alpha-two-lotharia-eu

[midnight dawn]

@faint steppe

[unkempt hemlock]

oh thought u had gotten like 2 up in anvils

[midnight dawn]

nope jus tkt

[unkempt hemlock]

funny, same is kinda happening on EU just holiday having fun here

[midnight dawn]

lmaoo

[unkempt hemlock]

mira has 2 buildings and 1 upgrade, but they arent doing anything so cant really count on something being built there

[fiery plover]

How do you expect it to make gold with no processing?

[unkempt hemlock]

Thats up the mayor to figure out is it not? Even vhalgadim has managed to progress faster even tho it became a town like 2 weeks later

[fiery plover]

Sure. Just duplicate a processing station. Not hard to figure that out is it. May as well build milling since it has a woodshop. Prob will get all the traffic from Winstead and make far more gold

[nova heath]

Just build a casino

[distant hill]

Already have those, it’s called a metalworking station

[nova heath]

lame

[distant hill]

what you meeean

[nova heath]

ill just do my own casino

[mild patio]

server just died?

[cosmic knot]

yeah

[knotty latch]

server died?

@pallid elk

[cosmic knot]

login servers down too

[ripe sand]

yeah

emergency maintenance

without chance to let people be safe

[mild patio]

if they had pinged, the 2 min wouldve been enough to get to a safe spot

[ripe sand]

is what it is

I guess they had to..

They did write Emergency. Maybe someone dropped a bottle of juice in the server station or smt 😛

[mossy bramble]

exploits, rollback time

[flat flax]

Wondering which guild duped again 🤭 hust Holiday hust

[mild patio]

they could give an upfront warning if it were just that

or because of the rollback, it doesnt matter, but they said they can't give time to get to safety, not that it's redundant

[mossy bramble]

maybe it was a case of seeing a raid of 50 people doing it and wanted to catch it before anything made its way into econ

[flat flax]

🔨 time

[ripe sand]

doing what? lol this crate shit again?

[fiery plover]

?

Another dog guild throwing out random accusations I see

[woeful bolt]

Nah, they have their gathering hud, they don't need to dupe

[fervent charm]

Don't mind him, it's a known individual with #soldeusbad syndrome

[flat flax]

Mhm Sure Flanker, I'm so glad not to be you. If I were you I would deinstall this game and would sell my PC haha 😂 ur not good in anything u do. Ur bad in calling, bad with ur class and ur personality is like the same of Donald Trump 😘

And imagine "Holiday" call other guilds as Dog ... The dumbest guild on lotharia .. so sweet

[fervent charm]

To all those wondering what triggered this crashout that lasted for 8 months already, it was a short highlight on YT: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yyNA6qgs5XQ

It's been 8 months, yet you still can't let it go. You still spam trash in my DMs, under my videos, I mean... If you were my friend, I'd be concerned, ngl

[fervent charm]

Oh really? Got any proof or it's just like always, nothing more than empty words?

[nova heath]

The close range snipe

[fervent charm]

It's whatever at that point, I could click anything when there is only 1 guy left

[nova heath]

FFA would turn in his grave if he saw that

[vivid torrent]

There is also an channel dedicated to trash, suggest you take the discussion there instead.. 😅

[fervent charm]

Well, I'm not the one who started it here

[vivid torrent]

But you are eager to keep the discussion rolling also, but generally I didn’t mean you specific, but the whole discussion

[fervent charm]

If someone pokes at me, I might sometimes reply when I'm in the mood
Not interested in switching elsewhere, if it's written here, I'll reply here

[fiery plover]

#rentfree

[fervent charm]

#rentfree

[vivid torrent]

Ofc, it’s up to the mods to clean up so

[fiery plover]

Ye, they can start by cleaning up the baseless accusations from all the little ones we’ve hurt in the past from playing the game too well

[vivid torrent]

On another note, is there any town planning to go master herbalism,

[vivid torrent]

Yes that might be a good start also

[fiery plover]

Not seen any mentioned of it. Next I’ve heard it’s Vhalg Metal (bugged Settlements tax atm) Winstead Weaponsmith and Armour (also bugged) 🤣 and Lab and Alchemy being pushed in Joeva. Mira is doing GM Carpentry if it ever gets any gold

[jagged kite]

God this game never fails to disappoint

[nova heath]

It only disappoints, tf you mean

[vivid torrent]

Yep a lot bugs around

[jagged kite]

Well the community sure as shit keeps it going

[nova heath]

That for sure

[deep gazelle]

hows your RS account @nova heath ? you enjoying the hardcore ironman?

[nova heath]

barley played, not for me

[full obsidian]

No one cares 😄

[keen scarab]

Holiday exploting again

[woeful veldt]

Cartel exploiting again

FF

[olive pebble]

I mean, it’s clearly known that u got exploiters in ur guild mr Flankah

[nova heath]

its clearly known you tried to exploit but failed to do so

[olive pebble]

Yeh I used to be a wannabe-exploiter, now I run legendary 3x1 vans

I learned to embrace the suck

[nova heath]

if you try enough you might succeed eventually

[fiery plover]

Where’s the exploit

[fervent charm]

Are those exploiters in the same room with you right now?

Cuz I remember you threatening to report me for "mob training" when I did absolutely nothing
And even if I did, that still wouldn't be an exploit

[olive pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-oh-yeah-yodeling-gif-12466201

[fervent charm]

Wow, picked a bunch of crates that cost 50s to craft, damn

Obviously, a huge crime, definitely much more serious than RMT and overlays that remain unpunished in majority of cases

Funny how those crates spawn in many (or all, idk) nodes and there are many people picking them up

Pretty sure you put in the same amount of effort to report all of them, right?

[olive pebble]

Those crates are the one created during prior the server resets, most of them are heroics since everyone is running heroic crates.

Your guildie is collecting them and then delivering them using vans later in the day to achieve profits.

[fervent charm]

Heroic crate cost 50s to craft kekw
Insane dupe, worth the life sentence

[olive pebble]

What doest that even mean? It’s free fucking crates dude, what’s hard to comprehend?
if u take 12 out of those 50+ that spawns and deliver it using those bugged vans its more than 40g x run.
Money printed without investing time to buy/gather mats

[fiery plover]

Where is it explicitly said for people not to touch them?

[fervent charm]

Buying mats takes less than summoning a caravan

Saying that as someone who crafts like ~50 a day

[olive pebble]

And I don’t care if there’s other people doing it in other nodes. Your guildie were the one actually catch up doing the exploit and now you saying “oh it’s fine because everyone else is doing it”
Such a childish behaviour man, grow up

[fervent charm]

Nah, that's whatever

The funniest thing is how they cherry pick 1 person out of probably 3-digit number of players who picked those

[fervent charm]

Where do i say "it was fine"?

[fiery plover]

Guy has a hard on, let him run with it. Prob have to ban half the server at this rate so many people have picked those crates up

[olive pebble]

<@&519722995778977812> are people intended to collect the crate towers in nodes? These dude thinks that it is

[fiery plover]

All 20 of the EU playerbase left

[fiery plover]

I demand that every player that has picked one up and put in storage is banned kekw

[olive pebble]

Only If u keep doing it, of course

[fervent charm]

I haven't touched those and recommended not to touch them to others

However, if you think those crates will stay where they are if Midaza didn't pick them up, you are delusional

[olive pebble]

There’s probably those numbers at 6 am, 10 of which are Holiday taking those free crates

[fiery plover]

If you say so friend

[fervent charm]

Dude, you talk about him and Holiday only because when you talk about yourself and your guild, nobody cares

[fiery plover]

Can't argue with stupid

[fervent charm]

Makes you feel relevant and important, ey?

[olive pebble]

Ahahah what does this even mean? I don’t fucking care about being relevant or important to a game community of 2000 players.

I care about reporting active exploiters

[olive pebble]

We are not living ur dream, sir

[fervent charm]

I suppose the right way to say it is "I'm desperately looking for a reason to trash talk Holiday, even if that requires making a tempest in a teapot, while relying on the echo chamber of the like-minded individuals"

[fiery plover]

Why hasn't intrepid done or said anything officially about it yet? Something so widely and freely available on every crash, restart, update spread across 5 settlements...

[olive pebble]

Keep living the dream, sir.
Your guild is exploit-free and I am looking to feel relevant and important to the 18 people writing in this discord channel

[fiery plover]

Apology accepted

https://tenor.com/view/good-day-to-you-thomas-brackenreid-murdoch-mysteries-have-a-good-day-farewell-gif-25067896

[mossy bramble]

Can you guys stop fighting in my peace chat pls?

[fervent charm]

You've been crying since p2, apparently getting perma steamrolled leaves long-lasting consequences

[fiery plover]

At least people are talking in it for once

🙃

[mossy bramble]

yeah coz folk have better things to do than engage with ya'lls petty feud

[fiery plover]

Name me one thing better

More pvp in here in than this whole phase xd

[mossy bramble]

idk smearing my face with shit would achieve more

[fiery plover]

Off you pop then, let me know how it tastes

[mossy bramble]

good one mate

[fervent charm]

Just ask epito

[fiery plover]

https://tenor.com/view/glen-powell-cowboy-hat-twisters-glen-powell-cowboy-hat-twisters-hat-tip-gif-5118912828705353208

[olive pebble]

I literally called u out for mob trailing ONCE and that shit stuck to your head for how many months now?

What a narcissist behaviour mr Flankah

[fervent charm]

Which I never did
When is your bday? Gonna buy you glasses

And if I did, who cares about you crying about something that is not an exploit according to Steven

[olive pebble]

I literally came to your twitch chat iirc to say that once and maybe sent 1 message here on discord about that episode, and it was back in december 2024.
Can you comprehend how much you stick to this kind of shit?

[jagged kite]

You are all bad

[fervent charm]

I'm showing the pattern and explain the reasons behind your obsession. Simple as that

[olive pebble]

Go back to shol

[jagged kite]

Shol was less competition than eu

[olive pebble]

And I am trying to explain that’s only in ur head, but mr Narcissisker won’t ever get it

[fervent charm]

Whatever helps you sleep better at night mate

[olive pebble]

I don’t need anything else, your videos are great to fall asleep to.

