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[main crescent]

That's exactly what I mean, all processing should result in a slot.

[rugged gorge]

You all just want things in single squares

Which ruins the purpose of the Tetris bags

[main crescent]

But it's a game, it's not fair that the lumberjack has to take up 3 slots instead of 1 compared to all the other gathering professions.

[rugged gorge]

You know who has it easier? Lumberjacks trees are literally everywhere

[main crescent]

Well, all the processed items maintain their size, it is not fair that only the lumberjack maintains its size, minerals from occupying 4 slots to 1, herbs from 2 slots to 1, fish from 2 slots to 1, skins from 4 or several spaces always result in 1 when processed, but wood from 3 gives 3 as a result

[rugged gorge]

You're incapable of critical thinking

Grem

1 box

Many boxes after processing

Logic me there

[orchid cradle]

@rugged gorge The problem here is that you cannot use real-life examples(after all, this is a game not reality; in reality, there are no wooden plants or minerals that can grow completely within half an hour). The key lies in..., it is a matter of fairness. All other items have their storage space reduced, but wood processing is the only exception.

[rugged gorge]

All I hear complaining about something that makes complete sense

[short jackal]

i found it funny that the word simple was filtered everytime i typed it

[orchid cradle]

What I can't understand is why wood should be treated as an exception, especially since the wood cannot stacked in wooden package after be processed.This made it very difficult for me to transport the large quantities of processed wood.

[rugged gorge]

Because wood is bigger by default

[orchid cradle]

After all, there is currently a 50% additional tax rate in the city.And it seems that I will have to bear this tax for another week.

[rugged gorge]

Don't like it don't cut and process wood

[orchid cradle]

The processed wood, when placed in the wood backpack, can only hold 20 pieces instead of 43.

Even if I agree with your point about the size issue, I still think the stacking problem is unreasonable.

[rugged gorge]

Yep, I support the idea that timber should function similar to wood in lumber jack bags

[lament shell]

So I just made a character yesterday and got to level 5. When I'm able to get on next I'd like to gather up some mats to craft some gear. Is this possible in the new starting area? I didn't see hardly any tin or copper or daffodil or snowdrop if at all

[orchid cradle]

Copper ore is a by-product of basalt, while zinc ore is a by-product of granite.

[severe hound]

this is a massive hint xD i had no idea how to get copper so i was just chilling with other stuff

[orchid cradle]

Tin requires an apprentice-sized pickaxe, but currently, for some reason, no one can make this pickaxe.

[lament shell]

That's new. Hmm, well I did see a couple of each but still not enough to gather enough for a couple of gear pieces

[severe hound]

i found a ton of snowdrops west of lionhold crafting area across the river but dafodills is still a rare occurence for me and its the ones i need the most 🙁

[orchid cradle]

The snowdrop is a white circular flower arrangement on the ground. I haven't seen the tulip either.

[lament shell]

Yea, that's a good spot. I'm pretty familiar with the riverlands areas, but I rolled a toon up north and I just haven't seen them 😅

[severe hound]

i was scared of rolling north cause it seemed very mountain and empty but havent looked up there yet so could be wrong

[orchid cradle]

DIn my opinion, they share the same refresh point. It's a matter of probability, but I'm not sure.

[severe hound]

any tips on good daffodil spots in riverlands though? i found like 3 or 4 during my whole playtime and snowdrops yesterday i found like 50

[lament shell]

I would usually go north of lionhold for daffodils. To the left of the road on the way to ursine cave

[severe hound]

i would go to an area and there would be like 6-7 snowdrops right next to each other but daffodils are always a single patch and nothing else for miles xD

[orchid cradle]

The monsters in the north are too numerous.

[severe hound]

still only lvl 5 so dont think im rdy for north yet but i will keep it in mind to try when i get a bit stronger

[lament shell]

When you cross the bridge next to the tower that's when the plant spawns are visible. At least, from previous play testing

[severe hound]

appreciate it 😛

[lament shell]

Just east of that goblin compound is a good spot too, which is West of lionhold. You might've been there already tho

[severe hound]

ive only been south and south west of lionhold

[novel delta]

So we will have same gathering for all resourses like for hunting? When you see like one unique in 3-6 months? Soemone tested it before rollback today?

and what was with that rarity failure that make them rollback servers?

[severe hound]

having rarity % depend on ur gear and lvl seems like a great way to do it instead of having it predetermined so i like this a lot

means u can gather everywhere

[novel delta]

yes but we had random rarity for hunting for year or so, and you dont really get what that means.
It means that you will get legendary once in 3 month in best case

[gusty oracle]

So is gear rarity working for mining and everything els now? It was just useful for hunting everything els rarity used to be pointless

[severe hound]

yeah random random isnt good but like higher % with better gear and levels in the skill means it might take a while to get legendaries but when u get high enough the % on it should be good

[neat furnace]

they had the other rarities tuned for there being basically no copper during phase 1

[cerulean spindle]

gathering felt better in P3 so far than it did last phase

[lament shell]

Woops! I meant the gobbos are east of lionhold on the way towards Miraleth

[cerulean spindle]

finding a legendary node and camping it for 14 hours wasn’t good gameplay

[rugged gorge]

Hate to tell you it was the same

[cerulean spindle]

but it wasn’t

[rugged gorge]

My storage full of legendary and epic says otherwise

[cerulean spindle]

mine is full too

this post alone shows it works differently than P2

[rugged gorge]

That's for the coming fix

Trust me it wasn't that way before yesterday

I knew the exact location of legendary larch

[gusty oracle]

Has it changed since the update or are you still getting roughly the same amount of rarity ? I hadn't been on since the update to test

[rugged gorge]

I wasn't awake for the last update that broke everything

Before that it was static and I knew what I was getting

[gusty oracle]

Anyone els able to confirm if rarity is the same as yesterday? Or are thing alot lower quality

[gusty oracle]

Assuming the rarity visual tells are still in the game i should be fine

[cerulean spindle]

the game been down since yesterday

[gusty oracle]

O

Well guess its good I'm working the next few days

[lament shell]

Are the novice tools still not worth making like they weren't back in p2?

[vernal locust]

Not really. You can make it to lvl 10 fast. If they’ve fixed the apprentice tool crafting you just hoard resources till then

[ashen lodge]

Do we have all adept stations on shol or we need t4 and more t3 nodes ?

[sweet elk]

remember though, the difference with hunting and the other gatherables is the number of nodes. Part of the issue with hunting is there so little nodes as well as how low percentage high rarity there is.

[shadow cairn]

Anyone on Shol seen a Verdant Oath Dagger recipe drop?

[frosty kindle]

they changed the gathering_rarity first time ever (as far as I have seen) and it broke the thing :) but I think the plan was good, either there is bug or the numbers are too high, I dont otherwise see any issues on it

[lament shell]

Oakenbane Keep, that was the name. Just west of that you'll see some tier 1 plants

[severe hound]

sounds good

[hybrid swan]

Really stuggling crafting in the new dwarven starting area in 3 days only seen 2 wolfs and 2 crows and gathering 3 days to gather 20 daffodils for quest. Should of gone back to old area Ruins of Aela or is it the same there?

[proper plinth]

WTB Mistwood 2H Longbow Recipe ( Lotharia )

[silver goblet]

Am I the only one who thinks the number of recipes is insane?

[rugged gorge]

it is a bit inflated

[silver goblet]

I have had to transfer two full inventories to alts... So frustrating

[teal cipher]

we need another recipe for a Recipe Organiser.

[rugged gorge]

without something like codex i dont see how anyone could keep track of it all tbh

[bleak raven]

it took me awhile to find better locations in the anvils but once you do daffodils are easy to find filled my inventory with daffodils and snowdrops in an hour

[modest token]

Level 29 in mining ...still using a crude pickaxe. No, don't upgrade until apprentice.

[tame scroll]

Anyone know the cheapest crafts to level weaponsmithing today? 🙂 I am considering trying to bring it up solo.. I know I know.. :p

[crude finch]

but can level 2 picks even be made yet?

[crude finch]

I would also love this info as im one of the weapon guys for my guild

[modest token]

No, can't make apprentice yet. Upgrading to Novice will only give you a speed and durability increase.

[crude finch]

this is my first time playing so im still trying to figure it all out. So im level 10 mining and upgraded my cert to the level 2 one then logged. can i mine the level 2 stuff?

[modest token]

You must also upgrade your pickaxe to apprentice in order to mine tier 2.

[crude finch]

ok and i cant do that till a node hits t2 right?

[modest token]

Right, however upgrading your certification will allow you to progress past level 10 so it is still worthwhile to do so.

[crude finch]

yeah so i can still level just not get the nice new stuff. does slate and basalt both give the same xp or is one better to farm?

[modest token]

Sorry, retraction ...the node has nothing to do with it. You need to wait until the appropriate buildings exist. Unless they have changed things.

[crude finch]

yeah yeah but that building cant be made till a node hits t2 if i remember right

so waiting for t2 then a little bit longer but not much since i assume they will pop up FAST Xd

[modest token]

Yes, until it reaches the town stage.

[crude finch]

so is leveling up minging jsut mine all you see or are there things that can be done to accelrate that process?

[modest token]

Pretty much. You can also use gathering scrolls.

[crude finch]

yeah been making good use of them

clothes that can be made

they effect xp at all? or just rarity?

[modest token]

Not sure on that. Check the recipes for them. I have not been using upgraded clothing or bags yet.

[crude finch]

wait bags can be upgraded?

[proven oxide]

I'd like to provide some feedback on the crafting system. The initial costs and time investment for low-level crafting feel disproportionately high. For example, I'm almost level 10 and have only been able to craft a single focus. Making the early-game crafting process more accessible would greatly improve the new player experience and encourage continued engagement with the system.

[modest token]

Yes.

[crude finch]

how does one do that?

is that avalible now? or at T2 stuff?

[crude finch]

espcially with drops of gear being basically 0 that is how im feeling too.

[modest token]

The recipes are on the vendor near the weaving station outside lionhold. If I remember correctly, a Novice mining satchel is 20x linen, 1x grem skin.

[crude thorn]

have you been to oaken? my guildes were basically throwing away adept sets of medium last night

[crude finch]

Whats that? XD

[opaque phoenix]

I think if I travel 45 mins from the Anvils I can make some cloth armor as there are not recipes that work in my home area other than Emberwake

[crude finch]

arent they the normal bags?

[crude thorn]

oakenbane keep. its in miraleth, opens once the node hits a certain level but im assuming its open now since on the u.s server miraleth is the vassal of winstead. and people have been saying the drops there are nutty.

[modest token]

The normal bags are white, you can upgrade them with higher quality mats.

[crude finch]

only thing im on the hunt for is Verdant Oath Emblems and cannot for the life of me find any

[crude finch]

Oh so its the same recipie i just have to use high quality materials to craft it?

[crude thorn]

yeah pretty sure everyone is. if thats the emblem i think it is.

[opaque phoenix]

Has anyone found Anvils recipes on a merchant?

[modest token]

Yes.

[crude finch]

I need it for a spell book and cannot find any

[crude finch]

What diffrence does it make?

[modest token]

Not sure. I am not using one.

[crude finch]

ill have a look into it. i have so many legendary and heroic mats might as well use some xD

[crude thorn]

O wait i just looked those up. I sold those to a vendor XD. i didnt know what they were for.

[crude finch]

BRO HOW DID YOU GET THEM

i literally cannot find one

they seem to be used for good spell books

[crude thorn]

I killed goblins, minotaurs, stuff like that. they drop from nearly everything.

[modest token]

Personally, I would hold onto x20 linen for something else but that is just me. Apprentice bags will be here shortly.

[crude finch]

they gonna cost alot to craft?

[crude thorn]

winstead has the apprentice tables. we just need them to actually fix the recipes to appear.

[opaque phoenix]

I've gotten the Anvils area version of those from random humanoids I think

[crude finch]

wait the T2 crafting benches are down?

