alpha-two-shol-us

[hexed needle]

[sudden marsh]

Dm me the message link and ill get it handled

[whole saffron]

its the usual, they cant win in game so they try to win on discord

[dusty pecan]

well anyway he deleted the 3.8k clip, im sadge

[robust holly]

It's been hilarious TM posting here about the siege win, and everybody ignoring him

[sudden marsh]

Taking it too far.. dont call people disabled

[inner bluff]

if they cant do basic math does that not fall under some disability tho ?

[lapis sable]

going to try to find ado's

malunoo once hit also a 3k powershot

[patent junco]

TTK fix when?

[robust holly]

2 months ago

[raven vessel]

I ain't playing in this "phase" but from what I have seen the game is still a client side slide show for those without monster hardware, and the server tech is nowhere close to handle those numbers too. Lets some Intrepid can improve at least the server side of this problem...

[manic crystal]

Nah hes baiting

Hard baiting.

[hexed needle]

dude you're endless

[robust holly]

ofc he is

[manic crystal]

Frustrated because stayed awake for the siege

[noble elk]

Simply victims of the American education system...... If anything you should pity them not mock them. I support the 100% discount.

[wild rune]

Now fr going to bed ❤️ stay pissed eu. Also get out of my city now

[robust holly]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-then-always-allowed-rick-gif-27368831

[wild rune]

@sudden marsh

[raven vessel]

we love you 'Merica. Go sleep on those tarrifs

[sudden marsh]

[ruby igloo]

WTB 3x striders and 1 tidesnapper

[robust holly]

I don't have monster hardware and I've had few issues. I didn't do siege yesterday tho

seems to effect everyone differently

[raven vessel]

I know people who in large scale run the game at 20 fps. Not the greatest experience, unless you are into 1920's cinematography.

[robust holly]

ah yeah I havn't done much large scale tbf

[vapid parcel]

i only scrolled back to some of Flankers live stream moments of the siege to see the EU perspective, seemed like a ragtag bunch (lots of different guilds) and outnumbered 2-1. saw ghost players phase in and out on his screen during siege and performance seemed pretty horrid. He never got any siege notifications on his screen it just bugged him out unable to move, relogged and siege was over.

[robust holly]

Flankers streamed it???

[vapid parcel]

he did

[robust holly]

asking to be streamsniped

[patent junco]

I have monster hardware and certain SW’s are cancer

[lapis sable]

streamsniped during a siege is a bold statement

[raven vessel]

that's where the issues really show. Here hoping for that "dynamic gridding" tech to really take off in Sept

[lapis sable]

[noble elk]

Several ppl streamed it on both sides

[robust holly]

there's one SW in SB that gives me issues

[lean shuttle]

Cant stream snipe if you cant play the game due to how bad the fps is

[dusty pecan]

With monster hardware you can see the server struggle, with normal hardware you can play a slideshow

[robust holly]

the bottom right one

[patent junco]

I’m pretty done with large scale until they get DG in

[patent junco]

Ye SB is the worst SW for sure

[lean shuttle]

Role playing game, our role is the victim.

[raven vessel]

I get that. Even during the end of P2 raid pvp event I could see some issues, and my rig is far from bad.

[dusty pecan]

I suffer so that when the game release other don't have to

[robust holly]

surprised it was so bad yesterday, the siege tests on lotharia weren't great but they were playable at least

[lean shuttle]

Shall we call you Jesus?

[dusty pecan]

yep i suffered for your gaming

[dusty pecan]

Yep nothing

[lean shuttle]

Mage nerf please thanks

[raven vessel]

does anyone have any decent footage of that siege?

[lapis sable]

everyone is like "what is that damage"

meanwhile shotcall "swallow, swallow, swallow"

[glad abyss]

[patent junco]

When I did some testing, there are much larger latency spikes to the NA servers. In general it’s not too bad but when you combine the latency spikes, with the overloaded server workers you get the shit show and rubber banding and it’s unplayable

[lean shuttle]

Tariffs affecting the servers.

Get hit with that 137% increase in ping

[glad abyss]

This Is not what my usual chain light looks like

[lapis sable]

@dusty pecan maybe the bard fire saga

[dusty pecan]

It should only be attack speed buff when you hit target but idk how that shit works so maybe

[lapis sable]

wut

[patent junco]

God damn tariffs. Got extra tariffs on rogue ☠️

[dusty pecan]

yep read it

[lean shuttle]

There’s probably a lot of factors, double conflict menacing song + fortissimo is the beginning. That’s a good 9% Power and 40% dmg increase already.

And then volatile having some funky interactions probably contributed

[lapis sable]

what atk speed buff

[patent junco]

I use one smoke bomb, it appears a couple of seconds later and 2 charges are gone. Gege

[dusty pecan]

the debuff of fire saga says if you hit the target affected by that debuff you get AS buff

unless im wrong

[patent junco]

Rogue tax

[lean shuttle]

That’s what happens when you order your smoke bombs from Temu

[lapis sable]

nah, it is impossible to hit 2k chain light. I was trying to justify it

[dusty pecan]

but i don't think so

[lapis sable]

[dusty pecan]

yep

alacrity and that

[lapis sable]

I meant the additive damage that gets added with fire saga

[lean shuttle]

I still advocate for mage nerfs.

And rogue nerfs

In fact, nerf everything that’s not a bard. Thanks

[lusty stream]

did tm really just type "stay mad" after crying about 2.5k crits?

[dusty pecan]

it shouldnt show directly on his shit tho

should be other number on the side no ?

[robust holly]

do you expect anything less?

[lapis sable]

yes, but maybe there is a buggy interaction

should check it

if only tmx did not delete his clip

[glad abyss]

He deleted the 4k snipe?

[dusty pecan]

he fs didnt have fire saga on his target

but he had something that look like exposed

can"t confirm tho

[dusty pecan]

yah for some reason

[glad abyss]

[dusty pecan]

I need to find out about that mage tech tho

want to do 3k chain ligthning

[lean shuttle]

I hope you never find out

[lapis sable]

yea honestly no idea, I have reported the bug already in P2

[dusty pecan]

[lapis sable]

it happened with the TTK change

[glad abyss]

Its really not a tech

[lapis sable]

But i have never been able to reproduce the high numbers

[dusty pecan]

i got a 3k crit on a lightning ball tick once

yeah that's a mystery to me

[glad abyss]

I have no clue what happened, we tried to replicate It but never worked

[sudden flame]

All my homies hate mana drain poison

[dusty pecan]

make sense shit aids

[glad abyss]

This Is a conflag btw

[lean shuttle]

In the tropics, there was an instance where I crit someone with a bard longbow for 1.8k and 1.3k (resonance)

I’ve never been able to hit anything even remotely close. I need to start recording.

It happens when my screen froze for like a microsecond I dunno.

[glad abyss]

Sadly i dont have the clip

[sudden flame]

Me leveling rogue: ayo this shits gonna be fun in PvP

Me gets mana drained: ayo this shits aids in PvP

[lean shuttle]

I hope summoner gets mass dispel and fucks with rogue lol

[patent junco]

Buff rogue

[sudden flame]

I just want nimble to purge that shit or at least more than 1 stack a tick

[lapis sable]

We have Jamal saying that mana drain is an extra layer of skill expression

[lean shuttle]

Expressing what? Frustration?

[sudden flame]

I uppied in an Oneuproad yoinked me outta the air like a mad fisherman getting their first bite

[lapis sable]

sounds like my 9:20 moment in the video

[dusty pecan]

So coot while you here, you think uppies is real strat or pure troll ?

[glad abyss]

Classic jamal delusional take

[dusty pecan]

He plays Mage

[sudden flame]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[dusty pecan]

how tf does he think that

[glad abyss]

He doesnt play mage

He plays tank on hit mage

[lean shuttle]

This ain’t league WTF

[glad abyss]

It Is for him

[lean shuttle]

On hit Soraka

[sudden flame]

Watching Lit hit that random ass 4K auto on the cleric “TTK IS BACK BOYS”

[hexed needle]

was something special!

[glad abyss]

Bro i Just watched our cleric die from 70% hp

It was insane

[lapis sable]

it was more than 4k btw

[sudden flame]

“Swapping cleri- dead”

[lapis sable]

I got 800ish damage from protect

[glad abyss]

Lit actual giga gamer

[lapis sable]

so add +30% on that 4k

[glad abyss]

Cartel Is recruiting btw

[sacred orchid]

clearly cheating

ur donezo kid

[glad abyss]

Nooo my account

[sudden flame]

Rogues a lot more impactful than people think in small scale. I had fun in the scrims even with the outcome cause it helped us learn

[hexed needle]

was fun dude!

[lapis sable]

Lesson one, stop trolling with uppies

[sudden flame]

Wasn’t my call

[tribal solstice]

What is "uppies" ? Antigrav?

