alpha-two-tenok-eu

[bronze crag]

What era do we live in that we need consent to declare war?

[crimson parcel]

On starting wars:
People have free will. I know that is unacceptable to people with certain mentalities.
If you want to fight and somebody does not, they are free to ignore or run away or hide or log off (like corrupted hentais do)

[brisk fox]

Why are you suprised then when they are hugging guards? 😅

[bronze crag]

because they're calling to fight

[brisk fox]

???

[bronze crag]

Then get pissed off when we go find their stragglers elsewhere

[crimson parcel]

Going with assumption that starting a war puts obligation on other group to participate in said war to your liking...
It feels like some people are unable to comprehend concepts of free will.

Sorry, I am out of this conversation.
You have many suggestion for having proper pvp, feel free to act accordingly.
Or continue crying about how no people are coming served on silver platter to be ganked...

[brisk fox]

i feel like i am taking crazy pills here

[fluid coyote]

very simple just dont join a guild

[weak bone]

This reads like "we want the lootz" and not "we want pvp"

[bronze crag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[crimson parcel]

I don't understand you point at all.
Maybe you can try listing your assumptions and being a bit more explicit about what you are trying to say 🙂

[bronze crag]

He's not in a real guild anyway. Raslag is just a 4 man chat-PvP guild.

[ember wyvern]

was this where you said you were hanging out?

[brisk fox]

you just repeating same thing over and over again like he cares

oh nooo we are not in a real guild

[weak bone]

"Either way we only fight for gain; boat, pack, resources."

This says your statement isn't true, but ok.

[fluid coyote]

Joining a guild might make another guild declare a war if thats ur problem then just avoid joining a guild

[crimson parcel]

Still, I don't get what you are trying to say...

[fluid coyote]

i havent seen an actual guild they just crying and complaining

[crimson parcel]

I can join a guild, you can declare a war, what's the problem?

[thorn badge]

People still giving air time to the Guild Hopper Fallon? 🤣

[ember wyvern]

Gotta do something while crossing the ocean 🙂

[bronze crag]

Last war of Hentai vs Panda.

I joined bit late so I missed the start, when I logged in we were outnumbered by about 4, on top they had 4 bards and 4 clerics where we had 1 of each. All in all, we should 100% lose the fights. I think it started with us getting picked off a bit before we regrouped and started using terrain more to our advantage. All around Miraleth btw.

So we took position around the Colossus Crater, far enough so the guards don't interfere with the fight. Panda pushes out, we have a fight on the road just south of the crater. We win the fight, after which the score shifts into our favour, like 16-14 or so? But Panda loses confidence and goes to sit 20m away from the guards while telling us to come fight them.

We tell them to come fight away from guards instead but they refuse. So we leave and go hunting their stragglers instead to try and force them to come out. Instead they all log off. It's fine, guess we just win the war. But they're then complaining that we're just killing afks and gatherers during the war while we'd have been happy fighting them head on if they didn't just hug guards

[bronze crag]

Where'd that pirate guild you promised me go?

[crimson parcel]

This is 100% you "not crying"

[brisk fox]

Again.. Did they ask you to declare war? Did everyone in Panda guild wanted to fight?

[bronze crag]

yes, this is me explaining what Panda was crying about.

[weak bone]

good for you, dude

[bronze crag]

Again this isn't the 1800s

[fluid coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-break-heart-attack-game-over-emotional-gif-13300597

[charred stag]

I'm in panda, and in the last war we were in, we all had fun. I don't see the problem-

[bronze crag]

Were you there for the last one? Think a lot of yous were offline 'cause it was late. Did make it a relatively even 18vs16.

[crimson parcel]

Personally, if you start a war against me, I would just hug the guards or slowpoke stealth out of the city somewhere else and attack your solo guildies with no help near.
People have no obligation to do what you want them to do.

And given how toxic some groups are, knowing that hugging guards makes those toxic groups go mad seems like a very fun thing to do 🙂

[bronze crag]

War before that was better, even if it was 20v37+, we had a lot of fun and learned a lot from our mistakes.

[bronze crag]

Yea don't worry no one's declaring war against a 4-man guild.

[white radish]

Well you should probably not claim war at midnight if you want people to come. I thought you people are meant to be adults with jobs and children?

[brisk fox]

No, they just want loot and all this is nothing but excuse for their behavior

[bronze crag]

People did come though. Like I said it was a relatively even 18vs16. You had more people than we did, much better composition too. We had a good fight until yous got wiped once then hugged guards.

[white radish]

That's fair and all, but again malding about people not participating when it's in the dead of the night

[white radish]

Curious because that's not at all how I heard this fight went

[fluid coyote]

Well loot is a reason for PVP what u talking about

[bronze crag]

One of yours streamed it, you can probably watch it back.

[white radish]

Sorry I guess I'm about to request you some videos because I do not believe without proof

Jeru ig, let's see

[bronze crag]

Again, ask your own, your co-guild lead or whatever streamed it.

[brisk fox]

Sure, take loot, gank people, do what you want but dont make excuses thats all

[bronze crag]

Only thing you won't see there is how we told Pandas to come fight away from guards because he blocks his chat

[white radish]

Will do, eager to see this 18 people because last time y'all claimed it was a 30v30 when we didn't even have 15 ppl on our side

I'm not all that confident in your math

[timid oar]

You live in a paradox,
First your guild takes control of the biggest node of the server and makes enemies along the way, while abusing its previlieges on the tenok server
Then you demand freewill and to be left alone,
I mean if you want peace you can just play in a more chill guild of crafter that has no claims,
If you join a banner you are already wearing its colours, this is ridiculous

[brisk fox]

and they have to listen??

who do you think you are 😄

[crimson parcel]

Austrian painter kind of vibes...

[timid oar]

this is the problem of the today's world,
everyone does shit and expect no consequences.

[weak bone]

wait, abusing what privileges?

[white radish]

I don't think wars are anything bad, I do wish there was more time to prepare when you get declared on, though. As soon as I get at least semi decent gear I'd love to participate. That's actual pvp. What I think is pathetic is killing people who are xp farming.

[timid oar]

banning pvp players from the discord that is supposed to be a community discord of tenok where in fact only a handful remain because they share the same narrative of what the game should be ?

[bronze crag]

What? Last time it was 20vs37. We had 20, yous had 37 + however many of your alt guild came to purple flag to help dps.
Oh and Arkadys just flying out packs

[white radish]

Where's the screenshot? Cuz Jeru's group did not have that many people. I was watching the stream.

[weak bone]

from what I've heard the other mods say it was due to toxic behaviour

[crimson parcel]

Well Intrepid will decide on consequences, if any.
I am OK with that.
If you think that some guilds which I will not name should suffer consequences for calling people to be hanged or go die in some middle east country or get aborted, I agree with you 🙂

[timid oar]

it was proven that the nazi slurs came from grimwood

[ember wyvern]

First i heard of that 😮

[bronze crag]

Yea, I have the screenshot of that still. Apparently they left the guild already though.

[white radish]

Side note why does yukkis dragon look so cool? Can a mayor choose the form of the flying mount or is it zone specific?

[bronze crag]

Yea, in other discords. Most of us haven't even said a word in that 'official community discord' and were banned just for being in Hentai. Revelations leader got banned for saying something along the lines of 'Grimwood is gay' in their own guild discord. Crazy how far the 'official community discord' jurisdiction reaches.

[bronze crag]

Zone specific.

Delete this, it was posted a while ago and mods weren't happy.

[brisk fox]

And somehow everyone has problems with Hentai and no one with Grimwood... Makes you wonder huh?

oh no bad words 😱

[white radish]

I don't even see them around anymore?

Grim wood that is

[timid oar]

the issue there is that that discord has 4 lines of rules and none is transparent enough, whoever enforcers the rules (grimwood / nightsong etc) are free will to interpret what they want. Now you have big claims and a lot of soft power, dont come to cry when you die in a war

[white radish]

Jack quit and they all disappeared

[bronze crag]

I think Grimwood died sometime after we warred one guild and most of them gquit to avoid it.

[brisk fox]

i see them every now and then, not as much as before but they are here

[timid oar]

Then go make new rules that are more inclusive ? stop selling the idea of a cozy game on that discord because all the opposition has been banned or more players will just be surprised when they encounter pvp IG

[white radish]

I thought 3 people quit? Lol

That's what you kept spamming in chat

[weak bone]

Jack did get bullied relentlessly for trying his best to provide a good experience for the people around him

[brisk fox]

holy f... not everything is about you 🤣

[bronze crag]

Forgot the names, been a while. But one quit on the spot, then later we found like 5 more of them guildless at lighthouse.

[white radish]

Y'all have them all in memory or?

I know of one cuz he was grouped with us doing giants and he kept pvp flagging all of us so he was like fuck this and left lol

[bronze crag]

Had, some recognisable names. Forgotten most now though, since I ain't seen them around in a while.

[bronze crag]

Didn't know it worked like that. Should be an isolated kind of PvP event. 🤔

Might be another bug, we found a couple more bugs in the war system.

[white radish]

I think it tags every guild member in some radius? He had a mark in front of his name like a white plague

Idk if it works from anywhere though

[timid oar]

i remind you that your guilds received an exocommunication from the divine new church of the seven because of that shit and this is bad, very bad, very very bad and instead of fixing it and may be, may be find salvation you keep doing nothing and be surprised that people are more and more hostile

[bronze crag]

Yea, but that shouldn't flag yous if yous aren't in one of the warring guilds.

[white radish]

I guess it clashes if he's flagged because of war and we wouldn't be but still can heal him

[bronze crag]

I think Grimwood don't need this anymore, they're done.

[bronze crag]

Ah yea maybe that purple flags then, guess that would make sense.

[brisk fox]

it's just the same few people...

[weak bone]

I do commend you on your RP commitment. Not alot of those around

[bronze crag]

Not since Grimwood

[weak bone]

ok dude

[brisk fox]

what a low effort ragebait

you can do better than that

[bronze crag]

Literally a cult themed roleplay guild.. but take it as you will 🙄

[brisk fox]

says Hentai

? indeed

[mystic raven]

I tend to agree. I propose that @plush wind be given admin over the server discord. He has always been open to chat pvp.

[bronze crag]

He already has admin, from what I heard it was him that originally banned Hentai members. Lording over the 'official tenok discord' while barely even playing the game. Sitting at level 17 while complaining about PvP in discord.

[mystic raven]

Meh, I wouldnt worry much. No one uses it anyway other than mayors for planning.

[green cove]

i doubt his main is lvl 17 if his second char is 21 but sure ^^

[mystic raven]

In his defense, can you imagine the amount of time he has to spend herding all those cats in Joeva?

[quartz gulch]

lvl 17 crying about pvp ... he he h

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27567306

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-shame-ringing-bell-walk-of-shame-gif-13316112511080767236

He was kicked from Hentai and joined Panda, imagine

[charred stag]

true, shame

[limpid nova]

that list is nice

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

[latent phoenix]

Crazy how most of the people that got banned are from the larger servers. It’s less than 30 from Tenok lol

[timid oar]

go go whoever is in the CS and designers team

[plush wind]

Bubbles hasn't been my main since phase 1 😭 first we needed a tank so StevenShagrief was born, then we've needed clerics so Sahara and Radiant have seen more action. Bubbles is always just my carpenter and doesn't hit 25 until a couple months in 🥹

[left mason]

Hmmmm, i smell something sussy

[limpid nova]

Fake

Cuz I was just hustling around

Also where guild name pls

[left mason]

You musta dropped guild

[limpid nova]

I cant drop from my own guild 😭

[white radish]

that hella sus

[plush wind]

Flash wtf!!!