[crude thorn]

it says it in winstead unless they are ui bugs.

everything there says apprentice

[left parrot]

This is a good spot to do that: https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1411099100723679382

[crude finch]

but its not T2? Could just be the blueprint being down

[crude thorn]

you dont need a stoneworks plot anymore to build a pickaxe

since its all in weapon smithing

and you need a weapon smithing plot to build journeyman tools

so i dont see us having to wait for that to be built to make apprentice tools

[crude finch]

So t2 tools can be built now?

[left parrot]

Lumber/mining/herb are glitched and unavailable

[crude thorn]

yeah so i was right

the main 3 everyone wants

[crude finch]

great xD

[left parrot]

Fishing requires tin which is basically impossible to get unless from a treasure map because no pickaxes

Hunting can be made by apprentice carpenters

[crude finch]

Could that be fixed when the servers come back up later today?

[left parrot]

Who knows

[crude finch]

have they aknowlaged the bug?

[crude thorn]

I got my legendary basalt mold, all i need is to smelt down my ore and buy some wood,

then i got my pickaxe lol

[crude finch]

is the crafting recipie online anywhere

so i can prep legendary mats for it readu

[crude thorn]

ashescodex.com

should be able to see anything you want on the codex

most stuff is updated

[crude finch]

is it novice the next one?

[crude thorn]

well you can make novice whenever

at the stations west and east of lionshold

or wherever you spawn

apprentice is after novice

[crude finch]

will i get acsess to the recipie automatically or have to buy it?

[crude thorn]

once you hit 10 on mining you go to the stoneworks npc east of lionshold and get your apprentice certificate which is free. that lets you level up past 10. and lets you build the next pickaxe

once they fix the bug showing us the recipe

[crude finch]

sweet, i did that just before i logged off so havent checked anything else beyond that

i do gotta level up weaponsmithing tho to 10 to craft it right?

[crude thorn]

from what people have tested no

[crude finch]

huh?

[crude thorn]

that in itself would be really dumb

[crude finch]

I thought it was a level 10 craft? for the next pickaxe?

[crude thorn]

its a level 10 mining craft

[crude finch]

ahhhhhhhhhhh

but any level weapon smithing?

[crude thorn]

thats how it was before.

[uneven gate]

Yes all the mining/lumber/herbalist tools are supposed to craft able at initiate(novice) tier weaponsmith but you still require the same tier of table to be used done (apprentice table for apprentice tools,etc.

[crude finch]

hell yeah ok thats good meaning i dont have to rush the weaponsmithing level to get my pick

[crude thorn]

I just gotta find "cheap" legendary oak, and a couple copper

[opaque phoenix]

I think I wasn't able to make the upgraded tools until the support structure for Apprentice was built in the previous phase, I wasn't in PTR so not sure if/how that was changed. I got herbalism to 10 and upped my certification but had to wait ages because the server I was on was full of edgelord trolls and they kept the nodes from developing so no one could craft and they would be 25 with max level drops - lol once they were banned/reset for exploits we were able to build the first structures to make Apprentice tools.

[crude finch]

how does the mixing of raritys work when it comes to crafting?

[uneven gate]

Mix rarity is add & average, the system seems to round down if you're borderline

[crude thorn]

pretty sure its based on whichever has the highest amount but im not sure i think its like if you have for example 10 legendary timber the molds legendary and you have 5 legendary copper for the pickaxe i think youd be good for getting legendary

[opaque phoenix]

https://ashescodex.com/artisan/crafting-calculator?itemId=Gear_Artisan_Mining_Tool_Pickaxe_T2_0

[crude finch]

So if i use all legendary materials it is GARUNTEED i get a legendary pick?

[crude thorn]

no im wrong

for legendary you need all legendary it seems

[crude finch]

but like its not a chnace thing? if i use all legendary mats i will get a legendary pick axe back?

[opaque phoenix]

It seems so based on the calculator, lol ONE epic piece brings you down to an epic tool

though the difference in that linked item's performance isn't extreme so an epic could be comparable

[crude finch]

hmmmm fair fair

iwill invest ehavy in my clothes and bag and pick

I hope to be one of the top crafts down the Mining Smelting adn weapon smithing skills

[uneven gate]

Bag prices will be astronomical just so you're aware. The vendor reagents plus processing cost at current Winstead tax is around 18 gold that before you add in price of materials etc, As well as processing time(which is about 12 hours of total processing time).

[crude finch]

What?!

Wait hold on break this down for me

[uneven gate]

give me a few mins

101 vendor mats.
101 x11.25 silver=11.36 gold
81 processes
81 x 8.06 silver= 6.53
total process &reagent cost = 17.89

[uneven gate]

as you requested in the above^

[rare cape]

Where do you get the recipe for adept/ lvl10 gathering tools?

[crude finch]

Wait I’m confused

[summer elk]

Don't you need apprentice weaponsmitting to make apprentice mining pick since it's under weaponsmitting station?

[crude finch]

Is all of these the cost for of a fuckin bag?

[rare cape]

Seems like the vendor cost of processing mats ramps up way too much too fast

[median nebula]

The sheer ridiculousness of the "economy rebalance" in numbers.

[crude finch]

So which of the two pictures is the cost of the bag in materials?

[median nebula]

Without processing... Repairing a novice fishing pole costs more than the mats you will gather from new to broke.

[rare cape]

Even if you vendor all white and green stuff you harvest you cant even afford to process the good stuff

[crude finch]

So how are we supposed to make money?

[rare cape]

I guess killing newbs and stealing their glint

[limber oyster]

get the PvEers to pay oh wait they have enough mob drops

[crude finch]

Cuz it sounds like there won’t even be enough money to buy the crap we make?

Let alone us pay to craft it in the first place?

[rare cape]

Yep

[summer elk]

People are already getting lv 20 items, let alone lv 10, who will buy anything. Cost to craft too high and gear drop too high, they need to reduce both

[crude finch]

Gear drop is high!?

[frosty kindle]

at least i havent gotten anything but garbage

[summer elk]

It was increased yes

[crude finch]

Are we playing the same game I haven’t gotten any gear drops at all

[frosty kindle]

yep

[median nebula]

1-11 only had a grey cloak drop so far.

[frosty kindle]

there is no drops, they increased the "drops" but its basically only components from the named

but its better in sephillion with ashen gear but idk, not there yet

[crude finch]

Crafting seems like the only way to get gear atm

[summer elk]

Since the increase I saw a flooded chat full of items people are selling

[rare cape]

The solo vs guild experience is vastly different on drops

[crude finch]

I just want Verdant oath emblems 🙁

For my better book

[fast swan]

Gear drops way to high. Best possible scenario..gear can not dropt by mobs. Would help the whole game loop. Crafting matters again people work together. Mmo feeling..mobs only drop glint and crafting mats..would be awesome. You dont need crafting yet when you can simply go steel Bloomberg for 5 hours and get 3 gear pieces.

[crude finch]

Again are we playing the same game? I’m getting 0 gear drops?

[fast swan]

You kill Star mobs?

[crude finch]

That being mobs far above your level?

[agile lintel]

There's plenty of people that Will but lvl 10 gear

[fast swan]

So get a group go sephi or steelbloom..and you will get gear.

[cerulean spindle]

I’m level 9 lumber milling and this is the only thing I’ve done for silver so I disagree

[crude finch]

What are sephi and steelbloom

[fast swan]

Poi's like big grinding places.

[crude finch]

River lands or the anvils?

[fast swan]

River

[summer elk]

People saying gear not dropping high, you need to try group content. It drops gear that takes hundreds of materials to craft. Try to craft the same thing and compare the time you need to do that vs the time to get the drop. Grinding is 100 times more efficient which is a sad

[crude finch]

i did two hours of minatour gridning with my guild the otehr day and like no gear dropped

[limber oyster]

it's also an information gap the game doesn't have very good information for guiding people to things, like humanoid mobs is generally where you'll ge gear drops

[crude finch]

a new player guide or more info on this stuff on the wiki would be huge

[vocal juniper]

kinda hard to make a new player experience guide when its still constantly evolving and changing

[crude finch]

nothing crazy just like "STAR enemies drop gear"

[summer elk]

this is the cost of a single common lv 10 item that drops in major poi-s in all biomes (some resources might be biome different, but same amount). So even if your guild got only 1 item, that's how many resources/gold that 1 items saves you. Even if you grind a couple of days for a drop, it's still much more effecient, because let's be honest, it would take a lot more time to get all of these resources/gold. Plus, dropped item is often uncommon or even rare from those mobs, so that makes it that much more harder to gather

[crude finch]

i refuse to belive that a single level 10 item has that much needed to make it......wtf.....

[vocal juniper]

it is much worse then you can even imagine

[summer elk]

yes, this is a real recipe, and it gets worse, because people are already getting drops for lv 20 items, that need waaay more than this and higher tier than this. so yeah, drops are broken as hell. While it might feel that they drop rarely, when you see how much it take to make the same thing by crafting it's sad

[crude finch]

what level is needed to grind these location for drops? cuz i want drops xD

[wide lynx]

How about gear drops from mobs but it's just not the best? Heck, even if it's only half as good as crafted there would still be a mini dopamine hit in just seeing something other than glint when you loot a body. I don't think we need to go one extreme or the other. Both sides can be happy

[gilded lynx]

Surely that is a i19 item right?

[summer elk]

this is a single forsaken blade item, common

[gilded lynx]

yeah so its practically a level 20 item

[summer elk]

why is it a level 20, POI is available at lower levels, some people go at 10 already

[gilded lynx]

this is also a level 10 weapon

would take you no more then an hour to craft

well gather the mats anyway

[rain grail]

Fact is, that there are locations with much higher gear drop chances. They are not publicly known, besides maybe steelbloom and seem to be kept between hc guilds.
Top lvl 20 drops every 30 minutes are not uncommon when you know where.

[summer elk]

not really an hour, this will take hours, and a good amount of cash, but thats not the point, the point is that people are getting drops worth 100+ gold and that's not good for economy

[fast swan]

Hopefully they will find a way. Now its just broken

[gilded lynx]

weapons aint worth anything mate, no one has 100 gold to buy it.
Is crafting lagging behind leveling and therefore gear drops? Yes but the value of these drops will be determined by crafting eventually

[gilded lynx]

if its taking you hours for 60 copper and 24 ash then thats a you issue mate not an econ one?

[crude finch]

care to share any of these locations? XD

[gilded lynx]

As far as I am aware they dont exist. 3 star elites have highier drop rates on higier quality gear. Go where the 3 stars are

[summer elk]

this will cost over a gold only in ingrediantes and processing, you need hours to make that currently

[gilded lynx]

A gold takes less then an hour if you just sell the glint, I got 300 zinc mining 1 spot in 4 hours. and Ash is everywhere in riverlands. So no.

[summer elk]

this is very false. Those weapons are worth a lot. Forsaken blades is basicaly bis lv 10 item, you can either get it for free as a drop or spend like 100 gold to craft, how is that worth nothing?

[summer elk]

if you are mining copper etc, you are not having any glint

[crude finch]

how tf are you making a gold an hour off glint?

[summer elk]

if you want both, it takes hours

[gilded lynx]

An item is only valued at what it sells for, no one dropping 100g for them so no. I would love to see the calculations you used to come up with 100g for a forsaken weapon, even a 2 handed one.////

[gilded lynx]

killing 3 stars, they shit out blue glint

[crude finch]

but how tf are you able to kill them when they are so high above your level

[gilded lynx]

8 person* team, 2 clercis, knowledge of mechanics. They were 5 levels above me when i started

[rain grail]

Steelbloom is known to all for sure by now. Had up to Heroic lvl 20 drops there every 30 minutes easily. Porbably much faster if you count white lvl 20 weapon drops in. Yes it depends on kill speed, however it just shows, that lvl 20 crafting will be only for top gear in high rarity. Everything else will be grinded.