[dusty pecan]

yep

[lapis sable]

I see the merit in it in large scale honestly

[glad abyss]

Yeah i feel like na in general loves antigrav way too much

[tribal solstice]

Don't even skill that on my bard...

(Joking)

[glad abyss]

Its a good spell, its Just very situational

[tribal solstice]

If I say what I skilled and didn't skill, Oneup will tear me apart

[sudden flame]

Think it was used like 3 times total in our previous tourney. Smaller the scale the worse it is

[lapis sable]

if anything, I think the skill should be dumped down a bit

the gravity part

[sudden flame]

A lot of stuff I despise about the bard kit that I want worked on but Ik people will scream Bucky class Bucky class

[glad abyss]

I mean i personally think Bard Is a great class, bucky really cooked with that

[dusty pecan]

let's make the other class better then we can talk about tweaking the OP classes

[glad abyss]

Other classes are Just not on the same level tho

[lapis sable]

btw, i need to post a clip of Stanis

[robust holly]

Bard has some amazingly cool skills. Gambit, uppies, sagas etc

[hexed needle]

Prefer old TTK bard

[sudden flame]

It’s best made class I just wish songs were baseline and the order of masks gives me cancer sometimes when I’m asked to hot swap to a different saga in large scale

[glad abyss]

Stfu

[hexed needle]

I wanna oneshot a tank that has 8k hp dude

[robust holly]

not to mention all the je ne sais quoi you could want from a bard class

[sudden flame]

Also wish song weaving (counterpoint) was baseline or made better. Fits the bard more to weave songs imo than just sit in one

[lapis sable]

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/kmpsIA1RmQNrpQrft?invite=cr-MSxvdFgsNDAzMjQyMDc3

at like 14 seconds, he uses nimble it gets interrupted by NOTHING. Then his nimble cooldown refreshes????? after like 3 seconds

literally costed cleric's life

lol

[glad abyss]

Clearly Polar exploiting i would say

[lapis sable]

[hexed needle]

We already have enough todo!!!! let me keep with only one song 😢

[glad abyss]

Bro wants to play 3buttons mmos like nw

[sudden flame]

Let counterpoint use two resonate weapons but slightly weaker

[lapis sable]

ngl this was my biggest disappointment once I hit lv13 on bard for first time

[manic crystal]

Lightning reload needs to refresh vine field

[modest inlet]

Tank buffed yet? Rework hit yet?

[glad abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/tf-3-smack-slap-face-slap-gif-1292010994896831756

[hexed needle]

Tank is already OP

played correctly

[modest inlet]

Sure

Bus is it fun?

Did you see a rise in the amount of tanks while playing?

[hexed needle]

Ummm no idea tbf, need to ask @lapis sable

[sudden flame]

Is it fun being the gorilla in the 1v100

[modest inlet]

Disregarding the fact that 2 regions are combined now

[modest inlet]

Not so much a gorilla as like..

An "annoying" thorn lol really

[glad abyss]

more than annoying i would say

when a tank really focuses ur ass its unplayable

at least as a mage

[sudden flame]

Tanks are just better fighters

[glad abyss]

actually true

[sudden flame]

I’d rather fight a god rogue than a great tank in a 1v1 tbh. At least rogue will end it early if possible. Tanks just gonna take his time with you and give you PTSD

https://tenor.com/view/meme-spiderman-movie-tobey-maguire-macho-man-gif-22912066

[glad abyss]

perma crit pulverize

[manic crystal]

What? you cant be vined twice.

[glad abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[dusty pecan]

why not ?

[lapis sable]

wdym, you can

root even ignores slow/chill etc immunity, great idea

[manic crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[lapis sable]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-pet-detective-jim-carrey-comedy-duh-gif-3472967

[dusty pecan]

it does have a immunity it shares with frozen but it's rarely triggered

[lapis sable]

idk, we literally rooted widah for like 10 seconds during internal scrims

[glad abyss]

rangers can freeze from 40 meters and mage needs to go melee

[somber island]

!cs

[zenith onyx]

Include more keywords after this command to search for answers to some of our FAQ (ex. !cs password reset), or open a Customer Support ticket directly here if you are having account or technical issues: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[dusty pecan]

You Can freeze from 35m, it's just one target

[glad abyss]

yeah might need to nerf that

feels kinda overtuned

[humble spoke]

Been away from the game for months, a friend let me know there is some shit going on. Scroll through the chat to see

RMT, exploiting, some sort of speed hack shit and a but of people complaining some guilds have special treatment, what happened to this game 🤣🤣

[vapid parcel]

welcome back!

[humble spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/world-star-hey-girl-hey-there-when-you-see-your-crush-feeling-yourself-gif-17342720284322419374

[lusty stream]

wdym what happened, its been the same since p1

[vapid parcel]

i mean apart form speed hack, nothing really changed then in those few months

same shyt different phase

[humble spoke]

That doesnt sound good not going to lie 😆

Suppose to be like this is improved that's improved, but still this issue.

Not the its the same after half a year 😆

[vapid parcel]

well, one of the moodkillers for me was the one time AoC did publish punishment numbers, a certain guild who'm shall not be named mass pinged Steven from the discord here, Steven rolled back and there was never any numbers published since or w/e was rolled back on the punishments.

It was overall just not a good look.

the community didn;t change, lot got added to the game. I have logged in like twice this phase.

[humble spoke]

Is it as bad as the speed glitch from alpha 1 or do you not know that one

[vapid parcel]

not a clue

[stray idol]

It's not a glitch this time

It's a software

It has attackspeed hack aswell

[vapid parcel]

i feel like that should both be easy to detect though, they are probably just accumilitaing data and trying to figure out how they did it.

[humble spoke]

Well thats why I dipped months ago because EU realm basically got ignored by those punishments

[vapid parcel]

well besides RIP walmart lover, noone has exact numbers or names who got punished on NA either.

[humble spoke]

So by the sounds of it, it's went backwards currently.

I have watched a few videos today which aren't a good look

[humble spoke]

Well i don't think numbers matter because no one actually got perma banned did them? And I heard people just have second account for when they do

[vapid parcel]

i mean, apparantly Enveus imploded and got absorbed and some reformed under a different name. Wether you see that as a good or bad thing is up to you

[vapid parcel]

like i said, RIP Walmartlover XD

[quaint fractal]

ranger root needs target cap asap. 1 ranger should not be able to root 100+ people funneling through a choke

[humble spoke]

Meh, still same people playing can have whatever name they like so doesnt really matter.

Although I've only ever I countered enveus pre alpha 2 testing and it was the most cancer testing session I've ever joined 😆

[humble spoke]

It's still like that? I remember that happening Christmas in a big war and was like why am I stuck, then realised 😆

[quaint fractal]

yeah atleast it DR's with other ranger roots but man the whole pvp game revolving around 1 ranger ability is pretty boring

the only coms that exist in large scale is "mass group rooted in the middle"

[glad abyss]

i call my fireballs

[quaint fractal]

mages blink in !

https://tenor.com/view/go-go-go-toby-stephens-bill-beaman-hunter-killer-move-gif-18343775

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/kmtTXX6A5-i_VkZMT?invite=cr-MSx0amssMjk2MzkwMjQy

bring back prismatic beam doing 6k total dmg. this 250dmg stuff doesn't move the needle steven

[ruby igloo]

It’s so bright during the day cycle playing on low blue monitor mode and still brigt idk

Head fucking hurts from this shit

[inner bluff]

surely someone in this discord has a Rividium Longbow Uncom + to sell...

[proper vortex]

40 willow to make one apprentice mining bag WTF lol

[humble spoke]

I dont think you should be surprised by any of the crafting in this game at this point

[hollow kettle]

ive played alot of pvp games with sieging. This might have been the lamest/underwhelming siege i have ever seen.

[dusty pecan]

im not gonna say it

[humble spoke]

The player perspective of ashes has really declined from what i can see.

Months ago if you said anything bad about the game you'd be slated saying it's a alpha.

I come back and everyone hating on everything 😆

[proper vortex]

Yeah for sure, and I get that wep and and armor crafting is insane, but why put a gathering funnel around the crafting bags, just stupid

[robust holly]

in fairness most of the siege stuff isn't in yet

[dusty pecan]

blinking in without using instant spell

[robust holly]

there's 0 consequences to losing, 0 gain for winning

[dusty pecan]

[hollow kettle]

i mean am i wrong? people are sliding around skipping animations and it looks like there is little room for skill expression cause its a complete slide show.

[proper vortex]

Well when last phase you can buy those bags from a vendor for 11 silver, and now it takes 40 willow and at least that for giant bluebell ,akes you want to bang your head against the wall

[robust holly]

pretty much, this phase has not been great for public peception

[humble spoke]

Oh I didn't say you're wrong.

