na-arena-of-words

[viral wagon]

it's true, canada is so irrelevant that the U.S dictates their future

[flat furnace]

Future is looking bright, we just fast tracked some big projects. 2030s will be Canada's decade my friends

[viral wagon]

still going to have a lower gdp than texas though, rip

[spiral nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/tgif-friday-dance-happy-its-gif-27184385

[drifting herald]

Where did @leshrac go lol

[spiral nimbus]

no idea

[drifting herald]

Got his ass roasted or what

[opaque sluice]

You can’t take a pic of yourself and say it’s American. You loofy fuckwit.

[flat furnace]

I'm easily 3" taller than that guy

[drifting herald]

But can you shoot a gun without moving lol

[flat furnace]

no idea i've never held one

[drifting herald]

Really want a marlin in 45-70, super fun

[drifting herald]

Ever seen Jurassic world ?

This is a marlin and a sick af one at that

[flat furnace]

[plain birch]

ah yes i love RNG deciding my 1v1 tournament

[drifting herald]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9el8rMDy-lEFlWB4MqQNQcgCBgGZ-EFB?si=IPMqrxbpEzKMrz1F

[fresh cliff]

wait, what lol. gg

[bitter atlas]

i was practicing tonight and i proceeded to roll a 1, 3times in a row

[sudden cargo]

best of luck trying to win 6 deathrolls in a row

[warped mural]

GL to the unemployed at the 1v1 tourney today ❤️

[drifting herald]

Just use that secret roll tech !

[scarlet pier]

At least you guys get to look forward to death roll victory, Rangers/Mages get to hope to win mirror match and then auto lose to the first non mage/ranger in the bracket haha

[spiral spindle]

this might be the stupidest thing ive ever read lol

devs handing out BiS gear day 2 to guilds, who believes this shit

[scarlet pier]

IDK man I read The Scarlett Letter in highschool and that was pretty dumb

[flat furnace]

Ya I really hope people like that write shit like this as rage bait and don't actually believe it because it is genuinely terrifying to think that people like this walk among us daily.

[spiral spindle]

reminder that they can vote, the scariest thought of all

[spiral spindle]

did you just bait me into watching your YT video

[raw hound]

I aint clicking no YT slop

[lilac harness]

Too long didnt watch: They changed the interal source coding security for those attempting to data mine things. Ashes codex may not exist as they are struggling to data mine info.

[lilac harness]

I understand why that is important, but ashes codex was probably half or more of the reason I was able to play the game at max level. Relevant info that isnt outdated is very hard to find about about the game if you are a new player blindly searching the internet for things. I got trolled so many times by things that used to be beneficial that turned out to no longer be the case.

[versed fulcrum]

There will be plenty of people who put out guides and other info as we get closer to launch and after without breaking TOS by data scraping to automate using Intrepid's IP and art without permission. If Intrepid tells someone they are allowed, that is a different case. But coming at them with "I do this for other games, and they can't stop me!" tends to not gain you any friends. And it looks like they decided to stop it or at least make it extremely inconvenient for those trying to cash in on their IP.

[rugged apex]

@harsh dust @wispy oracle supple dodgers

[azure orbit]

guides are useless for competitive pvp, things change. You need tools like the crafting tool and real time data that codex gives you. I hope ashes works with them to let them exist into the future.

[flat furnace]

I always just assume there is a better build out there than any guide could ever offer because the people with the top notch info would take it to their grave and not make videos showing everyone else how to directly compete against them

[dark tinsel]

How do you watch the 1v1's is there a twitch or youtube channel?

[flat furnace]

There is a VC in PTR section so hopefully someone is screen sharing

[fresh cliff]

u don't its just death rolling

[rough silo]

1v1 in ashes is dumb, 1v1 tourney is also dumb, 1v1 tourney with current PTR changes is special kind of dumb

[opaque sluice]

Dumb and fun is still fun. Also dumb, but still fun.

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-slap-slaps-police-smack-gif-4298692

[drifting herald]

@leshrac polar dodgers

[drifting herald]

What about dumb fun ?

[opaque sluice]

You mean like the back of a Volkswagen?

[drifting herald]

Like anything that can potentially put in jail for life !

[opaque sluice]

Oh shit. This is why I’m glad I was a kid in the 80s and 90s. Less evidence.

[grizzled widget]

man you guys really just recruit anybody huh

[covert chasm]

i thought it was no child left behind but this answers so many more questions

[drifting herald]

You an 80’s baby ? Dang did you land in the GenX bracket with me

[opaque sluice]

70’s baby.

[opaque sluice]

Are you an 80s baby?

[main spire]

Pulse optional

[drifting herald]

80, damn it old man , 70 like you’re getting the 55 deals ?

[opaque sluice]

Get your eyes checked! I am a 70's baby. Not 1970. I am old, but not that old. I do have grey pubes. Gray if you are down with that.

[wicked bone]

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-handshake-shaking-hands-gif-26102712

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/hard-diamond-ice-storm-talladega-gif-25467888

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-you-shall-not-pass-not-pass-gandal-the-grey-gandalf-gif-7706023

[drifting herald]

I was gonna say lucky lol

[fresh cliff]

hey

[fading hollow]

Hey

[scarlet pier]

Hey

[daring gust]

Hey

[opaque sluice]

Hey

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/viral-hog-viral-hog-videos-pomeranian-grabbed-a-poodles-toy-when-your-hair-game-is-on-point-hair-game-gif-1850815249623680704

[gleaming blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-boys-back-gif-25205948

[rough silo]

https://imgur.com/draSPZT

[spice quail]

[opaque sluice]

Here I was hoping the stunty rpers would fight the stunty neck beards.

[drifting herald]

Aren’t those Two things mutually exclusive?

[opaque sluice]

I used three descriptors Texan. Which two are exclusive?

[drifting herald]

Neck beards and rp’ers lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/2sHkyrB7Ysc?si=Qr0khS7I5pXd3ohF

[opaque sluice]

You lost 3 points for that trash. Do better. https://youtube.com/shorts/Mc4yOyptkpQ?si=A7eH0mEzyuXSSR4q

[drifting herald]

Hell yea migraine in a can ! That’s what I want !

Imagine getting ready for shallows holding hollows cuz ya never really know how low you got to go for haters !

Bars lol 😆

[drifting herald]

https://youtube.com/shorts/32eJKyRvEzQ?si=VlGtkHOkPoXXsT-R

[opaque sluice]

Give me chlymidia once, shame on me. Give me chlymidia twice shame on you. Not clicking it.

[drifting herald]

prof is fire

[spiral nimbus]

at this rate bro about to be playing by himself lmao

[opaque sluice]

Not falling for it. Not a second time.

[rough silo]

You telling us, you dont play with yourself?

[earnest garden]

y'all need jesus.

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-cryingman-scary-gif-14785293

[grizzled magnet]

dec 11 it's going to be only polar playing because they were lucky enough to get kicked off phase 3 before it truly turned to dogshit

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/thewolfofwallstreet-fairydust-fugazi-matthewmcconaughey-audio-gif-3525677

[opaque sluice]

If you’re guild is reforming or back from an appeal……you should have to go around to the other guilds and introduce yourself

[versed fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/256164085366915072/1181320433967046656/PIEnvy.gif?ex=69240d23&is=6922bba3&hm=a8f68d11bb3f0842b538d17f5b0130984976a24370c4627edb2e7c4bc057f952&

[opaque sluice]

I just want my 1h spear and a Kaelar RP guild. Imperial preferred.

[drifting herald]

^ essentially Wants a long handled dagger

[drifting herald]

Curious tho why all those specific things ? What is the RP goal or theme ?

[versed fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/unZ7.gif

[opaque sluice]

Obviously.

[opaque sluice]

Obviously

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/sholy-spartan-albion-gif-22805289

https://tenor.com/view/skipping-meet-the-spartans-sparta-lets-go-gif-11255530

[opaque sluice]

Obviously. Not the latest season though. I feel bad for the hemsworth. I feel they gave him a poison chalice.

[opaque sluice]

Hey. I’d paint on my six pack for Hercules. I go back and forth on which Hercules is my favorite Hercules

[drifting herald]

Witcher series ? Yea I lost interest after like the second season

[gusty quail]

Or... not

[opaque sluice]

Yup. Give it a fancy name.

[drifting herald]

Yea like if that one guild changes its name to keyboard warriors , its would make 1000% more sense

[opaque sluice]

Hey, hi. Sorry we had a very public melt down OR were banned for cheating OR doxed people OR our CC cult of charisma leader flipped out. But, we changed. We’re better now. You can trust us.

[flat furnace]

when in doubt defer to your local otter lord

[earnest garden]

all hail our residential otter lord

may their reign of terror prevail

[opaque sluice]

You guys get issued knee pads when you join up. Sluts.

[flat furnace]

[opaque sluice]

Too bad you’re not any good at it.

[flat furnace]

[fading hollow]

@hasty gyro

you clown we litterally beat Your silly guild in the PTR seige haha

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/dammmmmmm-son-he-need-some-milk-gif-23611493

[fading hollow]

2x amnesty leaders led a a bunch of randos, against your core. and you LOST

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-gif-4972452

[opaque sluice]

They needed time to cheat and RMT and whatever other salty tricks they pull. Fight them in a fair fight, on the prod servers. Obviously.

[pastel tusk]

I was there chat

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bark-gif-16751088037786818803

The same sieges where we all got kicked and the server died for majority people on defense at winstead and eventually the "core" was like 7 ppl for Miraleth siege?

[fading hollow]

No one on our side had this issue, Good way to claim a loss tho. at least lose with pride. We get it your all rusty

[hasty gyro]

We literally had clips of us sitting at menu cause of EAC kicking people from both sides come on now big dog

[fading hollow]

Ahhh early on the first seige was a problem, your correct. After that no issues.

[hasty gyro]

I can also post your coalition losing the 1v4 guild wars against us a few days after carphin weapons got taken away with members having on sub 500 power weapons We know what happens when the real core shows up for stuff. Your GM took it on the chin even in his own YT video admitting we won after cutting out the war score like a chad

Tippable by Tim and bros a goat for admitting it, was a fun af fight

Ashes is better when Amnesty is contesting us on shit (please steven give me back the firebrand wars of p2)

[fading hollow]

Polar v aussi alliance = good time

[hasty gyro]

battle of winstead was one of the only large scale fights that rivaled the Windansea siege vs aura and the 45 min-2 hrs firebrand wars where it was Polar/Env vs Nova vs OCE fighting over the bosses lol

[fading hollow]

Where is my boy @dawn venture

you coming back for some good times?