[crude finch]

There are new players here me being one of them xD

Not all is well known

[gilded lynx]

thats the magic of learning a new game i guess, its diffcult at 1st and this is not a forgiving game, but once the penny drops

[summer elk]

It's hard to know a correct price because we don't have markets yet to see how much each copper, wood etc is worth. When you add all cost it would be 50-100 gold, probably somewhere in the middle. That's just the crafting cost, and you won't carft it to sell it for less than you spent. And you said correctly, no one will pay that much for it even though the cost is that high, and the reason is the drops. If there were no drops of such items, people would pay that amount, because they would have no choice, either craft it or buy it for that price, and both are high. If you can't sell an item like that to get more than what you spend to craft it, then it's a broken economy

and that price is only for a common one

they drop up to rare, even saw one guy selling heroic yesterday

[novel delta]

idk how they can screw every time they major update to crafting
and that screw is almost everytime in numbers

like wtf why do we ALWAYS FAVOR grinders not crafters, and doing patches for them - i mean last time they increased drop rate almost instantly this phase and there is no hint of decreasing even halfing (thats needed) crafting material cost and like reducing price of material from vendor like 5-10x times lol

And fun fact it was always stated that crafters are heart of obtaining items

[summer elk]

the golden rule for a good economy is that artisans need to be able to make profit, currently anything that you can get as a drop is not profitable to make, so only few professions are viable

[novel delta]

wow thats actually really good point

but again we have patch favoring grinders

that means we have been lied all the time about crafters that are heart of economy

[crude finch]

im only intrested in this game cuz i hear craftibg was king

[novel delta]

well thats a lie at least for now as you can see how we get patches

[pearl orbit]

Does anyone actually enjoy this crafting system? I usually love crafting in MMOs but my god this crafting feels terrible. Spend hours gathering resources due to travel time and storage limitations, have to spend a lot of silver on basic mats from vendors at every step in the process. Just for a single basic crap piece of gear, to add insult to injury a friend of mine got a better piece of gear from farming humanoids for an hour.

[vocal juniper]

You summed up the issues there, nobody really enjoys the system now, at least I hope there isn't someone who does

[limber oyster]

There are parts that are neat but the current iterations sucks. P2 was pretty solid though very barebones.

[lament shell]

Have we looted any recipes from the minotaur up in the new starting area's surroundings yet? Curious if they drop anything unique to them, or gear even

[novel delta]

cost of basic mats from vendors is worst in this iteration like for t2 its 10s and processing ahs same costs

[pearl orbit]

Okay glad it's not just me, I've been invested in this game for so long that I want to love it. But honestly can't say much of anything in this version is any fun. Small bits of grinding mobs with friends can be fun do to the combat feeling fairly good. But literally everything outside of that feels terrible. Travel times to due to mount speed, time and cost for artisan is straight up ridiculous and unfun. No explanations on basic systems. Feels like we are still in alpha 1 unfortunately

[summer elk]

I enjoy gathering, especially if they keep random rarity spawns. Processing seems bland, just a time and gold sink. Same as crafting. Some minigame involved there to increase rarity/stats and reduced cost would make it much better

[pearl orbit]

Don't get me wrong, the actually gathering itself feels ok. Like the animations are solid for and MMO and I like the rarities and various procs. But outside of that its just bad, which makes gathering a waste of time

[lament shell]

Mini games are fine the first 100 times, but after.. meh lol

[crude finch]

ive gotten a few good recipies from em

[summer elk]

if it's short like few seconds of craft and you have a chance to make a better quality item, I think it's fun

[lament shell]

I typically enjoy gathering in MMO's too, and spent a lot of time in P2 doing that. I wouldn't mind if that part stayed mostly the same, but I heard a rumor of them changing how to will find more rare mats in the future

[summer elk]

for processing they need to figure something else

[lament shell]

I can agree to that

[crude finch]

I would like to see a crafting skill tree

[lament shell]

Cool, thanks!

[ornate viper]

I see they have some patch notes up. Does anyone know where I can craft the Novice Fishing Pole?

[crude finch]

nothing major just little things to spend skill points on "5% faster gather spped" "1% chance increase for uncommon or higher" shit liek that

[summer elk]

gathering is already fun, but having a working pylons that cover big areas will make it better

[pearl orbit]

I think ultimately the problem is that everything is so half baked(Or less than half).

[lament shell]

That's right, that's what it was

[summer elk]

I think it should have small stuff and bigger stuff, and maybe you are locked in your skill path so you can't take all the good stuff

[pearl orbit]

Also what are your thoughts on the travel time? And have we heard anything about when better mounts are coming?

[crude finch]

disgusting

like actually stupid

[summer elk]

that's here to stay, it's their anti zerg mechanic

[pearl orbit]

Ok thank god, glad I'm not alone. Absolutely hate it.

[crude finch]

yeah thats fine and all but then dont put the default spawn crafting stations on two diffrent sides of the starting zone

like why tf have i gotta trvavel from one side of lionshold to the other for my stations its stupid

[lament shell]

Gonna take a while to get that 170% speed mount again..

[crude finch]

They should all be near eachother

[pearl orbit]

Like 20 minutes of travel to cross a starting zone feels horrible

[summer elk]

Once nodes are up, stations are in them, but yeah, start is rough

at least it's 0% tax

[crude finch]

all the crafting stations should be in lionhold

[pearl orbit]

I haven't seen 95% of the map currently in the game. Especially because roads aren't safe. Feels stupid that mobs lvl 20 spawn on a road

[crude finch]

no mobs EVER EVER should spawn on roads

ever

[pearl orbit]

Agreed! I literally tried travelling from lionhold to anvils and after over an hour of running I got one shot by a mob ON THE DAMN ROAD! Logged off that night.

[crude finch]

no mobs on roads and there should be an auto follow button for the roads so when you auto walk you can auto follow the road

[pearl orbit]

Also while I'm bitching they need to fix bird spawns. Like my god can't go more than 2 minutes without being attacked by a damn bird

[lament shell]

Did you ever play Vanguard Saga of Heroes? LOL,

[crude finch]

no

[royal mirage]

so, are the 'pre-determined rarity gatherable spawns' still in the game? or did it get removed? they rolled back the servers, but did they also roll back this patch?

[pearl orbit]

I believe they kept the patch

[lament shell]

Same issue in that game back in the day. They had starred mobs too up to 5. damn lvl 16 4 star roaming across the damn starting zone roads

[pearl orbit]

Yeah starting to question their game design. While the idea of mobs leveling with nodes is cool in theory leaving a nodes gates and running into mobs 10 levels higher than you is bad gameplay

[faint dome]

What's up with daffodils everywhere?

[pearl orbit]

Lmao

[crude shoal]

do we now need apprentice weaponsmithing to make an apprentice gathering tool?

[slow bone]

Apparently... And Carpentry for Hunting/Fishing tools

Huge roadblock that messes stuff up imo

[slow bone]

Nodes should have a Mob level Cap outside of POIs to solve for that So nodes next to a spawn area dont have lvl 10+ mobs on the roads

[dire relic]

epic daffodile pc anyone?=)

[pearl orbit]

Yup, because artisan didn't suck enough already

[slow bone]

The fact you have to Apprentice 2 professions to craft the tools limits peoples ability to select professions they want

[mellow gulch]

Hello, is there any Scribe master? Did you found some good way how to level up this profession efficiently. The prices are really high and I am wondering how many rubies I would need to get lvl 10.

[slow bone]

Like if i want to make 2 characters 1 a gatherer and 1 a crafter, I have to levvel gathering on my crafter to make fucking tools for my gatherer

[slow bone]

Journyman is the highest allowed in testing atm..

[pearl orbit]

Yes it absolutely does, I'm not sure what the devs are trying to do but it seems like they have their head up their ass when it comes to artisan.

[mellow gulch]

I was meaning someone who knows.

[pearl orbit]

Rough guess? A metric shitton

[slow bone]

Well the fact they have an open position for an economist on their website, means they have no fucking clue how to ballance a player based econ. Shits too expensive, the Static Spawns need to go, i have no idea why they rolled them back, and Professions should be able to craft their own tools. Tools should all be Novice Level to craft, and just need the appropriate Profession level to unlock the recipe

[pearl orbit]

Agreed, honestly that's common sense. Like locking tools because two other professions is idiotic

[slow bone]

Yup my buddy has hunting apprentice and is baffeled he needs to apprentice Carpantry just to get a better tool so he can cull the fucking Deer and bork population

[pearl orbit]

Honestly don't get it. So much of this game design is just bad. Like any joe blow mmo player off the street could tell you what they've done is dumb af

[slow bone]

Bro I could balance this game better, and they wont get a Economist anytime soon, caus i looked at the Requirements listed... they are looking for somone whos already in the Games industry, instead of hiring a Economist who wants to get out of Financials and teach them how to used Unreal and shit

Like they want an Econ guy who already has UE5 scripting knowledge

its baffeling

[pearl orbit]

Honestly screw teaching them how to use unreal, just hire him to tell others what to build at this point. Never thought New world would put Ashes to shame with their artisan. But this game has me longing for the new world crafting days

[slow bone]

Any Economist in the industry is already job secure getting payed big dollars to keep other MMOs econs ballanced

[pearl orbit]

The fact a basic mat used to process one piece of wood is 45c is mind blowing. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to be fired

[slow bone]

Bro its 13 silver to Process 20 logs

[pearl orbit]

I know right! Fing ridiculous

[slow bone]

7 in Sanding Powder, and 6 in processing fees

[pearl orbit]

Takes me 2 hours just to farm 13 silver. Dumb af.

[slow bone]

Shits way to expensive for a fledgling economy

[pearl orbit]

Yeah they need to reduce processing fees by 95% and make basic regents cost 3c each

Boom, 50% of what makes their artisan shit, fixed. Your welcome Intrepid, I'll take my advisor fee now lmao

Yes you need apprentice bench, also have to be apprentice level in weaponcrafting

Maybe, not sure

[atomic mural]

It kind of makes sense that you need to be an apprentice to make apprentice tools but the costs are high and to break even you would have to charge a small fortune in gold for those outside the guild? Or they bring the mats and you charge a fee? I don't recall this being the case in A1 but that was a long time ago and I may have misremembered things

[pearl orbit]

The mats aren't event he issue, it's the Basic regents and processing fees that make it unaffordable to do anything

Makes no sense that making 20 logs cost 13 silver

[gloomy drum]

anyone know where the hell i can get a baby cow?

[bleak raven]

100% this if they want the reagents cost to stay the same or higher cut the materials needed by 50% and reagents by 10-20% two ways of achieving the same thing

[twilit sparrow]

So before I could craft apprentice tools in the novice tables, now I can't anymore? Does that mean that those who crafted their apprentice tools before the update are fine?

[gloomy drum]

1 tin for a fishing pole? ;-;

[pallid dragon]

Are Dafodils like insanely rare or something? I have been running around all over the Riverlands and Joeva for what seems like hours and have not found a single patch yet. I see snowdrop everywhere though.

[pearl orbit]

They are definitely more rare than snowdrop

[pallid dragon]

seems a little nutty they would make something that rare be required for the basic set of starter crafted gear.

[pearl orbit]

I mean I wouldn't say they are super rare, I see a decent amount. Just no where near as common as snowdrop

[neon magnet]

is aprentice fishing rod needing tin as intended or a bug?

[pearl orbit]

No idea

[neon magnet]

rest of the tools all requires copper fishing only 1 needing tin

[proper kiln]

I'm a lvl 10 Weaponsmith and I've learned alot of recipes for lvl 10 crafting but in the weaponbench none of the new recipes are available. Can anyone tell me if this is a me thing or is everyone experiencing this issue

[neon magnet]

it should appear once they make apprentice benches

[proper kiln]

we have one in winstead and I'm able to make apprentice tools but nothing else

[quiet charm]

Can someone verify if they are seeing node XP gains from processing at the Riverlands artisan stations? Im at the metalworking station west of Lionhold and processing doesnt seem to give Joeva XP on Lotharia

[atomic mural]

Is the WS Station at Apprentice level or at Novice level? I think you can make the tools at Novice level station as Apprentice WS but you need to level up the building.

[atomic mural]

Its just when I look at the map I only see Novice Stations - I don't see an actual WS Building

[shadow cairn]

Are there GM's in here?

[errant sable]

For processing experience scrolls. I just tested it and it's when you start to process it.