( please bro don’t take it seriously )

[fervent charm]

Why would I? I operate within the reality and I know what my voice sounds like. I didn't choose it, so I work with what I have

[olive pebble]

No, I meant that I don’t watch ur videos

[rigid verge]

what a weird read

[woeful bolt]

no u 😠

I chopped more trees in palworld than you, come fight me

[undone pecan]

I don't understand what the problem is? Are we flaming the janitors for cleaning up town?

[full obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[nova heath]

its wild that epito calling people out for exploiting when he wants to do it himself

quite ironic

[fervent charm]

I can definitely see that 😄

[deep gazelle]

All i gonna say is,
Midaza was looking for a guild like yesterday.
Hes a new member so saying "holiday again" is quite a stretch.

This could have easily been talking aboit in dm's cause holiday leadership prob isn't aware midaza was doing this.

Saying it's a exploit or not, let's be real that's not our call to make untill a staff member actually talks about it, but at the same time be prepared for consequences to happen if they decide it is a exploit (let's be real they done it multiple times where it took them long enough to react to rule it's a exploit and delete gold/items or throw bans)

Further more let's jeel drama to #eu-arena-of-words

Can we agree to that?

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-lot-of-text-lots-of-reading-too-much-reading-corl-corl-horl-gif-14051903

[fervent charm]

You don't realize what a funny message you just wrote, ngl

Here is my point on this

Should people pick up those crates? Obviously not. In a perfect world those crates should remain there forever and not a single person would touch them. However, in a perfect world they wouldn't appear there in the first place

In real world, they will end up being picked up by someone anyway. Out of all players who picked those crates (and there are many of them), it is only Midaza that people cry about. I'm not trying to apply whataboutism, I'm just stating a fact that some people don't care about the issue that much, they just want a reason to hate Holiday. This is a fact and if you disagree with it - sorry, that's totally delulu

Is it a big deal? Not really, at least to the best of my knowledge. Those crates still need to be delivered to make any remotely meaningful amount of gold.

Will there be any repercussions for players who did this? I don't think so, since more serious issues (like using dot while gathering etc.) was not punished. At least I haven't heard about anyone getting punished for that.

And that was generating much more gold than random crates with the combined value of 3-5-7g, since heroic crates are like ~50s to craft

[woeful bolt]

Always the same people exploiting every phase and then justifying it. Atleast have the balls to say yeah I exploit in an alpha who cares bitch

The best thing was when you said driving caravans outside the world borders was okay because you lost so many out there due to the area not being supposed to get used that it was fair

I wonder how much you giggle when writing these things

[fervent charm]

You're fully lost if you think that is an "exploit" that gives you any benefits

[woeful bolt]

Let's move to another channel if you wish to talk more about this as it's pretty hard to not sound offensive

[fervent charm]

10% of the route in water that gives you 50% chance to see your caravan and cargo vanish

That water was a better gold sink that enchanting

[woeful bolt]

Yeah, you drove caravans outside the map because it was a disadvantage and for roleplay

Idk if you think people are that stupid

Or just meme

It's really hard to tell

But I wish you a great evening

[fervent charm]

A few people tried it to realize it's a black hole, GG

An insane "exploit" where you lose more than you gain (as if 10% of the route distance somehow mattered)

You're clueless if you think it gave any benefits

[woeful bolt]

Yeah why would cutting off half the way and driving safely in an area where nobody can get give you any benefits. You only did it because you enjoy taking a bath

Glad you stay washed

[fervent charm]

"Half the way", okay bro, I should buy you glasses as well for your bday

[woeful bolt]

Technically it was 47.2%, I held my ruler on my screen so you're wrong and the exploiting was fine

[fervent charm]

Clueless bambi

[deep gazelle]

Okay but have you grinded korrin yet today?

[woeful bolt]

Nah my guild it not currently at war

[deep gazelle]

Same

What guild you in kiko?

[woeful bolt]

none

[deep gazelle]

Wait you still get that message? XD

[woeful bolt]

I'm not even playing the game

[deep gazelle]

Rip

[woeful bolt]

I'm just staying up to date with memes

[fervent charm]

I can tell

[deep gazelle]

But Korrin needs you

We're dedicated to make korrin a town 🤷‍♂️

[woeful bolt]

Idk, hire hellen wong and some chinese fishers, I heard 24/7 afk fishing is decent to level nodes

[fervent charm]

It's not

[woeful bolt]

You like run fish crates or something

[deep gazelle]

Can't fish on korrin :x

[fervent charm]

You get like 28xp once

[woeful bolt]

Rip, maybe we get fish in the ocean in nov then

[fervent charm]

Kill 1 mob in a raid of 40 people and you get the same amount of node XP multipled by 40

In Tropics there is only 1 river where you can fishh

[deep gazelle]

Which is wild, imagine not being able to f8sh on a island

[woeful bolt]

You underestimate the amount of employees miss wong has

Imagine 200 chinese fishing for a week

[deep gazelle]

Imagine being able to fish 🤷‍♂️

I really hope they fox that woth ocean update but x to doubt

[woeful bolt]

Imagine commiting so hard to an alpha in it's worst phase

Even flankers friend kyle or what his name was gave up on the game I think

[deep gazelle]

Honestly i'm just testing the alleged "node exp fixes"

(Rhey don't seem fixed)

[woeful bolt]

I dunno, I feel like it's disprespecting your time to ask you to do that when a gm could spawn in 5000 npcs and /nuke them

[deep gazelle]

Well they said it's fixed

[woeful bolt]

Yeah they said release in 2020

[deep gazelle]

Currently we're testing the construction crate exp being add to the node, but we missing 16 crates

[woeful bolt]

We'll see how things go but I'd prefer if we move everything to full PTR, this doesn't seem ready for live testing

More like keeping us busy and taking our money

[fervent charm]

Nobody would play on PTR the way they play on live

Like huh

[woeful bolt]

Most things we currently test could be done by a few people in the PTR in way less time. The economy is not in a spot for testing long term and dynamic gridding is not in for stress testing

[fervent charm]

Omg

Okay, go ahead, that's a funny read

[woeful bolt]

Just search from kiko in this discord, I'm sharing my opinion on this openly

[fervent charm]

Not sure I'm ready for that

[woeful bolt]

Welp, you do you, either you wanna read or not

[fervent charm]

I'm sorry, but that's an insanely terrible take

[woeful bolt]

We're just looking at this completely different, as I said earlier: It's a tryhard game for you. You literally don't sleep for days on a wipe. It's a buggy alpha to me and I mostly care about giving feedback and providing ideas how to improve it

[deep gazelle]

Here's a wild take: node progression goes too slow for the speed you can level up

[fervent charm]

The amount of feedback you can give as level 12 (meaning, you played/tested it for a few hours) and the quality of that feedback is very questionable

Sure, if you see a typo on a recipe - that works

But anything deeper or more complex, or simply rarer - you'd never get to that part

[woeful bolt]

You're mostly involoved in drama, maybe you think you can get a big career as streamer or youtuber with it, maybe you just enjoy it.
I mostly spend time discussing with the community about their opinions and current state of things

[deep gazelle]

Why can i be lvl 20+ and all nodes still be wilderness? 🤷‍♂️

[woeful bolt]

I have 4 characters, my ranger on EU is level 12 yes

It takes less than a day to get a char to 25 atm, there is no reason to bother tho because there is no content past leveling unless you enjoy gathering

We both know that I played the game in every phase and can provide lots of feedback, I probably played way less than you but that's mostly because I'm not gathering for 12 hours a day

[fervent charm]

People who barely spend time in Alpha look at the crafting recipes and get a heart attack seeing that a weapon requires 600 copper, thinking that it's impossible to craft

Without realizing how it gets interconnected with gathering/economy and how crafting rarity is being calculated now

Just an example

[fervent charm]

You think I do that? 😄

[woeful bolt]

I know how rarity works now. you can have a single ingreedient and it impacts the same as the 1k copper. I know that copper is easier to get now because it can randomly drop from stones

[fervent charm]

I'm not talking about you specifically

[woeful bolt]

You again just think you're insane clever and everyone else is stupid, seems to be a common thing

[fervent charm]

I'm talking about general population

Look at the threads/discord/reddit prior to P3 launch

[woeful bolt]

I think you underestimate people and look down on them a lot

[weak agate]

im stupid

[fervent charm]

"Oh, I can't even fit it all in my bag", "Oh, it is too much, we will never craft it, waaa waaaa"

[woeful bolt]

The people making posts aren't the majority

[fervent charm]

I do not estimate them, I use what I see

And that's what I saw literally everywhere

[woeful bolt]

The majority of people are clever enough to not comment on the state of this and wait for it to improve

They're not passionate enough to care

I mean you literally are randomly calling me 0 IQ lvl 12 ranger with no idea of the game and now you say you're not calling me dumb

But it's alright, it fits perfectly to your usual behavior

[fervent charm]

Dude, you're mixing two separate issues

[woeful bolt]

Yeah it's always the others and you're the victim

[fervent charm]

In the previous topic - what you wrote was not smart, a simple example of Dunning-Kruger effect
I'm talking about a different thing now, if you haven't noticed

[woeful bolt]

You do you, kinda pointless as these conversations always go the same way

Happy exploiting ^^

[devout stump]

Please consider that the game is getting locked in now - release will be in less than 1 year because of financial constraints - so wide ranging feedback ( like the ideas i have floated ) arnt gonna be feasable - our contribution is bug fixing for stuff that will be pushed to public test and tuning of numbers - the dev plan is probably fixed now for release

My gripe with the game is that it is that endgame looks to be too slow paced - so my feedback has been ideas to improve the pace - but im pretty sure what we see now is what we get

Will I pay sub for AoC on release - ye 🙂 - and then ill be waiting for improvments with glee

[lofty cloud]

You think full release will happen in a year from now? When P1 content has yet to be fully delivered?