[polar veldt]

They all coming back, hopefully for longer than 3 weeks

fuck Pirates are coming back

[hasty gyro]

Gimme a loop to play and the people shall return

[pastel tusk]

They are probably rolling EU, im gonna have fun

[hasty gyro]

P2 loop was so simple and had the longest player retention. Farm named mobs, craft bis gear, do vans to enchant. PvP

[wicked bone]

You guys are not ready for that coot and zuko duo thats all im saying

[rough silo]

Yea man you been drinking the koolaid.

We all ready for nobody dies 3.5? Shits gonna be fun!

[hasty gyro]

hell no

[drifting herald]

hey @leshrac what do you think lmao lol

[opaque sluice]

A server without polar is a calm server. Grippy socks make for grippy box, you just can’t leave out the sharp objects.

[calm saddle]

Polar would be less annoying if every annoying rat and their mother didn't get recruited by them(a consequence of there being very few "competitive" guilds in AoC in the first place), but alas, here we are

[lilac harness]

Did leshrac get booped as soon as he got the polar tag? That's wild. I thought it got quiet in here. Rip.

[calm saddle]

Either that or left

[rough silo]

Polar can recruit 2/3 of the discord servers

just when they lose which they do is big upset, w/e try to make things same level and competitive ppl dont have spine

[dawn venture]

https://tenor.com/view/eastbound-and-down-gif-25836087

[earnest garden]

https://tenor.com/view/look-away-simpson-bashful-embarrassed-marge-gif-1191583262637258997

[rough silo]

Joining polar too?

[prime escarp]

I always find it funny when I find old enveus members commenting in videos, brings back good memories

[rough silo]

Rent Free is what they say?

[earnest garden]

im already in there

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-gif-17856173530980245283

[earnest garden]

I drank the kool-aid Bam.

one of us, one of us

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[earnest garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-smokey-koolaid-kool-aid-chris-tucker-ice-cube-gif-14031739

[rough silo]

Dont like bandwagoning, pass.

[opaque sluice]

Almost respect you for that.

[rough silo]

Hey man like i said if 2/3 of the discord server wanna join Polar because they dont wanna be competitive let them do so.

[earnest garden]

Ill bandwagon that ass. JK

Honestly. I am just a 🐛 on the verra road of life.

I suffer from the same symptoms everyone else has with AoC, hopeful optimism and extreme pain from the weird dev choices. We're all on the same boat.

[opaque sluice]

LF Kaelar RP guild. Must love spears. Imperial preferred.

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/didi-gif-1240408809659404307

[main spire]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-vibe-cope-cope-cope-harder-copium-cope-bunny-gif-27068473

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[main spire]

https://tenor.com/view/arrest-the-son-of-a-bitch-arrest-him-upset-detain-lock-him-up-gif-14310138

[rough silo]

If anyone is looking for a place that spanks Polar every phase shoot me a DM, ill gladly direct you.

[main spire]

No thank you I don't want to work for intrepid

[earnest garden]

👀

[cyan violet]

Can't fight RN busy EAC'd

[cyan violet]

No Hope, Cope, Doom, or Gloom for me, just take it in stride.

[drifting herald]

Wbat about dope or pope , or zoom and groom ?

[earnest garden]

no mara, no grooming.

[violet lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/idiots-hancock-youre-all-idiots-gif-14661858

[calm saddle]

Purple name, opinion disregarded as usual

[drifting herald]

Dang it , that’s best one ☝️

[violet lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-jerry-seinfeld-too-bad-thats-a-shame-gif-12571290

https://tenor.com/view/smart-purplepepe-purple-pepe-purpe-memecoin-gif-8838051678562289973

[sick mantle]

Bro said they beat our core 🤣

[sick mantle]

in a ptr siege no one logged into 🤣 🤓

the last time our core 40 were playing together was during windansea 2.5 siege and the acoustic avengers got mogged lets pipe down

[viral wagon]

losing a siege to amnesty and pugs, under any circumstances, is embarrassing, regardless of insecure posturing

[stoic cape]

https://tenor.com/view/ilovepugs-gif-10366455955358566398

[cerulean delta]

Amnesty is recruiting !

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-dressing-whatever-this-is-how-i-look-regina-george-mean-girls-gif-17159844

[sick oar]

I'm back from my latest timeout someone please call me a Cuck to get me back in the groove

Bruh what happen to my name lol

Can't even change it for a month hahaha

[dense minnow]

did you make it in CC program?

[sick oar]

Let me check my email haven't even checked

Uh... Surprisingly yes???

[earnest garden]

Poor ryve, cant use caps or his name. AoC holding him down.

[sick oar]

Bruh this timeline is whack

[drifting herald]

@leshrac lol noob got your ass roasted

[sick oar]

Small letters, user 101563,dafuq 😂

Kaiser trying to flirt with me

[polar veldt]

Listen speech gets silenced around here

[drifting herald]

Speech

[polar veldt]

just the way it be

[sick oar]

Somehow in this CC program without making a single video for 6 months.

Most of the OGs got in it seems, love to see it

[sick oar]

The good thing about being User101563 for the next month is that happens to be my favorite number

[drifting herald]

wtf happened bro , where’d your name go ?

[sick oar]

Got pk'd

[drifting herald]

Unprovoked or unintended roast ?

[opaque sluice]

Was the timeout worth it?

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-taco-exploding-taco-productions-dalton-dalton-williams-yeah-it-was-gif-20841491

[sick oar]

always

[opaque sluice]

This me to most of you.

[drifting herald]

To them ! To me it’s more like

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-gif-26304891

[earnest garden]

Ryze cannot be named, therefore, he's ascended beyond the use of capitalization, and even... his own name.

[inland crater]

decided to check in on this chat and we're checks notes bragging about PTR siege wins 🫦

[drifting herald]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RzUVTxgGT4Y?si=MdalLGyOh_EhItOn

[opaque sluice]

Stop with your spoony words. Not clicking your malware infested earrot, Texan

[foggy locust]

"Our guild was #1 on a PTR"

[rugged apex]

@ripe gorge supple dodger

@jolly epoch dodger

[lunar ember]

I dodged last two phases 🙂

[jolly epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-talking-about-huh-what-what-are-you-saying-stirring-gif-17820207

[rugged apex]

SUPPLE gonna play this
Phase or what

[drifting herald]

Couple things , prof is fire , two it’s a YouTube short , 3 no viruses lol you you not Texan !

[ripe gorge]

this roster is long af im sure supple will have some numbers idk if its gonna be 150+ tho

[opaque sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/ohio-ohio-meme-wakanda-wakanda-forever-black-panther-gif-1157617497510891592

[rugged apex]

So supple is playing

[jolly epoch]

@rugged apex not sure yet tbh. Hopefully

[ripe gorge]

yea

[drifting herald]

Cleveland is the city where I’m from so run run east 1999

[opaque sluice]

HOF! Went to Bragg then....places.

[drifting herald]

Bone thugs lyrics

https://youtube.com/shorts/0huqwY8Byh0?si=HY8a11ajXybrADhH

It’s named after them now

[sick oar]

Guys does this mean we cant use the dodge key in game?

Explain to like I am 101563 years old

[polar veldt]

Nah you can use it. Just dont expect it to do much anymore

[lilac harness]

You might as well rebind the dodge key to your block key. Block is kind of wild now in the current ptr.

[cyan violet]

im gonna brag about bragging about bragging.

[viral wagon]

Give it a few months and the people mocking others for bragging about PTR wins will understand that Alpha is in the same bracket

[sick oar]

I won at timed out for caps

[sick oar]

Guys is TM actually a frog

[earnest garden]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frog-house-frog-nymph-the-hollow-novel-nymphs-gif-137641974658056164

[foggy locust]

My joke stands for people claiming #1 in an alpha test also.

Literaly nothing matters until live.

[chrome peak]

I mean, if people shit on you in alpha they'll probably shit on you on release

[foggy locust]

Not even remotely true, skills are unbalanced, exploits are readily found in alphas/betas.

[spiral nimbus]

Swiped too much last phase, they need a phase off to get that bread up at McDonald’s

[inland crater]

When are those zergs I've always heard so much about coming to Ashes

[chrome peak]

Probably on actual release of the game (if it ever does release)

[flat furnace]

Really really soon I'm sure

[opaque sluice]

I’m gonna be on the sideline calling them all fat.

[drifting herald]

Bro , it’s why they are mad , never gonna give clout to any of the bs ass sieges and wars not that I don’t think they may be good gamers, but the fact the game is unfinished and glitchy so anything like this is invalid form of clout !

[drifting herald]

Yup and , any skill reactions and rotations and ability knowledge instantly also become invalid when you add power stat gaps, it doesn’t matter how badass you are at rotations and skills if you fight someone with big enough stat gap , stats will always win, now add in uneven sized groups and glitchy maps / mechanics ! Now where’s the skill ?

[inner prawn]

But it is true

[hasty gyro]

Playing eastern slop probably

[ripe gorge]

Stevens latest instagram post is kinda hard

[opaque sluice]

That’s not even Steven it’s a bad ai prompt that looks like Rob desantis mixed with Steven

[ripe gorge]

steven got lasek eye surgery and no longer wears glasses now that he can afford it with early access

[sick oar]

Guys it's just a matter of time before we get DA and Alec starting up EPHENVEUS

[stoic cape]

Apparently had to sell the finger on his left hand as well to afford all that based on that picture. Its tough out there these days

[ripe gorge]

didnt you know steven was a trekky??

chatgpt got the paint job on the plane done really well tho imo. which i did ask it to focus on lol

i could switch steven out for a real picture of him and it would look alot better but iv had my fun already

[sick mantle]

AION 2 ON TOP

[sick mantle]

This cope has existed since the beginning of time.

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-shit-out-club-penguin-mop-just-let-me-get-rid-of-the-shit-post-above-gif-17264103

[drifting herald]

On top of the credit card statement !

[opaque sluice]

That’s Steven with….Tom Segura

[cyan violet]

Jesus Ryve its too early for this funny.

[gusty quail]

Original glance assumed that this was a sport fisher fan begging for Linux support.

[drifting herald]

Hey @leshrac - hahahahha

[flat furnace]

It's ok he will be back. The standard has been set. All you have to do is cry to enough devs and you get unbanned.

[viral wagon]

when are @kaiser and @tanko coming back then? they cry enough so they should be unbanned too ✊

[drifting herald]

Lmao

[drifting herald]

They hang out in SNN discord lol

[hasty gyro]

Bring my boys back

[drifting herald]

Have you seen some of the disgusting things those boys have put forth into the world before , no offense no disrespect I’d never associate with those types of people

[hasty gyro]

Worse human beings in my eyes walk the great halls of this discord still agree to disagree

[drifting herald]

Maybe , but I can only speak the ones who were brought up!