[neon magnet]

yup

[rugged gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[errant sable]

everytime I asked people were telling me it's when you claim it though. Where were you yesterday 😭

[rugged gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-sobbing-cry-gif-14741799

im sorry

i try to avoid this place

lots of tears in here

[drifting gust]

how does anyone level up carpentry? 100 exp per craft is suffering

[left parrot]

Make bows, use scrolls

[drifting gust]

ty

[heady talon]

ty

[pure blaze]

Hello Artisan Chat, is there a difference between flax from flax seeds and herbalised flax?

[sweet elk]

i think a lot of people have said its bugged and farming flax cant be used for tailoring

[novel delta]

crafting is so ruined by drops in pois my my lvl 18 friend went tanking steelbloom for night and got almost full rosarium (lvl 20 ) set in 1 night, not beign lvl 20.
WHILE WE ARE STRUGGLING TO LEVEL APRENTICE PROFFESIONS, PEOPEL ARE ALREADY IN LVL 20 GEAR. HOW IS THAT FAIR? AND HOW ITS IN IN LINE WITH WHAT STEVEN SAID ABOUT CRAFTING IS CORE OF GAME?

i mean this version of craft is HARD but doable, i get it.
BUT WHY PATH OF STEELBLOOM GRINDING IS SO EASY COMPARED TO CRAFT?
people are loosing faith in crafting because noone needs it AGAIN

just make it even with craft VS grind
hard craft + hard grind = ok
easy craft + easy grind = ok

[copper lynx]

I'm hoping the flax fix goes in tomorrow, linen thread a little too expensive for my fishing rod upgrade rn

[drifting gust]

I hit level 2 carpentry today, the wood to do that got me to 10 lumberjackign and of course there isn't a single apprentice certifier or tool station in the zone

[atomic mural]

A couple more days (hopefully not a week) and Kal T can start the work towards enabling that. Unless it needs mats from down south and then it's gg

[fossil bloom]

Are tanned hides really supposed to take the regular hide and a whole other carcass to process? A howling wolf helm takes 60 wolf tanned hides, so this means we need 60 wolf carcasses in addition to 60 wolf hides to make 60 tanned hides?

[feral urchin]

this may be an old question that has been asked; however, tendonite out of basalt/granite chances... is it only best to process 1 granite/basalt at a time or is it better to do stacks and if stacks what size? i feel like i only have success when processing 1 basalt or granite to make sand in the hopes of resulting in tendonite

[slate tulip]

is there any online resource that explains the construction crate system for settlements?

[summer elk]

Were you able to level it up solo?

[proper kiln]

not with how much gold it costs, not as fast anyway

[pallid mountain]

Quick Toolmaker question. Where is the Toolmaker for Picks and Axes in Winstead? I found the ones for hunting and Fishing at the Carpentry station, but can't find the picks/axes one. Coulda sworn on the PTR it was near the Metalworking station, but couldn't seem to find it earlier.

[vocal juniper]

weaponsmithing, above the stone masonry station, on the second floor of the building

[pallid mountain]

AAAAAAHHHHH... that would explain why I couldnt see it doin blockies on the dirt lol. Thank you! ❤️

[vocal juniper]

It took me a bit to find it too!

[harsh kiln]

to make ingots, do you need an adept level metalworking station?

[opaque phoenix]

Is there a station you have to make construction crates at?

Huh searching I just see people complaining about them

[white thicket]

supposedly I am asking this too

but I think you make them at the solo lumbermill near lionhold

the woodshop I mean

[opaque phoenix]

It took a lot of googling but I found https://imgur.com/a/federation-crates-guide-v1-6-WKGsLAF

the image preview isn't the relevant one at the link

[white thicket]

care to send me link?

[opaque phoenix]

it's in the message one line up

[white thicket]

huh?

yes but I need the link

for the website

[opaque phoenix]

the blue text opens a page with the information, not sure why they posted to imgur

[white thicket]

Oh okay

[opaque phoenix]

Cannot find anything that looks like "Crate packing station" in Bonfire area

Eh, bunch of people in game clearly know but won't say because then they can't turn those crates in for reward

[jagged bear]

No its just because we're in slow hours. But i'll answer before i sleepy- the station everyone can access at all times is at the woodshop east of samia's hope, located south of the cookhouse station next to the small lake. The station itself is probably going to be surrounded by people.

[opaque phoenix]

There are several people at a time carrying crates from the Anvils to another Anvils location and fulfilling the crate orders, I'll look tomorrow maybe it's on the Hammerrest side

[jagged bear]

Oh, my b, i have no idea where it is in the anvils. I've only explored riverlands.

[opaque phoenix]

One whispered me when I asked what he could do with the ones he couldn't use but wouldn't say where he got it from 🙂

[muted flower]

There is a crate packing station south of bonfire at the trade post next to the master farmer

[atomic mural]

Did the one in Hammers disappear? I ran a few packs out to Khal. Was going to do some more and it vanished.

[fast swan]

Why crafting the next garher Tools. Only for gather speed?

[floral wraith]

There’s a plan for an update for better tools to = better rarity chance and xp

[atomic mural]

More XP as well

Rarity looks like a long term project based on the past couple of days 🤔

[crude finch]

fucking hope so

why tf can i only have one item per bench crafting

this is just ridicoulous

its so exepsnive and so slow to craft as well as impossible now to get materials that are any good

[manic prairie]

So, we started crafting our gear because... well... there is no other choice, really...
What I would like to know why this is a thing. #alpha-two-general message

My friend Danquo crafted Heroic Novice Heavy pants... and they have worse defense than common Light Adventurer's pants you start with.
What the fuck.

What's the point of crafting if the gear you spawn with is better?

[thorn sundial]

anyone currently past 10 weaponsmithing?

[hexed canopy]

it seems like the starter pants are as strong as a Grade 1 Tier 2, and the ones your friend crafted are Grade 1 Tier 1
it makes 0 sense why the starter pants are Tier 2

although other than phys def the one you crafted is better

[manic prairie]

I also noticed that a white mag spear is better than a combo of epic wand and epic focus when it comes to power... green longbow is better than these two in speed (what the fuck?)

The whole stats are all over the place and make zero sense whatsoever

[atomic mural]

Some in NA in Wins - saw a regular flow of tools earlier today

[crude finch]

What is rare flax worth?

[arctic mesa]

What is needed for tools? Only weaponsmithing apprentice skill or gathering also?

[crude finch]

you dont need weaponsmithing only the skill of the tool yuou wanna craft

[arctic mesa]

Oh, nice!

[hard swift]

where do i do lumbermilling in the anvil?

[hexed canopy]

Bonfire Station or whatever it's called, it's on the west side of the mountain

don't confuse it with Bonfire itself

[hard swift]

ok ty

[fast swan]

can i mine anything new with novice pickaxe?

[copper pagoda]

have they made farmed flax work with weaving yet?

no, just has more durability so you can mine longer

need apprentice pickaxe to mine apprentice stuff, and the certification

[heady sphinx]

want to make Sanctus long spellbow (Verdant oath Thornbow)... I have learnt the recipe but can't find it in the carpentry station to make...
Anyone else with this prob?

[copper pagoda]

thornbow is probably an anvil's recipe

[heady sphinx]

hmm why it drops in Lionhold then?

[copper pagoda]

and or are you at the right level of bench? need apprentice bench for adept, and journeyman bench for radiant (JM not in game yet, needs upgrade in town)

[heady sphinx]

it is a lvl 0 recipe

[copper pagoda]

the lumberjack area only has novice bench (initiate)

screenshot it from your window

post here

[heady sphinx]

This is a double of it

and here my list

[crimson umbra]

Yea they need to fix that, flax is so fkking rare

[copper pagoda]

have you checked the winstead / joeva benches to see if it works there as opposed to the lumbermill of briarmoor? it could be a bugged bench

it's definitely a bug one way or the other

[pallid mountain]

Yeah I tried at the Bench West of Lionhold and it's scuffed too. I'd say all over. The icons don't match, so they defs stuffed it up somewhere.

[crude finch]

if anyone gets or has legendary copper im begging you save it i will buy it off you

or trdae it for other legendaryies i have

[tulip zealot]

To my fellow crafters(arcane specifically) how are you making ends meet whilst trying to level your craft? I used to sell books to players but now it seems the server has moved past what i have to offer. I have made so many books and have only made it to like level five. Im worried that by the time i can craft level ten books they will be obsolete as well.

[raw rivet]

has there been any info about the unlearnable receipes? are they just vendor trash now or a bug

[hybrid swan]

You cant really makes ends meet as market isnt there for people to buy lvling items and cost of crafting has gone up ten fold, my advice which I havent done is join guild and share making items for people. I am struggle getting back to playing as the crafting it too much of up hill battle given up leather crafting as nothing to skin in dwarven area, now going carpentry/herbalism. My issue with AoC is profession planning is strangling crafter too much 2 grandmaster 3 masters etc. To make a journeyman bow you need journey man in herbalism/lumberjack/carpentry/weaving, this max out all profession. Higher level crafting can not done without buying items or guilders selling you stuff. I dread to think how master/grandmaster recipe I think you have to buy 80% items I think dungeon item would be easier to get ok cant enchant them etc.

[sweet elk]

After the patch hit and the na guys all got your apprentice tools, did it turn out you did or didn’t need 10 weaponsmithing to make them?

[dusk mason]

Someone help me out please. I want to do tailoring, but have spent many hours trying to find flax with very little result. It takes a ton of linen to do almost anything. I tried growing flax, but the kind i grew apparently wont work to make linen. What am i missing?

[crimson umbra]

Nothing, they changed it so you can't grow flax (no idea why), the one you grow is not usable for anything. You can only get it from gathering but it's fkking hard to find

[dusk mason]

Seems broken as is compared to leveling other professions

[crimson umbra]

Yea because of the flax issue it's hard, you need a lot to lvl it and it's just not really found in game frequently

[hybrid swan]

Just checked the flax in farming isnt the same flax, I have only found 2 flax in the wild.

[dusk mason]

I crafted 50 of the flax at the farming station before i learned it wasn't usable to make linen

[crimson umbra]

Yup

[hybrid swan]

ouch reading this saved me loads, thanks

[crimson umbra]

In p2 you could farm it, dunno why they changed it

Im assuming it's a bug but if not then I really don't know wtf they're doing

[hybrid swan]

loads of iron copper and wood about the other crafting have to struggle again.

[crimson umbra]

Made a report about it but will take ages till they see it

[hybrid swan]

I love how bad crafter are looking at recipe for lvl 20 bow needs 178 boards and 13 yards of cloth and 60 fish oil maybe for an army of 60 bows, nope one bow!

Nooo found flax but cant gather it, too deep in the ground

[crimson umbra]

Damn

[calm plank]

So new to the alpha and trying to figure out finding things to harvest. Any advise or suggestions here? Trying to find dafodils but that's been tricky

[prime laurel]

have you tried using https://ashescodex.com/map

[calm plank]

Didn't even know that existed. Thank you

[raw rivet]

the hell

thats wild

[calm plank]

Wow... Dafodils are hard to find 😕

[prime laurel]

Try looking in places off the beaten path everyone who sees them right now are collecting them.

[sturdy onyx]

Can a novice carpenter create an apprentice taming bow?

[dusk mason]

yeah, really frustrating - burned almost all my coin on the processing

[summer elk]

there are ton of them in the anvils

and also tons of ravens and hawks 😄

[calm plank]

Just want to figure out making myself new gear primarily

[fluid saffron]

Are there any mats specific to the Anvils that are needed elsewhere? The only thing I can think of is tendonite or whatever it's called, but is that it?

[latent lily]

If I turn in stuff for a commission, it will always pull the lowest rarity version of that mat from my bags, right? I don't have to deposit my higher rarity stuff in storage first to keep it safe, I'd assume. Curious if anyone knows.

[vocal juniper]

I don't think it always pulls the lowest rarity... If it is a resource I care about.. I bank the good ones

I have definitely had it use more rare resources for turn in, when there are still common

[past vessel]

anyone know where I can craft Flayer's fleshripper? I got to apprentice weaponsmithing and used the recipe, but cant find where to craft it.

[atomic mural]

I believe you'll need to wait for a proper (stand alone) WS Station to be built.

