alpha-two-shol-us

[sudden marsh]

Make sure to bug report it in game :]

[glad abyss]

Where can i bug report the exclamation mark on my dmg numbers?

[main otter]

How do I bug report the same rarity spawning over and over in the same spot till reset?

[sudden marsh]

Lol what's wrong with ut

It*

[glad abyss]

It exist

[sudden marsh]

Welp it helps you determine what caused the damage

[stable sigil]

IS there a petition to turn pvp back on in Jundark? 🙂

[woeful ravine]

I'll sign it, I hate seeing the auto attack spam on boss spawn locations

[glad abyss]

Never had issues, jokes aside It really make the game look cheap imo

[sudden marsh]

Eh not played this patch yet so can't give my opinion but you might awell start a feedback thread and see the hordes opinions gathered

[glad abyss]

I ll do It tomorrow

[sudden marsh]

Looks like someone started one and has a similar opinion

[minor basalt]

did I just do 3k damage, ah no, it was a crit

[glad abyss]

No u did 3k! dmg

[minor basalt]

it really looks strange, guess the normal damage not popping in, but crits doing it instead, would have been too easy and clean

[polar brook]

jail was but the love the court trials lmao

[woeful ravine]

I mean they were already a different color, just saying. I had no issue seeing the difference

[glad abyss]

I think their intent Is to give a different visual feedback from weapon dmg and ability dmg, but personally i thought It was already pretty clear

[outer talon]

Hey look the gamers that alt f4 their caravans lost them oh well 😄

[warm swallow]

Bring back jundark

THIS GAME IS DOGSHIT BRING BACK JUNDARK

[gritty rapids]

So what's this about Jundark pvp being off

no longer lawless zone or what?

[still patrol]

as with the other areas as the node areas get added and are available to be leveled the lawless zone area has been removed yas.

Currently the lawless area is the ocean and the islands out in the tropics

[warm swallow]

BRING BACK JUNDARK @proper igloo

(please)

[warm swallow]

Currently the game sucks

[sonic anchor]

I love that

[ashen glen]

its even better than

[sonic anchor]

Fair

Personally you can’t say something sucks if it isn’t finished

[warm swallow]

Go to iron wing and look what they did

[dawn dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/young-ruckus-gif-13612451841215634696

[sonic anchor]

I will when I get home but at work

[midnight surge]

one on left has a pixel out

thats an insult to bob roos

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-bob-ross-inzaynia-twitch-gif-998068232686353232

[gritty rapids]

lol what kinda ass backwards logic is that

[sonic anchor]

If it isn’t finished then it can’t truly suck. It isn’t done. It’s like looking at a half finished painting saying it sucks and then a month later the painting being done and it’s better than any painting you ever saw

[gritty rapids]

Okay but the painting can still look like shit while its unfinished anyways?

A product isn't above reproach because a product isn't considered "done"

That's like saying people can't critique early access games because they're incomplete lol

[sonic anchor]

Fair

[sterile crag]

Game needs more lawless zones tbh

[silver flax]

Yeah it’s rough lol. Can’t wait for it to die so can snag the one next to it. And Bob Ross even being talked about is a wonderful thing. We can always use more of the happiness that guy tried to bring everyone.

[jolly scarab]

Lions hold should definitely be lawless 😈

[sonic anchor]

You’re a lawless zone

[sterile crag]

You know it, you can do anything on me

[sonic anchor]

lol

[sterile crag]

😉

[sonic anchor]

Fine I give hugs

🫂

[heady pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011509444892426311/1232751759240200373/PrntScr.gif

I dunno man, you should paint skyrim instead

now that has some good stuff

[woven orchid]

anyone else having an issue in action target mode with the mouse bugging out in the background and being there permanantly?

[heady pawn]

time to stop using action target mode and switch back to the more superior targeting mode

[worn pendant]

Guys, how does the "water speed" of the mounts work? I see on the chat that the voyager is faster than the tidesnapper.

But the snapper is 150% and the voyager is 145%. Is that bugged or how does it work?

[heady pawn]

but is it faster?

[worn pendant]

they say that the voyager is faster than the snapper

i was not able to test it

but i find it very confusing

[vestal thicket]

DOUBLE RIP BROOOOOOOO

[autumn parcel]

tidesnapper grants underwater breathing

[steady oasis]

double rip

[worn pendant]

Yeah i get that, but the snapper is 150% water speed and somehow is slower than the 145% voyager

[autumn parcel]

mounts have pros & cons - pick the right mount for the right scenario

[worn pendant]

Not my question

[autumn parcel]

good

[worn pendant]

150% clearly > 145%

[autumn parcel]

really?

[worn pendant]

are we on the same page?

[autumn parcel]

that's crazy

[worn pendant]

??

[heady pawn]

that is crazy

[worn pendant]

I don't understand if i'm not explaining myself properly or if i'm missing something

[heady pawn]

So I can only conclude 100% are the fastest

I think it's very obvious what's going on

the numbers are wrong

next question

[worn pendant]

That's what i'm asking. Ok good

Cuz i'm with someone on vc saying water speed scaless by the ground speed of the mount and what not

[heady pawn]

if that's true then someone fucked up

[signal axle]

tell that to scorpions

[heady pawn]

mounts have always been a sloppy mess

[worn pendant]

Scorpions don't have "water speed" stat

Yeah i just wanted to see what other people tested and said

as i have not been able to test it out myself yet

[wild rune]

@proper igloo Can we get Ashes of Creation classic?

• 5-gold war decks
• less punishing corruption
• PVP zones everywhere
• crafting system where lvl 10 gear was good
• old enchanting with an actual gold sink
• caravan driver defense buff

❤️ ty. But seriously it does feel like the game is taking huge leaps forward with improvements but massive steps backwards in fun in some specific systems.

[fossil bough]

how dare you make sense!

[fresh raft]

I wonder how many reactions you'll need @wild rune to get a response? maybe a few hundred.

[heady pawn]

What about this though?

[lean shuttle]

Ashes Classic P1 experience

[fresh raft]

Phase 1 was way more fun than this

[lean shuttle]

300 quality rating to craft legendary gear from rare mats

Let’s go

[haughty galleon]

Went from that to not being able to craft anything. We need to go full circle

[lean shuttle]

No food rarities

And no, I will not stop holding a grudge until they give cooks our due. Cooks have been shafted every phase.

[fresh raft]

It was inbalaned but we could at least do things.

[wild rune]

What about it?

[heady pawn]

yes or no?

[grave aurora]

dev stream tomorrow... wonder what will be addressed there

[lean shuttle]

P1 - no food rarities
P2 - chicken and cows inventory items, can’t go above 50 stack
P2.5 - well, 2 cows per butter. LOL

[haughty galleon]

Who knows but I'ma keep count on how many times they say "we are in alpha".

[lean shuttle]

Drink every time they say “open development”

See god speed run

[fresh raft]

Empty platitudes. I need to see some real action before i believe anymore talk.

[wild rune]

https://x.com/parlatv1/status/1186961641440776193/photo/1

False accusation I was reinstated into the tournament 24 hrs later

Parla (@parlatv1)

@TipsOutBaby

X · Oct 23, 2019, 11:04 AM

[heady pawn]

I would not count on it

[lean shuttle]

Steven dies a little inside and then delays P3 every time someone mentions Wow here.

Furry game

[slate obsidian]

well its all wow classic wannabe guilds here

[wild rune]

wannabe?

[lean shuttle]

Wow classic was fun for like a month and then the bots came.

[fresh raft]

If they delay P3 i think we'll need radiation scrubbers for the degree of fallout.

[lean shuttle]

[slate obsidian]

ty for unblocking, i just wanted to clown react you again

[wild rune]

#1 na #3 world. This broke you.

[lean shuttle]

And just like that, P3 is delayed.

Back to occult crescent grind lolol

[slate obsidian]

oh hey i just started that

[wild rune]

Theres so little to do in ashes atm being forced to play mop classic unlucky

[lean shuttle]

I feel that. But lots of games on the backlog so, it’s not a bad thing imo

For me personally anyway

Expedition 33 is a big one… I gotta start that shitty French game that’s making everyone cry

French… Ew.

[haughty galleon]

I don't play games unless I'm playing Ashes. I just catch up on shows during down time lol.

[prime panther]

if im not playing ashes i jus go hang out with friends or go to the gym

if i play a better game ill quit ashes xD

[sly wadi]

My afk game with movie/something else on the 2nd screen in 2.5 is mega strong

[haughty galleon]

I'd take some fleshed out story lines at this point fuck lol.

[lean shuttle]

Did you see the new WH40 trailer?

[fresh raft]

I picked up bitcraft online & i got Path of Exile 3.26 in 2 weeks.

