alpha-two-tenok-eu

[bronze crag]

So... what horrible consequences of his attacking you did you suffer to be this butthurt?

[elder belfry]

Think you flipped the script my good man, I called you trolls. You're the one complaining about being called such

[bronze crag]

'cause you know, it sounds to me like he just went purple, you ignored it and you both went on about your day. Except you seem to think he's a troll because of it.

Is it trolling to loot a body?

[elder belfry]

Na, I'm pretty sure they shot at me riding towards them then suddenly stopped

[bronze crag]

They go purple too you know, a troll's colour!

[elder belfry]

So why did they shoot in the first place?

[bronze crag]

Why does it matter?

Maybe they wanted to flag in preparation for another fight, maybe they wanted to fight you, who knows? Who cares? Nothing happened!

[elder belfry]

Never practice law

[bronze crag]

Maybe they left their PvP toggle on and hit you by accident!

[elder belfry]

Not a failed attempt to bait me into flagging? But you're a PvP guild, why avoid the corruption?

[bronze crag]

OK let me throw the question back at you. Why go corrupted?

[elder belfry]

Because you want to kill someone who isn't flagged

[bronze crag]

Why do we want that?

You said it yourself, you had no pack and no real reason to fight.

[elder belfry]

So why try to start a fight on someone who isn't flagged?

[bronze crag]

Why not? It's practically a request to fight, you denied it so that's that. Now you're insisting he should've gone corrupted because you're salty he attacked you in the first place?

Everyone knows the corruption system is ridiculous, especially since it's inflated for the alpha phase.

[elder belfry]

The "request duel" feature too advanced for your guild?

[bronze crag]

There's non way anyone would want to go corrupted without a quick way to remove it, even if you were carrying a pack.

You're not pretending dueling is the same as open world PvP, I'll try and pretend you're better than that and ignore that comment for your sake.

[elder belfry]

Its a fight isn't it? You're a PvP guild aren't you?

There were only two of us there. Whats the difference?

Let me answer that one, my good troll. Because you don't get to trigger corruption that way and steal from people.

[bronze crag]

You should probably look into PvP guilds and PvP content more if you're not just being disingenuous as I'd assume.

[elder belfry]

PvP is fighting players, doesn't matter the venue its just the fight

[bronze crag]

But I'll leave it at that, since this is just going in circles and I need to get to the shop before it closes.

[elder belfry]

Try to rob the cashier and tell them it was just an attempt at haggling, see how it fares

[bronze crag]

OK bro, it's been fun. Thanks for the content.

[elder belfry]

Remember to take your ID, they tend to be cautious selling to minors

[bronze crag]

Careful getting personal, you might be summoning a mod.

[elder belfry]

Thats fine

Rather poignant to hide behind authority now given the discussion but circuitive logic tends to have that effect

[limpid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[elder belfry]

In hindsight I should probably have charged tickets, would've been a nice earner

[timid oar]

Sanctus Vox:

The watching has concluded.

The omens are no longer divided. What was uncertain is now weighed—and found wanting.

A crown of splinters is not authority—it is heresy.
A hegemon of broken banners stands outside the Creation's law.

To the hegemon, You are given seven nights to unmake what you made through three turns.

What should have already been carried in four weeks must now be borne in one.

You will find the three turns in the sanctus vox website.

If this proclamation is ignored, consequence will not wander the crowd.

And those who rise to bear this burden are ready for the greater crusade when called upon. They will not be forgotten, nor will the world forget them.

These measures are spoken in good faith, not hunger.

The Three Turns awaits; do not miss your chance for redemption. Close your ears and they may never hear again. Close your eyes and they may never see the light again.

The seven nights of salvation begin tonight.

May our protectors guide us to peace.

You will find the three turns in the sanctus vox website.

The proclamation was also sent directly to the leadership of the hegemon of broken banners.

The reparation due date is set to 2026-01-09 18:00

[shy stump]

[fallen cypress]

** Issued a chat clarification - Be well unto others, and respect each other **

No hate speech, racism, sexism, suicidal ideation, excessive trolling, toxicity, etc.

• Drama related to actions occurring on a different Server are not to be brought to the Official Ashes of Creation Discord.

Guild Drama or in-game related banter should all be discussed in the EU Arena of Words Channel.

Continuing this line of discussion is not advised, if you have repeat offences moderation actions may be escalated.

• Please use the appropriate channels and be mindful of what discussions are appropriate to have on the Official Ashes of Creation Discord.

Contact a Mod or Community Manager for questions or concerns.

[bronze crag]

Literal witchhunt against Hentai and Revelations and rly anyone they don't like. Hypocrites.

[tawny junco]

this is my sign to stop talking here from the mods, I will listen to them cause I do respect them

[limpid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-12567454887078541885

[left mason]

Guys, this is the second time, you have gotten the warning on this server, how about we, you know, learn? Take it outside

[shy stump]

I'm done chatting about it. If any of you disagree with the power control and the lengths at which these people will go to silence you even when you're having conversations within your own Discord - reach out to me, and let's emphasize the PvP in this game.

[bronze crag]

Reminder that there's a Tenok Community server that supports freedom of speech.

[spice kelp]

? I don't care enough to do that, had my share of server politics drama on TnL, I'm here to have fun and if my way of having fun hurts your feelings then well I'm sorry to tell you but sucks to be you

[elder belfry]

A bit of assumption on my part, one voice went silent and another popped up in its place. Seemed a bit too coincidental

[acoustic nimbus]

No disrespect mate but you haven't spoken in this channel since last year (3days).. what do you mean this is your "sign" to stop talking.
you were not part of the problem. nor part of the convo

[spice kelp]

Because a single item on the person who went purple is probably worth more than your entire account will be in 2 years time

I pop shots at anyone I see to stay purple when my flag fades, it invites PVP on the road while traveling

I don't go around chasing after level 15s and keeping them at 1 bar "hoping they flag back"

[elder belfry]

You just randomly attack people and think its an invite?

What kind of sociopath are you

[spice kelp]

It went silent because I'm doing the most monotous task I've ever done in any game

mining T.T

[elder belfry]

My condolences, honestly. Resource collection is an utter drudge

[bronze crag]

Brother you need to go touch grass, you're confusing the game too much with real life. Taking a basic attack in game heals in seconds, it's not like you got punched through your monitor.

[elder belfry]

Then again the entire crafting side of this game might as well be sitting on thumb tacks for all the fun it inspires

[spice kelp]

and I honestly don't care what people opinion on attacking other players is, it won't stop me from doing it

That's how I have fun when I play games and how I will always have fun while playing games

[elder belfry]

Until it flags corruption of course

[acoustic nimbus]

To be fair.. i attacked some revian/panda fellas on protector pride spawn the other day. Invitation for a fight for spot.
They ignored it and resorted to petty school playground insults

[spice kelp]

Been corrupted plenty of times, plenty of ways to get rid of it without losing anything

and there's genuinely no point in doing it

[elder belfry]

Ah yes, bypass it by having friends kill you

[acoustic nimbus]

Corruption system allows for this PvE toxicity

[spice kelp]

Saying "go corrupted if you want pvp" is like saying "throw away your legendary materials if you need bag space" to a miner

Considering you're just level 15 and more than likely never engaged in any sort of PVP, you don't know how abusable corruption system is in actual group pvp situations

[elder belfry]

Thats utterly dishonest as a comparison. People who want PvP and flagged as such, thats how the game intends. If you're trying to drag someone into a fight then theres need to be a repercussion for that action since, and people seem to be delightfully ignorant of this fact, this game and its players are both PvE and PvP. The only line drawn is imaginary

[bronze crag]

Not even that, just unstuck. You still drop gear, though, you can't circumvent that. But even with this 'exploit' the system is stupidly punishing and anti-PvP. Just encourages toxic play of forcing corruption in various ways I don't honestly want to give examples of.

[spice kelp]

"You want PVP, therefore go risk your expensive gear so that you'll have to go back to PVE to be able to afford new gear"

[timid oar]

pvp can also be manufactured via sieges

if pvp guilds build settlements

and declare pvp wars etc

[spice kelp]

Just wait until you want to defend your spot, you go corrupt for the first time due to your PVE settings that I bet you're running and lose your newly obtained weapon as a PvE'er. Then you'll understand how flawed the system currently is.

[bronze crag]

And the game is neither PvE nor PvP, it's PvX meaning you're signing up for both and can't opt-out of either.

[timid oar]

right now pvp guilds live in the same settlement as the pve animal crossing guilds so there is a lot of things missing for the mechanic to take place

also the crate system is completely broken, it takes out a big part of caravan pvp content ... ... ...

a lot of players complain about these mechanics so i hope intrepid will do something

[elder belfry]

The system is incredibly flawed but you're purposely overlooking the central reason behind it; consent. If people don't want to be murderists they have a choice, you also have a choice to respect it and if you don't the corruption is the balancing act to prevent the game dying off because no one can build nodes

You need both sides to make a conflict have weight and each decision to have consequence, simply farming each other for meaningless kills devolves into a meaningless FFA

[bronze crag]

There's consent and there's deserving non-consent (reasonable) in terms of PvP.
If my group is grinding xp in one spot and another group keeps taking our mobs. I think it should be perfectly fair for our group to kill their group.
Same for say hunting spots, if someone else is contesting my grems I should be able to kill them to defend my spot. That's reasonable but non-consensual PvP.

[elder belfry]

That depends, your only claim is that you are there same as the other group. Neither has the right. You want to fight over it then you have a choice to make, its not reasonable but optional

[left mason]

Fallon what you are saying there is the main difference between PvP and griefing, completely agree with you. There are reasonable times to attack someone, if they do one of the things to mess with your leveling, farming etc. it is reasonable to attack them.

[bronze crag]

It should be the right of the strong, instead it's whoever has the most patience or can somehow rat and bait the other team to flag and die. Especially with pug groups, no one fights with the one guy that accidentally gets flagged.

Say one group were to fight and the other doesn't. They just let themselves get killed, then come back to fight once the first group has gone corrupted. It's a disgusting system.

[elder belfry]

"Right of the strong" you don't build games around such concepts

[spice kelp]

So what you're saying is I can just take my entire guild and get everyone to follow you constantly, tag your mobs and steal off your resources until you quit the game.

With you being able to do nothing about it.

[elder belfry]

That apparently is the route Ashes has chosen

[spice kelp]

There's a very old, still popular game called Tibia. Which has PvE only servers by the way, ask any of the people who played that game how PVE-only environment promotes griefing over PvX/PvP one.

I'm glad Steven doesn't listen to people and does his own thing.

[elder belfry]

As long as theres two or more people in a game someone is going to act the prat, don't need to look very far to find that out sadly

Yes, ignorance is strength

[bronze crag]

Except everything else in the game design wise seems to point to this. I have hope the PvP system will be fixed because of that at least.

[spice kelp]

He's making a game he wants to play and I'm very glad because coincidentaly it's also the same type of game I and many others have been yearning for.

[elder belfry]

Evidently not, you don't like how people can muscle you out without being flagged as corrupted after all

[spice kelp]

I'm pretty sure you'll find a game that you want to play amongst the many already released PvE games Baselli

[elder belfry]

I play all kinds but thats besides the point

[spice kelp]

I can declare war on them without their consent once I've got some throw-away gold so it doesn't bother me

[elder belfry]

How can you get gold if they make you quit?

[spice kelp]

I'm a guild leader I have the privilage of doing that

[elder belfry]

Steven is a businessman, he knows you don't make what doesn't sell. He may not compromise his idea but I can tell you he is smart enough to listen to his consumer base and make changes accordingly

[spice kelp]

Though I wish wars lasted longer. @iron patio Can we please have guild wars last much longer than 2 hours (and 100 kills) or perhaps at least a new "two way system" for permanent wars between guilds?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[timid oar]

There are some games like Eve online that solved this PvP issue in their own way,
And are run by businessman too so no worries about that

[spice kelp]

You mean listen to the players who are looking for the next wow only to go back to wow when a new expansion/classic server launches?

[bronze crag]

May be so but he ain't making a game he himself wouldn't enjoy. Which is probably why the game is so promising, or we'd have just another Korean cashgrab whalemarket game.

[elder belfry]

The wise take what works and use it, trying to demonise a group doesn't make their feedback any less valid I'm afraid

[spice kelp]

This man spitting facts, imagine only the Riverlands was a safe zone and everywhere else was lawless. I'd be down for that.

[bronze crag]

Exactly, so calling PvPers trolls doesn't make their feedback any less valid.

[elder belfry]

Oh I wasn't calling PvPers trolls, just Hentai

[acoustic nimbus]

Same type of players the cause the demise of "worlds adrift" due to their crying for PvE servers to then get what they want and lag themselves to a unplayable mess.

[elder belfry]

Again, from personal experience

[timid oar]

and by the way in EvE online the PVE players where never dettered or chased out, and that game is way more "power based" that ashes at this stage, by miles

[elder belfry]

If that game floundered its by the devs decisions, same as the thousands of other failed PvE and PvP games out there

[acoustic nimbus]

Ah but worlds adrift was the most notable for listening to the wrong player feedback

[elder belfry]

Exactly what I said?

They chose to action, I never said all feedback is correct only to be listened to

[bronze crag]

Imo, PvE game suck because it's just an overgrowing pasture of herbivores that overeat and get bored. PvP games suck because they're pointless if there's nothing to fight for. PvX is where it's at because it's a perfect eco-system

[acoustic nimbus]

Which is way im massive advocate for Devs making the game they want. Not want the loud minority demanding.

[spice kelp]

True, Albion is the best example of a modern succesfull PvX game. EVE and Tibia are the best examples of successful PVX games that have been running for decades.

[bronze crag]

Yea, I was playing that most recently until Ashes came to Steam

[timid oar]

Yeah there is something good that can come out of ashes,
in eve online, the fear of loosing your ship that you grinding for weeks when hauling mats or doing science etc is one of the most attractive aspects of that game, it forces you to team up, plan, weigh risks.
For now in ashes, loosing your stuff punishes only the players who want to engage in some aspects of the game, and leaves them exposed in a way that is not balanced currently.
It's as if in eve, only one side looses their ship and that was only considered shortly 15 years ago by the devs and then they scrapped it into a different idea of "insurrances".
Long way to go for ashes

[elder belfry]

Except one of the most successful MMO to date is largely a PvE game

[spice kelp]

Exactly, so people looking for a great PVE exparience have a place to stay.

[bronze crag]

Club Penguin?

[elder belfry]

Again, the only division is imagined

[spice kelp]

Just because COD is one of the most successful franchises doesn't mean that every game has to be an FPS

[timid oar]

it was stated already that steven and intrepid want to appeal to a certain niche of players that mixes "classic" style of mmo with some innovation, never to be the most populated MMO. But it might just become that if everything goes well and the other titles continue to F up

[spice kelp]

This. There's plenty of players scattered across different games and private servers who are looking for that exact "niche". That niche may not be as niche as certain people seem to think.

[bronze crag]

Still not sure what PvE game he's referring to. I honestly can't think of any pure PvE MMOs that are successful, what am I missing?