Also Flanker, it wasn't(and isn't) just 1 <Holiday> member doing the crate stuff 👍

If something feels wrong to do, feels like you shouldn't do it - then you probably shouldn't do it (if you intent to remain a respectable figure/guild, that is)

[nova heath]

Feel like people who complain about the crates are just mad that they didnt do it

[lofty cloud]

Man, Daven, that's some low quality bait - even for your own standards 🤣

[fiery plover]

We’re fine being the villains. So don’t worry about it.

Better than being in Alliance of 90% of the server holding each others hands

[lofty cloud]

Well I'm glad it went from being "falsely accused" to admitting it, though - that's a bit more manly 👍

[fiery plover]

How do you mean? I argue that it’s a nothing burger while you’re crying about the morality of it. When was it denied?

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-buddy-okay-alright-yeah-sure-jr-munoz-gif-14666172

[lofty cloud]

"Another dog guild throwing out random accusations I see"

[fiery plover]

They are a dog guild. Wdym

[nova heath]

Its just ragebait meta is a shitty beta for people who dont know what to say

[lofty cloud]

I do not confirm nor deny that - but they were not false accusations xD

[fiery plover]

And exploiting is the term being banded around like something I’ll get timed out for saying

[nova heath]

Everyone is an exploiter for using sholskipper for crates, using mounts with wrong ms like the crocs in p2, pathetic out here

Or using all weapon finishers

[fiery plover]

It’s rough atm. After this tourney next week, unless they make changes I foresee a big population drop again. It’s once again another case of players making our own content to work towards or have something to do 😭

[nova heath]

To think or say some of you guys wouldt took those

Little epito would have a boner seeing these things

[lofty cloud]

You mean the crates? Yea HoU doesnt do that - we know we shouldnt do it, and if we do it and management know we did it, it wont be nice for whoever did it

So yeah, as tempting as they look - we leave them up in the air

[nova heath]

Good for you

[fiery plover]

I’d rather people focused on complaining about the speed cheats, the overlay for rarity which is the most criminal thing we’ve seen so far and being able to see enemy caravans from 500m away. Those RMT guys running crate trains in stealth at crazy speed. The real villains

[fiery plover]

I don’t do it myself but I don’t care who does. So same same but not the same 🤣

[nova heath]

Pretty much that yea

Such a nothingburger, but people also complain and make vids when firebrand is stuck in the trees

[lofty cloud]

Its all things we can do nothing about except report - but all the rest, you can prevent

[carmine harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-felt-hero-tough-tough-guy-how-you-felt-after-saying-that-gif-12464623776561746518

[fiery plover]

Not sure you can prevent all these no names guileless alts from collecting these crates. Joeva and Vhalg seem to have the most crate drops every crash/restart.

Maybe if intrepid actually fix the problem 🤷🏻‍♂️

They still have to run them and sell them for 2-3g apc via that awful system

[lofty cloud]

I wouldnt know - im not there waiting after every restart

[fiery plover]

Then you aren’t as informed as me so should speak less on the matter

[lofty cloud]

That'd be great, yea - heard it doesnt happen in Shol

[carmine harbor]

ngl exploiting the crates and defending it in a dead phase is crazy work

[fiery plover]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-with-a-plan-joker-gif-4859983

[lofty cloud]

it is still duping though.

[lofty cloud]

I think you didnt understand what I said. It's fine.

[lofty cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-right-am-i-right-totally-same-gif-9191853

[fiery plover]

Am I speaking in Swahili? I said I don’t care about them, I don’t do it personally. I don’t care who does them. I don’t think it’s anything to cry about. I think it’s a waste of time. People aren’t duping anything. The server is shitting crates. People will pick up the crates. Gege

[lofty cloud]

but dude! if it would not be them, it would be other people doing it!

👀

[carmine harbor]

like i said running defence for this is insane but dogs will be dogs

https://tenor.com/view/husky-siberian-dog-cody-woof-gif-10159125698214328944

[fiery plover]

Meow

[lofty cloud]

• People aren’t duping anything.
• The server is shitting crates.
• People will pick up the crates.

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[fiery plover]

Perfectly put

[lofty cloud]

cant make this shit up 😂

[fiery plover]

What’s being made up 😂

[lofty cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-safe-clever-think-ahead-reece-simpson-gif-14469436

[jagged kite]

This tourney will probs go straight to semis

[lofty cloud]

xDDDD

bro this guy legit making my morning

i havent laughed this much in a while

[nova heath]

Actually you can by picking them up and store them or delete them and not turning it in

Who says that isnt what happend

[fiery plover]

Your welcome

[fiery plover]

May as well 🤣 Will Cartel be there without the A team 👀 not sure we will be at the rate we’re dropping clerics 🤣

[carmine harbor]

tourny with like 5/6 teams

[nova heath]

you still have azadim with all the cratemoney

[jagged kite]

Some ppl wanna go Roxis is keen on getting a team together hes legit the only tism left standing this phase. Ill see

Scrims with a bracket attached to them ATP

[carmine harbor]

no prizepool

[fiery plover]

I just want PvP and if that’s all I can get, so be it. Sad state of affairs

[carmine harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[deep gazelle]

I know we won't be joininf the tournement 🤷‍♂️ let's be real y'all are rushing and noliving crafting to have as much OP gear as possible instead of doing a equalized gear tournement 🤷‍♂️ some will have an advantage that's not a tournement

[jagged kite]

Literally who

[jovial oracle]

WTB
iron ingot
rosarium hero+
Wolf carcass epic+

[keen scarab]

how many teams are even in this tournament

is there a discord even

[glacial escarp]

2 teams signed up, 1 might drop cuz thier players are dropping like flies due to undisclosed issues , 1 i know are preping and arent signed up yet

[keen scarab]

so its a 4 team event? (if everything goes well?)

[glacial escarp]

smth like that , on a good day

[keen scarab]

eu always on top

[hidden cosmos]

how to fix this?

[jagged kite]

Straight to semis like I said

Scrims with a bracket

[glacial escarp]

i mean it depends

[fiery plover]

At least 6 or 7 unofficialy I think but I'm not 100% sure

HoU, holiday, Cartel?, Deadend, Havoc, Standby, Asylum?, Cartel (MH)?

[mint fable]

Does anyone know where Graveplate recipes drop?

Codex doesn't seem to list it anywhere

[deep gazelle]

Check dm's

[fervent charm]

I asked Delight earlier today, he said it was around 8

[fervent charm]

Not much I can do about it
I don't touch those and I recommended to stay away from them

[olive pebble]

Jesus I missed this.. ok you’re 100% a 🤡
Not gonna waste any more time on this topic with u, adios

[olive pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/coin-rain-goblin-clash-royale-money-falling-from-sky-happy-gif-22773425

[uneven dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3REvVp9cyk

[ornate solstice]

how many scrims did your team have against any of the strong teams while asking for equalized gear on the scrims? sounds like you had quite a lot of sessions and gear is the only problem

[digital storm]

Which classes do you think are the most popular or strongest and why.

[somber stratus]

the strongest for what?

[digital storm]

1. The strongest PvP Class
2. Strongest PvE Damage Class
3. Strongest Solo leveling Class
4. Most Need Class
5. Your Favoriten Class

[nova heath]

bard is the strongest class

well til summoner is out

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-nun-warrior-nun-netflix-obcrack-future-warrior-nuns-ava-silva-gif-18254509

[mossy bramble]

1. Cleric
2. Cleric
3. Cleric
4. Cleric
5. Cleric

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-memes-gif-1383215507684921977

[nova heath]

factually wrong

because cleric for sure is not fun to play, it could be never be your favorite

[uneven dew]

1. Anything but ranger
2. Anything but ranger
3. Anything but ranger
4. Anything but ranger
5. Ranger 🤡

But for real imo

1. Bard
2. Mage/Rogue
3. Bard/Rogue
4. Bard/cleric

[nova heath]

for real tho

1. Bard
2. Mage/Fighter
3. Fighter
4. Tank/Cleric/Bard
5. w/e

[mossy bramble]

But I have fun with it 🫠

[nova heath]

kds made you say that

[mossy bramble]

No they make me say everything

[full obsidian]

The gamba paid of.
Sent one to aQuaStabbed please 😛

[soft sphinx]

People that think cleric is boring have no hands

[nova heath]

when did i said its boring

its just not that fun

and its bit boring since the class is on the bland side

[soft sphinx]

Just needs movement v.v let me use wings without a target

Let me go straight up and die to fall damage!

[mossy bramble]

fucking preach holy shit

[soft sphinx]

I’ll be the falling angel 😂 I’d love to be in the middle of a pull and just… ZOOOOOP up

[nova heath]

eh wings is fine if it werent also the cc break

like mage blink

like using it to to follow someone or rescue someone shouldt be your trinket

[soft sphinx]

It’s a terrible design Ngl

Not only do I have to throw my fragile body at where there’s active damage half the time, I can’t even use it if I don’t have a buddy (for movement) 🥹

[mossy bramble]

nah if it wasn't tied to cc break I wouldn't take wings

[soft sphinx]

I don’t have a PvP group so I literally never take it

[mossy bramble]

the temp hp that generates coz of it is sooo delayed compared to the animation is infuriating

Cleric has a decent baseline, just needs more time in the oven and some actual capstone abilities

oh and combo's, wtf don't we have combo's

[soft sphinx]

I think everything except wings is fine

[stable narwhal]

worst thing about cleric is the auto self-target if you are outside of heal range of your target

[soft sphinx]

I think the change to bless fire proc was good

Sometimes I’ll get all 25 stacks in 1 combo now which is 🔥

Part of me thinks a heavy armor tanky cleric would be huge in some comps as a secondary cleric. Can actually use healing touch and front line + bait in PvP

[nova heath]

Its the only movement ability it has

Also saved lot of people with it

Or even went into the backline following people diving

The delay and shit yea but i played it on NA so i thought it was ping? Same with def light where it didnt saved people from death

Worst part was the imput delay on deliverence because its a hold ability aside from my account being bugged for cleric, game literally dont want me to play cleric

[glossy condor]

Nah cleric has a shitton of delay in PvP

On beam and flare etc too

It feels like the most unresponsive class in the game in the heat of combat, which is insane cause it’s also (one of) the most piano classes when played well. Bad combo

[glossy condor]

That bug still exists

It’s when you have fast ticking status effects on you, or fast weapons hitting you, I’m not entirely sure it’s hard to distinguish/pinpoint

Sometimes it holds deliverance in a full cast as a shortbow gapes you

Some rogues know it and abuse it

Also love not being able to heal until I dodge

Or divine power not charging

My favorite new bug is wings spazzing out when another player is on the other side of a server worker border, and you trinket a trip and purposely try to fly to Narnia to get peels. But it doesn’t register so you wings yourself and get gaped by the meleetrain

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-butcher-gif-9581937692910259251

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-hindi-bollywood-ignore-gif-9870264

[glossy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-ask-dont-care-didnt-read-cant-read-did-i-ask-gif-22357108

[upper sapphire]

gg guys

see you after rollback 🙂

[crimson salmon]

You can update now 😉

[zealous pebble]

One is gift for me @fervent charm ?