[lean shuttle]

Malcador AND Valdor in the same video

[haughty galleon]

No the turn based RPG game?

[lean shuttle]

[grave aurora]

you didn't know? This is a cozy game now

[haughty galleon]

Idk lol someone was talking about a turn based WH game coming out

[lean shuttle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZW7ANLaA0&pp=ygUNV2g0MGsgdHJhaWxlcg%3D%3D

Get hyped!

[sly wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/bean-comedy-rowan-atkinson-excited-happy-gif-3424467

[haughty galleon]

I like the WH40k lore but I'm not into the table top lol.

[lean shuttle]

That’s fair honestly

I’ve spent WAY too much money on the minis….

Don’t get into it honestly

It ruins your life

[haughty galleon]

I know there is a WH40k show being made by Amazon. Hoping thats good.

[lean shuttle]

Henry Cavill’s a huge die hard WH40k fan, so if he quits, it’s shit. If he’s back on board, it’s gonna be good.

That’s how I’m seeing it at least

[sly wadi]

When Lord Henry is SUPERMAN

When Lord Henry quit SUPERMAN

[lean shuttle]

My favourite moment in recent cinema was The Cavillrine

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-and-wolverine-henry-cavill-cavillrine-cavilrine-gif-9626823379068709359

[rustic jacinth]

I'm almost tempted to redownload throne and liberty again 😂

[rustic jacinth]

Yea their coming out with another turn based rpg by same people who made rogue trader

[untold veldt]

where everyone @?

back2back boss kills

[heady pawn]

5 am in EU bro

[quaint fractal]

World boss loot is literally trash

[vital sun]

yeah those loot screenshots are the reason why lmfao

[quaint fractal]

Just another thing this phase made useless

[mortal iris]

Everyone done logged out and uninstalled till phase 3 🤣 Cant blame them either.

[untold veldt]

dead game. confirmed. lol

[vestal needle]

Not inaccurate for some reaosn we're taking a month to get rid of this god awful 1-2-2 crafing system

[mortal iris]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-jack-black-nod-nodding-approve-gif-7978418700455447011

[vestal needle]

Crafting totally needed to be changed we definitely weren't wearing full crafted sets last phase

[vital sun]

if this had been my first phase, i'd have stopped playing after a week. I dont blame the people who did.

[vestal needle]

I'm so glad I told my friends to let it cook for a few more months

[mortal iris]

How we dont have a area that encourages pvp is ??? like pvp events or something. Instead all the pvp keep getting thinned out.

[heady pawn]

I haven't played since shol came online

best decision of my life

[vital sun]

World bosses still not being force flag events is pure

[vestal needle]

There's so much PvP think about your 18 hour CD and 100 kill wars that cost 22g. There's so much PvP the PvE players need some love.

[mortal iris]

[frigid warren]

I agree that crafting needed to be made a little more difficult, but the 1-2-2 was not the way. With how sparse resources are because only the best coughcheaterscough get to the spawns on server reset, then sell at ridiculous prices , it costs like 10 gold to get one material requirement of one weapon or whatever. It's painful. Really painful. So the still painful, but at least not running around for hours, of looting from enemies is still better than crafting

[vital sun]

Crafting didnt need to be more difficult. The gathering system of camping a legendary/epic spawn was the problem, which was fixed......and then this.....I still do not understand the direction.

[vestal needle]

They wanted crafting to be more relevant than wearing full sets of crafted gear that they managed to swing it so you wear... zero crafted pieces. 🤣

[ruby igloo]

this price is good as well

[wild rune]

All the items are trash we arent doing world bosses anymore

[untold veldt]

yeah that was wild zero contest at either one....few EU cats were at firebrand and we took it from them, after getting tumok. but yeah pretty trash loot

[wild rune]

World bosses are my favorite content but literally not one item is bis so makes no sense to waste time at them when you can be going for named mobs. But now all the zones are pve zones so all you can do is mob tag. The game has gone into a really weird place.

[shut fossil]

I really really don't see why they wouldn't keep Jundark as lawless or have lawless zones around the major pois man

Really weird decision

[haughty galleon]

It was fun when you could deck on like 5 guilds at once during world bosses. RIP.

[shut fossil]

Endless war was spectacular

[haughty galleon]

AoC Classic bring back endless wars from P1.

[shut fossil]

Just lemme fight ppl man

What is this terms and conditions bullshit

Oh you can finally fight someone if they are purple and ate toast this morning.

[haughty galleon]

I refuse to flag again with this corruption system. Last phase it wasn't a big deal since you could replace gear easily. But now it's cancer af.

[shut fossil]

Flagging is so ass

Might aswell be full schizo with it.

Yea but are they really purple

They haven't attacked you? They are purple tho.

Not touching that shit

[wild rune]

I literally have no idea what to do in the game at this point, I'm a gm of a guild and I don't know what to tell my guild to do other than sit at named mobs and mob tag.

• gold is worthless so caravans are pointless
• world bosses are pointless bc none of the gear is bis
• wars are only for fun and they cost 22g for 100kills
• sieges are only for fun and cost 1000gold

Im actually curious what does intrepid want us to do in the game currently?

[lean shuttle]

Economy

[haughty galleon]

Pick flowers.

[spring bobcat]

based

[shut fossil]

Idk if there's a way to fix it lawless zones around POIS at certain times? Could work there's basically 0 reason to do fucking anything rn

https://tenor.com/view/rain-chair-sad-gif-24080159

Pov

Economy is fucked in every single direction that isn't up

[haughty galleon]

I just hope they change their mind and add some non-ocean lawless zones on launch.

[shut fossil]

Jundark was supposed to be this right

[haughty galleon]

For Alpha I think so. But on launch their plan was only ocean lawless.

[shut fossil]

I remember Steven talking about how noone could ever conquer it and it was supposed it be a high level lawless zone

But was de leveled for testing

[wild rune]

@tacit viper @proper igloo

The game is in the best state bug wise (still long way to go but massive improvements)

But its in the worst state #EVER of Alpha 2 in terms of gameplay loop and fun.

[shut fossil]

What loops

[spring bobcat]

You know. The loops. Where you get timers on a bunch of mobs and go in circles killing them for hours upon hours with minimal to show for it.

[shut fossil]

Oh that loop? I just assumed that was a game bug

I love fighting time itself real fun mechanic

[wild rune]

Ya the fact that you can sit at a boss for 8 hours and never get an item is really bad. The lack of progression in the gearing system is awful.

Give me the old econ back ill take the ttk as well

the game was so much more fun

[shut fossil]

I like how the double item bosses don't have a true 50/50 chance on the items when it rolls that slot. And all those double item bosses apart from grizzler have 1 turbo juiced item and 1 get fucked lmao you thought you got it item. Oh and they rarely drop items to begin with.

Really fun idea guys

[wild rune]

Ya I just have no clue what they are going for I really wish they people in charge of these systems had to take 1 hour a week answering questions in the disc

[pine grail]

I think without lawless zones there is no pvp. Why? What's the point of flagging in boss location if the other group just sits there

[shut fossil]

Or just ask us lmao they used to do polls and threads about people's current thoughts on systems and priorities

[open zodiac]

Did the world end? You have people from all over the world for the first time ever in agreement. Holy shit.

[shut fossil]

But yea 0 clue what their direction is atm

[spring bobcat]

👫 phase 2.5 worst phase

[shut fossil]

The items being able to drop in heroic sometimes is a really nice change

Everything else? Fucking terrible.

[buoyant apex]

They could do that before though.

[tropic valve]

Na they just have to sit at Gravepeak for 8h and experience trying to get 3 moon

[haughty galleon]

And it's not even close. There was RMT in P1 and P2 but the fact that crafting was relevant heavily mitigated it.

[shut fossil]

Yea but not as commonly

Seeing anything over blue was basically a lottery ticket

[shut fossil]

Day 3 gravepeak farming ahead of the curve gaming

[buoyant apex]

Maybe might just be survivorship bias.

Need to know overall drop rate, but I doubt they are going to reveal those numbers.

[shut fossil]

All I got was fresh air

Hand over spot to 2nd cartel group thinking im giving them a white elephant

[tropic valve]

The amount of time I wasted there is

[shut fossil]

3 moons and grizzler shit drops like candy

Yep really fun

[lilac cliff]

2.5 was a mistake should have just let us keep the p2 characters and extended that btch to august atleast then we would have jm crafting

global server another 🤡 move ngl

[haughty galleon]

I think I spent close to 70 hours farming skullcap and ended up buying it instead.

