alpha-two-artisan-chat

[glass elbow]

I don't really think that's true because grinders can sell mats just the same as anyone else.

[crude finch]

What mats?

[lethal onyx]

idk i just made my own tools for novice

[crude finch]

The people grinding mob drops don’t get mats they get gear

And the people farming mats don’t get gear we get mats

[glass elbow]

But yes, people playing on tunnel vision mode and only doing one thing will obviously overlook opportunities

[crude finch]

They don’t need gear and we don’t need mats

[glass elbow]

What if I told you that you could do both

[crude finch]

They get there own we get our own. So no fucking reason to interact with eachother

[crude finch]

Still dosent solve the issue

The issue is crafters are useless atm

[lethal onyx]

well crafting makes gear its just really annoying to get to that point atm cus of how gold sink heavy current system is

its not even worth to process to vendor anymore

[crude finch]

And the amount of mats

[lethal onyx]

yeah

[glass elbow]

It is true that the gold sinks are a massive issue, as are the amount of mats

[lethal onyx]

fixed spawns is also a big issue

i run far from town just ot make sure im gathering spots where the decent rarity spawns arent already camped

[crude finch]

Mad I’d love to know where them rarity spawns are xD

[hexed canopy]

as per Steven we are getting a fix for rarity today or tomorrow

[lethal onyx]

i found a leg one but its on top of like a lvl 20 mob

for copper

[glass elbow]

But pretending that tools don't benefit mob grinders is silly. Both a dedicated gatherer and a mov grinder have the same chance at the moment to grab a legendary flax.

[crude finch]

Any information on that?

Like what that entails?

[glass elbow]

Thank fuck

[crude finch]

How does a tool benefit a mob grinder?

[hexed canopy]

this is what he said:

[crude finch]

OMFG

YEA

PRAISE STEVEN

NOW WE CAN GET MORE THAN COMMONS

[glass elbow]

Because on their way to and from location, and while waiting for people to assemble, they can easily spend a moment snagging nodes near their POI. And again, especially at present, they have identical odds to a gatherer main to get high rarity resources.

[crude finch]

But they won’t

Peolle who grind mobs won’t do that

They will just grind mobs

[glass elbow]

You sure paint with a broad brush

Your mindset is not everyone's

[crude finch]

Why would they gather? When mob farming is just a better use of your time

The people who mob farm do it for better gear and xp

Farming mats is not a good way to get better gear or xp rn

So it’s in opposition to there goals

[lethal onyx]

i mean

im abt to just stop gathering

ive lost more gold than ive gained, legit spending it as i gain it just to level my professions with a gear gain every multiple hours

[glass elbow]

No offense dude but I already explained this and you are being dense about it. You don't have 100% uptime all the time. If you can't see that there are opportunities for extra money while people mana up, reach your location, etc then I don't know what to tell you.

[lethal onyx]

my mining is lvl 16, ive been apprentice for 6 levels and cant get an apprentice pick, dont have the gold to level weaponcrafting, dont have the copper drops to make a good one, dont have the gold to pay someone to make it even if i did

[primal torrent]

Aight fellas home from work just wanted to say one more thing, because I like this crafting conversation. The real problem is getting sieges to work without killing the server, this dynamic gridding or whatever they are calling is and probably has been priority one for like a year. And it still is not where it needs to be. Without it this game is DOA. My take is they did what they did with crafting as an afterthought because of priority to other issues. I am glad they gave us something but we know this is not the end of changes, things will change again, hopefully in a more innovative way that requires choice, and thought. Crafting needs to be VERY complex and require LARGE amounts of material. I have many ideas on how this can be done but truthfully they are just ideas taken away from Eve and SWG, so they should be able to figure that out on their own. Also I do not even know what @marsh vigil vision is for crafting when he showed that developers stream a few years with the little farm It got me hyped AF for Ashes the only thing we have seen or heard sense then is "Crafters make the best Shit." That is not a vision those are just words. Anyway off to chop some WOOD.

[glass elbow]

Yeah these are massive issues for sure.

[lethal onyx]

ashes crafting system is just archeage but uses rarity to bypass the necessity for a labor system providing value to the resources

[crude finch]

Rn we SHOULD all just go grind mobs and sell the gear would make loads of money for our artisan tools and mounts and such

But that is a bad thing

[glass elbow]

A lot to break down there but a level 10 hatchet does not need to be VERY complex nor does it need to require LARGE amounts of mats.

[primal torrent]

Oh ya in its current state I would agree, its better than any other phase but ya like I said I have many ideas and posted some above but like I also said they are just taken away for SWG and Eve, so they should be able to figure them out. There was and is a reason MMO crafting fans still play Eve and played SWG

Game time

[lethal onyx]

current resource costs are fine, needing weaponsmithing is fine, its just the gold sink to getting there on either end, how can i interact with players if i cant afford to pay them or level it myself

[glass elbow]

There's a large sliding scale, and high level, high rarity items should be complex for sure. But baby's first fishing pole doesn't need to require a material that people cant access for the first week of the game

[glass elbow]

Step 1 to fixing crafting is to take all the vendor mats and throw every single one of them in the garbage.

[lethal onyx]

real

archeage had vendor matts too but it was like, 5 copper not 30

and it wasnt needed for basic t1 matt processing

[glass elbow]

Absolute asinine idea, that

[crude finch]

this crate thing

im at the winsted th i cant seem to find anything about it

[muted flower]

If it’s gonna be 30 copper atleast make the reagents like 1 per 10 crafts not 1:1

[glass elbow]

If reagents are needed (and they should only be needed for higher tier mats), then those reagents should be created by other crafting disciplines.

[fathom gulch]

True. Right now it just feels bad for gatherers for no reason. "Look here's something the recipe needs and you can't gather it nananan". While the extortionate processing cost could easily cover it if it's a fake resource anyway.
You can't even gather a bucket of water...😫

[crude finch]

all reagents should be craftable

[fathom gulch]

I think so too yes. And if it's really high end and can only come from fully developed nodes, it shouldn't be in basic recipes.

[glass elbow]

Like I said, that's why step 1 is to just eliminate every single one of those stupid vendor mats. Then you can address some of the other major bottlenecks, and the absurd quantities for mid tier recipes. Then a conversation can be had about making reagents for other profs' high tier crafts.

[glass elbow]

It can be approached from the opposite direction as well. The recipe for making some reagent like a gem polishing solvent could make 10 units per craft. I think this is a better approach than forcing batch processing.

[muted flower]

I totally agree. I’m just thinking give us a quick bandaid for now till bigger changes can be worked out.

[glass elbow]

The bandaid for now would be to make all these items 1c until they can be removed from the recipes imo.

But intrepid needs to be convinced that they are actually a problem first and I have seen zero acknowledgement of that.

[muted flower]

https://tenor.com/view/nowarinbasingse-atla-avatar-the-last-gif-18401680

No issues here

[opaque phoenix]

gathering larch while dodging level 20 mobs and backtracking, rerouting to avoid death

[mental maple]

best place to farm poo ?

[feral depot]

How does the math on phys power work? If we’re talking 1100 vs 1200 on an apprentice/adept 2h axe for instance? How much of an impact is that on damage?

[crude finch]

what is the best mining location rn?

[hexed canopy]

wherever you find legendaries, just stay there and don't move

[crude finch]

the ashes codex map has "copper" nodes on it?

what are they

[crude finch]

have they not reverted that yet?

[hexed canopy]

they reverted the FIX, so it's broken again now

[crude finch]

I HATE HOW CLOSE IN COLOUR LEGENDARY AND HEROIC

[hexed canopy]

they are planning on fixing it for real this week

[crude finch]

oh i thgouht they had already done it

no eta?

[hexed canopy]

i've been hating on this for years

[hexed canopy]

he said this week

[crude finch]

so rn its static?

[hexed canopy]

yes

[crude finch]

so the tree i just cut down that gave me 5 heroic ash will ALWAYS give me 5 heroic ash?

[hexed canopy]

not fully static apparently, and maybe it's just clusters that are static

it's complicated

i didn't gather enough to be able to tell you the specifics, but it's definitely broken

people who know how to play the system have hundreds or thousands of legendaries

[crude finch]

for a game where crafters are supposed to be king this really sucks xD

[hexed canopy]

that's what happens when they rush something out, aka P3

hopefully it can finally be fixed.. this has been an ongoing issue for so long now

[crude finch]

TBH i liked how it was before but just lower the chances a bit

[hexed canopy]

wdym by before?

I guess maybe for P 2.5 i wasn't static.. ngl i haven't played much 2.5 so i don't remember

it was definitely not static on the PTR until they added clusters

[crude finch]

I meant like two weeks ago when I was getting legendaries constantly xD

[nova remnant]

My issue is that the problem is not clusters. So seeing this makes me think they don’t understand what’s actually happening. Clusters are fine. As long as it’s a one-off not respawning “jackpot”. It’s the single nodes off by themselves that are the concerned statics.

Easiest one to identify are the light colored daffodils, those are always static. That one is an open secret by this point. But it’s kind of ruined at this point anyways (ish). Will see how big the impact is in a month with legendary/epic journeyman gear.

It’s probably fine, cause what the average player doesn’t know doesn’t hurt them. They probably assume the person gathered a lot or made a lot of money. Or that it’s normal to have legendary gear.

[hexed canopy]

or maybe they'll fix it today or tomorrow like Steven said

[nova remnant]

People out playing Mapquest with gathering

[crude finch]

im just grinding in the desert

[crude finch]

Is obsidian worth collecting atm?

[heady falcon]

when making sand in the metal forge, is the bonus material outcome equally random, or are some bonus materials more common than others? (e.g. its more common to get coal and more rare to get copper when processing basalt into sand)

[glacial helm]

I'm not concerned about the artisan system on an individual basis. That can and will get refined, and dealt with over the next year. My problem is that the overall system cant produce enough material to produce enough gear to support the player base levelling. Normally in an economy the increased demand, would increase the price, and that would incentivize more artisans, to discover more material, and make more gear. That can't happen with static fixed amount of material spawning. Either that or you have to make the power -levellers understand, that gathering material to supply their node artisans is part of the levelling process.

I also don't know why the game has to model a thousand years of human evolution when it comes to artisan skills. Why do we have to go back to the stone age with crafting and work through the bronze age and the iron age, plus invent the entire economy, when we don't have to invent the longbow for combat? I know that was the way WoW did it, but I was hoping this game would be more sensible and not be a WoW clone.