[elder belfry]

Classic is little more than limitation with rose-coloured glasses, the old games were constrained and the choices made were necessary for the time.

[spice kelp]

Lost Ark 🤣 To be fair it kinda died after PVP went to shit

[bronze crag]

Successful?

[timid oar]

yes but no one can deny that they had a better "social" aspects than any p2w or big titles of today. The social aspect, interactions etc is what MMOs are for, it's in the title

[elder belfry]

They did indeed, I hold SWG to a very high regard in that matter

[spice kelp]

He's probably talking about WoW but he doesn't realise WoW's success was built on PvX not PvE

[bronze crag]

Social aspect is what makes it an MMO tbh.

[elder belfry]

Largely PvE, not purely.

[bronze crag]

Ooh, yea that makes sense ig. Don't know what those PvE servers are like but I can only imagine.

[elder belfry]

I did enjoy WSG as a druid back in the day

[spice kelp]

As a spectator back in the day I don't remember anyone really talking about "epic pve scenarios" but rather large alliance vs horde battles.

[timid oar]

There is this "fallasy" nowadays where "world pvp" is just considered toxic, it's a reinforcement mechansim that we developped as we got older and forgot the true essence of what MMOs are. Of course there is a bit of toxic behaviour, even in PVE only content, but flagging everything as "it should not exist" is completely missing the point in my opinion

[elder belfry]

There is balance to be found, not one way or the other. Warcraft found it in arenas and battlegrounds but still allowed for flagged PvP to occur

Ashes needs more than fighting, and it needs more than farming and crafting

[bronze crag]

I didn't play WoW much, only for a while in WOTLK, but I remember fighting the other faction outside this raid to determine who got to raid and the pressure of like 'can we do it or will we get caught in the back' was such a thrill. Only thing I rly remember from playing that.

[elder belfry]

And thats just a plain lie. Raids are instanced

[spice kelp]

For me fantasy is "lord of the rings". Lord of the RIngs universe wouldn't be the same if everyone decided to become friends and just farm animals together.

[bronze crag]

Oh I do remember battlegrounds and absolutely hating it because people told me to go PvE for better gear first. Pissed me off to have to PvE before I could do instanced PvP.

[elder belfry]

Which is also a lie, you could buy PvP gear from vendors. The epic stuff was some of the best in slot

[bronze crag]

Idk, this one wasn't. It was on a third continent outside some castle with I think snow around it I think?

[bronze crag]

You needed battleground currency to buy the PvP gear.

[spice kelp]

Fallon probably means world bosses

or some shit

[elder belfry]

World bosses sure, not instances

[spice kelp]

She said raids, not instances. Alot of games "raids" are open world bosses.

[elder belfry]

So you PvP to gain currency

[bronze crag]

Not gonna pretend I know anything about WoW, just recalling what I remember from when I played

[green cove]

you are right

[timid oar]

You realise that ashes went with a design of "open world" PVE, i think they said 20 percent instance and 80 open world x) it will be complete chaos we haven't even tried that content

[elder belfry]

Raids were 10+ man dungeons, world bosses are world bosses in WoW

[bronze crag]

Right, I wanted to do battlegrounds and get the currency playing battlegrounds to buy PvP gear for both battlegrounds and open world PvP. But I was getting fucked in battlegrounds because I was outgeared and my random teammates told me to go PvE for gear first. xd

[green cove]

but thats changed for 10 years now ^^

[spice kelp]

Ashes is a carbon copy of ArcheAge which was highly regarded as one of the best sandbox PvX games to date. Ruined by the publisher. If they didn't rugpull for a mobile game that they didn't even end up releasing, ArcheAge would still be on all top 5 MMORPG lists.

[bronze crag]

OK well this was like 2008/2009 ish

[elder belfry]

Elitists are everywhere sadly, best to ignore them

[bronze crag]

Except they were right because I was absolute deadweight?

[elder belfry]

What does it matter? Battlegrounds were a clusterfuck of idiots

[bronze crag]

I mostly blamed the system there forcing me to PvE to get a one foot entry into instanced PvP.

It mattered to me because I enjoy PvP.

[green cove]

he could have sponsored some gear 😉 but yeah it was harder back then to get started

[elder belfry]

PvP or winning?

[bronze crag]

PvP.

[elder belfry]

Then whats the problem being undergeared and losing a little

[spice kelp]

Yet pve raids and mythic+ are considered the most gatekept and toxic environments in wow to this day.

[green cove]

getting oneshottet is a problem

[bronze crag]

I wasn't losing a little, I was dragging my entire team down because they were effectively one man down. I didn't really get to PvP at all, just run around and get one-shot.

[elder belfry]

No different anywhere else on any other game with levels and gear elevating stats

[bronze crag]

Losing in a fair fight is a whole other thing, and can be just as thrilling as winning.

Better yet is barely winning (or losing) when at a disadvantage (but having given it your all).

No PvE experience compares.

[elder belfry]

I don't know, working with your guild to bring down a boss is pretty good too

[bronze crag]

The first time maybe

[elder belfry]

Both can coexist

[bronze crag]

PvE just gets repetitive and boring imo.

I only enjoy PvE when there's a risk of players contesting, otherwise I just as easily zone out for the grind.

[elder belfry]

Well that is your way, the game thrives on more than one person however

[bronze crag]

No one's arguing otherwise.

[elder belfry]

Not too long ago you were calling me a carebear for having an opposing opinion, that seems a fairly strong argument against my assumed playstyle

[bronze crag]

Not at all, I call people like you carebears for thinking open world PvP is griefing/trolling.
I'm not as opposed to PvE as vehemently as you are against PvP.

[elder belfry]

You assume I'm against, you mean

Easy to demonise and generalise in order to put down

[bronze crag]

PvE is fine, but it should be fairly contestable.

[spice kelp]

and there's more than one person with the same views on the subject as Fallon

[elder belfry]

Popularity is a poor choice of moral selection

[glass gale]

random question fallon. did you ever play mo2

[bronze crag]

You've been pretty evident in your opposition. Going so far as to call someone hitting you with a basic attack to flag a 'troll' or a 'baiter'. From all you've been typing so far I get the impression that you'd rather PvP was entirely removed from the game.

[spice kelp]

Surprisingly the main guy behind the game has the same views on pve as per the live last live stream before steam ea launch.

[bronze crag]

Mortal Online 2? Yes, not long though.

[glass gale]

which guild?

[bronze crag]

Content iirc

[glass gale]

ah right

[bronze crag]

I didn't play as Fallon, someone else beat me to it 🥲

I'm the 'Mordhau Fallon'

[glass gale]

yeah a koto officer or something

[bronze crag]

Yea, though I heard she quit by the time I started playing.

[glass gale]

small world lol

[bronze crag]

Yea fr

[elder belfry]

Multiple times, all with the same goal of baiting out a fight. Not always your guild but the same type of baiting. You even said yourself previously "theres no point fighting over nothing" but strangely avoided the entire premise of what I said

Oddly, no one equal level has attempted the same tactic on me

[bronze crag]

Wasn't it already clarified you were only attacked to get the purple flag as to invite others to fight? You're not as important as you seem to believe.

[elder belfry]

They were already flagged, and seeing as I was the only person around

[green cove]

you go in circles guys for no reason ^^

[elder belfry]

I just enjoy throwing the circuitive logic out of whack when the opportunity arises

[bronze crag]

Flag stays for like 2 minutes.

So they refreshed it.

[elder belfry]

With no one else around on an empty lake? Seems a bit odd, or that they didn't stop until I rode past them

[bronze crag]

No one else around but they were already flagged?

[elder belfry]

They were indeed

[bronze crag]

Again you're just making this way bigger than it is.

100% wasn't about you.

[elder belfry]

No, I'm just asking you a question

And I enjoy watching you avoid the obvious

[bronze crag]

You're not asking questions, you're making assumptions based on misconceptions and getting salty about it.

[timid oar]

Other than that,

All i know is that There will be more content in a week time as the alliance in the Riverland seem to not care about the warning of the voice of the Seven.

Seven days is really not a lot to repair all what is asked as the clock is already ticking.

I hope they can make it, if not there will be content.

And no one can say that Sanctus Vox did not warn them. I even made a freaking website.

This is the difficulty when one side choose to completely shut down the communication channels by banning a certain part of the players. Including the prophet himself. I hope someone can reason with that community and that they've already started working on their redemption.

[elder belfry]

Think you're reading your own replies there

[bronze crag]

Fact is, no one really cares but you.

[elder belfry]

Oh and if anyone is bored by this little banter session do please speak up, I'm just doing it for fun

You forget my good duck, this started because you don't like being called trolls

[bronze crag]

I've never seen someone bitch so much about not getting killed.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

People literaly just refresh their flag on randoms

[elder belfry]

The beginings of this little side show:

[13:30]Fallon
: PvPing isn't trolling.
[13:33]Fallon
: Common misconception by carebears.

[bronze crag]

I don't like untruths, so I try to resolve your misconception. But now it's clear you're just being disingenuous so there's really no point, think what you will.

[elder belfry]

Ladies and gentlemen, assumptions galore!

[spice kelp]

I do it on level 11s when passing by HoJ, it doesn't mean I'm trying to "bait" them into attacking me.

[elder belfry]

Pretty weird thing to do to be honest considering theres an entire method of baiting people in by doing the exact same action

You know, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck logic

[spice kelp]

Tell me you don't play the game without telling me you don't play the game

[elder belfry]

Pretty sure I've rode around the map a few times and so far only trolls have taken pot shots to bait me so far

Given I learn from experience, its easy to put the method and action together

[bronze crag]

Nah, this is what I mean. Just disingenuous. There's no way he actually believes what he's saying, he's just trolling and baiting himself xd

[spice kelp]

Either way what right do you have to tell people how to enjoy the game in front of them? If mechanics allow you to do something, do it as long as you're enjoying yourself

[elder belfry]

Ah yes, the "its within the letter of the law" defence. Delightful

[spice kelp]

It's a video game

not a courtroom

Life ~~ = ~~ video game

[elder belfry]

Didn't say legal defence, would you prefer a planar alignment chart instead?

[elder belfry]

And I stand by that statement

[spice kelp]

You can't even follow your own rhetoric

[elder belfry]

Really? When did I pass the barristers test?

[spice kelp]

You're all over the place

[elder belfry]

Easy to confuse

[spice kelp]

Question. Are you one of the people that are against killing each other on Arc Raiders?

Because you seem like one of those people

[elder belfry]

Never played the thing, extraction shooters are all the same. The Divisions dark zone was far better in my opinion

Shame they put the sticky bomb in a DLC on the sequel

[spice kelp]

Ewwwwww you just completely lost me here

[elder belfry]

Oh wait, I'm suppose to be a carebear. Not the PvP guy who would camp helo extractions with a sticky bomb right

Kids these days don't even know the origins of the churned out crap they play

Well that might be going a bit far, the dark zone wasn't the original

[spice kelp]

"Kids these days" average AOC player is in their 30s

[bronze crag]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

[elder belfry]

Somewhat sidetracking I see, also funny that the creator of the game is in the same age bracket. So do you praise or do you ok boomer?

[spice kelp]

I'm pretty sure extraction shooters started with Arma 2 mods

before division was even a concept

[bronze crag]

Wym? Steven is in the same age bracket as myself. Seeing as you're calling us kids I've gotta assume you're well in your 60s/70s.

[elder belfry]

Only ArmA 2 mods I recall being big were Day Z, king of the hill and that one with the gun shops.

[spice kelp]

He seems like the kind of guy who would start calling everyone who kills them a virgin as well

[bronze crag]

Extra funny to hear when pregnant.

[elder belfry]

So I'm in my 30's, roughly the same age yet I'm in my 60/70s now?

[bronze crag]

You're calling people the same age as you 'kids'.

[elder belfry]

Well when they act like it, why not?

[bronze crag]

Back at ya

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

[elder belfry]

Well I always have been mature for my age, mostly

[spice kelp]

Guys who spends all day arguing with people on Discord is calling other people "kids" as an insult. Let that sink in a bit.

[elder belfry]

Only during slow periods, and hey it takes two or in this case three to tango

[bronze crag]

So mature for his age 🙂

[spice kelp]

I've heard you've been calling me out for not typing so I came

[elder belfry]

Not quite, that vox account showed up and I assumed since you went quiet while Fallon here kept going on that it was an account switch

[spice kelp]

That's some fucked up way of thinking

[elder belfry]

Hardly, one name goes quiet and immediately another pops up right after a mod's intervention

[spice kelp]

Huh? I asked the mod if she's the person who I know, got my answer and just went back to playing the game

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

[timid oar]

the mods in this official channel are very friendly, only intervene when there is very good reason.

[elder belfry]

We've had two so far, on the same subject no less

[spice kelp]

Funnily enough that mod would slaughter Baselli in game for his trade pack 🤣

[bronze crag]

True, seen some proper mod abuse in certain other servers. It's refreshing they won't outright ban people.

[elder belfry]

I don't run crates sadly, tedious work and rather disappointed at the lack of caravans

[spice kelp]

Situations like this are why I love Steven and his mod team

They're all gamers like us

[elder belfry]

Don't particularly care, to be frank

[timid oar]

Baseili we need some players in the discord that we shall not say its name to transmit the Sanctus Vox comndemnation C1 of edict x of the on-going proclamation of principles towards the hegemon of broken banners that don't seem to take this seriously, 7 days and 7 nights of redemption is not a lot for the task at hand. The Seven guardians would appreciate

[elder belfry]

I'll pass thanks Sanctus, maybe another time

[timid oar]

don't be afraid of the hegemon baseili come on as only the seven are the absolution we should be afraid of 😄

[elder belfry]

Far too early in the development for the guild nonsense for me, got enough with star citizen at the moment

[spice kelp]

Are you also crying on Star Citizen discord whenever someone non-consensualy touches your ship?

[elder belfry]

Goodness knows that place is a perpetual bonfire at the best of times

Please, I shoot down people in my caterpillar

And that thing is a damn nightmare

[spice kelp]

You sure do

[elder belfry]

You asked

[timid oar]

don't you see that the crashes in Oak and miraleth and the undermaps in Jeova is a sign of the divines that their will should not be temptered with we need to restore the balance of the creation, it's a matter of the highest importance

it was't happening when everything was peacful

even the sun god of dawn and dusk abandoned us

[elder belfry]

Rather glad for that last one, as much as I enjoy going entirely blind for several minutes

[timid oar]

Yes i aggree the divine light is blinding sometimes

[elder belfry]

A little more reasonably so lately, the drastic "sun on - sun off" certainly had impact though

[sharp geyser]

Citizens of Sunheaven,

Sunheaven is our home — not just a respawn point.
I’m running for mayor to keep it safe, fair, and alive.

Support for crafters and guilds, clear decisions,
and fewer bad ideas… including mine.

No chaos, no shady deals, and no “fun taxes”.

Vote for me, and let’s make Sunheaven legendary —
and still enjoyable to live in.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Citoyens de Sunheaven,

Sunheaven est notre maison — pas juste un point de respawn.
Je me présente pour la rendre sûre, juste et vivante.

Soutien aux artisans et guildes, décisions claires,
et moins de mauvaises idées… même les miennes.

