alpha-two-artisan-chat

[supple bramble]

The apprentice/adept tables are broken for a lot of the crafting

[supple bramble]

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1413754607326466078

[serene dawn]

are you able to update ur certs in the anvils/

[wide crater]

When turning stone into sand can we not do it in bulk? I haven't gotten any metals when sending 10+ but have gotten it several times one at a time

[primal torrent]

It's rng and I got stuff from bulk runs

[versed nimbus]

where can I find or make processed weaponmold in Winstead?

[crude scarab]

what do you use rough roughrime for?

[primal torrent]

In the building that metalworking station is next to

Or the building that's next to the vendor guy and carpenter table

Same building

[versed nimbus]

Yes, I can make Basalt Weapon Mold but not processed. When I go and try to make a Novice Lumberjacking Axe it want a prosssed basalr weapon mold

[primal torrent]

Ya you need to make it at the stone works table

[jaunty drum]

Can someone help please. I got to lvl 10 in jewelry and got my certificate and learned like 10 crafts and went to winstead and can't see no jewelry to craft but the novice stuff.what is the problem?

[ocean glacier]

Processed weapon mold just means any weapon mold. Use the cheapest, a bassalt will do

it confused me also on day 1

[primal torrent]

Oh ya that's a thing now

[thorn sundial]

How does one sell a market crate?

[burnt parrot]

Yo so is this chat redundant now that Steven got bullied into putting level 10 items on the equipment vendor?

Fuck the economy right

[hexed canopy]

shouldn't be as big of an issue if they can fix Tier 2 and Tier 3 craftables so it doesn't take a whole guild to make one.
as far as I understand these vendor items are tier 1 commons.

they also need to make mobs stronger so people can't level efficiently with only vendor gear

ngl i'd have preferred if vendor gear was only lvl 0

[magic mauve]

Vendor gear just needs to not exist

[hexed canopy]

your idea about staring zone markets was good

but I think they'd have to limit those markets to only lvl 0 gear and nothing else, and stuff like consumes, etc

[limber oyster]

if they want vender gear can they make it so at least it's bought off crafters through commissions to get a little money back

[magic mauve]

The money would limit that on its own. There's not many people with enough money to pay for high level things in the starter area, so most people wouldn't list much there.

[hexed canopy]

sure

[magic mauve]

I also agree that crafting commissions would help. Hard to feel like you're helping build a world when all you do is kill things and occasionally deliver supplies to a construction site.

[hexed canopy]

Crafting comissions make so much sense

[magic mauve]

"The new batch of guards are without supplies. Deliver 10 weapons or 20 pieces of armor."

[limber oyster]

Looking at some of the ideas that steven has they are cool but not entirely fleshed out. venders could work in a very limited capacity but needs relevant systems to go with it like commissions and an actually feasible ability to craft regularly not these massive mat requirements

[severe axle]

how do processing XP scrolls work, can i queue a lot, then wait, pop the scroll right before pickup, and get the xp from the entire queue boosted on pickup?

[magic mauve]

From what I have been told from those who've tested, pop it before.

[wide scroll]

Has anyone noticed a drop rate change for materials mentioned yesterday? Or did that get reverted too?

[burnt parrot]

Vendors shouldn't have crafter gear, at all. If they're worried about players getting gear, reduce the obscene costs to process and get basic ingredients

It should not cost me 9 silver to get 20 smouldering ash to process a full stack of ore

[primal torrent]

Na processing cost are fine where they are, agree though vendor gear is booty

[burnt parrot]

Processing costs + the cost of basic ingredients together isn't great. Takes too long to farm glint or coin to keep up.

[primal torrent]

It's pretty easy to make money tbh

Run crates

[magic mauve]

They've needed a gold sink in the game. I think the processing costs are actually really tuned nicely. What isn't tuned is how many materials it takes to make higher tier stuff. With 2h weapons you go from 14 copper at novice, 84 copper at apprentice, and 222 at JM.

[burnt parrot]

I get having a gold sink, but at basic level it shouldn't take this long to craft to level 10

[magic mauve]

It shouldn't take me a full day of farming to make a single weapon at journeyman. That isn't common at that point, even if the rarity says so.

[primal torrent]

And it's only going to get easier to make money as time goes

[primal torrent]

I went from level 2 carpenter to 9 in about 7 hours

I did save a lot of my processed wood over a few days but still it's not hard

[severe axle]

how much wood does it roughly take to get lumber milling to 10?

[primal torrent]

Material cost is a different discussion I am still weighing my thoughts on it. We are not sure what a crafting tree might look like or if there will be other ways to reduce materials

[primal torrent]

Tbh I wasn't counting

[crude finch]

Id argue multiple days since you need to farm the ores and the cash to pay for it all. and if you want anything unbove uncommon maybe even longer

[crude finch]

Hundredes and hudredes, im level 13 id say over 1000

[primal torrent]

I'd say more than that also make sure you're running commissions for the crafting XP scrolls

[severe axle]

mmh ok so I guess if i just want a lvl 10 book and have the mats + crafting cost, i should just give it to an apprentice miller?

[crude finch]

spell book?

[severe axle]

yes

[crude finch]

thats arcane engineering

[severe axle]

i mean the step before, for the boards

[crude finch]

well in an ideal world youd be able to go buy the things you need off the market

[severe axle]

i dont have that money

i do however have the mats

[crude finch]

but with the crafting costs and farming issues people are charging stupid prices on the marklet

[primal torrent]

Along with the reagents and processing fees

[severe axle]

i got the reagents and processing fees, too. Are tips expected for that or is getting the crafting xp for no monetary or playtime investment (just queue slot) enough?

[magic mauve]

Personally I think the cash portion is fine if you're already at the stage you're making jm stuff. A part of crafting is finding buyers to keep you funded, so it should be self sustaining in terms of money.

[primal torrent]

They're charging that price because of the WoW brain.

[crude finch]

you will NEVER feel satisifed or usefull or important as a artisan rn

[opaque phoenix]

Oh god, won't 75 oak boards take quite a while to process?

[magic mauve]

75 minutes

[crude finch]

It should be! But when the crafting costs of a single common journeymen pickaxe is like 2 gold in crafts and reagent cost most players just cannot afford that

[crude finch]

god dam wow xD

[opaque phoenix]

Lol I made several max boards processing jobs a day last phase leveling up some craft I forget which now.

[severe axle]

33 boards for a lvl 10 spell book

[crude finch]

And one board is three wood right?

[severe axle]

2 wood, 1 timber, already made those

[crude finch]

one timber and two wood i think?

[primal torrent]

1225 ash wood for a level 20 grade 3 bow let's go!

[magic mauve]

Most people who are needing one should also have money. I know quite a few gatherers who've made a handful of gold through sales. It's really a matter of being smart with what you got in order to keep progressing, which is how it should be.

[crude finch]

now make it rare xD

[magic mauve]

1755 flax for a set of light armor though, that's just a grind and a half.

[primal torrent]

I'm ok with it🤷‍♀️

[opaque phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/neverseenagain-yourleaving-oh-no-he-gif-10093833

1755 flax pile

[crude finch]

But this is the point i was making yesterday, the only people artisans are selling too is other artisans. why would any grinder come to an artisan when they can grind and get level 20 rare gear in an hour. Artisan skills are a fucking pyrmid scheem rn where we grind the skills to provide stuff for others to grind there skills

[primal torrent]

They're looking for the sweet spot for materials cost

[severe axle]

I'd just grind lumber milling to 10, wood can be chopped quite fast, but every single timber costs 55c so if i still got let's say 500 timber to go, thats almost 3g just for that

[primal torrent]

I mean those grinders could easily farm materials and help with the processing

[magic mauve]

Oh no that part's true. Drops are ruining the economy of the game I agree, I was just talking in terms of pickaxe costs and whatnot. Ignoring drops, the gold cost of crafting seems reasonable.

[crude finch]

but why would they? they are the people who wanna do PvE and PvP stuff they wanna fight monsters not mine rocks all day.

[magic mauve]

Go pvp over a rock node then

[primal torrent]

Everyone should have at least 1 processing skill

[crude finch]

Maybe in a world where we can sell stuff but in the world we are in rn it just dosent.

[crude finch]

you right but i promise you the people doign all the xp grinding wont

[primal torrent]

So they can get some gear made?

[crude finch]

but they can get better gear farming mobs

[primal torrent]

I'm saying that's what is happening in bigger guilds like polar

If you want to be a successful crafter your life will be easier in a larger guild that has planned this out.

[severe axle]

if you force people to grind rocks to play high-end pve, then you've made rock grinding a pve gameplay loop, not a crafting gameplay loop. The worst pve gameplay loop ever. Wouldnt it be ideal if pve bosses, pvp rewards, etc. dropped exclusive vanity stuff or so that can be sold? Idk, anything that a crafter would be after as well. Then everyone can specialize and do their thing and get stuff to exchange with others.

[primal torrent]

They don't need to farm them they can swing by town and I'll give them wood to process

[magic mauve]

Recipes, consumables, materials, and trash tier versions of what crafters can make. That's what should be dropping. A level 20 dropped item should be weaker than a rare level 10 craft. Take the time to get a decent set of gear made and you shouldn't need to replace it for a while.

Junk items that deconstruction kits can be used on would be a great thing to see from drops instead of full on gear.

[leaden zinc]

Ashes of Creation - Grindaholics unite

[crude finch]

How do I craft “Building Resources” for the town project

[atomic mural]

which town - where are you now?

[crude finch]

Winsted

Just outside it farming ash

[atomic mural]

You wanna make a buy order to drop at requisition agent next to storage?

[crude finch]

Huh?

[atomic mural]

Talk to the NPC mentioned above if you want to donate mats to the building of the town eg Bricks require Basalt and Ash Wood

[crude finch]

Yeah I wanna donate the “building recourses” how do I craft them? That’s what I was asking.

[atomic mural]

Talk to him a few menus till you get to the donate one - do one donation of 5 Ash & 10 Bas at a time to receive your bonus. If you mass donate you only get one lot of tickets. Do it slowly to maximise tickets

[crude finch]

Oh so it’s not something I have to craft and deliver?

It just take the resources

[atomic mural]

Nah just donate - the menus do the "crafting"

[crude finch]

Ok I’ll give this a go, this whole system is confusing

[atomic mural]

Won't take long to get the hang of it. That one is the easiest of the bunch but will complete quickly from all the players

[crude finch]

So I take ash and basalt and just drop em in

I’m heading over now

[atomic mural]

and once you complete the first level of Citizen you'll unlock an extra bank slot for 1g which is a nice incentive 🙂

[crude finch]

the bloody ashes codex map dosent have the slate spots on it

I fucking hate the mobs in this game they fucking chase you forever and magically hit you when your miles away

[heady tendon]

is there a quest for another bag off rip that i may have missed?

[olive ember]

So I've just learned some Adept Leather Working recepies for the Bear Hide and Howling Wolf sets. But they seem to be lacking the Requires section where they can be crafted, and that makes them not appear in the crafting station even though it's an Apprentice Station?

[leaden zinc]

so a mountain lion carcass looks like a pig but neither process?

[jaunty drum]

Can someone help please. I got to lvl 10 in jewelry and got my certificate and learned like 10 crafts and went to winstead and can't see no jewelry to craft but the novice stuff.what is the problem?

[leaden zinc]

are you at the novice benches?

[lament orchid]

I feel like I remember them saying. That they settlement Has to have that tier of bench unlocked. So apprentice crafts need the apprentice building built. Not just the bench

[leaden zinc]

if they haven't built apprentice machines or above there will be just novice benches in the market area

[woven stone]

FOR SHOL
Are there any crafters who have Apprentice Tailoring AND Soulseeker recipies?

[wide scroll]

How can I get more of the currency underlined in red?

[sweet elk]

settlement "stuff" - comissions, public works, buy orders etc

[wide scroll]

Thanks

[barren kindle]

how are markets doing after the econ update? have they started filling up with stuff?