[left mason]

Ofc you can, isn't FlashSummon the guild leader?

[limpid nova]

He'd be listed too

Y'all trying to nerf my trade powers

[left mason]

You seem to be an expert on these things, very sus

[limpid nova]

I'm an expert at too many things... and not in many more others... must reach perfection

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[ember wyvern]

I could vouch for you.... for a price....

[limpid nova]

Y'ALL LOVE MY COIN

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

[plush wind]

Flash is Tenok's mascot, they can't nerf him

[mighty oracle]

Reminder!

[mystic raven]

Most of you are bastards, but at least you're LEGIT bastards. Well played Tenok.

Is it RMT if you paid cash for feetpix? Asking for a friend.

[limpid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[limpid nova]

tell that to steven, 2 years of nerfing attempts that failed hard

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/drooling-kitty-drooling-cute-kitty-tongue-out-cat-drooling-cat-gif-7404419385556307556

[limpid nova]

meow

[weak bone]

Beneath that gold hard exterior, you're just a big softie ❤️

[modern sun]

Wasn't this the same guild that was accusing people of being nazis in here last week?

[forest steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/honey-pie-gif-honey-pie-meme-honey-pie-animation-gif-6443245384981353406

[quartz gulch]

?

So now i cannot support my MAyor?

Why so toxic against everything that my guild does

[ember wyvern]

I'm sorry, but unfortunately history has an effect on the words you use in the present

I don't beleive you're that ignorant 🙂

[quartz gulch]

You mean you are racist against me who speak German`?

[modern sun]

Just a screenshot of something you said in chat buddy, if you think it's ok then surely there's no problem and it's not toxic?

[quartz gulch]

So im now not allowed to speak german?

[modern sun]

Why the big reaction?

[ember wyvern]

<@&542059693779058748> I'm not dealing with this

[quartz gulch]

im sowwy that you are mad by life i cannot help you, but you should seek therapy

[modern sun]

The irony 😂

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

[spice kelp]

I guess no one is allowed to name their child Jeffrey anymore

[crimson parcel]

You could maybe get away by using fuhrer without capitalizing it.
But capitalizing it?
I thought that was big no-no in germany, but maybe the laws have changed...

I mean, we all know it is not the first, nor the second, nor the third time your guild is spewing nazi shit.

[modern sun]

Now ask it about "mein Fuhrer"

[crimson parcel]

And that thing you posted, part which says "and certain phrases"....

[spice kelp]

Guess @quartz gulch is in the wrong here

[spice kelp]

I honestly don't care to be fair, it's a video game and I highly doubt that my jewish friend @quartz gulch is a follower of ww2 ideologies

though he should probably tone the ragebait down a bit to many snowflakes on our server 🤣

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27567306

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/saga-of-tanya-the-evil-tanya-salute-german-gif-14339477

[modern sun]

You know you fucked up brother and this attempt to plead ignorant isn't fooling anybody

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-leonardo-di-caprio-prevalent-mind-snowflake-sad-gif-12171235

[modern sun]

If you think I'm offended in the slightest by you calling me a snowflake you are almost as stupid as your boy here 😂

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-baymax-there-there-patting-head-pat-head-gif-17634358873307423130

[quartz gulch]

i mean i'm not surprised that you offended by everything

[forest steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[acoustic nimbus]

The name XD

[white radish]

Don't worry they haven't been taught about WW2 at school yet

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-uchiha-ragebait-ragebait-of-this-level-ragebait-of-this-level-has-no-effect-on-me-gif-7187797612453609971

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

I heard that hentai got censored and changed, can y'all change it to something else?

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[white radish]

its a question bozo

i just came back from work so idk if yall managed to get it changed already

taking that as a no seeing youre incapable of using anything but gifs

[white radish]

oooof

thats lame ngl

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[spice kelp]

It clearly bothers you more than it bothers me

[white radish]

clearly

[spice kelp]

There's a difference between being bothered and getting in contact for information

[white radish]

sure thing unbothered king

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[spice kelp]

Got out of bed with the wrong foot?

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-rage-bait-jarvis-clip-that-jarvis-meme-gif-11046632004782930587

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-bears-da-bears-chicago-bears-football-trash-garbage-gif-4401571382323645540

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/job-application-job-application-meme-job-application-jump-scare-jump-scares-meme-gif-5457006858428793332

[mystic raven]

Damn tone it down Zonyax, you are triggering my anxiety disability.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-jammins-if-youre-broke-just-say-so-if-youre-a-broke-boy-just-say-so-if-your-a-broke-boy-just-say-so-brokie-gif-2543654209257772401

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-cocky-love-myself-feeling-good-gif-3917178

[timid oar]

What's going on here

[white radish]

the usual shenanigans

i thought you were meant to be a guildless entity ??

[timid oar]

i might create a new guild that will be the best in this server
i came up with its name already, everyone will try to join it i'm sure of it
we will fix the game and mass report anyone doing pvp using the new report system that intreprid is building
if you wonder, the guild's discord will be named "Ashes of Creation - Tenok community"

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/sign-me-up-yes-ready-lets-do-this-hype-gif-15669344

[wintry pecan]

can someone tell Nathariel to start with orders so i can run boxes

and mats

Need to change mayor in new aela

[grand rapids]

Can't make iron ingots on the realm?

[acoustic nimbus]

you better off building up Sunhaven. Turks seem closer to Masters stoneworks than the New Aela believe it or not.

[green cove]

why not?

[grand rapids]

I don't think there's high enough metalworking atm. Pretty sure there was at some point

I remember seeing iron ignots for sale

[fair isle]

what kinda server is this?=

[green cove]

we have master metalworking in halcyon, but Iron Ingot is Journeyman so i dont know what your issue is
we have journeyman metalworking stations in Joeva, Miraleth, Vhalgadim

[white radish]

small but cozy

[grand rapids]

Didn't notice that halcyon had it, ty

[edgy wolf]

A dead server

[mystic raven]

It's not the server, it's the "game". At this point a month in, most active folks are max level, have done a craft and have decent gear (other than jewelry 😁). Not much to do other than a bit of sporadic pvp, make alts or fish

[pure obsidian]

Crafting being the only way to get endgame gear is whats killing the muliplayer aspect of the game. How many times i asked people to run forge/carphin or anything else just to be told they are busy chopping wood or sniping the market for materials.

And not having people compete for these farm spots also leads to zero pvp. I just dont understand this decision.

[wintry field]

<@&519722995778977812> FIX NEW AELA TAX PLS

[placid trellis]

Server up 🙂

[pine valley]

when this server open btw ?

[mystic raven]

Wrong there. I'll drop guild tags if it means gettin my grubby hands on some hawt lithium

It's more that the number or people who know what to go for AND are going for it, is very small....prob under 50

[crimson parcel]

From what I understand, long-term idea of the game is that people will compete for spots in which materials can be farmed.

Corruption (harbinger) is just one example of this. Sport fishing in pvp zone will be another.
Those systems have to be developed more to make it worthwhile for more people.

Cost of perma losing boat is too high, and for caravans it is even worse if you invest into a good caravan.
Losing crates when somebody kills caravan is already punishment enough, but losing caravan permanently is way too much.
If caravans went on cooldown (even large, like a week or two weeks) instead of getting perma destroyed, I am pretty sure more people would drive them.

[mystic raven]

Right. They always talk about risk vs reward, but the risk for attacking a caravan is literally zero. Nothing.

[weak bone]

There's quite a bunch of feedback threads regarding this, but I can only agree.

Caravans won't be a big thing until there's also a risk for the attacker.

Ships won't be a big thing until we can somehow repair them.

[acoustic nimbus]

Why should there be a risk for the attacker? afterall at the start of a caravan/trade run the person with the pack is the one with the reward.

They just need to lesser the blow of losing a ship and increase the reward. - fishing

Caravans just need more reward simple as that.

Packers mules are just overpowered atm with corruption system. for caravans to exist packers need to be flagged (purple) the same.
packing running should be done in a group/guild event. not the avg joe going backwards and forwards

Archeage had a solution where the pack reward was split 20% (crafter) / 80% to who ever hands in
Note: Fish packs were best money maker but they were 100% to who ever handed them in

Just remember the game is meant to be played with a guild.

[weak bone]

I don't know. Better caravan rewards would just make it even better to attack (with 0 risk), and even worse to defend (and risking everything).

[acoustic nimbus]

well, i think you find if they nerf/fix pack mules caravans will be more of a thing

we dont see them cus its alot easier to just run 3 packs with a corruption system that discourage people from attacking you

corruption is not a mere joke.

I know lads who lost epic greatsword for being stupid xD

[crimson parcel]

I don't see point of leaving caravan attackers risk free while increasing rewards, they lose nothing and can gain everything.
And people driving the caravan loses not only stuff that attackers gain, but they lose full caravan also.

System basically means that only zergs can do caravans and if zerg is aggressive "pvp gankers guild" nobody else can do caravans.

[acoustic nimbus]

Well thats the content right? risk vs reward.
You can have everything easy. else that get boring.

[crimson parcel]

Increasing caravan rewards means that zerg will just get stronger when they take all the crates from other caravans

[acoustic nimbus]

your right.

[crimson parcel]

Which risk is there for attackers?

[acoustic nimbus]

I miss spoke about caravans i think they shouldnt increase the reward. just pack runners to be flagged

[crimson parcel]

Since they invest nothing, their risk should come from somewhere because they get all rewards.

On pack runners flagged, I agree. 100% agree.

There should be some incentives for harcore overgeared pvp gankers to not attack caravans of weaker guilds.
Whether that incentive comes from penalties that come from attacking caravan or something else, not that important.

[acoustic nimbus]

Yea i miss spoke on caravens as zergs either pve or pvp doesnt matter just MASS NUMBER if they organised enough for it will dominate the trade runs.

but packers need to be flagged. sorry but avg joe/bots shouldnt able to go backwards and forwards all day long.

But remember risk vs reward.. you can do things to lesser the risk involved like Mass numbers groups.

this is why archeage fishing raids were a thing

you have 50 people from all different guilds fishing together

tradeships back then would do their runs in the middle of the night/early morning. less the risk

its not always a case when you start a pack run you would lose your pack and if theres a FIGHT? well thats the content the breaks up the tedious ever so grind.

[pure obsidian]

feel free to share these spots if you want more pvp

[bronze crag]

Plenty of 'risk' to the attacker, just no artificially added 'risk' like a buy-in or whatever, that would be stupid.
They flag for PvP so they can die ergo they'll take xp debt, lose materials (if they carry any) and eat a repair bill. And if they get fully repelled and get nothing out of attacking the caravan that's their time wasted.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-12567454887078541885

[bronze crag]

I agree that a 20% to crafter and 80% to seller is a great solution, but then ArcheAge had a tonne of good systems that should be looked into more. But hell no to any more artificial risks or punishments for contesting loot.