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-enough-shea-brennan-sam-elliott-1883-thats-reasonable-gif-24225989

[drifting herald]

I’d love to compare notes one time and really dig into who’s really the worst people of the community ! Could make for some interesting content

[calm saddle]

Considering all the dirt that goes on behind the scenes and some of the old people who used to frequent this place over the last 8 years, that would be a lot of work and take a lot of time

[hasty gyro]

I’ll host a GM summit a week before full launch. Let everyone sling all the alpha dirt one last time

[calm saddle]

wouldn't you hosting a gm summit require you to be a gm

[drifting herald]

Gm like guild masters only , or guild meeting summit ? lol

[hasty gyro]

Neutral unbiased man of the people host with Mara as Co host

[calm saddle]

considering how much of the server doesn't like Mara I think you'd need a different co host, but you might not be a bad idea for that yeah

[hasty gyro]

Topics voted on by the community

[drifting herald]

Yo bro

[drifting herald]

You’re just jealous no actually likes you , and I gave you free loot and told you how to turn off action combat mode lol

[calm saddle]

sure we can go with that

[drifting herald]

Am I lying ?

[hasty gyro]

I actually had one lined up and everything with a lot of the big guild GMs all agreeing to come on I just never got a 2nd response from Margaret/Steven for him to come on was gonna have all the big builds GMs and Steven (hopium) to come on a podcast and each GM would’ve been allowed a question

[drifting herald]

You come for me even when I extend a hand , it’s actually a blessed feeling

[hasty gyro]

They got behind in the p2.5 launch so it got put on back burner

[calm saddle]

Sounds like it would of been a more successful gm summit then the last one we had lol

[drifting herald]

We ?

[calm saddle]

We as in the community yes

[drifting herald]

Oh I have that one recorded

[calm saddle]

I don't think you were around for that one, so we're probably thinking of different summits then

[drifting herald]

I mean if it was some random discord prolly not , the ones in here for each phase , yea those

[calm saddle]

No this was during A0

[drifting herald]

lol bruh

[hasty gyro]

A0? how many guilds are even around from then

[calm saddle]

I think the only "active" ones are probably HSG(which is now Axiom) and Nexus?

[cyan violet]

I'm clearly the worst human being here.

[drifting herald]

It’s all make believe

[calm saddle]

Every other guild that I can think of that was at that meeting is either gone or moved on from AoC

[drifting herald]

It’s a reach

[calm saddle]

Lol okay, Zara probably still has the record but yeah sure

[hasty gyro]

I’ll ping every GM rn and we will have a summit before Dec 11th

[wicked bone]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[calm saddle]

Sounds based, I hope it happens, might be fun

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/redfox9-fire-all-hail-the-gif-24337797

[calm saddle]

be sure to invite Liniker for extra spice, he'll come back one day

[hasty gyro]

I’d never forget the champion of Brazil. He agreed to the last one

[drifting herald]

Either way that has nothing to do with a new one in the works and me co hosting , I’m down , I’ll ask tough questions

[calm saddle]

If you don't understand why I said you wouldn't be a good co host for this then idk what to tell yah holmes lol

[cyan violet]

ask me your toughest question rn

[drifting herald]

He’s here he’s been active right @prime escarp , he’s a bro , love my SA’s

[drifting herald]

Hmm, toughest for you to answer or toughest for the community ?

[cyan violet]

yeah for me homie

[drifting herald]

Do you trim the hedges , to make the tree look bigger ?

[cyan violet]

I dont like stank when I work. But really? this is it 😐

[hasty gyro]

Does your hatred for fun blind you from summoner improving or does your love for pets halt the progression of the class

[calm saddle]

Who do you think is objectively the worst "competitive" pvp guild currently active in AoC and why

[cyan violet]

I don't hate fun, I'm a welder, mechanic, and machinist. I like precision and things being functional first. Also I'm not the one calling for pet buffs though, I theorycrafted with Rime to get more dps on that Spirit Shred.

[drifting herald]

No honestly , I’d have to think about it, I just asked a silly question , but I can be extremely more real but this wouldn’t be the time or place

[hasty gyro]

Active as in p3 servers or the last year that still play the game

[calm saddle]

I'd say from 2.0 onwards, now dead guilds can be included in that list

[prime escarp]

I'm retired from drama

[drifting herald]

Good life’s to short to be dealing with drama all the time , hope the fam and baby are good homie

[prime escarp]

I'm just a casual gamer dad now testing an MMO

[calm saddle]

I'm either about to see some real juicy answers or some major copouts, stay tuned

[cyan violet]

To include mine, each guild has really individual players, but competitive? I don't think I'd even use that label as the games not ready to call itself competitive. Also all the guilds have a long way to go before they meet the logistical and economic org of a lot of the old guard guilds.

I dont think Ashes is in a competitive working state yet.

[calm saddle]

The size of the pond dictates the nature of competitiveness, not the circumstances and sizes of other ponds

[cyan violet]

Oh okay so we're literally just digging in a hole in the ground still because there's no pond yet. (if you actually ever built a pond / run off)

[hasty gyro]

Hard to choose,

• FED: Extremely overhyped for beating up on Pirates. Had some shining stars but majority were very bad
• EBC: Little brother of the OCE region, napoleon complex
• Purple: Too small to really tell, rarely take out numbered fights unless beating up on the Chinese but I respect their small but fierce mentality. Will almost always go for a hero play during fights /sieges. Rarely pays off but if it does it’s pretty big
• Cats: Similar to FED, have some good stars in there but are held back by their shotcallers thinking it’s TNL/NW PvP
• Overmeta: Overhyped and only ever won with 2:1 numbers. Absolutely gets pissed slammed by other guilds in equal numbers. Novas little brother

[calm saddle]

Its a little copout still but this is so unexpectedly funny that it gets a pass, I hadn't thought of it like that before

[drifting herald]

Gotta check the land survey for water shed layouts , can be just digging random holes you flood your neighbors

[calm saddle]

Also good answer, hmm. So if Cats figures out how to shotcall properly, you think they'll rise up to be more of a threat?

[hasty gyro]

Only numbers wise imo

[inner prawn]

they all suck

[hasty gyro]

I can’t really speak on EU but only guilds the remotely impressed me are obviously the Cartel homies, Asylum/Holiday whatever they wanna be called, and I think Havoc are eu

Edit: oh and madhouse had really good small scale

[cyan violet]

Names matter brother, so does seasons and titles. There was Nova, Undead Alliance, Mostly Harmless and literally just 1 or 2 of guilds that are major OWPVP players. The rest dont have a real name in this style of game.

[hasty gyro]

Most competitive even numbers during the prime of a phase top 6 in no order:
Polar
Amnesty
Nova
Supple
Cartel
Holiday

[calm saddle]

I never said I disagree with the assessment of AoC's environment, but the idea that "everyone sucks" in AoC when none of these other players are actually playing holds little merit. If you had the best damn salmon ever at a restaurant, would you automatically consider all other salmon at any other restaurants you have shit? You'd temper your expectations, it wouldn't be as good, but you'd still rate salmon from other restaurants as enjoyable or not, tasty or not, et cetera.

[hasty gyro]

(I’m including Aura in Supple.) take them away and supple flounders during this phases showing imo but room to grow obviously since they’ve done well in other games

[calm saddle]

Plus, just because x guild excelled in these three mmos, doesn't mean they'll excel in another. Oso dominated AA for 15 years and stepped into tnl and just did okay, not good, not bad, just okay.

[hasty gyro]

OSO were victims on Ashes

[cyan violet]

If Shawnzy aint leadin it, it aint OSO. Silver tongued sugar lipped ass bandit that dude.

[hasty gyro]

Idc what boomer is on AA private realm 98. If they ain’t here. They don’t matter to me

[calm saddle]

List looks good based off what I'm seeing but Cartel just doesn't have the numbers for large scale fights afaik

[cyan violet]

You already know I'm gonna shit on ballzerging, but its not the players fault however.

[hasty gyro]

At their peak they were around 40ish but that 40 held off all of Holiday in multiple wars. The actual definition of what Purple is aiming to be is what Cartel was

[cyan violet]

Holiday couldnt kill my 5 man while dragging an entire dungeon on them. Where are these mystical players.

[calm saddle]

Yeh but AoC is a numbers game end of the day, the biggest and most organized will get and control castles, no other way. Well, biggest, most organized, and skilled.*

[hasty gyro]

Asylum/Holiday would’ve been better name. They performed better under Asylum banner cause members hadn’t quit/split off I suppose

[calm saddle]

As much as Polar's mass recruiting annoys me sometimes, its kind of prep for the future, numbers will remain king.

[cyan violet]

Nah Polar is gonna trim the fat.

[hasty gyro]

And we hate it but the inability to adapt is the inability to survive/compete

[calm saddle]

I'd assume they will yeah but if they make it to launch I'd be shocked if they aren't rolling 300 deep or something similar

Or mass alliance bloc BDO style, either one

[sick mantle]

Rather do a siege will all guildies than having a ton of different alliances.

[cyan violet]

There are certain people in Polar I will personally rag on if they dont because those particular individuals have too much damn talent and could be their gens Byron Bernstein if they sully their victories.

[hasty gyro]

Best large scale I can probably confidently say is us with even or less numbers. Small scale is a different matter for a longer debate

[calm saddle]

Yeh Polar's got a lock on large scale, I think Cartel's probably #1 small scale, they beat up most of NA with 200 ping, imagine them without ping debuff

[prime escarp]

my opinion of a top 5 in no order is

EU (cartel/holiday)
polar
nova
eph
aura

[wicked bone]

Polar vs supple+vice+amnesty+anvils+ebc

This coming phase

[calm saddle]

True, Alec will return and we're all gonna die so none of these rankings will matter in the future

[sick mantle]

Yeah I'd put EPH > oso > supple. Even the 20 oso that came impressed me MUCH more than supple members

[hasty gyro]

Polar vs The Litterbox Alliance

[calm saddle]

A lot of Supple is ex-Eph so yeah lol

[prime escarp]

and im not sure about supple / amnesty I've only heard stories

[hasty gyro]

I didn’t get to play against EPH much during Ashe’s/was still learning back so I was just hitting every tree I saw LMAO so sadly I can’t comment on them really

[calm saddle]

They weren't that terrifying in AoC but they dogwalked pretty much all of tnl

[prime escarp]

they had some real good gamers there and alec shotcalling was wild

[sick mantle]

Supple has a lot numbers a few statics with gamers but mostly meh. Amnesty is smaller but better players overall imo always down to fight.

[prime escarp]

I had it booked for a prime full on 40v40 Nova vs Eph fight just days before shit hit the fan

never got the answer if we could beat them or not

[sick mantle]

Yeah quite a few joined polar after dopamine ended as well.

[hasty gyro]

Think the only guild I’ve actively despised is NISSA or whatever. Neurotic Savages. Necrotic Sausages. Those peeps are actually freaks

[calm saddle]

NiSa, Neurotic Savages yeah lol, Helium is...an interesting individual

[sick mantle]

They are gamers though. Honestly best content in P2.