[past vessel]

so apprentice weaponsmithing station doesnt cut it to make apprentice weaponsmithing reciped weapons?

[atomic mural]

I think they are actually novice stations with only apprentice tools available to be made. There are stand alone stations that need to be built from what I remember

[past vessel]

im looking at the weaponsmithing station and it says Apprentice

[fervent hound]

crafters wanting to make gold while making levelling gear is wild

the stench of greed is pungent

[past vessel]

crafters wanting to make grinding their profession worthwhile is wild

[atomic mural]

Yeah someone posted a pic of it yesterday. Id ask in game crafters that are selling apprentice tools. They may have more info.

[dense sable]

what should i do for craft anyone know?

[crude shoal]

you need apprentice weaponsmithing to make tools. dumbest idea they have implemented recently but it be like that sometimes

[dense sable]

thank you

[slim kraken]

does volcanic rock not operate on the same rarities as granite and basalt? I've hit thousands at this point and seen nothing above blue, and that very sparse

[lament orchid]

I’ve definitely gotten heroic volcanic rock this phase.

[dense sable]

is legendary gathering tools has more chance to get higher rarity or its just giving some speed and exp?

[sweet elk]

the rarity stat increases your chance of getting higher rarity

[low mountain]

does ink quality affect guild in anyway?

[somber crown]

I’ve gotten epic

[wheat void]

these were the nodes

haul

[woven stone]

@timber remnant Hey homie, will you be free in like 15 mins to craft 4 tools super fast?

(this is Pax from earlier)

[slow bone]

Also Apprentice Carpentry for Fishing and Hunting Tools

Really fucks with progression... What was it, they rebalanced things after Phase to to make "Progression feel Smoother", I've never seen so many roadblocks to progression before, and its definitely not smooth. It should Ramp quickly from Novice to Apprentice, but then slow the fuck down and take way longer to progress after that... not completely stop for multiple days because shits not upgraded yet. All while people who dont give a fuck about crafting are max level and in better gear then anyone can even hope to craft

[limber oyster]

it's a climbing wall

[slow bone]

Its a cliff that crafters have to route and climb themselves, while non-crafters get stairs up the side

In every sandbox game i've played prior to this with the exception of Albion, Crafting can be no-lifed and progressed fast enough to keep up with the non-crafters.

All they had to do was Apprentice tools available before the benches, so people could stock up on the fucking resources for when the node hit tier 3

and not have it be so expensive to craft novice shit.... It costs 13 silver to process 20 logs.. which unless you have people funneling you resources and money is too costly. Its like this game is balanced around groups of 8-16 people no-lifing and funneling resources to a couple crafters, instead around the majority of testers who have lives

[novel delta]

no its not true
why gatherers should be selfsustainable while crafters solely rely on them, should be two-way. Now its defently better, since gatherers depend on crafters too. And mind you its just two times - when u hit lvl 10 and lvl 20 while crafters rely on gatherers all the time

[slow bone]

Right now Gatherers need to be Crafters or vise versa to get Apprentice in either Weaponsmithing or Carpentry to make the fucking tools... this removes the ability to be a Pure Gatherer, and hamstrings Pure Crafters into needing to level gathering if they want to make tools for gatherers

[limber oyster]

problem is we don't have a contract system in place
suggestion in the feedback https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1411167705943380069

[slow bone]

That wont help if they dont make it so crafters can make gathering tools without the needed gathering levels, or Gatherers can make the tools without needing the crafting levels

[novel delta]

thats community driven game.
idk what u are talking, but as gatherer u need to interact with crafter EXACTLY 2 TIMES in all ur gathering career.
meanwhile crafters are dead without gathering

nothing with fuking progression imo

[slow bone]

have you not fucking gotten apprentice gathering? I have apprentice Carpentry and cannot make the Apprentice Hunting Bow or Fishing Rods without having Apprentice in those two professions as well, meaning I have to gather as a Crafter to level those professions just to craft the tools for other gatherers. I know this because my buddy is Apprentice Hunting, and he cannot make the Apprentice Hunting Bow because he needs apprentice Carpentry to make it...

This is what im talking about. Not the fact that we rely on each other for things, as his hunting provides me skins for my leatherworking as well, but that We literally cannot make him the tools to hunt Apprentice level animals without one of us leveling both Hunting and Carpentry to Apprentice

That means we both cannot be Pure Gatherers and Pure Crafters and rely on each other completely, we have to do both Crafting and Gathering to even progress

The problems is the dual requirements for Tools,

[low mountain]

@everyone when crafting guild scroll does rarity of red ink matter?

[clever valley]

is there a reason people dont make verdant oath gear? too expensive or just not sold?

[novel delta]

i have appr carpentry and have zeor in hunting, have done like 10 hunting bows already

there is no dual requirement

[slow bone]

Not going to argue with you anymore, either you are lying, there's a bug, or something else as I cannot craft the bow it shows a Red X next to Apprentice Hunting in the Recipe and it will not let me craft it.

Im not talking about Apprentice level Combat bows... im talking about the Bows under Tools

[limber oyster]

too expensive when any apprentice weapon overtakes it

[slow bone]

yeah theres a bunch of useless novice level recipies

[orchid trout]

to make a tin fragment takes 7.5mins. Then it takes 15mins ot turn that fragmet+ores into a tin ingot. Each ingot is 22.5mins and costs 44 silver

so if you want to make 10 tin ingots for a tool or weapon, 4.4 gold and nearly 4hrs craft time

What the fuck

Please reduce crafting fees haha @dense sable

[limber oyster]

was wondering if they kept that in from PTR but not surprised they did

[novel delta]

X here doesnt mean anything - its just means that u cant wear it after craft

[arctic yarrow]

I've got so much sand from trying to get tendonite out of basalt/granite. What do you do with all of this? Are people selling it? Is there something down the line you use it for?

[woven stone]

thats a lie the rich tell you to keep you down. Each map is a MINIMUM of 60s, but can be a 1g+ if youre lucky.....and thats common.

[glass gulch]

anyone know where i can get apprentice cert for lumberjacking and fishing in anvils?

[astral sky]

I have checked both bonfire and hammer rests trading posts, it doesn't seem like they have anyone that can up your cert. It also seems like the only place to do it in the south is at the beginning areas in the riverlands.

I haven't found a foreman equivalent in Winstead, so it seems if we get the benches in the Anvils we'd have to come to the riverlands to rank up every time

[fast swan]

Hi can you tell me im novice miner so lvl 10. Have that pickaxe. Can i mine some new stuff? Or do i need apprentice mineaxe?

[astral sky]

You need both the apprentice cert and apprentice tool to harvest apprentice mats

[fast swan]

Ah cool thanks! Is there something a node or picture o so where i can see what i can mine or what i can gather with an upgrade?

[bleak raven]

well looks like i know what im doing tomorrow

[astral sky]

Well war was declared, so get the tools fast lol

[glacial cobalt]

can anyone point me in the direction of the mining cert in the north?

lol nvm looks like im sol on that. ill start heading back

[orchid trout]

Can you please add the ability to mass craft weapons and Armor in bulk, doing them 1 by 1 is so aids @dense sable @marsh vigil

And how come the marketplace doesn’t just search for items priced highest to lowest, seems like the “vendor stalls” are a waste of time.

Some people charge 10x higher for an item then someone else because they didn’t click through the 14 other vendors

You should be able to search “ Western Larch” and “Common” then just sort highest to lowest price,the current system seems so silly respectfully

[raw linden]

Yeah I get the frustration and I like the idea to a point, my only worry is it’d make it way too easy for people to just undercut. Big orgs with tons of resources could flood the market and push out smaller sellers. With the current setup, it’s harder but at least people who actually put in the work to research can still make decent profit instead of it just being about volume.

[orchid trout]

That’s not true at all lol

No one is paying 1 silver per copper when you can buy it for 30c

[raw linden]

I honestly also find the searching through the markets for a good deal but you have to do a fun play loop and is how I spend a lot of my time in game while crafting since I don’t do much in the way of combat

[twilit sparrow]

Can someone tell me what’s the point of leveling Hunting ? Since the fastest mount is the scorpion broodling, and every novice can get it 😂

[lethal acorn]

is there anywhere in particular for Verdant Oath Emblems? or do they just drop off almost any humanoid etc

[raw linden]

Cause tidesnappers are the best mount and you need apprentice to get that special little turtle boy

[twilit sparrow]

Yes, that's what I thought, except for the water mounts 😄

[raw linden]

Gotta strut in style with that slo mo walk speed on land lol

[drowsy comet]

question: how a player craft Apprentice Mining Pickaxe? i have Apprentice Lumberjack, i try to craft a Lumberjack Axe but i can't. can someone explain to me ?

[unique charm]

Where can I farm Ravens for hunting? Been looking for ages and can't really find a good place?

[wooden canyon]

you need to find a weaponsmith

apprentice

[crude finch]

I fucking love getting killed by lag and losing my epic rarity stuff i needed fr a craft and spent hours gettign fucking amazing

[umbral crown]

Me too xd

[crude finch]

crafting is ass enough as it is rn without this shit

[crude finch]

Im gonna write up a full fucking google doc on why this crafting system as it is rn is not the way

[fluid saffron]

On Shol, can anyone tell me what the MP is for Rare Flax in the riverlands? I'm in the anvils

[primal torrent]

Well one thing is for sure the amount of materials needed means a legendary will be legendary, for some at least. This is going to be the most grindy Western MMO ever made. You need like 305 ash not to mention the other materials, for forsaken bows. I do think this is the way though it is reminiscent of older games crafting systems like SWG.

Mindsets need to change rare gear will be your focus just to survive

[sweet elk]

i havnt checked everything but it also seems like the power of legendary 10 gear is higher than the standard dropped 20 gear, so they might actually have got the gear scaling a bit closer to the right palce.

Though no comment on what its gonna do to TTK

[limber oyster]

can I get an example because if it's high tier or even medium tier apprentice crafts making a leggo is not easy and certainly not time equivalent to a drop.

[woven stone]

Homie... Cooking
The greatest skill in the game! Hunting is big cheese for that

Also, you know, leatherwork

[sweet elk]

oh its definitely not time equivalent. But it was never going to be?

[limber oyster]

again whats the two you are comparing?

[sweet elk]

im comparing whole sets of gear so i cant really give you a direct comparision of 1 item to 1 item

[limber oyster]

thats ok what are the sets names?

[spice scarab]

Ok so anyone could give a brief step by step on how to begin a profession? I mined and mined for hours but I need eroded granite to begin with and I cant find them anywhere. I only have like 10 different ore apart from that first one that is the only one showing at Lionhold station. I know its a noob question but please anyone can explain professions? 🙂

[tough mulch]

any suggested locations for farming flax? Where is a good spawn place? just need 20 common ones

[sweet elk]

the benches and materials in lionhold are only for the sweat of your brow quest. once you complete that move out of lionhold

[spice scarab]

and go to major cities for improved stations?

[sweet elk]

theres novice stations out of nodes as well, avons end for example

[spice scarab]

Thank you!

[sweet elk]

village nodes for apprentice

[timber remnant]

Hey Pax

Im on

[severe axle]

very basic question from a noob, it says i can get these from weapon smithing vendors, where can i find these?

i tried to go to an independent smithy but they just sell rations and maybe bags

[limber oyster]

theres a second tab when buying from the venders at the stations

[severe axle]

ah, thanks

how does material rarity work, is it just that the item gets better the better the materials you use are?

or are rarer mats just for other recipes? like, if i have a recipe asking for common ash timber, can i use rare ash timber to make it better or does it have to be common?

[limber oyster]

You can add rarer mats to any recipe but it’s the average of all the mats rarity that it comes out too. So like something that uses 5 rare and 5 common would come out uncommon.

[severe axle]

thanks

[sweet elk]

The minimap and node interface saying that market commodity vendor is availible at lvl 2 nodes is a visual bug right?

[woven stone]

I was able to find a crafter for my remaining tools, but I'll keep you on my list of contacts for future weapon builds. Thanks 🙏

[placid zenith]

Honestly they should just do away with these only tutorial tier bench and materials. It‘s so nonsensical that it is way more confusing for newer players than it is being a tutorial. Where is the hurt in it just being normal novice materials to begin with.