[crude finch]

do better bags exist yet?

[supple bramble]

Not yet... the recipes are on Artisan vendors which we haven't seen yet.

[crude finch]

Fucking hate these shitty bags xD

[bright ginkgo]

does anyone know if Luck % directly affects gathering as well?

[delicate kelp]

The few hours they had to roll back were so fun for the employed

[crude finch]

lol

[delicate kelp]

pretty sure it does and the only place it changes is in lawless zones

[bright ginkgo]

we have the 10% luck bonus from guild levels now if u level into it

[supple bramble]

"rewards" is key word. That is for loot drops

[bright ginkgo]

so was wondering how that works with the crafting guild levels as well. if they double dip together

[bright ginkgo]

yeah thats wat i assumed but i could see a world where gathering is considered a reward idk

[supple bramble]

Yea... but there is also a fair chance they messed it up and it does affect everything 🙂 So many things need fixed/adjusted.

[supple bramble]

I hope they fix being able to craft Sanctus Leatherworking gear. Not betting on it.

[faint jacinth]

10% luck is pretty trash rn

Even if stacked with lawless buff for 20% total

1.14% gear drop chance from 20+ 3 stars

OooOooo 1.25% with luck

Rarity rolls separate and not directly impacted

[bright ginkgo]

That's actually peak intrepid. Hell yeah ty

[sonic hedge]

Do y'all know where to craft better bags?

[left parrot]

Not possible until a textile mill is constructed

[sonic hedge]

kk thx

[crude finch]

I hope they fix the spawns

I want more good shit

More high rarity stuff and the pickace should increase Drop chance on that good shit

[left parrot]

The Hawk Bow literally invalidates all of carpentry bow crafting

It’s going to be so cheap and so ubiquitous that there is almost no point at all in crafting anything other than Epic/Legendary 26/29 gear. For anything else, the processing costs are so high that the item is unsellable.

[novel delta]

second far better and cant be obtaiend that easily like hawks, and its craft

and give like x 1.5 more power or x2

but i agree with you in current moment drops are way easier and better

[left parrot]

It gives 1.16x power

At common at least

[novel delta]

i wish they unlocked JM stuff at t4(but they wont)

[novel delta]

you dont see extra power ?> and its blue and that one is gray

[left parrot]

Do you realize how much that thing costs to craft?

[novel delta]

i do, and i agree with drops should be gutted, but saying that hawk invalidates carpentry is wrong

[left parrot]

How much do you think Thornstrike Bow costs to craft, not including the price of materials?

[novel delta]

we just need to wait AGAIN
before we would be able to craft JM stuff

[novel delta]

i do craft it and do some profits with it

but tbh its really hard to sell

[left parrot]

No you don’t, it’s JM, there are no JM stations

[novel delta]

i missed ur name of weapon

thought u talking about thorndbound

[left parrot]

Yeah I meant the one you posted to compare to Hawk Bow

[novel delta]

yea that one will be not cheap

[left parrot]

How much do you think it costs to process all the materials

[novel delta]

like 50g?

[left parrot]

My GUESS is it’ll cost about 75-80g

Yeah

[novel delta]

well its in grey far better than blue hawk

i dont white knight this state craft btw

[left parrot]

Yeah and The Hawk Bow is going to be 10g

[novel delta]

and i have many questions

[left parrot]

It’s godawful

[sweet elk]

lets just remember that in P2 1 caravan run was like 50g...

[novel delta]

and like other guy said crafting will die if crafters wont be making money at least on Apprentice step of levelign it

[left parrot]

Named Mobs should have a REALLY low chance to drop their items

That is the number one problem for crafting

If there’s a named drop that’s ~equivalent to something you can craft, your crafting is WORTHLESS

See, for example, Flayer’s Fleshripper and all of Apprentice Weaponsmithing

[novel delta]

well silverglade 2h mace is better, but GUESS WHAT we can craft anything above basic recipes on those benches xd

cant

my secodn question - why add so many recipes for novice and apprentice and lock it behind town progression

[left parrot]

And even if you could I doubt someone would be willing to pay 2-3x the price of Flayer’s for a minor upgrade that gets replaced at 20 anyway

[fervent wind]

Be Careful sending Copper Ingot (maybe other ingots as well) to the Joeva Storage ... Just lost 28 Ingots that way!!! Not in Storage, Not in my pack, Not in the station

Is that something GMs can fix? @tepid drum

[primal torrent]

try logging out this is an old bug wonder if it came back

[tepid drum]

Support can always take a look

We can't replace everything lost to a bug, but we can always investigate

Select "I need in game help..." here: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[fervent wind]

I did ... 2 times ... just doesn't show up anywhere

[rugged gorge]

Ingots are tiny you might miss it

[primal torrent]

ugh

[primal torrent]

not framints are tiny ingots take up at least two slots

[rugged gorge]

Not anymore

[primal torrent]

have you seen the Tin ingots

[crude finch]

This crafting system needs some love xD

[rugged gorge]

Copper ingots were one square on ptr

[primal torrent]

they look like a chocolate bar all across your inventory

Ok that I was not aware of

[rugged gorge]

Yeah the tins and what not are 2 boxes still

[crude finch]

You know what might be good, vendores to sell equipment to at the start to sorta set a control price for mats and items

noit for nothing like they currently do

but for like a fair price and little profit for crafters

[fervent wind]

It has been submitted. Thank you ... Off mining I go I guess. At least gathering is better than it was last phase lol

[primal torrent]

I said this in general earlier but if it could be implemented and if I was making the decisions this is what I would do, remove gear drops add material drops, increase recipe drops but make them limited runs, with a research option to reduce materials but doing so reduces the amount of times you can make it. Add stats to materials instead of generic rarity.

[crude finch]

Intresting proposal.

[rugged gorge]

Broken items that must be restored is my suggestion

[crude finch]

im 100% down for removing drops above uncommon and id also like them to be linked to node level so you can never out scale the node

Make it so only crafters can repair

if you wanna rep your apprentice pickaxe you need someone who can craft it.

[primal torrent]

that eventually break permanently like if its because someone is corrupt

[crude finch]

i wouldnt like material normal material drops from mobs, they shouldnt drop copper and zinc say but should insted drop mob specific drops that must be combined with other gatherables to make stuff

[fervent wind]

There needs to be a tier of rarity called "drop" that is 10-25% weaker than the c rafted version of the same color

[primal torrent]

I am saying this for grade 3 items and boss loot only not the lower grades people need gear that easily obtained

[fervent wind]

AND .. limit drops to white and green

[primal torrent]

no to drops at all only materials and recipes

[fervent wind]

I'm a crafter first and even I think that is unrealistic to happen

[rugged gorge]

Gear above novice should just be broken items that need to be repaired

[primal torrent]

its been done before in other successful games that had and have way better economies than we have seen in ashes, people will get use to it.

[crude finch]

for me the goal is creating a system where only crafters can create the best gear but fighters and crafters must come togegther to have acsess to all the needed mats

maybe the best swords need "dragons blood" which can only be gained by grinding world bosses

[primal torrent]

research Eve and research SWG pre NGE crafting, that is the model, can not replicate but can take some things away from it

[crude finch]

isnt eve's economy so stable its better than some nations?

[primal torrent]

No more brain dead wow crafting for the love of god

[crude finch]

i quit wow the second i found out i had to re level crafting for every DLC

[primal torrent]

The ability to simply learn a grade 3 recipe needs to be changed to limited runs, with research options to reduce materials at the consequence of not being able to make as many copies

[crude finch]

I’m personally not into the idea of having to re grind for something I already own?

[primal torrent]

you would need to slightly increase the drop rate of those recipes but this puts the choice of how to handle it into the crafter / guild

[crude finch]

Like I have that recipe, being forced to re grind for it again wouod geel awful to me. Like something I own is being taken for no reason.

[primal torrent]

Thats new age mmo brain sorry I do not mean to offend but its the only way I know how to express my opinion

[primal torrent]

It also empowers you to make a choice do I run these 10 copies at an increased material cost or do I research it for 48 hours and cut my materials but now I can only make 5

so now I can make 5 at the cost of 10 do the math the choice is easy there is a reason diamonds are expensive and its not because they are scarce

[crude finch]

no denial here im a "new" mmo player. i got my start with ESO so im def a child of modern times. I am down for the research but i guess rather than taking it from me id love to be able to invest a lot of time perfecting the recipie to improve it. Im fine with gear breaking and being unrepairable but not into the idea of a recipie being taken.

[primal torrent]

I promise its a better way to do things for overall economy health you will make more gold this way

[crude finch]

oh idc about gold

[primal torrent]

My point is as a crafter you want the stuff you make to always be in demand, otherwise what are you doing

[crude finch]

Im not a MMO crafter for the gold xD For me the joy is doing all that work, farming all the mats, learning all the tricks. to make the best fucking item possible. Sure it will sell for bank and ill make am illion gold. but for me the joy is creating the best items

[crude finch]

Hence why im down for limited repairs!

its recipies specifically being taken i have an issue with.

[primal torrent]

I agree with you there, but what I proposed is along the same line of thinking

[crude finch]

cuz im already grinding all the mats, leveling up and grinding the xp. i dont wanna grind the ability to grind you know?

[primal torrent]

you wont need to people will sell those recipes on the market for cheap because if they have to rely on a crafter to make it because NO gear drops you wont have a problem getting those limited run, research to reduce material recipes. Its done in Eve and the Economy and crafters are some of the richest and most geared for a lack of better word players. Because they took up the daunting task of leveling crafting and were poor for awhile.

[cedar moat]

anyone have any data on how much gold and number of mounts needed to train to reach apprentice AH?

[primal torrent]

anyway Im out

[crude finch]

a billion gold at least

[crude finch]

Thats fair, we got a long way to go and i think there is some real potentioal here. all about balance

[cedar moat]

sure, that wasnt my question though i want a more realistic number to work towards

if someone has it of course

[primal torrent]

Not sure if anyone has calculated

[crude finch]

the sorta data your after dosent exist yet

[cedar moat]

anyone here reach apprentice AH? Maybe they can give a rough estimate

[crude finch]

give it a few months and it might

but rn its still to early to tell all that specific stuff

[cedar moat]

okay thanjs

im keeping record myself

[crude finch]

rn you gotta chart your own course

we are the pinoeers

its up to us ot make that sorta data

[cedar moat]

so far 50 mounts and 34gold later and im just level 5 lol

[crude finch]

sounds baout right

[cedar moat]

super imbalanced compared to other artisans

[crude finch]

yeah but you probably make mroe than any of us xD

[cedar moat]

no lol

[crude finch]

The fact you can afford 50 gold to level your craft proves that

everyone wants mounts

[cedar moat]

when 80% has been bobs

im also giving mounts to guildies for processing costs so literally making nothing

[crude finch]

but are they giving you the animals to train?

