Hi gang! I was under the impression that glue strength can be keyed, is this not correct? And if so, what am I doing wrong?
#Keying Glue?
marble saffron
modern moth
the compatibility number in the inspector can be keyed, not the weight
marble saffron
Gah... shame. Sorry, would you mind explaining what the compatibility number is?
modern moth
if it's at 100% the glue is working, if it's at 0% the glue is turned off
marble saffron
Oooh!! Ok ok wait then my thinking should still work for what I had in mind.... THANK YOU! ❤️ If this doesn't work I'll need to make another post because I'm at the end of my ideas 😄
modern moth
i think you can do something like have the glue at 100 when turned to the side, and then move to 0 at the center
marble saffron
Right right yeah!
I am trying to work out a system for the wide angle mouth masks because... uh... well, all my mouth forms etc are blendshapes, so I am struggling on the angles, basically.
timber merlin
is there a reason why you turning glue off for the wide angleX?
marble saffron
On, was my thinking. So I can influence the lip shape with the mask.
It kinda works, but I think it actually doesn't solve my mouth shapes problem.....
timber merlin
but wodnt turning the glue off, would make the mask move separately so you would have to rig it independanly of the real lips?
marble saffron
timber merlin
what is exactly the mouth shape problem you facing right now?
[[maybe i can help as i do 90°+vbridger]]
marble saffron
Ok so.... the issue is this:
ALL of my mouth shapes are blendshapes in combination with blendshape weights. Now, that works really great for anywhere but the angles of the face because I am tilting the head a bit, so I need the lip masks to shape differently on the Y top vs Y bottom angles.
Does that make sense?
So the blendshapes just on the lipmasks don't work because I need them different on the angles.
timber merlin
how are you doing Y?
[[btw they been blendshapes shoudnt be an issue, but it sounds more into a hierarchy issue]]
what is angle blind?
marble saffron
Potentially! I have tried a number of things now.
Oh I have an Angle blendshape that I uset o make some minor adjustments to individual art meshes. Like Lashes for example.
marble saffron
Nah shouldn't have an infleunce on this problem
timber merlin
yep i know, it would have no impact
marble saffron
are you doing nesting angle?
What do you mean by that?
timber merlin
question, is your goal to go 90° or to stay at 80?
marble saffron
Stay at 80 is fine
timber merlin
What do you mean by that?
nesting means you made a big deformer for angle X-Y, then inside anothers also in angle X-Y
so you have a 1 main parent of multiple childs on same
marble saffron
This has not been a problem before when using regular Vbridger. But the setup I have right now has JawOpen on a blendshape too.
The JawOpen Blendshape is mostly the issue on angles.
timber merlin
i would say, by experience, is easier to do 90 than 80
because 90 on Y are the easiest courner of life
marble saffron
Yeah fair. But I am doing 80 for this model.
timber merlin
The JawOpen Blendshape is mostly the issue on angles.
can you show me how you are doing that parmaeter?
marble saffron
One moment yeah
timber merlin
Yeah fair. But I am doing 80 for this model.
i mentioned it because you could do the 90, finish it, then just create a keyform that give you 80, and push the 90 out of the parameter
[[you caan have keyforms out of slider]]
timber merlin
yes, dont worry about been blendshape
it doesnt make much diference
what piece are you using to do the side lips?
marble saffron
You can see them right under the Mouth derformer
2 for upper lip, 2 for lower lip
timber merlin
can you select it so i can see how it looks lol
in the list doesnt tell me much
marble saffron
Got it one moment 😄
timber merlin
because on the sideview you showed, i dont see anything there
marble saffron
timber merlin
can you move angle X to minimum?
marble saffron
Right now they share the same mesh as upper/lower lip
timber merlin
i want to see what are they doing here
marble saffron
So right now it looks like this because I've been experimenting with the glue setup. Glueing it to the lips.
I had a previous setup where I had them jsut separate.
timber merlin
what i believe you need right now
is to be able to separate those lip-pieces so they are visible on the side view
and rig them in all the mouth vbridger
so they follow the movement of your vbridger used in your lips
[[if it wasnt because im into NDA i would show you exactly how because i did that in current projects]]
marble saffron
I had it set up like this but the problem is the Y angles. So like.... wait, let me try and illustrate....
Ok so... basically.... the Y angle for JawOpen and how I need the mask to shape is so different on the Y angles, that I am struggling to make it work with it being a blendshape.
I tried having it in the hierarchy under the same mouth deformer, but it doesn't quite work because the mouth form blendshapes are rigged to the individual art meshes if that makes sense?
It's a bit hard to explain
timber merlin
you need to first
rig them on angles
Then do the blendshapes on them so they respective side
marble saffron
Rig what on angles
marble saffron
The lips aren't visible because the masks currently don't work/don't have JawOpen rigged on them atm
timber merlin
this should be a piece that is rig to angles, First, [your lips textures would be mask to them, so they are visible where that shape is]
Then after you rig the angles, you add the mouth parameters
[[ignore the mspaint quality]]
is important to do it in that order because you are working blendshapes
marble saffron
No like... I know how it works. I had this version already. It doesn't work on the upper and lower Y angles because it doesn't work as a blendshape on JawOpen. It doesn't make the required shape on those angles.
timber merlin
why is not rig on jaw open?
marble saffron
Because I've been trying glue
timber merlin
but you dont need glue on that specific pieces
timber merlin
this pieces dont need glue
marble saffron
I've been trying different options, that's why I used a glue system
timber merlin
the reason why you dont use glue on them is because they dont actually move with the lips
they are to ADD volumen to the lip, texture but they move diferently
marble saffron
I know...
I know how it works. It's not a problem of me not understanding how lip masks on angles work. I'm saying I have not found a functioning solution for the Y angles.
timber merlin
but i am telling you the solution
marble saffron
What's the solution then
timber merlin
you have to rig them separately of the lips, on angles
not with the lips
separated in 2 deformers
1 for top
1 for bottom
marble saffron
I am doing that. BUT it doesn't work with the JawOpen being a blendshape.
timber merlin
but thats not your hierarchy
you said you doing that, but that is not what your hierarchy shows
marble saffron
I have done it in a previous version. The one I CURRENTLY have was the glue version Iw as trying that I made this thread for.
timber merlin
ok, but ignore the currently because that does not work
you need to do a nest sistem for this
where the nest works as
transportation and deformation
you have a deformer called Transportation XY Parent of Deformation XY
why?
marble saffron
I guess I know what you mean. I'll figure it out. Thank you!