[nova remnant]

another day of high rarity materials being added to the market from static nodes

[stiff kite]

Hopefully the manage to patch correctly for the static shit!

[sweet elk]

well the anvils isnt like that and thats their attempt at a new FTUE

[nova remnant]

idk its been going on for a week now, how many stacks do people already have

[severe axle]

i mean, where is the hurt in having stations depending on each other not 10 minutes apart? i guess it's all so upgrading nodes isnt just valuable at the higher end

[unique charm]

Anyone with solid tips where to find Ravens for hunting?

[hollow spade]

couple artisan questions, just hit journeyman lumberjacking i member in phase 2 there was lumber jack clothing to incase either rarity or speed and bags to incase carrying capacity. Where and how do i get these?

[severe axle]

is there a way to see quantities better? this is with max UI scale, barely just readable still

[crude finch]

So as we all know crafting is fucking expensive. So my question is how are you all funding the levelling of your skills? Are you selling stuff? Doing commissions? I’m struggling to fund my levelling so wouod love the tips you all have.

[worldly timber]

For me personally, i dont process anything under rare quality. I sell the things i dont need/want. Slowly but surely.

[fervent wind]

What purpose does it serve to require 7.5 minutes to smelt a single tin into a frag? and cost 20s ...

THEN it costs an additional 2 tin to make an ingot at 40s ... 60s and 20 minutes for a single ingot

and 15 minutes

[crude finch]

I HATE HATE HATE the multie cost of crafting. It feels so shit. If reagents like smouldering ash could be crafted I’d understand giving an option to buy them fast. But as long as they cannot be crafted I’d say just make the processing cost more and remove the middle step which just feels shit to be charged twice

[crude finch]

What’s the xp difference between the rarity’s for processing and crafting?

[primal torrent]

I think they want it to be frustrating in this way, the more time you put into a particular profession the more meaningful it will be in the long run, Star Wars Galaxies was like this when you think about the time it takes to master anyone profession. Its frustrating right now, but I like the way it is and I am sure I am in the very minority of people.

I have even complained about it here recently myself but the more I think about it this is what I and some have been asking for, for a very long time. Time will tell the story here.

[limber oyster]

I think it’s wrong to look at levels 0-10 as something that should be a long term investment. They should be the time you are experimenting with what you want to do and finding the things you enjoy. Right now the reagents especially are friction for frictions sake. Buying them off of venders does nothing interesting with the system right now. If there was a quest that then you unlocked a JM level reagent that modified the recipes in some way cool. Not as you are learning you need to go broke learning your first craft.

[worldly timber]

Sorry, i cant remember off the top of my head brother. My mining is lvl10 while my metal processing is about 5 or 6. So far i only crafted 1 rare dagger and heroic pickaxe (which i think is a total scam, because i dont feel any difference from the starting pa), and i haven't even reached lvl2 with weapon crafting. I only started a few days ago and made crafting to be my main focus

[barren flame]

If anyone on Shol is looking to buy epic willow, i have 15.

[ocean glacier]

My lumber jacking and mining are lvl 10. I have upgraded both to apprentice at the foreman, they both show as apprentice when I press P.

Game will not let me craft "apprentice lumberjacking axe" says, requires certification : apprentice lumberjacking, same for mining pickaxe.

Is there some other kind of certification I need?

[granite ingot]

you need apprentice in weaponsmithing. it’s pain and that system is so bad. very not solo friendly. the entire game is not solo friendly

[ocean glacier]

right... yea that's a lot. I've farmed the materials for an epic axe and pickaxe, leveld up the skills, but now I need to level something else. okey doke. I dont mind so much but the game really needs to do a better job at explaining things. People helping each other in Discord and global is the only reason this game is playable

[granite ingot]

From novice to apprentice is not a big deal but going higher than that will be heavy for a solo player. And yes the game is not telling much. it’s still alpha and a lot of stuff can change

[calm spoke]

Question for Carpenters, any tips for levelling currently?

[ocean glacier]

ill grind apprentice then find a crafters guild. thanks for your help. And in hindsight requiring apprentice weaponsmithing should have been obvious, didnt even see the cert existed!

[granite ingot]

you can better of ask if there is a weaponsmithing service. usually you hand over the materials to the guy and he craft what ever you need + 50s for the effort, i recommend that instead. ask in chat

[calm spoke]

Is there something wrong with crates at the moment? Im getitng errors when openning them

[pale bronze]

im crying over how many recipies are useless as a tailor

[ocean glacier]

maybe, keen to dive into crafting this phase didnt really touch it last time. If it's taking too long i'll go beg in chat, thx again

[drifting gust]

Bows are your best return on wood/exp, and I hear scrolls are strong. It would be nice if we had some profession gear but I haven't seen anyone selling any

[sweet elk]

carriages are no longer the best even with all the extra vendor mats?

[low mountain]

how do the crafting scrolls work? do i just keep using them while i have a craft going? or pop it before i claim the craft?

[torn fiber]

pop before placing the crafting order, not when you collect

[low mountain]

sweet!

[raw beacon]

when you complete a treasure hunt map and dig the crate, is it normal for the quest you receieve to not complete? you have to wait

for the quest to expire?

[low mountain]

and is xp reward based off size of craft? or flat rate

[sweet elk]

just abandon it after youve dug it before you pop the next map

[raw beacon]

thanks!

[analog mulch]

Anyone know where the crate crafting stations are located? I have seen one in hammer rest but not in any lvl 3 Settlement yet, are they only in the starting zones? Have anyone been to a harbor?

[past vessel]

what stage node allows people to build construction crates to deliver to it? is it 2 or 3?

[crude quartz]

Hello am I alone to not see apprentice learned recipes on apprentice bench (weapon smith) Only see auto learn recipes

[severe axle]

where can i do arcane engineering in the riverlands?

[crude finch]

winsted

same as everything else xD

[severe axle]

is village enough for that?

am on eu, not us

also, it lags so hard there i prefer the default crafting camps, also since I'm still questing around there and winstead is surrounded by enemies i need to carefully avoid

is there no non-player made station? Anvil has one, i think

[crude finch]

Right does it feel like to anyone else the “Craft timer” is just fucking wrong xD

Like I’m setting timers on my phone and they just don’t seem to line up. I’m assume it’s like tick issues and lag and stuff just wondering if anyone else has noticed?

[severe axle]

wait wtf are these guys on the way

[low mountain]

are the apprentice axes broken? i built an epic one, the speed is the same lumber drop is the same and even though it says durability is 234 it ticks 2x per tree instead of 1x with the crude axe.

[crude finch]

Maybe?

[low mountain]

making the durability +5 over the free starter axe

[crude finch]

BUT BIGGWR QUESTION, can someone test this for me to confirm it for but testing purpose. Go to craft somethig cheap in the arcane engineering table. But make sure you can craft a second one. Then before the timer finishes on the craft put recourses in for a second one. I think it deletes BOTH the recourses it took to craft and the next set you put in one of the tiles

[torn fiber]

Apprentice axes take more damage on non adult trees

[low mountain]

thanks, feel like it should maybe say that in the discription. but oh well

[torn fiber]

I think it does or at least it used to

[low mountain]

i think thats it, i appreciate it!

[astral sky]

Anyone else think there will be a point where they start selling bait that cost 8 copper to catch fish that sell for 5 copper?

[severe axle]

how many mats need to be of a quality for the item to follow?

like, someone said average but i tried slotting 10 green and 8 grey, and the result is still grey

[astral sky]

https://ashescodex.com/artisan/crafting-calculator?itemId=Gear_Artisan_Mining_Tool_Pickaxe_T2_0

[crude finch]

that is not the MOST accurate

[astral sky]

Do you have a more accurate crafting calculator?

[crude finch]

nope

just a warning so you know

[astral sky]

In the past, There were typically small rounding errors if you are on the edge between rarities. This phase it's been really odd, so the speculation is different materials are weighted differently. But it's still the best I know of

[crude finch]

ive been crafting a bunch of excevation kits and its been super off with that recipie in partuclar

[astral sky]

I've had some weird crafts this time around. I made a heroic wand that should have been solidly in the middle of rare

[crude finch]

im not a fan of the system atm, i think it should just make it super clear axactly what is gonna come out of the craft

[sweet elk]

thats a bug, it used to preview the rarity in the window

[crude finch]

like the whole animla crafting being a 50/50 between mount and beast of burden is DUMB

[astral sky]

As far as I know that has always been a thing

[crude finch]

a stupid thing xD

With the costs being so high and the importance of mounts being so high and its prety hard to get some animals to use

[astral sky]

Econ as a whole has been bad since the tail end of phase 2. 2.5 was absolutely horrendous and this phase is seemingly just as bad

[crude finch]

its pretty bad rn, people are selling common copper for like 13s oin the market xD

Common apprentice tools going for over a G

its ridicouls

[astral sky]

Yeah, the crafting cost to make them is kind of the issue. Like the reagents and crafting cost to make an apprentice fishing pole is closeish to a gold

The tin ingot alone is stupid expensive to craft

[drifting gust]

I wish levelling up made your stats better

[crude finch]

same

we need a artisan skill tree

[magic ruin]

when you need 100+ fragments and every Processing costing 45 copper

[crude finch]

yup we need a discoubt for bulk crafting

[severe axle]

instead we get a markup for doing it in bulk in a node, lol

also, it's just needlessly complicated. Why have materials i have to buy at a vendor and a gold cost for crafting itself? Want crafting to be a money sink for balance? Just add the cost for the vendor stuff at the crafting table directly. Want authenticity and realism? Increase the price of the items and drop the cost at the table. Splitting it is just a confusing mess.

[low mountain]

Is there a secret to hunting? Like a way to get them to spawn?

[sweet elk]

youll likely have node buffs and 9% taxes in the nodes soon enough

[crude finch]

i may do a political assassination if the mayor dosent xD

[crude finch]

uive been saying this

[mint barn]

Yes and no. Some mobs have certain spawns and they only spawn there. There are some areas with some mobs like grems, ravens, and deers where if there's a while bunch of them constantly spawning, some will turn into huntable. There are some areas near the Riverlands spawns like this.

[royal mirage]

I think the gathering system needs adjustment

[crude finch]

how you do that?

share 😉

[worldly timber]

Dang, whats your secret?

[civic trout]

thats in winstead?

yea i think its need to be changed

[primal torrent]

I love the crafting struggle but I am the minority

Don't worry intrepid will probably cave to the whiners like most studios

[royal mirage]

it's only fun in a tragic sorta way

server restarted, so I could gather them all again

[nova remnant]

Static rarity is so ass, we are past the point of fixing the damage done too. Thought we were getting the gathering update in may to fix this stuff

expect legendary weapons as soon as the benches unlock. a resource thats supposed to be like 1/1000, now you get hundreds of no problem

[royal mirage]

I completely agree, They should just do away with the whole static resource spawn system. We are only apprentice/journeyman, and we are getting this much rarity, and we have master level and grand master level to go.

[limber oyster]

the delay for phase 3 was supposed to be a big artisan update and it was, it just missed the mark by quite a bit

[royal mirage]

the gathering rarity of Hunting and Fishing is actually fine as it is now, we won't start seeing higher level of rarity until people get good journeyman gear. so it makes sense to get better gear for that.

but for the static resources... why bother making better gathing gear for those?

heck I'm running around with a white novice axe, and get this.

its like you invalidate half the reason for the gathering profession

[low mountain]

what is the quest to get the 2 other big bags early on?

[novel delta]

you do realise that hunting rarity makes impossible to craft anything over rare for leatherworking? and it was reported for year already

[nova remnant]

Be nice if everything else was brought in line. One way or the other. Ideally down. I’d rather “heroic” be really good and “rare” to be kind of the norm. Rather than Legendary being this common

[woven stone]

Steven said that, after the Labor Day reset fiasco, they had temporarily reverted the artisan fix. However, after the next patch update, they will reintroduce the removal of static nodes.