NiSa are my Grey brothers now.

[prime escarp]

lmao those guys were wild

[hasty gyro]

Liniker will always have some respect in my heart for delaying his node war declaration for after the Super Bowl and Miraleth still stood at the end of the night after a fucking amazing node war

[calm saddle]

I'm hoping Grey gives AoC a chance at some point, it'd be fun to see them show up

[sick mantle]

Never got the pleasure of fighting Nova as my guild was allied to them the entire time 🙁

[hasty gyro]

Nova rallying the entire world to declare node war on miraleth it was peak (even though I’m pretty sure we nuked the servers for everyone even other servers)

[sick mantle]

Yeah, as far as I know there's no plans in the immediate future. Beta at the earliest is my guess so sometime in Q4 next year or Q1 2027.

[hasty gyro]

Even when our van trains would get hit it was a healing moment for the realm to see our stuff burning. Then we’d spin back and burn some nova vans. Then the realm rallied again and slaughtered like 30 of our vans trapped outside forge. Man I miss p2

[calm saddle]

if aoc doesn't look like shit yeah lol, I'm friends with like half of Grey and most of them have a very low opinion of aoc

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-joker-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-and-here-we-go-gif-17775369

[viral gulch]

NW yes, TNL no cause we never played but... progress is always good. much better now than mid 2.0 when we started

[calm saddle]

Polar have been excellent villains, I'll give them that

[mental tusk]

i await my ping 😎

[hasty gyro]

Yeah yall improving. Normally small scale from what I’ve seen improves slower than large scale. You guys are like the opposite. Your small scale improved a lot even from the p2?/p2.5 friday night scrims

I feel like shotcalling on a tank is cancer though respectfully

[prime escarp]

bro we were on a crisis our gamers were getting burned out AF for having no decent PvP to the point we had to start booking wars in advance

[sick mantle]

I mean it's gotta be FED the hype going into P2.5 was kinda crazy.

[prime escarp]

I was trying my best to do limited call outs for 40 man only but a few fucking rando low levels would show up, and DA or TMX would go crazy thinking we had +100 man and didnt wanna engage

[cyan violet]

Necrotic Sausages*

[hasty gyro]

Yeah looking at my list it’s like not even close. It’s FED. I remember reading about how us and barcode would have to merge to compete

[calm saddle]

hey bitch, put respect on NiSa's name, they earned that 😤

[hasty gyro]

invites them to scrims 8v8 roster proceeds to win 8v16s

[sick mantle]

I was watching Cats mog Supple in small scale for like 20 hours straight on my second monitor while leveling.

[cyan violet]

They indeed earned Necrotic Sausages..

[calm saddle]

who or what even is an aetereon

[hasty gyro]

My ~~ dogs~~ cats Xop and Cyb are small scale demons

[sick mantle]

They had a second guild in Ashes called Necrotic Sausages lol

[cyan violet]

Formally known as Black Crown.. we do pretty good. I just refuse to be a grandiose blowhard.

[calm saddle]

oh LMAO, I played like 7 hours of p2 and stopped because leveling was so dogshit

[hasty gyro]

I was such a fool for getting my 10 friends to play Ashe’s why tf did I pick the start of p2 for them to learn outside of a big guild

[sick mantle]

20 polar vs 100 fed book it

[calm saddle]

Honestly it kind of came as a big shock? Like A0 was great, A1 was great, and then A2 was...yeah....and p2 was supposed to be better and half the spawns were broken and leveling is just artificially made super long and dismal and just like why

[hasty gyro]

Never forgot waking up on Christmas last year to clips of TM and the boys war decking them in Seph and the clip was titled “not even the na**’s attacked on Christmas”

[fervent hound]

FED does not have 100 members with genesis gone

[sick mantle]

shiddd i wish leveling was as fast now as in P2. Its like 12 hours or so longer now LMAO

[calm saddle]

bro I can't name a single game I ever enjoyed leveling in, like, not one. Its just an obstacle to get to real content. Leveling pvp can be fun, but that's about it

[sick mantle]

At least it was duriing P.3 or P2.75 or w/e u wanna call it....

[sick mantle]

it will happen again 😏

[sick mantle]

I usually only like leveling the first go around on a game because its new and whatnot. But afterwards it becomes a pain to me

[fervent hound]

Lost ark and Gw2 were fine

[calm saddle]

Lost ark meh, gw2 wasn't bad yeah but I don't remember if it took forever or not

Tbf gw2 leveling wasn't bad because Orr campaign was based

[cyan violet]

A1 was great? 😐

[mental tusk]

im 99% sure you only thought those phases and alphas were good because they were new and you were green to the game and thats why p2 on felt like ass because its been the same content out since p1

you just got doses of dopamine in large amounts due to small sample play test periods for everything before p2 then once it hit 5 days a week and more everyone starts bitching moaning complaining yada yada yada brother its been the same the whole time yall just are addicted and need to take a break lol

[drifting herald]

lost ark banned over 1 million bots on its first ban wave

[mental tusk]

good shit o7

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-gif-4825138080902567122

[fair roost]

Christmas wars 2025? 🎅

[earnest garden]

No wars allowed. You get coal forever. 30g and timers.

[mental tusk]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[sick oar]

Can I get a DORF update?

[calm saddle]

fuck yeah it was

[calm saddle]

idrc about same content, I tested multiple betas in several other mmos, I care about how the leveling experience feels first off, player interaction, quality of combat, and all those things didn't feel good to me in p2

[cyan violet]

I thought A1 was boring

[calm saddle]

It was boring yes, ultimately not much to do

[inner prawn]

Don't worry AoC will save gaming

[crimson vector]

https://tenor.com/view/leia-youre-my-only-hope-star-wars-gif-14502241

[drifting herald]

https://tenor.com/view/meganleigh-megan-leigh-shh-stop-shh-gif-4520801562729923801

[thin wigeon]

Holiday are never late, nor are they early, they arrive precisely when they mean to

[cyan violet]

So they’re Nikua?

[thin wigeon]

They are Tulnar

[kindred wadi]

First play through did. After that it didn’t

[sick oar]

The guards at the Forge won that day 😂

[hasty gyro]

Those guards were killing me 200 meters from the embershrine fucking getting Chris Kyled outta nowhere

[sick oar]

Same

[hasty gyro]

They just were slaughtering both sides it was cinema

[polar veldt]

They dont like bards

[cyan violet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[cyan violet]

And the combat was pewp

[drifting herald]

Sounds like new world

[cyan violet]

New World was better by virtue of actually needing to aim.

[drifting herald]

Fireball staff vomit spam !

[cyan violet]

Every mmo has really interesting stuff then not so interesting stuff. New Worlds bow was 10/10, it’s Ice Gauntlet was 10/10, it’s Vaunt Gaunt was 1000000/10 and was the most interesting weapon in the game, it’s gathering was fun but it’s running around in a circle farming static mobs was shit because until mobs are actually fun to fight, static mob grinding is repetitive and boring.

[cyan violet]

And it was better than SWTOR

[drifting herald]

What nw alpha better than swtor alpha ? That’s debatable

It def wasn’t better than beta vs beta not even close , I’d grant that new world was 1000% better in alpha and beta than the released version.

Meanwhile swtor is still alive and doing well, new world …. Not soo much haha

[opaque sluice]

Nw > swtor. Nw just never figured out replay ability

[cyan violet]

SWTOR is a storied franchise, it doesn’t need good combat to succeed. No different than LOTR, WoW, Final Fantasy. But New Worlds combat was days better than generic tab. I’ll take that fireball spam over a tab reskin vXXXX

[drifting herald]

Fair ! Tab vs skill shot , not like it was hard or whatever it still auto target , just requires you to aim the direction of the target

New world combat is like eso, I think that would be the closet comparison

[opaque sluice]

Action > tab

[drifting herald]

Yup but here everyone is waiting for a full tab game cuz of one feature ! The trinity

[cyan violet]

New Worlds combat is closer to Darkfall. ESO has zero aimed abilities and instead of tabbing you use a reticle. Like I said though, I find good parts of every game, then things I think are just sunk.

[sick mantle]

Official tierlist.

[chrome peak]

What is S next to polar ?

[sick mantle]

cartel

[hasty gyro]

Who tf stole my idea

That’s plagiarism. I had to be a wagelet and someone did my tier list idea I’m calling mods

[shut rune]

I thought aura disbanded

[lilac harness]

Aura under axiom? Damn. Guess that's what happens when your leadership folds you into a better guild.

[void plaza]

i always said we need more pr with our logo on it

[shut rune]

i mean aura is literally just the bad players from axiom leaving and starting barcode, and then having to rename and disband cause it went so poorly

[sick mantle]

Aura is a shell of their former selves. They are now a crafting guild.

[chrome peak]

Im sure yours will be better

[chrome peak]

Too late you don’t exist anymore

[sick mantle]

cartel my goats cartel in coots throat

[shut rune]

yeah ngl i had no idea that was u guys

[hasty gyro]

I mean it’s pretty accurate but I’d have to add in a few different guilds probably

[void plaza]

We do, we are an arc raiders guild now

[hasty gyro]

@rough silo someone said yall are bitches apparently (I will fix that in my own tier list)

[flat furnace]

C.5 I will take it

[sick mantle]

@rough silo

[ocean kraken]

From what I saw last phase, most of these look pretty accurate.

[void plaza]

Rank 1 rp guild

[sick mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-arnold-schwarzenegger-carl-weathers-gif-17765053

[void plaza]

let me go ask my eu brothers what they think about the tier list

[hasty gyro]

D tier is stacked

[sick mantle]

No madhouse icon but they are A tier. Shout out my russian wiggas

[hasty gyro]

Yeah I was trying to find emblems for all the guilds this morning need to zoom in and steal some of these for my own list

[chrome peak]

EU think NA still confused about the whole on Holiday thing

[sick mantle]

church and street will bring back FED from the ashes

[flat furnace]

Not an RP guild but I will accept this award regardless

[void plaza]

u dont get it, u either no life the game 24/7 no job, no family, no friends or u are a filthy casual roleplayer there is no in between

[steep furnace]

"Semi-hardcore" guilds

[void plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[lilac harness]

I've seen on more than one occasion otter rp about being made into boots.

[hasty gyro]

It’s funny too the division in some of the smaller guilds. Some of the people in them fuck with us and then 10 messages later someone in the same guild is calling us Satan Cats is a perfect example

[marsh agate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/303283302234718211/1443082325079625838/fedisded.gif?ex=69286f65&is=69271de5&hm=6f933d4ff43a3a69d628cdcd23a3228d0c54c7519f89a5dd1406a5e24c93b0c9&=

[lilac harness]

How dare you play the game, practice, and theory craft while the rest of us complain about character creation and argue in discord text channels.

