfed. It used to be much harder, but since people were too stupid to clear them, they lowered down the difficulty of everything : much less enemies, more resources, simpler zones, etc... And the funny thing is people still can't clear levels, which makes devs think they should nerf the game even more. Also the devs never managed to clear a single rundown

I can probably keep going, but the game clearly isn't worth 40 bucks

I got it at 10 so i'm fine

[hollow bear]

That's a post

[fierce solstice]

text

It truly is a shame tbh

GTFO has an insane potential, but all of it was wasted due to the devs' laziness

[wispy remnant]

I think that RC is gonna be more friendly difficulty in comparasion for GTFO

[fierce solstice]

and i really hope GSG won't do the same mistake

[carmine zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/who-you-talking-to-gif-20906816

[fierce solstice]

Actually there's a good video summarizing the state of GTFO

[elder rapids]

i ain't reading all that

[inner dirge]

I hope RC has a skill ceiling as high or higher than DRG

[wispy remnant]

I do not much know about GTFO with the state but I quite like the concept of the game in general

[civic hemlock]

Eh, is that truly confirmed yet? It makes sense but from what I'm seeing you can get to stupidly low depths and the glyphids are still native to that area

[inner dirge]

I revel in the thought of sheer carnage you could inflict in the glyphid bastards

[civic hemlock]

Maybe Hoxxes is way bigger than we've anticipated

[inner dirge]

(do ya see why I'm a driller lmao))

[fleet osprey]

stingtails and septics are supposed to be from deeper in hoxxes iirc

[fierce solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eMNkLxFqfI if you have 1h to spare, feel free to watch this as it summarizes the situation

[wispy remnant]

The newest enemies we got came from the deeper hoxxes

[burnt flume]

What if Hoxxes had moons

[fleet osprey]

it does

[elder rapids]

so you're telling me we should nuke the core of hoxxes?

[fleet osprey]

uhhhh no

[fierce solstice]

we should nuke everything

[hazy moss]

Nickname checks out

[wispy remnant]

We already have been doing it for 7 years

[elder rapids]

but it gave us stingtails and septics why shouldn't we?

[tall plume]

yes

nuke everything

[hollow bear]

"you can't just shoot a hole into the surface of Hoxxes!"

[tall plume]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

Exterminatus on Hoxxes, when

[fleet osprey]

so we a can still, mine hoxxes.

[wispy remnant]

But we can crack a part of the planet with a pickaxe, thats what Karl did

[elder rapids]

actually that does bring up a point, doom guy is essentially and elite of the elite and still finds time to goof off, even edit vids and whatnot

[hollow bear]

Doom guy even plays Doom

[civic hemlock]

Seriously? Heh, I guess their migration went very far then

Tbh Stingtails and Septic Spreaders aren't reaching the weird scale just yet though

Spreading toxic sludge and a grabber tail is useful in any environment

[elder rapids]

exactly so perhaps the reclaimers will goof off in different ways (STILL GETTING DRUNK THO I REFUSE TO GET OFF THIS HILL GDI, IT IS VERY COMFY)

[civic hemlock]

And especially against flying enemies

[chilly berry]

if they are like all the other rock golems ever, then meh.

[civic hemlock]

But that does raise a massive question, how do stingtails know where to grab, and how do septics know where to shoot?

Do they use echolocation?

[wispy remnant]

Rammer is also an interesting new enemy that is exclusive to the Board game but it is not known if it came deeper from hoxxes

[elder rapids]

probably

[elder rapids]

that enemy might fit in rogue core

[civic hemlock]

What does it look like?

[wispy remnant]

Potentially, as a way to seperate your teammates

[hollow bear]

Would be cool to see it act like the Charger from L4D. Especially if shellbacks aren't a thing in RC

[wispy remnant]

I might send you a dm with an image of it

[civic hemlock]

Also if they came from the depths of Hoxxes why did they go so far up? Is the core also hostile to the glyphids?

[elder rapids]

also i imagine just like spec ops IRL the reclaimers will get some more experimental gears that the miners don't get

[wet drift]

i imagine R&D are gonna have a field with this

[civic hemlock]

Idk man, DRG seems perfectly willing to use the Space Rig 17 dwarves as lab rats

They give them anything they want and Engi sometimes makes his own shit

[wispy remnant]

It could maybe change their behaviours?

[chilly berry]

Some kind of scouts or something? Yeah, teh main DRG gang has nothing like that

[elder rapids]

i mean true, but also they probably got a whole host of ideas management won't give to miners because.... well i mean look how they act

[wispy remnant]

Reclaimers are really supposed to be workers who has gotten far more experience than from the mining teams

[chilly berry]

HTat's exactly how the main DRG dwarves have been described for years. That's why tehy are on Hoxxes to begin with: it's super tough and they ar teh elite of the elite who can dig it

[wet drift]

maybe these dwarfs know how to not leak classified information on discord servers like dwarf shaker central?

[elder rapids]

gdi 🤣

[tall plume]

management isn't aware of that and strongly disagree with it

Mission Control doesn't care so he doesn't report on it. He prefers to have the dwarves come back alive, even if it means closing his eyes to them tinkering with official equipment.

[finite sinew]

I hope the new dwarf team will say 'fuck' more often

[civic hemlock]

Heh, maybe it's like a nihalinth situation, you think they are the big bad but in reality they're just a pawn in the game of something far greater

[wispy remnant]

Though it is actually interesting to see that in lore we know there are different types of teams in the corporation and Reclaimers seems to be the first we publicly know

[elder rapids]

easy, the miners are a bludgeon, the reclaimers are a scalpel

[wet drift]

ooohh that makes sense

[elder rapids]

based mission control? tf kinda timeline is this?

[civic hemlock]

So what you're saying is that Mission Control is corrupt?

[wet drift]

he does it all to keep his cozy job ofc

[hollow bear]

MC is hella based, he just has management breathing down his neck

[tall plume]

it's the "I've listened to mission control voicelines for rockpox assignments where he clearly shows that he cares"

[civic hemlock]

Mission Control is always based

[wispy remnant]

Poor guy is just working nonstop

[civic hemlock]

He's cool

[elder rapids]

also what was the shard diffractor originally?

[wet drift]

but can he tell a monkey wrench from a glyphids arse?

[tall plume]

like, lore-wise ?

[civic hemlock]

A heartstone

[elder rapids]

my headass who just clickspammed through them:

[hollow bear]

Babysitting four drunken dwarves is probably pretty stressful

[wispy remnant]

It is from the Ommoran heartstone

[elder rapids]

yeah, it's clearly not a weapon at least not meant to be.

[tall plume]

Shard of an ommoran heartstone, or so it looks like.

[civic hemlock]

You mean the breach cutter?

[elder rapids]

no i mean the shard diff

[civic hemlock]

That was meant to be a mining tool, turned out to be better as a weapon

[elder rapids]

it looks more to me like a mining implement

[wet drift]

I imagine it would have been a sort of mining laser turned weapon

[wispy remnant]

Breach cutter was originally a tool (Just like Dead Space )

[civic hemlock]

That's just a Heartstone laser

[tall plume]

nah it's a weapon, alright

breach cutter is the repurposed mining tool

[wispy remnant]

Yeah pretty much, it was a mining tool

[elder rapids]

seriously? i always thought it was originally a mining tool for when you needed to carve out a chunk of rock or smth

[civic hemlock]

Why would that ever be considered a tool in Dead Space anyways, sounds like the entire purpose was to dismember things