Though…too little too late at this point

[nova remnant]

Be funny if everything above heroic (crafts included) got brought down to that level. With extra mats provided based on how much of that persons mats or storage got nuked. But no way they do that

[novel delta]

well you guys dont even realise how much mats needed for JM bis items, that oak inventory is like 1/4 of good Jm item craft in terms of oak and u need many things besides oak

and its just cluster of oak. clusters were supposed to be all same rarity, he just hit jackpot

[opaque phoenix]

Are trade certifications only down in Riverlands at the POIs?

[atomic mural]

Yes. Are you in Anvils?

[royal mirage]

Journeyman can get heroic/epic from time to time. even the super rare legendary. And once we have access to master and grand master gathering, this will increase. steve said he wants this to be a long grind, then why hand people left and right without any effort.

[opaque phoenix]

I'll just start gathering my ingredients for a new spellbook on the way on my 7 hour journey south to the Apprentice Herbalism and Lumber certs

[novel delta]

Well then cut down all FULL item drops before that change. Because if u wanna gut crafting even more, noone will do it since, you can get easy drops

[burnt parrot]

They need to either heavily reduce processing costs + secondary reagent costs or do away with secondary reagents for some stuf because Holy fuck it's added such an arbitrary cost

The amount it costs to process and craft stuff far outweighs the rate of getting glint

[neat furnace]

cannot even craft the level 10 leather, so the grind is a complete waste. just farm drops

[frosty kindle]

static rarity + luckformula is bad, those both needs adjustment, the idea that they tried (and failed miserably) was good direction but not fully solve the issues in my opinion

of course there is also gathering skill trees which are still missing so im not sure how much changes are good to make now when there is still one big component missing

[supple bramble]

Anyone seen issues with crafting Leatherworker Sanctus Sulker apprentice set? I have all resources and level 11. The craft button is grayed out and says insufficent resources even though everything is there... and yes I have the silver too for crafting.

[primal torrent]

1225 ash wood for a journeyman 🏹 I ain't worried about a saturated market

[primal torrent]

Are you RP walking? Even the starter mount can get you there within 10 min anywhere in the Riverlands

[primal torrent]

I wish they'd just get rid of rarity and instead give stats to gathered materials. Similar to how SWG gave stats to materials that determined its quality. Only an experienced crafter with an understanding of the system would be able to identify good quality materials. The boring oh this is legendary is kinda half baked, and simple minded.

[unreal parcel]

Getting Apprentice seems to be quiet expensive, solely due to that refining costs..

[unreal parcel]

Game is focussed now on zerg guilds funneling money to the crafters

Purely crafting and refining costs would cost me 80gold to get apprentice

Its so contrary, Steven talks all day about zergs not being a huge thing, or atleast balanced

Now you have a cartel of crafters who got fed by 50 peoples money

[hexed canopy]

This is crearly just the first iteration.
It's not like processing costs were this bad before.

They really rushed this econ rework.. most of the recipes are bugged, refining costs are insane, static rarity is back, etc.

Highly doubt it's intended based on how broken everything else is.

[unreal parcel]

Well Tyrol, but they dont intend to wipe until Beta

So how do they test more iterations of economy changes?

[hexed canopy]

You know that's not true but if they told us that they are wiping a lot of people would stop playing.
They even said they might launch a new server on Nov, which is equivalent to a wipe.

Nobody will stay on old servers.

[unreal parcel]

They had prephase 1, phase 1, phase 2, phase 2.5
And even in phase 3 economy is as bad as always, in a different light

[unreal parcel]

Im coping for wipes. I love wipes :)

[orchid trout]

why does it cost 35.95 SILVER to make 1 tin ingot... what the fuckkk

[hexed canopy]

I expect a wipe every 6 months, if not more frequently

[unreal parcel]

HI FINNY! Go into a zerg alliance of 200 ppl if you want to craft!

[orchid trout]

did this with about 10 gold

but wtfff

[primal torrent]

Run crates and you will be able to level your crafting

[unreal parcel]

need more, make it optional so crybabies wont die of the shock seeing a forced wipe

Prob 3 months wipe would be decent
Also would attract players who didnt play phase 3

[hexed canopy]

At least it's bad in a different way, seems like the random deadlines they say months out in advance are rly bad for progress.
They clearly weren't even remotely ready with the reworks but they had to release them because the managers said they can't delay Phase 3 a 4th time.

[orchid trout]

how do you do that ?

[hexed canopy]

That's what we're getting with November I think

[unreal parcel]

agree

[primal torrent]

Find someone in game to show you tbh

[unreal parcel]

No way, how and what did u craft

[hexed canopy]

If Steven stopped giving out dates more than 1 week in advance, we'd be so much better off.
Sure I don't think we'd have gotten P3 until October, but it'd have been in a much less broken, more intended state.

[primal torrent]

Also do commissions for crafting XP scrolls

[orchid trout]

the default shield, with crafting scrolls and then using deconstruction kits on the shields to get mats back

[unreal parcel]

i got 110 xp for a ring, needing 40.000xp makes it 360 crafts, with scroll maybe 300? or does it increase crazily more?

[primal torrent]

We're testing things are going to break

This isn't even as hard as I wish it was

[limber oyster]

I'd be fine with it being hard but it should ramp up to hard, novice should be easy as everyone has acess to it.

[unreal parcel]

The ramp up is not going as equal as leveling to lv 25 in 2 days
Crafting feels more like a chore and moneysink now instead of an opportunity to make money

[primal torrent]

The money comes later when you're done leveling

[unreal parcel]

What a good system for new players!

[orchid trout]

does it though ? just to make a journey tools is over 5 gold in just refininf

[unreal parcel]

spend 10 gold as newbie, sure

[orchid trout]

and hours and hours of refining time

[primal torrent]

Run a few crates you'll be apprentice soon I leveled carpentry in one day

[unreal parcel]

Noone tells how crates work

Gotta watch a vid

[limber oyster]

then spend 17 gold to get apprentice bags

[primal torrent]

Find the guy up by the mayor stuff, commodities vendor and read

Part of this is figuring stuff out bud plenty of other games to play that hold your hand

[hexed canopy]

I don't mind stuff breaking, all I'm saying is that Intrepid is really not helping themselves by enforcing these random deadlines.
Instead of just the managers saying "time's up, release whatever we have now, however incomplete it may be because we have a deadline to meet", they should have only released Phase 3 when the econ / crafting / stat / gearing reworks were in an intended state, because they are clearly not right now.

[unreal parcel]

gotcha ty

[primal torrent]

You're speculating

[hexed canopy]

True, I can't know for sure.

[limber oyster]

no Tryol is really not most people who played the PTR the week up were exactly saying it's not ready and to buggy

[hexed canopy]

That's just how it feels like to me and many others from the outside.
We might be completely wrong.

[primal torrent]

I accept that the system is not perfect but like the direction and understand this is an alpha test

[hexed canopy]

It's far from "not perfect"...
most of the anvil recipes are bugged, the refining costs are insane, reagents are also insane and there is no reason for them other than taking up bag space, static rarity is broken again.
Even though I like the direction overall, crafting has never been in a more broken state IMO.

[primal torrent]

I felt the same way on the ptr even complained a bit about it. But I have come full circle and like the direction it's heading

[hexed canopy]

I also like the direction.

[limber oyster]

recipes in the riverlands are broken

some don't even actual get used and enter your recipe book

[primal torrent]

It's hard to get accurate data on a ptr this environment is ideal

They literally invited Every alpha key holder to ptr nobody showed up so guess what PTR is now phase 3

[hexed canopy]

That's true, but I think it's clear to see that this version of the game was really really rushed.
Props to the server team because average peformance is a huge improvement from previous phases which made the launch experience itself smoother.
But other than, almost everything around crafting and econ is broken, and I don't mean "just buggy".

anyways, i wish they'd have given themeselves a bit more time to get the reworks in a better state, that's all I'm saying

[primal torrent]

This is the best phase we've had as crafters just wait you will see if you truly want to be a crafter and be successful that has to be your focus or you'll never keep up

[hexed canopy]

and how much better it could be if things weren't completely broken

I also like the direction, but this was super rushed, this really is PTR on the live servers

[limber oyster]

I'm going to say disagree with you on this is the best state for crafters

[primal torrent]

I played for 21 hours just to level carpentry from 3 to 9 and will finish it when I get home from work

[primal torrent]

Depends on what you want crafting to be I want it to be as difficult as SWG and it's not even close

[unreal parcel]

It should be difficult, but leveling is too easy compared to crafting system

[limber oyster]

like I said earlier I want a ramp up to difficulty the fact that just novice is this expensive and this many steps is wildly over tuned

[primal torrent]

I've done very little grinding of XP I've spammed gathering commissions and chopping trees and processing trees for my XP, the only downside is weapon skills but I am level 15 and work 4 days a week

It's just a week in people relax

[limber oyster]

They added a whole tier identity to crafting and the way they could have used it to make crating step by step a learning process would be a whole lot better route then what we currently have

[fathom gulch]

That's how most of the generic mmo clones out there work. Rush to max level in a week and then slot machine crafting for endless ✨endgame✨.
That's a terrible idea for a game that's fully reliant on player developed nodes though. Crafting needs to be relevant from the start and every step of the way for the node system to make any sense. Therefore it needs to be fun and rewarding from the start. In balance with other activities a player could be doing.

It very very much isn't right now, with what I assume to be poorly thought up placeholder numbers. Thankfully they are looking to hire an economy designer so.

Oh and let me just preemptively say that there's a huuuuge difference between "making bank" and a black void you pour all your time, money, resources and the kitchen sink in for 100xp and 40 copper 😉

[primal torrent]

I grinded some level 5 mobs for recipes at level 11 and should have just skipped it because who cares about gear below level 10 anyway

[unreal parcel]

New players care for gear below 10

New player experience is most important for any mmo

[primal torrent]

You will never stop XP grinding so all you can do is respond by finding a way to grind your profession

[primal torrent]

Depends on the type of player you are trying to attract to your game.

[unreal parcel]

Not sure if ashes wants to attract brainless speedlv to 25 players, bc crafting is bad

bc thats meta rn

[primal torrent]

Crafting is not bad it's a work in progress, players are bad and entitled and can't work through their problems without blaming someone else.

Best crafting philosophy I have seen in over 2 decades in an MMO

[limber oyster]

no crafting is pretty bad right now, you liking it doesn't mean it's good.
The need to actually figure out how they want gold to circulate in the economy. I've never seen a game where the weapon smith dumps 3-4 times the materials to fund what it takes to make a weapon

[primal torrent]

Anyway the answer to the Problem is there you just have to figure out how to navigate it, having friends willing to help also helps. Run crates like me if you don't have people to help you like me.

[primal torrent]

You thinking it's bad doesn't make it bad what are you trying to tell me?

[primal torrent]

Seems you never played SWG or Eve then

[fathom gulch]

If you make a system where it is possible to grind to max level in a week then people will do that yes. If that's not desirable, you make a system where that's physically impossible. 🤷🏻‍♂️
If you want generic you go route A. If you want a more unique game with naturally developing player nodes you should go route B.

[primal torrent]

Anyway at work so gotta run good talk now take charge of yourselves and win

[limber oyster]

I have not but I have talked to a lot of eve players and they aren't impressed with the current crafting

[primal torrent]

Because it's not they're correct, there's things in Eve like schematic research, that has an effect on the material cost of the item, limited original copies of items, that can then be copied, but those copies have limited runs and will eventually be destroyed. Meaning you have to find or buy another copy before you can craft it again or hope you are the lucky one that has the original.

The only thing like eve really is the material cost that's the only thing I like about this version of crafting and I hope it stays.

Im suggesting it gets even more difficult with similar systems to the examples above, instead of just right clicking and learning a recipe.

[compact shore]

Whats the fastest way to level Carpentry? just spam the caravans?

[primal torrent]

Give stats to materials like in SWG instead of grades like legendary and rare, put research into a times system for a schematic before you craft it to increase the quality but that schematic will eventually fade and be destroyed depending on how long you research it before crafting.

[primal torrent]

Yes

Give bards the ability to buff you with a luck stat to crafting it's all there in the history of good games with good crafting that's what I am disappointed about.