[nova heath]

||if you read this, i stole your wallet while you were distracted reading this ||

[timber dagger]

if i have 2 characters do i need to pay taxes on both of them?

[small wolf]

no, or I assume you refer to citizenship, its account wide and only one payment is needed

[timber dagger]

ok thanks

[soft sphinx]

The best by far is using divine power and having it bug all of your heals to do nothing:) lasts for a solid 45s while your team and you die

[timid geyser]

they really should wipe when summoner come now (EU) will no longer automatically restart once per day thits how it should be from the start lol

[jagged kite]

Intrepid truly are the best at blowing up the ladder while ppl are on it

[acoustic yarrow]

[nova heath]

as if the auto restart worked properly on eu, nothing new really

[novel hearth]

There is no change or fix that requires a wipe.... dont be
....

[cosmic knot]

no server restarts.....kek

[small wolf]

and wipe would help how?

situation would worse after a month when there is even less players

[nova heath]

Based on what

[small wolf]

if you wipe, there will be less players, at least temporarily before there is more relevant content, and the economy and server state will fairly similar

of course they could make a big marketing push to get different players in

[glacial escarp]

And that wouldnt solve anything cuz the issues that caused people to think a wipe is needed havent even been adressed

[small wolf]

but I know multiple people, me included that if there is a wipe, I will take a 6-12 month break

[undone pecan]

can't wait for the next wipe after the wipe because it's becoming a regular thing. Not because Intrepid needs it but because players demand it

[small wolf]

yeah, people somehow feel that economy is "broken" and wipe would fix it, but situation will be fairly similar

small adjustments that they have done dont make a big impact

[glacial escarp]

The economy is broken
But a wipe without changes wouldnt fix it

[small wolf]

I dont even think that economy is that broken, at least its better in many ways as it has been in the past

[glacial escarp]

Im all for a wipe, but thats because i know theres people who paid crazy amounts of $$ who are running around and a wipe would be funny to fuck them over

[small wolf]

although, shol is very different what we have in lotharia

[nova heath]

Based on what

If you say they shouldt wipe before they fix shit i agree with you but not when ur saying people will play less because of reasons

[nova heath]

Vast majority seem in favour for a wipe because they indeed neeeds it they dont want it for the fun of it

[mossy bramble]

Depends what they add/fix

[sturdy phoenix]

id rather see things fixed on prod before deciding its fixed and to wipe...

cause weve all seen things being "fixed" on ptr or on wipe day and it persisting for weeks or months

[ebon zodiac]

If there is a wipe without huge changes to the artisan system and economy, I myself and a lot of players I know, will take a break until they fix those 2 things.

[mossy bramble]

Players are taking a break rn coz of those things

Other games are just more fun, there has to be some draw for people to stick around

[nova heath]

Thats the stance of pretty much anyone

[glacial escarp]

Idk why people need a wipe to take a break tho
Someone in intrepid forgot to add "fun.exe" to the game files when they made shol and its been the case every patch since

[nova heath]

Its so silly how this discussion is always people saying they should wipe and they shouldt because of current gamestate where in the end both parties even agree, shits needs to be fixed

[glacial escarp]

Rare real daven statement

[nova heath]

Im always "real"

And right

And handsome

And not bald

[glacial escarp]

And its gone

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wizard-funny-meme-cat-meme-gif-18140937863831360552

Stay mad

I hope your bedroom is full of sand

[glacial escarp]

I can afford windows , its a magical thing
I close it when the sand wizzards are racing thier speedboats and sand doesnt get into my bedroom

[nova heath]

I didnt expect windows or doors for that matters

Damn

[glacial escarp]

TECHNOLOGIA

[mossy bramble]

Just play bf6 until they fix econ, ezpz

[glacial escarp]

Ive been playing kenshi and bf6

[nova heath]

Im playing bf6

[glacial escarp]

Hash smuggling simulator

[nova heath]

Im at mission to get smoke assist, its hell

But yesterday we build a furnace and burned people alive so that was fun

[glacial escarp]

I still dont understand why on some breakthrough matches attackers dont get vehicles and some they do on same map

[glacial escarp]

What?

[mossy bramble]

Coz the maps are horrendously balanced

[glacial escarp]

Yeah but same map, sometimes vehicles spawn sometimes they dont

Fucking mirak valley

[mossy bramble]

It’s a testament to the game that the maps are atrocious balance wise but still a lot of fun

[nova heath]

Idk why defenders get the same things as attackers too

[glacial escarp]

Mirak valley is like the most cooked map ever
Sometimes attackers get vehicles sometimes they dont
But on 2nd point defenders get 2 fucking tanks for some reason

[nova heath]

New sobek city or whatever its called, when we are left side we rush all the way to d big towe where you only have 2 ziplines to get uptop and put covers at the top and throw incendary nades down the shaft, literally camping it

[glacial escarp]

Or was it tank + ifv

[nova heath]

For some reason they always come back

Was hella funny

Yatty was using motar or snipe on roof to piss people off too

[glacial escarp]

Anlaki

[nova heath]

I think vehicle spawns and shit are hella buggy

[mossy bramble]

Launch week bugs ig

[glacial escarp]

Werent they playing scifi albion tho?

[nova heath]

The warborne thing? I dont think so

[soft sphinx]

Full released game with as many bugs as ashes… time to go to their discord demanding a fresh start server 😎

[split perch]

was the relic secured?

[cosmic heath]

Not sure, if you find out lemmie know as i am curious who got it and where it went

[undone pecan]

damn it @ebon shore . Just cause I'm trying to buy a relic. I wouldn't do it I promise!

[undone pecan]

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding that this isn't about transporting the relic, but the other bug

[empty prairie]

Fixing something implies that it was at some point in working state. You dont fix, when you are building new things.

[unborn valve]

GG to New Aela for securing our second relic... Especially a legendary one!
Many thanks to **Aavild **our mayor for organizing and his kleptomancy skills...
If you aren't yet a member of New Aela join quick before all the good tax benefits go to other players! We will continue to grow and improve this settlement for all!

[daring sky]

Anyone seen Grave Lilys around? I can't seem to find them.

[nova heath]

even the flowers dont want to play on that server anymore

[eager tusk]

LFGuild spanish for play

[small wolf]

they have a tag "graveyard", i bet that they spawn in gravepeak eventhough i dont know

[uneven dew]

https://tenor.com/view/emotions-change-mood-sad-happy-smile-gif-15791076

[tired hazel]

Does Miraleth plan to do the JM Grand Master Carpentry upgrade ?

[weak agate]

if you inject 700g in treasury needed for 3 buildings then maybe

[weak agate]

when is ur tourney guys? tmrw?

[fervent charm]

Yup

[weak agate]

exact time of start?

[fervent charm]

3pm CET

[keen scarab]

How many teams playing?

[fervent charm]

9

[keen scarab]

Not bad

[fervent charm]

https://challonge.com/ru/tvkbmo5s - tournament bracket

[fervent charm]

Yeah, but no flying mounts for EU tournament

[keen scarab]

Yeah intrepid doesnt give a shit about eu

[ornate solstice]

ur kidding i hope

[fiery plover]

I forgot how bad it was. We are scraping the barrel. In 2.5 we got to experience the VIP treatment

[full obsidian]

We are just the unloved stepchild of NA.
That is just superior in most if not all aspects than the real kid 😛

[fervent charm]

Well, we are live

[fiery plover]

Other than PvP

EU on top

[fervent charm]

Respect to the teams showing up today for the tournament. Stay tuned for finals tomorrow ❤️

[heavy nexus]

Anyone with Mirageborn Powered Great Mace recipe laying around or able to craft?

[fathom lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326887746337247444/1429192233852080158/image.png?ex=68f53e7d&is=68f3ecfd&hm=02912f384d0ee4c3dda973c8e13b776dc85dbc86cdb3857e54ada6ec484a8227&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1413263832268148759/1429192911651868985/image.png?ex=68f53f1f&is=68f3ed9f&hm=8bececccf1c058b17ef3d11e1690f25e488dffb6986b66fa4f2deadc37325bf1&

Ban wave comming guys

[velvet vale]

The lack of logic... stop exploiting and we will not ban you, thus not pressure you to tell us how you exploited, thus it's not in our interest to warn you, thus it's a hoax.

[fervent charm]

Is impersonating a GM against ToS?

[fathom lintel]

Yes i reported it but i doubt any action will ocure

[proven falcon]

Normal Amount of Crates?

[fervent charm]

It's a 3x7 caravan by the looks of it. Most likely Dragon Tree. No, it is not "an exploit"

[past coral]

Just a juicy van. You can fit up to 36 crates when you go high rarity Joshua. Most vans are 12 - 24 slot dragon wood ones.

[karmic thunder]

wait until u see my 36 slot

[placid goblet]

24, packed them myself

[weak agate]

people are bitching baout acadira but they dont see that there are jungle wood that let u do 100000 crate caravan
or do u think it is intended and all other types of wood just bugged?

[fathom lintel]

When it was discovered that some woods let you have more crate spaces ppl thought its cuz it gives way less defenses

[placid goblet]

12,24,36. No need to stretch the truth

Sure seems intended

[trail marsh]

i would say it is but devs gave it the ok and then just never got asround to fixing it, guess they wanna run with it to see if that bring more people out with caravans than using the willow one which are bad in comparison 😄

[past coral]

It is intended but horrible balancing. At first i thought it's just bugged recipes also but that was not the case.
Honestly problem is not dragonwood/joshua being op but rest being useless. Vans need a lot of balancing still for sure in many ways

[grizzled axle]

Making a new scrim team, we’re looking for members who are interested in scrimming a few times a week.