The norm is risk versus reward where the risk is posed by players after your packs. If you want your packs protected then get some people to guard it. In ArcheAge we did guild pack runs where 1 person turned the backs in and the rest of the zerg came along to defend, either everyone then got a split or it was used to benefit the guild like getting our first galleon.

If you brought packs alone, guaranteed people would gank you for them if you got spotted, hell people would camp Freedich for some juicy packs. But in Ashes people would think twice and then turn away from even 3 packs, or probably even 10 packs because it's not worth their epic greatsword.

Bottomline is still the corruption system here being dogshit, if only that was fixed it would change the mule meta entirely and in part fix the economy.

[crimson parcel]

I think that for your taste, losing your time while defenders lose more time + crates + caravan puts you too much in disadvantage for your liking.
Perhaps when somebody attacks caravan, they should have invincibility buff to avoid xp debt stat penalties and material loss.

For all normal people, idea is that doing something malicious should have much higher risk (and higher reward) than being a good doggy.

[bronze crag]

Sounds to me like you just want caravans and mules to be free money.
The risk shouldn't be for 'doing something malicious' but for doing something profitable, running packs is profitable so there should be risk. And hey if a PvPer steals it, they become the crate runner and the next guy can be that risk.

[spice kelp]

I'd run caravans 24/7 if they weren't 5x slower than mules

Despite all the risks due to the insane rewards

[crimson parcel]

I agree that mules should be pvp tagged. Thought it was clear to anybody who reads chat.

I also know that currently, caravans put all the risk on defenders. There is no incentive at all to not attack the caravan (disregarding guild/personal relations).
Talking about how attackers get xp debt, repair cost or lose mats as some risk significant when compared to risk of defenders feels completely disingenuous.

[crimson parcel]

Just make a good caravan. Epic T3 wood, epic/legendary T3 bob.

[spice kelp]

Still slower than a mule

way slower

[crimson parcel]

Tried it?

Because supposedly you are new to the game

[spice kelp]

even if you slap a legendary pride they're still slower

[quartz gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164934537910960158/1307020389159010334/ssstik.io__d1s6ix__1716396924911.gif

[spice kelp]

being new to the game doesn't mean that you know nothing about it

[crimson parcel]

You can carry 24 crates also

[spice kelp]

i may be new but I'm not clueless

[spice kelp]

That's great but who wants to go through a 4h journey from sunhaven to durgrhum for that

It's not even risky considering caravans bug out and cannot be attacked on switching worker nodes

it's just slow

[crimson parcel]

I don't think good caravan is 4 times slower.
Would like to test it eventually, but investing so much money into something which will get destroyed by ganker guild makes no sense at all.

[spice kelp]

"You don't think" but that's the truth

[crimson parcel]

Could be. I don't know 🙂

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bowtime-bow-time-bow-bows-hello-gif-13100553823761906109

[white radish]

are you and yukki related

[quartz gulch]

Who are Yukki?

[crimson parcel]

Also, your caravan 4h trip would not be boring.
I think you would get a lot of pvp action. And paying a lot for that pvp action would make sense for proper pvp guild

[bronze crag]

You forgot the waste of time aspect if they get nothing.

[quartz gulch]

Dont know him and dont wanna know, leave me alone

[bronze crag]

Just because they don't craft the packs themselves doesn't mean they don't miss out.

Or are any less deserving

[white radish]

you seem like that annoying little brother that repeats everything the big boys say

[quartz gulch]

Still mad?

[white radish]

about?

[acoustic nimbus]

Remember what i said about risk vs reward.
I like pvp.. but i like money more!

https://tenor.com/view/business-this-is-business-dollar-dollar-bills-money-gif-17723452229741746710

Even better when it isnt my packs that im turning in

[bronze crag]

I like PvP with purpose the most.

[crimson parcel]

So launching 4 good caravans, that is 96 crates, with couple of hours of fun while defending...
Not profitable enough? Too much risk?

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-27398499

[spice kelp]

If it was working properly, yeah. Unfortunately caravans glitch out on majority of major worker node switches and become not attackable. That's why New Aela got their relic home, we were unable to sign up as attackers half way through the ocean.

[acoustic nimbus]

Its more the investment of the caravan atm i CBA with. why bother when packs mules are more advantageous

[crimson parcel]

Because dopamine hit you get from risk is much better than getting high because you finance your character power by doing boring mules and then using that power to gank weaker groups 🙂

[acoustic nimbus]

Minimal investment = maximized profit

In the short term

i may later endgame have a deck out caravan

but i got thing to invest into atm

So pack mules as they are. too strong too easy and fast cash

[crimson parcel]

Oh, I thought that bugged shorty after climbing on hill in NA?
Because I was seeing attackers all the time until then, and I thought I noticed new ones on the beach in NA.
Some were not red, then became red.

[spice kelp]

Pack mules are screwing the economy on multiple fronts right now. Causing gold inflation and material scarcity on the market simultaneously.

[bronze crag]

Always these same arguments of 'you should be punished more and do the less advantageous things because you are PvP guild'

[spice kelp]

On our server la mano relic caravan just outright kicked out all attackers on ZOI switch and didn't let anyone sign up for either attackers or defenders

[crimson parcel]

No, I think that risk vs reward should be balanced on caravan runs.
Does not matter if "you as pvp guild" are attacking or defending.
If you defended your caravans, and were constantly being destroyed I would still argue that attacking them has no meaningful risk.

[spice kelp]

Attacking tradeships on archeage had no meaningful risk either, it's all risk for defenders due to the reward they're reaping

[crimson parcel]

Where did that bug out? Because I was noticing green people becoming red once we as defenders and caravan were landing on beach.

[bronze crag]

yea except 'yous should go do caravans instead of mules because PvP guild'

[crimson parcel]

This is how you get healthy pvp. Nobody is forcing you to do that. Keep playing in maximally advantageous way if that makes you happy 🙂

[white radish]

Yeah honestly i think the risk should be for the one that would get the reward. The risk being that someone can steal your loot. This game needs to enforce more PvP.

[spice kelp]

Perhaps some players didn't bug out but our entire guild, black company and others got kicked out of attackers and couldn't re-sign up even after relogging

[crimson parcel]

I personally killed at least a couple from your guild, and some others on that beach.

I was defender, you were attackers, some became attackers as caravan was getting close to beach.
And it bugged about ~2mins? after that fight, once caravan was up on hill in NA

Maybe there is also some limit on how many attacker/defenders can be per team or smth?

besides the zone switch bug

[spice kelp]

People have this twisted view where "PVP is only PVP if it's a good, balanced, consensual fight". We're playing an MMO where guilds are essentialy warring nations, denying each other resources, playing the economy, snowballing and impeding other guilds development are part of PVP in games like this

[mystic raven]

There is no risk for attackers in caravan. They get the same reward if they win, but only the caravan owner has something to lose

My thought is mules should be as they are for individuals. Caravans should be for guild commodities & relics which get an increase in value/utility. Running a caravan then is a group effort, open pvp, etc. No crowbars either, if you rob the caravan you have to then load it all into one and you have to be in a guild to turn on the guild crates.

So maybe an individual caravan nets you 5 gold....a caravan crate gets you 15

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, of course. Social sandbox MMO.
Part of long-term strategy. Not that meaningful in alpha test, but still sensible.

My view is more for long-term, "nerfing" yourself a little bit, to give others chance to participate in pvp and learn to love it. it is quite sad how many parties simply "nope" out of any pvp encounters.

[mystic raven]

They only nope if you let them and are afraid to flag up

[crimson parcel]

and for @mystic raven I generally agree, but I think mules are too safe for the money they generate in time invested.

[spice kelp]

For what we know this alpha test could last for over a year

[white radish]

because believe it or not the average human doesnt like it when he thinks things are unfair

[mystic raven]

Honestly they only make good money initially and then the payout is meh. What needs nuked is the Avens to Briarmoor run.

[spice kelp]

So the whole notion of "it's just an alpha" doesn't hold up considering alot of people don't even play the same MMO for that long

[crimson parcel]

Of course, but I think majority of audience for ashes enjoys that slow-burn, long term grind.
My thoughts are that server will stay alive and active much longer if there is at least a bit of balance in pvp.

And since there are no wipes with all exploits we had so far (and I know only about stacking node buffs and that there was some duping bug), there is solid chance that there will not be an exploit bad enough to force intrepid to fix economy by wiping.

[mystic raven]

What do you feel is currently unbalanced in pvp? If anything, it seems we'd need to stimulate it more

Fixing the mount baiting was a huge gain

[bronze crag]

That got fixed? How?

[crimson parcel]

Caravan balance. Make them leak crates and caravan goes on some cooldown or it is "too dead to carry crates" and must be repaired by carpenter or whatever.

[crimson parcel]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/70046

[bronze crag]

Basically he wants to punish people for attacking caravans because it's malicious behaviour with no risk.

[crimson parcel]

Fallon blatantly lying again.
My stance is clear, I am OK with people attacking caravans, but with current system in which attackers have virtually no risk, losing caravan in addition to losing crates is too much.
I think a lot more people would invest into better (faster and larger) caravans if they were not perma destroyed.

Of course, I totally understand why people who enjoy mule riding are against making caravan system better 🙂

To elaborate a bit more: I think caravans should also be faster. Good caravan should be fast roughly as walking without mount.

And we need more systems in the game, allow nodes to deny access to city (guards attack) for citizens of other nodes, specific guilds or even characters.

There are many features intrepid mentioned, some stated as planned mechanics (all under "subject to change").

[bronze crag]

Right because they have 'virtually no risk'. But I already explained that they share the same risks as anyone that engages in PvP; xp debt, repair bill, materials and time investment.

And you're absolutely wrong in thinking more people would invest in caravans because they're simply not as easy or safe as running mules. Normal caravan costs like 10 silver. And in theory, it should be much safer for a group to defend a caravan containing everyone's packs than to run a mule raid people on mules can't fight, people carrying packs have a harder time fighting. But the corruption system being as punishing as it is turns that around entirely.

This issue will only be fixed if either the corruption system gets a good rework so it's not anti-PvP in general but anti-griefing like it's originally meant to be, or pack carriers are flagged.

[hollow skiff]

Any casual guilds on this server?+

[bronze crag]

Yea plenty, try Raslag.

[crimson parcel]

Well, I know that I would invest in caravan if it was not permaloss when attacked.
And many others who I talk with would do the same.

Of course, I could be "absolutely wrong" as you put it for trusting those people, or even crazier, thinking that I know my own thought process better than you do....

Good caravan takes a fuckton of gold, processing T3 wood and getting good rarity on those mats is not cheap or easy.

[spice kelp]

Raslag, Pandas, MoE, Revelation, Grimwood (if they still exist), Revian

those are all casual english speaking ones

[bronze crag]

People run crates between Avens and Farm for easy silver on mules, why don't they do that on a 10 silver caravan and bring many more crates?

[spice kelp]

Funnily enough because you'll move more packs per hour on mules than with a caravan 🤣

[hollow skiff]

thank you

[crimson parcel]

Because cheap caravan is so much slower. And it can't carry many crates.

crates/time is probably better on mules

[spice kelp]

Exactly and that's a big issue here, even long distance you're better off running crates back and forth between two cities on a mule because you'll be able to move higher volume of crates

even if you disregard any sort of risks

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, of course. But don't disregard that this is about cheap caravan.
Good caravan has better crates/time.