They're taking the wow system and increasing cost and materials instead of looking at the better systems already in games like eve and SWG and improving upon them and fitting them into a fantasy game. That is the frustration I have. But I am glad they did something

[limber oyster]

I don't have a problem with complexity, actually would prefer it, I have a problem with it starting this complex. As for the material numbers I feel like they could do something like a tree gives 5 timber after processing to get the same material amounts. They could mess with the numbers like maybe adult trees only give 3 logs now so you'd get 9 timber out of one. the eventual point being they could increase the materials after processing so when bulk crafting you might need to use a caravan for transport between nodes. there are interesting things they could do to use big material amounts. But they need to fix a whole forest to make one bow

[primal torrent]

I disagree with your first part there needs to be some difficulties from the start crafting should be a way to play the game not a side after thought. I want people to hate that part of the he game so I have a meaningful game play loop.

[vale cargo]

this isnt max lvl

[crude finch]

I also like complexity in crafting but my issues atm is that the cost to craft is WAY WAY to high. with people only really buying mats and few things off the market actually getting the cash to craft on bulk is really hard. the TRIPLE tax of buying reagents, then paying to craft and then paying tax to sell on the market. it feels so shit

[primal torrent]

Also those people grinding to 25 are not doing it alone, so find a group that wants to grind crafting together

Or do it alone like me and just enjoy the journey

[crude finch]

also with gear drops being so good as far as im aware there is literally no point in crafting

in terms of being after the best gear

[primal torrent]

Run crates more than enough gold to level crafting

[crude finch]

what do you mean run creats? im still new nad none of this is explained xD

[primal torrent]

I'm ok with gear drops up to a certain point say level 20 after that it should only be crafting components like in SWG

[acoustic holly]

How much silver/gold do you get per crate run and how long do they take?

[primal torrent]

Depends on what you put into it

[crude finch]

where do you even take the crates?

[acoustic holly]

Give us your favorite crate type 🙂

[primal torrent]

I did an epic material one from Winstead to Joeva and was like a 1g 50s

[crude finch]

woah

tf

[acoustic holly]

And how much to start the crate?

[crude finch]

expline how we do this xD

[vale cargo]

google bro game explains this stuff

[crude finch]

The game does not explain this stuff

[primal torrent]

Go up to the mayor look for commodities guy and read

Also it only took 14 min to get to Joeva from Winstead at 50% speed

[acoustic holly]

Ok, will check it out soon, thanks

[primal torrent]

Rogue ftw

[acoustic holly]

Sounds too good to be true, 1.5 gold for 14 mins running. This game is usually stingy with gold

[primal torrent]

Adrenaline, dash, grapple, mount sprint dismiss grapple dash

It's possible cuzz I did it and that's not even faster than someone I know

It took 12 epic wood metal and 5 rare fish though if you just do rare it's like 88s

[vale cargo]

yea ppl are complaining because you cant pvp crates. so ppl are freely printing gold now.

its bad

[primal torrent]

I had 5 legendary zinc just to test but from now on just gonna do rare stuff 88s not bad

[acoustic holly]

If you have to gather the mats, you will spend forever getting them?

[crude finch]

with the nerf to mat rarity drop rate yeah farming anything decent takes AGES so this isnt free money so to speak

[acoustic holly]

Won’t waste time with them then

[crude finch]

the time investment is huge

[primal torrent]

Not really

[acoustic holly]

Thought it sounded to good to be true lol

[crude finch]

you will def make money from the sounds of it if your willing to put in the time

[primal torrent]

I'm not sure what type of game people think they are testing

[acoustic holly]

A game where the economy still needs a lot of work 🙂

Never has crafting been so expensive in a game

[crude finch]

I was under the imperssion I was testing a very grindy mmo where crafters were the kings of the game in terms of making the best gear and everyone would have to go through them. but with the mob drops being so good we are basically religated to only selling tools to other gatherers

[primal torrent]

It is true from a certain perspective also you need citizenship tickets to begin with

We're testing the balance is still being decided

Anyway boss is here so gotta run be home to grind some more trees in a few

[crude finch]

is it just me or is the drop rate for rare mats lower on trees than it is on ores?

[acoustic holly]

Say that again, the oak I just chopped down was legendary lol

[crude finch]

bruh xD

Wish i had that luck

ores im getting loads of rare mats

but trees seem to hate me atm

[fathom gulch]

Ofc it isn't, I didn't say that it was. The cap is currently at 25 and you get people at that cap in a week. If you used the same system but raised the cap to 50, you would still get players well above 25 in a week and probably a few at 50 for some ungodly reason.

As that's completely counter productive to the stated goals of this game, that will probably need to be changed and throttled in some way.

[acoustic holly]

I don’t get much, I am grinding lumbermilling and carpentry

So have got lots of common wood

[crude finch]

you can never stop players zerg leveling. the only thing you can do to hold them abck is restricting there acsess to gear

[fathom gulch]

The post I was replying to that they were replying to explained that you absolutely can.

In short: If you make a game where rushing to max is possible players will.
If you make one where they can't, they won't. The latter is more in line with what this game wants from nodes.

They'd be irrelevant otherwise.
Which would turn this game into a generic mmo that people will move on from within a month

[vale cargo]

i see no issue in people speed leveling to 50 in a week with several months of practice

[acoustic holly]

How much on average (gold wise) to get a craft to apprentice?

[crude finch]

ALOT

xD

[acoustic holly]

Thank you for the inspiration 😂

[crude finch]

People being high level isnt an issue its people having better gear than crafters can make faster than they can make it thast the issue

[vale cargo]

if your suggesting they gate leveling that will kill the game

[acoustic holly]

Most of the fast grinders will quit through boredom after a few weeks

[vale cargo]

not really

the fast grinders like myself are the pvpers

we've been playing for a year now

[crude finch]

It’s all abit gear control. Controlling the flow of gear in and out of the game is how you solve all these issues. Players pushing ahead, the economy, skill levelling.

I don’t think vendors should be able to repair Level 20 gear and above. Should have to go to players to rep that.

[royal mirage]

is there any information anywhere about what construction crates are needed for buildings?

[crude finch]

As far as I know you have to walk up to it to check

[royal mirage]

more if anyone had compiled the infomation? since the US Winstead have a mayor, he should be able to see its cost for buildings like stoneworks and smithy

[fathom gulch]

Yes, but dropping better gear was an ill conceived accomodation to adress lvl 25s running around in rags 😉

Hence why these all need to be much better balanced. And if nodes are to be the unique aspect of this game, or relevant at all, that balance needs to be centered on crafting as the backbone of the economy.

[crude finch]

Thats a giid thing imo, seeing level 25s with level 10 gear. thats how you balance them out. stop them from getting the best gear so they cant run away with the game

[vale cargo]

main issue is the obsession certain people in the community have with early game crafting. Its okay if early game crafting is done as much. But in the circumstance right now it isnt done at all. The solution is to reduce material costs and find other design to slow the progression of high rarity items. A bad solution would be to. (Remove all dropped loot). 2 (Gate player level with node level). 3 (Exponentially increase required experience to level again)

[crude finch]

im in favour of lower crafting costs both the mats and the gold cost. Im not saying remove all drops but at the very least link it to node level and nothing above uncommon,

[vale cargo]

that would be a step in the right direction for sure

[crude finch]

I plan on writing up a full google doc at the end of the year with my experiances and suggestions

[primal torrent]

That's why I say I am ok with gear drops up to a certain level maybe that level is 25 maybe it's 35 crafters can grind just like levelers in a group with the sole purpose of leveling each others crafting

Ok driving home

[fathom gulch]

That will kill a TYPE of game. If your only perspective is generic mmo, then yes, this game would be done. But it's not aiming to be a generic mmo, so it should stop trying to be one and be allowed to have its own identity.
Those hunting for generic mmos will move on to the next one in no time anyway.

This can all be balanced to be fun for crafters and adventures and pvpers alike, but if it's not balanced around node development it will just be generic trash.

[vale cargo]

im actually okay with high gold costs for crafting. But the higher cost should be rarity dependent. Making a tier 3 adept bow at Epic/Legendary should cost like 50g to craft. But the balance would be to reduce the raw material requirements. By not making so we need 600 fucking wood to make a bow

[crude finch]

You should never be able to get anything above an uncommon from gear drops. Ever. Unless it’s artifact from world bosses say

[vale cargo]

yeah. THIS type of game.

[crude finch]

For me there needs to be a bull craft discount. Cuz rn 35 copper PER WOOD on reagents and a further 30c PER WOOD on craft cost is fucking wild.

[vale cargo]

and what tf does "generic" mean in this concept. NOTHING about this game is themepark MMO. We dont even have instances lol

[crude finch]

The more you craft the cheaper it should be per unit

[vale cargo]

its such a strange criticism.

[crude finch]

Tbh I fucking hate instances xD

[vale cargo]

well again you can freely run crates right now. Its very easy to get started. This could make up that ammount very fast

[crude finch]

From what you guys are saying about it I just bloody might. Tho I will have to google how it works cuz I do not understand it

And I’ll still have to grind the mats

[vale cargo]

yea 12 of each and 5 carcass or fish

[ivory sierra]

Can any1 give me any advice for levelling jewellery?

The lvl0-10 stuff just doesn’t sell at all and only vendors for 5c ?
Does it get better once you hit Adept 10-20 jewellery ?

[crude finch]

I have never fished once xD is it cheap to buy?

[vale cargo]

yup its afk

[crude finch]

Economy is fucked tbh

I’m gonna pop to the shops rn to grab my supplies for the day to grind so I’ll look into it when I get back

[fathom gulch]

Part of the generic mmo brand is rush to max, endgame for a month and then move on.
Then a certain subset of less imaginative individuals go to new mmos and demand that exact same cycle there for some weird masochistic reason I can only guess at. Is it winning yet another game? Ticking it off and moving on?

Early game crafting is irrelevant if all you want is rush to endgame. But if this game wants player developed nodes being relevant, which generic mmos such as discussed don't, that can't be the loop. All stages will need to be and feel relevant.

[crude finch]

Also I’m not a fan of the “deconstruction kits” it should just be free for me to deconstruct what I make for some mats back

[fathom gulch]

Sadly they said they would probably have them eventually. Just not right now during testing/low player pop

[crude finch]

Instances aren’t the WORST thing in the world I just personally hate them. Obviously for raids and such in its on map zone that’s fine but say havubg one person see a city on fire and it be fine for the other. But shit imo xD

[glass elbow]

The reason it doesn't sell is because the market is one of the most user-unfriendly I have ever seen in a game. There is no visibility, the search is sketchy at best, and when you add in the fragmentation it just isn't worth the time for potential buyers to look for your goods. If the market was actually functional then people would absolutely buy your stuff, because a whole lot of people need it.

[limber oyster]

market is a place holder because we had nthing in p1

[lethal onyx]

isnt marketplaces also specific to zones

so like the ppl that need it most wont be able to get it

[glass elbow]

Yes, that's what I mean by fragmented.

[lethal onyx]

yeah

is there a list anywhere for most resource to exp efficient crafts are for 1-10

specifically asking for weaponcrafting

[limber oyster]

really just need to find the cheapest thing to make

[lethal onyx]

is it a flat rate per item

i think a more expensive item gives more exp, but im not sure if the ratio is worth it

its hard to math out when i dont have the gold to spend testing

[glass elbow]

Everyone needs tools just saying

[lethal onyx]

yeah but u cant craft apprentice tools til lvl 10

thats why im asking for leveling 1-10

[glass elbow]

No but the durability on initiate ones is meaningful

[lethal onyx]

true but its rarity based so idk

i dont have a bunch of rare copper to make them sell

10 per craft

[glass elbow]

If you did you should save it for apprentice anyway

[lethal onyx]

exactly

[crude finch]

But they don’t that’s the thing

The only people who need tools are gatherers and crafters

People who need gear don’t need tools cuz they will just go farm gear from mob drops

This is the issue

[lethal onyx]

i just want to know whats most exp efficient to resources, make a shit ton of commons and vendor them

[crude finch]

The artisans and the combat peeps are two separate groups that have no reason to interact currently