[spring bobcat]

yeah, the best stuff took a lot of time investment interacting with the game and knowing the crafting systems

[pine grail]

💀

[lilac cliff]

p3 gonna be another rmt nightmare quote me on it

[shut fossil]

Ado was going insane trying to get his man until Crab made a very generous donation of his 3 moons, unfortunately it went to Ado so good thinking hat doesn't work well on him.

[tropic valve]

Rookie numbers I believe

[spring bobcat]

bruh, they better figure some of this shit out. Cause the cheating is insane.

[lean shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-peace-rainbow-multicultural-day-dream-gif-20417641

P2.5 is the best phase because now we’re all together

[hoary sparrow]

Quick question: At the end of Phase 1, there was a feedback form that we could fill. Was there a form for the end of Phase 2?

[shut fossil]

Maybe the real drops were the friends we made along the way.

[pine grail]

It's impossible to stop rmt when you have caravan system when gold is made up from thin air.

[vital sun]

I swear you're the first PI person ive seen type some shit that makes sense

[haughty galleon]

Yeah idk if a Cartel or Asylum person got my ring of invocation at tumok one time.

[spring bobcat]

LOL

ty <3

[shut fossil]

I think gege so Asylum

[tropic valve]

I like how JM enchanting scrolls are 330 Braidwood each when enchanting doesn't even give you 1% power cuz of DR

[shut fossil]

He's Welsh so technically not been a real country for ages

[haughty galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

that was me

[lilac cliff]

wdym bro thats so worth 🤡 dont u want to spend 5k braidwood for the chance of full +8?

[pine grail]

10k?

[tropic valve]

Ye asylum snatched it up I believe

[shut fossil]

Guys guys let's rework crafting and gathering and then not rework gathering and tell them DONT WORRY BIG ECO UPDATE NEXT WEEK

2 weeks ago

[haughty galleon]

I'm pretty sure it's been delayed like 4 times now.

[shut fossil]

If I don't laugh the voices will win and I'll microwave myself

[tropic valve]

You mean the two weeks during which we got summoner, tank rework and mage rework?

[shut fossil]

I much would've preferred static rarity to this horse shit half measure they put in

[haughty galleon]

GeGe my goat he deserved it.

[shut fossil]

If i see 10 people around 1 tree like a bunch of fucking Loraxes atleast i know if i flag for it ill get some pvp tree be dammed.

[tropic valve]

Na rogues deserve a perma bann, all of them

[vital sun]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-hurts-gif-12096381820083648834

[shut fossil]

Yea sure and right after that we will get 2nd archetype

AND THEN 2ND CONTINENT

[haughty galleon]

Holy fuck I forgot secondary archetypes where going to be a thing.

[vital sun]

Not in 2025 theyre not

[lean shuttle]

Are you ready for all the paladins

[shut fossil]

Surely they will be released in a correct working state sometime in my life time.

[tropic valve]

You mean the tank subclass everyone is playing already?

[wild rune]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/67107/subject-feedback-on-recent-stat-and-ttk-changes/p2

I predicted all these issues btw...

[lean shuttle]

I don’t think anyone saw P2.5 and went “Well, that’s a great idea”

[vital sun]

Idk what anyone's mad about. Look at all this great content we got in exchange for the lawless zone and trading post 😐

[shut fossil]

Everyone being forced to cleric and tank sub class is gonna be really fun and healthy for the game.

If I wanted turn based pvp I'd go start shit in salt channel of the shol discord. 1 message 24hr timeout try again tomorrow dipshit.

[stark wolf]

that wil;l never hit stage 3 by end of test phase :p

[haughty galleon]

Can't wait to see Bard+Bard 40 man raids.

[lean shuttle]

Are you ready for the 40 Tank/Cleric Paladin raids?

[pine grail]

Bard is not even that broken

[stark wolf]

they could of made one of the new nodes a new layout lol atleast it would be something new for removal of pvp lol

[shut fossil]

[latent grotto]

Bard is easily the best class in the game XD

[shut fossil]

Take your bait

[stark wolf]

lets just have day 1 chaos where all ZOI are lawless until a node hit stage 3 😛 eith exception of starting zone

[latent grotto]

it's hard to even know if that's bait in the official discord

[haughty galleon]

Omg I'm surprised the mod bot didn't automatically time me out for that GIF.

[pine grail]

It's kinda hard your rogue has 2 CC breaks I'm fucked

[tropic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-19242449

Bro we all know rogues are 1v1 machines

[wild rune]

if there was a fresh archeage server... id swap the whole guild to it right now

[shut fossil]

Bard is still the most well designed class for 1v1s Bards group play and sheer utility is insane.

[tropic valve]

Give me aion 2 already

[pine grail]

Nah but fr how bard is broken if tank have 7k ho and crit 700 ?

[pine grail]

Yes I agree bard in good place but not broken

[latent grotto]

Ultron on Marvel Rivals tomorrow

[shut fossil]

Oneuproad is trying to get us to dl archeage classic

After today's patch I might take him up on that

[haughty galleon]

Someone said it was going to be a mobile game. Is this true......

[tropic valve]

We just agree to play 2 weeks of Dune

[spring bobcat]

its supposed to have RvR right?

[latent grotto]

I just want them to add Mythic+ and LFR to this PvE game.

[wild rune]

main issue is with this game currently no one good in leadership of a guild makes content and 98% of the content creators are hard stuck lvl 13 and unironically intrepid listens to their feedback

[buoyant apex]

Supposedly bit nobody really knows.

[tropic valve]

Na that got scratched I believe

[pine grail]

Who counter rogues?

[shut fossil]

I might just go back to my single player games man for rest of phase and just tourney log

[tropic valve]

Yeah as far as I know

[shut fossil]

Rogues

[latent grotto]

Rogues got some stealth nerfs today...if you know you know XD

[haughty galleon]

Yeah I might finally get to my steam back log.

[shut fossil]

Oblivion and expedition 33 sitting nice and pretty ready to played.

[latent grotto]

The nerfs rogue got today don't even matter because it's a PvE game now so GG nerds.

[buoyant apex]

I had some rogue accuse me of cheating when I spotted his little predator shimmer as he walked infront of me.

[tropic valve]

Need Sol Deus and Constantine back honestly azadim ragebait was deluxe content

[latent grotto]

There unironically are botters that have ESP through walls though XD

[shut fossil]

You know shits rough when the single player games looking mighty fine

[pine grail]

Your pirate friends are sad now 😔

[spring bobcat]

It's supposed to be made for PC but a version is playable on mobile. So take that one as you will. lol

[wild rune]

I am probably gonna do a podcast style youtube video and invite like 4 or 5 non-shitters in leadership of guilds to talk about the best and worst things about the game.

[buoyant apex]

Oh I'm fully aware. I just caught him in a high contrast area so that shimmer combined with movement was easy to spot.

[tropic valve]

Maybe Steven will listen

[shut fossil]

I would post a Alex Jone gif but I'd get sent to the shadow realm.

[wild rune]

Only way to get the attention of devs is to make content

[latent grotto]

I'm sure tomorrow's livestream will be very civil and nobody will be bombastic about the lawless zone changes

[buoyant apex]

Mods gonna be busy for sure

[pine grail]

Yep all of us will spam 🤙😎 in the Chat best change ever because no pvp in pvx game

[open zodiac]

"Theres no loot only pain" was suppose to be a joke.

[shut fossil]

Surely we will all form an orderly line and give constructive criticism in a nice layed out format.

[latent grotto]

How hard would it be to rip the nodes out the Jundark...like honestly lol

[tropic valve]

Broooo I can't fight over hawk tua bow any more?!?!?!! Helllllo I want to jump down and bomb people

[buoyant apex]

It's not like this has happened twice already or anything.

[latent grotto]

There's no pvp content in the game except for 2 islands with 9000 people on them or nobody lol

[pine grail]

Yep

[shut fossil]

It has but Jundark was supposed to be different

[spring bobcat]

legit was the best spot to go if you wanted to mess around for quick pvp. such good fights over there.

[tropic valve]

I swear if that livestream doesn't give me a full fledged kraken world boss it's ggs

[buoyant apex]

When was that ever stated?

Like seriously do you guys just lack pattern recognition?

[tropic valve]

I just lack braincells and carry a massive amount of copium with me

[buoyant apex]

Then you shouldn't be joining alphas

[wild rune]

plz god someone at intrepid figure out movement speed

• bards being faster than mounts (bad)
• mounts being faster than caravels (bad)
• Scorps being faster than JM mounts (bad)

Will someone please explain to them movement speed needs to be balanced and is probably the most op stat in mmos???

[latent grotto]

Bards are the gods of the W key.