Pas de chaos, pas de magouilles, et pas de taxes « pour rire ».

Votez pour moi, et faisons de Sunheaven une ville légendaire —
et agréable à vivre.

[left mason]

When's the vote?

[sharp geyser]

right now do N and u can vote if u are a citizen !

[left mason]

When does it end?

[sharp geyser]

in 5 days

[limpid nova]

tell your homies to buy from marketplace, tax money goes to treasury

i'll start filling it with mats

[crimson parcel]

What are the plans for nodes? I know only there is some hidden mayor hush-hush discord where they make the plans, but I would really want to know which node is building up what so I can contribute to nodes which I think are best for server.

[timid oar]

The land grows, even as shadows linger.

On the shores, a town is taking root. Seek TheRealArtwork, The Callipygian Order, and others for entry.
In the desert, a village rises under the guidance of the Adventurers Guild, Nox, and kindred hands.
Save Pandas and Revians and many more lend their strength to Miraleth’s great city and the northern settlements of Anvil.

Yet much remains unknown. New Aela waits in silence, and the southern jungles whisper of futures still unclaimed.

As for Jeova, its gates are clouded by a hegemon who chose censorship over transparency. Children of the Seven are denied truth, and the path is obscured while banners were multiplied by decree and shadow, not by labor or lived experience, in defiance of Creation’s law.
It falls to the awakened to see clearly, to leave Jeova, to settle, organize, and build according to the true will of Creation. not to bow to illegitimate broken banners.

The hammer of redemption approaches. Those who cheat, who multiply false authority, will soon be held accountable for the suffering their deceit has wrough. unless they undo what they have broken. The refusal to undo what was done will bring excommunication upon their kings, and suffering upon those who were deceived, those that they failed to protect.

The first night has already been surrendered in denial, only 6 remain for salvation.

(Check the Sanctus Vox website in my discord profile for more on this event)

[crimson parcel]

All builders and normal "peasants" know that behind the fancy words of false prophets lies the greed and abuse.
Speak plainly priest!

[wise herald]

LF JM animal husbandry

[limpid nova]

i wonder who are the remaining 6 o.o

[thorn knot]

40 kills 16v1 XD hentia suck

[elder belfry]

What exactly does a guild war result in by the way? Whats the pay off for the win?

[thorn knot]

nothing they bully pve guilds and fold when pvps fight them

[elder belfry]

So its just an open kill fest over nothing?

[thorn knot]

yep

[elder belfry]

Thats beyond pointless

[thorn knot]

they want pvp but dont put the war with a pvp guild lol makes no sence

[elder belfry]

Theres no such thing as a PvE guild in this game, its literally an open field for fighting

Horrifically done I might add and encourages no form of fair fights but thems the breaks

[thorn knot]

there are thoses that are focusing on crafting and improving towns

then them that are abusing broken corruption mechanics griefing people

[elder belfry]

I've experience my fair share of it from a wide array of folks, its far too basic of a system to sustain the game and needs a dire rework so fights are over actual goals

[limpid nova]

Castles and Martial towns.. but neither is implemented yet 🙁

[elder belfry]

True, perhaps they'll change things up but the corruption system and the method of PvP flagging is the failure point that really needs changing

[limpid nova]

yup still needs tons of work there

[thorn knot]

yea go corrupt get your friend to kill you is broken

[limpid nova]

i hate this one =/

[green cove]

i mean we are not even on max level so 🤷‍♂️

[elder belfry]

Its a lazy mechanic that either hasn't been considered or is in a very basic state

[limpid nova]

LF server wipe before increasing level cap

[green cove]

i hope so

[elder belfry]

I'll hate to see the eventual lvl 50 vs lvl 11 fights

[green cove]

allways possible but i doubt it

but atm you are not able to attack towns

[limpid nova]

while Tenok is still packed with too many "wilderness" types.. other servers are packed with towns

[elder belfry]

Taking a turn on the old PvP servers on warcraft has taught me differently. Theres always a gremlin

[limpid nova]

so a wipe would be good since people hopefully learned from that

[green cove]

yeah but there is not even a system trying to prevent it

[limpid nova]

true

[elder belfry]

Indeed, and thats a worry considering its supposed to be at the core of the game

I would've expected protections to be the first thing done, along with some method of equalisation on stats

[green cove]

we will see

[elder belfry]

Hopefully so

[spice kelp]

Not my fault that your entire guild ran and logged out

Be upset with your guild leader/shotcallers

[quartz gulch]

Get better guild, all your teammates hiding

[white radish]

this bless thing is kinda cringe not going to lie

[bronze crag]

Tell that to @versed crater

[white radish]

is there some lore im missing here?

[bronze crag]

Yes 🙂

[white radish]

well care to enlighten me?

[bronze crag]

He said that to/about Hentai in some argument in his socialist party discord before banning everyone.

[white radish]

oh so this all was some salty revenge crusade

doesnt make it less cringe

[spice kelp]

It was just content and there will be more

[white radish]

where is this content posted and whos watching it?

[spice kelp]

We started the war when they were doing 50+ man trade pack run

[bronze crag]

Revenge crusade? Honestly just us testing the war system at an opportune time

[white radish]

yeah sure, thats exactly what it seemed like ...

[white radish]

so you approach a bunch of pvers and then are surprised they run? i must be missing something here cuz this sounds so dumb

[bronze crag]

Don't really care for your tinted optics.

[white radish]

oh no! well now im sad

[spice kelp]

Yes, it's a PVX game deal with it

or go play something else

[bronze crag]

I'd expect at least their 'warband' of PvPers to fight back, but they all just logged out or straight up left their guild instead.

[white radish]

im just laughing at you guys being so shellshocked that pvers dont wanna pvp

yeah like 2 ppl left right?

[bronze crag]

No, we ran into 4 more

At least 6 left the guild

[white radish]

and they just volunteer this information to you?

[spice kelp]

We're shocked that an alliance of 300+ players just ran, absolutely

[bronze crag]

We saw them in game, previously with the Grimwood tag, now without.

[white radish]

well that tells me more about u than them tbh

[white radish]

they could have literally left whenever? huuh

[bronze crag]

People seem confused about the game, thinking they can PvE only in a PvX game then go when they get attacked in PvP.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[white radish]

im not sure you grasp whats being said tbh

but i guess thats to be expected from a guild whos acc shocked a pve guild doesnt wanna pvp

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-finger-flip-off-middle-finger-gif-flipping-the-bird-flip-the-bird-gif-6373072936407153542

[white radish]

attack whoever u want mate who cares but dont whine when no one cares

[bronze crag]

We're not the ones whining xd

[white radish]

muffin.... xd

[bronze crag]

We've been pissing ourselves laughing all evening.

[white radish]

so have i tbh

im still waiting on the clips about this epic 20v50

[bronze crag]

Well keep it up

[white radish]

what do you think im doing here muffin?

[bronze crag]

Right, lemme go check my recording

[white radish]

yukki got so ragebaited he forgot to send it

[spice kelp]

They got us on their KOS list then they get surprised we fight them

smh

[timid oar]

it's part of the game, thus

[white radish]

i dont think a single person is surprised that a hentai attacks them

also what is this spy shit hahah cringe

[spice kelp]

Kekw still waiting for roadkill to start hunting us with his legendary bow

bless him

[white radish]

you people are hilariously salty

getting offended from memes from pvers

[spice kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1385924994328039465/1393248125870673960/wS4YXm.gif?=

This sums up todays war, see you tomorrow

[white radish]

what happens tomorrow

genuine question tho qhy dont you guys move to a bigger server where ppl actually wanna engage inpvp instead of run

[bronze crag]

Why should we have to start over on another server? Plenty of content here.

[spice kelp]

genuine question tho why dont you guys move to a bigger pve game where ppl can actualy pve without having to engage in fighting with other players

[white radish]

ah well, give it time

[spice kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306448316500148224/1457163711008604324/3636633636d.mp4?ex=695b00f5&is=6959af75&hm=9f3004b7df7bb7300fdea47a13d0709ae510ef9a3b6855dd2cc12ba148b5c9fa& Damn Zinky dropped guild quick 🤣 no wonder ya'll scream "WE ONLY HAVE LOW LEVELS" when your 25's drop guild the moment any sort of combat starts

[modern sun]

Grown men thinking this shit is a win or something to gloat about is honestly so cringe

[white radish]

fr

[modern sun]

Anime shirt wearing motherfuckers guaranteed

[white radish]

yall still on about this?

zzz

what ''content'' !

[spice kelp]

Better than cutting trees or fighting rocks 24/7 and fleeing every time a hostile player farts your direction

[white radish]

i have a full time job and i have 0 braincells after work so ill take the trees tyvm

[spice kelp]

To be fair it's a sick shirt

[white radish]

that is a pretty cool shirt

[limpid nova]

@iron patio what's the maintenance about though, we need details

[crimson parcel]

I thought this was supposed to be organized pvp fight between high levels

From all the celebration in /global I thought you actually fought against pvp minded group from grimwood...
Turns out "hardcore" pvp attacked group with bunch of level 15s and such doing crates who were completely unprepared for encounter.
Looks like most of them did not even resist.

If this is what you consider big win in pvp, no wonder ALL hentais who dueled me lost...

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-tv-show-abc-lost-lost-abc-sayid-sayid-jarrah-gif-24356500

[slow hedge]

send em to lotharia
where competetive pvp meets the big talkers

[crimson parcel]

nah, i talked with them about lotharia. They are scared of "queues"

[slow hedge]

those happen only if u do rookie mistake and logout in the fishing bot city miraleth or in joeva xd
ive never been stuck in queue

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[spice kelp]

I'm a rogue too, not like we win majority of 1v1 match ups by default or anything

[crimson parcel]

I won against every rogue of yours. I probably can't take ones with proper gear, I don't even have full radiant setup, just random assorted common radiant + occasional piece still adept.
Thing is: I am complete no-skill noob in pvp 🙂

[spice kelp]

Good for you, now start a war and lets fight

[crimson parcel]

I am also poor, no money. No gear, no gold, no skill.
But if you want to finance or do some balanced practice matches, I am interested.
Despite all the chat-pvp fun, if you wanna practice 8vs8 on training caravan or something feel free to call me if you don't have enough people.

Just keep in mind that I have shit gear when tuning balance on both teams 🙂

[spice kelp]

Nobody runs caravans, they need to remove mules

Mules make the caravan system completely irrelevant

[crimson parcel]

No, i mean old style. We take out fake caravan, and use it for friendly pvp practice.

[spice kelp]

Even sports fishing is dog shit for the risk involved compared to mule crate runs

[crimson parcel]

My group is not so active, and most who are more active are not that interested in pvp and I would like to get more practice in group content.
So, since open world pvp is rarely even remotely balanced, best we can do is "practice caravans"

That is also good way to introduce more people to pvp, and normalize it.
When most of server population thinks of pvp as "ah, this is where super strong individual or group ganks me", it is hard to awake interest for such activity.

Of course, I totally get why those who are interested only in ganking ungeared, unskilled and even unleveled opponents, who only talk big...
Makes total sense why they would not want to help with organizing such events, despite calling themselves the "only big pvp guild".

Hopefully, we can get people interested in pvp aspect of the game instead of couple of individuals doing their best to insult everybody with different playstyle into completely stopping to play the game.

[limpid nova]

@iron patio can you categorize the names list by server pls? I'm curious and suspicious 🤔

[urban loom]

TL;DR; that's fine just put down the clown and vomit, maybe add some troll gifs and move on.

You should really stop making sense... it's very awkward here. Thing is, I joined GrimWood to have social fun. This mmo I dont want to hardcore pvp ... so chose to join a more relaxed guild, no cop's, no CTA's, no timetable goals, no scout or guard shedules, no obligated contributions to gold... getting older, family stuff etc it made sense to test this game out before launch and 'retire' in it for years to come. There is sooooo much to do and very promising game and now it's affordable. I think most ppl join(ed) GrimWood to have just some chatty fun and do some ingame stuff mostly pve related. Just log in and see how the wind blows that day.

The main goal of GrimWood as I know of it, is to build out a server economy with other guilds and players and test how it goes before launch... which makes sense. Maybe that attracted lots of ppl to the guild too.. dunno... There are ppl here that also like to pvp but they aren't organised and a bit ignorant and unknowing afaik. Dont think 90% of GrimWood actually knows what GvG means. It's weird how fast this guild has grown at EA, no one expected it. I joined just pre EA. And it was a straight hit in nice social ppl with almost zero to none drama whatsoever.

It's sad to read and see ppl getting frustrated over a game they had so much fun in/with. Cause they are getting ganked all over the place. Losing fun and just quit the guild or most even the game. I also do understand how this guild has become a 'target' and I personally have been called and acted upon worse... but most ppl in this guild are not custom to this behaviour of the few you find in any game. And even worse it has been taken way too far to even outside the game harassment. It's not done... yet it happens. Even I got a bit triggered yesterday... normally just ignore it.

And one can say... it's a pvp game, git gud or w.e rocks their troll boat ... that's one perspective ... not everyone's.

[urban loom]

The newspaper thingy, yeah that was in our discord to lighten up the mood a bit and make it a bit more ridicule not this out of context stuff ... I have no intention to go pvp in this game. I would go into a guild and GvG, fight for worldbosses etc and prolly move to Loth to have most opportunity to get that. Wouldn't go to the lowest pop server where you know most new ppl that joined later and more relaxed guilds will be... that would make no sense to me. I prolly wouldn't even play this mmo if I wanted pvp ... this game is not yet ready for it. I would just go back to albion for some leisure pvp.

[white radish]

yeah see all your effort is just going to be met with ''but this is a pvp game so deal with it 4head'' , no point

unemployed people cant comprehend that some people genuinely just wanna farm trees and have 0 brain cells while doing so

[urban loom]

Ino but it was adressed to the community not a handfull of ppl

Why would i care about a handfull of ppl .. i just want ppl to know GrimWood is fun and social and not what they are made out to be by some dudes loving weird p... .

[white radish]

everyone already knows that they are, anime weeaboos are the only ones who didnt get the msg :)

sidenote gz to the turks for winning mayor

[urban loom]

I hope <@&542059693779058748> picks up this is getting to harassment outside the game and watch it bit closer. It rly is not done.

[white radish]

who is harassing?

[limpid nova]

if you scroll up, you'll notice some guys talking about how global chat is and how people are mostly annoyed about it,,

[timid oar]

The warning was given.
Yet you chose silence.

What followed was not invasion, but consequence.
The ruin that struck your banner was born from your kings refusal to listen, and it fell first upon those they claimed to lead. The citizens were not the target; the structure that deceived them was.

Let this be understood: this is not a crusade on the common folk. It is judgment upon those who chose splintered banners through exces, through zerging, through illegitimate multiplication. Whether done in naivety or intent. Such acts stand outside Creation’s law. Every soul lost, not to return to this world, weighs upon those who ordered and defended that choice.

Then they claimed public space, yet ruled it as private ground. Censorship carried out under the name of all demands responsibility—and that responsibility was refused. Doors were sealed, voices chained, and correction became necessary. The intervention is not for vengeance, but for the greater balance the hegemon failed to uphold.