[humble spoke]

Yeah but it's not new people I see, it's people I recognise saying it 😅 only stopping in to see how things are.

[humble spoke]

I think the whole of phase 2 has been a shit show,

I left after the Christmas shit show

[hollow kettle]

do we have dynamic contested resources yet?

[humble spoke]

Which people seem to still be bringing up even now about bans

[robust holly]

hmm nah, Phase 2 was a net positive i think

So much added despite the initial 2 weeks being batshit crazy

[glad abyss]

p2 was just p1 on steroids

[hollow kettle]

ngl ships was the best thing added. jump on boat with the boys hoping islands jump off pvp kill bosses and repeat.

[torpid hill]

game was barely playable in P1

P2 was a huge net positive

[hollow kettle]

yea they are just abit behind on some things but its def getting better and better. Would love to hear about whats going on with dynamic server meshing and if its being tested on ptr

[glad abyss]

ships are pretty fun yeah

[torpid hill]

it's not being tested on PTR

you can always ask about PTR because it's only under visual NDA, so we can talk about it freely

[hollow kettle]

is dynamic gridding on ptr?

[glad abyss]

nope

[torpid hill]

nope, i just said that above

[hollow kettle]

lol mb

[raven monolith]

With the apparent progress they have made in the last month, they would need to delay the p3 launch by another couple of months if they want to include all the promised features

[rustic cloak]

we will get p2.75 in august and u will like it

[hollow kettle]

honestly i wouldnt mind another 3 month delay

[raven monolith]

The only real thing they have released is some incredibly bland and procedurally generated looking new zones

[rustic cloak]

p3 will be delayed to december

[torpid hill]

I don't mind it either.
I assume they want to make the P3 launch big

we'll probably get a trailer as well like we did for Alpha 1

[hollow kettle]

they have so much more work that needs to be done. anti cheat rmt and etc

[raven monolith]

Honestly I wouldn't mind a delay either. I can't take another level and skills grind only to keep playing the same game I have been playing since P1.

[humble spoke]

Then don't play and take a break, best choice i made

[willow crest]

This right here is good advise, Havent played since February couldnt be happier, THOUGH I do miss me some ashes, but I rather come back when the game has something more to offer than mindless grind and horribly laggy pvp

[robust holly]

100%, I would advise buying in until p3 actually hits

[pearl osprey]

$er 8

[willow crest]

I think people have been kinda getting hung a bit on the details of the new stuff they released like the desert and Jungle biomes

for me my real worry is how slow the real important changes have been like the leveling experience, questing, etc so I just sit and wait until we got a little more meat to the skeleton we started on

[robust holly]

for me levelling experience and questing have been better this phase

whilst gear is a pain in the arse, its very nice having 3 new zones of pockets

[willow crest]

I havent touched it since early phase 2

but for me I just hope they make viable options to level up properly without needing to group up every single time

its fun joining groups but sometimes you only have like 30m or 1h and you dont wanna spend it sitting in chat looking for group

this was by far by biggest offender in the game

most systems in game like caravans, grouping etc, just felt like it always had to be a lenghty envolved processes

with lots of planning and little reward

Like its an alpha after all, and its normal for things to be incomplete, but the base loop gameplay needs to be fun and not a chore

[robust holly]

they did significantly increase artisan xp, so I'm hoping that becomes a semi viable way to level

[willow crest]

that is a great change then

[robust holly]

and the new necklace quest is good

[willow crest]

like i never saw any reason why gathering stuff shouldnt give good xp

Honestly a lot of things in the alpha felt like they were just there to increase the playtime of each person

which is fine the 1 time around for testing purposes

but after 2 phase, then 2.5 phase etc

theres very little point in insisting in a crazy 100h leveling experience

[humble spoke]

I dont count mindless grinding as leveling experience and is just ass to play, I want questing real questing

[willow crest]

I managed to convince a friend to join on phase 2, he did a ranger and we played some together and it was fun, but he wasnt a fan of group grinding day and night specially as a ranger where people where shunning him away in favor of mage and warrior dps

[robust holly]

tbh mindless grinding with mates I'll never get bored of

[humble spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/asleep-at-keyboard-typing-asleep-at-work-asleep-at-desk-asleep-on-the-job-gif-21166689

[willow crest]

unless the leveling experience gets better and more stuff to do i will never manage to get him back to playing

[humble spoke]

Real footage of me after my 4th character over the months

[robust holly]

I think FTUE is something they are emphasising for p3 launch

[humble spoke]

Yeah this needs to change, grinding can be there if they want but there needs to be actually engaging pve gameplay loops

[willow crest]

Honestly I aint so sure, like, i been here since 1 day in phase 1, I remember when the " server grid tech" was gona arrive before phase 2

I love how transparent they have been, but its clear things havent gone their way

and everything is pretty delayed

[humble spoke]

😆 that was suppose to be in pre alpha even before P1

I am in pre alpha and PTR. They turned it out for like 1 test and didn't work and it's been gone since

[robust holly]

true, but in fairness back of day1 of phase 1, they said they weren't going to prioritise FTUE until around p3

[humble spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/next-later-to-be-continued-gif-12519719289771356987

This is ashes for me

[raven vessel]

Promises, hopes and dreams vs the reality 😄 The game has still lot of potential. It is hindered by the game's performance in large scale and the apparent insistence on making progression as time consuming & dull as possible.

[willow crest]

yes, but alpha 3 was also somewhat supposed to last what? around 1 year? 2, and there is no way in hell that will hold

this game is fun, but needs cooking

[humble spoke]

Is the render distance still scaled down in areas where there are high player numbers?

[raven vessel]

yeah, this isnt going anyway, unless dynamic gridding actually works

[willow crest]

1 thing I dont understand, and I actually asked steven in one of his live streams to which he answered

is why make the scope of the game so big from day 1, and not start slighter smaller

like 1 continent and then bring more content with the patches

[raven vessel]

a rookie mistake

[willow crest]

and just focus on perfecting thing

on that 1 starting continent

[hexed needle]

Any "Cats with Abs" members here? Looking for your discord to join as Cartel diplomat (I wanna organise some scrims)

[willow crest]

he did answer, he said that the vision he had for the game, he prefered to have it all and take longer to develop than to compromise on the vision

[humble spoke]

The scope isn't the problem for me it's the lack of thinking how systems and stuff interact in reality,

They're trying to balance a game with half of the systems and will have to problem balance the game again on every system they add it because it changes the other.

[willow crest]

and this sounds good, until you run out of money lolol

[willow crest]

Nah, I am fine with all the systems etc being implemented, i Just mean they could try to focus in 1 starting continent

then release the 2 one with more time

instead of being working in 2 giganting maps full of diferent biomes

and just having to rush things out

[humble spoke]

Oh most definitely, riverlands should be the most Polished thing in existence

[robust holly]

idk, I still think p3 will be 1-2 years

[humble spoke]

Make the game work on riverlands scale and then add region by region i was for that day one

[willow crest]

i think phase 3 will come in time

and people will just be disapointing on how phase 3 is just phase 2.5 with a new name

and barely any new content

its gona be the release of phase 2 all over again lolol

[robust holly]

oh yeah I agree with this. Can't add stuff onto unstable foundations

[humble spoke]

I think P3 will be 3-5 years imo

And my prediction is still game will launch with massive numbers because new mmo and drop off unless alot changes from the direction it's in

[robust holly]

most likely but let me cope

they have added a decent amount of stuff the last 2 months

[willow crest]

yup, I think the game has had good progress

Honestly what I think the game truly lacks

is more casual content

[robust holly]

yeah

[willow crest]

for example 1 thing i think game really really lacks

and shouldnt be to hard

is the mules

which is basicly a caravan system for 1 player without groups

everything in the game atm is made around group content and everything is highly penalizing

[humble spoke]

I just don't understand the push for the 10k concurrent players in small area.

Like you know there is what 18 regions and they want 10k concurrent. So roughly less that 600 per region.

So make riverlands polished clean and with fleshed out quests will like 1000 people in mind.

Then once all that system works and functions, making the other regions should literally be a copy how they did in riverlands and continue around the whole map

[amber summit]

Thats hard to do dont you think, expecially on the player pop / gathering part.

[humble spoke]

They control the player population.

They are pushing for the 10k players

[amber summit]

Als nodes and vassal nodes wont work in riverlands only

[willow crest]

I think that is already the plan, everything in this game is gona be somewhat copy paste

and this game truly doesnt work with high player density in small areas

because it just becomes a grindfest thats impossible to escape

[humble spoke]

I ment code copy.

They can build new regions and quests but off the blueprint of a completed riverlands

Because not going to lie 10k concurrent for the map size goal is tiny, world is going to feel so empty.