[spice kelp]

Problem is that it does not

[crimson parcel]

And that is my main point (which is hard to understand for some).
Even if mules stay as they are...

That extra crates/time on good caravan is offset by caravan being attacked and losing crates.
Losing the caravan is too steep penalty.

Wait, epic caravan with legendary T3 bob is 8 times slower than mule?

It should not be, even on normal "not-road" terrain.

[spice kelp]

Lets be realistic and say you've got a heroic braidwood caravan with a pride lion pulling it

You'll be like 30% faster than a base caravan due to how movement speed works

and that's on road

[crimson parcel]

Can you elaborate or provide sources?
I have seen videos of caravans moving at speed higher than walking.
(and faster than mounts back when bard and ranger could buff it)

[spice kelp]

WALKING

[crimson parcel]

higher than walking

[spice kelp]

you're talking about walking though

my man no one walks with packs, people use formula one alpine mules

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, of course.

I am thinking that 24 slot caravan "hc t3 wood + legendary pride" is not 8 times slower than a mule

[spice kelp]

Also I'm pretty sure caravs max out at 14 slots

+1 pack on your back

[crimson parcel]

Hm, maybe they changed that.
Epic T3 was 24 slots IIRC

[spice kelp]

true but that's not realistic

[crimson parcel]

in that case: caravans should be buffed a bit (in both speed and storage)
mules should be either heavily nerfed or pvp-flagged

[mystic raven]

Which makes caravans a guild event imo. 24 decent crates for a solo is crazy and you'd be insane to risk it without guards

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, of course. But still as a guild event, in any non-hardcore guild it does not make much sense if attack is basically guaranteed.
Small guilds, especially ones with more casual players have no chance even against smaller "hardcore geared pvp" groups

[spice kelp]

Even then it wouldn't make sense, because 8 people could carry those crates on mules with negligible risk and make the run much quicker

[crimson parcel]

Caravans should be "ressurectable", bit more storage and speed, nerf mules.

[spice kelp]

Mules shouldn't have been added to the game

People should carry packs either in caravans or on their backs if they want safety

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[spice kelp]

same shit with fishing boats

why can a mule carry 2 large fish

and a whole damn fishing boat only max of 4 mediums

[crimson parcel]

Especially since even with F1 super safe mules, I can't be arsed to do those runs.
Only if some "guild event", and that is "OK, since you are all doing it, I will do also"...

[spice kelp]

Well to be fair you're in Raslag so you probably can't even get half a group to do a run

[crimson parcel]

Hey, Raslag #1 chat-pvp!

[spice kelp]

What I'd love to hear is what @iron patio stance is on guild names and moderation in that aspect, considering ArcheAge was pretty much unfiltered when it comes to guilds, going as far as allowing people to display their custom guild emblems on ship sails.

[crimson parcel]

Btw, why did you guys disband and make a new guild?

If they changed it for you, that is a bit weird, like "hentai" does not seem offensive at all...

[spice kelp]

We didn't, we got forcefuly renamed to "Yukkimuras Guild" after the last patch

With no communication of any sort

[crimson parcel]

Maybe some bug?

[spice kelp]

and no way to change the guild name without disbanding/creating a new one

[crimson parcel]

You were lead, it was not something like other owner previously, but deleted char or smth and some default ops happened on backend?

[spice kelp]

No idea, could've been mass reports, could've been a support rep who just didn't like it.

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sesame-street-shrug-idk-i-have-no-idea-gif-17243185

[mystic raven]

Rename to Futanari

[spice kelp]

There's no "renaming" system in the game

[mystic raven]

Well since they changed it, one would assume they have to let you rename

[spice kelp]

It's either delete the guild, take the cooldown hit for everyone and lose all levels or just stay with whatever was assigned to us after the patch

[crimson parcel]

IMHO, you guys are sometimes super toxic in game chat, today's chat here was rather pleasant.
I could see why they would mute some of your members or smth like that, but changing guild name feels weird since I don't see hentai as something offensive.

Like, there are others, like "sieg five" which could fall under explanation that it is too close to heil when pronouncing it and some others which could be theorized as offensive...

Was it changed directly upon patch? Not like you got level or guild xp and then it got changed?

[spice kelp]

Nah it was directly after the maintenance

[mystic raven]

Total BS.

[bronze crag]

Agreed but don't force it into a guild locked event. If someone wants to risk it, or maybe even hire people to guard their caravan that should be fine.

[spice kelp]

In like 17 years of this community existance I have rran into issues with our guild name twice, here and on TnL where we got automaticaly renamed due to mass reports

on TnL we went from Hentai to Rename001 then to Rename002 then 3 day ban for me for "inappropriate guild name" then Rename003 🤣

[bronze crag]

Tbh I hated the guild name from the start so I kinda prefer what it is now but still bullshit that it was changed, they should at least reach out and offer a rename.

[spice kelp]

Like a week after 400 man turkish alliance joined our server and they couldn't win node wars against us

[crimson parcel]

Maybe "ban whole guild" function has bug and it just changed name...

[bronze crag]

Automated system most likely.

[mystic raven]

Being as hentai is not a profanity, it certainly appears to be harassment targeting an ethnicity or nationality, which is illegal in the US, where Intrepid resides

[crimson parcel]

But they are targeting themselves, not others

[bronze crag]

[spice kelp]

@plush wind Thanks for griefing your own citizens 🤣 It's open season

Also nice propaganda, Citizenship is account based not character based.

[spice kelp]

🤣

[modern sun]

Shame you guys dipped as soon as you started getting rekt

Now killing sport fishers to pump the numbers after spending 30 minutes running from our group 🙁

[bronze crag]

Cooking dinner, will be back tonight. Wiping your group 5 or 6 times was enough for me for now.

[bronze crag]

Massing the largest town in the server vs one guild and still losing.

[modern sun]

Guess your definition of "winning" is fighting lowbies until a group gets formed then immediately running away once you start getting wiped 🤔 Whatever makes you feel better I guess..

[bronze crag]

Right, cause your group isn't formed until it outnumbers us 4 to 1.

[spice kelp]

Oh you mean the 14 vs entire Joeva and the fact we were farming you 14vs 30+? lmao

Sadly we don't have enough mana to deal with the ever increasing numbers fighting next to an emberspring

Also yes I will kill every Joevian, this is war, chief. Your mayor declared it not us, blame him.

[crimson parcel]

As soon as we had more than 12 people and group was forming fun factor increased.
Sadly hardcore pvp group can't handle losing or dying so they are hiding.

As soon as advantage was on other side, "hardcore pvp group" lost all interest in fighting.
Totally expected that they fight only while advantage is on their side.

Expected a bit more "fight to the bitter end", but OK, I understand that some kids can't handle losing.

Is perfectly OK that you snipe when you can and play safe, some people are super risk-averse and that is OK.

[spice kelp]

We were fighting for like 3 hours, fuck you mean it's dinner time

[modern sun]

The saddest thing is the PVP actually started to get really fun for a bit when a group was formed and 15 minutes later you guys just ran off 🙁

[crimson parcel]

Did not notice 3 hours passed, was fun so it flied quickly 🙂

[bronze crag]

I bet it was fun for you when you had 4x our numbers, but there's not much point for us in throwing ourselves into the zerg wave.

2 to 1 is doable, 4 to 1 not so much. Maybe once we're all full Rosarium.

But it's fine, dinner time anyway so good time to dip and take a break. Can go again later and if necessary take another break to not get zerged

[quartz gulch]

tHANK YOU OF MAKING IT POSSIBLE!

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-cat-kitty-pussycat-love-you-gif-1407003454344358310

[quartz gulch]

you mean 50 of you?

[crimson parcel]

You started running as soon as we had 20 people in group 🙂

[quartz gulch]

get better

and stop crying

[crimson parcel]

Hentai still crying?

[queen matrix]

Please remember to report on the website these bots

FFAAA and DATT

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[left mason]

You can add Bangkok to the mix, has reached level 20 just mining it seems like

[spice kelp]

Seems like we've also got immortal players running around, bots will 100% pick this up

[left mason]

Nah he is just better, I believe people call it skill issue these days 😂

It’s the classic 20k hp adept build

[modern sun]

"

[placid trellis]

Congratulations and thnx to you and all your citizens 🙂

[mental lark]

what's your hp lil bro

[spice kelp]

🤣

[spice kelp]

@crimson parcel You lost Joevians the war, smh

[quartz gulch]

EZ

@crimson parcel explain yourself?

[crimson parcel]

What, I killed him few times, he killed me few times 🙂

[fluid coyote]

full sattlement cant take down 1 guild thats embarrassing 🤣

[quartz gulch]

full sattlement cant take down 1 guild thats embarrassing 🤣

[acoustic nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1448246740217102516/1462408139491119259/image.png?ex=696e1536&is=696cc3b6&hm=6ea7aa81adf2c7720ad9014ec61212685c05b6c20836a02ade8b96d8cdce40d4&

For those who dont know Radiant here mayor of joeva leader of raslag

Wow should of log to save face there

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-popcorn-gif-6405811621619903515

[fluid coyote]

there is no face left to save 139 - 500

[quartz gulch]

@crimson parcel ?? how does it feels????HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

[crimson parcel]

You guys managed to win against casual "4 person pve guild".
Congratulations. Shows that you are proper hardcore pvp group 🙂

Was disappointed with how you were hiding behind guards initially for an hour or so.
And killing lowbies later around, running away from pvp folks, not really honorable...
But you did win, and your dirty tactics were super effective.
We started war, was mainly to test out how it works and a little bit of fun.
You won it thoroughly.

I am quite happy that nothing bugged out over so much time war lasted.
There are some things which should be fixed IMHO, running from warring node to safe zone should not be so easy.
(those hit few lowbies and go back to Avens End safety)

[quartz gulch]

AHHAAHHA

[quartz gulch]

AHAHAHAHAAHHA

[acoustic nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1448996992473628786/1462409852532817982/image.png?ex=696e16cf&is=696cc54f&hm=97b49dd993737562086bd94f87a692d7e4e390e7f539ebc42f5c6013aaee6adc&

[crimson parcel]

Feels great, I had loads of fun.

Considering how weak my gear is compared to all of you, quite happy with all kills I managed to get despite me being no-skill casual pve 🙂

[quartz gulch]

87 OF YOU AHHAHAHAHAHAHAA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[crimson parcel]

Very good job on farming fishers and lowbies goblin.
And kudos for not being total kitty like some of your guildmates, you actually stayed and fought.
And you got some legit kills too.
Good job 🙂

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/кусь-gif-18146801

that you

HAHAHAHAHA

[fluid coyote]

its not GvG its Sattlement Vs Guild stop giving dumb excuses Kao

[quartz gulch]

@crimson parcel

i will make a newspaper specially for this!

@crimson parcel ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-cat-kitty-pussycat-love-you-gif-1407003454344358310

[lofty steeple]

Wow what a great strategy from Joeva’s mayors

[crimson parcel]

But do it under Sanctus account pls goblin 🙂

[mental lark]

damn you guys trying so hard to ragebait kao but he ain't falling for it

props to kao

[spice kelp]

You outnumbered us 6:1, 5 minutes into every fight. With the close proximity of embersprings it is physically impossible to sustain a prolonged fight against an actual zerg. We wiped you we moved on, simple.