[cedar moat]

no need i already have enough myself

they are just giving proicessing costs

[crude finch]

coming out even is a hell of alot better than anyone else. all my arcane crafts get sold to vendors for pittance

[cedar moat]

but due to the high ratio of bobs that stopped so im just by myself here

also true

doesnt change the fact that its imbalanced

[crude finch]

oh no doubt about that

[cedar moat]

and the 50% chance seems like a lie lol

[crude finch]

craft costs are WAY WAY to high

[cedar moat]

yup

[crude finch]

we need a discount for bulk refinement badly

[cedar moat]

yeah we should

[crude finch]

encooruge huge refinements

[rugged gorge]

You always had to

They just separated

[crude finch]

i only hopped in las tyear

im no vet

[cedar moat]

well guess im on my own with AH it seems no one has the money to fund as we are all doing our own thiungs too, for now its mainly cargo runs for me

[crude finch]

how are you doing cargo runs?

i cannot find how to do them

[cedar moat]

you make crates at commodity vendor neaqr the city hall

[crude finch]

with what?

[cedar moat]

12 wood, 12 stone, 5 fish and a commodity certificate

the higher the rarity the more the money

[crude finch]

how do you get a certificate?

[cedar moat]

commodity vendor by the city hall

[crude finch]

what kind aprofit we talking?

[cedar moat]

near the guild and mayor stuff

[low mountain]

do any of the vendors sell the novice lumberjack or mining shirts?

[crude finch]

crafting only on them

[cedar moat]

so running an uncommon crate from Winst to Joe is 54s in 20-ish minutes, im doing a rare one now ill let you know almost at Joe

[crude finch]

U EU or us??

[cedar moat]

US

[crude finch]

dam shame xD

Do let me know rare

im ratehr stakcled on rare and neeed cash

[cedar moat]

88 silver for rare

[crude finch]

12 rare stone 12 rare wood and 6fish for 88 silver

[cedar moat]

not bad for 20min, if i had enough tickets i would make the same journey back so thats 1.6g in 40min not bad

5 fish yes

[crude finch]

rare fish?

[cedar moat]

the whole crafting of the crate has to be rare

[crude finch]

bro i havent fished once xD I dont even know how so thats out ofr me

[cedar moat]

i only had uncommon fish so i used higher wood and stone and the result was rare

im just buying the fish they super cheap, 40c a fish

for uncommon

[stiff kite]

Noob question, do you have to have towns on both ends to be able to do the travel? Is this the crate on the back also? No caravan?

[summer elk]

and some glint I suppose?

[cedar moat]

no you buy using tickets for max profits

[summer elk]

so there is no glint cost anywhere in the creation of the crate?

[cedar moat]

there is a version to use glint but it eats in your profits so i dont do that

[summer elk]

I see, so there are multiple options

[cedar moat]

yup

[primal torrent]

Hell ya now run it from Joevea to Mira

[cedar moat]

already on it

[primal torrent]

what was that

[cedar moat]

still on the way

[primal torrent]

oh shit message me please I am curoious

[summer elk]

when mules come this will be even better

[cedar moat]

uncommon crate though not rare this time

[primal torrent]

rogue is a cheat code for those, stealth dash dash dash grapple mount sprint dash dash wait grapple mount wait mount sprint

and adreniline every 2 min for speed boost

[summer elk]

I think the crate tells you how much you are going to make, at least they were showing that in the showcase that you can see profit for all places you can go. I belive it was in character panel somwhere

[primal torrent]

ya cant buy those yet I don't think, I think it is tide to node reputation

[cedar moat]

not the back crates they always say 0

[cedar moat]

yes you can im doing a run with it rn

[primal torrent]

nice

[summer elk]

well, some other time then

[cedar moat]

54s for uncommon

[primal torrent]

you eu or us?

[cedar moat]

US

[primal torrent]

That was from joeva to mira?

or just winstead

Im just wondering if it works like caravans the further you go the more you get paid

[primal torrent]

I was meaning the ticket thing you buy

[cedar moat]

you can buy a max of uncommon certificate until the node level or you become a citizen and go up in ranks

[primal torrent]

where did you go from and where did you drop it

[cedar moat]

commodity vendor from Winstead to Joeva, two trips. Cost me 46 tickets to do and made a total of 1g 30s in 40min total

[primal torrent]

ah nice appreciate you man thanks for the info, I wanna do a joeva to mira rare see what it gives

[cedar moat]

rare gives 88 silver per run,

[primal torrent]

Does it give more though if you go further Joeva to mira is further

like caravans give more the further you go

[cedar moat]

ah yes then maybe sorry i was thinking winstead

[primal torrent]

no worries

[cedar moat]

i tested winstead to mira with uncommon it was only 27s lol

[primal torrent]

and I don't mean as the crow flies, Its based on roads, at least I assume

ya but Joeva to Mira should give more then

[faint jacinth]

Crates aren't giving nearly enough lol

Better off just farming and vendoring glint

[primal torrent]

Its enough because its risk free

epic to joeva from winstead give 1g 50s roughly I had a couple legendries in there.

[main crescent]

map limit all flat

[steady latch]

How do I unequip a crate? I picked it up by accident

[muted rampart]

I did green from mira to joeva and got 91 silv

[cedar moat]

thanks!

i wonder what the rare one would be like

[steady latch]

Region requirements on crafting so dumb

[left parrot]

If you use a high level certificate but low quality mats, what happens?

[digital turret]

It should have added a "Drop Crate" hotkey on your hotbar

[silk arrow]

It'

[ivory sierra]

Can any1 explain the rewards for the market commodity crates?

12x raw mats
5x fish etc.

Costs 12x tickets for uncommon - does this net gold?
When I buy one do I need to transport it or just hand it into the settlement?

Thabks in advance 🙏

[soft zodiac]

Anyone know the dropchance for rare western larch wood?

[sweet elk]

Did node buffs get significantly nerfed? And also looking at it, the amount of xp buff you get from xp rating. were still getting 150 xp rating from the buff but if that numbers correct were now getting 5% not 100% xp

[woven blaze]

Are there any plans for grems in the north?

[gilded lynx]

Stoneglen Emblem - Any devs know when this is getting added to the game? I got all the recipes but wont be able to craft anything with them.....

[cosmic shard]

Why does it say I can only switch tools in a node Don't all of your tools work when they are equipped?

[severe axle]

how do i pack a crate for the practice quest? it says to use RMB in the warehouse menu, but doing so doesnt do anything in any menu

[minor steppe]

Why can i only make 4 wands adept?

[pliant flare]

I think they don't want players carrying spare tools

[pliant flare]

try to shift-right click on the crate, i think that's what i did last time

[severe axle]

thanks, it worked!

any idea why i cant recover the contents?

also, i am using 12x green timber and 4x green daffodils for my book but it's still saying that I'll get a common book out of it?!

[left parrot]

Item crafting previews are broken and always display common rn

[orchid trout]

How do you rank up your standing with a town ?

[lean berry]

Noob question: What is the fuel used for stonemasonry

[torn fiber]

Hey, most woods and flowers have a fuel value, bottom right

[worldly timber]

lol i believe fish does too if im not wrong

[torn fiber]

You're right I forgot the 🐟

[errant sable]

!c

[raw linden]

I would like to request Steven to put a small pond on Korrin and Brinebarrel that we can fish cause i want to stand on an island and fish the day away but currently all the water around there is unfishable

[primal torrent]

Mayor commissions and such

[stiff kite]

What is the best way to level carpententry? Just spam wagon chassi for oak? Or something else gives better xp and is cheap?

[fast swan]

Or do it whis quality..greens or blues i mean quality Wood is out there

[stiff kite]

Yeah, ofc, but was thinking if any recipe gave better etc?

I have bad luck regarding better quality wood 😂 or maybe just sucks at the game

[primal torrent]

I haven't noticed an increase in experience from crafting with higher quality timber. I notice it with processing but not carpentry

[primal torrent]

Just spam chassis of any word you want

[stray nymph]

this cant be right

its taking 18 of the boss material... and also the boss material is in the Quality Ingredients section of the recipe

[ebon carbon]

Bronze Mace Recipe, Just Recently Hit lvl 10 Weapon smithing learned the recipe but it doesn't show up on the bench in Winstead. Is there something im missing for Weaponsmithing ?

[primal torrent]

Can you screenshot it?

[atomic mural]

Always check outside the game on the Ashes Codex for example or the real work bench. The Artisan menu isn't up to date.

[primal torrent]

Hmm is Bronze weapons bugged at the crafting station I wonder

[stiff kite]

How was it? To be able to run a commodity crate from a node now, both nodes must be on town right?

[wide scroll]

Seems like it might be possible at the village stage but not 100% sure

[violet snow]

This is bug?

[crude finch]

just a double check crafting xp scroll gives me xp for all crafting right? as in refinment? or is there a refining scroll?

[primal torrent]

No crafting is for making items processing is for processing materials

[crude finch]

cool, so next question. Sturdy tool for a settlement order.

where do i craft?

[vale cargo]

can we craft lvl 16 items

[wet quarry]

Am I suppose to use processing scrolls before I start to process or when I go to claim the items?

[primal torrent]

So it use to be before though now I am being told its when you pick it up so I honestly do not know and have not tested it

[potent wadi]

Just made a post about not being able to access apprentice level vendor recipes. Anyone else's crafting suffering because of this? I grinded out tailoring so I could make bags but I've come to realize that the apprentice bag recipes aren't available

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1413490780634615848

[ebon carbon]

@potent wadi Very Much So hurting ! With recipes like "Bandit Commanders Shield" and Bronze Mace. Says iv learned / able to craft them under P just not available when i go to the bench ;;

[primal torrent]

SW 32 keeps kicking me to loud screen

[analog mulch]

Can you sell commodity crates to harbors?

[velvet tulip]

Guys where I find the npc to give the certificates in "The anvils", I cant find it anywhere, do I really need to go to riverlands for that?