[woven stone]

Sure, but the filtering is kind of ass. You can search stuff like "copper" or "oak", which is great, but then you have to manually click through EACH person's store to see prices. For those too lazy to get to page 7 for copper, you might miss the one person selling Rare Copper for 1s each, and just paid 2s for it

[barren kindle]

oh so the market ui is still pretty bad then :/

[woven stone]

Its better than nothing

good for selling stuff. Just kind of 'fire and forget'

I will come back days later and have a full inbox of silver waiting for me

not great for fast money

Very Albion Online-esque

[crimson umbra]

You can filter by rarity but ye I wish it just showed the prices of you searched an item directly

[woven stone]

(though I wish they would copy their model for market)

[woven stone]

I didnt even know that. Good call out

[crimson umbra]

Ah damn, ye it's next to the search bar

[lament orchid]

And this isnt even a gurantee to always work. Its nice whe it does tho.

[crimson umbra]

Like idc who I buy it from just show me the item, no need to show all the shops and click directly through

[lament orchid]

How would yall feel if it sorted the items by price?

[crimson umbra]

I haven't had any problems with it but then again it would be hard to even tell if things were not showing up; i'd have no way of knowing

[lament orchid]

I feel like thatd be bad for player market stalls.

[crimson umbra]

Good change, everyone wants the cheapest price anyway and you can do the same now but you have to click on each shop and scroll through. It's just a QoL change at that point

So its just if you can be bothered to scroll through all the shops and look for the cheapest, no reason for it to be so convoluted rn

[lament orchid]

Yea it would be QoL for sure. I just feel it takes away from the fantasy of player market stalls. Like I shouldnt be able to see your price if I dont go to your shop

I wouldnt be sad if they added it tho lol

[barren kindle]

but functionality aside, the markets are getting up and running with goods?, just wondering seeing all the somewhat mixed feedback in the feeback channel

[crimson umbra]

They are working as far as I know

[lament orchid]

Yea theyre starting to fill up. I think I saw like 50 paages in Winstead yesterday?

[crimson umbra]

I mean I guess but either way you can still do it now with some extra clicks anyway right

[woven stone]

Once the Anvils, Desert, and Juundark eventually catch up to lvl3 Settlements, the markets will gradually spread around

[crimson umbra]

Yea on EU we only have winstead at lvl 3 so its annoying to run back and forth as im im joeva

[umbral crown]

Is it possible to craft Apprentice Tool in Smithy? or Only in Winstead?

[analog abyss]

Winstead

[crimson umbra]

Ye needs to be a lvl 3 node

[sweet elk]

Is anyone else having issues milling more than 40 logs at once?

[proper badger]

anyone able to make dewthread gear?

[vernal locust]

I normally do batches of 100. No issues so far.

[sweet elk]

i cant mill 100 ash at the winstead mill =/ its very odd

[jaunty drum]

No, It said apprentice on it when I hover over it. In winstead

[crimson umbra]

Some of the recipes are bugged and don't show up when you learn them, search in chat if people had an issue with the same recipe you're looking for

[jaunty drum]

Ok I see im at work now but I will later tonight, thank

[crimson umbra]

👍

[cunning grove]

Windstead its a lvl 4 since yesterday and Joeva at lvl 3

[crimson umbra]

Sorry I meant 4 yea. AND JOEVA FINALLY LVLED TO 3? JESUS CHRIST I'VE BEEN SPAMMING THE COMMISIONS FOR AGES

I can finally be a citizen

[crude finch]

well my game is totally broken

i cannot mine or break anything

[novel delta]

usually relog fixes that

[crude finch]

Tried no luck

So I’m restarting the whole game

[novel delta]

wait u need to relog and wait minute

so ur char disappears

[crude finch]

Still broke??

I can’t mine anything?!!

and on my screen when i watch someone else mine it dont break

also got a pop up of "Missing string table entry" when swapping node.....

Ok fixed with a second game reload

ok an broke again

[cedar moat]

apparently they nerfed crates to oblivion lol. WHY? The rewards were already abismal

[analog abyss]

Probably market fluctuation. The more people run them the less their worth.

[cedar moat]

no, i did them a few times and they always gave the same amount to the copper, never seen a difference in price

[analog abyss]

WIll be less of a problem on a fleshed out server

[cedar moat]

not sure market fluctuation is in the game yet

[analog abyss]

Its not an instant thing, its based on a time frame from what they said on stream. We'll know again in a few days if it changes again, or if they want to chime in and let us know lol

Just in case there is 1 person on the entirety of shol that wants me to craft this for them. Here is a single common apprentice health potion.

Happy to help with this one time 31s heal. Just hit me up

[crude finch]

MAN I LOVE FALLING UNDERTHE MAP

HAVING TO USE UNSTUCK COMMAND BUYT I LOSE ALL THE SHIT IN MY INVENTORY

[cursive sphinx]

I have seen the YT vid on the crate system - what I need to know, is if we now can craft comodity crates and run from a vassal state (village) to winstead (Eu Lotharia) and sell it there? Or the other way around? Are there things to consider I should know about?

[sweet elk]

any village or higher to any village or higher

which in EU means you only have 1 option currently

[slim kite]

does a Jewelcrafter building need to be made in order to make most of the adept level jewelry ? I just hit apprentice and memorized a ton of recipes but can only see 3 Mirawoven recipes on the table in Winstead on NA

[crude finch]

with the xp scroll of processing do i pop it before i hit the craft button or before i collect it

[hollow spade]

is banyan wood worth anything? dont see many ppl listing it

[cursive sphinx]

Before you start

[ivory sierra]

Oh?

I thought you had to pop it before you “claim” the processed goods

[steel prairie]

I would like to know this too before I spend all my money on animal husbandry and possibly miss out on extra xp

[tight monolith]

It is 100% before you start, using the scroll before you collect does nothing.

[cedar moat]

are you guys sure? i pop it before collecting and i get a none 00 number, when i dont use it i get like 300 or 400, when i pop if before collecting its like 515 or sth

ill test it now with a mount

[half sage]

When will my crafting goats in the chat put in some work and make something worth buying 😭🙏🏻 this patch was handmade for you guys stop fumbling

[limber oyster]

Crafters mostly left since we feel the system has been worse since p2.

If you have the gold you could help level one and get them to make your gear at cost.

[half sage]

Sounds like crafters are lazy

[limber oyster]

Then enjoy not having one making your gear.

[vital carbon]

how do i get lv 10 shortbow and medium armour recipes?

[half sage]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-up-after-your-post-gif-26982716

[bronze orchid]

@half sage It took me FOREVER to get to Master in other games, but, once a system solidified, it became normal &, after a few year & a biilion hours, there are an untold massive dump of mats sitting in storage to games that I likely won't play again.. this to say, BE PATIENT, when the game releases, after investing a few thousand hours, we'll all have plenty of mats to work with.. but one thing crafters aren't, is lazy!!!!

https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1594-LibLazyCrafting.html

[half sage]

Idk hearing a lot of excuses and not a lot of crafting

Chop chop

[bronze orchid]

ugh, my fecetious inflections did not translate.. back to the drawing board.. facepalm

[half sage]

Less yappy more crafty

[bronze orchid]

Stop bullying me please. I'm fragile.

[dense sable]

When we unlock the Apprentice Mining Tool, should we focus on gathering Tin? I’ve noticed there are only a few Tin spots available.

[bronze orchid]

Should drop by tapping rocks, no?

[dense sable]

we should gather basalt and granite again then ?

[crude scarab]

Question on the anvils starting area, is there no way of buying schematics we can actually make up here?

[woven stone]

Been a known bug since launch, unfortunately. One more thing on a long list of Anvil oversights

[crude scarab]

rip

[misty heron]

is there anyone that has 3 Runeweld Emblems or 1 Verdant Oath Emblem?

i have been searching for 3 days

[timber remnant]

@prisma inlet Were you about to do the trade with me?

[woven stone]

i'll check on server reset, but I might have some

[torn fiber]

Are you NA or EU

[vestal vortex]

Hey fellas does anyone know how much xp the settlement gets when you deliver a crate?

[cedar moat]

Here is with popping the processing scroll before collecting and the other is without, so processing scrolls def work before you collect.

[silver goblet]

Yeps, they snapshot upon loading onto the bench

Any LW folks running into issues crafting the Sanctus Skulker Grirdle? I'm apprentice in LW, have all materials, recipe learned, crafting at Winstead (Riverlands), have gold for the outrageous 11s cost... and still says insufficient resources to craft. I have tried exiting the bench... reloading character, closing game, and even logging out of account. Can't seem to figure out what the issue is.

[novel delta]

well all the mats seems pretty low comapred to other professions armor requirements?)
it is red flag for you next time. all crafts that miss like 30-50%+ of they components are just bugged.
This one bu using logic shoudl have tanne dhides in it

[silver goblet]

lol... logic is not exactly Intrepid's core competency... you know, like static rarity making its way back into the game after destroying the economy in p2... with that being said, why do you think I'm trying to craft it lol... It's the cheapest apprentice craft and I'm curious what the xp rate is on the craft.

Speaking of XP, is there somewhere that tells you how much xp you get? The Artisan Journal has no issue with telling you what the base cost to craft is... is there somewhere that tells you the XP? Granted, at this point I'll go for a community driven spreadsheet since it doesn't seem Intrepid has the capability to show such lol.

[novel delta]

usually most profecint craft is lowest lvl with lowest resources possible (for LW its belt iirc)

[tall kernel]

does anyone know if you can buy the recipes for apprentice pouches for leather working from the leather working vendor yet?

[ivory sierra]

So let’s clarify -

You used the scroll before pressing claim?

Or used the scroll before pressing process?

Thanks for checking 🙏

[cedar moat]

before claiming

[primal torrent]

Then they changed it in previous phases you used before selecting the process button

I'm gonna test myself when I get home I suppose

[cedar moat]

i didnt play last phase much, but yeah this is my testing so should be the same with yours as well

please do confirm here as well when you do

[glass elbow]

I really wish we had some more super basic cooking recipes for things like fish filets. The more complex recipes that require intermediate steps like making aelan spice are nice and all, but I think we should be able to cook up some very basic fish filet + animal fat fried fish that would provide a lesser food buff.

[buoyant stream]

for anyone in the anvils, has anyone spotted any journeyman trees? i havent seen any in existence. based on commissions it seems like there should either be a tree name umbraelix or korn'brolach

[mossy moat]

Is there a place to buy apprentice satchel recipes for tailoring

[dense turtle]

50 common copper and not a single one above common rarity.. are the droprates on volcanic rocks scuffed?

[crimson umbra]

It'll unlock once the town builds the relevant building for it

Textile mill

[atomic mural]

Late to the party but pretty sure those korn trees are in the se of Vhal up on the top level - maybe 5-10 of them - similar to the Hemlock but diff colour

[rotund garden]

Is there a spreadsheet out there somewhere that has mats and cost to craft everything?

[sharp elm]

Not in the costs but you can use ashes codex to see what mats are needed

[atomic mural]

AshesForge has cost breakdown with the vendor materials as well

[copper pagoda]

i did that once, and it's a pain. because for apprentice you're talking at least 2 farming steps and probably 2 cooking steps as well, to make 1 item

[lament shell]

https://www.aoc-planner.gg/

This kind of helps. If you click on the right-most tab at the top and search for the item you want to craft it'll tell you what you need along with rarity outcomes. It's not 100% I've seen, but it's very close.
Does NOT work on mobile devices

[bleak raven]

I’ve seen both of them where they were exactly I do not know for sure I’ve wandered endlessly across all of the anvils lol

[rugged gorge]

why do you hate crafters

[silver goblet]

And to think people thought crafting was expensive before lol

Just imagine what the cost JM taps are going to be lol

[rugged gorge]

30 min processing time btw

[silver goblet]

The question I have is the XP any good?

[rugged gorge]

the answer is always no

[silver goblet]

Meaning, are we actually going to level to JM on apprentice craft? Or are we going to craft 50 million novice junk to get to JM?

[rugged gorge]

the latter

100pct

[silver goblet]

That's quite disappointing

[rugged gorge]

i can't believe these processing times, even if you got decent xp the time wasted making just 1 is just too much

[silver goblet]

I'm struggling to think of a game with a more poorly designed and thought out profession system experience.