[shut fossil]

Steven has said before on stream that Jundark hasn't been conquered before, is supposed to act as an endgame zone but has been leveled down for testing purposes

[spring bobcat]

TM in full on vent mode. I'm here for it.

[tropic valve]

*bunny hopping scripts that out run caravals (bad)

[shut fossil]

My pattern recognition skills will get me put in jail in my country tho ty

[buoyant apex]

Where did he ever state it would stay lawless?

Or did you just insert what you wanted in between the lines...again.

[latent grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[tropic valve]

I mean an open Window is an open Window

[shut fossil]

Just would've been much better for them to keep it lawless in the current state of the game instead of this.

[shut fossil]

[wild rune]

So issue here is how momentum in the game works ppl dont even need to script this its a macro built into every keyboard and mouse. You can do this with literally just timing jumps if you are good enough but ya zero chance of fixing this but it affects everything blink, charge, disengage etc

[vital sun]

This discord chat is about as active as global chat right now.

[buoyant apex]

Why? Cause it was more fun? They aren't building for fun right now they are building base systems to get them functional.

[shut fossil]

The movement issues are a common UE5 fuckery tbh its gonna take some major effort to fix it.

[tropic valve]

Yeah ik macro, script just makes it more reliable and accessible and takes the skill away 🥲

[buoyant apex]

Movement has been like this since ue 3.5 ish

[tropic valve]

Imagine building a custom physics engine

[buoyant apex]

Cause it's a shooter engine

[spring bobcat]

says someone that can fly XD

[shut fossil]

You think km not aware of them building for functionality, however we have seen the nodes added 3 times now this isn't anything different this could have easily been pushed back into the economy update

[tropic valve]

[spring bobcat]

[buoyant apex]

So serious question here, I'm not being mean. Have you any experience in production level programming?

[shut fossil]

I like my rogue that travels at mach fuck in pvp fight

[wild rune]

razor synapse -> jump keybind down/up set to 1000 per mili sec key bind macro to whatever key. They need to fix this bc it makes all mounts irrelevant

[shut fossil]

Brother you aren't taking the high ground here with this shit lmao

[wild rune]

ships need weight or you will just get zerged by 40 people on a caravel with zero risk on their end

[buoyant apex]

Not trying too I'm wondering your experience with actual software dev cycles

[wild rune]

I've QA'd a bunch of wow

multiple tiers

The QA on ashes is horrible or extremely understaffed

[shut fossil]

Im fully aware of how the pushing stuff their internal to live in this case testing works. Setting Jundark to lawd was a mistake plain and simple, and its cope to think it wasn't.

[tropic valve]

If I had to guess I swear half the people in here have a background in cs

[spring bobcat]

The crafting cost changes alone were enough to make me question if anyone is playing the game. like wat.

[shut fossil]

What do you mean you don't enjoy scatter shot sometimes forcing you to wait the full charge for the last 6 months lmao.

[acoustic temple]

Tbh the average age of people in ashes is like 35 so odds are

[buoyant apex]

They act like they do. But their reactions show otherwise. Game is on the get it working and get it testing phase. Fun doesn't factor into it.

[tropic valve]

I swear today when they rolled out the settings changes you can make, it took us 10min to figure a fucking page long list of issues with it lmao

[latent grotto]

Game is still making good progress but this patch was just ass. Hopefully they change it.

[acoustic temple]

What you dont like that you need litterly 10x the rss to craft the same item that took a week to craft previously?

[shut fossil]

This tbh.

[tropic valve]

Unfortunately

[shut fossil]

Surely p3 guys

Ludo is Relik making his appearance finally for p3

[spring bobcat]

for real. x.x

[tropic valve]

Tbh the quality of life changes were insane if they would work properly

[vestal needle]

I am so fucking immersed by the 280 braidwood to make a single bow

[buoyant apex]

Condensing node buffs into a single icon was a great change.

[shut fossil]

Atleast take me to dinner before ass fucking me.

[tropic valve]

Bro ima beat his ass if he doesn't I just need to sabotage the TnL chapter enough so that they all quit for ashes and we insta get fucking full roster giga gamers

[acoustic temple]

Im more immersed by the realism of 2 cows to make 1 cup of milk just like real life

[vestal needle]

I personally prefer 6 cows and 64 willow to make a singular sandwich

[buoyant apex]

Here at vera farms we milk the entire cow. That's 50% more cow

[latent grotto]

new lawless pvp zone: Braidwood Forest

[shut fossil]

Personally I prefer a small forest to make 1 caravan.

[shut fossil]

I assume we will see a big uptick in peeps after the tnl tourney

[vestal needle]

I really hope they turn all the islands into more nodes so I can avoid risk of PvP

[shut fossil]

Just flag bro its such a good system its really fun and cool.

[wild rune]

I actually don't agree with this. They took major steps backwards when in comes to overall fun.

This phase was a major failure for econ, gameplay loops, crafting, hacking, new system implementation, and overall node design and progression.

[buoyant apex]

So can I expect meltdowns every time a new zone is converted from lawless to lawfull? I need to prepop my popcorn.

[tropic valve]

Shit was already cooked when we only got 2nd last time and syn won 👀
Joking boys are doing a great job I just need them on my roster and not playing that shit ass mobile esk game

[wild rune]

Unironically would prefer they take the game down for a week and dont re-open it till they have a vision and explanation of what our gameplay loop should be. Until they know we shouldnt be playing the game imo.

[spring bobcat]

ngl I've gotten kinda attached to having EU around. Going to be weird if we go back to regional servers.

[vital sun]

yeah if the server pop looks like this with everyone, kinda worried about splitting it

[latent grotto]

I'd love for the game to be global servers but it's a pain in the ass with all the different laws countries have...it's apparently more difficult that it seems.

[acoustic temple]

I dont think the patch was bad issue is litterly every and I mean every main system currently is useless or has such a flaw in that it is frustrating to interact with

[shut fossil]

It's made decent progress on the map side of things but as you said for base systems and half assed reworks they don't implement all at once is so fucked its insane I hope they got some good data out of it like.

Did you know Steven asking for 100+ wood in high rarities to make weapons is bad.

Thought provoking stuff

[tropic valve]

Too real would also give a chance to touch some grass my dump ass has been playing this for 16h+ a day for almost a month now whenever there wasn't any downtime

[vestal needle]

Alright I got a new map for Intrepid let me know your thoughts.

[buoyant apex]

It's why most companies doing stuff like this just follow the most restrictive set of laws.

Same reason California basically determines nation wide emissions standards.

[latent grotto]

too much PvP....

[spring bobcat]

That's why I was so confused every time they kept extending the test these past couple weeks. I was thinking why aren't they just letting it come down and fixing it.

[shut fossil]

If they make the moon island in tropics not lawless I will lose my fucking shit in p3

[latent grotto]

nuke it

there's a poket of water PvP could happen in

NUKE IT

no PvP

[wild rune]

This is the most concerning part of intrepids development, they fuck up on really really obvious shit. Like no one has even done a node war a major fucking system in the game. Is that not a MASSSIVE red flag???

Oh wait people dont want to mine 500 materials and kill random pve mobs to even activate the objective???

[latent grotto]

The node thing does have me worried. I love the game but never in my life have I EVER cared about a node.

[acoustic temple]

New nodes or zones dont mean anything. They add 1 new bis item so instead off grinding for 20+ hours in a cave in the desert ill do it in the jundark instead. They need a better gameplay loop or better yet make getting gear via crafting possible or at least not take 20+ hours to get 1 or 2 drops

[shut fossil]

The illusion of free choice mine 800 material for your gear or spend 800 hours camping mobs

[vestal needle]

Alright I fixed the problem of water having PvP

[tropic valve]

Just kill each other 800 times But for that you have to pay 250g and donate 10k resources

[shut fossil]

ATLANTIS IS BACK

[vital sun]

dont forget to delete that trading post too, we're not allowed to have them apparently

[solemn echo]

I spent six hrs tonight farming 1 boss and got 1 drop 😌

[vestal needle]

We'll get to that hopefully the end of this week

[solemn echo]

Are we having fun yet?

[spring bobcat]

This offends me. I want to be the node queen of moon island.

[wild rune]

I'm not kidding Intrepid should immediately open up QA positions to players in the games best guilds asap and they would save 1000s of hours of wasted work time. The devs seem like phone game developers or some shit they are completely clueless on mmos (not all of them) (but a lot)

[shut fossil]

Leave my moon island alone

[latent grotto]

wtf bro this is not a PvP game

[solemn echo]

Favorite pic from today

[latent grotto]

I'm just going to get griefed

more nodes.