[wicked bone]

https://tenor.com/view/twitter-duck-smoke-smoking-twitter-duck-gif-1365401141084093497

[flat furnace]

Yaaaaa that could be us too..... I'm out here just hanging out with whoever shows up and yet many otters would never dare speak to a polar bear.

[hasty gyro]

One day the great Otter Bear alliance will happen 🦦 then you shall see the light behind all the smoke screens

The beacons will be lit, maybe next week or in 4 years on launch, I trust the Otter empire to answer

[flat furnace]

Ya that's never going to happen but hey if you listen to some folks it's already been happening for months so who's to say

[hasty gyro]

Phoenixfire’s been on the polar pay roll for months. He just hasn’t figured out how to break it to his guildies yet

[wicked bone]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-wag-justin-bieber-confident-song-nope-no-gif-17366024248084432562

[rocky folio]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-otter-aty-petting-head-pat-gif-26796568

[void plaza]

i called that shit beginning of 2.5, u guys are not ready for that

[polar veldt]

Votes are a hell of a thing

[hasty gyro]

Thoughts on the Unofficial tier list (Official is only mine I’ll make later)

[stoic cape]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-the-burrow-otter-nymph-otter-house-novel-mymphs-gif-1376239042368996988

[polar veldt]

Pretty good. What’s it based on tho? Just in general or

[flat furnace]

Listen I'm not one to expose DMS but this exact sentence has been sent to me by multiple people...... literally 1 day while I was in here calling TM a shit bag someone was in my DMS calling me a polar dick rider.....sometimes you just can't win

[hasty gyro]

Idk I didn’t make it. Looks of it probably influence/skill but who knows

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[polar veldt]

EBC is def not D tier lol..

[ocean kraken]

I personally think Axiom/Aura should be moved down to D, and Cats moved down to C. Then its perfect.

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[polar veldt]

Depends on what this tier list is based around

Not that it matters at all.

[hasty gyro]

If pvp skills how would you fix it

[lilac harness]

I may be an idiot, but who is the flagged symbol? Just started this past phase, so I may not know them that well, especially if they are eu. Think I know everyone else.

[polar veldt]

Purple. Purple has a lot of good pvpers

[flat furnace]

Purple and I'm surprised they are that low but I don't know any better so

[lilac harness]

O, yea ik purple. Small but always looking to throw down especially when they have a numbers advantage.

[chrome peak]

There is only 1 EU guild on this tierlist (and it doesnt exist anymore)

[hasty gyro]

Cartel Holiday Havoc I think are on there

[flat furnace]

That's what happens when your server has 25 players on it

[polar veldt]

Don’t have any experience with the the EU guilds so I cant comment on them

[lilac harness]

We kind of do. A lot of eu players came na for p3.

[chrome peak]

is Holiday the Miami vice Pepe ? idk havoc logo

[polar veldt]

Not Cartel/Holiday/Havoc

[sick mantle]

yes

[hasty gyro]

Yeah I think so. I searched up their guild recruitment post and it seems to be that picture

[stoic cape]

If its based on influence, and supposed to be current, any guild that was able to obtain mayorship shouldnt be lower than B tier, and any guild who quit / disbanded in the middle of a phase shouldnt be higher than B/C tier.

If based on all phases at the height of their peak, and only PVP based, list could use some big changes lol. Some past guilds and disbanded guilds that deserve to be on this list or changed position.

[lilac harness]

Not as full orgs, but individual players did. Lets say roxis went from cartel to play in na with polar then to cats then back to eu with cartel I believe. I could be wrong, of course, but that is one that I remember noticing.

[polar veldt]

Oh for sure then ya

[flat furnace]

Ya I know Nova has hands and all but they don't even currently exist and they made the list

[hasty gyro]

I have collected Cartel members like Exodia pieces I am the tamer of the wild EU villagers

They cannot resist me for I am inevitable and I also promise PvP/Sieges

[stoic cape]

Yeah if its supposed to be based on all of AOC past phases and prior guilds at their height are included, Nova had some heavy influence in the early days

[sick mantle]

pvp rankinigs

[lilac harness]

It's hard not to choose na when they cant even get master benches up in a whole phase in eu.

[ocean kraken]

Wait..aren't you the guy they were saying completely rebranded to hide your past failures? Musicman or Musicianmaster or something?

[polar veldt]

You guys missed FBA. Top China guild those boys are the keepers of the forge

[sick mantle]

I'd still put EPH/Enveus/Nova all guild that don't exist anymore above 95% of the guilds on that list regardless.

[stoic cape]

Current PVP rankings? Or all past phases at their height? And it purely skill or influence in PVP?

Because skill is so subjective. Everyone's list would be different. But influence on the PVP scene can probably be more objective...there are definitely guilds that (regardless of whether you think they are skilled or not) were always talked about and out there competing and in all the drama lol

[flat furnace]

Isn't that half the server at this point? How many spinoffs has EPH had or Verdant or some other smaller guilds that have rebranded.

[lilac harness]

Don't worry. He won mayorship and was mayor for about a week. In that week, he didnt even show up on time to his own city's siege. The defenders were x'ing up in shout, himself included, after it already started with no comms.

[stoic cape]

If its all guilds retroactively speaking at their height, EPH gotta be on that list lol

[hasty gyro]

From p2 forward PvP rankings might be a good tier list. I ranked some guilds last night

[sick mantle]

"Current PVP rankings? Or all past phases at their height? And it purely skill or influence in PVP?"

All of the above. I'd still put them above 95% of guilds based on those factors lol.

[ocean kraken]

Ah, checks out. Everything I've seen and heard about him is that he is a complete washout with big dreams. This game truly brings out the delusion in people.

[stoic cape]

Well EPH doesnt exist so cant be current lol

But totally worth mentioning if look at entire past of the game.

Enveus, even though they no longer exist, also belong on that list whether you like them or hate them. Heavy influencers in the early stages of the game

[flat furnace]

If it's p2 forward just sub in dopamine for Eph

[sick mantle]

EPH/Nova/Enveus could come back and mog 95% of the guilds on that list off rip.

[sick mantle]

Only if GeeeeTank is leading them

[polar veldt]

Let me tell you about aunt

[stoic cape]

Tbf you'd have to take from those guilds on that list for some of those guilds to come back, given their players scattered lol

Aura had EPH/Dopamine members and Nova Members at one point. A number of Enveus players in Polar / Delirium too.

[flat furnace]

Geee is a national treasure

[inner prawn]

All irrelevant my guy

[sick mantle]

Delirium still D tier. They might have some Enveus pieces but the gamers are in Polar.
Dopamine would go A tier. Full of gamers but the structure that EPH had was missing to be able to put them up to S.

[stoic cape]

I mean fair maybe. They didn't last long in AOC tbf. If they had been given time to cook more without the whole egirl drama and whatnot shutting down the guild, they could have been a force with their size and history of success in other games.

[storm oasis]

cartel during 2.5 were running like the akatsuki bro

top 5 all time: polar, eph, nova, dopamine, enveus

[storm oasis]

Aura could never organize well enough to have nova remnants and eph/dop remnants work together

[timid stone]

https://tenor.com/view/loud-noises-anchorman-yelling-yell-gif-5294834

[daring gust]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

<VICE> looking at <Polar> creating this list

[storm oasis]

ur delusional lil bro

[daring gust]

Same tier as Cats, hah

[polar veldt]

Listen votes matter ok.

[sudden cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[sick mantle]

tiers are ordered as well left to right

[polar veldt]

Otters being above EBC is pretty funny. I ain’t gonna lie

[violet lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1418307394592833636/1443289761966981441/image.png?ex=692887d6&is=69273656&hm=a744a3d75cde86c103a5775b1b0fd070e50e4d4cb8d1c683b3d81d636184d40a&

[sick mantle]

thats a meme tier

[wicked bone]

Who are the rogue guys

[sick mantle]

havoc EU guild

[polar veldt]

Havoc I think

[daring gust]

Nova didn't even play last phase this a propaganda to get them to come back? or this just not a tier list based off current state of game?

@wicked bone thats Havoc

[wicked bone]

Surprised madhouse didnt make it

[storm oasis]

havoc, cartel, madhouse are fire

don’t have madhouse icon

[sick mantle]

couldnt find a logo but they would be A tier

[daring gust]

I understand Cartel, Amnesty, Havoc's positions I'd say Amnesty pushes S tier personally

[lyric fjord]

That tier list is such bait.

[storm oasis]

someone send the list again I ain’t tryna scroll up

[polar veldt]

We’ll find out in a few weeks how accurate this list is

[violet lintel]

bruh it’s right there

[sick mantle]

Nah if anything I'd move Nova to S and leave A tier as is

[storm oasis]

wasn’t loading on phone for a min

[flat furnace]

If your ankles get bit enough times you fall over. 2 EZ

[daring gust]

And despite my "delusion" i understand Polar's ranking and not refuting that, Supple IMO is higher than B and to put Nova above them given P3's happening's is just not reflecting accuracy atm

[storm oasis]

I’d put madhouse top of b tier above supple

[lyric fjord]

Purple on B tier is funny

[daring gust]

Madhouse pretty strong and Id say A as well

[sick mantle]

Supple doesn't deserve higher. I saw them get farmed small scale by Cats.

[polar veldt]

Never really saw full potential of a lot of the list so. We shall see in the future

[sick mantle]

I'd put the 20 oso members from P3 above supple

[daring gust]

I'm not mad at our ranking because I know we have the potential to breach above that and I like playing with a chip on my shoulder anyways

[storm oasis]

just haven’t seen pvp vice feats against real ppl, only econ feats and fighting some of the least skilled dads I’ve ever seen

[sick mantle]

This is overall ranking from large to small scale. Which is why guilds like purple are B tier. Supple is B tier because they have the numbers for large scale and are decent large scale but their small scale is actually horrible

[grizzled widget]

this is some unreal enveus propaganda to muddy the record lmao

[daring gust]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-meme-funny-gif-15847690455777189602

[grizzled widget]

just no way anyone seriously puts enveus in the same sentence as eph and nova

[wicked bone]

I always thought this was the madhouse logo

[sick mantle]

id put them below eph/nova but still above most guilds on the list

[grizzled widget]

i mean yeah epherium and nova were light years ahead of the dad guilds that play this alpha. most of these guilds have no history outside of this game.