[rugged gorge]

5 hours to make 10 halcyonite

[vast spruce]

I have played MMOs with long crafting times, even hours or days, but normally its for large items or at least teh final combine. If it is just for crafting a component, that seems a bit unreasonable

[rugged gorge]

waiting for the 2 week processing time at GM

[vast spruce]

Lol that would be crazy, but this is trending that direction. No way this goes like with crazy times as they add higher tiers.

[leaden zinc]

so for apprentice lumberjack trainer is only in the riverlands?

[silver goblet]

Correct. Intrepid didn't add one to the anvils

[leaden zinc]

What town has it?

[silver goblet]

None of the towns at the moment. Building needs to be built. Currently, you have to go to the woodshop north east of Lionhold.

[leaden zinc]

OK. Thanks.

[copper pagoda]

and, it takes 75 halcyonite to make a single item too. so that puts you at enough gold to buy a freehold for a common lvl 10 ring. congrats intrepid !!

processing is the weakest link in this entire shit-show of a "crafting system"

for example, if there's fixed price fixed rarity vendor items that can't be otherwise crafted required to make something, why not just tie it into the processing fee? what's the point of it?

taxes affect the vendor purchased item as well as the bench process fee the exact same way, so it changes nothing.

fuel, i understand. processing fee, i understand. extra processing ingredient that is fixed as well, available from the vendor next to the bench, taking up even more bag space that is already at a premium, convoluting the math required to make a thing, "needlessly complicated" only scrapes the surface

with a heavy stress on "needless"

or "unwelcome"

[left parrot]

I 100% agree with you but Steven was asked this directly and his answer was that the reagent to process something won’t always be on the vendor next to the station, the idea is that reagents will be a mix of mob drops and vendor purchases and that the same upgrade that unlocks a bench won’t always unlock the reagent you might use at the bench, promoting trade and travel.

I think that is not necessarily a good idea, but there is at least a plan that makes more sense than the current, admittedly stupid and frustrating and pointless, implementation

On processing times I’m assuming that these times both need tuning and that one of the goals is to make processing time reduction gear feel meaningful

I’m not disagreeing with you though that the current system is completely batshit insane and whoever did the numbers for it was smoking something

I’ve found processing to be pretty rewarding XP-wise though so long as you’re working with novice materials

Processing costs for anything that started as apprentice are off the fucking charts and not worth doing ever

Making one Bluebell Bolt is about a gold in fees

[copper pagoda]

novice needs a full rework. novice should be NOVICE, because sub ten's cant afford the processing fees to make any gear, or level up in a meaningful capacity

[left parrot]

I mean just in general the fees on everything are far too high, yes

[copper pagoda]

and the times associated, and the cross materials

[left parrot]

But the XP can be considerable, especially if you’re working with legendary mats

[copper pagoda]

you need at least 5 professions to make a weapon or armor

[left parrot]

Like making 1 legendary daffodil thread is 4k XP iirc, which is pretty solid

I made a full epic Thornbound Bow for someone and including all the processing it was about 80k XP

I agree with you

I’ve liked the suggestions people have had for crafted versions of gear to start at a significant power upgrade to dropped copies

e.g. if a dropped white has 1k power a crafted white has 1250 power

so that a crafted level 16/19 blue might be on par with a dropped level 29 green, roughly

[rugged gorge]

I fully believe whoever is working the econ changes cannot navigate decimal points in whatever code they're messing with. It happened with granite grinding stones and dollars to donuts its happening here too because theres no way this is intended and if it is intended the person making these decisions is clueless

[queen island]

What is the best recipe to grind weaponsmnith

[minor fossil]

So i have alot(to me) legendary granite and rubies but not sure if i can or should sell them

def need silver if im going to do any production

[sand cargo]

If I’m starting out trying to be a weaponsmith, what should I be doing? I’ve made one pair of daggers and it took hours of time, for only a small amount of XP

[copper pagoda]

just cry a lot inside, because it's going to hurt. takes over 15g to go from 0-10 in weaponsmithing

and that's with scrolls from the commission crates

[sand cargo]

Yep I’m out

[copper pagoda]

and i wish i was joking, but, i'm not. it's taken my guild of ~50 people to fund (and gather and share processing for) a single weaponsmith, and are still working on getting our carpenter up hopefully today

[sand cargo]

Bro what

That’s ..

I’m a solo player….

[copper pagoda]

still need our armorsmith to even start

but we ran out of money

as a solo player, you can't do apprentice, because it takes at least 6 crafts at apprentice to make a single weapon. and you can only promote 5 past novice

unless you use alts, but with 1 account solo, you'd have to find someone to trust to pass things between

[sand cargo]

Wait what

[sweet elk]

you can use a guild bank to pass stuff to your alt now

just need someone to help you invite your alts to it then ya good

[sand cargo]

Wait elaborate what do you mean 6 crafts

[copper pagoda]

mining, stonemasonry, metalworking, lumberjacking, lumbermilling just for novice

and grinding mobs for essences and glint for funding

[sand cargo]

Ugh

[copper pagoda]

weapon molds take herbalism + weaving + cooking/tanning (for fat) + fishing/hunting (for fish / animal to break into fat)

so sorry, 9 skills to make apprentice and higher weapons

you can only solo craft lvl 0 stuff because you can do everything on your own, it's just time consuming (gather, process, cash, etc)

[next fractal]

How do I upgrade to Journeyman Lumberjacking? It has a lock on level 20 and wont allow progression. I went to Woodshop outpost and selected upgrade to lumberjacking certificate from the foreman but it is still locked.

[civic bear]

That would seem to mean that the basic buildings only allow for getting the cert for level Apprentice and building the Settlement building/upgrading it to Journeyman is needed for the certification

[next fractal]

Where in Winstead do I acquire a Lumberjacking Journeyman certificate

[sand cargo]

I’m still novice is that why I haven’t seen any of those things

[indigo olive]

Whay artisan do i need for carpentry

What

I started carpentry, what else should i pick up

[woven stone]

Lumbermill
Woodcutting

[woven stone]

The best, and though not perfect(as you will need help from other crafters):

• Carpentry
• Lumbermill
• Lumberjacking
• Weaving

w/ Carpentry/Lumbermill being the two GMs

---

You will still need to work with Herbalist to get raw mats for weaving, but that should cover most bases with current in-game crafts

[crude scarab]

how do you create crates you carry?

[amber drum]

Is there any gathering/crafting 101 videos or guides you guys recommend? I just started and am currently a lvl 8 rogue. Made a cool shortbow and really enjoyed the process. I see people talking about apprentice, journeyman, and certifications. Looking for some material I could read to educate myself haha

[cursive sphinx]

What town will make the apprentice cooking building on Eu Lotharia? Or is there a way to level your certificate somewhere already?

[glass elbow]

Certificates can be leveled at their "starter station" east or west of lionhold regardless of overall server progress.

So for cooking, that's the little cookhouse and fishing pier to the northeast.

[cursive sphinx]

Ahh,, I went to the agricultural place. will run to the cookhouse. Thanks 😄

[glass elbow]

Any time. The actual NPC you are after is a chef standing near the entrance to that pier.

I do think some clarity on which trainer is at each location could be helpful.

[next fractal]

Where in Winstead do I acquire a Lumberjacking Journeyman certificate

[atomic mural]

If its not available at the Woodshop then might have to wait for Joeva to build the JM Woodshop

Speaking of which - where in Lionhold do I make the Construction Supplies? I did them in Hammers but nfi where it is in Riverlands

[spice star]

Is there an apprentice herbalism anywhere in the riverlands, please and thank you 😊

[atomic mural]

I'm thinking at the Lab next to the Emberspring but maybe wait for someone to confirm that if you aren't nearby

[spice star]

Thank you!

[spring berry]

Hey we want you to craft....so your gonna make it popssible to craft then right.....absofukinlutely not!!!! 9s for t2 reagent just to process wth

[glass elbow]

Yeah this whole situation with crafting and processing, and intrepid allegedly wanting us to do it is...

[atomic mural]

I just saw it at the Agricultural Supplier West of Lions other side of the river if you're still looking

[spring berry]

Even if you craft it you will have to hold it or sell for a loss because no one can buy it

[leaden zinc]

yeah, It's just no fun anymore

[vale cargo]

can you turn market crates into harbors?

[ebon carbon]

for EXP scrolls do you use @ Start or When picking up the mats ?

[ember quest]

Don't know why it won't let me craft this wand. I have all the stuff

Says

any ideas?

[sage walrus]

Maybe rubies being diff quality is bugging it? Tis my only guess

[hollow spade]

when do y'all think we'll get journeyman benches?

[atomic mural]

Woodshop in Joeva at 47%

[crystal bridge]

are there any heavy armor cleric options? @ the adept level and radiant?

[silver goblet]

All apprentice LW crafts have this issue. Because Intrepid doesn't wish to comment on it, our best guess is that there is a missing element... for example, all wands require wood, right? Except this one? As such, on the backend it is expecting you to load wood, but the UI hasn't been updated to reflect that requirement. As such, it is bricked until Intrepid gets around to fixing it. Quite literally all apprentice LW recipes available to me right now are unable to be crafted. The entire profession is bricked.

I wish Intrepid would come in here and tell us the actual problem... but you know, their "open development" makes that an impossible task

[ebon carbon]

Any Nodes working on a Smithy ?

[tall kernel]

is leather working table missing recipes i learned bearhide and some of the howling wolf recipes but they arent in my table

[stuck spear]

Hello, I can't make the "emerald" adept recipes, I'm an apprentice jewel. Is it the same for you too? I have the certification apprentice and I m at Winstead 🙂

[blazing trench]

Why is there no radiant crafting gear yet guys ?

Economy seems to be broken like it ever be

[limber oyster]

probably barely any non guild fed JM crafters and even basic radiant stuff something like 225 oak wood and 20 copper plus there reagents

[blazing trench]

Will there be a patch to fix it ?

[compact shore]

Just curious what the quickest way to level up weaponsmithing?

Is there a cheat sheet anywhere? just curious

[limber oyster]

no word from Intrepid, but a lot of feedback about the econ problems if you feel like reading.

[limber oyster]

find the cheapest recipe and make a lot of that basically, no real big difference for crafting different recipe's afaik

[blazing trench]

Yeah i agree, i just hit 25, now i would like to farm money but gathering is unsellable, leveling job ( like tailoring) is just too expensive for nothing

Do you guys have tips to up jobs ? I'm tailoring lvl 4 and crafting a gear give like ... 3%

[junior hedge]

Most armor leveling is best to make belts (least resource demand) and stack a bunch of resources to make a lot (30+) and use a crafting exp scroll. Can physically click about 30 in 5 mins and that should get you a few levels up each time.

[blazing trench]

@junior hedge oh ok ty for tips dude, but even if I lvl up 4 to 10, 10 to 20 is still no interesting ... many gold for nothing in it 🙁

[sweet elk]

Is it belts for all armor professions? so tailor/leatherworking/armorsmithing

[junior hedge]

Also no point in journeyman until the towns figure themselves out. Journeyman benches are still a ways away.

[junior hedge]

Basically. It’s the least resource demand for any craft and I haven’t seen a significant exp gain for more difficult crafts.

[sweet elk]

just checking, it used to be boots last phase 😄

[blazing trench]

@junior hedge What do you mean by towns figure themselves out ? You mean that radiant stuff can't be crafted yet because of benches ( aren't available now ?)

[junior hedge]

Any recipe that requires journeyman skill has to wait until the journeyman bench for that artisan is made. This is determined in each town which artisan they choose to make that level bench.

Currently the only bench I’ve seen chosen is in Joeva. They’ve chosen woodworking.

[blazing trench]

oh ok ty, so we have to wait like, few days or maybe week ? @junior hedge

[junior hedge]

That completely depends on mayors picking a bench and then the people applying the resources it needs.

[nova remnant]

From what I’ve heard leather working 10+ is basically bricked. Between not being able to craft, and other professions pouring out static mats

[gusty oracle]

Alot of artisan stuff seems broken

[unreal parcel]

Getting to Journeyman, crafting novice stuff seems to still be the most efficient aye

[unreal parcel]

Lv. 4 Winstead is able to do all Journeyman, they have 11 free plots

afaik

There is 8 Artisan plots to build, so 3 free plots for other stuff?
Will see

[spiral swallow]

Praying we get a chunk of artisan fixes tomorrow.