[amber summit]

True, what about the caraval system? I get your point but only the riverlands is to small imo

[willow crest]

It feels a bit like they are trying to reinvent the wheel in stuff that shouldnt have been touched

when it comes to different mmos

I still dont understand why they didnt copy the archeage caravan models

when they are so much more fun than what they currently have

[humble spoke]

Yes but whole caravan system on every region added will need rebalancing.

It's one of them you won't work until it's all there.

Just limit the region to the numbers you desire per region and build it and then expand off of it

[amber summit]

Yeah i mean caraval, as in ships. But then it would be riverlands + tropics

[humble spoke]

Finish the riverlands then do the ships.

And when I mean finish that includes all the quests everything, ships can wait.

Finish a region 90-100% and then move on, they can make the new one in the background.

But the current approach they might as well make all regions at 20% then build the game and every single bug and fix they then need to go through every single region and fix.

It's just slow, and slow method of building

Riverlands should be the blueprint

And you can build something off a uncompleted blueprint

[amber summit]

Agree, the missing POIs, resources and recipes in the other zones makes them almost not worth while atm

[willow crest]

Honestly, I dont understand why is questing taking so long to get right

[buoyant apex]

cause its not a focus right now

[amber summit]

There re doing there initial questing system

[humble spoke]

Because I have a feeling it was never started to begin with

[willow crest]

basics quests just gota follow the usual mmo formula of go there kill this , gather this X materials

even if its not the formula, this would help them out with player retention so much

and just make people have more alts

[humble spoke]

Oh agreed, the game is missing the pve core element for play retention massively

[willow crest]

all aspects of the game are group and hardcore focus

which makes all casual testers drop like flies

after 1 month

[humble spoke]

I do think the game will not be focused for casual players which is fine but hardcore doesnt just mean time sink, that isnt what hardcore means

[buoyant apex]

I think spiffing brit defined hardcore the best way, a casual plays when they have time, a hardcore makes time to play

[willow crest]

The game needs to cater a bit to both communities, because to turn people into long term players, you need to capture the casuals

[raven vessel]

because thats content which takes time, and is bug prone 🙂 Ashes atm reminds me of Darkfall. Huge, atmospheric, but mainly empty game world. Hey, even the dull grind and exploit galore are here.

[hollow kettle]

whats the point of quest they are basically just grinding mobs but rebranded

[humble spoke]

Somewhat agree but grinding mobs for hours I don't count that as a hardcore game. Nothing about it is challenging its just time. If you have endless time thats fine.

[willow crest]

sure, but like everything, they could have simple go there kill 20 and copy paste it all over the map as placeholders

[buoyant apex]

almost every quest you have ever done in any mmo boils down to that. Go bring me 15 bear asses is just grinding bears disguised as a collect quest

[willow crest]

because modern audiences are programmed to enjoy things that way, doesnt matter if its just grind disguised, it helps with casual player retention

[humble spoke]

Depends on the game, story questing or puzzle quests etc, stuff that makes you feel part of the world rather then just sleeping on the keyboard is needed

[willow crest]

Like looking objectively, WOW Classic is a similar grindy leveling experience, but there you got options, you can either group farm dungeons or play alone and quest

here you got the equivalent to dungeon grind, without the item rewards normally, unless you doing humanoids farming, but you dont have a decent solo experience

its not a matter of being good or not during alpha

its a matter of playing alone in alpha just isnt fun, and it doesnt respect your time

For example, I quit phase 2 because my guild disbanded

and i couldnt be hassled to search for a new guild

[humble spoke]

I dont mind the game promoting parties but having stuff actively to do making you feel part of your character part of the world is important.

I couldn't careless of my character and basically ability mashed my way to level 25 at the start of phase 2

[willow crest]

but i also couldnt play alone

[raven vessel]

there is a lot to be said about WoW grind experience, but Blizzard managed to make character and gear progression quite satisfying. Not too sh...too much on Intrepid, but they are far from nailing that aspect.

[hollow kettle]

BG3 skyrim fallout. all good solo experiences. not sure why solo players look for mmo's to meet there solo needs.

[willow crest]

I did wow hardcore right after ashes, and leveling with a sense of dread to not die was just magical, and gave me a much greater apreciation to the whole questing experience they had there

[humble spoke]

When it comes to a mmorpg I feel like you need to actually feel a connection to your character ingame and in the world of the game.

With the current progression feeling bland, might as well give people the level increase venders from PTR and we all just pvp and skip the bloat

[willow crest]

its not a matter of being a solo player, its a matter of not having much time to play, if you dont have less than 3h of free time to play, ashes in its current state isnt even worth opening

[humble spoke]

This is my feeling on star citizen currently 😆you need a minimum of 3hrs in your evening uninterrupted yo actually achieve anything

[hollow kettle]

naw that not true. i hopped on for 2 hours the other day and got a couple BiS drops

just got to be efficient and effective

[buoyant apex]

other things need to be tested though, sure everyone going ham and just having conseqence pvp is fun, but outside of it pushing the servers to their limits it ignores other issues being tested.

Perfect example was when they wanted us to test cross server worker functionality, almost everyone just ran off and started fighting near shrines cause that was the easiest way to pvp, but most shrines are nowhere near server worker borders. They also wanted us to test pulling mobs across borders to test that functionalty and almost nobody did that

[willow crest]

sure, that can happen, but it can also happen that you go in, and sit LFG for 1h, then get a shitty group, farm 30m, disband, try to find new group, just to realize your out of time

[hollow kettle]

ngl though sometimes i grind for 10 hours and dont get shit

[hollow kettle]

yea i did that for 5 hours at carphin the other day. tank was caravan flagged and wouldnt leave and then groups had round robin on and every group was just falling apart

[willow crest]

I mean my poor friend choose ranger

he would legit wait for 1-2h everyday just writing in LFG to find a group that wanted to pick him up

just because he had a late start

and late start I mean 2 weeks into phase 2

[humble spoke]

Well I blame thT on intrepid,

PTR or the renamed pre alpha test environment is very well directed as a test session with focusing on specific things with wipes alot so no one cares and just tests its very chill.

Intrepid has made the live build basically like a playable experience where seems no one wants wipes or anything and want to play it as a actual game experience. They say it's a alpha and is just a test but it is a game experience and is why people to whatever they want.

[patent junco]

Why do people not want rangers?

[willow crest]

early in phase 2 they were much weaker in aoe than mages, so people avoided rangers in favor of mages for aoe farms

another sad consequence of group content lolol, if its not balanced, your out

[patent junco]

Ahh didn’t realise you were talking about about p2

[midnight surge]

Easiest no skill required class in all mmorpgs

[humble spoke]

This falls into the typical mmo issue tho and the current issue with alot of gaming these days if it isn't meta not interested.

I played retail wow for the first time really in dragonflight and late game dungeons whatever they're called just saw people out right rejected for being 10 gear score to low or not the right spec or class extra.

When I run my guild/groups I just add whoever we're all here for fun anyway

[patent junco]

Still has some skill around positioning and a brain of when to use your skills but ye prob got the lowest ceiling 🚀

[hollow kettle]

i started in WoW dragonflight and my first month i cleared the raid on heroic and pushed mythic 23+ keys. good times and easy to gear up.

[gritty rapids]

yah I found doing those the worst part of the experience because everyone wanted you to be overgeared or rejected you for class and stuff, it was lame, like guys, this content isn't hard...

[humble spoke]

Basically if you want to play any games with groups you need to watch 10 YouTube tutorials, 3 build guilds and somehow acquire best in slot on the meta class and you'll be accepted

[willow crest]

Well, I will likely join back in ashes when phase 3 starts, phase 2.5 seems a little bit to similar to phase 2 and not enough changes to make me wanna relevel, but I am hopefull they make some major changes in between now and phase 3 that warrants a new fresh start

I kinda wish they had 1 server open just to try classes that you could instantly go to max level, and get a feel for the classes

[humble spoke]

Realistically pop in maybe 4months after P3 release and everything promised on release might be there

[willow crest]

I dont even want all that was promised, I just want a little more breathing room

the whole SOl Deus experience early phase 2

left a really bad taste

[midnight surge]

I never played wow

[gritty rapids]

I didn't play EU but I heard SD dominated EU server, that's gonna happen in alphas when there's not a lot of nodes yet

[humble spoke]

Definitely thats where 80% of my guild disappeared away until yhe future.

Eu was a developer free zone and ignored

[gritty rapids]

AoC does ultimately cater to larger groups

[willow crest]

The camped the world bosses, they griefed the gear grindy areas, they camped every caravan in the map

[torpid hill]

let me zoom in on WoW on the picture:

[stray idol]

Haha you are such a fcking loser

[buoyant apex]

the map is gonna get much bigger

[stray idol]

"eu was developer free zone and ignored"

[willow crest]

Yup I know, and its what I also want from phase 3, because this game doesnt work when 10k people are crammed into a small zone

[wet loom]

that sounds like a bad thing when youre saying it like that

[stray idol]

Glad to see you're still a freak and that your clan left ❤️

[humble spoke]

Dominated yes in a sense, because of skill no. They used cheap tactics, which some say exploiting but thats up to Steven. And then basically barred the server from progressing for weeks and when the punishments rolled around EU got ignored so like 50% of the player base disappeared

[gritty rapids]

Later on, the likelihood of being shit on by giant zergs falls extremely if you aren't trying to be part of a metropolis style node

"A place for everybody" type vibes

[stray idol]

Can you explain these "cheap tactics" ?

