animation not looping

[mint surge]

i'm struggling trying to get my animation to loop but for some reason it's not having any of it and keeps doing this bounce effect at the end or straight up skipping when it's supposed to repeat (ive done this before but ive never encountered this issue im not sure what's causing this)

(ignore the awful discord compression the animation looks fine when opened)

[vapid sequoia]

This might help you as there was a section in here about looping breathing animation (English captions are there):
https://youtu.be/NkmuoakCGds?si=115WQxA52DaXWYLg

[mint surge]

unfortunately im a bit lost ^^" might also be because of the very delayed subtitles my loop isnt made on the parameters but directly on the animation editor, im not sure if that's the cause of it?? the beginning and end of my parameters end on the same keyframe so my doubts stem from there

[vapid sequoia]

Maybe cut off the animation one key frame early?

Or it's the curves that need adjusting

[mint surge]

i tried it unfortunately skips a frame :[ and makes it look uneven i could send the file, but ill try looking at the curves

[vapid sequoia]

If cutting a frame early is weird, then it's the beginning curve and the end curve

[weak vector]

It looks like an extra frame is in there, so like 2 sets of the starting frame (one at end and one at beginning). And then the curves need to be adjusted/make 2 loops and copy the start of the second loop to the start of the first.

[mint surge]

the curves + second loop helped it a bit but it still has that awkward bounce and the arms refuse to work properly

cutting the animation a frame early helps it a bit but it's slightly noticable but i think it might be a problem with the entire animation so i think ill leave it at that tysm ^^

[vapid sequoia]

If I remember correctly, Live2D tends to slow taper the start and slow taper the end at the key frames, so you have to adjust a bit

So doing a double loop and then cutting the animation to the middle section of the loop usually alleviates the issue

[mint surge]

ive noticed! thats why tweaking took me a lot !

but tysm ^^

it did help a bunch

[cyan wind]

did you fixed it?

You are using physics for teh arms right?

[mint surge]

i manually animated them using skinning and deformers because physics didn't give me the result i was looking for

[cyan wind]

ahhh that sound like physics pendulum. ngl arms are too short for skinning anyway

[mint surge]

id say its more or less fixed, it still has a bit of that awkward bounce but its less noticable

[cyan wind]

if you can take a video of how this look on the animation windows
it looks like your issue could be more less graphic curve + not enought cut for the perfect loop

[mint surge]

oop

[cyan wind]

oh you can only upload mp4 here

[mint surge]

yeah i figured woops let me fix that

[cyan wind]

ok... yeah you have a lot of issues with none of the graphics starts and ends the same at all

there are at least one or two that dont loop on the correct point neither

let me take a picture

[mint surge]

apologies im still a beginner, i managed to pull this off once and thought it was enough lol

[cyan wind]

dont worry about it, most of rigger with experience dont really touch animation enought to get this details

I will try to explain things in parts so is less confusing in general

[mint surge]

thank you sm 🧡 ^^

[cyan wind]

by default, Live2D animations creates Curves as you can see in the first video
This cuves are Soft curvers. This means, that Each point on them is gonna affect how the curve is created around the next point
for example ins this draw imade, when we add a "previous" point, now the curve on the "0" is diferent than without the previous point

this is what creates the "slow in / slow out" in the animations

in this part of your video, You can see, even when the "value" of the start and end are correct
the way the curve is, Is not the same
And this is what creates that little weird "movement" when the loop ends

another example of this,
at the start there is a curve but on the end there is no curve at all
so the energy of the movement will not math

What i recomend to do in this cases is to select all the keyforms on the last second of the animation, copy them, and move the copy at the start of the animation [start as the area we dont see on the left]
same, copy the first second and move it after the end of the animation

This is to make sure that the curve of the movements are exactly the same at start and at end

[mint surge]

ill try !!

[mint surge]

id say that dixed the issue phew the animation aint flawless but that's on me, tysm for the help ^^ <33

[cyan wind]

dont worry about that, its a really good animation, specialy if you are starting and the software is not the most friendly to starters