[bronze crag]

Virgin Joeva mayor vs chat Dhurgrum mayor

[quartz gulch]

What is that, its writes good english, i cannot like that

[crimson parcel]

Nah, we outnumbered, but more like 2:1
Maybe close to 3:1 in start of day, but we were really poorly organized.
You did good, proper tactics, not everextending.

Tried to organize group, but I am not so fast typer, really need voice for that

[quartz gulch]

he fell for it when he answered

[bronze crag]

Herding sheep into the lion's den.

[quartz gulch]

Bubbles are clueless, oh lord...

[crimson parcel]

And was great fun today also.
Most I had in couple of weeks in ashes, even if that chasing your fast mounts around was a bit annoying 🙂

[quartz gulch]

I wanted to craft my rosarium sett today 🙁

[spice kelp]

I took a screenshot at the end unfortunately screencapped something else right after....

[crimson parcel]

You aimed to get kill on me as 500?

[spice kelp]

There were literally over 50 Joevians vs 14 of us

No, you just went out of position

[crimson parcel]

yeah, tried to talk to them, some went back, but went up when you cam down from hill

Not having voice comms was really big problem for us

[tawny junco]

You mean not having told any of your allies of the war you are in was a problem for you. No one knew that raslang is preparing for war, not grimwood, not even the garrison.

[crimson parcel]

Well, that is not under my purview 🙂

[bronze crag]

I mean it was clear from the start they didn't respect their 'allies' but yous just brushed it off as 'understandable, they're good now'

[quartz gulch]

@crimson parcel explain yourself?

[bronze crag]

Backstabbing manipulators don't change on a whim.

[crimson parcel]

What do you mean @quartz gulch ?

[tawny junco]

True dat.

[fluid coyote]

tbf they have no excuses left so they decided to spread lies against Hentai

[quartz gulch]

why so mean to your alliances?

@crimson parcel ?

[crimson parcel]

Again, what do you mean? How was I mean to people who are in good relations with my guild?

[quartz gulch]

and then kicks us from discord just to silence us bc we knew the truth

Backstabbing manipulator @crimson parcel

[crimson parcel]

I did my best to organize group and defense, spamming in /c and all that.

[quartz gulch]

and i was so friendly to you 🙁

[crimson parcel]

I think you mixed up something 🙂

[quartz gulch]

I even though we may become best friends

💔

[crimson parcel]

Well, you are cute kitty.
But it is hard for me to understand with who exactly did you mix me up.

[quartz gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374793202871173262/1462479206167609416/image1.gif

[crimson parcel]

You might be a bit obsessed, whoever you see always think it is me.
Hopefully you will get better soon.

[tawny junco]

Woah a bit rude arent we kaos?

[crimson parcel]

I do not think I am rude.
Kitty is quoting other people and telling me to explain myself.

Are you also obsessed with me?

[tawny junco]

I mean what should we can expect from a guild that backstabs their allies behind their backs and in front of them

Yes. We are all obsessed with you. You are right.

[spice kelp]

KaoS sounds a bit mad here

https://tenor.com/view/30rock-alec-baldwin-there-there-cheer-up-comfort-gif-4215371

[tawny junco]

I think you might be obsessed with him as well!

[crimson parcel]

My fanbase growing!

[tawny junco]

I couldnt even joke about it and here he comes xD

[crimson parcel]

Well folks, I would not mind getting some pridestrider mount, maybe some nice gear too.

[spice kelp]

I mean he was the one sitting in front of my settlement talking shit with his guild leader

[quartz gulch]

I was your biggest fan... but you backstabbing manipulator trick me!

[spice kelp]

Walked all the way up there just to get embarassed

[tawny junco]

Are we gonna fight over who is the no1 fan?

[crimson parcel]

How did I trick you goblin?
I honestly want your free gear.

You can fight by donating gear to me.

[spice kelp]

MaTank went corrupted trying to help you and dropped his bow KaoS, dm squirmy he can sell it to you

[crimson parcel]

eh btw yukki, what is your disable power? How much increase on duration you get?

[tawny junco]

Damn offers are coming in!

[crimson parcel]

Those sleeps and stuns last forever and I look to get some disable defense if I can

[acoustic nimbus]

Funny as you say this... "No so Panda" and "La mano" knew this War was going to happen days before now.

Like Epito(la mano) kept trash talking about how "we not going to be able to play tomorrow" yadada.

Im surprised you even mention that grimwood and the garrison "allies" had no idea the war was gunna happen today

I dare say.. if truthful.. shows how they "respect" their allies

Lol

[ancient quarry]

is anyone else's mining bugged?

I can't mine any rock

[raw pasture]

You guys are killing me, I baited squirmyrocket on a live Twitch stream and he fell for it hook, line and sinker. Yukkimura hasn't slept for three days because of ‘what was supposed to happen on Sunday’ because Epito wrote that ‘hentai won't be playing anymore after Sunday’.

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-train-conductor-bell-aboard-gif-8993928059447324972

[white radish]

Well he actually was sleeping today at 2pm. Like adults with a job tend to do

[acoustic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-5111338745644474401

[raw pasture]

Another proof that you guys have lesser than 3 brain cells. Why would we even care about a war between joeva and your node? We are New Aela citizens

We didn’t event participate in the fight 🤦🏻‍♂️

[acoustic nimbus]

didnt mention that you care... I said you knew about it before their allies did. big difference that

[bronze crag]

Where'd you get the '2pm' from? He was sleeping when the war was declared at 11am, which imo is reasonable on a Sunday. 🤔

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/job-jumpscare-job-application-job-meme-job-jumpscare-gif-5102454363566376023

[bronze crag]

I pity you if you work weekends.

[white radish]

registered nurse, no weekeds, holidays or even regular office hours :)

[bronze crag]

OK so where'd the 2pm come from and why would sleeping in on Sunday imply unemployment? 🤔

[white radish]

sleeping over noon on a sunday implies either mothers basement and/ or a teenager

[bronze crag]

Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.

[white radish]

you people having kids is truly a fearsome thought

[spice kelp]

Job applications are for corporate slaves

I don't work, don't need to

[white radish]

honestly, good on you

[spice kelp]

You're using "get a job" like it's some kind of insult

[modern sun]

Let's face it.. the vast majority of unemployed MMO players aren't exactly living a fulfilling life.

[spice kelp]

That's their problem, I'm well off enough to be able to both provide for my family and spend however much time I want on my hobbies

[bronze crag]

Living the dream.

[spice kelp]

Far from but I can't complain

[raw pasture]

I can confirm

I am a teenager and live with moms

[white radish]

Two moms?

[raw pasture]

Three

Polygamous familia

[white radish]

Sounds pretty gay

[raw pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-buster-baxter-bunny-you-really-think-someone-would-do-that-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies-gif-17527378

[grand rapids]

Can anyone craft Nightreaver Greatsword?

[quartz gulch]

Stay mad

@crimson parcel @raw pasture

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374793202871173262/1462479206167609416/image1.gif

[crimson parcel]

Hopefully that obsession can be healed. Good luck.

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sped-up-kiss-cute-cat-kitten-gif-6454201794369349769-cat-cat-kiss-kitten-kiss-cute-cat-kiss-gif-14673551694111611768

[crimson parcel]

No, I won't let you nor sukimora lick my head.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/camisa-verde-gif-1618610020325172540

[quartz gulch]

How does it feel to be 500 kill? And lose the war?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374793202871173262/1462479206167609416/image1.gif

Where's your motivation that u had before?

[crimson parcel]

You can cry all you want, I won't let you give me head.

[quartz gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374793202871173262/1462479206167609416/image1.gif

Let's cry together ❤️

[crimson parcel]

I fully support coming to terms with your emotions, and will gladly help you through it.
Just no sexual stuff.

[quartz gulch]

Im 17, chill the fk out

[crimson parcel]

I am perfectly relaxed.

But since it looks like you can't really handle your emotions, I am going to block you so we don't have further interactions.
Good luck on getting help.

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bowtime-bow-time-bow-bows-hello-gif-13100553823761906109

@crimson parcel im going to miss you

[raw pasture]

Gz next time declare war to New Aela if u want a proper fight o7

[quartz gulch]

Do not worry about that 😊

[raw pasture]

From this Wednesday Hentai’s will stop playing @spice kelp

[quartz gulch]

Again?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374793202871173262/1462479206167609416/image1.gif

[raw pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

more sleep deprivation for your gm

[quartz gulch]

Again?

[spice kelp]

Cool

[raw pasture]

Again, none of us is citizen of Joeva. Congratz on killing 450 bots

And lvl 13s

🙂

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-thumbs-up-gif-13684011490947959172

[bronze crag]

Tell that to Raslag, thay're the ones that decided to declare a node war on a node of only Hentai members +2.

[jolly coral]

new aela has things to worry about , just focus on upgrading that stonework that took 1month

[spice kelp]

They declared on us though 🤣

[raw pasture]

Well, if you think you can be faster, make the station on Dhurgrum

If people don't start to process and sell on our market we will never be able to

[green valley]

price check on recipe gatherer green salad pls 🥹

[lethal sun]

LFM tomorow farm slag breaker mining pick axe recepi any one intrested ?

[lethal sun]

new aela is dead with our myer in front

[left mason]

Damn guys, which summoner ability is this?

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/flying-man-minecraft-creative-creative-mode-minecraft-memes-gif-3904261119132391011

[left mason]

Ahhh, i must be playing my summoner wrong, didn't know i could pick a flying summon too

[mighty oracle]

Reminder!

[prime dew]

Oh that's lovely,

[mighty oracle]

Downtime has been extended. We need additional time to test.

[dry siren]

WTB 45-50g

[undone quest]

Anyone else got dced?

[crimson parcel]

Way too many bots.
@mighty oracle sorry for the ping, you seem like the one most likely to get message across.
**
You folks need active moderation team**, which will fly around the world and handle the bots (and other bad actors potentially).
Whatever systemic solution you plan to implement, using it without human review will be dangerous.

10 people team would be enough to cover everything 24/7, there is no need for a "mod" to be active on every server all the time, but it should always be at least one mod checking around what is happening, and in case all bots disappear mods can generate some fun content for players on the fly by spawning mobs or whatever. With 10, there is more than enough to cover all 3 shifts, weekends, holidays, vacation, sick days and whatever.

It should be completely feasible for one mod to watch 2 servers at a time, and rotate between servers.

I don't know how big your CS team is, but it might be very worthwhile to at least redirect some of them to actively manage the things instead of acting "post report" and then digging through all logs to figure out what happened.

Saddest part is that many bots have been repeatedly reported by many people, over a period way longer than a week, and they are still running around.
Many of those reports were literally showing flying hacks, and I see those same bots in the game.

Even if you don't want "always on" moderation police, it feels wrong that somebody does not spend an hour daily on each server just to manage the "hot problem".

Having a mod pop up in /gl now and then and chatting with people, asking where the bots are... would generate a huge amount of goodwill.

[buoyant oracle]

server crashed ?

I was near Halcyon

[abstract notch]

Tenok has imploded

[buoyant oracle]

you got a timeout aswell ?