If you know someone who is not part of your guilds scrim team or even just a friend who’s guild less and wants to get involved please drop me a message on discord.

Currently lf all roles apart from tank / fighter. Going to be trying a few different comps.

Also if you’re a guild who wants to scrim vs us drop me a message too.

Minimal experience is fine but must be working on a PvP set / have at least epic weapons.

Ty

[cold imp]

Anyone else just lost connection to Lotharia?

@ebon shore Could you check on Lotharia? Connection to Realm timed out. And login isnt possible anymore

[pure knot]

i currently cant leave winstead

anyone else getting perma login screened

[ebon zodiac]

Have been playing on Lotharia, in Winstead, the last 30 minutes without problems

[stoic ferry]

same here, got randomly put back into character selection screen and keep getting put back there

[velvet vale]

same

relaunched game. seems to work

[grizzled axle]

I cant leave it either

I GOT A CARAVAN TO GANK MAN

[stoic ferry]

works for me now

[somber terrace]

So daft question, but has node xp progression been locked? I notice nodes don't seem to be gaining XP and they all have lock symbols in their bars.

[empty latch]

game keeps kicking me to main menu :S

looks like every server worker transition it goes to main menu

[empty latch]

Not enough people playing

[somber terrace]

so it's just slow? Rather than locked?

[empty latch]

correct

[somber terrace]

cool, then I shall continue to contribute

Is the server having a wobbly for anyone else?

[somber terrace]

Ah, I think I might be experiencing this

[novel hearth]

Id rather say not enough ppl trusts the nodes are getting xp as they should. With fresh start talks on Nov ppl are like naaah i aint doing that shit.

[deep gazelle]

Not enough people bothered, people assume wiep in november even tho it wont so don't want to do it

And it def is bugged.
B9th visual bugs and some actual xp loss is going on

[hidden cosmos]

Oh, has any GM mentioned a fresh start server?

[limber kraken]

No. The only people mentioning a wipe or fresh start are the same posters here turning this into an echo chamber.

[glacial escarp]

if the prod servers are actually being used for data collection, and the changes that were posted in the ptr actually make it to prod, freshstart/wipe in nov is pretty likely (again, under the assumption prod servers are being used for data)

[limber kraken]

Not saying it’s not increasing likely, just that it’s all speculation and the only “official” comment is that no wipes are planned.

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child-old-nan-game-of-thrones-gif-5580217

[fervent charm]

Yeah, I also think it's looks more and more like a wipe angle

[midnight river]

Yeah wipe makes totally sense to end up around Christmas in the same state as we are now.

[nova heath]

p4 early 2026

[keen scarab]

P3.5

[nova heath]

ur just a hater

a hater with bad taste

there i said it

[keen scarab]

U quit osrs dont talk me about bad taste

[nova heath]

its really only because i cant play in fullscreen

[jagged kite]

genuine thing to be pissed out not being able to play fullscreen is cringe

[nova heath]

you can fullscreen but the ui gets very small

[small wolf]

yep, people think that wipe is somehow silver bullet

[formal bough]

fuck me give me fresh start now

[fathom lintel]

Cant u change almost everything

[nova heath]

apperently not

[nova heath]

pretty much no one thinks that

[small wolf]

that seems to be only reason why people want to wipe

not sure if there is even any other points

[keen scarab]

People want a wipe cause this phase Is giga ass

[nova heath]

yes under the premises that something actually changed for the better

[arctic geyser]

With the current update they are introducing the new and final class and an entire endgame system.. both benefit from a build up in a new server. They also are looking at making some really good changes soon which combined screams fresh start.

They are in fact kinda shootings themselves in the foot without doing one at this point.

Unless they push the update out ( which they Probly should do ) it’s a very obvious decision

[nova heath]

they should just finish the game

ong

[fast cedar]

If we start now with new Server or wipe it, IT will Be the same s...Show. let them fix all the problems in the next 3 month and start next year with Phase 3.1.

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/tupac-tupac-shakur-think-thinking-dream-gif-5434434

[undone pecan]

I see a clear tendency that a lot of people who calls for a wipe mostly do not care nor contribute to settlements. I know it's a crazy idea, but given there are few people who care about the progression of the settlements and just want to play again with other players on equal ground, why can't we do a somewhat server organised(honestly just guilds agreeing) to a fresh char? Then we won't have to deal with the BS of waiting and grinding for settlements to level up again. The whole point of the game is it being a social sandbox, so we don't need Intrepid to make and manage the social systems for us.

[nova heath]

what kind of dreamworld you living

[royal bane]

kds level take

[fathom lintel]

Aavild i will give u ur leg ring if u agree for a wipe

[keen scarab]

hot take, people not wanting a wipe are the ones actually treating the alpha like a game. No point in testing node progression when the basis of the game are still a joke

[weak agate]

yea lets test 1-25 again, for sure not pointless
wipe only after increased lvl cap

[gloomy tusk]

you cant wipe, camping static rarity was my only chance to get a leg weapon

[nova heath]

what a small minded take :

[keen scarab]

how can it be pointless, the point of an alpha is to wipe until u get things right

[weak agate]

how about that people left playing now, are real testers? i mean all people who had their fun at start just left, THEY ARE ones actually treats alpha like a game, and left because its not fun to test node prog?

[keen scarab]

ur testing a version of the game that for sure will change basically ur wasting ur time

[gloomy tusk]

this game is so much about community driven economy, which is completely busted due to static rarity and alot of crate bugs, which should be fixed by nov 18. So a wipe would make sense

[nova heath]

whats the point of testing/playing in a corrupt state

[gloomy tusk]

dont understand why peopel are so against it, looking at the current state of everything

[keen scarab]

p3 is currently on maintenance mode until the wipe, only reason why the havent shut down the server is because people will cry bc of their pixels

[weak agate]

i will play after wipe, but idk i feel like we need some longer testing periods with not wiping after each Metachange like removing of static rarity.
In any MMO after release there are some big patches that shift meta on 180 degrees, and people still paly after that even if their spec/char/gear is completly broken and they need relevel or regear in live server without wipe. I guess this is opportunity to test it.

[keen scarab]

why would i test a broken economy

this isnt just about gear or characters, is a fundamental of the game

[nova heath]

for something that is not intended and have a very big impact

on economy and progression

[weak agate]

u dont even realise how stable are established economy systems.
After removing static rarity econ will adapt to it in 1-2 weeks.
Example: New world has dupe going on for 3 days (literally gold could be duped). All items on marketplaces were bought, and then some people were banned/some not some gold were still in game system and economy became alive shortly afterwards

[keen scarab]

yeah new world was a live launch, they couldnt afford to do a wipe

this is an alpha, they should wipe as much as they can

[nova heath]

and as you said people got banned for it

[weak agate]

yes and what are we here for? to test something that might happen afterwards. If we would wipe after any major change, we coudlnt test that

[nova heath]

like what we advocate for is to wipe it when it makes sense to get an better endproduct

literally any point against it is in bad faith for the game

which a wild side to take ngl

[weak agate]

yes and if u read correctly i said soem were not and some gold were still in game econ, and game econ adapted and became stable shorlty after that

you dont let test ashes econ in such extreme case by wiping each time

[nova heath]

ok whats your source of the people who didnt get banned how much was the economy actually impacted how many people were banned if you wanna get into it

[nova heath]

ngl i dont understand that sentence

even after editing

[zinc holly]

Problem is majority of the good players aren’t even playing the test anymore so only ones left are mostly bad players or Econ nerds who’s entire gameplay loop is just flipping markets on AH so they aren’t even really playing the game, just farming gold. You can say the Econ would adjust after a bit but it’s irrelevant if it would or not because at least 70%+ of the player base is probably not testing anymore plus the actual good players aren’t around anymore

[nova heath]

but lets simplify this, if you play a game and the save game gets corrupted you cant save anymore, would you keep playing on that savegame?

[keen scarab]

rock hitters and AH rats are all that is left to the game

[sturdy phoenix]

surely the conversation here is wether the reason to wipe have sufficiently stacked up?

not wether we are going to wipe

[zinc holly]

Data gathered by XYZ father of 19 is irrelevant to me compared to data gathered by someone like Miruku/Ado/Litt etc someone I know who actually has thumbs and understands systems in the game

[weak agate]

im sorry my english sucks
I wanted to tell if we wipe after each major economy shift, we wont have chance to test released game situation when you Have to do major economy patch and not wipe server since it live game

[nova heath]

thats for the devs to determine, but in any case we are in an alpha and if something is corrupt they have the ability to reset it and test an uncorrupt version

something they need to figure out before going live

[zinc holly]

The economy is already corrupted, only way to test it would be to fully wipe people’s storages/items/etc. that would be like “fixing” all the Asian hackers last phase from selling gold and then asking us to keep playing even with the gold still in the game

[nova heath]

the economy wont "heal" suddenly for no aparant reason

[keen scarab]

whats the point of testing new econ if people already have gold and mats stacked from the previous iteration?