Been pretty quiet

[spice star]

Is there any nodes in the riverlands that have apprentice, mining, herbalism and fishing certificates?

@spiral swallow same

[unreal parcel]

I just wondered why i cant craft emerald stuff..

most of recipies arent showing

[unreal parcel]

They will come with the Journeyman stations, which we dont have yet

[spice star]

@unreal parcel well damn and thank you

[unreal parcel]

Yea it sucks :)

[spice star]

Is it the desert area that have journeyman benches...

[sharp elm]

Level 4 settlements have the ability to make journeyman benches on available plots

If you are on EU Winstead is the only settlement able to do so

[spice star]

@sharp elm Thank you unfortunately In Na

[sharp elm]

NA has more available then I believe

You will be able to find them at any stage 4 settlement, I’m on EU so I’m unsure as what you have over there but once mayors build on plots you will have availability @spice star

[spring mango]

Get those caravans flowing gamers

[dawn warren]

Pfft that's chump change. Hides my wallet with 12s in it

[lethal onyx]

anyone know how effective gathering quality is as a stat, with fixed rarity spawns existing does it even work at all?

does it just upscale the rarity of stuff u get or

based on rng

[crude finch]

Hmmmmmmm idk if that’s true……

[novel delta]

No its not that issue, many recipes misses half of their components (this one for example misses boards and powder) and leatherworking recipe mentioned above misses tanned skin or leather. Thats a big issue with crafting btw, i have bug reported it many times and no answer.
Also WE WONT BE ABLE TO CRAFT JM TOOLS when stations will be online since they all miss processed wood in their recipes.
Idk maybe i m missing something, but this is a 1 day work for some junior member of crafting team just to check all recipes on missing stuff.

[dawn warren]

I hope the JM tools are like the novice ones, they skipped apprentice for who knows why. But the novice tools allowed you to pick whatever processed wood. And those two look the same in the artisan tab

My guess in the past was this would be more common for done recipes, getting to pick what material you use, but I don't know any more or don't think they are even remotely close to implementing something like that

[novel delta]

99.9999% that its not, becasue on novice tools u had PROCESSED WOOD in recipe
u have no wood at JM recipe, means its bugged and uncraftable

also why would u make JM recipes more easy. Novice tools ahd any wood in recipe because its novice

[dawn warren]

I was saying they forgot to "fix" the recipe for apprentice. I wasn't sure for jm tools, I was just going off of the artisan tab where novice tools don't even show wood as a required material because of the changes they did.

[obsidian hinge]

Given how painful the processing costs are and that jewellery crafting needs Mats from both Riverlands for Physical and Anvils for Mag-focused items (and needs to be crafted at Tabletop Mountains or Riverlands/Wilderness) has anyone seen or worked out the optimal way to level Jewellery up to Apprentice and on to Journeyman (when the tools/benches are up) without going bankrupt or having cash support from a big guild?

The resale market is poor for low-level items. Has anyone done the math to determine which items to craft through Stonemasonry and metalworking to use the least expensive materials?

Thought I'd ask before I try to come up with a plan and end up reinventing the wheel. 😀

[dawn warren]

I did this on previous phases as well, whatever the common ruby/ 1 metal recipe is the easiest way to get all the way to jm. I'm already apprentice jeweler making only stillglade earrings. Just get the crafting exp scrolls either from commissions(chance) or get someone to craft better ones and have lots of mats ready

It will always be a huge money loss, but compared to the adept cost of crafting it saves money in the long run

[unreal parcel]

Where would i sell the commodity i buy in winstead?

Still new to that system and dont understand which city can even buy it

[spring mango]

When you create the crate of a certain city, you will travel to another city and sell the crate at the create commodity vendor at the mayor house.

• Needs to be a T3+ Town (Jeova, Winstead, Miraleth)

[unreal parcel]

Where did you get these commodities if i may ask? Is that all different cities in desert / tropics?

[crude finch]

it is so funking depressing seeing all these common mob drop weapons selling for 20g and we cant even fucking craft theses things

Mob farmers make money from glint AND get gear which we artisans can’t even craft. wtf is this system?!

[still pagoda]

what caravan run is that?
Sea or land?
What about the distance/locations

[unreal parcel]

You should have played phase 1, where even apprentice stations took more than a month to craft lv 10 gear

[crude finch]

My issue more than anything is fucking mob grinders have acsess to gear we can’t even fucking craft

We are literally less than useless at this point

30g for a common spell book level 20?!

Who tf has that much money? No artisan I’ll tell you that

[vocal juniper]

Yeah if you are crafting and not being financed by a guild... you are always broke

[leaden zinc]

And it better be a big guild

[wet quarry]

I question what they actually did since April on the economy. By the looks of what they released, they pulled something together a few weeks beforehand

[novel delta]

yea but in global this is good overhaul. but it needed some time to test(

right now major critical bug is that cities cannot advance since more than half buyorders are bugged and couldnt be done thats why buildings cannot be built

we could have t3 gathering already if its not that bug

[umbral crown]

I cant improve my certificate in winstead?

[summer elk]

who would have lv 20 weaponsmitting to craft tools? maybe big guilds pooling

[sand cargo]

Guys I don’t know if I can keep going with crafting

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-mr-incredible-not-strong-enough-gif-25547952

[nova remnant]

Do you guys think we are getting 3 new types of T1 wood on the other continent or is it going to be like “mirrored”. With an oak / ash, date wood /palm, hemlock/larch.

Like most MMOs, it’s usually best to rush endgame, get rich, then work backwards

[ionic river]

hmm. not liking the fact I have to buy reagants from the vendor.

[ebon obsidian]

does anyone know where i can find western larch wood in riverlands ?

[sand sparrow]

high altitude like by the mountains or on top of some hills

[ebon obsidian]

ty ty 🙂

[fervent wind]

It was said by Steven not too long ago that he wanted gatherers to be able to make their own tools... deviating from that was a HUGE change and one I honestly can't stand

Especially seeing how many mats it takes to work those skills

[rugged gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[fervent wind]

That's insane!!!

[rugged gorge]

boards take 1 hour to make btw

[fervent wind]

And I thought the 22.5 minutes for a tin ingots was bad

Why does @marsh vigil hate crafting lmao

[pliant flare]

🙏 you're only gonna need to login to your freehold once a month

[wide scroll]

Genuinely so tone deaf

[sharp canyon]

Alright so I'm about to hit level 10 and I see there's these level 10 daggers i can make. the materials are reasonable. But some of them are apprentive level.

Is the only way to be able to craft boards, for example, to grind lumber milling all the way to level 10?

[crude finch]

its not just tone deaf its like factually verifiably wrong

[sharp canyon]

and then to craft the daggers, i have to craft tons of other lower level daggers to grind THAT to level 10 too?

is that all correct?

[wide scroll]

Yea, sadly you've missed the boat for (and Intrepid screwed up) the early game economy where you'd have been able to level weapon smithing and recoup costs by selling that gear back into the economy.

[sharp canyon]

so basically, im hitting level 10, but to get my level 10 weapon I'm looking at at good 2 weeks of gametime?

[wide scroll]

So you'll need to grind it out and vendor/deconstuct what you make

[wide scroll]

Yea, things are fucked right now. Many of us have reported this in detail to the devs via feedback. Nothing has really been acknowledged so far.

[pliant flare]

you are far better off buying those same daggers on the market, unless your goal is to become a crafter

[sharp canyon]

am i?

[wide scroll]

Yea

[sharp canyon]

where can i view what they are going for?

that might be the deciding factor of whether i quit this game lol

that kind of grind is too insane for me

[wide scroll]

It's very unlikely this is the final state of crafting FWIW, the community is up in arms at the moment

[sharp canyon]

is there an auction house?

[wide scroll]

Kind of, in >=T3 nodes

[sharp canyon]

so where would i buy these daggers?

[wide scroll]

One of those nodes, or via /trade chat channel

[sharp canyon]

whats a T3 node?

im so new

im currently in Miraleth

[wide scroll]

Winstead in the Riverlands is probably your best bet, it's one node over from Miraleth

[sharp canyon]

i dont mind grinding my gathering levels at all

but if all my basic gear is just locked beyond an almost impossible grind...

[left parrot]

if you’re on Shol go to Winstead and go to the marketplace, there’s a guy you talk to that is the auction house and you can search by item name and quality

[left parrot]

crafting is pretty messed up right now and not worth doing unless you really want to test it. gathering is fine and you can just sell the good mats on the auction house for gold.

I wouldn’t call it an impossible grind, but it is definitely a grind

[pliant flare]

The current version of the economy is brand new, and has several progression-blocking bugs at the moment. It may not even be possible to craft those daggers in game right now (some apprentice recipes are not showing up on the crafting benches). Welcome to testing an alpha lol

You can expect things to be fixed over time, but which things get fixed first we have no idea

[sharp canyon]

even just level up seems more grindy than the korean mmos i played when i was young lol

level 9 to 10 is like a full day of grinding

[severe axle]

join a group and hit a grind spot

[wide scroll]

If you are in a good group at a POI it's less than an hour, there's a steep learning curve in this game

[severe axle]

even solo it doesnt take that long if you always pick up commissions, do zone events, etc.

but 9 to 10 is also a bad example because it has an extra xp jump, 10 to 11 actually takes less xp than 9 to 10

[sharp canyon]

ahhh

are there groups dedicated to grinding xp?

[left parrot]

and unless you’re gathering/processing/crafting, generally speaking solo is tough

[left parrot]

yeah tons. check the lfg channel.

[severe axle]

remember that ashes is built around the old school mmo idea that a multiplayer game should actually be multiplayer. Social interactions arent side activities but part of the core gameplay loop. Playing in a group, working together with a guild, etc. is to be seen as the norm, not the exception.

[sharp canyon]

yeah im a social player

like i also dont mind giving my mats to a player who has artisan unlocked so they can craft for me, etc.

im assuming thats where big guilds can help

[pliant flare]

yeah definitely

[wide scroll]

There'll be people selling weaponsmithing services in the higher level nodes, so this is definitely a good option, you'll be asked to pay a tip though, and to have potentially processed the materials yourself or to cover the cost if you cant

[severe axle]

when I'm around solo, i usually farm lower level enemies for glint and earn some on the side with commissions, then use that money to buy gear for group farming

[sharp canyon]

where is this auction house guy in Winstead?

[severe axle]

RIP EU, cant find anyone to make oak boards for me for three days now

[wide scroll]

Yea many crafters have given up now because all the Apprentice/JM recipes are bugged 🤦‍♂️

The thing that makes me most sad is that the Anvils vendors are still selling Riverlands recipes 2 weeks after launch. A trivial fix for sure but nobody seems to care enough to fix it 🙁

[severe axle]

in what sense are they bugged?

[wide scroll]

You can't make 90% of them at the crafting benches, they just don't appear.

Quite a few bug threads covering it - it's mainly lvl 16 / 19 and above recipes.

[severe axle]

ah i see, yea I've just been trying to find people to help me with my lvl 10 weapons

got all mats, but far from lvl 10 in lumbermilling

[woven stone]

Does SHOL have JM craft stations somewhere? Is that what im hearing?

[wide scroll]

No, sorry, I mean Apprentice, not JM. My bad.

[sharp canyon]

okay so the daggers go for like 1 gold lol

i've never had that much before

[wide scroll]

That's far less than you'd have to pay to level up the crafting FWIW

[sharp canyon]

absolutely

[severe axle]

grind low level enemies for glint

[sharp canyon]

just wondeing how i can make that kind of money without glint farming forever

yeah?

like how low?

im level 9

[severe axle]

i just do the goblins because there's a lot of them and they can be AoE'd

[sharp canyon]

im also a rogue...

[wide scroll]

Glint farming in a group fighting elites - also gather materials in downtime and if you find heroic/epic/legendary quality materials sell them at the same market and you'll make gold quite quickly.

[pliant flare]

usually i get my first gold around level 8 or 9

[severe axle]

also did some harvesting, i sell the common wood, every stack of 20 is 1 silver

[wide scroll]

Alternatively - do commissions from the commision boards - some of the scrolls you get as rewards are quite valuable.