[willow crest]

It was a mix of skill, and free time, these guys didnt sleep, like, they played day and night, and having a group you could call at the snap of your fingers was just a major advantage

[humble spoke]

I obviously have yoy blocked for a reason so don't need to explain.

[wet loom]

wdym "cheap tactics"?

[midnight surge]

The golden age of mmorpgs

[stray idol]

Ok furry

[midnight surge]

lol

Do you guys even mmorpg ?

[willow crest]

like i played ashes in the 1 month at all hours of the day, I would wake up at 3 am to try and do caravans in peace, and there would still be like 20 sol deus camping caravans XD, Seriously, I have no idea when they had time to have a life

[wet loom]

pay some tax

[gritty rapids]

I mean like I said, this is unfortunately going to occur this early on with this few nodes and an utter lack of true competition being around both NA and EU alike

[wet loom]

ez

[gritty rapids]

The things with testing an alpha is the experience is going to mostly suck most of the time

[humble spoke]

I'm a fair person it wasn't just sol deus.

I was the one who called it on Stevens live stream. Like 5+ big EU guilds were mass running caravans through the world border at late hours in the morning midnight onwards.

And sol deus and another guild can't remember there name use to just mob train every low level poi there was to keep players levels down and get glint.

To be fair to sol deus they did stop eventually, the other guild very much didn't.

Can't remember their name

[willow crest]

Sure, if Sol Deus was the only problem, but you had Stand by, and other small groups of people who would atack any caravan on sight, paying taxes costed more than delivering a caravan

[humble spoke]

But to go from PTR testing where pvp happens but people laugh it off help each other out and test, to watching 3 level 25 soldeus members blowing up a level 10 in lionhold on his caravan because it had 1 upgrade just wasn't the experience I wanted to be apart of.

[midnight surge]

Stand down and stand by! Clear comms !

[humble spoke]

Standby thats it

[willow crest]

what about lv 25s train mobing mobs into lvs 15-20 and demanding a tax to stop?

fun days

[midnight surge]

I wish they would.

I’ll wait

[gritty rapids]

Mara you're being skitzo again

[humble spoke]

Yeah i said training mobs in the top comment.

I never had them demand money, we had a member throw a fit for 2 days straight poi training mobs because we killed a boss and apparently it was his, he had it on a timer 😅

[midnight surge]

Well you’re British

[willow crest]

I mean i had Sol Deus and Stand By both demanding gold to stop training mobs

It really just soured the alpha a lot

at least that was fixed

[midnight surge]

And you have sus in your name

[humble spoke]

Yeah it killed like most of the EU player count that did and the devs ignored it completely, it's why most people i met and know from EU have quit the game for now

[buoyant apex]

mob training is not fixed

[humble spoke]

Wait it isn't 😅

??

I haven't been playing

[buoyant apex]

nope still common

[willow crest]

Seriously? didnt steven said it was gona be fixed right after they came back?

what about the stupid crocodile?

[humble spoke]

I do remember the little fucking eyeball mob being dragged to the storage clerk on a regular to bomb people

[willow crest]

was the speed value fixed?

[buoyant apex]

I think the croc was fixed yes

[humble spoke]

I dont think that's matter apparently there is speed hacking going on now

[willow crest]

lololol XD

[buoyant apex]

the occulars hit nowhere near as hard and guards nuke them real fast

[willow crest]

guess waiting for phase 3

was the best option

[gritty rapids]

Not playing till beta 1

was the best option

[midnight surge]

Spoken like a true Brit

[sacred orchid]

do better runs then

[humble spoke]

I dont know I was in a town and watched a standby guy get like 6 people with one of those little things, granted he died and I did think they got character reset eventually but still

[buoyant apex]

hard to do when they have a flying mount scouting vans

[sacred orchid]

if he paid the tax he was safe

[buoyant apex]

you guys really want empty servers dont you?

[humble spoke]

Bro the tax was like 5x the price of the caravan itself

[willow crest]

You werent safe, because all the tax did was let you pass, then another guild would atack you right after

[buoyant apex]

or jsut their alts

[gritty rapids]

The thing ya'll have to keep in mind is pvpers are really good about not wanting competition and killing servers

[humble spoke]

Yeah thats basically what they did EU just burned and lost player count. I went on before the wipe and it was dead

[sacred orchid]

the tax was 3g then later 5g

for the most part

[willow crest]

lolol we had this discussion any times in EU server

[sacred orchid]

and that was just being nice tbf

[willow crest]

Sol Deus insisted full on pvp control and burning everyone to the ground was benefitial

glad we all lost our shit together!

[buoyant apex]

so yes you want empty servers

[sacred orchid]

people not allowed to play the game or what

[robust holly]

adding 2 zones and expanding sea zones helps a ton with free caravan movement

[humble spoke]

He is a sol deus/was a member, and yes EU pvp was basically just burn the server to the ground by any means, if there was no players to fight they won

[robust holly]

SD were so dominant because they were an organised force in a small area

[glad abyss]

literally only content in the game is caravan pvp node wars and sieges

[gritty rapids]

okay but if you have no real competition then...

what?

seal clubbing is fun?

[buoyant apex]

and all of that is going to go away if you keep chasing everyone off

[sacred orchid]

[buoyant apex]

What you gonna do when everyone either avoids where you are due to the huge map, or just leaves your server?

[glad abyss]

i dont think that what sd was doing was "chasing people off", i personally wasnt happy that they quit the game cause server was way more fun when there was a very active guild playing the game

[sacred orchid]

again people playing the game

blame the game

[gritty rapids]

this is unlikely to occur later on because we'll have a real game and the genuinely large and strong pvp guilds will decide on servers to be on together

[sacred orchid]

not the player

[humble spoke]

We told them that, doesnt matter is done, intrepid didn't care, the pvpers didn't care. That's why I said the game will launch and die a death in about a year if that same mentality persists, people will just drop the game.

And the pvpers once the servers dry up will be on the next mmo

[glad abyss]

ofc people dont like their caravan being destroyed, but thats just part of the game, sometimes u win sometimes u lose

[sacred orchid]

i lost lots of caravans

mostly due to bugs

but damn i dont yapp about it

[buoyant apex]

Exact same thing was said by the mega tribes in ark till their servers got spun down cause they had like 4 people max a day, people go somewhere else, its not worth keeping an empty server online

[sacred orchid]

yea then the devs need to do something about it

[buoyant apex]

they did, they spun down the servers

[sacred orchid]

like archeage where you had save times for couple hrs a day

[humble spoke]

I dont know about that, from the pvp guilds I saw in EU only about half actually wanted competition. They prefer to be 3-5 on one player with a 5-10 level lead.

[sacred orchid]

or some shit

[gritty rapids]

most pvp guilds aren't playing aoc yet

aoc is still a joke scam to most communities

who we have here for the most part are just the early desperate ones

(yes that includes me aoc will save me I believe in it)

[sacred orchid]

all this "please, leave my poor caravan alone otherwise you will kill the game" is just weird

[humble spoke]

Well it's the same feeling I have on like repeat offenders of exploiting or cheating or griefing, they're not here to test or have a passion to make the game good they just want there small kick or entertainment, just ban them and move on

[humble spoke]

No ones saying that at all, you're making it a micro issue into one small system

[gritty rapids]

Based off what I saw said above, SD didn't cheat, they just dominated their server and made life hell for anyone that wasn't them

[sacred orchid]

many people did, a lot

[gritty rapids]

But SD also has no competition right now, and when more guilds show up, they will.

The map will also be huge by the end; you're not gonna try to fight over a metropolis against SD, SD will be against other large, powerful guilds, etc

[willow crest]

Its not really a leave my caravan alone, its about shoving away the more casual player base, you dont have a game here, you have an alpha and a lot of the systems are easy to abuse, caravan pvp was one of them, caravans are unrewarding, expensive and a pain in the ass to run, you keep killing casual players with no guilds and little time to play and they simply stop playing, and this is what happened to EU server

[gritty rapids]

You'll be big chilling all happy in your t2/t3 node size running your caravans and fighting people on your level

[stray idol]

Why do you think we quit

[sacred orchid]

yes and what happens if you kill them and shove them away, the devs will see how the current system is not working and should be changed. which is a good thing

[gritty rapids]

I think ya'll would enjoy fighting Polar right now tho tbf lol

[sacred orchid]

so you are welcome

[humble spoke]

I won't blanket SD with the same cloth, some members into had really good discussions with and feedback and stuff in the day. But some members were very much down the line of we will abuse everything and everything until we're caught.