[sweet elk]

Has anyone else had issues trying to mill 100 wood in one go?

It seems to only let me add 40 total at once

[queen island]

Is there any trick to making back some money on processing and grinding? I just cant get much traction due to the costs.

[violet siren]

[normal otter]

Run crates.
Make the scrip currency by filling up buy orders.
Good luck.

[queen island]

I dont quite understand the whole crate thing. So like process stuff to fill crates then go sell them at the next town?

[eternal tundra]

No go to the commodity vender and run crates to another town for money

[queen island]

ah

[normal otter]

Crates require you to buy a commodity token, which is bought with script.
Step 1: Buy token
Step 2: Craft crate using token, 5 fish or huntables, 12 lumber (I believe you can also use herbalism stuff but don't quote me on that I am not certain) and 12 stone or metal.

There's guides out there that are available that are much better than the two lines I just farted.

[eternal tundra]

There isn’t a way for us crafters to really make money due to the amount money it cost and loot being dropped better than we can currently produce

[queen island]

Yeah appricate that, was just hoping to lessen the burden lol. Will have to try carrying a crate.

[eternal tundra]

A blue crate from winsted to joeva is like 88s 1 way

[civic bear]

Until a level 3 Settlement or higher shows up in the Anvils or Tropics, yes. The Anvils starting area doesn't have the NPCs to promote atm.
You have to go to a lvl 3 Settlement or Riverlands starting area.

[cedar moat]

For those in US server, any idea why we lost all node processing buffs in Winstead? Did the war reset them?

[fervent wind]

All other settlements were reset back to 0% xp as well

[primal torrent]

Are you sure I am not seeing that

Or just in the Riverlands?

[fervent wind]

as an example ... New Alea was at like 45+ % yesterday before the siege

[primal torrent]

Must be just the Riverlands

[fervent wind]

nope ... they were much higher too

whatever stage a settlement was in ... they remained that level, but with 0xp

[novel delta]

yo people from US, have u dont smithy for JM mining? Because it seems we wont get JM tools even if build it, since recipe look to miss some components.
And judging on how base Apprentice leatherworking recipes are not working I guess this one would not work too

[latent kelp]

No sir. The commissions expired is all, the buffs are temporary

[primal torrent]

can we make apprentice fishing shirts and clothes yet

[zenith stream]

Hot take but just remove all drops and force people to fully interact with the game

[zenith stream]

Not till a building is built we really shouldn't even have app stations up yet from previous atleast but nothing app till buildings are built

[zinc marlin]

gimme working econ/crafting first pls

[eternal tundra]

Personally I think dropped gear should all be common or even uncommon and the only way to get better is from a crafter, I also think that crafted gear should be the only gear with perks just my thoughts

[zenith stream]

I always refer to in-game before anything else and you can see the recipes there and idk what you mean by app lw recipes not working

[primal torrent]

Is it because the recipes come from the Journeyman building vendor?

[limber oyster]

the new iteration village benches start at apprentice

[sweet elk]

youd presumably get recipes once the apprentice building was built. we only have the bench not the vendor

[limber oyster]

wish they added some other ways to get recipes like a quest

[versed verge]

Does anyone know what the Luck stat actually impacts? Is it solely mob drops or every proc?

[sweet elk]

are they not dropping like all the rest?

[zenith stream]

Yeah but they only have to be first teir for app then jm

[zenith stream]

They supposed to for some

[novel delta]

try to make basic app LW sanctus skuler and u find out it is not working

[eternal tundra]

I don’t think it’s working properly still, I’ve gotten more legendary/epic with my crude sickle vs my legendary logging ax with loot bonuses on it

[zenith stream]

R8ght and previously they didn't is all im saying but I think they trying to get the speed down so leveling vs node progression makes sense

[eternal tundra]

We should get benches sooner imo across the towns, and make each town have certain benches so they can all level up the same

[limber oyster]

yeah I think they are figuring it out, doesn't help that it's now impossible unless your fed money by a large group to level an artisanship at the current speed, or even make anything at apprentice

[crude finch]

I hope the update is fixing rarity spawns

[restive moat]

I hope the update rebalances material quantities for recipes, because this is dumb. This was a huge issue for p2.5 and the fact they carried it over for p3 is honestly ridiculous.

And I will hope for this every update

[stray nymph]

agreed

[restive moat]

Because it's dumb

[crude finch]

I love having to refine 500 copper at 1s a peice just to get a common shitty level 20 axe 🙂

[jovial dew]

I'm too poor to process materials.... Gonna have to go back to doing questionable things in LionHold for coin

[crude finch]

im making coin it just takes ages

[copper pagoda]

processing fees coming down, especially for tier 1, when you're super poor, would also be a blessing

[crude finch]

wait

thats a great idea tbh

tire based crafting fees

we also need:

Bulk crafting discount
craftable reagents
tire based crafting costs
lower crafting costs

[copper pagoda]

especially given how many materials it takes per finished good craft

[crude finch]

no gear dropping above uncommon

no gear dropping above node level

limited repiar amounts on gear (not on gathering tools)

[somber crown]

No mobs spawn above node level would also slow people down from Zerging to end game

[crude finch]

anything above apprentice should need to be repaired by a player who can craft it no AI

[copper pagoda]

no gear dropping above bench level per region

so makes the sweats grind towns so they can get their lvl 10 gear, then continue to grind towns so they can get their lvl 20 gear, etc

[crude finch]

crafters rn are useless with gear being so easy to grind

crafters are only selling tools and services to other crafters

[copper pagoda]

this a thousand times

[crude finch]

same way mob grinders are only selling other stuff to grinders since they are the only ones who want the gear

[copper pagoda]

no, gatherers want the gear too, because it enables us to get places to gather

and enables us to grind the money for the f_cking fees

[crude finch]

I only want high HP so i can survive as i run away xD

[neat furnace]

any word on when leather armor is going to be craftable?

[copper pagoda]

i want a weapon so i can get glint

[crude finch]

Glint is a waste of time in my opion.

id have so much money rn if i did spend it all xD

[copper pagoda]

i've got too many crafts i'm working on, so i'm forever poor

[primal torrent]

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1413338883726508052

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1411770755217096734

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1413366762552168609

If you want to get involved is some really good discussions revolving around crafting those are a good place to start in the feedback section

[copper pagoda]

the first one you linked is written by a never crafter and their opinions are pretty much "enable grinders to grind because it's our right"

[steel prairie]

Is there any point in crafting crates yet? Haven’t looked at those as need money not node currency

[copper pagoda]

crafting crates -> node currency -> commodity crates -> cash

and, node citizenship so you can continue the path to get higher rarity crate commissions

[crude finch]

i have no idea how to do these crates

i cannot seem to find the place for it

[queen island]

There is a tutorial that gives you a practice crate but it doesn’t tell you how to load it lol. The teachibg quests are awful.

[crude finch]

yeah thats where i am stuck xD

I cant figure out what to do with the tutorial one

[primal torrent]

ya but if you read through it crafters interject

[autumn otter]

For the practice crate, load it at the Caravan Manager: "I'd like to manage my caravans" -> This opens your storage -> Use the crate (I had to shift+rmb and "unpack") -> Put something in the crate -> Seal crate.

To craft commodity crates for transporting for silver/gold, you go to either the citizen commodity vendor or market commodity vendor, and you purchase a certificate using scrip. You then go to the bench next to them, and it will be evident then how to craft it.

[crude finch]

I will attempt this in 3 hours when the realm is supposed to be back up xD

[autumn otter]

Haha. It's not very intuitive at the moment. I bet someone would get a lot of views if they created some simple tutorial videos. (If that's their thing).

[crude finch]

90% Of the quests dont have there markers right and a bunch fo quests just dont explain what to do

[autumn otter]

Yeah there is def some exploration and thinking required, and some just aren't implemented fully. Be sure to always read the dialogs as you are going, you may not get the clues again

[novel delta]

well i actually like processing/vendor mats costs
For a first time we have proper goldsink and there is even deflation going on.
I love how many things you can buy now with single gold

[copper lynx]

They will make farming flax usable in linen 🙏

[novel delta]

Problem is not with cost of vendor items/processign etc, problem is Radiant items are dropping like craze, thats kills crafting.
Imagine if there were no full items drops, and people who fam SB/Carphine would gladly buy all ur Apprentice crafts, even grey/green

[native pilot]

The processing fees and the cost of vendor items are an issue but full gear dropping is a larger issue that should take priority

[limber oyster]

full gear with no downside, give it a downside in some way for being a drop

[novel delta]

i dont feel it is issue, game needs goldsinks, and its alright one.
Yea it feels hard first, but when you get used to it, and smart enough to get profits that overcome this sink - it feel rly great. And I am all 100% for crafting is high end content for not many people concept. Crafting high JM items should be as hard as killing world bosses, or doing hard dungeons, crafting apprentice staff is as hard as doing proper SB group, and for casuals - welcome to novice crafting xd
This iteration of craft at least make you think how to level craft and not to end up being broke.

And again gold now is really stable currency, you dont need 100g+ to get apprentice gear as before

[ashen lodge]

Bro not everyone can spam trade chat for 12h every day

[native pilot]

You may feel like it's not an issue because of how you may play the game however many people are broke trying to level professions. Im all for sinks but not this early in the profession loop. You have to attract people to the system not deter.

[novel delta]

well we have tradepost now with 10% tax rate. I stopped spamming it yesterday when taxes was lowered after mayoral election

[primal torrent]

Incorrect you have to attract the right kind of people crafting shouldn't be everyone's thing

Obviously my opinion

[native pilot]

You may think im incorrect but Intrepid will side with the broke players. You shouldn't be broke trying to level the literal first grade of professions. Im all for scaling it up as you progress but it's too much too early. Intrepid will change vendor cost and processing fees. You'll see.

[novel delta]

well u would have attracted much more people if there were no gear drops, and you could sell your lvl 10 crafts, and even lvl 0 advanced crafts.
PROBLEM IS GEAR DROPS, AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD A PATCH WHERE THEY INCREASED DROP CHANCES AT LVL 10+ POIS, CAN SOMOME EXPLAIN ME PLS?
sorry for caps but it was so UNNESESARY so i cringed hard when i saw patch notes

WHy just WHY

[primal torrent]

You're probably right and I hate it

[novel delta]

why increase rate

Why increase of damn drops?