[severe axle]

do the early quests, they give a bit of glint fast

[sharp canyon]

rogues suck at aoe i think?

[severe axle]

i think at 9 you can join a cathedral group

[sharp canyon]

cathedral group?

[severe axle]

made around 30s from glint in one hour and almost a whole level of xp in that

a group grinding the cathedral POI for xp

[sharp canyon]

where is the cathedral?

[sharp canyon]

got ya

[severe axle]

duplicate common recipes like copper rings or so can also be sold for a few silver at merchants

i also like to do a round south of Lionhold, do the grem, raven, wolf and bandit commissions in a line, then repeat. Lots of glint from low lvl enemy drops, more from the commissions, and slow but steady xp

and you can level hunting quite well there, too

[fickle compass]

Well with the new carpentry bench up we can now make JM bows

heres the math to build one on gold alone

Grain Sealer resin -->846 x300 253g8s
Woodworkers oils 33 x300 9g9s
Sanding powder ---> 33 x100 3g3s
Riverland essence --->50 = 1g
Braidwood timber-->2 x 47s46c = 94s97c
Flat processing -->25x100 , 85x200 , 180x300 73g5s

thats IF you have the mats ready :DDDDDDDDDD

around 350g

to make 1 item :D

[sweet elk]

you didnt put the hours to process it too 🙂

[native pilot]

no sweat right???!!!

[wide scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/ni-ki-niki-enhypen-enha-duck-gif-12691635353022221985

[left parrot]

actually you can’t, all the recipes are glitched, so at least it’s not even possible to punt away like 500g for no reason

[fickle compass]

like iwa s gonna xD

but ya man , thats jsut depresing

[sharp kettle]

yeah, the numbers definitely need to be reworked. The scaling and cost of processing mats and fees make it impossible to keep up with the drop market.

[glass elbow]

What is alarming to me is that someone at intrepid thought these numbers were reasonable in the first place.

This is absolutely beyond the pale. All it would take is spot checking any random recipe for sanity to see that this is completely absurd. Yet clearly that did not happen.

[sharp kettle]

My thought is that this is intentionally high so they can test drop rates and market conditions on a fresh server, then they will lower the mats required and processing costs once they have the drop data they need. If that is NOT the case, then there are just people who are bad at math.

[glass elbow]

This is like sitting down at a nice restaurant and then finding out that the head chef believes lead consumption is healthy.

[sharp kettle]

This is like sitting down in a restaurant with everything being overpriced but the specials for the evening.

[sand sparrow]

where does this recipe need grain sealer resin, and woodworker oil is 33 copper not silver

[sand sparrow]

the math is actually wrong on almost every part ??

[fickle compass]

went to joeva

and did the math there

feel free to go in game and check it

id rather be wron tbh so please

[sand sparrow]

grain sealer = not needed,you need grainlock wax which is 33c each for dried ash boards
woodworker oil* is 33c in joeva
sanding power is 33c in joeva

it's more like 8g, still super high but not 250g+ high

[left parrot]

did you remember to add the processing costs from the bench? he’s wrong on the grain lock but he had the woodworker’s oil right

oh I see he did get it wrong

he was making them 3.3s not 33 copper I think?

100 x 33c = 33s not 3.3g

[sand sparrow]

Yeah dried ash is 1s 64c, ash board is 77c, timber is 23c - some jm processing can cost 1g+ each, app too, but that recipe is mostly novice

[sharp kettle]

If you lower your proficiency in a craft, do you lose levels? IE. You are 20 in metalworking, but decide to demote it to novice. Do you lose those 10 levels?

[fickle compass]

yerp your right i thought it was grainsealer resin , diffrent mat

takes alot of the overall , so its - 100g , thank god

ok so with that its more like 115ish instead ... if oyu have the mats

........ a bit more possible i guess ..... if your doing legendary lol ,

no shot im doing that for anything lower thats for sure xD

[meager wagon]

its 2 milk to make 1 butter and it takes 2 cows to get 2 milk at 6 silver 40 copper a cow it costs me 12 silver 80 for 1 butter!? These are whole food prices! I can't shop there! I'm more of a dollar general kind of guy!

[torn fiber]

Yes

[lethal onyx]

do fixed spawns change every time server resets

[calm depot]

Anyone know what mobs drop runeweld emblems ?

[obsidian slate]

In the Anvils region, where is the specialist to promote lumberjacking?

[vagrant horizon]

are commodity crates worth nothing even if you travel them very far ?

[sweet elk]

what are you calling very far? also when you have the crate you can shift click them and itll tell you how much theyre worth to everywhere.

Though i think the exact amount isnt correct

[orchid trout]

Yeah you do lmao it sucks

Well it will go to 10

[orchid trout]

The crafting fees are so high it’s fkn stupid

Plz fix @dense sable

[fickle compass]

Fixed math its now 105g for a bow ... still rough

but more doable .... i guess xD

will be very hard to sell even a Epic bow for 150g

with hawk bows and Bloodsight going for 30-40g on server right now its just not very usefull

in the end its the same with armor till the fixes. but thats fine its alhpa .... phase 1-2 the mats were to low .... this time its two high

jsut like goldielox the third will be jsut right

[vagrant horizon]

Commodity crate prices won’t go above 3 gold for a heroic if u travel across the world ?

[woven sinew]

Is farming currently gated/blocked? I cannot craft anything that is above novice level. (im lvl 14 farming). Spent nearly all my currency on kava melon seeds, just to find them not usable yet.

[sweet elk]

Has anyone worked out what the cheapest way to level carpentry is?

Doesn't seem making carriages is cheap this time around

[left parrot]

brooksteel bows is bis

[orchid trout]

Lowest level cheapest shit is always the best

[onyx ferry]

Might not be the best place to ask and if that's the case I apologize, but I'm currently leveling as a mage but the only class I'm actually interested in playing is the summoner.

Is there a way I could productively spend my time on my mage prepping for the summoner release (maybe getting gear ready for or) or are we expecting a wipe between now and it's release?

I guess really what should I focus on profession wise to prep gear for it if it's possible

[tight galleon]

how to increase the mining rairity chance, the apprentice axe for lumber jack has an increase to rarity but not pick?

[vocal plover]

Check out the mining clothing it may have quality chance on it

[vocal plover]

Well not much is really known for the class. I would gather materials in general. Keeping high quality mats ready to use once the class comes out. But being actually prepared for it is kinda hard considering we don't know what they plan to do when it's released.

[onyx ferry]

Ah I guess that's a fair point. Alright thank you!

[primal torrent]

I disagree with you even if it's unpopular to do so

[twilit sparrow]

Can anyone on the EU server craft a whole animal husbandry outfit ?

[vocal plover]

why do you disagree?

[orchid trout]

i just claimed 220 green ash timber, server crashed and after logging in its gone from my inventory and not in the crafting queue ?????????

what is going on

@dense sable

[wooden canyon]

Where can you fish in tropics ? water everywhere yet i couldn't seem to find a spot i was able to fish at ?

[placid schooner]

In principle sea fishing is not yet available, so that's probably why

[tawdry gyro]

Probably a stupid question, but is it intended to have materials available in the wild every few hours only to get killed by people spawn camping those?

[wooden canyon]

It is intended for people to fight over scarce ressources if it is what you are asking yes

[lunar temple]

i had this happen to me in p2. when you claim an item as the server dies/resets from a crafting job or proscessing, they are eaten by the void. im sorry

[tawdry gyro]

Hmmm. Seems kind of pointless to make high quality materials difficult acquire like that. Though if they intend to keep it, fine. Just wondering how intended it is to have a set respawn timer on materials spawning and have a guild or a big group of people killing people. Maybe doing random spawn times + making the levelling of the other skills more time consuming would be more gamer friendly. Right now it feels more like a job, setting a timer to get the material and bodyguards

[lunar temple]

pvp to contest resources is a core design philosophy of the game as a whole

However, completely static rarity spawns like they have now are not intended. they tried to remove it in favor of pure RNG a bit ago but it broke so they had to revert it. it returns

[tawdry gyro]

Ok, so git gud and preferably jobless breathe it is an alpha

[glass elbow]

There is one singular river where you can fish, easily spotted on the map. But yeah it sucks that we can't fish from the sea itself.

[wooden canyon]

tyvm good sir, i saw it but didnt get time to check yesterday

[lament shell]

Is there a most efficient process to level weaponsmithing? Grinding out specific recipes or some such, or is it still too early into P3..?

[lament shell]

That'd be sweet to just chill out in the open waters aboard your ship with some buddies and fish away the evening

[south cradle]

Brooksteel shields straight to journeyman, the increased cost for other crafts far outweighs the gain in XP.

[lament shell]

Thanks for the answer AND the explanation!

[lethal onyx]

the armor does

its just swapped for some of the professions, so the ones where their tool gives gathering quality, their armor gives gathering xp instead just like pick

so Miner's Shirt

[knotty copper]

Hey anyone got the proper recipe for the JM hunting bow? If I just check the Lifeskill menu it says 1 thread 1 ingot I highly doubt that s right

[primal torrent]

Because of the type of game this is, as simple as that.

[vocal plover]

please explain what type of game this is?? Because as I see it, crafting is supposed to be a big part of the game, and yet most people are already level 25 either using drops or gear that was crafted for much lower level players.

[vocal plover]

No one has the type of gold needed to create just the common level of GEAR. Forget crafting an item in epic or legendary, when you need over 300 pieces from just one of the several large amounts of items needed, not to mention the gold needed.

[primal torrent]

I have been over my opinion multiple times in this chat. Not really interested in going over it again and again. The constant whining and complaining is old at this point. Leveling crafting will always be a grind nothing is going to change that.

[vocal plover]

well see not everyone gets to see your post since there is a lot of posts and things move up. so if you aren't interested in going over it, why say anything at all?

[primal torrent]

Ya well I have a feedback post if you really want to know how I feel.

[vocal plover]

also the "Winning and complaining" is what will help the devs find the sweet spot the game needs to be in

[glass elbow]

The current state of crafting and the economy is all the proof anyone needs to recognize that it is utterly broken and will be adjusted. Believing otherwise is genuinely delusional.

[primal torrent]

All I will say is the gear drops are the only thing I agree with, they are hurting the game.

[primal torrent]

Sure this isn't the final model but crafting will always be hard to get into and a grind to level

[glass elbow]

When you manage to make even your diehard fans who have paid hundreds of dollars to test abandon a system, it is very obviously a failure.

[primal torrent]

Like anything you try to solo in Ashes, the key is to coordinate with other players

[glass elbow]

Obviously it will be a grind. Everything in this game is and will be a grind.

[vocal plover]

it is when the Grind outdoes the gameplay

[glass elbow]

Grinds are generally worth doing, however.

The current professions grind is not.

[primal torrent]

That's my point but coming in here without any type of real feedback except saying this is fucking stupid is not helpful

[vocal plover]

spending a week to make an item that drops in a dungeon after a few hours of Grinding, Not working as intended

[primal torrent]

Yep gear drops are a problem

[vocal plover]

I don't disagree with that Rip, My question to you was why you disagreed with the person

[glass elbow]

Even ignoring the drop issue, the state of gathering and crafting is laughable even without it being undermined. You can spend 100% of your time doing nothing but gathering and crafting and you will still vastly out-level anything you can make. That isn't viable whatsoever.

[primal torrent]

Because I am not having a hard time with crafting I am enjoying the grind and materials gathering. I am an old head crafter that played SWG and crafting should be a way to play the game.

[vocal plover]

so you are able to earn lots of gold as well as farm the materials to make items?

what items have you managed to create?

[primal torrent]

System isn't perfect but this is testing and I posted my fixes in the feedback section

[primal torrent]

Couple bows, fishing poles and gathering materials for a dagger. While contributing to other crafters in my guild to level their profession

Also had success selling things like ash and oak boards that other crafters need.

Also what is rewarding to someone is not the same to others.

[primal torrent]

Further more earning "lots of gold" while you level crafting isn't how it should work you should be able to make enough to continue leveling it, which you are able to do. Part of the problem is people are pricing things way over what they should be.

[cedar moat]

Hey @primal torrent have you tested the scrolls to confirm?