[nova heath]

like in the new star wars movie where palpatine returned

[zinc holly]

Only way to get data on new Econ is to see it fully wiped with static rarity nuked along with fixes to crates/caravans. if they don’t change how vans work tbh I could care less about static rarity changes. Crates are a miserable system, I can’t believe I let AA rats hype those up

[nova heath]

when also the majority says the economy is broken, many people already left, there is still unintended stuff in the game like static rarity or people just doing crate runs where you cant really kill them outside going corrupt which also people only do by cheating the corrupt system, i dont think its good data

call me crazy

[weak agate]

crates is one thing that kept pvp alive and gave so much drama on p3 in lotharia
so i call this success

[nova heath]

how

you cant flag for crates

unless you go corrupt

[zinc holly]

If they would tweak stuff for crates I’d hear your argument but nah current implementation is awful

[nova heath]

id say it was even bad with how people did 10 man afk trains

[keen scarab]

crate system has some good features, but it def did more harm than good

[zinc holly]

I could fix crate system in 5 minutes with the devs and a pen & paper for fixes for them to make

[weak agate]

well by pvp i mean corruption too, also that was fun beign rogue to follow those guys who was prepared to corrupt to get crate, soemtimes could even loot em

[nova heath]

corrupt system is ass too, you risk your gear which is never worse unless you cheat that system

not really a solution

[weak agate]

well as i told it created much drama + soem pvp, without it p3 would had zero pvp at all

[nova heath]

i could do the same with corruption system

actually it would have more since people would need to create caravans to do traderuns and people would fight for those

since you dont go corrupt for it

[zinc holly]

Feel like we could do that with a lot of systems that would still pertain and stay within the sphere of Steven’s vision

[nova heath]

yup, which makes me question why they didnt do it in the first place

[sturdy phoenix]

If we can all name a load of major flaws with the economy theres no point wiping and making people level again until they finish fixing them

[nova heath]

would also relieve the caravan flag system completly and the issues along with it

[nova heath]

thats the point

[sturdy phoenix]

these conversations always appear to be wipe or not wipe.

As opposed to is enough fixed to wipe yet

[nova heath]

some people frame it that way for some reason

[weak agate]

i doubt it, since every newb could get crate and run it (it costed like 50s), but for caravans u needed like tons of resources those boards were super expensive at start when we were gold hungry. So crates make everyone join pvp system (even by beign killed by PK) than just few guild caravans runs

So crates were defently success

[sturdy phoenix]

well probably because everyone's assumed that everything will be fixed in November, or adequately fixed in November and so call for a wipe then. Yet we have no idea without seeing it

[nova heath]

its quite simple compare p2 to p3, in p2 there was a shit ton of pvp due to caravans while in p3 there wasnt, granted it was easier to craft caravans but also generated way less gold

[nova heath]

mostly people who want to dismiss a potential wipe do that actually

[sturdy phoenix]

tbh... even them making November 18th on time would be highly unsual. Nevermind the state of the test after that patch

[nova heath]

i actually didnt saw one person saying they should wipe right now without any fixes or changes

i have very little hope for november

maybe next year

[weak agate]

well it could be wiped in nov or dec tbh

i dont like it but it is what it is

[nova heath]

could be

i dont see the issues resolved by then and im usually right about this but who knows

[fervent charm]

On the other hand, how do you know that you're not falling for a sunk-cost fallacy? Developing settlements takes time and efforts - I don't think anyone would argue about that. However, is it a valid reason to keep the dead servers up? Especially, when an influx of players who haven't played this phase is expected for summoner and new content + potential newcomers from Intrepid's marketing? Is it fun playing on a 3-month old server with broken economy, knowing that you will never catch up? Especially for new and returning players?

[midnight river]

Why should you never be able to catch up?
Why is playing on a more developt server bad?
Seems easier to catch up on this one than on a fresh one.

Leveling and inital gear grind is not content just the only carrot that works right now

We probably add more activity to the game by announcing another tournament. Because so far every phase died after that.

[nova heath]

you cant catch up unless players are already capped (which they arent)

by which they have quite literal no reason to play anymore

on a fresh server there is nothig to catch up when every starts out the same

which is the point, people do not want to start playing on old servers

[midnight river]

then its probably the wrong game in the first place and wow sesons would be a better pick.

[nova heath]

its not a finished game

you should not treat it as such

[keen scarab]

what would even be the reason to keep old server beside some players being emotional about pixels

[nova heath]

getting a kebab

[midnight river]

i am not emotionally but we can wipe now - nothing changes except we are all busy doing the same stuff all over again - to arrive to a broken mid game which has no active gameplay loops except player made events.

just one lawless zone of mid size would be enough.

like we had in jundark during p2.5

[nova heath]

yea no

[fathom lintel]

no one asking a wipe without the changes

[olive pebble]

Who won the tourney?

[fervent charm]

As Achi wrote - nobody asks for a wipe with no changes and there are some changes that are on the radar:

• Static rarity seems to be gone on the PTR
• Mules are on the PTR
• Some updates for FTUE - starting quests and stuff
• New content (summoner, sport fishing, harbingers stuff etc.)
• Other stuff that I forgot to mention

All that, coupled with economy reset, no more easy crates at the start, no more circlej*rking with gathering, food fix etc.)

Hopefully with majority existing bugs fixed, fixed caravans, fixed settlements, fixed recipes and crafting, fixed hunting and fishing etc.

And in general, yeah, that's the way it's gonna be: we play, we find bugs and break the game; then when it gets too bad - a wipe happens; then we continue again, finding new bugs and breaking the game in new ways.

[fervent charm]

https://challonge.com/tvkbmo5s

[keen scarab]

wait mules are on ptr?

[olive pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/click-the-link-man-click-the-link-click-it-click-it-man-click-gif-18524396

[fervent charm]

Mhm, at least in crafting menu.
One with crate capacity 1 and 100% speed
2nd with crate capacity 2 and 100% speed
3rd with crate capacity 2 and 120% speed, if I recall correctly

This makes me wonder how would they balance the caravans, cuz carrying 2 crates at one looks suspicious

[fervent charm]

It's a link to tournament bracket from a known domain

[keen scarab]

bruh

what

2 crates 120% speed

[olive pebble]

Imagine clicking a link sent by a well known Ukrainian exploiter who occasionally stole amazon credentials and citizenships data

[keen scarab]

holiday won epito

[fervent charm]

That's why nobody likes you, Epito

[keen scarab]

flanker cant steal ur shit now

[olive pebble]

Ahahahaha u guys should learn something about being ironic

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-walker-i-almost-had-you-fast-and-furious-gif-9505313

[olive pebble]

Ps: thanks for the positive shoutout here

[fervent charm]

I was literally about to send it 🤣

[nova heath]

cant wait to mario kart donkeys

[nova heath]

tf, drinking out of paper cups at home

psychopath behaviour

[keen scarab]

i really hope they remove gold crates

[fervent charm]

That's upper echelon
I hate washing stuff after

Imagine doing dishes

Ewwwww

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/psycho-adam-sandler-happy-gilmore-psychopath-gif-16273376

[fervent charm]

I just hope they balance it with caravans properly
And make caravans more accessible, so that people are not as afraid to use them as they are now

[nova heath]

cant wait for them to add skateboards, can do some cool kick flips while doing crates

[keen scarab]

very hard to balance, and game shouldnt have afk mechanics to generate gold anyway

[fervent charm]

Especially coupled with "Follow" button

[midnight river]

they should kill the gold ones or make you flagged pvp which would also kill them.
And caravans just die to quickly and there is still no risk component for the attacker.

crates to level a node would be a nice change.

[fervent charm]

They shouldn't be balanced around Defenders vs Attackers imo, I think it's the wrong way to look at it
It should be "Gold thrown into economy vs Gold/Material sink"

[nova heath]

should make a good flagging system in the first place

[midnight river]

Dont know remember p2 with our caravan event the constant respawn made it nearly impossible to deliver them - just a simple respawn delay for every death would have changed that.

[fervent charm]

Yh, emberspring mechanic did not do a favor to caravans. It worked both ways though, sometimes it helped attackers, sometimes it helped defenders. Especially, when 60-second emberspring protection worked on the caravan as well (fortunately, it's no longer the case)

[ornate solstice]

if node leveling would work at all outside of the riverlands it'd be a great start, getting an insane headache after seeing FW's bugthread about shorefoot, getting 58mil xp tracked in chat out of 108mil needed, and the node only moves by 2% instead of 50%
before this isnt fixed theres no wipe on the table, you're just burning through your testers then

[undone pecan]

You are completely right. There is on one side a sunken cost fallacy and on the other side a wipe mentality and I hate both of them. I actually do agree with a wipe mainly because of the Steelbloom, static rarity and Carphin gear shenanigans, but I don't want routine wipes just because nolifers(including myself) hit the endgame and cant scale into more gear. Long term there has to be another solution than playing for 2-3 months and then wipe so everyone can be on equal ground.

I think a lot of people are getting into the wipe mentality and I don't think its healthy for the game. Like the very first reaction to Carphin weapons getting wiped is to quit the game and wait till next phase. Next time its changing droprates. The more wipes Intrepid do(no matter the reason) creates an expectation, that there's gonna be a wipe more.

I can also speak about the bullshit of expecting that anything you make to last forever. That's also completely bullshit to think, but I think plenty of people make great points on that

[fervent charm]

Idk, I think it kinda makes sense to look at it as if there are new seasons coming from time to time. Like, you don't have to play or take seriously every single wipe, just play when you feel like it or when something interesting is added to the game

[weak agate]

i thought this is not gonna be seasonal MMO like hundrets others on market?
Why would we need to feel seasonal here?

[nova heath]

why you think there is sesonal stuff

[keen scarab]

wipes are good tho, whats the point in testing or developing anything that goes beyond 25 when there are basic systems still uncomplete? i hate that intrepid is just putting out systems for the sake of it just to later abandon them because they announced a new one. Keep wiping until u get shit right, then move on

[full obsidian]

Few more phases and node leveling will be bug free!

[deep gazelle]

Yeah lers not wipe untill we're done with the last few things we're testing on korrin cx

So it can be fixed before 😅

[novel hearth]

Remove gold crates??? Why???

[keen scarab]

I mean making specific crates that u can only transport in a caravan and only these crates give gold, crates that u can walk with are just for moving mats, construction crates or rep crates

[novel hearth]

So you just deny gold making for solos or small groups nice.

[keen scarab]

small groups can just defend 1 caravan, and yeah i do believe u shouldnt be able to farm large amounts of gold just by playing solo and no risk involved

[novel hearth]

Large amounts of gold? Naaah bro you are delusional. Like a crate takes 1.5h to run atleast. With disconnects and such which resulted 15 lost crates for me. Its not large amounts. I'd say its pretty even with gathering if you do it consistently. Which you cant because Crate price DR

[keen scarab]

well crashes are not supposed to be a thing and dr is bad cause of the few nodes leveled outside of riverlands

i ve seen so many guilds just run trains of crates /following each other

i dont think that should be a thing

[novel hearth]

Well they are a thing. Like vhal to mira or NA only profitable route. Also seen alot of guilds just getting war decced and get fucked aswell....