[native pilot]

Again, I agree with you. It's a large issue and should be priority #1 but saying processing fees and vendor cost is NOT an issue, I'll have to disagree.

[novel delta]

maybe i dont understand something? Maybe game supposed to be with GRIND AS CORE PILLAR OF IT?

[ashen lodge]

Tbh did you noticed some bug with marketplace items, mine shows empty mail with no coins after it sold.

[primal torrent]

It's not and hasn't been for me.

Anyway nap time

[novel delta]

its old bug, when items are sold, and when you collect gold from mail, next time u visit mail, it shows again but in grey and without gold

[native pilot]

I don't understand the gatekeeping mentality at the very beginning of professions. Novice should be accessible to everyone. Apprentice on up should start to feel the ramp up. Also novice is lv 1 through 10 gear. In the grand scheme of things, that gear will primarily be for twink alts in the future.

[ashen plover]

For fucks sake, those tweaks of decreasing gold sinks at start and increase them to higher tier items, can be done easily on the dev side. They should be focusing on more pressing matters to deliver the core mechanics that are still missing. All of what you are talking about are minor fixes that should be done in Beta stage of testing. Please try to understand that you are ATM in alpha stage with lots of missing features and systems and they shouldn't focus their time and energy on tweaking this kind of things. That is for Beta

Repeating this same idea over and over again is just pointless spam

[native pilot]

Which is why we should have those changes probably within a month

[ashen plover]

I'm glad you were unable to understand what I meant. This way it will be easier to ignore your messages

[native pilot]

You don't have to listen to me if you don't want to.

[opaque phoenix]

Has anyone come across craftng recipe drops in the Anvils?

[novel delta]

for fuk sake, you do realise that game devs says that craft is core pillar of game.
let me explain to you what that means
If you have crafting as core of game, you need to test economic properly, and you need to start it doing now. Because it could take years to balance it properly, not with single magical fixes after fixing proper matters. With this state of game crafters cant selfsustain well meaning they cant progress and give better results for testing, meaning they burn out and quit.
For now only craft that is properly tested with large amount of palyerbase is novice. IF you think that is small issue, please explain to me what are those PRESSING MATTERS that are more important than said core pillar of game which crafting is supposed to be

i tend to disagree with point of tweaking prices of processing/vendor items, because i think they are fine, but its just me. What i want is them to adress DROP issue which kills crafting

[nova remnant]

Idk what they are going to do long term.

Imagine if there were tier 5 nodes. People will hit 50 in 2 weeks? Will take a node months to level. Like months of using white level 50 gear, and people going through 4 tiers of useless artisan stuff. Idk what they gonna do

[novel delta]

in current state u need really good investment from grinders to sustain leveling to GM artisan. Maybe this is how they see crafting - to be group activity which belongs onyl to big guilds since they can funnel enough gold to useless crafting 1-40.

And I always wonder is someone from crafting team reading this channel at all?
because i ve seen so many good points here (not from me) which coudl be implemented and they are not.

Anyways i can bitch about it all i want but i found myself enjoying p3. I guess i am having Stockholm syndrome

[opaque phoenix]

in previous phase a couple solo people bought materials off market with mob grinding money or caravan money

maxed out tailor one of them I think another one was selling weapons

[copper pagoda]

i dislike that crafting is an end game function with everything short of that being mostly disposable

the only crafting going on is the required stuff. powering up to get tools to gather with, and doing town building recipes

@chilly flame are you a cook in game? because i heard cats make biscuits

[chilly flame]

steals the fish cakes

[novel delta]

If there were no complete drops in game - even novice adnvanced crafts would be in demand

early on

[copper pagoda]

and they were for all of 3 days

[crude finch]

good

that way we as artisans would hav money flowing in so we can level our skills

[novel delta]

all those emblems are fine for drops, because advanced gear on all levels need it, and they worth a lot, so grinders will get crafting parts (emblems in this iteration) and glint, and that alone will be at least as equal as mediocre crafter could recieve from crafting.

but for now Grinders are in pocess of ~95% of money and ~99.9999% of valuable gear at this stage.

[crude finch]

gear should only drop common and uncommon and never drop above node level.

[copper pagoda]

weaponsmith in my guild was selling lvl 6 stuff for 1g or 40s and 4 emblems, to fund his crafting. was brilliant

[novel delta]

even p2.5 wasnt as bad as this, because we had A HOPE - APROMISED CRAFTING BALANCE PATCH (which came at end of 2.5 xD)
now at p3 with this state of craft vs grind and no crafting balance patch in near future, there is no hope.
There will be only endless pain in nearest future for us brothers in crafting. Embrace the suck

Remember when we were young and had beautiful crafting system in p2? What a time was to be alive then

[cedar moat]

Shift+RC

[upper dune]

disagree with the "node level" part as they really need to find better ways to encourage people to farm gear in lower tier nodes.

[crude finch]

And how would this stop it?

Drops should never exceed node level you shouldn’t be getting level 20 drops in a T1 node

[upper dune]

less mob density, I can understand, but what the mobs carry shouldn't be influenced by node level imo.

[crude finch]

Why not?

[upper dune]

I know that doesn't solve the problem that you are looking at, just a consideration in regards ot the solution you proposed.

[crude finch]

Why should loot not be tied to node level?

[upper dune]

why should mobs carry different loot based on the node? doesn't make sense to me.

[crude finch]

So level 100 gear say should drop outside of lionshold day 1?

[novel delta]

simple, becasue everyone will go play in 1-2 nodes which leveled first, because other nodes wont have loot for them, and then you end up with two lvl 6 nodes and all lvl 1-2

[crude finch]

We already have this? At least with my solution crafting will be better xD

[novel delta]

well people in tropics are leveling nodes by farming hawk bow for example

[upper dune]

I'd be more inclined to have all gear drops require decon into usable components that need to be crafted to be wearable.

[novel delta]

idk less dencity or mob lvl tied to node lvl will do many problems and hard to balance. Solution is simple, remove full item drops

[crude finch]

Just extra hassle

Also if mobs didn’t drop above an uncommon peolle wouldn’t be farming mobs for gear anyway

You should never allow mobs to be farmed for gear

Mobs should be farmed for XP and specific crafting components

[novel delta]

mobs which drops gear will invite so many bots on release

[crude finch]

Mobs should never drop gear that is good

[upper dune]

the bot issues will have to be dealt with regardless of whether drops are items or mats.

[novel delta]

Imagine one of all those zerg guild grinders looking at this channel and laughing hard at us at this moment

[crude finch]

Fuck them

My genuine reaction

Zerg rushers fucking kill games like this

Everythjng we can do to stop them is a W in my book

Crafters must control the flow of gear. Rn crafters could vanish and yeah maybe no one would have the best loot possible but my god they would sure have the best loot they would need to get by.

Right now artisans are surplus to requirement

[barren arrow]

This phase is about crafting, but then they add drops that are far better than anything that is base crafted items. And if you wanted to match the power or quality of dropped items with the ones you can craft you would need 100+ of each resource to even craft it. Why would anyone want to waste their time trying to do that when they can just sit and grind drops?

[left parrot]

I think you’re noticing a bigger problem with the node system which is that the current system does nothing to encourage people to level a node

I think that might be partially solved once they add in the non-voting mayorships

Only one node type is supposed to be voted in; the others are supposed to be most node xp earned, most money bid, battle royale, and idr if there’s a fifth one

[crude finch]

Man I can’t wait to have to farm 100 legendary copper and 50 legendary wood and legendary basalt moulds

🙂

For one thing

[fervent hound]

good. i don't like crafting.

i like fighting enemies like a real man.

[crude finch]

You have no idea how much the metal strain is to fucking craft rn xD

[lament shell]

So I did some crafting yesterday for the first tim ein Phase 3. I needed 10 copper for a mace. Easy enough. Does apprentice and journeyman require so much more?

[crude finch]

SO SO much more

Like

In the hundreds

Now imagine you wanna craft something say heroic?

[lament shell]

Jesus...

[crude finch]

Let me give ya a little break down

so appretnice pickaxe takes 10 copper 11 oak and one basalt

a journeyman pickaxe takes one oak one basalt and 30 tin

an ADEPT chestpeice takes 102 TENDONITE INGOTS 18 GRANITE MOULDS

and a bunch of otehr stuff

but basically making a even rare one of them is gonna be near impossible and not even close to worth the efort

[lament shell]

wut. I mean, 30 tin is already kinda pushing it. 102 ingots.. the actual F.

[crude finch]

and imagine wanting a legendary version 🙂

oh and btw incase i didnt mention ONE ingot of that takes 2 TENDONITE AND 1 TENDONITE FRAGMENT SO YOU NEED OVER 300

[lament shell]

Or really anything north of rare. ow 🙁 That hurts my crafting soul so much. I hope this is just one extreme of the pendulum swing

[crude finch]

300 tendonite for a single fucking adept chest piece

[lament shell]

I need to lie down

[crude finch]

imagine how we all feel

but dw

some fucking mob grinder will get that in an hour or two might even get a rare version of it. 🙂

[lament shell]

Friend of mine made a toon up north and asked about the minotaur up there. Do they drop gear? I thought if they're all at least one star mobs they'd drop decent pieces if so. But damn, I really would like to craft that stuff instead.

[crude finch]

crafting is utterly pointless rn

and super expensive

[lament shell]

Message received. If anyone know about the minos in the anvils let me know please 🙂

[crude finch]

we just cant keep up

by the time we unloacked apprentice crafting people already had full sets of rare level 20 gear

[lament shell]

Yea, I suppose that's the route we'll take too then for now til it's all patched. I can't imagine it'll stay this way

[crude finch]

if it does me and MANY other just wont play the game anymore

[hollow spade]

whats market value for legendary larch?

[crude finch]

there isnt any yet

its whatever you can get for it

the market hasnt stabalised there are no "market value" yet

give it a few more weeks and prices will control

[cursive sphinx]

PvE casuals need it for artisan apprentice tools, they normally cant afford it if it is pricy

[crude finch]

cuz the money income is fucked

[novel delta]

Alpha Two Update Notes 0.15.9 - Friday, September 5, 2025
Low tier equipment has been added to vendors at artisanship points of interest, settlement marketplaces, and at service buildings

wut

[crude finch]

intresting

[novel delta]

another blow to crafts?

[somber crown]

WHY

literally just read the patch nodes. Why do they hate crafters

[crude finch]

wait is that meaning common apprentice tools?