[shut fossil]

1 big node

Fuck it

[vital sun]

Pangealithstead

[solemn echo]

Over four weeks of being told Econ patch soon

[vestal needle]

[shut fossil]

1 real big fuck off node, and the PVErs will pay for it

[solemn echo]

Only thing provided temp shitty gatherer change 😂

[vital sun]

if you dont accidently turn in your caravan 8 times an hour, there arent enough nodes

[tropic valve]

I mean 20 mayors on a 5th of the map thats supposed to have a total of like 6 mayors also sounds great tbh

[solemn echo]

If they were going to fuck is this hard they should’ve left all the OG servers open and said fuck it

[shut fossil]

Me waiting for econ patch so I don't need to commit eco terrorism for funny little bow.

[wild rune]

craziest change today that no one asked for 2hr cd on home port LMFAO. Nova had a war with us today and just got perm camped could not leave the zone

interesting change...

[vestal needle]

[tropic valve]

Also like how I can respawn at home emberspring every two hours now goated change ngl

[solemn echo]

[acoustic temple]

QA sure but how about idk using a realm that they could test changes to see if it is going in the right direction

[vital sun]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[solemn echo]

There’s no point to test this guys

Pack it up

[shut fossil]

Yea who the FUCK asked for a 2hr respawn added to home ember

[wild rune]

ya idk the ptr shit is wild too not using it ??? wtf is going on

[vestal needle]

We are in 0.11 with one scuffed crafting change implemented 🤣

[vital sun]

"we made it so a ton of gatherables spawn together, that sometimes bug out" "theyre all going to be common probably, and you need to gather like 400 per weapon" "300 per sandwich"

[acoustic temple]

I was just think to myself I really hope they make traveling take longer 30 mins just isnt enough time

[tropic valve]

Bro im legit going back to Korea with exitlag for aion 2 🤔 TnL wasn't even that bad

[shut fossil]

300 chips for 1 sandwich and 400 wood sounds like real intrepid math so far

[tropic valve]

Don't forget about the random teleporting of clusters ❓

[wild rune]

ya idk feels like they are getting sabotaged internally someone is getting revenge on steven

[shut fossil]

If it wasn't for the tourney i would've gone to single player library

This phase is straight cheeks

[tropic valve]

I just need that giga Chad who designed bard and rogue to become lead game designer honestly

[shut fossil]

Bucky do be kinda cooking

[quartz tundra]

the buffs are not showing on character artisan stat page though no idea what your bonus actually is

[acoustic temple]

Honestly I played all p1 and 2 like everyday for 6+ hours and enjoyed it p2.5 has been the worst state ashes has been in. At this point im not even sure what to they need to fix first. Id like to think they will make things better but after them saying they will fix crafting and then made drops 5x harder and crafting 10x harder im not sure anymore.

[tropic valve]

Especially for a phase that is supposed to be sooo short like why don't make shit easier so we can actually test it?!?!???

[shut fossil]

You will get back on the wheel and enjoy it

[quartz tundra]

doesnt look like a reset is hapening tonight

[tropic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/im-coming-ben-stiller-mining-walking-here-i-come-gif-17903367

[vital sun]

even if this was for a longer phase, the crafting system is c000000000000ked SO cooked its amazing its still how it is

[shut fossil]

The enshitifaction of the economy will continue until morale improves

[quartz tundra]

population on the server has probably hit a new low today...

[tropic valve]

Ye and econ state is also amazing with practically 0 gold sinks

[acoustic temple]

Idk if it will be short anymore tbh alot of people are looking at p3 and if it starts with even half of the main issues rn idk if ashes can come back from that

[quartz tundra]

people read the patch notes and said, nope....

[shut fossil]

Wait we can read?

[tropic valve]

I won't play for sure, not leveling for that shit again at least not in the same exact way we did 3 weeks ago

[rustic jacinth]

WTB pvp mmo

[shut fossil]

Discord pvp was the mmo

No longer we are all friends and depressed now

[rustic jacinth]

when cartel, polar, arua,purple all fucking agree one the same thing you know its fucked lol

[tropic valve]

United in hatred

[shut fossil]

Went back to darktide atleast my service to the god emperor won't be forgotten

[acoustic temple]

I know I did no new changes I thought what can I do to better my character either grind for 200+ hours for poss boss drops or mine rocks for 400+ hours for the hope that a econ change that was supposed to happen a month ago hits. Shits so bad rn im going to play dune of all things.

[rustic jacinth]

This entire dev team has been corrupted by chaos

[lean shuttle]

New class coming soon.

It’s got a dog

[vital sun]

New class coming soon.

Its gonna be dog.

[lean shuttle]

I mean for Darktide xD

[tropic valve]

*balanced

[shut fossil]

My man Tzeentch really be out here.

[rustic jacinth]

Steven is Tzeentch because the changes and decisions he makes is really fucking random and wild

[vestal needle]

Ashes is just giving me the opportunity to play the PoE league before p3

[tropic valve]

If I just didn't see that game's combat in testing

[shut fossil]

Whispering into Stevens ear, wouldn't it be really funny if gathering was ass. Oh and make everything else terrible too.

[acoustic temple]

U dont like that knife attacks litterly stun lock till you die?

[shut fossil]

Even Magnus did less wrong ( he did nothing wrong)

Thousand sons propaganda let's goo

[rustic jacinth]

tell players your going to update the game they are complaing about content

it be really funny if you removed the two forms of biggest content in the game atm.

[tropic valve]

You mean the one that is as fun as ashes rn with every patch making you wonder how people target patch fun out of the game? 🥲

[vestal needle]

I'm talking PoE1

PoE2 need another year of cook

I just want to get a HH and brain rot and hear dinks every few minutes

[tropic valve]

My bad the discontinued pile of garbage that hasn't gotten any love for half a year now and is still better than it's successor 🫡

[vestal needle]

It's getting a new league

[tropic valve]

Surely

[vestal needle]

It's not cope it's real brother

[shut fossil]

We need to test systems so let's make interacting with systems basically impossible, jack up crafting and gathering requirements to the moon. Oh and just nuke pvp out of the games currently most contested spots so we cannot see more big gatherings of pvp fights and see issues that arise because we have node sieges for that.

What do you mean people aren't doing node sieges they have a low barrier to entry and are not expensive.

[tropic valve]

I believe it when I drop a headhunter

[vestal needle]

Real

Give me too much loot for a league all I need

Need dopamine I'm in withdrawals b/c of this patch

[shut fossil]

Kinda insane poe2 and aoc went through similar shit with both economies getting shafted

[tropic valve]

Just give me harvest back man

[robust holly]

It’s insane to be they’ve lowered costs for everything else but sieges, which atm have 0 consequence, are still 1k

[vestal needle]

Harvest crafting was so good

explodey gear for everyone

[shut fossil]

It's so insanely backwards

[vestal needle]

Affliction was a banger

[shut fossil]

The barrier to entry for people to interact with the systems is insanely high.

And we paid for it
LITERALLY PAID FOR IT

[acoustic temple]

Idk pvp in general rn doesnt mean anything aside from rep

[shut fossil]

[latent grotto]

I kinda feel bad for all the people that were "farming their BiS" before they did PvP

[tropic valve]

Honestly even the first two weeks of Poe 2 with archmage spark

[latent grotto]

now there is no PvP

fucking RIP

at least I got to have some fun

[pine grail]

Thats me

[robust holly]

Yeah but this phase was pvp centric due to its shortness. So what’s the point now

[pine grail]

But got some pvp still

[shut fossil]

Jundark lawless was spectacular times man we will spend all of p3 talking about it like that 1 spongebob episode

[latent grotto]

RIP to the homies who never got to actually pvp in the Jundark

[robust holly]

At least tropic POIs are still lawless

[latent grotto]

It's 2 islands that are either empty or there's 10000 people on them

it's terrible

[leaden minnow]

Needs to be more outlaw zones, its actually fun

[tropic valve]

Real imagine the people not knowing how it was like contesting hwak tua bow and jumping down that hole 🥲

[robust holly]

I have a sneaking suspicion they’ll make the Crucible a proper lawless zone

[shut fossil]

Telling new players that we had a fully lawless zone with BIS items and fun terrain the mobs were a little fucked ( looking at you flowers) but it was our Jundark

[pine grail]

Everyone will spam about it in todays chat

[stark wolf]

chaotic idea nodes are lawless until they get to level 3 :p

[sudden flame]

https://tenor.com/view/hxh-hunter-x-hunter-2011-yoshihiro-togashi-gon-gif-16736441875297258786

[acoustic temple]

I hope they go over their vision for changes tomorrow. Do they want crafting to take months to craft a single lvl 20 gear? On the same page do they want killing a mount that is one shotable mean lossing 1-3 pieces of gear or 100-300 hours of grind? Questions questions

[vestal needle]

I still think PoIs should turn lawless if there is too many people in them

[tropic valve]

Wdym spitting at you for 2.5k damage

[shut fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/killua-zoldyck-gon-freecss-laugh-giggle-hunter-x-hunter-gif-16895370

[latent grotto]

You will never get to experience this...sorry to everyone who missed it...
https://youtube.com/shorts/f1IVzoAMm2s

[shut fossil]

Back to named farming coot

[robust holly]

Or just have certain parts of the day in which they become lawless, like archeage had

[acoustic temple]

Or give us arena

[shut fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/vaas-vaas-montenegro-far-cry3experience-unfunny-joke-gif-27333376

[sudden flame]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[glad abyss]

Release Classic ashes

[vestal needle]

"Contest other groups" Fucking how Steven

[glad abyss]

Any private servers?