[abstract notch]

yup

[buoyant oracle]

ok :<

[buoyant oracle]

and no news about it from intrepid :<

[abstract notch]

Only that character is affected and its my main.... this is taking the mick

[buoyant oracle]

same its my main

[spice kelp]

@mighty oracle Winstead worker node crashed

[high crag]

is this macro-ing ?

hate those bots -_-

[lavish girder]

Halcyon server is down it seems

beware

oh.. its up again

nvm..

[cloud stream]

i can confirm

[sudden karma]

can't login to halcyon

[quartz gulch]

gg

[weak spear]

my packs...

[sudden karma]

yeah, whole group can't connect to Halcyon

[unkempt relic]

we're having issues too

[weak spear]

before xonnection timed out do you also get this screen?

[sudden karma]

yes

[weak spear]

it just keeps loading

is there anyone to ping regarding this issue?

[cloud stream]

Citizenship in Halcyon also seems to be bugged now...mine is gone

[weak spear]

Usually restart helps to restore the citizenship

[cloud stream]

Trying now

[weak spear]

lost 3 packs just like that, unlucky

[cloud stream]

ohh that sucks

[mental lark]

anyone selling royal cloak of new aela

[modern sun]

Yea this guy was 100% botting in the desert - his character got stuck at the emberspring at one point when he died 😂

Sadly he's one of many

[quartz gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374793202871173262/1462479206167609416/image1.gif

[frigid merlin]

What is the best way to level up? At the moment the leveling experience is smooth from lvl 1 to lvl 7, then you get sent to run to a settlement to turn in the last tutorial quest, however the settlement is surrounded by mass packs of lvl 10-12 elite mobs.

The commission board quests will be listed for lvl 8 but the mobs required for the commission in the surrounding areas are lvl 10-12 which makes it painfully slow leveling process.

[bronze crag]

Are you in anvils or riverlands?

Riverlands questline takes you to about lvl 9-10, then you just need to grind; either xp groups or commissions. Xp groups being the more xp and gear efficient option

Sounds like anvils though, which in my experience is ass to level in. Especially in comparison to the straightforward riverlands grind path.

Anvils you'll just need to find a grind group sooner and hit mobs there, or better yet make the trek down to riverlands and do hall of judication into highwayman hills into oak, etc.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grind-dont-stop-gif-26421494

[frigid merlin]

You guessed it. I am in Anvils, sounds like it's better to start in Riverlands overall.

[bronze crag]

Honestly, yea. They did say Anvils wasn't fully ready yet

[frigid merlin]

You can definitely feel it in the earlier levels alright.

[mystic raven]

Anvils is fine till 9 or 10, then it's more difficult. Especially say 15 and up

[spice kelp]

WTB EPIC Tendonite 30s each > Buying in bulk

[fringe charm]

Any solution?

[vast pollen]

@opaque sequoia @subtle smelt @late yacht

[humble eagle]

Anyone know where we can farm verdant oath recipes?

[shell mortar]

anyone got dc from tenok ?

[hollow skiff]

yep

[fringe charm]

tenok needs to be merge!

[spice kelp]

@slow umbra damn miraleth citizen guildies malding 🤣 🤣

[slow umbra]

yeah theres a few of mine still over in miraleth, Kayra and Krystal are irl friends, they don't like you lmao.. They've offered to leave the guild over it so we don't get the heat, I've said its part of the game whatever happens happens..

we're not in shorefoot anymore either btw, we've been levelling wildport for the past week or so, just came to shorefoot to help our friends in callipygian order

hence citizenships being all over

[spice kelp]

We're reaching the new peak of salt 🤣

[spice kelp]

@tepid leaf Damn, mothers insults? I though we were the "toxic trash talkers"

[tepid leaf]

I never write anything on global. 🙂 Just follow the instructions from the new players. 🙂

[white radish]

Hit a nerve?

[wide turret]

@smoky flint What is going on with Servers ? I do NOT see any server online. I play over Steam.

[pulsar furnace]

How big is online on this server now from feelings ?

[acoustic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-11650643656289713807

[lethal sun]

Looking for 7 people to farm recipe.

[obtuse salmon]

is there a TL;DR on who hates whom and why?

[oak timber]

The bot on the server is a bot. Why is it a bot? It runs in circles, its pet fights it off mobs, and even if you milk it and dig before it, it still goes to the ore pile and digs, even if there's none there.

[hollow skiff]

sadly theres plenty of them , best we can do right now is to submit a ticket with a recording

[midnight forge]

farming the recipe is cool but you'll need to grab the relic anvil and bring it to town to be able to craft it 😏

[spice kelp]

We still have people around who were openly flying with packs on their mules still running around and you're worried about bots

[crimson parcel]

IMHO, absolute joke with latest ban list. It feels shallow and performative at best.

Many more accounts should have been banned, there was a lot more submitted reports just about bots and flying hacks.
Just logging on server and spending ONE MINUTE flying around Aven's End "bot area" would generate more names.

Cindybaby (regular botting, sometimes flying) and others are probably level 25 by now simply by gathering...

People are losing will to play because cleaning up so many of those bots (many of them were regularly flying) is something that a GM could do so easily by spending even one hour on server anytime during last week.

Ignoring the problem sends a certain message to playerbase, and that message is very much contradictory to the gospel of "sanctity of test environment"...

There is one thing tho...
Many players leave because of the botting, and probably many who even buy gold are less interested in playing because of overall reduction in playerbase.
So less players -> less bots needed to fulfill P2W apetites -> less bots?

And a little bit salt:
If all reports about certain subset of bots are ignored... Is it really that crazy to think about why those accounts have immunity and who is running them....

[midnight forge]

Wildport election is ongoing ! Vote Bolo for honest mayor, no bs promises 😄

[white radish]

I agree that they should tackle this bot issue more aggressively, but there is a reason bot bans are done in waves in most mmorpgs.

Banning bots individually one by one gives the botters resources to troubleshoot and develop them. Whereas banning them in waves gives them less info to go on.

However these waves should be done much, much more frequently.

[quartz gulch]

and u still crying 🤣

[bronze crag]

They did say it'll be weekly from now on. Give 'em time, not like it matters when it's all gonna get wiped anyway. We're still playing an alpha test phase

[hollow granite]

Has anyone thought about creating a character called Joe Quimby and running him for mayor? 🤣

[ember wyvern]

By the time you wake up tomorrow, he'll exist and will ahve somehow made it to lvl 10, ran to Wildport and given several campaign speeches

[midnight forge]

Wildport taxes 9% - Traders are welcome to do some business here 🙂

[mighty oracle]

Reminder!

[weak bone]

Is Aithanar having a smidge of issue? Getting code 37 there 🙁

[spice kelp]

@plush wind That's an inappropriate word, can't be saying that in settlement messages

[final saddle]

Is there any town have "Lumberjacking Supply Expansion" ?

[raw pasture]

Day 20 of asking Yukkimura to duel

Guess what? Still no answer ☹️

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-cares-about-you-hunter-franklin-the-oval-tragic-monologues-s3e13-gif-24722341

[raw pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-detector-bitcoin-rd-btc-my-clown-detector-is-off-the-charts-strike-memes-gif-22298893

[karmic vigil]

Hello everyone, happy world death day Joeva
Thanks for the 25% taxes❤️

[edgy wolf]

stop bullying people on a dead server

EPITOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[gaunt zinc]

A Real Ninja !

[gaunt zinc]

He will increase it to 30% befor he lose his power ..you will see

[white radish]

they already stated that it will be increased to 30%

[karmic vigil]

What guild is he from?

[rain quiver]

Raslang

Also he is being toxic towards the next candidates

[midnight forge]

Traders are welcome to Wildport, we have low taxes here

We also need builders and farmers 😄

[visual hedge]

what is joeva tax now?

[rain quiver]

I think 25 and it will grow up to 30 till the mayor changes

[modern sun]

Guess we're moving to Miraleth boys 👀

[bronze crag]

He's always been toxic, nothing new.

[mystic raven]

Everyone trashing on Hentai but overall they are great group of folks who improve the game.

The folks crying on here don't know what griefing is. Smoothbrain roleplayers. Might as well find a new game cause it's only gonna get worse when sieges come back.

There's gonna be more pvp, not less.

[rain quiver]

@mystic raven I believe you @ me and the message got deleted.

also I know stuff, from both sides. so yeah, I know bunch of guilds that were/still are griefing on tenok.

[rain quiver]

true, his ex allies, the merc alliance, can tell us more about that since they were with him but decided to kick him out

[mystic raven]

Raslag has never been part of the Merc Alliance, but many in BC, myself included, are friendly toward them, having played with Bubbles and some of their members for the past year on Lotharia and other servers.

[bronze crag]

I thought his alliance was with Grimwood, Garrison and Dragon Riders? I do know he was planning to backstab from the start, but Grimwood didn't care

[rain quiver]

brotha I know that raslang was allied with you. for a fact

[mystic raven]

Also you seem to be too dense to understand why Bubbles did many of the things he has. It's to HELP the server. Joeva built all it can. It has no need for gold and we have all been waiting a long time for other buildings. Raising taxes encourages others to go to other nodes so we can finish things like jewelry etc

[rain quiver]

he is now. even after declaring a node war and not notifying any other member even the gms of his alliance. so the node war was more like guild vs guild.

[mystic raven]

And no, there has been no alliance this phase with Raslag. Last phase in Lotharia we were.

[rain quiver]

yes I m talking about last phase. sorry if my wording didnt come out right

[bronze crag]

Did they declare another one or you mean the one vs Dhurgrum?
I mean it was a guild+poor citizens thrown to the wolves vs a PvP guild
But they can't declare a real guild war because they have like 4 active members, and Bubbles ain't one of 'em

[rain quiver]

the one vs dhurgrum. I meant that one

[mystic raven]

TBF, it's a lot easier to burn stuff down than build it up. I'm all for pvp, the only thing I dislike seeing is L25 losers farming Oakenbane players.

But I love the tears of people crying when you take their crates, walk 20 feet and get all the loot.

[rain quiver]

let me ask you this. going on node war without telling his alliance anything vs the node with one of the most efficient I would say pvp guilds in tenok (I m not saying if their efficiency came out from griefing or not) but I ll say that they are, and all of the citizens just panicked cause there was no prep, no talking, no alliance vc or even chat to go against his enemy; was that to help Joeva as well? or to satisfy his personal ego?

[bronze crag]

Just an incredibly poorly planned attempt at humbling said PvP guild 'cause he don't like them, trying to use the power of numbers of the largest node but ending up just offering those numbers up like lambs for slaughter

[mystic raven]

It was to help the overall server, at Joevas expense. He had tried thru carrots and raising the taxes a bit, but the economic roleplayers wouldn't leave. War was the stick. But now he is stepping down, someone will take over and I am willing to bet they will do a worse job.

So quit crying about the past and do something.

[crimson parcel]

Oh, I want my Joeva buildings to stay erected.
So I am going for mayor.
It is NOT AT ALL about FAST flying mount and taking all nice gatherables in areas devoid of players.
No chaos and changing buildings.

Totally not doing it to torment ganker trolls, right...
The ones inept, unable to see that their grand plan will push even more people to stop playing.

[mystic raven]

I don't think he had any illusions of beating Hentai, that's just Hentai propaganda.