[kind nest]

🤣

[queen island]

so... were just going backwards or are they the same as the ones we pickup?

[candid ridge]

"Low tier equipment has been added to vendors at artisanship points of interest, settlement marketplaces, and at service building"
WISH THEY WOULD MAKE UP THEIR MINDS FFS

[crude finch]

they must be the crude ones

[somber crown]

Are we assuming equipment isn’t gear?

Cause I read it as gear

[candid ridge]

So just as artisans are in position to make low level gear and have somewhere to sell it, now new players get vendor again??

[queen island]

yeah it seems vague, but it says artisan area...

[crude finch]

it must be crude tools for people who missed it

[queen island]

Hope this is it.

[candid ridge]

let's hope so

[somber crown]

Watch it be low tier initiate gear 🤡

[crude finch]

if its apprentice tools i might have to have a little cry and few chouice words xD

[hollow spade]

it hope its not apprentice tools, spent days gathering for my legendary axe

[ashen lodge]

Do you like it ?:)

[novel delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299155791609069659/1413631527035867266/image.png?ex=68bca274&is=68bb50f4&hm=b20431a27ab9730c4b9e4466b841998242c0cbfb988404be03ecc20e20eeecb7&

[crude finch]

i only went for an epic axe cuz cba for legendary xD

[somber crown]

…..

This is stupid

[crude finch]

Ok im in favour of this

no no think about it

it might stabilise the price of items in the shop

now we have some sorta benchamark for prices

[somber crown]

Processing costs alone on those is like 75s

How is that a benchmark

[candid ridge]

Seriously Inteprid WTF?? Vendor now has pretty much all initiative stuff and recipes????

[novel delta]

YOU FUKIN CANT LEVEL 10-20 ON ARTISNA NOW, BECASUE VENDOR GEAR IS 10 TIEMS CHEAPER

[queen island]

Are you fucking kidding me?

[candid ridge]

So all stuff that artisan craft to level and then sell now worthless!!!

[somber crown]

This sis stupid

[queen island]

Camt buy with quality

[sweet elk]

wether its correct or not, it seems their idea is mobs and vendors provide common gear and crafters provide higher rarity gear

what were supposed to do with the mounds of crap common gear we need to craft to level who knows

[limber oyster]

the benchmark prices was what it took to make things at a loss

They need an econ head at the end of the day because basically artisans are shot in to foot right now, did they change the reagent prices at all?

[candid ridge]

This is so screwed up. Interpid clearly has no clue what they are doing... this is BS

[sweet elk]

they even put food back on, something they acknowledged was a mistake

[queen island]

Its all VERY backwards

[limber oyster]

They do this and give no communication about it is the biggest issue

[nova remnant]

My guess is that too many people are stalling out and they want to put in a short term fix so people can keep leveling? But idk.

The mid-late teens are pretty brutal, especially without weapons.

[queen island]

just folding over and taking it from the vocal minority

[atomic mural]

Should I buy this gear or will Steve roll it back as he is looking into it?

[hollow spade]

steven said something in the main chat, this may be unintentional

[wheat coral]

I was very happy about the state of crafting yesterday except for the broken recipie issues

[queen island]

Its so easy to craft one though

[sweet elk]

oh so you mean everyone should just stockpile now?

the damage is done

[nova remnant]

The people who struggle at 15, are the same ones who don’t have 6g to buy two apprentice weapons

[queen island]

oh god not another rollback

[novel delta]

well if its prepatch

i am ok with that

[queen island]

Yeah but it takes them 12 hours to do...

[analog mulch]

Dear Steven with team,

Literally the only thing I wanted since the launch of Phase 3 was cheaper crafting costs, I love to play other games but I come back to Ashes for the gathering because I just love it but it kinda feels weird to treat every single < Rare material I spend hours on gathering in your beautiful world like trash. They are not worth doing anything with because it's too expensive with the added vendor crafting item, a preferred cost would be 1-5 copper per piece and NOT 30, like come on. I want to be able to grind 500 wood and then just sit all day and make them to planks but I cant do that now......Please just decrease the cost of crafting, I beg you. It's the only thing that everyone wants.

After that you can start doing other shit:)

[somber crown]

At a bare minimum, vendor gear should sell for 200% of the processing cost to craft it

[fervent wind]

NO ... LET THEM BUY IT FOR PENNIES ON THE MARKET!!

What a crock of shit

[candid ridge]

The issue was simply that nodes levelled slowly and crafters had nowhere to sell gear. As soon as we got market crafters were ready to provide all the gear people needed at prety low prices. Winstead on EU had 77 pages withing hours. Now all that effort wasted!

[analog mulch]

It is such an easy fix, lower the cost and make gathering and crafting actually doable without money grinding as preparation...

[sweet elk]

also im seeing nothing from steven saying it was a mistake, source?

[candid ridge]

Crafting is expernsive. Selling low level crafting gear was a way to get you money bakck and that exactly what was happening, until this incredible clueless patch just landed!

[atomic mural]

Search by user. He said he is looking into it.

[sweet elk]

i tried i mustve missed it

oh well no detail anyways 😄

im not sure there was any need to change the vendors at all tbh?

[atomic mural]

Takes time. Like when the Lego mats dropped like crazy. That was two hours before they decided to do a roll back which took 12 hours.
Unsure how this one will play out.

[sweet elk]

people were complaining about not finding apprentice recipes sure, but waiting for the building made sense thats fine

[glass elbow]

Common items on the vendor is fine. As someone else said, it serves as a baseline.

However, processing and crafting fees now need to be adjusted such that they are less expensive than those vendor prices. This is the two-step solution to making everyone happy.

[sweet elk]

baseline novice gear maybe.. not apprentice

[analog mulch]

Stupid me, I always thought that when Intrepid said listening to feedback that they would do what we want, now I realised tht they do the opposite of what we want....

[candid ridge]

maybe if every solo was trying to get every recipe, then sure they may have seemed rare, but that's not how this is supposed to be played

[fervent wind]

BS .. it ISNT a baseline because we CANNOT make it for that little

[hollow spade]

oh shit I acutally really want to buy that lumberjack shirt before it gets deleted from the server lol

[glass elbow]

Read the whole comment

They need to now reduce the processing and crafting fees to match. If it costs us less to process and craft equivalent items, this becomes a win for all of us. But they have to follow through on that step.

[fervent wind]

they won't ... It's a constant troll from Intrepid ... The disrespect paid to crafters is unbelievable.

[glass elbow]

Well that attitude isn't going to do anyone any good, including yourself.

[crimson umbra]

anyone have a chart for how much xp you need for lvl 10/20 skills?

[glass elbow]

Approach this from the proper angle. Push for those prices to be used as a baseline for how much processing should cost for the same recipes.

[analog mulch]

NO, costs should be much cheaper to craft because you also need to add time

[glass elbow]

If people actually push for that rather than stomping their feet like children, and intrepid listens to us, crafting will be in a very good place.

[nova remnant]

Ashes codex has an xp table per profession. But it does t list xp per craft

[glass elbow]

Sure, let the processing costs be like 75% of that.

[crimson umbra]

ty

[atomic mural]

Too many variables with how you can mix n match mats?

[nova remnant]

New world had an xp crafting calculator website for leveling skills

Ashes has a lot of variables though, would be tougher

[crimson umbra]

how much does the crafting scroll increase xp by? 5%?

it just says 370, which isn't helpful lmao

[queen island]

It says

370xp

[sweet elk]

im not sure now, 150 rating used to be 50%. but from the node buffs not equalling that now i think they changed the formula

[crimson umbra]

so you just get a flat 370 extra xp per craft?

[queen island]

yes

[atomic mural]

You get the bonus 370 when starting the craft. Someone posted it a day or two back.

[crimson umbra]

thanks

[severe axle]

are books missing from the adept gear on the vendor?

[halcyon stream]

I wouldn't even care about the vendor having items if they didn't undercut the cost of crafting so much. THey should be set to at least 25% more than fees

[sweet elk]

most of the artisan feedback from P2 was that nothing should be on vendors

id hope this is just a mistake, but that would require a rollback

on a side note its okay.. were saved mob spawning also is broken it looks like 😄

[hollow spade]

yup theres the rollback

[sweet elk]

had to be done, seeya all tomorrow eu 😛

[crude finch]

are they rolling back to the start of downtime at like 5? or the start of the whole day?

[sweet elk]

when downtime started

[crude finch]

So a few hours ago?

[sweet elk]

so you just lost the last 45 mins pretty much

[crude finch]

oh ehh wa only travling back with my haul anyway so nothing lost for me

but fuck me how did this get oast

[sweet elk]

better than losing the entire economy 😄

[candid ridge]

still not convinced rollback is going to resolve this. seems by what he says they are just removing apprentice gear. the issue is that no gear should be on vendors

[past vessel]

Ppls bro let me craft the recipes that i've learned. Majority of the recipes i've found, i cant even see in the weaponsmithing station.

[glass elbow]

"Losing the entire economy" lol

Meanwhile, still no rollback to account for all the legendaries from static spawns that 1% of the player base is hoarding.

[sweet elk]

the only thing id be maybe concerned about?

If you read what steven said carefully... does that mean a T5 city would have these vendors?

[glass elbow]

I get what you mean, but ignoring the elephant in the room doesn't change that it exists.

[candid ridge]

I don't understand how putting items back on vendor was a mistake, when they put it in the patch notes?

[sweet elk]

i think the apprentice stuff might disappear

not the novice

or its a cover up 😄

[wheat coral]

river stalkers and 2nd sword is alright imo but nothing else

even then crafters were using rivers and 2nd to break even

[crude finch]

dw guys next update they will add legendary level 100 god armour to the vendor for 5 gold, you know to balance the economy out 😉

[wheat coral]

I was worried about this too

[sweet elk]

as i said if this was a bug, but is intential for a higher level node. You basically would get this with a city T5 node

[candid ridge]

I don't understand why 10 days in we can't be allowed to let the economy run its course as it started in this phase. The marketplaces have only been up a few days and have already been doing their job providing all the gear people need. Why suddenly change things now?

[somber crown]

Least they grabbed this quickly

[wheat coral]

The last week has been the best artisan experience I have had personally

[crude finch]

What do you mean? Everyone had the gear they needed long before the market opened up?

You can just grind gear from mob drops the market is only useful for mats selling

[candid ridge]

I agree, but for those few that maybe didn't the market finished the job.