[shut fossil]

Discord pvp

Of course

[robust holly]

As an aside I’m very glad they’re going back to proper showcases today. But yeah they gotta cook these next two months or p3 will be DOA

[rustic jacinth]

wouldnt mind this LMFAO

[glad abyss]

Be mean to them in chat

[shut fossil]

Just you cannot use salt channels for salt anymore

[tropic valve]

We already reached THAT stage?

[sudden flame]

classic ashes in 2052 gonna be lit

[rustic jacinth]

Ashes classic and the game aint even out yet

[latent grotto]

Ashes of Creation is about Risk vs. Reward except there's no risk because this is a fucking PvE game completely now lol

[robust holly]

You’re risking your sanity, and the reward is a named material for the 9th time in a row

[vestal needle]

Ashes P2 fresh NA+EU realm hit me with it Steven

[shut fossil]

Ashes unleashed unchained reborn phase 9.8.2.3²

[fathom geyser]

Go sleep.

[rustic jacinth]

Ashes unchained

[vestal needle]

I'd rather play OSRS than Ashes right now

[wild rune]

wtb AA pserver

[shut fossil]

Economy update in phase 10

[tropic valve]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

[robust holly]

About time, where’s my dilligence coins

[wild rune]

1.6% chance they give us anything tomorrow btw.

[rustic jacinth]

cant buy archeage private server

Believe me i tried, its gate keept by the russians

[fathom geyser]

anyone got shatter from Aura Sixty Nine's discord?

[tropic valve]

Coach said I need to go sleep so

[shut fossil]

They will give us words and the words will mean something in about 6 months

Gonna take a shot every time they say economy

[robust holly]

Make sure to call an ambulance before you start the stream

[rustic jacinth]

take a shot every time they make dumb ass decision and say its the way of devolpment LOL

[wild rune]

90% chance they talk about rmt/hackers for most of it

[shut fossil]

It was all the hackers fault of course

[acoustic temple]

Ive said it before but main spots for open world dungeons should be pvp zones (carphin tower, any part of forge past nurse, up the cliff of gravepeak ect)

[rustic jacinth]

bruh i thought it was going to be steven role playing and clicking buttons. then showing us a thing that will come in 3 years that players dont really care for lol

[shut fossil]

Development is a moving train it just so happens we are currently role-playing as a submarine.

[robust holly]

Idk about that, but periodic full pvp would be nice. All the time would lead to max levels camping there.

[rustic jacinth]

LMFAO

[glad abyss]

Summoner today???

[rustic jacinth]

were role playing on the titanic bro

[robust holly]

Technically yes lol

[shut fossil]

YOU HATE SUMMONER SHUT UP

[glad abyss]

SUMMONER OUT = MAGE REWORK U APE

[wild rune]

0% chance

[robust holly]

It’s not even summoner, it’s summoners pet system

[shut fossil]

Everything will be fine pay no attention to the fact bloomthorn blades sell for 300+ gold

[robust holly]

Assistant to the new class

[stark wolf]

u learn summone rthing in livestream though maybe :p

[shut fossil]

Inflation what inflation back to farming nameda

[glad abyss]

Omg Battle Pets are sooo korean mmo

[vestal needle]

All these percentages

[robust holly]

Yeah? What do you think this game is?

[rustic jacinth]

i dont even care about the econemy tons of good mmos actually majority of them have bad econemys but are still populated balancing the econ is a up hill battle.

getting rid of the content players are enjoying, Is a stupid ass decision however.

[vital sun]

Phase 2 had better:

• Enchanting
• LVL 10 Crafting
• Caravan PvP (lets be 100%, the water van pvp is giga boring)
• World Bosses
• Node wars
• Guild wars
• Crafting Costs
• Gold sinks

Phase 2.5:

• Jundark PvP ( )
• Tropics kinda good, need more love though.
• Gathering....?

[robust holly]

It’s just a Korean game made in SoCal

[glad abyss]

I mean true but still

[shut fossil]

Sir we are playing a Korean mmo wearing a cowboy outfit.

[vestal needle]

Phase 2.5 last week was better than Phase 2.5

[main otter]

Wonder if we'll get skins before crafting and gathering updates

[robust holly]

I’ll be watching that like I watched the cabbage beating out a PM

[rustic jacinth]

what pvp mmos are you guys doing? im thinking of going back to throne and liberty or playing apogea test run that goes live since i enjoyed its first alpha testing

[glad abyss]

Apogea looks cool

Planning on playing that shit

I Will never touch tnl again

[rustic jacinth]

its really good tbh and the pvp is really fun i love the skills you can make to create your own build

[glad abyss]

Also tnl Is rebranding to mobile game apparently

[latent grotto]

Phase 2.5 really wasn't that bad....I think if we could have gotten crafting online soonish it'd be good

[shut fossil]

Yea the economy can be kinda fucked if there's ways around it you can slog through yourself it makes it bearable but actually just removing jundarks pvp when it was alot of the shit keeping people playing and testing shit so they could you know pvp more in our PVX game is kinda wild

[latent grotto]

once people realize there's zero pvp content they're not gonna fuck with farming the gear

[rustic jacinth]

wasnt that bad untilll.... Nuking the only pvp content and gameplay loop people were doing LMFAO

[vital sun]

and do what instead

[main otter]

I bet new "testers" from p3 feel kinda bad if they didn't know what p2 was like.

[latent grotto]

Marvel Rivals

Ultron comes out...?

[stark wolf]

drive around with a wagon of coconuts and hoepe pvp comes to you i guess

[robust holly]

If named rotations are still here in p3 I’m just gonna not play, that shit ass

[shut fossil]

I can no longer watch shootman and lopata run 50 oozes into 40 fed in the mitigation cave.

:(

[vestal needle]

I'm still trying to figure out why we have wars with an 18 hour CD, 22g cost, and only 100 kill counts

[glad abyss]

No shot they send p3 in this state

[acoustic temple]

I would like to agree but crafting doesnt exist and the grind is litterly 5 to 10 times longer and you have less stats plus no gold sink so it cost like 2k gold to get bis items you know have many shifts at McDonald's that is? Or the fact that rmt is as rampant as it is.

[glad abyss]

Game Is in a horrible state

[rustic jacinth]

id rather play a mmo tbh so its either t and L or apogea test next week unless i find something from the shadows

i need pvp lol

[robust holly]

I fucking hope not but we’re 2 months away now

[warm swallow]

This is so cursed

[latent grotto]

something something the wiki...PvX game....corruption.....you guys have the ocean for pvp!

[shut fossil]

HIGHKEY the 18hr cd on war charges was the biggest femboy change they have ever done.

[robust holly]

I’m just doing helldivers, kinda feels MMO adjacent

[glad abyss]

I still believe that they are doing extreme changes Just for the sake of testing, and they rather do them in this meme phase than in actual p3.

[rustic jacinth]

dont like shooters and isnt helldivers pve

[warm swallow]

They ruined jundark 🥺 🥺

[vestal needle]

Like I get that dads hated the constant wars popping over their screen interrupting their tree chopping or whatever but did any of the people actually doing the wars care?

[robust holly]

We love the ocean with 0 content in

[robust holly]

maybe

[shut fossil]

I miss P1 man the endless wars on Lotharia were spectacular

[glad abyss]

Bring back endless wars and 4g war decks

[tropic valve]

Or the Braidwood wars on P2

[robust holly]

That’s what I feel, just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

[shut fossil]

Braidwood valley was fucking amazing

[glad abyss]

[warm swallow]

Can we spam twitch chat tomorrow to bring back lawless, it seems to work. Global got polar reset, twitch chat rolled back the servers start of p2

[glad abyss]

Bw Valley was intense

[vestal needle]

Free war decs
0 war CD
cannot drop guild while in war
winner gets 500k guild XP

GIVE ME MY BLOOD BATH

[shut fossil]

GUYS GET THE FUCK ONLINE WE GOT 10 BW SPAWNING IN 15 MINS

[warm swallow]

Big BW cluster 😈 😈

[shut fossil]

Everyone and their dog in braidwood valley waiting for the first flag or declare

[rustic jacinth]

i wish XD

[tropic valve]

Did you just summon Izzy?