SD got a bad wrap because you're only as good as your worse member kinda deal

[sacred orchid]

not in this current game state

maybe in the future who knows

[gritty rapids]

I don't disagree with this at all, and I'd imagine if videos were taken of SD members outright cheating, SD would of taken action against their own too

[sacred orchid]

when it isnt lagging balls

[gritty rapids]

I doubt SD wants the rep of being exploiting shitters

[sacred orchid]

nope and despite being "super duper exploit guild" no one got banned

[gritty rapids]

yeah that's fair, me hoping we get more na vs eu later

[willow crest]

I mean if theres anything I gota thank you guys is for taking my will to play ashes and go play wow hardcore, that yes was some fun 2 months of my life lolol

[sacred orchid]

thats fine its an alpha and its now up to the devs

[humble spoke]

Eh, I don't it they seem like they all knew each other by previous mmos.

They were mob training for days after steven said it was considered exploiting but never did anything to stop it

[sacred orchid]

to make it more enjoyable

[willow crest]

I am surprised since he said they had a aggro system in place coming within weeks, and this was said back in february

[sacred orchid]

crazy thing but he said its not griefing

didnt said anything about exploiting

[gritty rapids]

I thought Steven said mob training was shit behavior but not a bannable offense?

[humble spoke]

Yeah that was i think a cope lie to hopefully retain players

[sacred orchid]

mob aggro wasnt working correctly

[patent junco]

He did.

[willow crest]

He said mob training was griefing and an exploit so i dont know wth your on

[glad abyss]

he literally said the opposite

[patent junco]

He absolutely did not say this.

[stray idol]

Wrong, we had maybe 30ish core SOL and the rest new recruits for Ashes

[willow crest]

He said it in his 1 stream ever

which is a shame it wasnt recorded

[glad abyss]

steven legalized mob training

[willow crest]

in twitch

[gritty rapids]

There's no shot it wouldn't of been recorded

lol

[sacred orchid]

idk about his stream but he said it here

[willow crest]

it wasnt

[sacred orchid]

but cant find it because that channel is gone

[willow crest]

because he didnt know how to do it

[humble spoke]

I dont have it now but when he started live streaming i asked him on stream, he said mob training was griefing and punishable and the caravan through the barrier was exploiting.

A few standby members got character reset for mob training but SD never did which confuses me because I saw a single SD member train a heck of alot more the standby did

[willow crest]

he even helped sold deus get a dragon spawned in that stream

[robust holly]

all his streams have vods

[willow crest]

and gave you guys some fancy christmas hats

[robust holly]

and he's confirmed on discord over the last 2 weeks that it isn't actionable

[sacred orchid]

and i will not speak about what he says in his private stream, if anything it should be stated here which he did

[gritty rapids]

There it is

[willow crest]

well then Steven just changed his mind as game goes

[patent junco]

He’s always been on the record saying that following a player from location to location and purposely stopping them from playing the game is bannable or griefing.

Fighting over location, flagging or training at a POI is fine but will damage your reputation

[robust holly]

I genuinely don't think he's ever said it's against ToS

[willow crest]

in stream he said mobs agro wasnt working as intended

[humble spoke]

We're not talking about currently

[sacred orchid]

thats the new one

was looking for the old one

[gritty rapids]

Don't take this as me being okay with it either, I'm not, but I'm also the typa dude to sit out my party jumping another party if we're an 8 stack and they're 4 people

[sacred orchid]

but channel is gone

[robust holly]

yeah not as intended but does he say it's actionable?

[willow crest]

he said, doing mob training and asking for money

was seen as griefing

and was a no no

[glad abyss]

mob training was never against tos, its a way to contest a spot, u have an objective in mind. following people across pois and training them without caring about an objective is greifing

[sacred orchid]

idk if he sees that way he should communicate it here

[gritty rapids]

Tbf I'd be more against mob training if corrupt pvp wasn't so dogshit right now, but it is

[sacred orchid]

or website whatever

not taking what he might said on his twitch for facevalue

[willow crest]

because early phase 2 what was hapening

[humble spoke]

Ok the second part of that statement means the sol deus member I'm thinking about should of been actioned many times over then

[willow crest]

was people lv 25 training mobs into low levels

[buoyant apex]

hes reset people live on stream for mob training

[willow crest]

just for fun

[buoyant apex]

level 25 training on 25's

[willow crest]

no

25 training on oak bane keep

[sacred orchid]

for glint actually

[glad abyss]

[sacred orchid]

to do caravans

[willow crest]

on lvs 10-15

[glad abyss]

this is his official statement

[humble spoke]

Yes I remember this to

[sacred orchid]

which was very viable

[patent junco]

I wasn’t in SD in P1 and I was on the rough end of Azadim and the training. Just let it motivate you. Let the hate flow through you

[willow crest]

he did reset a guy

from stand by

from training mobs into a fisherman

[stray idol]

You are allowed to speak his name, it's not Voldemort

[patent junco]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-hate-flow-through-you-your-hate-has-made-you-powerful-emperor-palpatine-star-wars-gif-15799521

[stray idol]

His name is Azadim if that helps

[glad abyss]

heiler my goat

[buoyant apex]

your whole argument of "hes fine with it" kinda falls apart when that is pointed out

[gritty rapids]

I think we all have to consider and remember that Steven has a tendency of not always being impartial in his actions

[glad abyss]

i mean idk why u arguing with me, its steven that is being incoherent

[buoyant apex]

was even an enveus member btw

[willow crest]

oh yeah enveus forgot about those

[sacred orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/forbidden-nacho-libre-gif-25609958

[gritty rapids]

remember when people were worried about Steven showing favoritism to Enveus because Stevens in their discord?

I remember

[willow crest]

I mean, steven sure would probably like we would forget about it XD

not our fault he doesnt remember what he says on stream

guess thats why they are gone

XD

[humble spoke]

@stray idol here if you want to bring back the old chats we use to have

[sacred orchid]

maybe he changed his mind who knows he makes the rules

[gritty rapids]

He does change his mind

This discord was not a safe space in the past, it is now

[sacred orchid]

everything is also work in progress

but either way it was never considered griefing at least here

or exploiting

whatever azadim did

[humble spoke]

yeah they need to stick to some guidelines and hold them accountable

[buoyant apex]

then why were people having their character reset?

[humble spoke]

exactly

[stray idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728004500325007411/1326175993295011860/Dinkle_Deus.gif?ex=6835b9a3&is=68346823&hm=c96bcf00a92b0d28740ec389a401621d709fbd158bd08f5fc75f909054d10fca&

[willow crest]

Well its an alpha, but its still weird

[sacred orchid]

idk why i know people been reset for killing afk ghosts, and i think heiler for harrasing people

ask steven not me

he said it, we follow it

[willow crest]

that he says the agro system isnt working as intended

[sacred orchid]

simple

[buoyant apex]

Where?

[willow crest]

and then goes ahead and never does anything about it

[sacred orchid]

in old lotharia channel

[willow crest]

yup

[sacred orchid]

now he made a new statement

[buoyant apex]

in a video you just so happen to be unable to find

[sacred orchid]

he said it, we follow it

simple

if that makes you feel better

[willow crest]

Actually

[gritty rapids]

That likely has a partial origination in their inability to fully collect accurate reports on everyone, like when they banned/reset a bunch of Polar guys in p2 and reversed their decision later because apparently others who didn't do anything got caught in it too

[willow crest]

i think he actually said something about this also

on the interview with pirate

[humble spoke]

heiler got reset after about 1 day of fisherman griefing, azadim didnt get reset after days and days of mob training on pois. its the same thing. also that statement from steven saying actively following and repeating to do it is consisdered harassment then azadim should of definitely been punish the guy followed me for a day screaming in shout chat, lost me on server reset and still ran around shouting in chat XD

[willow crest]

and that one is still around

but way to long to listen

[sacred orchid]

maybe but if anything say it here or on website whatever any official capacity

[stray idol]

If anyone would get punishment in SOL it would've been Azadim thats right

[sacred orchid]

"said it on stream once" is not a good thing for the game or the player

[willow crest]

I mean, technicly Steven doesnt said a lot about many things, remember logging out and your caravan vanishing?

[sacred orchid]

ngl expected him to be reset

was next level

[willow crest]

was that at least fixed?

or was it just words in a now erased stream?

[patent junco]

It was until it wasn’t 😂

[buoyant apex]

that bug is back

[sacred orchid]

its worse even

[willow crest]

what you mean bug?