[polar veldt]

I mean at this point making the list I guess holds some good weight. Lots of guilds that aren’t even on the list lmao

[storm oasis]

I can’t think of a single guild not on that list

[grizzled widget]

and enveus's history outside of this game is literally getting dumpstered in archeage and new world. and in new world, by epherium lol

[polar veldt]

There’s alot of guilds that PvP that aren’t on the list

[storm oasis]

name em

[polar veldt]

The Aegies alliance or whatever has like 6 guilds that were in the last few seiges

[sick mantle]

whos in that

[lilac harness]

I would not say they pvp. I would say OverMeta should probably be on there somewhere, but not judgement/highwaymen/whoeverelse

[polar veldt]

Overmeta is another

[wicked bone]

Fungi, highwayman , kindred, judgment 😂

[polar veldt]

Again I don’t know how good they are or even if they are focused on PvP but just saying I’ve seen them in some sort of nature

[storm oasis]

over meta are just extremely bad nova - dogshit small scale dogshit large scale

[stoic cape]

Weve done a ton of pvp in P3. Been fun fighting yall.

But tbf is a guild list not an alliance list 😜

[steep furnace]

Hoes mad on AA? They were on top until devs started cheating for other guilds

[polar veldt]

Sure it’s still made up of guilds tho. I don’t really care. Was just stating the obvious

[lilac harness]

Yea, I wasn't saying to put them high. They just were active enough to be ranked in c or d or something. They were far more active than delirium.

[polar veldt]

Anvils is another I know they PvP. While they might be smaller etc

[novel turret]

powerscaling when 95% fights are against odds or surprise

only guild im aware of with feats is POLAR - winning major odds with strats and execution

[hasty gyro]

Yall are going to E tier

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/who-shocked-selfie-gif-14102603

[novel turret]

[echo mulch]

Nah that tier list looks good to me.

Nova coming back when?

Overmeta and yggbrasil did actually fight last phase. Might be just below cats.

[lilac harness]

There weren't many highlights that come to mind, but this is the only one that I can think of. Supple 1v3'ing OverMeta, Vice, and Delirium numbers down. We lost 3 out of the main raid. Second raid had like 10-15 people in it with 0 clerics, so I'm sure they probably had the majority of the deaths on the supple side.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2586486021?t=08h09m17s

[novel turret]

100v40

[sick mantle]

I was witness to the polar v supple/amnesty/ebc at 4 am back to back days.

[hasty gyro]

[lilac harness]

Yea, I saw the clips/vods from that war. It looked sick. Would have loved to be in it. I wasn't in supple at that time. I joined basically when everyone had already quit. This past phase was my first, so I don't really have a home still. I've just been floating around places.

[hasty gyro]

@novel turret that’s premium gas for the boys. I expect good loans next phase on my freehold mortgage rate

Idk how to add in the RP row that the over list had on my phone but that’s where I’d put otters/emberbeards/dunhold in the RP row

[novel turret]

moving axiom up to B tier after you recruited their core pvpers is diabolical

[golden oriole]

HAHAHAHAH

[hasty gyro]

gotta pay the dues

https://tiermaker.com/create/aoc-guild-ranks-18901428

[sick mantle]

UPDATE

[cyan violet]

https://tenor.com/view/really-really-loud-loud-noisy-roaring-sebastian-murphy-gif-15669417

[novel turret]

cats b tier opinion invalidated

[lilac harness]

Ay yo that dopamine discord server picture goes pretty hard.

[hasty gyro]

Move Enveus outta there. We were washed

[timid stone]

MFW I'm S A + B at the same time

[cyan violet]

Eitrigg era was peak.

[golden oriole]

mmm is this current guilds or guilds at their peak. tbf aura did manage to roster 50+ in the siege of windansea. i feel like they should be B. Obviously the guild is dead now tho

[cyan violet]

They’re back.

[grand lily]

When nova played they had multiple raids in open world PvP, was the most fun group to fight

[golden oriole]

i mean the guild is a shell. merged into supple and lost many of their best players to other guilds. multiple core leadership gone. now it’s just srixun, a bunch of crafters, and like 7 dudes from nova

[lilac harness]

Well, they did put their recruitment posts and what not up, but all of their good players are gone from my understanding. Leadership folded them into supple and now supple is being half assed about playing. The players are going places, but it isn't back to aura.

[grand lily]

Idk about mayors and voting power or Econ power. This is more like notoriety/ pvp power ish list

[novel turret]

guys - someone just pointed out to me that hardcore server first guild overlord is not on the list

[golden oriole]

does overlord have merch about server first wboss kills

[lilac harness]

Not that I have seen, but they do go on rants about competitive pinball a good deal in global. Never thought you'd see those words together, did ya?

[echo mulch]

Who?

I thought overlord existed just to give clover mayorship

[grand lily]

mayorship not based on attendance counts some day

[hasty gyro]

I need pictures of them and Pirates to add to the list

[sick mantle]

at their peak list dont change much

[golden oriole]

any comments from @tough cypress on the tierlist? y’all’s guild fallen to ruins

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

[cyan violet]

I’m gonna tier list the most annoying voices in comms.

[thin wigeon]

Standby was pretty good in P3, they took the 2nd place in the tournament and actually improved
Havoc also improved in P3

[flat furnace]

I'm easily s tier

[lyric fjord]

Neurotic Savages what tier

[golden oriole]

at their prime

probably vice level or purple level. they rocked with 20-25 people and pvp a lot

[wary lantern]

time to make a players tier list

[timid stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9k3A4wrf7E (still processing had to upload it)

[lyric fjord]

Nice! The only reason I find this really funny, is on that tierlist, somehow, Purple is B tier.
Sorry purple, you guys aren't good enough.
So I was wondering where Neurotic Savages would be on that tierlist to add to the nonesensical aspect of it. Neurotic Savages surely S++ tier if purple is B, right?

[timid stone]

I could write a couple page essay on why that list is nonsense but it's not worth the time, let everybody think what they want 🙂

[golden oriole]

make your list quick

https://tiermaker.com/create/aoc-guild-ranks-18901428

[hasty gyro]

Piratesoftware
Alec
Everyone else

[timid stone]

Gotta add Quoncy over Alec

[drifting herald]

Which end of the tier list are those goofballs ?

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-gregor-conor-ufc-boxing-gif-21215303

[timid stone]

https://youtu.be/jwVfaWWgahA?t=411 Whole video is good but here's the tldr

[drifting herald]

Zybak is a homie !

[golden oriole]

post it coward https://tiermaker.com/create/aoc-guild-ranks-18901428

[agile ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[drifting herald]

Who is American patriot , def isn’t Chris kyle !

[calm saddle]

I don't think I'd ever consider Enveus A tier tbh

I'm proud of the discussion that was started over my question though, been good reads

[drifting herald]

Yes what tier would you consider the guild you’re in ? Just Curious

[calm saddle]

I'm not in a guild right now, but if Legacy was playing, I would say S tier

[drifting herald]

Oh so you’re legacy lol

[calm saddle]

Yeah, I joined them during Atlas

Fought against them a few games before that, just kept losing, the guild I was in for Atlas entirely failed, so I jumped over

[golden oriole]

who tf is legacy. never heard of them. S tier is crazy

[drifting herald]

Yea what guild are you in ?

[golden oriole]

aura

[cyan violet]

You don’t need an essay to write “communal circlejerk”.

[agile ivy]

Enveus is recruiting out of gen pop now that DA has some ties. There's probably a lot of talented gamers in the penitentiary that should be getting out around release.

[calm saddle]

gw2, aa and bdo for mmos. Atlas, last oasis, gloria victis, foxhole for survivals, been around awhile. Very organized

uhh what's the link, oh yeah here it is https://www.lgcguild.com/

oh yeah and Wildstar, forgot about that one. They also did a stint in NW alpha and dropped that chapter when they changed the game's pvp

[drifting herald]

It’s a big community , but you said you’re not in a guild ? Meaning legacy isn’t going to rep in ashes ?

[calm saddle]

Legacy currently doesn't have much interest in Ashes

[cyan violet]

Only guild on the tier list that matters is Nova. They were battling out with Man Up in TERA.

[calm saddle]

I was gonna say, I don't think Manup played AA lol

[cyan violet]

Yes they did.

[drifting herald]

Cho nation didn’t either but that’s a guild of action combat badasses

[versed fulcrum]

They have been here since the beginning. Lots of PI. They knew that there was nothing for them to do until it got closer to release. They will be back in force once there is something worth their time here. So far there isn't.

[cyan violet]

https://youtu.be/HdGnwCdiSFE?si=8aZIKQcmIq-viMK1

[calm saddle]

I'd assume Cho did play AA or has a lot of former AA veterans, because you don't have hands like that from one mmo

[agile ivy]

Yea that was when I went to interview him. He's in good spirits. The structure has been good for him.

[calm saddle]

huh, the more you know

[drifting herald]

Cho is a word from BDO, if anything happened they went there not vice versa

[cyan violet]

Vysi told me Cho was good and that woman is a fucking Valkyrie in PvP.

[calm saddle]

Cho is really, really good. They were one of five guilds in tnl who could fight Eph gold, and if they had a full core, they could of probably beaten Eph gold

[drifting herald]

The all girls core team for Kitty rainbow dash in ESO , has girls that will Rek that ass in mmorpg combat !

[golden oriole]

sounds like fake news lol. 100% guarantee they are terrible when they play

[drifting herald]

Greeto from swtor , also a fucking insane madman when it comes to mmorpg numbers

[versed fulcrum]

We have had a host of people who love to keyboard flex about this or that over the years. Now the time is coming. Are they or aren't they? Will all get sorted down the line. But they coming. All the flexing in here atm? Is just the same shit that has gone on for years. The names come and go. IMP was basically Legacy here. The names on the beacons change, the the same people just float from guild to guild. Just if they decide now is the time to come back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqIquwVwvKk&feature=youtu.be

[sudden cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-typing-fast-pepetyping-gif-22951566

[golden oriole]

purple names proving once again they are role players from dead guilds. legacy aint doing shit

[versed fulcrum]

They will or they won't. It won't make a bit of difference for the crying.

[wicked bone]

I still dont know what guild unknown is in or if he even plays

[hasty gyro]

If you see purple names 90% don’t play

Unknown at least helps answer the newcomers questions and or links wikis about stuff being discussed

[void plaza]

a glorified bot basically

[timid stone]

Unknown is basically the three-eyed raven for Ashes

[hasty gyro]

Imagine if they held meetings with useful testers and not ppl who swiped years ago

[calm saddle]

What is defined as a useful tester though

The most bug reports? The most active? How do you ensure such individuals also don't have their own unreasonable bias? Etc

[wary lantern]

Players that actually test the game, every wipe/phase

[hasty gyro]

Hours played. Feedback left. Voted on by community. Idc. Anything besides whales who swiped

[calm saddle]

So do you mean the Polar players who shit on casuals every test, or do you mean the players shit on by Polar who think Polar are cheating, or do you mean the pvpers that want more pvp mechanics to the point that casuals quit, or the casuals who test that want less pvp?