Yet the path to salvation remains open.

Unmake what hardened you. Disperse what was wrongly gathered. The broken banners must decentralize, take new names, and look outward—beyond the Riverlands, beyond stagnation, beyond the lie that strength hoarded is strength preserved. Restore those cast out, and abandon the locks you chained yourselves with.

Do this, and salvation will be.
Refuse, and consequence will not tire. It will spread to all who choose to stand with the hegemon. The wrath will be legion.

More Justiciars now stir across the horizons, they speak many tongues and but meet against the wrongdoings of the splintered crown you forged. This was only the first signs. As refusal continues, there will be many more. The intervention will grow bloodier from inevitability. It will endure until correction is made, or until the hegemon completes its own ruin.

The reckoning has just begun,
And is narrowing,
Only 5 nights now remain.

OOC:

From an ooc perspspective,

There is no "in game" harassment but just mechanical PvP that is grounded in in game events and narrative that lead to this with the "public tenok discord" just roleplayed into a "public space" as it claimed itself.

From the start of these developments, a path to correction was left for the "casual PVEs" that just want to play a cosy game, it was repeated in every announcement that you have to stop zerging to exerce control but follow the progress curves that the game has intended (do guild experience, settle other lands, engage in the world, fight for control etc).

So yeah, the door was left open and as repeated over and over again, the common "PVE chill" can exist but not in that form, others will fight that form as the game gives options to so yeah, can't cry about it it's part of the game. IF you plan to just relax in a Chill sandbox, you can't wear the banners of a zerg alliance that maipulates outcomes (Voting manipulation, what can be said and not in public spaces etc) and then expect no consequence when the game corrects itself with the tools that it provides the player base...

Every alliance will need a military branch in this game to defend itself, especially since you claimed tools of control and went beyond to misuse them... If the idea was to play cosy PVE then may be try to be less expansionist and reduce the claims of lands, resources, public spaces (stop banning everyone that is not in the "PVE Cosy" gamestyle from the official tenok discord server that you also claimed for F sake, or rename it to "Tenok public PVE chill cosy community" discord, because you speak in the name of everyone throught it currently and it's deceiving).

Finally all of this is part of testing, so the PvX should be balanced as more and more issues arise in the current game configuration

[white radish]

maybe hentai should make an alliance too instead of crying that nobody gives them votes
theres politics in this game like it or not and these bozos just gank lvl 10s and then cries that nobody likes them

they literally shout nat zi slurs and then cry that they get banned from forums

bunch of manchildren having a tantrum

[timid oar]

i also got banned for literally posting 1 RP message meant to be bring some content to the game (My sin: the message was hostile to the zergging and censorship talks about war). I am also not affilitated to Hentai.
Other guilds got also banned for being hostile to grimwood, for message they posted in their own discord.
Imagine you post that same message when you are openly hostile to some other guild, would you say that you'll get banned ? Certainly not, since your hostility is not towards those that control speech on that server, and that my friend is the entire problem that was created.

[white radish]

bro everybody knows ur a hentai alt, ur not fooling anyone
yall literally just cannot play politics and you have 0 eye for the long game

then you cry about your own inadequacy and spawncamp crate runners in retaliation

[timid oar]

people are free to believe whatever they want to fit their narratives, just denial in my opinion

[white radish]

they sure are buddy

[bronze crag]

All I'm reading here is people complaining that they don't get to play Stardew Valley in a PvX MMORPG.

You just want to chop trees? You might as well play minecraft. You want to 'retire' in social setting? There's better options out there for strictly PvE in very social guilds, like GuildWars2 or some PvE WoW server or something.

We're not breaking any rules or abusing any actual exploits, even if we may call some things 'exploits' because the PvP system is just poorly designed and needs to be reworked. In the end we're just playing the game the way we enjoy it, same as you. If that's at your expense, then that's your problem and you should probably consider whether a PvX game is or isn't your cup of tea.

I'd argue the biggest difference between us is that we actively oppose the ways in which you spoil our fun through in game means, whereas all you do is complain here and there about how we spoil yours while continuing to sit on your hands.

[white radish]

the thing that youre failing to realize that pvx doesnt equal to pvp. politics is an active mechanism in this game and you are bad at it. which is why people manipulate votes against you.

[bronze crag]

No one in our guild thinks PvX is only PvP. We do plenty of PvE but we're always ready to PvP. And yes, we also engage in the social/political aspect, it wasn't just hentai voting for hentai in Sunhaven if that'd what you're on about.

We counted our votes and even within just our guild we had more than the 24 votes the turks won with, so there's some confusion there. I'm guessing the mayoral election system might be bugged as well, but then that system needs some work too. Honestly shouldn't be so easy for everyone to just mass immigrate for a day just to vote then go back where they came from. Politics is one thing, having the largest group dictate every mayor is another thing which I'm sure isn't the intention of the design team.

[white radish]

considering its become your motto and the only think you say in repeat, i geniunely dont think you understand that pvx doesnt mean pvp.

you sound like trump, if you dont win shit is rigged and if you win then its not. youre using existing exploits in your pvp because they exist, can you not argue that the big pve alliance is doing the same? or does it only irritate you when it doesnt work in your favor?

[shy stump]

Make Verra Great Again

we're gonna build a wall around Joeva and make Grimwood pay for it

[white radish]

lmfao

[quartz gulch]

Cry more

Not a single day goes by without people crying and complaining about Hentai Guild

[white radish]

fr yall live rent free in ppls heads

[bronze crag]

Again. We're not breaking any rules and as far as I'm aware neither are you. I'm saying both systems of PvP (flagging/corruption) and mayoral elections are broken and should be fixed or ideally reworked entirely.

You're just so angry that you're seeing everything I say as some kind of attack or defence against you, but you're not considering my words at all. Instead repeating the same in every reply so I have to repeat myself as well. Take a moment to calm down, please. Then answer me if you honestly think I'm wrong.

[quartz gulch]

You and many others should think about that advice..

[white radish]

im not angry in the slightest, amused if anything. you are like a self repeating parody. you cry about vote manipulation while you do plenty of pvp abuse mechanics yourself. you just admitted that a few msgs ago. yall are bad at politics but its okay.

[bronze crag]

But no one's crying? That's just how you're reading it because you're so angry.

Because again you're just trying to throw shade with your 'you're a parody' and 'you cry' and 'you're all bad', instead of admitting that I'm right: Both PvP (flagging/corruption) and mayoral elections (and quick immigration) systems are broken and need fixing or ideally fully reworking.

[white radish]

you can keep saying that but it unfortunately does not make me any angrier. and i see you also have 0 reading comprehension because thats precisely what ive been saying, you abuse one mechanic and vote manipulation abuses the other. yes they do need a rework. where did i state otherwise?

if you get triggered by banter from a random bozo, it isnt really my fault

probably should grow a thicker skin if youre in a pvp grief guild

[bronze crag]

You insist you're not angry but your responses are getting more and more hostile while I've kept a neutral tone.

All you've had to say in regards to the systems is that their mechanics are being abused on both ends, implying that it's fair for you to do so; if we do so. That implies acceptance, more than a desire to see them reworked.

Yet the mention of vote manipulation and the abuse of the faulty citizenship system hadn't been mentioned before, certainly not by us. It's always only been complaints about us 'abusing' the PvP system by people actually getting triggered. Whereas we just report the bug and move on.

[white radish]

im not the one spending 10 minutes to write several paragraphs. im 'hostile' because i dont like you, not because im angry at you. and the whole reason the vote manipulation is being discussed is because youre the ones who mentioned it, so clearly you do more than /bug. even had a cringe revenge crusade cuz you got kicked for violating server rules.

[bronze crag]

I don't like you either, but that doesn't mean I don't take the time to respond properly in what could be a fair discussion.

We never mentioned vote manipulation, if with 'you' you mean Hentai. I've only been replying to your message including it.

As for the 'revenge crusade', I'm pretty sure I've corrected you there already as well. But I guess there's no point in doing so when your anger/hostility continues to cloud your judgement and evidently, reading ability.

[white radish]

my message includes it because yours did. youre spending 10 minutes writing yet dont really read what im saying, either. then cry for no fair discussion. honestly any guild spouting natzi slurs doesnt really inspire me to have a fair discussion about anything. also your lvl 25 radiant gear ''pvpers'' farming lvl 14 people in oak. like you cry so much about pvp yet all you people do is gank people who cant fight back. ''oH bUt NaTurE oF tHe GaMe''.

[urban loom]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-spit-take-cracking-up-haha-so-funny-omg-gif-9433764852438400112

I would prolly leave the guild and help you if you actually started on it hahahaha

[timid oar]

The Voice of the Seven deems that the mass slaughter of goblins in Oak, minotaurs, and crabs under the flag of PVE content is but another form of ganking—
poor souls, endlessly massacred by eight fully geared main raids. It doesn't make any who practice this path innocent and clean when the world balance itself, without excess.

[shy stump]

5 days 🙂

[bronze crag]

You continue to make things up. 'Hentai complaining about vote manipulation', 'Crying for no fair discussion', 'spouting natzi slurs'. And implying our max level players go corrupted for killing lvl 14 players?

None of that's true.

We also don't 'only gank people who can't fight back'. We fight anyone, it's not our fault even the largest guilds call to run rather than fight back.

We don't go corrupted if we can help it, and I'd assume fighting purple flagged players is fair game. Guild wars too, are fair game. It costs 25 gold to declare a guild war, and we're the first guild willing to test it on a mass crate run. We didn't even gain anything for it but a good time and people still complain about it like they should've gotten a denyable war invite.

Who's spoonfeeding you this anti-PvP/anti-Hentai propaganda? Or are you the origin of the bullshit yourself?

[quartz gulch]

At this point i will go and visit oak myself and farm lvl 14 ppl 🙂

[timid oar]

The crabs, bears and gobelins shall not be ganked in the name of cozy content, they are souls, they have families, they play their own roles in the balance of the creation

[white radish]

i have no doubt, enjoy

[quartz gulch]

ty 🙂

[white radish]

alas i cannot argue with stupidity. your copium is strong and im tired of you repeating yourself. you can deny all you want, that unfortunately doesnt change the view of your guild to everyone else. my original statement is that yall are bad at politics, which is okay. youre a pvp guild, youre not good at pve.

and vice versa

now excuse me i will go back to crafting cuz my thread is rdy

(also you should ask yukki about the natzi slurs and sees what he says)

[elder belfry]

This seems to be a recurring theme at this point across all servers

I'm genuinely starting to wonder if anyone at Intrepid even bothered to flowchart this PvX system at all, theres so much obvious and rampart abuse and circumnavigation of it to be almost laughable

It really is baffling why theres a guild war system that effects nothing and an abusable system of voting

[timid oar]

yes
but they clearly moved toward adding "crates" etc to appeal to a certain audience breaking the "caravan" PvX centric experience,
So the game is misleading new comers into thinking that it's a sandbox chill game with the lineear quests at the start etc, and then once you are lvl 10, hell break loose.
There must be more tutorials and guidance for new players of what are the risks, what is the world building etc
The caravans are a super feature where different groups have to fight, that's a really good PvX experience. The crates are just broken.

[elder belfry]

The whole spiel given on this game is thoroughly misleading I think, its a pretty art style on what feels like pieces of other games mashed roughly together underneath

[timid oar]

a way to fix crates would be to make them moove "real goods" between markets rather than random stone/herb that get's nulled against golds.
That way you cap what the crates can do and create profit from moving real goods between markets rather than converting green 122 stone 12 wood and 5 fish to easy gold

[elder belfry]

They want fights over resources but put obvious workarounds over the crate system, a slower levelling but without any form of stat equalisation in fights and a node war that promotes abusive actions like that Polar guild displayed

[timid oar]

Yes true,
However for the polar stuff, there was a huge bug where normally you can vote against "destruction" of building, but the vote didnt work.
You are not supposed to break the settlements that way because of a vote of the citizen before destroying buildings.
Finally that abuse not only came from thebug etc, but also partially from zergging and i have no clue how can you mechanicly fix it

[elder belfry]

It would be nice to see items moved rather than raw resources, would also help if those items included the "grind" items from professions

Thats the kind of thing you typically flowchart on a system before creating it, you explore all routes of use to find where the abuse and exploits can occur. Plus the old developers addage of "never trust the players"

[fleet lake]

Anyone else falling thru the world on login?

[jolly coral]

just wait a couple of minutes , you will load again. and it will fix it self

[bronze crag]

Only explanation I can think of is 'it's alpha' so they're not expecting it all to flow properly yet and it's all placeholder stuff

[elder belfry]

True, I expected the core system to be a little more robust at this late stage though

[jolly coral]

im looking for 2 Legendary Iron. if anyone got lemme know on discord.

[ancient quarry]

@bronze crag
After reading the above, and experiencing it first-hand in game from Siegefive and other level 20 players, there isn’t a problem with you PvPing or PvX’ing, as you like to call it. However, when you are attacking people who are significantly lower level and have no fair means of defending themselves, it ruins the enjoyment of the game for others.

You have every right to PvP other players, but why not actually test your skills against people of your own level, who are at least somewhat expecting it?

Instead, you target the only real viable method people have to make money in the game. I haven’t even bothered trying to move crates yet at level 14, as I can’t justify losing materials that I’ve spent time accumulating.

I’m not saying this is entirely your fault, because you are allowed and able to do it within the game, but choosing not to would make a difference. Allow new players to make some gold, progress, and help make this a viable place for everyone to play. Is it really worth ruining the experience for others purely for your own enjoyment, especially when you don’t actually gain anything from it?

I appreciate that much of this repeats what others have already said; I just want to clearly explain that griefing lower-level players isn’t the answer.

[bronze crag]

You're making it sound like level 20+ players just go around killing unflagged low levels, going corrupted for a couple glint. No one does this.

What's really happening is that those low levels haven't fixed their settings and are (accidentally) flagging themselves purple, then getting killed 'fairly'. I'll be the first to call this a form of abuse of the poorly designed PvP system's flaws, but those low levels can literally change their settings and those lvl 20+ players can do nothing but waste their time.

It's also not the only form of PvP that PvPers engage in, we do in fact try to engage in PvP with groups of players 'of our level'. It's just that they tend to run away or use other forms of abuse within the system making it less enjoyable. Like hugging guards for example, or going unflagged and spawning their mounts to try and bait corruption. The entire system needs reworking to be less anti-PvP. All we need imo is a proper system protecting lower levels from actually being griefed, but anything else should be fair game and not punishable by losing gear, that punishment is absolutely crazy and no other 'punishment' compares. I'd also like to clarify that this system shouldn't outright protect players below a certain level, because as is those alts are used to camp high value gathering spots, and lower levels should be able to fight one another for a grind spot too.

On the topic of mules, I'm 100% in favour of the 'throwaway low level alts' killing mules or any other similar form of 'abuse' you can think of because the current mule system is stupid. It shouldn't be so safe and easy to make gold in the game, it completely nullifies the intent of the caravan system being risk for reward.