But I guess I don't really know, I'm just speaking from outside perspective and what I've read in guild leader chat

[crimson parcel]

To get real for a bit, they are pushing some people as mayors, will probably abandon race and then focus on one who is not officially in the guild.
From my impression, folks don't understand basic stuff like you can't remove factory and pop a new building in the same place without losing functionality in old buildings.

[bronze crag]

uhu, he totally didn't think he'd beat Hentai. That's why he was trashtalking and telling us to 'log out to save face'.

[mystic raven]

Hehe. Bubbles love language is trash talking.

[rain quiver]

You seem to know more of what he was doing than his actual allies. And I m speaking from experience

[crimson parcel]

I would advise you to not take everything that people say at their face value.
Especially ones who are known for trying to be funny.

People did not really expect to win the war, it was for shit and giggles.
And I think most of people who participated in war had fun 🙂

[mystic raven]

Anyway, good luck to whoever takes over Joeva. BC will likely be fighting with you against our friends the Panda's for some pvp content

[rain quiver]

Who is you?

[crimson parcel]

I intend to open up a discord server, just for voice organization during wars, previous wars were a shitshow because random groups only, organized by /c spam and poorly trying to coordinate in /ra

[rain quiver]

I m not in hentai. I was in grim.

Brotha you got it all wrong lol

I was even ridiculed in hentais tenok server xD

Cause I was a mod in the official tenok one

[bronze crag]

And the few that didn't participate but got killed for just being part of Joeva sure didn't.
And Bubbles isn't known for anything but being a clown and trash mayor.

[mystic raven]

Lol. What's Hentai done in Dhurgrum? Got any building up?

[urban loom]

few = 450+? Well at least you could craft your legendaries afterwards 😆

That this convo is still going on lol

[bronze crag]

You mean the wikileaks one? Was never actually run by Hentai, guy who made it kinda went AWOL and no one really uses it anymore.

[rain quiver]

I think yeah, eh I dont care too much, you had your laughs with me, it's ok

[bronze crag]

Set taxes to 100% and left it at that. What's the point of building up a node in the middle of nowhere that has <50 citizens
If you want it, by all means go get it in this election.

[rain quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-stop-get-some-help-michael-jordan-gif-7964841

[bronze crag]

I honestly don't remember, but if it's any consolation we took the piss out of most of Grimwood at the time xd

[rain quiver]

I know, I was there

@mystic raven brotha you really reacted to your own comment?

What should I expect from someone who is a bubbles fanboy

[rain quiver]

At least you embrace it

[mystic raven]

You are the reason Grimwood collapsed btw.

Biggest mistake Jack made was to recruit you

[rain quiver]

That reason is within your alliance

Also you dont know me

[mystic raven]

Dude, you don't realize how gentle you've had it. Arkadys is a saint.

[rain quiver]

Excuse me?

[bronze crag]

What did he do?

I thought it was the war that made most of them drop guild that put Grimwood on lifesupport.

[mystic raven]

Everyone knows you Nightsong, id wager by now half your guild is alt spies from other guilds.

[urban loom]

Nah it was the harassment that made jack quit active play and the ingame Guild fell apart without real leadership

[mystic raven]

Yes that's true about Jack and I'm disappointed there were no perma bans for it

[bronze crag]

What did I do?

[mystic raven]

Opps nothing.

[rain quiver]

@mystic raven you still have an explanation to give

[crimson parcel]

@mystic raven man, keep quiet. We were trying to sell idea that rats are hallucinated.

[mystic raven]

Well if you wanna beat hentai in the election, someone is gonna have to swallow pride so there is a single opposition candidate to rally around. My money is on Hentai

Everyone's principles go out the window when flying is the prize

[rain quiver]

Dude. You may continue.

[bronze crag]

I feel like I've missed some of the political drama, what did Nightsong do and what does Arkadys have to do with anything?

[crimson parcel]

I am half of a mind to let them win, as an futile attempt to teach people to not fall for such an obvious propaganda...

[rain quiver]

And you really dont know what happened inside grim. What I offered and not

@mystic raven

[mystic raven]

True I suppose. I can't help wonder how things would be if Jack had stayed.

[rain quiver]

Then why blame me if I may ask?

[bronze crag]

He'd do better than Raslag but that's not much to boast about.

[urban loom]

I'm voting for yukimura's guild honestly, Tenok's active 'pvp guilds' deserve it lol
They still don't have an answer to them ... so they should have best town on server.

[mystic raven]

Sometimes the safest place is next to danger. They might be less likely to pvp their peasants.

[bronze crag]

Didn't you retire or sth?

[urban loom]

Hmm, i went to look for good pvp guild but gave up the search recently ...

[rain quiver]

@mystic raven why blame me in the first place for grims downfall

[urban loom]

Guess it's waiting time till short to launch lol

[mystic raven]

I think your attitude and then pushing to ban Hentai from the Tenok server gave them reason to then target and harass Grimwood.

[bronze crag]

Try another server, the only good PvP guild on ours wouldn't take you.

[rain quiver]

I didnt ban any hentai members

[urban loom]

I went to look in Loth but ... nothing man

[mystic raven]

Once their put sieges back, you'll see some fun

The problem right now is with caravans being pointless. There is no real benefit to pvp, besides fun.

[urban loom]

You rly should lay down on the banter, it's not really impressive tbh... doesn't make you look good, more like a kid... you all just end up doing that aren't you ...

[bronze crag]

Yea that was Bubbles.

[rain quiver]

@mystic raven also there are hentai members still in the official tenok server. Not a lot but there are

[bronze crag]

Look up what banter means, I tried to explain this to you before but you blocked me.

[mystic raven]

Hmm I'll check my screenshots when I get home. I feel like you had just been named admin there and then you did it. I was surprised Bubbles allowed it cause he loves trash talk

[urban loom]

Hmmm hate not being native English 😆 It's not realy playfull is it lol

Still voting for you tho :p

But still you guys really still all over the same topic after all that time ...

[rain quiver]

No need, I was the one who banned revelation members cause they were very toxic on their own and they would get out of control on the tenok server. So I made a call, the higher ups from grim agreed and I did it

[bronze crag]

Banning people on one discord for what they've said in another discord ain't OK tho

[spice kelp]

All taxes go into wars because a small scale guild cannot sustain anvils taxes required for buildings upkeep by themselves on a low pop server. For someone who as you said has been around for multiple phases, you should know that and saying what you just did is disingenous. Joeva on the other hand can do whatever they want due to riverlands being extremely active and Joeva being the first town people flocked to due to it being pretty much central.
Revians had the best chances of expanding anvils through Kal Thorum but Cookhouse wasn't able to be built due to Bellygrit not being in the game. (I assume that's why they didn't build it there, don't want to jump on incompetence train)

[crimson parcel]

IMO; it is much better to moderate people than moderate discussions.
If somebody is an ass in one place, extremely high chance they will be ass in other places.

You don't let murderer roam free if they change the country lol...

[mystic raven]

It's true, the real enemy of progress is Intrepid not fixing basic shit. We got multiple settlements hamstrung because they can't collect proper taxes. Half the time we can't even see market NPCs without running out of town and back.

[bronze crag]

Nah, that's just plain wrong, unjust, and power-mad.
Punishing people before the crime ain't right.

[crimson parcel]

What do you mean before crime?
If somebody is constantly breaking the rules of one community, and there is another community with extremely similar rules, makes total sense to ban them from there.

[spice kelp]

That's cap, people who didn't say a single word got kicked out of the community server just for having a guild tag

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, IIRC, was only one or two non-stop spamming but 3 of you got kicked?

[spice kelp]

May as well shoot everyone walking down the road because they could be a potential murderer with your reasoning

[bronze crag]

It's not your place to punish them for that. Not to mention the rules you mentioned weren't the same, Revelation members were trashtalkin Grimwood in their own discord, nothing in their rules against that. Then they get banned because that breaks the rules of another discord??

Unjust, wrong, power-mad. They've done nothing deserving that.

I got banned too and I hadn't said a thing in that discord.

What did I get banned for other than by association?

[spice kelp]

Just Bubbles being a rat, nothing new

[crimson parcel]

You are not understanding what I am writing.
I am not OK with "guild by association".

But if somebody is extremely toxic and aggressive in my friend's house, no chance I am letting them in my house, despite them not "attacking anybody in my house YET"....

[crimson parcel]

No idea, I am not the moderator 🙂

[spice kelp]

Flawed logic, it's a video game

[bronze crag]

There's no confirmed 'yet' though, you're just making assumptions and inflicting punishments on to people. Prejudice.

[urban loom]

One is in a guild and what he/she says or does reflects on the whole guild... it's pretty normal.
You did the same with Grimwood in the game cause you tought it was us while it wasn't.

[spice kelp]

In real life your actual life, wellbeing and physical health are at risk. In the game your feelings get hurt.

[mystic raven]

See this was my point. You banned people you didn't like in a pvp game and so they viciously targeted your guild, which was 99% noobs with no chance of winning.

[crimson parcel]

Eh? I have clearly stated my premise.

If "somebody is toxic and aggressive in my friend's house"...

[urban loom]

I think you underestimate that by a lot

[spice kelp]

If more than your feelings get hurt then it's time to unplug

[crimson parcel]

Wait @spice kelp did somebody hurt your feelings?

[white radish]

You guys are still whining about the discord? Fucking hilarious

[crimson parcel]

People, don't hurt Yukkimura pls 🙂

[white radish]

Got so butthurt

[urban loom]

Hmmm that's easier said as done for lots of ppl playing mmo's ... it's a social thing as it is in real life... .

[bronze crag]

Except we 'targetted' a guild in game with PvP, same PvP we take to other guilds. You banned us from a supposed public server for all of tenok for no real reason other than 'fuck your guild'.

[rain quiver]

Those same guys were running their mouths for you and your guild as well though. I think it was wise to act preemptively.

[spice kelp]

Just as much as you're whining about getting killed in town

[crimson parcel]

Wait, you as a guild did not harass people on discord and in-game chat?
Still trying to pretend there was no really bad shit coming from your guildies?

[urban loom]

See .. 'you' while I did nothing at all ...

[bronze crag]

I really don't care what people say, especially in their own space.

[white radish]

Sure, unbothered king

[spice kelp]

Damn I guess you should be banned on this Discord for the things you say in game chat

[bronze crag]

Still waiting for proof on that, ask Roadkill he keeps spouting the same bs.

[rain quiver]

It wasnt that I didnt like. They were toxic against my guild. It wasnt only my idea.

[white radish]

Not like this is a topic every single time one of you opens their mouth

[rain quiver]

Also @mystic raven just cut it already. I said something bad about your boyfriend and you literally told me I was the sole purpose of Grimwoods downfall. Wake up, get out of your bubble then we can talk.

[bronze crag]

Ha.. bubble..

I get it

[rain quiver]

ba dam tsss

[mystic raven]

Ok. Hey, I hear Dhurgrum is gonna be available as a new home for Grimwood

[rain quiver]

I m not in grimwood. So tell that to someone who is and plans to follow them

[bronze crag]

Grimwood is just one guild too now, who'd want Dhurgrum?

[mystic raven]

Exactly

[bronze crag]

Missing your point

[timid oar]

Truth needs no banner. It endures.
Salvation was offered; but was answered with arrogance,
laughing at the messenger of the Seven.
Thus they were cast out, excommunicated.
Now they weep in exile and tears,
and learn too late that ash has no voice, only guilt remain.