[hasty gyro]

Unironically them making a community council and having players from all aspects of the community would go extremely hard. Same number of reps from pvpers as casual gatherers idc

[versed fulcrum]

So you are saying my activity and who may be playing next to you is unknown

[calm saddle]

Granted I'm not saying purple names are without bias, they have bias as well, but like, there's way too many bad ways to get bad eggs to try and get advice from. Ask mods? Half of them don't play and have their favorites they pick, etc. Ask the community? Some guilds will just vote their members in so they have a voice, even if they're unreasonable, etc.

[hasty gyro]

Unknown might even play. At least he’s active here. There’s PIs who type every couple weeks who should have zero input or direct line to devs

[wary lantern]

The systems are flawed and polar is providing some interesting data to the devs take that with a grain of salt

[calm saddle]

oh ik, but 95% of hardcores don't consider the playtime or value of casuals or mid tier players, which makes up like 80% of a game's population on average

[versed fulcrum]

"I am important. Other people who I believe Intrepid are listening to must be wrong. They should add me to the list. I am valuable, cause I have to believe that, or the whole house of cards of my identity crashes."

[calm saddle]

I think Coot would be a great source to ask input from overall, 'cause he doesn't really give a shit about the politics even if he's a Polar member, but there are others who would say absolutely not just because he's Polar, and those others are a lot of the game's population, etc.

[versed fulcrum]

Hint: Steven aint listening to anyone, regardless of name color.

[cyan violet]

She said there was a couple of guilds that rolled em over or some shit. TnL was kamakaze dive bombing so I wasn’t interested.

[calm saddle]

Rolled who over, cho or eph?

[hasty gyro]

Let say council can be 5 members and I’m allowed to pick myself:
Coot
Bounc
Thundr/Tango
Lennox
Anyone between Miruku/Roxis/North

Easy. You have Questing covered by the Lore master himself Lennox. You have econ covered by Bounc and one of the vice boys. And you have PvP covered by Me/any of the 5th choice and everyone on the list all dabbles and has good takes on every system

[timid stone]

TnL was fun

[calm saddle]

FUCK Epherium, I remember you sitting there just posting rap lyrics at bosses endlessly smh

[hasty gyro]

I would sacrifice my spot on a council if offered to ensure Bounc got on the council so that devs can have input from someone who understands their Econ

[timid stone]

Me specifically? Lol I did do that didn't I

[calm saddle]

yah it was you specifically 'cause I remember my sleep deprived ass seeing chat be spammed by some rap song and I'm like aight this guy's getting blocked lol

[calm saddle]

I mostly like this except Tango I'm a little on the fence about because he makes Youtube videos and weirdly tries to get people to watch them, otherwise agreed

[hasty gyro]

I just think Tango is smart on the Econ tbh. Anyone in Vice would probably be fine

[storm oasis]

just do thundr

[prime pelican]

U guys forgot what happened on shol on p2.5...

[fair roost]

if this corrupt company can do it. Surely intrepid can make a btr one

[ripe gorge]

lol they already have this. its the PI. Dead Serious lol steven will say well we have the PI so we dont need this

[versed fulcrum]

They can just get the Twitch Safety Council back to advocate for the Tulnar.

[flat furnace]

Twitch is lucky it still exists

[hasty gyro]

I’ll make a tier list later of members of the community. We can rank them 1-9 (9 spot council is BIS) I’ll be putting TM Srix and Liniker on it for the content side of the council

[timid stone]

I kick it to shorty to try to help him understand
Hit him with work, 'cause yo, that's my little man
He asked a few questions 'bout the game and I told him
So when he made a bad move it was my place to scold him
Never told him nothin' wrong, kept it fair
Didn't listen, so I might as well have been talkin' to the air
Everybody makes mistakes, a mistake is aight
But if it ain't, I'ma tell you straight, time to say, "Goodnight"

[sick mantle]

oh hell nah

[versed fulcrum]

You should call a Guild Summit and generate your list that way. Always works out. And the content. Spicy.

[sick mantle]

I think we can all agree that FED is "lol" tier tho

[cyan violet]

Same monkey mentality that gets a lot of good classes nerfed. Void Blade from Void Gaunt

[ripe gorge]

how many of u fools gonna buy every cosmetic on rotation lets hear it truthfully

[rough silo]

I got pinged, should I bother?

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/with-this-treasure-i-summon-megumi-mahoraga-gif-17411827983770801229

I summon you all @rugged apex @prime escarp @gleaming blade @storm wedge @lofty wyvern and whatever other GMs are out there for a guild summit before launch. Topics will be voted upon by community

[cyan violet]

I guess there’s two guilds that managed to make EPH dodge or some shit. I don’t pay attention to TnL politics.

[versed fulcrum]

Here, you can have this for next time. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807040950240542732/829322940427272202/image0.gif?ex=69283bad&is=6926ea2d&hm=4cc10064ca80436eeb277e0b1b9e8fb9d886e6ab9fe3dfa55207ebe70c91a95f&

[gleaming blade]

Sure I can do that Coot

[timid stone]

Multiple communities want my guild leader involved in the summit and I agree

[gleaming blade]

GBK should def be in too - My contingency is bring GBK if you want me too 🙂

[hasty gyro]

I tried tagging him but it didn’t pop up 🙁

[hasty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-deal-yeah-right-agreed-i-would-make-that-deal-gif-15679299

[gleaming blade]

https://tenor.com/view/lwts-lets-go-gif-25090667

[rough silo]

bro tim is sleeping, wtf is wrong with you

[hasty gyro]

I wake the sleeping dragon kangaroo

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[cyan violet]

Kek

[ripe gorge]

tim loves being pinged

[rough silo]

IS FUCKING ARENA OF WORDS FUCKING BOT PIECE OF SHIT

[hasty gyro]

Did I ping the wrong GM for supple I always forgot who tf was in charge

[grizzled widget]

Dopamine was pretty much the same roster as Epherium, but kind of hilarious you put Dopamine in A tier and EPH in S tier

[ripe gorge]

somebody make a discord Ai bot that just instigates fights between guilds

[grizzled widget]

again, this is 100% sanewashing or propaganda posting

[cyan violet]

Squeakers do that on their own

[ripe gorge]

i wana see the rp guilds beefing before launch. Rival Tavarns

[calm saddle]

The lack of Alec brought Dopamine down a grade, rough...

[rough silo]

We are so bored that I got pinged twice, any TLDR? i cba.

[cyan violet]

I don’t think most of the RP guilds are playing, youd have to ask them.

[grizzled widget]

Alec barely even played Ashes bro lol

[calm saddle]

eph didn't dodge anybody on na so idk what vy is talking about @hushed grove ?!

[grizzled widget]

He played Ashes for like 3 weekend tests lmfao.

[ripe gorge]

lol no not many ppl in general playing ashes rn. hopefully at ea launch we will see some more communites coming in

[rough silo]

EPH?

[ripe gorge]

iv been in ashes discord more than in game in phase 3

[hasty gyro]

We posted guild tier lists. Someone had yall in D

[grizzled widget]

It is the PvP meta

[rough silo]

What does have to do with me? Opinion of people that somehow barely play.

[cyan violet]

I’d be very careful to use any labels, Ashes isn’t in a state to truly call competitive. @calm saddle asked about a pond, I said the bitch is still being dug imo. We aren’t even out of alpha.

[timid stone]

And it's shaped like a dick for some reason

[ripe gorge]

i think harbingers was a first attempt at giving us some kind of pvp content for end game loop or w.e. hopefully there is more pvp in general in ea cuz its been dead af

[cyan violet]

Some reason.

[rough silo]

I was aiming so high this phase.

[ocean kraken]

Pinging a bunch of GMs that don't play the game is crazy work

[wary lantern]

You are bald irl

[hushed grove]

wat

[calm saddle]

what's with that ai ass pfp, smh

[hushed grove]

[rough silo]

Nah I have no receding hairline but thank you for asking

[hushed grove]

Yes it was (despite being an awful game)

[cyan violet]

Needs a bit more thought on the kit to really shape high level strategy and tactics too, hopefully they make artisan good as they made deep sea and bring in Darkfalls asset destruction..

[rough silo]

Is this tierlist of how many egirls you have in your guild? If so the ranking fits

[cyan violet]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-puke-puke-vomit-kitty-vomit-cat-vomit-gif-10902081098279086080

[flat furnace]

You already missed it
The winner was everyone except Dunhold

[rough silo]

@hasty gyro is for this you're bothering me for? EGIRL tierlist? jfc

[flat furnace]

I can assure you it does not. That is one of the few tier lists where we rise well above D

[hushed grove]

There's no shot that we're sticking people who got rolled over repeatedly in multiple mmo's in A tier

[hasty gyro]

I can’t even click to go to that message on mobile idk what it is. Is it my tier list nvm it worked

[hasty gyro]

Oh fuck no that’s not my list

[rough silo]

Peak boredom you go around collecting guild logos to make a tierlist

[calm saddle]

I made some random Aura nerd mad earlier by saying Legacy would be S tier in that tierlist lmao

[flat furnace]

I still love that we have a guild in s tier that played the game for 3 weeks over a year ago

[hushed grove]

I assume that legacy would body anyone on there other than Eph under Alec if Eph still existed, but...

To be fair I've never actually seen what Legacy can do

[calm saddle]

I think Polar would beat up Legacy for awhile simply due to experience with the game and then it'd be a good fight for awhile

[hushed grove]

^ very temporary though

[calm saddle]

no idea, I thought Supple would pick it up fast and apparently they lost to Polar most of p3

[void plaza]

so are u guys coming back for this ea?

[hushed grove]

This ea is definitely not worth sending out the clarion call for, for anyone

[calm saddle]

Legacy? As far as I know no, I think AoC has to get a lot better before people give AoC a chance again

[rough silo]

3.5

EA DEEZ, ITS 3.5 YOU ARE NOT A STEAM SHEEP

[void plaza]

make sense, thats also the reason why we froze cartel, people dont wanna run a hardcore guild until things look more complete

[hushed grove]

It's still just a really bad TEMU archeage

[rough silo]

come join us, come kill polar that is recruing 2/3 of the discord server nobody wants to play mage these phases 🤣

[void plaza]

boy do i have news for u

[hasty gyro]

that was mine

[drifting herald]

lol steam sheep, I like that one , like nice rude

[calm saddle]

whose the book/knife/illuminati symbol

[ripe gorge]

wheres the pirates at

[void plaza]

BRO WE REALLY NEED BETTER PR (its cartel)

[ocean kraken]

bam in shambles

[hushed grove]

Europe doesn't exist

[calm saddle]

lol wtf that's your guild symbol?

[void plaza]

yeah its the og cartel logo

[drifting herald]

lol why is it polar at the top, the guild known for cheating that no one likes , arguably wouldn’t even make a tier list !