[quartz gulch]

Another reason to kill low lvls grimwood

Absolutely clueless post, gimme the sh1t that you smoke please

[elder belfry]

Allowing low levels to fight each other is the quickest way to kill any PvP inclusive game, it would be spawn camp hell

[quartz gulch]

You get protection when u spawn, as well as theres guards who will one shot everyone who attack you.

[elder belfry]

The guards are limited to the first, what? Ten minutes of play. The rest of the world is not so protected

Players can't be trusted to not screw each other at the best of times so offering fresh players up on a platter is suicide

[white radish]

''All you've had to say in regards to the systems is that their mechanics are being abused on both ends, implying that it's fair for you to do so; if we do so. That implies acceptance, more than a desire to see them reworked. ''

[ancient quarry]

That’s fair, you raise some good points. I agree that not all level 20+ players behave that way, and I also agree that accidental flagging is a real issue. I wasn’t fully aware of how easy it was to trigger until I lost a significant amount of glint while oak farming.

I think we largely agree that genuine griefing of lower or newer players isn’t healthy for the game, and that the PvP and corruption systems themselves are flawed. My intention wasn’t to label all PvPers the same, but more to encourage a general mindset of leaving lower levels alone until there’s a system in place that makes those interactions feel fair and intentional rather than accidental or one-sided.

I don’t know the mule system in depth, so I’m only speaking from personal experience there, but I can see your point around risk versus reward and how the current implementation undermines caravans.

[white radish]

they know exactly well that new players dont know how to not accidentally flag themselves, thats why they go to oak farm. dont get fooled by this shit. they grief and act like they dont. they are a bunch of griefers that enjoy ganking low levels and call it fair because ''they were flagged'' by them running into an aoe that was never meant to attack them to begin with or use tank aura to flag the whole party.

this is not anyones first time alive, ive played plenty of pvp servers in WoW. no high level cares about a lvl 10 running around

[elder belfry]

Goodness knows I've had so many groups get picked off because of those stupid settings, ably spread by the aura skills and before you know it everyone is toast

[ancient quarry]

When mockery replaces reasoning, it’s usually because reasoning isn’t available.

If this is the level of response you’re capable of, it’s not surprising you think killing low-level players is “content”. You’re not arguing a position, you’re just advertising a lack of one.

[white radish]

that guy is a troll, not worth engaging

in fact all they do is bury their head in the sand and repeat the same mantra

instead of giving massive guilds time to gear their people and let low levels get money to actually gear and be able to pvp, they are ganking and baiting mobs on everyone they see

[ancient quarry]

It's amusing to see his little band of merry men jump in occasionally to add their irrelevant comments.

[bronze crag]

I don't disagree with you, but players are always going to find ways around a broken system so we're really just waiting for Intrepid to get a grip on it and make it better for all.

[bronze crag]

I wouldn't mind them much, tried having decent discussions about this matter with them before but it doesn't really lead to anything but namecalling and false accusations. 🙄

The whole topic's kinda been overdone, so I guess it's understandable if people feel a bit toasted so to say.

[white radish]

a hentai member saying discussions dont lead to anything but namecalling and false accussations is hilariously ironic

[bronze crag]

My point ^

[white radish]

i thought no carebears in that guild? natzi or no anything goes?

[ancient quarry]

while I appreciate you must be frustrated, he agree,d with the key point, explained his point and didn't jump to insults or accusations, I think he was fair in his responses

[white radish]

fallon is the only person who is not a manchild in that guild

the rest literally shout natzi shit and gank low lvls

[ancient quarry]

We don't have to agree with his opinion but he explained it fairly, but agree re the rest

[white radish]

i dont like neonatzi supporters what can i say

[bronze crag]

I'm sure I don't have to clarify that we're not actually like that at all. Idk why but some people like to throw out the 'you're a natzi' accusation when their opinion isn't shared. (Also not sure where that t is coming from but sure).

People in our guild are actually all mature and pretty chill, a lot of us are parents. We just like to unwind with PvP after a long day rather than 'chop trees with 0 braincells' like others

[white radish]

did you talk to yukki yet?

im guessing he isnt included in the ''parents'' section

or is that too ''carebear'' ? ;)

[bronze crag]

@spice kelp

[spice kelp]

What's up?

[white radish]

@spice kelp why r u shouting heil hitler ?

and other nazi shit

[spice kelp]

Screenshot please

[white radish]

why do i need a screenshot for that?

do you not remember anymore? xD

[spice kelp]

If you're accusing someone of something it's on you to provide proof, it should be easy to just hit print screen

[white radish]

i wasnt there, heard it from people

[spice kelp]

So what you're saying is that you're full of shit

[white radish]

so ask around for proof but that only just proves to me that you were shouting shit because regular people would just respond with i didnt

instead you ask for proof

ew

[spice kelp]

So if someone tells me you're diddling kids, am I supposed to believe them with no proof?

[bronze crag]

Heard it from his third uncle's fifth son's best friend's aunt's sister.

[white radish]

if someone claimed i did, i would respond with what the fuck no , instead of ''prove it'

i heard it from a grimwood member who im assuming was there during the ''war''

[spice kelp]

Flawed logic

[white radish]

ok natzi

[acoustic nimbus]

Whats this i hear that @white radish is fiddling kids?

[white radish]

what the fuck no

see how a normal person responds?

[acoustic nimbus]

can you provide evidence that your not?

I hear it from someone

[bronze crag]

Then it must be true!

[acoustic nimbus]

Ofc its true he aint providing evidence that he is not!

[white radish]

he still didnt say he didnt say that btw ;)

[acoustic nimbus]

Well let that be proof that your full of shit

[white radish]

hahaha

[spice kelp]

I don't need to defend myself, I'm not insecure like yourself

[white radish]

yes be proud of what you believe in i guess

[timber sky]

why are people in this chat trying to make a false narrative against people?

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/saga-of-tanya-the-evil-tanya-salute-german-gif-14339477

[white radish]

That's more like it

[timber sky]

@white radish is there a reason you are calling them natzi?

[subtle root]

Did the server crash?

[timber sky]

no the server is fine

your region in the game must have crashed

if it did

[white radish]

I was told by several people that yukki said specific natzi phrases and based on this response I really don't doubt it :)

[subtle root]

Yeah, I can connect to characters on Pelune but not my char on Tenok

[white radish]

And since they are not carebears surely they can just be honest and say what they want?

[timber sky]

Okay... so my question is is there proof of this? or do the people have a negative bias of this Yuki person?

or is it all heresay

[white radish]

I have no idea whether they have proof or not

I didn't ask, I asked yukki

I ain't watching that, glad for you, or sorry it happened

[timber sky]

So let me get this straight, you call someone a natzi without any proof because someone said he may or may not have said anything and you choose to beleive it without a 2nd thought and then decided to continue to call him this name?

im confused on the logic here

[bronze crag]

That about sums it up, yea.

[white radish]

Let me get this straight, I hear someone said something and I directly ask the person who was said to have said this

I guess next time I won't ask?

Lmfao what is this logic

[timber sky]

did they admit to being one?

[white radish]

They didn't deny it

They just asked for proof

[timber sky]

so if someone asks if im a millionare and i dont say no does that make me a millionare?

[white radish]

It makes you delusional, honey

If someone asks if you said something and you don't say no, the answer is yes

[timber sky]

im not poking fun or making jokes at all im seriously confused on your logic

[white radish]

I'm also equally confused by your logic so that makes 2 of us

[acoustic nimbus]

Thats the thing you ran with the accusation of "natzi" way before you ask him..

I decline to even believe you on that.

[timid oar]

There is also one point that
From the moment low levels can carry resources, the game makes them part of the economic sandbox.
This is a flaw in the game or idk because if you can carry resources, you are legitimate target. If not that would imply that all you have to do is run economic actions via low levels because they have a "special protection" and can not bet targeted.
Stuff like running a crate should make you flagged for pvp. Or as soon as you have a certain amount of resources in your inventory, it should flag you for pvp.

[timber sky]

If i ask someone if they are gay and they dont say no or yes. im not going to assume they are gay. im going to assume they dont wanna talk to me.

[bronze crag]

You didn't though, you were asking me about it and I had no fucking clue what you're on about. Then instead of explaining it, you tell me to go ask my guildmates about it and they too said to have no clue and now you're being made fun of for believing every bad thing you're told about Hentai.

[spice kelp]

@white radish Just want to say that you contradicted yourself here

[bronze crag]

Guilty until proven innocent type shit

[quartz gulch]

You're talking about something you don't actually know much about, and then directing hate toward others. So to me, you’re just another angry kid who’s mad at life.

[quartz gulch]

Still here and still mad 😭 🤣 🏳️‍🌈

[spice kelp]

transformer

[white radish]

Just like you

[quartz gulch]

You are content

To make fun of

[white radish]

Can I get royalties?

[quartz gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266625076250415216/1437410052569829527/image0.gif

[forest steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/kysyttiinnko-kuka-kysy-ei-ole-hiljaa-kysyttiinkö-gif-21270400

@white radish

[timber sky]

All i have to say @white radish is prob start thinking for yourself and dont let your "friends" make you say inncorrect things. A person not denying something isnt an admission of guilt nor is it your place to judge someone on their beliefs Natzi or otherwise. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it does not constitute Slander or Defamation.

[ancient quarry]

I criticised behaviour and systems; you responded with insults and assumptions. If anyone’s directing emotion rather than reasoning here, it isn’t me.

[forest steeple]

Onko sulla kaikki okei Sonja

nähtävästi ei

[white radish]

Kuka vittu on Sonja 😂

[forest steeple]

sori Zonyax

[spice kelp]

I'd drop it, she's in her 30s and going around calling people nazi out of the blue. There's no saving her.

[timber sky]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-i-tried-failed-gif-651108877742286622

[white radish]

Who said I'm in my 30s?

[spice kelp]

You didn't say you're not therefore you are

Right?

https://tenor.com/view/spock-dazzling-display-logic-star-trek-gif-16343803

[white radish]

Might as well be

[scenic jungle]

I mean to be fair you and markiz were making light of a SS of someone saying seig heil followed by the N word. I can see why she might make that connection.

[spice kelp]

Can you please provide a screenshot for context?

[scenic jungle]

Unfortunately not as it was purged along with all evidence of you existing on the private tenok server.

[spice kelp]

Keep on spreading lies then

Always funny when people accuse you of something and tell you it's obvious but for some reason there's never any evidence

[elder belfry]

Reputation needs no evidence, as they say

[spice kelp]

Meanwhile those same people say shit like this when you kill them after they jump your guildies

https://tenor.com/view/kekuwu-kekw-anime-gif-10260786903607553889

[timber sky]

if you have no proof then why bring this up at all? seems like your doing the same thing as Zonyax.

[elder belfry]

Thats a curious accent, I can't quite place it

[timber sky]

if there is no proof it is all here say

If someone i hate puts something in chat i screenshot it right away so i have proof

I am all for pointing out racist people and their actions, " when " i have proof and not just talk out my rear

[elder belfry]

Its all mostly for shock value, mostly idiots thinking its funny

[scenic jungle]

this is true, I probably shouldntve bothered, I also dont hate hentai. Persolly i agree that hentai getting kicked was over the top censorship. but hey it is what it is, andf in this case its a whole lot of content

[quartz gulch]

Lol go simp for jack, maybe one day he will give you his attention 😉

[jolly coral]

you mean this dude being toxic and saying all these bad words towards us ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1453836497093529632/1453836513749237942/image.png?ex=695b6c83&is=695a1b03&hm=f03f37867bbd42a9b77a3d93d83ab337b4dcfef13833dbccf738f33b012a819e&

when we were in the forge farming xp :v

[spice kelp]

Damn Kakuchi pulling out the receipts

[jolly coral]

"im sure u lot did something to him" u gonna say, yeah we wiped the floor with people trying to take our xp spot

[scenic jungle]

ok sound so that is context, when posted in a community discord without contet, you gotta see how it would be taken?

[timber sky]

From what i can tell is that, the Tenok server doesnt like Hentai because they PvX where as most of the server is PvE. I mean come on its a PvX game people are going to have to get over the fact that PvP is apart of it and move on with their lives. Im not saying people have to quit the game nor am i saying hentai needs to switch servers or stop pvping. This is a function of the game, some aspects need alot of work when it comes to PvP. Personally i think they shouldnt have this corruption system because it is horrible.

They need to make PvP punishing yet rewarding because right now it is only punishing and that will kill alot of the player base that enjoys the PvP aspect of the game and it will turn into a crappy version of WoW and will die off.

Having Banter back and forth is nice except when the " butt hurt party " cant move on with their lives and proceed to call other people Nazi's or racist etc...

[jolly coral]

i can see how it could be taken, and this is one of the lies people spread about us, one of many.

[quartz gulch]

Btw the player Naoe are from Grimwood

@scenic jungle so why are you saying such things towards me and my guild mates? Can you please explain yourself?

[scenic jungle]

i currently am? which Adamzz is providing proof for andf I am admiting I took it out of context?

[spice kelp]

"Out of context" screenshot, with a Grimwood member saying it on a Grimwood ran discord on a server where the biggest guild is Grimwood

imagine

[quartz gulch]

Im going to report this to moderation team so they will decide, because my feelings as a jew was hurt.

[spice kelp]

It's as if they can spin anything they want and slander every guild they want then silence them by banning them off of what they call "server discord"

[timber sky]

yeah cant say im a fan of people doing that. unless they break the server rules.

[quartz gulch]

@scenic jungle he supports it

[scenic jungle]

i agree you shouldn't have been kicked from the server discord. also im not in grimwood so how should i know who is? im going to leave it there. hoope everyone is having a good starft to their new yr

[bronze crag]

I didn't even say anything in that discord and got banned just for being in Hentai xd

[dire copper]

is there anywhere i can report a player for suspicion of being a bot?

[bronze crag]

And Revelations guild was banned from that discord for things they said in their own discord

[limpid nova]

do a recording then you'll find on official website a support website

you can open a ticket there

just make sure to have proof

[dire copper]

i would love if the mayor in miraleth put up some commisions for rep with settlement, if there is any of those. or is that impossible?

[white radish]

Don't think there is any. Do buy orders, they are the best source of rep.

[plush wind]

All mayoral commissions reward citizen reputation. If they're not posting anything, that probably means they're low on funds or motivation.

The Settlement UI has been super buggy lately though, where we can't place commissions/buy orders, or even see settlement announcements or pay our taxes. It's rough

According to mine I get a free tax voucher every 15 months or so

[dire copper]

okey, good to know.

[dire copper]

holy moly

[hoary plaza]

Mayoral commission in halcyon didnt reward reputation. Just glint and some XP 🙁

[keen dagger]

never got reputation from a mayoral comision since the last wipe, I was citizen in 2 diferent settlements and did a lot of mayoral comisions

[modern sun]

Joeva SW dead? Did Hentai do some sort of terrorist attack?

[lethal wing]

I just wanted to check my post!

[livid karma]

Server down?

[lethal wing]

it is for me

joeva

[prime cairn]

yeah Joeva is down

[spice kelp]

Yesterday night was a blast thanks for all the sea fights wherever you lost your ships or got away

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/lQHaiErEytEP430D_?invite=cr-MSxlb3ksMTgyNjYxNjgw&v=140

[mighty oracle]

Reminder!