[acoustic temple]

Agree 280 braidwood for a bow is def shit

[shut fossil]

Izzy mentioned mandatory post

[robust holly]

I can understand the loot table nerfs, the crafting changes literally nobody asked for.

[vestal needle]

I jsut miss P2 Firebrands. Boss dies I have fucking 9 war decs on the side of my screen

[vital sun]

old ttk

[tropic valve]

Deserved for playing rogue

[shut fossil]

Old ttk with freeze rogue sitting in stealth waiting for someone to step up

Freeze someone with death mark and summon your mage friend over

Izzy had fun in that round im sure

Got to cast 2 abilities

[sudden flame]

Someone got contested off their lego BW spawn and proceeded to post the spawn and timer in vyra channel that was a glorious night

[glad abyss]

These are the things that makes the game fun tho, creating friction between players

[sudden flame]

Bro, im just FKN BORED THERES NOTHING FUN TO DO

https://tenor.com/view/venom-scream-pain-gif-10034820162071346400

[heady pawn]

you can always start playing against the storm

elden ring

songs of syx

etc

skyrim with 3500 mods

[vital sun]

unironically downloading oblivion tonight

im tried of waiting for crafting fixes grandpa

[glad abyss]

Apogea play test in a week

[heady pawn]

arc raiders hopefully next week

[glad abyss]

Oooh that as well

[shut fossil]

found the bearforged alt account

[glad abyss]

I heard Is the best game ever

[shut fossil]

Arc raiders is basically sliced bread to bear

[heady pawn]

it's so fun

[latent grotto]

I wonder what other undocumented changes were made besides the rogue nerf

[rose olive]

shit server don't do it

[shut fossil]

what rogue nerf

[rose olive]

rmt whitelist for top guilds, admins happy to give handouts to top guilds, no bans for cheaters

[latent grotto]

it uhh...pretty big lol

[rose olive]

do tell

[latent grotto]

You won't be killing Clerics anymore

[shut fossil]

Oh

they nuked mana drain

[rose olive]

thank god

the most broken skill in the game

[shut fossil]

thank fuck

[latent grotto]

you were saying wound was better earlier in the phase

typical EU education system tbh

metric using pussies

[rose olive]

there is a strict disconnect between rogue players and rogue sufferers

[latent grotto]

lmao imagine nerfing mana drain then removing PvP from the game.

[shut fossil]

I mean wound was better when it was interacting with caltrops in a funny way

[latent grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-9962083141856335288

[rose olive]

true, no pvp to remove mana in anyway

[dusty pecan]

If you think mana drain was fine idk what to tell you

[rose olive]

all the gamerdads who were scared of lawless jundark will now surely leave joeva and set up camp in the jundies

[latent grotto]

Nah mana drain was too good especially relative to the other toxins

[shut fossil]

You could keep high wound stacks on any group super fucking easily

[rose olive]

like 80% of rogue's kit is "not fine" imo

same for bard though

[shut fossil]

Then they changed its interaction with caltrops

[rose olive]

just patently overpowered

[shut fossil]

so

back to wounding it is

[latent grotto]

Rogue is going to be hard to balance because the representation of the class is low AF

people don't bring them for large scale stuff

and most people just hard throw on Rogue lol

so like...people just complain about like 4 individual rogue players.

[glad abyss]

Good keep that shit niche

[latent grotto]

Going OOM is poop tho

[glad abyss]

Broken ass class

[warm swallow]

Less than 5 capable rogues on server

[glad abyss]

Get auto modded

[latent grotto]

lmao I SAW IT

I was quicker than the mod

[warm swallow]

Wtf my message

[shut fossil]

if you go oom as rogue you might be mentally deficient

[latent grotto]

uhhh you can definitely go OOM on rogue if you're using your skills?

[shut fossil]

Skills so cheap mana regen becomes an actual stat

Literally 1 refreshing follow through proc every now and then is more than enough

[latent grotto]

Do you run some mana regen? I've never tried that tbh.

[shut fossil]

god forbid these dog shit rogue players need to spec smth other than full unga bunga dmg

[shut fossil]

no lmao the stat is ass

[warm swallow]

8 seconds of magic damage miss + smoke bomb 🤪

[latent grotto]

I never ran refreshing followthrough but that's definitely something I'll consider now that I won't be draining 24/7

[shut fossil]

quod erat demonstrandum

[latent grotto]

Draining is still not bad but it's definitely not as much of a win condition. You aren't going to be beating clerics and bards with a brain now

[shut fossil]

yea nah you can still withering or wounding them out the game

the downwards pressure rogue has is still gonne hurt em

[latent grotto]

I mean in isolated 1v1...they're gonna live for sure

group pvp is different ofc

[warm swallow]

Rogue cc

Still exists

[shut fossil]

not found a cleric or bard i couldnt kill in a 1v1

zybak draining carried

[latent grotto]

it's different today haha

[glad abyss]

Rogue players theorycrafting like their class require any skill

[warm swallow]

Zybak only fights people with mobs already attacking them

[latent grotto]

Miru we gotta see your sick vods bro

monetize that skill!

[shut fossil]

i only started running draining the last couple days

just to go full aids

never did 1v1s with mana drain because i know how to play my class

[latent grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[shut fossil]

[latent grotto]

unless I see vods it's hard to believe anyone tbh

everyone is sick at the game that has no vods

[shut fossil]

chat

does he know

I think you saying you cannot kill bards or clerics without drain is much more of a self report tbh

Like no hate

[latent grotto]

I mean I kill Cartel Clerics but that doesn't count

[shut fossil]

[latent grotto]

I'm saying really good clerics

you aren't killing them

[shut fossil]

Gimme auras best cleric

[latent grotto]

maybe if you've got godly gear that's overtuned or something

but the high mit stuff is wild rn

[shut fossil]

brother thought he cooked with this one

he doesnt know

[warm swallow]

Mana drain is a crutch for shit rogues

[shut fossil]

^

[shut fossil]

so you can kill clerics

i also partake in double speak

[warm swallow]

Miruku you going to 1v1 my boy feaver

[latent grotto]

I'm open to learning. Post VODs.

I would love if more rogues posted gameplay

[shut fossil]

ye gimme a time and place

[latent grotto]

ya know

I have all these folks telling me how good they are but they never show me VODs...we live in the era of GPU recording...please help me!

[warm swallow]

You in tropics tn?

[shut fossil]

yea ill be around

[shut fossil]

Brother I literally 10-0d your best rogue

[warm swallow]

Idk if he's on but the bros will be floating around

[shut fossil]

what are you yapping about

[latent grotto]

I don't even know who our best rogue is?

[warm swallow]

I know who it isnt

[latent grotto]

who is our best rogue lol?

[shut fossil]

Chase isnt your best rogue?

[dusty pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/you-tell-'em-boss-egg-boiz-hazbin-hotel-let-them-have-it-amazon-studios-gif-17139999249693755150

[shut fossil]

[glad abyss]

He Is baiting u miruku he Just want to steal your shit

No vods

[shut fossil]

my bois get my vods

[latent grotto]

I'd love to learn from some VODs

[glad abyss]

U can apply for Cartel

[latent grotto]

how do I even know if Cartel is good if their members don't have VODs. The only experience I have with Cartel is ganking them

[shut fossil]

[patent junco]

Woke up to rogue discord PvP 🚀

[dusty pecan]

Pff Miruku can't post vods cause he can't talk shit if he does

[warm swallow]

🔒 VODS🔒

[dusty pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-shocked-seriously-omg-tremors3-gif-22329296

[glad abyss]

Our rogue class leader Is really chill

[shut fossil]

[latent grotto]

VODS reveal all!

[shut fossil]

Do i have to start 1v1ing all these yapping rogues man

[warm swallow]

You are the yapping rogue

[latent grotto]

Just start posting VODS so we can learn!