[blazing trench]

Looking for good daffodil spots guys please

[novel delta]

well i am with you on this matter but we, two could have been only to have this opinion.
i m sure this thing is only barrier between us and inflation.
I was asking for porper goldsink for full p2.5 and this did it, GJ interpid

[crude finch]

i dont need lots of gold but neough toi pay for all my shit and have some left to persue personal projects would be nice 🙂

[honest stirrup]

West of Seph

[blazing trench]

@zinc viper gonna try ty

[novel delta]

also idk why NA has JMs and we have bugged buy orders

[honest stirrup]

I don’t mind paying a leg and a kidney for these crafting materials to craft, but if im doing that for a lvl 10 gear while someone else gets a lvl 20 from 10 min grinding, it kills your drive

[tepid magnet]

they have it too, but they use alternative comission like this

[novel delta]

well is there any info how to send QUALITY WEAPONS and BUILDING RSOURSES so they woint be bugged?
ALL EU would be greatful for this infos

or whom should i contact with?

[tepid magnet]

idk about weapons, but alternative BUILDING RSS i think not bugged bcz NA have woodshop JM

[obsidian hinge]

Any idea when you need to use the 5-minute Processing XP scrolls? Before you put the mats in and start the processing cycle or before you collect the processed mats after?

[copper pagoda]

Before you hit start

[novel delta]

any info whom i can contact with to know what they used for woodshop?

[tepid magnet]

0 idea, mb log in NA server and check mayor name

[novel delta]

ye you right ty

[hollow spade]

anyone know what the mats will be for journeyman lumberjack axe when we get it?

[fervent wind]

Probably 20 tin ingots a Slate Weapon mold and probably a few willow wood/timber/boards

[novel delta]

recipe is bugged right now i guess

if they wont fix it - we cant craft that axe

[fervent wind]

A TON of recipes are screwed...

[novel delta]

but this one is critical for progress, withotu those tools we cant progress

[fervent wind]

The "economy rework" was hurried it seems... I think they thought the changes of 2.5 would fix it... but that was not the case and they had to re-think it

I have 0% confidence in the econ team at this point unfortunately... Gathering is FINALLY in an ok spot... everything else is just either broke, disconnected, poorly implemented, bugged or just simply missing

[hollow spade]

finally found a willow last night and it was bugged in a rock 🫠

[verbal river]

is the adept jeweler still bug ?

[novel delta]

what was bug?

[verbal river]

some artisan told me it was impossible to craft this

[novel delta]

u need t3 city in anvils XD

iamgine how many recipes impossible because only t3-t4 town will be in riverlands

[verbal river]

oh okay thanks

[primal torrent]

XP scrolls work when you pick up for processing

[pliant hatch]

When it comes to making mounts, do I need a rare mount (green, blue purple etc.) for it to be faster? ive been trying to farm but only get common (grey) ones

[cedar moat]

glad to have you confirm thanks!

[cedar moat]

not atm, in the future they will have more health and better buffs to their abilityies when these come out

[fervent wind]

Except when settlement destruction is turned on... every village and town will burn long before the tables get built lol

[pliant hatch]

so is there anyway to get a faster mount or are they all 135%?

[cedar moat]

ofcourse

they go up to 165% atm or 230% in water

[pliant hatch]

gotcha and is it just the type of animal or can you get like a 165% bear for example?

[cedar moat]

for now just specific ones

[blazing trench]

As tailoring lvl 10, where can I buy some apprentice receipe please ?

[primal torrent]

Farm mobs for them to drop

[blazing trench]

no more npc so @primal torrent ?

[primal torrent]

Nope

[blazing trench]

i'm looking for some easy receipe like shirts or satchels

[primal torrent]

Check journeyman tailor station whenever we get one

[blazing trench]

yeah i'm gonna check it out in 2026 😮

[primal torrent]

There's some stuff for carpenter's journeyman station but they are bugged it seems

[blazing trench]

oh ok

[dawn geyser]

What is the best way to get this?

[marsh knot]

x\

[blazing trench]

Any tailorer 10+ here ? Seems that all job are useless yet ? Should I up my tailoring lvl 20 and wait till the bench is up ?

[sharp kettle]

I mean, I hope you have a ton of money banked up.

[primal torrent]

Just be smart about leveling it its a grind but you can do it

[vestal vortex]

Santa Claus is coming to town?

[umbral vortex]

is the forsaken bows bugged and dont show on page for carpentry?

[sacred laurel]

Where can I go to craft something that requires it to be in the Tabletop Mountains? Is that going to be north towards new starter area?

I noticed when I went to node to craft in the Riverlands that the other recipe wasn't available. Is there a way to see what area is technically in the Tabletop Mountains??

[dawn warren]

Tabletop mountains means the anvils

[sacred laurel]

Thank you!

[copper lynx]

Do you know if carpenter's bags are bugged as well/what tools if any are unbugged

[primal torrent]

Haven't tried but I really doubt 1 bolt is the correct mats

[copper pagoda]

carpenter bags are also bust on app and journeyman tables

[limber oyster]

Neat who drops it?🤦

[minor fossil]

hmm how valuable is t1 epics and legendaries?

[faint jacinth]

ITS CRAFTED

BY A CRAFTER

[copper pagoda]

it is? someone actually managed to get JC up to 20 already? well hell i stand corrected

FUCK YEAH CRAFTER !!

finally caught up to drops level in game

[limber oyster]

you got the two buildings up too in NA?

[faint jacinth]

We have lvl 20 WS jewel leather carp AE as a small group

No reason larger guilds dont also have this

Besides incompetence

[copper pagoda]

large guilds do not view crafting as necessary, it's something some of them do after they hit 25 between killing lowbies

[copper pagoda]

i tip all of my hats to y'all, well done, amazing

[crude finch]

wait radiant stuff can be crafted now?

[copper pagoda]

JM stoneworks and Lumber Mill are up

so carpentry and jewelcraft (and all JM tools)

[hollow spade]

are crate runs really worth it?

[pliant flare]

https://tenor.com/view/well-no-and-yes-bilbo-bagins-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-denying-gif-4084764543256332863

[crude finch]

but tools are weaponsmith?

and is this us or eu?

[copper pagoda]

US, Shol

[crude finch]

lame

no such nice things on eu xD

[ashen lodge]

Can you craft jm picksxe ?

[drifting quiver]

Haven't mined in alpha 3 yet, is there a good place with a ton of beginner mining nodes to hit?

[orchid trout]

how much is legendary coal worth ?

[sharp kettle]

Are jewelry recipes at apprentice not working? There are only a few a friend can make, but they should have access to a lot more. They set their certificate to apprentice and some of the recipes are not showing up on the bench even though they should be unlocked

[wide lynx]

Am I missing something or are the ingredients for novice and apprentice tools the same?

Processed timber and processed weaponmold just mean any timber and weaponmold?

[fervent wind]

Rn nothing because journeyman crafting is either not available because the station isn't built OR bugged out recipes. Either way... it's not a usable ingredient at the current time

[fervent wind]

Doesn't apprentice require Larch?

[wide lynx]

yah, but that's not any more difficult to find or gather compared to ash/oak

So it felt like it's the same

[fast swan]

Why being lvl 20 crafter when its complet useless broken 😄 crafting apprentice weapon or so cost like 3g..not including the time and now Look at lvl 20 this all.. is useless

[faint jacinth]

Tools will be fixed soon
Jewelry is functional (epic steelboom jewels are quite nice)
AE is cheap

[fast swan]

Processing costs are the same? Look at armoring and weaponsmith...they could ez fix the most broken issue at the game but they do nothing..people already leaving so much

[faint jacinth]

Wtf is your point

Don't @ me with your whining

[fast swan]

When you dont get it then i cant help you 😄 whatever

[blazing trench]

any tailorer here ? what's the point of leveling this job ?

[orchid trout]

well that was aids

[blazing trench]

and do you even make some gold with ? @orchid trout

[orchid trout]

well

not yet hahaha

[next fractal]

Is there a noticeable speed difference between novice and apprentice lumberjack axe? I don't appreciate any change and the quantity gathered is the same.

[rocky steppe]

no noticeable change from crude starter to heroic apprentice - except durability

[fierce mango]

does anyone know how to get recipe for the tailor s apprentice?
does the NPC exist or if the current recipes are all dropped ？

[nocturne pendant]

Friends interested in artisan stuff are quitting left and right, has there been any acknowledgement of the issues with the costs?

[wheat void]

diabolical

[opaque phoenix]

Are they not getting any money of their own to invest into crafting - the leveling in my mind from many other games I've played should not be cheap? I spent a significant amount of money solo to get Tailoring Apprentice last time around and had to cooperate with other players to get all the materials I needed. Someone was claiming novice crafts were 10x the actual cost I'd found, has anyone documented the cost somewhere when they've said it's "too expensive" ?

[fervent hound]

The crafters who aren't crying and quitting all the time will make serious bank at endgame due to lack of competition. System working as intended imo.

[analog mulch]

I don’t know what games you have played but imo, in games like ESO and New World the cost of leveling artisan skills was very high depending on how fast you want to level it, the fastest is to just buy all materials needed with gold and then craft it but the cheapest which obviously was profitable was getting out there and gathering the needed mats yourself, this should never be losing money because then neither your gathering or crafting is yielding money and you basically need to do a completely other activity such ss mob grinding to be able to craft which is stupid

If you do every single step in the gathering, processing, crafting and selling in Phase 3 you are losing both money and time which is a very weird system

[lunar temple]

well ESO isnt a fair comparison because 98% of crafting exp there was deconstructing

[analog mulch]

Not alchemy, enchanting and those

[lunar temple]

enchanting was most definitely decon.

alchemy and cooking was craft spam though yes.

but max level in like 5 mins if you had the materials

[analog mulch]

Yes I am not saying the pace or system was flawless but the foundation that if you do every single step yourself the cost is the time you spend

[opaque phoenix]

You lost me at what I think is "vendoring crafted items at a profit" is that how they did it in ESO/NW? I came from DAoC and those random weird games that I didn't play long like Vanguard or whatever but crafting always cost and it was a big thing to invest enough either yourself or with help and then be the one of a not a lot or a little amount of players willing to make the items. In Camelot nearly all endgame gear was made by someone and it was expensive to level up that high and you always lost money when vendoring that loot you could sell bits to other crafts that they needed or trade which I think occurs here as well to absorb some of the costs.

[fervent hound]

These guys want to get rich from making shitty levelling gear people outgrow in a few days.

[analog mulch]

I am not saying that the vendoring part is where the money is made, it could be when processing or gathering it but now it’s a lose in all stages.

[opaque phoenix]

I did everything but the wood components for tailoring last phase just to see if I could with my own money and did alright, vendored or sold logs/rocks at the marketplace traded for boards to make bolts.

[glass elbow]

Nobody wants to get rich off of shitty leveling gear.

People want shitty leveling gear to be worth making and selling so that people don't run around using starter weapons until level 20.

[lunar temple]

60c for processing a single copper frag adds up very quick and is murder on fresh noobs

[glass elbow]

There's a wife gulf between getting rich and something being worth doing at all.

[opaque phoenix]

I expected to not turn a profit in any step from the NPC interaction component ie crafting the item itself or vendoring when I introduced another player is when I had potential for profit for something I'd crafted if it was something someone else might need, not 90 pairs of common gloves

[fervent hound]

Crafting levelling should be hard. Hard on time, hard on the wallet. The payoff is at endgame when crafters make the best shit and make bank. If it's not hard everyone will be doing it and the market collapses due to over competition. This is basic economics.

[opaque phoenix]

But this is for the purpose of leveling up the craft no? Not for selling each fragment individually?

[analog mulch]

prices will become what people will pay and what supply there is, not collapse. Thats basic economics

[lunar temple]

either. got to have a large ammount of money in the first place to get the levels to make anything that breaks a profit. but if you cant make profit from selling a level 20 item thats sold for like 10g as a mob drop but costs you at least 5x that in processing and vendor fees alone...

[glass elbow]

If crafting is expected to be a major way to obtain gear during the leveling process (which it is) then crafters need to be able to punch out leveling gear without it being a black hole of money that isn't worth engaging in.