[queen matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[vale knoll]

Does anyone know if Crafting quality potions work atm?

[modern wren]

Servers up?

[hollow granite]

Wtf with server restart?🤣

[cloud stream]

Primetime restart...

[vale sun]

We're up

gogogo

[hollow granite]

Opeeeeeeeen!!

[spice kelp]

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1455685809557475455

[pearl swan]

Does anyone know why cities don't level up?

And the city buffs are gone.

[hollow granite]

It was paused in the last patch due to a bug that caused city bonuses to be applied multiple times, if I remember correctly

[lavish girder]

how does the population feel on this server?

[white radish]

low enough to be able to farm pretty well, not so low so wouldnt find groups
so pretty good imho as someone who escaped lortharias absolute mayhem hell

[lavish girder]

yeah I am about to do the same

[white radish]

its a sweet bliss, heavily recommend

[ruby wagon]

Very valid reason tbf

[daring snow]

LF healer LvL 8-12 XP FARM

[green cove]

Am I blind, or can I only build construction crates in Joeva?

[pure dawn]

Is there something wrong with my end, or there is queon Tenok? Im 63... I was exploring map, got kicked and now Im in qeue?

queue*

[pseudo nacelle]

Server worker died

Joeva... RIP

[weak bone]

Aven's End not feeling to hot either

[light brook]

Hi friends, lmk if you're having issues with a server worker, and if possible, what server worker that is (you have hit page up to see that info)

[radiant brook]

how is the general sentiment on this server compared to Lotharia and Pelune? Is the power division balanced ? would you recommend to create a playthrough here or Tenok?

[bronze crag]

There's 3 big 'alliances' of zerg guilds that all hold hands and despise PvP, then there's a small handful of PvP guilds (2 or 3) that are excommunicated and shunned by said zerg guilds for PvPing in their carebear land.

Tenok is the unofficial RP server.

[timid oar]

Yes the world is really not colonized as it should, it's the least developed server as many just stay playing the "Sims of creation" of the starting zone, that don't accept that the game is PvX and that ban you or cry out loud everytime there is some conflict or any form of hostilit etc

Not to mention that they also control the "official" public tenok server and don't hesitate to ban players thatdo not share those vibes.

However the server is trying to move to break the standstill in different ways, some try to organize events etc to bring some life and different forms of IG content.

[radiant brook]

what do you mean they control the official public tenok server ? u mean discord? i mean they cant ban players from the game right?...right?

[bronze crag]

They made a discord that's supposed to be the community discord for the Tenok server, but they kick people from guilds they don't like just for being in that guild.

[radiant brook]

i see, thanks for the feedback bud

[radiant brook]

I’ve logged ~150+ hours since Steam release on Lotharia and I’m considering a fresh start here, so I’d appreciate some honest input from people actually playing on Tenok. I’m mainly active 18:00–24:00 CET and enjoy sustained PvE grind groups, crates/logistics, and being involved in the economy (gathering → crafting → supplying), but I’m not looking for hardcore guild politics or being locked into fixed roles. For someone who values consistency, cooperation, and having a meaningful economic role over pure meta rushing, would Tenok be a good long-term fit?

[pure dawn]

Well, game is at testing phase. There might be wipe, I dont know if long-term planning is good.

[bronze crag]

There's plenty of PvE/Crafting-only guilds on the server where you'll find cooperation and that MMO social aspect. I don't know how it goes on other servers though but on Tenok there is a lot of organised ganking of mule crate runs. And I'd say the politics are downright toxic between the PvE-only alliances wanting to just cooperate and avoid PvP, and the PvP guilds actively striking against that mentality with ganking and war declarations. (and most of the grudges then being taken to global chat or discord servers)

[radiant brook]

of course, long-term i meant as in until the next wipe or phase xD

[radiant brook]

thank you very much for your input, I appreciate it.

[pure dawn]

Well, its social mmo. Find a guild. Keep with people u like.

[radiant brook]

Since I already played in the Riverlands on Lotharia with four characters, I’m leaning toward starting in the Anvils this time for a fresher experience. I heard that Tenok has almost 0 Anvils progression. Being occupied by one of the more toxic guilds on the server, so it may not be a good time to start there. Does anybody have any feedback about this?

[bronze crag]

It's really hard to level the early levels in Anvils from my experience. Riverlands is far more streamlined. And yea the node progression is a bit behind in Anvils but there's at least towns now so it's not that bad. Currently two of the towns are owned by that zerg guild, a third was recently taken by a PvP guild so it's not a very safe region for packs either.

[spice kelp]

Depends what you consider "toxic". People call you "toxic" on Tenok for just engaging in PVP. You gank a fishing boat on open waters (lawless) ? Toxic. You declare a war on a guild that has been talking shit all day. Toxic because they're a PVE-only guild. You go corrupt on somebody who's trying to grind over your or keeps stealing your hunting mobs? Toxic. You refuse to go corrupt on someone just because they tell you to go corrupt on them if you have the balls while 30 of their members are next to them? Toxic.

You corrupt on a crate runner running 3x epic packs? Oh my, you may as well be a certain not-particularly liked austrian individual from mid 1900s.

[fleet kettle]

I do like that you took for granted your guild is the toxic one so nice to have settled that. But from what I have heard most of the real toxic players got banned for just that, toxic behaviour?

[bronze crag]

All he said was that others consider playing the game as a PvPer toxic, not that it by definition is toxic.

And no one from our guild got banned afaik. None of the above mentioned are against any rules or ToS, just legitimately using the PvP game mechanics as flawed as they are.

The rumours about us conducting in rule breaking behaviour are just that, rumours. And dare I say, projecting. As we've proof (and hard suspicions based on events) of the loudest of them engaging in it themselves; from using slurs and nazi salutes to duping.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

[fallen cypress]

** Rule reminder: Utilize channels for their purpose **

See pinned post in each channel for discussion topics.

Realm and guild rivalry conversations belong in the arena of words channels. Please continue these conversations in #na-arena-of-words or #eu-arena-of-words

[spice kelp]

Server politics are very relevant and very important for new players trying to make a decision on what server to play on though

[urban loom]

Hey man.

Dunno why you insist with your guild to smear guilds like GrimWood who are testing as main directive the world economy on EA.
If I had the intention to see what PvP would be like... I would have gone to Lot...
But yeah, hope your tests are letting you learn stuff cause I'm not seeing it.

If you call 20 lvl 25's with max drop gear vs 40 lvl 15 - 20 GvG PvP.
Then it's a valid statement for sure.

If you call a dude at your level insulting for no reason and then relogs on his 25 to mobtrain cause you invaded the imaginary party grindspot.
Yeah you are right with your statement.

If you call grieving a low new player doing ignorantly caravan run from Joeva ot Aevens end with one crate and demanding 'gold randsom' PvP.
Yeah your statement is correct.

I have to see even one vid of the Tenok PvP community of GvG's between eachother. I would honestly like to see them cause I'm neutrally intrested in it as an too old guy keep coping with the way hardcore pvp plays (sadly tho, cause i enjoyed it soo much for several decades). All I have found is some snipe vids of clueless ppl, some mobtraining to level fellow pvp'ers and best Cleric EU chopping trees for hours on end. But if you call that PvP yeah your statement is right again.

If you call a guild that had to open some more ingame guilds to dim down to one after the hype, a zerg ...hmm ok that part of your statement is true then. It is however how professional game developers handle servers at a hype start. But nvm that statement of yours is right again.

Guess you are right and your guild is hardcore PvP community afterall.

My bad.

[urban loom]

I always did my homework in any mmo before I went to a server and leveled up. I went in to community discords before beta's and took the feel for it then joined a clan, company or guild got assigned a cop and just went hardcore all in pvp... never missed the community appointed pvp server of any mmo I played. But then again I'm obviously not a pvp player.

BTW your ganking, grieving or other ingame actions dont bother me, that's just part of the game mechanics one has to deal with. I just get triggered by the pvp statements...

[spice kelp]

Irrelevant

[urban loom]

Yes you are... in pvp community . Good of you to finally notice that and we can agree you are just a small scale ganker and griever

[spice kelp]

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/lR1WJdJig-GssZxGR?invite=cr-MSx4MVAsMjgwMjAyMzI4

Stop being disingenuous when majority of our fights are mass pvp fights against guilds that actually PVP. Like Revian, MoE and BLACKLISTED.

[urban loom]

That's nice you have 'some' group organisation but come on man,,, you have one clip of 58s of 20+ vs 10'ish ... honestly give me some GvG's of those pvpguilds you are talking about ... mass pvp stop it bro. Pls stop it, I feel so bad my PC can't handle real pvp fights recording and fighting it in the passed.

[spice kelp]

Just wasting my time with you, you cannot even count

[urban loom]

Yeah ok, we agree you and your guild are truly a real pvpcommunity... I'm sure I missed a beat on mytrics here and there.

[spice kelp]

"missed a beat"
You’re being deliberately disingenuous. Not missing a beat.

[white radish]

Maybe y'all should stop being a bunch of gankers if you don't want the reputation of a bunch of gankers

[urban loom]

Ok lets go you triggered me again cause pvp is hard work dedication and discipline and you are doing short on the ppl that actually do that in this mmo or others. They are semi professonal, it's like playing soccer on a high amature league but not pro. You seem (important to notice this verbe) to think you are that but you dont show it. You show ganking and griefing as pretty much most of your playstyle to this community on Tenok and that's fine (very important to notice this 4 words), but if it walks like a duck, quacks like duck and looks like a duck... dont call it a swan.

Now I decided to spend time to tell you why I do not give you the courtesy of calling your guild a pvp guild according to this clip. Cause I'm sure you honestly think you are (I do think that).

I count your raid at 21 and well look at the picture I did type 10'ish not 10. I dont think one does a GvG 21v21 to give you the benefit of the doubt for balance. So I think this is just a simple organic fight and not an organised GvG cause WHY in the name of the good lord would you do that on a bridge. Now the clip is short and basic Your PvP playstyle analitics can be off agreed you gave me 58s to work with. Anything else on his account is Throne and liberty, the mmo that pvp community ignored of P2W and very unbalanced for a finished game. But ok ... let's stay on track. I dont see the tank blocking your core group and them peeling you off on their side of the bridge... They pushed in vs numbers ... but smart of you to let them do that agreed. They should not have done that. The clip is (again) 58 seconds so dont know where in the fight this is either. But I dont see them targeting your healer. And I'm sure they have no clue who your shotcaller is. Cause they are not looking for him. They just random spread fire and aoe, much like you do. I guess one of them shouted out in discord 'It's all good guys I blocked them in the gate'... I dont ever see any funneling and peeling at any time while you have plenty of tools in that group no? Considering numbers i see (not those you say) it's valid not needing to peel tho. I hardly see focus fire xept on one tank dude that thought he was hercules or something... you can take this clip to other pvp players but I'm sure they will say the same thing to you. I just state what i can see in the 58s clip.

[jolly coral]

oh we are so sorry for playing the game 😢

[urban loom]

I agree with you on that 300% you play within the game mechanics and ppl should adjust accordingly or undergo it.. But at times you dont keep it in the game and that's not done. That and sorry you haven't show me any evidence of being pvp'ers is what triggers me at times. What you do ingame is valid and ppl should organise better... I actually like the actions but I dont like the banter back and forth (that's two way, important to read this) in global... . The only thing I really say on discord when we are ganked or griefed is: let's go elsewhere and dont reply on them.

[jolly coral]

As you should,
and about the banters , that's what makes the game has taste, not go as far as death threats. but some banter is actually not that bad, after all its just a game.
the recording was a 1min small showcase of what we did that day.
which turned into a 40/50 vs our 23 raid. which was fun asf.

[urban loom]

Why only a 58s clip man... and nothing else on the account.. doesn't make sense. Pls give me that footage I will get popcorn and love it... if the fight makes sense cause we used to 50 raid vs 200 and wipe casuals to get to the real fight in halconya, kraken, hasla, Joona ... etc. Organising GvG's and in New World I did 3 wars almost a day for a long time. PvX in GrimWood stands for we welcome all sorts of player to see if it's a nice place to hang and spend time. Many come and then there are that go (mostly after leeching) ... we do not call GrimWood PvP guild nor do we call it a PvE or PvPvE guild, we are just all flavors. So stop calling us what you want us to be. I already love the ppl in the guild and how they handle things... I'm an neutral good person... but dont touch my kids (in other words, there is a line where i start caring).

And BTW I think banter is just stupid and making a fool of yourself by typing dumb things... but that's just me.

[ember wyvern]

@radiant brook so yeah the above "discussion" happens every other hour

[timid oar]

it's a healthy discussion to be frank as the game doesn't tell anyone what it actually is, there are many ways to play it and different players find fun in different mechanics of the game.

However the issue is not to force any opinion or narrative of "how" you should play the game on anyone else, and this was abused in the community/fan so called discord by griwood guild, and that then lead to players getting banned for playing pvp or even doing RP about politics lol from that discord. The soft power that created a self reinforcing loop of echo chambers coming from that discord is then facing realities in game when they get killed or when their crates get destroyed. Why ? Because they live in a bubble, that discord has ZERO pvp content, ZERO videos of pvp content, ZERO channels for posting or doing anything about that part of the game, it's only about "crafting and survival building".

That's one of the main points of frictions, you can't control the narrative on that discord, because it is meant to be welcoming for everyone.

This now was played into escalation and is becoming a casus bellis for players to have even more pvp content. The mods like nightsong from grimwood and more need to come with a clear plan to propose a new set of rules in that discord to allow for more opinions on the game to be shared and discussed rather than systematically banning everyone that is not sharing that vibe. And if the goal of that discord is not about welcoming the many facets of players, then state it clearly; do not call it "Tenok", rename it to something else, "Tenok PVE community", "Tenok cozy gameplay" etc

It is reminded that the rules there are 4 lines written by the original GM of grimwood and enforced by the same that have a conflict of interest. Mods have to be automated, rules have to be transparent, mechanics of appeal have to exist. If you are lazy then just rename it i guess.

[urban loom]

I'm a fan of your RP, you know that but you are really off now... To go banter or playing RP in a guild discord that lets you in without restriction in the general chat of it ... doesn't make it oblivious to your "banter" there. You seem so smart and witty and you don't get that? If you want neutral ground and speak your mind within ToS rules... this is the place. Nowhere else.

BTW PvP talk happens in another channel of that discord... and again we never said we were PvP nor PvE nor PvPvE focussed. We are a PvX guild how hard is that to understand?