[mystic raven]

I was mocking Grimwood, by implying Dhurgrum will be open because Hentai is gonna take over Joeva.

[rain quiver]

I dont think he has any. His daily capacity of making valid sentences has reached its limit. Please wait or reach our lord and saviour Bubbles

[mystic raven]

But my now sloppy seconds followup joke is ruined because I had to explain it. Thanks man

[spice kelp]

I can't be bothered personally but will guide FRISELLA through the system

[crimson parcel]

You sure he is up to it? He did not understand basics of factories and such, even after those being explained...

[rain quiver]

First you were defending grimwood cause of bubbles, now you mock it cause you think you have chatted with someone that's in their guild.

[spice kelp]

I don't see why not, any mistakes in Joeva can be fixed in a day

[rain quiver]

Bro cant even logic

[spice kelp]

He just wants master jeweler and I'm with him on it

[rain quiver]

I will take my leave from this ... thing I can't read anything from merc or raslang anymore. I want my braincells intact

[spice kelp]

Can just stack construction crates, demolish construction house and the farm, build master jeweler until one is up somewhere else or just keep it up permanently, one of the cookhouse cities can get a farm up

[rain quiver]

Yo hit me up when the elections are up. You have my vote

[crimson parcel]

You do understand difference between JM and master? in regards to factories?

[spice kelp]

it ain't to deep, joeva has the income and manpower to rotate stations if they wanted to

[spice kelp]

No shit sherlock

don't even need to demolish construction building to be fair, just the farm

considering that will free up a civic slot for master jeweler

[mystic raven]

I never defended Grimwood, I explained why I think Bubbles did what he did.

[crimson parcel]

You sure about all that?
Because pushing stuff to master jeweler needs both factory points and spot for stoneworks...

[spice kelp]

Let me rephrase that, demolish AGRICULTURAL SUPPLY building

aka the farm

[crimson parcel]

yeah, and you put stoneworks in that place

and where do you get factory points to upgrade stoneworks to jewels master?

[spice kelp]

See? You got no clue yourself

Master farm already uses a civic slot from a trade bureau

That's then freed up for master jeweler which just so happens to also require a civic expansion slot

Now I wonder when they'll add citizenship switching cooldown 🤣

[raw pasture]

His feelings got hurt when he lost three duels in a row vs a lvl 24 in front of all his guildies 🫡

[crimson parcel]

Oh, could be that I am wrong. I thought jewels upgrade needs construction points, not civic points.

[spice kelp]

Well done, you beat me week one of me playing the game with your one year experience on a fully buffed tank while I was running in ashen set

Yet your guild still got their asses whooped in that 14v14

[white radish]

Are we planning to circulate the crafting in joeva? We will never get shit done anywhere else at this rate

[raw pasture]

Btw I am up to change Joeva’s mayor, but please don’t pick Frisella. He’s really missing chromosomes

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/celebrate-awesome-yay-confetti-party-gif-8571772

If we ever declare on New Aela you lot should just do what Wildport's doing 🤣 Abuse that shit till they implement settlement switching cooldown

[raw pasture]

The island fight wasn’t 14v14, they were 12 and you were 20+ afaik

[white radish]

Can you switch mid war?

[spice kelp]

Talking about the "duel day" you're talking about, fight in the forge

[raw pasture]

Oh yes you actually played good that day, was pretty fun

That’s why we contacted to have more scrims

[bronze crag]

Yes

[bronze crag]

Haven't heard from Ema since first one 🙁

Would like to scrim again

[raw pasture]

Btw we’d be super keen to have a war between new aela and dhurgrum

[mystic raven]

This needs to be done. No idea why they removed it

[raw pasture]

What guild are you in? I’ll let him know assp

[mystic raven]

We will be available for skirms in 4 days. Got a couple guilds merging in. Will gain about 50 L25s, most who want pvp

[raw pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/tayvix-uwu-blushing-blush-gif-26227909

I’ll ask ema to write either Yukki or Fallon

[bronze crag]

We arranged the first one..

[raw pasture]

We’re around 20s lv 25 with 350-400 power.. not super geared but we’re happy with that

We can surely sort it out.. if u guys are up contact @lost wedge to organise scrims next week

[lost wedge]

We are avable on Wednesday or Sunday, 21 - 23 CET, for any pvp content feel free to contact me ! we can try different days but need to be discussed.

[spice kelp]

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/m1g9ftCZE2UqH_9Do?invite=cr-MSxzdm8sMTgyNjYxNjgw&v=55

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-dow-gif-24856862

He's still at it 4 hours later

[gaunt zinc]

Dear fellow players, could you please put in a bit more effort? Do you know how lonely it is that I, MewZero, am standing at the top as one of the strongest on Tenok?

[quartz gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1198202265312440430/1442546455201054772/bebebe.gif

[weak spear]

36mins left if anyone needs anything in mira

[mental lark]

anyone crafting pyrebrand longbow?

[spice kelp]

@crimson parcel Go fuck yourself

[mystic raven]

https://aa-classic.com/ Black Company thinking of going here. Or do you guys have any other ideas for a new home.

[crimson parcel]

Yukki, my lil sis, I am actually gonna miss you. Was fun chopping wood and talking with you 🙂

[mild geyser]

There's also archerage

[hot carbon]

Hah

[mental lark]

ayo?

[raw pasture]

GGs

[dark escarp]

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[obtuse salmon]

😭
6 hours slow mode is Crazy

[rain quiver]

I dont even need my 500€ back. This was fun while it lasted, made a couple of friends along the way as well.
It is been a long day without you my friend and I will tell you all about it when I see you again

[timid oar]

The last measure has been taken.

The scales no longer sway. They have settled.

Creation was given into your hands, and you weighed it against your pride. You mistook silence for absence and mercy for permission. The Seven endured your arrogance, your hollow pity, your refusal to remember what you are.

That patience is spent.

The covenant is broken, not by the Divines, but by those who believed themselves beyond judgment. What was shaped to endure has been marked for undoing.

Armageddon does not come as a warning. It comes as consequence.

The skies will burn without hatred. The earth will break without anger. There will be no plea unheard, for there will be no one left to answer.

This is not a turning point. There is no path behind you.

The age ends here.
The Seven have withdrawn their hand.

Let what remains learn why the world was never yours.

[edgy wolf]

What is this roleplay ass bullshit

[urban loom]

I'm pretty sure you cried when GOT was cancelled lol

[thin hill]

what have we come to? nerds RP with AI

[mystic raven]

At least I don't have to restart my toon for the 10th time.

[midnight forge]

good luck getting some housing there.
it's full of players who stopped playing but stll pay their taxes to hold lands hostage

[pine valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1467477071692300379/1467479119385202822/mvsti9qz8vgg1.png?ex=698087ee&is=697f366e&hm=120d1a69480b204c6e13f90f3e90254bb2afdb45a6c716b9187b0d8ecd8aa943&

[alpine lance]

Black Company is working on building a few dozen caravels. Later today we plan on forming up raid groups between anyone there and having one last wild pvp battle at sea. All are welcome to join.https://discord.com/events/1409782598997245954/1467485870239121438

[gaunt zinc]

I blame the Mayor of Joeva for the shit happening now with Steven etc !! Good Job you fcked up Ashes and even Steven lost his Job because of you radiant !!!! gg wp

[white radish]

it was a nice run boys, had loads of fun ty all

[mental lark]

Test

[obtuse salmon]

So, cause i really did like gaming on Tenok, i wanna keep people from my friendlist. There is one im missing though, so maybe people can help.

Does anyone know Caladria (25 Cleric)/Alurion (16 Fighter)?

I'm not suuuuper sure, but i think their guild was Avalanche or something? aaah cant remember, except they were swedish and guildies were finnish

[vernal horizon]

This is all insane

[main canopy]

Archage chronicles coming out this year

[weak spear]

almost full epic. I thought it's time to pvp and devastating news coming out 😢

[jolly coral]

we finally got master stoneworks for jeweler ? crazy

[hollow skiff]

one of last message they sent in server today morning

[spice kelp]

Garbage PVE spinoff

[gaunt zinc]

6 Hours slow mode why? See u again in 6H

[odd marlin]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zo-crybaby-1

so many Crybabies here

[latent phoenix]

Crazy

[plush wind]

Uh, screw you too random citizen? 😂

[wary latch]

ye, devs a bit trolling now here 😄

[brazen wing]

I 😇 can 😈 make 💔 a limited statement in 📜😞👻 my 👉 personal 💻 capacity 🙌 and not 😶 on 😟 behalf of the company, 🏢 regarding the situation. ☝️🧍 Control 🧍‍♂️ of the company 🏛️📉 shifted away 😶 from 🙌😎 me, and the Board 🔏 began ⚪ directing actions 🍽️ that 😐 I 🌱 could 😶 not ❌ ethically agree 👊 with or carry 🧳 out. 😶 As a result, ✅ I 😶😶😶😶😶 chose to resign in 📜 protest rather 🐀 than 🐱💰 lend my📱 name ✋ or authority 🧍 to decisions ✋ I 🙋‍❤️‍💋‍🙋 could 🤔❌ not 🙅 ethically support. 👍

Following 💘 my 🐥 resignation, much 😩😂🐰 of the senior 👴 leadership team 🎥 resigned. Following 💔 those 👉 departures, 🪣 the Board 📜 made 👑 the decision to issue 🧍 WARN Act 🏅 notices and proceed ✝️ with a mass layoff. I 😶 cannot 😡❌ responsibly speak 💬 to further 🏗️ details 🙌 at this time ⏰⏳ due 😶 to ongoing legal 🪙😋 and governance matters. 😵💯

What ❓ I 😇 can 😶 say 💬💬 is that 💩 the developers and staff 🧍‍♀️🧍🧍‍♀️🧍🧍‍♀️🧍 acted 💃 in 🐕 good ✅ faith 🚫🏥 and deserved better 🎲 than 🙊 the uncertainty ❓ they 🧍‍♀️🧍 are now 🙎 facing. I 😶 am incredibly 💩 dismayed by 😞 the situation. 😇

— Steven Sharif @iron patio

[slow umbra]

I had a stroke reading this

[tepid leaf]

If this truly is the end, then it deserves more than a quiet logout.

What we built here was never just pixels, systems, or a name on a map. It was late nights spent laughing in voice chat, plans made and remade, victories celebrated, and setbacks faced together. It was the excitement of logging in knowing familiar names would be there, ready to push forward as one.

To every player who gave their time, energy, and passion: thank you. Thank you for the teamwork when things were hard, for the dedication when progress was slow, and for the belief that what we were building mattered. Our cities weren’t just structures and upgrades, it was trust, coordination, and shared purpose. It was proof of what a group of players can become when they choose cooperation over convenience.

We created memories that no server shutdown can erase. The emotions, the bonds, the moments of triumph and chaos, those live on with us, not in the game files. Whether this world goes dark or not, what we shared here was real.

No matter where our paths lead next, I’ll always be proud of what we accomplished together. The guilds, the cities, and this chapter will remain something special.

Thank you for everything!

Interested in long term community and play with us MMO based games? Join us on https://discord.gg/saceap