[opaque phoenix]

I've seen several people took the time to level up at cost WC to sell gathering tools and seem to be making a killing, another person just doing lumber that said they make money selling, another in global doing what few AC recipes work (lol) and making money selling those items sometimes.

[fervent hound]

Price is only determined by supply and people undercutting each other to get their shit sold

[lunar temple]

im not in the camp that thinks crafters should have full reign on all gear or to make absurd profits at every stage.

But the current system i'd likely break tos telling you my exact thoughts on how much of a mess it is

[opaque phoenix]

That disparity is down to the devs to tweak it was managed in DAoC (and other games, camelot sort of did crafted items unique but equivalent or better when spellcrafted to dropped items until later in its life) to set minimum and maximum prices. The difference was you could make a sometimes-dropped item at any time and then you'd need to hope to find one on the market that someone looted and was selling. As we are now we're barely one node leveled and only those sweaty guys that tried to lock down the market with loot drops probably trying to do the same this phase I imagine it'll change over time once crafting is functional.

[ornate relic]

i need help plz. i learn a apprantic crafting recipe but cannot see the crafting option in the apptrans crafting station. what do i wrong?

[glass elbow]

The amount of gatekeeping surrounding level 10 gear I have seen from some people in here is laughable and frankly pathetic.

[lunar temple]

you expected intrepid not to break everything above novice tier

really though all we can do there is wait for them to fix that issue as well

[opaque phoenix]

Does it match the area you're in "requires: tabletop mountains" "requires: Riverlands?"

[ornate relic]

can i see that after i leard the recepe?

[glass elbow]

Indeed. Everything is a waiting game at the moment. There are just a lot of levels on which things need to be fixed before anything resembling a healthy economy can emerge.

[opaque phoenix]

I'm launching the game but it should show in mouseover in the P crafting menu?

[lunar temple]

currently though for crafting as a whole, my main gripe is the added in vendor trash materials. that entire part of the recipie needs to be reverted back to P2 back in january. its that awful.

Second, is the absurd overall quantity of material later on. i dont think anyone can even hold that much material on their person to make one of those higher end journyman crafts. let alone trying to actually level things past journeyman. And no, using higher end bags currently is not a valid argument because you need say, jounrey mining cert to have a journey mining bag equipt. wont let you otherwise. they'd need to introduce massive material bags that have near as many slots as a node bank that everyone can use once they obtain it

[opaque phoenix]

some recipes aren't going to show up at all in crafting stations apparently until something is adjusted I guess.

[ornate relic]

can not see it

[opaque phoenix]

I crafted from storage in phase 2.. was that removed?

It was sort of like crafting in a station in Eve when I was doing Tailoring last phase

[umbral vortex]

Same i cant see those ones as well

[lunar temple]

didnt know you could do that. didnt work at the start of the year. that helps...but if things increase as they are unchanged in the exponential growth of material quantity for master and grand master items, bank space wont be enough either!

[ornate relic]

ty, so its buggy i guess

[copper lion]

Iv been keeping up by just mass gathering till inventory fills, sell every common/uncommon to the vendor then craft the remainder. Or just gather outside your preferred specialty and sell the high quality goods. The latter seems better

[opaque phoenix]

I think I was getting to point where I wanted two of my storage upgrades to be dedicated to one type of item but don't know if they actually functioned to have larger stacks last phase I just vendored lower tier mats or sold them on marketplace

[lunar temple]

i can confirm that works now at least. stack size on par with a novice bag give or take 3 items

[opaque phoenix]

I can see how the cost can be frustrating especially for people coming from less punishing games in that way I guess but I'm not thinking it's broken myself at the moment I guess once I see Journeyman costs I'll be

[lunar temple]

however the slot size is near a third or so of the general storage. so...its not that far different from a general storage tab

[lunar temple]

some of them literally cost 3 digits in gold cost between the processing/crafting tax and the cost of buying vendor only reagents.

and the aforementioned sheer quantity of overal material in the final craft

[opaque phoenix]

It looks like PTR in July (?) according to wiki was messing around with guild warehouses allowing I imagine permission-based access to large storage of items for crafting.

[lunar temple]

i think old school runescape might do crafting better tbh. All recipes were relatively small in material cost per action. good bit of processing or mob farm between materials to final product. had avenues for some BIS items that cost a fortune and a half. some that gave the best leveling exp at a loss in money. and still some at near every tier that was much slower, but reliable break even or small return in coin

[glass elbow]

A guild warehouse full of materials should not be necessary to craft a midrange sword.

The concept is absurd on its face.

[opaque phoenix]

I guess I'll look up a recipe for are you saying Adept sword range items?

[lunar temple]

while still having the over all item to exp to level ratios on par if not actually larger than ashes

I still remember the days of 3 hours smelting ingots, then 1 hour cutting gems. another 3 of making the jewelry and finally another 4 enchanting it all.

Good times.

i will still stand by the statement of;

The state of crafting items in general irrespective of monetary profit or workbench availability, was better in phase 2.

[glass elbow]

Yes go look into the material quantities needed for adept weapons, and the costs of vendor mats and processing fees for those components. If you scroll up and look at attachments on this channel, you can find some examples to work with.

[lunar temple]

phase 3 seems like it was made people who have never done crafting or actively hate crafters

[glass elbow]

Assume all gathered materials are completely free if you like. (None of them aside from legendary have any value in the current system anyway.)

[opaque phoenix]

It'd take ages to get set up for building a ship or like I was trying to do, sell a lot of ships and days of material purchasing, gathering, processing with fees for everything unless you anchored your own facilities but that only worked for some things.

[dry forge]

to be able to craft , i need to start in anvils????

how is this fair

why

for what reason

[lunar temple]

but it was Accessible. p3 ashes crafting isnt unless you have half a guild feeding you gold and materials

[opaque phoenix]

That item needs a station physically there, if you're in the Riverlands the Academic gear is Riverlands - and there's a lot more pieces of it available Anvils only has chest, boots, leggings.

[lunar temple]

for that specific shirt, yes.

you want to craft the acedemic aegis one

[opaque phoenix]

lol welllll I had an alt and I spent months building up this thing then maybe several years researching blueprints and setting up supply chains

[lunar temple]

we talking about the same game? Old school runescape? not runescape 3?

i quit long before sailing which i think was just added in if it even is yet

[opaque phoenix]

Oops, forgot to type "building a ship in EVE"

[lunar temple]

aaaaah

[opaque phoenix]

lol

[dry forge]

so bad

[lunar temple]

the stats are identical. only the name, look and material are different

which is another issue with ashes entirely of recipie and material bloat

are crafting menu will be an absolute nightmare of a mess when we have a region specific item for every zone in the world

[opaque phoenix]

I think the recipes being replaced this phase were the placeholder ones from last phase so we're getting the items from the Itemization or whatever teams gear they've made the initial patch said thousands of gear items?

[dry forge]

stats are not the same, the anvils one set bonus gives one type of stats while the Riverland gives dex and wisdom while the anvils strengt and int

[lunar temple]

oh thats the set bonus thing

[glass elbow]

That's all well and good for advanced ship crafting but even in Eve, the industrial tutorial has you build your own first ship upgrade (a T1 hauler) and you can complete that in under an hour total.

[dry forge]

and those are a big deal

just because i started riverland i cannot get my main stat boost

[opaque phoenix]

lol yeah I was selling T3 cruisers I think it's been years since I thought about Eve

[glass elbow]

Lv 25 in Ashes is the equivalent of cruisers/bcs in Eve, aint nobody spending months putting that shit together.

[dry forge]

and i cannot go to anvils pre 10 becase i'll just die and lose my resources for craft, absolute garbage system

i don't have anything with some stuff requiring anvils resources, those i can just buy from marker or trade with someone from Anvils for my from Riverland

but not when i'm entirely locked out of gear because why?

[glass elbow]

Welcome to how the majority of players feel about everything involving gear acquisition this phase.

[opaque phoenix]

I'm looking at around 16.19g for a Bronze Sword Adept you'd have to sell it at double just on principal and then would be undercut I imagine but anything below 15g you'd need to manage the lower-tier processing through a third party really. I haven't seen the marketplace here yet I'm in Anvils so not sure what if anything has been listed yet for WC.

[opaque phoenix]

If you go to Anvils to make those items you'll need just the flowers but the trip might be a lot for under 10 I went to Riverlands for certifications at level 8 but it was a lot of dodging I'm a mage so I had some defensive abilities available that saved me a couple times.

[glass elbow]

"Just outsource your losses." Is not exactly a sustainable practice for processing.

[opaque phoenix]

I'm guessing Polar etc are selling level 25 items for 4g

[opaque phoenix]

I would bargain for the processed or raw materials to slightly lower my costs gather what I could reliably gather and set myself up to process the main things I'd need and then buying things to lower my cost to produce

[lunar temple]

depends on rarity but not necessarily them.

[opaque phoenix]

I'm guessing those people spamming chat for different things are doing that

[glass elbow]

Someone has to foot the bill for the processing.

Relying on people being too stupid to do the basic math of how much it costs them to process material vs how much you are paying them per unit is, as I said, not exactly sustainable

[opaque phoenix]

Ah ok they seem to have lower stats than equivalent items I see recipes for in JM jeweler but where we're at in the game now the dropped items will be the best until people level up crafting and several settlements advance enough to support those crafts.

[lunar temple]

as an example, both of these are level 25 items. dunno what tier exactly.
But it costs like 14g in proscessing and vendor fees to make an apprentice material bag

[opaque phoenix]

I was able to buy some things at cost to save me the processing time and trips across the map - the costs will be high for the end products but from what I've heard of glint and caravan money there will be a lot of money around.

[glass elbow]

Let's also remember the context of apprentice being level 10 gear. There is no shot anyone at level 10 has 14 gold to spare on an entire set of equipment, let alone one bag.

[lunar temple]

with runescape im used to making things at cost, but the disparity here is worse than buying rune bars and spamming daggers

[glass elbow]

Yes and buying at cost means covering the baseline fees and vendor mats of the intermediate materials. Even if we assume that processing time has no value, and your time walking from settlement to settlement has no value, that core cost remains obscene.

There absolutely is not "a lot of money" around. That's part of the problem.

[opaque phoenix]

The necklace has an Anvils equivalent level item (different stats) that looks like it takes novice range processing of some fish, only 7 of the higher tier process ingots and then raw mats and essence/emblems that the player would have likely farmed to make or have someone make the necklace vs the steelbloom which takes a lot of ingots to make not sure on the exact cost but it seems it would be more expensive to reproduce the steelbloom crafting. Loot dropped steelbloom they'd sell for a lot for legendary but I imagine a crafter could make it on demand legendary

[glass elbow]

An average level 10 player in the current phase (not someone in a top zerg guild) has maybe 1-2 gold saved up at level 10 when we are talking about these values.

[lunar temple]

let me run back to town to get some maffs for ya on fees. 3 mins

[opaque phoenix]

I often had players volunteer some of the materials of a certain rarity and then would charged based on whatever system I'd made up for my time and energy to be able to craft items, I'm not seeing a incredibly broken thing yet..

[glass elbow]

What level 10 player have you met who had 14 gold to cover vendor mats and processing fees for a resource bag?

[opaque phoenix]

lol yeah I do see a solo player struggling to buy a 16g minimum sword directly from another player, to make my Novice gear I saved through to level 8 while running around wasting time looking at stuff and then focused and made the spellbook armor some jewelry. I think level 10-20 I'll make more money than that (I had a little over 2g on hand and spent I think it was 20s crafting we'd maybe discussed in another chat the other day) I could probably afford a 100g at some stage between 10-20 I'm not rushing to max level so it wouldn't be a quick thing for me to level up I'm thinking.

[lunar temple]

just on the zinc ingot cost for the recipie as thats more fair a comparison than the anvil one.

Ah mis clicked

[glass elbow]

There is no legitimate game loop I am aware of where a player could make anywhere close to 100g during the 10-20 grind.

I genuinely question we are playing the same game.

[lunar temple]

@opaque phoenix in vendor trash reagents and proscessing station tax, it will cost you 6g 2s 70c (9% node tax rate) to make just the ingots in that steelbloom recipie.