[timid oar]

yes i aggree with you, however im not talking about the guild discord but the community discord that happens to be an extension of that same guild.
From testing the alpha politics; grabbing claim of the community discord and call in it "Tenok" for all is then just a way to exerce soft power on everyone; which again is a legitmate move, but resistance to it is also legitimate 😄

im certain that the same scenarios will happen on the beta launch and even on the final game launch

[urban loom]

It's not an extension of that same guild, the creator of the both servers is the same person for sure. More ppl (I'm guessing) have prolly more rights then you and me. I would rather treat it as an alliance discord with guests, that would make sense. And the alliance is doing an economic focussed test/approach on EA. What is wrong with it? If you are banned from that discord It wasn't him, he said that and he's not a liar. You told me earlier in DM and I chose not to respond to that... cause well I like what you do... and I think you are wrong on that regard. So with you ... let's agree to disagree and I have been typing here way too much.. even others will gadly agree on that.. maybe put some vomit and clowns down here and there later on lol. I dont know the plans of my guild or it's alliance on beta or launch... not my concern. Dunno why it's yours.

And yes I know what Hentai members typed but after those particular banns there were still Hentai tagged accounts in discord.. They weren't all banned just because. .. dont know the reason why some were... . I'm just a member of a guild that uses facts.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-policia-police-doofy-gif-18842974

[timid oar]

Nothing is wrong with having an alliance guild,
But it can not be named "Tenok", because it's deceiving and misleading. You can rename it to "Tenok economic community" or idk but there is a big big issue with naming it "Tenok" and advertising for it as the "Server's discord" as already explained.
It makes the players who join it and see the activites there think that's all the content of the game when in reality it just a porition of what the game is about. And then everyone is surprised when they loose their crates come on.

[urban loom]

There we go ... and they call themselves a pvp community

[urban loom]

It could be better named yeah.. agree on that but still any 'fansite' is just a 'fansite'... Try going RP on Taylor Swift fan discord calling her a bad singer only thing she does is playback... that would be ... well i wouldn't want to be you at that point 😆

[timid oar]

We basically aggree from that example and discussion that you can not say anything against that discord owners views. We can leave it here it's very much clear who is censoring and controls the narratives.

[spice kelp]

"You guys are not a PVP guild" "Waaaaaaaah, Waaaaah"

https://tenor.com/view/bebezinho-little-baby-crying-sad-tearing-up-gif-15419141

[timid oar]

And no Taylor switf is an amazing singer how dare you

[urban loom]

Hahahaha yes she is sir... just dont like the music style 😆
Damn almost 10 years on discord and this was my first block.

[bronze crag]

I didn't even mention Grimwood but it seems you know it's you lot I'm talking about with the fake rumours while shouting slurs and nazi salutes yourselves.

Still waiting on proof of the 'abuse outside the game' you DMd me about. I already said we don't condone that and we'll deal with it if you can provide proof, but nothing.

We'll continue playing the game the way we enjoy it, even if you don't approve and only see it as 'toxic ganking'. Cry about it or move on.

And if you really want to see real PvP content like group fights, wars and naval battles.. you're just in the wrong guild. You won't find it holed up in Joeva, but it's happening all around and we're usually at the center of it.

Do better research next time ig. Or don't waste your time 'cause there won't be an (un)official RP server without PvPers unknowingly joining it.

[bronze crag]

Also that war was 20 vs 37, we won the first two battles without casualties but ended up losing the war 89-100 to poor decissions in terms of choosing terrain and missing embers.

We learned a lot from that and had a blast. Meanwhile you complain that you're not seeing it and only get ganked or whatever. Get out there and experience it yourself then, no one's keeping you from content like that.

[urban loom]

You brought that here .. I brought it to him... he wants it to go and stay away. That's his decision not mine.
Show me the vids so I can enjoy it on Tenok content itself, pls man! Do!
But not one guy on a fisherboat with clueless ppl or a boat with 10 vs a boat with 5..
I looked at youtube, medal.tv Twitch ... if you have links, pls give them.
I'm not a banter or w/e person... should rly know that by now
I'm not complaining I get ganked or w/e.
I saw a 58s clip and asked for more cause that would be fun to see.
I was in Jew4Life, booze, Evoken, Phk, Iron, Soulslayers CoM and might have missed one or two dunno.
So yeah I know what a pvp community is and wasn't looking to join the pvp oriented server or guild in this game.

[bronze crag]

Sorry, brought what here? Missing some context.

As for PvP oriented server, brother you joined a PvP oriented game. And you say you're not complaining but what's with the wall of text you sent me about ganking and insulting(?). You get upset that we gank mules, I'd be more upset to let them inflate the economy with easy no-risk content.

Your resume of former guilds means nothing to me, especially when I've not seen you PvP once. You're asking us for clips, go make 'em yourself if you're such a veteran. Or go retire quitely on a game where it actually makes sense to, like Stardew Valley and not a PvX MMORPG where the PvP aspects of ganking you've grown to hate so much are ultimately unavoidable.

[fallen cypress]

** Rule reminder: Utilize channels for their purpose **

See pinned post in each channel for discussion topics.

Realm and guild rivalry conversations belong in the arena of words channels. Please continue these conversations in #na-arena-of-words or #eu-arena-of-words

[bronze crag]

Well, I tried.

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-insane-going-insane-government-gov-gif-8084523069260760244

[mint marsh]

[spice kelp]

Can we have a server specific beef channel?

[bronze crag]

That'd be nice.

Can just use the Free Tenok discord but they won't join

[prime dew]

You would be the only ones in there and it would be sad for you

[bronze crag]

Let me just plug this here..

[mint marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/sharpening-knife-bobby-hicks-preparing-my-knife-getting-ready-to-slice-gif-27307236

[bronze crag]

We had a whole argument there last night with the Shorefoot guild leader tho 🤔

[spice kelp]

I don't want to beef with people from other servers in #eu-arena-of-words I just want to beef with other tenokians

[prime dew]

No I meant the beef channel here not your den of seediness

[mint marsh]

people use the arena to beef with each other, its not server specific, just beefing.

Beef is beef, aient no different

[bronze crag]

So you're avoiding the designated channel because you want to avoid us, but you're still starting beef in this channel..

[prime dew]

I was being nice

I said it would be sad if you were alone there

Not beefing

Xxx

[spice kelp]

Wouldn't be alone if roadkill was there

[prime dew]

I avoid those channels because it's a bummer

[spice kelp]

he's attracted to it like moth to a flame

[prime dew]

Oh I saw him here not dad beef channel

And he is not being unfactual

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-train-conductor-bell-aboard-gif-8993928059447324972

[prime dew]

But I guess it's all perspective

Yukki why jump to name calling

We were just chatting

[spice kelp]

I didn't call you anything

I can now call you a professional victim though

[prime dew]

Ew you post delulu and that's not name calling, you are fascinating and then added to that you name call me again and use narcissistic behaviours and language to curb me and redirect. Cool

Bless you

[spice kelp]

It's a meme for delulu train departing

[bronze crag]

I think Yukki is just sticking to the facts here though, nothing wrong with that.

[prime dew]

Oh dear you too

Bless you both

Lunch over gentle folks chat again xx

[spice kelp]

You lot really love to run smear campaign against me and my guildies huh?

Good luck though, words don't hurt

[timid oar]

when the game launches we will need more channels because every server will have their own conflicts and we can't use the same channel accross all servers 😄

[atomic sapphire]

We don't fight civilians. If you're in the anvils, and haven't been aggressive towards us, we won't mess with you. No fun in fighting level 12 fishers, or level 15 crate runners. We actively run escort missions if you reach out.
Anvils is great for early level experience, and we'd love to see you in the anvils. It's a great experience.
Watch out for a few guilds (you'll learn their name) that gank crate runners, and mercilessly kill low level fishers / train mobs or bait flagging.

[modern sun]

35 members? So you couldn't even persuade your whole guild to join this one then? 😂

[bronze crag]

All Hentai members are in Hentai discord. 🙂

Unlike the tyranny in some other guilds, we don't force people to or ban them from interacting with other people. 🤔

[modern sun]

Not quite sure what you are referencing there but sounds like there's some trauma involved.

[bronze crag]

On their end maybe. 'No Hentai' is met with a lot of Hentai. 🙃

[crimson parcel]

This is good approach.
Personally, I think you are a bit too much tolerant because you tolerate people who automate combat via macros.
(Tahlkora boasting on voice about using macros for summon pet tank kiting mobs and for automating casts to "increase DPS")

But kudos for toning down toxicity both in game and in discord a little bit.

Current level of your banter (not you personally fallon, you expend effort towards sounding polite, guild overall) is still a bit too much for my taste, but improvement in tone is obvious.

I don't read hentais calling other people slaves, dogs, telling others they will follow them everywhere and not let them play the game, mother insults.

[spice kelp]

@mighty oracle Two level 10s flying from Durghrum to Sunhaven on T3 mules, both level 10 using the flying hacks. MTKing and yyoo

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/lScULD2e1bXtkGvVg?invite=cr-MSxIaWgsMzI3MTk0MjM1&v=15

[crimson parcel]

I hope they make server authoritative eventually, kinda worrying that clients are still trusted in this age...

[bronze crag]

Tahlkora isn't Hentai anymore. But either way we don't tolerate any cheating so if they were I'd ask again for proof.

[crimson parcel]

Yeah, can't really prove that somebody is using automation instead of playing.
I don't record voice chats, that is kinda bad thing to do.

[bronze crag]

I disagree, and either way without proof we're not just believing all of these outlandish rumours.

[ember wyvern]

@timid oar i cant be online friday, but i look forward to hearing what you guys had in store 🙂

[timid oar]

The final night of redemption has passed in silence.

Now we stand tall and speak boldly. For when the gates open, the voices of Tenok will be freed, and a stronger world will be born.

Divine justice will now descend upon Sanctus, shaped into Casus Bellis.

Let it be known to all that Grimwood and Raslag are the enemies of freedom.

Let it be known to all that Grimwood and Raslag have instrumentalised the name of Tenok to their own gains of domination. Illegitimately.

Let it be known to all that Grimwood and Raslag have defied the creation's law, arrogantly.

The deceivers have unmasked themselves, and refused the salvation that was kindly presented to them for seven days and seven nights.

Therefore, excommunication will strike at Dawn, and doom shall be endured until justice has been restored, through fire.

Seal their roads. Empty their caravans. Show them the blade.

Excommunication removes all shelter. Under its circumstances, all acts are permitted. Justice is unbound.

Tenok is for all. Free Tenok.

[weak bone]

This reads like some roleplaying stuff.

[crimson parcel]

False prophets.
Murderers, brigands, thieves.
Talking about legitimacy and law of creation.

Their hands bloodied since dawn of the era.

In each era, they have proven beyond any doubt that trusting them is huge mistake.
Abusers, exploiters, gankers.
Violent bullies.

Your cheap insults, calling us slaves, dogs, subhumans or talking about honors of our mothers.
Or threatening our bodies on worlds outside of Verra.

We have learned to live not only with your hate.
But also with your main goal being the ruin of someone's day.

Across the eras and laws of the universes you have cheated and you have abused.
From duping crates and red wall caravans to exploiting the holes in corruption system.
Be it thorns bug or the flying mount or whatever new gimmick is available.
From abusing locations and events with unbalanced drops.
To tricking people with newbie's settings into getting corrupted by sacrificing your mounts.

Yes, yes, we know your usual pathetic excuse.
"If the gods did not want this, they would not make it possible".

It is as pathetic as your desperate need to win against weaker enemies.
Be they groups or individuals.
We know that wartorn copies of Verra are too much for you, because you are weak.

Universe is still being created, and rules that govern it are being changed.
Perhaps the gods want you to stop having fun since they take away your joy in ruining days of others whenever they can?

We will not be bullied into leaving the world of Verra.
Some have learned to resist the hate of silly evils.
Some ignore it.
And some laugh at it.

We won't let your blizzard turn the Verra into empty wasteland.

[mighty oracle]

Reminder!

[timber sky]

any ideas on whats being done?

[true path]

i love this names of those chinese people, yyoo LOL and then u see a guy with such name flying above you. The best chinese name players are Coolguy or chillgame or goodguy

[quartz gulch]

Holly, you are still mad and still crying

https://tenor.com/view/cavif-cavifax-gif-3330778137757269524

[iron shore]

Oracle of the Seven—
You mistake silence for repentance, and restraint for fear.

You proclaim a final night of redemption, yet offer only an ultimatum dressed as mercy. Redemption that expires on your timetable is not salvation—it is conquest with a halo nailed on crooked.

You speak of Divine Justice, yet forge it into Casus Belli with mortal hands. Know this: when justice must announce itself so loudly, it is already lying.

You name Grimwood and Raslag enemies of freedom, while declaring that all acts are permitted. There it is—the viper’s truth laid bare. Freedom does not survive where absolution is weaponized and law is bent to fit desire. You do not free Tenok; you collar it.

You accuse others of instrumentalising a name, while invoking Tenok as a war-chant, a license to burn roads and empty caravans. The irony coils so tightly it nearly strangles you. Tenok is not your banner, Oracle. It is not your cudgel. It does not belong to councils, sevens, or self-anointed judges.

You claim the deceivers have unmasked themselves.
No—you have.

Seven days and seven nights of “salvation” offered at blade-point is not grace. It is extortion sanctified by repetition. Fire that demands gratitude is still fire.

You declare excommunication and say all shelter is removed. Then hear this, and hear it well:

The Malefic Viper needs no shelter.
We thrive in the open, where threats are honest and enemies declare themselves.

Seal roads if you must. We do not march—we shed.
Empty caravans. We do not trade—we take.
Show the blade. We were born beneath it.

Justice unbound is not justice—it is hunger. And hunger always overreaches.

Tenok is for all, you say.
Then release it. Step back. Let it choose.

Until then, every fire you light will cast a longer shadow, and in that shadow the coils will tighten.

We do not ask for salvation.
We do not kneel for forgiveness.
And when dawn comes, Oracle—

—do not mistake the quiet for surrender.

[tawny junco]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[quartz gulch]

YeahXiny... are he autistic? Or he cannot follow the discussion properly?

[tawny junco]

Seems like the rest of the guild agrees with him

[spice kelp]

with as in against not side by side

[ember wyvern]

Tenok new RP server?

[sick flame]

Is there any english guild based on shorefoot I can join?

[fringe charm]

Lets do our master outpost jewelry guys

[ember wyvern]

Cannibals Unite (iirc) seems to be pushing Shorefoot

@vernal horizon

[shy stump]

when you ask for help, receive it and then a few days later start pking mules in the guild you asked for help with - no one cares about who's in an alliance or what, it's just weak behavior

[vernal horizon]

Yes. We are a Pirate guild focused mostly on Gathering and PvP

[bronze crag]

Just seems like a shit misunderstanding to me. Thought it was clear that for Hentai there are no allies or NAPs, we can support each other with votes and intell, and be on good terms as two PvP guilds. But would expect a PvP guild to understand that we still want to fight anyone in the server, yous included. If anything I'm counting on better fights vs yous than any of the socialist guilds and I for one was looking forward to it.

I don't see why a ganked mule run has to turn amicable relations sour between two PvP guilds no less.

[spice kelp]

Where's the "we're going to be allies and not fight each other part"?

As Fallon mentioned above, we were very clear to everyone on the server that we will not be forming alliances or NAPs as that simply means less content for us

Also just fyi both your members actually died to mobs they pulled themselves 🤣

[shy stump]

I agree to disagree. Where I come from and how I live my life is that if you ask for help there is a voluntarily reciprocation of respect. We didn't have this conversation discussing the terms of why we were going to help you, you frankly just asked me if I could do something for you and I wanted to help.