[warm swallow]

The yappiest of rogues

[shut fossil]

first feaver posts vids of him engaging with shadowstep doesnt use silence

[dusty pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/professional-yapper-star-wars-hunters-starwarshunters-star-wars-hunters-meme-meme-gif-9600813244381900712

[shut fossil]

and zybak now saying you cannot kill clerics without mana drain crutch and self reports he didnt think of running RF beforehand

spectacular NA meta

[dusty pecan]

i mean, he didnt need RF if he played drain tbf

[latent grotto]

There was literally not point to running RF with drain lol?

like wtf lmao

even with the nerf there still isn't

[shut fossil]

the fact you didnt think of running anything other than drain is just telling tbh

[latent grotto]

because it was the best option lol

it's a unique win condition no other class has

[shut fossil]

[warm swallow]

It was cheese dogshit that shit rogues relied on when their class is already geared towards 1v1

[glad abyss]

[patent junco]

Mana drain is only needed against bards and tanks because the fights last to long

[latent grotto]

Most fights never really came down to mana lol

[warm swallow]

Because they are half hp from the mobs they were killing when you jumped them 😄

[patent junco]

Especially a bard who runs

[latent grotto]

Mana Drain really only came into play against supports and most of the time not even then. Nowadays with the insanely high phys mit clerics it's pretty wild tho

[glad abyss]

Mana drain = your parents didnt like you

[shut fossil]

what is this double speak

says 1 thing 2 messages later says another

Shol has done unsustainable damage to my view of rogue players

[shut fossil]

Man I wonder which EU bard streamer runs the moment he takes 0.00001% of his hp as dmg

[vestal needle]

There are bards that don't instantly bolt away for a light breeze?

[latent grotto]

the bard W key is fucking powerful lol

[glad abyss]

[shut fossil]

🇷🇺

[vestal needle]

Fighting a bard or a rogue is just not worth it as soon as they think they're at disadvantage it's a hard reset

[latent grotto]

I can’t even catch a Bard on my mount 😭

[heady pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-hello-hey-wave-gif-16348067804490251412

[dusty pecan]

When was the last time you launched the game ?

[vestal needle]

I still hate whoever decided rogue stealth needs 5% HP to break

Have a bleed on a rogue as I'm wildly swinging into an open field watching him 8 yards ahead of me in stealth

[heady pawn]

Few months ago I think

[glad abyss]

Yeah thats horrible honestly

[glad abyss]

When the game was good

[heady pawn]

it had problems, but it was good for awhile

[vestal needle]

Rogue gets added
Game gets worse

[heady pawn]

surely p3 will fix it

and it's time to lock in

[shut fossil]

luckily all but 3 rogue players legit have 0 hands

[vestal needle]

P3 they're going to test gold sink by making all crafting cost 1g and nerf commodity values by 80% at the same time. Econ team will fix it by end of the week

[frigid warren]

Its so funny because ive seen legitimately great rogue gameplay from one person and that's all i had experience with rogue so like. Greatness is possible. Ya just gotta... get gud. 😎

[latent grotto]

Who’d you watch?

[frigid warren]

Oh no, they're in my guild. But dang, that dude just cannot die. It's a sight to behold.

[shut fossil]

🎣

[frigid warren]

I'm not giving them away because who know, maybe they want to stay secret. Doing rogue things.

[shut fossil]

🎣

[frigid warren]

Yes, i like fishing too

[latent grotto]

Rogue is actually a fun class to watch other people’s playstyle on

[frigid warren]

It is interesting. I'll probably try to replicate the guy's style, but tbf, he has a good internet connection so some of his abilities just work consistently

[latent grotto]

Some people go more cc prio…all in damage…Ruthless milkers like myself

It’s a cool ass class for sure.

[frigid warren]

First, i have to master tank. Then rogue. Then uh... probably summoner by the time I'm done woth those two

[raven vessel]

fun sure. It also requires so much "SHkill" to play, after all you only have stealth, mobility, dps, self-heal, multiple CCs, CC breaks, shitloads of evasion and mana-drain. It's barely anything if you compare this to other classes. The most fun class which should never existed.

[patent junco]

Replace Rogue with Bard and change Stealth to Shield… same shit people said before Rogue

[latent grotto]

And still nobody wants them for large scale damn

[raven vessel]

great class design isn't it? That would be the second class "banned" in large scale

[patent junco]

Rogue is very good large scale in the right hands. A bot in the wrong hands

[latent grotto]

Rogue is Spider-Man from Marvel Rivals. People complain about him in the same ways.

[frigid warren]

...well now you have me imagining people competitively banning the tank class in skirmishes and that's making me giggle

[glad abyss]

I mean fighter Is Just dogshit, a good rogue can be effective even in large scale

[rose olive]

rogue players thinking their class is skill intensive and isn't braindead

[latent grotto]

A lot of melees just rolled rangers it seems which is big sad.

[frigid warren]

Have you leveled a rogue? Earnest q.

[shut fossil]

rogue has a place in large scale

[rose olive]

it's not even half as bad as leveling a ranger

[shut fossil]

you just want to be very strict with how many you field

in a siege id say no more than 5 hard cap

[glad abyss]

A lot of mages are rolling ranger as well

[warm swallow]

And who you let play it

Ranger looks so fun

[dusty pecan]

Traitors

[latent grotto]

Rogue has a few unique value adds with expose but man…it’s hard to beat the value of just having another cleric or bard.

[shut fossil]

The fact I won the EU 8V8 tourney after only playing the class 3 days let me play it :)

[frigid warren]

sideyes mage character i'm going to reroll as rogue

[glad abyss]

Real

[sudden flame]

What got changed on mana drain

[latent grotto]

50% nerf

[dusty pecan]

It's weak sauce now apparently

[latent grotto]

Undocumented change ofc. God knows what else changed lol.

[sudden flame]

Stealth nerf this patch or the changes that happened already ?

Kek

[latent grotto]

People are thinking other things changed too

[frigid warren]

But... brother how can i brag about how skillful a rogue i am with no rogue?

[sudden flame]

Yeah I mean who’s mana you gonna drain. We got a 10x10 area that’s PvP now

[latent grotto]

They nerfed mana drain right in time to remove PvP from the game.

[shut fossil]

i might be gaslighting myself but im very certain they changed stabs multiplier

might be 9am brain talking tho

[latent grotto]

Someone else was saying this to me too.

[sudden flame]

I wanna see rogue POV from siege tbh

[frigid warren]

Didn't they say they altered something in the patchnotes? I swear they mentioned it

[latent grotto]

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if something broke lol

[shut fossil]

im like very very certain it used to be 150% on both adv and none adv buffed hits

[sudden flame]

Death mark got changed to how it should’ve been in first place

[frigid warren]

I actually noticed my dmg (cleric, wand) go way up

[latent grotto]

UNDOCUMENTED CHANGES ARE FUN!

[raven vessel]

I dont think even bard was that busted. Shield isnt great now, as it scales from power, nor its stealth. Bard evasion doesnt hit rogue levels, and bard doesnt draina mana. I just dont get how classes like bard and rogue get signed off, and then we have such one dimensional classes like rogue, tank or cleric in the game.

[frigid warren]

... mainly because i think my extended finishers are proccing way more, noticably more. But only if their animations don't get interupted

Iw as actually testing that earlier today

[dusty pecan]

If they nerfed rogue that change my stance on the patch, i believe it's actually good now

[glad abyss]

Sir let me introduce u to nimble dance

[shut fossil]

Aslong as i can do my stretch kicks im happy

[sudden flame]

Silence book nerd, dance team is talking

[glad abyss]

[latent grotto]

Rogue nerfs don’t even matter…why…so you can farm PvE slower?

[shut fossil]

Implying ADO can read is massive reach

[latent grotto]

This isn’t a game with pvp anymore

So the rogues won tbh.

[frigid warren]

Here's a tip for the late night na's: cleric, wand. Does way more dmg when you kite then when you stand still. consistently.

[sudden flame]

Ado is my 2nd favorite cartel member. Ornj is 1st

[frigid warren]

Now i sleep.

[shut fossil]

[glad abyss]

thats crazy

[sudden flame]

One is my least favorite cause he gripped me into zombies day 3 of carphin and I lost an invoker gem

Most terroristic act ever

[glad abyss]

oneup

[shut fossil]

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/kcwu5ZQ9b6zmpLFCT?invite=cr-MSxyWTYsMzgyNzA1Nzkw

[latent grotto]

You guys excited for the stream?

[shut fossil]

Oneup is good at gripping shit into people

[glad abyss]

pet combat system

[sudden flame]

I’m excited to be shown content we already have

[fluid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/head-shake-danny-devito-no-disagree-nope-gif-17223917

[glad abyss]

literally no one asked for it but

[latent grotto]

We’re all going to be civilized talking about the Jundark changes right?

[shut fossil]

[glad abyss]

im just gonna spam "!"

[sudden flame]

Remember what the devs took from us never forget the beauty of lawless zones

[frigid warren]

I dont think any pvper knows that word, civil.

[latent grotto]

I’m about to go full fucking Narc…PVP ISNT REAL….and I wouldn’t be lying….

[sudden flame]

You’re #1 EU Loremaster