[keen scarab]

yeah, we were the one war deccing, and it was profitable as well

unless u hit a construction crate train

[novel hearth]

If u go solo you can lose your crates to corrupted bitches aswell.

[keen scarab]

but still good gold income imo should always have a certain amount of risk

p2 caravan gameplay loop was way better

[fathom lintel]

Solo crates is fine as soon as u dont get 12g from 1 run

[keen scarab]

yeah maybe just have 2 different type of crates and the caravan only crate is worth like x10

[novel hearth]

Its only for a brief time. Like after 50 crates it gets into DR

[fathom lintel]

Make it less gold from the beginning and make the dr less as eell

[novel hearth]

That can work.

Also they need to add decay to the stored crates if they are stored any other city they crafted from.

[fathom lintel]

Why

[novel hearth]

Because ppl storing shitloads of crate next to the towns about to pop

[fathom lintel]

Whats wrong about that

They still use same amount of mats and time to transfer them

[novel hearth]

The wrong thing is they basically get too much crates before the DR happens

Delivering 3 12g crates spending 5 hours is even open to argument so what about 10 15.

?

Currently Vans are in theory much better but since they are open pvp they have too high risk. With vans you get a bigger slice of the cake which means you can sell more crates before DR triggers

[fathom lintel]

Tbh 12g for crate is a lot regardless if u do it solo or caravan

[novel hearth]

Or yet you can store 30 crates in an X city, wait for the price to go up again and insta sell to make the price go DR again

[novel hearth]

Thats open to argument aswell.

[fathom lintel]

Idk i wouldnt want my crates to get deleted

[keen scarab]

i remember when crates use to give 22g each

[fathom lintel]

Make storage for crates lower and if they still sell for 12g then caravans shoulnd have 36 slots either

[novel hearth]

Thats fair so my suggestion is they only decay when they are stored in a different node they crafted at.

[fathom lintel]

Ye i got that, but imagine u take ur caravan to the node and the prices are shit and u cant wait for dr since they will get deleted

[novel hearth]

Caravan slots are also arguable like 36 slot caravan costs like 150g in EU prob 500 600g in US. If making better and bigger vans are this costly to make then you should get rewarded accordingly aswell.

[fathom lintel]

Yeah but at some point ur just injecting crazy amounts of gold

First to do 36 slot is the king of server

[novel hearth]

I think thr amount of gold you inject yo the server stays the same

Like think of it this way

Lets say that crates are not worth to do on a certain route after 500 turn ins yeah. And lets call this 500 crates a cake.

Vans just lets you have a bigger piece of cake. It doesnt make the cake bigger.

[fathom lintel]

Yeah but everyone else is eating the smaller cake

Get in mind ppl will do caravans at 5-6 am when there is no contest

[novel hearth]

Last time i checked an epic crate costs 3g to make so you are basically investing 108 gold just on crates. Add the van cost you are looking at 260g investment there.

[novel hearth]

That is the point of vans currently. I dont think its bad. Like you are from cartel yeah. When gec attacked there is a much higher chance that ppl show up to defend ur van when u ping on discord server compared to orher smaller guilds. That level of organisation gets rewarded. Meanwhile if you are a smaller guild and they fucking take your only " reliable " source of income you'd feel like shit.

[fathom lintel]

Solid point

Still think the amount of slots in caravan shouldnt be that high

Kinda hard to debate now since there wont be static ratity as well

Having high grade materials was easy

Debating here feels like i am talking with humans unlike in general chat

[novel hearth]

Lol yeah like its hard to make a decision on whats right or what should be in the game. Tho ive saw some ppl say rarity is still there in PTR

[sturdy phoenix]

presumably people dont really have issue with the 1 guy running 1 crate on his back?

Its the issue with 10-15 people (people who could run a caravan) running crates instead because they cant be attacked without corrupting

[fathom lintel]

Its the amount of gold u get for low risk

[sturdy phoenix]

when you have 100 people to defend, its also low risk

[novel hearth]

Well i ve encountered so many clips that gold crate trains gettong war decced and fucked 😂😂😂

[fathom lintel]

Its diffrent when 100 ppl defend lol

[novel hearth]

It is also a low reward aswell if you aint running 30 40 vans....

[fathom lintel]

^

[sturdy phoenix]

ish? gold/hr is way higher with a van

[novel hearth]

Risk is also way higher specially on higher rarity vans and higher rarity crates while attackers have nothing to lose

[sturdy phoenix]

i think thats more a van problem than a crate problem though.

theres no incentive to defend random vans

and no risk for attacking random vans

[novel hearth]

On p2 vans were a thing because even when you lose your van. Attackers must've summon their own van and run it. So you have a chance to actually win your crates back but now if ur van dies its gg

[sturdy phoenix]

in the p2 system i think crowbars needed removing

[novel hearth]

Well you only crowbar the crate if you wanted to deny opposition from thr crates

On p2 because it became worthless after u crowbar it.

[sturdy phoenix]

pretty sure you just got gold? a lot less than the value

but if you were a random person attacking a random van, thats what happened most of the time

[fathom lintel]

You get silver at most

I had like 300 items of what u get when u open them

I dont think i got gold lol

[sturdy phoenix]

relatively vans are way more powerful than p2 anyways i think.

A full high rarity van in p2 was what like 100g maybe?

now a 24 slot caravan could be like 500g?

[fathom lintel]

Idr exact gold value of epic crate before dr

But it was about 12,5g from vhal to miraleth

[sturdy phoenix]

sunhaven to vhal will have another biome cross, and is probs more compareable to a p2 route

either way, a lot lot more gold per route

[pulsar rivet]

hey. uhm. I can't seem to be able to find a pickaxe anywhere in Bonfire.. am I missing something?

[fathom lintel]

It should be somewhere where you first spawn

[inland storm]

It was at the gate in the mountain

[ripe sand]

Imagine sneaking through a 500g caravan at night. gold is settled for a while.. lol

[sturdy phoenix]

with the duping... probs isnt 500g atm

[ripe sand]

Ain't that the truth.

[fervent charm]

At the start, epic was 14,5g if I recall correctly (Miraleth-Vhalgadim or the other way around)
Heroic was 9.5g or something around that

[fathom lintel]

I guess i was late to delivering them

[weak agate]

epic winstead-aela was 5.50g after aela becomes city

[cold imp]

Out of curiostiy. Anyone else noticing that this annoying sound around Carphin is gone?

[fervent charm]

Yeah, I haven't heard. Probably because I haven't logged in, but I'm not sure

[coarse elm]

someone link Lotharia discord

[edgy urchin]

https://discord.gg/syvQXEBG

[uneven dew]

@ebon shore we have a siege going on on lotharia and it's been 1hour preparation stage already

[woeful veldt]

SEND HELP

[fathom lintel]

24 hour war, the best war in history of vera

[steep shuttle]

Siege doesn"t start, we got a 33 hours timer

even after the one hour preparation

[edgy urchin]

the question is will it start in 23h or will it end in 23h, or will it just reset again for 24h xD #foreverwar

[hearty lotus]

@ebon shore Is there a GM available to help out at Lotharia with siege?

[steep shuttle]

We are locked in 30hours pvp 😄

[weak agate]

YOU WANTED PVP?

[hearty lotus]

🙏🏻

[plucky bramble]

👀

@ebon shore so what u 👀 ?

[glad canopy]

I think he pressed the Win button

[hearty lotus]

The endless preparation phase was ended. We don't know why someone won but thanks for ending our suffering!

Now where Siege is over in Winstead, all NPCs, letterbox and such are still missing... ^^°

Relogging and changing server worker does not fix it.

[glacial escarp]

siege rewards for anyone wondering, 1 copper and those pots

[weak agate]

open consumable bag

[fathom lintel]

It says siege gold chest

[glacial escarp]

it was the potions

[weak agate]

check mail also

[glacial escarp]

the rewards are rng

and i got shafted

some people got 20 jm enchanting scrolls

and i got 40 hp 40 mana pots

there aint no way

[fathom lintel]

Mail is down

[hearty lotus]

Is it correct, that the Attacker team of Siege got rewards even though the event was bugged and had to be ended manually without progress done...?
Weird that the attackers got juicy rewards for that.

[edgy urchin]

wtf thats crazy

[glacial escarp]

its either hp/mp pots
stat scrolls / buff pots (the 15sec ones)
enchanting scrolls
maybe theres other options

[fathom lintel]

i like the 1 copper reward

[edgy urchin]

almost same value like the 20 jm enchanting scrolls 😄

[fathom lintel]

Yes i got 1 copper and 20 health pots

[wraith rover]

it's 1 gold just visual error

[wraith rover]

60, 25, 10, 5 odds

[fathom lintel]

it wasnt

I had 129 gold and i still have 129

[glacial escarp]

rich man

[fathom lintel]

Thief actually

[fervent charm]

Sounds like an exploit

[fathom lintel]

Ofcourse, i exploited people's wrong settings and farmed them

[glacial escarp]

cartel exploiter !

[modern garden]

Was New Aela till half an hour before the siege 🙂 Decided to go back to Joeva cause i was pissed to not be able to buy a cape as commen there...

[fathom lintel]

I got a whole video of me exploiting them

[modern garden]

And btw. Joeva would be the best central marketplace 🙂

[fathom lintel]

Sneak peek

[modern garden]

standing in the middle of winstead atm and curious what happens

[fathom lintel]

What are u expecting

[modern garden]

dont really know, was riding there after the siege and before the down... all was normal, only all npcs were gone

[fathom lintel]

Okey?

Npcs should all be back up

[modern garden]

havent been involved

[fathom lintel]

You cant get attacked

It was 100vs100

[modern garden]

im not marked for anything

[fathom lintel]

Tomorrow winstead will have node war where u can get attacked

[modern garden]

and im at no city atm, can get back to joeva at monday

oki, all is like before

[fathom lintel]

If you arent a citizen of winstead or joeva you will not be affected from anything

[modern garden]

including ah items

[fathom lintel]

You can play no worries

[modern garden]

left new aela short before

neutral atm

all ah is still there

Winstead city is level 4 as it was before...

hm, why a siege then ?