Personally, if I were in your shoes I would feel it on my conscious if I did something like that to someone who has helped me. I'm not offended or anything, your perspective is very clear and now I know. It is just a misunderstanding.

[spice kelp]

Only thing on my conscience is that two of your members got away with their packs

[bronze crag]

We've never shown you or your guild any disrespect, and honestly I don't see how voting for one another equates to a non-verbal agreement to a mule NAP. Especially since Yukki's been very clear about our stance since the start, no alliances, no NAPs, 'we look forward to fighting with yous'.

[tawny junco]

It's always nice for you to have misunderstandings, cause merc alliance is getting some free members from you.

[bronze crag]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-talking-on-the-phone-gif-9299946233689426

[tawny junco]

Ask @shy stump. He knows his members I think.

His ex members*

[vernal horizon]

Getting spicy in here

[spice kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EWvQqZi9o

[prime dew]

Grimcocks ew, much prefer care bears

[white radish]

What in the name of absolute fucking yikes ass cringe is that

[spice kelp]

It's something you've never experienced as a child, entertainment

[white radish]

If you call this entertainment then I think you're projecting

So cringe I physically flinch

[spice kelp]

That's actually funny coming from someone with pronouns in their bio 🤣

[white radish]

What's wrong with that?

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/kekuwu-kekw-anime-gif-10260786903607553889

[white radish]

Yes... Continue. I'm sure you can muster up a sentence.

Bros so invested he's digging through my profile 💀

[white radish]

You want me to print that out for you?

Boo hoo mean lady said my cringe video is cringe :(((

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/black-giraffe-trans-stare-look-gif-7998796178306858558

[quartz gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kekuwu-kekw-anime-gif-10260786903607553889

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-trap-anime-sailor-moon-gif-13288418

[normal prawn]

whole server down?

[spice kelp]

Servers are up and running fine

[misty narwhal]

9ms to the world server 😮

must be down the street from here

[tawny junco]

Yikes @shy stump another bites the dust from your guild as it seems, and he was not that happy for the direction your guild was taking 😵

[shy stump]

I hope it works out for all of you 👍

[plush wind]

Damn I've been up since dawn yesterday waiting on a reckoning that never came. I need to sleep.

[white radish]

Wait all that spamming for nothing? 🤡

[thorn valley]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-look-the-other-way-look-away-awkward-weird-gif-17246188

[weak bone]

How did the RP event go?

[timid oar]

we are winning

[white radish]

I thought you're not a part of hentai?

[timid oar]

why do you say that? is hentai the only one winning? Thus your conclusions?
Look around, check joeva income and population before and after, youll understand who is winning
Free tenok !

[jolly coral]

Living rent free in y’all head

Kekw

[white radish]

Sorry I have a job

I'm assuming by the lack of cringe videos posted that your rp was all talk

[ember wyvern]

yeah it does seem to be like that

bit disappointed

[iron shore]

bot has been in halls of judication for about 4 hours

[thorn valley]

attack them... if they attack you back, kill them! and take their loot

https://tenor.com/view/rage-pooh-gif-11332432

[spice kelp]

Using "i have a job" as an excuse in a community full of 30 year olds is wild.

[bronze crag]

Tbf it's hard to fight a dead guild. I haven't seen any Grimwood or Raslag around in 4-5 days. Then again I haven't been sitting in Joeva either so maybe they're just holed up in there still.

[white radish]

Oh yes y'all are 'adults with a job and children'

What a fearsome thought

[spice kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

[white radish]

https://tenor.com/view/nayeon-ijbol-laughing-funny-twice-nayeon-gif-2803525141288973392

[daring snow]

LFG OAKBANE FARM

[quartz gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829666925336068126/942733924528971786/rato.gif

[daring snow]

LFG OAKBANE FARM mage lvl 13

[timber sky]

how do we use ??

[daring snow]

LFG OAKBANE FARM

[charred stag]

I think it's for enchanting

[prime dew]

It's a scribe item used in a certain recipy

[green cove]

<@&542059693779058748>

[simple vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/332628042105094164/1457720736767803462/image.png?ex=6964f0ba&is=69639f3a&hm=82f6fb8352b581e6f71df8faa563b01212ec1aed3b2461f11f90d92072e12373&

where can i farm Rootforged

or is it only crafting?

[forest steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306448316500148224/1457163711008604324/3636633636d.mp4?ex=6966de75&is=69658cf5&hm=ce225cbce42cfbdf809482a41ac9178262005a9f1ee1e8bac7502e26c5156b93&

[spice kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EWvQqZi9o

[white radish]

Y'all need to post new content

[teal arrow]

another bot

[thin hill]

character named asfree has been selling gold for maybe 2 weeks by now, noticed when started an alt

[timid oar]

The new Church of the Seven offers solemn praise to those who enact and uphold the Sacra Voluntas of the ancients.

In accordance with Divina Proclamatio XXVI.III, ratified under Actio DCCXCVIII.IV.

The excommunicated Grimwood and Raslag and their allies continue to stand formally condemned within the lands of Verra, and by your honourable actions their heresy and defiance are met with Justitia Sacra.

The fractures within their profane covenant widen. False bonds decay, and weakness reveals itself before the light of the Seven.

Stand not within Rasbald's Joeva, nor lend voice, blade, or shelter to the deceivers.

Where land kisses the sea and the tides bear silent witness,
To the sun-scoured expanses where sand and sky are forged in trial,
To the verdant jungles where life coils thick beneath the Guardians’ gaze,
And to the high mountains where stone rises in solemn prayer toward the heavens.

Verra begins to heal,
The balance of the world begins its slow return to the design of Creation.

[crimson parcel]

Hentai forgot to turn of the bot lol

[white radish]

i wonder which one of them is so invested in rp they even made a separate disc acc for this

[timid oar]

don't forget there is also an entire website you can find on my profile

[white radish]

sorry not invested enough to dig through yalls disc profiles lmao

is that a virus?

[timid oar]

yes truth is a virus for some

[fluid coyote]

no way u guys still crying about Hentai 🤣

[spice kelp]

24/7 🤣

[fluid coyote]

thats insane

hahaha

[charred stag]

It would be boring without any pvp

[white radish]

Sure it would, but ganking low lvls ain't pvp

[timid oar]

low levels can run crates and transport materials,

if you make them totally immune then the economy is broken

• yu can run crates on your alts to make money for your main
• you can transport your legendary materials on your alt

Therefore bypassing the risk reward concept of an economy based mmo sandbox.

In an economy sandbox, if you transport materials and is able to make money from fishing and crates or caravans, then loosing your mats is part of the game loop no ?

What is your concrete suggestion here? How would you trade the risk mechanics of the game against less pvp ? Remove the ability for low levels to transport materials, fishing and crates? Cap the quality of items they can transport?

[ember wyvern]

It's not like they're hanging out in the Riverlands still? I've barely seen any Hentai around in forever, only in towns, think they've moved on to pvp'er pastures

I've heard rumours of them attacking fishing boats in the tropics, which is a good place to be when you're up for pvp

[timid oar]

You guys are not even ready for when sieges drop and you loose your bank items to sieges. Should we also remove sieges from the game? What's the plan

[ember wyvern]

Goddamn i want node destruction to be in so badly, i hate the layout of the current environment x.x

[timid oar]

Yes me too but many players suffer from psychological loss aversion where they simply reject any loss emotionally because Losing time/resources hurts more than gaining the same amount... A lot of players don't understand the game mechanics and loops and have a serious expectation mismatch.

[ember wyvern]

eh, its normal to get upset at the idea of losing something you put hours into collecting and putting together, even if you rationally knew it was a real possibility from the start

Despite me wanting to shake up the layout of the nodes, i'd prob flip my desk if i lost all of the resources i dumped in Mira (because Somebody had the bright idea to put LW all the way over tehre -_-)

[timid oar]

Yep exactly it's part of the game,

It's the idea and risk of loosing your assets that should push the players to collaborate on defending their nodes etc

The entire idea is to build social interactions and relations to minimise the risks from alliances, protection of trade routes and policing of areas under their sphere of infulence but instead the players just go for the easy way of rejecting some forms of pvps loudly on discord and hope that the devs change the core of the game the allow for "PVE servers" or some other shit because they are lazy to fight for their farm spots and trade routes.

Ashes as a PVE game will have no soul

[ember wyvern]

I mean, i basically play it as a PvE game and i have a lot of fun, but its not really, it's PvX, and i take that in account when i travel and when i encounter strangers in contested areas

my poor heart when i was transporting epic and legendary materials through open ocean, i was terrified 😂

[charred stag]

playing a game without risks can't be fun, right? :D

[bronze crag]

It's mostly SiegeFive that does the Oak ganking lately but Hentai will always take the blame for every low level dying
Not that we don't have anyone farming Oak groups through, it's just easy money if players allow it but at the same time it's easy enough to avoid giving them anything. Just skill issue or lack of patience.

There's also just not a lot of end game PvP content rn. You can argue that the entire ocean is lawless but a lot of skills don't work properly on the water, making ocean fights rather frustrating. And the few lawless islands are usually empty. Meanwhile everyone sits on Korrin doing crabs and completely avoiding any PvP even if it means they have to split and take 2 crabs per group. Most groups I've seen there just try to corruption bait instead of fight over the resource.

The only few real fights we get is when we gank fishing boats and if we're lucky they'll call on their guild for support so it turns into a real fight.

[scenic jungle]

They really need to remove XP debt from pvp to encourage pvp over farm spots and during leveling.

[ember wyvern]

I hang out in the tropics a lot and I've done farming both solo and in group on the pvp farm spot islands and the only guilds i've ever seen competing for the spots are the MERC alliance guilds (./shakefist :p) and some occasional small guilds we're not familiar with

You guys arent looking around a lot it seems 🙂

[bronze crag]

Corruption is the issue more than the xp debt. Why fight back when they stand to lose more when you don't?

[bronze crag]

I'd like to know when and where exactly. Best luck we have finding people is fishing boats just outside what we lovingly named 'New Freedich'. We scout the ocean every day at least once in the evening but usually it's only people at Korrin or the occasional fishing boat outside New Freedich or coming out of Anvils. 🤔

[ember wyvern]

the entire southern tropics is good farming for high levels and there are plenty of people around there, if you want to fight other pvpers i ehard Siegfive is doing the same thing you're doing in the tropics, in the jungle, so maybe you guys can go fight each other over fishing boat loot while they carefull scuttle off while you're fighting :p

[scenic jungle]

I think for a lot of players who might not be as pvp focused the fear of xp debt rather than corruption and slowing down the leveling experience is stopping them from flagging up. I might be completely wrong on this point. But I hope more would be inclined to jump in.

Also I heard that on release corruption would not ramp up so fast, ATM during alpha it is supposedly ramped up to the max. Not seen the source for this info though.

[crimson parcel]

Bad suggestion.
I mean idea is good, but both of those groups are not looking for interesting fights.
It is just two different groups with main goal being ganking and annoying other people.

If you read phrasing carefully:

The only few real fights we get is when we gank fishing boats and if we're lucky they'll call on their guild for support so it turns into a real fight.
They want people to come where they are, ideally as a weaker group so they can win in "pvp".

[ember wyvern]

Fair point, I have been feeling like they manage to always come up with excuses as to why they can't pvp 🙂

[crimson parcel]

I mean, of course they can't find pvp in ocean.
Every time I am in Joeva I see so many people from their guild.

None of the ideas of actually looking around or even starting a caravan and saying

8 overgeared people caravan is going from Joeva to Miraleth", come and fight us!

[bronze crag]

wym southern tropics? Jungle region? That's not lawless though, people don't fight if it's not lawless, they just corruption bait so there's no real fight. Imo all of the tropics, jungle and desert should be lawless at this stage.

[ember wyvern]

I can tell you're not one of those scouts you mentioned earlier 😂

[bronze crag]

xp debt is honestly not so bad, one death is like 3 mob kills to get rid of. And they can tone down the corruption, but as long as the punishment remains 'lose gear' it's never going to be worth it. No one's going to PK for a crate or fight for a grind spot while putting their hard earned gear on the line.

It just discourages reasonable fights while people just find ways around the 'unreasonable ganking' it's supposed to prevent.

[crimson parcel]

There are so many healthy ways to get pvp, despite all of the problems with many systems adjacent to pvp (including caravan time-out).
But for "some reason" group that calls themselves strongest insists on ganking and then crying about how there is no pvp.

Inviting people to fight against some group, with giving them chance to win might work better than focusing on ganking and being mad because "omg the victim did not call whole guild for revenge"...

All of the progress will be reset, "there is no gain if I do sensible thing" is moot excuse.
People and groups that want pvp can get it.

And some groups pretend they want pvp, but they are just using pvp as excuse for insulting others and generally being super toxic and hateful because other people dare to not listen to them and nicely come served on platter to be ganked...

I do not understand how some people are unable to comprehend that initiating pvp when opponent has no chance of winning is not interesting for overwhelming majority of other people.
Especially when those that initiate it are super toxic bullies non-stop.

And if that kind of "pvp" is enforced on them constantly, people will never get a chance to enjoy pvp, which means they will never like it, which eventually means they will stop playing the game.

And then, that toxic behavior makes perfect sense, since every server has one to few of those toxic groups of nolifers with OP gear which insists that all who do not want to "pvp" under their terms HAS to stop playing and does not deserve to participate in game/test.

[prime dew]

This

[bronze crag]

We're not the ones crying or getting mad though. Yea, we want a better PvP system and more (endgame) PvP content, but we reach our kill quota whether people come or not, just make it a rule that no boat we find survives.

Even when we invest into a war declaration scroll and giving people fair fights they complain and just hug guards, or complain that we only declared on one of their 5 guilds so it's 'unfair'.

But you'll find an excuse for it not being a fair fight in any number of ways, level diff, gear diff, number diff, whatever. It's an MMORPG but you expect everyone to be a carbon copy for 'fair PvP', or you complain saying 'they don't want PvP just easy kills'.

Acting like we go corrupted just to kill low levels for some weird thrill. Either way we only fight for gain; boat, pack, resources.

[fluid coyote]

just fight back instead of crying in chats and discord and talking about healthy ways of PVP

[ember wyvern]

I'm sure the Hentai guy who randomly killed me in open ocean when my bags are empty gained a lot from it (though eh, Open Ocean, anything goes tbf), and the Hentai guy who attacked me when i was fighting a 1star whihc could kill me if i didn't pay attention, while his group was farming somewhere completely different, gained a lot from it as well 😂

[crimson parcel]

How many of your fights you win?
If you are winning significantly more than 50%, well just maybe you are not interested in actual competition and are there simply to gank weaker groups 🙂

[fluid coyote]

even the strong groups hide next to guards and decide to take fights in chats

🤣

[brisk fox]

Did they ask you to declare war on them??
What kind of logic is that?

[bronze crag]

How are we supposed to know your bags are empty? You know people that farm oak groups get like 2g in <10m from picking glint. Better money than packs.

[ember wyvern]

Thats why i said, open ocean /shrug