[crude finch]

If you don’t grind mob drops your an artisan and don’t need great gear

[glass elbow]

Because whether you or I like it or not, the majority of current players (and potential players in the future) do not want a game in which there are no methods of aquiring any gear, including and especially baseline garbage-tier gear, aside from crafting. That idea is a non-starter for many players.

[crude finch]

I’m a mage but rn the only gear I invest in is whatever gives me the most HP so I can run away when I agro mobs whike I try farm mats

[crude finch]

Hence why I like my idea, fear drops should NEVER go above uncommon and be tied to node level so no one can get better gear than the node.

[glass elbow]

That is a suggestion which actually has merit.

All these people crying and demanding no drops at all, not even common, have no merit.

[crude finch]

Hey I’m in favour of no drops at all 😉 but that’s the compromise I like.

[glass elbow]

Intrepid saw how unpopular the no-drops model was and course-corrected.

[candid ridge]

I highly doubt that. Maybe the ones that are playing the same cookie cutter mmos over and over. Ashes is meant to be different. It's meant have a player driven economy, You can't have player driven economy when you shaft the people feeding that economy.

[glass elbow]

Indeed, compromise is the game of the game. Crafters need to make the best gear, but that doesn't mean they need to make the only gear.

[glass elbow]

Yes you can and Eve online has been proving this for over two decades dude.

[novel delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299155791609069659/1413642779430490172/image.png?ex=68bcacee&is=68bb5b6e&hm=4d87ed492fb2e2fc5c6d12b182a76cf609a5a596c0be9966ca5fc72153704b6e&

[glass elbow]

Even in Eve online, which has the longest-standing and most robust economy in the MMO world, "mobs" drop trash-tier gear.

[crude finch]

I was under the impression 100% of stuff in eve was player crafted? Like all the ships and titans and stuff?

[crude finch]

LOL

[glass elbow]

No lmao, thats something people misrepresent to push their extremist takes.

[novel delta]

yea but, are those drops better than anything crafters can do in some period of time? (for us it will be prettylong period since we ened Jm stations to be up)?

[crude finch]

THIS IS THE ISSUE

[glass elbow]

Eve "rats" (npc trash mobs) drop low-grade ship equipment (gear) - it is not competitive with the good crafted equipment (Tech 2) in 99% of cases but it does have a niche and it serves as a method to allow new players to outfit their ships with something from the start even if it is garbage.

[crude finch]

by the time we had acsess to apprentice crafting benches peolle had full sets of rare level 20 armour and more they was sellojbg to others

We literally cannot keep up with the rate gear enters the game

[queen island]

lower crafting costs, especially at low tiers would solve a lot. The barrier to crafting any decent amount is very high

[crude finch]

Bull crafting cost discount

Both in terms of craft cost and the amount of reagents needed

[queen island]

But were like an order of magnitude off right now;

If I spend an hour gathering wood to level carpentry, shouldnt cost me 10 hours of grinding in silver.

[crude finch]

Refining 100 oak should cost less per oak then 10

[glass elbow]

Generally speaking no, and drops in Ashes shouldn't be either. But letting mobs drop commons, and in rare cases uncommons, is in line with that.

However it is worth pointing out that in Eve there are also the equivalent of named mob and world drop spawns that drop high end gear, which is even better than crafted gear in most cases.

And guess what, that game's economy has been thriving for 20 years and is one of the most profitable games to be a crafter in.

[glass elbow]

This. Is. The. Solution.

[crude finch]

The eve economy is better than some nations irl.

[sweet elk]

Its possible, and im only saying possible, that crafting costs look fine when the entire economy is online. With nodes still developing caravan/pack gold is very low/non existent.

That would then point the problem to why is everything developing so slow while levelling is happening so fast

one caravan run in p2 was like 50g

[crude finch]

Man I want 50g

I’d be able to craft for like an hour

[novel delta]

unpopular opinion - i am fine with crafting costs now

[crude finch]

XX

[crude finch]

Not just unpopular but wrong

XD

[sweet elk]

the only issue is if you think that it is fine with everything online, how do you fix it. because slowing down levelling significantly will definitely go down badly

(not necessarly worse though)

[glass elbow]

You can be fine with it. That doesn't mean it is in a healthy state.

[copper pagoda]

Crafting is supposed to be a core component and a primary focus............
"Low tier equipment has been added to vendors at artisanship points of interest, settlement marketplaces, and at service buildings"

[glass elbow]

Crafting can still be a primary focus if the majority of the rarity spectrum comes from it exclusively.

[crude finch]

The issue rn is they don’t

[novel delta]

You can say that. That doesn't mean its right.

[crude finch]

As far as I’m aware legendary gear is dropping?

[glass elbow]

The number of people who have, in their minds, turned "crafters make the best shit" into "crafters make the only shit" boggles my mind.

[sweet elk]

Actually how about, mobs levels are limited by node level. so there wouldnt be anything over lvl 19 right now and no above apprentice drops

[crude finch]

Crafters should only make some of the shit

For example good XP scrolls, gathering tools, gathering clothes, high level healing items.

[glass elbow]

good XP scrolls

[crude finch]

Has been my suggestion for days. As well as mob drops bejng limited to uncommon and common

[glass elbow]

High level healing items

Okay, so low grade versions of those items is fine from vendors, yes?

[crude finch]

No

But as drops yes

[glass elbow]

Or from other sources such as drops

[crude finch]

Not vendors but yes drops

[glass elbow]

Quest crates, etc

[crude finch]

Or quest rewards

[ashen lodge]

Lol I think I saw 1 guy running with xp scroll since start

[crude finch]

Yeah that’s my point. The low xp scrolls from quests are fine

But not the good ones

[copper pagoda]

i've seen heroic lvl 20 stuff

[atomic mural]

they only last 5 mins tho or is that different for that particular one?

[ashen lodge]

I mean, no one use xp scroll.

[crude finch]

That’s my issue! You should not be able to get level 20 heroic gear the same day or often before we even have the ability to craft them

[crude finch]

There are better ones that give more xp and last longer.

[glass elbow]

Okay so there you go. You already have a working model that is acceptable to you. Quests and drops can provide low-end scrolls, consumes, and gear and be fine. Crafters are the exclusive source of good versions of those items.

[copper pagoda]

minus the fact higher level gear drops than can be crafted

[glass elbow]

Yeah, and that should be removed, 10% agreed.

[crude finch]

Some things however should be crafter only.

[copper pagoda]

so they need to sort out bench progression, much more than drops.

[crude finch]

Gathering tools, anything above uncommon, mounts, some armours and weapons should be crafter only and they should be the best.

[atomic mural]

would add POI's to that as well - the massive boost to some settlements will need to be looked at

[crude finch]

It should LITERALLY BE IMPOSSIBLE to get the best gear by drops or even great gear.

[glass elbow]

Those two are linked though, to be sure. Running around at level 10+ with starter weapons is dogshit gameplay.

[sweet elk]

people level too fast, and artisan/nodes level too slow. However the rate at which nodes/artisans level up i think makes way more sense than the levelling rate

[analog mulch]

Lower crafting costs & decrease dropped gear rarity literally fixes most problems for most people

[crude finch]

Then hook up with a crafter and get better shit

With lower crafting costs we won’t have to charge so much

So PvE peeps doing quests and glint farming can pay for it

But also I think mobs should drop some crafting components

[glass elbow]

I mean I have already crafted my own apprentice gathering tools.

[copper pagoda]

crafting is an end-game skill, once you're already level cap, then you just power shit through levels till you can make high grade cap level stuff

that's the problem

it's supposed to be meaningful the whole way up

[glass elbow]

But the point here is that you have to look at the playerbase as a whole, not just you, or me.

[crude finch]

Artisans NEED to work with grinders to get acsess to some reagents let’s say. And the grinders NEED crafters to use the drops they get to craft them better gear.

[crude finch]

I paid for the craft but gave em all the stuff. I’m levelling arcane crafting .

[crude finch]

I am

It can’t be good to be a solo player spending two days grinding and having max gear. wtf you do now?

[copper pagoda]

any lvl 10 drops >> the best lvl 0 crafted, makes lvl 0 worthless. any lvl 20 drops >>> the best level 10 crafted, making lvl 10 crafts useless, and it's already like this, imagine what it's going to be when the cap is lvl 50

there will be 0 meaning to doing anything other than grinding xp to cap, then playing the game

they've made it hard to hit +lvl mobs to your lvl, but nothing about using lvl 0 gear and zergs or exploits to jump way up in levels

[analog mulch]

this is very true, just look at the numbers between initiate and adept, like wtf. The rarities should make them blend more into each other

[glass elbow]

Sounds like the solution here is to make the top end of the spectrum have stats that are better than commons of the next tier up.

[crude finch]

I think the level XP for crafting needs to be higher too.

We need levels too man xD

[copper pagoda]

i'm pretty proud of having 30 fishing 25 cooking, over 10 in herb, lumber, mining, will be over 10 in farming once i pull stuff from the station, alchemy almost 10, and working on scribing. but none of that means i can even feed a guildy to make me a weapon better than what drops

[crude finch]

How tf you afford all that xD

[copper pagoda]

2 accounts and i grind a LOT

[analog mulch]

The length to level or craft is almost never a problem that is hard to adjust if needed, but it should feel rewarding all the way up

[glass elbow]

I mean 30 fishing and cooking can be done literally afk

[crude finch]

I’m fine with how long levelling the crafting skills take

My issue is with MY personal level

[copper pagoda]

mostly yeah, and processing is done on my 2nd account too

[crude finch]

Should go up a little more

[copper pagoda]

my personal level, only 15

[crude finch]

From crafting

I’d like to see crafters level going up a little faster. Not lods faster

[crude finch]

But you shouldn’t be level 15 with all that done

[main smelt]

is fishing supposed to stay the AFK activity or is there a mini game in the works?

[copper pagoda]

i ground up to 9 on my 2nd account then started all the processing, and still go out with guild to help them grind groups

[analog mulch]

and this is phase 3 so we shouldn't even be discussing how the design aspect should look like, this should have already been fixed, they had all phase 1 & 2 to get the basic gather, craft + drops to work

[copper pagoda]

my gatherer account (main play) is lvl 12

[glass elbow]

We've heard things about a mini game for fishing but that may only be for certain sub-activities in fishing.