[fathom lintel]

For fun

[modern garden]

ok, would be too early for consequences, would have flipped the whole server to another places

but surely was fun for the people 🙂

[fathom lintel]

Had some fun moments

Game was extremly laggy

And core mechanics didnt work

[modern garden]

been in siege test on ptr, was laggy as hell too

but learned a lot, cause im solo player atm, could test my theoretical endgame equip and it worked

as far as it was possible

[fervent charm]

Time to vote boys: https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1431861512053588079

[fathom lintel]

Yes everyone that wants wipe doesnt even read this chats

[pure knot]

I mean that’s kinda on them then

[nova heath]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-an-ad-thats-an-ad-jimmy-thats-an-ad-jimmy-south-park-south-park-gif-21350739

[weak agate]

i think its quite opposite - people who doesnt want wipe are playing game not reading discords. And by amount Wipehype clown pics on a2-general i guess its more of people who stopped playing and waiting for wipe are here.

And with that infos it looks pretty rough for you guys

[nova heath]

actually most people who dont want a wipe are quite casual some didnt even reached 25 yet

but all under the same premise

[weak agate]

well i legit want a wipe but a bit later, like a month after summoner release

would be super cool if they could introduce higher lvl cap and master artisan/items before wipe

[nova heath]

Yea earliest i can see would be early next year

While being optimistic

But achi is right, lot of people moved on for now and wont even check the discord, theres no reason to

Some people just have too much time

[fathom lintel]

i think what most ppl misunderstand is that we want wipe with fixes

People think we wanna play the same garbage for some reason

[novel hearth]

TBF i want more. As @weak agate said fixes and some new shit to test. The wipehype starts after 3 weeks of the launch everytime. The most '' vocal '' wipe hypers are just likes to level to 25 have chat with their friends meanwhile then leaves. Waits for another wipe xDDD

[novel hearth]

i expect a level cap increase after class tree reworks for all classes and 2nd archetypes

Reason being Steven said they gonna rework tank first after Nov update. Then rework all the classes skill trees, implement skill ranks then 2nd archetypes 😛

[celest slate]

[spark star]

https://youtu.be/CNsTCP4WDAU

[fervent charm]

Imagine leveling a summoner to 25, just to get it wiped in a couple of weeks

And then level it again

[fervent charm]

There is much more various segments of the player base who stopped playing for a number of reasons, or haven't played P3 (also for a number of reasons)

[rigid quarry]

blessed warrior of KoKo

[past coral]

Just wipe sometime next year. Too many things to fix still. Static rarity and things tested on PTR right now is a good start but be patient and wipe when we can have a better experience overall. You wipe on November and it's going to be the same shitshow after a month.

[karmic thunder]

anyone ahving issues logging in?

[vivid torrent]

Anyone else having issues being kicked to char screen close to Joeva?

[wary yacht]

I got kicked close to Miraleth

[karmic thunder]

@ebon shore server borders playing up again all morning bro

[celest shuttle]

I was just south of SB and keep getting kicked as well now. Just completely close down the game and launcher and try again, tends to work for some.

[sturdy phoenix]

or logging to a different character

[sacred sky]

So, server performance was not bad for everybody...

[spark star]

It was playable for like short periods of time get progressively worse but relogging helped some of us 🤔

[sacred sky]

I did not see more than 5 red at a same time. I knew we are getting attacked when got CC'd. What's on your video is disgusting example how server does not balance client loads properly.
I felt like you see more than me, but difference is absolutely shocking.

[hallow garnet]

Getting kicked close to Miraleth (coming from Ws, crossing bridge at HH)

[sacred sky]

Had it too between Halcy and Winstead (I think SW19 and SW24). Nothing helped including game restart, you need to wait it out, in few minutes you will be ok.

[glacial escarp]

Loads of people were complaining in both the nodewar and the siege, in both of those i was able to see people from about 60-70 meters away
But siege was way better desync wise , nodewar people stayed alive even after thier hp bars hit 0

[weak agate]

Why there is no mmo with sieges like 10v10 or 20v20 so it would be much more competitive and easy to handle serverside. Idk let Zergs Zerg open world, but make sieges be not zergable

[glacial escarp]

100v 100 (if it worked properly) is still manageable tbh , 10v10 / 20v20 is too small of a scale for something major like a city

[sacred sky]

For me trouble started at least 5 minutes before first engagement, when our raid leader drifted under the bridge and I couldn't find him...
I spent about 25% of time just running through empty map, getting some random damage, rarely lethal... It was surreal.

[glacial escarp]

And you have to consider not the roleplay part of it, but thr fact that its a game and letting such a small number of people participate , just gonna mean that the majority of people will never get to take part in that type of content

[glacial escarp]

For me going full potato graphics , view distance on medium / high and capping the fps to something way below my max helped but idfk which one of those did the deed

Regarding losing your raid leader
Unlucky , get a better one who can communicate where u should be going

[sacred sky]

I have all medium on R9 7950x3d + RTX4090 + 64G, FPS or client performance was never a problem, FPS were ok to great all the time. There was not much to draw after all.
I think problem has something to do that you were on the SW first and got higher on the client list or something.

[glacial escarp]

Not a computer geek disclaimer but
I think the game prioritzes getting to a certain fps before it starts rendering people so it would not render people if the fps goes too low

Hence lowering the target fps and reducing the load helps seeing people , again i dont know anything about pcs this is complete tinfoil

[sacred sky]

Anyway siege was 100v100 and way above expectations; in this we had much less people, so either you have much more or server went potato for some reason and did not even treat everybody the same.

[glacial escarp]

4070 super , gen 14 i7 , 64 ram

And im not connecting from europe so my ping is on the higher end

[sacred sky]

It was server or network issue, nothing to do with clients, I'm pretty sure. I hope Intrepid has at least some data to find it.

[glacial escarp]

I highly encourge you to potatofiy your game if theres a next fight to see if you notice a diffrence

[white grove]

just had the crashed to chatacter select on SQ crossing and when I got back online it deleted 100's of metals from my bags

[sacred sky]

This is a picture of raging battle, I'm really unconvinced that lowering settings from medium to low would make a difference.
This is basically Winstead darkness before you completely load.

[regal pond]

For those crashing when crossing server boundaries, or on certain server workers - Can you please tell me where you were when you crashed?

Even better if you can use Page Up to identify which server worker(s) you were on.

Thanks!

[edgy urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x4EUtSPrPQ
this was like 80% of my gameplay of the war. i dont think it has something to do with rendering anything its just like im on an diffrent planet so my connection to the server is not there q.q

[sacred sky]

Nobody replies, so trying to be helpful; not in game currently, but had issues in the morning, moving from Winsted to Halcyon, leaving SW24 to (I think) SW19. Other computer/account could cross the same boundary without any issues at the same time.

[past coral]

First 5min worked for me and then i got same issue as you. I was running alone taking random damage in the world. Relog fixed it for 1-2 engages and then it happened again. Going all low is more than worth to try (probs will not fix it all but can make it slightly better).

And by fixed i mean i could see people but they took damage after 10s of me hitting them 😄

[edgy urchin]

relogging resulted in swiming under the map for me, i had to unstuck to get up again.
Respawning had a 50% chance that i dont see anyone, so i had to relog again 💀

[sacred sky]

If you ghosted long enough, you eventually got ported to the lake to the east towards the Miraleth road, ask me how I know 😄

[tidal fog]

Can we have the rosethorn armour back in winstead please. Its suffering an identity crisis - sometimes its there sometimes it isn't

[cold imp]

Well i only want it back after it went to the Doctor to get help with that identity crisis!!!!!

[long saddle]

it's spot the bot time \o/

[keen scarab]

anyone still playing is 100% AI

[long saddle]

brilliant take

[keen scarab]

ty im famous for those

[spark star]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-the-office-sad-steve-carrel-gif-6504535541019570333

[past coral]

Just counter with "i'm testing not playing"

[nova heath]

Or in other words "im ill in the head"

[rose stag]

Your statement is incorrect, at the renowned Lotharia server we've just had a glorious siege and a legendary node war.
"Is there anything else I can help you with?"

[fathom lintel]

The glorious siege

[rain lava]

I was in both, we arent playing anymore

[glacial escarp]

maybe , once intrepid confirm that the eu siege timers are fixed we will try it again

[fathom lintel]

It was more fun with the 33 hour war ngl

[rose stag]

Dear sir, your logic has defeated me.
P.S. Look up irony (if you have some free time..)

[crimson salmon]

Update rdy for DL 😉

[pastel sluice]

any1 has problems dcing changing serverworkers?

and now inventory gone.. same as guildmate

@ebon shore lothari working correctly?

[lime ore]

anyone heared of any bans regarding the dupe? aaaanyone suspended at all xD?

[rain lava]

Nope lol

[vivid torrent]

For server worker disconnects/crashes specifically, you can submit a ticket with details of which server worker you were crossing, which realm, etc. here: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360000558614

Vaknar said he wants us to send in info on where etc.

[slender burrow]

I am being kicked back to char selection

char is west of mira town

[pastel sluice]

i was there too.. West side of Oakenbane keep

[slender burrow]

no need for flying mounts though

anyone else stuck in infinate log in loop for a char in Miraleth on Lotharia?

[stuck vale]

🥱

[small wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1433183363853844482

[merry ridge]

Hey all is there still a spreadsheet for all the tables in what citys ?

[karmic thunder]

<@&519722995778977812> server work borders are cook on EU alot of us crashing when leaving jova and new ala

[pallid elk]

Hey Fingers, make sure you're doing in-game bug reports for this

Also, do you have the server worker numbers where you're crashing?

[karmic thunder]

when i get bk in

sw 29 and sw 21

[sacred sky]

Does it help if we provide tcpdump of that issue? I made some some time ago before first EU restart due to SW transition issue and can make new one if that happens to me again.

[noble ether]

Anyone from Steel and Flame or whatever that guild name is?