[storm oasis]

oh hell nah Mara get out of here bro

[lean wedge]

illuminati logo

[calm saddle]

I'mma be real Ado that logo looks like something 12 year old me would of made on modern warfare 2 as a tag by just combining a bunch of random cool shit

[hasty gyro]

Order:

• Polar & Cartel
• Madhouse, Amnesty, Nova, Holiday
• Vice, Supple, Havoc, Aura, Purple, Cats, Axiom
• EBC, Eclipse, Genesis, Otters, Emberbeards, Dunhold
• FED, Fungi, Delirium

[drifting herald]

Ah hell na , Mara ain’t going no where ! Call me Mr constant reminder

[hushed grove]

So you do think that it's cool?

[ocean kraken]

As a neutral 3rd party, Thats legit like asking why are you in this discord..

[storm oasis]

ts is not tuff unc

[calm saddle]

once upon a time, I'm a little older now

[rough silo]

another egirl tierlist?

[hushed grove]

Imagine not being old... What a time it must be for those young people

[hasty gyro]

My list took into factor 2.5 and forward since that’s when we got to play with EU

[echo mulch]

The deathly hallows

[calm saddle]

67 labubu 67

[drifting herald]

It’s a game discord , now polar discord I don’t need access to , I have moles there

[hasty gyro]

You can’t mention egirls if you’re named after an actress

[hushed grove]

I came to a realization that made me feel ancient the other day...

Skyrim came out so long ago that I have now been alive for longer after Skyrim than before it

[storm oasis]

are we talking peak p2 nova?? If so I’m putting that top of a

[calm saddle]

Hmm, I kind of feel like Supple should be a tier higher, but otherwise looks solid yeah

[echo mulch]

Theres 30k people in the discord. You can def see public chat there.

[rough silo]

I mean Polar talk about other when they are after an animal, point being?

[hasty gyro]

I had to move them down if I wanted Aura on it separately

[void plaza]

this is what i cooked when my gm asked me to put a recruiting ad at the end of a video

[rough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[calm saddle]

The xbox is considered a retro console now

[hasty gyro]

2.5 and 3. If you include p2 you’d prob have to include EPH and Dopamine which I didn’t really PvP much back then so idk

[hushed grove]

[rough silo]

that will help the gamer dads see.

[drifting herald]

Bro , lol 30k yet only like 10 of yall are here ! Seems sus ngl , no way you guys recruited 30k legit gamers for ashes lol

[echo mulch]

P2 nova was peak

[storm oasis]

oh fair then, including dope and eph in their peak I’d put eph s tier (simply for when they were fully dominant), then dope top of a bc they didn’t have alec

[void plaza]

as u can see we lack a good graphic designer

[hushed grove]

Full eph with TnL roster would literally yeet all of the NA guilds at the same time

[rough silo]

you could've AI Slopped if you really wanted....

[calm saddle]

when I think of Cartel I think of like, a hooded dude holding a knife, or maybe a swaggy dressed dude holding a gun, something like that. Hooded dude with a knife would probably be easier, if albeit more common, simply because 90% of games have similar symbols you can grab for ur guild icon

[echo mulch]

I mean i know youre dumb but obviously we dont have 30k in the discord playing ashes. If you had moles in the cord you'd know our number count.

[storm oasis]

I’m talking ashes not tnl gang, guilds have come to ashes after being dominant in another just to get turbo spanked

[drifting herald]

Its all mobile gamers lol poor cheap bastards got scammed lol 29,975 / 30000 are mobile gamers , the others play ashes lol

[void plaza]

this feels more authentic...

[rough silo]

fair

[drifting herald]

It’s literally people you would never guess , I don’t beef with everyone in there , just the shitty ones

[calm saddle]

no one has beef with you Mara ur just a little dumb or annoying sometimes

[drifting herald]

Oh yea that’s it let’s go with that

[calm saddle]

The first step is acceptance I'm glad we're making progress together 🙏

[hushed grove]

It's not really a relevant conversation though when nobody has a roster showing up - and the community for RvR pvp is small enough that people generally have a vibe on what the full rosters are capable of when commited

TnL is the last game that any guild actually showed up to with some numbers (although even there most guilds didn't take it seriously / full commit)

[drifting herald]

Never giving you gear or advice in game again, shit talking prick !

[drifting herald]

Fuck him, once I go for him , he’s really not gonna like me , even tho I never did shit to him !

[calm saddle]

I'm not gonna care but uhh good luck homie lol

[rough silo]

If we making egirl guild tierlist, ill make mine too:

• Amnesty, Nova, Aura
• Cartel ( Miruku carrying EU EGIRL section, never seen so many people want to bendover a british and bring it to NA so badly ), VICE, Purple, Supple,
• EBC ( We have egirls but they are upsidedown so you arent aware of them ), CWB ( Dusty carrying the egirl section )
• Emberbeard, Delirium, Eclipse, Genesis?
• Axiom ( Egirl doesnt get mount throw's BF, ask polar for help, quits entire phase ), Polar ( TMX, Kaiser, Mav and some others carrying the section there ), FED
• Honorable Mention: Kaisu ( Biggest discord thot )

Some guilds aren't mentioned due region or just because I really don't care about RP morons.

[rough silo]

@hasty gyro @void plaza there it go

[echo mulch]

Gives off "if you pick on me 7 or 8 more times, then I swear I'll get back at you.... maybe" vibes.

[calm saddle]

gonna be threatening to beat me up irl again soon, stay tuned

[hushed grove]

Would there be passionate yaoi after the beating upings?

[hasty gyro]

Amnesty and Nova? I mean Tim’s thicc but #1???

[rough silo]

Tim is the #1 egirl multiracial fits so many boxes, Liniker is a cleric diva.

[drifting herald]

I mean it is what it is , all this make believe bs drama is funny to me

[hushed grove]

The most unfathomable part of the whole thing to me is still... How she (the homewrecker) looked

Like he BASICALLY chose to cheat on his SO for a person who basically looks like an Ashes character

[rough silo]

chaunsey?

[void plaza]

i wish we had egirls bro

[rough silo]

Have you read? Miruku is carrying.

[drifting herald]

We ? , wait aren’t you female ?

[sick mantle]

Supple came full force and got dog walked by polar after their leadership joined polar in p2.5 to leech 💀

[hushed grove]

I still have to protest and state that she was FLAT not FAT (I mean, maybe a bit fat but wtf the flat was basically inverted... I have never seen such a thing.)

[void plaza]

i am but i dentify as a male

[drifting herald]

Ok ok so it wouldn’t be out of line if someone said , go fuck yourself ?

[void plaza]

it would be pretty rude

[rough silo]

@agile ivy Do i have consent to make a soundboard of you saying "We are throwing all away for QUONCY?"

[hushed grove]

Supple had 200+ people logging in for bosses?

[rough silo]

Just polar propaganda man...

[agile ivy]

Yes. In fact I demand it.

[inner prawn]

She was beautiful leave that queen alone !!!

[lilac harness]

Im relatively new to ashes, and this guild drama is great. Can't believe I missed it.

[hushed grove]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-so-lenore-castlevania-i-am-not-sure-of-it-i-am-unsure-gif-16607181124228079253

[calm saddle]

lol I'm watching castlevania rn

[hushed grove]

https://tenor.com/view/lenore-hector-good-boy-walkies-gif-23612689

[calm saddle]

nope I'd stay in my jail cell would never happen

[inner prawn]

She defeated EPH when nobody else could.

[hushed grove]

https://tenor.com/view/lenore-youre-disgusting-eew-castlevania-gif-25771175

You've spent too much time with Drake

[golden oriole]

Leave it to a bunch of freaks to talk about how a woman looks, rather than the fact that she toppled one of the largest and most ego’d guilds SINGLE-HANDEDLY

[timid stone]

It sucks because it peaked in phase 1

[inner prawn]

And she did it with no tits what a feat

[timid stone]

Too many people won't get that unfortunately but good joke

[lilac harness]

Yea, this past phase was my first. I hear all these stories about past phases, and it seems like several core aspects of the game have taken a good few steps backwards. Hopefully that changes in the future.

[inner prawn]

Unfortunately you might have missed all the fun already.

[golden oriole]

just need nova to come back

[hushed grove]

What are the odds that Ashes somehow ends up less hype/lasting less than like... Unchained AA?

Beta next year btw

[golden oriole]

one of my boys played in p2 and said it was daily 80v80 at world bosses with nova

[flat furnace]

the good old days

[timid stone]

It always felt like they could've leaned a lot heavier into the world bosses and the conflict that could create, but I think they were waiting on their tech to catchup to the demand. Now that we're finally seeing some new world bosses, hopefully that'll start being a bigger priority overall and it'll drive a lot of good conflict

[inner prawn]

Let's hope it doesn't fall that far...

[hushed grove]

Surely one day there will be an endgame loop

[flat furnace]

I'm just happy there will be multiple so hopefully more than 1 spawns around the same time so people need to choose

[echo mulch]

I'd stream more if guilds werent absolutely FREAKS

[drifting herald]

Goofball trying to copy tm pfp

[inner prawn]

I would love for a unchained AA server right about now

[flat furnace]

Likely when we have end game level characters but that's just a guess

[hushed grove]

Archerage literally has more pvp'ers than ashes during p2/p3 and we're hitting EA on steam next month...

It's not looking great

[echo mulch]

I used to stream caravan runs. I got polar tag now so I cant do shit

[inner prawn]

Played Aion 2 yet?

[hushed grove]

I have not, I saw the outrageous monetization + heard that it's basically a PvE TnL clone and have just kind of ignored it until further review.

The character creator seems great though

[inner prawn]

The monetization has to change when it comes here that's definitely gotta go.

[hushed grove]

I heard that someone spent 150k already

[rough silo]

Anyone seen panda? 🤔

[inner prawn]

I kinda like so far but I love KR trash

[hushed grove]

Is there pvp? Like beyond just random 1v1's in the shared zones or w/e.

[inner prawn]

Yes, there's a lot actually

[golden oriole]

right now the endgame is farming gear no? like with vans, market, gathering, sportsfishing, or harbringers.

but after you get your gear, there is no goal as world boss gear is mid so not worth fighting for late game, sieges have no consequence, and castles don’t exist right? so once any of these 3 things become reasons to have gear, there is no endgame

[hushed grove]

temu archeage but without any of the fun stuff / content / pvp / ect... and also super ugly.

[golden oriole]

i think the game looks good from what i’ve seen. but yeah needs a REASON for the gear you farm

[hushed grove]

Ser... Have you seen Riley from the trailer? Or the characters in general?

[inner prawn]

Literally just copy AA with no p2w, no alts and no labor points and add better pve you are set

[echo mulch]

Gear farming, gold farm, enchanting, slaving away for workbenches

[golden oriole]

idc about the character models lol. i mean the world and animations of shit.

[calm saddle]

AA small scale pvp actually wasn't that great imo and I die on that hill. One cc break and pvp just being about who can make the other pop their cc break first is mid

[cyan violet]

Ball PvP usually isnt great.