[crude finch]

I personally don’t expect it to be perfect but being this bad is a tad concerning

[copper pagoda]

2 computers, a tank and a bard, i can have the bard target the tank and just press the second keyboard to heal while i grind things for xp and poop

[somber crown]

The main aspects of economy should of been fleshed out. Only difference should of been additional resources and recipes when new regions came online

[analog mulch]

It's very concerning, we are discussing the most basic foundational systems right now, phase 3 should mainly be about expanding content on these systems not adjusting them from the start

[copper pagoda]

i 3-boxed in EQ, so this isn't magic

but i'm ashamed at there being heroic lvl 20 gear dropping before the first node hit village and then we magically found out that villages had apprentice tables

[crude finch]

Artisans are currently surplus to requirement

We are not needed

Nore wanted cuz we charge for our services, fucking mobs drop legendary shit for free xD

[copper pagoda]

i'm happy T3 nodes have T2 benches, so much better than being at least another week behind drops

so that is a positive change

[atomic hill]

Can someone tell me how to train a ram? I see i can get the base ram from novice hunter but the animal husbandry station in Joeva doesn't have the ram option there. Will it just appear once I get a ram or do I gotta go somewhere else?

[copper pagoda]

and i know Steven is all about his city building, but THAT is the gatekeeping mechanic that's holding crafters behind. why not have an NPC town, and if you want to opt into play, then you go inflate your ego elsewhere?

[glass elbow]

All nodes should have all benches at <node tier> -1. That should become part of their basic design.

Pushing beyond that is where construction should come into play.

[sweet elk]

Maybe they should unlink towns being built from grind xp, just make the whole things artisan crates

[copper pagoda]

anything to give crafting a chance. you already need grinders to provide essence / emblems, fight similar level mobs for poop, go into places to get stuff that has mobs surrounding it, etc

[crude finch]

No they just need to control the gear drop

[glass elbow]

Every villiage in real life had a blacksmith, a baker, a brewer, etc. Basic services were just part of maintaining civilization.

[crude finch]

Gear drops Imo is the MAIN issue, with crafting cost bejng a close second

[copper pagoda]

3 days, 3 whole days of crafting being validly tested, then they threw it out the window. if they hadn't caved, then they could have had the chance to actually test crafting and node building. but they gave into the people that don't want to do either.

if you have to build towns and crafters up to get gear, and force their hands to actually do that, rather than ignore every single mechanic that the game is based around, it'd be a better game

if all you have to do is grind to cap and complain, there becomes nothing different between this game and every single other game on the market

[glass elbow]

Instead of blaming the people who don't want to do either (which will exist in massive quantities no matter how much you don't like it) you should blame the amount of friction in the game that prevents crafters and mnon-crafters from interfacing in mutually beneficial ways.

[crude finch]

You should be FORCED to interact with crafters

[glass elbow]

If it were easier to put crafted gear in the hands of non-crafters, this would benefit both.

[crude finch]

I don’t give a fuck if PvP or PvE peeps don’t wanna

[copper pagoda]

Albion Online does the best with this

[crude finch]

This is a player driven economy if they don’t like it they can fuck off 🙂

[copper pagoda]

the zergs don't do city building, they just stuff ballot boxes, get flying mount, and feel cool

[glass elbow]

The problem is that the economy has square wheels and axles greased with sand.

[crude finch]

Tbh the game o think they should look to, I know it’s very diffrent but as a good vision.

Foxhole

[copper pagoda]

you don't see them running crates all day long. you don't see them chopping down trees just to get ANY node xp

[glass elbow]

Markets spin up too late and are way too much of a pain in the ass to use.

[crude finch]

The presistant MMO warfare game

[raw linden]

i am of the mind that level cap should be determined by the highest level node in the server level 10 if the highest level node is wilderness 20 for settlement 30 for level 3 40 for level 4 and 50 for level 5 since they changed the level of the towns from 6 to 5 it makes total sense to me

[copper pagoda]

they walk in and take it when everyone else has done the work

[crude finch]

Foxhole would be a great place to look.

They have mastered the crafter fighter cooperation

[wide scroll]

Low tier equipment has been added to vendors at artisanship points of interest, settlement marketplaces, and at service buildings - this was a bug? 🤔

[crude finch]

No it wasn’t they are bullshiting

[glass elbow]

This is a good idea. It also needs to come along with a moratorium of ~2 weeks for sieges on a new server.

[glass elbow]

I believe the bug was the pricing, and the availability of certain items.

[crude finch]

Tho that does raise a question

[sweet elk]

I still think it is a bug and we basically got the city vendors. So I think we’ll end up with novice gear on the town vendor

[crude finch]

They are using a formula to price items?

[raw linden]

oh i forgot about the whole thing with node destruction i dont think having a node destroyed should lower the level cap i guess i think it should be based on the highest level a node has ever reached in the server

im unsure what moratorium means to understand the thing with the 2 weeks is that like a grace period of no sieges for 2 weeks?

[glass elbow]

Basically yes. It would allow time for multiple nodes to get pushed up so even if one gets knocked down, there is another to keep the level cap up.

[raw linden]

gotcha gotcha

[glass elbow]

But overall yes, it is a good idea.

If we have to get certifications for increasing our crafting level, it makes sense for adventuring level to be the same - that introduces a method for capping it at node level.

[crude finch]

Why tf are there over 100 people in the VC xD

[raw linden]

and it would stop the blazing through to level 25 or 50 or whatever

[atomic mural]

Adept Gear for example #alpha-two-general message

[glass elbow]

People are bored since the servers are down.

[crude finch]

But no one can join the VC?

It’s set to 1 person

[glass elbow]

Those caps can be adjusted, no idea why they clamped it down to 1.

[wide scroll]

The stopped new people joining because people were kicking off about the last update

[crude finch]

I though Steven was in there or something xD

[fervent wind]

SUGGESTION - The highest power gear drop should be a grey version of what can be crafted on a current bench. REPAIRING - should HAVE to be from a crafter created Repair Kit. It would require a repair kit equal to or higher than the tier of the gear. Adept Gear needs Adept Repair Kit ... From the proper crafter ... Weaponsmith repair kits for weapons etc

[hollow spade]

im cool with the idea of having lvl 10 gray gear at vendors, just make it absolute dog shit compared to any gear a crafter can make

[somber crown]

And have it costs more than the processing costs of such crafted gear

[hollow spade]

oh ofc ofc, this way the poors can still gear up and crafting would still be hella relevant

[fervent wind]

Phase 3 Gathering is 🔥 ... Phase 3 processing and crafting is 💩

[wet quarry]

Not even remotely a bug. It was a poor attempt to distract from horrible mismanagement

[limber oyster]

There is supposed to be a repair system and it would help so much in getting the economy running

[wet quarry]

If it was a bug why did they have patch notes literally stating the exact change.

[somber crown]

Exactly, and if you are on an alt and have tons of gold you can buy the gear at an increased convince fee

They say the bug was the prices

Which idk

[misty heron]

finally i figured it out

[somber crown]

Cause the prices are like 20x off lol

[sweet elk]

Because having novice gear but not apprentice gear would line up with patch notes and the stated bug

If you read what Steven said carefully it says the vendors thought they were in a max level node

Ie this is city vendors not town

[misty heron]

So I would like to know, why some of the items have these emblems that seem to be near impossible to find in order to craft

I have spent 3 days trying to craft this sword and it feels like getting in a grinding kill group is more worth my time in terms of drops

[fervent wind]

Its ok for white gear drops if repairs were tied to crafting ... If you only have an adept bench, then you could only repair adept gear. If a level 20 drops, fine, use it until it breaks until the settlements catch up

[somber crown]

Or do something like mobs have a low chance of dropping a piece that is bound to you and is un-repairable

[glass elbow]

Phase 3 gathering is only 🔥 for people who have static legendary nodes on lockdown. Once that is fixed, it will be very solid overall though, agreed.

[fervent wind]

that has been fixed

[rough helm]

can confirm no static drops (with mining) but hotspots work fine and they are good to have

[glass elbow]

When did they re-fix it?

They fixed it, then rolled back the fix. There has been no mention of actually implementing the permanent fix since then.

[fervent wind]

after the first roll-back lmao

[glass elbow]

The roll back went back to static rarity.

[fervent wind]

yeah ... they screwed up the mix ... it wasn't switching like it was supposed to ... everything was like lego lol

no ... the roll-back fixed the rareity not switching

[glass elbow]

Yes, and then they rolled back the change and reverted to static rarity.

[fervent wind]

I've tried it ... it's not static anymore

[glass elbow]

This is the last dev message on it: #alpha-two-general message

#alpha-two-general message

So please by all means find a source for it actually being fixed permanently, that isn't anecdotal "feels like x."

[crude finch]

So how is the best way to get rare mats now?

[sweet elk]

theres no gear on the vendor

it now looks the same as it did before todays patch

[atomic hill]

Where do I unlock the ability to make the cool mounts that arent in the animal husbandry station by default?

[ebon carbon]

Question anyone know why it wont let me Craft Bronze mace or bandit commanders shields ? i learned the recipes... have Weapon smithing too Apprentice... I'm at Winstead (App Bench) but it doesn't show in menu, but showed i learned them

[fervent wind]

You go to the intrepid store and buy a skin. (Don't think they sell them anymore though)

[atomic hill]

I'm talking like the ram, is that a skin?

[fervent wind]

The Ram is a free starter mount in the Anvils

[atomic hill]

oh

So are the mounts shown in the animal husbandry station the only ones? The rest are all skins?

[atomic mural]

I believe you need to wait for a WS Station to open in the Riverlands, but others say its a bug that needs fixing.

[ebon carbon]

there is lol Winstead is APP WS bench lol

[atomic mural]

Standalone station - unless that happened overnight

To me this reads that the current stations are novice and an exception was put in to allow the making of tools.

[ebon carbon]

gotcha...

[fervent wind]

I think they just didn't update the description and language to match what is supposed to be the intended function (allow crafting to level in tandem to the demand of a fresh server)

[nova remnant]

how do you know if you can run a crate to a town? or make a crate in a town?

[primal torrent]

I believe it's not called bronze like the recipe say when you learn it? Is it in your spell book?

[left parrot]

It’s bugged

[lyric dock]

What does "wilderness" mean in a recipe? is that a place you have to craft it?

[fresh gyro]

Did u upgrade your cert to spprentice. like i know your level 10 but u have to upgrade your cert at the smithy outside of lionhold