Its a feature

steven never put it in the tos

[humble spoke]

oh most definitely, i didnt have much problem wwith Sol deus other then Azadim, Even if he mob trained for a day and just went yeah I admit that isnt right and moved on but no bro followed me for days, I ended up just running to POIs he was training on and getting him to follow me so people could play the game

[buoyant apex]

i mean by ado's and davens logic you are right

he never specifically said it was bannable, so its AOK

[willow crest]

Yup

[stray idol]

https://www.twitch.tv/constantineaoc/clip/IncredulousDiligentStorkTakeNRG-f04hBfv9LMyY_Kke?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[buoyant apex]

Cause anything is on the table unless you are specifically told its not apparently

[humble spoke]

this is why for a testing environment there should be a clear channel of rules of what will be considered as what and whats bannable and stick to it, they can update the list when new shit is found

[willow crest]

Nah I think you guys are confused, its clearly a feature because theres no record of steven saying caravans dispawing on log out isnt intended

its clearly "Oh Man i suddenly gota leave"

[buoyant apex]

nobody has been reset for it either

[willow crest]

button

[patent junco]

Feature saved my 1.6m Ferrari from Cartel once

I had bad internet at the time 🙃

[humble spoke]

Thats funny because I remember alot of Sol deus crying about people doing that

[willow crest]

yup

[sacred orchid]

yea because its lame, we never called people to get banned over it

[willow crest]

something about it being bug abuse

or something

[humble spoke]

Its only ok when it benefits them remember that

[sacred orchid]

[humble spoke]

well thats a lie

[stray idol]

We did, it was banned in our clan

[buoyant apex]

But its in the game Daven, hate the game not the player

[glad abyss]

as of now mob training is fair game

[patent junco]

I don’t give a shit what people do, carebears everywhere

[buoyant apex]

then so is alt-f4 caravaning

[glad abyss]

if steven change his mind again tomorrow it wont be

[sacred orchid]

made fun of them mostly

[willow crest]

Honestly

I dont think Steven has the time or team to moderate a alpha server, unless its something really really big

[glad abyss]

nah thats a stretch

[willow crest]

and its truly not where we want resourses to be put atm

[sacred orchid]

big strech, when it was even fixed as it was an issue

[buoyant apex]

same logic you use to say training is fine, its in the game, no official statements against it, no account actions against it, must be fine. You just don't like it because it takes away your agency in the situation.

[sacred orchid]

mental gymnastics

[glad abyss]

wym there was literally a statement from steven himself

[humble spoke]

The game just has a shit show of structure and thats why alot of players wont ever return now after that. because intrepid was so soft on making things clear and itll always leave people with that taste now. Alpha or not

[gritty rapids]

Doughnut rides a very high moral horse, which at least he stands on his principles

[buoyant apex]

vs steven and the devs activly working on a system to prevent training, wher in if the mob moves a certain distance from its spawn point its unable to build threat on parties other than the one that pulled it

[patent junco]

Why is everyone crying over caravans when there’s no point to them currently?

[buoyant apex]

there are statements and ACTIONS from steven himself on mob training but you conveinyently ignore them.

[glad abyss]

yeah and mob training will still be a thing if u dont plòay it correctly

[willow crest]

I dont think they are soft, I think Steven is a great PR person, and the more public time he has, the more things he says that cause trouble to intrepid because they sound like good ideas, but the team just cant do it atm

Which is likely why

steven twitch is gone

[humble spoke]

If thats the method there going with does that ment no one can contest bosses?

[sacred orchid]

expect there wasnt, and who knows why people got reset

[glad abyss]

people who got punished probably did not just mob train to get a spot or something, it was probably harassment towards specific players

[buoyant apex]

We watching him do it to an enveous member on stream LIVE for mob training

[sacred orchid]

its not like he said he got reset for that exactly and its forbidden

[willow crest]

Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn all this Banter just makes me wanna jump right into Ashes 😄 BUT I gota hold up till phase 3

[sacred orchid]

state it here

[humble spoke]

whispers Azadim

[sacred orchid]

i do not take his livestream for facevalue

not watching every stream they do lol

[stray idol]

Waiting for p3 is a good call, game is cooked atm

[buoyant apex]

Course you don't cause it goes against what you want it to be

[glad abyss]

hey im not saying that he shouldnt be punished im just saying that rn Intrepid stance is that mob training is fair game

[buoyant apex]

but a video you cant find where he said it is somehow gospel

[willow crest]

5 months ago

[humble spoke]

if there say its fair game its whatever but back then it wasnt.

they need a rules channel or a page in game with them so there is no blurred lines, because people wwill trying argue

[willow crest]

found it

[glad abyss]

yeah they had this fix already i think

[willow crest]

if this feature is in, mob training should be impossible unless people aoe them

[sacred orchid]

i want to tbe stated officially lol, which he did before and now

[glad abyss]

i agree with u, there should be more clarification on stuff

[sacred orchid]

but im not going in circle

[buoyant apex]

training is still going strong dude, hell ive accidentally trained the damn monitor lizards from the tropics onto people near halcy, the fix is not in

[sacred orchid]

go do your mental gymnastics

[glad abyss]

i think thats a different problem

[buoyant apex]

its two problems

[glad abyss]

u should try go heal yourself close to a group that is farming mobs and see if u get aggro

[humble spoke]

definitely, its like yeah mob train cause direct player frustration in my opinion the caravans through the barrier did far more damage to the economy of EU at the start of P2

[glad abyss]

i think that was the bug they were referring to

[buoyant apex]

if they are activly trying to maintain agro of course you aren't going to pull it with heal agro, tanks and dps generate far more hate than heal agro right now

[glad abyss]

yeah it wasnt like that before

i remember healers complaining about randomly aggroing shit

[buoyant apex]

never with my groups unless it was a mob i wasn't engaged with that wandered to close and got face pulled, but thats a different situation.

soon as my taunt's hit it, or a dps smacked it the mob would zero in on whoever was activly engaging, unless they were in a lockin move like axe swipe, lifedrain, or vomit

or that goblin tumble thing they do when they rally

[sacred orchid]

we pulled a marauder from steelbloom all the way to tropics entrance

dude was not giving up

[buoyant apex]

he wanted yer sweet meats

[stray idol]

you ruined my sons life, he was just fishing in miraleth minding his own businesses when 100 sol deus bamboons came and killed him for his fish. I will personally dm Steven about this providing evidence from his pov and yours. I hope Steven gives you and your clan the maximum punishment!

[humble spoke]

I do think something will have to be done for the finally release if they want to do non instant dungeons all the time because ngl, once the world joins there will just be so many troll alts flying mobs through those dungeons

[buoyant apex]

if they can get the max distance agro thing to work it will pretty much solve the issue. Doesn't matter if the bard drops their hate to 1 if the other group literally cannot generate hate on the mob. Course that also means bosses are going to be cheesed and pulled outside that range making it much harder to steal them from the initial pulling group, but eh thats what wardecks and open world flagging are for.

[humble spoke]

Yeah we hope

I do think ashes will be one of these max level or nothing mmos, I know steven says leveling should be long and rewarding but it's the complete opposite, everything points to rush as fast to max level as possible

[buoyant apex]

the only mmo where you can still be useful when you "arent max level" is eve, and thats because every org always needs disposable tacklers

[humble spoke]

But there is useful and there is the ability to play, I really never think I'm ever going to see a non max level caravan with max level players post launch.

Because not going to lie if I saw a caravan half my level I'll probably just kill it

[vapid parcel]

think the point of Ashes is.....depends what region your in. If you are in a high fought over pvp area yes, if you are in an area reigned by an RP / peacefull alliance with only specific enemy's as a random lvl 15 running a caravan you could just be ok and could even be under the protection of the alliance to incentivize trade

[junior arch]

I wasn’t max level on archeage and still shit on max level people cause fuck em!

[boreal gull]

WTB - Apprentice lumberjacking bag.

Shol-us
IGN:
/tell urbeeshheals WTS Apprentice Lumberjacking bag

[dusty dock]

Complete American domination

[vapid parcel]

all of Polar is 100% American? No Canadians, Aussies, Mexicans....

[junior arch]

I do believe Canadian and Mexicans are part of America

[noble elk]

To be fair I do believe that's what they teach there so I try my best not to blame Americans for being clueless idiots.

[dusty dock]

You mean the 51st 52nd and 53rd states?

[noble elk]

Damn Aussies getting it too

The imaginary line known as the entire Pacific ocean is getting redrawn

[night surge]

We are actually taught that Mexico and Canada are part of America...North America, that is

[buoyant apex]

The American continent.

Divided into North and South America.

America the country is seperate...YES ITS CONFUSING.

[noble elk]

True..... But for all the marbles what is this body of water called

[night surge]

That's the Mediterranean Sea, duh. 'muricans are taught real good, see?

[vague eagle]

Uhh the gulf of americano?