[opaque phoenix]

Chat has said they couldn't possibly afford to craft novice weapon, armor and it's barely 10-15s so there's probably a lot of vendoring sale of processed and raw materials not being done I imagine? I've gotten 2g additional since 10 at now level 12.25 just running gathering commissions and not selling anything to players since there's no market in Anvils I could be selling mats easily with a market

[opaque phoenix]

30 ingots? that's cheaper than I thought it would be, there's only I think 7 required for the Anvils region necklace so a lot less but that fish oil could add up I guess

100 might be the highest end I could imagine but as I get higher level I can take on higher level mobs and more easily gather materials get more glint, more items to sell but yeah I won't be doing the 40 hours to 25 grind or whatever myself to sit at max level and be bored.

[lunar temple]

the roughrime in that recipie there is proscessed. that alone would cost a smidge under 12g. just to make the proscessed roughrime

guestimating because im not mathing that entire anvil recipie myself, you are looking at over 30g in fees for all the materials. minimum

[opaque phoenix]

lol I've been vendoring all my non Heroic/Epic/Legendary Roughrime

ooooh 206 processed roughrime I didn't look at the icon

[glass elbow]

I believe pretty much everyone is vendoring all materials below rare/heroic and still unable to cover processing fees.

[copper lion]

Yes

[glass elbow]

Or turning them in for board quests, as applicable.

That's just a given.

[copper lion]

I have to make 2 trips of low tier vendor sales to cover any processing/crafting

[lunar temple]

[opaque phoenix]

No one wants logs or rocks on the marketplace?

[glass elbow]

Vendoring 90% of gathered materials. Seems like a healthy crafting system.

[opaque phoenix]

dwarves don't believe in marketplaces so we just yell at rocks up here

[glass elbow]

Why in the world would they? They are effectively worthless.

Anything that isn't legendary/epic is effectively worthless frankly.

[lunar temple]

legendary novice tier raw mats sell for 10s or under

[opaque phoenix]

Are all crafters only doing their specific craft and not looking at any other sources of income? I don't use a lot of the legendary epic etc mats and they're just sitting in the bank I could have sold them by now

[glass elbow]

All crafters have to use other sources of income by definition.

[copper lion]

Haha yea I’m trying to sell legendary basalt at 8s and I got no takers

[lunar temple]

the only other source of income is glint farming mobs or maybe caravans or the single pack crates which only give 50>s a run. usually 30 if a server crash doesnt kill the crate. that isnt even enough to proscess 100 raw novice mats

[glass elbow]

And keep in mind the opportunity cost of just vendoring those materials which were put into the crate.

[lunar temple]

(which is about 60s for 100 novice mats)

[opaque phoenix]

I donno I've still not been unable to process anything - but then again I don't have a node that's developed so I might not have a full picture of the struggle. Crafting in other games for me was always an "endgame" pursuit where I'd have a lot of income and then work on it like a hobby when they fix the nodes and we get apprentice in Anvils I'll probably have a better perspective.

[glass elbow]

Crafting cannot be an end game pursuit here if they expect it to be the primary source of gear while leveling. These concepts are fundamentally incompatible.

[lunar temple]

ah, thats a good description i had for current crafting.

The overall material quantities and coin costs in the current system feel like it was designed for a free to play game with credit card skip mechanics

[opaque phoenix]

Which level are you guys at and what crafting level are you at in whatever you've chosen? I can't imagine it would be expected to be a full crafter before level 10 because of how citizenship works and storage

And I can't imagine a person would be crafting level 20+ items before level 20 etc?

1-10 crafting novice items is simple and in my experience cheap enough to manage it was just the system itself was new and took some time to figure how to make items.

[glass elbow]

I am currently level 14 as a pure gatherer because the processing costs make anything beyond that a complete non-starter. It is a wall of cost that is simply not sustainable using any legitimate gameplay loop I am aware of.

I am level 30 fishing though because it is the most reliable source of income I have found.

[lunar temple]

im currently level 9 in game and havent even had a chance to touch a crafting skill yet being murdered by proscessing costs

[glass elbow]

I should note my other gathers are also higher than my character level, I suppose.

[lunar temple]

most of the stuff ive gotten from here, has gone to 3 or four pieces of basic novice gear, material bags, and the coin costs to level those proscessing skills. ontop of all the glint ive gotten from mobs and quests to get to my current character level

[opaque phoenix]

I think they wanted the non-violent playstyle to be viable but I've not heard much on their idea of how player level/craft levels might interact I do know I had to get 10+ to be able to fight off the 10+ ravens/hawks/lions to gather materials that were camped by mobs and it sped up my gathering once I could.

[opaque phoenix]

material bags sound nice

[lunar temple]

they always are. as is the free stokade bag you get in lionshold. 2nd sanctus bag in space

[glass elbow]

Sanctus bag + stockade sack + mining bag for flexibility.

Mining bag holds fish, herbs, corpses just fine

[opaque phoenix]

I'd put leveling tailoring up on hold until I was a citizen but until they patch the vassal system I'll just be gathering I guess myself. Anvils you get one of those basic mine/fish/lumber bags as a reward

[glass elbow]

I heard a rumor of a second stockade sack but have been unable to verify that. I would 100% use it if that's legit.

[opaque phoenix]

lol I got a free goat from Hammerrest and a second one from Bonfire

[lunar temple]

there is the occulus bag. but thats a mob drop if its still in

[nova remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ai-luffy-zoro-roronoa-zoro-gif-3117765931290086926

What if instead of a second stockade bag

You get 2 of first stockade bag

[lunar temple]

https://tenor.com/view/robocop-id-buy-that-for-a-dollar-buy-shocked-surprised-gif-4918932

[reef heath]

Anyone else struggling to afford the resources needed to buy from vendor to make common t1 items?

I personally am having an issue, and I am just casually playing. I find the idea of needing these resources to process stuff too expensive or maybe unnecessary especially for Novice and common. Because you level faster then you can afford to make gear/armor or anything, even if you are focusing on one thing.

Suggestion: T1 for Common or lower, do not require resources from Vendor. Easy little code block to add, that if common grade items are used, the resource button doesn't highlight. If you want to use say Uncommon Copper for a weapon, make the resource from vendor required. And make the common level items provide less experience to the leveling.

If anyone has tips to help me, I would appreciate it. And no, I am not trying to do everything, I am just gathering and trying to focus on Weapon.

[lunar temple]

[reef heath]

Yeah thats why I haven't been processing anything really. Its so silly.

I liked last phase you just had to have fuel. I think for Common and Novice should just be a fuel requirement. All others sure, make it more expensive to process uncommon+ or Apprentice level.

Your guild tag fits the topic well btw 🙂

[copper lynx]

I'm level 11.5 by only fishing, level 39. Generated ~5 gold total by vendoring everything. I cba selling on the market it's flooded with fish. Have most of the mats ready for journeyman pole, waiting on recipe fixes.

Not thrilled with current implementation/rewards, but fishing is relaxing so I'm treating the game essentially as a cookie clicker

Making crafting vital and then having most creating recipes borked is dumb as shit though

[glass marlin]

Is there a reason why processing speed cant increase the higher your leveling is? It makes sense the more you do it the faster you would be at it.

[copper pagoda]

processing speed is increased via clothing

[opaque phoenix]

I've gotten about the same amount of gold as @copper lynx around that level mostly vendoring logs and rocks I don't use, I just made a list of the mats I needed for the armor and weapons and focused on gathering those (it was flowers mostly some ore and wood) in the rarity I wanted and then by the time I'd gotten it all together I had more than enough money. Apprentice crafting you'll need a lot more resources and to be a citizen for the storage so leveling a craft like Tailoring or something to Apprentice before then doesn't seem that useful to me personally.

[crude finch]

how do i make hunting construction supplies

where do i do that?

[sharp elm]

30 carcasses first of all

And then pack them up at avons end

[crude finch]

avons end? thats the default spawn place right

[sharp elm]

Near it

It’s west of lionshold

[crude finch]

what exact station do i use?

ah yeah got it

[next fractal]

Outside of increased durability and access to additional resources, what is the advantage to upgrading a novice to journeyman lumberjack axe.

[lunar temple]

this one?
the quality rating will in theory later give you a (very minor at this stat) better chance to gain rarer materials.
The speed rating will make you cut the tree faster. i dont know if that one works yet either

[fervent wind]

Outside of that there is nothing left... that's the whole purpose of upgrading

[lunar temple]

the spoils stat you get from higher than common, will give you a percent chance to gain extra wood from a tree. that one should be working.

[tight cedar]

Can someone explain to me - what is the difference between the crates that carpenters build and the ones you can build via the settlement vendors - What purpose do the carpenter crates provide?

[nova remnant]

The idea is that you can put materials in those crates. Either to save bank space, or to put in a caravan to transport to another town for bulk transport.

But nobody does those things really.

[tight cedar]

So why not? Is the state of the world just not at that point yet? Did AoC make a system (crates) and give carpenters the ability to make them which is redundant and unecessary?

Why are people not running caravans anymore as well? I hardly see them

[nova remnant]

Commodity Crates can only be made and sold at level 3 settlements or higher. The only settlements are in the extremely dense and close to each other riverlands. It’s not worth the risk to do so, and the payout is much smaller since the nodes are so close.

Carpentry crates are useless because they only stack the same height as your inventory. You can cary more in your bags pvp risk free much faster. The idea was that you could haul a lot of materials and you would also use it to transport to your freeholds.

Town storage is too small. Crates are too small. Caravans are too small. Markets are too small. Bulk uses for the goods are too small. There are no freeholds.

All the enabling systems don’t exist or don’t work

You are starting to see the strain with the DR returns on crates for short distances. Combined with fixed rarity nodes, goods are only as worth as much as the crate they can make. Because they are all useless. Legendary mats for less than 8 silver, greens for less than 40-50 copper.

Only things holding value are Bis mats for Bis gear, being propped up by glint farmers / flippers

[tight cedar]

Fixed rarity nodes

Didn't they change that so the same node (tree or rock) isnt always pumping out legendaries?

[nova remnant]

Certain nodes cannot give rarity below green. So you get a lot of legendaries or high rarity mats. I haven’t confirmed about them respawning same rarity though

If you know what to look for you can target farm them

[lunar temple]

and it broke so they almost immediately reverted it. returning

[tight cedar]

I guess then - to be blunt, feels like carpentry is kinda worthless right now. No one runs caravans, crates seem useless, what are you suppose to make for profit to actually level it up?

[lunar temple]

nothing.

This is the case for all crafting at the moment

[tight cedar]

Surely that is an exaggeration - it has to be, the economy is based on crafting

[nova remnant]

20 minutes for inventory. And the other is example of market prices

Unlucky no legendaries. But over a stack of heroic flax

[lunar temple]

it costs over 6g in vendor fees and worktable taxes to make just the zinc ingots in this recipie.

heres one i found for sale this morning in uncommon

[south cradle]

That's what they've said yeah, but the crafting changes have moved us squarely in the other direction, even though mountains of feedback have been provided that it'd be a bad idea.

[lunar temple]

overall gold cost to make an apprentice material bag (if the recipie even worked) is about 14g

for one bag

[tight cedar]

So then in respects to carpentry specifically - if I am going to level it, I have to consider everything I make essentially a wash? A loss? Because I cannot think of what people would actually want to buy from a novice carpenter

I thought they did a huge economy overhall before phase 3 - they made it frustrating to worthless?

Cant tell if this is doomer talk or the actual state of the game, sorry to be skeptical

[lunar temple]

correct. that is the current state. even better, with 9% node tax, dealing with common logs you have to sell 11 logs to the vendor in order to pay for the vendor reagent and worktable tax to refine one log into timber

doesnt seem much at a glance as its 58c for the cost to refine a log, but that adds up quick

best way to pay for your training costs is to farm mobs for glint to sell right now. carpentry might have some decent use for caravans at least. but i dont know what the caravan state is right now.

[nova remnant]

Carpentry you could make apprentice bows for a little while or try to sell novice bows on day one.

If you aren’t ahead of the curve you’ve lost out this phase. There are some ways to make money with artisan but for newbie leveling there is no clear path for profit