[noble elk]

That's ok I've given up on the real world

I only care about verra geography now

[junior arch]

It was when AA was new my guy but I appreciate the pay to win feed back 🫡

Was playing stone arrow 😉

[ashen glen]

its the turquoise sea ofc

[proven jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994742248191303731/1374456967950766211/ezgif-4266bacecca138.gif

[velvet cave]

Lmao. That’s. Awesome lol.

[junior arch]

Maybe you just don’t have hands but it is what it is. I knew how it was in 2014 and that’s that.

🤦‍♂️ it is what it is my guy. The guild I joined required PvP as their app and I was 2 levels away from max. Shits easy mmo players are just handless

If YOU couldn’t then just say so

Ah yes short gear and didn’t have level 50 ability yessir this is how not being max works

Nah I’m just saying not max

Basically 22 killing 25 in ashes 🤷‍♂️

Except the max level meant alittle more in AA

I’d like for them to add more level points in gear cause per 10 never feels good without a good upgrading system

[main otter]

i want a fox

[clear torrent]

I want a rabbit

[still patrol]

eats the rabbit and Fox yum

[buoyant apex]

I want a snorse

[main otter]

ok? maybe i wanted a mounted instead

[balmy spruce]

FUPPO NOO

[sacred orchid]

[willow barn]

The in game economy is so cooked

[heady plume]

Tariffs on my boots of tardy is crazy

[willow barn]

we need papa jerome to come in here and raise the rates

[heady plume]

I still blame china

[willow barn]

yeah never saw a speed hacker in p2

now its so blown out

[heady plume]

Sally going on a rampage

[willow barn]

I mean I get the whole, no in-game GM support til launch. But its going to make your player base hemorrhage players when your gold is worthless from gold farmers running 30+ 75g vans a day lol

[haughty galleon]

WTS green lumadons earrings 180g each

[manic crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[quartz wadi]

I would be so happy for a gold wipe

[shut fossil]

We do be in 2008 level fucked economy

[lean shuttle]

And Russia

[lean shuttle]

Stopped playing after getting to 25, ready for Aion2 because at least they’re open about the fact that they’re P2W lololol

[willow barn]

enjoy the DOA game 🙂

[willow barn]

What a STEAL tomorrow they will be 300 ea

[lean shuttle]

It’s literally gonna die in 3 months.

But it’ll be a hilarious 3 months

[pallid burrow]

i remember when i got a blue tin greatsword for 1g, those were good times

[junior arch]

Not me preferring games that don’t let you trade with other players :x

[pallid burrow]

they have those its called single player

[junior arch]

Not iron man’s in RuneScape or other games that promote no trade modes right 😂

But you’re fed so I’m sure you’re very experienced in single player and PvE

Or needing hand holding to make any progress right

https://tenor.com/view/pat-good-job-patpat-gif-25554349

[pallid burrow]

Ironman is a self inflicted debuff on yourself

games not designed around it

some people like playing the economy :)

i'd make a jab at your guild but i don't even know the name

[junior arch]

Oh no don’t know my guild is such a bad thing. Being irrelevant in an alpha is permanent damage to my reputation!

[pallid burrow]

i really don't care

:)

[cedar glen]

Citizens of Sunhaven!

With this new election term I am putting myself on the ballot. If you don’t know me I was the mayor of Miraleth for the entirety of Phase 1 on Vyra, where I streamed and had citizens ask me questions about mayorship and my actions on stream! I took a break in Phase 2 to sort out some family issues but dove back into the game this 2.5 phase and after hearing all the drama from Phase 2 Vyra and seeing all the drama happening now I think it’s high time that the mayors of our nodes start giving a little more then they are taking.

I am here for you, the people of Sunhaven. I want you to hold me accountable, I want to see you pinging me in the citizen chat, I want to see you messaging me in game asking questions about want I’m doing. I want to be there for each and every one of you and for you to blow up my discord/stream/in-game citizen or whispers, HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE for OUR hopes and dreams at our node!

“Give and take only works when both sides really give and take.” Let me be the one to give back to you, take it all, then help me build our node to be glorious!

[proper breach]

Is there an apprentice cooking station somewhere?

[noble elk]

Yes but no farming up yet so it's useless

Unless you are just trying to fillet salmon

Oh wait az put farming up

Nvm you good

[proper breach]

Cool

[silk hamlet]

winstead

[proper breach]

👍

[ruby igloo]

🥱

Wanted to get it for my alt

But seems like bearmaster for 30 g will work fine I guess

[languid finch]

glop4pope

[shrewd linden]

450g is insane lol

[willow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[lean shuttle]

450g lol

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[sudden flame]

mofos marking up prices cause the speed hackers

[vapid parcel]

i do be hoping that we get a chance at a decent economy in P3. P2 and P2.5 economy both sucked and P3 is supposed to last way longer then those both combined but if no action is taken then that phase is gonna die out soon to after 2 phase economy fails

[sudden flame]

i'd take p2s any day of the week over this

[sly wadi]

Yup but then again i remember when we got the TTK change and big stat numbers....the same items pre stat change that were going for 5-10g for example were suddenly going for 20-30g.....just because big numbers

vyra*

[sudden flame]

that was like last 1-2 weeks of the phase tho so thats fine price imo, we arent even a month in

[lean shuttle]

I remember 20g per Legendary Braidwood

[vapid parcel]

P2 economy mainly got ruined by the static spawns whenever someone found a legendary willow / braidwood it was basically a days worth of supply

[robust holly]

Big time. P2 felt very stable and fair, even with static spawns. This is just rough

[dusty pecan]

20g ? sound cheap

[thin silo]

Hasn't really changed much, now the tree moves maybe 20' away. Also, there's a chance it respawns in a rock and becomes unminable. Oh and the changes to the spawn cause lots of groupings of the high end nodes it seems.

I got 40 hero willows last Saturday farming a 3x grouping. 😉

[glad abyss]

P2 economy was goated respect to this shit

I saw a screen of somebody posting a rare skullcap for 550 gold

[rose olive]

russian swipers going hard

[sacred orchid]

Well everyone was broke due to enchanting gold sink

But yea this phase is something else

Topxi going hard

[glad abyss]

Nah i gold capped multiple times

Paid for all the wars in my guild

I was balling

[dusty pecan]

Yeah since you ballin gimme 40 gold Ado

[glad abyss]

sir i bought a scorpio yesterday i have 32g to my name

[dusty pecan]

i'll take 30 of those thanks

it'll be put to good use dw

best roi in Verra

You give me money, i get gear

sound like a win win to me

[sacred orchid]

Gimme some of that shit

[glad abyss]

good luck getting gear with 32 g

people been selling basic ass items for 500 gold

[dusty pecan]

I don't give my secret

[patent junco]

I’ve spent zero gold and farmed zero gold other than buying a blood hoop 😂 and that only cost me 65g

Still rocking my wolf and bear but think it’s Scorpion time now

[sacred orchid]

Ur not even playing

[patent junco]

Gold is so pointless

[sacred orchid]

Gimme ur shit

[patent junco]

I’m on holiday bruh

Take a break from your shit chat

[sacred orchid]

Afk bober

[noble elk]

Damn are people begging for shit

Lemme in on this

Please give gear

I am just nooby otter

500g pls

[chrome merlin]

Done. Otters are bis

You want otter mount too?!

[noble elk]

Yes please!

[crystal trail]

I say we Murder Naru and loot his corpse then pass everything to Phoenix. (not a typo)

[noble elk]

Naru is a broke boy

I'm not saying don't murder him

Just don't expect anything

[crystal trail]

So charge admission and raffle chance to murder him to fund your gear!

[noble elk]

There are for sure people who would pay for the opportunity to kill him

[vapid parcel]

yeah that pinata gonna dissappoint

[noble elk]

[vapid parcel]

have to say for a mega server theres very few people active in this realm chat

[rose olive]

3 month server kinda dogshit

half the people online are afk farming named mobs because of the terrible drop rate

at least crafting is good

[dusty pecan]

???

[rose olive]

that's why they removed guaranteed loot from named mobs right? to make crafters feel special?

now we can waste time idling on mob spawns instead of playing the game

[noble elk]

But they are fixing crafting in a few days for sure

[rose olive]

right after the tank rework on april 24

[noble elk]

[crystal trail]

but atleast the Econ is thriving!

also I have 4 rare coconuts for 45g each

[rose olive]

Well played Steven

[vapid parcel]

What did we miss?

[rose olive]

Degree in economics from the University of Rwanda

That's all

[crystal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-delicious-doorstop-trade-crummy-old-danish-gif-22295906

[tardy ice]

Yes he certainly is broke. He promised free lessons in how to be otterly adorable and didnt deliver!!!!! 😛

[noble elk]

I'm otterly sorry you were lied to

We can provide these lessons anytime you need!

[vapid parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-lick-window-silly-gif-9033085